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| 00:11:07 | toffe82 | mcuelenaere: there are some player already with this cpu http://mp4nation.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3228 |
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| 00:11:46 | mcuelenaere | toffe82: I know, that's why I posted the links about the chips |
| 00:11:51 | SgtPnkks | ok nothing is playing |
| 00:11:59 | toffe82 | mcuelenaere: ok |
| 00:12:22 | mcuelenaere | perhaps I'll buy one of those, if it seems rather port-able |
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| 00:24:33 | pixelma | SgtPnkks: do you know what type of musepack your files are exactly? |
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| 00:35:16 | SgtPnkks | the kind that you get when you encode to musepack... and they are playing now... not sure why they weren't |
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| 00:44:07 | BigBambi | SgtPnkks: There are different musepack stream versions - the version you have encoded to depends on the encoder - and some are not curently supported in Rockbox (hence pixelma's question) |
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| 00:52:12 | SgtPnkks | it's all stream version 7... but again i rebooted my player and it started working |
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| 00:55:25 | BigBambi | SgtPnkks: yes, stream version 7 should be fine - it is 4-6 that are no longer supported (IIRC) |
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| 00:57:35 | SgtPnkks | i guess the next step is digging up my doom wads :) |
| 00:58:08 | pixelma | yes, I found mention of "sv4-6" in the commit message bit didn't know the codec well enough to tell what "sv" stands for and hence couldn't make myself very clear in my question. Will try to keep that in mind :) |
| 00:58:20 | pixelma | s/bit/but |
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| 01:31:57 | pixelma | bluebrother: still around? |
| 01:36:06 | bluebrother | pixelma: yep |
| 01:36:52 | bluebrother | doing some MusixTeX stuff ... funny how fast I was able to catch that up again (it' more than 5 years ago I used it ;-) |
| 01:38:28 | pixelma | due to yesterday's discussion about mpegplayer I noticed that the chapter is missing from the greyscale Ipod manuals and I wondered about the best way to include it. Maybe it would be nice to just include it for every target that has lcd_bitmap and swcodec (that's what was said yesterday is likely) |
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| 01:39:16 | bluebrother | are there any greyscale targets around that don't have mpegplayer available? |
| 01:39:43 | bluebrother | if no I'd vote for lcd_bitmap && swcodec |
| 01:39:44 | pixelma | is there something speaking against that idea? It would be nice because you won't have a long list but will need nested \opts as far as I can see |
| 01:39:53 | BigBambi | bluebrother: amiconn told me yesterday that SWCODEC + LCD_BITMAP = mpeg player |
| 01:40:29 | BigBambi | in terms of ability |
| 01:40:32 | bluebrother | ok, then that's the way to go IMO. Nesting nopts won't work, but as long as it's only nested opts ... ;-) |
| 01:40:52 | BigBambi | not sure if they all it built yet |
| 01:40:52 | pixelma | it works, I already tried ;) |
| 01:42:19 | * | BigBambi translates his last sentence into English - not sure if they all build it yet |
| 01:42:26 | pixelma | I think most of the targets with builds available include mpegplayer (not sure about the fairly new ones) |
| 01:42:43 | BigBambi | pixelma: yes, it is just the new ones I was thinking of |
| 01:42:52 | * | pixelma thinks she got what BigBambi was trying to say :) |
| 01:43:13 | bluebrother | which ones? m:robe 100 already has greylib^Wredlib |
| 01:43:15 | BigBambi | pixelma: at least someone did :) |
| 01:43:21 | Llorean | Well the manual shouldn't be provided until a target is "supported", and it shouldn't be supported until "if mpegplayer can run on it, it does", right? |
| 01:43:46 | BigBambi | I think it just the in progress not offered ones that might not have it yet |
| 01:43:55 | pixelma | but there are no "current builds" for them available yet anyways, right? |
| 01:44:14 | BigBambi | yup |
| 01:44:32 | Llorean | I think it's okay to put it in the manual in expectation of it being there when it's released. Otherwise early manuals that, say, tell you how to play music, are a bit inaccurate too. ;) |
| 01:45:11 | pixelma | ok... will just commit that then :) |
| 01:46:03 | bluebrother | early manuals are usually kinda "buggy" anyway −− like missing keymaps. Or wrong ones due to CnP. |
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| 01:46:25 | pixelma | interesting that no-one noticed mpegplayer missing from e.g. the Mini's manual ;) |
| 01:47:22 | BigBambi | People tend to get directed to the wiki anyway for mpegplayer |
| 01:47:39 | Llorean | We don't have an officially endorsed method for making videos, and that's what 95% of the questions are about. |
| 01:48:07 | pixelma | I'd probably linked to the manual because the wikilink is in there too |
| 01:48:49 | BigBambi | WinFF is nice though - would be nice if we could get the updated presets in |
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| 02:28:43 | djpharoh | hey i just got a sansa e250 and when thinking about adding rockbox it turns out i have the v2 model, im wondering if i go ahead and try nothing will happen, or will very very bad things happen? |
| 02:29:01 | BigBambi | djpharoh: It will refuse to install the bootlader |
| 02:29:06 | BigBambi | *bootloader |
| 02:29:18 | djpharoh | oh so it just simply wont work |
| 02:29:21 | BigBambi | djpharoh: but you can tell - what is the version of the sansa firmware |
| 02:29:32 | djpharoh | v03.xx.xxx |
| 02:29:36 | BigBambi | that is a v2 |
| 02:29:43 | BigBambi | So Rockbox doesn't run on it |
| 02:30:02 | djpharoh | yeah just wanted to make sure if it wont run at all or just be really buggy |
| 02:30:09 | djpharoh | thanks for the clear up |
| 02:30:12 | BigBambi | the hardware is completely different |
| 02:30:54 | djpharoh | oh that i didnt know |
| 02:31:00 | BigBambi | With embedded programming like rockbox, it has to be tailored to the hardware - it isn't like a PC where it might run but crash - if the hardware is different it cannot run at all |
| 02:31:47 | djpharoh | i hear you |
| 02:31:53 | BigBambi | djpharoh: yeah, the v1 and v2 are completely different internally :( |
| 02:32:09 | djpharoh | yeah ill just wait on the v2 version of rockbox |
| 02:32:18 | BigBambi | djpharoh: well, no promises |
| 02:32:33 | djpharoh | oh you guys just might not even bother? |
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| 02:32:44 | BigBambi | djpharoh: It isn't a case of that |
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| 02:33:03 | BigBambi | djpharoh: Ports are done by interested owners, not by a rockbox 'team' |
| 02:33:10 | djpharoh | oh |
| 02:33:27 | djpharoh | lol im an interested owner i just have very little programming experience |
| 02:33:32 | BigBambi | djpharoh: A port is a massive effort, and without the actual player not possible |
| 02:33:41 | BigBambi | So you have to want to do it |
| 02:33:47 | djpharoh | wait |
| 02:33:58 | BigBambi | djpharoh: A few people are looking at it, check out the New Ports forum |
| 02:34:06 | djpharoh | cool |
| 02:34:14 | djpharoh | ill be sure to do that |
| 02:34:23 | BigBambi | but there are no timelines or guaranties |
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| 02:34:28 | djpharoh | of course |
| 02:34:35 | djpharoh | thats how it works when its opensource |
| 02:34:39 | BigBambi | yup |
| 02:35:13 | BigBambi | Existing devs of course give all the support they can, but a new port is such a lot of work, that you have to want to do it |
| 02:35:33 | BigBambi | and own the hardware to play around with it :) |
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| 02:35:55 | BigBambi | and find the hardware interesting enough to give up your spare time to work on it :) |
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| 02:38:58 | djpharoh | yeah i dont have the knowhow otherwise this thing would be in pieces on my desk |
| 02:40:01 | djpharoh | thanks again for the help |
| 02:40:11 | djpharoh | later everyone |
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| 03:05:55 | Jay_1 | BigBambi - I've got an e250 with Rockbox loaded and am extremely happy with it. But I'm curious about future development. MP3 players are constantly changing. It seems that most models have a run of a year to a year and a half. That seems to leave a small window for porting Rockbox to them. As the new models come out and the hardware is figured out (I know that's a major hurdle), how difficult is it to port the newest version of Ro |
| 03:06:13 | BigBambi | that depends |
| 03:06:34 | BigBambi | sadly, many new models have both completely undocumented hardware, and/or encryption |
| 03:06:46 | BigBambi | which make it much much much harder |
| 03:08:08 | preglow | and even when we have a fairly good grasp of what to do and how to do it, it still takes time |
| 03:08:12 | BigBambi | If hardware components are shared with already supported models, that can of course make it easier |
| 03:08:13 | preglow | ie. cowon d2 |
| 03:08:23 | BigBambi | yep, it is all relative |
| 03:08:26 | preglow | more people is always better, and we usually don't have too many people |
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| 03:10:13 | preglow | rockbox usually does trail a bit behind mp3 player releases, but that's how it's going to be unless a good number of skilled coders pop up for each target |
| 03:13:39 | preglow | as it is, i guess we usually have anything from 1-3 coders for each new target, and they do what they can in their spare time |
| 03:13:49 | preglow | it's good fun however slow it progresses, though :> |
| 03:15:24 | Jay_1 | Yes, that's what I figured. - Wow! 1-3 coders per target? I just assumed there were many more than that. Well whoever is responsible for the e250 port: Thank you. |
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| 03:18:15 | Jay_1 | I don't write code and am not a candidate, but what background is necessary for this type of work? C++? Any specific experience? |
| 03:18:45 | preglow | just plain C, mainly |
| 03:18:55 | preglow | and some assembler for performance sensitive parts |
| 03:19:36 | preglow | experience from embedded platforms is good, but what counts is mainly just being able to program for a platform with limited resources |
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| 03:22:54 | Jay_1 | The programmers I've worked with don't worry about that anymore. They just assume the application will have all the resources it needs. At least until problems appear. |
| 03:23:04 | preglow | most don't worry about that anymore... |
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| 03:23:46 | preglow | they should, but anyway, coding for mp3 players kind of force the issue |
| 03:23:59 | preglow | everyone can do it, it just takes a bit getting used to |
| 03:24:50 | preglow | but i guess that is a piece of the reason why we don't get tons of more coders working on new ports |
| 03:25:28 | preglow | you really are starting from bottom, having to program everything from the layout of your memory space to how graphics is displayed |
| 03:25:54 | Llorean | I'd say the largest part is probably just that a large portion of programmers are only really familiar with application level stuff. Dealing directly with hardware is, at best something they only dealt with briefly while learning, and at worst something they never encountered yet. |
| 03:26:08 | preglow | yeah |
| 03:27:10 | preglow | i'd still say it's all fairly simple, though, if you understand c programming well |
| 03:27:34 | preglow | but that doesn't stop it from being a bit intimidating |
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| 03:27:45 | Llorean | Yeah, I think it's the intimidation factor. |
| 03:27:55 | Llorean | I think many simply never try, rather than trying and giving up. |
| 03:28:13 | preglow | people seem to do that a lot when facing new challenges... |
| 03:29:41 | Jay_1 | From a non-programmer, it does sound intimidating. For those with the skills, I would guess it's very gratifying to develop a new port. The downside is that all of your hard work is only good for a couple of years, if you include remanufactured units. |
| 03:30:14 | Llorean | Well, a high percentage of the code works on all the players. |
| 03:30:44 | preglow | Jay_1: and i still very much enjoy all the work i've done on our first software decoding targets |
| 03:30:57 | preglow | the iriver h120 is still my preferred audio plaer |
| 03:30:59 | preglow | player |
| 03:31:34 | preglow | and like llorean says, some of the stuff i've coded will work on daps i buy in the future |
| 03:31:47 | preglow | i would have done it anyway, of course, i just enjoy a challenge :> |
| 03:35:27 | preglow | anyway, it's high time for sleep |
| 03:35:28 | Jay_1 | It's fortunate for the rest of us that you enjoy the challenges. I've only seen pictures of the H120. But I still have one of their SlimX portable CD players. That is very good technology as well, although I find the control unit a bit clunky. Thus, I've moved on to DAPs. |
| 03:35:28 | preglow | good night |
| 03:35:45 | Jay_1 | good night. thanks for the chat. |
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| 04:31:27 | Luis | Hello |
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| 04:31:58 | Luis | Is it anybody here? |
| 04:34:56 | advcomp2019 | Luis, yea there is |
| 04:35:51 | advcomp2019 | about 133 people but not sure if they are at their computers tho |
| 04:36:48 | Luis | I need some help. I am playing aroung with the rockbox code and I am adding some debug information. I am trying to check what is my ipod receiving through the serial port by adding the following code: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8624?getfile=16631 |
| 04:37:50 | Luis | I am trying to compile it but it seems like the dependency for extern serbuf is not well handeled. |
| 04:38:17 | Luis | The error is: LD rockbox.elf/home/luis/develop/rockbox/build/apps/debug_menu.o: In function `dbg_ports':debug_menu.c:(.text+0xe78): undefined reference to `serbuf'collect2: ld returned 1 exit statusmake[1]: *** [/home/luis/develop/rockbox/build/apps/rockbox.elf] Error 1make: *** [build] Error 2 |
| 04:38:35 | advcomp2019 | since i do not have an ipod, i do not know what is going on with at |
| 04:38:42 | advcomp2019 | that* |
| 04:38:54 | Luis | right |
| 04:39:20 | advcomp2019 | you can wait for someone that might knows |
| 04:39:41 | Llorean | The best thing to do is to ask in the patch task, since it's custom code by someone and they're most likely to be watching there. |
| 04:40:01 | Luis | Anyway I think the problem seems very general. I think I need to add the right file in the list of dependencies for the linking of debug_menu.c. Any idea? |
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| 05:05:40 | SgtPnkks | emergency... my player has frozen while running doom |
| 05:07:53 | advcomp2019 | SgtPnkks, what player.. have you tried resetting the player? |
| 05:08:19 | SgtPnkks | e200 |
| 05:08:28 | SgtPnkks | the buttons are not responsive |
| 05:08:35 | SgtPnkks | e280 specifically |
| 05:09:05 | Llorean | Hold down power for 30 seconds (or until it shuts off if less than that) |
| 05:09:24 | advcomp2019 | hold power up the 30 seconds |
| 05:09:35 | advcomp2019 | oops Llorean was faster |
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| 05:10:11 | SgtPnkks | thank you... i guess i wasn't holing it in long enough |
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| 05:10:41 | bliv | hey |
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| 05:13:09 | SgtPnkks | wow... the first time i've ever failed to beat level one of doom on the easiest difficulty |
| 05:13:43 | bliv | Is there anyway to have playlists auto update on my player (H320). For example, i created a auto playlist on Media Monkey for songs played over 5 times, will my player be able to detect changes in songs played therefore change songs in playlist. Thx |
| 05:14:24 | Llorean | bliv: No, Rockbox playlists are only basic M3U files. But you could try creating a custom tagnavi filter. I'm not sure how, but it should be documented in the wiki. |
| 05:14:46 | bliv | ok thx mate |
| 05:16:11 | bliv | So what playlists are auto playlists in rockbox. Just history and song count? |
| 05:17:18 | Llorean | I don't know what you're talking about. |
| 05:17:31 | Llorean | Playlists are m3u files that you launch through the file browser, or through the playlist catalog. |
| 05:18:12 | bliv | Ah yeah sorry i used playlist when i ment to say when your in the database and you can show list of recently played songs and song playcount |
| 05:18:23 | Llorean | The database can be customized, a lot. |
| 05:18:33 | bliv | Oh really |
| 05:18:35 | bliv | HOw?? |
| 05:18:46 | Llorean | As I said, I do not know the specifics, and to use the wiki. |
| 05:18:54 | bliv | kk thx |
| 05:20:19 | bliv | What changes are made with the current builds, because it always seems to be updated |
| 05:21:34 | Llorean | Every update has new changes. |
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| 05:21:38 | Llorean | They're shown on the front page of the site |
| 05:23:49 | bliv | Ye found it thx. |
| 05:27:35 | crope` | pimppi |
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| 05:55:52 | SgtPnkks | is there a specific file name for album art with rockbox? |
| 05:59:33 | Llorean | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
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| 08:58:24 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Around? |
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| 09:05:26 | amiconn | Hmm, the rockbox fat driver still seems to have a bug |
| 09:05:43 | amiconn | chkdsk found two lost chains on my mini G2 |
| 09:06:20 | amiconn | Both of them were old config.cfg fragments |
| 09:09:50 | petur | :( |
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| 09:21:23 | linuxstb | Does anyone have a view on this commit? IMO, a #warning was good enough, and I'm thinking about reverting it - to make it easier for people working on new ports. http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=17511 |
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| 09:41:01 | amiconn | linuxstb: I agree that the warning was better. The dummy values were weird though |
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| 09:45:27 | linuxstb | amiconn: Any suggestions for better dummy values? |
| 09:45:46 | amiconn | The maximum should be 0 imho |
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| 09:54:01 | linuxstb | amiconn: Hmm, those defaults seem to come from firmware/export/mas35xx.h... |
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| 10:08:10 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: (for the logs...) Regarding your new wiki page (IngenicJz47xx), why did you put all the files on rapidshare instead of simply attaching to the wiki? |
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| 10:13:35 | JdGordon | n1s: what have you volanteered me for? |
| 10:14:01 | n1s | JdGordon: haha, nothing the suggestion was shot down |
| 10:14:25 | JdGordon | :) ok, cool |
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| 10:18:39 | JdGordon | linuxstb: hey, did you have a look at my conditional viewports patch? |
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| 10:22:39 | crash91 | JdGordon: What FS# is that? I might make the theme that im making use them. |
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| 10:22:53 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: because some of them are 10MB + I've used rapidshare remote-download function because that Chinese FTP is slow... |
| 10:22:56 | JdGordon | 9027 iirc |
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| 10:23:11 | mcuelenaere | but I'll attach some to the wiki |
| 10:24:01 | mcuelenaere | BTW, the most important one is ucosii_bsp_jz-20070808.zip and that's a small file |
| 10:26:48 | crash91 | JdGordon: Hmmm, I'll try it out, but (for me) i think it would be easier if the tag was %Va instead of %V|...|a |
| 10:27:09 | JdGordon | tough :D |
| 10:27:27 | JdGordon | doing it that way would make all viewported wps' outdated which would suck |
| 10:28:11 | crash91 | JdGordon: No, why would it? %V displays as normal, but the %Va only displays when %Vea is specified. |
| 10:28:38 | crash91 | It would only affect viewported WPS' which used your patch. |
| 10:28:55 | JdGordon | also makes the code messy |
| 10:29:42 | crash91 | :P oh well, forget it then |
| 10:29:54 | Llorean | I think giving viewports a letter label makes sense, as he's done it now |
| 10:30:01 | Llorean | The explanation of how to do it could perhaps be slightly clearer |
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| 10:32:40 | JdGordon | well... we need to see if its actually usuable before worrying about the explanation text... |
| 10:33:08 | JdGordon | it has hit a bit of a wall with its problems./. waiting for some wps ninjas to try it out and see if its workable |
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| 10:36:03 | Llorean | If the "hidden" viewport shows up on top of the "visible" one instead of the other way around, it's kinda pointless. ;) |
| 10:37:34 | JdGordon | yeah, but hopefully it just needs some careful tag placement to fix it... |
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| 10:37:59 | JdGordon | the wps which was posted isnt exactly a good example use |
| 10:40:41 | Llorean | Yeah |
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| 10:40:55 | Llorean | But the whole idea is to be able to stack multiple viewports and have one shown on hold, and the other shown off hold. |
| 10:40:59 | Llorean | So they need to be stackable |
| 10:41:56 | pixelma | well, it's a test wps but you'll probably have "overlapping" viewports when wanting to show e.g. album art and the track info alongside it, if present, and if not use the whole width of the screen etc. |
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| 10:42:45 | yeahx | rockbox with album art, how cute |
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| 10:46:13 | JdGordon | the latest patch doesnt clear a viewport if it wasnt preivously shown which should have fixed that issue :( something is still wrong though |
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| 11:02:49 | linuxstb_ | mcuelenaere: If you create a single zip file with all files, how big is it? |
| 11:02:53 | linuxstb_ | bah... |
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| 11:03:24 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I haven't looked closely at your patch, but I am about to now... |
| 11:06:34 | JdGordon | linuxstb: cool, am I right in thinking tht images are unconditionally redrawn every time through that loop if they are meant to be displayed? |
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| 11:13:23 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: If you create a single zip file with all files, how big is it? My main complaint is that rapidshare sucks... |
| 11:13:24 | Judy28 | I am new to Rockbox (using R17612-080523 on an Iriver h340). I do not use playlists. My problem: The player does not play all files in a directory but skips some in the middle. Is this a known bug or am I doing something wrong? |
| 11:13:27 | jaczehack | 560 |
| 11:13:47 | jaczehack | oops, wrong window |
| 11:14:14 | linuxstb | Judy28: Does Rockbox always skip the same files? |
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| 11:14:43 | linuxstb | JdGordon: That sounds probable, but I'm not looking at the code itself yet. |
| 11:14:47 | amiconn | linuxstb: Imo rapidshare doesn't deserve its name... |
| 11:14:59 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: I haven't downloaded all the files yet myself, I'm even still downloading some from the FTP (through rapidshare) |
| 11:15:20 | Judy28 | linuxstb: No. When I play the directory a second time after going through the tracks manualy it gets it right. |
| 11:15:44 | pixelma | Judy28: how many files are in that directory? |
| 11:16:32 | Judy28 | pixelma: Eight files. |
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| 11:18:05 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: I'll attach some files |
| 11:19:55 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: You may want to ask Bagder about filespace/bandwidth on the wiki server, but IMO the nicest solution is simply to attach them all there. Also, I would expect most people would want to download everything, so putting them in a single zip (or maybe 2 or 3 zips) would be more convenient. But anything other than 30 rapidshare links please ;) |
| 11:22:41 | mcuelenaere | I just choose rapidshare as I wanted to download the files overnight (as I said, that FTP is slow); but I'll mirror them to wiki too :) |
| 11:24:17 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: So you mean that rapidshare itself is downloading them via ftp for you? |
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| 11:25:12 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: yes |
| 11:25:15 | crash91 | How do I link to another section in twiki (on the same page)? |
| 11:25:17 | mcuelenaere | that's why I choose RS |
| 11:25:41 | mcuelenaere | I don't want to wait that long and there's a possibility my connection could break if I downloaded them myself |
| 11:25:53 | linuxstb | crash91: Just type the name of the page, and the wiki will automagically make that word a link. Or you can do something like [[name of my page][MyPage]] |
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| 11:26:27 | crash91 | linuxstb: Not another page, another section on the same page i mean. |
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| 11:26:39 | pixelma | crash91: if you're editing the CustomWPS page there is an example of it in the images section - linking to the viewports one |
| 11:26:54 | crash91 | pixelma: Ok, thanks. |
| 11:27:03 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: are you interested in the target/board ? |
| 11:29:03 | * | JdGordon thinks its a good time to commit the rec trigger patch... give people the wekeend to bug me about bugs :) |
| 11:29:06 | JdGordon | objections? |
| 11:29:23 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Not at the moment... I've just set a "wget -r" starting on that ftp server (from a PC with a stable internet connection) - I'll let you know if/when if finishes. |
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| 11:30:03 | linuxstb | JdGordon: If it has bugs, then yes ;) |
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| 11:30:16 | JdGordon | linuxstb: well.. noone knows :) |
| 11:30:38 | linuxstb | JdGordon: But you seem to be expecting bugs... |
| 11:31:22 | JdGordon | because all code has bugs |
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| 11:32:45 | bluebrother | JdGordon: does it speak again? |
| 11:32:52 | JdGordon | yar |
| 11:33:37 | bluebrother | nice. Do you have screenshot around or do I need to test myself? |
| 11:33:56 | pixelma | JdGordon: does it compile for the OndioFM now? |
| 11:34:35 | JdGordon | yes |
| 11:35:20 | pixelma | Judy28: are those files mp3 or in another format with equal filesize and at what bitrate? I'm asking because it reminds me of the "skip tracks while rebuffering" bug and with my files, rebuffer would happen each 4-5 tracks usually which would be in the middle of an 8 track directory... |
| 11:37:26 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb, Bagder: I've got a 10MB rar file (almost only sources+pdf); I suppose that's a bit too big to attach to the wiki? |
| 11:37:28 | JdGordon | pixelma: what was the needed fix for keymap-c200.c ? |
| 11:38:15 | pixelma | remove the : in the Id line I was told (it's in your diff so I guess it would be fixed when you commit that) |
| 11:38:29 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: I would say that's fine - 10MB isn't that big in the scheme of things. But rar is a nasty choice of format - zip or .tgz is more accessible. |
| 11:38:40 | mcuelenaere | ok |
| 11:38:50 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Is that part of this ftp directory I'm currently downloading? |
| 11:39:47 | Judy28 | pixelma: The files are mp3 encoded at 128k |
| 11:40:29 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: yes, a part (some of those RS links) |
| 11:40:44 | mcuelenaere | mostly pdf's + patches to linux kernel, ucos, .. |
| 11:41:02 | mcuelenaere | any twiki admin: please delete http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/attach/Main/IngenicJz47xx?filename=ucosii_bsp_jz-20070808.zip |
| 11:41:06 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Depending on how big it turns out to be, I would be tempted to just upload a single zip of the entire ftp server... |
| 11:41:25 | linuxstb | (which will also keep the original directory structure) |
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| 11:42:32 | bertrik | I have a question about consistency in behaviour in the WPS context menu |
| 11:43:35 | bertrik | If I go to the playlist option in the WPS context menu and then go back, I immediately end up back in the WPS. If I go to the playlist catalog option inthe WPS context menu and then go back, I end up back in the WPS context menu (not in the WPS itself) |
| 11:44:10 | bertrik | Is that intentional? or is it a bug? or maybe I'm just nitpicking? |
| 11:44:51 | amiconn | It's an incosistency bug |
| 11:45:14 | amiconn | All submenus of all context menus are meant to quit the whole context menu on exit |
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| 11:45:35 | amiconn | So the playlist option in the wps context menu behaves correctly |
| 11:45:49 | amiconn | ...and the playlist catalog option does not |
| 11:46:15 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: Uploaded file Downloads.zip exceeds limit of 10000 KB; and the FTP server contains some binaries which are over 30MB each |
| 11:46:27 | bertrik | OK thanks for making clear what the intended behaviour is |
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| 11:47:46 | bertrik | Other submenus in the WPS context menu behave the same, I may have a look at it this weekend |
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| 11:49:29 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Maybe Bagder could host them on the download server then. My suggestion would be to wait until one of us has got local copies of everything, and then work out how to conveniently mirror them. |
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| 12:40:23 | gevaerts | linuxstb: I am now (intermittently) |
| 12:41:12 | linuxstb | gevaerts: I was just going to ask if you had done anything with the VOLUME_MIN/VOLUME_MAX problem for the DAX... I ended up reverting the commit that broke the DAX bootloader build. |
| 12:41:32 | gevaerts | Not yet |
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| 12:49:02 | preglow | a pox unto sd cards! |
| 12:49:56 | preglow | will the control logic in one of them work at a lower voltage than it's capable of transfering data at? |
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| 12:51:47 | bertrik | preglow: I don't know, it's 3.3V as far as I know. I think there's a command to ask the card for the voltage range it supports. |
| 12:52:12 | preglow | bertrik: yeah, i've got that, my problem is that i don't know what voltage i'm giving the card, nor how to control it |
| 12:52:28 | amiconn | A multimeter should tell... |
| 12:52:40 | preglow | amiconn: indeed, but sd card slots are narrow things |
| 12:53:05 | amiconn | Make a small pcb in the shape of an sd card, extending the power pads to the outside... |
| 12:53:15 | amiconn | This way you don't even have to open the thing |
| 12:53:31 | preglow | yeah, it's the make a pcb part that i'm not able to do, heh |
| 12:54:03 | preglow | i should rather just find a way to open it up without breaking it |
| 12:54:42 | preglow | hmm, i could just open the sd card and solder on some small leads to the power and ground pin |
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| 12:54:59 | bertrik | maybe you can use one of those mini-SD adapters |
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| 12:56:48 | preglow | the pcf sets up plenty of 3 volt outputs |
| 12:56:54 | preglow | ah, and even one 3.3 |
| 12:57:18 | preglow | the fact that i can talk to the card really sugggests it's my code doing something wrong |
| 12:57:22 | preglow | i just can't think of what |
| 12:57:25 | preglow | it's all very basic |
| 12:58:21 | bertrik | I know a little about interfacing sd cards from hobby microcontroller interfacing projects, maybe I can help (not so much with the hardware side though) |
| 12:58:43 | preglow | disabling the 3.3 voltage source still has me being able to talk to the sd card, though |
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| 13:00:06 | preglow | well, current problem really just is that i loop app command 41 (with additional waiting between loops) to query if card is powered, and it never says it is |
| 13:01:02 | * | preglow wonders if perhaps all the pcf code (except rtc) should be moved to the target tree |
| 13:02:32 | amiconn | No it shouldn't |
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| 13:03:18 | amiconn | But regarding your original question - I'm pretty sure the sd card interface logic is able to handle the whole defined voltage range |
| 13:03:42 | amiconn | How else would it be able to tell the allowed voltages as a command response? |
| 13:03:44 | bertrik | preglow: you did already pass GO_IDLE_STATE at that point? |
| 13:04:03 | bluebrother | preglow: you're trying to initialize the card? Over SPI or SDIO? |
| 13:04:20 | amiconn | Especially since that range is rather large (I think it's similar, if not identical, to MMC) |
| 13:04:23 | preglow | bertrik: indeed |
| 13:04:43 | preglow | bluebrother: default init mode, it's all cmd pin action at this point |
| 13:04:49 | preglow | amiconn: it's identical, i think |
| 13:04:56 | amiconn | You need to reduce the clock for init |
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| 13:05:03 | bluebrother | preglow: maybe you're too fast? I had this once |
| 13:05:05 | bertrik | and you also issued GO_IDLE_STATE (cmd 8) already? |
| 13:05:05 | amiconn | 400kHz is the allowed max iirc |
| 13:05:07 | preglow | amiconn: it's set at 100khz, afaik |
| 13:05:17 | preglow | anyway, responses are coherent, so it's not a clock issue |
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| 13:05:30 | mcuelenaere | is the Rockbox kernel completely C code? (I mean without ARM, SH or CF code) |
| 13:05:32 | amiconn | After init you can increase it to the allowed maximum (that the card tells) |
| 13:05:34 | preglow | bertrik: yes, but that's only sd version 2 mandatory anyway |
| 13:05:46 | preglow | mcuelenaere: no, there is some asm |
| 13:06:04 | mcuelenaere | preglow: you mean crt0.S or besides that more? |
| 13:06:19 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: Take a look at thread.c ... |
| 13:06:26 | preglow | mcuelenaere: there's some small snippets here and there, like for context switch and mutex support, etc |
| 13:07:15 | mcuelenaere | but nothing really big? |
| 13:07:15 | * | Buschel prepares to leave for vacation :o) |
| 13:07:24 | preglow | lucky you |
| 13:07:31 | * | bertrik meant to say CMD_SEND_IF_COND, cmd 8 |
| 13:07:32 | preglow | argh! somehow tons of my sd code has vanished! |
| 13:07:49 | Buschel | preglow: depends, together with mother and father in law ;o) |
| 13:07:57 | preglow | Buschel: heh, can still be a good time |
| 13:08:23 | Buschel | preglow: it will, they already ordered several litres of beer :) |
| 13:08:41 | preglow | \o/ |
| 13:08:52 | * | preglow puts his mind back on coding |
| 13:09:11 | Buschel | ok, so have a nice time the next week! see you |
| 13:09:18 | preglow | have fun, see you |
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| 13:10:35 | preglow | now where the bloody hell did this code go |
| 13:10:42 | * | preglow decides to stop trusting vmware |
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| 13:12:46 | xqtftqx | Guys when i compile it doesnt compile the plugins correcly? |
| 13:12:50 | xqtftqx | how can i fix this? |
| 13:13:14 | xqtftqx | They dont load, once its compiled, i havent made any changes to the build and its up to date |
| 13:13:31 | bluebrother | xqtftqx: well, if you know what's broken you can simply fix that. |
| 13:13:59 | xqtftqx | like, i get "Unable to load..." or "Incompatible Version" |
| 13:14:06 | xqtftqx | i dont know whats broken |
| 13:14:07 | bluebrother | but unless you give a useful error description noone else will be able to help you ... "doesn't work" is one of the badest error descriptions I know of |
| 13:14:18 | xqtftqx | Theres no error |
| 13:14:27 | bluebrother | so ... you built Rockbox yourself. You installed the build correctly. Right? |
| 13:14:28 | xqtftqx | they just dont load once its compiled and i do make zip |
| 13:14:36 | preglow | amiconn: regarding pcf, it seems the pcf code in drivers/ is target dependent anyway, the i2c api changes from target to target |
| 13:14:44 | xqtftqx | yes, it loads, i can change settings, browse files |
| 13:14:48 | bluebrother | what did you do after "make zip"? |
| 13:15:01 | xqtftqx | extracted the zip to my player |
| 13:15:25 | bluebrother | what player? Do you have an old rockbox.* file in the root of your player? |
| 13:15:39 | xqtftqx | no, and its on the gigabeat s |
| 13:16:17 | BigBambi | xqtftqx: so you do make, then make zip, then what command do you do to extract the zip? |
| 13:16:38 | bluebrother | ah. Do the plugins work for the S? The beast isn't offered as download yet, so it's not expected to simply work |
| 13:16:39 | xqtftqx | i dont use a command, i copy it to windows and use 7zip, i work in a vm |
| 13:16:51 | xqtftqx | they do but not when i build it |
| 13:16:52 | BigBambi | I suspect you are not extracting it properly |
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| 13:16:58 | xqtftqx | realy? |
| 13:17:18 | BigBambi | You get incompatible version if you have a rockbox.gigabeat and plugins from different builds |
| 13:17:34 | xqtftqx | Hmmm |
| 13:17:43 | * | bluebrother suspects the same as BigBambi |
| 13:18:04 | xqtftqx | let me transfer this build over to see what it says |
| 13:19:04 | xqtftqx | Now its working i dont know why though |
| 13:20:26 | xqtftqx | Is it possible to remove a patch without redownloading from the svn? |
| 13:21:08 | Bagder | xqtftqx: yes, svn revert or patch -R |
| 13:21:19 | xqtftqx | Alright thanks! |
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| 13:31:56 | linuxstb | Bagder: Does the server hosting the wiki have lots of disk space/bandwidth? i.e. would you want to discourage attaching of lots of large files? |
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| 13:32:44 | Bagder | 33GB available, 10mbit connection, we can handle big files pretty good |
| 13:33:04 | bluebrother | hmm, is misticriver.net down / gone? |
| 13:33:13 | Bagder | unless they turn wildly popular, then we move them to the download server(s) |
| 13:33:37 | linuxstb | Bagder: I'm just thinking of some datasheets and GPL'd SDK code. So unlikely to be the #1 download... |
| 13:34:24 | Bagder | I say go for it, and if it turns out to be troublesome later on we can address it then |
| 13:34:27 | linuxstb | Bagder: The attachment limit seems to be 10MB though - do you think that could/should be increased? |
| 13:35:01 | linuxstb | These are files mcuelenaere is collecting - he's said some are 30MB... |
| 13:35:15 | Bagder | I think it serves a purpose to prevent the average joe to start uploading such huge chunks without considering first |
| 13:35:31 | Bagder | so I'd prefer to get larger files through the back door |
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| 13:38:15 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb, Bagder: about those 30MB files: those aren't really interesting as those are compiled binaries (no source), except for the Windows CE SDK files |
| 13:39:30 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: My download has managed about 31MB in the last 2 hours... But it's still going. |
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| 13:50:13 | PaulJam | JdGordon: Hi, i have 2 questions about the changes you made in r17352. (1) I noticed that "create playlist" now appends the songs to the playlist instead of overwriting the old playlist, so the root.m3u8 has many duplicates when you don't remove it manually before running "create playlist". Was this change in functionalyty intended? (2) Is it expected that creating the playlist now takes much longer than before (i haven't done measurements, but it seems |
| 13:50:13 | PaulJam | to take significantly longer) ? |
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| 14:01:32 | linuxstb | PaulJam: Did you see my comment about JdGordon's conditional viewports patch? |
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| 14:04:47 | PaulJam | the one on the tracker? |
| 14:07:54 | linuxstb | PaulJam: Yes |
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| 14:09:30 | preglow | anyone with a d2 and sd card around? |
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| 14:16:02 | PaulJam | linuxstb: the ideas sound good. but i must say that i don't really need conditional viewports for my WPS, so someone who designs a WPS that depends on conditional viewports should comment. |
| 14:16:58 | linuxstb | PaulJam: OK, I was just wondering if you had a use for viewports in mind that that suggestion doesn't allow. |
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| 14:40:44 | * | amiconn was inspired by the elv journal what usb host support in rockbox could be used for |
| 14:42:21 | amiconn | I don't know what usb class would be necessary for this, but if we could support usb wlan stick, it would be possible to use rockbox as a web radio |
| 14:42:43 | amiconn | ...even including "recording" |
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| 14:54:59 | bluebrother | rockbox web edition? |
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| 15:07:13 | preglow | amiconn: wow, that sounds cool |
| 15:07:36 | * | preglow wonders if any of his targets could do this |
| 15:07:38 | preglow | probably the d2 |
| 15:08:03 | amiconn | One thing I don't know is whether the wlan stick does the wep/wpa decoding, or the host cpu needs to do it |
| 15:08:54 | amiconn | If the stick does it, all targets capable of usb host should be able handle web radio |
| 15:09:15 | preglow | i think the stick does it |
| 15:09:16 | amiconn | (once usb host is supported and the required class driver is written of course) |
| 15:09:17 | preglow | usually |
| 15:10:43 | amiconn | It's "just" that the received stream fills the main buffer instead of the usual buffering task, plus a bit different buffer level and metadata handling |
| 15:11:02 | amiconn | The radio streams I know of are either mp3, wma, or realaudio |
| 15:11:06 | preglow | are mini-usb->usb converters hard to get? |
| 15:11:12 | amiconn | The first 2 are already supported |
| 15:11:23 | preglow | amiconn: ogg and he-aac are also widely streamed |
| 15:11:42 | amiconn | The mini-A to standard-A adapter cable ships standard with the H300 and X5 at least |
| 15:12:19 | n1s | A zune would be great for that with its built in wifi... |
| 15:12:53 | linuxstb | Or Nintendo DS. But I would assume there's already a web-radio client for it... |
| 15:14:10 | amiconn | preglow: I didn't come across ogg or aac streams so far, but at least ogg is supported too. I have no idea regarding the dozens of aac variants though |
| 15:14:16 | * | linuxstb wishes we had an SoC student interested in RM... |
| 15:15:26 | preglow | amiconn: i guess it depends where you look, aacplusv1 and aacplusv2 are more popular than vorbis, though |
| 15:18:56 | preglow | amiconn: perhaps we could reuse the same buffering layer we'll use for dab |
| 15:19:51 | amiconn | yes, probably |
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| 15:20:29 | linuxstb | preglow: Have you noticed if the D2's OF is gapless or not? |
| 15:20:42 | preglow | definitely not |
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| 15:20:52 | preglow | cowon are famous for never getting that right |
| 15:20:53 | preglow | or even trying |
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| 15:21:22 | preglow | still no d2 people here? :/ |
| 15:23:41 | linuxstb | Have there ever been any D2 people here? (apart from you, shotofadds and Llorean)? |
| 15:24:14 | preglow | well, then i guess Llorean is who i'm looking for :> |
| 15:24:17 | preglow | oh, and bagder has one |
| 15:24:22 | preglow | not sure if he's rockboxed it yet, though |
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| 15:40:00 | JdGordon | PaulJam: 1) oops, 2) not intended... is it much slower? |
| 15:42:11 | JdGordon | linuxstb: the problem with adding the viewport label to the begiining means it invalidates the current vp enabled wps' |
| 15:42:28 | JdGordon | unless there is a way to count the number of params a tag has before parsing it? |
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| 15:42:40 | JdGordon | I like the idea of allowing vp's to be grouped though |
| 15:43:02 | linuxstb | JdGordon: That's one reason why suggest the new %Vl tag |
| 15:43:34 | JdGordon | is that a i or l? %Vc maybe? |
| 15:44:06 | JdGordon | but like I said to whoever earlier... it makes more fluff code to handle it |
| 15:44:22 | JdGordon | well... maybe a bit more |
| 15:44:24 | preglow | wtf |
| 15:44:34 | preglow | my ipod and the d2 both seem to decode jpegs at the same speed... |
| 15:44:38 | linuxstb | JdGordon: "ell" - to mirror the "xl" tag... |
| 15:45:24 | JdGordon | that was a bit rhetorical.... I dont like the use of l/i/I in tags |
| 15:46:03 | linuxstb | JdGordon: For now, I don't care about the implementation - I just want the semantics to be defined cleanly. But I don't think it makes much difference to the parsing code - you just strip out the first parameter, and call the existing parsing code for the rest. In the same way as if it was at the end. |
| 15:46:18 | JdGordon | yeah, i guess so |
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| 15:46:35 | JdGordon | I'm not sure your 3) will work |
| 15:47:11 | JdGordon | but if it does get around the issue, I'm all for it |
| 15:47:49 | linuxstb | What's the problem with 3) ? |
| 15:49:09 | JdGordon | there still could be an issue with redraw ordering... I'm not sure.. it really needs someone to experiment properly |
| 15:49:24 | JdGordon | but that could also be a bug in the patch |
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| 15:49:40 | linuxstb | If viewports don't overlap, then the redraw order shouldn't matter. |
| 15:51:11 | linuxstb | The main issue I can think of is when a viewport transistions from "visible" to "hidden". You'll need to at least stop any scrolling lines. |
| 15:51:12 | JdGordon | defeats the purpose of them though... the #1 reason is to use the whole screen if no AA is there, or just part if it is... isnt it? |
| 15:52:02 | JdGordon | what may have to happen is give the tag an ability to tell another vp to redraw... not sure how that would work in the current code though |
| 15:53:14 | * | JdGordon gonna test this out... |
| 15:54:04 | * | JdGordon hates writing wps' code :'( |
| 15:55:11 | JdGordon | e200 is 176x220 yeah? |
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| 15:55:14 | preglow | and yet you do it :P |
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| 15:56:04 | JdGordon | well.. noone suggested I was sane :p |
| 15:57:35 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I don't understand your "defeats the purpose" statement. You simple define one set of viewports for the AA case, and another for the no-AA case. |
| 15:57:44 | linuxstb | s/simple/simply/ |
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| 16:04:47 | PaulJam | JdGordon: with r17352 creating a root playlist with 3000 songs takes about twice as long as with one revision earlier on h300, but it is not such a big issue since you don't do that so very often. |
| 16:05:17 | JdGordon | linuxstb: OK, I now understand your comment properly.... so we now dont call clear_viewport() which works, but yes, scrolling lines need to be stopped |
| 16:05:42 | JdGordon | PaulJam: ok, thats wierd... I wonder why its so much slower? |
| 16:06:47 | PaulJam | JdGordon: could it be that the new code updates the splash much more often? |
| 16:07:05 | JdGordon | that shouldnt effect it... |
| 16:07:20 | JdGordon | unless its pausing for the splash.. whoich it shouldnt |
| 16:07:57 | daurnimator | hey JdGordon |
| 16:08:16 | daurnimator | where the F is everyone |
| 16:08:17 | JdGordon | hey |
| 16:08:26 | JdGordon | who is evertone? |
| 16:08:28 | daurnimator | (in generalk) |
| 16:08:43 | daurnimator | I've called some friends earlier, and they all said they're having quiet nights in |
| 16:08:45 | JdGordon | out with social lives :p |
| 16:08:52 | daurnimator | but, theres no one on facebook, and no one on msn |
| 16:08:58 | JdGordon | oh noes! |
| 16:09:02 | daurnimator | irc and gaming servers are generally quiet for now |
| 16:09:08 | * | JdGordon kicks daurnimator into -comm |
| 16:09:17 | daurnimator | arg lol |
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| 16:19:57 | JdGordon | is using 2 chars in a struct (not an array) more wasteful than using a int and a mask to split it up? |
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| 16:31:44 | JdGordon | Oh how I love when the entire patch suddenly stops working :p |
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| 16:33:43 | Luis | Hello guys. I am taking a look at the rockbox kernel and I cannot find the I/O scheduler. Where is it located? |
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| 16:34:05 | preglow | i don't think we have an io scheduler as such |
| 16:34:12 | Luis | ok |
| 16:34:18 | preglow | what exactly are you trying to find? |
| 16:34:34 | Luis | In that case, where is the queue of requests waiting to be attended by the disk? |
| 16:34:55 | preglow | ata.c usually deals with everything in that area |
| 16:35:02 | preglow | depending on target |
| 16:35:05 | Luis | ok |
| 16:35:29 | preglow | Llorean: pingle? |
| 16:35:46 | Luis | Thanks. |
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| 16:37:12 | JdGordon | I thought the shadow variable name warning was enabled in the builds? |
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| 17:37:36 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: done both your suggestions in the latest patch |
| 17:37:59 | JdGordon | PaulJam: can you create a bug report? im going to forget to get to it tomorow otherwsie.... |
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| 17:38:58 | PaulJam | JdGordon: ok, i'll do that. btw, the last version of the conditional viewports patch seems to work fine. |
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| 17:47:42 | Almar | hey |
| 17:47:55 | Almar | can anyone tell me if Rockbox works on 6th gen iPods? |
| 17:48:00 | Almar | I really need ogg support! |
| 17:50:26 | Almar | oh, just found it on the wiki. |
| 17:50:27 | Almar | no support |
| 17:50:29 | Almar | Thanks anyway. |
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| 18:01:23 | PaulJam | When the conditional viweports are in SVN, will the %m tag be removed or do you keep it for backwards compatibility? |
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| 18:18:59 | linuxstb_ | PaulJam: I would like to get rid of it, but there's no rush. The core functionality (left margins in the lcd driver/scrolling code) is still needed by other parts of Rockbox (I think...) |
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| 18:21:21 | * | linuxstb_ greps, and sees it only seems to be used in the recording screen... |
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| 18:25:34 | bms1000 | Do you prefer the Rockbox over the newest iPod generation? |
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| 18:26:48 | BigBambi | er, yes... |
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| 18:28:12 | linuxstb_ | bms1000: What answer do you expect here? ;) |
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| 18:28:18 | bms1000 | Well, true. |
| 18:28:31 | bms1000 | I'm just curious... I'm trying to decide to get it or not. |
| 18:28:42 | linuxstb | Probably very few people here have used the latest ipods, as Rockbox doesn't work on them. |
| 18:28:54 | BigBambi | You have read the front page of the site that says Rockbox doesn't work on the new iPods? |
| 18:28:56 | bms1000 | Well, phooey. |
| 18:29:12 | bms1000 | Errm, I must've completely missed the front page. 0_o |
| 18:29:54 | bms1000 | I have an 80 gig because my mum bought it for me for Christmas. |
| 18:30:09 | bms1000 | And... I'm gonna probably use like 10 gigs at the most for music files and videos. |
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| 18:37:33 | saratoga | I finally found some RMAA results for the AMS SOC, and its quite impressive |
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| 18:39:14 | saratoga | compares favorably to the both the D2 and H300 |
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| 18:49:09 | bluebrother | saratoga (for the logs): impressive in what way? Is there a link around for these results? |
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| 19:41:17 | Llorean | preglow: you pinged? |
| 19:43:31 | preglow | oy |
| 19:43:34 | preglow | you have a d2 around? |
| 19:44:09 | Llorean | I have one, yeah. |
| 19:44:21 | preglow | sd card? |
| 19:45:17 | Llorean | I've got a few around |
| 19:45:33 | preglow | could you just try a build with a couple? |
| 19:45:48 | preglow | if one of them is sdhc, that would be ace |
| 19:45:49 | Llorean | Sure |
| 19:45:56 | Llorean | I don't think I have an SDHC. |
| 19:46:05 | preglow | prefer .bin or .iaudio? |
| 19:46:08 | preglow | no stress |
| 19:46:30 | Llorean | Uhm. |
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| 19:46:44 | Llorean | I don't remember which I have on it. |
| 19:46:51 | preglow | do you use tcctool? |
| 19:46:58 | preglow | only reason to use the .bin |
| 19:47:38 | Llorean | .audio |
| 19:47:43 | Llorean | Sorry, had to go grab it in the other room |
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| 19:48:12 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/rockbox.iaudio |
| 19:48:16 | preglow | debug->hw info |
| 19:48:24 | preglow | you need to enter it again when you use another card |
| 19:48:28 | preglow | the bottom lines are of interest |
| 19:50:45 | preglow | i guess init will fail with your d2 as well, but i'd still just like to make sure before i start growing desperate |
| 19:51:22 | Llorean | have there been major changes to the D2 bootloader? |
| 19:51:30 | Llorean | Just got checksum failed, and just wondering if I should redownload |
| 19:51:41 | preglow | i compile mine myself |
| 19:51:48 | preglow | so wouldn't know, but there has been changes to the nand driver |
| 19:52:02 | preglow | just copy it over again, that usually works |
| 19:52:30 | Llorean | Hrm |
| 19:52:34 | Llorean | "Read failed (image)" |
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| 19:53:41 | preglow | i'd upgrade the bootloader, yes |
| 19:53:59 | Llorean | Alright, brb, gotta use a different computer |
| 19:57:50 | Llorean | ALright |
| 19:57:53 | Llorean | Rockbox boots now |
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| 19:59:03 | Llorean | How do I leave the hw info screen on D2? |
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| 19:59:28 | preglow | reset, i think :> |
| 19:59:36 | preglow | just keep power pressed until it shuts down |
| 19:59:40 | Llorean | Or |
| 19:59:43 | Llorean | Just tap power, apparently |
| 19:59:45 | preglow | did the lower line say anything of value? |
| 19:59:49 | Llorean | ""SD init fail, version 2"" |
| 19:59:57 | preglow | what capacity is that card? |
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| 20:00:00 | Llorean | 2gb |
| 20:00:08 | preglow | so the version 2 detection works |
| 20:00:16 | Llorean | My 512mb one failes version 1.x |
| 20:00:25 | Llorean | Oh, I found an SDHC card |
| 20:00:27 | Llorean | In my phone |
| 20:00:36 | preglow | that should report version 2 as well |
| 20:00:37 | * | Llorean forgot all about it |
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| 20:01:08 | Llorean | It does indeed |
| 20:01:13 | preglow | well, shit |
| 20:01:18 | preglow | back to the drawing board, then |
| 20:01:40 | Llorean | Well at least it verifies it's not just faulty hardware |
| 20:01:49 | preglow | indeed |
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| 20:02:05 | preglow | i need to find a way to measure the power here |
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| 20:13:26 | leap | hi |
| 20:13:35 | leap | the music in rockbox does not play |
| 20:13:36 | leap | also |
| 20:13:41 | leap | i added new music and it is not there |
| 20:13:49 | leap | how do i rebuild my music database? |
| 20:14:10 | linuxstb | leap: Please try to write longer lines - short lines annoy people... |
| 20:14:19 | BigBambi | leap: 1) What version of rockbox, 2) What player |
| 20:14:47 | leap | ipod |
| 20:14:51 | leap | and the latest version of rockbox |
| 20:15:08 | BigBambi | leap: What ipod |
| 20:15:22 | leap | ipod 5g |
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| 20:15:24 | BigBambi | leap: And the lastest version changes several times per day, so what version number please |
| 20:15:47 | leap | what directory in the .rockbox is that in? |
| 20:15:59 | BigBambi | it is in system -> rockbox info |
| 20:16:06 | BigBambi | from the main menu |
| 20:16:48 | leap | my ipod is busy right now, is there a way i cna find the version without using the ipod rockbox software.... somehow in windows explorer? |
| 20:17:23 | leap | Manufacturer: ipod |
| 20:17:23 | leap | Version: r17393-080505 |
| 20:17:46 | BigBambi | leap: that is over 200 versions old |
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| 20:17:51 | leap | okay |
| 20:17:55 | BigBambi | leap: please update and try again |
| 20:18:27 | leap | it will update my songs automatically |
| 20:18:30 | leap | the database of my songs |
| 20:18:41 | leap | ? |
| 20:18:48 | BigBambi | if you have the appropriate settings (such as auto update) turned on |
| 20:19:11 | BigBambi | You can set it to rebuild by selecting initialise now in addition |
| 20:19:18 | fml | n1s: ping |
| 20:19:27 | n1s | fml: pong |
| 20:20:27 | fml | n1s: I'd like to talk about the problem fixed with r17494. I think the whole onplay logic should be changed to the approach used there. |
| 20:20:40 | fml | Ah, it was pondlife who made this! |
| 20:21:38 | fml | The point is that the file operated upon should be IMHO fixed when the menu is called up. I.e. the name should be copied to a local buffer. |
| 20:21:41 | linuxstb | leap: Have you read the section about the database in the manual? |
| 20:21:42 | n1s | yes, that might be a good idea but as you say i din't do it ;) |
| 20:22:03 | fml | As of now, the name can change 'under the hod' |
| 20:22:07 | fml | *hood |
| 20:24:54 | fml | I hope pondlife will read this. |
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| 20:54:42 | Robo210 | since i mostly never use it and want to save battery life, i'm looking to have the lcd on my ipod (4g) completely turn off whenever i'm not using the menus, much like the backlight can |
| 20:55:01 | Robo210 | however, as far as i can tell there is no function to turn off the lcd? |
| 20:57:00 | bluebrother | updating the lcd takes almost no power. Just make it turn the backlight off immediately, as that consumes a lot |
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| 20:57:34 | Robo210 | alright, i already have it doing that |
| 20:58:01 | Robo210 | my battery only lasts 5 hours or so now, so i've been trying to find things to make it last longer |
| 20:58:15 | bluebrother | replacing ;-) |
| 20:59:56 | Robo210 | right, i'll buy an ipod classic sometime, but then i lose out on rockbox |
| 20:59:59 | n1s | Robo210: lots of people think of that idea and come asking about it but the lcd consumes so little it will not be measurable in a runtime test... |
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| 21:00:32 | Robo210 | ok, thanks n1s |
| 21:00:48 | n1s | Robo210: you can replace the battery, no need to replace the whole thing ;) |
| 21:01:15 | Robo210 | well, i want the 160gb harddrive too ;-) |
| 21:02:04 | Robo210 | is the only thing holding back a ipod classic port a lack of developers to do it? |
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| 21:02:35 | n1s | Robo210: mainly no ones working on it, the firmware is encrypted and the hardware is undocumented :) |
| 21:02:40 | bluebrother | no. The classic is completely different hardware, plus it's completely encrypted |
| 21:02:47 | * | bluebrother too slow |
| 21:04:15 | Robo210 | encrypted eh? thats a real shame yet not surprising |
| 21:05:03 | bluebrother | well, the firmware is encrypted since a while already. But now the bootloader also is. |
| 21:05:18 | Robo210 | i don't have the tools / skills to work with mystery hardware either |
| 21:06:44 | n1s | well, the encryption isn't the real problem. The problem is that we don't know how to decrypt it or load our own code... (even the old achos targets had encrypted firmware) |
| 21:09:32 | bluebrother | hmm ... does someone know how to distinguish the sansa m200 v1 from v2? |
| 21:10:14 | Bagder | bluebrother: I think there's a OF version number diff on that one as well |
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| 21:11:15 | xqtftqx | Guys im making a theme and i want the status bar color to be a diffrent color from the main text? do i have to due a custom build? |
| 21:12:05 | Robo210 | another thing i noticed is that the battery voltages for the 4g ipod seem to be "guesses", is there anything I could do to help calibrate these? |
| 21:12:49 | Robo210 | i assume just find a volt meter and measure the battery at different stages of being drained? |
| 21:12:51 | n1s | xqtftqx: if you mean the foreground color in the statusbar, yes |
| 21:13:12 | xqtftqx | i want the text color to be diffrent |
| 21:13:26 | n1s | xqtftqx: then you need to build a custom build |
| 21:13:34 | xqtftqx | Dang |
| 21:13:40 | n1s | Robo210: how do you figure they are guesses? |
| 21:13:54 | bluebrother | Bagder: do you know about the tuner? The auction I'm watching says it's without radio. I guess that doesn't tell anything about the version? |
| 21:14:19 | Robo210 | n1s: the comments in powermgmt-ipod-pcd.c say so |
| 21:14:30 | Bagder | bluebrother: the v2 has radio, but I'm not sure if there is also v2s without |
| 21:15:25 | xqtftqx | Ill Just change my backdrop to a brighrer Color |
| 21:15:25 | bluebrother | ok ... let's see how much up that auction gets. |
| 21:15:25 | n1s | Robo210: ah, yes, just checked there ;) an easier way is using the battery_bench plugin to get values, however you might want to disable the low battery shutdown |
| 21:16:26 | Robo210 | alright, next time i charge my ipod i'll do that |
| 21:16:31 | PaulJam | xqtftqx: if you only want it to have a different colur in the wps, this would be posible by recreating it with your own images and by using a viewport with the foregroundcolour you want. |
| 21:17:13 | xqtftqx | its not the wps its the main menu, submenus,etc |
| 21:19:04 | n1s | Robo210: however, if you only get 5 hours out of your battery, it have degraded quite a bit so i'm not sure how useful those values will be... |
| 21:19:37 | n1s | s/have/has/ |
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| 21:24:16 | Robo210 | i had thought about that, but i could at least use them in a custom build, and do a comparision with the apple firmware, since one thing i noticed is that the battery never charges fully under rockbox compared to the apple firmware |
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| 21:33:36 | GCTonyHawk7 | Hello. |
| 21:34:40 | bluebrother | hello. |
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| 21:40:30 | saratoga | bluebrother: output quality is about as good as I've ever seen on a DAP |
| 21:40:33 | saratoga | http://rmaa.elektrokrishna.com/Comparisons/Comparison%20-%20Cowon%20D2%20-%20Samsung%20YP-U1%20-%20Sansa%20Clip%20-%2016%20Ohm%20Loads.htm |
| 21:40:48 | saratoga | note the almost perfectly flat bass response even with a 16 ohm load |
| 21:41:19 | bluebrother | I was wondering which one was better before ;-) |
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| 21:42:41 | bluebrother | wow −− what codec is the Clip using? AMS? |
| 21:43:03 | Bagder | yes |
| 21:44:08 | bluebrother | now I'd like to see the TLV320 in that comparison |
| 21:44:24 | bluebrother | (and maybe the Ipod codec) |
| 21:44:41 | saratoga | its actually weird how good the AMS codec does, since they also made the codec on the PP5024, and that one seems to suck |
| 21:44:51 | saratoga | though maybe thats just the PP magic |
| 21:45:08 | saratoga | they do seem quite good at taking other people's products and making them not work right |
| 21:45:21 | bluebrother | or they learned from their mistakes? |
| 21:45:40 | * | linuxstb should actually copy some music to his clip and listen to it... |
| 21:46:36 | bertrik | maybe the AMS codec uses a kind of bridged mode for the headphone amplifier to get such extended bass response |
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| 21:47:35 | saratoga | the AMS chip does have a very odd frequency response, so I expect its amp is somehow different then the Wolfson ones: http://rmaa.elektrokrishna.com/Comparisons/Comparison_-_Sansa_Clip_-_Loads.htm |
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| 21:52:16 | bluebrother | interesting page. |
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| 21:52:50 | fml | What would yu |
| 21:53:24 | saratoga | yeah theres a lot of people on ABI doing RMAA tests, so they have a lot of data |
| 21:53:34 | saratoga | i'm hoping they'll start putting them in their DAP reviews |
| 21:53:37 | fml | grr... what would you say if the list of plugins shown after "Open With..." would be sorted alphabetically? |
| 21:53:42 | preglow | actually looks like the ams soc uses a dc coupled output |
| 21:54:39 | bertrik | preglow: yes indeed, I was thinking the same |
| 21:55:15 | saratoga | preglow: they show coupling capacitors in 7.4.6.1 |
| 21:56:23 | saratoga | oh they're optional |
| 21:56:25 | saratoga | interesting |
| 21:58:57 | saratoga | the 3514 also offers that feature, though its possible PP dropped it to save pins on the 55024 |
| 21:59:45 | fml | Someone with commit right: please delete the line filetypes.c:474. The check is not needed since we're already in the if branch |
| 21:59:59 | fml | I think this doesn't deserve a patch |
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| 22:04:14 | bluebrother | fml: committed. |
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| 22:07:50 | fml | bluebrother: what do you think about sorting plugins after "Open With..."? |
| 22:08:38 | bluebrother | fml: well, I think I dislike it −− currently you can have the "most" used (in terms of what is most likely to get used) first |
| 22:09:15 | bluebrother | or isn't the order determined by the plugins configuration? |
| 22:10:14 | fml | bluebrother: I think yes. But in other places (file browser, plugin browser) they are sorted |
| 22:10:45 | bluebrother | really? |
| 22:12:33 | fml | bluebrother: they are listed as files in a directory |
| 22:13:02 | * | bluebrother slaps forehead |
| 22:13:12 | bluebrother | ah, right. |
| 22:13:47 | bluebrother | but I don't think that's a problem −− it would be kinda strange if they were unsorted in the browser. |
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| 22:14:54 | fml | But then it's a problem (IMHO) if they're not in the menu |
| 22:15:35 | bluebrother | hmm. I guess I'm not the best person to discuss this −− I barely use plugins so I don't care too much |
| 22:16:48 | fml | bluebrother: btw, I have made a small patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9033 |
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| 22:17:26 | fml | I wonder how pondlife et al have not noticed this! :-) |
| 22:18:11 | n1s | fml: if you start looking too hard you'll find way too much :) |
| 22:19:05 | fml | n1s: he-he. You fear? |
| 22:20:02 | * | bluebrother wonders when the police arrives for rbutil :) |
| 22:20:21 | n1s | fml: I think that if you would check the whole rockbox source for const, static correctness, style and long lines you would find quite a bit, yes |
| 22:20:34 | n1s | bluebrother: I don't think the police does c++ :P |
| 22:20:51 | fml | bluebrother: that's a dark end of the universe :-P |
| 22:21:09 | n1s | most of the stuff in tools is in outlaw land too |
| 22:21:27 | saratoga | why does using const save memory? |
| 22:21:32 | fml | But please commit FS #9033 to a) clean up the tracker and b) clean up the code |
| 22:21:56 | fml | saratoga: I don't think it necessarily does |
| 22:22:01 | n1s | saratoga: sometimes it allows gcc to perform better optimizations |
| 22:22:20 | n1s | but usually it just makes the code easier to understand imho |
| 22:22:31 | fml | IMHO it's more about readability and clearly stating what you intend to do with data |
| 22:23:06 | fml | Does rockbox have a general sorting function? |
| 22:23:20 | n1s | we have qsort |
| 22:23:41 | fml | n1s: where is it defined? stdlib? |
| 22:24:04 | * | n1s points to grep |
| 22:25:02 | n1s | but, yeah stdlib.h seems to be it |
| 22:27:04 | fml | n1s: another thought. 'items' is filled every time the plugins should be listed (in filetypes.c:464 ff). Why? Why not fill the array when reading the viewer config? It doesn't change afterwards. |
| 22:28:22 | fml | I assume that viewer.config is only read once |
| 22:29:13 | linuxstb | const helps with rombox though (Rockbox running from ROM) - assuming any targets are left that can do that... |
| 22:29:15 | n1s | fml: I'm not familiar with that code at all but yeah, it makes sense to fill in the array once, but don't know how much of a speed difference it would make... |
| 22:29:34 | n1s | linuxstb: h120 can do that afaik |
| 22:29:47 | fml | n1s |
| 22:29:57 | fml | n1s: only h120? |
| 22:30:07 | n1s | well, h1xx |
| 22:30:12 | fml | Why is it different? |
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| 22:31:49 | bluebrother | h115 can use rombox too, but that player has less memory than h120 and h140 |
| 22:33:07 | fml | I've searched the code. The viewers are read once −− on startup. So that array is const afterwards. |
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| 22:34:55 | fml | But if we fill it only once we'll get bigger binary since the array will be static |
| 22:35:13 | n1s | yes |
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| 22:36:35 | * | preglow is bloody tired of looking through disassemblies |
| 22:36:35 | bluebrother | I thought that array is dynamic now? |
| 22:36:43 | fml | But I'd still want to have the items sorted. How are the chances that a patch doing that will be accepted? |
| 22:37:18 | fml | bluebrother: it's filled every time but the result will be always the same |
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| 22:40:20 | * | Bagder renamed the wiki page Chinachip to ChinaChip just now |
| 22:41:44 | saratoga | wow a MIPS chip, haven't seen one of those on a DAP before |
| 22:41:56 | preglow | what dap? |
| 22:42:12 | preglow | right |
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| 22:42:33 | bluebrother | ChinaChip? Sounds like chinese rip-off |
| 22:43:03 | * | bluebrother curses rbsettings class |
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| 22:44:15 | * | preglow cuddles QSettings |
| 22:44:19 | n1s | haha, I love this, we have one struct called 'filetype' in filetypes.h and one called 'file_type' in filetypes.c |
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| 22:44:49 | bluebrother | QSettings is nice. But that RbSettings wrapper around is is ... quirky. |
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| 22:45:24 | preglow | i'm quite a qt fan these days |
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| 22:45:32 | preglow | it's not perfect, but sweet lord, by how many leaps and bounds it beats gtk |
| 22:45:44 | saratoga | wow 8 stage MIPS processor at 360MHz on 180nm process |
| 22:45:51 | saratoga | i hope its a large battery |
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| 22:47:48 | jpt9 | Hey. Random neat idea for a rockbox app −− a guitar/bass/whatever is coming in through the microphone tuner. Do you suppose that, say, a Sansa e250R would be able to do that in real-time? |
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| 22:48:27 | bluebrother | there's a patch for an instrument tuner in the tracker |
| 22:49:03 | jpt9 | As in one that analyzes the pitch of incoming audio? |
| 22:49:06 | preglow | yes |
| 22:49:14 | preglow | as in exactly what you want |
| 22:49:23 | jpt9 | Cool. Does it actually work? |
| 22:49:28 | preglow | i think so |
| 22:50:06 | jpt9 | I don't actually play guitar, but I thought it would be a neat idea. |
| 22:51:09 | preglow | indeed |
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| 23:01:00 | saratoga | when I do a "#include button-target.h" its supposed to go find the right include in the target tree based on the configure script I guess |
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| 23:01:29 | saratoga | but i don't know where i set that #include "XXXXX" should look in a specific folder |
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| 23:05:43 | n1s | saratoga, check out the vars beginning with t_* which are set for each target tree build in configurre |
| 23:05:50 | n1s | s/rr/r/ |
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| 23:11:19 | Davide-NYC | Does anyone have an opinion on the legitimacy of nowdirect.com ? They have a very good deal on re-certified 80GB HDs. |
| 23:15:19 | SgtPnkks | why did i decide to use a theme that supports album art? |
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| 23:20:07 | fml | Viewers sorting: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9034 |
| 23:20:22 | fml | Special offer for the community! :-) |
| 23:22:06 | saratoga | does anyone know where genlang gets generated? |
| 23:22:15 | fml | Hrm... it's actually buggy :-( |
| 23:22:29 | saratoga | sorry "gets called" i mean |
| 23:24:45 | bluebrother | saratoga: in apps/lang/Makefile |
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| 23:31:17 | * | Davide-NYC Hopes that nowdirect.com is not a scam site since I just purchased a pair of MK8009GAH drives. ;) |
| 23:33:21 | saratoga | Davide-NYC: what players do those work in? |
| 23:33:49 | Davide-NYC | any of the thick ones with a zif connector |
| 23:34:13 | Davide-NYC | with the 40-pin to zif adapter it shoudl fit into an H140 or a GBF |
| 23:34:21 | Davide-NYC | (the thicker Gigabeat F) |
| 23:35:17 | Davide-NYC | saratoga: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ZIFToATAAdapter |
| 23:36:57 | saratoga | are LIF and ZIF the same? |
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| 23:37:56 | Davide-NYC | I believe so. Low is closer to the truth than Zero in terms of Insertion Force needed to get that cable in. |
| 23:38:18 | Davide-NYC | Or is it Linear? |
| 23:38:22 | saratoga | low |
| 23:38:24 | * | Davide-NYC yawn |
| 23:38:32 | saratoga | so it should work with a gigabeast too |
| 23:38:49 | Davide-NYC | meaning GBS? |
| 23:39:21 | * | gevaerts understood those to have different disks than the F |
| 23:39:39 | * | Bagder got that impression too |
| 23:40:07 | saratoga | yeah the F is 50 pin and need an adapter |
| 23:40:25 | saratoga | the S is 40 pin "LIF" which is I think the same as "ZIF" |
| 23:40:30 | BigBambi | saratoga: yes, LIF = ZIF = goes straight in the S |
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| 23:40:55 | saratoga | hmm for $30 I might have to get one just so I can say I have a gigabeast 80GB |
| 23:40:59 | * | BigBambi has a 120 GB LIF/ZIF drive in his S |
| 23:41:06 | * | gevaerts decides to never buy a disk without asking for advice first |
| 23:42:06 | Davide-NYC | for a 20gb increase I'd say it's not worth it unless you either need the extra space or the drive is dying. |
| 23:42:18 | Davide-NYC | check this pic for clarification: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/images/gigabeat-s/gigabeat-s-apart-3.jpg |
| 23:42:47 | saratoga | i've actually got the 30GB one |
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| 23:43:04 | BigBambi | only a single platter drive then |
| 23:43:06 | Davide-NYC | then the drive in question (the 80gb) will not fit physically |
| 23:43:15 | Davide-NYC | it's thicker by 0.5cm |
| 23:43:20 | BigBambi | 0.3 |
| 23:43:25 | BigBambi | 5 mm vs 8 mm |
| 23:43:56 | Robo210 | speaking of dying drives... the drive in my ipod sometimes makes a clicking noise and refuses the boot unless i open it up or hit it sharply several times; i don't know if its dying or just a bad cable connection, any ideas? |
| 23:44:07 | Davide-NYC | right, 0,3 |
| 23:44:40 | saratoga | ah thats too bad |
| 23:44:45 | Davide-NYC | re-seat the connections inside the player |
| 23:44:55 | Robo210 | yeah, i do that frequently |
| 23:45:10 | BigBambi | Rob2223: It does sound like a dying drive to me :( |
| 23:45:12 | Davide-NYC | clean the connections with contact cleaner (on the cable side) |
| 23:45:28 | Davide-NYC | I have to agree.is your drive doing the clik clik clik dance? |
| 23:45:33 | Robo210 | yep |
| 23:45:37 | Davide-NYC | it's done |
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| 23:45:44 | Robo210 | a sharp hit fixes it for a month though |
| 23:45:55 | Davide-NYC | it's nearly done |
| 23:46:20 | Davide-NYC | your drive is currently like the monty python black night |
| 23:46:27 | * | gevaerts recommends to make sure to have backups |
| 23:46:27 | Robo210 | its done that every month for the last 3 years |
| 23:46:28 | bluebrother | sharp hit? Of a hard drive? Urgh. |
| 23:46:43 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:46:46 | Robo210 | sharp hit while its turned off ;-) |
| 23:47:17 | Robo210 | its not like the hit can do anything worse than the state it already in |
| 23:47:37 | Davide-NYC | Then I guess you're gold. Just do as gevaerts says and make sure to have backup |
| 23:47:45 | bluebrother | it can. It can die completely. |
| 23:48:23 | Robo210 | well, if it dies then i'm ready for that, otherwise i'll try to clean the connections |
| 23:48:37 | Robo210 | thanks for the tips there |
| 23:49:47 | bluebrother | \o/ |
| 23:49:54 | bluebrother | hex patching works fine again :) |
| 23:50:42 | bluebrother | now for polishing ... |
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| 23:52:57 | lobf | hey folks |
| 23:53:20 | lobf | i'm having a problem with my new rockbox install... can anyone help? |
| 23:53:40 | BigBambi | What player, what problem etc |
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| 23:54:27 | lobf | it's a 5th gen ipod video, 80GB |
| 23:54:31 | lobf | i was doing the database |
| 23:54:45 | bluebrother | BigBambi: maybe we should answer "nobody can help you" in such cases? ;-) |
| 23:54:58 | BigBambi | bluebrother: would be easier :) |
| 23:55:16 | lobf | and when it was about done it gave me a message that said "undefined instruction at FFFFFFFF (0)" |
| 23:56:23 | BigBambi | lobf: Is it repeatable? |
| 23:56:38 | lobf | yeah, it happened twice |
| 23:56:59 | BigBambi | how did you do the install? |
| 23:57:20 | lobf | i used the auto installer |
| 23:57:47 | lobf | ...that makes sense, right? |
| 23:58:00 | BigBambi | yes - rbutil linked from the manual? |
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