#rockbox 2008-05-28

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#rockbox log for 2008-05-28

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00:02:10	k4y	what is the current generation of iPod? 5?
00:02:53	preglow	you could call it sixth gen
00:03:10	Dhraakellian	The Classic?
00:03:13	preglow	yeah
00:03:19	BigBambi	Absnthe: Are you running with admin rights?
00:03:31	pixelma	Absnthe: you believe? May have a look here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 to make sure. Also, do you get an error message?
00:05:25	Absnthe	Yes I am running with admin, i am sure it is a 4g, and the error is "no ipods found, aborting"
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00:06:22	BigBambi	Absnthe: have you either quite itunes altogether (including services), or ticked the use as disk option (or whatever it is called) within it?
00:06:28	PaulJam__	Absnthe: does the original firmware run fine?
00:06:40	pixelma	and is your Ipod in disk mode?
00:07:38	Absnthe	The original firmware is corrupted (sad ipod) and I am not sure about disk mode.
00:08:01	Absnthe	what keypress is it?
00:08:22	BigBambi	Rockbox needs a working OF to install I believe
00:08:28	PaulJam__	Absnthe: in that case you have to restore the ipod first. the installer requires a working originalfirmware
00:09:34	Absnthe	I cannot restore the ipod because it does not show up as a disk (Windows)
00:10:23	BigBambi	have you tried emergency disk mode?
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00:10:49	Absnthe	what is the key combo for that?
00:10:56	BigBambi	It is in the manual
00:11:07	BigBambi	I don't know off the top of my head, I don't have an ipod
00:11:53	PaulJam__	i thnk it is select + play immediately after reset but i'm not 100% sure
00:12:19	Absnthe	googled it, its select+menu then select+play
00:12:34	scorche\|sh	pixelma: yes...this bug isnt playing nicely =/
00:12:56	scorche\|sh	k4y: just curious, but when you get a new device, what are you planning on doing with the x5?
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00:13:14	Dhraakellian	hmm... so how would I go about patching and building Rockbox with the battery benchmark patch?
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00:13:26	Dhraakellian	well, patching would probably be the easy part
00:13:47	scorche\|sh	Dhraakellian: have you looked at the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page?
00:13:50	Absnthe	nope, cant put it into disk mode
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00:14:31	Dhraakellian	scorche\|sh: thanks... I thought I had seen a page like that, but I didn't remember where it was.
00:14:39	PaulJam__	Absnthe: what happens when you try?
00:14:54	Dhraakellian	"NOTE: This guide is for Windows users only!"
00:14:57	BigBambi	Absnthe: Well, unless you manage to restore it, think you are out of luck
00:15:02	Absnthe	Sad iPod.
00:15:05	scorche\|sh	Dhraakellian: you are a linux user?
00:15:09	Dhraakellian	yes
00:15:16	Absnthe	restore it how?
00:15:20	*	Dhraakellian looks down a little further
00:15:22	scorche\|sh	Absnthe: disk mode will work if done right
00:15:30	Absnthe	Right?
00:15:40	BigBambi	Absnthe: Unless there is a hardware problem, disk mode will work
00:15:46	BigBambi	Absnthe: right = correct
00:15:48	Dhraakellian	so I just ignore the cygwin parts, since I already hae the unix-like environment?
00:15:53	Dhraakellian	have*
00:15:54	scorche\|sh	Dhraakellian: in that case, just run the rockboxdev.sh script which is in svn and then work off the instructions on that page
00:15:58	scorche\|sh	yes
00:16:04	Absnthe	I did it as reccomended on apple.com
00:16:21	scorche\|sh	the rockboxdev.sh script will build the crosscompilers for you
00:16:34	k4y	scorche\|sh: i'm not sure yet
00:16:58	BigBambi	Dhraakellian: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers as well
00:17:00	scorche\|sh	k4y: well, when you do figure it out, keep in mind that there are people in here that are willing to take it off your hands ;)
00:17:01	Dhraakellian	on a semi-related point, (when) is the patch likely to be checked in to svn itself?
00:17:20	PaulJam__	Absnthe: try it a few more times. i think timing is important and that you hold your fingers still while holding the buttons.
00:17:34	k4y	scorche\|sh: heh, well, i guess that depends on whether they want to pay for international shipping on top of it ;)
00:17:36	BigBambi	Dhraakellian: If it is a) for all players allowed by hardware b) written correctly, c) actually a wanted feature, ....
00:17:37	Absnthe	ok ill try again
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00:18:10	k4y	scorche\|sh: is the X5 popular amongst rockboxers? (is that the term?)
00:18:20	BigBambi	k4y: that depends where you live - a majority of devs are european for instance
00:18:32	k4y	BigBambi: i live in South Africa
00:18:36	BigBambi	hehe
00:18:48	BigBambi	I don't know of any from there :)
00:18:50	scorche\|sh	k4y: there are much more popular, but it has its share
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00:18:56	Dhraakellian	BigBambi: a) the bug report says that it should help even the HDD-based players, b) can't speak to that other than what I've read about it, and c) I'd guess that fixing the battery bench plugin for flash-based players would be wanted
00:19:06	k4y	scorche\|sh: what's one of the most popular?
00:19:29	BigBambi	Dhraakellian: It needs checking by a developer with commit access that has the time, knowledge, and inclination
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00:19:31	k4y	BigBambi: interesting though, i just assumed that the developers were mostly American
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00:19:46	Dhraakellian	okay
00:19:51	Absnthe	not working- ill be back in a little
00:19:59	scorche\|sh	k4y: here is a rough guess based on download count: http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/05/15/rockbox-downloads-april-2008/
00:20:06	BigBambi	k4y: nope - Rockbox was started in Sweden, and is no pretty international, but with a EU development slant
00:20:12	BigBambi	s/no/now
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00:36:16	amaldo	I have a Sansa e200v2, and would like to help with the porting effort. Where can I get the datasheet for the AS3525 chip? Is asking AMS the only way?
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00:41:05	dan_a	amaldo: A large amount of the useful information from the datasheet is in the patch in FS #8843 on our tracker
00:41:56	amaldo	dan_a: thanks, will read it.
00:43:24	dan_a	We also need to figure out the original firmware format so that we can safely add our own bootloader
00:44:44	amaldo	yeah, reading from the forums, no one is sure if the player will answer on MSC mode if the firmware bricked it.
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00:46:50	dan_a	I've not managed to brick my Clip yet - it seems that most things which it decides are invalid just don't get saved onto the flash.
00:47:53	amaldo	dan_a: what seems to be the major show stopper now? Some checksums that are not understood?
00:48:41	amaldo	dan_a: that patch has a lot of nice GPL'd source files with registers, important adresses, etc... Really nice.
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00:50:16	dan_a	amaldo: I think that we don't know how to add more than a few bytes of code to the firmware and have the device accept it is one big problem. Another is not knowing how to talk to the I2C... but that should be fairly easy to reverse engineer (I think)
00:51:28	amaldo	dan_a: I'll try to finish reading all the forum posts, and then see if I can put my oscilloscope, or digital probe to some good use. :)
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01:24:48	zeno_	what runs rockbox and supports SDHC cards? im thinking of cowon d2 but i would have to get both sound and touch working (tough!)
01:25:16	JdGordon	the c200/e200's support micro sdhc
01:27:08	kienerii_	how do i know the ipod generation?
01:28:18	PaulJam	kienerii_: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353
01:29:21	zeno_	JdGordon: i need reg sdhc tho, i already own some
01:29:35	zeno_	also e100 had micro i think
01:30:23	gevaerts	zeno_: the d2 doesn't only miss sound, but also flash and sd (although those are being worked on IIUC)
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01:32:06	kienerii_	is the ipod classic supported by rockbox?
01:32:17	PaulJam	kienerii_: no
01:32:51	kienerii_	:(
01:33:24	scorche\|sh	kienerii_: as is said on the front page...
01:33:43	kienerii_	is there anything in development for the classic?
01:33:54	scorche\|sh	not currently
01:34:09	kienerii_	scorche\|sh: i red it but i do not know if the homepage is up to date :D
01:34:21	scorche\|sh	why wouldnt it be?
01:34:44	kienerii_	i dont know :) i thought it'd be better to ask you
01:35:40	scorche\|sh	if the website wasnt up to date, then why would we have it in the first place and not just put a big banner there that says "just ask us"?
01:35:44	*	scorche\|sh shrugs
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01:36:36	JdGordon	maybe we should add something like "this taregt list is autogenerated from the source.. it is 100% up to date.. dont bloody ask in irc about other targets"
01:37:07	PaulJam	wouldn't that be a lie?
01:38:24	dan_a	I think a "last updated on..." bit would help people feel confident that it was up-to-date
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01:39:18	scorche\|sh	i dont...if we had that, then if we dont add targets for a few months we get tons of people coming in IRC and saying "well, it hadnt been updated in 4 months, so it might have not been up to date!"
01:39:31	scorche\|sh	i think that would cause more people to ask and not trust the text
01:39:40	saratoga	maybe change "current status" to "All other devices"
01:39:56	saratoga	so that people realize theres more information linked from the front page
01:40:41	scorche\|sh	wow, thats a big page
01:44:31	dan_a	I guess that ports can be in one of 4 states: Supported, Working but not yet supported, Some Rockbox code runs, and no Rockbox code runs. It might not be clear to people when we say that "Rockbox is not available for the Classic" it means no Rockbox code runs, rather than any of the other options.
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02:03:24	scorche\|sh	people will have issues in the distinction between Supported, Working but not yet supported
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02:14:59	suicide_pills	can someone tell me if RockBox supports 8GB microSD cards for the Sansa?
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02:19:03	jhMikeS	what needs doing to get the beast on the daily builds list already?
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02:26:27	amaldo	dan_a: I think I saw your pictures on flickr, and I wanted to ask: Did you get the JTAG interface working?
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03:09:02	XavierGr	jhMikeS: some people said something about making easier the installation method
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03:16:59	jhMikeS	XavierGr: The ZVM also needs that iiuc being MTP-only?
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04:03:03	saratoga	i think the problem with the beast is that you can't charge it in the OF, and you can't dual boot it (legally) without buying an IDE adapter
04:03:57	saratoga	which means that in practice we'd either have to tell people to improperly distribute software or buy a HD adapter or else they'd get exactly one battery cycle out of it before it was dead
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04:17:55	pathologic	OK, so I have a question.
04:18:57	pathologic	I managed to wrestle Rockbox onto my Gigabeat S. Problem is, I can't figure out how to get my player to charge.
04:19:01	jhMikeS	saratoga: I'm working on the battery problem as we speak anyway :)
04:19:39	jhMikeS	pathologic: the code to have it charge isn't implemented yet so retailos is needed for that
04:20:14	pathologic	Alright, cool. Thanks.
04:21:12	pathologic	Anywhere you can direct me so I can find out how to get that set up?
04:22:03	jhMikeS	the GigabeatS wiki has the info
04:23:13	jhMikeS	though once you have the rockbox bootloader installed, you can place nk.bin on it with UMS (on the small partition)
04:28:56	pathologic	Sweet! Thanks again.
04:32:05	fdinel	amaldo: you still online?
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04:42:33	JdGordon	does anyone know what sort of battery life effect the "power accessory port" setting has?
04:42:50	saratoga	I think it was like 20 or so minutes according to Buschel
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04:43:14	saratoga	but its not agreed on exactly, someone probably needs to measure it with a DMM to confirm
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04:43:45	JdGordon	ok, so not enough to throw my bench's out then
04:44:19	JdGordon	I ran the first with microdirve and that setting as default, the 2nd with a CF and that disabled (thinkin i had disabled it in both tests)
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04:44:30	JdGordon	got an extra 6 hours runtime
04:45:10	saratoga	i really want to see some current measurements for the Nano
04:45:23	saratoga	i still don't understand how apple can get such battery life out of a tiny battery using PP
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07:17:33	webguest06	Hello, I was wondering if there is keymapping support for mpegplayer on sansa e200?
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07:56:54	yoda415	Hi
07:57:03	yoda415	Anyone here?
07:57:27	yoda415	I need help with rockbox on my ipod.
07:58:50	yoda415	Where can you get custom builds for rockbox ipod?
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09:04:42	Minvk	i have a question
09:04:58	Minvk	can rockbox mess up my ipod video in any way
09:05:00	Minvk	like a virus
09:05:03	Minvk	were it just freezes
09:05:13	petur	sure
09:05:24	Minvk	is it likely tho
09:05:37	Minvk	has it happened to u
09:05:38	petur	not so, and it is harmless
09:06:00	petur	even the apple software can crash ;)
09:06:21	Minvk	so u think i should just leave my ipod alone?
09:06:30	petur	why?
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09:06:38	Minvk	because i dont want to mess it up
09:06:44	Minvk	u said rockbox can mess it up
09:06:55	Minvk	and cras my software
09:07:19	petur	mess up is a big word. if it crashes you just reset it and you're done again
09:07:36	petur	it doesn't crash very much, if at all (depends on what you do)
09:07:47	Minvk	ohhh
09:08:03	Minvk	what i mean tho is can it mess it up permanantly
09:08:06	*	GodEater 's ipod video hasn't crashed under rockbox in a very long time
09:08:09	petur	so it is stable enough to use every day ;)
09:08:10	Minvk	like just freeze it forever
09:08:15	GodEater	no, it can't mess it up permanently
09:08:26	Minvk	okay
09:08:29	Minvk	thats tite
09:08:30	cool_walking_	I think the term you're looking for is "bricked". I've never bricked an iPod with Rockbox.
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09:08:39	Minvk	whats bricked?
09:08:50	cool_walking_	as in, it's as useful as a brick.
09:08:51	petur	break it forever
09:08:54	Minvk	oh
09:08:56	Minvk	nice
09:09:01	Minvk	ya thats exactly what i mean
09:09:05	petur	you can't brick an ipod
09:09:19	Minvk	my friend once got a virus on his ipod
09:09:23	Minvk	and it just froze forever
09:09:38	Minvk	it would turn on
09:09:44	Minvk	but it would freeze constantly
09:09:57	Minvk	he would wait untill the battery ran out
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09:10:03	Minvk	and while he was charging it
09:10:07	Minvk	it would freeze
09:10:35	petur	Rockbox is supposed to make your ipod better, not worse
09:10:55	Minvk	im just curious since its a .org website
09:11:06	petur	so?
09:11:16	Minvk	i only trust .com websites
09:11:22	petur	hahahaha
09:11:26	scorche	Minvk: i highly doubt your ipod got a virus
09:11:26	Minvk	or .net
09:11:27	scorche	....
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09:11:30	petur	poor fellow...
09:12:02	Minvk	so u said i can take off the software if i dont like it
09:12:07	Minvk	and make it so its a regular ipod again
09:12:08	petur	yes
09:12:14	scorche	and it is dual-boot by default too
09:12:37	Minvk	meaning its both a moded ipod and a regular ipod if i want?
09:12:52	petur	yes
09:13:03	scorche	meaning that you can boot into either rockbox or the apple firmware upon your choosing
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09:14:40	Minvk	do u know if linux is better
09:15:10	petur	it depends, but that is off-topic here
09:15:13	linuxstb	Better doing what?
09:15:39	Minvk	o snaps a linux person
09:15:39	Minvk	just better at modding ipods
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09:15:45	Minvk	was my question
09:15:50	Minvk	but its irrelevant
09:15:57	Minvk	so ill drop the subject
09:16:00	scorche	that really doesnt make sense...
09:16:06	Minvk	just drop it
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09:16:25	Minvk	i dont realy know wat linux does
09:16:34	Minvk	i just know they have a ipod linux website
09:16:59	cool_walking_	iPodLinux seems to be dying nowadays, I'd stick with Rockbox.
09:17:26	Minvk	prbly more variety
09:17:31	Minvk	on rockbox
09:18:32	B4gder	for some reason, we in #rockbox like rockbox...
09:19:01	Minvk	ya thats weird
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09:21:33	Shaid	I don't, I'm here for the food.
09:21:58	petur	beer?
09:22:06	Minvk	is ipod 5g (video) also for ipod 30 gig
09:22:17	Minvk	on wps section
09:22:24	scorche	petur: shhhhhh...dont wake petur....oh wait...
09:22:45	linuxstb	Minvk: If it's a 30GB 5g (video), then yes...
09:23:14	Minvk	ya mines is a ipod video 30 gigs
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09:25:54	Shaid	the 5g stands for fifth generation, not 5GB, incase you're a little confused, Minvk
09:26:13	Minvk	ok i get it
09:26:15	Minvk	thanks
09:26:22	Minvk	i was a little confused
09:27:31	petur	I thought we changed all those g to gen on the website?
09:27:53	Minvk	to download wps do i have to install the original mod
09:28:03	Minvk	or can i just install a wps only
09:28:25	petur	first install rockbox, then install the wps
09:28:38	Minvk	cool
09:28:40	Minvk	thx
09:28:52	petur	and read the fine manual ;)
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09:45:32	Llorean	petur: I tried to re-explain my whole suggestion regarding charge-only. I don't mind if it doesn't get pick, but I feel rather strongly we should pick a method that works on all targets we already have, and can be consistent for future targets as well.
09:45:58	Llorean	Also, can't some of the archoses charge / be powered by USB?
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09:51:18	linuxstb	Llorean: IIRC the FM recorder/recv2 supports USB charging, and the Ondio can be powered by USB.
09:51:20	scorche	the v2s and the Ondios can...although i am not sure if the Ondios can charge off of it
09:51:45	scorche	....what he said :)
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09:55:39	Llorean	linuxstb: That's what I thought. And neither has a hold switch?
09:55:42	pixelma	no charging on the Ondios, that could be dangerous if you use it with some alkalines in it :)
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09:56:11	pixelma	Llorean: yes, no hold switch on Archoses
09:56:23	pixelma	that run Rockbox ;)
09:57:09	*	linuxstb has a feeling of deja-vu... again...
09:57:12	Llorean	Alright, so the hold switch option for determining USB connect vs USB charge already won't work for about 4 targets.
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09:57:57	*	petur wonders how many targets use hold-REC now for charging
09:58:14	Llorean	I think it's just the H300
09:58:25	Llorean	At least on SWCodec.
09:58:33	petur	no further question ;)
09:58:47	Llorean	It really should be changed temporarily, but i keep hoping this will just be agreed to and done with.
09:59:06	Llorean	The e200 uses Hold Select, and most others use whatever their "Menu" button is (quickscreen) I think
09:59:16	linuxstb	Llorean: The issue of how to select between power/UMS on USB insert has been discussed at length at least a couple of times in IRC, but I keep forgetting the conclusion...
09:59:46	Llorean	linuxstb: There's a flyspray task now.
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10:00:11	Llorean	Personally, I like "a menu option to let the user pick the default (always charge, always connect), and holding any button down does the other thing
10:01:23	Llorean	The other competing option seems to be the use of the hold switch. It's easier (no need for two hands) but it won't be consistent across every target, and it allows for additional confusion by people who accidentally leave it on (in my opinion)
10:01:53	Llorean	I'd settle for a coin flip between to the two if we haven't decided by DevCon. :)
10:02:44	*	petur takes the coin with the two identical sides away from Llorean ;)
10:03:06	*	Llorean doesn't know what you're talking about. ;)
10:04:10	*	petur has to leave this discussion and write some code to keep his job
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10:12:19	Snowman4839	does rockbox let you play videos?
10:12:53	B4gder	yes
10:13:01	Snowman4839	on an ipod nano?
10:13:05	B4gder	yes
10:13:10	Snowman4839	sweet
10:13:13	Snowman4839	what formats?
10:13:48	Llorean	MPEG1/2
10:13:56	Snowman4839	thats it?
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10:14:05	Snowman4839	or thats all you know
10:14:19	Llorean	You have to resize them to fit the screen anyway. Since that's re-encoding, it's not like you don't have to convert anyway
10:14:31	Snowman4839	huh
10:14:39	Llorean	So yeah, there was only focus on getting one format working because it's one that runs pretty fast, and can still look good if you get the settings right.
10:14:57	Snowman4839	cool
10:15:02	Snowman4839	whats a good converter?
10:15:19	Llorean	There's a page on the wiki, PluginMpegPlayer that recommends a few good ones, and gives basic help for using them.
10:15:33	Snowman4839	cool
10:15:35	Snowman4839	thanks guys
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12:27:31	JdGordon	Will anyone get really pissed off if I commit the trig screen patch? it has a bug which is stopping the stop icon updating properly, but the recordings and triggering does actually work... (and it will give a decent delta)
12:27:57	JdGordon	it needs another set of eyes, and preferably someone who actually uses it to figure it out
12:31:02	jhMikeS	no objection if it doesn't do anything to break the no spinup functionality when starting new recordings :) (one of my main defensive positions in that system)
12:31:54	JdGordon	it shouldnt... the patch is 99% gui related...
12:31:56	jhMikeS	but then again why should it affect the display of such a thing?
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12:34:38	Rocko	I have rockbox on ipod again and this time unable to transfer files in amarok in linux it says that device does not support that media what should i do they are ogg and flac files
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12:35:44	Rocko_	?
12:35:54	PaulJam	this isn't really a rockbox problem. why don't you just use copy and paste to transfer the files.
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12:36:16	gevaerts	Try #amarok
12:36:22	Rocko_	how do you do that
12:37:01	*	jhMikeS isn't sure why those bootloader warnings aren't errors instead
12:38:43	Rocko_	how do you do copy and paste to transfer the files?
12:39:59	PaulJam	the same way you would copy any file to an external storage device.
12:40:27	Rocko_	it doesn't matter where you put it?
12:40:40	Rocko_	rockbox will reconize it
12:40:49	PaulJam	yes
12:40:52	Rocko_	ok
12:41:29	Rocko_	why is it that playlists do not come up in rockbox that I make in itunes or amarok?
12:42:33	Rocko_	should I put it in a folder in root called playlists
12:42:40	Rocko_	?
12:42:40	PaulJam	rockbox supports m3u and m3u8 playlists, so i guess amarok and itunes use a different format that rockbox doesn't support
12:43:19	jhMikeS	is the bootloader using function-sections somewhere?
12:45:39	BigBambi	Rocko_: Copy them wherever the hell you want
12:45:53	BigBambi	A directory called music for instance
12:46:51	jhMikeS	indeed, now that makes sense
12:47:46	JdGordon	naughty jhMikeS... yellow :)
12:49:27	*	jhMikeS takes the red out of the yellow to leave green
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12:51:01	jhMikeS	JdGordon: and you couldn't resist making it show twice in a row :)
12:51:30	JdGordon	i didnt even know about it untill i checked to see what my commit was doing :p
12:51:46	JdGordon	about to commit this though, so hurru up unless you want it 3 times :D
12:55:44	JdGordon	boom!
12:55:54	jhMikeS	should be building now
12:56:09	JdGordon	arg, have to wait an extra 5 min now :p
12:56:40	jhMikeS	...just the swing of the pendulum :p
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13:23:10	JdGordon	thats a nice delta :D
13:23:42	B4gder	yay
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13:31:02	gevaerts	http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi indicates otherwise
13:31:04	B4gder	82 builds are contracting you
13:32:05	gevaerts	contracting ?
13:32:26	B4gder	me and my lousy typing
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13:44:18	BdN3504	Hello!
13:45:01	sbeh	http://rafb.net/p/HLoi9H26.html
13:45:35	BdN3504	i am trying to create a wps myself and would like to integrate the volume bar of the cabbiev2 theme. i tried creating the bar myself but the gradient overlay i use looks kinda strange
13:45:43	B4gder	sbeh: tried doing make clean and rerun configure?
13:46:06	sbeh	B4gder: i do rm -rf build
13:46:09	BdN3504	so i want to know if there is a psd file of the cabbie theme free for download
13:46:36	BdN3504	to see how it was created
13:46:45	Rocko_	I have rockbox on ipod again and this time unable to transfer files in amarok in linux it says that device does not support that media what should i do they are ogg and flac files
13:47:08	gevaerts	Rocko_: ask on #amarok. This is not a rockbox problem
13:47:23	BdN3504	ok
13:47:26	BdN3504	ty
13:48:12	PaulJam	BdN3504: have you tried to contact the author of the theme? i think his forum nick is "Zinc Alloy"
13:48:39	BdN3504	no i haven't tried that, good idea... dumb me+
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13:52:54	BigBambi	Rocko_: As you have already been told, copy and paste them
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14:23:16	mcuelenaere	linuxstb_: how far is that ingenic.cn download currently?
14:24:41	linuxstb_	mcuelenaere: About 2.8GB...
14:24:54	mcuelenaere	wow.. and still counting?
14:24:56	linuxstb_	It's downloading the 01linux subdirectory still - which is huge...
14:25:26	linuxstb_	Yes, it's still going.
14:25:33	mcuelenaere	what directory is it currently in ?
14:25:37	mcuelenaere	01linux/..
14:25:44	linuxstb_	06demos
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14:28:17	mcuelenaere	still 600MB-1GB to go just for the 01linux dir..
14:29:23	mcuelenaere	interested in also mirroring ftp://ftp.ingenic.cn/2soc & ftp://ftp.ingenic.cn/4hw/ ? ;)
14:30:08	linuxstb	I'm not sure how much I can mirror, but I don't mind grabbing everything - it doesn't cost anything, and the internet connection I'm using is mostly idle.
14:31:07	mcuelenaere	ah yes, I meant downloading; but I believe /2soc/ and /4hw/ aren't as interesting as /3sw/
14:31:44	mcuelenaere	I already have 2soc (which contains some datasheets) and 4hw are just example hardware designs
14:32:13	linuxstb	OK, I'll grab them anyway. Is there anything else, or just those 3 dirs?
14:32:24	mcuelenaere	no, that's all
14:32:34	mcuelenaere	perhaps there's more, but not for anonymous users I presume
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14:32:49	mcuelenaere	(the dirs start with 2soc and end with 4hw, so there could be a 1xx)
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14:43:19	LinusN	what players use the ingenic?
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14:44:14	mcuelenaere	LinusN: Onda VX747, Ainol V200SE, some other Onda players I presume
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14:44:33	LinusN	never heard of them
14:44:41	mcuelenaere	they are all Chinese PMP's
14:44:46	mcuelenaere	but cheap :)
14:45:52	mcuelenaere	LinusN: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IngenicJz47xx
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14:59:34	sbeh	HEAD ist not buildable, linking fails: http://rafb.net/p/HLoi9H26.html
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15:00:03	JdGordon	make clean
15:00:10	sbeh	i do rm -rf build
15:00:16	JdGordon	or something is wrong with your comp...
15:00:25	JdGordon	82 builds say HEAD is building fine
15:00:26	sbeh	i don't think so
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15:01:01	JdGordon	got any patches or changes?
15:01:04	sbeh	rm -rf build && svn up && mkdir build && cd build && ../tools/configure && PATH="${PATH}:/home/sbeh/source/rockbox/dev/arm-elf/bin" make && make zip
15:01:07	sbeh	is this wrong?
15:02:22	linuxstb	Did you get the source code from SVN?
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15:02:53	sbeh	no, svn up is just for fun
15:03:13	linuxstb	I missed that (obviously...)
15:03:17	sbeh	At revision 17644.
15:03:25	linuxstb	Does "svn status" show anything locally modified?
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15:05:42	k4y	linuxstb: yes, check svn status −−help for a description of the first column's meaning
15:05:45	k4y	oh
15:05:59	k4y	sorry, ignore me, i completely misinterpreted that
15:06:01	linuxstb	;)
15:06:26	sbeh	how does it come? http://rafb.net/p/8VzqjZ15.html
15:06:29	sbeh	i never touched it
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15:06:36	*	gevaerts also decides to give linuxstb some advice :)
15:06:54	n1s	sbeh: do a svn revert -R . in your source root
15:07:03	n1s	(don't forget the .)
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16:38:05	Llorean	What's with the colors on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CodecPerformanceComparison ?
16:38:28	Llorean	The ranges seem somewhat arbitrary, and the color choices seem to make it kinda hard to read without conveying much information.
16:38:42	faemir	Are there any SoC people for rockbox this year then?
16:39:37	n1s	faemir: from the frontpage: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SummerOfCode2008
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16:41:48	faemir	You know, honest to god I didn't see that there.
16:41:51	faemir	thanks :)
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16:43:15	faemir	And nice.
16:43:48	Llorean	Does anyone know if there was discussion of the % ranges used to determine those colors, or if it was unilateral? I'd like to revert it, as I feel they're misleading as they stand now.
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16:58:29	markun	Llorean: I thought the colours might have just been confusing for us colour challenged people :)
16:58:52	Llorean	There's that too.
16:59:32	Llorean	But I feel the ranges are poor. Orange and yellow generally still suggest warnings. But I think a codec that's 300% realtime is probably quite usable
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17:00:04	LambdaCalculus37	Llorean: Agreed.
17:01:06	Llorean	I could understand if the colors were more arbitrary (and all darker / more readable on blue) and represented a 100 point range each, or something
17:01:07	markun	Llorean: just 2 colours for < 100% (red) and >= 100% (green) seam more logical to me
17:01:18	Llorean	< 130% I'd say
17:01:42	markun	well, whichevery is enough for normal playback without stuttering during navigation
17:01:42	Llorean	I believe we usually approximate ~120% realtime as needed for normal playback, considering UI overhead.
17:01:56	LambdaCalculus37	Llorean: That was mentioned here... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecMonkeysAudio
17:02:00	Llorean	Though some tests might be good to find out at what point one can usually also turn on full EQ
17:02:11	Llorean	So we could have red, orange (can't use full DSP) and green.
17:04:38	Llorean	Well, I'll revert it for now.
17:05:48	LambdaCalculus37	Okay.
17:06:15	LambdaCalculus37	Llorean: I think three levels of colors (red, orange, and green) makes much more sense.
17:06:20	n1s	Llorean: i'd expect the full dsp threshold to be around 250-300%
17:06:20	LambdaCalculus37	Very good idea. :)
17:08:05	Llorean	n1s: I'd wonder if it's different on different architectures.
17:08:18	n1s	probably
17:08:30	Llorean	There's also the fact that different targets have different overhead (iPod Video being a notable example)
17:08:42	Llorean	I'm not sure there's any way colors can avoid being misleading without a lot of testing.
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17:09:30	Llorean	Unless they're arbitrary, and just highlight ranges (so don't scale from red to green)
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17:12:53	n1s	! it works :)
17:13:43	LambdaCalculus37	n1s: What works?
17:13:57	n1s	my keybox plugin on the h300
17:14:22	n1s	(coldfire are big endian so it took a bit of poking)
17:16:08	LambdaCalculus37	Cool! :)
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17:16:45	n1s	now to make sure it works on those pesky arms that don't like misaligned access... (I wonder if i can turn that back on on the beast to test)
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18:13:20	Guest55	hello
18:13:41	Guest55	Does anyone know if this is possible on a c250? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8642
18:15:06	Guest55	if so, where can I find the file bootloader.bin?
18:15:39	linuxstb	bootloader.bin is created when you compile your own Rockbox bootloader
18:15:55	Bagder	and yeah, it can probably be done on the c200 series too
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18:16:28	Guest55	that sucks, so there isn't a version available to download?
18:16:48	LambdaCalculus37	Nope. You have to roll your own.
18:16:50	Bagder	the patch tracker is for... patches
18:17:07	Guest55	can that even be done in windows?
18:17:12	linuxstb	Bagder: That patch was accepted though...
18:17:23	Bagder	ah right
18:18:43	linuxstb	Guest55: I think you may also need to compile your own sansapatcher - the released version is probably older than that change... It's not a feature we would consider "supported" though.
18:18:52	Guest55	my wife's c250 freezes on boot after sitting for a long time and requires a hard reset to function again, I was thinking this would fix that problem since it seems to be the sansa of causing it
18:19:26	Guest55	of = firmware ...sorry
18:19:38	linuxstb	We understand "OF" here... ;)
18:19:59	linuxstb	But if you remove the OF, you remove the ability to use the c250 as a usb device...
18:20:42	Guest55	once it is full it won't matter though right? will rockbox still update the new stuff on microsd?
18:23:43	Maco	Hello, i suppose rockbox doesn't support victory devices?
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18:23:50	Guest55	Does anyone know then if I can compile this thing in windows?
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18:24:03	LambdaCalculus37	Maco: Only what's listed on the front page at http://www.rockbox.org
18:24:14	Maco	Bummer :(
18:24:22	Maco	but thanks for your support :0
18:24:25	Maco	*:)
18:24:30	Maco	have a goodday
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18:25:02	LambdaCalculus37	Guest55: Have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile
18:25:17	LambdaCalculus37	Also http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches
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18:31:34	Guest55	ok so even if I don't care to apply the patch I can't just download bootloader.bin somewhere and use it?
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18:39:59	jpt91	Hey.
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18:40:43	jpt91	Does Rockbox have an audio compressor (levels-wise; I already know it has on-the-fly MP3 encoding for recording)? I have some radio shows that are somewhat annoying to listen to due to varying levels (and my headphones are somewhat quiet).
18:40:49	jpt91	If it doesn't, it might be a neat feature to add.
18:43:44	markun	jpt91: it doesn't
18:44:01	markun	should be easy to add, do you want to give it a go?
18:44:02	jpt91	oh.
18:44:18	jpt91	dunno... never coded on rockbox before, and I also haven't done any audio programming before...
18:45:28	markun	do you know C?
18:45:38	markun	this would be the file to add it to: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/dsp.c?view=markup
18:47:25	markun	I can think of a very simple way to do the compression, but maybe it doesn't sound very good.
18:48:22	jpt91	hmm...
18:48:58	jpt91	how about just "watching" the level meters and automatically enforcing a minimum amount of gain (with a bit of a limit so it doesn't try to amplify silence or barely audible sounds)?
18:49:22	markun	yes, autogain would also be possible, but is different from compression, right?
18:49:33	jpt91	yeah.
18:49:48	jpt91	hmm...
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18:50:13	markun	I usually don't like autogain since in slient parts you just hear the noise getting louder and louder until someone talks and it quickly drops again
18:50:29	jpt91	good point.
18:50:51	jpt91	that's why you'd have a minimum level for turning on the autogain.
18:51:00	DerPapst	while speaking of dsp stuff... is there an easy way to implement something like transpose?
18:51:17	markun	DerPapst: what is it?
18:51:18	jpt91	dunno...
18:51:28	markun	jpt91: maybe some useful info in here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_level_compression
18:51:31	jpt91	I know Rockbox does pitch/time shifting (like a tape player)
18:51:50	jpt91	but it doesn't let you just shift the pitch without affecting the speed or vice versa.
18:51:51	DerPapst	markun: similar to what pitch does just without changing the playback speed
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18:52:41	markun	DerPapst: I thought we had a patch for that (well, changing speed without pitch, but basically the same)
18:53:05	markun	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8894
18:53:11	jpt91	rockbox needs a built-in monophonic virtual analog synthesizer that I can play along with songs.
18:53:23	jpt91	as well as a magic way of adding a hardware piano keyboard in software.
18:53:25	jpt91	:-D
18:53:36	DerPapst	yes. i know this patch but i hoped the opposite of it would be easier to implement :)
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19:36:19	bertrik	I just made some commits but they're not showing up on the build page (or on the main page)
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19:39:42	domonoky	jpt91: on some player with a future USB-onthe go stack in rockbox, it would be possible to attach a usb-piano-keyboard.. :-)
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19:48:00	Bagder	bertrik: hm...
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19:50:50	bertrik	No idea if I did something that triggered it. I did a commit relatively quickly after another (2 mins later)
19:51:00	Bagder	no, it was a problem on the server
19:51:10	Bagder	the svn server had some network problems ~2 hours ago
19:51:29	Bagder	and the build master somehow got stuck in an svn operation it did then
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19:54:45	Bagder	the build took off now
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19:57:06	bertrik	Bagder: ok thanks for fixing
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19:59:03	Lear	Hm, now I get no response from rockbox.org...
19:59:57	domonoky	yeah Bagder killed it.. :-)
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20:00:31	Lear	Got some response now.
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20:17:49	amiconn	You should be able to do it yourself...
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20:37:19	lolmaus	Hi
20:37:31	lolmaus	Hey amiconn, hi! ^_^
20:37:47	lolmaus	Is the bug with screen ripple on M3 fixed?
20:39:10	Nico_P	domonoky: are you doing it?
20:39:24	Nico_P	I was about to but twiki told me you were editing the page
20:40:01	domonoky	hm, i dont know how to it, sou can edit away :-)
20:40:07	Nico_P	ok
20:40:17	Nico_P	it's in "more"
20:40:46	Nico_P	done
20:41:09	domonoky	good, thx..
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20:53:58	BobPanesar	hello everyone
20:54:05	bertrik	hi BobPanesar
20:55:00	BobPanesar	Just thought I'd signup pm wiki to make a little contribution to the CFMod Topic.
20:56:26	LambdaCalculus37	Sure. What's your wiki name?
20:56:37	BobPanesar	it's Bobpanesar
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20:56:52	LambdaCalculus37	Adding you now.
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20:57:28	LambdaCalculus37	All done. Welcome to Rockbox!
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20:59:46	BobPanesar	Has anyone here done any CF mods on HDD based players? I've tried the X5, H320, and the 1st gen ipod mini with an A-DATA 32GB CF card.
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21:00:04	LambdaCalculus37	Quite a few people have done CF mods.
21:00:15	LambdaCalculus37	Check out the page; you can see some of the results people have posted.
21:00:59	BobPanesar	Unfortunately there's not one listing there on the X5 and mine wasn't a successful one. The H320 and the ipod mini worked like a charm.
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21:12:00	kugel	Slasheri: hey
21:12:19	kugel	Slasheri: Have you done something since we talked last time?
21:13:57	Slasheri	kugel: hi. nope, it wasn't that simple thing to do. The sorting/filtering api would be great thing for that but i haven't had time to think about it yet
21:14:27	kugel	Slasheri: Another question: It would be nice if rockbox could read TSOP, TSOA and TSOT ID3 tags. They are used to overwrite album, artist and title in sorted lists. E.g if we have The bloodhound gang in artist, and bloodhound gang in TSOA, the list would show the bloodhound gang under b
21:15:08	kugel	They're part of ID3v2.4
21:16:01	kugel	well, reading isn't the hard part I guess, but rather make tagtree to use them if they are there
21:17:46	pixelma	kugel: there's a patch in the tracker which is the start of the work needed to support the sorting tags
21:18:03	kugel	pixelma: really? I searched but I didn't find
21:18:56	kugel	pixelma: Ok, now I found it...
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21:29:40	kugel	There seems to be some difficulties with implementing it in tagtree/tagnavi
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21:37:26	saratoga	are any lds files needed for the uisim?
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21:51:24	saratoga	does firmware/decompressor get built from anywhere but the apps/Makefile ?
21:51:31	saratoga	i'm having trouble figuring out why its trying to build
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21:54:09	amiconn	It will be built for archos if the uncompressed firmware size exceeds the allowed maximum (the archos loader only loads firmwares up to a certain size, and not all archoses can be flashed)
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22:01:32	saratoga	i think i see where the makefile is trying to make it
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22:02:14	saratoga	whats the proper way to check two defines in a makefile in place of an ifndef XXX call?
22:02:28	saratoga	will if defined(A) && defined(B) wokr?
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22:10:04	saratoga	really anyway to do "ifndef X && ifndef Y" would be fine
22:10:08	saratoga	i can't find anything on google
22:10:58	Bagder	#if [expression] is the way
22:11:13	Bagder	like #if !defined(X) && !defined(Y)
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22:11:28	saratoga	isn't # comment?
22:11:52	*	Bagder learns to read
22:12:03	saratoga	ah you mean c
22:12:11	saratoga	yes that works there, i just can't figure out the make syntax
22:12:13	Bagder	sorry, I'm a fool
22:14:44	Bagder	if the defines are set to something you can check for "$a$b" equals ""
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22:20:49	kugel	Media Monkey and Winamp also fail at reading TSOP tag
22:21:02	kugel	either that, or mp3tag fools me
22:21:27	kugel	Is there a way to check if mp3tag wrote correct tags?
22:23:40	saratoga	Bagder: does SIMULATOR get defined to anything ? I thought it was just a flag, not a string?
22:23:49	saratoga	though i don't understand how any of this wokrs
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22:24:59	Bagder	right, that's just defined not set to any content
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22:27:43	saratoga	Bagder: is the win32 sim depreciated?
22:28:06	Bagder	yes
22:28:18	saratoga	then i'll start removing references to it as i go
22:33:00	saratoga	instead of checking if its not a SIMVER build, is there some define thats equivilent to !SIMVER?
22:33:01	*	amiconn thought that all references to the old win32 sim are gone already
22:33:09	saratoga	i've seen a few
22:33:12	saratoga	mostly in makefiles
22:33:38	Bagder	yes, I think I've noticed some too
22:33:46	amiconn	The checks for WIN32 in the sim code does not relate to the old win32 sim, btw
22:33:54	amiconn	s/does/do/
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22:34:21	saratoga	"ifeq ($(SIMVER), win32)" go/nogo?
22:34:58	amiconn	That looks old
22:35:12	Bagder	yeps, leftovers
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22:39:19	BobPanesar	any iaudio X5 CFCard modders here?
22:39:27	saratoga	would this work? http://pastebin.com/m113b0520
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22:40:05	saratoga	err make that "temp > 0"
22:40:22	Bagder	yes, that should work
22:45:33	kugel	Indeed, mp3tag fooled me
22:46:52	PaulJam	BobPanesar: concerning your problem with the x5 and CF card, maybe the bootloader is too old. CF support was added on
22:46:52	PaulJam	2008-03-09 and if your bootloader was built before that date it could be the reason for it to not work.
22:47:34	saratoga	is there someway to make these messages print which file they're refering to ?
22:47:36	saratoga	"make[1]: *** No rule to make target "
22:48:01	kugel	Media Monkey and Winamp still fail!
22:51:10	pixelma	PaulJam, BobPanesar: the latest Iaudio bootloaders (v4) were released March 18th (check http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot#X5_bootloader)
22:52:35	BobPanesar	PaulJam: I compiled the bootloader from build r17428 and the X5 did attempt to read from the CF card. It had failed on multiple tries complaining the the .rockbox folder could not be found. The folder was definetly there as i had RARed it from the 20gb HDD and unarchived it into the CF card.
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22:52:51	Dhraakellian	is there any work in progress on USB file transfer for the sansa e200?
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22:53:19	pixelma	domonoky: you around? And do I remember correctly that you have an m:robe100?
22:53:38	domonoky	pixelma: yes, and yes :-)
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22:56:23	BobPanesar	PaulJam: After bootloader update on the X5 and multiple attemps, a couple did finally launch rockbox, but when exploring the file folders, they appeared to be concatennated with weird characters. All content in the folder were also unreadable. I'm guessing that perhaps the X5 corrupted the data.
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22:58:05	PaulJam_	BobPanesar: i guess i can't help you there.
22:58:33	BobPanesar	the same CF card has since been used on a 1st gen ipod mini and an iriver h320. Both DAPs are functioning properly. I was really hoping that the CF mod would function on the X5. Smaller capacity CFs have worked in the past.
22:59:14	BigBambi	Dhraakellian: yes, it works, but because there is a bug that can potentially corrupt data, it isn't yet ready to be enabled
22:59:25	Dhraakellian	okay
22:59:46	BigBambi	(although IIUC the bug is in the ata driver, not the usb stuff)
22:59:57	Dhraakellian	pondering getting a microSD card and wondering whether I should hold out for a larger-capacity microSDHC
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23:00:10	saratoga	could someone tell me about /bootloader/Makefile?
23:00:13	BobPanesar	at any rate, I'm using the h320 DAP with a 32GB CF card ... works quite well.
23:00:18	saratoga	i'm not sure what all that stuff in there does
23:00:27	saratoga	do i actually need any of that for the sim?
23:00:43	Bagder	saratoga: no
23:01:16	*	BobPanesar concurs with Bagder
23:01:32	Dhraakellian	given that the OF doesn't support SDHC on the e200v1. If Rockbox USB file transfer were expected in the near future, I'd get a 4GB+ microSDHC card and wait it out
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23:02:18	saratoga	JDGordon suggested trying a bootloader build first since it doesn't compile apps
23:02:30	saratoga	but if i have to deal with the crap in the /bootloader/ folder, maybe thats a bad idea
23:02:49	Dhraakellian	(or I could just be sure to get a USB reader for the microSDHC)
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23:03:03	BigBambi	Dhraakellian: there is no telling - as I say, it is functional (and I use it just fine). As for the bug being found that will lead to it being enabled in builds, who knows?
23:03:16	BigBambi	Dhraakellian: And yes, a card reader will do the job nicely
23:03:32	Dhraakellian	how often does the bug occur?
23:03:47	BigBambi	I have never seen it, others have
23:03:53	BigBambi	no way of telling really
23:04:41	Dhraakellian	and is it something that you notice right away when it happens, or can you only tell when you go to play a file and discover that it's corrupted?
23:04:52	BigBambi	depends what gets corrupted :)
23:05:06	Dhraakellian	(where "you" = "people who experience the bug")
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23:05:46	BigBambi	If it just a music file, yeah, when you play it. If it something else, then it may be more serious
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23:06:44	Dhraakellian	how does it show the microSD card? just another device to be mounted?
23:06:49	BigBambi	yep
23:07:27	BigBambi	Dhraakellian: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb
23:08:03	BigBambi	Dhraakellian: Oh, and there are a few problems with signal quality, hubs may not work properly
23:08:49	Dhraakellian	or I could just go in for 2 or 3 of the 2GB microSD cards on today's Woot and just use the OF
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23:10:26	Dhraakellian	store one in the player, store the other in the adapter/case
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23:12:36	bluebrother	Llorean: have you noticed that the forums have two quick-logins at the bottom?
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23:16:35	saratoga	I keep getting a "*** missing separator." error when I try to do any sort of "if [statement]" calls in a makefile
23:16:39	saratoga	what am i doing wrong
23:17:02	kugel	even amarok can't read it :(
23:17:29	domonoky	saratoga: are you aware that the difference betwen spaces and tabs are important in makefiles ? :-)
23:17:30	Bagder	saratoga: shouldn't it be ifeq ?
23:17:36	bluebrother	saratoga: is the breaking code available somewhere? Pastebin?
23:18:00	saratoga	domonky: i'm not using either spaces or tabs, its not a command
23:18:04	saratoga	i'll try ifeq
23:18:34	saratoga	same result
23:18:49	saratoga	still this pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m113b0520
23:19:38	bluebrother	you don't end lines with ; in Makefiles
23:20:07	Bagder	ifeg "$test" "1"
23:20:11	Bagder	ifeq "$test" "1"
23:20:12	Bagder	even
23:20:29	Bagder	ifeq "$(test)" "1"
23:20:35	Bagder	probably too
23:20:43	bluebrother	ifeq ($(test),1)
23:20:48	bluebrother	should work too
23:20:57	Bagder	yes, ifeq supports many syntaxes
23:21:26	bluebrother	but as saratoga tries to if temp > 1 he most likely would want to use ifneq ;-)
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23:22:36	saratoga	yes that works
23:23:04	saratoga	also is there some sim expert around
23:23:08	saratoga	because i could use some advice
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23:24:04	saratoga	also, some way to get make to print the stupid line numbers for its errors
23:24:28	Bagder	make is typically a bit awkward to debug etc
23:25:40	MethoS_	why doesn't rockbox show the album art of my flac files? does the art inside the audio file have to have a specific resolution?
23:25:55	Bagder	saratoga: so what's your problem(s) with the sim?
23:26:26	bluebrother	MethoS_: embedded album art isn't supported.
23:26:31	saratoga	Bagder: i have to grep through the source code to figure out which makefile is erroring out, then fix it, and then run make again
23:26:38	saratoga	times about a million times
23:26:51	saratoga	it'd be nice if there was someone i could ask about the process
23:26:56	saratoga	and whats actually needed
23:27:07	MethoS_	bluebrother: are there plans to implement this feature?
23:27:22	BigBambi	MethoS-: nope
23:27:29	MethoS_	why?
23:27:47	BigBambi	MethoS-: A first step would be to support jpeg decoding in the core, and thus jpeg album art
23:27:55	Bagder	saratoga: well, I wrote most of the sim back in the days and I still have a pretty good idea how it hangs together
23:28:03	BigBambi	MethoS-: One reason is that no-one who wants it has written it
23:28:18	MethoS_	ok ^^
23:28:40	bluebrother	besides it's questionable if it's really wanted ;-)
23:28:50	BigBambi	yes, that too :)
23:29:07	bluebrother	(by devs, not users of course ;-)
23:29:18	BigBambi	naturally :)
23:29:23	saratoga	Bagder: so all the SDL stuff gets compiled and linked into a sim library of some kind right?
23:30:06	Bagder	yes
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23:36:32	GodEater	Bagder, could you email me the build script please ? :)
23:36:58	Bagder	GodEater: the build server one?
23:37:54	GodEater	yep
23:38:06	*	GodEater has finally rescued his server
23:38:10	Bagder	http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/acbuild.txt <= rename to acbuild.pl and set the right +x
23:38:19	GodEater	ta
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23:39:02	saratoga	Bagder: sorry, had to step out for a second
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23:39:25	saratoga	i realize the sim library stuff replaces things mostly in teh target tree
23:39:30	saratoga	but i'm not clear on how
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23:39:40	saratoga	does it simply overload functions defined in the target tree?
23:39:58	saratoga	and then redirect them to the SDL functions in uisimulator/sdl?
23:40:21	Bagder	it simply provides alternative ones instead of the "real" ones yes
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23:41:06	saratoga	off hand do you remember a specific function in both that I could grep for?
23:41:35	saratoga	also, whats the difference between the stuff in the sdl and common folders?
23:41:51	Bagder	there's not really any diff these days
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23:42:02	Bagder	the common used to be shared between all sim types
23:42:10	Bagder	and sdl be sdl-specific
23:42:23	saratoga	oh the old win32 stuff
23:42:31	Bagder	yes, we also had an x11 smi
23:42:32	Bagder	sim
23:42:54	saratoga	so you envision the current sim remaining unchanged by my project?
23:43:10	Bagder	pretty much, yes.
23:43:22	saratoga	how much code duplication is tolerable then?
23:43:37	Bagder	good question, I'm not sure...
23:44:04	saratoga	i was plannning to start with an x86 SDL target which in practice would be nearly identical to the sim, except using the target tree and obviously not mimicking any specific target
23:44:43	Bagder	right, and x86 sdl target will of course be the most similar to the sdl sim
23:45:17	saratoga	i think it would be useful for debugging and also a very useful example file for anyone else who wanted to port the sdl sim to their device
23:45:40	Bagder	yeps
23:46:08	Bagder	well, I think that if code duplication becomes a serious issue, we can make some kind of sdl lib with code to be usde by both the sdl sim and actual sdl targets
23:46:16	saratoga	thats a good point
23:46:37	saratoga	back to the current sim, what parts of rockbox do not get compiled for sim builds?
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23:46:47	saratoga	obviously hardware drivers and /bootloader
23:46:50	saratoga	but what else?
23:46:57	Bagder	it's basically controlled by the SOURCES
23:47:03	saratoga	not entirely
23:47:08	saratoga	makefiles often make their own decisions
23:47:23	Bagder	but not so much about what particular source files to use
23:47:26	saratoga	though SOURCES is easy enough, i get confused easily in makefiles
23:47:41	Bagder	the aim has always been to run as much target code as possible in the sim
23:48:08	saratoga	the sim doesn't run all of swcodec does it?
23:48:29	Bagder	pretty much
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23:51:43	saratoga	does the "appextra=" field in configure control all the folders in apps other then codecs and plugins?
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23:54:32	Bagder	well "control" might not be the right word
23:54:43	Bagder	it is used in lots of those Makefiles, yes
23:54:58	Hillshum	do the forums work right?
23:55:02	saratoga	what happens if i don't set "gui" in that field?
23:55:17	Bagder	saratoga: you'll lose -I to that dir all over when compiling
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23:55:29	Hillshum	they do now
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23:56:30	saratoga	Bagder: will it still compile like that?
23:57:02	Bagder	I bet something won't but most of the codecs etc will
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