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#rockbox log for 2008-05-20

00:00:18*LambdaCalculus37 decides to have something to eat... going to a show tonight
00:00:25LambdaCalculus37See everyone later!
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00:32:02*amiconn is somewhat puzzled about the iriver/iaudio remote lcd test results posted so far
00:33:48*amiconn will wait for a few more reports before
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00:51:38peter_bif anyone interested
00:51:56peter_btriggering my camera with the accessory supply pin works !
00:53:37*DerPapst wonders what logbot is doing there...
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01:02:03FS-8806please commit me :)
01:02:53*scorche|sh commits FS-8806 to the asylum
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01:09:54DerPapstheh... FS tasks do irc?
01:10:29scorche|shthe insane ones do...but dont worry, i committed him to the asylum
01:14:09Horschtdid you inform it's relatives, scorche|sh?
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01:49:43kugelThis FS-8806 brings me to an idea
01:49:54*scorche|sh runs
01:50:23kugelBut I rather don't dare ;)
01:51:15kugelbut actually, I'd like to have 3 patches of mine committed, 2 of them are tiny ones
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01:55:01*DerPapst waves ;-)
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02:26:21LloreanDoes it seem feasible to run a buildserver on a windows system under coLinux or andlinux or something like that?
02:27:32*Llorean doesn't see any obvious reasons why not, but also doesn't know enough about this stuff to feel qualified to make that decision.
02:28:17scorche|shLlorean: i remember a recent effort at making a vmware build server image...
02:29:04Lloreanscorche|sh: colinux seems like it'd be more flexible for other things I might want to do.
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02:33:57scorche|shLlorean: what i meant, was that i dont see coLinux being any more feasible than vmware
02:35:01*scorche|sh looks up how networking is handled in coLinux
02:36:29scorche|shlooks just fine to me
02:37:27DerPapstLlorean: tried out [co|and]linux already?
02:37:56LloreanDerPapst: Not yet
02:38:07LloreanThe computer I intend to run it on doesn't exist yet.
02:38:25DerPapstah ok. let me know when you do. i'm courious ;-)
02:38:37LloreanI'm tempted to just download andlinux now to this one and play with it some
02:38:51LloreanIf I give in to curiosity, I'll let you know how the basics turn out
02:39:12DerPapstcool, thanks :-)
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02:40:41*Llorean goes ahead and downloads it.
02:41:30kugelI tried andLinux
02:41:53kugelI'd call it usable. I prefer building on linux though
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02:45:25kugelThe problem I had is that I couldn't build on a smb folder/drive
02:45:49kugelbecause of the timestamps of the files
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03:08:36soapwiki slow?
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03:14:47LloreanWas for me a little while ago.
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03:17:24jac0bis anyone using opensuse to build rb?
03:17:40*DerPapst used it ages ago
03:18:22DerPapstwhen one could compile rockbox with the iPL toolchain :P
03:18:40jac0bit is giving me a error when trying to d/l viz curl
03:19:24jac0balso I am using x86_64 should I install the 32bit gcc
03:19:25DerPapstwhat do you download with curl?
03:19:38jac0bI think the script uses it
03:20:12jac0bwell it actually stoped at a patch
03:20:27jac0bit siad it couldn't find a file
03:21:52 Part pixelma
03:22:13jac0bshould I not run it as root
03:22:28DerPapstiirc you should
03:22:29jac0bI think I ran it as root when I using ubuntu
03:22:44DerPapstbut i don't know jack about linux.
03:22:50soapI never run it as root. Had problems when I did.
03:23:00soapLearned my lesson.
03:23:01DerPapstthere you go
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03:23:13jac0bthanks soap
03:23:34jac0bI just need to edit the script to save it somewhere else
03:23:53DerPapstcan't you run it in your home dir?
03:23:54jac0bsoap: are you running a x86_64
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03:28:13jac0bthanks for the help I will have to figure this out
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05:11:07RenoHi i got a question how come i cant install or use rockbox on my ipod anymore?
05:11:25JdGordon|unithere could be any number of reasons...
05:11:27JdGordon|uniwhich ipod?
05:11:32RenoPlease help me.
05:12:08RenoI have an iPod Video 30GB 5th Generation. I have never had this problem before.
05:12:23RenoI have been using rockbox for about 2 years now.
05:12:35JdGordon|uniwhich part of the install is the problem?
05:12:44JdGordon|uniupdating rockbox? or installing the bootloader? or?
05:13:04RenoI did it with the utility and the manual way.
05:14:03Renosupposedly it installed rockbox correctly but when it tries to load it doesnt. it just stays at the apple logo.
05:15:06RenoI have also restored my ipod about 33-37 times. it doesn't work. nothing works. I have even reformated it and still the same problem.
05:16:33RenoIt's running the 1.2.3 firmware.
05:17:43LloreanReno: Restart the player, as soon as the apple logo shows up, hold Right. Do you get text? maybe an error message?
05:18:22RenoNope. It's very weird.
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05:20:11LloreanDoes it boot into the Apple OS properly?
05:21:43Renonope. it just stays at the apple logo.
05:21:50LloreanHow are you trying to make it boot the Apple OS?
05:23:13RenoWhen i restart it ipod it usually loaded into rockbox by default. If i wanted to load into the apple os i had to switch on the hold.
05:23:46LloreanDo you mean "I'm restarting it and turning on Hold, but it's staying at the Apple logo" then?
05:25:00RenoNo. If i do that than it loads into the apple os. that works fine. but i cant get it to rockbox.
05:25:21Renoi'm gonna try restoring it again. hold on please.
05:26:07LloreanSo, when I said "Does it boot into the Apple OS properly", why on Earth did you say "nope"?
05:26:39RenoI'm sorry. I thought you ment rockbox for some reason.
05:27:17LloreanWhere is the file rockbox.ipod located on your player, exactly?
05:28:24Renoinside the .rockbox folder.
05:31:52LloreanAnd where is the .rockbox folder?
05:32:48RenoIn the ipod's hard drive. It's not in any other folder and its not renamed either. I also just downloaded it.
05:33:23LloreanWhat do you mean "just downloaded it." We're talking about your non-working iPod, was it there before?
05:34:01RenoOK, where is that folder supposed to be? I just restored my ipod.
05:34:38LloreanWhere you say you have it.
05:35:03LloreanI can't really help you if you're going to just keep doing random things and not answer my questions, since anything you tell me might change because you've copied over another file now or whatnot.
05:35:24RenoYes, and that is where it is. It's always been there and I have never moved it.
05:37:18RenoI don't even know how this happened. One day I was just using Rockbox. All of the sudden my iPod shut down for some reason. It was fully charged. It had no disk errors. It just couldn't boot into Rockbox anymore.
05:37:32LloreanSounds like a hardware failure of some sort.
05:38:17LloreanHave you tried
05:38:50RenoYes. Many many times. This isn't the first time I have came here for help.
05:39:48LloreanYou said you've restored it many times.
05:40:02LloreanDo you mean using iTunes, or following the manual restore procedure from that page?
05:40:15RenoBoth ways.
05:41:36LloreanAnd have you ever had newer than version 1.2.3 firmware one it? If you've restored using iTunes recently, it probably had 1.3 at some point.
05:44:14RenoRight now i just restored it like 2 seconds ago to the new firmware.
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05:44:39LloreanHave you ever had newer than 1.2.3 on it BEFORE two seconds ago?
05:46:14RenoYes. Just now. I have the newest firmware now.
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05:46:52LloreanI said "BEFORE" just now, though.
05:47:51LloreanAre you absolutely sure? You said you'd upgraded with iTunes dozens of times.
05:47:57LloreanOr restored, rather, but it's the same process.
05:48:44RenoYes. Since i just restored it again. I have the newest firmware right now. Before i had 1.2.3
05:49:17LloreanI'm not sure you're understanding what I'm asking.
05:49:31LloreanI'm not asking if you have the newest firmware now.
05:49:44LloreanI'm asking if you might have installed the newest firmware by restoring in the past.
05:51:02RenoNo. I said I never did. I just said I have it now. But not before.
05:51:15LloreanSo, how did you restore in iTunes without upgrading?
05:51:26RenoI never installed the newest firmware in the past.
05:51:40LloreanRestoring will load the latest firmware iTunes has available to it.
05:52:26RenoYes, thats what I did now. Not before. Now.
05:52:35LloreanYou've never restored in itunes before?
05:52:49LloreanYou said you've done it "both ways" earlier.
05:53:13RenoYes but to the same firmware. I just got the new one now.
05:53:23LloreanSo, how did you restore in iTunes without upgrading?
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05:54:28RenoBecause it asks you if you want to restore using the same firmware or using the new one.
05:55:13LloreanThen you could've said that the _first_ time I asked that question.
05:55:32RenoMy girlfriend was actually the one who restored it without itunes before. I don't know how to do that. Only she does.
05:55:51LloreanSo, you don't know whether it was done right, or what firmware version was used for that.
05:56:59RenoHey i kinda have to go ca you send sms messages to my phone? so i can continue that way. I have to go pick up my girl.
05:57:09LloreanI'd suggest trying the manual restore again. It's much more explicit than the iTunes restore, and is more likely to fix an iPod than the iTunes restore is.
05:57:16RenoI can give yopu my number.
05:57:24LloreanTry the manual restore.
05:57:32LloreanIf that doesn't work, it's probably a hardware issue.
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05:58:33RenoOk. Well thank you!! :) I'll be back tomorrow. I have to pick up my girl. I cant keep her waiting. That would be bogus...
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06:02:31Renoif this works please respond. I was just on my pc asking about my iPod. I'm on my iPhone right now.
06:03:16Galoiswe see you
06:03:19Lloreanyes, it works.
06:06:26Renosince I'm in the car I have a very weak Internet signal
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06:06:51Battousaihope he wasn't driving at the same time
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06:08:03Renosorry I kinda
06:08:14RenoLost the signal
06:08:33LloreanReno: Please remember the channel guidelines and try to speak in complete sentences. You should probably just come back once you can actually try the solution offered.
06:10:09RenoTrust me, Im trying but the damn iPhone somehow does weird stuff when I text. I sent that sentence in like two parts.
06:11:10RenoI will try my best though since you guys are awesome!! :)
06:14:23Renohey maybe I can use yahoo! Messenger on my other phone. Maybe I can talk to you guys with that chat client. Will it work? It would be faster and easier?
06:16:54Renoif you guys are busy I can always come back? What ever you guys like best! I can wait.
06:17:54 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") guys there? If you can't talk to me this way just respond to this and I'll leave. It ok! :)
06:21:13LloreanReno: This is an on-topic channel. There's nothing really to say to you. You haven't asked any new questions about Rockbox, and until you go and try some things, there's nothing more to say about your problem.
06:23:31Renoyes, but I have tried many things and nothing works!! Would really wish I new one of you guys so you could take a look at my iPod for your self!
06:24:11LloreanDo the manual restore. Do it yourself. Make sure it's done exactly as the instructions say.
06:24:33Renowhat else is there that I can try to fix this problem?
06:25:17Renomy girlfriend did it already! She knows how!
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06:26:09LloreanLook, the only other thing I can say is "it's probably a hardware failure, there's nothing to be done."
06:26:22LloreanThis is most likely since it apparently stopped working without you changing anything or doing anything.
06:26:38RenoShe has done when she has had problems on her iPod.
06:26:44firefor any one out their with out uninstalling rock box can you go back to the original ipod OS?
06:26:50Lloreanfire: Yes.
06:27:12Lloreanfire: By following the uninstall instructions...
06:27:17LloreanReno: Then you're stuck. Sorry.
06:27:30LloreanReno: I don't see why you refuse to try doing it yourself, just to make sure it's done right.
06:27:35Lloreanfire: what?
06:28:03firei was hoping that i wouldent have to uninstall
06:28:19fireit wont play m4a
06:28:20ShaidYou mean boot into the original one, fire?
06:28:36fireyeha thats what i ment
06:28:40Lloreanfire: 1) Rockbox plays AAC audio. As long as your M4As aren't encrypted, and aren't very long
06:28:50Lloreanfire: 2) You can dual boot. You said "go back to it", I thought you meant "stop using Rockbox"
06:28:59LloreanDual boot is covered in the manual too
06:29:00Shaidturn the ipod on, and when the apple appears on the screen, flick the hold switch on
06:29:40Shaidthen to get back to rockbox you have to do a reset, which is usually by holding 'select' and 'menu' for 5 seconds or so
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06:30:11firemk thanks
06:30:57RenoI'll try it myself tommorow
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06:32:25Renoanyways whats a hardware failure? O_o??
06:32:54Lloreansomething has gone wrong with the hardware itself...
06:34:35Renomy iPod is really scratched up. I have never dropped it its just scratched really bad and I have insurance thing on it. Will apple still fix it for me??
06:35:16Renowhat do you guys think?
06:35:40LloreanProbably not. You've installed Rockbox on it, and you don't have any problems running the Apple software anyway
06:36:45RenoI can't restore it and erase rockbox? I can't use the hamm
06:37:12RenoSorry about thar
06:37:33RenoSang I can't text with this!
06:38:05RenoI'm on my iPhone....
06:38:14Llorean1) What would you tell them is wrong? The Apple software works fine. 2) Lying to them about whether or not you had voided your warranty could be a crime where you are located, as well as being a part of the reason Apple and companies like them may not like Rockbox.
06:40:13RenoWhy do they hate rockbox?!! Some people buy their stupid ipods just so they can use rockbox!! You guys are helping them make money!!!!!
06:40:52LloreanPeople buy iPods, void their warranty by installing it, encounter problems, and make Apple replace their iPods even though they've voided the warranty, costing Apple money.
06:41:18LloreanPeople will often get their iPods into a state where it won't boot at all, and even though it's easily recoverable the person doesn't know it, and makes an Apple employee spend time recovering it.'
06:41:34RenoWhen I go to apple stores most of the employees have hacked their iPod or are using rockbox!!
06:41:48LloreanIf people never lied about their warranties, it would save Apple money and probably at least be a step toward them looking down on alternate firmware.
06:42:06LloreanReno: That means nothing to Apple shareholders, to whom the upper management are ultimately answerable.
06:42:26LloreanAnyway, it's irrelevant.
06:42:33LloreanWhether Apple will help you is between you and them.
06:43:47RenoThey suck ass!! They hate you guys and you guys help them make money?!! What the hell?!!
06:44:05RenoMy language
06:44:23RenoSorry about that...
06:44:36LloreanLook, just come back when you've tried what I told you to try.
06:45:30RenoOk thank you very much for what you've done up until now!! :) I got to get to
06:45:36RenoMy GF
06:46:30RenoI love her more than anything!! But that has nothing to do with rockbox so...... it doesnt...
06:47:00LloreanOkay, seriously, one more off-topic outburst and I really will make sure it can't happen again.
06:48:09RenoOk ok!! Sorry!! LOL!!! Thant anyways!! Bye!! :)
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06:51:13RenoYou know you guys can say your welcome or something and get out of here before we stop helping you or something like that!! But no! You guys won't even respond!! And one more thing... How can I donate money again?!!
06:51:56scorchethere is a paypal button on the side of the page...why we dont really respond, is because this is not a social channel
06:54:35RenoI know but you guys are kind of too strict don't you think?!! I mean is it too much to ask for a your welcome or a get the hell outa here?!! I'm donating $100 is that ok?
06:57:04LloreanAny amount is okay. But really, the channel is logged. We keep chatter down so the logs aren't huge, and when people who aren't around read the logs to catch up they don't have to spend forever doing it.
06:57:04scorchei dont think a "get the hell outa here" is very nice...and you can donate however much you feel
07:00:01RenoWell it might not be nice but not responding at all is worse! And about the chatter thing you should have told me in the 1st place! Ok seriously though, this has nothing to do with rockbox! It starting to sound like myspace!! Bye for real this time... And thanks again!! :)
07:00:01scorcheReno: well, the guidelines linked to in the topic should have told you that ;)
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07:00:21RenoAlot better see! Bye! ;-)
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07:07:58Satanhi! Anyone here know if rockbox will ever be available for the iPod classic or the iPod touch? Please say yes!
07:08:14scorchenot if no one works on it
07:08:24LloreanYou can't predict the future. But nobody is working on it, so it's not going to happen any time soon.
07:09:06SatanWhat do you mean?
07:09:49scorcheno one is currently working on it
07:10:03SatanCan we pay you guys to work on it?
07:11:04scorcheto be paid to do this sort of work would likely be many thousands of dollars for all of the man-hours
07:11:21cpbillsand, at the very least, donated hardware
07:11:24LloreanUp front, most people do Rockbox as a hobby. They have a player they're interested in, and because of that interest, work on it.
07:11:37SatanCan we pay you guys?!!
07:11:47LloreanWhy not just buy a player that Rockbox already works on, if you want to spend money.
07:12:41cpbillsfollow one of the howto projects for adding a 250gb drive to a sansa...
07:13:29Lloreancpbills: Please, keep sarcasm out of here.
07:14:10SatanBecause I only like the iPod classic and touch. Would it be hard to create a rockbox app for the iPod touch?
07:14:28scorche...and why would you only like those?
07:14:49LloreanIt's not simple, at least.
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07:18:30SatanBecause the ckassic has more memory and is thinner and the touch is just plain cool! Having rockbox on those would make them the ultimate iPods. Especially since they would play MPEG. I'm willing to donate up to $6000 in person to one of you guys!!
07:19:10LloreanSatan: They already play a much more advanced video format.
07:19:19scorchethe classic does not have more memory, there are other devices that we do support that are thinner
07:19:51SatanBut playing many other formats means they coul
07:20:09LloreanAnd honestly, offering to donate a very large sum of money for such a think is somewhat offensive to those of us who have been working for years on this project already. It's like saying "Yeah, I appreciate all your work, but I only want to give this money to the one guy who does the iPod Classic bit at the end."
07:20:13SatanThey c
07:20:48LloreanIn fact, I've just noticed you're Reno.
07:20:51SatanIt means we wouldn't have to convert to a cartain format!
07:20:52LloreanEither that or you've stolen his phone.
07:20:58LloreanEither way, please shut up.
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07:26:41Satannope I'm his friend! He with his stupid chick and the dumbsss
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07:27:08SatanThe dumbass forgot his phone
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07:31:01SatanNo!! Please!! If he finds out I said that about his chick hell be pissed and kick my ass!!! Hell see you guys muted him here too and make things worse!! You don't know how he gets when somebody talks about his fucking chick!!
07:33:17SatanPlease undo that!! I'll donate $50 please!! Hell fucking kill me!!! PLEASE!!! Don't do this!!! I'm begging!!! Hell kick my ass!!
07:34:10SatanJust tell me how to log out and I promise ill go!!
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07:37:15SatanPlease help me!!! I'll leave!! How do you turn off this damn phone?!! Its like locked and shit?!!
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07:39:18SatanI'll do anything!! Please help me out! Undo that and tell me how to turn off the phone?!!
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07:43:33Satantell me how to turn this thing off and I'll leave!!
07:43:53LloreanYou were already kicked. You chose to come back.
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07:49:01JdGordonscorche: ok, youve had your fun...
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08:56:09JdGordonwtf? im getting a reboot cycle on nano with usb plugged in instead of it booting into OF?
08:56:36JdGordonbatt is bassically empty though so mayve the problem?
08:56:44JdGordonhad to turn on hold to get it to charge
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09:18:44pondlifeAnyone mind if I remove Study Mode from the context menu?
09:19:10pondlifeIt shouldn't be there really - maybe on a quickscreen, but it's got nothing much to do with context
09:19:13LloreanIs it accessible somewhere else?
09:19:22pondlifeAh, I assumed so
09:19:28pondlifeIf not, I'll make sure it is
09:19:35LloreanThat's all I ask. :)
09:19:36pondlifeAlongside Party mode?
09:19:42n1syeah, it's in the settings
09:19:42LloreanWorks for me.
09:19:53*Llorean wants to know why EQ are considered a "context" thing
09:20:21pondlifeThat too
09:20:48pondlifeIt could be under Sound Settings, at least
09:20:56n1sit depends on how you look at it, all sound/playback settings can be said to be in the wps context because they affect music playback...
09:21:29pondlifeI'd prefer if the Sound Settings option used the same menu as in Settings.
09:21:46peturLlorean: RE colinux, did you see ?
09:21:52Lloreann1s: Yeah, then it would make sense for "Sound Settings" to be available directly from the context menu then, as a whole.
09:21:58pondlifeSo you'd get Sound Settings > Equalizer > ...
09:22:09Lloreanpetur: That's what prompted me to investigate colinux, though I haven't tried that one yet.
09:22:15pondlifeAnd use the same code, so reducing bin size a bit
09:23:05peturLlorean: I could never get the bare colinux to work properly (network issues), I'll try this one later on...
09:23:11n1sthe only thing i ever use in that menu is the playlist submenu option so it should be on the top! :)
09:23:20Lloreanpetur: I tried andlinux and it worked flawlessly, but performed poorly since it only used a single core.
09:23:36pondlifeAh, actually maybe it already is using the same code; it's the extra EQ stuff that confused me
09:24:55pondlifeCertainly I use Playlist more than any other, but I can't speak for everyone
09:25:19pondlifeThe two EQ options and (even moreso) Study mode are just wrong, IMHO.
09:25:35linuxstbJdGordon: Regarding that ipod scrollwheel bug, I remember having a conversation a long time ago with one of the ipodlinux (loader2) devs, who said he experienced a similar problem there. IIRC, the fix was related to resetting the button controller when hold was disabled. So the loader2 source might have some clues.
09:25:36n1swe should make an informal vote :) +1 for playlist on top
09:25:47Llorean+1 for "remove equalizer and study mode"
09:25:58pondlife+2 too
09:26:03LloreanI think "sound settings" on bottom, and "Playlist" on top
09:26:03*linuxstb abstains as he doesn't use that menu
09:26:49pondlifeWe could do with a better voting system for this sort of thing. I guess I should pop a patch up and publicise it.
09:26:50*amiconn doesn't care, as he practically never uses the wps context menu
09:27:28linuxstbpondlife: A private (devs only) forum?
09:27:33*pondlife does LONG SELECT - DOWN - SELECT - SELECT often
09:27:36JdGordonlinuxstb: ah ok,
09:27:42pondlifelinuxstb: Not private
09:27:47pondlifeI'd want all users to be counted
09:27:57linuxstbpondlife: OK, then just an existing forum poll...
09:28:02JdGordonvoting is the job of the devcon and steering groups...
09:28:10*pondlife forgot the forum
09:28:29linuxstbpondlife: I thought you didn't say forum because you didn't want a "free" vote...
09:28:44pondlifeNah, I just don't use the forum much
09:28:51pondlifeBut you're right
09:28:55pondlifeI'll pop a vote up
09:29:02pondlifeOr rather 2 votes
09:29:09linuxstbpondlife: Be careful, you could start a trend...
09:29:19JdGordonlinuxstb: any idea where to find their source without having to dowanload everything?
09:29:25pondlifeI'll be sure to mention that Rockbox isn't a democracy
09:29:39linuxstbJdGordon: Maybe the "Loader_2" wiki page -
09:29:42JdGordonah dw.. found it
09:31:01pondlifeWho is "dan"?
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09:31:20linuxstbpondlife: Check docs/COMMITTERS
09:31:41pondlifeI don't want to upset anyone...
09:39:01LloreanIf you do, blame it on me. :)
09:39:45B4gdernoooo blame me!
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09:44:35pondlifeHmm, I'd like 3 questions on one poll
09:44:46pondlifeMaybe I should put all 8 combinations up.. ;)
09:45:30peturB4gder: what's up with the two missing buildresults?
09:46:40n1spetur: did the h380 upgrade require an svn bootloader?
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09:46:58peturn1s: no
09:46:58JdGordonany ideas what outl(0xffffffff, 0x7000c120); outl(0xffffffff, 0x7000c124); does for the ipods?
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09:47:44B4gderpetur: that's usually a sign of the particular build server being confused
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09:49:04B4gderif it happens more often I'll research it, but if not I'll just ignore ;-)
09:49:16pondlifehehe the spellchecker knows of Bagder (but not Llorean)
09:50:41JdGordonlol @ legal advisory
09:50:41pondlifeLlorean: Please add comments too, if I missed anything. You can argue more eloquently than I can.
09:51:01pondlifeI just go on gut feeling most of the time ;)
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09:52:59n1spondlife: ok, now lock it and take the democratical result for what it is :)
09:53:14pondlifeYup, I never said how long it would be open for
09:53:27pondlifeI'll give it a bit longer though
09:54:04pondlifePity it's anonymous - I'd want to know what argument there is for keeping Study Mode in there...
09:54:30B4gderI find it funny that you mention three options and I can select yes/no for "both"
09:55:08pondlifeThe 3rd point isn't an option, more a discussion item
09:55:12pondlifeI'll clarify
09:55:32*B4gder never uses any of them
09:56:52*Llorean wonders who voted for leaving "Study Mode" already
09:57:06pondlifeSomeone lurking here, I'd guess ;)
09:57:16*JdGordon hopes he didnt vote the wrong option
09:57:19JdGordonand why the anon poll?
09:57:32pondlifeI didn't see a non-anon option
09:57:35JdGordonno, i hadnt voted yet :)
09:57:39*petur looks away and hums a bit
09:57:56pondlifeLlorean: Do you think should be rejected?
09:58:04pondlifeIt's unlikely to go in.
09:58:31LloreanI wanted to see if there was something I was missing. I hate to reject things outright no matter how "obviously" they seem to be pointless to me.
09:58:33pondlifeSeems a bit cruel to kill off someone's contribution, but maybe crueller to let them waste their time.
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09:58:54LloreanThough it does make me think that a few more of the RTC tags could be conditionals.
09:59:25n1spondlife: we would have told him it was unlikely to be accepted if he had come in here and asked...
09:59:43pondlifeIf a WPS includes RTC tags, how does it behave on a non-RTC target?
10:01:17*JdGordon goes to hurry up dinner
10:01:29LloreanI think the only situation where that happens is with 160x128 WPSes on an H120, which was the first target of that resolution, so not many exist
10:01:35LloreanI *think* it fills in a −−:−−
10:01:40LloreanBut I'm not sure.
10:01:51*Llorean remembers talking about this with someone, but not what actually happened about it.'
10:02:04pondlifeSo we could do with a "RTC/non-RTC" conditional (or maybe a clock set conditional)?
10:02:17LloreanClock set makes sense.
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10:07:34pondlifeNico_P: Morning, have you any ideas on the current CPU boost issue(s)?
10:08:46Nico_Ppondlife: no, I haven't had time to investigate yet
10:08:53pondlifeOK, just wondered
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10:12:56LapsusJust wondering, but how difficult is it to revert an ipod back to it's original firmware after installing rockbox? I've been given free reign with my brother's ipod, so long as I can give it back to him the way I got it, and I'd like to try rockbox for a little while, and get a feel for it.
10:13:12LapsusLosing music/data isn't an issue seeing as it's empty at the moment
10:14:50LloreanRemoving Rockbox is as simple as installing it.
10:15:20Lapsusokay, so how hard is it to install then? :P
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10:15:54n1sLapsus: it is as hard as following instructions in the manual
10:16:04LapsusOkay, thanks
10:16:08LloreanNot something I can really safely say. I consider it exceptionally easy, but others might disagree.
10:17:41LapsusWell, I'll give it a shot, and if it all goes to hell, and the manuals don't help, I'll be back soon :P
10:17:44LapsusThanks guys
10:19:19pvagnerHello all,
10:19:19pvagnerI was trying to research if there were some attempts of porting Espeak synthesizer to some other platforms E.G. symbian or whether it runs on some embedded systems. The only bit of information I have found is that you were discussing it here on this channel.
10:19:19pvagnerHere is the log: Can anyone please explain to me how such a engine might relate to rockbox according to the discussions you had?
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10:20:27markunpvagner: here's the patch
10:21:18markunbut currently we can't integrate it in rockbox because of incompatible licenses
10:21:41pvagnermarkun : I do know voice files etc. Does this suppose to make these voice files obsolete? or how does espeak fit here?
10:22:27LloreanIn theory it could make voice files obsolete, but the plugin is only capable of reading text files, I believe.
10:22:58n1spvagner: it would be much more flexible as there would be no need for pregenerated clips for voicing filenames, etc
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10:24:37pvagnerLlorean: even reading text files is great. I believe. Anyway if you think it is posible to use it as an real-time sythesiser for user interaction I am sure there will be a chance to make an agreement with the espeak author. From what I know he's really cooperative.
10:24:53markunpvagner: yes, it's a really nice guy
10:25:33pondlifeWas he unable or unwilling to use GPLv2 ?
10:25:40LloreanHe doesn't believe there's a conflict.
10:26:22LloreanAt least, last I heard.
10:26:49markunvery unfortunate that open source projects cannot work together because they use different versions of the same license :(
10:27:10pondlifeSo - he doesn't think there's a conflict but insists on v3?
10:27:26Lloreanpondlife: Well, if there were no conflict, there would be no reason for him to change.
10:27:31pondlifeAnd we think there may be a conflict...
10:27:37pvagnermarkun: I assume when you'll get his explicit permission to use his software you should not bother about licencing. or am I wrong?
10:27:44LloreanWell, if I recall I think it got explained to him within the plugin context.
10:28:03LloreanAnd as a plugin, it's *similar* to being an application, so I can see where there might be fuzziness from an outside viewer.
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10:28:28LloreanBut we need to integrate it into the core (which is GPLv2 at the moment) to really be able to use it anyway.
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10:29:45Lloreanpvagner: You always need a license. Explicit permission is what a license *is*. If we go explicit permission to use his code in Rockbox, that would, in essence, have to take the form of either him licensing it under GPLv2 or him giving us permission to do so.
10:29:59LloreanOr a GPLv2 compatible license.
10:30:09markunor us using a different license
10:30:52*petur thinks all these different licenses will kill or seriously hurt FOSS
10:30:55Lloreanmarkun: But that wouldn't be us "getting" permission. That would be us taking advantage of the permission we already have by meeting its terms. :)
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11:19:01amiconnLlorean: H1x0 is not the only 160x128 target without rtc
11:22:07amiconnNo, ipod G1+G2
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13:32:55preglowanyone got a tcctool with statically built libusb? :/
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13:35:03gevaertsI have one
13:38:54preglowbah, kernel too old :////
13:39:00*preglow kicks sarge
13:39:04preglowgevaerts: thanks anyway
13:39:13preglowi'll just try to roll my own libusb
13:39:35linuxstb_preglow: Too old for what? tcctool or libusb?
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13:41:36preglowlinuxstb_: libusb, i'd wager
13:41:44preglowlinuxstb_: the vmware image still has 2.4 :/
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13:42:45preglowthe exe just says "Kernel too old", then segfaults when running, i guess that's libusb discovering the kernel interface is out of date
13:43:38preglowdoes it require some special version of libusb?
13:44:21linuxstb_Not as far as I know - but I expect you might need an older version of libusb, to match the kernel...
13:44:21preglowusing 0.1.2, and gcc errors out in line 213 saying "stucture has no member named 'interface'"
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13:44:47preglowwell, i'll try that :/
13:44:48linuxstb_tcctool works quite nicely under Windows though - if you can install the driver....
13:45:14preglowi know, i'd just like to stay in vmware as much as possible to avoid all this bloody swapping
13:46:17preglowi'd expect libusb configure would have told me if my linux was too old, though
13:46:19preglowit compiled without a hitch
13:48:54preglowwell, at least usb.h:dev_config_descriptor has no 'interface' variable
13:50:03preglowlibusb test works
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13:56:02preglowsure you're not using some behind the scenes interface here?
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14:14:36linuxstbpreglow: tcctool works fine on win32 and OS X, so I would expect it to be doing things legally... Maybe the USB API simply didn't exist in those kernel versions...
14:15:05preglowlinuxstb: like i said, testlibusb works fine
14:15:20preglowit doesn't do anything nearly as fancy as tcctoo, though
14:16:07linuxstbCertain kernels do seem to have issues with tcctool though - see my conversation last night with LamdaCalculus (and the link I gave)
14:16:27linuxstbBut I don't know if that's related to your problem...
14:17:47preglowthink i'll just fall back to waiting for a newer vmware image again...
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14:59:54advcomp2019hello stooo
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15:25:47linuxstbGood morning.
15:25:55stooogood evening ;)
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15:27:22LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: I had noticed a little oddity when trying tcctool last night. I first hooked my m240 up via my brother's laptop, but when I ran tcctool, it still wouldn't find it.
15:27:47LambdaCalculus37So I disconnected, entered the command in the terminal, then rehooked it, waited 5 seconds, and hit enter, and it worked!
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15:28:27LambdaCalculus37So I think the problem is that you have to enter it within a certain amount of time of connecting.
15:28:55linuxstbI haven't found that. But I normally connect then run tcctool quite soon afterwards.
15:29:38LambdaCalculus37I think the reason why tcctool wasn't finding the m200 on my laptop was that I was waiting too long.
15:29:46LambdaCalculus37I'm going to try again later to see if it'll work this time.
15:30:08linuxstbBTW, there was no need to re-upload those images - attachments can be moved directly from one wiki page to another...
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15:31:48LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Oops, didn't know. Sorry.
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15:38:03ARvashis there any way I could get rockbox working on a 2nd generation nano?
15:38:54ARvashalright and what about an e200?
15:38:58ARvashsansa e200
15:39:02LambdaCalculus37As long as it's a v1.
15:39:16LambdaCalculus37Does the original firmware start with 01.XX.XX?
15:39:55ARvashalright, should I install rockbox from linux (gentoo) or from windows?
15:39:59stooothere is a way
15:40:09stooowe work on it
15:40:14LambdaCalculus37stooo: Quiet.
15:40:21LambdaCalculus37ARvash: Use what you want.
15:40:30stooookok ;))
15:40:58ARvashLambdaCalculus word, my phone only lets my update from linux :P so I wasn't sure.
15:40:59LambdaCalculus37ARvash: Check your Sansa firmware and make sure it's 01.XX.XX.
15:41:14ARvashLambdaCalculus37: alright, I'll do that when I get home.
15:41:15LambdaCalculus37Here's our installer utility:
15:41:23LambdaCalculus37You can use that to install Rockbox.
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15:41:48LambdaCalculus37And you'll want to have a peek at the manual, too:
15:41:58ARvashand what about for an ipod that I've found and I want to see what generation it is how would I tell?
15:42:24ARvashit's a nano
15:42:27ARvashbut I think it's 1g
15:42:30LambdaCalculus37Ask Steve Jobs himself. :)
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15:42:37ARvashhaha thanks
15:42:52LambdaCalculus37Does it have an all-metal body, or a plastic front and chrome back?
15:43:10ARvashyeah its 2g >:(
15:43:22ARvashnot so cool.
15:43:33ARvashlol I have 2 2g nanos D:<
15:43:54LambdaCalculus37Well, you can sell them on eBay and then buy a Rockbox-compatible device.
15:44:17ARvashhaha well that's an idea, I would do that if they were fully functional
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15:44:45ARvashPerhaps I can get the e200 to work..
15:44:45LambdaCalculus37Here's a chart with all of the device Rockbox is running on:
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15:54:11preglowlooks like goodness
15:54:20preglowthough the tables look awful, but that's hardly your fault
15:54:46LambdaCalculus37preglow: Where, on the DeviceChart page?
15:55:19preglowit applies to the wiki in generael
15:55:33preglowtables look like something out of the web's early days
15:55:56LambdaCalculus37Yeah, looks like a little spring cleaning is in order.
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15:58:39preglowthe default twiki look is nicer, imho, but it doesn't fit with what seems to be the "rockbox look", of course
16:04:12GodEaterthe "rockbox look" of course being "sounds like a BAG OF SHIT"
16:05:29*LambdaCalculus37 remembers that quote :)
16:06:31preglowwell, i tend to agree when it comes to that blue/orange colour scheme, plus the logo
16:07:04*GodEater is always impressed with the audio qualities apparently possessed by bags of shit
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16:09:36LambdaCalculus37preglow: Still going to commit FS #8680?
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16:10:11preglowLambdaCalculus37: if no one beats me to it
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16:13:43jandrohello folks, I'm trying to install rockbox on a iriver H320, but I keep getting error -1 when loading. I've followed everysingle step for installation few times. I tried also patching different firmwares. Any idea what am I doing wrong? Thanks
16:14:06LambdaCalculus37Are you extracting the correctly?
16:14:25LambdaCalculus37You should have a .rockbox folder in the root of the hard drive, and a rockbox.iriver file inside of that folder.
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16:17:45jandrowell, it is under .rockbox 2
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16:18:01jandrowhen unzip the fonts took the .rockbox name first
16:18:19JdGordonso overwrite that folder
16:20:14jac0b|whas anyone had any problems with the script
16:20:25JdGordonwhats the problem?
16:20:40jac0b|wI thik mine is not d/l'ing anything
16:21:32jac0b|wI thought it was a problem with my system but I figured out that it was not d/l'ing the packages
16:22:10*GodEater would suggest it's still a problem with your system since has worked for a lot of people with no issues
16:22:29LambdaCalculus37What are you trying to run on?
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16:22:35LambdaCalculus37Cygin? OS X? Linux?
16:22:38jac0b|wopensuse 10.3
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16:26:05jandroI already fix that, there's not any error now, but the device turns off after the lines lenght.... checksum... model...
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16:29:27jac0b|wwhat I think is happening is that my system is not d/l'ing the gcc and binutils
16:31:07jac0b|wcan I just d/l it and have the script compile it?
16:32:10JdGordonjust make sure you get the right files and put them in the tmp folder the script expects
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17:13:03jandroHello people, I've tried again to install rockbox on the iriver h320. I have installed the patched firmware and the .rockbox and .rockbox-fonts folders, But when loading I get error -4. any idea what am I doing wrong? thanks
17:13:41GodEaterthere isn't supposed to be a .rockbox-fonts folder, although that's not the source of your error
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17:20:37GodEaterI think -4 is a checksum failure, which means the you downloaded is either corrupt, or the contents were corrupted when you wrote them to your H320.
17:20:51GodEaterTry downloading it again, and re-unzipping it to your player
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17:21:05jandrook, tranks GodEater
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17:40:43jandroHello people, I've tried again to install rockbox on the iriver h320. I have installed the patched firmware and the .rockbox and .rockbox-fonts folders, But when loading I get error -4. I tried to download again the file and to re-unzip it as GodEater suggested, but I still get the same error... Any idea? cheers
17:41:16gevaertsWhy do you have a .rockbox-fonts directory ?
17:41:56jandrooh, cause I thought is was needed for the fonts, but I already removed it
17:42:10jandrosorry, I partially paste the message from before
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17:44:43gevaertsDoes .rockbox contain a file named rockbox.iriver ?
17:46:30jandroyes, it does
17:48:12gevaertsI would suggest trying the automatic installation tool (rockbox utility, or rbutil).
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17:48:41linuxstbjandro: How big (in bytes) is your rockbox.iriver file?
17:49:21linuxstbAlso, have you checked your h320's disk for errors (e.g. chkdsk /f) ?
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17:54:00jandroI tried already with the rockbox utility, but the mac version crashed when installing bootloader
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17:54:42jandroMy rockbox.iriver file is 450376 bytes
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17:58:20jandroI solved it folks, apparently there was an error in the hard drive, I checked and repaired it with the Disk Utility app and it works after that. Thank you for you help!
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19:30:11*BigBambi now has a gigabeat S120
19:31:43*gevaerts only has an S30 :(
19:31:57BigBambigevaerts: still good work :)
19:33:01BigBambiInstall was very easy - but blank disk in, turn on, it asked for a restore, use sendfirm to send a patched bootloader, bootloader usb to fix partition table, reboot, bootloader usb to install build
19:33:23*n1s wonders if gevaerts is going to have a stab at usb host?
19:33:28bertrikhow careful do we have to be in rockbox code to be thread-safe
19:33:56bertrikI mean, we have a cooperative scheduler, but some targets do have more than one processor
19:35:22*gevaerts might have a stab at usb host some day, but it's not at the top of the list
19:37:01bertrikIs there a description about what tasks run on the main processor and what runs on the COP? or is there no such division of tasks?
19:37:49*scorche|sh would rather have USB before USB host
19:38:58n1sscorche|sh: well, the usb works fairly well on the beast tbh
19:39:37scorche|shwell, yes, but i meant something that works reliably that we can commit
19:39:37*gevaerts wants to know if there is a key combination to force a beast into some sort of recovery mode
19:39:39n1sbertrik: some plugins (mpegplayer maybe greylib) and codecs (spc iirc) are the only thing that use the second core
19:39:46LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: There is.
19:39:55gevaertsLambdaCalculus37: thanks :)
19:39:57BigBambigevaerts: left + windows key
19:40:00LambdaCalculus37Hold down left on the d-pad and the Windows key as you turn it on.
19:40:42LloreanIt's not quite as friendly as the e200 recovery mode thoguh
19:41:00BigBambigevaerts: It will format + rebugger the partition flags
19:41:54gevaertsThanks. That worked :)
19:42:20LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: And that means another session with fdisk, unbuggering the partition flags. :/
19:42:56bertrikn1s: thanks
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19:59:49*gevaerts wants to know why the beast bootloader says 'File not found'
20:00:38BigBambigevaerts: that's an intermittent problem some people have had (I luckily never have)
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20:00:53BigBambiPeople have 'fixed' it by restoring and trying again
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20:05:56amiconnBigBambi: At least you can do nice naming for a beast with >=100GB
20:06:08BigBambiamiconn: :)
20:06:13amiconnBut how would one call a H1x0 or a H300 if upgraded like this?
20:06:37amiconnH3120? H420? H312?
20:06:45gevaertsamiconn: you see, you're all wrong in not liking the beast ;)
20:06:50BigBambiI guess 3120
20:06:59BigBambibut I don't really know :)
20:07:33amiconngevaerts: Well, the archos recorder is similarly simple. I am planning to convert mine into an Archos Recorder 250 :)
20:07:47domonokythe biggest number is always the best. so a h3120 is nice.. :-)
20:09:30*gevaerts now tried restoring and installing rockbox three times. Still 'File not found'
20:09:47LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Strange.
20:09:57Lloreangevaerts: Did you restore to just OF, first?
20:10:17LloreanThough I can't see why it'd be particularly different.
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20:10:37BigBambigevaerts: linuxstb had the same issue, he might be able to advise
20:10:50BigBambiI *think* he restored to the OF
20:11:10gevaertsMaybe just booting to the OF at least once will help
20:11:34LloreanIt didn't help me, sadly
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20:15:09*gevaerts has won \o/
20:15:42BigBambiwhat did it take?
20:15:56gevaertsThe OF told me that there was an error and that it wanted to first erase all my media files. After that it worked
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20:38:47maisyI've recently registered on the Twiki and am requesting write access be granted to me:MaisyMeints ... thanks to whomever can do so for me!
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20:40:34gevaertsmaisy: I'll do that. Out of curiosity, what are you planning to edit ?
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21:01:11Lloreankugel: If you intend to actually discuss things on the mailing list, please don't use it in digest mode.
21:03:31kugelLlorean: Sorry yea, I've noticed that after I pushed the sent button. I just forgot to edit the subject
21:04:31LloreanIt's not just editing the subject.
21:04:48gevaertskugel: be careful. If you only edit the subject, threading will still break. You also need a correct In-Reply-To (and possibly References) header
21:05:11LloreanSeriously, if you wish to discuss on the list, change to receiving all emails instead of a digest so that accidents are far less likely.
21:05:24LloreanIt's not exactly a large request to make of someone who's serious about getting involved, I think
21:05:28kugelI guess "Re: Settings as a plugin" was a proper subject?
21:05:43Lloreankugel: Note what gevaerts said....
21:06:43kugelSo "RE: Settings as a plugin" is not good?
21:06:53gevaertsIt's good, but not enough
21:07:28gevaertsIt's basically impossible to construct the right headers by hand
21:07:44Lloreangevaerts: What part of "it's not just the subject" is confusing about the fact that you need things *other* than the subject?
21:08:03LloreanSorry, that was to kugel
21:09:31gevaertsThe -dev list is not particularly high-volume anyway
21:09:49kugelI don't get this. I'm fairly new to mailing lists. rockbox-dev is the first only I'm subscribed to, and the answer I made was also the first one
21:10:25Lloreankugel: You need to change the mode so that you receive all emails, instead of one big email. then you need to actually respond to the email.
21:10:38LloreanEmails contain a lot more information that the user doesn't see, and that information is needed to properly archive them.
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21:11:52andi5432i wanted to ask if the new ipod nano is supported or not?
21:12:05andi5432thats a shame
21:12:32andi5432what rockbox compatible mp3 player would you guys reccomend
21:12:49n1sandi5432: it depends on what you want it to do
21:12:51andi5432my 1st gen nano just broke and want to buy a rockbox mp3
21:13:19andi5432just mp3, hard drive, display of like nano size
21:13:37andi5432no videos and fancy stuff but still not a shuffle
21:13:38domonokyandi5432: take a look at:
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21:14:24gevaertskugel: has some explanations about all this
21:14:26n1ssmall(ish) color display hd targets are basically ipod photo/color iriver h300 iaudio x5 iriver h10
21:16:15andi5432did the rock box team stop developing though?
21:16:26andi5432no touch are supported
21:16:39n1sandi5432: no, some new ports are being worked on check the TargetStatus wiki page
21:16:54kugelgevaerts: I think the thread system is clear to me, but obviously not how to correctly answer a topic
21:17:23andi5432thanks a lot guys
21:17:28andi5432i'll be heading ouit
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21:17:36scorche|shandi5432: rockbox development is far far from dea....bah
21:17:54*n1s deletes his long reply too :/
21:17:59Lloreankugel: To correctly answer, you must receive all emails, and reply to the actual email. Not start a new email.
21:18:04LloreanThat's all there is to it.
21:18:13scorche|shkugel: just stop using digest mode, get individual mails, and reply to the individual ones
21:18:50LambdaCalculus37So just buy another 1st gen nano, then.
21:19:12LambdaCalculus37Or buy a Sansa. But the choice is up to you to make.
21:19:29LambdaCalculus37Never mind.
21:19:34*LambdaCalculus37 hates when lag hits
21:19:34kugelLlorean: I intended to answer your email, so would be "Re: Re: Settings as a plugin (Paul Louden)" (or maybe one Re is enough) good?
21:19:54BigBambikugel: It isn't just the title
21:19:56scorche|shkugel: stop
21:19:57kugelscorche|sh: Yea, I'm just trying to get to the settings
21:20:26Lloreankugel: There's not really any way to fix this. You've already broken threading for this thread, and since you haven't received the previous emails, there's not a good solution.
21:22:10kugelIs that digest mode on by default? I don't remember that I activated it
21:22:27Lloreankugel: In regards to "running from flash", the plugin buffer can be used just fine. The problem occurs though when the in-flash version of Rockbox differs from the on-disk version due to a plugin API change. At this point settings (and thus most of the menu system) becomes completely inaccessible.
21:23:07LloreanIn regards to TSR plugins, these are plugins like battery bench that keep running on the background. Though there aren't many now, the feature can be used for interesting things, and would conflict directly with use of the plugin buffer for settings.
21:23:36*kugel turned digest mode off now
21:24:26maisygevaerts: Thank you. As to what I am planning to edit: it's the Sansa Accessories page, to add my experience with a dock.
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21:24:39kugelLlorean: Ah ok thanks for explanation
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21:27:03gevaertsmaisy: great :) Now promise not to spam ;)
21:27:38maisygevaerts: I won't spam, I hate spam!
21:28:11LambdaCalculus37Even with eggs? (sorry, couldn't resist :P)
21:28:24gevaertsMaybe with some baked beans ?
21:28:57LambdaCalculus37maisy: Welcome to Rockbox!
21:30:32maisySpam from my childhood was food, Spam in my adult life is digital junk. Eggs are good, baked beans too, but with digital spam? No. With food spam, if childhood memory serves me well, I'd rather not have it either.
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21:31:15fmlHello. Does the RbUtil perform an update if run on the dap with rockbox already installed?
21:31:50domonokyfml, rbutil always installs the newest build, so yes its an update.. :-)
21:35:23fmldomonoky: couldn't it then be explicitly stated? I.e. Install/Update or the like
21:38:08domonokycould be a idea, or detect if rockbox is already installed and change the button text .. :-)
21:38:48Lloreanfml: But it's just a reinstall with the newest version.
21:39:00LloreanThere's really no such thing as an "update". Everything is overwritten.
21:39:34Makuseruanyone know how long the Rockbox project has been around?
21:40:26scorche|shlate 2001-ish
21:40:49LambdaCalculus37But no official releases until around mid-2002.
21:41:03Makuseruwow, didnt think it had been around that long
21:41:19fmlLlorean: yes, that's what it's technically. But for a user it's an update. And many are used to the habit of first uninstalling and then reinstalling a new version if there is no update button.
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21:42:06scorche|shLambdaCalculus37: who counts official releases? ;)
21:42:15*gevaerts wonders which was first : rockbox or the ipod
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21:42:34*LambdaCalculus37 thinks a thesis could be done on the history of Rockbox :)
21:42:56scorche|shgevaerts: around the same time
21:43:05gevaertsscorche|sh: I know, that's why I wonder
21:43:25scorche|shthe wiki says "december 2001" which would give the edge to the ipod
21:43:42*domonoky thinks there is some document about rockbox history in the wiki, but cant find it..
21:43:55Makuseruim really impressed with rockbox, much better than stock players
21:43:58fmldomonoky: just change the comment text to "install or update rockbox on your player"
21:44:23gevaertsFirst mail on the ML was on 2001-12-07, but there must have been something before that
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22:02:08bluebrotherdomonoky: I was thinking about the "update" issue too. Well, a while back ;-)
22:02:50bluebrotherIMO an update button in the Quick Start tab would be nice. But that somewhat would require a proper startup detection I'm planning to do.
22:03:10bluebrotherbut for now I'm still working on the bootloader ... and probably should finish that first ;-)
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22:03:39fml(nagging mode on) What's about If the mode is here to stay then it should be possible to display it in the WPS. Or take the mode out.
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22:05:04*bluebrother votes for removal
22:05:18linuxstbfml: You expect a consensus to be reached and a decision made? In #rockbox?
22:05:27*Llorean votes for removal until such time as it can be reimplemented and renamed.
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22:05:44*Llorean expects a consensus within 1.5 months or less
22:06:24preglowwps tags for everything :/
22:06:35fmllinuxstb: not a consensus but a person brave enough to take the scissors and...
22:06:38*preglow wants study mode renamed and reworked
22:06:57*bluebrother seconds preglow
22:07:00linuxstbfml: Ah, you mean a volunteer?
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22:07:02*BigBambi_PC isn't bothered if it stays or gos, but it *must* be renamed
22:07:15preglowand i think that should be done before anything else related to it
22:07:43Buschelpreglow: could you take a look at the mpc seek buffer rework in FS #9015?
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22:08:03*gevaerts disagrees with BigBambi_PC. If it's removed, it doesn't need to be renamed
22:08:04preglowBuschel: i already have, and it looks good to me, though i didn't exactly do a close code analysis
22:08:16BigBambi_PCgevaerts: hehe, fair enough :)
22:08:25fmllinuxstb: yes, a seasoned surgeon :-)
22:08:25Nico_Pdomonoky: would there be something against autodetecting at startup in rbutil? with several targets the"invalid confi" dialog is a bit annoying
22:08:59Buschelpreglow: any testing done? i hopefully get some very large files tomorrow to check these
22:09:04bluebrotherNico_P: I have such a thing on my todo. Thing is that I want to perform several other things the same time −− like checking the network
22:09:06preglowBuschel: no testing, no, no rockbox time now
22:09:22Buschelpreglow: real life? ;)
22:09:33preglowyeah, ordinary work + preparing for moving
22:09:46Nico_Pbluebrother: nice to know you're thinking about it
22:10:16preglowBuschel: planning to remove the metadata sv4-6 code, btw?
22:10:25bluebrotherNico_P: I have a few ideas on how to make the user experience a bit more convenient. If only time wouldn't be that much in my way ... ;-)
22:10:51bluebrotherpermission check is another thing waiting.
22:11:25Buschelpreglow: i'll do so if the next time i'm sitting in front of my dev-pc. the next days, i think.
22:11:49preglowBuschel: should be a quick commit, i'd do it myself if i had a target nearby
22:11:52Buschelpreglow: will be some tiny change though
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22:18:28fmllinuxstb: have you been able to inject more custom code to sansa v2?
22:19:50*gevaerts disagrees with BigBambi_PC. If it's removed, it doesn't need to be renamed
22:20:13BigBambi_PCgevaerts: Alright, I get it! :)
22:20:21fmlgevaerts: deja vu?
22:20:39linuxstb_fml: No, I haven't tried - too much real work keeping me away from Rockbox
22:20:45*gevaerts is stuck in a time loop
22:21:08fmllinuxstb: ok, no hurry!
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