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#rockbox log for 2008-06-02

00:00:22stripwax_secleinteer - any useful information on the page
00:02:04*stripwax_ shrugs
00:03:55BigBambisecleinteer: any progress should appear in the appropriate thread in the New Ports forum
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00:20:06stripwax_it would make sense to disable the lineout on ipod dock (as per fs#8668) conditional on the accessory adc reading no attached device
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00:21:35MU{lappy}Could anyone tell me what file isnt in order when I get "File not found" in the gigabeats bootloader?
00:21:48MU{lappy}erm... bad quote
00:21:54MU{lappy}but i was getting that before, too
00:22:07MU{lappy}i went through a number of restores before i got it "right"
00:22:30MU{lappy}not sure what the issue is, but i suspect that the FS is somehow not quite right and bootloader can't read the files
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01:07:53Davide-NYCWhat is the current state of the GBS port? Is the GigabeatSPort page up to date?
01:09:36DerPapstit's pretty usable already i think
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01:13:00secleinteerBigBambi: thanks, i wasn't sure if the thread was up to date
01:13:00DGMurdockIIIi have a qustion
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01:14:10DGMurdockIIIwhere can ifind the app to install the rockbox firmware
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01:15:30advcomp2019DGMurdockIII, the app should be linked in the manual of the player your have
01:15:55DGMurdockIIIim on windows
01:16:06secleinteernoooo, not the doze
01:16:09DGMurdockIIIplease dont assume im on linux
01:16:32advcomp2019the windows app is linked in there too
01:16:53secleinteerthere are people still using windows??!
01:16:53DGMurdockIIIcan u just link me to the windows one
01:17:08DGMurdockIIIim only using windows till reacts is in beta
01:17:29secleinteerreactos isn't going to go anywhere
01:17:42secleinteerit's a unnecessary waste of labor
01:18:22DGMurdockIIInwhen was the last time you loocked at the progress of reactos and tryed one of there livecds
01:18:25secleinteerwine, on other hand, is releasing 1.0 very soon ;p
01:18:36secleinteertried it about a year ag
01:18:45secleinteeri was like, ok....
01:18:55secleinteerbesides, i don't want a windows clone
01:18:55DGMurdockIIIreactos works wery closly with the win devs
01:19:14secleinteeri know
01:19:16advcomp2019here it is then: .. but if that does not work, you will need to read the manual
01:19:22secleinteerand if they worked on one project, it'd be even better!
01:19:42advcomp2019DGMurdockIII and secleinteer, you are getting offtopic
01:20:06secleinteersry ;\
01:20:15DGMurdockIIIthey dont work on the wine project they wwork with they for stuff they will be usfally for reacts
01:20:16drfsupercenterHm, will Rockbox work on a first-gen iPod Nano?
01:20:21drfsupercenteror does it have to be a video-ype
01:20:38secleinteerdrfsupercenter: yes
01:20:56drfsupercenterDoes it let you play vidos? Or just musc?
01:21:00drfsupercentergah stupid keyboard
01:21:06secleinteerya i'm having keyboard probs too
01:21:10secleinteerjust music
01:21:15drfsupercenterwell this one uses batteries... sometimes they die
01:21:19secleinteerneed a vid chip to play vids w/o a super good proc
01:21:19drfsupercenterHeh, OK
01:21:21drfsupercenterbut games and stuff too?
01:21:23secleinteerya mine uses batteries too
01:21:29secleinteerya, games
01:21:35secleinteerno videos, i don't think
01:21:35PaulJam__the nano plays video under rockbox
01:21:38drfsupercenterI don't own an iPod, but my siser has a 4GB Nano
01:21:43secleinteeri have a ipod photo, and it does games
01:21:49drfsupercenterPaulJam_, the old Nano? or the iPod Nano + Video
01:21:49secleinteerPaulJam_: really, how?
01:21:59secleinteeri thought the new nanos weren't rockboxable
01:22:04drfsupercenterHers is old
01:22:13drfsupercentermaybe not "first gen", but it's the old kind that has an uber small screen
01:22:15secleinteerso does anyone know how to pm a person on the forums? i can't figure out how
01:22:23secleinteerdo i have to add them to my buddy list first?
01:22:26PaulJam__read the manual or the PluginMpegPlayer wiki page
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01:23:03drfsupercenterbut how do you put videos on a Nano under Rockbox?
01:23:07drfsupercenterDo you still use iTunes to sync it?
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01:23:25alleleI don't think so drfsupercenter
01:23:28PaulJam__secleinteer: you can't PM with a postcount of 0. could this be the problem?
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01:23:37secleinteeryes, that's it
01:23:42alleleI think you just put them on the nano and open them on the filebrowser
01:23:44drfsupercenterallele, so does it make it like a MSC drive?
01:23:58drfsupercenterI know you can partition your iPod as a drive, but I didn't think you could see the actual mp3s in Windows
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01:24:37allelethe mp3's you add using itunes, or at least that's how I did it, but videos for rockbox were just put on it in disk mode
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01:24:50DGMurdockIIIis the creative vision: M supported on the rockbot utility yes or is the firmware still not finshed yet for it?
01:25:10drfsupercenterHow do you put an iPod in disk mode to begin with?
01:25:24drfsupercenterNow of course, I'd have to ask my sister if she even wants Rockbox, but you'd have to be an idiot not to ;)
01:25:55PaulJam__drfsupercenter: this should be described in the installation instructions in the manual
01:25:56secleinteerjust close iCrap
01:26:04secleinteerand you should be able to access the disk mode
01:26:09advcomp2019DGMurdockIII, as for the creative zen vision:m, you can read the forum since i think the rockbox utility does not work with it yet
01:26:14secleinteeror just don't use iCrap at all, like me ;/
01:26:28secleinteerwinamp has a good ipod plugin
01:26:37drfsupercenterbut you can't just open an iPod in Windows
01:26:39drfsupercenterlast I trie
01:26:43secleinteerDGMurdockIII: they're working on it
01:26:44alleleI currently just got a sansa e280r and think it's much better than a nano
01:26:46secleinteerdrfsupercenter: yes you can
01:26:48drfsupercenterand yo uknow, I want Rockbox for my Zune >:O
01:26:59secleinteerbut then again, i don't know much about this "windows"
01:27:03drfsupercenterSansa e280 is uber ownage, allele
01:27:08drfsupercenterDid you buy it off
01:27:12secleinteercreative zen ftw ;/
01:27:15secleinteer32gb ssd
01:27:17alleleno, ebay
01:27:20drfsupercenterHow much
01:27:24allelelike 50
01:27:25drfsupercenterMine was $75 including shipping from Woot
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01:28:19secleinteerdrf|away: $295
01:28:45secleinteergot a 500gb hdd too, those are ridiculously cheap nowadays
01:28:49DGMurdockIIIis the creative vision: M fireware able to be loaded on to the player
01:29:48advcomp2019DGMurdockIII, i am not sure.. that is why i said to look at the rockbox forums
01:29:59secleinteerDGMurdockIII: ya
01:30:03secleinteerbut it's not fully functional
01:30:06secleinteerjust look at forums already
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01:36:33allelesecleinteer: sansas running rockbox can read and write on a microsd up to 32gb (once one exists) right?
01:37:02secleinteerallele: don't know, but i don't see why not
01:37:11secleinteercheck forums/site
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01:37:36alleleeh, I'll take your word for it until one is actually released :D
01:37:37advcomp2019allele, yes with rockbox you have use microsdhc cards
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02:03:28secleinteeradvcomp2019: this isn't vi, you can just use a * to replace a word ;/
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02:06:47advcomp2019secleinteer, i use both.. it just depends on where and who i am talking to.. this is getting offtopic tho
02:07:29secleinteeradvcomp2019: you get too worried about getting off topic ;/
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02:20:31replicanthowdy, any of you had success at possibly having a rockboxed ipod that can either a.) be in rockbox firmware and use directory browsing/playing, or b.) be in apple firmware and have the itunes DB use the directory structure that you setup on your ipod? make sense? i'm not looking to use the itunes DB in rockbox firmware. the goal is to be able to use the ipod in my car with the factory integration (it only recognizes the it
02:23:31PaulJam__your message got cut off after "(it only recognizes the i"
02:24:33replicanthtanks :D
02:24:34replicant(it only recognizes the itunes DB and not random mp3s as a folder structure), but when not hooked to my car, i MUCH prefer rockbox.
02:24:36replicantthat is the rest
02:25:29replicantwas about to post this question on the forums, but wanted to ask here (may get faster response here)
02:25:43replicantdidn't find an answer at all ont he forums or a regular google search
02:26:10replicantit may not be possible, or no one has really bothered and ended up just converting their music to an apple firmware supported format (but thats a serious pain in the arse)
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02:27:37PaulJam__i'm not sure, but i think the ipod DB can't work with a normal folderstructure. so in order to use both firmwares you have to use the Database in rockbox or have all the music twice on your player.
02:27:51replicanthmm, that was what i feared
02:28:09replicantsomehing about itunes can only see files (for "security reasons") with a length of n characters
02:28:17replicantand a specific folder structure
02:29:12PaulJam__i would guess that the limit is there for performance reasons, to keep the DB small.
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02:34:52PaulJam__replicant: btw, what speaks against using the rockbox database. in my opinion it works very good.
02:35:16replicantwell if the rockbox database is confirmed compatible with ipod car integration kits, then i'd LOVE to use it
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02:35:44replicanti'm waiting on mine to get shipped, i'm taking the plunge and purchasing it anyway (regardless of confirmed rockbox compatibility)
02:35:59PaulJam__no, i mean transfer the music using itunes and acces the music in rockbox via the database.
02:36:41replicantok so the rockbox db can see the itunes db? it just converts/clones that db for rockbox usage, but leaves the files/folders as they are for itunes to see/use?
02:37:38PaulJam__the rockbox DB wirks independent of the itunes DB, it scans the metadata of the files.
02:38:12replicanti see, so it lets you leave the file/folders as they are for itunes to use, but then compiles its own db for rockbox use
02:38:20replicantshould have thought of that
02:38:27replicantthat'll be hte answer i get on the forums i'm sure
02:38:57PaulJam__btw, what ipod are you going to purchase (the classic is not compatible with rockbox)?
02:39:38replicantnot purchasing ipod (have mod'd ipod mini and modded 4g at the moment) −− purchasing the integration kit for my car
02:39:57PaulJam__ah ok
02:41:25PaulJam__this page might interest you:
02:41:32replicantyeah just came across that
02:41:55replicantthanks :D need to read up on how to get rockbox to compile the db from itunes library
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02:52:24kugelreplicant: Rockbox builds his own database
02:53:26kugelreplicant: But you can use either databases, depeding on whether you boot into the OF (apple firmware) or rockbox
02:54:04replicantkugel, that's exactly what i want to be able to do, be able to use either or without problems (and most importantly, not have to duplicate files for apple or rockbox use)
02:54:08kugelreplicant: And of course, you use the same music files for the databases, you don't need to have your music twice
02:54:18replicantthanks PaulJam__ and kugel :D
02:54:24replicantthis makes me super happy
02:55:05kugelreplicant: It's really easy. If you are in your car, you can boot into the OF, otherwise you use rockbox
02:55:49replicantthanks, that's exactly what i want :)
02:56:03kugelreplicant: Rockbox features dual boot. You don't lose any feature of the of
03:03:14replicantsince i was going to have to convert my flac to something anyway, i was thinking of converting flac to 320kbit cbr mp3s to save on space; i would think in a car with road noise anyway, flac/apple lossless vs. 320kbit cbr mp3s is not going to be THAT noticeable; even when hooked to my headphones (just some audio technica ah7's), i can't really tell a difference between flac and 256kbit... you guys think i'm nuts and just for
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05:03:17saratogaalright, finally got the UI sim to run half way in the target tree, now to merge the rest into it
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05:35:16wpyhFinished testing the Nano, I got 9:50 runtime with RB
05:35:21wpyhNow testing with the OF
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06:41:44ArchagonHey all, I need some help. Whenever I select "next track" soon after a track starts, it often takes seconds to change track. What's going on?
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06:56:18wpyhArchagon: which player do you have?
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07:12:10sk8r_Grlwhat's this channel for?
07:12:23r4v5the rockbox replacement firmware for mp3 players
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07:12:50sk8r_Grlsry i got this from a /whois
07:12:54sk8r_Grli was lonely
07:13:04sk8r_Grlanybody know a good cyber chan?
07:13:08krazykitthis is an on-topic channel. please take non-rockbox chatter elsewhere
07:14:07sk8r_Grlokay sry
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10:42:34gevaertsjhMikeS: a device knows that it can use 500mA if the host does a SET_CONFIGURATION to a configuration that asks for 500mA. Rockbox currently only has one possible configuration, so if the host sets that you're good. The easiest way to see it is in usb_core.h, usb_state == CONFIGURED
10:42:41*gevaerts blames extreme irc lag
10:45:00markungevaerts: for what?
10:45:27gevaertsmarkun: my response appearing 11 hours after the question :)
10:46:11markungood to see that Maurus can come to devcon
10:47:30*gevaerts is looking forward to devcon. Less than four weeks now...
10:48:31*petur is looking forward to other things as well
10:48:58markunpetur: when is the baby due?
10:49:05peturtoday :)
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10:49:29peturbut it doesn't look like it will be today.... but any day now :)
10:49:30markunwow! (but maybe we should take that to #rockbox-community)
10:49:53krzhi everyone
10:49:58gevaertsDepends. If the baby will be a dev later, it's on topic here :)
10:50:12markunhi krz
10:51:15B4gdermy daughter at least that "working" equals sitting in front of a computer
10:51:45*gevaerts waves at krz
10:51:49markunB4gder: how old is she now?
10:51:55B4gdershe'll turn 5 in sep
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10:52:19markunkrz: welcome back!
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10:52:38markunthis guy is too fast..
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11:42:58JdGordonlinuxstb_: parse_list() is your thing yeah? what do you think about allowing it to continue parsing if values arnt correct?
11:43:33linuxstb_Why would you want to do that?
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11:44:55JdGordonI'm trying to think of a nice way to do the progress bar so you dont have to specify every value..
11:45:17JdGordonit could also be good in viewports so it would use the default values for items...
11:45:25linuxstbThen you want optional values, rather than continuing after an error.
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11:46:10JdGordonI'm not sure if we want to allow optional values or not anyway though
11:46:26JdGordon is the changed parse_list()
11:46:33linuxstbNor am I. I think it could just complicate things.
11:46:57JdGordonalthough, I can see why wps artissts would love it
11:47:24linuxstbIt doesn't add any new features for WPS designers though - just saves them a little typing.
11:47:25*JdGordon is looking for an OK to completly mangle the %pb behaviour :p
11:48:18LloreanIf it just saves them typing, I'm more or less against it. I think explicit declarations are better, especially when new people read old WPSes to learn things from them.
11:48:38LloreanA few extra characters probably never killed anyone. Yet.
11:49:25JdGordonwell, one nice reason would be if you have a mostly text based wps you could use blanks for the colours in the viewport definitions to use the themes colours, whatever they are
11:49:41JdGordonanother one is height going off the font height instead of hardcoded
11:50:29LloreanThat's different from optional. You could also allow, as you suggested, the - character to mean "use the default"
11:51:31JdGordonin which case, I'd like to get an opinion on that paste... thats an easy way to figure out which items were correctly specified
11:52:04JdGordonafter calling it youd check the valid_vals value against some mask which has to be set to see if you bother continue parsing or fail
11:55:30JdGordon*room goes silent* :/
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12:04:57pixelmaJdGordon: the progressbar changes don't remove the possibilty to have a drawn one (if I don't specify a filename), right?
12:08:38pixelmaand are the other values I need still the same: height, "start position", "end position", y-coordinate?
12:10:27Lloreanpixelma: They've changed to x, y, width, height to be in line with other things, I think.
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12:11:36pixelmathat would be weird in the example given in the latest tracker task comment: "%pb|8|5|171|182|pb-176x220x16.bmp|" <- height of 182? :)
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12:12:46LloreanMaybe I'm wrong?
12:15:58GodEater*gasp*. Surely not ?
12:16:40LloreanSurely there are forum members who would be astonished to know I'm capable of saying that. ;)
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12:23:56pixelmaok, testing reveals that the pb parameters are still the same and still optional - and having a short and a long pb in 2 viewports shown conditionally seems to work...
12:32:38JdGordonback.. yes havnt changed the meaning of the params yet
12:34:12*JdGordon is in the process of changing them to proper values atm
12:38:37JdGordonpixelma: have you prepared screenies of the other issues yet?
12:38:59JdGordonalso, what was the story with the fm screen? pebkac? or turned out to be a bug?
12:39:30pixelmawas about to, just returned and had some other things to do
12:40:26JdGordonand yes, if no filename is given it uses the old bar
12:41:36pixelmaI don't know exactly what happened with the fm screen (the prerecording time line didn't show the first time I tried after rolo'ing in the new build). Then changed the font back and forth and it was there next time I tried
12:42:21pixelmaI'm using the old bar - don't think it's ugly just simple and e.g. lets me have a WPS without backdrop
12:45:42pixelmaotherwise I would have to use another bmp for the "frame" or have a progressbar that just floats around somewhere
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12:52:31JdGordonI seem to have broken the progressbar :'(
13:01:19kugelJdGordon: You didn't answer on the mailing list :(
13:01:35JdGordonLlorean beat me to it
13:01:50kugelJdGordon: But he didn't say something about filename as second parameter
13:02:07JdGordoni havnt deicded whats going to happen with that
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13:06:40PaulJamkugel: what would be the advantage (apart from less typing) if the coordinate parameters were optional?
13:08:00kugelPaulJam: I don't know. And I don't know if they are as of now optional. I assumed that since JdGordon said: "which means you have to specify all 4 number values also"
13:08:48*kugel just notice his copy&paste failure in the mail :(
13:09:19pixelmacurrently all parameters are optional in the %pb tag
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13:15:51JdGordonand we are working again :)
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13:24:54*JdGordon doesnt like having 2 patches in the one task, but doesnt think the pb patch deserves a seperate one...
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13:33:21JdGordonpixelma: new merged patch is up whenever your ready to try again :)
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14:03:38JdGordonPaulJam: you round?
14:04:12JdGordonim working on the removeing margins patch, can you explain the 2 points in your comment?
14:04:27JdGordonhardcoded default is cabbie? or the real default?
14:04:51PaulJamthe basic text only wps
14:05:33*JdGordon isnt sure if he fixed these issues and forgot to update the tracker or not :(
14:05:54JdGordonwith the statusbar disabled that wps looks fine
14:06:58PaulJamwhen i tried it had an offset of the statusbar height from the top of the screen.
14:07:58JdGordonah, im getting a diferent problem where the statusbar is overlapping the top line if its enabled
14:08:01*JdGordon fixes
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14:10:48*JdGordon notices something should be done about allowing just %pb with the other patch
14:11:31JdGordondunno how to do that though :/
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14:12:54*JdGordon slaps JdGordon, IJUT! shold be painfully obvious how to do that!
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14:24:56AceNikhey guys what does a "malformed patch at line 50" indicate how do i fix it
14:24:57JdGordonARGG..... where is this bloody bug?!
14:25:18JdGordonit means the patch wasnt made correctly.. or manually edited badly
14:25:36AceNiks how do i fix it ?
14:25:43AceNikits made by someone else
14:26:04JdGordondepends on how bad the problem is
14:27:12AceNikwell it jus says patch malformed at index: apps/recorder/radio.c at line 50
14:27:25AceNikso what should i be lookin out for ?
14:29:38kugelAceNik: That means, that something with those @@ +xx,y -aa,b @@ lines is wrong
14:29:52B4gderit can be other errors too
14:30:00B4gderlike a line wrap
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14:30:33AceNikkugel: @@ -23,6 +23,7 @@ what exactly does this mean, -23 means it should start the patch at that line right
14:31:10kugelyep, the 6 means how many lines are there (in the hunk) before the patch is applied.
14:31:22kugelthe right side means the same, but after the patch is applied
14:31:41AceNikok just one minute then
14:33:01AceNikok what if i manually apply all the changes of the required file & then recmpile the patch will that work
14:33:42B4gderthen it'd be as if you applied the patch successfully, yes
14:34:11B4gderif that works or not in the end if of course depending on the actual changes done
14:34:38AceNikok ill try
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15:13:09MrcheesenipsIs there a way to change the background and make it an image or picture on rockbox?
15:13:38LambdaCalculus37Do you have an image for use as a background?
15:13:55Mrcheesenipsim ready to transfer it
15:13:59Mrcheesenipsto the ipod
15:14:01LambdaCalculus37Is it sized to your player's display?
15:14:06LambdaCalculus37Which iPod?
15:14:14MrcheesenipsIpod Nano 1st Gen
15:14:25LambdaCalculus37Resize the image to 176x132 first.
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15:14:44B4gderand make it a bmp
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15:15:06LambdaCalculus37When you're done, let us know.
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15:19:28Mrcheesenipsok, I made it that resolution and its a bmp what next
15:20:52LambdaCalculus37Navigate to the folder you copied the bitmap to in the file view, then press and hold SELECT to bring up the context menu.
15:21:29LambdaCalculus37Then select "Set As Backdrop".
15:21:47Mrcheesenipsoh ok
15:23:48PaulJama little hint: put the backdrop in ".rockboc/backdrops/" . this way it will stay after reboot.
15:25:20Mrcheesenipsthe should it appear outomaticly?
15:25:30Mrcheesenipswhen I reboot
15:25:34LambdaCalculus37Yes, as long as you set it.
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15:27:38Mrcheesenipsit keeps saying backdrop failed when I try to set it
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15:31:38PaulJamwhat is the colour depth of the .bmp? i'm not sure if there are any restrictions. try to save it as 24bit bmp.
15:36:06Mrcheesenipsok I did that
15:36:11Mrcheesenipsbut it still didnt work
15:38:41PaulJamhow long is the filename?
15:39:35MrcheesenipsI got it on my ipod but It says backdrop failed, the name is
15:39:58Mrcheesenipswithout the star :-)
15:40:48PaulJamhmm, i can't think of anything else that could be wrong. maybe chack the resolution again.
15:40:59LloreanAnd it's a standard bitmap? What resolution, and what player do you have?
15:41:20Mrcheesenipshmm ok Ill just play around with it, maby try another image
15:41:29MrcheesenipsLorean look above
15:42:30LloreanI meant more in the sense of "have you double checked to make sure everything is exactly that"
15:43:20Mrcheesenipsyes I have
15:43:22LloreanThough I'll admit, I missed which player you have.
15:43:34MrcheesenipsIpod Nano 1st Gen
15:43:42LloreanI know, I read up when you said to
15:44:02LloreanBut usually that error message means that your file either isn't really a bitmap, or isn't really the right resolution.
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15:44:05LloreanWhat did you use to convert it?
15:44:42MrcheesenipsI went into gimp and went to image, and scaled the image to 176x132
15:44:54LloreanAnd then exported as a windows bitmap?
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15:45:14Mrcheesenipspretty sure
15:45:14PaulJamcan you upload the image somewhere?
15:46:59Mrcheesenipsthen give you the link?
15:50:30Mrcheesenips I just uploaded it to flickr...
15:52:15peturlooks to me it is the wrong size
15:52:34PaulJamhmm, flickr converted it to .jpg, but unless it changed the resolution aswell, it is too big.
15:53:05LloreanIt's the wrong ratio too
15:53:08LloreanNot 4:3
15:53:25LloreanSo even if flickr changed the resolution, it would've had to also have distorted it.
15:53:55Mrcheesenipshmm...well I now for a fact that the image .oh wow..I just figured out that gimp didnt make it the right reso it make it 280x176...
15:54:17Mrcheesenipsso is there another way I could make it smaller?
15:56:26PaulJamif you're on Windows try IrfanView.
15:56:52peturyay for irfanview :)
15:56:59PaulJambut it should be possible with the gimp too.
15:58:57JdGordonPaulJam: AH CRAP! I figured out the problem... the wps isnt reloaded when the statusbar setting changes
15:59:29wpyhMrcheesenips: When setting the resolution in gimp, you might have forgotten to unlock the ratio
16:01:33PaulJamJdGordon: ah, i guess that explains why you saw the opposite behaviour.
16:01:56Mrcheesenipsill rtry..
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16:02:14*JdGordon has a not so nice fix for this in his head...
16:02:27JdGordonsend of an event when the statusbar value changes...
16:03:09Mrcheesenipshow do I umlock the ratio?
16:03:48scorcheMrcheesenips: perhaps it might be better to head to #gimp or similar?
16:03:56Mrcheesenipsoh and I just downloaded irfanview
16:04:04MrcheesenipsI can use irdanview
16:08:57Mrcheesenipsok thanks anyway bye!
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16:21:03JdGordonPaulJam: wanna test a new patch?
16:21:48JdGordonok, ill put it on the tracker in a min
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16:31:38JdGordondoes anyone else think sending off an event when teh statusbar (and probably buttonbar) is enabled/disabled is an abuse of the event system?
16:45:46PaulJamJdGordon: the new patch fixes the issues as far as i can see, but when the statusbar is shown in the WPS it flickers everytime when entering the wps and on trackchange. (on h300)
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16:46:28JdGordonthe bar flickers? or the whole screen?
16:46:45PaulJamonly the bar.
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16:47:36JdGordonon target yeah?
16:47:46JdGordondoesnt seem to flicker on the sim, but thats probably expected
16:49:12PaulJamin my uisim it flickers too, but on target it is more noticeable.
16:52:01JdGordonok, off to bed, ill have a look at it on target tomorow
16:52:07JdGordonwell.. today actualy :(
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17:23:02cellofellowI just attempted to install RockBox on my Sansa E250 and it will just show the SanDisk screen at boot and won't load either firmware (you push Left to boot the SanDisk firmware, right?). Is this thing a brick and in need of unbricking?
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17:23:34LambdaCalculus37cellofellow: Is your Sansa a v2?
17:23:50cellofellowI checked that. :)
17:24:02LambdaCalculus37Is it a Rhapsody model?
17:24:10cellofellowI think so.
17:24:59LambdaCalculus37If it is, then you want this:
17:26:38cellofellowno, it's a non-R model.
17:27:04LambdaCalculus37Okay, then the instructions you want are here:
17:27:26LambdaCalculus37And please make sure to read the manual as well.
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17:28:44gevaertscellofellow: one general warning : when trying to recover a device, if you find the instructions unclear or something doesn't work as expected, ask for help, don't try out random things
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17:56:04yorky501hi, I have a small problem, just started using rockbox on my ipod video. As far as i can tell i have removed all the .m4a files from the device however when i open an album in the database there are still m4a files there any ideas why?
17:56:21n1sGodEater: wouldn't calling plugin_load() from inside a plugin try to return to the caller when the loaded plugin exits? (i.e. some random place in the new plugin)
17:57:03domonokyyorky501: check the recycle bin.. :-)
17:57:09n1syorky501: maybe you have a recycle bin on it or something, windows does this sometimes
17:57:29yorky501im running linux
17:57:58n1syorky501: are the files actually there and not only in the data base?
17:58:36yorky501well i cant find them on the device but they still play, which is a mystery to me, so they must be somewhere on it
17:59:11domonokyyorky501: make a playlist out of them, and save it... then you can check the paths.
17:59:43n1syorky501: if itunes copied them over they are in the ipod_control dir which might be hidden
18:00:02yorky501ok ill check that out
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18:02:44yorky501could i delete the ipod_control dir?? thats where the files are but i can't get into it
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18:03:02n1syes you can
18:03:12yorky501with no ill effect???
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18:03:38gevaertsIf you don't plan to use itunes, you don't need ipod_control at all.
18:04:01gevaertss/itunes/the OF/
18:04:07LloreanAnd if you ever reboot into the OF, it'll rebuild ipod_control anyway
18:04:08billblackBillBlack here asking for wiki write access so I can post my dumb WPS
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18:04:48yorky501its quite strange, the files are in iPod_control/Music, but it doesn't show up when i do ls -a
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18:05:00domonokybillblack: done
18:05:12domonokybillblack: promise not to spam ! :-)
18:05:23billblackno prob thanks
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18:07:41yorky501thanks for help guys, deleted the ipod control folder thats sorted it
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18:19:16rvvs89You might want to take a look at this, re GPL violation:
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18:40:51DuoMaxwelim having troubles with getting video on my e280
18:41:03DuoMaxweleither the size is wrong
18:41:14DuoMaxwelor the audio is out of sync
18:41:24DuoMaxwelwhat would you guys recommend for encoding?
18:42:30*gevaerts uses ffmpeg
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18:43:11PaulPositionwinff (I think its a gui for ffmpeg??) comes, reportedly, with presets for all the current rockbox targets.
18:43:35DuoMaxwelthanks all
18:43:46*PaulPosition wouldn't know.. 1 inch screen on his h10 is too small to bother with vids
18:45:08LloreanI think it's missing one or two of the newest targets (c200, at least)
18:45:20LloreanBut yes, it comes with presets and it's a frontend for ffmpeg.
18:46:22PaulPositionThat would make sense indeed, if rockbox dev outraces winff releases from time to time.. :D
18:46:53LloreanWell, WinFF just got their presets from us.
18:46:58LloreanAnd I've been kinda lazy about writing new ones.
18:47:26DuoMaxwelim running an e200
18:47:30DuoMaxwelso im happy =)
18:49:08DuoMaxwelalright so i ran WinFF and it simply freezes at chcp 1252 | PROMPT
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18:50:53Buschelsaratoga: you there?
18:51:12DuoMaxwelany ideas anyone?
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18:51:26LloreanDuoMaxwel: Well, it's not exactly our software. If you have problems with it, you should seek support from its support channels.
18:51:46DuoMaxwelyeah i assumed as much
18:51:49DuoMaxwelthought id try asking anyway =P
18:52:04DuoMaxwelalright well thanks for the link
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19:18:22*n1s looks for an aac test track
19:19:29n1sfound the mplayer site again :)
19:23:20Buschelsaratoga: regarding mp3-decoding speed -> it might be interesting to change the "III_aliasreduce" (synth_full_arm.S) to 32bit multiplies (mul/mla instead of smull/smlal), as well as the imdct-windowing (imdct_I_arm-S)
19:24:15Buschelsaratoga: as a first step we could start with replacing the smull/smlal with mul/mla without taking care of the resulting audio −− just to get an impression of speed
19:24:50n1shmm, has anyone tried aac on 64bit?
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19:25:38Buschelsaratoga: if the gain in speed is reasonable, the next steps (pre-scaling constants and operands) can be done and the accuracy can be measured
19:25:55Buscheln1s: yes, many years ago
19:26:02Buscheln1s: not transparent :o)
19:26:38n1sBuschel: I mean playing aac in the rb sim...
19:27:17Buscheln1s: no, I've only got mpc, mp3 and flac
19:28:04n1sI wanted to test a small correction i made to the aac codec but it seems the metadata parser doesn't like the sample files I've found
19:28:22n1sor it makes some nasty assumption that breaks on 64 bit
19:29:06preglowaac works in the sim for me
19:29:11preglowbut i don't have too many files
19:29:37n1sok, I'll search for some more files then
19:31:41n1sthe metadat parser has a few things that look suspicious though
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19:35:41n1spreglow: btw, I heard a rumor about you syncing libfaad in rockbox with the upstream (or whatever you'd call it) ;)
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19:41:50kugelBuschel: I've read today that a "Andree Buschmann" invented musepack :O Is that you?
19:42:19kugelThat would explain that you seem to focus on musepack :)
19:44:53cellofellowok, I've tried to install RockBox on my Sansa E200 using these instructions Now it seems that these were the wrong instructions, how do I fix my player (it won't boot either system)?
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19:46:03cellofellowbtw I'm using Ubuntu.
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19:47:20Buschelkugel: yep
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19:47:29kugelBuschel: Cool!
19:48:18Buschelkugel: that's why i work on it in rockbox, nearly all my files are mpc :)
19:49:38kugelYea, I've noticed. I think the rockbox project can be lucky that a inventor of a codec contributes that much
19:49:51preglown1s: i did sync it, result wasn't fully working, so i stopped bothering
19:49:56preglown1s: i have a patch for anyone who cares, though
19:50:20n1swell, I still don't have a single aac file that rockbox can play...
19:50:24*DerPapst has not one mpc file...
19:50:38cellofellowI need to completely clean my Sansa and start over. How do I get it back to clean? (Original Firmware or whatever)?
19:50:56cellofellowCan I use the Sansa firmware updater gizmo?
19:51:07n1scellofellow: see the unbrick instructions that were linked the last time you asked
19:51:26cellofellowI tried that, maybe I should be more specific I guess.
19:51:41gevaertscellofellow: should have everything you need
19:51:54cellofellowI'll try again, then.
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19:53:05gevaertscellofellow: don't try the 'i2c rom' instructions linked to near the bottom. You most probably won't need them, and they are really dangerous.
19:53:42cellofellowI did install some kind of bootloader using manufacturer mode, can I get rid of that? I don't see instructions on that page.
19:54:13gevaertsDoes it do anything ?
19:55:00gevaertsUsing manufacturer mode, you don't directly install things, the bootloader you give to e200tool only serves to get you in recovery mode
19:55:11gevaertsFrom there you install new bootloaders
19:55:44cellofellowI used these instructions and the e200rpatcher.linux utility.
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19:58:00gevaertsI would put it in manufacturer mode, from there in recovery mode, and then do a full recovery (PP5022.mi4, BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom and sansa.fmt)
19:58:39gevaertsDon't copy any other files to it, and don't forget to unmount cleanly
19:58:45AngrymanJust a hint: "Big Buck Bunny" another open movie project... could be also mirrored in the MPEGplayer Wiki... (and i like it more than elephants dream ;-))
19:59:12bluebrotherBagder: when sending mails to the user-ml I get a bounce since a few times from some unrelated address (looks like a subscriber). Is this behaviour intended?
19:59:30cellofellowok, so how do I get to recovery mode from manu. mode?
19:59:51gevaerts e200tool recover BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom
19:59:52Bagderbluebrother: it's probably a misconfigured user's mail server somewhere or so
20:00:16*cellofellow thinks he needs a link to download those
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20:00:53*gevaerts thinks that the wiki page he linked to earlier has all needed links
20:00:53bluebrotherah −− sorry, got confused. I kinda thought it was coming through the list server.
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20:06:09Bagderno worries
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20:08:23cellofellowI hate to call myself and idiot, but I guess RockBox (at least on a SanDisk) isn't idiot-proof yet.
20:09:20Bagderidiot proofing is very hard as idiots can be very imaginative
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20:11:26Buschelwpyh: finished your runtime test on nano with OF?
20:11:39cellofellowhaha, true
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20:12:20domonokydoes anybody know why you could get a segfault before main is called ?
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20:15:30Bagderdomonoky: wow, that should be a feat in a normal *nix app
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20:16:26gevaertsIt _can_ be done, but normally you need bad RAM, a bad compiler, or your very own crt0.S
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20:17:11gevaertsOr maybe a bad LD_PRELOAD library ?
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20:17:29Bagderthat replaces main! ;-)
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20:18:05domonokythe bad thing is that i have such code here at moment, but its under windows (test code from my gsoc student)
20:18:31krzjup =)
20:21:04gevaertsReally main(), and not some kind of winmain(), gtkmain(), or whatever ?
20:21:17cellofellowgevaerts: what output am I supposed to get from that command?
20:21:31bluebrotherdomonoky: it's cpp?
20:22:05bluebrotherthen it's absolutely possible −− just think of a constructor doing nasty stuff.
20:22:11gevaertscellofellow: I can't remember. It's been a while since I saw it
20:22:12domonokyits pure c, but its somewhere in __mingw_CRTStartup but before my main is called..
20:22:33bertrikmaybe extremely excessive stack usage?
20:22:40bluebrotheris the offending code around somewhere?
20:22:44gevaertscellofellow: what does it give you ?
20:23:00cellofellowControl message (-110, Connection timed out
20:23:05cellofellowthat's the last line of a dozen or so
20:23:22cellofellowe200tool v0.2.3-alpha (c) by MrH 2006, 2007
20:23:24cellofellowSearching for device 0781:0720 ... found!
20:23:24cellofellowInitializing USB stub (4780 bytes) ... done!
20:23:24cellofellowWriting 'BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom' to address 0x10600000
20:23:24DBUGEnqueued KICK cellofellow
20:23:24cellofellowSearching for device 6666:e200 ... 9 found!
20:23:24cellofellowWrite at 0x10624da4
20:23:25***Alert Mode level 1
20:23:25cellofellowControl message (-110, Connection timed out)
20:23:33bluebrothercellofellow: please use a pastebin the next time
20:23:47cellofellowI figured it wasn't that big, but ok, I'll do that.
20:24:06gevaertscellofellow: I'd say try again, maybe using a different usb port
20:24:09bluebrotherwe usually prefer pastebins if it's longer than 3 or 4 lines.
20:24:13domonokykrz: i think your only chance is, to clean up the code, and show it to others.. :-)
20:24:21CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
20:24:21*gevaerts wonders what's up with logbot
20:24:36Bagdergevaerts: no ops
20:24:49gevaertslucky for cellofellow :)
20:24:51bluebrotherdomonoky: it might also be interesting if the issue occurs on linux too
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20:27:58cellofellowhey, I have my proprietary firmware back! Yay!
20:28:12cellofellowNow, what's the proper installation method for a non-Rhapsody E250?
20:28:23krazykitthat'd be found in the manual :)
20:28:24n1sthe one in the manual is recomended
20:28:30Bagderwe have a fine manual
20:28:46gevaertsI'd recommend rbutil. It's more idiot-proof than the manual method ;)
20:28:47cellofellowok, I'll ignore the one for the E200R in the Wiki then. :)
20:28:56n1sbut it has its not-so-fine places too ...
20:29:33cellofellowok, using rbutil
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20:31:07cellofellowok, this is interesting, you can play Doom on a Sansa with RockBox? Or is that only bigger/more powerful players like iPod or iRiver?
20:31:27krazykitagain, it's in the manual
20:31:52krazykit(and the sansa is just as "powerful" as the ipods, which are weak targets as far as swcodec devices go)
20:31:55cellofellowok, ok, ok
20:32:34cellofellowI wouldn't ever try to play H.256 on a Sansa, though.
20:32:41cellofellowH.264 rather
20:33:12krazykitnot that you could, as mpegplayer only plays mpeg1 and 2
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20:33:45cellofellowI mean that's the format iPods play anyway.
20:34:13PaulPositioncello - Because they have a specialty chip for decoding, if I recall correctly.
20:34:13gevaertsOnly in the OF, using hardware help
20:34:16cellofellowCould it be possible (I know it hasn't been done yet) to play XviD on a Sansa?
20:34:28cellofellowOh, it's accelerated, got it!
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20:35:11Bagderyou do need to transcode it to the small screen anyway, so why bother with xvid?
20:35:27n1sit's way cooler!
20:35:37cellofellowbetter compression than the mjpeg stuff the OF uses.
20:35:38Bagderand its backwards!
20:35:52*gevaerts sees the 'you do need to transcode anyway' argument again, and still disagrees
20:35:53Bagdercellofellow: mpeg2 is already way better compressed
20:35:59cellofellowok, figures.
20:36:09Bagdergevaerts: disagrees with what?
20:36:16Bagderthat you need to transcode?
20:36:31gevaertsThat you need to transcode because of the size
20:36:44gevaertsThe net is full of lowres video
20:36:45cellofellowI'd prefer if a portable video player would scale and crop on its own so you don't need to transcode anything unless you are worried about storage space.
20:36:59cellofellowSansa res is about 1/2 of YouTube.
20:37:04Bagdergevaerts: I doubt you'll find a lot of video you like for these screens
20:37:17Bagderbut sure, if you do you won't have to change it for the size
20:37:25cellofellow(And with the mjpeg compression and PCM audio, still comes out bigger on the Sansa than the original FLV file.)
20:37:26Bagderthen it's only for the format
20:37:29gevaertsBagder: maybe on sansa, but there is plenty of 320x240 around
20:37:43Bagderyes, for those screens I agree with you
20:38:40n1scellofellow: most of our targets have way too slow cpus to scale on the fly
20:39:02n1sas they are barely able to play back a prescaled video...
20:39:16Bagdercellofellow: this is rockbox, no mjpeg here
20:39:23cellofellowyeah, I know. I guess I'll just have to wait for a portable media player that can play high-def x264/vorbis matroska files.
20:39:39n1sit's called a laptop...
20:39:46cellofellowthat works
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20:41:15cellofellowI have found a list of codecs that RockBox supports, but what about muxers?
20:41:22cellofellowWhat container formats does it support?
20:41:30Bagderthe "native" ones
20:41:53cellofellowso nothing weird?
20:41:54Bagderfor each codec I mean
20:42:05gevaertsSo no ogg/mp3 or similar
20:42:09cellofellowvorbis in Ogg only, that sort of thing?
20:42:35preglowwe don't really have a separete demux layer, all the container handling is in the codec
20:42:57preglowand we're pretty fine with that thus far
20:43:38cellofellowso it does do mpeg and mpeg2 video, in what container? (there's so many I get confused)
20:43:53cellofellowand what audio codec? mp1/2/3?
20:44:21LloreanAs for the container, standard mpeg program stream if memory serves. Basically you're looking for a "normal" .mpg file
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20:48:07cellofellowmy Sansa mounts as /media/SD\ Player, which seems to not work with rbutil. Is the mountpoint the problem?
20:50:26bluebrotherit should be able to work with a space in the mount point, but I need to admit I never tried that.
20:50:43bluebrotherI'd suggest trying without a space. Could indeed be the problem.
20:50:45cellofellowI'll brb.
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20:53:16ClammAny advice how to remove thhe stuff installed by "" script? (OS X)
20:53:46LloreanIsn't it all stuff you can get rid of just by deleting the appropriate folders?
20:54:02ClammI wanted to ask before doing that ;-)
20:54:04Bagderand possibly remove the downloaded tarballs
20:54:21LloreanBagder: That's in an "appropriate folder" too, normally. ;)
20:54:49ClammOn Tiger everything worked fine... Leopard doesnt like i anymore ;-( Switching to VM
20:54:49Bagderwell, I think many people use a shared folder for that, I mean shared for other purposes too
20:55:31krazykitClamm, the vmware image is always an option too :)
20:55:48ClammOr cygwin on bootcamp ;-)
20:56:14krazykitcygwin is has terrible performance compared to even the vmware image, though.
20:56:57Lloreankrazykit: You make it sound like the vmware image's performance is bad as well, and cygwin is just worse.
20:58:07*gevaerts predicts that cygwin in vmware will be worse
20:58:36Makuseruhi, im having a problem with the Rockbox Database. A few songs are showing up with a space before their name and thats causing them to show up in a different directory. I checked them from the computer and the space isnt in their file name, nor in the id3 tags, and the space dosnt even show up when i click "view tags" from my mp3 player. anyone know what is causing this space to show up even though everything else says its not there?
20:58:39krazykitthe joys of text-only communication. the vmware image should be very good
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20:59:10LloreanMakuseru: What do you mean "different directory"
21:00:03Makuseruit shows up as a seperate artist. the artist name is "Mew" and most of the music shows up there, but a few songs are showing up as " Mew" with a space infront of it, so its under a different name
21:00:34LloreanMakuseru: The songs are MP3 with which version of ID3 tags?
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21:00:52MakuseruLlorean: let me check
21:01:20LloreanOne thing to check for is if they have both ID3v1 and ID3v2 tags.
21:02:21Makuseruhow do i tell what version they are?
21:03:50LloreanDepends on what software you're using. I really can't talk you through any specific software, as it's not something I normally do, so you'll be better off just checking your documentation.
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21:04:30Makuseruso it wont tell you in the "properties" (right clicking on the mp3 and clicking properties)
21:04:56LloreanI don't know, as I said. But I doubt it.
21:05:39cellofellowoh, there we go, I had to run as root.
21:10:58MakuseruLlorean: they are v1 tags
21:11:44LloreanAnd you're sure v2 don't exist alongside them?
21:11:47*cellofellow just uses EasyTag to be sure his tags are ID3v2.3 (for some reason Sansa chokes on 2.4. Hope RockBox fixes this.)
21:12:33Lloreancellofellow: Rockbox doesn't "fix" things. It just does things. It's not a modification of the original firmware, but rather a completely independent piece of software\
21:12:41Makuserumax@desktop:~/Desktop$ id3v2 -R 1.mp3
21:12:41Makuseruid3v1 tag info for 1.mp3:
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21:13:26cellofellowWell, I know that, but what I see is problem: my Sansa doesn't read certain tags. solution: use rockbox, which supports more tags.
21:13:50cellofellowget it? it's not fixing the Sansa firmware, but fixing my problem.
21:13:55cellofellowscratching my itch
21:14:25LloreanMakuseru: And what did you use to verify that the added space isn't actually there?
21:14:46Makuserui just read the tags, both on my compter and from inside rockbox
21:15:34LloreanWith variable width fonts an extra space can be nearly invisible.
21:16:50Makuseruwell my media player on my computer shows that there are no spaces (it puts all files from that artist in the same directory, and i even renamed all the tags to make sure there wasnt a space there)
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21:17:10bluebrotheranother way would be to look at the first bytes of the file
21:17:15LloreanDid you re-initialize the Rockbox database after altering the tags?
21:17:19MakuseruLlorean: i ran that command on them again, and they are showing two versions of id3 now
21:17:33Makuseruwith the space being there in the V1 but not the V2
21:19:14gevaertsThat could be the problem. I don't remember which tags rockbox tries first
21:19:31LloreanPriority can be set, iirc.
21:19:35bluebrotherfor the wps this depends on a setting. No idea about the database
21:20:27Makuserudoes anyone know any ways to edit the V1 tags, because apparently Amarok only lets me edit V2 tags on them
21:20:53bluebrotheryou could simply strip them with id3v2
21:20:55cellofelloweasytag has all the tagging options you could ever want
21:21:36Makuserucellofellow: i think i alreayad downloaded that beacuse i was haveing trouble editing m4a tags, lemme check
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21:30:30Makuserucellofellow: how would i do what im trying to do in EasyTag?
21:31:15cellofellowin the preferences there's a lot of options about ID3 versions. You can have it sync up your v1 and v2 tags.
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21:33:17Makuserucellofellow: i dont see where that option is
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21:36:51cellofellowI seem to remember another tag editor I had in Gutsy that would allow you to individually edit tags in both versions.
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21:37:49Makuseruthat would be very helpful, i cant seem to figure out how to do what i need in Easy Tag
21:39:03midgeyBagder: I'm writing up a method of how I'm building my simulators with my patch. I'll send you the email as soon as I've gotten it written up and confirmed that it works for me
21:40:10cellofellowMakuseru: Audio Tag Tool, i think
21:40:12LearRockbox reads ID3v2 tags first. There was an option to control that, but it has been removed.
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21:41:47Makuserucellofellow: "Audio Tag Editor"?
21:42:38cellofellowapt-get install tagtool
21:43:00gevaertsThe last time I used tagtool it erased all tags that it didn't know about
21:43:28cellofellowdidn't do that for me.
21:43:33*gevaerts is still angry about that
21:43:40cellofellowit just left them alone, as unknown tags
21:43:40Makuserui just searched "id3" in adept, and got a program that edits v1 and v2 independantly
21:44:01cellofellowcool, but tagtool does do that.
21:44:29BuschelToni1: first commit?
21:44:38gevaertsI think the tags it removed were TCOM
21:45:32Toni1Buschel: Not exactly, but last commit was around one year ago, if I remember correctly :-)
21:45:50*gevaerts could be wrong. It could be another program
21:46:15BuschelToni1: that explains why I did not find another commit after rough search ;-)
21:46:52mcuelenaereToni1: are you the author of Toni's emulator?
21:48:29Toni1mcuelenaere: Yes, I am. But it is really tricky to improve more.
21:48:58mcuelenaereI tried adding support for the DM320 target, but didn't came far
21:49:04cellofellowYay! RockBox is working and I love it!
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21:50:52Toni1mcuelenaere: I fully understand, because you need some knowledge of the real hardware (or have to analyze the assembler output very carefully.
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21:51:56mcuelenaereToni1: about the real hardware, I have the datasheets for it so that isn't a really big problem
21:52:17mcuelenaereit's just that running the OF's code is tricky to debug
21:53:07mcuelenaereperhaps I should attach my changes to the flyspray entry as I added an extra window with registers contents etc + step-by-step emulation
21:53:21Toni1mcuelenare: The cop handling is still very buggy, so if the OF relies on that, then you may be lost.
21:53:55mcuelenaerethe dm320 doesn't have a real cop, only a cp5 (handling mmu etc I think)
21:54:02mcuelenaereit's an arm926ej-s
21:54:20mcuelenaerealthough the chipset does have a c54xx dsp + some other minor cop's
21:54:31Toni1ah, ok. So new instructions included?
21:54:58mcuelenaereI haven't changed anything to the instruction handling
21:55:00Buschelbye folks
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21:55:17mcuelenaereI just left the cop instruction handling doing nothing atm
21:55:37mcuelenaerebut I'm planning to help with the ARM emulator SoC
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21:56:04mcuelenaerehoping that'll help porting/understanding the ZVM
21:56:20*gevaerts was just about to mention gsoc
21:57:16mcuelenaereabout that SoC: has any work been reported yet? I've only seen some wiki pages about the other SoC's
21:58:14gevaertsI don't really know. TaylorKillian has mentioned looking into things, but that may have been a few weeks ago
21:58:29gevaertsI hope LinusN knows more
21:59:14mcuelenaereI already tried contacting LinusN, but he didn't respond
21:59:21mcuelenaere(trough forum PM)
22:00:30midgeyBagder: email sent. Hopefully that clears some things up.
22:01:26*gevaerts sees that LinusN has visited the forums this morning
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22:02:42gevaertsI would suggest to just mail everyone involved.
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22:06:48mcuelenaeregevaerts: yes, that's what bothers me. either he doesn't read PM's or he ignored me (or I did something wrong while sending the PM)
22:09:12gevaertsI would try email to both TaylorKillian and LinusN
22:09:43*gevaerts wouldn't be surprised if someone doesn't see the PM indication on the forums
22:10:44mcuelenaerebut normally you get an email if you received a PM, not? or is this option disabled as default?
22:10:51*bluebrother did happen to miss PMs
22:11:08gevaertsGood question.
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22:11:35mcuelenaerebut it doesn't really matter, I'll mail them anyway
22:14:03Nico_PjhMikeS: here?
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22:43:20*Bagder plays blackjack in espanol
22:43:39LloreanPlugin Localization?
22:43:40Bagdermidgey: it was just my own mistakes
22:43:54BagderLlorean: yes, midgey gsoc work in progress
22:43:59gevaertsNow just wait until it actually speeks spanish to you
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22:59:48*Bagder does instead do the data abort dance
23:01:25Horschtican't flush this
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23:03:08midgeyBagder: glad to see you got a working sim. I'm not sure why it doesn't work on target. I know v7 worked on target at one point an now it doesn't.
23:03:20BagderI know why!
23:03:36Bagderlang_init_helper() gets the 'dest' variable to an odd address
23:03:45midgeyWhen testing on the gigabeat, the strings are blank. e200 gets a data abort
23:04:22***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:04:29Bagderyou must make it 32bit aligned in pluginlib_lang.c
23:04:30midgeyi thought something like that might be causing the e200 crashes
23:05:27BagderI don't know why the gigabeat survives that. Does it happen to get them aligned?
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23:06:15midgeyWell, i just dumped the plugin buffer and the english builtin strings are all there and the spanish strings are there as well
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23:07:20midgeyto make the address aligned, can I do that with some build trickery or do I need to add code to make sure the address passed is the next available aligned address in the buffer?
23:07:38emacsenHi. I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas on why rbutil doesn't see my network
23:07:48emacsenI just want to put the boot loader back on my e200
23:07:54Bagdermidgey: you're probably best off with some code for that due to how MAX_PLUGIN_LANGUAGE_SIZE is used
23:08:26midgeyok i have some ideas about how that will work.
23:08:37Bagder if(plugin_language_strings & 3)
23:08:37Bagder plugin_language_strings += (4 - plugin_language_strings & 3);
23:08:37midgeyother than the alignment issues, what are your thought on the patch?
23:08:45BagderI like the concept
23:09:03midgeyi like it a lot better than previous attempts
23:09:14Bagder(I didn't compile that, just wrote it off my head)
23:09:48krazykitemacsen, are you running it with sufficient privaleges, ie root or administrator?
23:10:02emacsenyeah. it'll need root to talk to the device
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23:10:14emacsenI even moved my network so eth0 is in use (from wireless to wired)
23:10:17emacsenno proxy needed
23:10:29gevaertsemacsen: linux 64 bit ?
23:10:55emacsengevaerts, yup
23:11:06krazykitemacsen, if all you need is the bootloader, just get sansapatcher. the link is in the manual
23:11:28Bagdermidgey: perhaps this approach is nicer:
23:11:34emacsenkrazykit, ok
23:12:29gevaertsemacsen: Other people have had the same issue. rbutil seems to work fine in a 32-bit chroot in those cases, but I don;t know much more
23:12:49emacsenkrazykit, thanks
23:12:56emacsenand gevaerts thanks too. I think I have what I need now
23:13:47midgeyBagder: I like it, testing it out on my gigabeat
23:14:30midgeyseems to work great!
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23:15:12midgeyi'll spend a little bit of time testing it out on all my targets and then i'll upload it to the tracker
23:15:22Bagdersounds like a great plan
23:15:56Bagdermidgey: you could use your recent mail to me as a basis for a description of the concept in the wiki page
23:16:13midgeyyep, I will
23:16:24midgeyso whats the next step for my project?
23:17:26midgeyamiconn mentioned having the loader only load the strings needed by each plugin using the user keyword (i think) or should I work on another part of my proposal such as localized plugin browsing
23:18:36Bagderyes, only loading the necessary strings will be what we want, as the amount of plugins will keep on increasing
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23:19:25Bagderespecially for lowram target it'll be noticable
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23:21:30midgeyok, I'll get to work on loading the necessary strings. has someone already come up with some ideas on how it should work?
23:22:48BagderI don't think so. We discussed it a long time ago that it would be useful but I don't think we ever came to any conclusive design of preference or anything
23:23:44midgeyok i'll start hacking something together
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23:24:57Bagdergoodie, and now our backup mentor is in the race with us
23:25:16midgeyjust saw the email
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23:32:47*bluebrother puts a note about rbutil on 64bit on the wiki page
23:34:16kugelBagder, midgey: I just ask and have no real idea! But, isn't the language loaded into the language buffer anyway? Couldn't a plugin access this buffer?
23:35:09Bagderno, in midgey's work the plugin language is not loaded there
23:35:34Bagderas that buffer is adjusted to the core's largest language file these days...
23:36:29midgeykugel: in one of my earlier patches, when a plugin was loaded, it would clear the language buffer and populate it with the plugin strings and on exit would restore the original language.
23:37:49kugelAlright. I meant, if the plugin can access (and use) the core language buffer (and the strings in it). But that's crap, since it'd mean that all plugin specific strings would be allso in the core
23:37:58midgeyi discussed it briefly on IRC and amiconn and pixelma both weren't very fond of this method.
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23:38:40midgeyIn my latest patch, which will probably be uploaded to the tracker within 24 hours, the language buffer is kept in tact and the plugin strings are stored in the plugin buffer. Both the plugin strings and core strings are accessible by a plugin
23:38:58kugelBut I really look forward to plugin localization. 1 step forward to my evil plan to implement the settings menus as a plugin :)
23:39:43kugelmidgey: Ah, that's cool. Kinda hybrid.
23:40:48kugelThat's actually even better
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23:41:59kugelmidgey: But only those plugin strings which meet the global language will be loaded, or all strings in all languages?
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23:44:25midgeyif a plugin author wishes to use plugin strings he must call plugin_use_lang()
23:44:46midgeythis function will load the english plugin language
23:45:18midgeyand if a language is specified in global_settings, that plugin language will be loaded
23:45:43midgeyit's essentially the same method the core uses for loading languages
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23:46:51midgeyall plugins have access to the core language but plugin_use_lang() must be called if the plugin needs to use strings not found in the core
23:48:17*bluebrother thinks calling settings as plugin "evil" quite fits
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23:49:32kugelbluebrother: why?
23:49:57Nico_Phasn't this question been answered time and time again?
23:49:59bluebrotherbecause its core functionality.
23:50:58kugelbluebrother: Oh, very nice answer
23:51:02bluebrotherRockbox should be fully functional without any plugins. Currently properties and credits are plugins −− but not having them around doesn't limit the functionality.
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23:51:39bluebrotherbut if a settings plugin is missing you can't change any setting. And if you move the settings parser to the plugin as well you'd even won't be able to load settings.
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23:52:50kugelbluebrother: I'd only move the settings menus there (so the visual side), not the whole settings stuff. E.g. reading the config.cfg at startup would be still in core
23:53:17bluebrotheryou'd still cut major functionality if the plugin is missing.
23:53:39bluebrotheror think of the support question that comes up every now and then with incompatible plugins
23:54:26Nico_Pkugel: what advantage is there besides bin size?
23:54:53bluebrothernow imagine you want to change replaygain settings while playing music. You need to have a disc spinup to load the plugin, therefore a delay. Not nice.
23:55:14kugelless ram usage, which could be e.g. usable for audio buffering
23:55:26bluebrotherand please keep HDD based players in mind. Depending on the player this is noticeable
23:55:32Nico_Pthat's no more than a few KB...
23:55:48bluebrotherthe required RAM is neglectible
23:56:56scorche|shunless we want to be neglecting RAM here ;)
23:57:09kugelAnyway, I think we don't need to further argue about it. As Nico_P said, it's beed discussed again and again
23:57:11Bagderthe hdd players that have most to gain by getting more ram available will be the ones that suffers most in speed by loading it dynamically...
23:57:12bluebrotherhehe ...
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23:58:25Nico_Pkugel: that's exactly why I don't understand why you still want to implement it... it looks like a waste of time to me
23:58:45*Bagder wonders off in his bed's general direction
23:58:57bluebrotherNico_P: it's what he said ... his evil plan ;-)

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