#rockbox 2008-05-27

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#rockbox log for 2008-05-27

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00:12:45	PaulJam	incompatible model usually means the plugin is for a different target
00:13:46	dionoea	well it was build in the same make command as all my other working plugins
00:13:47	amiconn	Hmm, that actually sounds like a useful extension for disktidy - cleaning up the mess of the respective OF
00:14:06	dionoea	i erased all my .rockbox stuff and build directory files to make sure
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00:14:25	dionoea	amiconn: yup, especially when you use the apple firmware all the time to get decent USB support :)
00:14:38	dionoea	(I'm using that plugin as autostart.rock)
00:14:39	amiconn	I just use emergency disk mode
00:14:45	dionoea	it's slower
00:14:51	amiconn	Not on mini G2
00:14:55	dionoea	ah :)
00:15:48	dionoea	anyway, I was wondering if i'm missing some new required include/macro call/something that might scare rockbox when it tries runing the plugin
00:19:21	amiconn	In fact I use rockbox usb most of the time; edm for charging and only occasionally for data transfer
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00:20:11	amiconn	The drawback is that it only works on the root ports and that there's sometimes a bus reset causing a few seconds delay, but apart from that it's working fine
00:20:34	dionoea	I had some partition corruptions a few days ago using the rockbox usb
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00:32:30	Xqtftqx	guys my gigabeat's hard drive wont show up under My Computer
00:33:01	Xqtftqx	its in usb mode
00:33:43	Xqtftqx	and i can see the firmware partion
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01:21:04	soap	any reason to believe there is line-in on the Sansa dock connector?
01:25:50	Shaid	there's a thread about the dock connector for the e200s on ABI. Doesn't mention line in at all.
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01:32:31	soap	Yea, but I was under the impression most knowledge on the hardware capabilities of the Sansas had trickled into the wild through Rockbox.
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02:21:46	entropy8	hello all, i am using an 80GB ipod video with rockbox Version: r15589-071111 but am having some trouble playing an ogg video file, can someone help?
02:22:28	scorche	first off, you are using a very old version...secondly, rockbox doesnt play "ogg video"
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02:23:21	entropy8	i see, so 2 questions then, how often should i probably update my version of rockbox? and does rockbox only support mpeg 1 and 2 video?
02:24:42	cool_walking_	yes, only MPEG1/2 - see PluginMpegplayer wiki page. Update whenever you want - you can keep an eye on the changes and update for new features you like, or just update monthly, or whatever.
02:25:11	entropy8	thank you cool_walking_ much appreciated
02:25:14	scorche	as often as you feel necessary (pay attention to the MajorChanges wiki page, however when asking for support, make sure you are running the current build....and he answered the second question
02:25:35	entropy8	thanks to you also scorche
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02:31:17	HP_Administrator	Hello
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02:35:26	krazykit	hello
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03:24:03	Llorean	Is "assume no format tag = soundtracker" the right way to solve the soundtracker problem?
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04:24:00	iamabple	in quickscreen, pressing 'UP' doesn't select previous value. Isn't it a bug?
04:24:30	JdGordon\|uni	yep
04:29:15	iamabple	okay, but QS_UP is not yet implemented, so i felt weird that 'Down' and 'Up' does the same thing.
04:38:08	iamabple	and one more thing:in option_select,c, option_select_next_val() seems to call a callback with an old value..
04:38:23	iamabple	doesn't seems to causing a bug, but..
04:39:40	JdGordon\|uni	which callback?
04:40:17	*	JdGordon\|uni needs to check the code... will do that tonight maybe
04:40:50	iamabple	option_callback, when 'apply' is true
04:41:52	Llorean	JdGordon\|uni: Up is supposed to leave the quickscreen.
04:41:57	Llorean	Not select the previous value.
04:42:10	Llorean	Well, it depends on target, at least
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04:46:58	saratoga2	who should i be talking to about questions with how the sim actually works?
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05:31:03	JdGordon\|uni	saratoga2: depends on which part...
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05:41:51	saratoga2	JdGordon\|uni: I'm not really sure what parts of the firmware folder get replaced by the stuff in uisimulator
05:42:00	saratoga2	its not really clear to me how all of this fits together
05:42:52	JdGordon\|uni	the Makefile is probabl;y the best place to start.. that will at least show the obviously non sim files...
05:43:39	Dhraakellian	coming up on 11h30, give or take. Almost done with the second symphony of the second pass through the 10-symphony, 10h05 playlist
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05:56:26	saratoga2	Dhraakellian: thats for what?
05:56:43	Dhraakellian	battery runtime test, q6 Vorbis
05:56:49	JdGordon\|uni	on what?
05:56:54	Dhraakellian	ah, right
05:56:57	Dhraakellian	sansa e200
05:57:10	JdGordon\|uni	should get little over 12 on a e200
05:57:24	JdGordon\|uni	actually.. 13 if your lucky
05:57:34	JdGordon\|uni	goingg by my tests a while ago :p
05:57:47	Dhraakellian	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaRuntime
05:57:55	Dhraakellian	says something a bit longer, iirc
05:58:28	saratoga2	did you get a chance to do the OF?
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05:58:57	JdGordon\|uni	crikey.. 20h!
05:59:03	*	JdGordon\|uni must have done it ages ago
05:59:04	Dhraakellian	an e280 got 15-18h in late January using q8
05:59:19	Dhraakellian	JdGordon\|uni: but that's with FLAC
05:59:30	JdGordon\|uni	true
05:59:32	Dhraakellian	and, iirc, FLAC has the reputation of being extremely fast
05:59:42	Dhraakellian	Vorbis, notsomuch
05:59:45	saratoga2	the slow mp3 decoder on arm hurts battery life quite a bit on flash targets
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06:00:21	Dhraakellian	saratoga2: so you think I'll get shorter runtime when I do the V2 test?
06:00:31	saratoga2	yes
06:00:45	Dhraakellian	hmm... actually, V2 might well be higher bitrate than q6 anyway
06:00:48	saratoga2	something like 2.4ma extra or so to decode V2 verses 200kbps Vorbis
06:00:55	Dhraakellian	in terms of ABR, at least
06:01:05	saratoga2	vorbis is getting close to running unboosted on PP
06:01:11	Dhraakellian	blink
06:01:14	Dhraakellian	unboosted?
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06:01:58	Dhraakellian	should I upgrade to the latest version of the OF for the comparison with the V2?
06:02:22	saratoga2	if you want
06:02:26	saratoga2	i doubt it makes a big difference
06:03:06	saratoga2	i'd actually expect vorbis to give better results then a comparable bitrate mp3 in the retail firmware
06:03:39	Dhraakellian	and it looks like the OF actually has shorter battery life even for the same mp3 settings
06:03:42	Dhraakellian	from the chart
06:03:55	Dhraakellian	I decided to leave replaygain off
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06:04:26	Dhraakellian	and -25dB really isn't well suited to environments with much noise at all
06:04:34	saratoga2	replaygain isn't going to do anything
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06:04:45	Dhraakellian	I wouldn't want to listen to this outside
06:04:59	Dhraakellian	so volume has little to no effect on battery life, then?
06:05:23	JdGordon\|uni	it might have a tiny unmeasurable effect...
06:05:27	Dhraakellian	the only non-default setting I have is that scrobbling was enabled
06:05:35	Dhraakellian	on a flash-based player
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06:05:43	Acamo	hello?
06:05:48	JdGordon\|uni	scrobbling will cause a bit more disk activity, but again, on flash, not much probably
06:05:51	Dhraakellian	good to know about volume, though
06:06:04	saratoga2	i think the DAC uses something like 2 ma when i tested
06:06:12	saratoga2	though i didn't try adjusting the volume
06:06:38	Acamo	can i bug some one on the IRC with a question?
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06:06:46	Dhraakellian	I figured that since the battery bench plugin was writing out to the flash every so often, a little scrobbling wouldn't hurt much more
06:06:57	JdGordon\|uni	Acamo: dont ask to ask... just ask
06:06:57	saratoga2	i guess in theory it can probably use a fair amoutn more, since they claim 2x 40mw amps
06:07:13	Acamo	ok
06:07:26	JdGordon\|uni	Dhraakellian: you modified batt bench to work right?
06:07:37	JdGordon\|uni	its bugged on flash targets
06:07:43	saratoga2	i think thats fixed now
06:08:00	JdGordon\|uni	oh?
06:08:02	Acamo	im trying to use the ipodpatcher to patch the bootloader so i can boot rock box but it keeps telling me that it cannot find the ipod
06:08:08	Dhraakellian	JdGordon\|uni: I didn't actually make any changes, given that there's a suggestion on the bug report that it be closed
06:08:16	JdGordon\|uni	ok then
06:08:19	JdGordon\|uni	Acamo: which ipod?
06:08:27	Acamo	5g black ipod video
06:08:32	Acamo	80g
06:08:44	scorche`	Acamo: are you sure it is not a classic?
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06:08:56	Dhraakellian	"2008-04-11: A task closure has been requested. Reason for request: i think, that my batt_bench_v3 patch solves problem and also improves working under other (hdd based too) devices" −− http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8070
06:09:04	Acamo	prety sure
06:09:35	Acamo	clasic didn't have video play back, and ive been watchign futurama on mine
06:09:51	saratoga2	classic is the new ipod, and yes it supports video
06:10:00	saratoga2	look on apple's website and figure out which one you have
06:10:01	JdGordon\|uni	Dhraakellian: that closrure request is an odd way of saying "commit me.." its not saying the bug is fixed
06:10:13	Acamo	oh well i will try that
06:10:19	Dhraakellian	JdGordon\|uni: ah, okay.
06:10:30	scorche	Acamo: does it looks like this? http://www.sakavan.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/ipod-classic-dimensions.jpg
06:10:44	Dhraakellian	JdGordon\|uni: well, at the worst, I'll have to sit through yet another day of Bruckner symphonies
06:10:53	Dhraakellian	oh. poor. me.
06:10:54	JdGordon\|uni	:)
06:11:06	Acamo	yes it looks exactly liek that,
06:11:24	saratoga2	then i guess you don't have a 5G
06:11:24	scorche	then it is not a 5g...it is a 6g otherwise known as the classic
06:11:38	Acamo	hmm
06:11:51	Dhraakellian	JdGordon\|uni: even if it is still affected by the bug, the battery benchmark will still give the total runtime, will it not?
06:12:05	JdGordon\|uni	not sure...
06:12:07	saratoga2	i wonder if ipodpatcher could be made to say "this is an ipod classic, don't ask for help"
06:12:18	scorche	saratoga2: it would be nice...
06:12:20	JdGordon\|uni	does the newer ipods all have different usb id's?
06:12:39	Acamo	so then there is no hope of me getting rockbox or even ipodlinux onto it
06:12:47	JdGordon\|uni	bingo
06:12:54	JdGordon\|uni	well.. not any time soon
06:12:55	scorche	Acamo: not now, at least
06:13:04	Acamo	that realy blows
06:13:10	Dhraakellian	donate it to a willing developer?
06:13:15	JdGordon\|uni	Acamo: wait a sec though... you on linux?
06:13:22	Acamo	xubuntu
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06:13:41	JdGordon\|uni	Acamo: can you do sudo lsusb and show us the line for the ipod?
06:13:55	Acamo	sudo lsusb
06:13:59	Acamo	ok i will
06:15:44	Acamo	here we go\| Bus 002 Device 015: ID 05ac:1261 Apple Computer,Inc.
06:16:02	JdGordon\|uni	ok, thanks
06:16:09	JdGordon\|uni	thats definatly a classic...
06:16:16	*	JdGordon\|uni found the wiki page he was after
06:16:40	Acamo	are you guys developers?
06:16:43	JdGordon\|uni	anyone else think ipodpatcher should say something like "an apple device has been found, but its not a known device, which means its not supported"
06:17:03	JdGordon\|uni	yes
06:17:14	krazykit	that sounds like a useful message
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06:17:43	Acamo	"abandone hope of installign rockbox now and dont waste the rest of the day trying to fix it" would be a bit more fittign for me
06:17:49	JdGordon\|uni	saratoga2: ha, just saw you suggested the same thing :)
06:17:56	Dhraakellian	heh.
06:18:13	*	Dhraakellian really wouldn't have minded rockbox on teh soufflé
06:18:34	saratoga2	does ipod patcher really check the usbids?
06:18:46	saratoga2	i thought it was based on reading hte file system
06:19:06	Dhraakellian	any devs out there who would want to work on a port to the old 0.5GB iPod Shuffles if only they actually had one?
06:19:30	Dhraakellian	I still haven't quite decided what to do with teh Soufflé, now that I replaced it with the Sansa
06:19:30	JdGordon\|uni	saratoga2: i'm not sure about ipod/sansa patcher, but rbutil does go of usb ids
06:19:37	JdGordon\|uni	patchers could also
06:19:45	krazykit	Dhraakellian, as i recall, the shuffles are based on the sigmatel SOC, which does not have a free compiler
06:19:52	Dhraakellian	ah, okay
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06:20:10	Dhraakellian	hmm
06:20:15	JdGordon\|uni	mind you, shuffles would be an interesting target... 100% voice driven
06:20:15	Igbothom	morn/evening all
06:20:24	Dhraakellian	yeah
06:20:37	Dhraakellian	which is why I really wouldn't have minded having rockbox on the thing
06:20:44	Igbothom	have an issue with a Sansa E260 not wanting to boot back to the original firmware, therefore cannot ad/remove songs
06:20:52	Acamo	so how coudl i help in posibly ading support for the clasic?
06:20:55	Dhraakellian	krazykit: same with the new ones?
06:21:10	JdGordon\|uni	Igbothom: whats the problem? fades to white/black?
06:21:21	JdGordon\|uni	Acamo: break the encryption, reverse engineer the OF
06:21:22	saratoga2	Igbothom: check the wiki page for e200, theres instructions on how to fix a broken retail firmware
06:21:58	krazykit	Dhraakellian, if the new ones are different, i'd guess they're using the samsung SOC like the classics and nanos, but this is just speculation. i'd think the correct information is floating around somewhere
06:22:18	Igbothom	jdgordon\|uni and saratoga2 thanks - looking on the wiki now
06:22:51	Dhraakellian	Doesn't Cowon also make a screenless player? I think I've seen a couple of my friends with little yellow things.
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06:27:45	Acamo	ok
06:28:17	Acamo	i will keep this user name goign to sleep now have work to do
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07:26:53	lobf	hey there
07:27:25	lobf	can anyone tell me why this thing has to catalogue my entire library whenever i select a song on shuffle?
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07:28:02	lobf	like, i want it to shuffle through my library, but if i think of a song i want to hear, i want it to play right then, not after it counts 6700 other songs
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07:29:20	JdGordon	it doesnt...
07:29:50	lobf	what have i done then?
07:30:40	JdGordon	im not sure... youve got the database enabled, but I'm not really sure what your issue is
07:31:45	lobf	perhaps i'll ask the forum
07:31:54	lobf	you have any idea at all?
07:32:56	JdGordon	yeah, your doing it wrong.... if you just want to ad a song to the playlist hold select on the song and go playlist > queue/insert next
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07:33:57	lobf	i was just selecting from my tracks menu
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07:34:37	JdGordon	yes, doing that creates a new playlist and starts playng the track you selected
07:34:45	JdGordon	thats why its scanning the files
07:35:28	lobf	ah
07:35:57	lobf	okay, but because of that you have to choose what you want to listen to beforehand if you don't want big pauses between songs
07:36:02	lobf	or you can do party mode
07:36:06	lobf	right?
07:36:08	BigBambi	no
07:36:16	BigBambi	JdGordon> yeah, your doing it wrong.... if you just want to ad a song to the playlist hold select on the song and go playlist > queue/insert next
07:36:42	lobf	i read that...
07:36:49	BigBambi	so do that then
07:37:11	lobf	do i add my entire library to a playlist?
07:37:19	BigBambi	if you like
07:37:19	JdGordon	no..
07:37:27	lobf	because i want it to play through my whole library until i select a song specifically
07:37:37	lobf	er, shuffle through my library
07:37:42	BigBambi	lobf: whenever you are listening to music you are using a playlist
07:38:08	lobf	do you understand what i'm trying to do?
07:38:35	BigBambi	listen to everything shuffled then go to t apsecific song
07:38:47	lobf	yes
07:38:58	BigBambi	there you go then
07:39:45	lobf	goodness, i was totally reading that wrong
07:39:48	lobf	sorry, i see now
07:40:25	lobf	oh, the battery's on it's last legs, but i'm playing it plugged into the computer and it keeps shutting off from low battery
07:44:10	lobf	even though it's plugged in
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07:56:19	theFATMAN	can i install rockbox on a sony walkman? model# NWZ S16F
07:57:08	JdGordon	no
07:59:12	theFATMAN	JdGordon, in the future?
07:59:33	JdGordon	who knows?
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08:47:13	rph	'ello all
08:47:24	markun	hi
08:48:14	rph	was just prowling for a cool / helpful indie rock community, mind if i chill here for a while and watch whats said?
08:49:15	markun	well, this has nothing to do with indie rock ;) Look at http://www.rockbox.org/
08:50:00	rph	ahh im really sorry, i saw this channel on another site and they aluded to it maybe im just wrong, ty anyway mark
08:50:07	markun	and if you just want to chat a bit please go to #rockbox-community
08:50:14	markun	although it's pretty quiet right now
08:50:16	markun	no problem
08:50:20	rph	take care
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10:07:22	B4gder	we should proceed to get rooms booked for devcon
10:09:30	markun	B4gder: hotel rooms or conference?
10:09:40	B4gder	hotel
10:11:58	B4gder	it seems we're 7 people interested to "band together on a cheap hostel"
10:14:29	markun	last time I stayed in a place called Pegasus Hostel
10:15:42	*	petur nods
10:16:41	B4gder	I submitted a query on citystay.de just now
10:17:16	Llorean	I'm preferring to find a single room for myself, but I'd like to try to book it somewhere where other people are staying (if reasonably possible) since I'm not familiar at all with the city and might find it a little easier this way.
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10:34:14	MTee	isn't there a 'seek' function in the mpeg player ?
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10:34:23	Llorean	Yes.
10:36:50	MTee	has it been implemented recently ? coz I installed rockbox about 5-7 months ago :)
10:37:16	B4gder	5-7months is a loooong time in rockbox land
10:37:55	*	gevaerts can't even remember anything that happened in rockbox that long ago
10:38:31	MTee	:D .. just noticed how long actually it is while writing .. !!
10:38:32	crash91	MTee: You might want to check here to see what the major updates were http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges
10:38:44	B4gder	I believe it was around that time the wheel was invented
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10:39:36	MTee	emm .. maybe I just can't remember exactly when I installed it .. but I remember doing an impressive update
10:40:20	MTee	anyways .. another quick ques .. do you need to know embedded programming to develop rockbox or just C ?
10:40:57	gevaerts	define "embedded programming" :)
10:41:20	cool_walking_	That's a trick question, it has a space in it!
10:41:30	Dhraakellian	2008-02-10: Improved power management on PortalPlayer targets (iPods, Sansas, H10, etc...), resulting in increased battery life.
10:41:57	Dhraakellian	so I'm guessing that means my battery test that I'm running right now will likely be much better than the ones listed on the wiki?
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10:42:57	gevaerts	But seriously, rockbox is over 95% c, and you can basically ignore the rest for most things. The "embedded" bit is basically just being careful to write non-bloated code
10:43:28	MTee	gevaerts, cool_walking : can't answer this ques. :) .. I can however say that I know C .. so do you recommend any further reading/learning ?
10:43:41	Dhraakellian	if such is the case, given that I'm somewhere around 16h25 right now, I think I'd better just go to bed and not try to wait up for it to finish
10:44:27	gevaerts	Dhraakellian: do you mean just listening to the music isn't worth staying awake for ? ;)
10:44:45	yeahx	thats actually what I got up for, but I cant get in the mood
10:44:52	Dhraakellian	gevaerts: it's on the second pass through the playlist
10:45:26	Dhraakellian	granted, I did doze off a bit this afternoon/evening and miss a couple of the symphonies the first time round
10:45:41	Dhraakellian	but still, it's 4:45 here
10:46:29	gevaerts	MTee: the main things are : cooperative threading, (sometimes) slow CPUs, no malloc(), and people shout at you if you waste RAM
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10:47:43	Dhraakellian	I'd like to be in bed (and sleeping) before the sun comes up, and at about 16h30 now, even if I only get 18 hours out of the charge, that still puts me into daylight territory
10:48:18	gevaerts	Ok, good night :)
10:48:29	Dhraakellian	g'night/morning
10:49:10	MTee	gecaerts : I see .. from what you said it's obvious that I still need to know a little bit more to start developing :D .. so is there a book/tutorial or something alike to refer to ? ..
10:50:21	B4gder	MTee: dive in, try to write your own plugin. Then you'll see and learn where you don't understand or know enough.
10:50:34	*	gevaerts agrees with B4gder
10:52:15	MTee	pretty much reasonable .. ok then I will .. just after those darn finals end :S .. I'll go now, exam starts in 2hours! wish me luck :(
10:52:39	gevaerts	I seriously doubt if anyone here learned this "embedded programming" thing from a book or a tutorial
10:52:44	gevaerts	good luck :)
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10:59:16	*	petur didn't even have C at school, just cobol, pascal and crap like that
10:59:52	*	petur quotes Manuel 'I learned it from a book'
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11:10:39	crash91	How do I install SDL (for the sims)?
11:12:05	markun	for which OS?
11:12:45	crash91	Ubuntu
11:13:13	markun	can't you find it in the package manager?
11:14:21	crash91	would this be it? libsdl1.2debian - Simple DirectMedia Layer
11:14:43	markun	yes, sounds like it
11:15:20	crash91	there's also -all, -alsa, -esound and -oss, should I get -all?
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11:16:05	markun	I don't really know, but you could try that.
11:17:18	crash91	It still says i dont have it installed. I'll try checking in synaptic instead of using apt-cahce
11:17:22	crash91	cache&
11:18:10	crash91	Aha, found it in the wiki, you need libsdl-dev
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11:37:54	JdGordon	crash91: apt-get install sdl-dev
11:37:59	JdGordon	libsdl-dev*
11:38:07	JdGordon	crash91: apt-get install libsdl-dev
11:38:25	crash91	JdGordon: Thanks, I did that :)
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12:11:51	Bagder	CityStay.de has an 8 bed room we can get for ~20 euros/person per night
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12:13:55	petur	sounds reasonable
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12:14:38	Bagder	I think so too
12:14:55	petur	that is probably w/o breakfast?
12:15:01	Bagder	yes
12:15:10	Bagder	"We also offer a healthy breakfast with organic bread and milk for 4 euros"
12:15:47	gevaerts	What else ?
12:15:55	*	gevaerts doesn't want _only_ bread and milk
12:15:57	Bagder	it doesn't say
12:16:37	petur	or we can have it together at the devcon place if possible (found that very enjoyable last time)
12:16:45	markun	Bagder: the 8 to 10 bed rooms here are 13 euro: http://www.pegasushostel.de/en/prices.html
12:17:47	Bagder	I wonder how that compares in regard to location/proximity to the devcon place
12:18:35	petur	if DerPapst also stays there we have two cars to transport everybody
12:18:49	Bagder	ah true
12:18:51	JdGordon	$10 for bread and milk!!!
12:19:20	Bagder	but he's not on the list atm
12:19:28	gevaerts	http://maps.google.be/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=Str.+der+Pariser+Kommune+35,+berlin&daddr=Schicklerstr.+5-7,+D-10179+Berlin&sll=50.805935,4.432983&sspn=2.461226,5.767822&ie=UTF8&z=15
12:19:29	Llorean	Anyone know what packages I need to build the manual these days?
12:19:56	petur	wow, that hostel is very close to devcon location
12:20:18	Bagder	2.4km is indeed not a lot
12:20:22	*	petur had just entered the stuff in maps...
12:23:10	gevaerts	http://maps.google.be/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=Str.+der+Pariser+Kommune+35,+berlin&daddr=Schicklerstr.+5-7,+D-10179+Berlin+to:Rosenstra%C3%9Fe+16,10178+Berlin&mra=pi&mrcr=1&sll=52.51627,13.428585&sspn=0.018516,0.045061&ie=UTF8&ll=52.517892,13.421946&spn=0.018515,0.045061&z=15 also has the citistay one
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12:24:37	Bagder	ok, I've mailed pegasus to see if there's room
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12:25:58	markun	it's a hostel, so don't expect a lot of luxury
12:26:16	Bagder	:-)
12:26:20	gevaerts	What ? No room service and minibar with champagne ?
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12:28:42	markun	not like the room petur and I had in sweden :)
12:29:10	markun	although sleeping on a sofa in the office was just as nice :)
12:29:23	petur	hey, we had a pool table in our 'room'
12:30:42	petur	pegasus doesn't mention any rules like at what times you can enter/leave
12:31:36	*	petur takes that back - 24 hours reception :)
12:32:27	petur	impressive: http://www.pegasushostel.de/en/hostel/service.html
12:33:18	petur	'Free internet access' - we can have devcon in the room :)
12:33:39	Bagder	hehe
12:33:53	petur	lunch time....
12:34:02	gevaerts	Do they allow solder work in the rooms ?
12:35:27	Bagder	isn't soldering irons included in the service?
12:36:40	JdGordon_	irons for clothes I tihnk you'll find...
12:36:54	gevaerts	Those aren't hot enough :)
12:38:15	crash91	Just curious, when I run the simulator, it says "Looking for album art for <file> and then "Album art found: cover.bmp", it prints the same message 6 times, but why would it do the check six times?
12:38:57	JdGordon_	different locations and filenames
12:39:07	JdGordon_	the AA wiki page says the order it looks for
12:39:24	crash91	Oh, like cover.80x80.bmp
12:39:30	JdGordon_	yes
12:40:04	crash91	Shouldn't it terminate the loop when it finds the most suitable bitmap?
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12:40:59	crash91	Nvm..that was a stupid question.
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13:10:13	Haos32	Does somebody know where I can find a compiler for ColdFire 5249(it's used in iriver players). I found a link on rockbox.org but it doesn't work :(. Also i didn't find anyting useful with google
13:11:55	Bagder	gcc is fine
13:12:01	markun	Haos32: we have a tool in the rockbox source tree to build such a crosscompiler
13:12:01	Bagder	we use it all the time
13:13:12	petur	'all the time' ?
13:13:24	markun	Haos32: I'll look it up for you, but my browser is not cooperating
13:13:34	*	gevaerts almost never uses gcc while sleeping
13:13:50	Bagder	we being more than one you know
13:14:02	*	petur last ran rockboxdev.sh about a year ago
13:14:18	markun	Haos32: here it is: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/tools/rockboxdev.sh?revision=17636&content-type=text%2Fplain
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13:14:35	Bagder	petur: I spoke of gcc for coldfire
13:15:04	petur	:p
13:16:39	*	gevaerts still isn't convinced. Who exactly is this "we" then ?
13:19:50	JdGordon	is there any reason we dont have an option to turn off the LCD after some time (or have I missed it?) fine on mono targets you can sometimes read the screen without the backlight... but who cares about it updating while its in your pocket?
13:22:47	petur	I think somebody tried this and found the battery time gain to be almost none. Don't know what was disabled then (maybe just the LCD, not the paint code)
13:24:56	markun	according to kkurbjun there was quite a difference on the gigabeat
13:25:11	markun	but maybe it depends on the LCD panel
13:25:11	petur	oh...
13:25:54	petur	must be, unless the codec you use to test needs to boost
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13:37:54	pano	does anyone know a guide guideline to compile rockbox yourself on ubuntu? The one on the rockbox site doesn't help me
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13:39:21	Llorean	The one on the Rockbox site should have enough information. Where are you stuck?
13:39:25	PaulJam	which one did you follow? i found the SimpleGuideToCompiling quite useful.
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13:43:05	markun	pano: still there?
13:43:14	pano	yeah
13:43:35	markun	so, which guide did you look at? The SimpleGuideToCompiling?
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13:43:58	markun	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
13:43:59	pano	one moment please i'll see my bookmarks^^
13:44:02	markun	ok
13:44:13	markun	ah wait, windows only :)
13:45:13	markun	This should be a better place to start: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide
13:45:59	pano	yeah i tried the first one, thats where i have problem
13:46:45	pano	ah ok thanks the second link seems to be what i am looking for^^
13:46:48	pano	thx!
13:48:05	markun	To build the crosscompiler with our tool you first need to download the source, so maybe that page could be rearanged a little bit
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13:49:07	pano	i will try that one later at home
13:49:26	markun	ok, good luck
13:49:28	pano	i hope i will do everything right
13:49:31	pano	^^
13:49:43	markun	Are you planning to work on rockbox or just to apply some patched?
13:49:46	markun	patches
13:50:38	pano	i wanted to compile my own rockbox build with some patches
13:51:04	pano	because most prebuild rockbox build are really bloated with patches i don't really need
13:51:48	pano	would compiling it with less patches speed rockbox up a little?
13:52:01	markun	depends on the patches
13:52:43	pano	i guess i will try it and see the results^^
13:54:54	pano	well anyway thanks for your help
13:55:01	pano	bye
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16:33:31	cheebz	alright guys i got a serious problem here
16:34:12	cheebz	i plugged in my sansa e280 while it was in rockbox like a dumbass and now it says data abort at 0154001C (1)
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16:34:23	cheebz	and will not turn off, or do anything
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16:35:51	advcomp2019	cheebz, have you tried using the reset(hold power up to about 30 seconds)
16:36:01	cheebz	mm not that long
16:36:20	cheebz	trying
16:36:43	cheebz	yep worked
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16:36:48	cheebz	thanks advcomp2019!
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17:14:49	Dhraakellian	dang. battery benchmark is worthless
17:14:50	Dhraakellian	hmm
17:15:29	Dhraakellian	well, I can at least check the .scrobbler.log to get a more general idea
17:17:04	markun	what went wrong with the battery benchmark?
17:17:12	Dhraakellian	so between 18h21 and 18h48
17:17:18	Dhraakellian	flash-based player
17:17:26	markun	which player?
17:17:28	Dhraakellian	no drive spin-up to watch for
17:17:39	Dhraakellian	(if I'm understanding the issue correctly)
17:17:42	Dhraakellian	e260
17:17:49	Dhraakellian	I guess it did need to be patched afterall
17:18:34	markun	I don't really undestand what the problem is, but hopefully people working on the sansa know what's going on
17:18:56	markun	do you know the runtime you can get with the OF?
17:19:16	Dhraakellian	haven't timed it yet
17:19:28	Dhraakellian	now with OF, you have to manually time it, right?
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17:19:52	gevaerts	You could connect it to the line in of a PC and record
17:19:59	markun	:)
17:20:02	Dhraakellian	ah
17:20:08	markun	gevaerts: nice idea
17:20:24	markun	and then just look for the silence at the end
17:20:55	Dhraakellian	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SandiskE200BatteryMeasurements
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17:31:58	toffe82	who is the specialist of the mi4 format, Bagder are you interested ?
17:34:31	markun	Which target is LinusN going to work on? :)
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17:51:03	yorky501	does rockbox reduce the functionality of ipods output port i.e using docking stations or fm transmitters etc?
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17:51:53	markun	I see that ffmpeg now has a git repository which is automatically synced with svn, maybe we could do something like that too?
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17:53:04	LambdaCalculus37	yorky501: Read this... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories
17:53:45	scorche\|sh	first off, it doesnt reduce anything...it is a complete replacement so any "reductions" are a case of something not implemented yet....secondly, some functionalities will work, while others will not...this is due to us outputting through the line out and not having a proper serial or AAP implementation yet
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18:06:49	low_light	toffe82: I'm making progress on the hdd1630
18:07:05	LambdaCalculus37	low_light: How's it looking so far?
18:08:01	low_light	got the BL & mi4 key. If I have time this afternoon, I should have a basic lcd driver
18:08:21	LambdaCalculus37	low_light: Nice! Good luck! :)
18:09:29	toffe82	low_light: I wish my wife and kids let me more time ;)
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18:10:28	luisbg	I wanted to know how much work would be involved in porting rockbox to the ipod classic
18:10:40	toffe82	low_light: I tried to install rockboon the sa9200, I installed the bootloader but after, how do you install the rockbox files ?
18:10:48	toffe82	rockbox ^^
18:12:29	LambdaCalculus37	luisbg: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
18:13:03	low_light	toffe82: make a normal build, rename rockbox.mi4 to FWImage.ebn and install that via recovery mode. It will reboot into Rockbox, and complain about not finding .rockbox. Plug in USB.
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18:13:20	low_light	then copy the .rockbox/ directory
18:13:50	toffe82	in the 16mb partition ?
18:14:29	low_light	No, with rockbox running, you'll get a mass storage device
18:14:51	luisbg	LambdaCalculus37, I was wondering why it was undeveloped... it seams the hardware is very different to the rest (which is ironic)
18:14:56	toffe82	ok, I was building the bootloader
18:15:08	luisbg	I have some education in electronics but very little in assembler
18:15:12	luisbg	I wonder if I could pull it off
18:15:24	LambdaCalculus37	No one's stopping you from trying.
18:15:26	toffe82	I will try again
18:15:33	low_light	toffe82: the bootloader doesn't do much until it figure out how to get it to coexist with the OF for dual boot
18:15:51	toffe82	ok
18:16:56	toffe82	low_light: if nobody want to try the hdd6330 at the devcon, would you like to have it to try ?
18:20:30	low_light	toffe82: I can send you the bootloader I used to dump the 1630. It should work with the 6330 too.
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18:31:28	case_	how can i find which generation of iPod (nano?) the device I have on my desk is ?
18:31:34	toffe82	low_light: yes, I can try
18:32:30	scorche\|sh	case_: google for pictures?...also, apple has a page somewhere
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18:33:21	case_	ha, it's a 1gb, it should be a 1st gen nano...
18:34:03	case_	looks like that : http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353#ipodnano
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18:36:33	case_	ok, seems to be a good target for rockbox then :) i know what i'll do tonight :)
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18:47:46	toffe82	low_light: email me the bootloader ;)
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18:49:16	bluebrother	what was the indication for a sansa v2? "Plays for sure"?
18:49:30	n1s	audible support iirc
18:50:06	LambdaCalculus37	bluebrother: Audible support and a 03.XX.XX firmware.
18:50:30	bluebrother	ok, thanks. I knew about the firmware version but I can't see that from the picture ;-)
18:50:58	LambdaCalculus37	bluebrother: Buying one online? :)
18:51:15	bluebrother	just browsing ebay. Missed a c200 sunday :(
18:52:06	Dhraakellian	I'd just keep an eye on woot.com
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18:53:46	bluebrother	they don't ship to outside the US unfortunately
18:53:58	Dhraakellian	they had an e280 last week and an e260 a little over a month—ah
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18:55:15	Dhraakellian	nevermind me, then... !;)
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19:06:00	bluebrother	domonoky: what's the point in keeping the wave files used for talkfile generation?
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19:08:07	domonoky	hm, i think i just copied all options from the normal voice script.. but its usefull for debugging problems :-)
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19:13:01	bluebrother	well, when fixing the long filename bug I thought about removing it −− for debugging we can still enable it in the source
19:13:24	bluebrother	maybe add a "extended" or "debug-enabled" configuration?
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19:13:38	bluebrother	I don't think it's useful for most users
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19:14:36	domonoky	jup, it could be removed..
19:17:11	bluebrother	domonoky: seen this thread? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17022.0;topicseen
19:19:01	domonoky	i havent seen this thread, but i know the problem.. unfortunatly i dont know whats wrong. All cutoff files i have decode fine with rbspeexdec, they are only cutoff in rockbox (target and sim) ..
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19:40:28	gevaerts	I'd say go for it. We have seven names on the room-sharing list, so that one is almost guaranteed to be full
19:40:50	Bagder	yeah, I'll proceed with the booking later tonight
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19:43:27	scorche\|sh	do they have an internet connection?
19:43:37	Bagder	yes
19:44:10	Bagder	"Free internet access"
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19:56:55	shotofadds	anybody mind if I tweak the RGB colours used by zxbox? the current colours are really nothing like an actual Spectrum, and it's a simple fix
19:57:51	LambdaCalculus37	Sure, go for it. :)
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19:59:35	*	shotofadds is rather impressed by zxbox on the D2. needs some changes for the touchscreen, but performance is good :)
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20:01:30	shotofadds	I'm not sure whether to bother posting a patch for this: in zx_vid_16bpp.c, change N1 to 0xC0 and B0 to 0x00, and {0x15, 0x15, 0x15} to {0,0,0}. Bingo!
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20:01:47	shotofadds	zxvid_16bpp.c, even
20:02:27	shotofadds	btw. these are the colours used by FUSE (free unix spectrum emulator)
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20:06:25	fml	Hello. I use cygwin under WinXP. Is the compiler package for coldfire avalable at http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin up to date?
20:07:36	fml	I once gor a warning that I have 3.4.5 but the recommended version is 3.4.6
20:07:57	scorche\|sh	Bagder: heh...they even seem to have a conference room
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20:10:07	n1s	fml: afaik it should work ok
20:10:32	fml	n1s: it works, yes. I just was confused because of the warning.
20:10:49	*	n1s hopes the gcc bug he found will be fixed before 4.4...
20:11:09	n1s	fml: well, it is not the recommended version
20:12:15	fml	There are two patches: FS #9034 and FS #9043. Combined, they would result in a good thing IMHO
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20:14:00	fml	n1s: why is it available as a part of the official rockbox package then?
20:14:15	n1s	because no one has made a newer package
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20:15:28	Lars_G	I think I know the response to this but I ask anyhow
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20:15:56	Lars_G	does the sansa e200 lack the phisical phone plugedness sensor, or is it a software lack?
20:16:22	fml	Lars_G: I think it it was available rockbox would use it
20:16:34	fml	So I conclude it's just not there
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20:19:12	Lars_G	Thanks
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20:19:23	bertrik	I think the as3514 built into the sansas can actually detect a headphone, but it can only detect plugin, not plugout
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20:43:21	Seldaek	any idea whether the ipod video 60/80gb rockbox version works on the ipod120gb ?
20:43:36	Seldaek	160gb sorry
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20:45:33	scorche\|sh	the front page will tell you
20:46:17	Seldaek	ahr, right, thanks
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20:46:42	Seldaek	any idea when it might be supported?
20:47:09	scorche\|sh	nope
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20:47:29	zeno_	if i brick my phone (cowon d2) trying to flash it, is it possible to fix?
20:47:48	zeno_	s/phone/mp3player :)
20:47:50	scorche\|sh	errrr...how do you use a d2 as a phone?
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20:48:05	shotofadds	I've yet to see anyone successfully brick a D2
20:48:31	shotofadds	but yeah, you can recover from bad flashes using tcctool
20:48:46	zeno_	good, thanks
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20:49:30	*	shotofadds wonders whether to commit that zxbox change and see if anyone notices...
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20:55:18	NET\|\|abuse	hey guys, i have an old creative zen 8GB (microphoto is the model name)
20:55:34	NET\|\|abuse	any chance there's a rock box version for it? i don't see on the current builds page
20:55:39	LambdaCalculus37	Nope.
20:55:52	NET\|\|abuse	oh :( damn
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20:56:00	LambdaCalculus37	No one is working on a port for it.
20:56:20	NET\|\|abuse	no demand?
20:56:31	LambdaCalculus37	No, just no one working on it.
20:56:46	LambdaCalculus37	The only "demand" comes from the owner of a device.
20:56:47	LambdaCalculus37	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
20:56:58	LambdaCalculus37	And that's because it's the owner of the device that does the dirty work.
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20:58:42	NET\|\|abuse	ahh, ok
20:58:47	NET\|\|abuse	just reading that,
20:59:08	NET\|\|abuse	is there a page up about each model at all? As in, is there a way to check if anyone has done any of the work at all before?
20:59:27	LambdaCalculus37	There's this: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus
20:59:58	LambdaCalculus37	But seriously, if you want a port that badly, be prepared to do a lot of hard work to make that port happen.
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21:04:01	NET\|\|abuse	ok, i can see a few zen entries there, but, not sure where to look, ok, i'll spend time researching and see where this one is at, if at all..
21:04:03	NET\|\|abuse	thanks for the pointers
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21:53:03	pixelma	so the Devcon participants who want to stay in a hostel decided on the "Pegasus Hostel"?
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21:55:01	scorche\|sh	i think it was more an executive decision because no one else chose anything
21:57:13	pixelma	that's on the way amiconn has to drive from his home to Devcon place... (probably mine too)
21:57:38	pixelma	not from my home but the place I'll stay in Berlin
21:57:48	scorche\|sh	i take it that this is a good thing?
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21:58:46	pixelma	yeah, guess we can take another 2-3 people with us if necessary (but amiconn has the last word on this - he's the car driver :P )
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22:00:23	scorche\|sh	any pubs nearby the hostel? ;)
22:00:45	pixelma	no idea (yet)
22:01:58	scorche\|sh	i see there is a place inside the hostel, but no clue on how that is
22:03:17	pixelma	I think you'll find at least some along the "Karl-Marx-Allee", the next big street in northern direction
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22:05:09	Poison4	hello, does anyone know if there is an sdk for rockbox to make .rock files?
22:05:45	*	domonoky is fine with this hostel..
22:05:46	Bagder	yes
22:05:49	Bagder	that would be the normal rockbox build tools
22:06:23	domonoky	Poison4: you cant make those .rock files alone, just build the complete rockbox with configure/make ..
22:06:58	Poison4	is there turorials on rockbox.org
22:08:03	domonoky	Poison4: take a look a rockboxs wiki, there are many doc for devs there..
22:08:19	domonoky	s/doc/documents :-)
22:08:26	Bagder	pixelma: yeah, we're going with pegasus
22:08:55	pixelma	the flying horse? ;)
22:09:17	*	shotofadds takes the deafening silence about his zxbox change as a "yeah, commit it" :-)
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22:09:41	linuxstb	shotofadds: I don't think zxbox is the most popular plugin...
22:10:25	shotofadds	linuxstb: really? I'd never have expected that....
22:10:33	pixelma	Bagder: but nice to hear that everything is on its way :)
22:11:16	Bagder	yeps, I'm looking forward to it!
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22:13:09	Poison4	there should really be an avi plugin, so you dont have to convert to .mpg
22:13:18	shotofadds	linuxstb: at least I've got my priorities right. I could be working on something no-one wants, like sound on the d2...
22:13:55	linuxstb	Or a flash driver...
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22:14:15	*	linuxstb wonders how shotofadds will load all his .sna files
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22:14:52	shotofadds	well, preglow's SD driver will be working soon ;)
22:15:18	shotofadds	but seriously, the NAND driver is ok-ish if you know how to handle it...
22:15:21	PaulJam__	Poison4: you'd probably still have to convert the videos to adjust the resolution to the screen
22:16:00	pixelma	and .avi is just a container...
22:16:02	*	shotofadds prefers .tzx anyway
22:16:35	linuxstb	Poison4: What device do you use Rockbox on?
22:16:42	BigBambi	still, feel free to write one...
22:17:29	pixelma	or am I confusing it with something else?
22:17:45	linuxstb	pixelma: No, you're right.
22:17:49	BigBambi	pixelma: if you mean avi, no, it is a container
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22:19:16	n1s	it is probably good that we _don't_ support any .avi files as that makes it very clear that you can't just copy any old video file over and expect it to work
22:20:49	*	shotofadds feels the need to write a 1-line .avi viewer: splash("RTFM!");
22:21:04	PaulJam__	can avi contain an mpeg1/2 srteam? if yes, then supporting .avi might be possible without too much work.
22:23:51	linuxstb	PaulJam__: But followed by many complaints that "my avi file doesn't work"...
22:24:51	Bagder	yeah, I think I'd rather have shotofadds' version
22:26:25	low_light	shotofadds: curious...why is the touchscreen button stuff call touchpad?
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22:27:13	low_light	I ask because the philips players I have (and the m:robe) have what I'd call a touchpad
22:27:42	low_light	^ m:robe 100 that is
22:28:21	Bagder	toffe82: here?
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22:28:47	low_light	I was thinking of making a generic driver for touching, tapping, & sliding events
22:29:24	low_light	Bagder: I have a new mi4 key & bootloader for the philips hdd1630
22:29:33	Bagder	ah, cool
22:29:56	low_light	I'll can email it later
22:30:04	Bagder	please do
22:32:15	Bagder	Llorean: FYI: I'm booking a room at the pegasus hostel for the 7 persons
22:36:19	toffe82	yes
22:36:44	Bagder	I think low_light pretty much answered it with that mi4 info on the philips
22:37:17	Bagder	"it" being what I was gonna ask about
22:37:44	toffe82	Bagder: I still have to do it on the hdd6330
22:37:56	Bagder	ah, I didn't spot the different model number
22:38:34	toffe82	one is microdrive and the other one standard drive
22:38:44	low_light	philips hdd1630 = 6GB mini2g clone
22:39:01	low_light	philips hdd6330 = 30GB ipod video clone
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22:39:10	Munkie	hey
22:39:31	toffe82	Bagder: if I don't make it , would you like to play with it at the devcon ?
22:39:43	Munkie	whats rockbox programmed in?
22:39:59	Bagder	toffe82: sounds like fun, sure
22:40:10	Bagder	Munkie: mostly C
22:40:40	Munkie	ok. where could i get the source code?
22:41:03	Bagder	Munkie: I'd recommend getting it from the svn server
22:41:55	Munkie	i just want to look at a few small apps.. check if i can see whats going on..
22:42:30	toffe82	Bagder: if scorche\|sh is still ok , I will send him the hdd6330 (and also the sa9200, and the hdd1630 if I can fix it) so you will have 3 philips gogear to play with
22:42:38	Bagder	Munkie: get the source archive at build.rockbox.org
22:42:52	Munkie	ty
22:43:05	Bagder	scorche might get a dap overload for his trip...
22:43:51	shotofadds	low_light: If I'd written the code I'd have called it touchscreen, but JdGordon did the original implementation for the m:robe 500.
22:45:18	low_light	ahhh...perhaps it would be best to switch notation...it is a touchSCREEN afterall
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22:46:27	scorche\|sh	Bagder: yeah....i just hope i dont get trapped by customs ;)
22:46:44	toffe82	:)
22:47:21	*	scorche\|sh searches for any such posession fee they will charge if they think you are going to be selling, but coulsnt find any
22:48:25	scorche\|sh	toffe82: so how is the Gigabeat V?...is it working with the S?...what is required to get it so if it is not?
22:48:47	toffe82	I can send you the V too ;)
22:49:25	*	scorche\|sh wonders if he will have any room for clothes
22:49:52	toffe82	the version of windows is the same as the S, but it needs the mod for the updater and also the security
22:50:11	toffe82	if somebody wants to do it
22:50:17	scorche\|sh	what sort of "mod"?
22:51:05	toffe82	the updater for the S works is originally for the v30T, it doesn't work on the v30 (the one available in the US)
22:51:42	scorche\|sh	is the reason known?
22:51:55	toffe82	and also there is to check the security hole
22:52:54	toffe82	I am the only one having a V30, and don't really test it, I only tried one time
22:54:42	toffe82	I have also a T400 if you want but this one is tricky , there is an updater for the T401, but not the t400 and it is a flash base so it is difficult to try something without the OF
22:55:19	scorche\|sh	hrm...so we have not had code run on the V30 yet?
22:55:33	toffe82	no
22:56:26	toffe82	if somebpdy can check what did zunepet on the S and try to see if it is the same on the V, it should be easy
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22:57:59	Poison4	linuxstb:sansa e250
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23:00:04	shotofadds	low_light: In fact the ZVM port uses the word TOUCHPAD in the 'correct' sense. I guess "someone" should fix those 70-odd files... :/
23:01:19	preglow	is there anything more boring than moving? :/
23:01:44	shotofadds	yeah: debugging the d2 nand driver :p
23:01:47	toffe82	so scorche\|sh , you want everything (gigabeat V30, T400, Gogear Sa9200, hdd1630 and hdd6330) ;)
23:02:08	n1s	well, it's nice if you move to a better place :)
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23:02:51	preglow	shotofadds: i definitely think i disagree :>
23:03:30	shotofadds	hehe, is that the sound of you volunteering?
23:03:36	*	preglow runs
23:03:52	preglow	i've had a stint of disassembling, though
23:04:04	preglow	trying to find what the d2 firmware does when init sd
23:04:05	shotofadds	found anything interesting?
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23:04:24	preglow	we'll, i've mapped out a bunch of sd code, but found nothing that seems to do what i want
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23:04:37	preglow	it seems to touch a gpioc pin, but that had no effect when i did so
23:05:11	preglow	i probably won't have any rockbox time for a week or so now either
23:05:57	preglow	btw, have you found where the equivalent of pcf_write is?
23:06:48	preglow	any pcf communcation at all, really
23:07:08	shotofadds	I'm beginning to think about inserting some code into "an appropriate point" in the OF, eg. to jump to a stripped-down bootloader which displays the current PCF registers, GPIO values, etc. Might this be worth persuing?
23:07:28	shotofadds	yeah I have the pcf_write somewhere. what version of the OF are you looking at?
23:08:06	scorche\|sh	toffe82: think i might skip on the T400, but otherwise and as long as devs are willing to have at the others, sure (i might try and find time for the V30)
23:08:52	preglow	shotofadds: would be interesting
23:08:57	preglow	shotofadds: 4.55
23:09:23	toffe82	scorche\|sh: I will prepare them and send them at the end of the week , so you will have them next week, is that ok ?
23:09:47	scorche\|sh	toffe82: sure...whatever works for you
23:10:40	shotofadds	ok, mine is 4.52 but the routine is easy to find. At 0x200000d4 there are 4 BLs in a row. Right after that is a LDR PC, xxxx. Follow that, then...
23:11:47	preglow	shotofadds: give bls in a row here :> but there is a jump sequence after that
23:12:01	toffe82	scorche\|sh: and if somebody want to buy one, no problem ;)
23:12:25	shotofadds	..follow the first BL in that routine. There's a BL at the start, followed by what I believe to be the whole PCF init routine, starting with a test of GPIOB29.
23:12:36	shotofadds	preglow: give/five?
23:12:42	scorche\|sh	toffe82: eh?...i need to try and sell them too? =P
23:12:48	preglow	shotofadds: five, yea
23:12:59	toffe82	:)
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23:13:08	preglow	that ldr seems to jump to sdram init
23:13:37	shotofadds	hmm. wait a minute, let me have a look at 4.55
23:13:38	preglow	first bl in that routine again jumps to a spot that does some gpio stuff, by the looks of the addresses it uses
23:13:42	toffe82	scorche\|sh: just joking but if really somebody wants one, no problem
23:14:01	shotofadds	is it 0xF005A040 bit 29?
23:14:03	scorche\|sh	toffe82: are you referring to devs or regular people?
23:14:29	toffe82	I was thinking devs
23:15:06	preglow	shotofadds: ahh, later in that routine i see some very familiar 8 bit numbers
23:15:16	preglow	fc, e8, f8, those look like voltage settings
23:15:59	shotofadds	are there a lot of MOV R1, #0x10, MOV R0,#7, BL .... ?
23:16:18	shotofadds	those are calls to i2c read/write (just don't ask me what the 7 is for)
23:16:30	preglow	yeah, there are
23:16:38	shotofadds	well you found it :-)
23:16:41	preglow	so the call right after that is i2c read write?
23:16:45	preglow	7 might be pcf chip address?
23:16:51	shotofadds	nope, 0x10 is.
23:17:08	preglow	roit
23:17:19	preglow	so the bl right after that is i2c_write?
23:17:27	scorche\|sh	toffe82: hrm...so you mean to give devs interested in making the port the device, but if they want to pay, let them?
23:17:31	preglow	eh. or _red
23:17:34	preglow	_READ
23:17:54	shotofadds	from the start of that routine.. it checks GPIOC29, then performs a read from PCF reg 2,3,4
23:18:02	shotofadds	(R3 = count)
23:18:17	preglow	riiight, this is the code you've disassembled
23:18:20	preglow	and pastebinned me once
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23:18:34	shotofadds	yeah, you still got that?
23:18:37	preglow	deed
23:18:48	shotofadds	should make a good reference, then :)
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23:19:24	shotofadds	..then reads reg 8, and write the value back to the PCF with bit 1 set. etc.
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23:19:51	preglow	good
23:19:56	preglow	i should be able to find most pcf comms, then
23:20:07	preglow	that should reveal if sd needs some special massaging
23:20:19	shotofadds	yeah, if it's not in this routine it should be easy to find.
23:20:37	preglow	i wonder why they bitbang their pcf i2c, afaik the chip has i2c controllers
23:21:55	shotofadds	it bit-bangs all i2c afaik. as do we.
23:22:18	preglow	well, don't have much a choice, do we :>
23:22:37	shotofadds	I wouldn't know...
23:23:54	scorche\|sh	this tower is going to be massive this year..
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23:25:04	shotofadds	preglow: I'm slightly intrigued why their startup code is structured differently between 4.52 and 4.55. You'd think that stuff would be pretty static.
23:25:51	preglow	indeed
23:27:04	przemhb	amiconn: yesterday you have asked me about sim output regarding AC3 playback messages - I have tried it today - when I try to play one of the files causing problems console output show nothing new
23:27:24	toffe82	scorche\|sh: show them, work on it, and if someone wants to keep it make him pay :)
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23:29:32	jhMikeS	preglow: 0xf0052000,40,80? (just a wild guess ;)
23:30:25	scorche\|sh	toffe82: i have no idea what they are worth, but alright...
23:30:52	toffe82	scorche\|sh: I will let you know
23:31:34	jhMikeS	toffe82: have any more defunct boards around to send more thermistors from? I used the one off the tracing board.
23:32:00	toffe82	jhMikeS: I should have one or two more
23:32:24	toffe82	I will check
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23:35:25	jhMikeS	toffe82: if you don't want to send the whole board just a careful removal: jhmikes.cleansoap.org/TH_locator.jpg">http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/TH_locator.jpg
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23:37:36	toffe82	jhMikeS: did you find the reference of this thermistor ?
23:38:23	pixelma	scorche: read the log yesterday and wanted to add that I also get skipping of tracks (didn't find a thing in common for those yet) again. For me it was 2 tracks at once in a playlist on M5 (running a slightly older version, high 172xx) and once on the c200 (skipping one track, updated on Monday)
23:39:19	jhMikeS	toffe82: no, I did it experimentally so runs on more than one would add some accuracy and hopefully help to cancel component tolerance out
23:39:19	pixelma	interesting in the latter: it was the same track that regularly got skipped during the "skip 3rd song in a playlist" bug, even though it was not 3rd in this playlist but it's still 3rd in that directory/album
23:40:47	k4y	hey, i was wondering if someone could give me some advice
23:41:47	k4y	my iAudio X5 is dying and i'd like to get another HDD portable media device and run rockbox on it, could someone maybe suggest some devices that wouldn't be too hard to get hold of that rockbox currently works on (or are under heavy development and likely to work on in the reasonably near future)?
23:42:13	k4y	when i say "too hard to get hold of" i really mean a device that i could buy retail (ie. not off ebay etc.)
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23:43:15	k4y	i've been looking through the list of supported (and players being developed for) on the wiki but i'm not entirely sure which of these players is a good piece of equipment and which are still being produced
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23:44:37	Bagder	k4y: no player is available new that currently runs rockbox really fine
23:44:48	advcomp2019	k4y, do you know what is wrong with x5?
23:46:19	k4y	advcomp2019: the battery life is just really poor
23:47:00	k4y	Bagder: that's a pity, really
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23:47:19	Bagder	k4y: yes, I think we all agree on that
23:47:43	advcomp2019	you know that you can get replacement battery if you like the x5
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23:49:05	k4y	advcomp2019: the X5 has some minor annoyances, if i could upgrade my experience that would be preferrable
23:49:28	k4y	advcomp2019: also, i live outside of the US, so that might be hard for me to achieve
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23:51:09	k4y	out of the currently supported HDD players (that are reasonably [a year or two at the most] new), which are generally considered to be good players?
23:51:12	jhMikeS	replacement batteries should be available
23:52:34	jhMikeS	CameronSino JNC SSF-M3, 20G (PPCW0401, PPCW0504) 1100mAh
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23:55:04	toffe82	jhMikeS: strange that there is no mention of a thermistor in the part list of the S
23:55:04	Dhraakellian	k4y: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide ?
23:55:35	k4y	Dhraakellian: oh excellent, thanks
23:55:45	jhMikeS	toffe82: it's in the power block diagram
23:56:14	Absnthe	what do I do if my ipod wont show up in ipodpatcher?
23:56:16	toffe82	yes but the part list doesn't show it, only standard resistor
23:57:05	jhMikeS	toffe82: it's obviously there and doesn't behave like a resistor at all :)
23:57:13	pixelma	Absnthe: what Ipod model exactly?
23:57:44	Dhraakellian	I went with a SanDisk Sansa e260 a month or so (off of Woot.com, since I'm happily within the US). It's flash-based, but I plan on getting a microSDHC card within the next month or two, which should double, triple, or even quintuple the storage space, depending on what size I get
23:57:52	Absnthe	I believe it is a 4G.

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