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#rockbox log for 2008-05-31

00:00:11drfsupercenterpixelma, Yeah, but what about the volume?
00:00:19drfsupercenterBeing able to control volume in the menus would be nice...
00:00:28BigBambidrfsupercenter: there aren't any free keys for that
00:00:35pixelmaon the c200 you are (still)
00:00:37drfsupercenterand hmm, Every time I run FreeDoom, it freezes.
00:00:41drfsupercenterAnd I have to resort to yanking the battery out
00:00:45pixelmanot with my changes though
00:00:46BigBambino you don't
00:00:47drfsupercenterIs there some bug that makes Doom freeze?
00:00:56BigBambihold power for up to 30 seconds
00:01:02BigBambiit is a hardware power off
00:01:11drfsupercenterI held it for a really long time, it didn't seem to work
00:01:17drfsupercenterBut that's not the point... why's it always crash?
00:01:20drfsupercenterIs that a bug in the code/
00:01:22BigBambidid you time up to 30 seconds
00:01:27pixelmaI've heard a few reports of doom freeze when run in rotated mode
00:01:28drfsupercenterNo. But it was more tha 10
00:01:33drfsupercenterYeah, and I run it in rotated mode
00:01:42BigBambidrfsupercenter: I don't know - no devs really care about doom
00:01:43drfsupercenterwhy would you not run it in rotated mode, LOL, you get so frickin stretched out that way
00:01:53drfsupercenter(and I'm a Zune user so I'm used to rotating screens)_
00:01:56BigBambiMost devs consider audio functionality more important
00:02:23drfsupercenterOK, I'm in Recovery Mode
00:02:26drfsupercenterdo I just copy firmware.mi4?
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00:02:56gevaertsAlso pribootLoader.rom
00:03:09drfsupercenterdo I need the font one?
00:03:45gevaertsYou can copy it, but I don't think it's really needed.
00:04:11drfsupercenterI won't bother then
00:04:28midgeyBagder: did you see my latest patch?
00:04:31drfsupercenter(Ultimately, I only use rockbox so I don't care... I just can't stand it being in MTP mode and having to use a friend's computer to transfer music)
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00:05:53drfsupercenteryay, it works
00:06:10drfsupercenterNow I have to reinstall Rockbox?
00:06:24gevaertsJust the bootloader
00:06:36drfsupercenterGood, I spent 15 minutes setting the settings LOL
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00:08:25drfsupercenterOh, another question
00:08:38*BigBambi hopes it isn't in the manual
00:08:41drfsupercenteron my e200, I tried to play some midis but it says I need to install the instruments... where do I get those from?
00:09:51drfsupercenterWhat, is that in the manual?
00:10:00*gevaerts checks
00:10:03BigBambier, I thought so, but I'm just checking :)
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00:11:03*BigBambi apologises
00:11:42BigBambidrfsupercenter: my apologies, check out
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00:12:43drfsupercenter.tbz2? Is that some compressed format?
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00:13:15drfsupercenterwoah 21MB, that's huge...
00:16:12pixelmamidis don't play too well on the targets with portalplayer CPU (like the v1 Sansas). Only simple ones, not too complex and only a few instruments are ok
00:17:36drfsupercentertesting with the Sansa, heh
00:17:42drfsupercenterand I gotta go, thanks for the help guys
00:17:50drfsupercenterI'll probably have more questions later :)
00:18:18drfsupercenterBut I gotta say, I'm really impressed with Rockbox, it's at least 10x better than the original firmware (and the fact that it lets you access the filesystem and change stuff like the button light make it even better)
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00:23:10mcuelenaereanyone against comitting this (touchscreen improvement) ?
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02:42:53kugelSlasheri: Ping. It would be nice if you can take a look at FS #7287
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03:19:02ctafI want to port rockbox on a creative zen
03:19:15ctafsmbdy has information or work on it already?
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03:32:41secleinteerhi, does anyone know if a rockbox port for the creative zen is being worked on?
03:32:59secleinteeri saw some stuff about a port for the zen vision m being worked on, but nothing about the creative zen
03:41:15ctafi asked the same question 2 line above
03:41:33ctafi'am interested in porting rockbox on it
03:42:10ctafsomebody successfully uploaded a slightly modified firmware on it
03:42:24ctafit's a good thing to start hacking on it
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04:03:07advcomp2019ctaf and secleinteer, the best bet is to go on the forums and look there
04:03:25ctafthere is a thread on the forum
04:03:27ctafabout that
04:03:56advcomp2019yea there is
04:04:46secleinteerctaf: can you give me a link?
04:05:04secleinteeri'd like to help out in porting it as well
04:05:31ctafi'am creating a target in rockbox currently
04:06:06ctafit seems the cpu is not supported by rockbox it's a stmp3760
04:06:15ctafbut there are stmp35xx that are supported
04:06:25ctafthere is a page on the wiki too
04:07:14wpyhctaf: I thought the STMP35xx are not supported
04:07:29wpyhctaf: because there's no recent enough compiler for it
04:08:26ctafand for the stmp3700?
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04:19:41wpyhI don't know but there's a compiler for the STMP36xx:
04:30:37ctafI found the LCD hourra
04:30:43ctafit's a sansung
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04:33:40ctafouch I forget to verify
04:33:57ctafbut maybe the 3700 series is not supported by arm-elf-gcc
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04:45:46wpyhI don't know, but maybe you can check :)
04:46:05secleinteerctaf: so the compiler's only made by sigmatel?
04:46:16secleinteerno chance of a 3rd party writing one?
04:46:22ctafi dont know enough
04:46:36ctafgcc may support it, but the cpu is really recent
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04:47:08secleinteerso the 3600 and 3500 series's support is from sigmatel, righT?
04:47:29secleinteerthen maybe they will release the 3700 some time soon
04:48:07ctafthey sell a sdk to make mp3 player for 12000$
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04:48:13secleinteerthis one was released last september, so they may make it yet
04:48:13ctaffor the 3700
04:48:17ctafyes I hope
04:48:23secleinteerthat's some bull
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04:48:28secleinteerwhat's it called?
04:48:37secleinteerthe sdk
04:49:02ctafa compiler and sample of a mp3 player including mp3 codec and GUI
04:49:15ctafwe need spec for each component too
04:49:18secleinteerno, no, is there a commercial name for it?
04:49:20ctafthey seem hard to find
04:49:30ctafi dont know
04:49:43ctafbut i want it if you find it :-)
04:49:43secleinteeri could acquire it if i knew the name
04:49:57secleinteerjust need that name, and i will tell you whether it's available
04:50:11ctafgoogle it
04:50:13secleinteeranywho, can't you just pull the player apart to check out the specs?
04:50:15secleinteerya i'm going o
04:50:20ctafit dont remember where i saw it
04:50:32ctafthe pdf spec
04:51:04ctafi have the lcd and cpu sn
04:51:21ctafbut i need the spec to do a sample test program
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04:51:50ctafand a fucking compiler
04:51:53secleinteerdoesn't look like there's anything on first glance
04:51:58secleinteerif it's called stmp3700
04:52:09ctafbut maybe gcc will to the work
04:52:16secleinteeryou said no support?
04:52:22ctafI dont think it's called like that
04:52:26ctafI dont say so
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04:52:34secleinteerk i'm sitll looking
04:52:47secleinteernothing with 'sigmatel' in the name
04:53:07ctafbut maybe there is no optimisation for that proc but the generated binary will work though
04:53:21ctafLMS250GF03 ?
04:53:24secleinteerhow much of a performance loss?
04:53:29secleinteerwhat's that?
04:53:33ctafwe dont care at first
04:53:35ctafthe lcd
04:53:39ctafI really need the spec
04:53:44secleinteerfor the whole thing?
04:54:04ctafto know how it work
04:54:07secleinteercheck newegg? ;p
04:54:20secleinteerdamn, they don't have shit on this
04:54:35ctaf(i'am not a native english spoker, i dont understood the joke, too bad)
04:55:02secleinteerlol kk
04:55:27secleinteernewegg's a US site for buying tech stuff, they have 'specs' on each item they sell
04:55:36secleinteerit'd be the first place i'd check
04:56:16secleinteeri already looked lol
04:56:22secleinteer^^ " <secleinteer> damn, they don't have shit on this"
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04:56:58secleinteerdo you have one of these already?
04:57:13ctafby spec I mean something like that:
04:57:54secleinteeryeah, i know, that's what the ";p" was for
04:58:15ctafnow I understand
04:59:51ctaffuck it doesnt sound like a simple task
05:01:04secleinteerofc it isn't
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05:01:25secleinteermaking an OS for a hardware spec that's too new to have much support
05:01:34secleinteerlook at the ipod's
05:01:37secleinteerand their rockbox support
05:01:46secleinteerdespite all the people interested
05:01:53secleinteerit's still buggy
05:03:56ctafi dont really know the state on the ipod
05:04:05secleinteerit's ok, but there are problems
05:04:11secleinteerleast when i tried it out a while back
05:04:18ctafbut porting to new hardware is always hard
05:04:36secleinteernow that my ipod's backlight is dead and i'm never going to touch another apple product, this creative looks real nice
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05:08:12ctaf_i 'am tired
05:08:18ctaf_i am going sleeping
05:08:20ctaf_good night
05:09:58ctaf_oups was here at first to have write access on the wiki, to add some information on the creative zen
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05:10:10secleinteeralright, cya
05:10:13ctaf_somebody could set them form me?
05:10:24ctaf_i must go
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06:59:15woodensoulHello everyone. I turned my cousin on to Rockbox and recommended that he consider the iPod 5G since it can be Rockboxed. However, of all the targets I own, I use my iPod 5G the least because the builds have been very unstable for a long time. I'd like to get a stable build for him since he's not very technically inclined. Basically I just want no lockups and stable playback. Does anyone around know a very stable build
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09:54:46*J-23 compiles RB from SVN...
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10:03:34JdGordonevening all
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10:16:01JdGordonpixelma: hey, any chance you could have a look at fixing cabbiev2 to work with FS #9027 (conditional viewports) sometime this weekend please?
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10:20:16*amiconn is playing Kung Fu in ZXBox on his Archos recorder :)
10:20:34pixelmaJdGordon: probably not - I also wouldn't know what to "fix" there. But I had a play with the patch and it has redraw problems - when one of the viewports changes, sometimes neighbouring vanish too (or content in it). If fixes itself, when a complete screen redraw is needed (e.g. on track change) - I also saw this effect when only the condition is checked (without actually using a different viewport then)
10:21:12JdGordoncan you reply to the task wit ht e naughty wps?
10:21:14pixelmawanted to prepare a comment with screenshots for the tracker anyway, but that'll take a bit of time
10:21:30JdGordoncabbiev2 is the only one using the %m tag which I want to remove
10:21:59JdGordonalthough, maybe i can just fiddle with the viewport instead of removeing the tag complaetly
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10:22:25pixelmaI also thought about that - but the withdraw of it is that the number of viewports is limited
10:22:58linuxstb__JdGordon: When do you want to commit that patch to remove the margins?
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10:23:12JdGordonviewports arnt all that expensvie.. doubling isnt a big deal
10:23:17JdGordonlinuxstb: when its finished :p
10:23:39JdGordonthe rec screen has issues whihc need to be addressed first
10:23:47linuxstbJdGordon: IMO we should wait - to give people a chance to change all the WPSs that use %m.
10:24:02linuxstbIt would be a bad thing to suddenly break most WPSs...
10:24:47JdGordonyes, but the %m was really put in as more of a hack to make people less reliant on patches...
10:25:40JdGordonso its not a big deal pulling it out because is wasnt meant as a permanent solution
10:26:07JdGordonregardless.. that patch cant be commited yet anyway
10:26:09linuxstbI disagree.
10:26:36JdGordonyou'd be upset if the tag disappeared?
10:26:53linuxstbNo, but 99% of users will be complaining their WPSes no longer work..
10:28:25JdGordonok, so ill put a curtosy email on the mailing lists
10:28:35linuxstbIMO, the firstly there needs to be a usable replacement (such as your conditional viewports patch), then we advertise %m as deprecated and give people time to migrate WPSs, then we remove it.
10:28:45JdGordonof course...
10:28:57JdGordon9027 depends on cond vp's which isnt ready yet also
10:29:40pixelmaJdGordon: another problem I had: I wanted to have a shorter progressbar when album art is displayed and prepared 2 viewports and only used the progressbar tag in it. Thought when it uses one or the other viewport the progressbar (length) would change accordingly but this doesn't seem to work. Mostly it uses the longer one, I saw the shorter one once when the condition wasn't even true. I checked that the %pb tag uses the viewport width when not sp
10:29:53JdGordonI'd like to get it all done in the next week though, week after that I have exams, then holiday, i dont have anything on this week
10:31:10JdGordonpixelma: that might be a problem with the longer viewpoert isnt cleared so you need to put another vp there showing blank (of have the shorter one the whole width, but set the pb shorter
10:32:11pixelmathere is a shorter one above it, I made sure that the whole screen is always covered without overlaps
10:33:05pixelmaI can't make the progressbar shorter because you can't use it conditionally
10:33:34*JdGordon needs screenshots and/or the .wps
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10:37:46JdGordonchanging topics.. what does everyone think about 9053? mouting the sd cards using their volume name instead of <microSD1>
10:39:25pixelmathe .wps is quite complicated because I wanted to test whether my idea worked. I started with only setting up the viewports using different background colours and without content and still have that file (already shows the vanishing neighbour vps though with content the problem changes a little depending on whether the content needs a redraw anyway, like scrolling lines). I think I'm going to attach all I got... I'd like to test the progressbar th
10:40:06JdGordonyou got cut off... "the progresbar th"
10:40:21pixelmaprogressbar thing in a simpler setup but that'll need some more time...
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10:47:26linuxstbpixelma: Ignoring conditional viewports, can you have two progress bars, in different viewports?
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10:47:57pixelmahmm... haven't checked. I probably should try that first
10:49:25pixelmaI guess that could be the problem
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11:11:34JdGordonpixelma: a problem how
11:13:23pixelmaaren't the viewports all existent at any time, just some hidden and some visible?
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11:17:55pixelmaseems you can have 2 progressbars at the same time but only at the dimensions of the first one, in different viewports you'll get the same progressbars at 2 different spots
11:18:38pixelmathat's tested with an SVN sim
11:19:31JdGordonah, that sounds like a fairly likyl issue
11:19:48JdGordonmight have to move the progress bar info into the viewport struct
11:20:34pixelmaI guess the code is probably not prepared to draw differently (advancing differently etc.)?
11:20:40*JdGordon thought you were answering my q on that volume mounting patch :p
11:21:18amiconnPutting the progress bar struct into the viewport would be bad imo
11:22:09amiconn(1) You would be reserving memory for something that's only needed in the wps. (2) It's inflexible. Who says you cannot have more than 1 progress bar per viewport?
11:22:10pixelmaabout the volume mounting patch... the idea is fairly old and I remember some discussions about it (maybe not here) but don't remember the outcome...
11:22:45JdGordonamiconn: no... the wps viewport struict isnt the same as a regular vp struct
11:23:04JdGordonwps { viewport { strct viewport, other stuff.... } }
11:23:07amiconnThe viewport drawing code should be pretty much stateless, so I'd expect this problem to be repairable there
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11:24:00pixelmaamiconn: I believe you were restricted to one progressbar in the screen before viewports
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11:28:29JdGordonyep, wps only lets you have 1 progress bar atm
11:28:40JdGordoneach %pb tag overwrites the previous
11:28:46linuxstbJdGordon: IMO it would be wasteful to store the progressbar parameters in the viewport struct. Maybe they could just be stored in the token array.
11:29:58JdGordonyeah, how many would we ever want? 2? 3? we could store them seperalty and store an index into an array of them in the token value...
11:29:59linuxstbAlthough I'm not sure....
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11:31:40JdGordonill put a patch together quickly... shouldnt be difficult
11:32:15*pixelma wondered about viewports helping the progressbar handling (x-, y-position, length) in general but in the end thought it could be problematic in case the rest of the WPS only uses the "default viewport"
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11:32:47pixelmathough that's only my current understanding of it...
11:35:29n1spixelma: quick manual opinion: what do you think of putting "Hold switch" "do something" in a button table?
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11:43:17pixelman1s: not sure what you mean... btw. just wanted to tell you about your commit that I didn't manage to use that button combo but reading the task, it seems possible with lots of practise....
11:43:51n1spixelma: that button combo is the one in the keymap in the code at least
11:44:00pixelmaI know
11:44:15pixelmaI changed that in my keymap patch ;)
11:44:47n1sabout the hold thing I meant putting "Hold switch" in a key table (for rockblox where it is used to pause/unpause)
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11:47:50JdGordonhmm /me gets more and more annoyed with the wps code every time I look at it :p
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11:49:49pixelman1s: hmm... thought about that this week too, when starting a zxbox.tex (e.g. the hold switch gives you the menu on Ipods there). I think "hold switch" is more accurate
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11:50:27pixelmathan "hold" what there is now (I think, haven't checked :D )
11:50:44n1sI'll go ahead then :)
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11:56:07n1sany x5 owners have opinions about FS #8654 ? is it a useful addition?
11:58:47k4ywhere can i read about FS #8654?
11:59:33n1s(FS# numbers refer to our tracker)
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12:01:48k4yi suppose that information could be useful if you're not too familiar with the device
12:02:33n1sbut it would be obvious to anyone who has used the player with the original firmware, no?
12:02:33PaulJamIsn't that information really basic knowledge that you need to operate your x5? I really doubt that any x5 orwner doesn't know how to connect it to a PC.
12:03:48n1sthe h300 has 2 usb ports too and i don't remember anyone being confused by that
12:05:24PaulJamthere were some, but that had other reasons, because on the US models with us firmware this port was used for MTP, so some users switching to int firmware were confused.
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12:07:28JdGordonpixelma: is it a valid assumption that youd use the same progressbar image allways, just display it differently?
12:09:06k4yn1s: i guess it would be
12:09:15k4yn1s: i read the original manual though :P
12:09:51n1sI think we should reject it then as this has nothing to do with rockbox but is a hardware thing and we don't document that stuff
12:10:00pixelmaI think I read some reports in the forums of people who used the wrong one... *shrug* (the M5 doesn't have a OTG port and you can use the side port normally, without subpack. The Cowon M5 manual states that you shouldn't connect through both ports at the same time... that's basic knowledge too)
12:10:24pixelmaJdGordon: don't know
12:11:33JdGordon%pb is the bitmap bar right? which tag is the old style one?
12:13:03pixelmathe %P tag is for loading the bitmap image, %pb shows it and you can define length and position with it and you can use this one without a progressbar bitmap and get a drawn one
12:13:21JdGordonarr... ok
12:15:08JdGordonthis didnt turn out as easy as I tohught :p
12:15:16pixelmawhich I tried, all parameters of %pb are optional
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12:41:01pixelmaJdGordon: didn' you change something in the radio screen this week?
12:41:55JdGordonyeah, shouldnt have been anything noticable though
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12:42:34pixelmathe OndioFM's radio screen doesn't show the prerecording time anymore
12:43:17JdGordonput it on the tracker... im heading out in a few min
12:43:22pixelmathis line replaced the peakmeters if you had a prerecording time set, now only the peakmeters vanish but you don't get the line
12:44:22pixelmamy old revision 17631 still has it
12:45:24JdGordonyeah, must have missed it with that textarea->vp patch
12:46:12pixelmahope I'll find the time for the tracker, have to get ready to leave myself :\
12:47:39JdGordonunless i come back drunk tonight i should remmeber :p
12:48:12wpyhhi, anyone using the ipod / nano/ mini / whatever here?
12:48:18wpyhi've got a nano 1g
12:48:19pixelmahmm... works now, weird
12:48:33wpyhand I must say, you devs must have put a lot of thought into that scrollwheel
12:48:50wpyhthanks :D
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12:56:31pixelmaJdGordon: seems you don't have to remember this, have fun drinking :P
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14:24:49das-perceptronHi there. First of all: amiconn, thanks for fixing the iRiver LCD remote clock! Now, I still have an issue with it (FS #7278): I cannot use the volume up button on the remote as I *always* skip to the next directory then.
14:25:37das-perceptronI noticed that the bug report has been closed as it was associated with ageing remotes, but I don't think it is like this as it works with the original firmware. Is there any chance how I can help bugfixing it?
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14:58:18JdGordonbertrik: you havnt replied to the dev-ml thread?
14:58:43bertrikJdGordon: no not yet
14:58:56JdGordonok, as long as ou've seen it...
14:59:09bertrikRemoving the panic is a very reasonable fix I think
14:59:19JdGordonI wnder why its so bad if the event is sent if nothing is registered for it yet?
14:59:42JdGordon"in case anything cares... blaa has just happened"
15:00:59*Buschel is puzzled by fs#9054...
15:01:01bertrikJdGordon: sorry, I don't understand what you mean
15:01:52JdGordonthe problem is its panicing if an event it triggered but there is no handler for it right?
15:02:14PaulJamBuschel: if it matters, it happens on my h300 too. (also in the uisim)
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15:02:58Buschelhmm, i _really_ thought i had the latest mpc-changes on my ipod during vacation. this bug does not appear with my version.
15:03:10*Buschel does a clean build against headrevision now
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15:04:30bertrikno, the problem was that the event could only be removed once. It practice it can get doubly removed: 1) automatically when the event is triggered and 2) explicitly with a call to unregister_ata_idle_func
15:04:34Buschelthe bug is pretty sure connected to the seek buffer rework. the files are reported to stop at the end of the buffer size
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15:08:56BuschelPaulJam: as my build will take some more time -> is there any "codec failure" visible when the mpc files switches to next track?
15:09:59PaulJamno, i haven't seen anything like that. the uisim doesn't output anything unusual either.
15:11:04Buschelit just switches to next track? is it dependent on whether seeking to this position (or nearby) or just doing plain playback?
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15:11:38PaulJamhmm, there seems to be a splash at the track transition, but it is way too fast to read it.
15:12:24kugelSlasheri: Hi, have you read my message?
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15:19:36Buschelpauljam: hmm, when using a downloaded r17670 it does not skip when first seeking above 3:34, play back some seconds, then seeking back to before 3.34 and let it play. testing plain playback now
15:19:49Buschelpauljam: on a 5.5G
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15:22:27Buschelpauljam: still doesn't skip at 3:34
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15:24:58PaulJamBuschel: could it be the file? i only have one album in mpc.
15:25:33BuschelPaulJam: the bug reports says "all files" and i've heard the same of another rockbox user
15:26:02Buschelhmm, target dependent?
15:26:18PaulJamhave you tried the h300 uisim?
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15:27:10Buschelno. gott check the ipod video sim first
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15:30:22Buschelpauljam: what duration are your files of?
15:31:34PaulJamBuschel: the two files i tested were 5:43 and 5:05
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15:47:58Buschelpauljam: found something while reviewing. can you rebuild and test with a small change?
15:48:54Buschelpauljam: ok. go to apps/codecs/libmusepack/mpc_decoder.c, line 1514 and comment it (d->SeekTable_Step = 1;)
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15:50:13PaulJamok, building
15:50:27Buschelgreat :o) my sim just finished −− checking
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15:52:23Buschelpauljam: good news -> sim shows the failure
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15:53:01Buschellooks like a out-of-bounds error that is not checked on my target
15:55:53PaulJamBuschel: with the change it doesn't seem to happen anymore.
15:56:46Buschel:o) testing sim now
15:58:28Buschelbad bug :/
15:59:38Buschelpauljam: thanks for testing!
16:00:19PaulJamyou're welcome
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16:24:18BigBambiIf you have a question, please just ask
16:24:33*gevaerts isn't awake yet. It's only 16:23 !
16:24:55BigBambiYeah, it may be mid afternoon, but saturday precludes me being fully awake
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16:25:49roy_i downloaded a simulator for the toshiba gigabeat s and i know that it is unfinished but still installable, wif i install rockbox will it have all functions as the simulator or is the simulator strictly based off what it would be, not what it is now?
16:26:39BigBambiI haven't tried the sim, but on the build, sound works but charging does not, and battery life is not too good at the moment
16:26:49BigBambimost plugins are fine too
16:27:22roy_to charge i'd have to flip back to the original firmware? how hard is that?
16:27:33BigBambiyou turn hold on when booting
16:27:50roy_does it reformat my media?
16:28:12BigBambithe rockbox install? Not if you do the install properly
16:28:38BigBambiBut it can't play music put on in the OF anyway (I don't think)
16:28:59BigBambiStill, a backup is a good idea - the port is still young and things can always go wrong
16:29:16roy_rockbox can't?
16:29:18BigBambiIf the OF decides it needs recovering (unlikely but possible), it will force a format
16:29:26BigBambiroy_: no, as MTP is stupid
16:29:59roy_yeah, tell me about it.
16:30:25*gevaerts tells roy_ about it
16:30:30BigBambithe install is a massive ball ache from anything but linux though
16:30:42BigBambifrom linux it is pretty straightforward :)
16:30:51BigBambialthough you will need to do some compiling
16:30:54roy_yeah that could be a problem without linux...
16:31:51BigBambiThere is an installation page in the wiki, if you want to try - but we don't offer builds yet for a reason - it isn't complete, non-linux install is an arse, etc.
16:32:57roy_yeah i know thats why, i just barely use the player anymore and i know i would use it if it didnt run the horrible original ware
16:33:06BigBambiyep :)
16:33:28roy_but hey, thanks for your help, i'll see what i can manage.
16:33:43BigBambino probs, good luck
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20:42:29allelequick question, has the protocol for writing plugins changed recently?
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20:50:12kugelallele: If you are referring to the plugin api, that changes from time to time. Why do you ask?
20:52:44allelea plugin I had was working until I reinstalled everything and got a fresh copy of rockbox
20:53:27alleleI may have just made a mistake with it though, I changed something for sansa, so right now I'm compiling it for ipod nano to see if any errors turn up
20:54:27alleleyeah for both I have conflicting types for 'plugin_start'
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21:05:35kugelallele: yea, the arguments are constant now (i.e. const struct plugin_api* api, const void* parameter)
21:06:01allelekugel: yeah I just caught that, well that seems simple enough
21:06:36allelemy other question is are floats useable in rockbox?
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21:07:55saratoga2current rockbox targets have no floating point units, so using floats is generally discouraged, though in a plugin fp emulation is probably ok if you must use it
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21:08:27saratoga2usually though people use fixed point since its much faster then fp emulation
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21:14:41alleleso its safe to assume a couple extra multiplications and divisions by 100 are much better than just using a float?
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21:18:22saratoga2allele: yes, but don't divide by 100, use shifts to divide by powers of 2 instead
21:19:08saratoga2for instance, instead of x/100 do (x<<7) since theres no integer division hardware on any current rockbox targets either
21:19:45saratoga2err x>>7 I guess
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21:26:13drfsupercenterYou know, I thought of a feature Rockbox could add
21:26:18drfsupercenterThe ability to change ID3 tags from the player
21:26:25drfsupercenterI know you can view them, and you can edit text, why not edit ID3s?
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21:33:33saratoga2drfsupercenter: its been requested before, see FS #5749
21:34:56drfsupercenterwhat's FS# mean
21:35:20wpyhFS=FlySpray I think
21:35:54wpyhand then do we need to edit ogg tags too?
21:36:16BigBambidrfsupercenter: on the left of every page are links for patches, bugs, and feature requests for flyspray, the bug tracker. Stick a FS number on the box underneath for a quick link
21:36:43BigBambiwpyh: If you are going to add a tag editor, it should support all tags Rockbox does IMO
21:37:17drfsupercenterAnd hm
21:37:23wpyhyup, and I think that's overkill for RB
21:37:27drfsupercenterI installed that MIDI thing, but it keeps having buffer failures... is that a hardware problem?
21:37:30drfsupercenterOr too many tracks on the MIDI?
21:37:34wpyhI mean that feature is not needed...
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21:37:43BigBambidrfsupercenter: pixelma told you last night
21:37:59drfsupercenterReally? I don't remember
21:38:00BigBambidrfsupercenter: midi playback does not work so well on the Sansa's at the moment
21:38:47wpyhbtw since the devs are here, I wanted to know whether new fonts will be accepted
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21:39:03BigBambidrfsupercenter: she also said if you want it to work well, to stick to simple tracks
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21:39:12drfsupercenterOK, well I don't make MIDIs
21:39:16wpyhThere's a free Chinese font at
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21:39:20BigBambiwpyh: If they are appropriately licensed, sure
21:39:27drfsupercenterThere were some that worked, but ones with a bunch of tracks were epic failure
21:39:29wpyhand IMO it looks better than unifont
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21:39:45BigBambiwpyh: you could convert it to the rockbox format and stick it on the tracker, if the licence allows
21:39:56wpyhwell, it's GPL
21:40:04BigBambithat'll do
21:40:06wpyhI'll check whether it's GPLv2 or GPLv3
21:40:11BigBambiah yes
21:40:13wpyhOK :)
21:40:15BigBambia good point
21:41:08BigBambiwpyh: heh, we'll have to rely on you - I have no hope with that website :)
21:41:31wpyhBigBambi: no prob :)
21:42:07wpyhAh, the license they put on the website is GPLv2
21:42:10wpyhso it should be good
21:42:21wpyhhere :
21:42:22BigBambiyes, that is cool
21:42:41wpyhand here's an english version of the website:
21:44:30wpyhBigBambi: ok, thanks
21:45:25wpyhBy the way, why don't we support vector fonts? (the only reason I can think of is the processing overhead)
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21:45:51BigBambithere you go :)
21:46:00wpyhoh :P
21:46:39wpyhok, so if we include this Wenq font now, and they release a new version, will it be possible to update? I'm asking because this font seems to be updated quite regularly
21:46:55wpyhI read on the manual that "fonts rarely change.." so...
21:47:30BigBambiyes, sure. You just need to get the attention of a dev with commit rights to commit it, and with a font it doesn't require a huge amount of review, so shouldn't be too much of a problem
21:47:45BigBambiwpyh: they rarely change as nobody changes them :)
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21:53:29wpyhHi, I've downloaded the wenquanyi-unibit font (combination of unifont, fixed and wenquanyi-bitmap-song), then ran convbdf on it
21:53:38wpyhBut there's this warning: Warning: DWIDTH spec > max FONTBOUNDINGBOX
21:54:00wpyhIs this serious?
21:55:33BigBambisomething along those lines rings a bell - I think I remember something coming up on the forums
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21:58:11wpyhThis is the "bounding box": FONTBOUNDINGBOX 16 16 0 -4
21:58:36wpyhAnd this are the two DWIDTH's available:
21:58:36wpyhDWIDTH 16 0
21:58:36wpyhDWIDTH 8 0
21:58:54wpyhI'd think they don't exceed the maximum FONTBOUNDINGBOX
21:58:59BigBambi might help
21:59:06BigBambibut I don't really know
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22:03:28wpyhThanks, I read the PDF
22:04:31wpyhBut I don't see why convbdf should issue that warning
22:04:58BigBambiI can't help I'm afraid, but hopefully somene who can will see the logs and answer
22:05:10wpyhok :)
22:05:57wpyhmaybe I'll just post it together with the warning message
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22:31:23mcuelenaereBagder: around?
22:31:53mcuelenaereyou stated on the DevConEuro2008 wiki I should contact you regarding the hotel
22:32:02mcuelenaereI suppose that's the best solution for staying in Berlin?
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22:32:44Bagderwell, "best" I don't know, but it's cheap and you'd get to enjoy our lovely company even more! ;-)
22:32:59mcuelenaerewell then, count me up :)
22:33:13Bagderok, will you add yourself there?
22:33:20mcuelenaereyep, no problem
22:33:27Bagder(and remove the offer since we're "full" now)
22:33:30saratoga2Bagder: I got a bootloader build to compile for SDL, but I get no binary when its done
22:33:40saratoga2any suggestion what i need to do ?
22:33:53saratoga2i expected to get binary without the apps folder
22:34:12saratoga2which i guess would be fairly useless, but would at least be a start
22:34:17Bagdersaratoga2: and you have bootoutput and boottool specified in the configure?
22:34:27saratoga2let me check
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22:38:07wpyhAnyone familiar with fonts here?
22:39:49saratoga2Bagder: what should boottool be for a sim build?
22:40:25mcuelenaeresaratoga2: I would say "cp"
22:40:40Bagderyeps, cp should be fine I think
22:41:22saratoga2cp seems odd
22:41:26saratoga2why is it needed?
22:41:44mcuelenaereit copies build/apps/rockbox.bin to build/rockbox.YOURNAME
22:41:45Bagderonly to match the current system
22:46:20saratoga2this gives me an executable, but running it has no effect
22:46:31saratoga2i expected to get at least something printed to the console or an error
22:46:49Bagderwell, single-step with gdb or use strace to see what it does
22:48:56saratoga2hmm dies with "Exec format error" according to strace
22:49:28saratoga2perhaps I shoudl work on getting apps compiling rather then trying to do a bootloader build
22:50:35mcuelenaerewhat does readelf yield on build/apps/rockbox.elf ?
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22:52:33saratoga2readelf: Error: rockbox.bin: Failed to read file header
22:52:50Bagderah yes it's probably objdump'ed already
22:52:58mcuelenaereno, rockbox.elf
22:53:14mcuelenaerenormally that shouldn't be objdump'ed
22:53:25mcuelenaere(it wasn't when I experimented with the build system)
22:53:27Bagderright, the .bin is not the .elf
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22:54:19mcuelenaereperhaps you could even just run it? (the .elf file)
22:54:54saratoga2heres bootloader.elf, which is probably what you want:
22:55:11mcuelenaereah sorry, yes bootloader.elf
22:55:23saratoga2hmm 300 bytes
22:55:30mcuelenaereit doesn't seem to contain any code?
22:55:58saratoga2thats the only elf file i get
22:56:07mcuelenaeresomething went wrong during linking I guess
22:56:59mcuelenaereyou could try opening librockbox.a with IDA and see if it was compiled correctly
22:57:55mcuelenaere(if you don't have IDA, readelf seems to also support it)
22:58:31Bagderwell, just 'nm librockbox.a' could be a start
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22:59:03kugelSlasheri: Ping :)
22:59:04saratoga2librockbox.a contains a lot of functions and references to various files so i assume it compiled
22:59:41mcuelenaereso it went wrong during linking perhaps
22:59:53Bagderis there anything using the code in the .a file then?
23:00:27*mcuelenaere curses Firefox
23:00:29saratoga2since theres no actual binary linking the .a file, i guess not
23:00:38saratoga2just the empty elf file
23:01:28Bagderwell, bootloader.elf has it specified on the link line
23:01:48Bagderthus if anything used one of the functions in there, that object file should be used
23:02:08saratoga2I'm not sure i follow
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23:02:44Bagdersaratoga2: I think the problem is just that you have no code in SOURCES that gets used for your build
23:02:51Bagderin bootloader/
23:02:57saratoga2yes thats true
23:03:49saratoga2so I'd need something like "ipod.c" or whatever for SDL
23:04:05Bagdera main() with some basic stuff in it
23:04:16saratoga2ah did not notice main was in there
23:04:26saratoga2the bootloader has printf right?
23:04:49BagderI'm not sure exactly how universal that is
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23:05:02Bagderbut yes, there is a printf() in there
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23:11:41saratoga2adding a main() function causes bootloader.elf to be 75KB and contain a lot of functions when i use readelf, however rockbox.bin still isn't executable
23:11:47saratoga2its just 24 bytes
23:11:58Bagderis the elf one executable?
23:12:43saratoga2yes, actually, and it prints "Killed"
23:12:57saratoga2rather then the Hello World I'd put in main()
23:13:34Bagderthe .bin file is the elf file converted with objdump and that won't work for the sim
23:13:49mcuelenaerefor fixing that, use the ZVM way and define USE_ELF="yes"
23:13:52mcuelenaerein tools/configure
23:14:29Bagdermcuelenaere: that's not used for the bootloader...
23:14:46Bagderbut I guess it could be made to
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23:15:38saratoga2just so i understand, typically the binrary is compiled in elf and then converted with objdump somehwo for use as bootloader?
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23:16:21Bagderthe bin is then typically converted into the final output using a particular tool
23:16:39saratoga2and USE_ELF will jsut tell it to keep the bootloader.elf file as the binary?
23:16:44*linuxstb_ wonders why an SDL target would need a bootloader
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23:16:47mcuelenaereBagder: you're right about the USE_ELF, bootloader/Makefile has to be adjusted in order to do this
23:17:03saratoga2linuxstb: ask JdGordon :)
23:17:10mcuelenaerelinuxstb: it's just for testing purposes I presume
23:17:24saratoga2he thought it'd be an easier way to get the target tree stuff tested without having to worry about apps initially
23:18:49BagderI think a better approach is to simply ifdef out a lot of the code you want to wait with from SOURCES
23:18:52wpyhBigBambi: I've created a new task:
23:18:56Bagderin apps
23:19:20wpyhWould someone with commit permission please review it?
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23:21:17saratoga2Bagder: thats easy enough I suppose
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23:38:06wpyhBy the way, any ideas how to convert pcf to bdf cleanly?
23:38:37wpyhI saw somewhere on the net that pcf2bdf "generates irresponsible values for FONTBOUNDINGBOX"
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23:42:55wpyhNever mind, I found the bdf sources :)
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23:48:37wpyhHi all, is there any way to attach large attachments on the tracker?
23:49:50wpyhI want to attach a font that is 5 MB (compressed), so it exceeds the 2 MB attachment limit
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23:52:00bluebrotherI don't think so
23:52:56wpyhWell, then, any ideas how to submit such a font?
23:53:15bluebrothersure ... post a link to some site were you uploaded it ;-)
23:53:19wpyhIt's huge because it contains 4 different point sizes
23:53:27wpyhAnd for both regular and bold
23:53:30wpyhOh, ok
23:53:40bluebrothercan't you just attach the different versions individually?
23:53:48wpyhWould the original website be accepted? They are hosting it at SF
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23:54:06bluebrotherI can't think of any reason why this wouldn't acceptable.
23:54:25wpyhbluebrother: do you mean attach the individual font files as per point size?
23:54:48bluebrotheryes −− or is it a single file containing several sizes?
23:54:49wpyhI'm new to FS, so I don't know whether the limit is a total limit or an individual-attachment limit
23:55:20wpyhIt's multiple files: total of 8 files, with 4 point sizes and then regular and bold versions
23:55:29bluebrotherwell, I never tried attaching that large files so I don't know. But my guess is that it's per attachment.
23:55:49wpyhI think I'd also post a link to the original website
23:55:54wpyhThanks :)
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23:57:05bluebrothera link to the original website is always a good thing IMO

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