| 00:00:12 | BigBambi | gevaerts: I was under the impression rbutil always installs a 32 MB build |
| 00:00:20 | BigBambi | as it can't tell the difference |
| 00:00:27 | BigBambi | bluebrother: is that true? |
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| 00:01:16 | lobf | SO |
| 00:01:17 | bluebrother | BigBambi: yes. |
| 00:01:17 | lobf | er |
| 00:01:19 | lobf | *caps |
| 00:01:31 | lobf | so...any idea what i should do? |
| 00:01:46 | BigBambi | nope, I don't use the database |
| 00:01:46 | bluebrother | well, you can tell rbutil to install a 64MiB build on about any target ... but autodetection will detect only 32. |
| 00:02:08 | saratoga | does the file browser work? |
| 00:02:22 | BigBambi | lobf: did you use autodetection, or did you pick the target? |
| 00:02:56 | lobf | i picked drive H, 5th gen 80GB |
| 00:02:59 | lobf | manually |
| 00:03:24 | bluebrother | we really need to force autodetection ... |
| 00:03:36 | BigBambi | could you try installing this build instead: http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo/rockbox.zip |
| 00:03:42 | BigBambi | @ lobf |
| 00:04:04 | BigBambi | gevaerts: you could be right - I assumed because of rbutil it couldn't be |
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| 00:05:30 | lobf | thanks a bunch, bambi. i'll give it a shot and let you know |
| 00:05:55 | bluebrother | hmm. Should rbutil simply fail due to a wrong md5sum if hex file and selected player don't match or should it have additional checks? |
| 00:06:07 | BigBambi | for h100/h300? |
| 00:06:13 | * | bluebrother feels that code consists only of checks |
| 00:06:16 | bluebrother | yes |
| 00:06:49 | bluebrother | you can tell rbutil you have a h100 but feed it a h300 bootloader. It will work fine until checking of the created file |
| 00:07:13 | BigBambi | might as well check at the earliest stage possible |
| 00:08:24 | lobf | hey bambi, forgive my ignorance, but what do i do with that directory when i get it? |
| 00:08:29 | lobf | just move it to my ipod? |
| 00:08:33 | BigBambi | lobf: extract it to your player |
| 00:08:37 | BigBambi | it is a zip file |
| 00:08:38 | lobf | cool |
| 00:09:00 | lobf | indeed |
| 00:09:47 | saratoga | does teh stuff in the root of /firmare get built for the SIM? |
| 00:09:52 | bluebrother | lobf: you need to extract the zip file to your player keeping all paths inside. The topmost folder ".rockbox" needs to be in the root of your player (but you already have one there) |
| 00:10:48 | lobf | i got it, thanks |
| 00:10:49 | BigBambi | Or you could use rbutil to install a new build (on the second tab) but select video 30 GB instead |
| 00:10:54 | * | preglow starts pushing leads into his d2 |
| 00:11:01 | lobf | why select 30GB? |
| 00:11:24 | BigBambi | the only difference is memory amount |
| 00:11:41 | BigBambi | the 30 GB has 32 mb, the 60/80 GB has 64 GB |
| 00:12:02 | BigBambi | if you use a 32MB build on a 64GB, no problem, but the other way round won't work |
| 00:12:12 | BigBambi | It will give problems similar to what you are seeing |
| 00:12:24 | gevaerts | There seem to be some 60/80GB's around that only have 32MB, which would explain this |
| 00:12:36 | BigBambi | Some 60/80 GB videos are actually 30 GB videos with a bigger disk |
| 00:13:05 | * | gevaerts hopes that we didn't confuse lobf too much yet |
| 00:13:10 | BigBambi | hehe |
| 00:13:26 | BigBambi | lobf: the link I gave you is for a 32 MB (30 GB video) build |
| 00:13:27 | lobf | nope. it's fine |
| 00:13:32 | lobf | thanks |
| 00:15:46 | lobf | so when i extract it to my ipod i just reset my ipod? |
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| 00:16:52 | bluebrother | just reboot it. No need to reset |
| 00:17:05 | lobf | ok |
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| 00:22:03 | n1s | we really should make rockbox auto detect the ramsize... |
| 00:22:42 | bluebrother | reminds me that we don't know how to distinguish x5 and x5v for bootloader installation :( |
| 00:22:50 | BigBambi | n1s: it does - it returns data abort for 32 MB ones :) |
| 00:23:08 | lobf | BTW- this program kicks ass otherwise |
| 00:23:12 | lobf | you guys rock |
| 00:23:32 | n1s | bluebrother: i think i told you about this before but: they use different filenames for the bootloaders so we can copy both over and the correct one will be flashed |
| 00:23:46 | lobf | (it's doing the database now... i'll let you know if it works) |
| 00:23:56 | n1s | BigBambi: well, I would have gone for a friendlier approach :) |
| 00:25:16 | bluebrother | n1s: has someone confirmed that only the correct one will get used? |
| 00:25:41 | bluebrother | make bootloader installation needing _another_ special case. And I'm trying to consolidate ATM :( |
| 00:26:03 | n1s | bluebrother: afaik, yes, but why would they have different filenames (and different headers if they didn't?) |
| 00:26:38 | n1s | should be an easy test for someone with an x5 |
| 00:30:41 | saratoga | does anyone have any input on how simulator code should be merged into the target tree? |
| 00:31:05 | saratoga | right now a good deal of it is just #ifdefed into other files for the sim, and pointed at the target tree otherwise |
| 00:31:37 | saratoga | should there be a target tree entry for generic versions of functions used by the sims? |
| 00:31:52 | bluebrother | saratoga: how about a target "sdl"? |
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| 00:32:03 | saratoga | i suppose on devices its simple enough, since most (all?) SDL targets are just going to be arm, so they can use the target tree |
| 00:32:22 | saratoga | but if I want to compile an "application rockbox" for an x86 system, its not so clear how this should work |
| 00:32:34 | bluebrother | and then put files into firmware/target/x86/sdl |
| 00:33:00 | bluebrother | or x86app/sdl |
| 00:33:08 | saratoga | bluebrother: should the sim use that code too or do we want to leave that alone? |
| 00:33:48 | bluebrother | well, I'd consider the sim as a target for itself. Question is how good this fits into target tree |
| 00:34:17 | saratoga | i think it was currently favored that we leave the sim seperate from any SDL targets |
| 00:34:47 | saratoga | mostly i'm wondering abotu duplicating code |
| 00:36:21 | bluebrother | hmm. Can't emember the discussion, but I guess there were good reasons for that. |
| 00:36:30 | n1s | maybe it's a good idea to pop a mail on the dev list for this one? |
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| 00:37:18 | bluebrother | might be worth it. Or add it as topic for devcon? |
| 00:37:51 | saratoga | maybe it makes sense to just make the SDL targets declare SIMULATOR so they get all teh cross platform functions, and then have the SOURCES files also include the SDL target tree stuff if its an application build |
| 00:38:23 | n1s | sounds like a hack to me... |
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| 00:39:09 | saratoga | yes, but grepping "ifndef SIMULATOR" makes me kind of hesistant to do it otherwise |
| 00:39:48 | preglow | there, one sd card less |
| 00:40:20 | saratoga | in reality SIMULATOR seems to be used to declare any platform agnostic code, which is basically what the SDL targets are |
| 00:40:40 | saratoga | though i guess eventually we want a way to also specify that its "SDL ARM" or whatever |
| 00:41:44 | n1s | this should be given some proper thought to avoid getting into a deeper ifdef hell than necessary |
| 00:42:50 | saratoga | at the moment i'm not really programming |
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| 00:43:10 | saratoga | just trying to work out all the changes that will be neccessary and ressolve some of the minor stuff like makefiles and the configure script |
| 00:43:51 | saratoga | mp3_playback.c is all HWCODEC stuff right? |
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| 00:44:00 | lobf | okay folks |
| 00:44:10 | | Part Luis |
| 00:44:22 | lobf | so i loaded that different version and i get the same error |
| 00:44:29 | lobf | :'( |
| 00:44:46 | saratoga | did you ever try it without the database? |
| 00:46:28 | lobf | no... how? |
| 00:46:37 | gevaerts | lobf: did you extract the rockbox.zip correctly ? Some unzip programs like to add an extra directory |
| 00:46:52 | saratoga | Files menu then select a song and see if it plays |
| 00:46:54 | lobf | lemme check |
| 00:47:33 | bluebrother | why unzip? You can simply tell rbutil to use the 5G 30MiB build |
| 00:47:43 | bluebrother | and that will do everything needed ... |
| 00:48:18 | saratoga | is pcm.c used on software decode targets? |
| 00:48:21 | lobf | okay, i'll try the auto installer and select 30GB to make sure my bases are covered |
| 00:48:35 | gevaerts | That's probably the safest way |
| 00:48:50 | * | bluebrother wouldn't call rbutil "auto" ... |
| 00:48:50 | lobf | oh, and my musc is all in that hidden default ipod file |
| 00:48:53 | lobf | *folder |
| 00:48:58 | bluebrother | use the "Installation" tab |
| 00:48:59 | lobf | so i can't manually select my songs |
| 00:49:06 | BigBambi | yes you can |
| 00:49:09 | lobf | that's what i mean |
| 00:49:12 | lobf | really? |
| 00:49:14 | bluebrother | lobf: you can. Just set "show filetypes" to "all" |
| 00:49:17 | BigBambi | it changes the names and puts them in random folders |
| 00:49:26 | BigBambi | just select a random one |
| 00:49:28 | lobf | blue- on my ipod? |
| 00:49:32 | lobf | i know i can do it on my PC |
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| 00:49:39 | BigBambi | lobf: yes |
| 00:49:44 | bluebrother | sure −− on the PC wouldn't make sense, would it? |
| 00:49:54 | lobf | i don't know :P |
| 00:50:17 | saratoga | i don't really care how you play a song, just do it |
| 00:50:31 | saratoga | we want to see if it works, thats all |
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| 00:51:51 | lobf | okay, that works |
| 00:51:58 | * | bluebrother pulls the usual pointer: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 00:53:00 | lobf | i can only see the stupid itunes file names, though |
| 00:53:12 | BigBambi | it doesn't matter what song you play |
| 00:53:19 | BigBambi | just play a random one to see if it works |
| 00:53:46 | lobf | i did |
| 00:53:49 | lobf | it works, i said |
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| 00:54:02 | lobf | i'm listening to music |
| 00:54:18 | saratoga | good, shame you didn't try that when I asked 20 minutes ago |
| 00:54:28 | lobf | sorry dude, i didn't notice |
| 00:55:00 | lobf | and firefox crashed, so i lost the IRC window for a minute |
| 00:55:04 | lobf | (chatzilla) |
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| 00:55:13 | BigBambi | the channel is logged |
| 00:55:55 | lobf | where? |
| 00:55:59 | lobf | well, either way |
| 00:56:06 | lobf | what next? |
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| 00:56:24 | BigBambi | the IRC link from the left of every page of www.rockbox.org might be a good place to start... |
| 00:57:03 | gevaerts | Does the ability to play one song on a 64MB prove without doubt that this is a 64MB board ? |
| 00:57:20 | * | bluebrother curses rbsettings once more |
| 00:57:25 | BigBambi | I think he is using a 32 MB build now |
| 00:57:42 | * | gevaerts doesn't know anything any more |
| 00:57:50 | lobf | i am now |
| 00:57:59 | * | BigBambi neither, and on that note goes to bed |
| 00:58:26 | lobf | ... |
| 00:58:40 | BigBambi | lobf: what? |
| 00:58:49 | lobf | so you don't know what's going on? |
| 00:58:54 | gevaerts | Are you using the rbutil-installed 32MB build ? |
| 00:58:56 | BigBambi | It is 1am and I am tired |
| 00:59:01 | lobf | gotcha |
| 00:59:03 | lobf | night |
| 00:59:24 | lobf | gev- i started with the 64 but just tried the 32 |
| 00:59:51 | lobf | gave me the same problem |
| 00:59:53 | JdGordon | Davide-NYC: hey, can you explain what you mean that the stop icon doesnt update in my trigger patch? I really want to commit it today |
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| 01:00:19 | bluebrother | yeah. h... bootloader installation works :) |
| 01:00:49 | Davide-NYC | Oh, just that in the trigger screen, when the threshold is met and a file is actually recording, the stop square should dissapear. |
| 01:01:18 | bluebrother | enough work done for today. 'nite! |
| 01:02:11 | gevaerts | OK, so it's not the 64MB build causing the problem. That means it is in a place that I know nothing about... |
| 01:05:23 | saratoga | so anyone here familar with what pcm.c does? |
| 01:05:24 | Davide-NYC | JdGordon: basically the stop icon should disappear when recording is engaged. should show stop if the trigtype os set to stop (and the recording is stopped) and should show pause (double bars) if the trigtype is set to pause and the recording is in fact paused. |
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| 01:12:43 | JdGordon | Davide-NYC: ok, thanks, ill try to fix that today... |
| 01:13:01 | * | JdGordon doesntt think he will have much rockbox time today though |
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| 01:13:49 | * | Davide-NYC tips his hat to JdGordon for all of the rockbox work done over the months and years. |
| 01:14:50 | JdGordon | ... plenty of others desever a hat tipping before me :p |
| 01:15:06 | Davide-NYC | I know, but your here now and I had the urge. (itch?) |
| 01:15:57 | JdGordon | :)\ |
| 01:16:22 | mcuelenaere | saratago: you said something about the MIPS processor in Jz47xx, do you mean MIPS processors eat a lot of battery? (compared to ARM) |
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| 01:25:07 | mcuelenaere | last message @saratoga instead saratago |
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| 01:29:34 | lobf | so can anyone help me with my undfined instruction problem? |
| 01:29:38 | lobf | *undefined |
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| 01:30:40 | lobf | for a refresher, when i database my 5th gen, 80GB ipod, it gets to what must be the end, then it freezes with "undefined instruction at FFFFFFFF (0)" |
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| 01:31:26 | lobf | i tried the first time with the 64mb version, then i switched to the 30GB version and it did the same thing |
| 01:32:43 | lobf | any ideas? |
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| 02:39:09 | lobf | anyone here? |
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| 02:59:55 | advcomp2019 | lobf, yea 135 people |
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| 03:17:16 | lobf | adv- very funny :P |
| 03:17:23 | lobf | i'm having a technical problem |
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| 03:27:44 | advcomp2019 | lobf, since i do not have an ipod, i am not sure myself but are you using the latest build? |
| 03:28:57 | lobf | 1.0.5 |
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| 03:36:47 | advcomp2019 | that sounds like the rockbox utility version |
| 03:37:59 | lobf | what's that mean? |
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| 03:42:16 | advcomp2019 | the rockbox utility is the program that use to install rockbox with |
| 03:43:02 | SgtPnkks1 | thing refused to work for me |
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| 03:45:15 | SgtPnkks1 | had to go for a manual install because it wouldn't recognize my player |
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| 04:08:37 | JdGordon | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!! |
| 04:09:46 | saratoga | hey now |
| 04:09:58 | saratoga | people are trying to sleep in this channel |
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| 04:17:22 | JdGordon | :) |
| 04:17:40 | JdGordon | stupid bugs which I cant see how I introduced, or what the issue is or how to fix it! :( |
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| 04:48:14 | jpt9 | Does Rockbox have any sort of way to compress/even out volume levels? I have a radio show whose levels vary greatly, and it would be nice not to have to adjust the volume every few minutes. |
| 04:48:46 | saratoga | i think you'd have to divide it up into segments and replaygain each |
| 04:48:55 | jpt9 | oh. |
| 04:49:00 | jpt9 | that would be quite annoying to do. |
| 04:49:19 | saratoga | well check the manual, but i don't recall seeing any sort of dynamic volume feature |
| 04:49:37 | saratoga | its not usually necessary, since radio is so heavily compressed during trasmission |
| 04:50:26 | jpt9 | well, it's mostly when they get phone calls −− the callers are usually *much* louder than the hosts. |
| 04:57:12 | ze | rockbox doesn't support ladspa plugins yet? :p |
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| 04:58:21 | saratoga | no |
| 04:58:25 | ze | no GSoC project for a lightweight integer-based lv2 host? heh |
| 04:58:35 | ze | oh well :/ |
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| 05:08:46 | JdGordon | saratoga: get anywhere with sdl? |
| 05:09:53 | saratoga | i've made some progress |
| 05:10:09 | saratoga | i mostly understand how the configure script works and i've started putting things into the target tree |
| 05:10:21 | saratoga | make gets through the first 20 or so files before finally erroring out |
| 05:10:35 | saratoga | mostly i'm just figuring out how the sim works though |
| 05:10:48 | JdGordon | cool |
| 05:13:30 | saratoga | JdGordon: ever seen something like this: pastebin.com/m5c6031d9 |
| 05:14:35 | JdGordon | its trying to compile some asm |
| 05:14:42 | JdGordon | which is bad mmkay for sdl :p |
| 05:14:50 | saratoga | yeah i know but i don't know where its coming from |
| 05:15:02 | JdGordon | whats with those /tmp/ files?! |
| 05:16:11 | JdGordon | your in a #if defined(CPU_ARM) block... |
| 05:16:15 | saratoga | even weirder, that warning it gives me is in the middle of an #ifdef CPU_ARM |
| 05:16:26 | saratoga | yes but I have not defined CPU_ARM |
| 05:16:57 | saratoga | at least not in configure or the makefile |
| 05:17:12 | saratoga | grep -r CPU_ARM gives no matches in my build directory either |
| 05:17:15 | jhMikeS | did you #define CONFIG_CPU ? |
| 05:17:21 | JdGordon | its automatically defined in config.h |
| 05:17:40 | jhMikeS | CONFIG_CPU shouldn't be the target CPU for a SIM |
| 05:19:04 | saratoga | i didn't touch CONFIG_CPU at all |
| 05:19:14 | saratoga | do i need to? |
| 05:19:26 | JdGordon | you might have to... |
| 05:19:32 | jhMikeS | It shouldn't be defined by the config file if a SIM is made |
| 05:20:04 | saratoga | ugh its being set to PP5024 |
| 05:21:49 | saratoga | great now thread.h blows up on me |
| 05:22:25 | saratoga | getting this thing to compile without specifying an ARM or Coldfire CPU is annoying |
| 05:22:59 | jhMikeS | All sims should be compiling as such |
| 05:23:10 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: he's doing a new target... not a sim |
| 05:23:17 | jhMikeS | ah |
| 05:23:18 | JdGordon | so the firmware/ code is all being comipled.. |
| 05:23:36 | JdGordon | saratoga: just think, the mips guys will thanks you when they start getting code in :) |
| 05:23:43 | jhMikeS | I saw "eax" and such in the pasteand assumed :) |
| 05:25:07 | saratoga | i guess I should just define something like SDL and change a lot of the ifdef SIMULATOR lines to #ifdef SIMULTOR || SDL ? |
| 05:25:43 | * | jhMikeS saw the SDL mention as well. wth sort of target? |
| 05:25:52 | saratoga | generic SDL |
| 05:26:02 | saratoga | for now that would be my ubuntu PC |
| 05:26:16 | saratoga | but eventually some sort of cellphone or whatever |
| 05:26:25 | jhMikeS | so the "rockbox as app" thing ? |
| 05:26:33 | saratoga | yeah |
| 05:28:25 | saratoga | basically i want to bring all the sim stuff into the target tree, with the option of targeting a generic CPU, or an ARM CPU in which case all the ARM assmebly stuff gets used when possible |
| 05:28:55 | saratoga | and then i want to work on the possibility of targeting other APIs then SDL |
| 05:29:18 | JdGordon | ... the swedes liked the idea of (at least initially) keeping the sdl target and the sims seperate.. |
| 05:29:29 | saratoga | i saw that |
| 05:29:34 | saratoga | and it makes sense to me |
| 05:29:44 | saratoga | so i was goign to leave the current sim completely alone |
| 05:30:14 | saratoga | i guess some code will be duplicated, but probably not much, and not for long i think if anyone started seriously working on an app port |
| 05:31:14 | saratoga | and i suppose we don't actually have to commit the generic SDL target stuff if no one sees a use for it, though i think it'll be useful for me, at least while i'm figuring all this out |
| 05:31:22 | saratoga | much quicker then trying to debug on a target |
| 05:31:39 | JdGordon | I'm going to have another go at trying to get gcc going for winCE again once the month rolls over and I have heaps of download limit to churn though again |
| 05:32:05 | saratoga | and i'm dreaming of eventually adding the emulator project as a target too . . . |
| 05:32:31 | saratoga | JdGordon: how far did you get last time? |
| 05:32:56 | JdGordon | not very... gcc wouldnt compile and the only binary packages are for i386 and rpms |
| 05:33:07 | JdGordon | so gonna get a i386 VM going |
| 05:33:20 | saratoga | you only have x86-64? |
| 05:33:45 | JdGordon | my desktop is amd64 debian |
| 05:33:52 | JdGordon | laptop is windows... |
| 05:33:54 | * | jhMikeS dreams of a gcc port to rockbox so he can compile on target :) |
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| 05:34:25 | JdGordon | Mr. Lunatic :D |
| 05:34:38 | saratoga | does gcc for wince require Windows? |
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| 05:36:43 | TheGazR | I've thought of a pretty cool idea for Rockbox that I won't mind having a go at inplementing in the summer |
| 05:37:06 | TheGazR | I don't think Rockbox supports it yet, but some form of Pin code? |
| 05:37:32 | TheGazR | Being able to lock your device, or if it's idle for a certain amount of time it locks itself or something :S |
| 05:38:10 | saratoga | its been proposed before, but most people seemed to think it was a bad idea |
| 05:38:30 | TheGazR | Hmm, fair enough |
| 05:38:49 | TheGazR | Why is that out of interest? |
| 05:39:04 | saratoga | you can always mount in UMS mode and remove the lock |
| 05:40:08 | TheGazR | My idea was something like, have a unique encrypted key that you could have on the device and on your computer, and if the pin code was entered wrong 3 times or something it bricks the device, and the only way you're able to unbrick the device is by plugging it into your computer or something |
| 05:40:48 | JdGordon | saratoga: supposedly not... you can compile the wince libs on linux or something... there isnt much working howto's though |
| 05:41:08 | saratoga | JdGordon: which is the prefered environment? |
| 05:41:13 | saratoga | Windows i guess? |
| 05:41:26 | JdGordon | for what? |
| 05:41:31 | TheGazR | I thought of the idea whilst walking home from a party, so it's a bit shady at the moment |
| 05:41:35 | saratoga | for the wince-gcc project |
| 05:42:00 | JdGordon | well, no, the point of that project is for linux guys to be able to write their wince apps on linux.. |
| 05:42:13 | saratoga | oh |
| 05:42:27 | JdGordon | the other option is seeing if mingw can compile rockbox on windows... |
| 05:43:17 | saratoga | if it'd help, i can probably find you a 32 bit linux machine around here without a bandwidth cap, though i don't know how usable SSH is over this kind of distance |
| 05:43:46 | JdGordon | na its alright |
| 05:44:03 | saratoga | personally i'm rather indifferent as to which target we look at, i just want to be able to care as little as possible about the horrible details of setting up gcc and all that |
| 05:44:07 | JdGordon | im pretty sure i have a i386 ubuntu cd somewhere... im just lazy and using th end of the month as an excuse :?p |
| 05:45:14 | saratoga | though i am a fan of MS's documentation, so if we can link their api it might be fun |
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| 05:46:57 | JdGordon | well.. once the framework is more solid we should be able to get a winCE target going along side a sdl target or nix or whatever... so if you prefer a linux phone then its all good |
| 05:47:09 | * | JdGordon is just sick of media player on his phone :p |
| 05:47:24 | JdGordon | ... not that he uses it as a DAP much anyway |
| 05:47:33 | saratoga | is there some way to #ifndef two terms on one line or do I have to do two seperate #ifndefs? |
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| 05:59:36 | saratoga | does sysfont.h get created at compile time? |
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| 06:00:43 | JdGordon | yes |
| 06:01:01 | saratoga | by what process |
| 06:01:15 | JdGordon | make |
| 06:01:54 | JdGordon | its in the MAkefile in firmware/ |
| 06:04:14 | saratoga | i'm not getting one during make, do i need to declare something special in configure? |
| 06:10:45 | saratoga | hmm configure specifies convbdf so i'm not sure why it wouldn't get made |
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| 06:23:31 | woodensoul | Has anyone noticed the bug that causes a total crash when advancing to any files queued or insterted into a playlist already playing? |
| 06:25:03 | JdGordon | how can you advance to a already played track? |
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| 06:26:16 | GCTonyHawk7 | Hello, having some trouble with applying themes in Rockbox. |
| 06:28:46 | woodensoul | JdGordon: I meant the playlist was already playing, and inserting or queueing additional tracks causes the freeze when those tracks play. |
| 06:30:39 | JdGordon | by pressing next untill you get to the track? |
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| 06:31:29 | GCTonyHawk7 | Does anyone have the Rockbox DevKit? |
| 06:31:35 | GCTonyHawk7 | All the links i find are dead for it. |
| 06:32:51 | JdGordon | you dont need the devkit for themes... |
| 06:33:06 | JdGordon | and thats been deprecated nayway... there is a vmware image you can use |
| 06:33:07 | GCTonyHawk7 | I'm trying to use jClix |
| 06:33:27 | GCTonyHawk7 | http://pijulius.blogspot.com/2006/08/jclix-rockbox-themes-ipod-video.html |
| 06:33:28 | JdGordon | whats the problem? |
| 06:33:32 | GCTonyHawk7 | Says I need those five patches. |
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| 06:34:43 | JdGordon | we dont support custom builds... |
| 06:35:05 | JdGordon | try the forums though, there might be a prebuild build there for that |
| 06:35:21 | GCTonyHawk7 | Well, any easier way to make the rockbox look better? |
| 06:35:35 | GCTonyHawk7 | By default it looks like crap. |
| 06:36:00 | JdGordon | rockbox-themes.org |
| 06:36:26 | GCTonyHawk7 | Ya, but those all look bad. The good looking ones require patches. :-\ |
| 06:36:44 | Llorean | Make your own then. |
| 06:36:58 | GCTonyHawk7 | Sorry, I'm kind of a newb at this. Was fed up with iTunes and apple's shit and found this. |
| 06:37:08 | Llorean | Well those are your choices. |
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| 06:37:26 | GCTonyHawk7 | So they make those themes even though you can't use them? o_O |
| 06:37:32 | woodensoul | JdGordon: No, actually, I've always seen the freeze when the track plays normally without pressing next to get to it. |
| 06:38:12 | JdGordon | what rockbox build number? (go system > rockbox info) |
| 06:38:43 | woodensoul | I think I started getting it about 2 or 3 weeks ago. |
| 06:39:05 | JdGordon | have you tried the very latest build? |
| 06:39:12 | woodensoul | I updated to the current SVN a few days ago and still got the bug. |
| 06:39:30 | JdGordon | try again with the latest build, if its still there do a bug report... |
| 06:39:55 | woodensoul | were there commits recently addressing that issue? |
| 06:40:01 | JdGordon | dunno |
| 06:40:39 | Llorean | woodensoul: The keys are A) it should be a bug report, and B) bug reports should always be against the current build. |
| 06:41:24 | woodensoul | yeah |
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| 06:46:48 | JdGordon | so much for waiting :p I got a deb i386 image going... anyone else want ssh access to try getting cegcc going? |
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| 06:57:54 | JdGordon | oh poo! |
| 06:58:12 | JdGordon | "the file 'hello' cannot be opened." :'( |
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| 07:12:01 | JdGordon | arg, not a valid win32 app :( |
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| 07:53:56 | GCTonyHawk7 | Hey, I'm having trouble getting the album art to display on Rockbox for the iPod 5G. |
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| 08:01:30 | linuxstb_ | GCTonyHawk7: Have you seen this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
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| 08:01:48 | GCTonyHawk7 | I've not. thanks. ;-) |
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| 08:04:00 | GCTonyHawk7 | Hmmm, kind of a pain. :-\ |
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| 08:26:30 | GCTonyHawk7 | Anyone around? |
| 08:27:02 | linuxstb | If you have a question, just ask it. |
| 08:27:22 | GCTonyHawk7 | Heh, ok. Anyone here use Mediamonkey to sync to Rockbox? |
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| 08:28:30 | linuxstb | I doubt it. Most people here seem to simply copy files manually. But I may be proved wrong... |
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| 08:29:04 | GCTonyHawk7 | Hmmm, the album art thing poses a problem... and I'm sure someone has done something with it in Mediamonkey. |
| 08:29:08 | GCTonyHawk7 | Google not helping though. |
| 08:29:21 | GCTonyHawk7 | See, when syncing, it has the power to put the album art into the folder. |
| 08:29:27 | GCTonyHawk7 | Although, it uses JPG. |
| 08:29:45 | GCTonyHawk7 | I bet there could be a script written for Mediamonkey to make it a Bitmap at 100x100. |
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| 08:37:45 | csc` | what does rockbox use as a bugtracker? |
| 08:38:29 | csc` | flyspray? |
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| 08:55:18 | lobf | hello |
| 08:55:27 | lobf | can anyone help me with a technical problem? |
| 08:56:55 | JdGordon | not if you dont ask a question... |
| 08:57:26 | lobf | heh |
| 08:57:27 | lobf | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16990.0 |
| 08:57:34 | lobf | it's easier than typing it out |
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| 08:58:01 | JdGordon | ffffffff means -1 which means there is a real bug somewhere.... |
| 08:58:17 | JdGordon | your using the latest build? |
| 08:58:51 | lobf | yup |
| 08:59:01 | lobf | what's -1 mean? |
| 08:59:16 | JdGordon | it means there is a bug somewehre |
| 08:59:20 | lobf | and it counts way past how many files i have on my ipod, let alone audio files |
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| 09:00:21 | lobf | so any idea what i should do? |
| 09:00:25 | lobf | i used version 1.0.5 |
| 09:00:42 | JdGordon | of what? rbutil? |
| 09:00:54 | lobf | yeah |
| 09:01:20 | lobf | but i also tried with rockbox.zip |
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| 09:01:39 | lobf | from the current build page |
| 09:01:43 | lobf | 30 and 60 |
| 09:01:54 | lobf | \80 |
| 09:02:17 | JdGordon | file a bug report... Slasheri is the database guy, he might know what mihgt cause that |
| 09:04:17 | lobf | please forgive my ignorance, but how do i do that and where do i put it? |
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| 09:07:27 | linuxstb_ | lobf: Have you checked your disk for errors? e.g. with "chkdsk /f" ? |
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| 09:07:52 | lobf | i have not |
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| 09:08:38 | lobf | i'll give that a shot, but could you tell me how to make and where to put an error report? |
| 09:09:29 | linuxstb | Follow the "bugs" link in the menu to the left of every page on the Rockbox website |
| 09:09:42 | lobf | thanks :) |
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| 09:12:46 | lobf | i don't see how to make an error log |
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| 09:14:20 | linuxstb | What do you mean by "error log" ? |
| 09:15:17 | lobf | i thought the software would make a log of it's error... |
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| 09:18:34 | linuxstb | No... It just gives up and doesn't do anything - it doesn't know what's gone wrong, and trying to write to disk may fail badly. |
| 09:18:45 | lobf | gotcha |
| 09:20:02 | lobf | i tried chkdsk but it says the volume is in use |
| 09:20:13 | lobf | i'm fairly computer literate, but i've never used chkdsk |
| 09:20:50 | linuxstb | Do you have any windows open using that drive? Even just explorer? |
| 09:21:03 | * | linuxstb suggests google... |
| 09:22:09 | lobf | no, i don't |
| 09:24:10 | lobf | oops |
| 09:24:13 | lobf | wrong direction |
| 09:24:56 | lobf | hm... the chkdsk screen shows up for a hald a second then disappears |
| 09:25:20 | linuxstb | Start a command prompt, then type the command in there. |
| 09:27:05 | lobf | got it |
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| 09:30:12 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: is it better to yield() whenever possible and let the schedular work it out? or just yield once a second or so? |
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| 09:32:39 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I think most of the code yields a lot more than once a second - i.e. at least 50-100 IIRC. |
| 09:33:27 | JdGordon | it seems the playlist generator is yielding for every file added... I think changing that to once per HZ/2 should speed it up and still work fine? |
| 09:34:36 | linuxstb | I would be surprised if that made a noticable difference, but you could try. |
| 09:34:38 | * | JdGordon starts a very unscientific test |
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| 09:35:35 | linuxstb | lobf: Did chkdsk find any problems? |
| 09:36:07 | lobf | it found a problem with an oblivion mod that i had stored on there |
| 09:36:21 | lobf | that's it |
| 09:36:38 | lobf | i deleted that and am doing it again just for fun |
| 09:37:32 | bertrik | has it ever been considered to make the cpu boost automatic? |
| 09:37:59 | lobf | okay, chkdsk finished, no errors |
| 09:38:20 | bertrik | right now, boost/unboost is all over the code and prone to be unbalanced. I've run in quite a few bugs with this already. |
| 09:38:45 | bertrik | Maybe we could decide to boost/unboost in the kernel, based on the number of tasks that are ready |
| 09:39:17 | linuxstb | How would that work? Just having 1 task ready could mean the CPU needs boosting. |
| 09:41:11 | bertrik | linuxstb: you mean like a codec decoding task that doesn't run fast enough to be realtime when unboosted |
| 09:41:43 | lobf | hey linux- any suggestions? |
| 09:42:06 | linuxstb | bertrik: Yes. Or disk reading which doesn't _have_ to boost, but it saves power if it does (IIUC). |
| 09:42:48 | linuxstb | lobf: I assume you're still getting the "undefined instruction" ? |
| 09:43:15 | lobf | well i haven't tried the databse since i did chkdsk... should i? |
| 09:43:42 | linuxstb | lobf: Isn't that the problem you're trying to solve? |
| 09:44:07 | lobf | yes, but i did't know if chkdsk changed anything |
| 09:44:18 | lobf | i thought it just verified whetheror not my disk was fucked |
| 09:44:36 | linuxstb | If you used the "/f" option, then it should have fixed any errors it found. You said it found an error with one file? |
| 09:44:53 | lobf | yes |
| 09:44:56 | lobf | i'll try it again |
| 09:45:11 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: once a tick at least |
| 09:45:13 | lobf | i remember it saying it fixed some stuff |
| 09:45:20 | bertrik | linuxstb: I'm just playing with the idea, haven't thought all consequences through yet |
| 09:45:25 | lobf | bear with me :) |
| 09:46:41 | linuxstb | bertrik: There seems to be a difference of opinion about the Rockbox kernel - some people want to keep it as simple as possible, others want to make it as complex as possible... |
| 09:46:41 | lobf | oh, also when i touch my scroll wheel when it's databasing the file number moves more quickly for a moment |
| 09:46:49 | bertrik | a disk reading task could yield instead of sleep to keep it's task in the ready state and indicate it's not really done yet |
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| 09:47:11 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: too much and you just kill cycles with pointless switch_thread calls that will just likely select the same thread again |
| 09:48:58 | jhMikeS | yield cycle burning is pointless and the core can't enter a low-power state in a yield call - only sleeping or blocking which can take all threads off the run list. thread block and waking is a microsecond-level activity anyway. |
| 09:50:11 | JdGordon | ok, so is HZ/4 too slow? |
| 09:55:10 | jhMikeS | by a factor of at least 25 :) |
| 09:56:46 | JdGordon | ok, so it was probably yielding less than once per tick anyway.. |
| 09:57:03 | JdGordon | roughly how much can these cpus do in a tick? |
| 09:57:46 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: "complex as possible"? I see it as "make it as simple for the other 99% of the code as possible". |
| 09:58:23 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: Updating the display several times isn't much to ask |
| 09:58:56 | JdGordon | walking the directory tree? |
| 09:59:28 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I know - but others (including me) would like to just keep the kernel simple and understandable by as many people as possible. |
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| 10:00:19 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: a hundred or so files w/o dircache it looks like |
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| 10:00:47 | JdGordon | crikey... so it could very well be yielding many hundreds of times per tick? |
| 10:01:44 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: probably - a gigabeat can rack up millions of switch_threads just starting the firmware (because of spinning in the ata driver) |
| 10:02:23 | JdGordon | would it be stupid to add a check in the actual yield call then to stop that? |
| 10:04:32 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: things can't be simpler than the task demands though or you'll just end up with ill-behaved code - so for example, if you have priority, a scheme to prevent inversions is mandatory which amounts to inheritance (easy to use, hard to implement) or ceiling protocols (easy to implement, programmer must watch resource priorities though). |
| 10:05:38 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: dsp.c just watches the tick. it needed at least one upon entry and then limits it to each tick change thereafter. |
| 10:08:26 | lobf | hey linux... it worked! |
| 10:09:04 | lobf | thank you so much for your help |
| 10:09:08 | lobf | and being patient |
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| 10:10:43 | linuxstb | lobf: No problem. Rockbox shouldn't crash though, so it shows more sanity checking is needed somewhere... |
| 10:11:20 | lobf | thisis pretty awesome software |
| 10:13:41 | bertrik | linuxstb: I like simple too, but so far I've seen enough bugs with boost/unboost to make it worth thinking about some kind of autoboost |
| 10:14:53 | linuxstb | bertrik: Are there currently bugs with unbalanced boost/unboost calls? |
| 10:16:12 | bertrik | not sure if it's an unbalance, but the cpu in my sansa stays boosted when playing the last song of an album with repeat off |
| 10:18:40 | bertrik | (this is already on the patch tracker : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8964 ) |
| 10:19:09 | bertrik | patch->bug |
| 10:21:41 | jhMikeS | bertrik: we had that and it's really very ugly because there really no reliable way to tell outside the thread doing the boosting when it should or shouldn't. It's manual but calling trigger_cpu_boost multiple times in a row doesn't accumulate counts for the thread that did it. 100 calls to trigger_cpu_boost for example gets cancelled by a single call to cancel_cpu_boost. |
| 10:25:14 | jhMikeS | I can say for sure that the auto thing created way more difficulties, longer-lasting bugs and strange hacks to "make sure". |
| 10:25:32 | lobf | hey can you guys tell me if i need to do a new database every time i load music? |
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| 10:26:52 | linuxstb | lobf: Not if you enable the "auto-update" and "load to RAM" options. The Rockbox manual should describe it. |
| 10:27:54 | bertrik | jhMikeS: ok, if it's already been tried and found too complex, then that answers my original question :P |
| 10:28:15 | lobf | i'll admit, i've only skimmed the manual |
| 10:30:28 | lobf | oh, and i never had an obvious option to load to ram after i finished the database |
| 10:32:20 | lobf | and i have a bizarre now playing screen |
| 10:34:00 | lobf | when i try and play a song from the database menu it tells me it's searching and counts down... is this because i enabled shuffle? |
| 10:36:54 | lobf | my now playing screen is majorly fucked up |
| 10:37:01 | jhMikeS | bertrik: one exeption will likely be the IMX31-based targets which has hardware dedicated to DVFS that watches activity in various systems and can scale gradually the frequency and core voltage |
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| 10:41:41 | lobf | hey dude, did you catch my new problems? |
| 10:42:28 | lobf | linuxstb? |
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| 10:53:15 | advcomp2019 | lobf, whats going on now |
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| 10:53:56 | lobf | heh, actually give me a minute, it may have sorted itself out |
| 10:54:25 | lobf | you can tell me if the searching countdown every time i select a song is because of shuffle, though |
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| 11:06:05 | lobf | advcomp- do you know what that's about? |
| 11:09:59 | JdGordon | lobf: unless you type the persons whole nick there is no point typing any of it.... |
| 11:10:41 | lobf | some irc clients beep on abbreviations |
| 11:11:02 | JdGordon | almost none do that by default |
| 11:11:04 | lobf | i used to go by lotsofblackflags and there was a guy called otso who used to get beeped whenever someone would type my whole name |
| 11:11:25 | lobf | *shrug* |
| 11:11:33 | lobf | i didn't know it was so uncommon |
| 11:11:34 | JdGordon | its also just as easy to press <tab> than to press - |
| 11:12:34 | advcomp2019 | i am not sure |
| 11:12:57 | lobf | thanks for the tip, JdGordon |
| 11:13:02 | lobf | that's useful |
| 11:13:52 | lobf | rockbox isn't so great for podcasts, though... |
| 11:14:37 | advcomp2019 | if you use the files and not database it is useful in my opinion |
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| 11:18:01 | lobf | good idea |
| 11:20:02 | * | BigBambi doesn't get the whole thing with podcasts being different - they are just audio files... |
| 11:21:14 | lobf | the default ipod software keeps track of which you've listened to already, lists them by date, and has them in a separate directory |
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| 11:21:30 | * | BigBambi is aware of what he has listened to |
| 11:22:23 | lobf | i like KCRW's Left Right and Center... unfortunately there's little to differentiate each episode |
| 11:22:45 | BigBambi | lobf: could you edit your forum post with the fix - it could help others in the future |
| 11:22:54 | lobf | absolutely |
| 11:23:04 | BigBambi | thanks |
| 11:23:06 | JdGordon | guys... this channel is on topic so off to a different chann thanks... |
| 11:23:31 | * | BigBambi thinks discussing podcast handling within rockbox is on-topic |
| 11:24:04 | JdGordon | meh :p |
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| 11:24:38 | lobf_ | computer restarted... |
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| 11:29:34 | lobf_ | edited |
| 11:29:38 | lobf_ | is that good? |
| 11:30:56 | BigBambi | lobf: yes, thanks very much |
| 11:31:22 | lobf_ | no problemo |
| 11:31:43 | lobf_ | do you know how i'd find my podcasts in the file menu? |
| 11:31:59 | BigBambi | You would need to transfer them not using itunes |
| 11:32:14 | BigBambi | as itunes does the stupid file and directory name chaning |
| 11:32:39 | lobf_ | that's such a pain in the ass |
| 11:32:43 | BigBambi | A lot of people just copy and paste, but if you do that, they won't appear in the OF |
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| 11:35:02 | lobf_ | what's OF? |
| 11:35:10 | BigBambi | original firmware |
| 11:36:53 | lobf_ | i see |
| 11:37:06 | lobf_ | well, now it's my turn to hit the sack |
| 11:37:13 | lobf_ | thanks for all your help, fellas |
| 11:37:34 | lobf_ | i'll be on again with another bizarre problem, I'm sure :P |
| 11:38:49 | lobf_ | night |
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| 11:56:28 | n1s | jhMikeS: it seems the 5.5g 80GB problems are back for some users, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15542.msg125920#msg125920 |
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| 12:13:00 | n1s | i don't know much about thread synchronisation and the like but why is the mutex only locked/unlocked in ata_read_sectors if MAX_PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE is not defined? |
| 12:14:30 | JdGordon | so a read/write doesnt happen to part of the open sector when its 2048 bytes instead of 512? |
| 12:14:46 | jhMikeS | because I think it gets called from higher up with the mutex locked in that case |
| 12:15:22 | n1s | ah, ok, just seemed weird to me :) |
| 12:21:06 | crash91 | Where is the album art code located? |
| 12:22:07 | crash91 | Or rather, the code for displaying it in the WPS |
| 12:22:16 | n1s | hmm, i see no special casing for MAX_PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE in fat.c so imho it would be worth it to try with the same locking in ata_read_sectors for the 5.5G as the others use |
| 12:22:30 | JdGordon | crash91: apps/gui/gwps*.c |
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| 12:22:51 | crash91 | JdGordon: Thanks |
| 12:25:26 | jhMikeS | n1s: I added a comment basically stating the real bug should be taken care of and stop band-aiding with that hack. I'd do it myself if I had a still-afflicted device. |
| 12:26:52 | n1s | jhMikeS: yeah, blind debugging is no fun :/ |
| 12:28:33 | n1s | anyway, great work on that thermistor reading thing, real hacking should involve towels and icepacks :) |
| 12:28:53 | jhMikeS | Nico_P and Horscht both reported the "all clear" on it and their device were afflicted badly until the power delay increase. |
| 12:30:11 | jhMikeS | n1s: thanks. :) care to check the temp on a completely cold 'beast compared with a thermometer? don't delay in getting to the readout since the temp starts going up pretty fast. |
| 12:30:30 | n1s | it seems all reporters have dircache + auto resume enabled which both fight for the disk at startup, do you know if they tested with those settings? |
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| 12:31:05 | n1s | jhMikeS: measuring on the outside with a thermometer? i'd rather not open it up |
| 12:31:08 | jhMikeS | I've tested a 5.5G and everything else with those settings. The UI is never affected. |
| 12:31:33 | jhMikeS | n1s: no, in the battery screen it shows deg C/F on the 2nd page |
| 12:31:50 | n1s | ah, you mean compared to ambient |
| 12:32:02 | jhMikeS | compare completely cold device with air temp |
| 12:32:13 | n1s | ok, will give it a shot |
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| 12:36:57 | jhMikeS | be very quick - it starts heating it fast esp. with the disk running so you might see a degree or two warmer |
| 12:37:27 | n1s | I had to unzip a new build but after that it was 4C above the air temp |
| 12:38:00 | n1s | i'll let it rest for a while and test again |
| 12:38:02 | jhMikeS | about what I'd expect after that so the research seems sound |
| 12:38:31 | jhMikeS | what was the temp btw? |
| 12:38:53 | n1s | 27C battery, 23C air |
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| 12:42:29 | jhMikeS | toffee82: (for whenever you may read this) Have any more defunct boards from which you can send me more thermistors (carefully removed)? Getting component tolerance out of the equation would be nice. |
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| 12:55:15 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: need any more temps? |
| 12:56:24 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: the more the merrier. the greater the range of ambient temps the better too. |
| 12:56:56 | BigBambi | ok, I need to update the build so I'll have to let it cool first a bit |
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| 13:00:28 | jhMikeS | I saw that it can measure a degree or two warmer even after an hour or so. One thing that helps is put it face down on something insulated or a surface that doesn't match the air temp will change things. |
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| 13:02:26 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: After a minute or so (on, unzip build, rolo, look) battery temp was 27 deg C, ambient is ~ 24-25 deg C |
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| 13:05:08 | jhMikeS | sounds about right. btw, the ambient temps are from a themometer near the device? When I let it settle and compare like that, they match for me. |
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| 13:05:44 | BigBambi | ambient is from thermometer about 2 m away |
| 13:05:55 | BigBambi | I can leave the beast to see how the temp changes |
| 13:07:08 | jhMikeS | from my computer to near the light switch (maybe 2.5m) it's a couple degrees colder :) |
| 13:07:42 | BigBambi | :) |
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| 13:08:15 | BigBambi | neither the thermometer nor the beast are near the computer :) |
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| 15:41:25 | Makuseru | n1s: on what device? |
| 15:42:03 | n1s | Makuseru: testing the battery temp sensing thermistor calibration on Gigabeat S |
| 15:43:05 | Makuseru | hows Rockbox running on it? i have a F, and was considering getting the S once i heard some more about how Rockbox is doing on it. |
| 15:45:33 | n1s | it works well, we don't have charging support yet and the battery runtime is a bit shorter than the OF |
| 15:46:15 | Makuseru | so your one of the people working on it? |
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| 15:47:46 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: reading was 26 deg C, ambient ~ 25 deg C, so seems reasonable |
| 15:47:57 | BigBambi | (after leaving it off for a while) |
| 15:49:55 | n1s | Makuseru: I've done a little bit, yes |
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| 16:55:21 | PaulJam_ | hmm, are there any informations ablout a crash with "*PANIC* event line full"? |
| 16:57:04 | preglow | yes |
| 16:57:09 | preglow | can't remember the fs entry, though |
| 16:58:12 | obo | PaulJam_: FS #8993 |
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| 16:59:08 | PaulJam_ | obo: thanks, but i think this is a different one |
| 16:59:49 | obo | you're getting a different event number? |
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| 17:00:37 | PaulJam_ | i don't get any event number, just "*PANIC* event line full" |
| 17:02:08 | obo | the panic was changed in r17265 to print an event id |
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| 17:04:04 | PaulJam_ | i'm using r17628 |
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| 17:06:22 | obo | my bad - it's on add_event rather than remove_event |
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| 17:18:51 | obo | PaulJam_: do you have a recipe to reproduce it? |
| 17:19:45 | PaulJam_ | i managed to reproduce it, but it seems to be unreliable |
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| 17:35:44 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: ping |
| 17:39:52 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: when you say to send thermistors from GBS units, is this a reversible process? I mean if I send you a working unit, will I get a working unit back? |
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| 18:13:14 | entropy | Hello, can anyone help me find out why my 80Gb ipod freezes on all songs at 0:00, after rockbox install, on the apple side of its boot? |
| 18:15:54 | entropy | i am using rockbox version r.15589-071111 on an 80 Gb video ipod, and couldnt find this issue in the faq,manual, or rockbox site... |
| 18:17:01 | linuxstb | That's about a six month old version of Rockbox... When did you inst |
| 18:17:06 | linuxstb | ^install it? |
| 18:17:16 | entropy | about 6 months ago |
| 18:17:30 | linuxstb | And have you had this problem since then? |
| 18:18:10 | linuxstb | And do I understand correctly that your problem is that songs now no longer play in the original Apple firmware? |
| 18:18:11 | entropy | yes, i mainly use the rockbox side which works fine, but now i thought id try to fix the apple side, just trying to get back my itunes junk |
| 18:18:35 | entropy | that is correct, they freeze at 0:00 but list alright on the ipod |
| 18:19:25 | linuxstb | Sounds like a problem with the Apple firmware's database - nothing really to do with Rockbox. |
| 18:20:06 | entropy | alright, so i should probably search apples sites for a database fix solution, linuxstb? |
| 18:21:25 | linuxstb | I expect the only think Apple will say is to restore your ipod and transfer your music again with itunes. But third-party "itunes replacement" programs may be able to rebuild the database. But this is getting off-topic for here. |
| 18:22:06 | entropy | no prob, thanks for the help lstb, much appreciated, btw rockbox is great |
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| 19:40:17 | PaulJam_ | hmm, seems like gater runtime data is at least involved in the *PANIC* |
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| 19:58:50 | kylehjin | I had a 5.5g 80GB with ROckbox working great until one day it randomly gives me errors about not finding rockbox.ipod and won't boot |
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| 19:59:27 | kylehjin | I try to mount /dev/sdb2 which is the large FAT32 partition I originally formatted with mtools but now it won't mount unless I actually specify -t vfat |
| 19:59:41 | kylehjin | Otherwise it will complain about unknown filesystem type |
| 19:59:59 | kylehjin | And when I do mount -t vfat /dev/sdb2 it works but I can't write to it! |
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| 20:01:02 | saratoga | sounds like you have some file system problems, maybe run whatever checkdisk equivilent is in linux and see if it finds errors |
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| 20:07:02 | krazykit | kylehjin, yes, do fsck that filesystem, and make sure your user has write permissions on the mount. see the mount man page for what options you'd need. |
| 20:07:44 | kylehjin | krazykit: So I fscked it and fixed maybe 7 or so errors |
| 20:08:02 | kylehjin | Now fsck.vfat returns no errors |
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| 20:08:26 | kylehjin | BUt I still have the same problems in that I cannot mount without -t vfat and when I do I cannot write to it even as root |
| 20:09:09 | krazykit | try -t vfat -o uid=whatever_your_uid_is |
| 20:09:25 | krazykit | oh, even as root. |
| 20:10:12 | saratoga | if you've got itunes handy, its probably just easier to restore the ipod and then readd your music and rockbox |
| 20:10:35 | krazykit | there's also the manual ipod restore you can do from linux. |
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| 21:04:27 | jason77 | Hi |
| 21:04:42 | jason77 | would rockbox be supported on the iPod 160gb? |
| 21:05:14 | Llorean | Rockbox does not run on the 160gb iPod. |
| 21:05:30 | jason77 | yea but would it run eventually? |
| 21:05:50 | BigBambi | Only if interested owners do the huge amount of work, but don't hold your breath |
| 21:05:55 | jason77 | ok |
| 21:06:07 | BigBambi | The firmware is encrypted, the hardware is new and undocumented |
| 21:06:12 | jason77 | iok |
| 21:06:16 | jason77 | ok just wondered |
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| 21:19:13 | jason77 | pretty quite in here |
| 21:22:24 | Llorean | It's not a conversation channel. There are many quiet periods. |
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| 21:34:53 | * | Nico_P doesn't see a battery temp reading in the battery info debug screen on his S |
| 21:35:23 | n1s | Nico_P: it's on the second page |
| 21:35:57 | Nico_P | wow I had never seen those additional pages |
| 21:36:23 | n1s | Nico_P: btw could you retest the ipod 5.5G 80GB issue with dircache + autoresume causing skipping in playback since the ata hack was removed again? |
| 21:36:42 | n1s | some reports have come in about it happening again now... |
| 21:37:03 | Nico_P | n1s: I'll need to update, but I never got any skips, even when testing nonhack code prior to amiconn's fix |
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| 21:37:46 | n1s | ah, then it's probably not very useful :) |
| 21:38:07 | Nico_P | but I have to agree that there seems to be some fight over the disk when resuming shortly after startup |
| 21:38:13 | Llorean | I thought the reports were for the disk spinning a long time, but not causing skips. |
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| 21:39:07 | Nico_P | however, the situation was much better after amiconn's fix. perhaps not perfect yet though |
| 21:39:11 | n1s | Llorean: the post by "TexasRockbox" mentions music cutting ot every few seconds |
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| 21:39:55 | n1s | he also states that he has 12k files so the dircache build will take quite a while... |
| 21:40:18 | Llorean | I'd be curious what bitrate vorbis he's using. |
| 21:40:54 | Llorean | I mean, it might be a case of CPU starvation, rather than buffer starvation. |
| 21:41:34 | Nico_P | I suspect so. has he described what the buffering debug screen does? |
| 21:41:37 | Llorean | If it were a buffer issue, I'd imagine people resuming FLAC or other very, very high bitrate files would see it the most, right? |
| 21:42:58 | * | n1s looks at fs#9030 and scratches head... |
| 21:44:41 | Llorean | Just respond "S3M files are not supported"? |
| 21:45:26 | Nico_P | a data abort is ugly though |
| 21:45:45 | Llorean | Yes, "bad" files should be handled properly |
| 21:46:10 | Llorean | But I mean, regarding the apparent confusion in the last comment. |
| 21:46:51 | n1s | from what i understand, he reports a data abort when playing s3m files renamed to mod with a pitch of 200%?? |
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| 21:48:08 | Llorean | He seems to have requested that the task be closed, anyway. |
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| 21:49:40 | amiconn | Nico_P: It's in fact puzzling that my fix would influence behaviour when resuming during initial dircache scan |
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| 21:50:50 | amiconn | The fix changes timing for disk startup from poweroff state only, and when resuming during background scan, the disk didn't spin down at all before |
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| 21:52:41 | Nico_P | then I'm afraid jhMikeS might not be rid of that weird bug :( |
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| 21:53:39 | * | preglow wonders why our forums are called "rockbox _technical_ forums" |
| 21:54:07 | Llorean | Because it seemed the best single word to cover "Support" and "Development"? |
| 21:54:23 | Llorean | There was a discussion on it somewhen |
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| 21:57:27 | preglow | in what way isn't "rockbox forums" adequate? |
| 21:58:10 | Llorean | I'm not even sure if that was suggested. Heh. |
| 21:58:35 | preglow | the fact that support and development are the topics are apparent from the sub forum names |
| 21:58:38 | preglow | oh well, just a minor nitpick :> |
| 21:58:43 | Llorean | They were previously "Rockbox Community Forums" and at the time we were discussing a way of changing it that made it clear it wasn't really for peripheral / social discussion (IE: not an extension of misticriver and the like) |
| 21:59:04 | preglow | any reason why we don't have such a sub forum? |
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| 21:59:53 | Llorean | A social one? |
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| 22:00:17 | Llorean | Well, the primary reason (in my personal book) is that the forum software we're currently using offers no way to, by default, exclude subforums from searches. |
| 22:00:51 | preglow | ah |
| 22:00:55 | preglow | well, that's a valid point |
| 22:01:22 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 22:01:39 | Llorean | That's really the only thing (in my mind) strictly making it a bad idea. |
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| 22:27:18 | fml | Llorean: do you have an opinion about whether we should declare the order of entries in viewers.config a feature? |
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| 22:28:25 | Llorean | I think it makes more sense than incorporating sorting code. |
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| 22:29:08 | Llorean | You don't even have to declare it as a feature. Just sort the file itself alphabetically, and leave it. |
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| 22:30:11 | fml | Llorean: yes. But if we declare it a feature it should be described in the manual and the implementation may not change e.t. to read them backwards |
| 22:31:12 | Llorean | As I said, I don't necessarily think it needs to be declared a feature. I just don't think it makes sense to have the code alphabetically sort the entries, when you can just provide a pre-sorted file. |
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| 22:33:34 | fml | Hmmm... Then I think we should sort them because now the order is ehm.. bizarre |
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| 22:46:17 | * | jhMikeS wonders why it's now "his" bug with the 5.5G :\ |
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| 22:48:21 | preglow | jhMikeS: how did that ata issue vanish, btw? |
| 22:50:34 | jhMikeS | at least part of it was related to using the disk too soon after power on |
| 22:51:41 | jhMikeS | now I wonder if there's an issue with actually chaning things and not unpowering or resetting the drive after changing features |
| 22:53:35 | preglow | i've got to say usin the nano also got tons better around the same time |
| 22:53:38 | preglow | it's highly usable now |
| 22:53:42 | preglow | i wonder if it's for the same reason |
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| 22:56:24 | jhMikeS | mutex can let the core go idle whereas the "hack" cannot (it does busy yielding). amiconn found the core hanging when waiting for an interrupt for more than 5 ticks at a time. |
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| 23:03:21 | amiconn | preglow: My fix shouldn't affect the nano at all, as the nano has no ata poweroff |
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| 23:09:14 | gevaerts | saratoga: I haven't done much on it. The main problem is that I don't have any ideas about what to try |
| 23:09:56 | * | jhMikeS wonders what other change might have crept in around that time |
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| 23:10:00 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I didn't mean to say it was your bug, but I think you're the most qualified to fix it (with amiconn) |
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| 23:11:13 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: consider that maybe I was a bit quick to declare the bug fixed when I tested... there was definitely improvement but maybe not 100% |
| 23:11:28 | preglow | amiconn: i know, which is why something else has to have happened around that time as well |
| 23:11:34 | preglow | it really is another dap completely |
| 23:11:39 | preglow | it was unusable before |
| 23:12:20 | Nico_P | preglow: do you know the approximate revision it changed at? |
| 23:12:22 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: hehe. well, it's really hard with not even the 5.5G I have access to ever having had an issue :\ |
| 23:12:39 | preglow | Nico_P: not in the least, i haven't used the nano for ages, since it was so bloody unusable |
| 23:13:06 | amiconn | preglow: That's asking for a binchop... |
| 23:13:08 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: maybe I should send you LinusN's |
| 23:13:14 | preglow | but i recall it was only unusable whule a) buffering, b) in wps |
| 23:13:30 | preglow | amiconn: indeed, but i'd rather spend what little time i have right now on struggling with the d2 port |
| 23:14:06 | preglow | Nico_P: has linus ever had the use of his ipod himself? :P |
| 23:14:51 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: LinusN's just gets mailed around the planet? I thought amiconn had it. :) |
| 23:15:21 | amiconn | It's the travelling ipod ;) |
| 23:15:47 | gevaerts | It's the only known ipod with a frequent flyer card |
| 23:16:02 | saratoga | gevaerts: did you ever manage to get that signal quality test to work? |
| 23:16:31 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I have it now :) |
| 23:16:36 | * | jhMikeS suggests engraving its various destinations on the case |
| 23:16:41 | Nico_P | it's been a few months |
| 23:16:49 | * | Nico_P had thought of photos |
| 23:17:00 | amiconn | And no, LinusN could not have used this thing at all, at least not with rockbox |
| 23:17:17 | gevaerts | saratoga: No. There seems to be more to it than just enabling the bits. However I'm pretty sure that the problems we have are timing related, not strictly signal quality |
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| 23:17:27 | petur | ha that's right, since amiconn fixed it :) |
| 23:17:30 | amiconn | ..because I used it to get rockbox up & running on G5.5 |
| 23:20:50 | * | petur sees somebody spoiled the big green table |
| 23:21:37 | amiconn | Oh, missing background for m:robe 500 |
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| 23:22:16 | amiconn | Then building just worked by coincidence before, certainly not using proper gfx |
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| 23:24:29 | petur | amiconn: you have an H10 with radio, right? Does 9024 look ok to you? |
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| 23:26:15 | amiconn | petur: MAS3587F always has recording, so that check is redundant |
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| 23:27:12 | petur | amiconn: the change is there to be able to compile without HAVE_RECORDING |
| 23:27:22 | amiconn | eh? |
| 23:27:26 | amiconn | Who would do that? |
| 23:27:55 | petur | the person who reported it ;) |
| 23:28:13 | petur | I just accepted it because it is cleaner to have it like that |
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| 23:34:59 | jhMikeS | preglow: maybe things improved for nano on an unrelated aspect. I really can't see anything done around the time of the ata sleep change that looks relevent right off |
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| 23:36:47 | preglow | jhMikeS: i never really figured out what was wrong either, so |
| 23:36:57 | preglow | i should do a binary search when i have the time |
| 23:37:49 | jhMikeS | I think I found a bug though in ata.c re: when power_off is set |
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| 23:41:29 | jhMikeS | it looks like it might not get set to false when it should. |
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| 23:46:59 | * | jhMikeS was going to make beer-battered cod later ::) |
| 23:47:07 | petur | jhMikeS: are you refering to ata_read_sectors() ? |
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| 23:48:12 | jhMikeS | not sure since I'm not following the logic of "poweroff" too well here |
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| 23:48:49 | amiconn | The logic is a bit weird, but so far it worked.... |
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| 23:50:42 | jhMikeS | I see poweroff being checked for true, the disk powered then poweroff not being set false |
| 23:51:10 | amiconn | That happens later in ata_(read|write)_sectors |
| 23:51:45 | jhMikeS | aye, way down in a spinup check |
| 23:51:52 | petur | spinup is set to true and when that is handled lateron, poweroff is set to false |
| 23:51:58 | * | petur late |
| 23:52:22 | jhMikeS | SYS_USB_CONNECTED fails to set it though |
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| 23:53:33 | amiconn | That's on purpose, I think |
| 23:54:19 | amiconn | Not sure.... probably best to ask LinusN |
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| 23:56:58 | jhMikeS | there are race conditions in there too - checking variables outside the mutex lock that can be changed inside it which could cause the ata thread (and others) to perform actions based on stale data |
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