#rockbox 2008-05-19

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#rockbox log for 2008-05-19

00:00:11		Quit Rob2223 ()
00:01:11	biertrinken	hi
00:01:32	biertrinken	anyone here who is familiar with the ipod hardware ?
00:02:05	Bagder	just ask and you'll see
00:02:06	kugel	biertrinken: If that's your question. No you can't drink beer out of it
00:02:35	biertrinken	i am wondering if there is an unused io pin somewhere inside i may be able to use for triggering my camera
00:03:55	n1s	kugel: got it :) it isn't a gcc bug btw
00:04:12	kugel	Nice, tell me more
00:05:04	n1s	missing prototype, but since the extra warning options were not turned on in the makefile gcc didn't warn about that, but assumed it would return an int.
00:05:19	kugel	oh
00:05:21	n1s	so to get rid of one warning i had to turn on more warnings :)
00:05:29	kugel	hehe
00:05:33	kugel	that's ironic
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00:07:58	Spinaker	Hello people.
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00:09:36	Spinaker	Hello people.
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00:10:06	n1s	the fix will have to wait for tomorrow though, as it will probably break that standalone database building thing, now sleep
00:10:15	Spinaker	Anyone alive in here/
00:10:27	n1s	sor of
00:10:31	n1s	sort*
00:10:44	Spinaker	Hm
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00:11:08	n1s	Spinaker: if you have a question, just ask
00:11:49	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Still around?
00:11:53	Spinaker	No specific questions, just looking for a good on-topic chat, but apparently we're lacking.
00:12:10	n1s	it's in the middle of the night :)
00:12:33	Spinaker	It's 6PM here
00:12:42	soap	and chit-chat is off-topic here - try #rockbox-community
00:12:48	LambdaCalculus37	Spinaker: This is a tech-related channel for Rockbox. Keep it on-topic.
00:13:10	Spinaker	... Yes sir.
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00:17:07	kugel	He said he's looking for on-topic chat
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00:22:32	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: Yes
00:23:33	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Compiling the m200 sim still errors out due to lack of a keymap (which I'm going to try fixing).
00:23:38	LambdaCalculus37	Compiling a bootloader works.
00:23:56	linuxstb	I thought I committed a rough keymap...
00:24:21	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Still craps out, on both normal and sim builds.
00:24:51	LambdaCalculus37	I successfully compiled a bootloader, and have a "player.rom" file in my build folder.
00:24:52	linuxstb	Where? I think the codecs fail to build (due to lack of IRAM), but the main binary used to build IIRC
00:25:16	LambdaCalculus37	Let me try a normal build again and I'll pastebin the error.
00:25:48	linuxstb	Ah, I've been trying normal builds...
00:26:09	linuxstb	A little work is needed in uisimulator/ to add a new target.
00:26:23	LambdaCalculus37	What sort of work?
00:26:33	linuxstb	Fixing the errors/warnings...
00:26:38	linuxstb	;)
00:26:55	linuxstb	Basically, you'll need to UI bitmap, plus fix some SDL -> Rockbox button mappings
00:27:03	linuxstb	^add a UI bitmap
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00:27:35	LambdaCalculus37	I'll try to scan the front of my m200 then.
00:28:23	linuxstb	You'll then need to scale it so the LCD is 128x64 pixels in size
00:28:46	LambdaCalculus37	Okay. Hopefully my scanner will behave. :)
00:29:11	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Here's the entire output of make on the m200 normal build: http://pastebin.com/d69715334
00:29:16	LambdaCalculus37	I'll be back in a bit.
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00:41:21	Synergy6	Does rockbox have changelogs?
00:42:09	AceNik	synergy: you can come to know the updates from a particular SVN REVISION number
00:43:52	Synergy6	So if I want the changes from 17307 to 17577 on an Ipod Video 30G, I do what?
00:44:02	AceNik	linuxstb knows the code on that, you need to type a particular command with the revision number
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00:44:57	Synergy6	I presume the newest version is always the recommended?
00:45:14	AceNik	yes which player are you using ?
00:45:16	linuxstb	Synergy6: http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html
00:45:43	Synergy6	Ipod Video 30GB
00:45:48	Synergy6	Ta linuxstb
00:45:59	AceNik	linuxstb:i remember once you gave me some search command to show results between 2 revisions
00:47:15	linuxstb	Probably something like "svn log -r17307:17577"
00:47:24	linuxstb	But the webpage is nicer...
00:47:25	AceNik	ya
00:49:34	kugel	"chmod: changing permissions of `/home/diablo/share/rbdev/rockbox/sim/apps/codecs/wav.codec': Operation not permitted" ??
00:49:46	kugel	I get that error while compiling
00:50:01	Synergy6	Ooh, looks much nicer
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00:50:27	kugel	sudo'ing doesn't help :/
00:50:31	Horscht	kugel, sounds as if you don't have write access to that file
00:50:49	kugel	Horscht: I can do chmod to that files
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00:52:59	kugel	I updated my kernel today, might that be the reason?
00:53:35	AceNik	kugel: you compile in linux ?
00:53:43	Synergy6	Just noticed my Ipod case weighs more than the player
00:53:58	AceNik	lol
00:54:08	ia86x	hi,why my Ipod nano is slow?
00:54:15	kugel	AceNik: Ehm, yes?
00:54:22	ia86x	is it the build?
00:54:27	*	kugel thought that was obvious, sorry
00:55:37	AceNik	kugel: sorry i just inquired, ive not been able to understand how to set up a build environment in linux yet
00:55:48	AceNik	is it faster ?
00:55:59	kugel	way faster
00:56:03	AceNik	can i use the same source as windows ?
00:56:07	DerPapst	ways faster than cygwin for sure
00:56:10	DerPapst	yes
00:56:19	AceNik	also can i use VMware on linux ?
00:56:29	kugel	DerPapst: I also tried Virtualbox and colinux
00:56:31	DerPapst	guess so
00:56:39	DerPapst	i wanted to try colinux
00:56:44	AceNik	DerPast : i use VMware on windows
00:56:45	DerPapst	never did though
00:57:04	DerPapst	kugel: does colinux work good?
00:57:04	kugel	AceNik: You can use virtualbox in linux.
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00:57:14	kugel	DerPapst: not for me
00:57:27	DerPapst	did it work at all?
00:57:36	kugel	DerPapst: I didn't try colinux actually, but andlinux which is kinda based on that
00:57:40	AceNik	kugel: will i be able to use the same source im using in windows, like if i jus copy the whole directory structure
00:57:55	DerPapst	ah. and did that work at all? ;-)
00:58:07	kugel	DerPapst: yes
00:58:09	DerPapst	AceNik: yes
00:58:25	DerPapst	kugel: but slower or what was the problem?
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00:58:51	kugel	DerPapst: That, and networking
00:59:08	DerPapst	ah. good to know. then i don't bother :-P
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00:59:20	kugel	DerPapst: I've allways tried to use a share fat32 partition
00:59:48	Horscht	"tried"?
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01:00:14	kugel	Horscht: yes, I've pretty much given up trying anything but linux to compile
01:00:25	kugel	though I still use the fat32 partition :/
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01:00:58	AceNik	kugel: ok one more question since you mention that, can i acces the same 2GB virtual drive of rockbox's image ? on linux, also is it possible to reduce that 2GB image
01:01:37	kugel	the problem was, that when I used the partition from vbox/colinux, I got problems with the file stats (time specifically). and that makes gcc cry
01:02:10	AceNik	ok
01:02:23	kugel	AceNik: that wasn't the answer for your question
01:02:56	AceNik	ok ?
01:03:29	kugel	AceNik: I can't answer your question, I never used vmware
01:04:03	kugel	So, has anyone a idea for my problem?
01:04:12	AceNik	ill probably probe you afetr i follow the linux setup procedure againthanks kugel
01:04:28	kugel	AceNik: linux is a nice OS afterall.
01:04:29	*	LambdaCalculus37 is back
01:04:52	kugel	AceNik: Try ubuntu. The installation disk is also a livecd
01:04:54	AceNik	i know that for sure :), loads of potential always
01:05:13	AceNik	8.04 installed & thralled by it
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01:08:07	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Saw the pastebin?
01:08:09	kugel	Does anyone know why gcc/whatever can't change permissions of the codecs anymore?
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01:22:37	SeaWeed	hello all i have to say im new to ipod and also rock box but have to say great work on rockbox nice setup there
01:24:10	SeaWeed	i picked up 5th gen video used and had some hard drive issue but i took care of that with my debian system useing the ( dd ) command to zero the drive via usb conection and did not have to remove drive
01:24:41	Synergy6	Has there been a major UI update in the last month? If not, Rockbox Utility didn't install the UI correctly
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01:25:17	SeaWeed	but have a ? what file type or shall i say .mpg format will rockbox play
01:25:56	SeaWeed	i have imported a .mpg from my mythtv setup just as a test but rock box seem to try and play it but no video or audio
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01:26:42	Horscht	SeaWeed, check out http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
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01:26:55	SeaWeed	than you
01:27:27	pixelma	SeaWeed: but on a 5th gen Ipod you'll probably have more fun watching videos in the original firmware
01:28:13	SeaWeed	i have tested the video in that link above couple nites ago it played fine
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02:47:04	toffe82	I am a little lost in the code, I want to force the usb connection ON (without looking if something is connected) pressing a button and disconnect pressing another button
02:47:48	toffe82	I am looking the bootloader and the usb files but cannot really find, it is for the S
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03:06:58	jhMikeS	toffe82: You can try unconditionally returning true from usb_plugged and USB_INSERTED from usb_detect
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03:08:39	toffe82	jhMikeS: in the bootloader ?
03:09:32	jhMikeS	usb-imx31.c is used for both
03:10:51	jhMikeS	usb_plugged only used by the bootloader to tell if it should even attempt a connect (init drivers and such)
03:11:25	toffe82	ok
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03:13:02	toffe82	so if I replace the line in usb_plugged bu return true it should attempt to always connect ?
03:14:52	jhMikeS	it will then start the usb driver which should call usb_detect once it's started monitoring
03:18:19	toffe82	it doesn't work
03:18:40	jhMikeS	you changed both functions?
03:19:15	toffe82	no , sorry ;)
03:19:53	jhMikeS	why do you want to force a connect/
03:19:54	jhMikeS	?
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03:20:56	toffe82	because I have a S whith usb working only when you update the firmware, so I assume that the fuse for the usb detect is blown and
03:21:28	toffe82	I want to try to have the rockbocx bootloader working like in the update, to test
03:21:34	jhMikeS	OF detects a connection properly?
03:21:38	toffe82	no
03:22:09	toffe82	only the recovery because I think it doens't check if something is connected, it is just waiting for something
03:22:20	toffe82	in the OF no usb connect
03:22:22	jhMikeS	hmmm
03:23:42	toffe82	looking the block diagramm I think that there is a blown fuse on on the usb or a bad component
03:24:21	toffe82	I don't see any other reason to have the usb working in one case and not the other
03:24:23	jhMikeS	changing those two functions should make it expect packets
03:24:28	toffe82	ok
03:25:50	jhMikeS	The I/O connector seems to have a way around the 0.8A fuse there
03:27:46	toffe82	yes, I have to find it
03:28:42	jhMikeS	I wonder which of these various little "dots" on the PCB are the fuses
03:29:18	toffe82	working :)
03:30:40	jhMikeS	\o/
03:30:55	toffe82	ok , I load rockbox
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03:31:43	jhMikeS	but now you can't get out of the bootloader :)
03:31:49	toffe82	yes
03:31:58	toffe82	I have to reload a normal one
03:32:16	toffe82	it is the reason I want to do it with some button
03:33:04	jhMikeS	to force if a button is pushed?
03:34:43	toffe82	yes
03:34:54	toffe82	and disconnect when finish
03:35:13	jhMikeS	change usb_plugged to be return button_read_device() & BUTTON_XXX
03:35:34	jhMikeS	XXX = you preferred button
03:36:34	jhMikeS	hmmm, this has alot of steps
03:37:21	toffe82	file not found ???
03:37:27	toffe82	strange
03:37:49	jhMikeS	when loading RB?
03:37:58	toffe82	yes
03:38:12	toffe82	I copy it on the second partition
03:38:23	jhMikeS	you installed with sendfirm or with the updater/restore?
03:38:39	toffe82	sendfirm
03:39:36	jhMikeS	I think one way around that was just to reformat it clean.
03:40:16	toffe82	I am in a virtual machine, I don't think it is the problem, yesterday I did the same with my S60
03:40:54	toffe82	ok, I will try later, child time ;)
03:41:19	toffe82	thanks for all
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03:47:26	jhMikeS	toffe82: hold on, I made a patch
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03:48:43	jhMikeS	toffe82: push "DOWN" to force the connection wait and "UP" to leave usb (picked at random). http://rafb.net/p/Hm3COf30.html
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03:55:21	toffe82	ok, I try , just have to look how to apply a patch :0
03:56:59	jhMikeS	patch -p0 < patchfile from the source root directory
03:57:20	toffe82	ok
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04:14:38	toffe82	the virtual machine freeze :(
04:16:09	jhMikeS	?? it should be doing the same this that already worked
04:16:16	jhMikeS	s/this/thing/
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07:27:07	Llorean	Are image strips documented somewhere in the wiki?
07:32:22	JdGordon	the wps ones?
07:32:26	Llorean	Yes
07:33:18	JdGordon	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Images seems to be missing them
07:34:06	Llorean	Yeah, I was wondering if it maybe had its own page hidden away somewhere, or something. =/
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07:57:45	Llorean	pixelma: I seem to remember some talk where you could do a conditional, and just put the %xR in it, where R is an image with subimages, and it would expand it to use all its subimages (or if a finite conditional, as many subimages as there are conditions)?
07:59:09	pixelma	IIRC we agreed in the end that it wasn't wanted and I don't think it was implemented. It could be that someone (Nico_P I think) started working on it and put a patch on the tracker, not sure of the latter
07:59:19	Llorean	Ah, that must be it.
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08:17:22	JdGordon	pixelma: Llorean: iirc someone did actually implement it but was dropped anyway
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08:19:16	Llorean	JdGordon: Ah, okay.
08:19:29	JdGordon	I could of course be rmemebering it wrong
08:19:37	JdGordon	nico is definatly the person to talk to
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08:24:43	*	Llorean used to enjoy Sokoban.
08:25:34	pixelma	used to?
08:25:47	Llorean	I got stuck at one point, and never came back.
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08:31:01	pixelma	Llorean: btw... I've been told that a slider progressbar was the standard in the beginning and it was dropped in favour of a filling progressbar because it's easier to read. In the Archos WPS gallery you can still find old screenshots and compare
08:31:45	Llorean	pixelma: Well, I never said it couldn't be reinstated. Just that anyone wanting it to be should have a strong reasoning for it.
08:31:56	Llorean	I really think one could create a very acceptable looking slider with bitmap strips.
08:32:43	JdGordon	? slider just needs a background image and a block image to move... doesnt need strips at all
08:32:56	Llorean	JdGordon: You can't really move an image though.
08:32:57	pixelma	Llorean: yes, agreed (and I also agree on the decision earlier)
08:33:06	Llorean	Not unless you load a bunch of the same image in different positions.
08:33:15	JdGordon	?
08:33:38	Llorean	I'm confused.
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08:33:59	JdGordon	and I missed the earlier conversation...
08:34:06	Llorean	We're talking about a progress bar where a single image moves from one end to the other, rather than it filling.
08:34:19	Llorean	Since you can't actually move an image, you need multiple images with the block in different places.
08:34:23	JdGordon	yeah, ok, why does that needs an image strip?
08:34:28	pixelma	JdGordon: Llorean is right, you can't simply move a image
08:34:37	JdGordon	ah, ok
08:34:45	JdGordon	the "correct" way to do that would be with a new tag
08:34:45	Llorean	That's actually a pretty significant limitation of WPSes, in a way. Images are loaded for a specific location.
08:34:49	pixelma	with current WPS syntax
08:35:21	JdGordon	well, apart from that, would you ever want to move an image?
08:35:27	Llorean	But for a moving block in a strip, I'd actually use multiple %px conditionals and quite small strips that sort-of repeat, rather than one large strip, to save image space.
08:35:35	Llorean	JdGordon: That's more or less the only reason, I think.
08:35:58	pixelma	JdGordon: there even is/was a patch in the tracker. I don't need it though, I also find a filling on better readable
08:35:58	JdGordon	then wouldnt it be better to implement that as a seperate tag? I'm 99% sure there is a patch for that already
08:36:51	Llorean	It's kinda redundant since you can already accomplish it with %px though
08:38:07	JdGordon	fs#6505 - which has been closed
08:38:50	JdGordon	%px is the progress bar image? how would you acompluish it with that?
08:39:03	Llorean	%px is a conditional for progress bar percent.
08:39:37	pixelma	Llorean: for a "smoother" look when you go try it with %px you could probably use few bitmap strips (maybe even the same) loaded at different positions
08:39:44	JdGordon	so you couldnt have it sliding smoothly
08:39:47	Llorean	pixelma: Exactly what I was thinking.
08:40:05	Llorean	JdGordon: You could have it moving at 1pixel/% for smaller ones, and at worst (largest screens we have) 2.4 pixels/%, still quite smooth
08:40:17	Llorean	Well, perhaps 3.2
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08:40:21	Llorean	Not quite as smooth
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08:41:09	Llorean	As it stands though, the existing solution allows you a "mostly" smooth slider. Or a filling hourglass. Or a cassette tape that slowly runs out. Much more flexibility.
08:42:01	*	Llorean is kinda disappointed he hasn't seen many clever uses of %px
08:43:45	JdGordon	because most users actualy care about listeing to music easily instead of pretty animations?
08:44:15	Llorean	I dunno, there seem to be a lot of people who just churn out WPSes all over the place
08:45:09	JdGordon	although, a tape running out would be pretty cool, in a retro sort of way :p
08:45:19	Llorean	I was thinking of that one WPS by PHK
08:45:30	Llorean	It's a cassette player, but it came before %px existed, I think
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10:20:25	advcomp2019	Krownkrew, just ask here and not in a pirvate message please
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10:21:38	Krownkrew	okay perfect thank you.
10:22:06	Krownkrew	Can anyone help me with my ipodpatcher.exe claiming ipod not found?
10:22:27	GodEater	only if you have a supported ipod
10:22:33	GodEater	which model is it ?
10:22:40	Krownkrew	i have an ipod classic 80Gb.
10:22:52	GodEater	then there's nothing we can do
10:22:55	LinusN	sorry, the classic is not supported
10:22:56	GodEater	since that's not supported
10:23:11	Krownkrew	so the program isnt available for it?
10:23:15	LinusN	no
10:23:17	GodEater	correct
10:23:42	Krownkrew	Okay any other programs similair that may be supported. Im very bored of my ipod as is.
10:23:48	GodEater	none that we know of
10:24:00	*	linuxstb points Krownkrew to ebay
10:24:18	GodEater	...and the list of supported players on the front page at www.rockbox.org
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10:24:56	Acheron	Ive been trying to get album art to show up for the past 3 hours, no luck, ARGH could someone help me out?
10:25:01	Krownkrew	Haha....I need my ipod and need its size. any other suggestions.....and i know. i thought it to be the 5th gen 60/80.
10:26:02	JdGordon	Acheron: embedded AA?
10:26:08	Acheron	ive got r17580 and im using the latest versions of the themes as well
10:26:16	Acheron	embedded?
10:26:32	JdGordon	in the id3 tags? or you have cover.bmp set up?
10:26:45	Acheron	ive got 100x100 .bmps sitting in the folders called cover.bmp
10:27:12	Krownkrew	....Any other changes to classic ipod i can do?
10:27:53	Acheron	its very very confusing. theres patches, patched WPSs, or releases that have them already, custom builds, its insane. is there no simple up to date guide on how to do this?
10:27:58	B4gder	Krownkrew: you can paint it! ;-P
10:28:16	Llorean	Acheron: Use an official build, and follow the instructions in the AlbumArt wiki page.
10:28:37	Llorean	Acheron: You can blame hundreds of enthusiastic users for the custom build / patched WPS insanity, we have no control over that.
10:28:48	Acheron	damned open source code monkies, if rockbox wasnt so good I'd boycott the lot of you :P
10:29:26	Krownkrew	B4gder: Haha VERY funny....I just wanna change it up. i have had three covers for this damn thing and every time its gets stolen.
10:29:28	B4gder	if you stick to info on rockbox.org only, it shouldn't be that confusing
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10:29:57	Llorean	B4gder: Well, there's all the themes that require unsupported builds in the wiki.
10:30:00	JdGordon	Acheron: (1) there is only 1 build we support which has AA al ready to go, (2) the manual is nice and handy (3) I dont know how to fix your actual problem
10:30:07	B4gder	ah true
10:30:21	Llorean	Though at least a solution to that confusion is planned.
10:30:29	Acheron	which build is that?
10:30:40	Llorean	Acheron: The official one...
10:30:52	Acheron	r17580?
10:30:58	Acheron	its the one im using atm
10:31:30	Acheron	there is nothing in the manual about album art, i looked.
10:31:36	Krownkrew	B4gder: Any ideas....i want to freshen up logos. menus ect.
10:31:50	Llorean	Acheron: Try the AlbumArt wiki page.
10:31:54	B4gder	Krownkrew: there's no way at all with your model
10:31:55	Acheron	i just tried looking it up on the wiki, but couldnt find it. search didnt pull up anything. Although im sure there is a page, Ive seen it before
10:32:15	Acheron	goes on about %CI
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10:32:20	GodEater	Acheron, Llorean just told you the name of the page, just put it in the "Go" box
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10:32:58	Acheron	oh lol, search is case sensitive?
10:33:05	Acheron	nice touch
10:33:19	GodEater	that's not a search box
10:33:31	Krownkrew	B4gder: I have heard of other ways to change logos and fonts. Is this possible on mine and if so to what degree can i change things.
10:34:00	GodEater	Krownkrew: we already said, there's no way to change anything on the classic.
10:34:11	B4gder	Krownkrew: if you've heard of it for the classic then please show me where/how and I'll tell you they're lying or they did the one thing nobody else has done
10:34:27	Acheron	yes, i tried editing my wps with no success. any chance someone could email me one thats already edited?
10:34:42	Acheron	im using the stu theme now or w/e its called
10:35:02	Krownkrew	Whoah guys. lol i have just heard of it. im yet to look into it. i was simply wondering if its possible. or if its just talk.
10:35:27	B4gder	Krownkrew: it
10:35:32	B4gder	's just talk
10:35:35	Acheron	its called sta
10:35:54	B4gder	Krownkrew: nobody has yet "cracked" the classic encrypted approach
10:36:59	Krownkrew	okay perfect thank you B4gder. I will either have to tough it out OR look at downgrading. Is the fifth gen available in an 80 GB.
10:37:15	GodEater	yes
10:37:18	*	GodEater owns one
10:37:23	*	LinusN has one too
10:37:26	B4gder	we call that 5.5gen
10:37:54	*	gevaerts wonders if LinusN manages to keep track of where his ipod is all the time
10:38:02	LinusN	:-)
10:38:12	B4gder	the grand Linus' ipod rockbox world tour
10:39:25	Krownkrew	Any real difference between classic and 5.5 other then appearance
10:39:35	gevaerts	Yes, all the insides
10:40:01	Krownkrew	haha. to the average user. is there any differences. issues. so on and so on
10:40:09	JdGordon	Krownkrew: the better qeusntion is "is anything apart from the name the same"
10:40:13	GodEater	I have no idea, I've never seen a classic
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10:41:20	Acheron	my covers show up in pictureflow, thats as far as i got
10:41:48	Krownkrew	Haha fair enough JdGordon. Or how bout is there any lose or gain to downgradin to 5.5 from classic
10:41:53	JdGordon	Acheron: try renaming them to cover.100x100.bmp ?
10:42:15	linuxstb	Krownkrew: Of course - the 5.5 can run Rockbox...
10:42:18	GodEater	Krownkrew: none of us own Classics, for obvious reasons - so we're the wrong people to ask
10:42:37	JdGordon	Krownkrew: your asking the wrong people... we would all say to stay away from the classic, but most of us would usually stay away from ipod anyway (and only get one for rockbox)
10:43:04	Krownkrew	Well whats common among you then if not the ipod?
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10:43:16	linuxstb	Krownkrew: I'll give you one guess...
10:43:34	gevaerts	A desire to own a JBR ?
10:43:35	Acheron	@jdgordon no change
10:43:37	B4gder	Krownkrew: common among us is to have a handful players of various models
10:43:50	*	GodEater owns 5 currently
10:46:44	Acheron	just tell me where i need to insert the %Cl and %C tags in the wps
10:49:19	Krownkrew	Okay well I think i might have to tough it out with my ipod then lol. and live in dire hopes of a new rockbox.
10:51:34	GodEater	don't hold your breath
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10:54:38	Acheron	holy shit i did it
10:54:47	Acheron	wrong size and wrong co-ords but its there
10:54:50	Acheron	booyah motherfuckers
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10:56:03	scorche	Acheron: there is no need for that kind of language..
10:56:04	markun	:)
10:56:28	Acheron	yes there is, im afraid. this took me three hours to accomplish.
10:56:49	markun	Acheron: maybe you can help improve the info on how to do it a bit
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10:57:39	scorche	no, there isnt...please see the guidelines linked in the topic
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10:58:00	markun	Acheron: what was is that did the trick?
10:58:04	Acheron	well someone should definitely do something because I like to think im computer literate and if it took me this long to figure out I'd hate to think what it'd be like for a casual joe blog
10:59:02	linuxstb	Acheron: If everyone thinks "someone" should do it, it will never get done... We're all volunteers, contributing to Rockbox in our spare time.
10:59:06	Acheron	i dont know, actually. Amidst furious restarts and overwrites I have no idea what I did. I just RAGED at it.
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11:00:36	Acheron	i think it was a matter of editing the wps code properly
11:00:45	markun	yes, probably
11:01:34	Acheron	to someone who has minimal coding knowledge and no prior experience with the internal workings of rockbox that wiki page is rather perplexing
11:01:48	Acheron	in fact the whole thing is rather perplexing
11:06:35	linuxstb	Acheron: Did you try using the default Rockbox theme (cabbiev2) with your Album Art?
11:07:17	Acheron	yes, initially. no luck. i just got it working on sta.
11:08:15	Llorean	Acheron: So you're saying with an official "Current build", with completely cleared settings, reset to the default theme, having cover.bmp in the right place does not work?
11:10:21	Acheron	ive been using an older version. I upgraded to the latest daily.
11:10:44	Llorean	"daily" and "current" are two different things.
11:10:53	Llorean	One being a build updated daily, and the other being the actual current build.
11:11:43	Llorean	But that is irrelevant to my question, which was more or less a yes/no situation. Does album art work with the official build and default theme by simply placing the cover.bmp file in the right place?
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11:12:26	Acheron	no. I upgraded to the daily, placed cover.bmp in the folder, changed to default theme, nothing.
11:12:53	Llorean	I've explained already the daily is not the current build.
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11:18:27	Llorean	I put a 100x100 image named cover.bmp in the folder of the song I was last listening to, booted up my device with a freshly extracted current build, hit play to resume playback, and there it was, a horrible big red square with AA in it staring back at me.
11:18:33	B4gder	no big surprise there really
11:18:45	Llorean	Well you never know, it might've been broken.
11:19:02	B4gder	yeah, I just meant that his report and use was confused, to say the least
11:19:20	Llorean	Now to go delete that horrible image.
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13:05:47	J-23	Hi! I'm trying to compile Rockbox with http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/4755?getfile=16480, but I receive http://pastebin.com/d24741846. How can I fix it?
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14:47:16	JdGordon	anyone have any thoughts about how to turn the simulator into more of a target? (re saratogas gsoc)
14:48:20	B4gder	I think the first approach would be to make a target that uses an sdl lcd and sdl codec for sound etc
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14:49:35	B4gder	I'm not sure how to do with lcd size for that
14:49:55	B4gder	probably we could start with a fixed large-enough resolution
14:50:24	JdGordon	yeah, well it could still take the lcd size from the simluated targets config
14:50:36	B4gder	it's not a simulator then
14:50:42	B4gder	so there's no other target config
14:51:26	JdGordon	build a config customizer for it into configure maybe?
14:51:38	B4gder	yeah, that could be one way
14:52:09	B4gder	resizable lcd feels a bit too much to support
14:52:19	JdGordon	there still needs to be a way to say "this is a sim of blaa real target" which is different to "this is rockbox built for sdl"..
14:52:32	B4gder	yes
14:52:33	linuxstb	Shouldn't it simply be a target in its own right, so everything is defined in the target config-xxx.h ?
14:52:35	B4gder	we still need the sims
14:52:44	B4gder	linuxstb: yes I think so
14:53:27	B4gder	like config-sdl.h
14:54:16	linuxstb	I was thinking something more specific. The fact that it uses SDL for buttons and/or LCD should be a feature declared in the target config-xxx.h
14:54:22	JdGordon	I was going to say its only the lcd and buttons/keymaps which are diferent in each target, but I forgot you have al the app/ leve HAVE_xxx 's :(
14:54:33	B4gder	yeah, it should probably be modelspecific
14:54:54	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Morning! Did you see my pastebin from before?
14:55:07	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: Yes - that's just what I get when trying a normal build...
14:55:46	B4gder	sdl-lcd would just be the lcd driver of choice for that target
14:55:59	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: The bootloader builds correctly, but sim and normal don't.
14:56:22	JdGordon	the lcd is the easy bit imo... I'm more worried about the button/keymap system
14:56:46	JdGordon	for a plain sdl target that should be fine... but for a sim, it could be messy
14:56:46	B4gder	JdGordon: why so?
14:57:21	JdGordon	maybe not... hmmm
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15:01:07	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: Yes, I know. The normal build builds - but the plugins/codecs don't (IIRC).
15:02:02	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Can't we disable codec and plugin building for now on the m200 for now?
15:02:04	linuxstb	JdGordon, B4gder: I would imagine "lcd-sdl.c" just being another LCD driver in firmware/drivers/ - I wouldn't try and share the code with the sim.
15:02:09	kugel	Can anyone explain this to me? chmod: changing permissions of `/home/diablo/share/rbdev/rockbox/sim/apps/codecs/flac.codec': Operation not permitted
15:02:10	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: Yes, "make bin"...
15:02:19	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Right.
15:02:26	B4gder	yes, lcd-sdl.c should be a separate implementation
15:02:58	kugel	I get that compiling the sim
15:03:11	JdGordon	I was thinking more of moving code from uisimulator into firmare/target and wrapping the sim around that?
15:03:12	*	LambdaCalculus37 compiles with "make bin"
15:03:18	linuxstb	I would imagine the hard part being to interface Rockbox with the host OS's kernel functions - threading etc.
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15:03:43	B4gder	JdGordon: i think we shouldn't do that until we have things running and working, and then only do that if it still makes sense
15:03:44	linuxstb	JdGordon: I think that would just get messy. IMO we want a clean distinction between sims and target builds.
15:04:03	linuxstb	You will probably also want to build a Simulator version of SDL targets...
15:04:11	B4gder	yeps
15:04:15	JdGordon	righto
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15:06:29	LambdaCalculus37	m200 sim build still doesn't work (no button mapping), but normal build now works.
15:06:50	kugel	I can't compile the sim atm with that isse :/
15:07:02	kugel	issue*
15:07:19	linuxstb	kugel: Have you tried completely deleting your sim folder and trying again?
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15:08:23	kugel	linuxstb: doesn't work
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15:08:41	linuxstb	What doesn't work? Deleting or trying again?
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15:09:09	kugel	deleting works, but I get the error again
15:09:50	kugel	It worked until yesterday, I guess it's related to my kernel upgrade
15:10:23	*	gevaerts assumes that kugel does some things as root that he shouldn't
15:10:38	kugel	gevaerts: No, nothing as root
15:10:49	kugel	compiling as root doesn't work either
15:11:00	linuxstb	Is "/home/diablo/share/" a Windows share you are accessing from Linux?
15:11:05	markun	kugel: what if you try to change the permission manually?
15:11:18	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: "make bin" on m200 ended with the line "unsupported model: m200"... no rockbox.bin in my build folder.
15:11:23	kugel	linuxstb: That's correct, a fat32 partition, mounted with umask=007
15:11:48	linuxstb	Trying to chmod a FAT32 file doesn't sound feasible...
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15:12:16	kugel	markun: I can chmod the files (no error), although permissions doesn't change (since fat32 doesn't support that)
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15:12:50	kugel	linuxstb: I compiled the sim without problems the past half year
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15:13:36	kugel	I find it weird that I can chmod the files, but the building process not
15:13:48	kugel	even if I run make as root
15:14:14	*	kugel wonders why it tries to chmod anyway
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15:15:35	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: That's fine - it's probably just "scramble" not knowing about the m200. rockbox.bin is in apps/ in your build directory.
15:16:31	LambdaCalculus37	Found it. :)
15:16:46	*	LambdaCalculus37 gets out his m240
15:19:06	linuxstb	In theory you should be able to upload rockbox.bin with tcctool, but it crashes very early. There's still work to do (plus Rockbox unfairly expects a working ATA driver...)
15:20:14	kugel	So, no problem on an ext3 partition
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15:23:20	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Since I had read that the m240 doesn't have a recovery mode per se, how can I inject code using tcctool? Just connect via USB, run tcctool and upload rockbox.bin?
15:24:18	linuxstb	tcctool requires the device to be in "usb boot mode" (this is similar to the Manufacturing Mode on the earlier Sansas). Some devices (e.g. the Cowon D2) allow you to enter this mode with a button press, but I haven't found any button combination that does that on the m240.
15:24:57	linuxstb	So the trick is to remove the m240's NAND flash module (on a daughterboard). So the code in the CPU's boot ROM will then default to USB boot mode, because NAND boot mode fails.
15:25:19	linuxstb	Perfectly straightforward....
15:25:36	LambdaCalculus37	Better pop open my m240 then.
15:26:06	LambdaCalculus37	But first... let me read something I saw posted on the forum.
15:26:09	linuxstb	You don't need to completely open it, just pry it apart a little, and you can reach in and remove the flash.
15:27:15	preglow	my d2s flash seems to be completely broken...
15:27:25	LambdaCalculus37	preglow: :(
15:27:33	preglow	if i copy over all the music i want on it after a new install, it just messes up completely
15:27:43	preglow	shows 10000x of the same song and so on
15:27:52	preglow	fewer files seems to work
15:28:21	preglow	good reason to get rockbox working fast, i guess
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15:28:47	linuxstb	Makes it hard for you to test a NAND driver though, if your flash is corrupted in some way...
15:29:20	linuxstb	I assume you've gone through the recovery process (installing that "0" firmware) ?
15:29:34	preglow	hmm
15:29:38	preglow	usb mode shows it just fine
15:29:42	preglow	i guess it's a database bug
15:29:50	preglow	linuxstb: several times, with different firmware versions
15:31:01	preglow	i wonder why the system time craps itself each time i 0 update it
15:34:45	preglow	yeah, the sd card also doesn't work when this happens
15:34:50	preglow	so it's probably a db issue
15:35:56	preglow	hahaha, stellar. i tried again now, and all folders showed up as they should in music mode, then i scrolled to the bottom and scrolled back up, now all entries are identical
15:36:03	preglow	at least we're not the only ones with bugs
15:37:31	linuxstb	We don't get paid though... ;)
15:37:32	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: How'd you open the m200?
15:37:41	*	LambdaCalculus37 is having a wee bit of a time popping it open
15:38:26	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: There's one (I think) screw to remove - under the battery lid. You then just put a fingernail between the parts and prise apart.
15:38:55	linuxstb	Run your finger nail up and down the long side (both sides)
15:40:04	*	LambdaCalculus37 should keep an iPod opening tool handy for this next time :)
15:40:11	linuxstb	It takes a little violence, but mine has survived intact.
15:41:18	LambdaCalculus37	Ouch!
15:41:25	*	LambdaCalculus37 got poked by an edge
15:41:32	LambdaCalculus37	Got it open, though.
15:42:08	linuxstb	The flash is on the daughterboard at the opposite end to the usb/headphone sockets. Just prise it up...
15:42:18	LambdaCalculus37	I see it.
15:42:45	LambdaCalculus37	Give me a moment.
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15:45:33	LambdaCalculus37	Okay, got the daughterboard off.
15:46:52	linuxstb	You can leave the battery out BTW.
15:48:07	linuxstb	I think you use the "-c100" option with tcctool. I haven't got around to adding the m200.
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15:48:47	linuxstb	Or rather, "-d c100"
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15:57:20	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: "TCC device not found."
15:58:50	kugel	./checkwps.e200 *.wps doesn't work, does it?
15:59:57	kugel	it apparently checks a wps, but I don't know which
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16:00:02	gevaerts	Depends. If there is only one wps file it should work fine. If there are more, I don't know
16:00:46	LambdaCalculus37	dmesg sees a device.
16:01:08	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: Are you running tcctool as root?
16:01:28	kugel	gevaerts: It doesn't check every wps, which was my aim :)
16:01:30	LambdaCalculus37	D'oh! :P
16:01:37	LambdaCalculus37	Not running as root!
16:02:00	linuxstb	kugel: "for a in *.wps ; do ./checkwps.e200 "$a" ; done"
16:02:49	kugel	linuxstb: Thanks. having *.wps working would be nice though
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16:03:23	linuxstb	Feel free to implement it...
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16:07:14	*	LambdaCalculus37 is puzzled... why doesn't tcctool see his m200?
16:07:36	linuxstb	What OS are you using?
16:07:46	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Linux, of course. :)
16:07:51	LambdaCalculus37	Kubuntu 7.04.
16:08:05	linuxstb	What kernel? (uname -a)
16:08:27	LambdaCalculus37	2.6.20-16-generic.
16:08:38	linuxstb	I had problems on a Debian install - tcctool wouldn't see my DAX. It works fine on my Ubuntu laptop though (kernel 2.6.22)
16:09:08	linuxstb	What happens if you run "lsusb -vv" (as root) ?
16:09:44	linuxstb	The problem I had on Debian was that it lsusb would freeze, and return a timeout.
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16:10:34	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: I'll pastebin the results.
16:11:29	linuxstb	See my description here - http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20071021#13:13:01
16:12:11	LambdaCalculus37	http://pastebin.com/m4e3e0d53
16:13:31	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: I can't see any devices there...
16:14:08	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Let me try something. I did get tcctool for Windows earlier; maybe I could see something there?
16:14:30	linuxstb	What does "dmesg" display?
16:14:40	preglow	linuxstb: tcctool needs no driver on linux, no?
16:14:46	preglow	linuxstb: what kind of device does it present itself as, btw
16:14:46	preglow	?
16:14:49	linuxstb	preglow: Correct.
16:14:55	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Windows found a new device!
16:15:01	*	preglow wonders why it needs one for windows
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16:15:26	linuxstb	preglow: That's how Windows USB works - you can't have direct access to the usb hardware, you need to go via a driver.
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16:15:32	LambdaCalculus37	Ahh, crap... no administrative permissions... forgot. :(
16:16:05	linuxstb	preglow: Which is why libusb needs a special "libusb driver", linked to a specific pair of device IDs.
16:16:25	preglow	linuxstb: ah, i thought it was some kind of telechips driver
16:16:41	preglow	windows and usb annoys the crap out of me
16:16:47	linuxstb	Telechips probably have one, for their WIndows FW recovery tool.
16:16:50	LambdaCalculus37	preglow: Amen to that. :)
16:16:50	preglow	every time i connect something to a new usb port, i need a new driver install...
16:17:30	LambdaCalculus37	preglow: Even moving my mouse from one USB port to another makes Windows say "Found new Hardware Device". =/
16:17:37	LambdaCalculus37	But I digress.
16:17:53	LambdaCalculus37	I can't run tcctool here on my work PC because we have no admin rights.
16:18:56	*	linuxstb is glad that a real m200 install won't require anything like tcctool - just copy a .bin file to the FAT32 partition...
16:19:09	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: dmesg reports "new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 17" "configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice"
16:20:08	preglow	hows the ams soc work going, btw?
16:21:36	n1s	linuxstb: I found the cause of kugel's warning −− missing prototype makes gcc assume a function returns an int, however i don't know what way would be the cleanest to fix it...
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16:22:11	linuxstb	preglow: I haven't done anything Rockbox related since last weekend (8 days ago). I think we still need to work out the firmware file format in more detail - to be able to insert more than a few bytes of code...
16:22:20	linuxstb	n1s: Yes, I read that in the logs - good spot.
16:22:44	linuxstb	n1s: Is the problem that the prototype is just missing for checkwps?
16:23:18	n1s	linuxstb: plugin.h has the prototype but isn't included in wps_parser.c if __PCTOOL__ is defined
16:23:50	n1s	so we could include that and put the prototype at the top and #ifndef everything else...
16:23:55	n1s	but is it nice?
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16:24:30	linuxstb	Nothing is nice when trying to build parts of Rockbox independently...
16:25:30	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Have you ever gotten the VID/PID for the m200 in USB recovery mode?
16:25:56	preglow	linuxstb: tried asking ams, btw? they haven't been entirely unhelpful, after all
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16:27:04	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: They are the standard telechips pair - 0x140e:0xb021 (0xb011 for the tcc7801 devices - e.g. D2)
16:27:34	linuxstb	preglow: I don't know - I've just come to this relatively late... B4gder?
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16:27:51	linuxstb	preglow: It may just be Sansa's own format though...
16:27:53	Tatsh	dmesg says my ipod is being detected by the usb controller but the iPod won't restart and go into disk mode
16:28:05	linuxstb	s/Sansa/Sandisk/
16:28:10	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: That's the same VID/PID I have.
16:28:12	preglow	linuxstb: indeed, but at least they might shed some light on it
16:28:20	B4gder	exactly, we don't know who did this format
16:28:22	Tatsh	i've tried pulling the battery out, should i reflash the rockbox firmware?
16:28:34	LambdaCalculus37	Confirmed: my m240 is a v1.
16:28:43	B4gder	it could even be a third party, some tools/lib maker
16:28:50	linuxstb	Tatsh: It's a known problem that sometimes Rockbox won't reboot into disk mode. You just need to do it manually.
16:29:05	preglow	B4gder: sure, but it also makes sense to have an in-house format, like telechips
16:29:10	Tatsh	well i've restarted the thing a few times
16:29:11	preglow	and pp
16:29:16	B4gder	true
16:29:24	linuxstb	Tatsh: http://ipodlinux.org/Key_Combinations
16:29:26	Tatsh	it just goes into the menu and doesn't show the usb thing and reboot, should i force it with hold?
16:29:57	linuxstb	Tatsh: Yes, using hold to start the original Apple firmware, and then inserting USB will work as well.
16:30:32	Tatsh	well, that works but it's weird too
16:31:11	Tatsh	worth reflashing?
16:31:13	linuxstb	weird in what way?
16:31:29	Tatsh	my ipod has a problem with its battery anyway and i often reconnect it to get it working again
16:31:37	Tatsh	this might have something to do with this, not sure
16:32:16	Tatsh	it's weird in that it used to work, now it doesn't
16:32:44	linuxstb	what is "it" ?
16:33:11	Tatsh	detection of being connected to a computer, then rebooting into disk mode
16:33:25	Tatsh	okay now it works
16:33:29	Tatsh	so weird
16:33:32	linuxstb	Yes, I've already said that...
16:33:38	Tatsh	random, it is
16:33:50	linuxstb	It's a known problem that sometimes Rockbox won't reboot into disk mode."
16:33:51	gevaerts	Is your cable OK ?
16:33:59	Tatsh	my cable is fine, dmesg sees the ipod
16:34:05	Tatsh	whether it goes into disk mode or not
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16:35:43	linuxstb	You're welcome.
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16:44:13	kugel	n1s: Are you sure that fixes it? I still get the warning
16:44:33	n1s	kugel: it surely fixed it here
16:44:56	kugel	CC [SANSA_E200]
16:44:58	kugel	../../apps/gui/wps_parser.c: In function 'wps_data_load':
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16:45:05	kugel	building checkwps btw
16:45:36	n1s	kugel: i assume you svn updated and ran the cleanall.sh script before testing?
16:45:38	*	LambdaCalculus37 notices that the m200 VID/PID values aren't listed on the DeviceDetection page
16:45:55	kugel	n1s: right
16:46:10	kugel	n1s: Your assumption was right
16:46:35	n1s	well, that's just plain weird then
16:47:00	n1s	no crazy local changes?
16:49:12	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: I think it's a bit early for that...
16:49:13	kugel	n1s: No, but I just noticed it apparently didn't update plugin.h
16:49:30	kugel	n1s: it said updated to revision 17582 though
16:50:34	kugel	woops wait
16:51:19	kugel	facepalm I did svn up in the wrong tree :/
16:52:49	*	B4gder hands kugel the "I am a fool" badge
16:53:19	kugel	Thanks...
16:53:27	B4gder	glad to help! :-)
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16:56:34	kugel	Thank you all, I feel better now...
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17:01:43	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: I may have to wait till I get home and try running tcctool on my brother's laptop.
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17:15:39	kugel	linuxstb: I kinda don't know how to implement that without a shell script (the *.wps thing)
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17:16:28	kugel	But I made a "-h" and "−−help" option :)
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17:16:59	linuxstb	The shell will expand the .wps before starting checkwps - so typing "./checkwps .wps" is the same as typing "./checkwps file1.wps file2.wps .... filen.wps". So checkwps simply needs to iterate through all the arguments
17:17:12	linuxstb	(assuming you're running it in a Unix-like shell)
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17:17:24	kugel	ah, didn't know that
17:17:47	linuxstb	Try typing "echo *.wps" - that's exactly what happens for every command (not just echo)
17:17:54	kugel	I thought checkwps would receive that *.wps ;/
17:18:15	*	kugel is too unexperienced in shell stuff
17:19:01	kugel	$ echo .wps −−>.wps :)
17:19:35	J-23	what shell are you using? bash? sh (Bourne shell)?
17:19:40	linuxstb	That will happen if there are no .wps files... (but that behaviour can be changed). But we're getting off-topic.
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17:21:44	kugel	linuxstb: Ok, implemented :)
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17:32:12	kugel	linuxstb: Do you want to commit that straightaway or should I post it on the tracker?
17:33:31	linuxstb	kugel: I can't do it now...
17:33:37	kugel	ah ok
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17:43:31	Zero813	damn. just uninstalled rockbox to put ipod linux on to screw around, and i formatted my music off of it on accident
17:43:36	Zero813	and then the instaler died
17:43:44	Zero813	s i'm reinstlaling rockbox
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18:27:22	paulderol	good morning all. Question here about a sansa e260, with a whited out screen. is there a simple way to make rockbox simply start playing a shuffled root playlist upon startup?
18:28:11	linuxstb_	You could enable the "voice UI" (where Rockbox speaks to you)...
18:28:29	domonoky	paulderol: i dont know about autostarting a playlist, but you could use rockboxs voice interface..
18:29:22	paulderol	yeah, i've been looking at that, but yeah, i'm looking for some kind of startup script or something similar, so the functionality would be "power-on, auto-play, button functions"
18:29:52	linuxstb_	You can enable auto-resume in Rockbox, but that requires you to start it once manually...
18:29:54	paulderol	but it looks as though i'll have to get on with the voice interface, which could be fun on its own
18:30:01	bluebrother	you can resume playback upon start but there is no way to autostart a playlist
18:30:18	paulderol	well that's a good start gentlemen,
18:31:18	paulderol	okay so do you think re-arranging the menus so that the root.m3u playlist would be the first thing that the cursor situated would work?
18:31:37	paulderol	as in "power on, press play twice, carry on"
18:32:43	domonoky	if you set up the startupscreen to be the filebrowser, and rename the root.m3u to something like 0001root.m3u you have that.. :-)
18:33:11	bluebrother	but in that case you won't be able to resume playback.
18:33:48	bluebrother	resume playback upon start that is.
18:34:45	paulderol	that's pretty close though
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18:36:16	paulderol	you gentlemen have been very helpful, and i may return to celebrate success, given this problem looks rather common.
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18:49:41	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: On the SansaM200Port page, those scans of an m200 PCB doesn't match with mine at all. Perhaps, is that an earlier PCB revision that is shown?
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18:53:50	LambdaCalculus37	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/SansaM200Port/m240back.jpg
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19:09:41	Buschel	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16911.0 seems to be caused by trying to allocate more ram than is available
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19:27:57	crash91	what is "study mode" ? I just saw it on the MajorChanges page.
19:28:19	DerPapst	heh
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19:36:34	preglow	crash91: great name for a feature, isn't it? it changes prev/next buttons to skip within a file rather than change files
19:36:59	preglow	what that has to do with studying, i don't know
19:37:12	Buschel_	preglow: this mpc seek was quite crappy all the time
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19:37:21	preglow	Buschel: you mean the seek code?
19:37:31	Buschel	yes
19:37:36	preglow	in what way?
19:37:50	crash91	preglow: I was completely baffled....I had no idea how studying related to rockbox :)
19:38:11	preglow	crash91: i really want that feature changed, but i don't have the time for it myself
19:38:24	preglow	there should be another setting for what it does
19:38:25	Buschel	preglow: 1st) all files with >65536 frames allocated a buffer which was the size of %65536
19:38:36	preglow	Buschel: oh, you mean the seek buffer code?
19:38:46	preglow	i thought you meant the seeking code in general
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19:39:19	Buschel	preglow: 2nd) if this happens the seek buffer tries to skip 2 or more frames per buffer entry −− this never worked
19:39:26	Buschel	yes, seek buffer code
19:39:51	preglow	Buschel: btw, metadata/mpc.c still contains pre-sv7 code, you should remove it and make it return false for such streams
19:43:23	Buschel	found it
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19:44:32	preglow	Buschel: did you look at sv8 support yet, btw?
19:45:07	Buschel	preglow: i did try to compile into rockbox and failed −− then i switched to optimization again.
19:45:14	Buschel	preglow: so, short look only
19:48:14	Buschel	would it be areasonable solution to use the seek buffer for let's say 30 minutes and then switch to slow seeking?
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19:50:11	preglow	i'd rather have consistent behaviour
19:50:24	preglow	would it be hard to make the seek table skip entries on long files?
19:50:49	preglow	like it was meant to do, i mean
19:51:19	Buschel	right now (and before my changes) it will only seek properly for files which have a frame count which allows to allocate the full seek into ram. all other files will not properly seek at all
19:52:00	Buschel	at least i need to make some hotfix to get large files to play again
19:52:41	Buschel	i need to understand this code first
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20:00:13	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb_: What version is your m200's original firmware?
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20:00:52	linuxstb_	LambdaCalculus37: I can't remember... Why?
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20:04:26	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Actually, don't worry about the OF version now, there was no real reason other that just being curious. Did you see that I had mentioned the scan of the m200 PCB on the SansaM200Port page?
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20:05:13	LambdaCalculus37	Yours has the NAND on a daughterboard (as does mine), yet on the scans, I see no connection for the daugterboard, nor does it really look like the internal layout of my PCB.
20:05:42	LambdaCalculus37	Are these scans from an earlier PCB?
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20:15:15	linuxstb_	LambdaCalculus37: Looking at those scans, they seem to be the v2 m240 - there is no Telechips CPU, but a Sandisk branded chip instead. That wiki page is a mess though...
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20:17:42	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: I'll start doing some cleanup on the page, and I'll label those scans as "These may be the v2 model".
20:18:04	Bagder	the ams3525 in the sandisks are sandisk branded
20:20:10	advcomp2019	LambdaCalculus37, it is a v2 based.. if you look in the one corner it says "SANSA M200+ V4.1"
20:20:13	LambdaCalculus37	Bagder: So do you think those scans are indeed from the v2 m200s?
20:20:30	LambdaCalculus37	advcomp2019: Ah ha! So my hunch was correct! :)
20:21:38	LambdaCalculus37	Bagder: I noticed that the SansaM200Port page is parented by a user JoelBradshaw. Can we have the page moved so it's parented by Main instead?
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20:21:53	Bagder	will fix
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20:22:10	LambdaCalculus37	Thanks. :)
20:23:03	Bagder	done
20:23:30	linuxstb	Is there an m200v2 wiki page?
20:23:44	LambdaCalculus37	Yes, another user started one.
20:24:00	LambdaCalculus37	SansaM200V2.
20:24:13	linuxstb	Shouldn't that be SansaM200V2Port ?
20:24:31	linuxstb	And then we need to move those scans...
20:24:39	LambdaCalculus37	We could make the SansaM200Port page its parent.
20:25:00	LambdaCalculus37	IIRC MarcGuay linked the two pages together.
20:25:45	Bagder	imho "port" isn't really needed as part of the name
20:25:46	LambdaCalculus37	No, not MarcGuay.
20:26:07	linuxstb	Bagder: But that's the convention (and therefore the page I looked for...)
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20:26:08	LambdaCalculus37	Ahh... atomikpunk on the forums did it.
20:26:18	Bagder	hm, I guess you're right
20:26:27	Bagder	ok, I'll rename it
20:27:10	Bagder	done
20:27:28	linuxstb	Thanks. LambdaCalculus37 - are you going to move the scans?
20:28:30	LambdaCalculus37	Yeah.
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20:30:22	LambdaCalculus37	Now it looks like we'll be needing scans of a v1 board. :)
20:30:25	linuxstb	Bagder: Do you know if LinusN is in touch with his student? There doesn't seem to be much "community bonding" going on...
20:30:47	Bagder	not that I'm aware of
20:31:18	preglow	Buschel: good
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20:38:09	amiconn	Bagder: Yesterday I tried to rename a wiki page. Is there a reason why this function is blocked?
20:38:20	Bagder	I don't know
20:38:49	amiconn	I tried to rename PluginGrayscale to PluginGreyscale, as the plugin changed its name...
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20:39:46	Bagder	done now
20:41:32	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb and Bagder: All done.
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20:44:56	Bagder	is that TEA5767 remark valid for the v1 too?
20:45:05	Bagder	I saw it on the v2 scan
20:45:26	amiconn	thanks
20:45:35	LambdaCalculus37	Bagder: Not sure.
20:46:47	LambdaCalculus37	But the c100 has a TEA5767 in it as well.
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20:47:04	Bagder	popular little thing that
20:47:38	LambdaCalculus37	Indeed. :)
20:49:46	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Can you confirm if the radio is a TEA5767?
20:50:06	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: No, I haven't opened mine that far...
20:50:44	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: I can hardly make the front wiggle free enough to separate the plastic pieces, so I can't tell either.
20:51:22	linuxstb	More violence...
20:52:20	LambdaCalculus37	I'll use my iPod opening tools. :)
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22:36:59	peter_b	hi
22:37:17	krazykit	hi
22:37:38	peter_b	dpes anybody know if my g5 ipod has an unused gpio port somewhere which i could access somehow ?
22:38:09	scorche\|sh	what are you looking to do?
22:38:46	peter_b	want to uise the ipod as a remote for my camera
22:39:00	peter_b	all i need is to switch a simple tansistor
22:39:28	peter_b	could be a testpoint or something inside the ipod
22:39:35	peter_b	(dont mind the soldering)
22:40:41	scorche\|sh	if you dont mind soldering, why dont you just make your own remote switch?...i cant imagine it costing much if it is that simple
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22:41:40	gevaerts	I could easily be wrong, but I don't think that we know enough abiut the ipod hardware to be sure about any gpio port not being used
22:41:42	peter_b	id like to be able to control it with software
22:41:51	peter_b	for long time exposures
22:42:03	peter_b	and continous shooting
22:45:15	peter_b	i've seen the gpio states in the debug module
22:45:40	peter_b	but nobody knows where all these pins are connected to ?
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22:45:50	gevaerts	Apple probably knows.
22:46:21	peter_b	but i think they wont help me :-(
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22:47:48	scorche\|sh	thats a shame...
22:49:19	gevaerts	http://www.ipodlinux.org/Gpio seems to have a nice table. However, as I said before, not filled in probably means "unknown", not "unused"
22:50:11	*	gevaerts seems to remember that "accessory power" is switchable. Maybe that one could be used ?
22:51:21	peter_b	that would be easy
22:51:31	peter_b	as it is already on the dock connector
22:51:36	peter_b	ill look into this
22:51:37	peter_b	thx
22:51:44	gevaerts	have fun :)
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22:58:49	amiconn	peter_b, gevaerts: If a gpio pin is unused (probably several are, given the sheer number of gpio pins on PP502x), it would probably be impossible to connect it anywhere
22:58:53	peter_b	i just read in a pp5022 doc that that the usb controller can work in host mode
22:58:59	peter_b	anyone ever tried this ?
22:59:08	amiconn	The PP chips are BGA...
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22:59:30	peter_b	i know :-(
22:59:49	peter_b	that was why i was hoping for a test point or somitng
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22:59:54	gevaerts	Host mode requires a 5V supply to the usb connector. As far as we know the ipods don't have that
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23:01:48	peter_b	ok
23:02:19	peter_b	maybe we could help here with an external battery ...
23:02:26	peter_b	but thats a different problem
23:02:34	amiconn	Using the accessory power pin as an output signal should be possible, it's just not very fast, as it's not a simple gpio, but one of the PCF50605 dcdc outputs
23:03:40	peter_b	i dont need it fast
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23:03:59	peter_b	+- 100ms are more than enough
23:04:05	gevaerts	If you are creative you could also use line out for this. Just generate the right waveforms from a plugin
23:04:42	peter_b	i already thought of this
23:04:58	peter_b	but a simple gpio would be much simpler
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23:05:03	peter_b	if i can get one
23:06:19	bluebrother	you could connect a transistor to the backlight voltage
23:06:30	peter_b	is there any part of rockbox which uses the accessory power pin ?
23:06:45	bluebrother	no, only the setting somewhere.
23:07:04	peter_b	setting ?
23:07:22	bluebrother	there's a setting for the accessory power pin.
23:07:26	gevaerts	backlight could be a bad idea if you use it for photography
23:08:03	peter_b	isnt the backlight pwm controlled ?
23:09:21	obo	how about the piezo?
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23:09:33	gevaerts	Anyway, there is a function accessory_supply_set(bool) in the core. I guess you need to add that to the plugin api somehow though if you want to use it from there
23:09:57	bluebrother	the backlight is connected to a GPIO IIRC. The fading is done in software.
23:10:18	peter_b	now its getting intresting :-)
23:10:21	bluebrother	not 100% sure about the 5G though
23:10:44	peter_b	looks like i have to set up the toolchain now
23:10:53	*	gevaerts doesn't know anything about backlights but would not trust switching it on and off too often with really short intervals
23:12:09	peter_b	thx guys
23:12:28	peter_b	think i try the accessory power pin
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23:13:36	peter_b	is there a dev howto fo linux users somewhere ?
23:14:19	peter_b	looks like i need to get arm-elf-gcc
23:14:36	petur	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers
23:14:37	Bagder	peter_b: easy, run tools/rockboxdev.sh
23:15:02	bluebrother	or use the vmware image
23:15:27	petur	bluebrother: "... for linux users..."
23:15:37	peter_b	looks good
23:15:50	peter_b	(dont like vmware :-))
23:20:46	bluebrother	petur: you can still run a virtual linux on a linux box ;-)
23:20:51	amiconn	bluebrother: G5 has hardware pwm, and a "master" gpio switch for backlight
23:21:27	bluebrother	amiconn: thanks. I knew something was slightly different :D
23:21:36	amiconn	That master switch isn't very fast either. I think it switches an enable pin rather than the voltage itself
23:22:12	amiconn	The hardware pwm also has a somewhat unconventional programming method
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23:24:14	amiconn	gevaerts: Switching a LED backlight very quickly doesn't cause problems, but in case of the G5 (and nano) it's not that simple. That said, we do software pwm (for fading) _in addition_ to the hardware pwm, and it works great, except at the lowest hw pwm level
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23:31:03	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb_: Managed to use tcctool to load a rockbox.bin to my m240.
23:31:05	LambdaCalculus37	Albeit that I'm on a different laptop doing this. :)
23:32:21	Munkie	Um, the rockbox installer keeps telling me that no themes were found for my ipod 5th gen 30gig?
23:32:38	BigBambi	It is disabled for the video
23:32:44	BigBambi	Because of bandwidth issues
23:33:08	BigBambi	you can either go to the wiki, or (from memory) rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org
23:33:13	Munkie	oh ok.. ty
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23:33:58	Munkie	ok, but those are rar files i think, and when you un rar them, do they get all nicly organised in the right places on my ipod?
23:34:13	BigBambi	If they have been constructed properly
23:34:26	BigBambi	and I think they are zip, not rar
23:34:47	Munkie	ok.. i use winrar, so its the same for me
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23:46:06	Buschel	preglow: rework of mpc seek buffer is nearly done -> FS #9015
23:46:26	Buschel	should work now as it was thought to do
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23:46:57	*	petur wonders what's up with the two missing builds :/
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23:48:21	Buschel	good night all!
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23:50:02	christian	hi
23:50:09	christian	I just wounder whether its possible to transfer my playlists form amarok to rockbox?!
23:50:21	scorche\|sh	what format are they in?
23:50:21	LambdaCalculus37	If they're M3U, yes.
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23:50:26	Llorean	christian: Rockbox supports M3U and M3U8 playlists. As long as amarok can export them pointing to files on the device, all should be well.
23:51:21	christian	well I can save my playlists as m3u but they do not have relative paths...
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23:52:35	gevaerts	http://amarok.kde.org/en/node/201 seems to indicate that "recent" (i.e. less than 14 months old) versions do
23:52:49	christian	noone with amarok experience?
23:53:05	gevaerts	What version are you using ?
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23:54:13	christian	1.4.8 which is the second most up-to-date I think
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23:55:11	gevaerts	Maybe ask on #amarok ? Once you get relative paths out of it, everything should be fine for rockbox
23:55:18	LambdaCalculus37	A tiny teaser of Rockbox running on the Sansa m200: http://www.flickr.com/photos/26428579@N02/sets/72157605148657675/
23:56:11	christian	gevaerts: thx I'll have a look there!
23:56:38	*	gevaerts expects a "Ladies and gentlemen" mail any day now :)
23:57:33	LambdaCalculus37	gevaerts: Provided a NAND driver can be written that'll allow a less violent way of running custom code on the m200. :)
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23:58:09	bertrik	LambdaCalculus37: less violent?
23:58:11	gevaerts	You can always hardcode a (short) track :)
23:58:11	LambdaCalculus37	Right now it involves removing the NAND from the device and using tcctool to upload a rockbox.bin or player.rom file.
23:58:36	bertrik	ah I see
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23:58:53	bertrik	What's the problem writing a NAND driver?

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