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| 00:00:23 | * | amiconn is slightly confused about bertrik's commit message |
| 00:01:19 | n1s | lowercase() ;) |
| 00:01:41 | amiconn | No, the 20:20 one |
| 00:02:05 | amiconn | The message says the opposite of what actually happened in the code re the macro |
| 00:02:30 | n1s | ah, yes i saw that too but checked the diff before the message :) |
| 00:02:56 | n1s | anyway there's yellow for the player build now, but he left |
| 00:07:21 | midgey | Bagder: is the core language set to spanish? |
| 00:07:48 | Bagder | yeah, but I'll check some more tomorrow, time to get some sleep for me now |
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| 00:50:09 | brianetter | is the gigabeat U 201 supported (use another build for gigabeat X or F?) |
| 00:52:19 | DerPapst | all supported devices are listed on the frontpage. |
| 00:52:24 | Nico_P | brianetter: no, it isn't. only players listed on the frontpage are |
| 00:52:35 | brianetter | k, just making sure... |
| 00:52:37 | * | scorche|sh twiches at DerPapst |
| 00:52:42 | Nico_P | brianetter: btw, the tracker isn't the place for such questions |
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| 00:53:28 | kugel | Nico_P: Hey, have you had time to review my patch (FS #8335), I'm asking since I don't think I'm going to do more |
| 00:53:41 | Nico_P | kugel: no, I haven't had time |
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| 00:53:55 | kugel | Ok, no hurry |
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| 01:43:26 | TheGazR | Am I to understand that I have to request permission to use the twiki in here to add details of a new port? |
| 01:43:29 | Alexanderr | Hey you guys, noobie here. Just have a few questions. |
| 01:43:58 | Alexanderr | Number 1, I have an i-pod nano 2nd generation. Would putting rockbox for the Ipod nano 1st generation be bad? |
| 01:44:32 | krazykit | you can't do that anyway. |
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| 01:44:49 | krazykit | TheGazR, yep. what's your wiki name? |
| 01:45:07 | Alexanderr | Krazy, were you talking to me? |
| 01:45:19 | krazykit | Alexanderr, yes. |
| 01:45:34 | TheGazR | Is it different to the name I signed up with on the forums? (If not, I'll have to sign up to the wiki) |
| 01:45:49 | krazykit | you have to sign up seperately for the wiki |
| 01:45:59 | TheGazR | Ok, I'll do that now. Thank you very much :) |
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| 01:46:01 | Alexanderr | Krazy, what is preventing me from doing it? |
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| 01:46:42 | krazykit | Alexanderr, ipodpatcher should complain about no ipods found. |
| 01:47:25 | Alexanderr | If I were to try it and something go wrong, would it be reversable? |
| 01:47:47 | krazykit | don't bother trying. it won't work. the 2g is completely different hardware. |
| 01:48:19 | Alexanderr | Is it reversable though? ;) |
| 01:49:37 | krazykit | unzipping the build is. ipodpatcher should flat-out refuse to do anything, though, so you can't alter your ipod anyway. |
| 01:49:58 | TheGazR | Not to sound pushy Alexanderr, but you have came here for help, and are going against what you're being told |
| 01:50:03 | TheGazR | Seems a bit strange to me :) |
| 01:50:22 | TheGazR | Oh, and I have done that now Krazykit; my username is GaryOakley |
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| 01:52:05 | Alexanderr | Haha Yeah gazr, sorry. :P |
| 01:52:18 | krazykit | TheGazR, all set. you should have write permissions now :) |
| 01:52:57 | TheGazR | No need to appoligise to me. I came here asking for help too. But I dunno, you wouldn't go into a mechanic and tell them they are rebuilding your car all wrong, so :p |
| 01:53:17 | Shaid | "What do you MEAN I can't have a v8 in my Beetle?!" |
| 01:53:37 | TheGazR | exactly ;) |
| 01:53:54 | TheGazR | "I want the petrol tank on the passanger seat! I hate my wife..." |
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| 01:55:16 | TheGazR | Oh, and thank you very much Krazykit :) Much appreciated |
| 01:56:44 | scorche|sh | Alexanderr: When we say it wont work, we mean "It won't work."...you can go ahead and try if you dont believe us as the tools wont work at all...embedded development is very different from software where things might work, but the producer wont tell you it will...everything has to be made to work with each individual player taking into account any differences |
| 01:57:19 | Alexanderr | Thanks for explaining scorche, I see what you mean. The bootloader wouldn't recognize it. |
| 01:57:32 | Alexanderr | Do you know of any cool things that I can do to my Nano 2nd gen? |
| 01:57:50 | scorche|sh | nope...and even if i did, that would be off-topic in this channel |
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| 01:58:17 | Steiner192 | hi all ive got a problem with my rockbox |
| 01:58:24 | Steiner192 | anyone wanna help? |
| 01:58:32 | krazykit | Steiner192, just ask |
| 01:58:38 | scorche|sh | not if you arent going to tell us what the problem is ;) |
| 01:58:42 | Alexanderr | Okay thanks all. |
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| 01:59:01 | Steiner192 | ive installed rockbox, its all okay, ive updated the database, wont shut down now |
| 01:59:16 | Steiner192 | keeps hanging at the shutting down screen, ive got iaudio x5l |
| 01:59:32 | Steiner192 | re-installed it like 5 times yet no charm :p |
| 01:59:53 | Steiner192 | before i added songs to the database it would shut down |
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| 02:00:12 | Steiner192 | so eh, anyone? :p |
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| 02:02:10 | Steiner192 | am i the first with that problem? :p |
| 02:04:43 | krazykit | Steiner192, please have patience. answers aren't instant. |
| 02:05:16 | Steiner192 | okay :) |
| 02:05:41 | Steiner192 | i was hoping that it was a common problem and someone had a magical solution :p |
| 02:06:40 | scorche|sh | i havent heard of it, but if you stick around, perhaps someone else has... |
| 02:06:54 | scorche|sh | just to make sure, you are using the latest official build, yes? |
| 02:07:10 | Steiner192 | got that |
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| 02:14:30 | Steiner192 | hmm reinstalled again |
| 02:14:38 | Steiner192 | building the database now takes a whole lot longer |
| 02:14:44 | Steiner192 | lets pray and hope :D |
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| 02:20:00 | Steiner192 | seems to work now |
| 02:20:02 | Steiner192 | strange |
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| 02:24:26 | krazykit | Steiner192, glad we could help :) |
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| 02:27:51 | elcaste | hello |
| 02:28:00 | elcaste | is there anyone here that could help me? |
| 02:28:57 | scorche|sh | we might find it a bit hard to do so if you havent said what you need help with... |
| 02:30:08 | elcaste | oh |
| 02:30:09 | elcaste | sorry |
| 02:30:20 | elcaste | well.. i have been trying to install rockbox on my ipod |
| 02:30:32 | elcaste | but i get ipod not found |
| 02:30:55 | scorche|sh | which ipod do you have? |
| 02:31:20 | elcaste | classci 80g |
| 02:31:33 | scorche|sh | ...did you happen to look at the front page and the list of devices that rockbox works on?...it is right front and center |
| 02:34:33 | elcaste | what do you mean? |
| 02:34:48 | elcaste | well.. mine would be a 5th generation classic 80gig |
| 02:34:50 | DerPapst | www.rockbox.org look at the table below the huge logo |
| 02:34:57 | scorche|sh | elcaste: classic is the 6th generation |
| 02:35:03 | DerPapst | there is no 5g classic |
| 02:35:16 | DerPapst | there is either the classic (aka 6G) or the 5G |
| 02:35:18 | scorche|sh | what makes you think it is the 5th generation? (i am honestly curious about this) |
| 02:35:43 | scorche|sh | note how it says "(not the Shuffle, 2nd/3rd gen Nano, Classic or Touch)" |
| 02:35:49 | elcaste | oh |
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| 02:35:58 | elcaste | daaaamn it.. |
| 02:36:15 | elcaste | so then i have a 6th gen classic 80gig.. |
| 02:36:21 | elcaste | i bought it in 2007 tho... |
| 02:36:24 | elcaste | a year ago.. lol |
| 02:36:35 | elcaste | november.. |
| 02:36:37 | DerPapst | elcaste: identify your iPod here: http://ipodlinux.org/Generations |
| 02:36:41 | master_of | how many people agree that a rockbox build for the ipod touch/iphone would be awesome? |
| 02:36:47 | elcaste | i do.. |
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| 02:37:03 | master_of | good then you can make it for me. lol |
| 02:37:25 | | Nick master_of is now known as danny_d (n=dannydut@pool-71-246-224-12.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 02:37:39 | scorche|sh | danny_d: that comment was a bit useless.. |
| 02:37:46 | elcaste | yeah... |
| 02:37:51 | elcaste | mine is a 6th generation :( |
| 02:38:09 | scorche|sh | elcaste: but seriously, what makes you think it was a 5th generation?...i am curious as it seems others think that too, and i dont get why |
| 02:38:10 | danny_d | i know. im just mad that my 2nd gen mini broke |
| 02:38:12 | elcaste | damn..i have the .ipg archives for the games.. |
| 02:38:21 | elcaste | because.. at the firmware download page |
| 02:38:28 | scorche|sh | danny_d: well, that doesnt help |
| 02:38:28 | DerPapst | scorche: they look similar. |
| 02:38:28 | elcaste | there is a firmware for an 80gig ipod.. |
| 02:38:29 | danny_d | whats .ipg |
| 02:38:49 | elcaste | and according to me.. theres only 1 version of 80gig.. |
| 02:38:55 | elcaste | but know i see it isnt.. :) |
| 02:39:05 | elcaste | there is a 5th gen 80gig |
| 02:39:08 | scorche|sh | elcaste: oh...so you went by size and just assumed it was 5th gen and didnt see the "not the classic" part? |
| 02:39:15 | scorche|sh | yes there is |
| 02:39:25 | scorche|sh | danny_d: it is offtopic...thats what ;) |
| 02:39:25 | elcaste | yeah.. kinda that.. |
| 02:39:30 | elcaste | i skipped the classic thing. |
| 02:39:43 | danny_d | "elcastedamn..i have the .ipg archives for the games.." |
| 02:39:45 | elcaste | .ipg is the format of the games for the ipod |
| 02:39:49 | danny_d | oh |
| 02:39:53 | danny_d | ha |
| 02:39:59 | elcaste | its the game.. |
| 02:40:04 | * | scorche|sh sighs |
| 02:40:05 | danny_d | I Pod Games |
| 02:40:16 | elcaste | just that for you to be able to pass it to the ipod.. you need to verify it.. |
| 02:40:20 | elcaste | well via itunes.. |
| 02:40:21 | danny_d | wow way to make me feel retarded |
| 02:40:27 | elcaste | if i had rockbox.. something else would be |
| 02:40:45 | elcaste | :s know any way scorche? |
| 02:40:51 | scorche|sh | nope |
| 02:41:24 | elcaste | damn... so if i want bomberman on my ipod i need to or either search for a good hax.. or wait for rockbox work on classic, or buy it... |
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| 02:41:56 | elcaste | rockbox working on g6 ipods? |
| 02:42:00 | scorche|sh | i suppose, but if you arent talking about rockbox, then itis offtopic here |
| 02:42:05 | DerPapst | no. |
| 02:42:15 | scorche|sh | is it on that list that i asked you to look at earlier? |
| 02:42:27 | DerPapst | buy it. then you can play it this milleninum |
| 02:42:54 | danny_d | did anyone happen to get the free Hitman movie off iTunes? i did. it happened about a week ago. there were two listing for it in the browse section: free and Buy |
| 02:43:06 | danny_d | pretty crappy movie |
| 02:43:08 | krazykit | danny_d, that's offtopic. |
| 02:43:10 | danny_d | but free |
| 02:43:12 | elcaste | lol |
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| 02:43:21 | scorche|sh | danny_d: seriously...this is liek your 3rd warning to stay on topic |
| 02:43:26 | danny_d | k |
| 02:43:52 | elcaste | how long do you think it would take for rockbox be able to be installed on 6g ipods¿? |
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| 02:43:58 | krazykit | elcaste, there is no timeline |
| 02:44:19 | scorche|sh | elcaste: well, at current rates, an infinite time (there isnt anyone working on it) |
| 02:44:21 | DerPapst | encryption has to be cracked before. and that might never happen |
| 02:44:22 | krazykit | rockbox ports are made by interested owners in their free time, so it's impossible to say when it might be ported. as it is, no one is working on it. |
| 02:44:30 | Makuseru | ill just be glad when the Gigabeat S is fully supported! |
| 02:44:36 | danny_d | elcaste: until builders can get a deep look at the current firmware |
| 02:44:45 | scorche|sh | danny_d: it is much more than that |
| 02:44:51 | * | DerPapst thinks the beast works pretty well already |
| 02:44:58 | Makuseru | does it? |
| 02:44:59 | scorche|sh | and it wont happen by itself |
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| 02:45:08 | danny_d | scorche: how much more? |
| 02:45:20 | DerPapst | battery life could be better.. and maybe some keymaps.. but it's usable already |
| 02:45:23 | Makuseru | i dont have one, i have a F, waiting untilll S is fully supported to buy one |
| 02:45:34 | scorche|sh | danny_d: it is a lot of work that is currently being done by no one |
| 02:45:42 | DerPapst | get one as long as they're available and cheap |
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| 02:46:03 | Makuseru | how much do they run for? |
| 02:46:22 | danny_d | yeah but instead of updating unpopular builds, they should focus on newer models |
| 02:46:58 | krazykit | danny_d, who? there is no rockbox "team" |
| 02:47:15 | DerPapst | got mine for ~90USD a 60GB one |
| 02:47:17 | scorche|sh | danny_d: i disagree...doing something that helps one device is not nearly as nice as something that effects all devices....people do what they want to work on |
| 02:47:38 | scorche|sh | danny_d: rockbox would be useless on any new devices if it was not stable first |
| 02:48:14 | DerPapst | danny_d: if you think progress isn'T fast enough get some clue and join development :-) |
| 02:48:48 | Makuseru | DerPapst: wow, ill probably pick one up then. where did you get it from? |
| 02:48:59 | DerPapst | US ebay |
| 02:49:05 | danny_d | if i made a build, i wouldn't build it just so i could make an unpopular build. i would rather contribute to the project by making popular builds for popular models |
| 02:49:18 | webguest93 | support request: when playing the asteroids game, my sansa e200 dropped back to the sandisk bootup screen, and is unresponsive to button presses or attaching to computer |
| 02:49:32 | Makuseru | DerPapst: what kind of battery life is it getting? |
| 02:49:57 | DerPapst | haven't mesured. but i guess less than 10hours |
| 02:50:05 | Makuseru | thats still not bad |
| 02:50:22 | Makuseru | my T is getting about 12-14 |
| 02:50:30 | DerPapst | in the OF? |
| 02:50:39 | danny_d | (cont) not some 10 year old mp3 player that very little if not no one uses |
| 02:50:42 | Makuseru | im sorry, but "OF"? |
| 02:50:50 | Makuseru | originial firmware? |
| 02:50:54 | DerPapst | yes |
| 02:50:58 | Makuseru | no, in rockbox |
| 02:51:14 | * | DerPapst didn't know rockbox supports the T |
| 02:51:30 | Makuseru | haha |
| 02:51:31 | Makuseru | my bad |
| 02:51:33 | Makuseru | F |
| 02:51:33 | scorche|sh | danny_d: you arent making any sense...no rockbox target is 10 years old and we have devices that are quite popular |
| 02:51:38 | DerPapst | heh.. ok :-) |
| 02:51:42 | Makuseru | lol |
| 02:51:45 | danny_d | Archos Recorder v1 for example. |
| 02:51:46 | Makuseru | is there a T? |
| 02:51:57 | DerPapst | iirc yes. |
| 02:52:07 | scorche|sh | danny_d: which is not 10 years old....are you suggesting we should just drop it for no reason? |
| 02:52:08 | Makuseru | ah, well i have a F40 and i LOVE rockbox on it |
| 02:52:12 | DerPapst | the batteries in the gigabeats are ways to smal imo |
| 02:52:52 | danny_d | no i am not suggesting dropping it, but instead do fewer new builds and turn the work towards supporting more devices |
| 02:53:00 | scorche|sh | danny_d: rockbox is mostly the same across all targets...most changes affect most of the devices |
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| 02:53:49 | DerPapst | and builds are made for every checkin. by some powerful buildservers automated. so no waste of time there |
| 02:53:55 | scorche|sh | danny_d: you still arent making any sense...so we shouldnt make efforts to fix bugs and make rockbox more stable so that we can instead port a very buggy firmware with very few features to many many devices? |
| 02:54:37 | danny_d | i think im misunderstanding. changes are given to every device? not built individualy? |
| 02:54:53 | scorche|sh | < scorche|sh> danny_d: rockbox is mostly the same across all targets...most changes affect most of the devices |
| 02:54:58 | DerPapst | yes. one cange many builds |
| 02:55:16 | danny_d | oh. i feel like a jackass |
| 02:55:21 | danny_d | now |
| 02:55:42 | Makuseru | lol |
| 02:55:55 | DerPapst | they share the GUI and playback system (swcodec) but have a different "driver layer" |
| 02:56:01 | scorche|sh | perhaps you should bother to find out a bit more about things before you try to argue things about them |
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| 02:57:17 | danny_d | so from what you people are saying, there is no stable version for any device? |
| 02:57:44 | Llorean | There is very little "stable" software in the world. |
| 02:57:50 | DerPapst | there is no bugfree software |
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| 02:58:21 | TheGazR | bugfree software is a developers fantasy |
| 02:58:45 | DerPapst | even hello world programs can be buggy if the compiler messes something up |
| 02:59:18 | danny_d | the Archos Recorder v1 is alittle over 6 years old. oops |
| 02:59:30 | danny_d | according to wikipedia |
| 02:59:36 | scorche|sh | < scorche|sh> perhaps you should bother to find out a bit more about things before you try to argue things about them |
| 02:59:39 | scorche|sh | ;) |
| 02:59:42 | danny_d | yes |
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| 03:00:19 | TheGazR | I have a random question about Rockbox if I may? |
| 03:00:48 | DerPapst | no. questiontime is over for today |
| 03:01:06 | TheGazR | Aww, please :'( ;) |
| 03:01:08 | danny_d | has story time begin? |
| 03:01:19 | danny_d | begun? |
| 03:01:21 | * | DerPapst points to the "do not ask to ask" rule in the irc guidelines |
| 03:01:31 | danny_d | k |
| 03:01:47 | elcaste | scorche thank you a lot for your help |
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| 03:02:05 | TheGazR | The device I will try and get RockBOX ported to over the summer currently has a remote control, if drivers were coded properly, would the rockBOX build be able to support it? |
| 03:02:13 | elcaste | now i will stop wasting time on installing rockbox on a 6th generation.. |
| 03:02:20 | elcaste | laters take care |
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| 03:02:30 | DerPapst | TheGazR: yes. rockbox already supports remote controls |
| 03:02:36 | TheGazR | Ahh, sweet |
| 03:02:59 | DerPapst | for iAudio and iriver |
| 03:03:17 | krazykit | and gigabeat |
| 03:03:20 | DerPapst | you "just" have to write the driver for it :-P |
| 03:03:45 | TheGazR | I was a little worried. My device has so many extra gadgets, video out for instance, it's going to be a nightmare writing drivers for handling it all :( |
| 03:03:53 | DerPapst | it supports remotes with display and without |
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| 03:04:16 | DerPapst | but no video out. |
| 03:04:25 | DerPapst | what device is it? |
| 03:04:52 | krazykit | the angora vx435? |
| 03:04:55 | TheGazR | Well, it's some dodgy Japanese one called Reddmango Angora vx435 |
| 03:04:57 | TheGazR | Yeah |
| 03:05:03 | TheGazR | How did you know? |
| 03:05:13 | TheGazR | the forums? |
| 03:05:16 | DerPapst | crystal balls n stuff |
| 03:05:26 | krazykit | i added your name to twiki and just saw the thread in the forums :) |
| 03:05:37 | TheGazR | yeah, well spotted :) |
| 03:06:04 | krazykit | i must say, best of luck! it looks like a nice device. |
| 03:06:05 | TheGazR | Not many people seem to have the device, so it's going to be a busy summer for me I guess |
| 03:06:40 | TheGazR | Thank you! yeah! It was an excellent price £50 ($100) it has a 120Gb HDD too, but absolutely dire firmware |
| 03:08:05 | Renfield | Hey. |
| 03:08:26 | TheGazR | Hello |
| 03:08:38 | Renfield | I just purchased a Samsung P2. Looks like there isn't current work going on to develop Rockbox for that platform. |
| 03:09:50 | Renfield | There's some mention that it is similar to the Cowon D2. |
| 03:09:58 | Renfield | But the LCD screen is different. |
| 03:10:13 | * | DerPapst hopes for TheGazR that this thing doesn't have stupid encryption... |
| 03:10:51 | Renfield | How would I obtain the documentation for this device? |
| 03:11:29 | danny_d | angenehme nachtruhe! |
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| 03:11:57 | Renfield | Did I say something stupid? |
| 03:12:13 | TheGazR | Please be patient Renfield |
| 03:12:41 | TheGazR | Derpapst: I'm confused :S :P |
| 03:12:49 | Renfield | Oh. I just didn't know what danny_d said. |
| 03:13:19 | DerPapst | TheGazR: never devices tend to have encrypted firmwares making it hard to port rockbox to them if not impossible |
| 03:13:26 | DerPapst | *newer |
| 03:13:56 | DerPapst | Renfield: something like "good night" |
| 03:14:11 | TheGazR | yeah, if my German is what it used to be, he is saying sleep well |
| 03:14:31 | Renfield | Oh. |
| 03:14:55 | * | DerPapst should probably go to bed too. |
| 03:15:00 | DerPapst | already 3:15am |
| 03:15:17 | TheGazR | Derpapst: That's not good news to hear. I hope for my sake it doesn't. Is there any way to tell? |
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| 03:15:49 | DerPapst | depends on your device. can you copy the firmware of this thing? |
| 03:15:51 | TheGazR | It's such a good device, and it has so much potential, that it's just all being wasted by god-awful firmware |
| 03:16:15 | TheGazR | I have managed to download a firmware version off the internet |
| 03:16:36 | TheGazR | I don't know if I can copy the firmware directly from the device or not though |
| 03:16:48 | TheGazR | It doesn't have a bootloader mode that I am aware of |
| 03:16:49 | DerPapst | and maybe run it through a disassembler.... valid arm code good, weird looking one stoping to disassemble after some instructions -> bad |
| 03:17:32 | DerPapst | you shoudl check if it has some kind of recovery mode incase something wents wrong |
| 03:17:38 | TheGazR | I did a brief google search for a .bin dissembler, I couldn't find anything |
| 03:18:16 | TheGazR | my god, that spelling was awful, I appoligise, disassambler* |
| 03:19:03 | DerPapst | arm-elf-objdump |
| 03:19:20 | DerPapst | and if you're rich enough IDA Pro :-P |
| 03:21:04 | TheGazR | heh! That's a laugh, I'm a student |
| 03:23:15 | DerPapst | well. then arm-elf-objdump :-P |
| 03:26:17 | TheGazR | Where do I find that? A google search wasn't much use |
| 03:26:21 | TheGazR | Is it freeware? |
| 03:26:31 | TheGazR | Or is it something that's linux based? |
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| 03:28:59 | krazykit | TheGazR, it's in svn, in the utils/ directory |
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| 03:29:12 | DerPapst | it belongs to the gnu c compiler |
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| 03:29:48 | DerPapst | just svn co rockbox and run tools/rockboxdev.sh to compile the toolchain |
| 03:30:10 | TheGazR | Ok, |
| 03:31:03 | * | DerPapst hopes he didn't say sometjhing entirely wrong :-) |
| 03:31:14 | saratoga55 | or better yet read teh developers wiki: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ObjdumpGuide |
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| 03:37:03 | TheGazR | I just have a horrible feeling that it's going to be a complete disaster trying to port RB to this device. I don't ever get any luck :p |
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| 03:53:52 | TheGazR | What amazes me is how you guys manage this |
| 03:54:13 | TheGazR | some very generous people in this community |
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| 04:13:52 | TheGazR | DerPapst? |
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| 04:54:43 | TheGazR | Is anybody there? |
| 04:55:25 | scorche | 124 users... |
| 04:55:38 | TheGazR | heh |
| 04:55:58 | TheGazR | I'm a bit confused as to what was talked about earlier |
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| 04:56:49 | krazykit | what about, specifically? |
| 04:57:03 | TheGazR | the "good arm code" |
| 04:58:45 | krazykit | i think he meant if the disassembler outputs valid arm instructions, it's unencrypted. if it outputs garbage you have an encrypted firmware. |
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| 05:00:41 | TheGazR | Well, I'm not sure how to dissamble it really |
| 05:01:57 | TheGazR | totally confused |
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| 05:03:58 | TheGazR | disassemble* |
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| 05:08:39 | TheGazR | Ahh well! I'm going to bed, G'night fellow RockBoxers |
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| 05:57:31 | mavsman4457 | Hey guys I'm really new, is there a place that I can find a list of all the games for rockbox? |
| 05:57:48 | scorche | by going to plugins and then to games |
| 05:57:55 | scorche | the manual doesnt hurt either |
| 05:58:36 | mavsman4457 | where does it say plugins? |
| 05:58:41 | mavsman4457 | i'm at extras right now |
| 05:58:50 | scorche | i am referring to on the device itself |
| 05:59:34 | mavsman4457 | oh ok but for downloading should i just go to the guide then look at the games from there? |
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| 06:00:12 | krazykit | all of the games are included with the builds. |
| 06:00:33 | mavsman4457 | oh ok i didn't catch that part, i haven't actually installed the software yet |
| 06:02:52 | mavsman4457 | scorche, so there is no nes emulator? |
| 06:02:58 | scorche | no |
| 06:03:08 | Llorean | People have worked on one, but nobody interested in it has finished the work |
| 06:03:49 | mavsman4457 | gotcha thanks |
| 06:04:33 | mavsman4457 | is there anything that you think is really cool about rockbox that you think i should know before i get started? |
| 06:04:51 | mavsman4457 | i've already got all of the themes |
| 06:05:04 | cool_walking_ | Why would you want all of the themes? |
| 06:05:15 | scorche | well, "cool" is a subjective term...pick your own cool things: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 06:05:41 | mavsman4457 | so i can figure out which one i like the best |
| 06:06:16 | mavsman4457 | and of course cool is a subjective term but that's what i'm looking for |
| 06:06:41 | mavsman4457 | that's why i said "you think" |
| 06:07:26 | mavsman4457 | alright that feature list is pretty good i guess |
| 06:07:27 | mavsman4457 | thanks |
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| 09:01:44 | JdGordon | holy new port batman! |
| 09:02:01 | B4gder | amen |
| 09:02:04 | * | B4gder misses the mail |
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| 09:05:15 | petur | \o/ |
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| 09:14:32 | Llorean | Yeah, what's this about a new port? |
| 09:16:14 | JdGordon | front page... |
| 09:16:24 | B4gder | we want mail! |
| 09:16:36 | Llorean | Ah, my RSS reader hasn't picked it up yet. |
| 09:16:56 | JdGordon | "ladies and genetlemen... we apparently have a new port that is working that none of us knew about!.. uh.. congrats?!" :D |
| 09:17:12 | Llorean | He's been updating in the forums. |
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| 09:21:57 | JdGordon | I guess noone here has had a play with the trigger screen patch? |
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| 09:25:25 | petur | sorry, no time at all :( |
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| 09:27:08 | JdGordon | no worries |
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| 09:41:51 | JdGordon | why dont the talk functions check to make sure voice menus is on instead of the calling funcitons? |
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| 09:45:50 | pondlife | JdGordon: I moved those checks inward somewhat a while back - I can't remember why but I think there was a reason... |
| 09:46:45 | pondlife | If you do dig in there, make sure you respect the temporary voice disabling stuff (for recording, mainly)... |
| 09:47:05 | JdGordon | so it should be checking to make sure we want to voice? |
| 09:47:26 | pondlife | I'd be happy for all such checks to be internal to the voice code, if possible. |
| 09:47:51 | pondlife | Higher levels/UI should be able to call regardless |
| 09:48:35 | pondlife | It may be that there's a talk API that's used by both file spelling and voice menus, and won't know the context... can't remember |
| 09:48:57 | JdGordon | agreed, just thought it was wierd it was talking when the setting was disabled in some new code |
| 09:49:17 | pondlife | Where is this? |
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| 09:55:42 | JdGordon | fs#8989, calls to talk_id... |
| 09:55:48 | JdGordon | anyway, i gtg now |
| 09:55:57 | pondlife | OK |
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| 10:03:10 | LinusN | JdGordon: that's because the talk functions don't know what is being voiced, the "voice menus" and "voice directories" settings are separate |
| 10:03:48 | LinusN | so talk_id() can be called to voice a menu item, or to spell a file name |
| 10:04:06 | LinusN | so it won't know which setting to check |
| 10:04:21 | LinusN | that's why the check isn't performed in talk_id() |
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| 10:32:44 | pondlife | Quick lang question - if I want to change the word "Playback" to be "Playback Settings", and I change the english.lang <source> and <dest>, do I need to update all other lang files <source> too? |
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| 10:33:13 | pondlife | Or is the ID enough to tie them together? |
| 10:33:23 | amiconn | pondlife: No, you rather should *not* do that |
| 10:33:43 | pondlife | So... what should I do? Add a new block? |
| 10:34:14 | pondlife | LANG_PLAYBACK is only used in the one place. |
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| 10:42:46 | amiconn | You should only change english.lang if you're not going to update the translations for real |
| 10:43:19 | amiconn | <source> being different from english.lang is the hint for the translator that the phrase has changed |
| 10:45:31 | pondlife | OK, so I should just update english.lang then, as the phrase has changed slightly. |
| 10:45:34 | pondlife | ? |
| 10:45:55 | petur | yes |
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| 10:50:52 | pondlife | Hmm, we have two menus - playlist_options and playlist_settings... |
| 10:50:54 | amiconn | jhMikeS: ffs? |
| 10:53:00 | * | pondlife took a while to realise that ffs probably isn't an expression of annoyance here. |
| 10:54:23 | pondlife | Flash File System? |
| 10:54:37 | jhMikeS | find first set bit (in constant time) |
| 10:55:48 | jhMikeS | that big red delta is a big oops (stack size increase for testing got left) :p |
| 10:56:27 | B4gder | :-) |
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| 11:23:58 | pondlife | pixelma: Would you like to try http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9019 on one of the more limited-buttoned targets some time? |
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| 11:39:58 | pixelma | pondlife: yes, I'd like to try on my Ondio |
| 11:40:47 | pondlife | I didn't add a "Quick Screen" option, do you think that would be worthwhile for button-limited targets? Or should the inclusion of Playback Settings cover enough? |
| 11:42:30 | pixelma | I didn't understand that part of proposal. What would a "Quick Screen" option do? |
| 11:42:38 | pondlife | Show the quick screen! |
| 11:42:47 | pondlife | A slow quick screen, if you will |
| 11:43:01 | pondlife | I don't like the idea much to be honest |
| 11:43:18 | pondlife | But thought you might find it useful - my targets all have enough buttons. |
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| 11:46:33 | pixelma | so that would only be an "option" for targets without the quick screen? Or rather only for the Ondio... (because the player can't have a quick screen anyways). It would also be WPS quick screen only then and thinking of it... the quick screen is not included in the Ondio builds currently. I don't think that's worth it. |
| 11:47:41 | pondlife | I agree |
| 11:48:04 | pondlife | Thanks for your input though |
| 11:49:45 | pixelma | and I lived without the quick screen for so long and since the addition of the "Insert Shuffled" on directories don't miss it much - more like forgetting all the time that this thing exists when I use one of my other targets which came all way later. Having the playback option in the WPS context menu is enough (in my eyes and by the sounds of it, will try) |
| 11:51:21 | pondlife | I'll give it a couple of days before I commit it (while I buy some armour to protect me against the 6 study mode/EQ fans)... |
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| 11:53:50 | Sjano | hi |
| 11:54:00 | pixelma | lo |
| 11:54:22 | Sjano | how can i add, edit and remove music in the rockbox database? |
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| 11:59:29 | pixelma | Sjano: re"initialise" or "update" it. Maybe enable the "auto-update" but that's said to only work reasonably fast with dircache enabled and the database loaded to RAM. I don't know what you want to edit... |
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| 12:01:06 | Sjano | edit id tags on the music |
| 12:01:14 | pixelma | and also: what player do you have? |
| 12:01:22 | Sjano | ipod v5 60GB |
| 12:01:58 | pixelma | Sjano: there's no ID3 editor in Rockbox, you can only do that from a PC |
| 12:02:14 | Sjano | i tried to update database, but it just didn't do anything but taking a long while. |
| 12:02:31 | moos | Sjano: the onlly id tag that you can edit "on the fly" is the rating info one, no more |
| 12:03:47 | Sjano | how can i see the location of the music? since my ipod has like 7000 files and the rockbox finds like 9500 music files? and most of them are songs i've deleted and duplicates |
| 12:03:56 | pixelma | that's not an ID3 tag though, only stored in Rockbox's database |
| 12:04:40 | moos | Sjano: like pixelma said you, that need an update |
| 12:05:32 | pixelma | Sjano: in the WPS context menu there is an option to view track info, one entry shows you the path too. |
| 12:06:08 | Sjano | Update rockbox itself? but i think i got the latest,,,, and update database? well, it doesn't find anything new or update the id tags i've made on files... in other words it dont work |
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| 12:07:11 | moos | Sjano: you can try to delete the database files stored on the .rockbox folder, and then recreate a new one.... |
| 12:07:17 | Sjano | where do i find wps context menu? |
| 12:07:34 | pixelma | you might want to empty the recycle bin (or run the disktidy plugin). Maybe read the manual a bit... ;) |
| 12:07:41 | * | moos points to Snajo the rockbox manual ;) |
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| 12:18:35 | preglow | anyone opposed to commiting the mod codec? |
| 12:19:26 | Llorean | The actual codec one? |
| 12:19:30 | preglow | yes |
| 12:20:12 | Llorean | I've got no lined up objections, at least. |
| 12:20:24 | moos | preglow: please do |
| 12:20:49 | * | pixelma only hopes that committing it, gives more incentive to improve it |
| 12:21:04 | preglow | i'll commit it soon if there are no objections, i'm aware it has issues, but those will be easier revoled when it's in |
| 12:21:11 | moos | pixelma: let's hope so |
| 12:21:20 | preglow | this won't be the first time we have non-perfect code in svn |
| 12:21:41 | moos | by far even :) |
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| 12:30:58 | feyd2blak | Hi Guys.....just wondering if anyone else is having problems with the auto-change directory option??? |
| 12:31:38 | feyd2blak | I reinstalled rockbox three days ago |
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| 12:33:51 | merl1 | does rockbox support id3v2.4 tags and utf8 ? |
| 12:34:00 | markun | it should |
| 12:34:14 | markun | did you have a problem with your tags? |
| 12:34:45 | merl1 | i have not tested my id3v2.4 tags yet |
| 12:34:49 | merl1 | but soon |
| 12:38:53 | pixelma | feyd2blak: what problems do you mean exactly? What player do you have? And how do you start playback - from the database or file browser? |
| 12:40:57 | feyd2blak | sorry, my fault....gigabeat f20, I start play fron file always |
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| 12:41:23 | feyd2blak | i set the auto-change dir option in the sttings and still no go.... |
| 12:41:46 | feyd2blak | do i have to adjust a setting in database???? |
| 12:43:09 | pixelma | no... do you have "repeat" enabled? |
| 12:45:35 | feyd2blak | yup i did....how dumb am i....thank you saved me much trauma |
| 12:48:57 | feyd2blak | thanks again pixelma |
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| 12:58:04 | preglow | now, if i could only remember my svn password... |
| 12:58:54 | preglow | svn has no way to login like cvs has, no? so i can try out multiple combinations without actually trying to commit all the time |
| 12:59:31 | dionoea | not that i know. |
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| 13:00:35 | gevaerts | You could try svn lock/unlock |
| 13:03:27 | preglow | gah, bollocks |
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| 13:13:27 | TheGazR | Good afternoon |
| 13:13:35 | preglow | i assume the password isn't stored in clear text some place where i already have a working svn setup? |
| 13:14:06 | TheGazR | How do I disassemble the binary firmware file for my device? |
| 13:14:07 | dionoea | kind of: ~/.subversion/auth/ |
| 13:14:15 | TheGazR | I was told last night, but I was too tired to understand |
| 13:14:36 | dionoea | but those are only hashes as far as i can tell |
| 13:15:00 | preglow | yeah, i expected there to only be hashes, but that might do, actually |
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| 13:27:42 | TheGazR | I've searched on the forums, and I can't find anything :( |
| 13:28:36 | preglow | depends what tools you have |
| 13:28:42 | preglow | objdump will do, ida pro is the best, but isn't free |
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| 13:30:45 | TheGazR | IDA Pro is part of my University course apparently, so I have access to it |
| 13:31:42 | TheGazR | but I won't be able to get access until a few days time |
| 13:31:46 | TheGazR | What's objdump? |
| 13:32:13 | TheGazR | And how do I use it more importantly. |
| 13:35:09 | preglow | if you have ida pro, use that. as for what objdump is, google is your friend |
| 13:36:36 | TheGazR | Hold on, I'll see if it's on a software CD I was given at the beginning of the eyar |
| 13:37:53 | TheGazR | It is, it says version 5.2, is that the current one? :S |
| 13:38:17 | TheGazR | lemme just install it |
| 13:41:54 | TheGazR | Ok! I've installed it |
| 13:42:01 | TheGazR | Thanks for your patients |
| 13:44:51 | TheGazR | This software looks complicated :| |
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| 13:48:34 | TheGazR | Ok, so I've dragged the file into the main area, now it's come up with a dialog box asking me stuff |
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| 13:55:32 | preglow | it is complicated, but really, if you are going to get any place at all with disassembling, you should understand what is happening |
| 13:56:10 | TheGazR | Yeah, I have a unit on it in 2 years time, so I hope to get a good start |
| 13:58:18 | TheGazR | I was told I had to do this to check to see if the firmware was encrypted or not, so. |
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| 14:05:53 | TheGazR | Ok, so I have done that, I now have a lot of information on the screen |
| 14:05:55 | TheGazR | ROM:00000000 DCB 0x1C |
| 14:05:55 | TheGazR | ROM:00000001 DCB 0 |
| 14:05:55 | TheGazR | ROM:00000002 DCB 0 |
| 14:05:55 | DBUG | Sent KICK TheGazR to server |
| 14:05:55 | TheGazR | ROM:00000003 DCB 0xEA ; Û |
| 14:05:55 | TheGazR | ROM:00000004 DCB 0x1C |
| 14:05:55 | Kick | (#rockbox TheGazR :No flooding!) by logbot_!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0b6290880621a923 |
| 14:06:04 | petur | haha! |
| 14:06:09 | advcomp2019 | lol |
| 14:06:21 | * | gevaerts pats logbot_ on the back |
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| 14:07:58 | TheGazR | Oops |
| 14:08:33 | gevaerts | TheGazR: use a pastebin |
| 14:12:46 | TheGazR | Ok, I think I've done this right |
| 14:12:52 | TheGazR | ROM:00000000 ; Segment type: Pure code |
| 14:12:52 | TheGazR | ROM:00000000 AREA ROM, CODE, READWRITE, ALIGN=0 |
| 14:12:52 | TheGazR | ROM:00000000 CODE32 |
| 14:12:52 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 14:12:52 | DBUG | sent MODE #rockbox +b *!*i=TheGazR@*.d.port.ac.uk |
| 14:12:52 | DBUG | Sent KICK TheGazR to server |
| 14:12:52 | TheGazR | ROM:00000000 DCB 0x1C |
| 14:12:52 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 14:12:52 | TheGazR | ROM:00000001 DCB 0 |
| 14:12:52 | Mode | "#rockbox +b *!*i=TheGazR@*.d.port.ac.uk " by logbot_ (n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0b6290880621a923) |
| 14:12:52 | Kick | (#rockbox TheGazR :No flooding!) by logbot_!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0b6290880621a923 |
| 14:12:52 | *** | Alert Mode level 3 |
| 14:13:01 | mcuelenaere | :P |
| 14:13:23 | * | gevaerts now also sees a +b, and decides never to flood twice |
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| 14:14:39 | TheGazR | I suck :( |
| 14:14:42 | TheGazR | http://www.mirc.net/paste/?1715# |
| 14:14:49 | TheGazR | see if that works instead :S |
| 14:15:12 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: select the first line and press "C" |
| 14:15:14 | mcuelenaere | in IDA |
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| 14:15:29 | Mode | "#rockbox -b *!*i=TheGazR@*.d.port.ac.uk " by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 14:15:46 | Mode | "#rockbox -o B4gder " by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 14:16:09 | TheGazR | Ok, I have done that |
| 14:16:09 | * | gevaerts thinks that logbot bans are too narrow :) |
| 14:16:27 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: what code does it yield now? |
| 14:16:39 | B4gder | gevaerts: they are, they were written in a different time |
| 14:17:14 | gevaerts | Probably a lot more multiuser machines around back then |
| 14:17:40 | preglow | TheGazR: make sure you set ida pro to use the processor the firmware is written in |
| 14:17:52 | preglow | it defaults to x86, or something |
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| 14:18:28 | TheGazR | Yeah, I'm 90% sure it uses the ARM Processor |
| 14:19:01 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: does IDA gives any useful code? |
| 14:20:00 | TheGazR | It's giving out some code on the right |
| 14:20:12 | mcuelenaere | could you pastebin it? |
| 14:21:30 | TheGazR | http://www.mirc.net/paste/?1716 |
| 14:22:26 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: hint, you can go to Options->General and turn 'Autocommenting' on |
| 14:22:53 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 14:24:43 | TheGazR | http://www.mirc.net/paste/?1717 |
| 14:25:15 | mcuelenaere | to me it seems as non-garbage code, so I don't think the FW image is encrypted.. |
| 14:25:38 | mcuelenaere | do you know at which memory address this code is loaded? |
| 14:25:50 | TheGazR | No |
| 14:25:58 | TheGazR | How do I tell? |
| 14:26:31 | mcuelenaere | the player is the Angora VX435, right? |
| 14:26:42 | TheGazR | Yeah |
| 14:26:58 | mcuelenaere | maybe it is mentioned in the datasheet |
| 14:27:28 | mcuelenaere | are there any other datasheets available except the one linked at in the forum thread? |
| 14:27:39 | TheGazR | I can't find one |
| 14:27:48 | TheGazR | I did extensive searching, couldn't find a single thing :( |
| 14:28:03 | mcuelenaere | hmm, it could be they're NDA-ed :( |
| 14:28:19 | TheGazR | NDA-ed |
| 14:28:19 | TheGazR | ? |
| 14:28:43 | mcuelenaere | NDA=Non Disclosure Agreement; it means you have to sign a contract in order to read them |
| 14:29:28 | TheGazR | Oh I see |
| 14:31:07 | TheGazR | http://gazr88.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/e235_board_front.jpg |
| 14:32:00 | mcuelenaere | http://www.cheluck.com/Soft/ShowSoftDown.asp?UrlID=1&SoftID=7 -> should be a (leaked?) EM8510 datasheet |
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| 14:33:39 | TheGazR | heh! My google searching sucks |
| 14:33:44 | TheGazR | Well found |
| 14:34:07 | mcuelenaere | have you already made a wiki page? |
| 14:34:16 | TheGazR | I wasn't sure how |
| 14:34:30 | TheGazR | I'm signed up on the twiki and activated |
| 14:34:34 | TheGazR | I couldn't see where to go though |
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| 14:35:08 | * | gevaerts spots an Ali chip. This could be tricky |
| 14:35:13 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AngoraVX435 |
| 14:35:27 | mcuelenaere | just type in a name and it will ask you if you want to create a new page |
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| 14:38:34 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: ali.com.tw mentions "USB2.0 On-The-Go IDE Device Controller", does this mean it only supports the HDD? (so no fancy USB stuff) |
| 14:39:17 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: no idea, but as I understand it Ali datasheets are (nearly?) impossible to get |
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| 14:39:56 | mcuelenaere | hmm, this will require reverse engineering.. |
| 14:40:24 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: another hint for IDA: press SHIFT-F12 -> this will bring up the Strings window |
| 14:41:30 | mcuelenaere | + right clicking in it and selecting "Setup.." lets you refine the selection of strings |
| 14:42:04 | amiconn | hmpf |
| 14:46:45 | TheGazR | Ok, yeah! I've got to the setup bit |
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| 14:48:06 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: see something interesting? |
| 14:48:39 | TheGazR | Yeah, about a million different strings |
| 14:48:47 | mcuelenaere | readable ones? |
| 14:48:51 | TheGazR | most of them |
| 14:48:56 | mcuelenaere | nice |
| 14:49:02 | TheGazR | There is some gobbledegook in there too though |
| 14:49:14 | mcuelenaere | do you know a bit about reverse engineering/ARM architecture? |
| 14:49:55 | TheGazR | A miniscule of information, |
| 14:50:09 | TheGazR | Nowhere near enough for a project of this magnitude just yet |
| 14:50:21 | mcuelenaere | you'll pick up quickly |
| 14:51:03 | TheGazR | I hope so |
| 14:51:35 | mcuelenaere | Is it allowed to a (probably leaked) datasheet on the Rockbox wiki? |
| 14:51:38 | TheGazR | As I stated yesterday, the device I'm using has so much potential, but it's being massivly let down by it's firmware, so Rockbox is definately the way to go |
| 14:51:44 | mcuelenaere | to link to* |
| 14:52:46 | petur | mcuelenaere: not sure about linking, certainly not hosting |
| 14:53:13 | TheGazR | I'm not sure either, this file has confidential written all over it |
| 14:53:16 | mcuelenaere | yes, I guessed the part about hosting surely isn't possible |
| 14:53:42 | petur | btw, this channel is logged so we're linking to it already ;) |
| 14:53:49 | mcuelenaere | but does anybody know about linking to? (are there other wiki pages who do the same)? |
| 14:54:11 | mcuelenaere | petur: yes I know, that's why I was considering giving the link only privately to TheGazR :) |
| 14:54:37 | petur | is it clear that it is leaked? |
| 14:55:05 | mcuelenaere | like TheGazR said, it got "CONFIDENTIAL" written all over it; so I suppose it is.. |
| 14:56:00 | mcuelenaere | and the original site is in Chinese/Japanese/.. so I can't get any useful information out it |
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| 14:56:44 | TheGazR | I guess that's the biggest problem with the dodgy cheap devices being released |
| 14:59:06 | mcuelenaere | well, since petur already said it is linked from the IRC logs so I'll paste it in the wiki page; if it turn out to be forbidden we could always remove it |
| 14:59:25 | TheGazR | Yeah, that sounds like a good idea, thank you very much. All of you :) |
| 14:59:56 | petur | yeah, we just blame the users who posted the links ;) |
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| 15:00:53 | mcuelenaere | hmm that would be me :) |
| 15:01:29 | TheGazR | Well, you did the hard work searching for it, it would be rude not to let you take the posting honours ;) |
| 15:01:48 | TheGazR | ...I'm all heart like that |
| 15:02:14 | mcuelenaere | heh, it wasn't really *hard* work; the datasheet was at the first google result page ;) |
| 15:02:28 | TheGazR | really? I suck then :p |
| 15:02:39 | TheGazR | Usually I find stuff really quickly |
| 15:02:56 | TheGazR | Mind you, I was searching for the 11s version |
| 15:05:11 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: I updated the wiki page, can I link to the image you posted earlier? |
| 15:05:21 | TheGazR | Yeah, definately :) |
| 15:05:35 | mcuelenaere | this *is* the VX435, right? (cause the URL makes me doubt) |
| 15:05:50 | TheGazR | Yeah |
| 15:06:19 | TheGazR | The Vx435 and the Aigo e235 are the same board |
| 15:06:26 | mcuelenaere | do you have other pictures too? (e.g. back?à |
| 15:06:26 | TheGazR | I took my device apart to make sure |
| 15:06:40 | TheGazR | No, I found that picture on another site |
| 15:06:44 | TheGazR | erm, hold on |
| 15:07:22 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: are they exactly the same board? |
| 15:08:07 | TheGazR | Yeah |
| 15:08:35 | mcuelenaere | BTW: is it a VX5435 or a VX435? |
| 15:08:43 | JdGordon | LinusN: ah, ok, thanks |
| 15:08:46 | TheGazR | http://pfautsch.com/gallery/aigo_e235/Hacking_the_Aigo_E235_001 |
| 15:08:59 | TheGazR | That's the website I found the pictures from |
| 15:12:30 | TheGazR | VX435 |
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| 15:13:30 | TheGazR | Wb, Sir. |
| 15:13:32 | mcuelenaere | the aigo and the vx435 are the same devices, but only differently branded? |
| 15:13:43 | TheGazR | Yeah |
| 15:13:54 | TheGazR | The only thing that's different is the brand, and the size of the HDD |
| 15:15:11 | mcuelenaere | 160GB vs 120GB? |
| 15:15:21 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinks this aigo certainly looks like a quirky little device |
| 15:15:59 | TheGazR | No, 40Gb > 120Gb |
| 15:16:22 | mcuelenaere | "... the E235 comes in 40GB, 60GB, 80GB, 100GB, 120GB, and 160GB flavors" |
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| 15:16:36 | mcuelenaere | http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/aigo-e235-hard-drive-based-pmp-plays-vob-gets-reviewed/ |
| 15:16:38 | TheGazR | Oh right |
| 15:16:43 | TheGazR | cool |
| 15:16:55 | TheGazR | yeah, I think it's basically whatever sized laptop HDD you buy |
| 15:17:06 | TheGazR | I managed to get the 120Gb one though :) |
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| 15:17:23 | mcuelenaere | don't you have a VX435? |
| 15:17:27 | TheGazR | yeah |
| 15:17:44 | mcuelenaere | ah ok :) I thought you were saying you had the 120GB e235 |
| 15:17:46 | TheGazR | The vx435 comes in variable hdd sizes too |
| 15:18:24 | TheGazR | And thanks very much for doing the Wiki :) |
| 15:18:37 | mcuelenaere | np, you can also add some stuff if you want to :) |
| 15:19:03 | TheGazR | Yeah - I'm not sure what though :p |
| 15:19:07 | TheGazR | You've covered most of it |
| 15:19:27 | mcuelenaere | so I suppose you could exchange the firmwares, e.g. from a e235 to a VX435 and vice versa? |
| 15:19:32 | TheGazR | yeah |
| 15:19:45 | TheGazR | Except there were no firmware updates for the vx435 |
| 15:19:47 | mcuelenaere | have you tried that? |
| 15:20:00 | TheGazR | I updated the firmware for the e235 though |
| 15:20:03 | TheGazR | if that makes sense |
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| 15:20:27 | mcuelenaere | hmm, so perhaps there's no signature checking whatsoever |
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| 15:21:00 | TheGazR | weirdly though, the English version of the e235 firmware doesn't have sound (Annoyingly), but the Chinese version of the same firmware does play sound |
| 15:21:19 | TheGazR | so I'm not quite sure what's going on there |
| 15:21:24 | mcuelenaere | hmm, I suppose different hardware versions? |
| 15:21:33 | TheGazR | could be |
| 15:21:49 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: this kind of information is perfect for on the wiki ;) |
| 15:22:02 | TheGazR | heh! Thanks :p |
| 15:23:09 | mcuelenaere | wow the SoC even supports DVD CSS decryption :P |
| 15:23:29 | TheGazR | I have to be honest though - When I first started to think of the idea I had no idea I would get this much support |
| 15:23:40 | TheGazR | Yeah, this device does so much |
| 15:23:50 | TheGazR | but the simple things it's useless |
| 15:24:00 | TheGazR | 1d3 information etc |
| 15:24:32 | mcuelenaere | heh, the hardest part will still be left to you ;) |
| 15:24:41 | Makuseru | what device are you guys talking about? |
| 15:25:25 | mcuelenaere | Makuseru: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AngoraVX435 |
| 15:25:27 | TheGazR | yeah - that sort of information is best kept to yourself :'( |
| 15:25:49 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: ? |
| 15:25:56 | TheGazR | What you said a minute ago |
| 15:26:06 | TheGazR | "<mcuelenaere> heh, the hardest part will still be left to you ;)" |
| 15:26:14 | TheGazR | :P |
| 15:26:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | No, he meant not to keep the information to yourself, but you have to be the one doing a majority of the dirty work. |
| 15:26:35 | mcuelenaere | I meant the porting part, only people with the player can do that one |
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| 15:26:52 | TheGazR | haha I know, I was just messign with you :) |
| 15:27:01 | TheGazR | I have a weird sense of humour, I appoligise |
| 15:27:15 | TheGazR | On the Wiki should I link to both firmwares? English and Chinese? |
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| 15:27:28 | mcuelenaere | Yes |
| 15:27:32 | TheGazR | Ok |
| 15:27:35 | mcuelenaere | the more, the better :) |
| 15:27:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | Indeed. :) |
| 15:27:50 | TheGazR | It's certainly an excitng prospect |
| 15:27:53 | mcuelenaere | maybe you could do a binary comparison between the two files |
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| 15:31:02 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: do you know how much RAM the device has? |
| 15:31:19 | mcuelenaere | the SoC supports up to 64MB |
| 15:33:36 | JdGordon | would anyone be majorly against me commiting the trigger screen patch now it actually works? |
| 15:33:49 | JdGordon | a whopping 2 people have tried the patch |
| 15:35:06 | pixelma | I didn't try when I heard it doesn't work *goes searching the tracker* |
| 15:35:36 | Owner | Hey guys. I'm about to add a second OS to my computer (right now I have WinXP). I will be using it to work on Rockbox, so I am looking a Linux. Any suggestions as far as Red-Hat/Debian/SUSE? Also would 64 bit be a problem working on Rockbox? |
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| 15:36:04 | TheGazR | If you have little linux experiance, I would suggest Ubuntu |
| 15:36:26 | krazykit | Owner, this is a rockbox-related channel. please take your offtopic questions elsewhere. |
| 15:36:27 | TheGazR | That's said to be the best for a beginner |
| 15:36:35 | krazykit | as for the 64-bit part, it shouldn't matter as long as your toolchain compiles (which it should) |
| 15:36:43 | Owner | I don't, but I am very quick at leaning on a computer. Still Ubuntu? |
| 15:37:04 | TheGazR | well, I don't want to get in trouble for having an off topic discussion, but yes |
| 15:37:10 | Owner | oops |
| 15:38:01 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: winbond seems to say the W9812G2GH is 128MB SDRAM; are you sure the board has it twice? |
| 15:38:04 | Owner | I thought that was related...? |
| 15:38:22 | TheGazR | That's what I thought, it does seem a hell of a lot of memory for such a small device |
| 15:38:30 | TheGazR | but It has two seperate chips |
| 15:39:00 | mcuelenaere | hmm, even the datasheet for that exact chip seems to mention 128MB.. |
| 15:39:02 | petur | Owner: if you come from the windows world I'd suggest ubuntu... works great as rockbox dev platform ;) |
| 15:39:40 | Owner | thanks guys have a good one. |
| 15:39:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | Or just download the Rockbox VMware image, which is a small Debian platform set up and ready to help you do some Rockbox coding. |
| 15:40:10 | JdGordon | pixelma: 8989 |
| 15:40:44 | TheGazR | The only reason I can think of for it needing 256 is for the VOB decoding |
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| 15:41:03 | Owner | <LambdaCalculus37> it runs on Windows? Is it on the Rockbox site? |
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| 15:41:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Owner: I'll get you the link. |
| 15:41:41 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: I don't think it really needs 256MB, the datasheet mentions 8MB should be enough for DVD decoding.. |
| 15:41:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | Owner: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
| 15:41:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | You have to get VMware on your own. |
| 15:41:53 | TheGazR | Hmm, weird |
| 15:42:39 | TheGazR | 256 would power xp :| No idea, There's a sticker over the second chip (the bottom of the board in the picture) so it might not be a second chip |
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| 15:42:45 | TheGazR | but it looks to have the same reference numbers |
| 15:43:06 | Owner | OK. Thanks a lot guys. Have a good one. |
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| 15:45:00 | mcuelenaere | a Wolfson WM8751 driver is already in Rockbox, I don't know how compatible it is with the WM8750S.. |
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| 15:45:15 | pixelma | JdGordon: is it true what I think I read - that the trigger options are now on 2 lines? |
| 15:45:28 | JdGordon | yes |
| 15:45:50 | pixelma | that will be very confusing on the Archos display because you won't see all... |
| 15:45:54 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: you said you disassembled the player yourself, have you taken pictures of it? |
| 15:46:13 | JdGordon | pixelma: on the archos you could see all of them and the two bars befpre? |
| 15:46:17 | pixelma | JdGordon: Iriver remote |
| 15:46:42 | TheGazR | No, I didn't take pictures |
| 15:46:47 | TheGazR | I could do that now though |
| 15:46:54 | JdGordon | same thing.. 8 items + 2 bar lines |
| 15:47:03 | TheGazR | I didn't think it was necessary because of all the pictures on that website I linked you to |
| 15:47:30 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: more pictures are always welcome, especially since these are from the actual device |
| 15:47:45 | TheGazR | Ok |
| 15:47:50 | TheGazR | I'll take it apart again now |
| 15:48:09 | pixelma | JdGordon: no, already have to scroll the list (I'm using a 9 pixels tall font, but it'll get worse if I have to scroll 16 lines instead of 8 (I can see 4) |
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| 15:48:32 | pixelma | with an 8 pixels tall font I'd probably see 5 |
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| 15:49:30 | JdGordon | but there is no issue of not being able to read the whole line now |
| 15:53:55 | pixelma | hmm... don't know what I'd like better in this screen... :\ But I'll take a look first |
| 15:54:28 | JdGordon | either way... if thats the only issue, I still think its better than before |
| 15:54:45 | JdGordon | if its _really_ that bad we can go back to single lines though |
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| 15:57:15 | TheGazR | Ok, the device is now in pieces |
| 15:57:24 | TheGazR | I'll scan it |
| 15:57:32 | TheGazR | the board |
| 15:57:41 | TheGazR | That's what reccomended isn't it? |
| 15:57:50 | mcuelenaere | Yes |
| 15:58:41 | * | pixelma sees that JdGordon has the same problem with the ID line in the c200 keymap file |
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| 16:08:13 | JdGordon | pixelma: new version is on the tracker... im going to bed now but please try it out over night... i'd like to commit this and get onto the next thing... |
| 16:08:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | JdGordon: Good night! |
| 16:08:46 | TheGazR | Crikey this is fiddley |
| 16:09:00 | JdGordon | gnite LambdaCalculus37 :) |
| 16:16:15 | TheGazR | Ok - I was wrong |
| 16:16:22 | TheGazR | the are two seperate chips |
| 16:16:30 | TheGazR | (The ones where I thought they were the same) |
| 16:16:47 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: what's the other one? |
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| 16:17:42 | TheGazR | Hold on, I'm putting it all in a txt file |
| 16:17:48 | TheGazR | I'll blockpaste in a minute |
| 16:18:47 | mcuelenaere | .. or you could paste it in the wiki :) |
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| 16:24:22 | TheGazR | http://www.mirc.net/paste/?1719 |
| 16:24:34 | TheGazR | I'll do that too |
| 16:24:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | TheGazR: Ever see pastebin? |
| 16:25:05 | TheGazR | I don't know what that is :p |
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| 16:25:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | TheGazR: http://pastebin.com/ |
| 16:25:46 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: http://winbond-usa.com/products/winbond_products/pdfs/Memory/W19B320AT_Bc.pdf |
| 16:25:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | Much more flexible tool for pasting and showing code to people. |
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| 16:27:56 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: even more: http://pdf1.alldatasheet.co.kr/datasheet-pdf/view/206864/WINBOND/W9864G2GH-6/datasheet.pdf |
| 16:29:17 | mcuelenaere | seems to me like it's 64MB SDRAM |
| 16:30:38 | mcuelenaere | they have a 128MB *and* a 64MB SDRAM chip in there?? |
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| 16:35:10 | TheGazR | coh! Thank god for that, put it back together correctly |
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| 16:40:23 | TheGazR | mcuelenaere: Yeah, I read the numbers from the chips themselves |
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| 16:40:51 | mcuelenaere | I wonder why they need that big amount of RAM.. |
| 16:41:01 | TheGazR | yup! It is quite strange |
| 16:41:14 | TheGazR | Can only be a good thing though, surely? |
| 16:41:51 | mcuelenaere | indeed, Rockbox buffering will be crazy on this :) |
| 16:42:19 | mcuelenaere | but I see they mention in the datasheet there are 2 separate SDRAM controllers: 1 for MPEG decoding and 1 for general purposes |
| 16:42:20 | DerPapst | i guess you can even play doom with music playback at the same time :-D |
| 16:42:39 | mcuelenaere | if the processor would keep up |
| 16:42:50 | mcuelenaere | could* |
| 16:42:54 | TheGazR | http://gazr88.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/DSC00047.JPG |
| 16:42:55 | DerPapst | 200MHz... i guess that works well enough |
| 16:43:36 | TheGazR | What annoys me is, they obviously put a lot of time in getting decent hardware for this, then spent 10 minutes on software for it |
| 16:44:09 | DerPapst | heh :-P |
| 16:44:16 | mcuelenaere | porting Rockbox to it also won't be a piece of cake |
| 16:44:37 | TheGazR | Yeah, my life never is :P |
| 16:44:41 | mcuelenaere | there's obviously some hardware in it which doesn't have public documentation |
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| 16:45:56 | TheGazR | anoyingly |
| 16:45:58 | TheGazR | +n |
| 16:46:59 | mcuelenaere | how do you put a new firmware on the device? |
| 16:47:19 | mcuelenaere | (BTW also nice to mention on the wiki ;)) |
| 16:48:05 | TheGazR | You can do it either two ways, upload a file called "Update.bin" onto the disk, then go into the 'system' menu, then select 'update firmware' and it searches for that file and starts the update process |
| 16:48:36 | TheGazR | or you can transfer any filename onto the disk, s'long as it ends with .bin, then open it from the 'disk browse' menu |
| 16:48:47 | DerPapst | heh. cool |
| 16:48:53 | DerPapst | and what is if the file faulty? |
| 16:48:58 | mcuelenaere | indeed |
| 16:49:01 | TheGazR | then you're screwed I guess |
| 16:49:03 | mcuelenaere | is there some kind of recovery menu? |
| 16:49:09 | TheGazR | Not that I'm aware of |
| 16:49:19 | mcuelenaere | hmm that could be a problem |
| 16:49:26 | TheGazR | I've tried different button combinations to see if there's a bootloader of any kind |
| 16:49:36 | DerPapst | maybe it goes there automatically if the bin is faulty |
| 16:49:38 | mcuelenaere | would the firmware get loaded from HDD or from flash ? (the main FW) |
| 16:50:06 | mcuelenaere | have you tried attaching the HDD to a computer? |
| 16:50:12 | TheGazR | it gets loaded from the disk as far as I know |
| 16:50:26 | TheGazR | When I plug the device in, it just shows the partitions of it |
| 16:50:52 | mcuelenaere | what file system does it have? |
| 16:50:59 | TheGazR | Fat32 |
| 16:51:05 | mcuelenaere | perfect |
| 16:51:05 | TheGazR | Doesn't support NTFS |
| 16:51:35 | mcuelenaere | is there some other file on the HDD besides your music/pictures/videos/.. ? |
| 16:51:51 | mcuelenaere | (or a (hidden) partition)? |
| 16:52:06 | TheGazR | I coudln't see a hidden partition in Disk Management |
| 16:52:15 | TheGazR | erm, I'll print screen the hdd for you |
| 16:52:25 | mcuelenaere | could you do a "fdisk" instead? |
| 16:53:13 | TheGazR | I don't know if there would be a hidden partition though, the disk supports formatting :S |
| 16:53:51 | mcuelenaere | what version of Windows are you using? |
| 16:54:20 | TheGazR | Vista Ultimate |
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| 16:55:26 | gevaerts | Showing a single partition when plugging in doesn't necessarily mean that there is only a single partition on disk |
| 16:55:43 | mcuelenaere | Vista doesn't support fdisk AFAIK |
| 16:56:08 | gevaerts | Although this Ali usb/ide chip does suggest that the entire disk will be visible |
| 16:56:13 | mcuelenaere | do you have a hex editor which supports viewing hard drives directly? (e.g. 010 Editor) |
| 16:56:57 | TheGazR | No |
| 16:59:00 | TheGazR | On the disk there is a file called System.ini |
| 16:59:03 | TheGazR | the contents are |
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| 16:59:48 | TheGazR | http://pastebin.com/m17053922 |
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| 17:00:05 | mcuelenaere | could you download DD for Windows? ( http://www.chrysocome.net/downloads/dd-0.5.zip ) |
| 17:00:33 | TheGazR | Downloading now |
| 17:00:47 | mcuelenaere | do you know how to work with the Command prompt? |
| 17:01:35 | TheGazR | Yeah |
| 17:01:38 | DerPapst | iirc the firmware could hide any other partitions too... |
| 17:02:02 | mcuelenaere | like gevaerts said, if the USB chip is a ATA-to-USB chip it won't |
| 17:02:05 | TheGazR | How would the device support changing the hdd though if that was the case? |
| 17:02:41 | mcuelenaere | running a recovery image from flash? |
| 17:02:52 | TheGazR | hmm, could be |
| 17:02:57 | TheGazR | Right, how do I use this program? |
| 17:03:06 | mcuelenaere | do you have the hdd attached? |
| 17:03:09 | TheGazR | Yeah |
| 17:03:16 | mcuelenaere | first do "dd −−list" |
| 17:03:28 | mcuelenaere | this should list all the Windows devices' names |
| 17:04:19 | TheGazR | it's just repeating what I say :S |
| 17:04:22 | mcuelenaere | there should be one similar like "\\?\Device\Harddisk[X]\[XXX]" |
| 17:04:30 | TheGazR | It's not listing anything |
| 17:04:38 | mcuelenaere | have you extracted dd in the directory where you're in? |
| 17:04:44 | mcuelenaere | (I mean in the command prompt) |
| 17:04:59 | TheGazR | actually, I know what I'm doing |
| 17:05:01 | TheGazR | I'm an idiot |
| 17:05:21 | mcuelenaere | could you pastebin the output? |
| 17:05:35 | mcuelenaere | oh BTW, maybe it requires administrative privileges |
| 17:05:57 | TheGazR | I was just opening the exe from the zip |
| 17:06:01 | TheGazR | not going through CMD |
| 17:06:03 | TheGazR | :$ |
| 17:06:51 | TheGazR | woah! A lot of information has come up |
| 17:07:00 | TheGazR | Damn me for having so many HDDs |
| 17:07:07 | mcuelenaere | could you pastebin it? |
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| 17:08:53 | TheGazR | http://pastebin.com/m602bebae |
| 17:09:38 | mcuelenaere | hmm where is your DAP mounted at? (ie G:, H:, F:, ...) |
| 17:10:27 | TheGazR | M: and O: |
| 17:10:33 | TheGazR | I have 2 partitions |
| 17:10:43 | TheGazR | 100Gbs for music, 20Gbs for data |
| 17:10:52 | mcuelenaere | then I suppose you need "\\?\Device\Harddisk9" |
| 17:11:27 | TheGazR | Ok, what do I do with that? |
| 17:11:36 | mcuelenaere | now do "dd if=\\?\Device\Harddisk9 of=c:\firstsector.bin size=512" |
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| 17:12:34 | mcuelenaere | and upload c:\firstsector.bin somewhere |
| 17:14:05 | TheGazR | hmm, it didn't create a file called that :S |
| 17:14:22 | mcuelenaere | did the command exit successfully? |
| 17:15:09 | gevaerts | Isn't that 'count=1 bs=512' instead of 'size=512' ? |
| 17:15:31 | mcuelenaere | could be |
| 17:16:00 | mcuelenaere | At the examples of http://www.chrysocome.net/dd they are omitting the parameter count |
| 17:16:02 | TheGazR | http://pastebin.com/m4d7de76d |
| 17:16:20 | mcuelenaere | ah sorry, it isn't size, you have to use bs= |
| 17:16:43 | TheGazR | So, what do I have to put in? |
| 17:16:52 | TheGazR | dd if=\\?\Device\Harddisk9 of=c:\firstsector.bin bs=512" |
| 17:16:57 | mcuelenaere | "dd if=\\?\Device\Harddisk9 of=c:\firstsector.bin bs=512" |
| 17:16:57 | mcuelenaere | yes |
| 17:17:26 | gevaerts | And 'count=1'. You don't want the entire disk |
| 17:17:38 | mcuelenaere | yes, I'm not very good with dd.. |
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| 17:18:32 | TheGazR | I got an error |
| 17:18:56 | TheGazR | Error native opening input file: 0 The operation completed successfully |
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| 17:19:17 | mcuelenaere | did you use administrative privileges? |
| 17:19:20 | TheGazR | good point |
| 17:20:01 | TheGazR | Nope, same error |
| 17:20:09 | mcuelenaere | weird |
| 17:21:19 | mcuelenaere | how are you enforcing administrative privileges? |
| 17:21:33 | TheGazR | right clicking cmd then run as administrator |
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| 17:24:07 | mcuelenaere | hmm maybe it just isn't allowed to do "\\?\Device\Harddisk9" directly and should \PartitionX be added.. |
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| 17:24:46 | mcuelenaere | could you try the same with \\?\Device\Harddisk9\Partition0 ? |
| 17:25:18 | mcuelenaere | you're sure you only have 2 partitions? because to me it seems you have 3 |
| 17:25:22 | TheGazR | was typing that as you said it :) |
| 17:25:25 | TheGazR | no error this time |
| 17:25:30 | TheGazR | I'll check c:\ now |
| 17:25:42 | TheGazR | yeah |
| 17:25:47 | TheGazR | firstsector.bin is there |
| 17:25:53 | mcuelenaere | could you upload it? |
| 17:25:57 | TheGazR | yup |
| 17:26:49 | TheGazR | it's quite big mind |
| 17:26:52 | TheGazR | 17Mbs |
| 17:26:57 | mcuelenaere | hmm that isn't right |
| 17:27:03 | mcuelenaere | it should be 512 bytes |
| 17:27:10 | mcuelenaere | what's the command you used? |
| 17:27:51 | TheGazR | dd if=\\?\Device\Harddisk9\partition0 of=c:\firstsector.bin bs=512 |
| 17:28:04 | mcuelenaere | you forgot "count=1" |
| 17:28:16 | mcuelenaere | Hmm weird that partition is only 17MB big |
| 17:28:16 | TheGazR | Where does that go? |
| 17:28:22 | mcuelenaere | after the command |
| 17:28:28 | TheGazR | ok |
| 17:28:35 | mcuelenaere | but could you upload the big file? |
| 17:28:45 | mcuelenaere | maybe it contains some interesting stuff |
| 17:28:52 | TheGazR | damnit :P I just deleted it from my webspace |
| 17:28:52 | TheGazR | haha |
| 17:29:02 | TheGazR | I'll re-upload it now |
| 17:29:21 | TheGazR | it's 25Mbs, sorry |
| 17:29:39 | mcuelenaere | is that too big for you to upload? |
| 17:29:43 | TheGazR | No |
| 17:29:49 | mcuelenaere | ok |
| 17:29:54 | TheGazR | I have this webhost, and another one |
| 17:30:02 | TheGazR | so if file sizes get too big I'll use my main one |
| 17:30:20 | mcuelenaere | nah, I meant your internet connection; but apparantly that isn't a problem :) |
| 17:30:33 | TheGazR | Nah, Uni network speeds are awesome |
| 17:31:42 | TheGazR | http://gazr88.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/firstsector.bin |
| 17:33:07 | mcuelenaere | MBR says 2 partitions of type 0xC |
| 17:34:35 | TheGazR | http://gazr88.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/firstsector2.bin |
| 17:34:39 | TheGazR | is the 512b one |
| 17:34:40 | mcuelenaere | what's this? |
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| 17:35:11 | mcuelenaere | I'm going to try mounting the image as a loop device |
| 17:36:40 | TheGazR | I'll pretend I know what that means.. |
| 17:37:08 | mcuelenaere | I'll mount the image as an imaginary HDD (in Linux) and try reading from it |
| 17:37:16 | mcuelenaere | (hoping that it contains a FAT partition) |
| 17:37:21 | TheGazR | Oh right, I see |
| 17:40:54 | mcuelenaere | hmm I can mount it |
| 17:41:01 | mcuelenaere | but it yields unreadable characters as files |
| 17:41:59 | mcuelenaere | BTW the file has several 0x55 0xAA in it (aka MBR signature) |
| 17:42:27 | gevaerts | Not only MBR. FAT bootsectors have that as well IIRC |
| 17:42:28 | mcuelenaere | is there a way to mount a FAT partition Unicode? |
| 17:42:37 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: ah, that could be it |
| 17:43:08 | mcuelenaere | BTW to mount the image you have to do: "losetup -o 32358 /dev/loopX firstsector.bin;mount -t vfat /dev/loopX /mnt/XX" |
| 17:43:36 | mcuelenaere | .. -o 35328 ...* |
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| 17:45:46 | * | LambdaCalculus37 sees that a few of the blind descriptions in the manuals need some fixes |
| 17:45:50 | TheGazR | Were you taking to me? |
| 17:45:57 | * | LambdaCalculus37 flexes his LateX-fu muscles |
| 17:46:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | s/LateX/LaTeX |
| 17:46:27 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: if you know the answer :) |
| 17:46:52 | TheGazR | Heh! You're the developer here. I'm just the n00b :P |
| 17:47:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | TheGazR: One day, you may be a developer, too. :) |
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| 17:47:38 | TheGazR | I hope so :) |
| 17:47:55 | TheGazR | I'm pretty competant in programming, so It's about time I advanced |
| 17:47:57 | * | gevaerts sees more non-developers here :) |
| 17:48:13 | mcuelenaere | hmm mount -o iocharset=utf8 doesn't yield any readable characters |
| 17:49:22 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: have you named your partition FREDDMANGO ? |
| 17:49:29 | TheGazR | No |
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| 17:49:44 | TheGazR | I think it used to be called that |
| 17:50:02 | TheGazR | One partition is called MP3_Music the other is called MP3_Data |
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| 17:51:48 | TheGazR | Perhaps you guys were right then |
| 17:51:56 | TheGazR | there could be a third partition storing stuff |
| 17:52:04 | TheGazR | firmware stuff |
| 17:52:11 | mcuelenaere | is there some FAT expert around here? :) |
| 17:52:22 | TheGazR | I eat a lot of McDonalds |
| 17:52:25 | * | LambdaCalculus37 isn't FAT :P |
| 17:52:28 | TheGazR | Will that suffice? |
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| 17:52:49 | TheGazR | Sorry, it was an innapropriate time for a joke, I appoligise |
| 17:52:49 | mcuelenaere | :) |
| 17:53:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | TheGazR: Nah, it's cool. :) |
| 17:54:03 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_allocation_table explains most of it I think |
| 17:54:33 | mcuelenaere | yes, I'm on that page too :) |
| 17:56:38 | TheGazR | Me too. |
| 17:56:48 | TheGazR | Not making end or tail of it, but at least I can say I'm trying |
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| 17:59:58 | mcuelenaere | arg, I can't even tar the all files because it gives me a read error.. |
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| 18:00:23 | gevaerts | You don't have the entire image |
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| 18:00:49 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: wasn't the image 25MB ? |
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| 18:01:01 | mcuelenaere | without the "count=1" option? |
| 18:01:43 | TheGazR | yeah |
| 18:02:12 | mcuelenaere | normally, dd will extract the whole partition in that case; right? |
| 18:02:23 | gevaerts | The partition table says that the entire disk is 120G, and the first partition about 90 |
| 18:02:36 | mcuelenaere | but those are the other partitions |
| 18:02:56 | * | gevaerts shuts up |
| 18:03:03 | mcuelenaere | don't :) |
| 18:03:09 | mcuelenaere | I could be wrong here |
| 18:03:22 | gevaerts | Actually, I do :) I have to go home |
| 18:03:32 | mcuelenaere | maybe this (pseudo-?)partition is just a leftover from before the formatting |
| 18:03:51 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: you formatted/repartitioned your disk? |
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| 18:05:01 | TheGazR | yeah |
| 18:05:20 | TheGazR | The device is manufactured as 2 60Gb HDDs |
| 18:05:30 | TheGazR | partitions rather |
| 18:05:39 | mcuelenaere | and how did you repartition it? |
| 18:06:05 | TheGazR | Disk Management and a fat32 formatter I found |
| 18:06:08 | TheGazR | called: |
| 18:06:19 | TheGazR | fat32format.exe |
| 18:06:39 | mcuelenaere | hmm, and the device worked instantly with these new partitions? |
| 18:07:01 | TheGazR | I had to restart the device first, but yeah |
| 18:07:22 | TheGazR | You can't use the device when it's plugged into USB |
| 18:07:42 | mcuelenaere | in what way? |
| 18:07:42 | TheGazR | a black screen and "USB Attached!" is written in the middle of it |
| 18:07:44 | mcuelenaere | is it turned off? |
| 18:07:47 | mcuelenaere | k |
| 18:07:55 | mcuelenaere | and if you unplug it? |
| 18:08:37 | TheGazR | it takes about 5 seconds and goes straight back to the main menu |
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| 18:10:30 | TheGazR | Welcome back, Sir |
| 18:10:32 | TheGazR | it takes about 5 seconds and goes straight back to the main menu |
| 18:10:37 | TheGazR | Is what I said just before you left |
| 18:10:49 | mcuelenaere | I just read it in the logs :) |
| 18:10:54 | TheGazR | ok |
| 18:11:33 | mcuelenaere | and during these 5 seconds, is it rebooting |
| 18:11:34 | mcuelenaere | ? |
| 18:11:39 | TheGazR | No |
| 18:11:42 | TheGazR | I don't think so |
| 18:11:44 | TheGazR | lemme check |
| 18:12:10 | TheGazR | Nah, it's about 3 seconds, and it just says "USB Attached" during them |
| 18:12:23 | TheGazR | then it just snaps back into the main menu |
| 18:14:54 | mcuelenaere | in IDA, does the firmware contains some strings referring to Linux? (or µClinux?) |
| 18:16:25 | TheGazR | Yeah |
| 18:16:25 | TheGazR | Mike says: |
| 18:16:25 | TheGazR | god harvard website is shit |
| 18:16:25 | DBUG | Sent KICK TheGazR to server |
| 18:16:25 | TheGazR | Mike says: |
| 18:16:25 | TheGazR | not going to tht school!!! |
| 18:16:25 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 18:16:25 | DBUG | sent MODE #rockbox +b *!*n=garyoa*@*.d.port.ac.uk |
| 18:16:25 | TheGazR | Mike says: |
| 18:16:25 | Kick | (#rockbox TheGazR :No flooding!) by logbot_!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0b6290880621a923 |
| 18:16:25 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 18:16:25 | Mode | "#rockbox +b *!*n=garyoa*@*.d.port.ac.uk " by logbot_ (n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0b6290880621a923) |
| 18:16:50 | mcuelenaere | kicked again.. |
| 18:17:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | What the hell? |
| 18:17:33 | | Quit Stickman ("-- no longer here --") |
| 18:17:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | It was like he was suddenly possessed. |
| 18:18:21 | mcuelenaere | maybe he was pasting something, but copied the wrong thing |
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| 18:18:52 | mcuelenaere | doesn't +b means he's banned? |
| 18:18:59 | Mode | "#rockbox +o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 18:19:10 | Mode | "#rockbox -b *!*n=garyoa*@*.d.port.ac.uk " by scorche|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 18:19:30 | scorche|sh | i feel that was a justified kick though ;) |
| 18:19:36 | mcuelenaere | :P |
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| 18:19:55 | TheGazR | Man. that sucked |
| 18:20:02 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: use pastebin if you want to post multi-line messages |
| 18:20:14 | TheGazR | I didn't, it just didn't copy what I wanted to clipboard |
| 18:20:58 | mcuelenaere | you copied a part of a conversation with a friend of yours? :) |
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| 18:21:48 | TheGazR | yeah |
| 18:21:52 | mcuelenaere | But anyway, you were saying there's some references to Linux? |
| 18:21:54 | TheGazR | Ok |
| 18:22:04 | TheGazR | I'll type it, I can't find a way to copy text from a string |
| 18:22:09 | mcuelenaere | could you upload the firmware file or is it already available somewhere? |
| 18:22:19 | TheGazR | it's availible somewhere |
| 18:22:25 | TheGazR | do you want chinese, or English? |
| 18:22:30 | mcuelenaere | English please :) |
| 18:22:37 | TheGazR | Ok |
| 18:25:56 | TheGazR | it says "/home/yuzh/2006_shipment/Aigo/200/uClinux-2.4/include/linux/dcache.h |
| 18:26:02 | TheGazR | then a load of other header files |
| 18:26:26 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 18:27:08 | TheGazR | http://gazr88.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/20020061114V957SL_AIGO_EN_PAL(1C0F10FB).bin |
| 18:27:21 | mcuelenaere | thanks |
| 18:29:09 | mcuelenaere | wow, I'm jealous.. all those debug messages.. |
| 18:30:25 | TheGazR | I'm glad they impress you? :P |
| 18:31:04 | mcuelenaere | on my Creative Zen Vision:M firmware, there are barely some strings.. (except those from open source projects integrated into it) |
| 18:31:13 | TheGazR | Oh right |
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| 18:31:38 | mcuelenaere | you could sue them, I'm sure they didn't publish their modifications to µClinux |
| 18:31:58 | TheGazR | haha |
| 18:32:04 | TheGazR | I'll phone my lawyer |
| 18:32:10 | n1s | http://gpl-violations.org/ |
| 18:32:30 | TheGazR | My only worry is that in order to port Rockbox to this mother, I'm going to have to do what I do now, and only get one chance |
| 18:32:38 | TheGazR | I hope that's not the case though |
| 18:33:02 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: what do you mean by "doing what you do know"? |
| 18:33:24 | TheGazR | sticking the bin file on the drive, and opening up using the Aigo function |
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| 18:33:31 | TheGazR | If that makes sense :S |
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| 18:34:34 | mcuelenaere | ie something like rolo? |
| 18:34:36 | TheGazR | wb :) |
| 18:34:39 | mcuelenaere | ah, with opening up you don't mean replacing the firmware? |
| 18:34:51 | mcuelenaere | (put those phrases in reverse order :)) |
| 18:35:35 | TheGazR | I don't know what I mean - Just ignore me |
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| 18:35:58 | mcuelenaere | try re-explaining it :) |
| 18:36:25 | TheGazR | I was thinking in line of having a Rockbox port called Update.bin, then sticking it on the hard disk, and updating the firmware using the same technique I use now |
| 18:36:38 | TheGazR | navigating to the file, and opening it |
| 18:36:52 | mcuelenaere | but the problem is, when that file doesn't do what you want; what happens? |
| 18:37:08 | TheGazR | yeah - That's why i said "Only get one chance to do it right" |
| 18:37:11 | mcuelenaere | I mean, in the beginning it's all about experimenting |
| 18:37:22 | TheGazR | yeah, experimenting and having a fail-safe |
| 18:37:24 | mcuelenaere | and that's why there need to be some kind of recovery mode |
| 18:37:40 | TheGazR | yup! I don't know how they could build this thing without one :S |
| 18:37:55 | mcuelenaere | ... or we could just file a complaint about the using of GNU code without sending patches |
| 18:38:01 | mcuelenaere | about the use* |
| 18:38:11 | TheGazR | sounds like a lot of effort |
| 18:38:30 | mcuelenaere | nah, if we just post a message to the gpl-violations list? |
| 18:38:38 | mcuelenaere | what do you have to lose? :) |
| 18:39:05 | TheGazR | ...What would we have to gain though? |
| 18:39:29 | mcuelenaere | btw, regarding how they tested their player; I suppose they can flash their flash memory |
| 18:39:29 | DerPapst_ | drivers |
| 18:39:39 | mcuelenaere | indeed |
| 18:40:16 | DerPapst_ | mcuelenaere: maybe possible on their dev board but maybe not on the finished product |
| 18:40:17 | TheGazR | Hmm, sounds a very dodgy way to do it though |
| 18:40:32 | TheGazR | Even the best hardware and best software can have a bad flash |
| 18:41:03 | TheGazR | A bad flash on this thing means a nifty looking paper weight |
| 18:41:08 | mcuelenaere | DerPapst_: you're right, I forgot that part |
| 18:41:20 | mcuelenaere | not really, you can always reflash it |
| 18:41:26 | mcuelenaere | @TheGazR |
| 18:41:45 | TheGazR | hmm, yeah! That's what I'm thinking |
| 18:42:05 | mcuelenaere | but I'm pretty sure they have some kind of fallback method |
| 18:42:09 | TheGazR | No idea how though |
| 18:42:26 | mcuelenaere | what happens if you start the device without a HDD attached? |
| 18:42:36 | TheGazR | I cxo |
| 18:42:39 | TheGazR | I could try that I guess |
| 18:42:45 | TheGazR | daubt it would do any damage |
| 18:45:26 | TheGazR | it just freezes on the loading screen |
| 18:45:37 | mcuelenaere | http://lists.gpl-violations.org/pipermail/legal/2008-February/001235.html -> another Sigma based device which contains GPL code |
| 18:45:50 | TheGazR | Ahh wait, scrap that |
| 18:45:56 | TheGazR | it's loaded up the software |
| 18:45:58 | TheGazR | just a lot slower |
| 18:46:10 | TheGazR | guess that throws off our guess of the firmware being on the disk :( |
| 18:46:14 | mcuelenaere | :( |
| 18:46:42 | mcuelenaere | we could replace a function in their current OS and use it a some kind of bootloader code |
| 18:48:49 | TheGazR | that's strange |
| 18:49:04 | TheGazR | On the menu system, I've looked up "Hard Disk Information" |
| 18:49:11 | TheGazR | and it's found a partition |
| 18:49:45 | TheGazR | Current Partition: 1 Total Size: 3M Used Size: 3M Free Size: 0M |
| 18:50:25 | gevaerts | What happens if you plug it in now ? |
| 18:50:30 | * | gevaerts means plug in usb |
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| 18:52:00 | TheGazR | nothing :( |
| 18:52:19 | TheGazR | Computer doesn't recognise any new hardware either |
| 18:52:41 | gevaerts | Nothing in the device manager either ? |
| 18:53:01 | TheGazR | NOPE |
| 18:53:03 | TheGazR | Oops |
| 18:53:05 | TheGazR | Nope* |
| 18:53:33 | gevaerts | Not entirely strange, since there is no disk, but still it would have been nice to get something |
| 18:53:48 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: did you get a CD with the DAP? |
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| 18:54:02 | TheGazR | Only USB2 drivers for <XP |
| 18:54:12 | mcuelenaere | hmm, so they didn't include any source code.. |
| 18:54:17 | TheGazR | Nope |
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| 18:54:54 | mcuelenaere | I do think we should put some effort in getting the source code out of them.. |
| 18:55:16 | TheGazR | apparently they're an impossible company to contact |
| 18:55:50 | mcuelenaere | don't they respond? |
| 18:55:56 | gevaerts | Contact whoever sold it to you. After all, they are the ones who are legally bound by the GPL |
| 18:56:22 | TheGazR | Nope |
| 18:56:35 | TheGazR | It was bought as Grade A stock, does that matter? |
| 18:57:33 | TheGazR | couldn't reddmango just lie though? We're not using their firmware remember, we're using Aigo's |
| 18:57:46 | mcuelenaere | then we should contact Aigo |
| 18:58:01 | mcuelenaere | both are using µClinux |
| 18:58:32 | mcuelenaere | I even think it was recommended by Sigma, as a lot of their products seem to use it.. |
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| 19:04:57 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: are there any hidden directories on your DAP's HDD? |
| 19:05:47 | TheGazR | No |
| 19:11:00 | mcuelenaere | http://lists.gpl-violations.org/pipermail/legal/2007-February/001007.html -> "OEM customers of Sigma who are shipping products without GPL compliance" |
| 19:11:42 | mcuelenaere | maybe we should contact this guy? |
| 19:12:05 | TheGazR | Could do |
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| 19:12:24 | TheGazR | I'm trying google's webpage translating method to browse the chinese version of the Aigo website |
| 19:12:56 | mcuelenaere | I did that earlier, and it didn't give me anything useful.. |
| 19:13:27 | TheGazR | hmm, same :S |
| 19:13:39 | TheGazR | though, the E235Plus thing looks interesting |
| 19:15:32 | TheGazR | Nothing in English though |
| 19:20:37 | TheGazR | Gah, talk about giving anybody a headache |
| 19:20:47 | TheGazR | I really appreciate the support though |
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| 19:23:09 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: could you keep the firmware file at your webserver for some time? |
| 19:23:16 | TheGazR | sure |
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| 19:27:59 | TheGazR | Welcome Back |
| 19:28:04 | mcuelenaere | thanks :) |
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| 19:30:50 | TheGazR | I'm google searching seeing how many datasheets I can find for the hardware |
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| 19:31:40 | mcuelenaere | ok, now I mounted the FAT partition with codepage=936,iocharset=gb2312 and it gives me some (more) readable names |
| 19:31:44 | mcuelenaere | but still it's garbage |
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| 19:32:04 | mcuelenaere | btw, I got the codepage=936,iocharset=gb2312 from the firmware (it is there as string) |
| 19:33:12 | TheGazR | What are these names? |
| 19:33:19 | TheGazR | Of files on the disk? |
| 19:33:39 | mcuelenaere | something like YH8GAX~3 |
| 19:33:50 | mcuelenaere | but this files appears 50 times |
| 19:33:56 | mcuelenaere | and some other files appear also 50 times |
| 19:34:11 | TheGazR | Looks like the naming system of Windows Recycler |
| 19:34:22 | mcuelenaere | but now it at least gives me some ASCII characters.. |
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| 19:34:26 | mcuelenaere | you think so? |
| 19:34:35 | TheGazR | I think so |
| 19:34:46 | mcuelenaere | the encoding is gb2312, I suppose that is somethinkg like simplified chinese? |
| 19:35:16 | mcuelenaere | does the OF contains games? |
| 19:35:21 | TheGazR | Yeah |
| 19:35:31 | TheGazR | 3 |
| 19:35:46 | TheGazR | All shite |
| 19:36:33 | mcuelenaere | I see snake is one of them, along with some tank game? |
| 19:36:47 | TheGazR | yup |
| 19:36:51 | TheGazR | And one called Boxes |
| 19:37:01 | TheGazR | Creepy! |
| 19:37:24 | mcuelenaere | the biggest part of the firmware seems to contain images and other data (non-code) |
| 19:37:44 | mcuelenaere | but I wonder how it is packed together, as the first bytes are the vectors.. |
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| 19:45:10 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:46:18 | TheGazR | I open IDA, and just get confused |
| 19:46:57 | mcuelenaere | I just sent a mail to that guy I posted a link earlier |
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| 19:51:27 | TheGazR | Ok - Thanks |
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| 19:51:58 | mcuelenaere | wow, I even got an instant response! |
| 19:51:58 | mcuelenaere | http://pastebin.com/d37f19e66 |
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| 19:53:01 | Bagder | Aigo is Chinese, right? |
| 19:53:10 | mcuelenaere | yes, I believe so |
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| 19:53:41 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: what was your confusion about IDA? |
| 19:53:43 | Bagder | so any license violation will just be ignored |
| 19:53:49 | mcuelenaere | Bagder: why? |
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| 19:54:03 | TheGazR | Just the program |
| 19:54:03 | Bagder | the Chinese manufacturers tend to do them en mass |
| 19:54:08 | TheGazR | It's so busy |
| 19:54:14 | mcuelenaere | Bagder: but I suppose Sigma isn't Chinese + they did release some code in the past (Sigma) |
| 19:54:28 | Bagder | ah well then there's a chance |
| 19:54:30 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: yes, you need to get used to it :) |
| 19:55:10 | gevaerts | Does that actually matter ? The manufacturer doesn't distribute GPL binaries to the user, the reseller does. So it's actually the reseller's problem |
| 19:55:11 | TheGazR | hmm! That's interesting |
| 19:55:15 | markun | Bagder: any tips what the fastest way is to match a tarball to a cvs revision? I tried looking at the filedates, but that didn't help. |
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| 19:55:46 | Bagder | markun: no $Id:$ or similar in the files I guess? |
| 19:55:55 | markun | no |
| 19:56:07 | Bagder | tricky then |
| 19:56:25 | Bagder | possibly binary-search on one of the busiest/most changed file in cvs |
| 19:56:44 | TheGazR | Searching through the strings I've found one that says: |
| 19:57:14 | TheGazR | \r\n\EM85xx Bootloader v1.0.0 |
| 19:57:34 | TheGazR | Could that be of any importance? |
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| 19:58:15 | mcuelenaere | TheGazR: yes, I found that too |
| 19:58:22 | mcuelenaere | I suppose it's just part of the Sigma SDK |
| 19:59:06 | TheGazR | There's a string that says "Boot Flash Failed" |
| 19:59:21 | TheGazR | So, that surely means you can boot to flash :s |
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| 20:00:26 | mcuelenaere | I think (a part of) the firmware is flashed, and if for some reason the checksum failed when loading the FW from flash, this string appears |
| 20:01:12 | TheGazR | ok |
| 20:01:29 | TheGazR | there's also one that says "OS/2 Boot Manager" |
| 20:01:39 | TheGazR | but I recognise that from somewhere |
| 20:01:48 | mcuelenaere | I believe that's just part of the Linux kernel/other Linux part |
| 20:02:21 | TheGazR | hmmm, makes sense |
| 20:02:22 | mcuelenaere | I saw it contains strings for all types of partitions, so this could be one of them (or related to) |
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| 20:06:13 | amiconn | Partition type 0x0a: OS/2 Boot Manager |
| 20:06:45 | TheGazR | Is that good? Or? |
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| 20:07:41 | r0rshach | are both wav files and wmv files not supported? |
| 20:07:53 | TheGazR | yup |
| 20:08:02 | TheGazR | that's right |
| 20:08:09 | r0rshach | thanx Gazr |
| 20:08:20 | r0rshach | looks like im going to have to get this guy to convert his podcasts |
| 20:08:24 | r0rshach | or do it myself :) |
| 20:08:29 | mcuelenaere | Ok, I sent a message to the gpl-violations.org list |
| 20:08:46 | TheGazR | Oh wait - Wait - I thought you were talking about something else R0rshach |
| 20:08:48 | TheGazR | sorry |
| 20:08:50 | TheGazR | I've no idea |
| 20:08:53 | * | mcuelenaere is off to dinner |
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| 20:09:07 | r0rshach | ok |
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| 20:10:30 | domonoky | r0rshach: at least wav works fine with rockbox... wmv is for video ? |
| 20:10:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | WMV is the video side of Windows Media. |
| 20:10:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | IIRC only the audio in a WMV file will play in Rockbox. |
| 20:10:59 | r0rshach | yeah, i had trouble having it recognize a wav file |
| 20:11:27 | r0rshach | which would be fine lambda, but the file isnt showing up in a dir |
| 20:11:56 | r0rshach | maybe i did something but in the long run i can live w/o those 2 files types |
| 20:12:45 | amiconn | wav is definitely supported |
| 20:12:54 | * | LambdaCalculus37 doesn't use any Windows Media files of any sort, so he's a bit unsure |
| 20:13:28 | Bagder | midgey: I continue to only get english... |
| 20:14:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | WMV is defined in apps/filetypes.c as audio, it seems. |
| 20:14:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | As is ASF. |
| 20:14:32 | midgey | Bagder: hmm, i'll send you an updated version of my patch once I get splashes working again |
| 20:14:54 | Bagder | ok! |
| 20:17:04 | PaulJam_ | r0rshach: what is your "show files" setting set to? .wav files should be visible in all modes except when it is set to "playlists". |
| 20:17:09 | Bagder | midgey: you could also consider posting it as a regular flyspray patch and point out the number to me, to allow others to join in the fun (testing, commenting etc) |
| 20:17:37 | Bagder | now I'll go have some family time |
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| 20:17:47 | midgey | up until a few days ago, i had to manually edit dep-plugins so I had been holding off |
| 20:18:15 | Bagder | I don't mean to push you into anything, there's no hurry |
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| 20:21:18 | r0rshach | paul ill look, thansk |
| 20:21:22 | r0rshach | thanks |
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| 20:23:55 | PaulJam_ | r0rshach: another reason for the file not showing up could be if it has the hidden attribute set or a dot in front of the filename. in that case it'll be shown if you set "show files" to "all". |
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| 20:24:35 | Mouser_X | How difficult would it be to implement the Gigabeat remote for the 'beast? |
| 20:25:06 | Mouser_X | Also, nice to see MOD support in Rockbox! I've been using the patch for nearly a year. |
| 20:25:44 | jhMikeS | Mouser_X: pretty tricky to do it well actually |
| 20:25:53 | Mouser_X | Bah! Why? |
| 20:26:25 | Mouser_X | (Not Why?!) |
| 20:26:43 | r0rshach | that worked PaulJam_ Thanks! |
| 20:26:45 | Mouser_X | (Use " around why...) |
| 20:27:59 | bertrik | hm, there's support for Z-A file sorting in rockbox, but you can't select it :P |
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| 20:31:32 | jhMikeS | Mouser_X: Not sure how to get a proper "present" level for one |
| 20:31:59 | Mouser_X | Hmmm. :( |
| 20:32:37 | Mouser_X | What's wrong with assuming one is present? |
| 20:33:26 | Mouser_X | (While not done right, I can't see in harm in doing it that way... I'm not a programmer/developer though, so I'm likely not one to talk.) |
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| 20:36:01 | jhMikeS | the way the hardware setup is makes reading ADC rather costly (via serial) unlike gigabeat FX |
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| 20:36:19 | Mouser_X | Costly in CPU, or power? |
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| 20:36:53 | Mouser_X | (If in CPU, the 'beast has some to spare... :P ) |
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| 20:44:47 | jhMikeS | Not so much in CPU. The remote hookup is just rather awful though. |
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| 20:46:35 | Mouser_X | So expensive in power then? |
| 20:48:08 | Mouser_X | (BTW, that sucks, as I use the remote almost exclusively... It's one of the biggest things holding me back from using the 'beast as my main player.) |
| 20:51:37 | jhMikeS | the PMIC has comparators built in for ADC readings so I'm not sure if perhaps may help out yet |
| 20:51:53 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 20:52:48 | Mouser_X | I suppose I can practice using the 'beast w/o the remote. At my job, I'm not sure how well that will work out. |
| 20:53:43 | * | LambdaCalculus37 sees a rapidly growing number of beast users |
| 20:54:06 | * | Mouser_X is glad to have gotten his a few months ago. |
| 20:55:11 | Mouser_X | Ah, 1.75 months, not quite 2. |
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| 21:02:01 | Mouser_X | I assume the MOD codec still plays the file infinitely? |
| 21:02:46 | Mouser_X | (It'd be nice if were to stop and go to the next song in the playlist...) |
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| 21:06:20 | fml | Hello. I've just had a I04:IllInstr at B0D0BCD0 on my H120, r17595 when running DiskTidy. I thought H120 was rock solid! |
| 21:07:21 | bluebrother | fml: the h120 is −− Rockbox might be not ;-) |
| 21:07:34 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 21:07:36 | fml | bluebrother: :-) |
| 21:08:20 | bluebrother | looks like a problem with disktidy then ... |
| 21:08:44 | Mouser_X | I've never had disktidy do anything but crash for me... |
| 21:09:00 | DerPapst_ | fml: do you get that everytime you run disktidy? |
| 21:09:07 | fml | Another issue: I wanted to install (update) rockbox on H120. For some reason, RbUtil thought I have sansa e200 and installed that. I haven't noticed because during the installation, the model is not shown. I think it would be a good feedback. |
| 21:09:24 | DerPapst_ | heh :D |
| 21:09:45 | preglow | Mouser_X: put in a bug report/feature request for it |
| 21:10:03 | preglow | i'd almost call it a bug, none of our other codecs behave that wa |
| 21:10:04 | preglow | y |
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| 21:10:11 | bluebrother | fml: I'll think about adding more "feedback". But the model is shown in the main window all the time −− isn't that sufficient? |
| 21:10:49 | fml | DerDome: I only tried once. Not I got it once again! |
| 21:10:52 | Mouser_X | preglow: SID does. It plays each song endlessly. I'd say that one should behave more like NSF does. |
| 21:10:59 | bluebrother | but anyway, I thought about adding a sanity check before installing (well, at least when using the automated installation) |
| 21:11:11 | bluebrother | Mouser_X: how does NSF behave? |
| 21:11:17 | fml | bluebrother: frankly said, I didn't notice this! =:-O |
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| 21:11:50 | bluebrother | hehe ... but I would be interested why rbutil thought you'd have an e200. Did you install on an e200 before that? |
| 21:12:00 | Mouser_X | bluebrother: It plays each song for a set amount of time (2:00 IIRC), unless "Repeat 1" is enabled. |
| 21:12:21 | fml | DerPapst_: after pressing PLAY rockbox boots up again. Pressing STOP does nothing. |
| 21:12:30 | n1s | I would love a way to make sid advance to the next track automatically |
| 21:12:34 | Mouser_X | With "Repeat 1" enabled, it allows you to skip through the various songs contained in the NSF (w/o having to hold down next/previous to do so otherwise.) |
| 21:12:54 | bluebrother | Mouser_X: but that's quite awkward too. Is it completely impossible to figure the end of the track? |
| 21:13:07 | Mouser_X | NSF is an emulated format. |
| 21:13:14 | Mouser_X | In other words, pretty much yes. |
| 21:13:22 | domonoky | bluebrother: do you know if it is possible in linux to get noticed when a usb insert occurs ? (so that rnutil can detect it..) |
| 21:13:23 | Mouser_X | (As for SID, I don't know.) |
| 21:13:38 | fml | DerPapst_: another question about disktidy: how do I see what files will be cleaned? I go to "Files to clean", have a list there but the entries are not marked in any way. |
| 21:13:52 | DerPapst_ | click on < all > |
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| 21:14:34 | fml | DerPapst_: doing this doesn't change anything on the screen. |
| 21:14:49 | DerPapst_ | odd... |
| 21:15:07 | fml | DerPapst_: what should it be? |
| 21:15:34 | Mouser_X | bluebrother: For SIDs, there is apparently some form of tagging available (NSFs can have tags, but then they're NSFe files). The tags are contained in a seperate file. |
| 21:15:36 | bluebrother | Mouser_X: I think it would be much saner to treat subsongs as an internal cuesheet. |
| 21:15:47 | DerPapst_ | put arrows next to each entry that doesn't start with < |
| 21:15:53 | bluebrother | IIRC linuxstb suggested that already |
| 21:15:56 | preglow | Mouser_X: sids don't have tagging, they have that huge hvsc text file |
| 21:15:57 | DerPapst_ | to show that they'Re selected |
| 21:16:06 | preglow | Mouser_X: the data exists, but in highly impractical form |
| 21:16:17 | bluebrother | domonoky: well, not that easily. You can hook up to dbus or similar ... |
| 21:16:33 | Mouser_X | preglow: I see. I've never gotten it to work, so I didn't know how it was implemented. |
| 21:16:44 | bluebrother | but my idea was to run a somewhat improved autodetection upon startup anyway. |
| 21:17:04 | fml | DerPapst_: hrm.... not for me :-( |
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| 21:17:12 | bluebrother | once I get the bootloader thing finished I planned working on some startup "screen". |
| 21:17:14 | DerPapst_ | bugger :-/ |
| 21:17:25 | domonoky | bluebrother: on windows you can get a event on usb insert, but it happens a bit often.. :-) |
| 21:17:33 | Mouser_X | bluebrother: How would cuesheet stuff work for NSFs/SIDs? |
| 21:17:40 | Mouser_X | (I've never used them.) |
| 21:17:46 | fml | DerPapst_: I'll try to install rockbox manually. These automatic things, you know... |
| 21:18:07 | DerPapst_ | hehe :-) |
| 21:18:17 | bluebrother | fml: hey, don't say that! ;-) |
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| 21:18:30 | domonoky | for the autodetection: i think we should use all USB:IDs we can, and only use the patchers detection if we really need to (because of the permission problem with the patchers) |
| 21:18:41 | bluebrother | domonoky: do you really think it's feasible to detect changes upon runtime? |
| 21:19:12 | bluebrother | well, I want to check a few things upon startup: (1) check player, (2) permissions (at least if needed), (3) network |
| 21:19:21 | domonoky | detection while running would be nice, but it isnt needed.. |
| 21:19:24 | bluebrother | maybe a few other things too. |
| 21:19:49 | bluebrother | maybe you'll find a way to figure the mountpoint based on usb pids? |
| 21:19:56 | bluebrother | on windows, that is |
| 21:20:32 | fml | DerPapst_: I have icons disabled. Could that be the reason? |
| 21:20:34 | domonoky | at least for the device, we only need the patchers for ipod mini.. all others have different ids... |
| 21:20:57 | DerPapst_ | probably... don't know how the simple lists work withough |
| 21:21:05 | domonoky | finding a way to map the ids to mountpoints would be good... i will try another attempt.. :-) |
| 21:21:09 | bluebrother | I wouldn't count on that not to change in the future |
| 21:23:08 | fml | DerPapst_: yes, that's the icons setting! The markers are shown via icons :-/ Not good. |
| 21:23:47 | fml | Is it possible to create a bookmark without stopping playback? |
| 21:24:06 | fml | The manual only tells about the 'bookmark on stop' option |
| 21:24:18 | DerPapst_ | hm. no idea if there is another no icon way... maybe force an icon (bullet or so) |
| 21:24:21 | bluebrother | fml: sure. There's a bookmark entry in the context menu |
| 21:24:53 | DerPapst_ | fml: could you make a bug report for it? So that JdGordon|zzz can have a look at it. |
| 21:26:48 | fml | bluebrother: and that will mark just the song? Or the position in the song as well? What if I want to marks many (3-4) points? |
| 21:27:33 | bluebrother | fml: you can create a bookmark as often as you like |
| 21:27:54 | palbuddy | hello, I think I've checked all the faqs out, but I'm stumped here. I have a sandisk e260 v1, with Rockbox successfuly installed....I plug it into Ubuntu, somtimes it works, sometimes now |
| 21:27:57 | palbuddy | sometimes not |
| 21:28:09 | palbuddy | is there any way to make it work 100%? |
| 21:28:19 | bluebrother | palbuddy: you need to boot into the OF for disc access |
| 21:28:31 | palbuddy | what do you mean? |
| 21:28:33 | palbuddy | how do you do that? |
| 21:28:43 | bertrik | hold left while booting |
| 21:28:50 | bluebrother | shut down the player, then connect usb IIRC |
| 21:28:54 | palbuddy | with the USB plugged in or not? |
| 21:28:57 | palbuddy | okay |
| 21:28:59 | palbuddy | I'll try that |
| 21:29:08 | Mouser_X | To boot into the OF, I just insert the USB cable while my Sansa is turned off. |
| 21:29:11 | bertrik | ^−−- what bluebrother said is easier than what I said |
| 21:29:15 | bluebrother | but I don't have a e200, can't confirm 100%. Others can do ... ;-) |
| 21:29:36 | * | Mouser_X has the e200. |
| 21:29:36 | bluebrother | s/can do/did/ ;-) |
| 21:31:02 | fml | DerPapst_: done. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9023 |
| 21:32:22 | palbuddy | okay when do I release the 'left button' because when I do, it goes through a cycle of 'connect disconnect' and ends up not working |
| 21:32:34 | palbuddy | not working as getting to the OF |
| 21:32:41 | palbuddy | (OF meaning Official Firmware I assume) |
| 21:33:01 | Mouser_X | palbuddy: When you have your e200 off, and insert the USB cable, what happens? |
| 21:33:05 | DerPapst_ | fml: thanks |
| 21:33:13 | Mouser_X | (No need to push any buttons.) |
| 21:33:18 | palbuddy | mouser it automatically turns on |
| 21:33:28 | Mouser_X | And does what? |
| 21:34:17 | palbuddy | goes to the rockbox boot loader, and then cycles from connected, disconnected for a while |
| 21:34:36 | Mouser_X | If you have a SD in the slot, it will update the database. Remove the card (if you have one inserted). |
| 21:34:52 | palbuddy | no I don't have any SD card at all in it |
| 21:34:59 | Mouser_X | If you don't have one inserted, then check your settings. Maybe you have MTP enabled? |
| 21:35:21 | Mouser_X | (If you do, maybe the Sansa doesn't like the way Linux is trying to interface with the MTP stuff.) |
| 21:35:31 | Mouser_X | Otherwise, I have nothing else to offer. |
| 21:35:35 | palbuddy | can I change that through rockbox? |
| 21:35:39 | Mouser_X | Nope. |
| 21:35:43 | crash91 | Well i can confirm, its doing the same for me on mine (MSC) |
| 21:35:46 | Mouser_X | It's an OF thing. |
| 21:36:04 | palbuddy | okay so to boot into OF, turn on, hold left without the USB? |
| 21:36:32 | Mouser_X | I don't know. I always use the USB method to get into OF, and then remove the USB. |
| 21:37:09 | crash91 | palbuddy: You can either plug the USB in while its off, or switch it on and hold left until the rockbox bootloader completes |
| 21:37:31 | palbuddy | okay one sec here |
| 21:38:29 | crash91 | I have libmtp and mtpfs installed, yet i can only access mine from Banshee, so i highly doubt its an MTP-related problem. |
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| 21:41:06 | palbuddy | USB should be at MTP? |
| 21:41:30 | gevaerts | No, MSC |
| 21:41:34 | crash91 | palbuddy: no, I was ruling out Mouser_X's suggestion a few lines back. |
| 21:41:55 | palbuddy | all right |
| 21:42:53 | palbuddy | yeah, I'm in the OF and then it just cycles through from connected to disconnected until it doesn't work |
| 21:42:59 | palbuddy | but I suppose then it's not a rockbox issue |
| 21:43:04 | palbuddy | so I should leave you guys alone then |
| 21:43:50 | bertrik | maybe it's a USB power problem, can you connect it directly through a shorter USB cable or through a powered hub? |
| 21:44:09 | palbuddy | well it's a usb 1.1 (I do have an old laptop) maybe that could be it? |
| 21:44:28 | crash91 | palbuddy: yes maybe. |
| 21:44:34 | gevaerts | It shouldn't |
| 21:44:53 | palbuddy | I'll do some google searching, and lurk in the background |
| 21:45:04 | crash91 | palbuddy: What happens if you hold left, wait for it to finish the database rebuild and then connect? |
| 21:45:11 | palbuddy | btw rockbox is pretty amazing though, kudos to the programmers and you helpers though |
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| 21:45:23 | palbuddy | crash, in rockbox? or in the OF? |
| 21:45:34 | crash91 | palbuddy: while booting to get to the OF. |
| 21:46:36 | palbuddy | well, it doesn't refresh the database |
| 21:47:09 | palbuddy | it just goes to the menu and that's it |
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| 21:48:32 | palbuddy | the really wierd thing IMO is that it opens up my linux media player, it just doesn't show the songs on the sandisk |
| 21:48:37 | palbuddy | well it does maybe one out of the ten times |
| 21:48:58 | bertrik | any special messages in dmesg? |
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| 21:55:37 | palbuddy | I'm sorry, what is? or how to I get to dmesg? if that comment is to me? |
| 21:56:17 | bluebrother | type "dmesg" in a terminal window |
| 21:56:42 | palbuddy | with everything plugged in? |
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| 21:58:52 | bluebrother | yes. It displays you log information from the system |
| 21:59:06 | palbuddy | okay a lot of failed stuff, FAT doesn't work |
| 21:59:12 | palbuddy | read capacity |
| 21:59:13 | palbuddy | failed |
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| 21:59:54 | palbuddy | it finds the direct access to the 260 |
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| 22:00:52 | palbuddy | you know what? tomorrow I'll try it with another computer, a winxp machine and see if that works |
| 22:01:04 | palbuddy | thanks so much though, you guys have really tried to help! |
| 22:01:07 | palbuddy | take care! |
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| 22:26:54 | Buschel | preglow: the mpc seek patch does also work for large files (tested with up to 72 minutes) |
| 22:27:12 | Buschel | preglow: i think i'll sumbit the patch tomorrow |
| 22:27:18 | Buschel | *submit |
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| 23:26:55 | * | bluebrother just noticed that a signal can get connected to another signal in Qt |
| 23:27:25 | bluebrother | nice, makes code simpler |
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| 23:33:10 | bertrik | some settings show a "cancelled" splash even if nothing was changed, is this easy to fix? |
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| 23:35:14 | scorche|sh | bluebrother: one thing i noticed while using rbutil last night...i was installing themes and if you choose to install just one, it will install and then close the themes window, so if you, say, only wanted to install 3 of the themes, you would need to click, install, hit next, hit themes again, click, install, next, etc....is there a reason for this? |
| 23:36:50 | bluebrother | scorche|sh: you can select multiple entries from the list by holding Ctrl |
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| 23:38:12 | scorche|sh | even so, do you think the themes window should close automatically like that instead of when you tell it to? |
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| 23:39:12 | bluebrother | hmm, that could be discussed. |
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| 23:39:42 | bluebrother | from my current point of view it makes sense, as if installation was successful you have done all tasks in that window ... |
| 23:39:50 | scorche|sh | i am a fan of things closing when i tell it to |
| 23:39:52 | bluebrother | or at least I assume you did ;-) |
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| 23:40:58 | scorche|sh | it seems odd that the actual installing window requires you to hit next to close it, yet the themes window closes automatically |
| 23:41:11 | AceNik | hey guys this seems like a good patch, can it be included http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/8955 |
| 23:41:11 | bluebrother | in that case you'd need to close the logger and the theme window. I think that would be a bit inconvenient for most users |
| 23:41:24 | bluebrother | but we could make the logger autoclose after a timeout |
| 23:41:45 | scorche|sh | and i think it was disucssed before, but autodetection really could use a progress bar (even if it is a simple window that says "autodetecting...") |
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| 23:42:06 | bluebrother | yep. |
| 23:42:41 | bluebrother | I want to rework quite a few things to make it more user-friendly. Currently I'm reworking the bootloader installation (that class became quite a mess) |
| 23:42:48 | scorche|sh | i hit it, didnt see anything...wanted to hit it again...noticed that rbutil was "frozen" and then waited a couple more seconds before it got done |
| 23:43:20 | scorche|sh | yeah...guiding instructions would be nice too, but you already know about that (it says so in the manual) |
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| 23:57:06 | Xqtftqx | Hey guys if i use the bootloader image change patch on the beast will it work? |
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