#rockbox 2008-05-30

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00:02:59	Lucky_	Hello. My Problem is: rockbox on an iPod Video (30 GB) and after shutting down and restarting after some time the battery is always empty. Any ideas? (r17397-080506)
00:09:35	Llorean	Lucky_: Do you mean, when you turn it on again you get a battery low warning?
00:09:47	Lucky_	it seems to consume (a lot of) energy when turned off
00:11:25	Lucky_	Llorean: no, it just wents off or does not even start
00:12:15	Lucky_	Llorean: if i hear for example with a full loaded iPod a few minutes and turn it off and on the next day the battery is (nearly) empty
00:13:18	PaulJam	how is the overall performance of the battery? how much runtime do you get in rockbox or the apple os?
00:13:59	Lucky_	but if I keep it running or use the default firmware the battery lives a few hours, so the battery itself isn't the problem
00:15:19	Llorean	Lucky_: Have you tried running a benchmark on the battery?
00:15:32	Lucky_	PaulJam: I didn't look at a clock but I think the battery could play about 5 hours or so
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00:15:37	Lucky_	Llorean: no
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00:16:02	Lucky_	Llorean: because I did not suspect the battery itself
00:16:24	Llorean	Very old batteries may trigger Rockbox's "low power" warning on spinups.
00:16:33	Lucky_	but I could
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00:17:12	Lucky_	it's not a warning it is really empty. sometimes it powers off at the bootloader
00:17:45	Lucky_	does it help you if I run an benchmark on the battery?
00:18:02	n1s	Lucky_: there's probably a hard low voltage poweroff function
00:18:30	Llorean	A battery benchmark would give us some clues.
00:18:34	Lucky_	n1s: and that means?
00:18:37	n1s	Lucky_: how many hours do you typically get out of a fully charged battery?
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00:19:11	n1s	Lucky_: if the power controllign chip's low voltage limit is triggered it will cut the battery power, no warning
00:21:22	Lucky_	n1s: I didn't time the hours but I could take the exact time tomorrow
00:21:33	Lucky_	n1s: a few hours
00:22:09	n1s	Lucky_: I'm asking because significantly shorter runtime is a sign of battery decay
00:22:48	n1s	so if you get ~ half of the runtime of a new battery i'd say it might need to be replaced
00:23:12	Lucky_	n1s: the problem isn't a short runtime the problem is that it seems to loose energy during poweroff
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00:24:12	n1s	Lucky_: _both_ shortened runtime and sudden voltage drops are a sign of a worn out battery, if you are experiencing one, it makes sense to look for the other
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00:27:03	Lucky_	n1s: okay I could benchmark the exact time tomorrow and I can try to write a statistic of the energy with the benchmark plugin. I could try a few situations like playing until poweroff; playing, short poweroff, playing; playing, longer powerff, playing and so on. but it will take a few days
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00:46:40	r4v5	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide has a 404 link to "contributing" in the last section.
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00:52:24	votetrevx	hey guys
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00:54:15	votetrevx	anyone know if its possible to play files back at like 1.5x speed
00:54:19	votetrevx	using rockbox
00:54:44	r4v5	click-hold to bring up settings
00:54:45	r4v5	"pitch"
00:54:52	r4v5	it goes up to 200%
00:55:10	r4v5	but it shifts pitch; i don't think there's resampling to just time-stretch though
00:55:15	Llorean	What he means is "hold select to bring up the context menu"
00:55:37	Llorean	Of course, this depends on your player, not every player has it mapped to that, so see your manual for specifics.
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00:58:07	votetrevx	ok
00:58:09	votetrevx	awesome thanks guys
00:58:23	r4v5	thank you Llorean, those were the words i wanted to say but expressed better
00:58:29	votetrevx	i have a 5.5 gen ipod
00:58:44	votetrevx	i dont really mind pitch shift to much
00:58:49	votetrevx	its the information i need to consume at a faster rate
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01:21:57	MU{lappy}	i hope this is developer-channel appropriate. afaict the beast DAC only supports 44.1KHz w/ the current code. 1) am i correct about that? 2) if so, how hard is it expected to be to extend that (ie, how likely is it that i could help change that, as somebody who's mostly-python-but-has-some-C)
01:22:48	Llorean	Rockbox itself only plays back to analog outputs at 44.1 on all the swcodec targets.
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01:26:50	MU{lappy}	heh. sorry if that's documented somewhere. i missed it, i'll just continue resampling everything.
01:27:57	Llorean	Well, it's something that we (generally) want fixed, where output can be anything that the hardware itself supports, but there's no framework for this yet.
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01:31:30	MU{lappy}	it seems like there's the beginnings of one, since there was stub code for changing samplerate in the beast driver, and it just doesn't do anything? the whole solution would be much bigger than just handing output, though, i'd think... :/
01:32:02	Llorean	Well, changing the sample rate of the DAC is just a part of it.
01:32:10	MU{lappy}	i'd imagine there's be some sort of business of setting sample rate/format for the next track, and then have it actually applied at an on-track-change trigger?
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01:33:15	Llorean	Yeah, if I understand correctly. The playback engine is geared right now to all data in the PCM buffer being 16-bit, 44.1khz, and all played data is resampled to this during/after decoding.
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01:36:01	MU{lappy}	are the decoders expected to do that themselves, or do they decode data as it's encoded, and then pass the buffer to some unified resampling handler?
01:36:26	jhMikeS	if not done very carefully, the results will be horrible anyway not to mention samplerate switching during playback can sound outright nasty on some targets so gapless between files of differing samplerates will be impossible and muting between tracks needed
01:38:11	jhMikeS	dsp.c does the resampling btw on the 32-bit output samples
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01:40:44	MU{lappy}	instead of a on-track-change trigger, though, a sort of tagged-buffer setup might work, w/ buffers having a very brief header w/ their output settings, and the output driver doing whatever is necessary when it gets a buffer w/ changed options
01:41:04	MU{lappy}	assuming the data from the next track will always be in a completely different buffer :/
01:42:45	MU{lappy}	and yeah, gapless would pretty much have to break on rate/format transitions. i don't think many albums would cause trouble there?
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01:53:08	kkurbjun	whats up with the attachment on the Wiki webhome page?
01:53:37	kkurbjun	it was added by unknown user and there is no history of it being added that I saw
01:53:38	MU{lappy}	is tools/songdb.pl what i'd want to look at if i want to add db-update-on-transcode to my python transcode script?
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02:08:30	DPi1	Hey, does rockbox aim to do a stable release?
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02:09:13	Llorean	MU{lappy}: I think it's horribly, horribly out of date.
02:09:40	MU{lappy}	look at the C stuff, then?
02:10:03	Llorean	Best bet, yeah
02:10:42	Llorean	The database code should be standalone enough that making a small c app to do it should be reasonable. I think it used to be possible to compile one, but that build is probably broken.
02:10:56	DPi1	is rockbox aiming to have a stable release ever?
02:11:05	MU{lappy}	i can still read C... too much python has pretty much ruined me for writing it :/
02:12:07	Llorean	DPi1: Exactly one person has entered the channel since last time you asked that.
02:14:07	DPi1	well there are 130 people in here
02:14:51	Llorean	My point is that if nobody answers, and the situation doesn't change, there's no point in asking again. Your question doesn't disappear.
02:16:02	Llorean	Anyway, doing a quick google search will give you information about the last attempt Rockbox made for a release, and searching the site for "release" will get you more information.
02:16:19	DPi1	ok
02:16:21	DPi1	thanks
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02:18:00	MU{lappy}	ah, apps/tagcache.* is where i want to look, then. assuming i don't get bogged down in other transcoder details first. thanks.
02:21:37	DPic	Llorean: am i doing research for something you know the answer to? I did a search from the site but it just came up with old email archives talking about a v3 release in 2006
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03:04:58	MU{lappy}	hrm. will rockbox even reread the on-disk db if i modify it from the PC while plugged in?
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03:20:09	JdGordon	whats the wps tag to show/hide the statusbar?
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03:21:12	saratoga	MU{lappy}: no idea, but that'd be pretty trivial to fix if there was a need
03:35:21	MU{lappy}	hrm, since there seems to be some support for a pc database tool, i'd imagine it should? but i was really just seeing if anybody already knew. i'll see if i can find anything definitive in the src
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03:36:57	drf\|away	So, this is the official Rockbox channel, eh?
03:37:15	MU{lappy}	development. there's another one for community.
03:37:28	drf\|away	I just bought a Sansa e280 (original, not a v2) from www.woot.com a few days ago - Computer sees it in MSC mode but the installer can't find it, even in manual select
03:37:31	drf\|away	Oh.
03:37:39	drf\|away	Well I got a few ideas for stuff anyway :P
03:38:15	drf\|away	On the Sansas, (I have a c250 with Rockbox), it would be nice if you could see the current song in the list when pressing enter, rather than it always going to the very beginning of the list (kinda like the existing firmware)
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03:41:30	JdGordon	drfsupercenter: I've never had a problem installing rb on my e200's
03:41:36	drfsupercenter	Hm
03:41:43	drfsupercenter	e280 is still considered a e200, right?
03:41:47	JdGordon	yes
03:41:52	drfsupercenter	OK
03:41:59	drfsupercenter	Well I see "Sansa e280 (M:)"
03:42:14	drfsupercenter	but using the auto-installer it says "no sansas found", even when I selected type e200 and drive M:
03:42:22	drfsupercenter	I'd try it manually but I'm afraid to break something./..
03:42:48	JdGordon	your definatly sure its a v1?
03:42:51	drfsupercenter	Yes
03:42:55	drfsupercenter	firmware is 01.00.something
03:43:17	MU{lappy}	... yah, but what's the hardware version?
03:43:17	r4v5	drfsupercenter: you need to dl and run sansapatcher
03:43:36	drfsupercenter	How do I find the hardware version?
03:43:43	drfsupercenter	and o.o, sansapatcher is for manual, right?
03:43:51	drfsupercenter	I installed it fine on my c250 with the auto-installer
03:43:52	JdGordon	http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/sansapatcher/win32/sansapatcher.exe
03:43:53	r4v5	there's something with current rbutil that wasn't detecting the sansa until after i ran sansapatcher on it.
03:43:58	drfsupercenter	Oh
03:44:00	drfsupercenter	lemme try then'
03:44:05	JdGordon	http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/PP5022.mi4
03:44:06	MU{lappy}	that i don't know, but the v1/v2 thing is about different revisions of the hardware, isn't it?
03:44:14	drfsupercenter	btw, how do videos work on Rockbox?
03:44:21	JdGordon	put them in the same directory then run sansapatcher.exe
03:44:22	drfsupercenter	Is it sideways like normal? (I like that feature, I'm a Zune user)
03:44:23	r4v5	MU{lappy}: yes, but firmware 3.x versus 1.x is how you ID the hardware
03:44:38	MU{lappy}	ah, ok. then he should be good
03:44:40	r4v5	JdGordon: you don't even need the firmware to run sansapatcher, i don't think
03:44:56	*	JdGordon isnt sure what version is compiled in for that build..
03:45:06	r4v5	fair enough
03:45:19	drfsupercenter	and speaking of Sansas, there's no way to force a e250 v2 to load in MSC, right? I tried the thing about turning lock on and holding rewind, but it just showed the lock symbol...
03:46:44	r4v5	i thought there was a mentioning of a way
03:46:55	drfsupercenter	Not for v2 at least
03:47:00	drfsupercenter	I tried what the site said, it didn't work..
03:47:10	drfsupercenter	and I hate having to use my mom's computer to transfer stuff
03:47:18	drfsupercenter	MTP mode is stupid, thank god the e200s have an option o wi
03:47:20	drfsupercenter	*to switch
03:47:46	r4v5	drfsupercenter: update the firmware, maybe
03:48:04	drfsupercenter	update? or downgrade? LOL
03:48:12	drfsupercenter	And heh, now the e280 worked, after I ran sansapatcher
03:48:15	r4v5	whatever. sidegrade
03:48:16	*	drfsupercenter is doing a full install
03:48:22	drfsupercenter	But can you run v1 firmware on a v2?
03:48:27	r4v5	you're moving diagonally across mutually broken firmwares
03:48:30	drfsupercenter	(I really don't care what Sansa firmware, since I use Rockbox LOL)
03:48:35	r4v5	no, they're different machines
03:48:47	r4v5	i'm saying on the v2 devices wikipage, it says "
03:48:51	r4v5	"As of Firmware version 03.01.14A, you can go to Settings/USB Mode and select between three options: "Auto Detect", "MTP" (Media Transport Protocol), and "MSC" (USB Media Storage Class Device aka USB Drive). "
03:49:03	drfsupercenter	Let me see what I have
03:49:16	drfsupercenter	wait I can't ATM, I only have one cable
03:49:20	r4v5	i don't know what you have but there are a bunch of fws floating around if you need to sidegrade
03:49:21	drfsupercenter	(too lazy to open the new one)
03:49:24	drfsupercenter	OK
03:49:29	MU{lappy}	i don't know, mtp being a file-oriented rather than block-oriented protocol has definite advantages
03:49:39	drfsupercenter	Can yo uboot the normal firmware from the player without plugging it in?
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03:49:47	r4v5	yes, hit the power button
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03:49:51	MU{lappy}	but that's probably off-topic in here
03:49:53	drfsupercenter	...
03:49:54	drfsupercenter	That boots Rockbox
03:49:58	drfsupercenter	I didn't see an option to boot it
03:50:04	drfsupercenter	I mean the normal firmware
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03:50:06	r4v5	power + rewind
03:50:11	drfsupercenter	That didn't do anything
03:50:13	drfsupercenter	I'll try it again though
03:50:26	drfsupercenter	it makes a black screen
03:50:26	drfsupercenter	Oh
03:50:27	drfsupercenter	I see
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03:50:28	drfsupercenter	thanks
03:50:28	Kick	(#rockbox drfsupercenter :No flooding!) by logbot_!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0b6290880621a923
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03:50:39	drfsupercenter	>_> so what if I talk fast
03:50:56	r4v5	talk fast, just press return less
03:50:56	drfsupercenter	OK, wtf
03:51:03	drfsupercenter	My firmware is apparently 01.01.05P
03:51:14	r4v5	yes, you have a v1 device with that firmware and rockbox installed
03:51:21	drfsupercenter	That's supposedly less than 03.01.14A... they added that feature rather than removed?
03:51:24	r4v5	you should have a menu option for msc mode
03:51:31	drfsupercenter	It says "v2" on the battery cover... is that an error then?
03:51:37	drfsupercenter	And no, there's no option
03:51:41	saratoga	doesn't matter what teh cover says
03:51:48	saratoga	only the firmware determines what you have
03:51:49	drfsupercenter	LOL
03:51:55	drfsupercenter	Stupid refurbished stuff
03:52:10	drfsupercenter	But point being, there's no selection. It's determined by your Windows Media Runtime.
03:52:14	saratoga	woot or whoever just takes a stack of sansas and puts them together from whatever working parts they have
03:52:19	drfsupercenter	Yeah
03:52:34	drfsupercenter	The c250 was from buy.com
03:52:38	drfsupercenter	it was just refurbished
03:53:09	drfsupercenter	Anyway, though, you're saying just upgrade firmware? How do I tell which one I have, there's like 6
03:53:12	drfsupercenter	All very similarly named
03:53:29	r4v5	hang on, i'll see what i have, which definitely does have the feature
03:53:41	drfsupercenter	http://files.zefie.com/PMP/sansa/c200/v1/firmware/1.01.00/ <−− That list
03:53:48	drfsupercenter	All I see is the firmware and model number
03:54:00	drfsupercenter	not the fancy terminology that site uses
03:54:16	drfsupercenter	hm, would it be P1 since mine has a P in it? That'd be my best guess
03:54:52	r4v5	ohhhh you're talking c200s.
03:55:02	drfsupercenter	Yes
03:55:09	drfsupercenter	the c280 works fine, that has an option
03:55:14	r4v5	i'm not sure about mtp/msc in the c series. i apologize, i must have misread the c-to-e topic switch
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03:55:22	drfsupercenter	Heh
03:55:36	r4v5	when you get a chance, look at the firmware version of the c280, and then install that version on the other?
03:55:41	drfsupercenter	Well if I do indeed have v1 (based on the 01 in the firmware), then that firmware change should work...
03:55:44	drfsupercenter	but which one do I need?
03:55:46	drfsupercenter	brb
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04:02:20	saratoga	JDGordon: in place of scramble, what does the sim run to make a binary?
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04:11:58	JdGordon	saratoga: you need to fix the extratools line in configure... scramble isnt needed
04:12:07	JdGordon	genericbitmaptools should be all thats needed
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04:31:46	goffa	so.....
04:31:54	goffa	rockbox fat32?
04:32:57	drfsupercenter	What does "bidirectional scroll limit" mean?
04:33:07	drfsupercenter	I'm trying to make the scrolling go in one direction only...
04:33:15	JdGordon	set it to 0 then (i tihnk)
04:33:28	JdGordon	its the length a line should be so it goes both ways...
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04:35:32	drfsupercenter	but what's the percent mean
04:35:39	drfsupercenter	like the 100%, is that 100% the width of the screen?
04:36:30	JdGordon	not sure... probably explained in the manual
04:37:12	goffa	got my 100 gb drive and i need to format it
04:37:22	goffa	i've got cfdisk seeing it
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04:53:59	drfsupercenter	Hmm
04:54:07	drfsupercenter	Why do Sansas only support 22kHz for recording? Is that a hardware limitation?
04:54:13	drfsupercenter	(I noticed the recordings suck no matter what firmware you use)
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04:55:39	Shaid	I believe it's a hardware limitation
04:55:49	drfsupercenter	That sucks
04:56:05	drfsupercenter	My old RCA thumb-drive style player had awesome 44.1kHz recordings
04:56:13	drfsupercenter	it's just only 1GB and recording as PCM WAV on a Sansa would be cook
04:56:14	drfsupercenter	*cool
04:56:50	drfsupercenter	Hmm
04:56:55	drfsupercenter	Videos aren't showing up in Rockbox
04:56:59	drfsupercenter	does it not support videos yet or something?
04:57:27	Shaid	look up mpegplayer in the wiki
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04:58:05	drfsupercenter	mpeg?
04:58:07	drfsupercenter	so no mjpeg?
04:58:15	drfsupercenter	(though that's fine, mjpeg and Sansa Media Converter suck)
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05:00:25	scorche\|sh	no
05:00:36	drfsupercenter	Hm
05:00:37	advcomp2019	drfsupercenter, could you please stop using the enter so much too
05:00:49	scorche\|sh	the wiki page you are looking for is PluginMpegplyer
05:00:54	drfsupercenter	I can't find a download link... only a patch or something
05:00:56	drfsupercenter	OK
05:01:08	drfsupercenter	advcomp2019, sorry, I've been using IRC for 5 years and always talk like that... I'll try though
05:01:11	scorche\|sh	what do you want to download?
05:01:48	goffa	well.. i hope its fat32... copying files to it now
05:01:51	drfsupercenter	the thing that lets me plays videos
05:01:53	drfsupercenter	-s
05:01:58	scorche\|sh	it comes with Rockbox like the rest of the plugins
05:02:14	scorche\|sh	really...read that wiki page
05:02:20	goffa	should have an f100 if i can get the case closed
05:03:13	drfsupercenter	What wiki page?
05:03:21	drfsupercenter	I just went to rockbox.org and searched for mpegplayer...
05:03:29	soap	search the manual.
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05:04:23	scorche\|sh	drfsupercenter: hitthe wiki button...then paste the name of the page that i said in the box at the top...hit enter
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05:06:01	drfsupercenter	OK
05:08:48	drfsupercenter	Oh, so I just have to have mpeg?
05:08:53	drfsupercenter	Does it matter if it's mpg1, mpg2, etc?
05:09:08	scorche\|sh	did you read the page?...it answers that
05:09:09	drfsupercenter	oh duh it says
05:09:12	drfsupercenter	Yeah, I skimmed LOL
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05:11:24	drfsupercenter	Anyone know the resolution for the e200s? I need to know what to encode my videos as. (And do I make them sideways like Sansa does or does the player automatically rotate?)
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06:06:29	goffa	hmm.. struggling here... got a gigabeat that won't boot.. not sure what i'm doing wrong
06:06:38	goffa	i can get linux to mount it as vfat
06:06:45	goffa	seems to have the gbsystem dir intact
06:09:06	saratoga	if you can mount it i'd just reinstall rockbox
06:09:09	saratoga	and hope that fixes it
06:09:19	goffa	well that's the problem
06:09:26	goffa	can't get it to boot into rockbox
06:09:51	goffa	get a system error 000000020 or something like that
06:10:46	goffa	i dunno if i needed to format it in windows
06:12:49	saratoga	did you install the rockbox bootloader and all that
06:13:05	goffa	yeah
06:13:25	goffa	that's the gbsystem right?
06:14:44	saratoga	i think its fwing or something like that
06:15:02	goffa	yeah
06:15:47	saratoga	maybe check the wiki and google to find out what that error means and go from there
06:16:08	goffa	yeah working on that too
06:17:53	Llorean	Did you turn off the battery and back on after installing the bootloader?
06:18:00	Llorean	Using the tiny switch.
06:18:02	goffa	yep
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06:21:54	goffa	i'm wondering if it can recognize fat32 formatted from linux
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06:47:39	MU{lappy}	if you're building your own kernel, or such, you might have to make sure you didn't leave vfat support out
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11:32:44	lolmaus	amiconn, are you here? ^_^
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12:28:09	lolmaus	Why is there no manual for Cowon M3? :( Am i a complete loser?
12:29:14	lolmaus	I would like to look through the history of changes. Is there one?
12:30:30	linuxstb	For a history of changes, see the small links under the "Subversion" table on the homepage of the website.
12:31:04	linuxstb	Or for major changes only (updated manually) - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges
12:33:23	B4gder	and I'm sure you can join in and help us get the things done to make the M3 manual complete
12:34:27	pixelma	lolmaus: there's no manual for the M3 yet because it is problematic and will probably take a long time to adapt the current style (of button tables mostly) to the M3 remote and main player input - the remotes haven't been considered in the other manuals yet
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12:35:05	lolmaus	Oh
12:35:16	lolmaus	linuxstb, thx
12:35:33	lolmaus	pixelma, so much trouble with the fact that some buttons are on the remote?
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12:39:24	pixelma	we will probably need another column for the remote buttons or something (in places where both is possible) and somehow, somewhere need to explain the remote and its buttons etc. I don't even know whether there is a "plan" or list of things that need to be done for it
12:41:07	pixelma	but it's important for the M3...
12:43:49	BigBambi	lolmaus: The manual is written in latex with a lot of macros to automatically adjust things for the capabilities/layouts of different players etc. Those all need to be adjusted etc. for the M3
12:44:34	BigBambi	lolmaus: It isn't just a case of writing it - that would be easier the first time but keeping all the manuals up-to-date if they were independent would be even more difficult than it is now
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12:52:41	lolmaus	Is amiconn the one who codes the M3 part?
12:52:52	lolmaus	I've talked to him when i first tried Rockbox
12:53:10	lolmaus	I failed to use it 'cause there was a screen ripple bug
12:53:24	lolmaus	amiconn said he was going to fix that next
12:53:30	lolmaus	I wonder if he had
12:54:21	pixelma	http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17621
12:58:34	lolmaus	pixelma, and it's already in the latest build?
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12:58:48	desowin	if it's commited, then yes
12:59:12	desowin	because there're automated builds on commits, which doesn't take long, thanks to build farm
12:59:13	lolmaus	How to find out whether it is? :)
12:59:46	pixelma	latest available build is r17660 - the fix was in r17621 (r = revision)
12:59:49	desowin	you go into current build page, and check the rNUMBER here under your target
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13:00:12	desowin	if it's higher than commit you want (in this case 17621), then yes, it's included
13:00:23	pixelma	and viewvc (what I linked) only knows about things that changed in svn...
13:00:34	desowin	(unless it wasn't later reverted, but that's unlikely to happen)
13:00:58	desowin	or should I say "was" instead of "wasn't"?
13:01:55	lolmaus	Great, thank you ^_^
13:02:34	lolmaus	desowin, you should say either "unless it was" or "if it wasn't" i think :)
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13:06:55	lolmaus	Sorry for a lame question, i've failed to find any guidelines how to set up the TSS Engine and the LAME Encoder.
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13:09:36	pixelma	you mean TTS for the voice UI? And do you just want voice to speak menu items etc. or also talk clips for your files? Also, the lame encoder won't help you for voice on an M3
13:10:42	lolmaus	I dunno. There's a "TSS and Encoder" tab in the Rockbox utility and i don't know how to set it up.
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13:12:14	lolmaus	It says "Configuration INVALID (=)"
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13:14:40	pixelma	lolmaus: what OS are you on?
13:14:55	lolmaus	pixelma, XP SP3
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13:19:03	pixelma	and do you have any tts engines installed on your computer? Just tried with rbutil 1.0.5 and my M5 and here's what I had to do (also XP SP3 and SAPI tts engine installed) to get a valid configuration at least: press "change" and in the next window chose "SAPI TTS engine" from the engine dropdown list and "Rockbox speex encoder" from the encoder one.
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13:21:44	pixelma	if you just want to try how voice works in the menus you could simply download the voice file from rockbox.org ("Daily builds and Voices" from the current build page)
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13:25:26	pixelma	or chose "Install voice file" in rbutil, I think it'll just download the file too
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13:35:30	lolmaus	Why does M3 manual has to have a separate table for remote buttons? All remote buttons clone the ones on the body.
13:38:33	amiconn	wrong
13:39:20	lolmaus	amiconn, hi! ^_^
13:39:32	lolmaus	I've just installed the latest build into my M3
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13:39:52	lolmaus	I've still got some screen ripple. A little. Mostly when reading from the HDD.
13:40:17	lolmaus	Ooooh and i've also catched the blank screen. :(
13:40:29	lolmaus	Dam' :(
13:41:10	lolmaus	amiconn, the blank screen bug means that i still can't use Rockbox. :(
13:43:35	lolmaus	I've got screen ripple while playing and then the screen goes blank. The device continues to work, everything fine, the backlight is okay, but the screen is blank. :(
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13:54:25	lolmaus	amiconn, so i'm just a loser with no chance to have a rockbox on my M3?
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14:06:48	TaylorKillian	I just want to confirm that fwimg02.dat is the bootloader and rockbox.gigabeat is the kernel
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14:07:24	TaylorKillian	I've been trying to launch rockbox on qemu with little success
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14:09:05	linuxstb	TaylorKillian: FWIMG01.DAT is the bootloader
14:12:39	TaylorKillian	what does fwimg02.dat do? I know that is what rockbox replaces
14:13:31	TaylorKillian	jjust looked it up, i see i'm mistaken
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14:14:41	linuxstb	I'm not an expert on the gigabeat, but there is an initial bootloader in flash ROM, which I assume then loads fwimg01.dat, which (when Rockbox is installed), loads the rockbox.gigabeat file.
14:15:19	TaylorKillian	alright, thats what i was thinking, thanks
14:16:17	TaylorKillian	i have gotten qemu to load rockbox.elf and not crash, but thats about all i can get out of it
14:17:06	TaylorKillian	not even the bootloader will continue without crashing
14:17:11	linuxstb	How much of the gigabeat's hardware is emulated? I assume you've at least mapped some RAM?
14:18:46	TaylorKillian	I'm not all that sure. I know the cpu should work well enough, and it isn't complaining about the memory
14:19:10	TaylorKillian	i have looked at the rockbox.map file, but I'm not quite sure how to apply that
14:20:47	linuxstb	The linker files are probably easier to understand - see firmware/target/arm/s3c2440/app.lds
14:21:21	TaylorKillian	alright, I'll take a look at those, thanks
14:23:48	TaylorKillian	do you know if rockbox is based off any other distrobution? linux for example. or is it build from the ground up?
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14:25:32	linuxstb	From the ground up.
14:25:33	domonoky	TaylorKillian: rockbox is not based on linux, its built from scratch..
14:26:58	TaylorKillian	alright
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14:58:38	pixelma	oops ;)
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16:31:38	PaulJam	petur: i was just wondering, do you still work on the h300 bootloader problems? I'm getting more and more tempted to try an unofficial one with RTC wakeup but i would really prefer to use an official one.
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16:33:04	petur	PaulJam: I'd like too :/ I think the bootloader on the CFMod wiki page contains the RTC alarm
16:34:31	kugel	nevermind! Sometimes I hate linux being case sensitiv
16:35:31	PaulJam	ok, thanks for the information
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17:59:52	lolmaus	amiconn, do you mean that you're not going to further try solving the ripple/blank screen bug on M3? :(
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18:29:02	pixelma	hmm... maybe someone knows here: if I just use %pb - does that take the dimensions of the viewport it's in into account or still the full screen size?
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18:33:05	crash91	pixelma: Its most probably the viewport, any tag with coordinates specified after a viewport is called is relative to that viewport, so this should be true for %pb as well.
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18:36:08	pixelma	I know this applies to bitmaps but not sure about the %pb (and it doesn't seem to be this way, though I'm currently testing a patch and can't tell for sure). I could test but hoped that someone who knows the code could just tell me :)
18:37:10	crash91	pixelma: Well, its true for %C so im guessing %pb as well, ill test it if you give me a min
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18:42:49	linuxstb	pixelma: It _should_ be relative to the viewport, and I'm pretty sure it is. If not, then it's a bug (IMO).
18:43:15	pixelma	positioning seems to be alright but not sure about the length
18:43:47	*	pixelma needs to test in a different sim
18:43:51	crash91	pixelma: It is relative, just checked.
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18:46:59	crash91	pixelma: It acts normally, just the coordinates are relative..the width/height/length etc. are all normal.
18:49:24	pixelma	ok, I see now
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18:52:42	PaulJam	crash91: concerning you latest forum post, could you paste the .wps file somewhere? i think those lines are caused by some wps tags which shouldn't display any text, but still clear the line on the display. i think %C is one of those. for me it helped to insert blank lines, so the tags that don't dilplay text are "below" the visible area.
18:52:43	pixelma	thanks for testing and the answer
18:53:27	crash91	PaulJam: Refresh the page.
18:53:42	crash91	pixelma: you're welcome
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19:28:30	archos_6000	hi all, can someone please point me to the most up to day information on flashing rockbox to an archos player (old version, only 6GB)
19:28:39	archos_6000	date*
19:29:01	archos_6000	all i see is thi http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BootBox
19:30:53	LambdaCalculus37	Wow, that page needs a serious re-write.
19:31:03	LambdaCalculus37	Do you have Rockbox already flashed onto the player?
19:31:12	pixelma	I think the RomBox wiki page is more up to date, but I keep hearing that descriptions of the Archos flashing procedure need to be updated (and don't know much about it myself unfortunately)
19:31:30	pixelma	that applies to the manual as well, I believe
19:31:39	LambdaCalculus37	pixelma: A lot of the pages are marked in big red letters that the information contained within is seriously out of date.
19:31:55	archos_6000	no i only added archos.mod and .rockbox to my device
19:32:08	archos_6000	but i want to get rid of archos firmware 5.06 and only use rockbox
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19:32:52	archos_6000	right now I am dumping all the data on my archos player to my laptop...it's going to take another 45 min...
19:32:53	amiconn	archos_6000: Did you already check whether your box is flashable?
19:33:12	archos_6000	amiconn, how do i do that?
19:33:18	amiconn	Flashing it won't influence any data on the hdd
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19:33:46	archos_6000	according to the manual (http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-player/rockbox-buildch10.html#x13-17300010.5) it talks about flashing it
19:33:59	archos_6000	i know but if the flash fails then I won't be able to access the data
19:34:32	amiconn	System -> Debug -> View HW Info
19:35:00	LambdaCalculus37	If you see Flash M=?? D=??, then you can't do it.
19:35:02	archos_6000	i'm in usb mode right now, I will check that out as soon as I can :)
19:35:10	LambdaCalculus37	Okay.
19:35:48	wpyh	hi, i have a question about the ipod video 80g port
19:35:51	amiconn	The walk through the various items until you see "Flash:"
19:36:17	amiconn	There are either some values displayed, or just ??,??
19:36:22	LambdaCalculus37	wpyh: Go ahead and ask.
19:36:29	wpyh	I noticed an empty page on the wiki
19:36:35	amiconn	If you only see the question marks, you're out of luck and the thing isn't flashable
19:36:40	wpyh	about the problems porting RB over to the video
19:36:53	wpyh	I mean video 5.5G 80GB model
19:37:06	wpyh	This is the page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodEightyGB
19:37:08	LambdaCalculus37	That page is old and holds no meaning anymore.
19:37:21	LambdaCalculus37	That was before we could figure out how to access the disk on the 80GB models.
19:37:28	LambdaCalculus37	Rockbox works just fine on them now.
19:37:35	wpyh	Yeah, so I looked at the older revisions to find that the disk access was done in 1024 byte blocks
19:37:39	wpyh	Yeah
19:38:00	wpyh	Anyway, I'm new here, and I didn't search the archives, so...
19:38:04	LambdaCalculus37	So you can install and enjoy Rockbox with no worries. :)
19:38:08	amiconn	It is done in 1024 byte blocks, because the hdd in the G5.5/80 requires it
19:38:18	amiconn	(drive firmware shortcoming)
19:38:30	wpyh	I'm thinking of buying one now, but I'm planning to swap it out with a CF card
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19:38:48	wpyh	I'm wondering whether it will work...
19:39:04	BigBambi	why get an 80 with its quirks, and not a 30 that is cheaper
19:39:06	wpyh	Um, so Toshiba didn't release a firmware to fix this?
19:39:23	BigBambi	It isn't a bug in that sense
19:39:28	wpyh	Because the 80 GB model (supposedly) has better battery life and better screen?
19:39:42	amiconn	It should, although if you want to go CF anyway you probably should start from the 30GB model
19:39:49	LambdaCalculus37	The 30GB models were slightly revised to have the better screen as well.
19:39:51	wpyh	BigBambi: It's just a limitation though :)
19:39:53	amiconn	It's slimmer and cheaper
19:40:16	BigBambi	wpyh: is the battery any bigger? The 80 has more memory for buffering that is pretty inconsequential if you are going to swap for flash
19:40:22	amiconn	If you want looong runtimes, ipods aren't for you anyway
19:40:32	wpyh	I live in China, so I'll check the local availability :)
19:40:44	wpyh	I'm buying secondhand :)
19:41:00	*	BigBambi has something at the back of his mind that says the 80s do in fact have larger batteries
19:41:02	wpyh	BigBambi: I heard that the battery is bigger
19:41:14	wpyh	ok...
19:41:14	PaulJam	wpyh: make sure you don't get a Classic
19:41:17	BigBambi	but as amiconn says, if you want battery life, don't go ipod
19:41:19	LambdaCalculus37	BigBambi: They have a slightly higher capacity.
19:41:30	wpyh	Yeah, I don't like the Classic's design anyway
19:41:35	BigBambi	LambdaCalculus37: ok, cheers
19:41:54	LambdaCalculus37	wpyh: And it doesn't work with Rockbox anyway.
19:42:07	wpyh	Nah, the battery life is not why I go for ipods; it's why I wanted a 80 GB model instead of a 30 GB one
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19:42:23	wpyh	Yeah, I heard that the Classic's FW is encrypted
19:42:31	LambdaCalculus37	wpyh: If we may be a bit bold for a moment? Can I recommend a player?
19:42:43	wpyh	Wonder whether it's the same encryption as the Nano 2G
19:42:55	wpyh	LambdaCalculus37: OK :)
19:43:17	LambdaCalculus37	Why not look for a Toshiba Gigabeat F or S series instead?
19:44:06	LambdaCalculus37	You get good capacity, very good battery life, and no silly proprietary USB "dock" connector.
19:44:08	wpyh	Ah, I considered that option, but didn't find any of them online, for sale, here in China.
19:44:17	LambdaCalculus37	Not even eBay?
19:44:51	wpyh	I saw a few on Taobao, but they don't seem good (the place's full of tricksters)
19:44:58	wpyh	um... I didn't look on eBay :P
19:45:25	wpyh	Here, we're mostly trading stuff on forums and BBS's (you know, the telnet type...)
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19:46:04	wpyh	But since you mentioned it, I will keep an eye on those models
19:46:28	wpyh	Ah gevaerts has come
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19:46:51	wpyh	gevaerts: are you the one working on the USB driver for the Meizu players?
19:47:17	gevaerts	wpyh: I'm the one _planning_ to work on that, yes :)
19:47:34	archos_6000	I'll be back when I can check my FW information thanks :)
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19:48:02	wpyh	Oh, so that's just a plan :)
19:48:21	wpyh	I also have Meizu players, so I'm actually looking forward to those ports
19:48:42	wpyh	Do you happen to run Linux?
19:48:45	linuxstb	wpyh: Download the Rockbox source code and join the fun...
19:48:55	amiconn	LambdaCalculus37: What's the typical gigabeat runtime?
19:49:08	gevaerts	wpyh: yes, why ?
19:49:12	amiconn	Btw, it seems my mini's runtime got a lot better by going CF
19:49:21	wpyh	linuxstb: I've downloaded it, compiled it, ran it on my H10, then sold the H10 because I didn't like it... :p
19:49:23	*	amiconn needs to measure
19:49:53	wpyh	gevaerts: because I run (almost) exclusively linux, and I can't do the DFU thing to flash the FW on Linux
19:49:56	BigBambi	amiconn: JdGordon\|afk reported a very large increase after going cf on his mini
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19:50:08	wpyh	amiconn: how much better? with OF? with RB?
19:50:19	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn: I don't have an F (my girlfriend's getting one soon), but until jhMikeS gets proper power management working on the beast, I'm only getting around 5-6 hours of runtime.
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19:50:50	amiconn	wpyh: RB of course. The OF is completely useless for me
19:51:25	wpyh	amiconn: oh :) Maybe you can put the results up on the BatteryRuntime page
19:51:49	amiconn	Yeah. With the original microdrive I got around 9 hours
19:51:56	amiconn	(it's a 2nd Gen Mini)
19:52:19	wpyh	gevaerts: have you found a way to use the DFU tool on Linux?
19:52:34	gevaerts	No, but I also haven't really looked yet
19:52:39	wpyh	gevaerts: because if I try some test code, I'd most certainly have to use it
19:52:41	wpyh	ok
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19:53:14	wpyh	I've tried it using QEMU running Win XP
19:53:18	wpyh	I used the USB passthrough
19:53:38	wpyh	but QEMU crashed when I clicked the "Download" button
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19:53:52	wpyh	any ideas?
19:54:19	wpyh	LambdaCalculus37: does the power management have a large impact?
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19:59:42	shotofadds	linuxstb: out of interest how much was your M200? do you reckon an M230 (512Mb) for £15.51 delivered is good value?
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20:00:57	linuxstb_	My 4GB (M250) was £19.99, plus about 1.99 postage IIRC
20:01:19	shotofadds	I'm thinking the smallest capcity possible might help us with the NAND issues...#
20:01:31	shotofadds	where was that from?
20:01:37	LambdaCalculus37	I have the second smallest capacity... the m240.
20:01:44	linuxstb_	bigpockets.co.uk - I've just checked, and they don't have it any more.
20:02:34	*	linuxstb_ checks his device and sees it is an m260 (which is the 4GB)
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20:02:54	linuxstb_	Matching model numbers with capacity is obviously beyond Sandisk...
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20:03:19	LambdaCalculus37	shotofadds: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B000CDGW8Y/ref=sr_1_olp_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1212170558&sr=1-1
20:03:19	wpyh	I found one gigabeat (maybe the F series) for 600 RMB (~$90) but it couldn't charge
20:03:23	amiconn	m250 should be 2GB then, to match the sandisk model numbering scheme
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20:03:45	LambdaCalculus37	wpyh: The battery might be old. But you can replace them.
20:03:53	wpyh	and another gigabeat (F20 I think) for 1000 RMB (~$110) @_@
20:04:12	wpyh	the seller says that the charging circuit may be broken
20:04:21	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn: The m200 series are 230 (512MB), 240 (1GB), 250 (2GB), and 260 (4GB).
20:04:38	wpyh	He says "it can only be used while connected to power"
20:04:59	amiconn	LambdaCalculus37: The e200 and c200 series use the exact same scheme...
20:05:01	wpyh	And I also found a bunch of gigabeat U series, which I think is not supported (at all)
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20:05:30	amiconn	x30 (512B), x40 (1GB), x50 (2GB), x60 (4GB), x70 (6GB) and x80 (8GB)
20:05:44	amiconn	Not all series are available with all capacities of course
20:05:48	linuxstb	wpyh: No. Just the F/X series, plus the S is "almost" supported. (the S works quite well, but the port is very new).
20:06:17	wpyh	I didn't find an S series here...
20:06:34	linuxstb	I think they're even rarer than the F.
20:06:34	wpyh	well, I'm actually from Indonesia, so I'll try to look for one while at home
20:06:46	LambdaCalculus37	The install method for the S is rather daunting at this time.
20:06:46	wpyh	I'm in China only formy undergrad
20:06:55	wpyh	ok
20:07:05	wpyh	LambdaCalculus37: "daunting"?
20:07:56	LambdaCalculus37	Yes, because you have to compile it yourself, plus patch an original firmware file with the Rockbox bootloader, then upload it to the device somehow (the S is MTP only), and also send a rockbox.tar file to it as well.
20:07:56	shotofadds	I might put in an order from here: http://www.somersetcameras.co.uk/products/sandisk-m230-512mb-mp3-player/1437/
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20:08:08	shotofadds	it's almost certain to be a v1 at that capacity/price
20:08:08	*	LambdaCalculus37 takes a breath
20:08:39	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: No, the rockbox.tar step isn't needed any more - the Rockbox bootloader has a UMS driver.
20:08:53	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Ah yes, that's right. :)
20:08:56	shotofadds	But right now I must dash. Real Life wins again...
20:09:07	LambdaCalculus37	Been a while since I last did an initial install. :)
20:09:24	LambdaCalculus37	See ya, shotofadds!
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20:09:36	wpyh	LambdaCalculus37: well, the only "daunting" part is transferring the fw to the device which is MTP only
20:09:43	wpyh	:)
20:09:51	LambdaCalculus37	Not the compiling and patching part? :)
20:09:54	wpyh	linuxstb: oh
20:10:20	wpyh	Uh, compiling is only ../tools/configure right? Then make
20:10:32	wpyh	patching, well just cat x \| patch for me :p
20:10:45	linuxstb	wpyh: The S installation is documented here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSInstallation
20:10:57	wpyh	linuxstb: Thanks
20:11:00	linuxstb	Can Rockbox charge on the S yet? I haven't been following the commits...
20:11:16	wpyh	I don't have it and can't find it here in China, but I'm quite interested anyway :)
20:12:18	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: No, not yet. jhMikeS has been doing some power management commits, but charging isn't working yet.
20:12:40	LambdaCalculus37	He's only been making the commits so that he can better understand how it works, as the comments state.
20:13:23	LambdaCalculus37	That's also why he told me to stick with a dual-booting bootloader for now.
20:14:39	wpyh	By the way, about the ipod video 80 GB: is it detected by determining the IPod version, or by determining the disk type/model/firmware? I can't seem to find it in the sources.
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20:30:24	markun	hi wpyh!
20:30:36	wpyh	markun: hi too :)
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20:42:36	archos_6000	hi all i'm trying to find resources on flashing my archos player (6gb) version and i checked my HW INfo and see FLash: BF, D6
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20:47:28	LambdaCalculus37	Well, I was about to say that he was in luck.
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21:33:58	mcuelenaere	linuxstb: at what dir is that download currently?
21:36:17	linuxstb	It appears to be finished... Downloaded: 3,836,171,524 bytes in 2427 files
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21:36:40	mcuelenaere	wow, nice
21:36:49	mcuelenaere	4gigs of data..
21:37:00	mcuelenaere	is that including 2soc & 4hw?
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21:38:55	linuxstb	mcuelenaere: No, I'll start those now.
21:39:07	*	linuxstb discovers the c100 has the same LCD as the c200...
21:39:19	mcuelenaere	ok thanks; now where are you going to upload these files?
21:39:48	linuxstb	I've no idea... It will take about 3 days to upload that anywhere...
21:40:21	mcuelenaere	hmm I think there are some redundant files in there, maybe it could get compressed a bit
21:40:24	mcuelenaere	but still, it is huge
21:42:26	linuxstb	The 01linux directory is 3.6GB
21:42:53	bertrik	has summer-of-code started yet?
21:42:59	linuxstb	And about 1.7GB of that is the toolchain
21:43:11	linuxstb	bertrik: I think it officially started last Monday
21:43:24	mcuelenaere	are those (3d party) tools that big? or is that just the source of the linux kernel?
21:43:30	linuxstb	But I think some of our students are still doing their exams...
21:43:43	bertrik	ok, nice to hear
21:45:27	linuxstb	mcuelenaere: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/3sw-ls-LR.txt
21:45:56	amiconn	linuxstb: 3 days? o.O
21:46:52	linuxstb	amiconn: Maybe... It's been a while since I uploaded anything that large.
21:47:14	*	amiconn would estimate 1 day for uploading 4 GB via his connection
21:48:58	mcuelenaere	linuxstb: perhaps only the really interesting files should get uploaded? ie the docs and the patches against linux/celinux/�cos/... ?
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22:15:18	Bagder	it'd be fun to add a mips target...
22:16:33	mcuelenaere	hmm anyone familar with the sim & touchscreen support ? (TOUCHPAD_POINT)
22:16:56	mcuelenaere	Bagder: it would require a toolchain update to all build servers
22:17:04	Bagder	yeps
22:17:14	Bagder	well, to all that want to build mips at least
22:17:22	mcuelenaere	BTW, the C54xx would require that too :)
22:17:27	Bagder	build servers can opt-in for particular archs
22:17:34	mcuelenaere	ah I didn't know that
22:18:45	mcuelenaere	I have even been offered a Jz4740 player for free/Rockbox development :)
22:18:55	Bagder	ah, nice
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22:46:34	guru	wats up newbie
22:46:48	guru	im looking to upgrade my video ipod 30 gig
22:46:50	guru	help please
22:47:55	guru	hello
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22:48:37	PaulJam	if you have a (rockbox related) question just ask.
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22:48:53	guru	well im trying to find out more about rockbox and how it works
22:49:10	bluebrother	"help please" but haven't asked a question yet? Interesting.
22:49:28	*	bluebrother points to http://www.rockbox.org :)
22:50:02	guru	so lets sit here all day and look at a blank screen ok thats fun NOT@
22:51:14	BigBambi	guru: Do you actually have a question, or are you trolling?
22:51:29	bluebrother	BigBambi: don't feed the trolls! ;-)
22:51:33	BigBambi	d'oh
22:52:28	guru	i just wanted to know how good is rockbox
22:52:33	BigBambi	er, very
22:52:49	BigBambi	you are in the Rockbox irc channel, what do you expect?
22:52:53	bluebrother	well, this is a channel about Rockbox. What exactly do you expect? People telling you it's crap?
22:52:54	guru	right
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22:53:42	advcomp2019	guru, i think rockbox is great if that is what you want to know
22:53:57	guru	if i lost rockbox will it clear any of my stuff of my ipod?
22:54:03	BigBambi	eh?
22:54:11	guru	load
22:54:16	BigBambi	No
22:54:27	BigBambi	You should check out the manual...
22:54:32	guru	does it come with some themes and stuff
22:54:36	BigBambi	yes
22:54:40	guru	im looking for that now on the site
22:54:57	guru	i need the loader and the progarm for my 30 gig right?
22:55:10	BigBambi	The manual has install instructions...
22:55:17	*	bluebrother wonders what "loader" and "program" exactly means ...
22:55:27	guru	do you have the link?
22:55:37	bluebrother	website -> manual?
22:55:42	BigBambi	The link "manual" on the left of every page?
22:55:48	guru	nice
22:55:49	guru	thanx
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22:55:59	bluebrother	seems websites are _really_ hard to read. sic
22:56:58	guru	yep real hard to read blue ball
22:57:25	BigBambi	guru: behave please
22:57:59	guru	I said when i came in here im a newbie cut me some slack i didn't know about the site
22:58:09	guru	thanks for your help bigbambi
22:58:13	BigBambi	guru: We just ask that you read a little :)
22:58:18	BigBambi	guru: no problem
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22:58:33	guru	i understand just didn't know about the site
22:58:40	BigBambi	hehe, ok
22:59:06	guru	how often do they do updates?
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22:59:32	bluebrother	guru: have you read the channel topic?
22:59:42	BigBambi	guru: There are many per day
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23:26:23	przemhb	hi
23:26:57	advcomp2019	hello preglow
23:27:07	advcomp2019	oops przemhb
23:30:06	przemhb	jhMikeS: we were once (2007.12.11) discussing line-in gain for H10 tuner. I have prepared a patch recently. Could you take a look on it and commit it? FS #9024
23:30:25	przemhb	hi advcomp2019
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23:43:30	drfsupercenter	Hey, anyone here know how to update the firmware on a Sansa c200?
23:43:39	drfsupercenter	The sansa patcher only installs the Rockbox bootloader...
23:44:52	BigBambi	drfsupercenter: just unzip the new build to the root of the c200, overwriting the existing install
23:45:04	BigBambi	Or better still, use rbutil
23:45:14	BigBambi	Even better, read the manual - it tells you this
23:45:42	drfsupercenter	hm
23:45:53	drfsupercenter	I'm talking Sandisk firmware, not Rockbox firmware
23:45:59	BigBambi	then that is off topic
23:46:07	BigBambi	This is #rockbox
23:46:23	drfsupercenter	I know
23:46:30	BigBambi	Then why did you ask?
23:46:34	drfsupercenter	but I figured that updating the firmware to allow Rockbox and updating the firmware are the same process
23:46:42	BigBambi	no...
23:47:03	drfsupercenter	can rbutil do anything with Sansa firmware?
23:47:09	BigBambi	You don't update the firmware to install rockbox, you patch the existing firmware with the Rockbox bootloader
23:47:11	gevaerts	What do you mean by "updating the firmware to allow Rockbox" ?
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23:47:21	BigBambi	drfsupercenter: no, it is for rockbox
23:47:44	drfsupercenter	Uh, never mind
23:47:54	drfsupercenter	Let's just say that my Sansa has old firmware that won't let me select between MTP and MSC
23:48:01	drfsupercenter	Someone told me yesterday to get this firmware upgrade
23:48:05	drfsupercenter	I have the file, but don't know what to do with it
23:48:27	drfsupercenter	I ran sansapatcher with that .mi4 file in the folder, but it didn't upgrade anything
23:48:36	BigBambi	The SansaFAQ wiki page might tll you, if not ask Sandisk - I'm sure they give instructions on how to update their own firmware
23:49:00	pixelma	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Port#No_MSC_Mode
23:49:25	BigBambi	there you go :)
23:50:05	drfsupercenter	"Try rolling back the Sansa firmware to an older version. Download version 1.01.00 from here (choose the letter version that matches your existing firmware). The files are compressed in .7z format; you can download 7-Zip to open them. Now enter Recovery Mode and upgrade the firmware. (Info gathered from here)"
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23:50:09	drfsupercenter	I have that firmware, but hm
23:50:10	drfsupercenter	wtf is recovery mode
23:50:18	drfsupercenter	I'm not asking, I'm thinking out loud
23:50:18	drfsupercenter	LOL
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23:50:19	BigBambi	drfsupercenter: why not read the link
23:50:48	BigBambi	drfsupercenter: then please don't - this channel is logged and people don't want to have to trawl through pointless waffle to get to the useful bits
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23:50:57	drfsupercenter	OK
23:51:14	drfsupercenter	OK, well on topic with Rockbox - Do any of the betas let you change what keys do what?
23:51:23	drfsupercenter	As some of the default key allocations suck IMO
23:51:26	BigBambi	what betas?
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23:51:38	BigBambi	If you mean in Rockbox, no, you need to edit the code
23:51:38	drfsupercenter	Build
23:51:38	drfsupercenter	w/e
23:51:49	BigBambi	technical terms are importasnt to get right
23:52:13	drfsupercenter	LOL
23:52:16	gevaerts	drfsupercenter: just be careful with recovery mode. Only copy files that the instructions tell you to copy, don't get creative if something is not clear
23:52:21	drfsupercenter	OK
23:52:28	drfsupercenter	well, how easy is it to modify rockbox code?
23:52:34	BigBambi	You have to edit the code then compile to change keys - I agree that some of the current c200 keymap is rubbish, and pixelma has written a patch that vastly improves it, that I can't remember the number of
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23:53:06	BigBambi	drfsupercenter: Incidently, what is funny? If we don't use the correct terms, we get confused, and that way badness lies
23:53:07	drfsupercenter	Well the e200's is worse
23:53:17	BigBambi	the e200 is much better IMO
23:53:22	drfsupercenter	I just bought a e280 and the whole scroll wheel vs. buttons are weird
23:53:29	drfsupercenter	But there's no way to adjust the volume when in the menu...
23:53:35	BigBambi	drfsupercenter: but feel free to change it for your own personal build
23:53:44	drfsupercenter	I also don't like how pressing Power shuts the song off, why can't it do what the c200?
23:53:51	drfsupercenter	How easy is it to do that without breaking something?
23:53:56	BigBambi	drfsupercenter: very
23:54:00	drfsupercenter	<BigBambi> drfsupercenter: Incidently, what is funny? If we don't use the correct terms, we get confused, and that way badness lies <−− I just LOL at everything, bad habit
23:54:07	drfsupercenter	Hm, is it in binary, or like written out somewhere
23:54:13	BigBambi	no, it is source
23:54:18	BigBambi	what OS are you using?
23:54:28	drfsupercenter	XP
23:54:41	BigBambi	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
23:54:43	drfsupercenter	That link redirects me to Sansa Store... not what I need
23:54:49	BigBambi	no, it doesn't
23:54:52	pixelma	it can be tricky to get everything working as intended when editing the keymap files
23:55:11	BigBambi	drfsupercenter: http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=c200&thread.id=372&view=by_date_ascending&page=3
23:55:31	BigBambi	pixelma: can be, but you can't ever really break anything
23:55:43	advcomp2019	i think the old e200 keymap was ok but the new e200 keymap is lots better
23:55:47	pixelma	that's true,
23:55:54		Join einhirn_ [0] (n=Miranda@p5B032356.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
23:57:01	drfsupercenter	and hmm
23:57:14	BigBambi	pixelma: I still think you ought to go ahead with the c200 as is :)
23:57:29	drfsupercenter	One suggestion I have, is to have it so when you press enter to go to the song list, it highlites the song you're listening to so you don't have to start at the top of the list every time
23:57:41	BigBambi	given nobody else seems to have taken an interest, and in my mind whatever the shortcomings, it is much better than the existing one
23:57:53	BigBambi	drfsupercenter: turn follow playlist on
23:58:11	drfsupercenter	Where is that at in Rockbox?
23:58:22	BigBambi	the manual tells you
23:58:27	BigBambi	please read it
23:58:46	drfsupercenter	OK

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