#rockbox 2008-05-31

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#rockbox log for 2008-05-31

00:00:11	drfsupercenter	pixelma, Yeah, but what about the volume?
00:00:19	drfsupercenter	Being able to control volume in the menus would be nice...
00:00:28	BigBambi	drfsupercenter: there aren't any free keys for that
00:00:35	pixelma	on the c200 you are (still)
00:00:37	drfsupercenter	and hmm, Every time I run FreeDoom, it freezes.
00:00:41	drfsupercenter	And I have to resort to yanking the battery out
00:00:45	pixelma	not with my changes though
00:00:46	BigBambi	no you don't
00:00:47	drfsupercenter	Is there some bug that makes Doom freeze?
00:00:56	BigBambi	hold power for up to 30 seconds
00:01:02	BigBambi	it is a hardware power off
00:01:04	drfsupercenter	Hm
00:01:11	drfsupercenter	I held it for a really long time, it didn't seem to work
00:01:17	drfsupercenter	But that's not the point... why's it always crash?
00:01:20	drfsupercenter	Is that a bug in the code/
00:01:22	drfsupercenter	*?
00:01:22	BigBambi	did you time up to 30 seconds
00:01:27	pixelma	I've heard a few reports of doom freeze when run in rotated mode
00:01:28	drfsupercenter	No. But it was more tha 10
00:01:33	drfsupercenter	Yeah, and I run it in rotated mode
00:01:42	BigBambi	drfsupercenter: I don't know - no devs really care about doom
00:01:43	drfsupercenter	why would you not run it in rotated mode, LOL, you get so frickin stretched out that way
00:01:53	drfsupercenter	(and I'm a Zune user so I'm used to rotating screens)_
00:01:56	BigBambi	Most devs consider audio functionality more important
00:02:23	drfsupercenter	OK, I'm in Recovery Mode
00:02:26	drfsupercenter	do I just copy firmware.mi4?
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00:02:56	gevaerts	Also pribootLoader.rom
00:03:02	drfsupercenter	OK
00:03:09	drfsupercenter	do I need the font one?
00:03:45	gevaerts	You can copy it, but I don't think it's really needed.
00:04:09	drfsupercenter	OK
00:04:11	drfsupercenter	I won't bother then
00:04:28	midgey	Bagder: did you see my latest patch?
00:04:31	drfsupercenter	(Ultimately, I only use rockbox so I don't care... I just can't stand it being in MTP mode and having to use a friend's computer to transfer music)
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00:05:53	drfsupercenter	yay, it works
00:06:10	drfsupercenter	Now I have to reinstall Rockbox?
00:06:24	gevaerts	Just the bootloader
00:06:30	drfsupercenter	OK
00:06:36	drfsupercenter	Good, I spent 15 minutes setting the settings LOL
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00:08:25	drfsupercenter	Oh, another question
00:08:38	*	BigBambi hopes it isn't in the manual
00:08:41	drfsupercenter	on my e200, I tried to play some midis but it says I need to install the instruments... where do I get those from?
00:08:47	BigBambi	....
00:09:51	drfsupercenter	What, is that in the manual?
00:10:00	*	gevaerts checks
00:10:03	BigBambi	er, I thought so, but I'm just checking :)
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00:11:03	*	BigBambi apologises
00:11:42	BigBambi	drfsupercenter: my apologies, check out http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMidiPlay
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00:12:43	drfsupercenter	.tbz2? Is that some compressed format?
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00:12:52	BigBambi	yes
00:13:10	drfsupercenter	OK
00:13:15	drfsupercenter	woah 21MB, that's huge...
00:16:12	pixelma	midis don't play too well on the targets with portalplayer CPU (like the v1 Sansas). Only simple ones, not too complex and only a few instruments are ok
00:17:36	drfsupercenter	testing with the Sansa, heh
00:17:42	drfsupercenter	and I gotta go, thanks for the help guys
00:17:50	drfsupercenter	I'll probably have more questions later :)
00:18:18	drfsupercenter	But I gotta say, I'm really impressed with Rockbox, it's at least 10x better than the original firmware (and the fact that it lets you access the filesystem and change stuff like the button light make it even better)
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00:23:10	mcuelenaere	anyone against comitting this (touchscreen improvement) ? http://pastebin.com/d51ce33ab
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02:42:53	kugel	Slasheri: Ping. It would be nice if you can take a look at FS #7287
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03:08:53	ctaf	hello
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03:19:02	ctaf	I want to port rockbox on a creative zen
03:19:15	ctaf	smbdy has information or work on it already?
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03:32:41	secleinteer	hi, does anyone know if a rockbox port for the creative zen is being worked on?
03:32:59	secleinteer	i saw some stuff about a port for the zen vision m being worked on, but nothing about the creative zen
03:41:07	ctaf	hello
03:41:15	ctaf	i asked the same question 2 line above
03:41:33	ctaf	i'am interested in porting rockbox on it
03:42:10	ctaf	somebody successfully uploaded a slightly modified firmware on it
03:42:24	ctaf	it's a good thing to start hacking on it
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04:03:07	advcomp2019	ctaf and secleinteer, the best bet is to go on the forums and look there
04:03:25	ctaf	there is a thread on the forum
04:03:27	ctaf	about that
04:03:56	advcomp2019	yea there is
04:04:46	secleinteer	ctaf: can you give me a link?
04:05:04	secleinteer	i'd like to help out in porting it as well
04:05:18	ctaf	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13462.15
04:05:29	secleinteer	thx
04:05:31	ctaf	i'am creating a target in rockbox currently
04:06:06	ctaf	it seems the cpu is not supported by rockbox it's a stmp3760
04:06:15	ctaf	but there are stmp35xx that are supported
04:06:25	ctaf	there is a page on the wiki too
04:06:42	ctaf	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreativeZEN
04:07:14	wpyh	ctaf: I thought the STMP35xx are not supported
04:07:29	wpyh	ctaf: because there's no recent enough compiler for it
04:08:21	ctaf	ouch
04:08:26	ctaf	and for the stmp3700?
04:09:23	ctaf	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SigmaTelSTMP3xxx
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04:19:41	wpyh	I don't know but there's a compiler for the STMP36xx: http://linux.sigmatel.com/
04:30:31	ctaf	yep
04:30:37	ctaf	I found the LCD hourra
04:30:41	ctaf	\o/
04:30:43	ctaf	it's a sansung
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04:33:40	ctaf	ouch I forget to verify
04:33:57	ctaf	but maybe the 3700 series is not supported by arm-elf-gcc
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04:45:46	wpyh	I don't know, but maybe you can check :)
04:46:05	secleinteer	ctaf: so the compiler's only made by sigmatel?
04:46:16	secleinteer	no chance of a 3rd party writing one?
04:46:22	ctaf	i dont know enough
04:46:27	secleinteer	hmm
04:46:36	ctaf	gcc may support it, but the cpu is really recent
04:46:47	secleinteer	damn
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04:47:08	secleinteer	so the 3600 and 3500 series's support is from sigmatel, righT?
04:47:29	secleinteer	then maybe they will release the 3700 some time soon
04:48:07	ctaf	they sell a sdk to make mp3 player for 12000$
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04:48:13	secleinteer	this one was released last september, so they may make it yet
04:48:13	ctaf	for the 3700
04:48:17	ctaf	yes I hope
04:48:23	secleinteer	that's some bull
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04:48:28	secleinteer	what's it called?
04:48:37	secleinteer	the sdk
04:49:02	ctaf	a compiler and sample of a mp3 player including mp3 codec and GUI
04:49:15	ctaf	we need spec for each component too
04:49:18	secleinteer	no, no, is there a commercial name for it?
04:49:20	ctaf	they seem hard to find
04:49:30	ctaf	i dont know
04:49:33	secleinteer	damn
04:49:43	ctaf	but i want it if you find it :-)
04:49:43	secleinteer	i could acquire it if i knew the name
04:49:51	ctaf	lol
04:49:57	secleinteer	just need that name, and i will tell you whether it's available
04:50:11	ctaf	google it
04:50:13	secleinteer	anywho, can't you just pull the player apart to check out the specs?
04:50:15	secleinteer	ya i'm going o
04:50:16	secleinteer	to*
04:50:20	ctaf	it dont remember where i saw it
04:50:32	ctaf	the pdf spec
04:50:49	secleinteer	k
04:51:04	ctaf	i have the lcd and cpu sn
04:51:21	ctaf	but i need the spec to do a sample test program
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04:51:50	ctaf	and a fucking compiler
04:51:53	secleinteer	doesn't look like there's anything on first glance
04:51:58	secleinteer	if it's called stmp3700
04:52:09	ctaf	but maybe gcc will to the work
04:52:16	secleinteer	you said no support?
04:52:22	ctaf	I dont think it's called like that
04:52:26	ctaf	I dont say so
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04:52:34	secleinteer	k i'm sitll looking
04:52:47	secleinteer	nothing with 'sigmatel' in the name
04:53:07	ctaf	but maybe there is no optimisation for that proc but the generated binary will work though
04:53:18	secleinteer	hmm
04:53:21	ctaf	LMS250GF03 ?
04:53:24	secleinteer	how much of a performance loss?
04:53:29	secleinteer	what's that?
04:53:33	ctaf	we dont care at first
04:53:35	ctaf	the lcd
04:53:39	ctaf	I really need the spec
04:53:40	secleinteer	kk
04:53:44	secleinteer	for the whole thing?
04:53:49	ctaf	yep
04:54:04	ctaf	to know how it work
04:54:07	secleinteer	check newegg? ;p
04:54:20	secleinteer	damn, they don't have shit on this
04:54:35	ctaf	(i'am not a native english spoker, i dont understood the joke, too bad)
04:55:02	secleinteer	lol kk
04:55:27	secleinteer	newegg's a US site for buying tech stuff, they have 'specs' on each item they sell
04:55:36	secleinteer	it'd be the first place i'd check
04:56:00	ctaf	oki
04:56:02	ctaf	checking
04:56:16	secleinteer	i already looked lol
04:56:22	secleinteer	^^ " <secleinteer> damn, they don't have shit on this"
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04:56:58	secleinteer	do you have one of these already?
04:57:13	ctaf	by spec I mean something like that: http://www.neodns.co.kr/specpdf/tft/(SEC)LTV250QV-F0B.pdf
04:57:54	secleinteer	yeah, i know, that's what the ";p" was for
04:58:10	ctaf	ok
04:58:11	ctaf	lool
04:58:15	ctaf	now I understand
04:59:51	ctaf	fuck it doesnt sound like a simple task
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05:01:02	secleinteer	hehe
05:01:04	secleinteer	ofc it isn't
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05:01:25	secleinteer	making an OS for a hardware spec that's too new to have much support
05:01:34	secleinteer	look at the ipod's
05:01:37	secleinteer	and their rockbox support
05:01:46	secleinteer	despite all the people interested
05:01:53	secleinteer	it's still buggy
05:03:47	ctaf	lol
05:03:56	ctaf	i dont really know the state on the ipod
05:04:05	secleinteer	it's ok, but there are problems
05:04:11	secleinteer	least when i tried it out a while back
05:04:18	ctaf	but porting to new hardware is always hard
05:04:36	secleinteer	now that my ipod's backlight is dead and i'm never going to touch another apple product, this creative looks real nice
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05:08:12	ctaf_	i 'am tired
05:08:18	ctaf_	i am going sleeping
05:08:20	ctaf_	good night
05:09:58	ctaf_	oups was here at first to have write access on the wiki, to add some information on the creative zen
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05:10:10	secleinteer	alright, cya
05:10:13	ctaf_	somebody could set them form me?
05:10:24	ctaf_	i must go
05:10:26	ctaf_	bye
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06:59:15	woodensoul	Hello everyone. I turned my cousin on to Rockbox and recommended that he consider the iPod 5G since it can be Rockboxed. However, of all the targets I own, I use my iPod 5G the least because the builds have been very unstable for a long time. I'd like to get a stable build for him since he's not very technically inclined. Basically I just want no lockups and stable playback. Does anyone around know a very stable build
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10:16:01	JdGordon	pixelma: hey, any chance you could have a look at fixing cabbiev2 to work with FS #9027 (conditional viewports) sometime this weekend please?
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10:20:34	pixelma	JdGordon: probably not - I also wouldn't know what to "fix" there. But I had a play with the patch and it has redraw problems - when one of the viewports changes, sometimes neighbouring vanish too (or content in it). If fixes itself, when a complete screen redraw is needed (e.g. on track change) - I also saw this effect when only the condition is checked (without actually using a different viewport then)
10:21:12	JdGordon	can you reply to the task wit ht e naughty wps?
10:21:14	pixelma	wanted to prepare a comment with screenshots for the tracker anyway, but that'll take a bit of time
10:21:30	JdGordon	cabbiev2 is the only one using the %m tag which I want to remove
10:21:59	JdGordon	although, maybe i can just fiddle with the viewport instead of removeing the tag complaetly
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10:22:25	pixelma	I also thought about that - but the withdraw of it is that the number of viewports is limited
10:22:58	linuxstb__	JdGordon: When do you want to commit that patch to remove the margins?
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10:23:12	JdGordon	viewports arnt all that expensvie.. doubling isnt a big deal
10:23:17	JdGordon	linuxstb: when its finished :p
10:23:39	JdGordon	the rec screen has issues whihc need to be addressed first
10:23:47	linuxstb	JdGordon: IMO we should wait - to give people a chance to change all the WPSs that use %m.
10:24:02	linuxstb	It would be a bad thing to suddenly break most WPSs...
10:24:47	JdGordon	yes, but the %m was really put in as more of a hack to make people less reliant on patches...
10:25:20	linuxstb	So?
10:25:40	JdGordon	so its not a big deal pulling it out because is wasnt meant as a permanent solution
10:26:07	JdGordon	regardless.. that patch cant be commited yet anyway
10:26:09	linuxstb	I disagree.
10:26:36	JdGordon	you'd be upset if the tag disappeared?
10:26:53	linuxstb	No, but 99% of users will be complaining their WPSes no longer work..
10:28:25	JdGordon	ok, so ill put a curtosy email on the mailing lists
10:28:35	linuxstb	IMO, the firstly there needs to be a usable replacement (such as your conditional viewports patch), then we advertise %m as deprecated and give people time to migrate WPSs, then we remove it.
10:28:45	JdGordon	of course...
10:28:57	JdGordon	9027 depends on cond vp's which isnt ready yet also
10:29:40	pixelma	JdGordon: another problem I had: I wanted to have a shorter progressbar when album art is displayed and prepared 2 viewports and only used the progressbar tag in it. Thought when it uses one or the other viewport the progressbar (length) would change accordingly but this doesn't seem to work. Mostly it uses the longer one, I saw the shorter one once when the condition wasn't even true. I checked that the %pb tag uses the viewport width when not sp
10:29:53	JdGordon	I'd like to get it all done in the next week though, week after that I have exams, then holiday, i dont have anything on this week
10:31:10	JdGordon	pixelma: that might be a problem with the longer viewpoert isnt cleared so you need to put another vp there showing blank (of have the shorter one the whole width, but set the pb shorter
10:32:11	pixelma	there is a shorter one above it, I made sure that the whole screen is always covered without overlaps
10:33:05	pixelma	I can't make the progressbar shorter because you can't use it conditionally
10:33:34	*	JdGordon needs screenshots and/or the .wps
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10:37:46	JdGordon	changing topics.. what does everyone think about 9053? mouting the sd cards using their volume name instead of <microSD1>
10:37:47	JdGordon	?
10:39:25	pixelma	the .wps is quite complicated because I wanted to test whether my idea worked. I started with only setting up the viewports using different background colours and without content and still have that file (already shows the vanishing neighbour vps though with content the problem changes a little depending on whether the content needs a redraw anyway, like scrolling lines). I think I'm going to attach all I got... I'd like to test the progressbar th
10:40:06	JdGordon	you got cut off... "the progresbar th"
10:40:21	pixelma	progressbar thing in a simpler setup but that'll need some more time...
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10:47:26	linuxstb	pixelma: Ignoring conditional viewports, can you have two progress bars, in different viewports?
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10:47:57	pixelma	hmm... haven't checked. I probably should try that first
10:49:25	pixelma	I guess that could be the problem
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11:11:34	JdGordon	pixelma: a problem how
11:11:34	JdGordon	?
11:13:23	pixelma	aren't the viewports all existent at any time, just some hidden and some visible?
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11:17:55	pixelma	seems you can have 2 progressbars at the same time but only at the dimensions of the first one, in different viewports you'll get the same progressbars at 2 different spots
11:18:38	pixelma	that's tested with an SVN sim
11:19:31	JdGordon	ah, that sounds like a fairly likyl issue
11:19:48	JdGordon	might have to move the progress bar info into the viewport struct
11:20:34	pixelma	I guess the code is probably not prepared to draw differently (advancing differently etc.)?
11:20:40	*	JdGordon thought you were answering my q on that volume mounting patch :p
11:21:18	amiconn	Putting the progress bar struct into the viewport would be bad imo
11:21:24	JdGordon	why?
11:22:09	amiconn	(1) You would be reserving memory for something that's only needed in the wps. (2) It's inflexible. Who says you cannot have more than 1 progress bar per viewport?
11:22:10	pixelma	about the volume mounting patch... the idea is fairly old and I remember some discussions about it (maybe not here) but don't remember the outcome...
11:22:45	JdGordon	amiconn: no... the wps viewport struict isnt the same as a regular vp struct
11:23:04	JdGordon	wps { viewport { strct viewport, other stuff.... } }
11:23:07	amiconn	The viewport drawing code should be pretty much stateless, so I'd expect this problem to be repairable there
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11:24:00	pixelma	amiconn: I believe you were restricted to one progressbar in the screen before viewports
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11:28:29	JdGordon	yep, wps only lets you have 1 progress bar atm
11:28:40	JdGordon	each %pb tag overwrites the previous
11:28:46	linuxstb	JdGordon: IMO it would be wasteful to store the progressbar parameters in the viewport struct. Maybe they could just be stored in the token array.
11:29:58	JdGordon	yeah, how many would we ever want? 2? 3? we could store them seperalty and store an index into an array of them in the token value...
11:29:59	linuxstb	Although I'm not sure....
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11:31:40	JdGordon	ill put a patch together quickly... shouldnt be difficult
11:32:15	*	pixelma wondered about viewports helping the progressbar handling (x-, y-position, length) in general but in the end thought it could be problematic in case the rest of the WPS only uses the "default viewport"
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11:32:47	pixelma	though that's only my current understanding of it...
11:35:29	n1s	pixelma: quick manual opinion: what do you think of putting "Hold switch" "do something" in a button table?
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11:43:17	pixelma	n1s: not sure what you mean... btw. just wanted to tell you about your commit that I didn't manage to use that button combo but reading the task, it seems possible with lots of practise....
11:43:51	n1s	pixelma: that button combo is the one in the keymap in the code at least
11:44:00	pixelma	I know
11:44:15	pixelma	I changed that in my keymap patch ;)
11:44:47	n1s	about the hold thing I meant putting "Hold switch" in a key table (for rockblox where it is used to pause/unpause)
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11:47:50	JdGordon	hmm /me gets more and more annoyed with the wps code every time I look at it :p
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11:49:49	pixelma	n1s: hmm... thought about that this week too, when starting a zxbox.tex (e.g. the hold switch gives you the menu on Ipods there). I think "hold switch" is more accurate
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11:50:27	pixelma	than "hold" what there is now (I think, haven't checked :D )
11:50:44	n1s	I'll go ahead then :)
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11:56:07	n1s	any x5 owners have opinions about FS #8654 ? is it a useful addition?
11:58:47	k4y	where can i read about FS #8654?
11:59:14	n1s	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8654
11:59:19	k4y	thanks
11:59:33	n1s	(FS# numbers refer to our tracker)
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12:01:48	k4y	i suppose that information could be useful if you're not too familiar with the device
12:02:33	n1s	but it would be obvious to anyone who has used the player with the original firmware, no?
12:02:33	PaulJam	Isn't that information really basic knowledge that you need to operate your x5? I really doubt that any x5 orwner doesn't know how to connect it to a PC.
12:03:48	n1s	the h300 has 2 usb ports too and i don't remember anyone being confused by that
12:05:24	PaulJam	there were some, but that had other reasons, because on the US models with us firmware this port was used for MTP, so some users switching to int firmware were confused.
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12:07:28	JdGordon	pixelma: is it a valid assumption that youd use the same progressbar image allways, just display it differently?
12:09:06	k4y	n1s: i guess it would be
12:09:15	k4y	n1s: i read the original manual though :P
12:09:51	n1s	I think we should reject it then as this has nothing to do with rockbox but is a hardware thing and we don't document that stuff
12:10:00	pixelma	I think I read some reports in the forums of people who used the wrong one... shrug (the M5 doesn't have a OTG port and you can use the side port normally, without subpack. The Cowon M5 manual states that you shouldn't connect through both ports at the same time... that's basic knowledge too)
12:10:24	pixelma	JdGordon: don't know
12:11:33	JdGordon	%pb is the bitmap bar right? which tag is the old style one?
12:11:43	pixelma	no
12:13:03	pixelma	the %P tag is for loading the bitmap image, %pb shows it and you can define length and position with it and you can use this one without a progressbar bitmap and get a drawn one
12:13:21	JdGordon	arr... ok
12:15:08	JdGordon	this didnt turn out as easy as I tohught :p
12:15:16	pixelma	which I tried, all parameters of %pb are optional
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12:23:54	JdGordon	BUGGER!
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12:41:01	pixelma	JdGordon: didn' you change something in the radio screen this week?
12:41:09	pixelma	*didn't
12:41:55	JdGordon	yeah, shouldnt have been anything noticable though
12:42:03	JdGordon	why?
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12:42:34	pixelma	the OndioFM's radio screen doesn't show the prerecording time anymore
12:42:51	JdGordon	arg
12:43:17	JdGordon	put it on the tracker... im heading out in a few min
12:43:22	pixelma	this line replaced the peakmeters if you had a prerecording time set, now only the peakmeters vanish but you don't get the line
12:43:23	pixelma	ok
12:44:22	pixelma	my old revision 17631 still has it
12:45:24	JdGordon	yeah, must have missed it with that textarea->vp patch
12:46:12	pixelma	hope I'll find the time for the tracker, have to get ready to leave myself :\
12:47:39	JdGordon	unless i come back drunk tonight i should remmeber :p
12:48:12	wpyh	hi, anyone using the ipod / nano/ mini / whatever here?
12:48:18	wpyh	i've got a nano 1g
12:48:19	pixelma	hmm... works now, weird
12:48:33	wpyh	and I must say, you devs must have put a lot of thought into that scrollwheel
12:48:50	wpyh	thanks :D
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14:24:49	das-perceptron	Hi there. First of all: amiconn, thanks for fixing the iRiver LCD remote clock! Now, I still have an issue with it (FS #7278): I cannot use the volume up button on the remote as I always skip to the next directory then.
14:25:37	das-perceptron	I noticed that the bug report has been closed as it was associated with ageing remotes, but I don't think it is like this as it works with the original firmware. Is there any chance how I can help bugfixing it?
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14:58:18	JdGordon	bertrik: you havnt replied to the dev-ml thread?
14:58:43	bertrik	JdGordon: no not yet
14:58:56	JdGordon	ok, as long as ou've seen it...
14:59:09	bertrik	Removing the panic is a very reasonable fix I think
14:59:19	JdGordon	I wnder why its so bad if the event is sent if nothing is registered for it yet?
14:59:42	JdGordon	"in case anything cares... blaa has just happened"
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15:01:01	bertrik	JdGordon: sorry, I don't understand what you mean
15:01:52	JdGordon	the problem is its panicing if an event it triggered but there is no handler for it right?
15:02:14	PaulJam	Buschel: if it matters, it happens on my h300 too. (also in the uisim)
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15:04:30	bertrik	no, the problem was that the event could only be removed once. It practice it can get doubly removed: 1) automatically when the event is triggered and 2) explicitly with a call to unregister_ata_idle_func
15:04:34	Buschel	the bug is pretty sure connected to the seek buffer rework. the files are reported to stop at the end of the buffer size
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15:08:56	Buschel	PaulJam: as my build will take some more time -> is there any "codec failure" visible when the mpc files switches to next track?
15:09:59	PaulJam	no, i haven't seen anything like that. the uisim doesn't output anything unusual either.
15:11:04	Buschel	it just switches to next track? is it dependent on whether seeking to this position (or nearby) or just doing plain playback?
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15:12:24	kugel	Slasheri: Hi, have you read my message?
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15:19:36	Buschel	pauljam: hmm, when using a downloaded r17670 it does not skip when first seeking above 3:34, play back some seconds, then seeking back to before 3.34 and let it play. testing plain playback now
15:19:49	Buschel	pauljam: on a 5.5G
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15:24:58	PaulJam	Buschel: could it be the file? i only have one album in mpc.
15:25:33	Buschel	PaulJam: the bug reports says "all files" and i've heard the same of another rockbox user
15:26:02	Buschel	hmm, target dependent?
15:26:18	PaulJam	have you tried the h300 uisim?
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15:27:10	Buschel	no. gott check the ipod video sim first
15:27:16	Buschel	*gotta
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15:30:22	Buschel	pauljam: what duration are your files of?
15:31:34	PaulJam	Buschel: the two files i tested were 5:43 and 5:05
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15:35:33	Buschel	*building
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15:47:58	Buschel	pauljam: found something while reviewing. can you rebuild and test with a small change?
15:48:09	PaulJam	sure
15:48:54	Buschel	pauljam: ok. go to apps/codecs/libmusepack/mpc_decoder.c, line 1514 and comment it (d->SeekTable_Step = 1;)
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15:50:27	Buschel	great :o) my sim just finished −− checking
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15:52:23	Buschel	pauljam: good news -> sim shows the failure
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15:53:01	Buschel	looks like a out-of-bounds error that is not checked on my target
15:55:53	PaulJam	Buschel: with the change it doesn't seem to happen anymore.
15:56:46	Buschel	:o) testing sim now
15:58:23	Buschel	works
15:58:28	Buschel	bad bug :/
15:59:38	Buschel	pauljam: thanks for testing!
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16:00:19	PaulJam	you're welcome
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16:24:18	BigBambi	If you have a question, please just ask
16:24:33	*	gevaerts isn't awake yet. It's only 16:23 !
16:24:55	BigBambi	Yeah, it may be mid afternoon, but saturday precludes me being fully awake
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16:25:49	roy_	i downloaded a simulator for the toshiba gigabeat s and i know that it is unfinished but still installable, wif i install rockbox will it have all functions as the simulator or is the simulator strictly based off what it would be, not what it is now?
16:26:39	BigBambi	I haven't tried the sim, but on the build, sound works but charging does not, and battery life is not too good at the moment
16:26:49	BigBambi	most plugins are fine too
16:27:22	roy_	to charge i'd have to flip back to the original firmware? how hard is that?
16:27:33	BigBambi	you turn hold on when booting
16:27:50	roy_	does it reformat my media?
16:28:12	BigBambi	the rockbox install? Not if you do the install properly
16:28:38	BigBambi	But it can't play music put on in the OF anyway (I don't think)
16:28:59	BigBambi	Still, a backup is a good idea - the port is still young and things can always go wrong
16:29:16	roy_	rockbox can't?
16:29:18	BigBambi	If the OF decides it needs recovering (unlikely but possible), it will force a format
16:29:26	BigBambi	roy_: no, as MTP is stupid
16:29:59	roy_	yeah, tell me about it.
16:30:25	*	gevaerts tells roy_ about it
16:30:30	BigBambi	the install is a massive ball ache from anything but linux though
16:30:42	BigBambi	from linux it is pretty straightforward :)
16:30:51	BigBambi	although you will need to do some compiling
16:30:54	roy_	yeah that could be a problem without linux...
16:31:51	BigBambi	There is an installation page in the wiki, if you want to try - but we don't offer builds yet for a reason - it isn't complete, non-linux install is an arse, etc.
16:32:57	roy_	yeah i know thats why, i just barely use the player anymore and i know i would use it if it didnt run the horrible original ware
16:33:06	BigBambi	yep :)
16:33:28	roy_	but hey, thanks for your help, i'll see what i can manage.
16:33:43	BigBambi	no probs, good luck
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20:42:29	allele	quick question, has the protocol for writing plugins changed recently?
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20:50:12	kugel	allele: If you are referring to the plugin api, that changes from time to time. Why do you ask?
20:52:44	allele	a plugin I had was working until I reinstalled everything and got a fresh copy of rockbox
20:53:27	allele	I may have just made a mistake with it though, I changed something for sansa, so right now I'm compiling it for ipod nano to see if any errors turn up
20:54:27	allele	yeah for both I have conflicting types for 'plugin_start'
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21:05:35	kugel	allele: yea, the arguments are constant now (i.e. const struct plugin_api* api, const void* parameter)
21:06:01	allele	kugel: yeah I just caught that, well that seems simple enough
21:06:36	allele	my other question is are floats useable in rockbox?
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21:07:55	saratoga2	current rockbox targets have no floating point units, so using floats is generally discouraged, though in a plugin fp emulation is probably ok if you must use it
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21:08:27	saratoga2	usually though people use fixed point since its much faster then fp emulation
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21:14:41	allele	so its safe to assume a couple extra multiplications and divisions by 100 are much better than just using a float?
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21:18:22	saratoga2	allele: yes, but don't divide by 100, use shifts to divide by powers of 2 instead
21:19:08	saratoga2	for instance, instead of x/100 do (x<<7) since theres no integer division hardware on any current rockbox targets either
21:19:45	saratoga2	err x>>7 I guess
21:20:10	allele	alright
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21:26:13	drfsupercenter	You know, I thought of a feature Rockbox could add
21:26:18	drfsupercenter	The ability to change ID3 tags from the player
21:26:25	drfsupercenter	I know you can view them, and you can edit text, why not edit ID3s?
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21:33:33	saratoga2	drfsupercenter: its been requested before, see FS #5749
21:34:56	drfsupercenter	what's FS# mean
21:35:20	wpyh	FS=FlySpray I think
21:35:54	wpyh	and then do we need to edit ogg tags too?
21:36:16	BigBambi	drfsupercenter: on the left of every page are links for patches, bugs, and feature requests for flyspray, the bug tracker. Stick a FS number on the box underneath for a quick link
21:36:43	BigBambi	wpyh: If you are going to add a tag editor, it should support all tags Rockbox does IMO
21:37:05	drfsupercenter	OK
21:37:17	drfsupercenter	And hm
21:37:23	wpyh	yup, and I think that's overkill for RB
21:37:27	drfsupercenter	I installed that MIDI thing, but it keeps having buffer failures... is that a hardware problem?
21:37:30	drfsupercenter	Or too many tracks on the MIDI?
21:37:34	wpyh	I mean that feature is not needed...
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21:37:43	BigBambi	drfsupercenter: pixelma told you last night
21:37:59	drfsupercenter	Really? I don't remember
21:38:00	BigBambi	drfsupercenter: midi playback does not work so well on the Sansa's at the moment
21:38:03	drfsupercenter	Oh
21:38:47	wpyh	btw since the devs are here, I wanted to know whether new fonts will be accepted
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21:39:03	BigBambi	drfsupercenter: she also said if you want it to work well, to stick to simple tracks
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21:39:12	drfsupercenter	OK, well I don't make MIDIs
21:39:16	wpyh	There's a free Chinese font at www.wenq.org
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21:39:20	BigBambi	wpyh: If they are appropriately licensed, sure
21:39:27	drfsupercenter	There were some that worked, but ones with a bunch of tracks were epic failure
21:39:29	wpyh	and IMO it looks better than unifont
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21:39:45	BigBambi	wpyh: you could convert it to the rockbox format and stick it on the tracker, if the licence allows
21:39:56	wpyh	well, it's GPL
21:40:04	BigBambi	that'll do
21:40:06	wpyh	I'll check whether it's GPLv2 or GPLv3
21:40:11	BigBambi	ah yes
21:40:13	wpyh	OK :)
21:40:15	BigBambi	a good point
21:41:08	BigBambi	wpyh: heh, we'll have to rely on you - I have no hope with that website :)
21:41:31	wpyh	BigBambi: no prob :)
21:42:07	wpyh	Ah, the license they put on the website is GPLv2
21:42:10	wpyh	so it should be good
21:42:21	wpyh	here : http://www.wenq.org/index.cgi?GPL
21:42:22	BigBambi	yes, that is cool
21:42:41	wpyh	and here's an english version of the website: http://wqy.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/enindex.cgi
21:43:14	BigBambi	wpyh:http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreateFonts
21:44:30	wpyh	BigBambi: ok, thanks
21:45:25	wpyh	By the way, why don't we support vector fonts? (the only reason I can think of is the processing overhead)
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21:45:51	BigBambi	there you go :)
21:46:00	wpyh	oh :P
21:46:39	wpyh	ok, so if we include this Wenq font now, and they release a new version, will it be possible to update? I'm asking because this font seems to be updated quite regularly
21:46:55	wpyh	I read on the manual that "fonts rarely change.." so...
21:47:30	BigBambi	yes, sure. You just need to get the attention of a dev with commit rights to commit it, and with a font it doesn't require a huge amount of review, so shouldn't be too much of a problem
21:47:44	wpyh	OK
21:47:45	BigBambi	wpyh: they rarely change as nobody changes them :)
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21:53:29	wpyh	Hi, I've downloaded the wenquanyi-unibit font (combination of unifont, fixed and wenquanyi-bitmap-song), then ran convbdf on it
21:53:38	wpyh	But there's this warning: Warning: DWIDTH spec > max FONTBOUNDINGBOX
21:54:00	wpyh	Is this serious?
21:55:33	BigBambi	something along those lines rings a bell - I think I remember something coming up on the forums
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21:57:49	wpyh	Weird
21:58:11	wpyh	This is the "bounding box": FONTBOUNDINGBOX 16 16 0 -4
21:58:36	wpyh	And this are the two DWIDTH's available:
21:58:36	wpyh	DWIDTH 16 0
21:58:36	wpyh	DWIDTH 8 0
21:58:54	wpyh	I'd think they don't exceed the maximum FONTBOUNDINGBOX
21:58:59	BigBambi	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10984.msg83708#msg83708 might help
21:59:06	BigBambi	but I don't really know
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22:03:28	wpyh	Thanks, I read the PDF
22:04:31	wpyh	But I don't see why convbdf should issue that warning
22:04:58	BigBambi	I can't help I'm afraid, but hopefully somene who can will see the logs and answer
22:05:10	wpyh	ok :)
22:05:57	wpyh	maybe I'll just post it together with the warning message
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22:31:23	mcuelenaere	Bagder: around?
22:31:29	Bagder	yeps
22:31:53	mcuelenaere	you stated on the DevConEuro2008 wiki I should contact you regarding the hotel
22:32:02	mcuelenaere	I suppose that's the best solution for staying in Berlin?
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22:32:44	Bagder	well, "best" I don't know, but it's cheap and you'd get to enjoy our lovely company even more! ;-)
22:32:52	mcuelenaere	:)
22:32:59	mcuelenaere	well then, count me up :)
22:33:13	Bagder	ok, will you add yourself there?
22:33:20	mcuelenaere	yep, no problem
22:33:27	Bagder	(and remove the offer since we're "full" now)
22:33:30	saratoga2	Bagder: I got a bootloader build to compile for SDL, but I get no binary when its done
22:33:40	saratoga2	any suggestion what i need to do ?
22:33:53	saratoga2	i expected to get binary without the apps folder
22:34:12	saratoga2	which i guess would be fairly useless, but would at least be a start
22:34:17	Bagder	saratoga2: and you have bootoutput and boottool specified in the configure?
22:34:27	saratoga2	let me check
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22:38:07	wpyh	Anyone familiar with fonts here?
22:39:49	saratoga2	Bagder: what should boottool be for a sim build?
22:40:25	mcuelenaere	saratoga2: I would say "cp"
22:40:40	Bagder	yeps, cp should be fine I think
22:41:22	saratoga2	cp seems odd
22:41:26	saratoga2	why is it needed?
22:41:44	mcuelenaere	it copies build/apps/rockbox.bin to build/rockbox.YOURNAME
22:41:45	Bagder	only to match the current system
22:46:20	saratoga2	this gives me an executable, but running it has no effect
22:46:31	saratoga2	i expected to get at least something printed to the console or an error
22:46:49	Bagder	well, single-step with gdb or use strace to see what it does
22:48:56	saratoga2	hmm dies with "Exec format error" according to strace
22:49:28	saratoga2	perhaps I shoudl work on getting apps compiling rather then trying to do a bootloader build
22:50:35	mcuelenaere	what does readelf yield on build/apps/rockbox.elf ?
22:50:46	mcuelenaere	@saratoga2
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22:52:33	saratoga2	readelf: Error: rockbox.bin: Failed to read file header
22:52:44	saratoga2	@mcuelenaere
22:52:50	Bagder	ah yes it's probably objdump'ed already
22:52:58	mcuelenaere	no, rockbox.elf
22:53:14	mcuelenaere	normally that shouldn't be objdump'ed
22:53:25	mcuelenaere	(it wasn't when I experimented with the build system)
22:53:27	Bagder	right, the .bin is not the .elf
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22:54:19	mcuelenaere	perhaps you could even just run it? (the .elf file)
22:54:54	saratoga2	heres bootloader.elf, which is probably what you want: http://pastebin.ca/1035270
22:55:11	mcuelenaere	ah sorry, yes bootloader.elf
22:55:23	saratoga2	hmm 300 bytes
22:55:30	mcuelenaere	it doesn't seem to contain any code?
22:55:58	saratoga2	thats the only elf file i get
22:56:07	mcuelenaere	something went wrong during linking I guess
22:56:59	mcuelenaere	you could try opening librockbox.a with IDA and see if it was compiled correctly
22:57:55	mcuelenaere	(if you don't have IDA, readelf seems to also support it)
22:58:31	Bagder	well, just 'nm librockbox.a' could be a start
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22:59:04	saratoga2	librockbox.a contains a lot of functions and references to various files so i assume it compiled
22:59:41	mcuelenaere	so it went wrong during linking perhaps
22:59:53	Bagder	is there anything using the code in the .a file then?
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23:00:29	saratoga2	since theres no actual binary linking the .a file, i guess not
23:00:38	saratoga2	just the empty elf file
23:01:28	Bagder	well, bootloader.elf has it specified on the link line
23:01:48	Bagder	thus if anything used one of the functions in there, that object file should be used
23:02:08	saratoga2	I'm not sure i follow
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23:02:44	Bagder	saratoga2: I think the problem is just that you have no code in SOURCES that gets used for your build
23:02:51	Bagder	in bootloader/
23:02:57	saratoga2	yes thats true
23:03:02	mcuelenaere	:)
23:03:49	saratoga2	so I'd need something like "ipod.c" or whatever for SDL
23:03:53	Bagder	yes
23:04:05	Bagder	a main() with some basic stuff in it
23:04:16	saratoga2	ah did not notice main was in there
23:04:26	saratoga2	the bootloader has printf right?
23:04:49	Bagder	I'm not sure exactly how universal that is
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23:05:02	Bagder	but yes, there is a printf() in there
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23:11:41	saratoga2	adding a main() function causes bootloader.elf to be 75KB and contain a lot of functions when i use readelf, however rockbox.bin still isn't executable
23:11:47	saratoga2	its just 24 bytes
23:11:58	Bagder	is the elf one executable?
23:12:39	saratoga2	Killed
23:12:43	saratoga2	yes, actually, and it prints "Killed"
23:12:57	saratoga2	rather then the Hello World I'd put in main()
23:13:34	Bagder	the .bin file is the elf file converted with objdump and that won't work for the sim
23:13:49	mcuelenaere	for fixing that, use the ZVM way and define USE_ELF="yes"
23:13:52	mcuelenaere	in tools/configure
23:14:29	Bagder	mcuelenaere: that's not used for the bootloader...
23:14:46	Bagder	but I guess it could be made to
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23:15:38	saratoga2	just so i understand, typically the binrary is compiled in elf and then converted with objdump somehwo for use as bootloader?
23:15:50	Bagder	yes
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23:16:21	Bagder	the bin is then typically converted into the final output using a particular tool
23:16:39	saratoga2	and USE_ELF will jsut tell it to keep the bootloader.elf file as the binary?
23:16:44	*	linuxstb_ wonders why an SDL target would need a bootloader
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23:16:47	mcuelenaere	Bagder: you're right about the USE_ELF, bootloader/Makefile has to be adjusted in order to do this
23:17:03	saratoga2	linuxstb: ask JdGordon :)
23:17:10	mcuelenaere	linuxstb: it's just for testing purposes I presume
23:17:24	saratoga2	he thought it'd be an easier way to get the target tree stuff tested without having to worry about apps initially
23:18:49	Bagder	I think a better approach is to simply ifdef out a lot of the code you want to wait with from SOURCES
23:18:52	wpyh	BigBambi: I've created a new task: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9059
23:18:56	Bagder	in apps
23:19:20	wpyh	Would someone with commit permission please review it?
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23:21:17	saratoga2	Bagder: thats easy enough I suppose
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23:38:06	wpyh	By the way, any ideas how to convert pcf to bdf cleanly?
23:38:37	wpyh	I saw somewhere on the net that pcf2bdf "generates irresponsible values for FONTBOUNDINGBOX"
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23:42:55	wpyh	Never mind, I found the bdf sources :)
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23:48:37	wpyh	Hi all, is there any way to attach large attachments on the tracker?
23:49:50	wpyh	I want to attach a font that is 5 MB (compressed), so it exceeds the 2 MB attachment limit
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23:52:00	bluebrother	I don't think so
23:52:56	wpyh	Well, then, any ideas how to submit such a font?
23:53:15	bluebrother	sure ... post a link to some site were you uploaded it ;-)
23:53:19	wpyh	It's huge because it contains 4 different point sizes
23:53:27	wpyh	And for both regular and bold
23:53:30	wpyh	Oh, ok
23:53:40	bluebrother	can't you just attach the different versions individually?
23:53:48	wpyh	Would the original website be accepted? They are hosting it at SF
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23:54:06	bluebrother	I can't think of any reason why this wouldn't acceptable.
23:54:25	wpyh	bluebrother: do you mean attach the individual font files as per point size?
23:54:48	bluebrother	yes −− or is it a single file containing several sizes?
23:54:49	wpyh	I'm new to FS, so I don't know whether the limit is a total limit or an individual-attachment limit
23:55:20	wpyh	It's multiple files: total of 8 files, with 4 point sizes and then regular and bold versions
23:55:29	bluebrother	well, I never tried attaching that large files so I don't know. But my guess is that it's per attachment.
23:55:33	wpyh	OK
23:55:49	wpyh	I think I'd also post a link to the original website
23:55:54	wpyh	Thanks :)
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23:57:05	bluebrother	a link to the original website is always a good thing IMO
23:58:52	wpyh	OK

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