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#rockbox log for 2008-05-22

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00:07:23fmlbluebrother: coming back. Is it possible to tell whether the selected DAP type in the RbUtil matches the connected dap?
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00:08:37fmlI think it's possible. How the auto detect would work otherwise?
00:08:41bluebrotherfml: depends on. If it's a player with a unique USB PID then it's possible without any trouble
00:09:09bluebrotherif not you need to look more detailed. I.e. scan for specific files / partition layout
00:10:04bluebrotherand this scanning can take a few seconds. But it could be done in prior to installing anything
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00:13:25fmlbluebrother: in my case, auto detect worked Ok, and this would prevent installing a wrong build (e200 on h120)
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00:14:41bluebrotherfml: sorry, cardbus crashed my box :(
00:15:04fmlJdGordon: DerPapst said that the bug report I filed was for you
00:15:16JdGordonyeah, just saw it
00:15:22JdGordonill look into it today
00:16:03fmlJdGordon: the solution could be to switch the icons on and restore the original state when exiting the plugin. Just the first thought of mine.
00:16:39JdGordonyep, might have to do that
00:17:08fml...if that also would work on daps with small screens
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00:22:15AceNikuys is high-speed usb faster of full-speed
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00:22:44linuxstb"uys" ?
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00:22:55BigBambihigh speed is faster
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00:28:17bluebrotherscorche|sh: I just committed a small change. During autodetection the tree is now disabled (i.e. greyed out)
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00:28:56bluebrotheroptimally it would show a centered splash in the tree view, but now it's time for some sleep. At least there is some feedback now ;-)
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00:40:26BigBambigrimbeorn: can we help you?
00:42:02JdGordontake these pills 3 days a day after meals.... that should sort you out
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00:43:01grimbeornthanks, Dr. JdGordon
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00:46:05grimbeornwhere can I get those pills? and what are they called?
00:46:16BigBambion topic please
00:46:46grimbeornwell, JdGordon started this conversation
00:46:55BigBambiso lets end it now
00:47:17grimbeornmaybe JdGordon has something to add?
00:47:30BigBambigrimbeorn: seriously now...
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01:29:02TheGazRAnyone in here who was helping me out either today or last night?
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01:39:22XqtftqxCan some help me? im trying to add a patch and i get "File to patch:" and i dont know what to do
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01:49:32TheGazRHey, DerPapst
01:49:47TheGazRTurns out, the firmware WASN'T encrypted
01:49:53DerPapstgood :)
01:50:10TheGazRThough, I have had a very stressful day, but finally I feel that the Wiki is complete
01:52:23TheGazRI can't find the datasheet for one chip though :'(
01:52:39DerPapstthat's not so good :-/
01:53:47TheGazRbut somehow I've managed to find all the rest with lots of help from mcuelenaere today
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01:56:23TheGazRThere are nicer ways to come into a chat room Davide
01:56:25Davide-NYCQuestion: In five words or less, what is the MOD codec?
01:56:58Davide-NYCHello TheGazR, no worries mate, folks know I mean no harm.
01:57:00Shaida sequenced music format codec
01:57:13Shaiddo I win a prize?
01:57:14Davide-NYCThanks Shaid.
01:57:40Davide-NYCum, my thanks?
01:58:09Shaidwill that keep me warm at night?
01:58:36Davide-NYCI think that is conversation for #rockbox-community
01:59:15TheGazRDerPapst: Any ideas how I could make this mo'fo fail-safe?
02:00:23TheGazRFor about 5 hours we were trying to work out how to change the rom file
02:00:34TheGazRIn the case of a bad port
02:00:49Shaidhow is the firmware stored, and is there some kind of failsafe mode incase it becomes corrupted?
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02:01:39TheGazRHow the firmware is updated now: I stick a file on the hard disk, open it using the navigating mode on the device, and ti does the rest
02:01:47TheGazRand I couldn't find a fail-safe mode
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02:03:10TheGazRI should probably put those details on the Wiki realy
02:03:24Shaidand perhaps an image of the actual device
02:04:06DerPapstShaid: not sure if that wouldn't violate the copyright
02:05:19DerPapstTheGazR: honestly, i have no idea.... the only suggestion i could do is to try it out. e.g. try to figure out the firmware file format.
02:06:25DerPapstand then try to create a firmware with some arm assembly to sleep 5 seonds which then jumps to the firmware
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02:11:07TheGazRThe firmware file format is .bin
02:12:58DerPapstand 0x0 is already an arm instruction?
02:14:40TheGazRI don't know
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02:15:44DerPapstseems not
02:15:59DerPapstso you have to figure out the format.
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02:16:16DerPapstlike if there are any headers, what they mean, checksums etc
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02:17:14TheGazRwell, I ran the bin file through IDA Pro, and got lots of information
02:19:39DerPapstah ok.
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03:49:47Kornfan71Hey, I'm getting an odd error message on Rockbox on my Sansa e200. Anyone care to explain it?
03:50:29*scorche gazes into his crystal ball to find out the error message
03:50:54Kornfan71Data Abort at 00008000 (0)
03:51:46scorcheit means that there was a data abort at that specific memory is a bit useless to you, although do you have a way to reliably reproduce it?
03:52:16Kornfan71possibly. It happened over and over again while playing one certain song.
03:52:29Kornfan71couldnt make it stop...happens about 21 seconds in
03:52:48Kornfan71and I had it happen before...about 21 seconds into ANOTHER song
03:52:56scorcheeach and every time you play that song?
03:53:19Kornfan71Last I checked...I can look again if you want
03:53:26scorcheplease do
03:53:29Kornfan71alright brb
03:54:46Kornfan71this time it happened about 13 seconds in...same song
03:55:18Kornfan71totally locks up...takes a 10 seconds power button hold to make it turn off
03:55:30scorchehave you tried updating to the current build and then trying??
03:56:08Kornfan71this last time I used a 17xxx it had a bug w/ the previous im on.....
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03:56:33scorcheplease try with the latest build
03:56:44Kornfan71alright...gimme 7 minutes
03:57:00scorchethat build is around 700 revisions old..
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03:58:15Kornfan71i reverted to a older version awhile ago...
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03:58:40Kornfan71thought it was more stable....irony
03:58:55scorchenot necessarily
03:59:51TheGazRnight al
04:01:55Kornfan71ok trying again
04:03:02Kornfan71data abort at 00008D28 (0)
04:03:14scorchecan you host the file somewhere?
04:03:18Kornfan71different but.....about 25 seconds
04:03:34Kornfan71you mean the song?
04:03:38scorcheyes would be easiest...
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04:05:06Kornfan71you good w/ that?
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04:07:10Kornfan71scorche:is it ok if i email it to you?
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04:16:21fdinelanyone here with the sansa m200 v2 series ready for electronic probing? :)
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04:33:53Kornfan71scorche you there?
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05:31:32JdGordon|uniDavide-NYC: hey, you tried the trigger screen patch?
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06:39:51Davide-NYCJdGordon: you still here?>
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06:44:35alcholicaHello, I may be in the wrong place, but after spending hours looking and not getting anything to work I thought I ask here. I just converted over to Ubuntu from OS X and I am having trouble finding software that will convert avi files to mpg so that rockbox can read them. I have a pc and if anyone here can point me in the right directiong that would be very great. Thanks.
06:46:42advcomp2019the pluginmpegplayer wiki page has the info
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07:04:56JdGordonDavide-NYC: hey
07:05:17Davide-NYCBad news... After using the trigger feature (with aptch number 3) and making a recording I am no longer able to playback anything on the player even after a reboot. I just keep getting a codec failure. I think the file is not being written correctly to disk.
07:05:43Davide-NYCI can playback the file file from my pc using USB mode.
07:06:19Davide-NYCFWIW I use a fairly non-standard target: H1x0 with CFMod and RTC
07:07:03JdGordonthats odd.. and totoally gucked up :) and im not sure how this could have done it... but ok
07:07:28Davide-NYCI just unmounted the drive from bootloader USB mode and got an ATA error -80.
07:07:44Davide-NYClet me try this on my other target. (same mods unfortunately)
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07:10:39Davide-NYCJdGordon: There's also lack of remote button suport. *although* the remote induces noise in a recording so shouldn't be used for recording anyways, although I may be taking a purist approach that others do not take.
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07:24:39Davide-NYCJdGordon: Good news for you (bad news for me) there is something wrong with my CF card. When using my other CFMod+RTC H120 the patch works fine.
07:24:58JdGordonoh well...
07:25:24JdGordonim probably going to commit that patch tonight though, but ill remember to fix the remote keymap (por at least add it) before hand
07:25:33Davide-NYCWhat do you think should be done about remote buttons? Some folks don;t care about a little interference.
07:26:03Davide-NYCthe stop icon in the trigger screen doen't update either.
07:26:06JdGordonif they want to use them i wont stop them
07:26:49Davide-NYCHas there been any discussion about separating the core audio code from the UI code recently?
07:27:13JdGordonyour talking about the recording screen proper?
07:27:51JdGordonI tihnk petur hinted he might do it.. but dunno
07:28:06Davide-NYCIt would be a great step towards improving the WRS.
07:29:17Davide-NYCIf there's anything else you want me to test just holler.
07:29:39Davide-NYCI'm a very willing tester when it comes to all things recording.
07:30:40Davide-NYCUrghh, I now have a message on my primary H120 that says "no partition found". Any ideas?
07:31:40JdGordoncf is dead>
07:32:10Davide-NYCI'll attempt a re-partition, reformat. See if that helps.
07:32:33Davide-NYCI want to remind you that there are three remotes for the iriver H1x0 and H3x0 series.
07:33:03Davide-NYCOf course you do not have to consider the LCD-less remote, but the joystick one should not be forgotten.
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07:50:15Davide-NYCJdGordon: Bad news, it happens on both targets.
07:50:28JdGordonno it doesnt!
07:50:36JdGordon*this isnt a bug*
07:50:42*JdGordon waves hand wierdly
07:50:53Davide-NYCThese are not the droids I'm looking for?
07:51:05*Davide-NYC I could have sworn!
07:51:59Davide-NYCI can test on an unmodded H140 tomorrow if you think it'll reveal something CF specific.
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07:52:28JdGordonmore likely some wierd playback issue.... can you try with svn?
07:52:45JdGordonthere is a tiny bit of alogic changed in the patch, but 99.9% of it is ui
07:52:55Davide-NYCyou mean just a plain vanilla curent H120 build?
07:53:23JdGordonyou did a full rebuild and install right?
07:54:11Davide-NYCI'm using the pre7 bootloader and I'm booting from RAM.
07:54:24*Davide-NYC wants to die from embarassment.
07:55:53amiconnDavide-NYC: You tested both test builds on your h1x0?
07:56:32Davide-NYCbut I'm not booting from the right place.
07:56:33amiconnYour comment doesn't state which one you tried, and whether just one of them or both fix the problem
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07:57:02*amiconn is talking about the remote lcd problem in case that was unclear
07:57:26Davide-NYCnone of my testing thus far (today) is relevant.
07:58:00Davide-NYCI've been booting from RAN instead of HD the whole time. I apologize and am testing correctly now.
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07:59:59amiconnDavide-NYC: Does that mean that you don't have the problem even with SVN?
08:00:22Davide-NYCI didn't have the problem with SVN, no'
08:00:25*amiconn assumes you mean booting from *ROM*
08:00:41amiconnThen you don't need to test at all
08:00:55Davide-NYCquestion: how to I get into the bootmenu? (I can't remember)
08:01:07amiconnI have no idea
08:01:14Davide-NYChold switch.
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08:01:22*amiconn uses plain bootloader v6
08:02:00amiconnIf the remote is working fine in SVN for you, all slowed down test builds are guaranteed to work as well
08:02:41amiconnThe testing needs to be done on units where the remote doesn't like the high transfer speed
08:03:01Davide-NYCamiconn: I think you are confused as to what I am testing here.
08:03:04amiconnMy H180 is working fine with svn too - that's why I was calling for testers
08:03:19Davide-NYCI'm testing out JdGordon's recent trigger menu patch
08:03:22amiconnI am referring to your comment here:
08:04:04Davide-NYCOh. Yeah I had no problems with wither remote type.
08:04:43Davide-NYCI just have to remember to change my boot option when I do patch testing.
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08:07:18Davide-NYCJdGordon: The patch seems to be a OK! \o/ It is my brain that requires some serious patching.
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08:11:53JdGordonplayer is the only target without recording or quickscreen isnt it?
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08:13:34JdGordonhmm... one of the ondios doesnt record does it :/
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08:27:41amiconnJdGordon: Yes, the SP
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08:28:23amiconnThe Ondios have no quickscreen either.
08:28:58*amiconn wonders in what way the quickscreen is related to the recording screen though
08:33:12JdGordonthey both share code from option_select which nothing else use
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09:59:13pondlifeAnyone object if I commit the revised WPS context menu ( ?
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10:00:55Mouser_XSounds useful.
10:01:17pondlifeI think I'll just do it and await any flak.
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10:02:55pondlife'tis done.
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10:04:11Mouser_XWhat! What were you thinking!? This is horrible!
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10:05:17pondlifeHeh, you had 4 whole days to vote on it... and I didn't even hang up the "Beware Of The Leopard" sign.
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10:08:13Mouser_XI've been out of the loop for way more than 4 days...
10:08:30Mouser_XI'll stop now.
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10:13:21Lloreanpondlife: I predict a good deal of flack, and at least one feature request, probably about 3, to bring back EQ
10:14:11pondlifeLlorean: Are you sympathetic to that request? It's in Sound Settings....
10:14:20LloreanI'm not in the slightest.
10:14:28LloreanI'm the one who first explicitly stated EQ should not be in that menu.
10:14:29pondlifeWell that makes two of us.
10:14:58LloreanI just expect a *lot* of people who don't follow development are going to be caught off guard by its disappearance, and probably some will think it's a bug.
10:15:20scorchethen they should pay more attention to the commit log ;)
10:15:28scorcheand irc...
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10:15:35Mouser_XEQ? What's that? :P (I never use it.)
10:15:46LloreanWell, according to a custom build author at iAudiophile, nothing useful or interesting has happened in Rockbox since March anyway
10:15:49pondlifeI think I've asked around enough to pre-publicise this change.
10:16:08pondlifeThat's ok, he/she can use a March build if he desires.
10:16:09Mouser_XLlorean: What?! What about MOD support?
10:16:17Mouser_X(I find that worthy of note.)
10:16:25Lloreanpondlife: You've covered your ass, though one might say "just barely". I personally set the minimum boil time as "1 week", but I think this qualifies as a fix rather than a feature change.
10:16:37LloreanMouser_X: This was shortly before MOD support.
10:16:51Mouser_XThat just means they're impatient then.
10:16:56Mouser_XShould have waited.
10:17:04LloreanBut after improvements to WMA, fixes to metadata on buffer, the removal of a disk spinup every track change if dircache was off (disabling dirache being nice for the lower memory of those targets), etc..
10:17:58pondlifeLlorean: My hacking time is somewhat limted, I probably could have waited for the next window. But the change was approved by 70%+ of voters and I didn't think that likely to change.
10:18:43pondlifeFigured it's going to upset people whether I do it now or next year.
10:18:47Lloreanpondlife: Yes. And the justification for it is rock solid. I think it's fine.
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10:20:51pondlifeUnbelieveably, I seem to have once again killed the build server... Bagder??
10:22:32*pondlife suspects there's a line in the build scripts .... "if ($COMMITTER!='pondlife' ) dobuild();"
10:22:42pondlife(in some made-up scripting language)
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10:26:29LloreanThen again, it'll probably just get edited back in for custom builds, and a large portion of users will never know it's gone.
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10:27:16pondlifeWhat's the main driving feature behind custom builds now? Multifont?
10:27:50pondlifeI would think that album art and viewport support in SVN have reduced their use (or production) a little.
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10:29:58pondlifeBagder: ping
10:30:38Lloreanpondlife: Well, the person at iAudiophile's main reason for it is that viewports can't be inside conditionals.
10:30:57LloreanWhich would, I think, be resolved if you could have viewports conditionaled based on Album Art, and Pause.
10:36:33JdGordonpoor pondlife, builds realise its such a terrible commit its refusing to do the build :D
10:36:59pondlifeJdGordon: Actually, it might just have indigestion from your last 2 commits ;)
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10:38:58JdGordonis there any technical reason we cant allow viewports to be set up and enabled/disabled by a conditional?
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10:39:14pondlifeSeriously, given that I only commit about once every month, it's unlucky that my past 3 commits have all apparently killed the build server..
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10:39:23JdGordonor is it more of a case that we dont really wont it? or noone has done it?
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10:39:31linuxstb_JdGordon: They're processed at parse-time, rather than display time. Maybe that's a flaw that should be fixed...
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10:39:58linuxstb_i.e. the current implementation basically treats the WPS as many WPSs, one per viewport.
10:40:58pondlifeIsn't that a good thing (e.g. for a WPS-style status bar)?
10:41:13linuxstb_IMO we need conditional viewports though - to fully replicate the scrolling margins capabilities.
10:41:38pondlifeDid any more progress get made on a customisable status bar, btw?
10:41:52JdGordonproccessed how?
10:42:02*JdGordon needs to check out the wps code
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10:42:51JdGordoncustomisable SB wont be usable properly untill the entire UI can be drawn in a viewport instead of assuming it has the whole screen
10:43:07JdGordonwe are almost there...
10:43:12pondlifeWhat's remaining?
10:43:21JdGordonrec, fm are the main ones
10:43:24pondlifeAh, ok
10:43:55linuxstb_JdGordon: They're turned into viewport structs immediately, and not stored as tokens in the WPS token data. Each viewport contains "start" and "end" pointers into the token data, and the "wps_draw" function (or whatever it's called) simply iterates through all viewports, displaying all lines in that viewport.
10:43:58pondlifeOf course, those could perhaps be WPS-ified too...
10:44:04*linuxstb_ has to run
10:45:46JdGordonlinuxstb_: (for the log i guess..) couldnt a flag be added to the viewports to display them or not which would be set by a conditional... the only issue here is that the viewport would have to be drawn after the conditional (or worse case it gets done next redraw) ?
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10:51:41*JdGordon reckons it could be done
10:52:58Mouser_XDarn tootin'!
10:53:12JdGordonwhats the viewport token tag?
10:55:24*JdGordon bbl
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11:23:56fmlIs the build server down?
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11:25:31JdGordonit hasnt picked up the latest commit
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11:26:54B4gderit does have a bug which makes it miss commits occasionally
11:28:18fmlJdGordon: and a nice one!
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11:43:56pondlifeB4gder: It always seems to miss my commits...
11:44:23B4gdernow is that a coincidence or not? B-]
11:44:39*pondlife is naturally paranoid - please don't stoke it... ;)
11:45:02B4gdersorry, the voices in my made forced me to type that
11:45:02pondlifeThe delta table looks a bit confused too...
11:45:12*B4gder can't type head
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11:52:18markunB4gder: in the uclinux source tree of sigma I have found some patch conflicts from an atmel related patch. Strange.
11:53:06B4gderwell, hardly a surprise that may not at all be the actual code they use...
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11:54:04markunI wonder why they applied an atmel patch in the first place.
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11:54:43B4gdercan't that be from the source where they got the uclinux tree from?
11:56:15B4gderuclinux is very commonly cloned and developed on elsewhere
11:56:27B4gderso there are a bazillion of very similar ones
11:56:33B4gderthat hardly ever merge
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12:20:56pixelmaJdGordon: I noticed that in your rectrigger diff there is also a change in the Id line of the c200 keymap file. With my keymap patch(es) I had that too and been told now that this is because there is an additional : in it in SVN which doesn't belong there. Do you think it's worth it to fix it seperately beforehand?
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12:41:23Buscheldamn, i forgot one usecase when reworking the mpc buffered seek :(
12:41:28Buschelneed to do an update
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12:44:44blivi have a problem using pictureflow on h320. You reckon you might be able to help?
12:45:30B4gderas you can see, we're many people here quite possibly someone can help
12:46:07blivCool thanks, it says "could not allocate temporary buffers"
12:46:28pixelmado you have music playing?
12:46:33Nico_Pbliv: did you stop playback?
12:46:51blivhmm mayhmm yes'
12:49:04blivKk thanks that worked. Now i just have question marks. However i see album art in WPS
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12:51:52blivHow to you reset database?
12:52:53crash91bliv: Long press database and select Initialize
12:53:23crash91bliv: Long press the select button i mean
12:54:14blivThanks mate
12:55:18crash91bliv: you need to restart for the database to completely finish rebuilding.
12:55:57blivOh btw if i use Media Monkey is there any way to transfer my ratings of songs over to Database?
12:56:14crash91bliv: Depends on what player you have.
12:56:31pixelmacrash91: ?
12:56:50crash91pixelma: Recent and Ratings dont work on the sansa..
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12:57:22blivSo can it be done?
12:57:31crash91oh wait...You cant transfer ratings in any case...I dont think so.
12:57:45blivdamn kk thx alot
12:57:55pixelmacrash91: what should be different on Sansa?
12:58:06blivanytime in the future ? :P
12:58:58crash91pixelma: Sorry i got a bit muddled, but IIRC Recent items in database work on the ipod, but not the sansa.
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13:01:12LloreanBuschel: Regarding r17604, does this mean there's no maximum filesize for seeking in MPC, but the granularity can decrease a lot in excessively large files.
13:01:24BuschelLlorean: yes
13:01:37LloreanSpecifically, if I were to be seeking in say an 18 hour audiobook, would I be looking at a very low granularity?
13:01:49LloreanIs it linear, I suppose.
13:02:01pixelmacrash91: works on my c250... would have surprised me if not
13:02:06Buschelyes, it is linear. but at least it is working now
13:02:09LloreanEr, very "poor" since I guess "low" vs "high" could be confusing.
13:02:13LloreanAre there plans to improve it, then?
13:02:15blivSo is their anyway to transfer my ratings from Media MOnkey to my Player OR at least edit ratings on the computer for rockbox.
13:02:43crash91pixelma: Well, I have an e250.
13:03:01pixelmaagain: what should be different there?
13:03:09BuschelLlorean: if you want fast seek -> no. musepack sv7 is not streamable, you'll have to step through the stream
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13:04:13LloreanI mean people shouldn't be using mpc for audiobooks anyway.
13:04:28crash91pixelma: Well last i checked it doesnt work but I have absolutely no idea why.
13:04:49Lloreancrash91: If the setting's there, but it doesn't work in current SVN releases, why haven't you filed a bug report?
13:05:43pixelmaI guess it was a user error then because it uses the same code after all
13:06:42preglowLlorean: why is this a problem? ogg files are just like this and there we don't even try to build a seek table
13:06:53preglowand ogg is used for audio books
13:06:56crash91Ive just checked, nothing is listed in Recently played and everything is in "Never played"
13:07:14Lloreanpreglow: Well, I didn't know Ogg is like this.
13:07:16pixelmacrash91: do you have "gather runtime data" enabled?
13:07:37crash91pixelma: Aha, that must be it. No, i didnt
13:08:03preglowLlorean: it is, you have to step through each ogg packet looking for a specific granulepos when seeking
13:08:04BuschelLlorean: one of the main disadvantages of sv7 mpc is that you cannot sync on frames. that's why the seeking is quite difficult. sv8 corrects this
13:08:07fml bluebrother: the selected device is not visible after you click on e.g. 'Install Rockbox'
13:08:35LloreanBuschel, preglow: Well I guess accurate to within 8 seconds on the longest files *I* could imagine using isn't too bad.
13:08:53preglowit's as accurate as you want, i'd imagine, it just means it's slightly slower
13:09:06preglowyou can still seek more accurately, the seek table just gives you a good early estimate
13:09:10LloreanWell, it's as accurate as you want if you compile a customized build of Rockbox.
13:09:12preglowi don't know if this is how we do it for musepack now, of course
13:09:52preglowi doubt we deal with this properly even for mp3, where the seek table is tiny
13:09:55preglowand inaccurate
13:09:57LloreanSeems like "expected differences in codec behaviour" might belong in the manual, now I think of it. NSF's strangeness with subtracks, for example. Or codecs that don't seek (the same way as others)
13:10:35preglowwe'll pretty much always have notable differences
13:10:41preglowso yeah, i guess some manual mention should go in
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13:11:17Mouser_XSID has subtracks. Another reason why I'd like them to stop playing infinitely.
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13:12:30LloreanMouser_X: But that requires some form of external metadata, doesn't it?
13:12:43preglownot the subtracks, but proper track lengths do
13:12:59preglowi wonder if that text file might be massagable into something that rockbox can read faster
13:13:06LloreanWell yes, but without proper track lengths it's difficult to do anything reasonable with the infinite looping.
13:14:29pixelmahopefully mod won't loop infinitely too someday soon (the old codec could find the track ending so it must be doable)
13:16:27preglowit is doable, but it will sometimes miss
13:16:38preglowit basically just finds the spot in the mod that loops back
13:16:47preglowand that isn't the right spot in some mods
13:16:59preglowso this detection will actually render some mods unplayable
13:18:37preglowi guess codec settings are inevitable
13:19:44amiconnMany modplayers are able to detect the proper end (e.g. DeliPlayer), so it's definitely doable
13:20:19pixelmahmm... IIRC some mods also looped infinitely with the old codec but I can't remember that it skipped too early (have not tested a large amount though, about 100)
13:20:21Mouser_XNSFs only play for 2 minutes, and then skip to the next song on the subset. Or you could "seek" to the next song in the subset by holding previous/next. If you have "repeat 1" on, it will play every song in the subset infinitely. You can skip to the next song by pushing previous/next (no holding necessary).
13:21:12Mouser_XIf it's NSFe, then it can have specific track times.
13:21:40Mouser_XSID could be done the same way (excluding the way that NSFe works of course).
13:21:41preglowamiconn: sure, we could always sequence through the entire file for a long time, then employ pattern recognition :)
13:23:31Mouser_XAs it stands right now, I find SIDs to be essentially useless. All I ever hear is the first song in the file looped too many times, and then I skip to the next file (not the next song in the file).
13:24:14Mouser_X(Could just be me, but I haven't figured out the exact time necessary to hold the button to skip to the next song in the subset.)
13:25:33Mouser_XThus, if I am to do this, I need to take the DAP out of my pocket, turn off hold, and watch what I'm doing. This gets to be entirely frustrating, if I am to attempt doing this for every song in the SID.
13:25:50*pixelma wonders if the mod codec gets a correct "slot" in the WPS codec conditional, only tested with plain displaying the codec which worked correctly
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13:26:27Mouser_XWhile I agree that NSF isn't perfect (there are some that don't even play through once in 2 minutes), it's better than SID.
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13:26:55Mouser_XAnd you can always turn on "repeat 1" if you want to make sure you hear the whole thing.
13:27:10B4gderhow on earth do they have multiple SIDs in one file?
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13:27:23Mouser_XMultiple songs in one SID file.
13:27:38B4gderis there then a TOC somehow?
13:27:58preglowmultiple sids in one file is perfectly standard
13:28:31B4gderstandard how? isn't sids just the songs in 6502 assembly?
13:28:57preglowstandard as in half of all sids files i've ever listened to have had multiple tracks in them
13:29:05preglowi don't know how it's done technically
13:29:34preglowi guess you'll see it more often in games than in scene stuff
13:29:37B4gderI just can't think of any original c64 way that ws done
13:29:48preglowsidplay did it
13:30:00Mouser_XIf a SID is at all like an NSF, then it's actually a collection of data. An NSF is created from a NES ROM, removing the cruft that is unecessary for audio. A SID, if pulled from a Commadore 64 program, could be the same way.
13:30:04B4gdersure, but I speak of the actual binary data
13:30:07Mouser_XBut I don't actually know how SIDs are done.
13:30:17preglowMouser_X: sids and nsfs work the same
13:30:40preglowmost sane game formats do, with the odd exception
13:30:43*B4gder is the author of a SID editor and playback routine
13:30:45preglowlike .gym
13:30:50B4gderback in the days
13:30:58preglowB4gder: which is why it surprises me you haven't heard of it :>
13:31:00Mouser_XGYM is very different. That's a logged format.
13:31:13B4gderpreglow: as I say, that's not related to the actual binary
13:31:19B4gderwhich is why I'm curious
13:31:27Mouser_XGYM (and VGM) has more in common with streamed formats than (most) emulated formats.
13:31:34B4gdersomeone somehow must add meta data
13:31:43preglowi've coded a sid loader myself, and now that i think of it, i can't remember having seen any details on this
13:32:03preglowlong time ago, though
13:32:25Mouser_XB4gder: The only metadata I know of for SIDs is some nasty database type of thing... I'm really not sure though.
13:32:50preglowanyone think i can persuade the "rockbox player" people to stuff a 6581 in there? :>
13:33:05B4gderwell, I can't rule out that a large chunk of facts may have fallen out of my brain
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13:34:03Mouser_Xpreglow: PSF doesn't contain all the songs in one file. Though, for those xSF formats that are based on ROMs, most contain the songs in the xSFLIB file...
13:34:39Mouser_XSorry, off-topic. I'll stop.
13:34:41preglowpsfs still use the sid scheme, though
13:34:49Mouser_XHow so?
13:34:52preglowthey're programs
13:35:24preglowi wonder how many logged formats there are, and why someone started using that scheme at all
13:35:59Mouser_XTrue. But if they're PSF (as opposed to miniPSF), they only contain 1 song. The miniPSFs also contain only one song, but there's enough data common between the various PSFs, that it saves on space to have all that common data in the xSFLIB file.
13:36:46Mouser_XThe only logged formats I know of are VGM, GYM, and SPU (which is logged PSX stuff).
13:37:24JdGordonpixelma: meh, I'm not one to care about how small a commit is.. (look at my last diff....)
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13:39:43Mouser_XSorry to have gotten into that... I only intended to explain how NSF currently worked, and that SID would benefit from doing the same.
13:40:02preglowwe should figure out a consistent way to do sub tracks, though
13:40:22preglowi guess we already handle it with cue sheets
13:40:33Mouser_X(Though, it seems that some have argued that the current NSF implementation needs to be "fixed." True or not, that wasn't what I was talking about.)
13:41:05xouhi, is it safe to remove the Folders iPod_Control, Contacts etc from my iPod nano if i am sure i am never going to use the iPod firmware any more?
13:41:54Lloreanpreglow: Would cue sheets work for subtracks in NSF/etc. Just a cue sheet listing how long each track should play?
13:41:56preglowxou: yes
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13:42:17preglowLlorean: i don't really know how the cuesheet stuff works internally
13:42:18xouok, thanks!
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13:42:23Mouser_XEven if NSF needs to be fixed, I say that getting SID to follow its lead for now (and fix it later with NSF) would be good.
13:42:43Mouser_X*fix it and NSF
13:42:44JdGordonpixelma: you around?
13:43:30JdGordonwhatcha rekon aobut the 2 line settings? commit as is and see what people that actually use the screen say?
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13:44:22Mouser_XLlorean: There's an implementation for NSFs (and GBS, and a few others) that use M3U files to specify time, tracks, titles, etc.
13:44:40Mouser_X(I prefer NSFe, but other do not. I'm not sure why.)
13:44:56pixelmaJdGordon: I couldn't test on the target with the smallest screen... didn't hurt me on M5. Haven't tested on c200 yet but probably should as that has a small screen too
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13:45:58preglow2 line setting?
13:46:07JdGordonin the rec trigger screen
13:47:42JdGordonthats a "yep, go for it... I wont notice the diffrenrce" ?
13:48:04preglowthat's a "i hardly ever even enter the recording screen, and wouldn't be able to give a helpful comment"
13:49:13B4gderI've have been in the recording screen, but only by mistake ;-)
13:49:38preglowi've noticed that the recording screen does tend to have rather a lot of its own solutions to things, though...
13:50:05pixelmanot so nice... with the font I use on the c200 I get 5 lines in the scrollable settings part, so it is comparable to the Archos screen... and it feels like the space is wasted, probably because the c200's screen is more a "widescreen"
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13:51:58pixelmathe thing that could bother someone who uses triggered recording regularly most is that you need to scroll for adjusting the thresholds ("for at least" is between the two and is important too)
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13:53:53Mouser_XFS #8078 has a method for splitting NSFs.
13:54:18Mouser_XI think HCS didn't commit it though, because such playlists can't be created from on-target.
13:54:42Mouser_X(Though, the code might not be clean either.)
13:55:06JdGordonits just... to put it back on one line it will be a bit hacky, unless i can do each line like "trigger: off" (i.e the value isnt right aligned)
13:55:41pixelmamod codec in a WPS conditional works btw... now to update the included themes that have codec bitmaps...
13:55:51*JdGordon realised his tree is clean so leaves this for later and gets onto conditional viewports
13:58:43pixelmaJdGordon: couldn't it use 2 viewports? I could imagine putting it on one line without the right alignment of the value quite well unless the line has to scroll (which I know it does on the Archos screen for some settings, at least in German) :\
13:59:12preglowMouser_X: i'd say any solution that requires you to create playlists on a computer is unacceptable
13:59:14JdGordonwell, I'm trying to use the standard list code...
13:59:41Mouser_Xpreglow: Understandable. I only bring it up as a possible solution.
14:00:07Mouser_X(Perhaps a method could be devised to allow creation of such playlists on target. A plugin or something?)
14:02:19Mouser_XIMO, that sounds reasonable. Implement specialized playlists for SIDs, NSFs, ect, and a plugin that can create said playlists.
14:02:55Mouser_XHow are cue sheets made (if NSFs turn out to be handled in that manner)?
14:03:21JdGordonNico_P: you round?
14:04:20JdGordongot a min for some wps fun?
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14:05:44preglowMouser_X: why would we want to involve playlists?
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14:06:13JdGordonI want to add a tag "%Ve|blaa|yes" which you could stick in a conditional.. what it would do is tell the rest of th code to ignore a vieport or not.. problem is in get_token_value() you dont have access to the origional wps text do you? would the only way to do this is like images and give it a letter and set it up during the parsing stage?
14:06:19preglowi really think we should treat subtracks as first-class citizens, that is asking for complexity issues
14:06:29preglowshould NOT treat them as...
14:06:51preglowmy kingdom for writing skills
14:07:02Mouser_Xpreglow: I am not at all familiar with cue sheets honestly. Playlists are one method I'm familiar with.
14:07:28Mouser_X(This is why I asked how cue sheets are created. Can they be made on-target?)
14:07:56leftrightpreglow: Hi, I have an album which has bumpy track transitions, would you be interested in it for gapless trouble shooting purposes ?, the album isn't supposed to be gapless but perhaps it is a good example of bad track transitions.
14:08:11leftrightits mp3
14:08:44Nico_PJdGordon: no, there's no access to the original text. maybe giving a letter could work
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14:11:11leftrightwould anyone else be interested in this album with bumpy track transitions ?
14:11:18*Buschel is such a horse....
14:11:20Buschelfound the bug
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14:14:00preglowleftright: what kind of file?
14:14:20Mouser_XI thought he said it was MP3.
14:14:38leftrighturmm, its a album with 5 mp3 tracks
14:14:43preglowleftright: sure i'll take it
14:14:53leftrightok should I pastebin it ?
14:15:06preglowleftright: pastebin an album??? is that possible?
14:15:07leftrighter rather "yousendit"
14:15:20preglowdo whatever you wish, dcc/email/upload
14:15:26DerPapstheh.. maybe base 64 encoded :-P
14:15:43B4gderand rot13 encrypted!
14:16:26preglowi prefer blowfish-encrypted data by carrier pigeon, but i realize i can't have everything my way
14:16:43leftrightpreglow: would you mind giving me an email address that I can use for yoursendit please
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14:26:04*JdGordon doesnt get the wps stuff :/
14:26:51Nico_Pwhat don't you get?
14:27:23JdGordoneverything :p
14:27:29JdGordonalso, im pretty tired
14:28:38JdGordonarg, bbs
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14:36:29leftrightpreglow: gotta run and yousendit has turned out to be complicated, will send the album in a few days time, Many Thanks.
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14:57:53JdGordonNico_P: shouldnt gwps_common.c:1993-1999 be outside the for (v = 0; v < data->num_viewports; v++) loop?
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15:06:58JdGordonI dont suppose anyone is around that would whip up a really quick wps which they want to conditionally show a viewport?
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15:38:05JdGordon:'( Why am i being told "No Token" !?
15:38:40JdGordon"Failed parsing on line 3 : Invalid parameter list for token 7: "No token"", line 3 is... "%V|6|0|208|176|1|000000|B6C6E5|0|"
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15:42:21pixelmathe last 0 belongs to your changes?
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15:43:58JdGordonim trying to make that extra one optional
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15:51:43JdGordonunclosed conditional?
15:52:59pixelmaquestion? ;)
15:53:26JdGordonarg, my parsing is broken... but im getting closer
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16:11:33JdGordonit almost works :D
16:11:47LambdaCalculus37Yay! :D
16:12:24JdGordongetting closer!
16:13:33*LambdaCalculus37 gets the confetti ready
16:15:43JdGordonNico_P: I'm gonna need your help here.... (if youve got a minute)
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16:19:55JdGordonand its now working! excpet with a nasty issue which I'm not sure how best to fix it
16:20:25*JdGordon checks how images are done
16:21:35JdGordonhmm.. images are always redrawn!
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16:28:55*JdGordon is getting himself very confused
16:29:36JdGordonI need to set some flag saying that the viewport was previously hidden but now its visible so redraw the whole thing (and other way around) but not sure how to
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16:40:17shrizzaSo, just wondering if the iPod CPU frequency scaling bug has actually been fixed yet.
16:40:46shrizzaWithout significantly compromising battery life, of course.
16:41:44scorche|shlooooooong time ago....try a new build and see ;)
16:45:39*JdGordon back to almost getting it working
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16:45:59JdGordondamn logic errors and it being 12.50am :p
16:48:58*JdGordon freeking kicks ass!
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17:00:07JdGordonamiconn: is bmp drawing "expensive" once you have the bmp in a buffer?
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17:03:30JdGordonNico_P: pixelma: linuxstb: (anyone else interested!) FS #9027
17:07:25PaulJam_JdGordon: will this work within alternating sublines?
17:07:43JdGordonone way to find out....
17:07:57JdGordonit should...
17:08:28JdGordontest it out and let us know? :)
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17:09:52PaulJam_i'm already compiling an uisim
17:10:58JdGordonwas my explanation understanable?
17:12:22PaulJam_i guess. i'll ask if i have additional questions or if something doesn't work as expected
17:13:27JdGordonask away... but its after 1am here so im heading to bed.. eventually :p
17:14:11PaulJam_well, i also have a flyspray account. so i don't think this will be a problem
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17:29:40TheGazRWould you consider a device to be bricked if it does something?
17:30:49JdGordondepends on the something..
17:30:57gevaertsBricked usually means "unrecoverable", so you first have to try a lot of things
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17:31:09*gevaerts can't suggest things unfortunately
17:31:17gevaertsWhat exactly happens ?
17:31:36TheGazRwell, I misunderstood something that was said, now I turn on the device, and the only thing that happens is the hard disk starts spinning
17:31:47PaulJam_JdGordon: are the Viewports still not allowed to overlap even if only one of them is shown at a time?
17:32:15gevaertsWhat happens if you plug in the usb cable ? (both before the device starts, and after)
17:32:55Nico_PJdGordon|zzz: sorry, I was sleeping
17:34:02gevaertsWhat did you do to get it like this ?
17:35:01TheGazRwell, it's highly embarrising, but: I told last night to test a bad flash
17:35:17TheGazRso I figured a bad flash to be turning the device off mid-flash
17:35:27TheGazRso I did that :S
17:36:44gevaertsouch :(
17:37:22TheGazRfeel like a right idiot, heh
17:37:47gevaertsDo they have some sort of support line or email ?
17:37:49TheGazRI'm just clinging onto hope that there's something I can do
17:37:53TheGazRI've sent an email
17:43:39gevaertsLet's hope that there is some sort of magic key combo
17:44:03gevaertslinuxstb: is the logik dax build supposed to compile ?
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17:44:27TheGazRYeah! I hope so
17:45:16gevaertsIs it still under warranty ? (except that you opened it of course, that could be tricky...)
17:45:33TheGazRIt is still under warrenty, but I opened it
17:45:35TheGazRyeah :P
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17:46:02TheGazRIt's my own fault! I was an absolute idiot! and now I'm left with a 120Gb laptop hdd at best (Unless I can find a fix)
17:46:24linuxstbgevaerts: No, I don't think it does. I've only been working with the bootloader so far.
17:47:07TheGazRServes me right for buying cheap devices with dire firmware really :P
17:47:20gevaertslinuxstb: The bootloader doesn't compile either. It complains about missing VOLUME_MIN and VOLUME_MAX in sound.c
17:47:31linuxstbThat must be new...
17:48:18linuxstbThe easiest fix would probably be to not compile sound.c for bootloader builds.
17:49:38gevaertsProbably. The bootloader doesn't really need sound
17:50:12markunI think sound.c is compiled to do the hardware init
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17:51:06LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: I don't know about the Logik DAX, but I was able to compile an m200 bootloader with no problems.
17:51:12gevaertsIt doesn't seem to matter. If I don't compile sound.c the bootloader build completes
17:51:23LambdaCalculus37Compiling a build just needed me to "make bin" instead of just "make".
17:52:19gevaertsWhen was that ? The VOLUME_MIN and VOLUME_MAX was added about a week ago
17:53:10LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: On Monday, when I uploaded those photos of the bootloader running on my m240.
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18:11:00jasondazedDoes anyone happen to know if Rockbox will support .m4b encoded files?
18:11:16LambdaCalculus37It already does.
18:11:28n1shmm, when did the "open with..." menu item get removed from the wps context menu, and should it be put back or removed from the manual?
18:11:35jasondazedOk, thanks
18:11:41LambdaCalculus37As long as the files are DRM-free.
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18:12:06amiconnn1s: Umm, it needs to be restored
18:12:37amiconnIt's needed e.g. for the spliteditor
18:12:37n1samiconn: ok, I'll look into it
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18:14:35linuxstbgevaerts: Maybe it's simpler just to fix sound.c for the DAX, so we don't clutter up the files with more #ifdefs. The linker will probably ignore all of sound.o for the DAX anyway.
18:15:02linuxstb^for the DAX bootloader
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18:24:01pondlifen1s: I never saw Open With in the WPS context menu...
18:24:24n1spondlife: i think it was gone before your patch
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18:25:00pondlifeWhat did it do? Let you play the track again?
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18:26:33n1sopen the regular open with menu for the current file allowing opening it with a viewer like splitedit, properties, etc
18:26:44n1si checked in your manual patch btw
18:27:48pondlifeI saw, thanks
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18:29:55pixelmapondlife: what did you do to it?
18:30:11pondlifeReinstalled Windows :/
18:30:23pondlife...and everything else.
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18:30:46pondlifeWish I'd taken notes on what I did now..
18:31:43pixelmado you have all the packages (e.g. the unicode one too)?
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18:37:46gevaertslinuxstb: you're right. Sound needs to work eventually anyway
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18:56:45merl1Is there any documentation for Rockbox's sourcecode ?
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18:58:26linuxstbmerl1: Not really, although the Rockbox wiki has some documentation about various things. There's a "for developers" section.
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19:01:03shift_hello.... I have just replaced some parts of my 2 ipod mini (both second gen)... then on both of them the scrollwheel, including action button stopped working.
19:01:14shift_the thing is when I press the action button the ipod turns on
19:01:36shift_and when I hold menu and action it reboots.... but withing rockbox or iPL loader... nothing =/
19:02:05shift_then one of them started working like new =/... would anyone know what might have 'caused it and how I could fix the other one?
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19:04:21shift_can't get to diag or disk mode while booting either. =(
19:05:43shift_ok... I guess that's a bit of a vague problem.
19:06:12shift_Are there any new ports of rockbox being worked on which would support any new devices (that are still in production)?
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19:06:59gevaertsThere are several ports in progress, yes
19:07:58shift_ok phew... 'cause I have been checking the site and haven't been able to see anything about new ports... so I felt a bit like rb was dying out =(
19:08:35LambdaCalculus37It'll die with the heat death of the universe. :)
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19:09:23LambdaCalculus37shift_: Take a look here:
19:09:33gevaertsHave a look at as well
19:10:40shift_ah... all but dying =).
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19:11:53shift_I really need a new mp3 player (whatever left of my ipod is going to die soon) and I have got quite attached to rockbox but haven't been able to find any targets still in production.
19:12:35gevaertsPorting time seems to be longer than the market time these days
19:14:04shift_are the ports being worked on in the svn tree?
19:15:26LambdaCalculus37They are.
19:16:03LambdaCalculus37But they're not 100% ready for release yet.
19:16:18bertrikHave a look at the build table:
19:18:23shift_thank you.
19:18:35bertrikit shows all builds that are currently in SVN, some of which do not show up on the current rockbox builds page
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19:22:35shift_hopefully i'll be able to write something usefull after i've done embedded programming next year =/
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19:23:26shift_or does it take more than a basic embedded programming uni course?
19:23:35gevaertsWhy not now ? I'd guess that most rockbox developers have never had an embedded programming course
19:23:39bertrikoh yes, I think embedded programming experience helps a lot with a project like rockbox
19:24:20shift_not now 'cause the most i've done in assembly was "Hello world!" and didn't get much past pointers and linked lists in C.
19:24:42LambdaCalculus37Rockbox is written primarily in C, with some assembly for platform-specific performance bits.
19:24:43*gevaerts is no good at assembly either
19:24:49merl1Someone knows where is the id3 support files in rockbox's sourcecode ?
19:24:55BigBambishift_: The vast majority of rockbox is in plain C, not ASM
19:25:24shift_Yeah, I am downloading the source now to have a look at how much of it I won't get.
19:26:54shift_the wiki seems to have heaps of dev documentation as well =)
19:27:03gevaertsThe best way to get started is probably to find some bug that annoys you and fix it
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19:27:27shift_the battery life
19:27:34bluebrotherIMO writing a plugin is easier as a start.
19:27:52bluebrotherthe nature of bugs usually makes them somewhat troublesome to catch ;-)
19:28:09*gevaerts wouldn't have picked battery life as the first thing to fix
19:28:17shift_i have written 'plugins' before... I had a new text input thing for my ipod where it turned the scroll wheel into a mobile -phone style input.
19:28:38shift_gevaerts: it's the only thing that annoys me. >.>
19:29:03bertrikpoor battery life is not really a bug, it's more a lack of a feature :P
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19:29:30BigBambimore lack of knowledge
19:29:31shift_which takes up the most power, reading the disk, decoding the audio or... something else?
19:29:50gevaerts"yes" :)
19:30:22*gevaerts isn't too familiar with power management actually
19:31:34bertrikI think it can vary a lot between players and I don't know of any systematic research into that
19:31:53bertrikAFAIK the backlight is a big consumer of power
19:32:11LambdaCalculus37shift_: Are you talking about the iPods in general?
19:32:49shift_LambdaCalculus37: Yeah... but especially my one.
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19:33:32LambdaCalculus37shift_: the minis?
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19:34:23LambdaCalculus37Well, I have a video and two 4th gens (grey and color). Out of those three, my video has the best battery life.
19:34:42LambdaCalculus37I can get roughly 11 hours on it, while I get about 6-7 hours with the 4th gens.
19:34:57shift_11 hours =O
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19:35:22LambdaCalculus37shift_: But not all of the iPods have the same battery life.
19:35:50shift_is it possible to power off some elements completly (hd,display), right now?
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19:36:10BigBambishift_: they are
19:36:30BigBambishift_: The display takes bugger all compared to the backlight, which has a time out
19:36:53BigBambishift_: And the hard drive does power down (as far as I am aware on all targets)
19:37:04BigBambi(*hard disk targets)
19:37:11LambdaCalculus37The display on the iPods never really "turns off".
19:37:24BigBambiLambdaCalculus37: But backlight does
19:37:34BigBambiAnd the display is not very hungry
19:38:52LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: That's the good part. :)
19:39:39LambdaCalculus37shift_: If you really want to get another target with good battery life and hard drive space, why not consider a non-iPod target?
19:40:23shift_LambdaCalculus37: I did, I just couldn't find any of those on ebay and none of them are in production.
19:40:58LambdaCalculus37shift_: Oh? The Gigabeat models turn up frequently on eBay.
19:41:12LambdaCalculus37shift_: Where are you located? USA? Europe?
19:41:48shift_Why the 'Ack!'?
19:42:19*gevaerts assumes that LambdaCalculus37 has an innate fear of Australians
19:42:30*LambdaCalculus37 speaks to JdGordon, doesn't he? :)
19:42:44gevaertsFrom a safe distance :)
19:42:51LambdaCalculus37More like "Crap, can't do anything at this point" type of "ack".
19:43:07LambdaCalculus37shift_: Try sellers that'll ship overseas.
19:45:33shift_Might just go for one of the targets in development
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19:46:36LambdaCalculus37Try for a Gigabeat S.
19:46:42LambdaCalculus37You'll love it. :)
19:46:52*LambdaCalculus37 proudly holds his up
19:47:01*bluebrother wonders if it's possible to get one at an affordable price
19:47:17BigBambibluebrother: they go cheaply on ebay periodically
19:47:35BigBambibluebrother: I think toffee said he missed a S60 for 62 USD the other day
19:48:20bluebrotherwow, that's cheap. ebay US?
19:48:22shift_I'll just not worry about it for now and wait till the ipod is gone beyond repair.
19:48:27BigBambibluebrother: I assume so
19:48:47bluebrotherit's always this annoyance with shipping and possible taxes :(
19:49:43BigBambibluebrother: shipping is bugger all (12 usd or so via a friend), and even if you have to add taxes onto that, 20% is still only another 12 usd
19:50:24shift_how safe is the script?
19:50:31BigBambiso call it 90 usd tops = 55 euros isn't too bad
19:50:36BigBambishift_: er, very?
19:50:49BigBambishift_: It just builds the cross compilers with the correct patches
19:51:46shift_ok good enough for me.... was just asking incase it had a tendency to overwrite current compiler or important libs or whatnot.
19:52:12BigBambiIt only installs the cross compilers, it doesn't touch your native compiler
19:52:22BigBambiin fact, it needs it to compile the cross compilers
19:52:47gevaertsYou can always change 'prefix="/usr/local"' to something else near the top
19:53:22*gevaerts thinks that is perfectly safe. Nobody has uttered threats against it recently
19:53:26shift_nuh nuh, I trust it... Just a bit cautious towards scripts.
19:53:43BigBambishift_: you can always read it and check first....
19:55:11bluebrotheror run it inside of a chroot'ed environment
19:55:53shift_bluebrother: I was about to, then figured instead of being paranoid... i'd just ask.
19:55:56shift_BigBambi: done.
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19:56:49gevaertsYou mean ask the people who wrote it if they added backdoors ?
19:57:04*BigBambi keeps an eye on gevaerts making dodgy commits that adds rm -rf / to
19:57:21*gevaerts hands shift_ a tutorial on safe paranoia
19:58:29mcuelenaerehow do you make a "ls"-tree in Linux?
19:58:58gevaertsls -R ?
19:59:10mcuelenaereyes, but I want something prettier :)
19:59:33mcuelenaeresome tree, which uses like the characters | and -
19:59:44mcuelenaerelike in dos, I believe it is called dirtree
19:59:59*bluebrother repeats: tree?
20:00:11bluebrothertree - list contents of directories in a tree-like format.
20:00:44mcuelenaerebluebrother: sorry, I didn't get it; but tree isn't available in the VMWare image :(
20:01:25bluebrothermcuelenaere: hehe, saying that is quite a bit confusing
20:01:58mcuelenaerebluebrother: thanks
20:02:03bluebrotherat least according to my package manager
20:02:24mcuelenaereapt-get in the current VMware image isn't really supportive..
20:03:19scorche|shyeah...i need to make a new image...
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20:29:58AeronthHem, I got a little problem here : Win XP doesn't recognize my ipod mini while running Rockbox
20:30:18AeronthI searched on the forums but I didn't find any relevant answer
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20:31:05LambdaCalculus37That's because Rockbox doesn't have a completely working USB stack yet.
20:31:12bluebrotherdoes it reboot into usb mode?
20:31:36AeronthItunes doesn't work.
20:31:46bluebrotherwell, that doesn't tell anything.
20:32:02AeronthHem, yes
20:32:11AeronthNo it doesn't.
20:32:28linuxstbAeronth: Manually enter disk mode - or start the original Apple firmware before attaching USB.
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20:33:53mcuelenaeredoes someone has a compiled version of flathdr ? (can be found in elf2flt package from µClinux)
20:33:56AeronthWow, thank you very much.
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20:38:08AeronthHaha, that's it. I forgot to upload the .rockbox folder... 'works fine now, thanks again !
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20:48:57hohui button behaviour question, sansa e260 here, if during playback i go into main menu/settings or something and press power button, both playback stops and it goes one level up, aint that confusing?
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20:55:18shift_gah... I keep fiddling with it, but the scrollwheel doesn't work... would anyone have any possible explanations why i can turn the ipod and and reset it using the scrollwheel, but not anything else?
20:56:14LambdaCalculus37Did you check the ribbon cable for the scroll wheel and make sure it's properly seated on the board?
20:57:21advcomp2019hoh, that is normal with the keymap that is on the e200 series
20:57:23shift_it might be damaged somewhere though... but then why would the same buttons that switch it on not work once (and while) loading.
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20:58:40LambdaCalculus37shift_: You're in luck...
20:58:50LambdaCalculus37They sell parts for iPods, and ship overseas.
20:59:43shift_I am not =(. the scrollwheel from the other ipod doesn't work on this one either
20:59:59shift_mother board damaged? O_o
21:00:31hohadvcomp2019: but why is it so confusing? inside system and plugins it just goes one level up and stops playback when the parent is the main menu
21:00:42hohotherwise it doesnt
21:00:46hohin settings it always stops
21:04:38advcomp2019are you comparing it to OF then?
21:05:26hohno, im saying its incosistent
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21:14:27advcomp2019it is not a bad deal with me
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21:26:09BigBambidoes speex only use .spx as an extension, or are there variations?
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21:26:39LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: Just .spx AFAIK.
21:27:10*LambdaCalculus37 goes to consult with the Great God of All Knowing, Wikipedia
21:27:32LambdaCalculus37I was right... .spx only.
21:28:06*gevaerts prepares a counterexample
21:29:58bluebrotheruh-uh ... found a bad thing(tm) in rbutil :o
21:30:20*BigBambi is updating the stats plugin with mising audio types, and elso adding videos and images to the stats - do people think things like sid and mod should go in with music, or in a separate category?
21:30:42BigBambime too
21:30:43bluebrotherit allows patching a h300 hex even when the device is h100.
21:30:59LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: Uh oh, not good!
21:31:38BigBambiAnd for images, jpg and jpeg only, or add in bmp for the targets that have rockpaint?
21:31:42bluebrotherit even produced a new hex file. Let's hope people are cautious enough until bootloader rework is finished
21:32:13BigBambibluebrother: will the OF not reject it?
21:32:23bluebrotherBigBambi: no idea.
21:32:32*BigBambi isn't willing to try :)
21:32:32bluebrotherI'd rather not try it ;-)
21:32:49bluebrotherbesides, my h120 doesn't have the OF anymore anyways
21:32:55BigBambimine neither
21:33:14bluebrotherbut rbutil should reject that. At least checksumming after patching should.
21:33:23TheGazRHow does a JTAG work?
21:33:38LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: bmp is opened by a viewer plugin (rockpaint), is it not?
21:33:51BigBambibluebrother: yes, it certainly should - I was just thinking in the meantime
21:34:05BigBambiLambdaCalculus37: yes, which is why I wasn't sure whether to include it
21:34:34bluebrotherTheGazR: depends. JTAG itself is only the hardware interface −− check for IEEE 1149.1
21:34:38LambdaCalculus37TheGazR: Wikipedia's got a good article with links on it:
21:35:12bluebrotherusually the term refers to a debugger (as those usually use the JTAG interface), but the protocol on top of it is hardware dependent
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21:35:50TheGazROk, looks like it's my only hope of reviving this device, so :(
21:36:38*bluebrother wonders what target TheGazR is talking about
21:36:57TheGazRI bricked my mp3 player earlier, I need to get the bin file in the flash memory again :(
21:37:42bertrikTheGazR: are you sure JTAG is the only way?
21:38:10*bluebrother still wonders ...
21:38:20TheGazRWell, I've been in a lengthy discussion with Mcuelenaere, and we're not sure
21:38:41mcuelenaereTheGazR: if it ain't possible to access the flash directly through JTAG, it should be possible to put code in SDRAM AFAIK (which could flash the chip)
21:38:51bertrikTheGazR: do you have a JTAG adapter and a connector on your target?
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21:39:07TheGazRNeither, I was just curious
21:39:54mcuelenaereTheGazR: -> scroll to JTAG header J7; does the picture looks a bit like your board?
21:39:56bertrikI'm not that familiar with JTAG, but I was under the impression that most flashes didn't have a TAP, so usually you use the boundary scan chain of the processor connected to the flash to talk to the flash
21:40:39bertrikit's a very tricky procedure and probably require custom software
21:42:10pixelmabluebrother: new port, see yesterday's logs
21:42:46bluebrotherpixelma: the GoGear?
21:43:10TheGazRMcuelenaere: No
21:43:32TheGazRI think I just don't want to accept the fact that I utterly screwed my device :(
21:44:25mcuelenaereTheGazR: perhaps there's a possibility you could access the device through serial
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21:45:16pixelmano, the AngoraVX435, there's a wiki page about it
21:45:27pixelma^ bluebrother
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21:46:19mcuelenaere"EM85xx Bootloader v1.0.0 (Nov 14 2006 16:29:33)" is in the firmware
21:46:47mcuelenaereso if you could find some serial pins (and with a bit of luck) you can debrick your fw using the method described on the URL I gave you above
21:48:18bluebrothernever heard of that
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21:51:48TheGazR:'( :P
21:51:53mcuelenaereTheGazR: can you (again) open up your player and search for a 10pin or 6pin serial?
21:52:06mcuelenaerea bit like at
21:52:24mcuelenaerethere should somewhere be one
21:52:30mcuelenaereor do you have some kind of dock?
21:52:40TheGazRI couldn't see anything like that
21:53:09TheGazRtaking apart now
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21:57:03TheGazRNo, there isn't anything
21:57:17BigBambidoes HAVE_LCD_BITMAP include only targets that are both SWCODEC and have LCD_SSD1815? i.e. of the HWCODEC targets are all those that don't have LCD_SSD1815 charcell?
21:57:59mcuelenaereTheGazR: no mention of "D" (with the quotes) ?
21:58:04mcuelenaerenear the EM85xx chip
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21:58:50linuxstbBigBambi: I think so. Why?
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21:59:22TheGazRNo, I can't see anywhere
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21:59:56mcuelenaereTheGazR: you can't see any pads?
22:00:13linuxstbBigBambi: Also, I thought Speex was in an Ogg container, hence .ogg would be valid. IIRC, Rockbox will play .ogg files containing Speex.
22:00:14BigBambilinuxstb: I'm trying to check for targets that have some form of video playback (either mpg or rvf). As mpeg player is built for al swcodec, and rvf for LCD_SSD1815, it would be easier to just check for LCD_BITMAP instead if it did the same job
22:00:19XqtftqxGuys is it possible for line in recording on the beast?
22:01:00TheGazRAt the bottom of the board there are 5 circles in a |-| sort of shape
22:01:23TheGazRif you like
22:01:25mcuelenaereback or front?
22:01:28bertrikCan't you just take a photo or make a scan of the PCB and post a link?
22:01:41TheGazRThere are photos up I think :S
22:01:53linuxstbBigBambi: Yes, that check is now (or soon will be) wrong - the m200 and Logik DAX are swcodec and have the LCD_SSD1815
22:02:13BigBambilinuxstb: OK - for the speex thing I'm just adding missing extensions to the stats plugin, so ogg is already there (albeit for vorbis or speex)
22:02:14mcuelenaereTheGazR: you made a scan yourself, didn't you?
22:02:16amiconnBigBambi: All swcodec targets have (or can have) mpegplayer, and are also bitmapped
22:02:26XqtftqxDoes anybody know if line in recording is possible on the beast?
22:02:30amiconnAll bitmapped hwcodec targets have video.rock
22:02:37TheGazRYeah, they didn't come out very well though
22:02:41*preglow wonders how mpegplayer looks on c200
22:02:42TheGazRThe best one I took is
22:02:57linuxstbBigBambi: .ogg isn't the only example. e.g. .m4a and .mp4 can both be either AAC or ALAC
22:03:15BigBambilinuxstb: will the m200 and DAX have either video.rock or mpegplayer?
22:03:34BigBambilinuxstb: yep, just so long as all the extensions are there - it is just for a total count of music files
22:03:53amiconnBigBambi: I'd expect mpegplayer
22:03:59BigBambiamiconn: thanks
22:04:13TheGazRCould that be it (Next to the button)
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22:04:32advcomp2019TheGazR, i think by the buttons
22:04:47mcuelenaerebertrik: &
22:05:03amiconnThey're powerful enough to decode mpeg video, and mpeg video will achieve lower bitrates than rvf
22:05:21advcomp2019at the edge of the board
22:05:24BigBambiamiconn, linuxstb: So for having any form of video playback, I'm save with LCD_BITMAP, but LCD_SSD1815 will soon not be a good check for rvf?
22:05:26mcuelenaereI count six of them
22:05:27amiconnThe greylib (or a greylib-like technique) are needed for both
22:05:51TheGazRI count six too
22:06:00amiconnBigBambi: Check for hwcodec *and* LCD_BITMAP - that means video.rock
22:06:07mcuelenaereonly 5 are required for JTAG, right?
22:06:08TheGazRit has the text: 1S behind it
22:06:09BigBambiamiconn: OK, thanks
22:06:14amiconnLikewise, swcodec *and* LCD_BITMAP means mpegplayer
22:06:35BigBambiamiconn: great, thanks very much
22:07:18mcuelenaereTheGazR: now the fun part starts: try figuring out which is which :)
22:07:53pixelmapreglow: mpegplayer looks ok on the c200, better than expected even though the display itself is not the best
22:08:05mcuelenaereTheGazR: could you follow the traces of those pads and look where they end?
22:08:15TheGazRI could try
22:08:31TheGazRA magifying glass would be most useful right now
22:08:49bertrikmaybe IS2 is the serial port?
22:09:02amiconnpreglow: On c200, mpegplayer has definitely no framerate problem wrt decoding, and the lcd controller is also fast enough to handle smooth playback at that resolution, even though the LCD1 bridge is way slower than the LCD2 bridge
22:09:11bertrik(top left, on the back of the board)
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22:09:37pixelmapreglow: it's just "widescreen" ;)
22:09:40mcuelenaerebertrik: you mean above the power connector?
22:09:44TheGazRThat's the power connector
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22:10:22mcuelenaerethere are 4 of them..
22:10:53mcuelenaereand serial needs 4, doesn't it?
22:11:24bertrikjust 3 I would guess, GND, RX, TX
22:11:56mcuelenaere -> on the picture I see GND, TXD, RXD & VCC
22:14:13TheGazROn the back it's the power connector
22:14:39mcuelenaereabove it
22:15:05TheGazRfrom the looks of it it's where the power connector is soldered in
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22:15:46mcuelenaereah yes of course :)
22:16:10TheGazRI think there's two possibilities
22:16:16TheGazRWhere we first looked
22:16:49TheGazRand if you look on this picture:
22:17:03TheGazRIf you look bottom left, you can see where it loooks like a connector should go
22:17:18fmlHello. I think 'Open with...' in the wps context menu makes no sense
22:17:26mcuelenaereTheGazR: that's a lot of connections.. :)
22:17:51TheGazRSo I'm thinking it's 1s3 :S
22:17:59fml90% of the entries can'r cape with music files
22:18:07bertrikwhere is the power connector?
22:18:23TheGazROn the back
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22:19:32bertrik1J1? 8J6?
22:20:48mcuelenaereand what about those big pads on the back, in the middle left?
22:21:20TheGazRThat's what I was refering to earlier
22:21:30mcuelenaereah ok
22:21:31TheGazRBertrik: 8j6
22:22:02TheGazRAnd 1s2 is the battery connector
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22:23:04mcuelenaerethe player has 2 line out? or a line in and out?
22:23:36bertrikok, in that case I think 1s3 is the prime suspect for either a serial or jtag port
22:23:53mcuelenaereI guess JTAG
22:25:12TheGazRA/v Out (For connecting to a TV) and a Y/U/V Out
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22:42:41bluebrotherdomonoky: why isn't iriver bootloader installation reusing the code from tools/iriver.c? It looks being mostly duplicated to me
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22:43:33domonokyoh, its a long time since i built this... i have to check the source.. :-)
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22:44:10bluebrotherwell, as I want to minimize dependencies upon the GUI during bootloader rework I'll most likely change that.
22:44:26bluebrotherrequires some small changes to iriver.c too, but that shouldn't be a real issue
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22:49:55domonokybluebrother: i cant find where it uses iriver.c, it seem i rebuilt everything of iriver.c in irivertool.h/cpp
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22:51:13*domonoky read it the wrong way... i probably rebuilt it completly, because of the outputs...
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22:54:52bluebrotheryeah ... but I want to minimize dependencies on the gui logger ;-)
22:55:18bluebrotheranyway, do you / we have broken firmware files around to trigger the error checks in irivertools.cpp?
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22:58:46preglowpixelma: very widescreen, i'd imagine :P
22:59:08pixelmayes aspect ratio wise :P
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23:10:08bluebrotheranyone familiar with scramble.c / iriver.c around?
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23:40:13pixelmaeh... a missing space behind the " leads to weird result :\
23:40:52pixelmawhen committing...
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23:42:30bluebrotherpixelma: I bet the first file after that wasn't committed
23:42:47pixelmayes, but it is in the commit message
23:43:09bluebrotherthat behaviour is quite explainable (and logic)
23:45:34pixelmastill annoying ;)
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23:45:45sbkIs there some magic way to get my sansa express to connect in MSC mode? I'm using linux, and I've been a happy rockbox user on the express for several months. However, now when I connect it, the battery charging indicator comes on, but it stays disconnected. No messages show up in kern.log. The sansa is still set to connect in MSC mode
23:46:26Lloreansbk: Where did you get a version of Rockbox for the Sansa Express?
23:46:50sbkfrom rockbox.the system still comes up, let me get a version number out of it...
23:46:59sbkI updated it maybe a couple of weeks back
23:47:01pixelmasbk: do you perhaps mean an e200?
23:47:07bluebrotherpixelma: just let svn invoke a simple editor ;-)
23:47:10sbkpixelma: yes, indeed
23:47:17Lloreansbk: The e200 is not the express.
23:47:22sbkmy mistake, apologies
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23:47:37pixelmabluebrother: is that possible in cygwin?
23:47:52Lloreansbk: Just follow the instructions to boot it into the original firmware when you need USB access
23:48:14bluebrothersure ... I just think you're restricted to a simple text-only editor. But I don't see why one would need a GUI editor for typing the commit message ;-)
23:48:39LloreanI'm pretty sure it just runs Nano if available.
23:49:08sbkLlorean: by original firmware, do you mean the sansa-delivered os/etc? I've updated the bootloader itself of course, and I'm able to boot into the original sansa user interface etc
23:49:12pixelmasbk: do you have a microSD inserted? This sometimes happens to me with my c200
23:49:16Lloreansbk: Yes.
23:49:19bluebrotheryou can set the editor executable in ~/.subversion/config. Check for editor-cmd
23:49:23sbkpixelma: no −− no microsd
23:49:44bluebrotherand if that isn't set $EDITOR is used
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23:49:59sbkLlorean: got it. Im currently indeed in the sansa os −− but it's unable to connect via USB
23:50:17bluebrothernano might be a nice editor for this task to try.
23:50:28sbkfwiw, the sansa version is 01.01.00P
23:53:47pixelmabluebrother: I could also just have hit enter without specifying the files (no other changes in my wps dir)... ;\
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23:56:39pixelmaoh well... commit_count ++ :P
23:57:28*preglow feels we can remove some of the bundled wpses
23:57:39preglowlike boxes, i don't believe too many people use it

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