| 00:00:22 | stripwax_ | secleinteer - any useful information on the page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus |
| 00:02:04 | * | stripwax_ shrugs |
| 00:03:55 | BigBambi | secleinteer: any progress should appear in the appropriate thread in the New Ports forum |
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| 00:20:06 | stripwax_ | it would make sense to disable the lineout on ipod dock (as per fs#8668) conditional on the accessory adc reading no attached device |
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| 00:21:35 | MU{lappy} | Could anyone tell me what file isnt in order when I get "File not found" in the gigabeats bootloader? |
| 00:21:48 | MU{lappy} | erm... bad quote |
| 00:21:54 | MU{lappy} | but i was getting that before, too |
| 00:22:07 | MU{lappy} | i went through a number of restores before i got it "right" |
| 00:22:30 | MU{lappy} | not sure what the issue is, but i suspect that the FS is somehow not quite right and bootloader can't read the files |
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| 01:07:53 | Davide-NYC | What is the current state of the GBS port? Is the GigabeatSPort page up to date? |
| 01:09:20 | DerPapst | yes... |
| 01:09:36 | DerPapst | it's pretty usable already i think |
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| 01:12:48 | DGMurdockIII | hi |
| 01:13:00 | secleinteer | BigBambi: thanks, i wasn't sure if the thread was up to date |
| 01:13:00 | DGMurdockIII | i have a qustion |
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| 01:14:10 | DGMurdockIII | where can ifind the app to install the rockbox firmware |
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| 01:15:30 | advcomp2019 | DGMurdockIII, the app should be linked in the manual of the player your have |
| 01:15:48 | advcomp2019 | s/your/you |
| 01:15:55 | DGMurdockIII | im on windows |
| 01:16:06 | secleinteer | noooo, not the doze |
| 01:16:09 | DGMurdockIII | please dont assume im on linux |
| 01:16:27 | secleinteer | wait |
| 01:16:32 | advcomp2019 | the windows app is linked in there too |
| 01:16:53 | secleinteer | there are people still using windows??! |
| 01:16:53 | DGMurdockIII | can u just link me to the windows one |
| 01:17:08 | DGMurdockIII | im only using windows till reacts is in beta |
| 01:17:29 | secleinteer | reactos isn't going to go anywhere |
| 01:17:42 | secleinteer | it's a unnecessary waste of labor |
| 01:18:22 | DGMurdockIII | nwhen was the last time you loocked at the progress of reactos and tryed one of there livecds |
| 01:18:25 | secleinteer | wine, on other hand, is releasing 1.0 very soon ;p |
| 01:18:36 | secleinteer | tried it about a year ag |
| 01:18:38 | secleinteer | o |
| 01:18:45 | secleinteer | i was like, ok.... |
| 01:18:55 | secleinteer | besides, i don't want a windows clone |
| 01:18:55 | DGMurdockIII | reactos works wery closly with the win devs |
| 01:19:01 | DGMurdockIII | wine* |
| 01:19:14 | secleinteer | i know |
| 01:19:16 | advcomp2019 | here it is then: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility .. but if that does not work, you will need to read the manual |
| 01:19:22 | secleinteer | and if they worked on one project, it'd be even better! |
| 01:19:42 | advcomp2019 | DGMurdockIII and secleinteer, you are getting offtopic |
| 01:20:06 | secleinteer | sry ;\ |
| 01:20:15 | DGMurdockIII | they dont work on the wine project they wwork with they for stuff they will be usfally for reacts |
| 01:20:16 | drfsupercenter | Hm, will Rockbox work on a first-gen iPod Nano? |
| 01:20:21 | drfsupercenter | or does it have to be a video-ype |
| 01:20:23 | drfsupercenter | *type |
| 01:20:38 | secleinteer | drfsupercenter: yes |
| 01:20:39 | secleinteer | works |
| 01:20:56 | drfsupercenter | Does it let you play vidos? Or just musc? |
| 01:21:00 | drfsupercenter | gah stupid keyboard |
| 01:21:06 | secleinteer | ya i'm having keyboard probs too |
| 01:21:10 | secleinteer | just music |
| 01:21:15 | drfsupercenter | well this one uses batteries... sometimes they die |
| 01:21:19 | secleinteer | need a vid chip to play vids w/o a super good proc |
| 01:21:19 | drfsupercenter | Heh, OK |
| 01:21:21 | drfsupercenter | but games and stuff too? |
| 01:21:23 | secleinteer | ya mine uses batteries too |
| 01:21:27 | secleinteer | wireless |
| 01:21:29 | secleinteer | ya, games |
| 01:21:32 | drfsupercenter | OK |
| 01:21:35 | secleinteer | no videos, i don't think |
| 01:21:35 | PaulJam__ | the nano plays video under rockbox |
| 01:21:38 | drfsupercenter | I don't own an iPod, but my siser has a 4GB Nano |
| 01:21:43 | secleinteer | i have a ipod photo, and it does games |
| 01:21:49 | drfsupercenter | PaulJam_, the old Nano? or the iPod Nano + Video |
| 01:21:49 | secleinteer | PaulJam_: really, how? |
| 01:21:59 | secleinteer | i thought the new nanos weren't rockboxable |
| 01:22:04 | drfsupercenter | Hers is old |
| 01:22:13 | drfsupercenter | maybe not "first gen", but it's the old kind that has an uber small screen |
| 01:22:15 | secleinteer | so does anyone know how to pm a person on the forums? i can't figure out how |
| 01:22:23 | secleinteer | do i have to add them to my buddy list first? |
| 01:22:26 | PaulJam__ | read the manual or the PluginMpegPlayer wiki page |
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| 01:23:03 | drfsupercenter | but how do you put videos on a Nano under Rockbox? |
| 01:23:07 | drfsupercenter | Do you still use iTunes to sync it? |
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| 01:23:25 | allele | I don't think so drfsupercenter |
| 01:23:28 | PaulJam__ | secleinteer: you can't PM with a postcount of 0. could this be the problem? |
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| 01:23:37 | secleinteer | yes, that's it |
| 01:23:42 | allele | I think you just put them on the nano and open them on the filebrowser |
| 01:23:43 | secleinteer | kk |
| 01:23:43 | secleinteer | thx |
| 01:23:44 | drfsupercenter | allele, so does it make it like a MSC drive? |
| 01:23:58 | drfsupercenter | I know you can partition your iPod as a drive, but I didn't think you could see the actual mp3s in Windows |
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| 01:24:37 | allele | the mp3's you add using itunes, or at least that's how I did it, but videos for rockbox were just put on it in disk mode |
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| 01:24:50 | DGMurdockIII | is the creative vision: M supported on the rockbot utility yes or is the firmware still not finshed yet for it? |
| 01:25:10 | drfsupercenter | How do you put an iPod in disk mode to begin with? |
| 01:25:24 | drfsupercenter | Now of course, I'd have to ask my sister if she even wants Rockbox, but you'd have to be an idiot not to ;) |
| 01:25:55 | PaulJam__ | drfsupercenter: this should be described in the installation instructions in the manual |
| 01:25:56 | secleinteer | just close iCrap |
| 01:26:02 | drfsupercenter | LOL |
| 01:26:03 | drfsupercenter | OK |
| 01:26:04 | secleinteer | and you should be able to access the disk mode |
| 01:26:09 | advcomp2019 | DGMurdockIII, as for the creative zen vision:m, you can read the forum since i think the rockbox utility does not work with it yet |
| 01:26:14 | secleinteer | or just don't use iCrap at all, like me ;/ |
| 01:26:28 | secleinteer | winamp has a good ipod plugin |
| 01:26:37 | drfsupercenter | but you can't just open an iPod in Windows |
| 01:26:39 | drfsupercenter | last I trie |
| 01:26:40 | drfsupercenter | d |
| 01:26:43 | secleinteer | DGMurdockIII: they're working on it |
| 01:26:44 | allele | I currently just got a sansa e280r and think it's much better than a nano |
| 01:26:46 | secleinteer | drfsupercenter: yes you can |
| 01:26:48 | drfsupercenter | and yo uknow, I want Rockbox for my Zune >:O |
| 01:26:59 | secleinteer | but then again, i don't know much about this "windows" |
| 01:27:03 | drfsupercenter | Sansa e280 is uber ownage, allele |
| 01:27:08 | drfsupercenter | Did you buy it off woot.com? |
| 01:27:09 | allele | agreed |
| 01:27:12 | secleinteer | creative zen ftw ;/ |
| 01:27:15 | secleinteer | 32gb ssd |
| 01:27:17 | allele | no, ebay |
| 01:27:18 | drfsupercenter | LOL |
| 01:27:20 | drfsupercenter | How much |
| 01:27:24 | allele | like 50 |
| 01:27:25 | drfsupercenter | Mine was $75 including shipping from Woot |
| 01:27:27 | drfsupercenter | Nice |
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| 01:28:19 | secleinteer | drf|away: $295 |
| 01:28:45 | secleinteer | got a 500gb hdd too, those are ridiculously cheap nowadays |
| 01:28:49 | DGMurdockIII | is the creative vision: M fireware able to be loaded on to the player |
| 01:29:48 | advcomp2019 | DGMurdockIII, i am not sure.. that is why i said to look at the rockbox forums |
| 01:29:59 | secleinteer | DGMurdockIII: ya |
| 01:30:03 | secleinteer | but it's not fully functional |
| 01:30:06 | secleinteer | just look at forums already |
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| 01:36:33 | allele | secleinteer: sansas running rockbox can read and write on a microsd up to 32gb (once one exists) right? |
| 01:37:02 | secleinteer | allele: don't know, but i don't see why not |
| 01:37:11 | secleinteer | check forums/site |
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| 01:37:36 | allele | eh, I'll take your word for it until one is actually released :D |
| 01:37:37 | advcomp2019 | allele, yes with rockbox you have use microsdhc cards |
| 01:38:04 | advcomp2019 | s/have/can |
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| 02:03:28 | secleinteer | advcomp2019: this isn't vi, you can just use a * to replace a word ;/ |
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| 02:06:47 | advcomp2019 | secleinteer, i use both.. it just depends on where and who i am talking to.. this is getting offtopic tho |
| 02:07:29 | secleinteer | advcomp2019: you get too worried about getting off topic ;/ |
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| 02:20:31 | replicant | howdy, any of you had success at possibly having a rockboxed ipod that can either a.) be in rockbox firmware and use directory browsing/playing, or b.) be in apple firmware and have the itunes DB use the directory structure that you setup on your ipod? make sense? i'm not looking to use the itunes DB in rockbox firmware. the goal is to be able to use the ipod in my car with the factory integration (it only recognizes the it |
| 02:23:31 | PaulJam__ | your message got cut off after "(it only recognizes the i" |
| 02:24:20 | replicant | oh |
| 02:24:21 | replicant | um |
| 02:24:33 | replicant | htanks :D |
| 02:24:34 | replicant | (it only recognizes the itunes DB and not random mp3s as a folder structure), but when not hooked to my car, i MUCH prefer rockbox. |
| 02:24:36 | replicant | that is the rest |
| 02:25:29 | replicant | was about to post this question on the forums, but wanted to ask here (may get faster response here) |
| 02:25:43 | replicant | didn't find an answer at all ont he forums or a regular google search |
| 02:26:10 | replicant | it may not be possible, or no one has really bothered and ended up just converting their music to an apple firmware supported format (but thats a serious pain in the arse) |
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| 02:27:37 | PaulJam__ | i'm not sure, but i think the ipod DB can't work with a normal folderstructure. so in order to use both firmwares you have to use the Database in rockbox or have all the music twice on your player. |
| 02:27:51 | replicant | hmm, that was what i feared |
| 02:28:09 | replicant | somehing about itunes can only see files (for "security reasons") with a length of n characters |
| 02:28:17 | replicant | and a specific folder structure |
| 02:29:12 | PaulJam__ | i would guess that the limit is there for performance reasons, to keep the DB small. |
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| 02:34:52 | PaulJam__ | replicant: btw, what speaks against using the rockbox database. in my opinion it works very good. |
| 02:35:16 | replicant | well if the rockbox database is confirmed compatible with ipod car integration kits, then i'd LOVE to use it |
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| 02:35:44 | replicant | i'm waiting on mine to get shipped, i'm taking the plunge and purchasing it anyway (regardless of confirmed rockbox compatibility) |
| 02:35:59 | PaulJam__ | no, i mean transfer the music using itunes and acces the music in rockbox via the database. |
| 02:36:41 | replicant | ok so the rockbox db can see the itunes db? it just converts/clones that db for rockbox usage, but leaves the files/folders as they are for itunes to see/use? |
| 02:37:38 | PaulJam__ | the rockbox DB wirks independent of the itunes DB, it scans the metadata of the files. |
| 02:37:45 | PaulJam__ | *works |
| 02:38:12 | replicant | i see, so it lets you leave the file/folders as they are for itunes to use, but then compiles its own db for rockbox use |
| 02:38:16 | replicant | interesting |
| 02:38:20 | replicant | should have thought of that |
| 02:38:27 | replicant | that'll be hte answer i get on the forums i'm sure |
| 02:38:57 | PaulJam__ | btw, what ipod are you going to purchase (the classic is not compatible with rockbox)? |
| 02:39:38 | replicant | not purchasing ipod (have mod'd ipod mini and modded 4g at the moment) −− purchasing the integration kit for my car |
| 02:39:57 | PaulJam__ | ah ok |
| 02:41:25 | PaulJam__ | this page might interest you: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories |
| 02:41:32 | replicant | yeah just came across that |
| 02:41:55 | replicant | thanks :D need to read up on how to get rockbox to compile the db from itunes library |
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| 02:52:24 | kugel | replicant: Rockbox builds his own database |
| 02:53:26 | kugel | replicant: But you can use either databases, depeding on whether you boot into the OF (apple firmware) or rockbox |
| 02:54:04 | replicant | kugel, that's exactly what i want to be able to do, be able to use either or without problems (and most importantly, not have to duplicate files for apple or rockbox use) |
| 02:54:08 | kugel | replicant: And of course, you use the same music files for the databases, you don't need to have your music twice |
| 02:54:18 | replicant | thanks PaulJam__ and kugel :D |
| 02:54:24 | replicant | this makes me super happy |
| 02:55:05 | kugel | replicant: It's really easy. If you are in your car, you can boot into the OF, otherwise you use rockbox |
| 02:55:49 | replicant | thanks, that's exactly what i want :) |
| 02:56:03 | kugel | replicant: Rockbox features dual boot. You don't lose any feature of the of |
| 02:58:56 | replicant | thanks |
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| 03:03:14 | replicant | since i was going to have to convert my flac to something anyway, i was thinking of converting flac to 320kbit cbr mp3s to save on space; i would think in a car with road noise anyway, flac/apple lossless vs. 320kbit cbr mp3s is not going to be THAT noticeable; even when hooked to my headphones (just some audio technica ah7's), i can't really tell a difference between flac and 256kbit... you guys think i'm nuts and just for |
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| 05:03:17 | saratoga | alright, finally got the UI sim to run half way in the target tree, now to merge the rest into it |
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| 06:41:44 | Archagon | Hey all, I need some help. Whenever I select "next track" soon after a track starts, it often takes seconds to change track. What's going on? |
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| 10:42:34 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: a device knows that it can use 500mA if the host does a SET_CONFIGURATION to a configuration that asks for 500mA. Rockbox currently only has one possible configuration, so if the host sets that you're good. The easiest way to see it is in usb_core.h, usb_state == CONFIGURED |
| 10:42:41 | * | gevaerts blames extreme irc lag |
| 10:45:00 | markun | gevaerts: for what? |
| 10:45:27 | gevaerts | markun: my response appearing 11 hours after the question :) |
| 10:45:36 | markun | :) |
| 10:46:11 | markun | good to see that Maurus can come to devcon |
| 10:47:11 | gevaerts | Indeed |
| 10:47:30 | * | gevaerts is looking forward to devcon. Less than four weeks now... |
| 10:48:31 | * | petur is looking forward to other things as well |
| 10:48:58 | markun | petur: when is the baby due? |
| 10:49:05 | petur | today :) |
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| 10:49:29 | petur | but it doesn't look like it will be today.... but any day now :) |
| 10:49:30 | markun | wow! (but maybe we should take that to #rockbox-community) |
| 10:49:53 | krz | hi everyone |
| 10:49:58 | gevaerts | Depends. If the baby will be a dev later, it's on topic here :) |
| 10:50:12 | markun | hi krz |
| 10:50:22 | petur | rofl |
| 10:51:15 | B4gder | my daughter at least that "working" equals sitting in front of a computer |
| 10:51:20 | B4gder | +knows |
| 10:51:34 | markun | ;) |
| 10:51:45 | * | gevaerts waves at krz |
| 10:51:49 | markun | B4gder: how old is she now? |
| 10:51:55 | B4gder | she'll turn 5 in sep |
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| 11:42:58 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: parse_list() is your thing yeah? what do you think about allowing it to continue parsing if values arnt correct? |
| 11:43:33 | linuxstb_ | Why would you want to do that? |
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| 11:44:55 | JdGordon | I'm trying to think of a nice way to do the progress bar so you dont have to specify every value.. |
| 11:45:17 | JdGordon | it could also be good in viewports so it would use the default values for items... |
| 11:45:25 | linuxstb | Then you want optional values, rather than continuing after an error. |
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| 11:46:10 | JdGordon | I'm not sure if we want to allow optional values or not anyway though |
| 11:46:26 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.ca/1036754 is the changed parse_list() |
| 11:46:33 | linuxstb | Nor am I. I think it could just complicate things. |
| 11:46:57 | JdGordon | although, I can see why wps artissts would love it |
| 11:47:24 | linuxstb | It doesn't add any new features for WPS designers though - just saves them a little typing. |
| 11:47:25 | * | JdGordon is looking for an OK to completly mangle the %pb behaviour :p |
| 11:48:18 | Llorean | If it just saves them typing, I'm more or less against it. I think explicit declarations are better, especially when new people read old WPSes to learn things from them. |
| 11:48:38 | Llorean | A few extra characters probably never killed anyone. Yet. |
| 11:49:25 | JdGordon | well, one nice reason would be if you have a mostly text based wps you could use blanks for the colours in the viewport definitions to use the themes colours, whatever they are |
| 11:49:41 | JdGordon | another one is height going off the font height instead of hardcoded |
| 11:50:29 | Llorean | That's different from optional. You could also allow, as you suggested, the - character to mean "use the default" |
| 11:51:31 | JdGordon | in which case, I'd like to get an opinion on that paste... thats an easy way to figure out which items were correctly specified |
| 11:52:04 | JdGordon | after calling it youd check the valid_vals value against some mask which has to be set to see if you bother continue parsing or fail |
| 11:55:30 | JdGordon | *room goes silent* :/ |
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| 12:04:57 | pixelma | JdGordon: the progressbar changes don't remove the possibilty to have a drawn one (if I don't specify a filename), right? |
| 12:08:38 | pixelma | and are the other values I need still the same: height, "start position", "end position", y-coordinate? |
| 12:10:27 | Llorean | pixelma: They've changed to x, y, width, height to be in line with other things, I think. |
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| 12:11:36 | pixelma | that would be weird in the example given in the latest tracker task comment: "%pb|8|5|171|182|pb-176x220x16.bmp|" <- height of 182? :) |
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| 12:12:46 | Llorean | Maybe I'm wrong? |
| 12:15:58 | GodEater | *gasp*. Surely not ? |
| 12:16:40 | Llorean | Surely there are forum members who would be astonished to know I'm capable of saying that. ;) |
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| 12:23:56 | pixelma | ok, testing reveals that the pb parameters are still the same and still optional - and having a short and a long pb in 2 viewports shown conditionally seems to work... |
| 12:32:38 | JdGordon | back.. yes havnt changed the meaning of the params yet |
| 12:34:12 | * | JdGordon is in the process of changing them to proper values atm |
| 12:38:37 | JdGordon | pixelma: have you prepared screenies of the other issues yet? |
| 12:38:59 | JdGordon | also, what was the story with the fm screen? pebkac? or turned out to be a bug? |
| 12:39:30 | pixelma | was about to, just returned and had some other things to do |
| 12:40:26 | JdGordon | and yes, if no filename is given it uses the old bar |
| 12:40:32 | JdGordon | s/old/ugly |
| 12:41:36 | pixelma | I don't know exactly what happened with the fm screen (the prerecording time line didn't show the first time I tried after rolo'ing in the new build). Then changed the font back and forth and it was there next time I tried |
| 12:42:17 | JdGordon | wierd |
| 12:42:21 | pixelma | I'm using the old bar - don't think it's ugly just simple and e.g. lets me have a WPS without backdrop |
| 12:45:42 | pixelma | otherwise I would have to use another bmp for the "frame" or have a progressbar that just floats around somewhere |
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| 12:52:31 | JdGordon | I seem to have broken the progressbar :'( |
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| 13:01:19 | kugel | JdGordon: You didn't answer on the mailing list :( |
| 13:01:35 | JdGordon | Llorean beat me to it |
| 13:01:50 | kugel | JdGordon: But he didn't say something about filename as second parameter |
| 13:02:07 | JdGordon | i havnt deicded whats going to happen with that |
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| 13:06:40 | PaulJam | kugel: what would be the advantage (apart from less typing) if the coordinate parameters were optional? |
| 13:08:00 | kugel | PaulJam: I don't know. And I don't know if they are as of now optional. I assumed that since JdGordon said: "which means you have to specify all 4 number values also" |
| 13:08:48 | * | kugel just notice his copy&paste failure in the mail :( |
| 13:09:19 | pixelma | currently all parameters are optional in the %pb tag |
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| 13:15:51 | JdGordon | and we are working again :) |
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| 13:24:54 | * | JdGordon doesnt like having 2 patches in the one task, but doesnt think the pb patch deserves a seperate one... |
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| 13:33:21 | JdGordon | pixelma: new merged patch is up whenever your ready to try again :) |
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| 14:03:38 | JdGordon | PaulJam: you round? |
| 14:03:46 | PaulJam | yes |
| 14:04:12 | JdGordon | im working on the removeing margins patch, can you explain the 2 points in your comment? |
| 14:04:27 | JdGordon | hardcoded default is cabbie? or the real default? |
| 14:04:51 | PaulJam | the basic text only wps |
| 14:05:33 | * | JdGordon isnt sure if he fixed these issues and forgot to update the tracker or not :( |
| 14:05:54 | JdGordon | with the statusbar disabled that wps looks fine |
| 14:06:58 | PaulJam | when i tried it had an offset of the statusbar height from the top of the screen. |
| 14:07:58 | JdGordon | ah, im getting a diferent problem where the statusbar is overlapping the top line if its enabled |
| 14:08:01 | * | JdGordon fixes |
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| 14:10:48 | * | JdGordon notices something should be done about allowing just %pb with the other patch |
| 14:11:31 | JdGordon | dunno how to do that though :/ |
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| 14:12:54 | * | JdGordon slaps JdGordon, IJUT! shold be painfully obvious how to do that! |
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| 14:24:56 | AceNik | hey guys what does a "malformed patch at line 50" indicate how do i fix it |
| 14:24:57 | JdGordon | ARGG..... where is this bloody bug?! |
| 14:25:18 | JdGordon | it means the patch wasnt made correctly.. or manually edited badly |
| 14:25:36 | AceNik | s how do i fix it ? |
| 14:25:43 | AceNik | its made by someone else |
| 14:26:04 | JdGordon | depends on how bad the problem is |
| 14:27:12 | AceNik | well it jus says patch malformed at index: apps/recorder/radio.c at line 50 |
| 14:27:25 | AceNik | so what should i be lookin out for ? |
| 14:29:38 | kugel | AceNik: That means, that something with those @@ +xx,y -aa,b @@ lines is wrong |
| 14:29:52 | B4gder | it can be other errors too |
| 14:30:00 | B4gder | like a line wrap |
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| 14:30:33 | AceNik | kugel: @@ -23,6 +23,7 @@ what exactly does this mean, -23 means it should start the patch at that line right |
| 14:31:10 | kugel | yep, the 6 means how many lines are there (in the hunk) before the patch is applied. |
| 14:31:22 | kugel | the right side means the same, but after the patch is applied |
| 14:31:41 | AceNik | ok just one minute then |
| 14:33:01 | AceNik | ok what if i manually apply all the changes of the required file & then recmpile the patch will that work |
| 14:33:42 | B4gder | then it'd be as if you applied the patch successfully, yes |
| 14:34:11 | B4gder | if that works or not in the end if of course depending on the actual changes done |
| 14:34:38 | AceNik | ok ill try |
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| 15:13:09 | Mrcheesenips | Is there a way to change the background and make it an image or picture on rockbox? |
| 15:13:21 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:13:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | Do you have an image for use as a background? |
| 15:13:47 | Mrcheesenips | yes |
| 15:13:55 | Mrcheesenips | im ready to transfer it |
| 15:13:59 | Mrcheesenips | to the ipod |
| 15:14:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Is it sized to your player's display? |
| 15:14:05 | Mrcheesenips | no.. |
| 15:14:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | Which iPod? |
| 15:14:14 | Mrcheesenips | Ipod Nano 1st Gen |
| 15:14:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | Resize the image to 176x132 first. |
| 15:14:29 | Mrcheesenips | ok |
| 15:14:31 | Mrcheesenips | brb |
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| 15:14:44 | B4gder | and make it a bmp |
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| 15:15:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | When you're done, let us know. |
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| 15:19:28 | Mrcheesenips | ok, I made it that resolution and its a bmp what next |
| 15:20:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Navigate to the folder you copied the bitmap to in the file view, then press and hold SELECT to bring up the context menu. |
| 15:21:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then select "Set As Backdrop". |
| 15:21:47 | Mrcheesenips | oh ok |
| 15:21:48 | Mrcheesenips | thanks! |
| 15:23:48 | PaulJam | a little hint: put the backdrop in ".rockboc/backdrops/" . this way it will stay after reboot. |
| 15:24:02 | Mrcheesenips | ok |
| 15:24:08 | PaulJam | .rockbox/backdrops/ |
| 15:25:20 | Mrcheesenips | the should it appear outomaticly? |
| 15:25:30 | Mrcheesenips | when I reboot |
| 15:25:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, as long as you set it. |
| 15:25:39 | Mrcheesenips | k |
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| 15:27:38 | Mrcheesenips | it keeps saying backdrop failed when I try to set it |
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| 15:31:38 | PaulJam | what is the colour depth of the .bmp? i'm not sure if there are any restrictions. try to save it as 24bit bmp. |
| 15:32:11 | Mrcheesenips | ok |
| 15:36:06 | Mrcheesenips | ok I did that |
| 15:36:11 | Mrcheesenips | but it still didnt work |
| 15:38:41 | PaulJam | how long is the filename? |
| 15:39:35 | Mrcheesenips | I got it on my ipod but It says backdrop failed, the name is ipodbackground.mp |
| 15:39:44 | Mrcheesenips | ipodbackground.bmp* |
| 15:39:58 | Mrcheesenips | without the star :-) |
| 15:40:48 | PaulJam | hmm, i can't think of anything else that could be wrong. maybe chack the resolution again. |
| 15:40:59 | Llorean | And it's a standard bitmap? What resolution, and what player do you have? |
| 15:41:20 | Mrcheesenips | hmm ok Ill just play around with it, maby try another image |
| 15:41:29 | Mrcheesenips | Lorean look above |
| 15:42:30 | Llorean | I meant more in the sense of "have you double checked to make sure everything is exactly that" |
| 15:43:20 | Mrcheesenips | yes I have |
| 15:43:22 | Llorean | Though I'll admit, I missed which player you have. |
| 15:43:34 | Mrcheesenips | Ipod Nano 1st Gen |
| 15:43:36 | Mrcheesenips | :-) |
| 15:43:42 | Llorean | I know, I read up when you said to |
| 15:43:57 | Mrcheesenips | k |
| 15:44:02 | Llorean | But usually that error message means that your file either isn't really a bitmap, or isn't really the right resolution. |
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| 15:44:05 | Llorean | What did you use to convert it? |
| 15:44:42 | Mrcheesenips | I went into gimp and went to image, and scaled the image to 176x132 |
| 15:44:54 | Llorean | And then exported as a windows bitmap? |
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| 15:45:04 | Mrcheesenips | Yes |
| 15:45:11 | Mrcheesenips | Yes |
| 15:45:14 | Mrcheesenips | pretty sure |
| 15:45:14 | PaulJam | can you upload the image somewhere? |
| 15:46:55 | Mrcheesenips | yah |
| 15:46:59 | Mrcheesenips | then give you the link? |
| 15:48:53 | PaulJam | yes |
| 15:48:56 | Mrcheesenips | ok |
| 15:50:30 | Mrcheesenips | http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcheesenips/2544390205/ I just uploaded it to flickr... |
| 15:52:15 | petur | looks to me it is the wrong size |
| 15:52:34 | PaulJam | hmm, flickr converted it to .jpg, but unless it changed the resolution aswell, it is too big. |
| 15:53:05 | Llorean | It's the wrong ratio too |
| 15:53:08 | Llorean | Not 4:3 |
| 15:53:25 | Llorean | So even if flickr changed the resolution, it would've had to also have distorted it. |
| 15:53:55 | Mrcheesenips | hmm...well I now for a fact that the image .oh wow..I just figured out that gimp didnt make it the right reso it make it 280x176... |
| 15:54:17 | Mrcheesenips | so is there another way I could make it smaller? |
| 15:56:26 | PaulJam | if you're on Windows try IrfanView. |
| 15:56:52 | petur | yay for irfanview :) |
| 15:56:59 | PaulJam | but it should be possible with the gimp too. |
| 15:58:57 | JdGordon | PaulJam: AH CRAP! I figured out the problem... the wps isnt reloaded when the statusbar setting changes |
| 15:59:29 | wpyh | Mrcheesenips: When setting the resolution in gimp, you might have forgotten to unlock the ratio |
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| 16:01:33 | PaulJam | JdGordon: ah, i guess that explains why you saw the opposite behaviour. |
| 16:01:42 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 16:01:56 | Mrcheesenips | ill rtry.. |
| 16:01:59 | Mrcheesenips | try.. |
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| 16:02:14 | * | JdGordon has a not so nice fix for this in his head... |
| 16:02:27 | JdGordon | send of an event when the statusbar value changes... |
| 16:03:09 | Mrcheesenips | how do I umlock the ratio? |
| 16:03:48 | scorche | Mrcheesenips: perhaps it might be better to head to #gimp or similar? |
| 16:03:56 | Mrcheesenips | oh and I just downloaded irfanview |
| 16:04:04 | Mrcheesenips | I can use irdanview |
| 16:08:57 | Mrcheesenips | ok thanks anyway bye! |
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| 16:21:03 | JdGordon | PaulJam: wanna test a new patch? |
| 16:21:19 | PaulJam | sure. |
| 16:21:48 | JdGordon | ok, ill put it on the tracker in a min |
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| 16:25:00 | JdGordon | k, online |
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| 16:31:38 | JdGordon | does anyone else think sending off an event when teh statusbar (and probably buttonbar) is enabled/disabled is an abuse of the event system? |
| 16:45:46 | PaulJam | JdGordon: the new patch fixes the issues as far as i can see, but when the statusbar is shown in the WPS it flickers everytime when entering the wps and on trackchange. (on h300) |
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| 16:46:28 | JdGordon | the bar flickers? or the whole screen? |
| 16:46:45 | PaulJam | only the bar. |
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| 16:47:36 | JdGordon | on target yeah? |
| 16:47:46 | JdGordon | doesnt seem to flicker on the sim, but thats probably expected |
| 16:49:12 | PaulJam | in my uisim it flickers too, but on target it is more noticeable. |
| 16:52:01 | JdGordon | ok, off to bed, ill have a look at it on target tomorow |
| 16:52:07 | JdGordon | well.. today actualy :( |
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| 17:23:02 | cellofellow | I just attempted to install RockBox on my Sansa E250 and it will just show the SanDisk screen at boot and won't load either firmware (you push Left to boot the SanDisk firmware, right?). Is this thing a brick and in need of unbricking? |
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| 17:23:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | cellofellow: Is your Sansa a v2? |
| 17:23:42 | cellofellow | nope |
| 17:23:50 | cellofellow | I checked that. :) |
| 17:24:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Is it a Rhapsody model? |
| 17:24:10 | cellofellow | I think so. |
| 17:24:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | If it is, then you want this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200R |
| 17:26:38 | cellofellow | no, it's a non-R model. |
| 17:27:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Okay, then the instructions you want are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
| 17:27:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | And please make sure to read the manual as well. http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html |
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| 17:28:44 | gevaerts | cellofellow: one general warning : when trying to recover a device, if you find the instructions unclear or something doesn't work as expected, ask for help, don't try out random things |
| 17:28:54 | cellofellow | ok |
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| 17:56:04 | yorky501 | hi, I have a small problem, just started using rockbox on my ipod video. As far as i can tell i have removed all the .m4a files from the device however when i open an album in the database there are still m4a files there any ideas why? |
| 17:56:21 | n1s | GodEater: wouldn't calling plugin_load() from inside a plugin try to return to the caller when the loaded plugin exits? (i.e. some random place in the new plugin) |
| 17:57:03 | domonoky | yorky501: check the recycle bin.. :-) |
| 17:57:09 | n1s | yorky501: maybe you have a recycle bin on it or something, windows does this sometimes |
| 17:57:29 | yorky501 | im running linux |
| 17:57:58 | n1s | yorky501: are the files actually there and not only in the data base? |
| 17:58:36 | yorky501 | well i cant find them on the device but they still play, which is a mystery to me, so they must be somewhere on it |
| 17:59:11 | domonoky | yorky501: make a playlist out of them, and save it... then you can check the paths. |
| 17:59:43 | n1s | yorky501: if itunes copied them over they are in the ipod_control dir which might be hidden |
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| 18:00:02 | yorky501 | ok ill check that out |
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| 18:02:44 | yorky501 | could i delete the ipod_control dir?? thats where the files are but i can't get into it |
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| 18:03:02 | n1s | yes you can |
| 18:03:12 | yorky501 | with no ill effect??? |
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| 18:03:38 | gevaerts | If you don't plan to use itunes, you don't need ipod_control at all. |
| 18:04:01 | gevaerts | s/itunes/the OF/ |
| 18:04:07 | Llorean | And if you ever reboot into the OF, it'll rebuild ipod_control anyway |
| 18:04:08 | billblack | BillBlack here asking for wiki write access so I can post my dumb WPS |
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| 18:04:48 | yorky501 | its quite strange, the files are in iPod_control/Music, but it doesn't show up when i do ls -a |
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| 18:05:00 | domonoky | billblack: done |
| 18:05:12 | domonoky | billblack: promise not to spam ! :-) |
| 18:05:23 | billblack | no prob thanks |
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| 18:07:41 | yorky501 | thanks for help guys, deleted the ipod control folder thats sorted it |
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| 18:19:16 | rvvs89 | You might want to take a look at this, re GPL violation: http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=30143 |
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| 18:40:51 | DuoMaxwel | im having troubles with getting video on my e280 |
| 18:41:03 | DuoMaxwel | either the size is wrong |
| 18:41:14 | DuoMaxwel | or the audio is out of sync |
| 18:41:24 | DuoMaxwel | what would you guys recommend for encoding? |
| 18:42:19 | PaulPosition | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#How_To_Encode_Files |
| 18:42:30 | * | gevaerts uses ffmpeg |
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| 18:43:11 | PaulPosition | winff (I think its a gui for ffmpeg??) comes, reportedly, with presets for all the current rockbox targets. |
| 18:43:35 | DuoMaxwel | thanks all |
| 18:43:46 | * | PaulPosition wouldn't know.. 1 inch screen on his h10 is too small to bother with vids |
| 18:45:08 | Llorean | I think it's missing one or two of the newest targets (c200, at least) |
| 18:45:20 | Llorean | But yes, it comes with presets and it's a frontend for ffmpeg. |
| 18:46:22 | PaulPosition | That would make sense indeed, if rockbox dev outraces winff releases from time to time.. :D |
| 18:46:53 | Llorean | Well, WinFF just got their presets from us. |
| 18:46:58 | Llorean | And I've been kinda lazy about writing new ones. |
| 18:47:26 | DuoMaxwel | im running an e200 |
| 18:47:30 | DuoMaxwel | so im happy =) |
| 18:49:08 | DuoMaxwel | alright so i ran WinFF and it simply freezes at chcp 1252 | PROMPT |
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| 18:50:53 | Buschel | saratoga: you there? |
| 18:51:12 | DuoMaxwel | any ideas anyone? |
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| 18:51:26 | Llorean | DuoMaxwel: Well, it's not exactly our software. If you have problems with it, you should seek support from its support channels. |
| 18:51:46 | DuoMaxwel | yeah i assumed as much |
| 18:51:49 | DuoMaxwel | thought id try asking anyway =P |
| 18:52:04 | DuoMaxwel | alright well thanks for the link |
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| 19:18:22 | * | n1s looks for an aac test track |
| 19:19:29 | n1s | found the mplayer site again :) |
| 19:23:20 | Buschel | saratoga: regarding mp3-decoding speed -> it might be interesting to change the "III_aliasreduce" (synth_full_arm.S) to 32bit multiplies (mul/mla instead of smull/smlal), as well as the imdct-windowing (imdct_I_arm-S) |
| 19:24:15 | Buschel | saratoga: as a first step we could start with replacing the smull/smlal with mul/mla without taking care of the resulting audio −− just to get an impression of speed |
| 19:24:50 | n1s | hmm, has anyone tried aac on 64bit? |
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| 19:25:38 | Buschel | saratoga: if the gain in speed is reasonable, the next steps (pre-scaling constants and operands) can be done and the accuracy can be measured |
| 19:25:55 | Buschel | n1s: yes, many years ago |
| 19:26:02 | Buschel | n1s: not transparent :o) |
| 19:26:38 | n1s | Buschel: I mean playing aac in the rb sim... |
| 19:27:17 | Buschel | n1s: no, I've only got mpc, mp3 and flac |
| 19:28:04 | n1s | I wanted to test a small correction i made to the aac codec but it seems the metadata parser doesn't like the sample files I've found |
| 19:28:22 | n1s | or it makes some nasty assumption that breaks on 64 bit |
| 19:29:06 | preglow | aac works in the sim for me |
| 19:29:11 | preglow | but i don't have too many files |
| 19:29:37 | n1s | ok, I'll search for some more files then |
| 19:31:41 | n1s | the metadat parser has a few things that look suspicious though |
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| 19:35:41 | n1s | preglow: btw, I heard a rumor about you syncing libfaad in rockbox with the upstream (or whatever you'd call it) ;) |
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| 19:41:50 | kugel | Buschel: I've read today that a "Andree Buschmann" invented musepack :O Is that you? |
| 19:42:19 | kugel | That would explain that you seem to focus on musepack :) |
| 19:44:53 | cellofellow | ok, I've tried to install RockBox on my Sansa E200 using these instructions http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation. Now it seems that these were the wrong instructions, how do I fix my player (it won't boot either system)? |
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| 19:46:03 | cellofellow | btw I'm using Ubuntu. |
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| 19:47:20 | Buschel | kugel: yep |
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| 19:47:29 | kugel | Buschel: Cool! |
| 19:48:18 | Buschel | kugel: that's why i work on it in rockbox, nearly all my files are mpc :) |
| 19:49:38 | kugel | Yea, I've noticed. I think the rockbox project can be lucky that a inventor of a codec contributes that much |
| 19:49:51 | preglow | n1s: i did sync it, result wasn't fully working, so i stopped bothering |
| 19:49:56 | preglow | n1s: i have a patch for anyone who cares, though |
| 19:50:20 | n1s | well, I still don't have a single aac file that rockbox can play... |
| 19:50:24 | * | DerPapst has not one mpc file... |
| 19:50:38 | cellofellow | I need to completely clean my Sansa and start over. How do I get it back to clean? (Original Firmware or whatever)? |
| 19:50:56 | cellofellow | Can I use the Sansa firmware updater gizmo? |
| 19:51:07 | n1s | cellofellow: see the unbrick instructions that were linked the last time you asked |
| 19:51:26 | cellofellow | I tried that, maybe I should be more specific I guess. |
| 19:51:41 | gevaerts | cellofellow: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick should have everything you need |
| 19:51:54 | cellofellow | I'll try again, then. |
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| 19:53:05 | gevaerts | cellofellow: don't try the 'i2c rom' instructions linked to near the bottom. You most probably won't need them, and they are really dangerous. |
| 19:53:14 | cellofellow | k |
| 19:53:42 | cellofellow | I did install some kind of bootloader using manufacturer mode, can I get rid of that? I don't see instructions on that page. |
| 19:54:13 | gevaerts | Does it do anything ? |
| 19:55:00 | gevaerts | Using manufacturer mode, you don't directly install things, the bootloader you give to e200tool only serves to get you in recovery mode |
| 19:55:11 | gevaerts | From there you install new bootloaders |
| 19:55:24 | cellofellow | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation |
| 19:55:44 | cellofellow | I used these instructions and the e200rpatcher.linux utility. |
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| 19:58:00 | gevaerts | I would put it in manufacturer mode, from there in recovery mode, and then do a full recovery (PP5022.mi4, BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom and sansa.fmt) |
| 19:58:39 | gevaerts | Don't copy any other files to it, and don't forget to unmount cleanly |
| 19:58:45 | Angryman | Just a hint: "Big Buck Bunny" another open movie project... could be also mirrored in the MPEGplayer Wiki... (and i like it more than elephants dream ;-)) |
| 19:58:55 | Angryman | http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/index.php/about/ |
| 19:59:12 | bluebrother | Bagder: when sending mails to the user-ml I get a bounce since a few times from some unrelated address (looks like a subscriber). Is this behaviour intended? |
| 19:59:30 | cellofellow | ok, so how do I get to recovery mode from manu. mode? |
| 19:59:51 | gevaerts | e200tool recover BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom |
| 19:59:52 | Bagder | bluebrother: it's probably a misconfigured user's mail server somewhere or so |
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| 20:00:16 | * | cellofellow thinks he needs a link to download those |
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| 20:00:53 | * | gevaerts thinks that the wiki page he linked to earlier has all needed links |
| 20:00:53 | bluebrother | ah −− sorry, got confused. I kinda thought it was coming through the list server. |
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| 20:04:32 | * | bluebrother stupid |
| 20:06:09 | Bagder | no worries |
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| 20:08:23 | cellofellow | I hate to call myself and idiot, but I guess RockBox (at least on a SanDisk) isn't idiot-proof yet. |
| 20:09:20 | Bagder | idiot proofing is very hard as idiots can be very imaginative |
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| 20:11:26 | Buschel | wpyh: finished your runtime test on nano with OF? |
| 20:11:39 | cellofellow | haha, true |
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| 20:12:20 | domonoky | does anybody know why you could get a segfault before main is called ? |
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| 20:15:30 | Bagder | domonoky: wow, that should be a feat in a normal *nix app |
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| 20:16:26 | gevaerts | It _can_ be done, but normally you need bad RAM, a bad compiler, or your very own crt0.S |
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| 20:17:11 | gevaerts | Or maybe a bad LD_PRELOAD library ? |
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| 20:17:29 | Bagder | that replaces main! ;-) |
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| 20:18:05 | domonoky | the bad thing is that i have such code here at moment, but its under windows (test code from my gsoc student) |
| 20:18:31 | krz | jup =) |
| 20:21:04 | gevaerts | Really main(), and not some kind of winmain(), gtkmain(), or whatever ? |
| 20:21:17 | cellofellow | gevaerts: what output am I supposed to get from that command? |
| 20:21:31 | bluebrother | domonoky: it's cpp? |
| 20:22:05 | bluebrother | then it's absolutely possible −− just think of a constructor doing nasty stuff. |
| 20:22:11 | gevaerts | cellofellow: I can't remember. It's been a while since I saw it |
| 20:22:12 | domonoky | its pure c, but its somewhere in __mingw_CRTStartup but before my main is called.. |
| 20:22:31 | cellofellow | :( |
| 20:22:33 | bertrik | maybe extremely excessive stack usage? |
| 20:22:40 | bluebrother | is the offending code around somewhere? |
| 20:22:44 | gevaerts | cellofellow: what does it give you ? |
| 20:23:00 | cellofellow | Control message (-110, Connection timed out |
| 20:23:05 | cellofellow | that's the last line of a dozen or so |
| 20:23:22 | cellofellow | e200tool v0.2.3-alpha (c) by MrH 2006, 2007 |
| 20:23:24 | cellofellow | Searching for device 0781:0720 ... found! |
| 20:23:24 | cellofellow | Initializing USB stub (4780 bytes) ... done! |
| 20:23:24 | cellofellow | Writing 'BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom' to address 0x10600000 |
| 20:23:24 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK cellofellow |
| 20:23:24 | cellofellow | Searching for device 6666:e200 ... 9 found! |
| 20:23:24 | cellofellow | Write at 0x10624da4 |
| 20:23:25 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 20:23:25 | cellofellow | Control message (-110, Connection timed out) |
| 20:23:33 | bluebrother | cellofellow: please use a pastebin the next time |
| 20:23:47 | cellofellow | I figured it wasn't that big, but ok, I'll do that. |
| 20:24:06 | gevaerts | cellofellow: I'd say try again, maybe using a different usb port |
| 20:24:09 | bluebrother | we usually prefer pastebins if it's longer than 3 or 4 lines. |
| 20:24:13 | domonoky | krz: i think your only chance is, to clean up the code, and show it to others.. :-) |
| 20:24:21 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 20:24:21 | * | gevaerts wonders what's up with logbot |
| 20:24:26 | cellofellow | ok |
| 20:24:36 | Bagder | gevaerts: no ops |
| 20:24:49 | gevaerts | lucky for cellofellow :) |
| 20:24:51 | bluebrother | domonoky: it might also be interesting if the issue occurs on linux too |
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| 20:27:58 | cellofellow | hey, I have my proprietary firmware back! Yay! |
| 20:28:12 | cellofellow | Now, what's the proper installation method for a non-Rhapsody E250? |
| 20:28:23 | krazykit | that'd be found in the manual :) |
| 20:28:24 | n1s | the one in the manual is recomended |
| 20:28:30 | Bagder | we have a fine manual |
| 20:28:46 | gevaerts | I'd recommend rbutil. It's more idiot-proof than the manual method ;) |
| 20:28:47 | cellofellow | ok, I'll ignore the one for the E200R in the Wiki then. :) |
| 20:28:56 | n1s | but it has its not-so-fine places too ... |
| 20:29:33 | cellofellow | ok, using rbutil |
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| 20:31:07 | cellofellow | ok, this is interesting, you can play Doom on a Sansa with RockBox? Or is that only bigger/more powerful players like iPod or iRiver? |
| 20:31:27 | krazykit | again, it's in the manual |
| 20:31:52 | krazykit | (and the sansa is just as "powerful" as the ipods, which are weak targets as far as swcodec devices go) |
| 20:31:55 | cellofellow | ok, ok, ok |
| 20:32:34 | cellofellow | I wouldn't ever try to play H.256 on a Sansa, though. |
| 20:32:41 | cellofellow | H.264 rather |
| 20:33:12 | krazykit | not that you could, as mpegplayer only plays mpeg1 and 2 |
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| 20:33:45 | cellofellow | I mean that's the format iPods play anyway. |
| 20:34:13 | PaulPosition | cello - Because they have a specialty chip for decoding, if I recall correctly. |
| 20:34:13 | gevaerts | Only in the OF, using hardware help |
| 20:34:16 | cellofellow | Could it be possible (I know it hasn't been done yet) to play XviD on a Sansa? |
| 20:34:28 | cellofellow | Oh, it's accelerated, got it! |
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| 20:35:11 | Bagder | you do need to transcode it to the small screen anyway, so why bother with xvid? |
| 20:35:27 | n1s | it's way cooler! |
| 20:35:37 | cellofellow | better compression than the mjpeg stuff the OF uses. |
| 20:35:38 | Bagder | and its backwards! |
| 20:35:40 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 20:35:52 | * | gevaerts sees the 'you do need to transcode anyway' argument again, and still disagrees |
| 20:35:53 | Bagder | cellofellow: mpeg2 is already way better compressed |
| 20:35:59 | cellofellow | ok, figures. |
| 20:36:09 | Bagder | gevaerts: disagrees with what? |
| 20:36:16 | Bagder | that you need to transcode? |
| 20:36:31 | gevaerts | That you need to transcode because of the size |
| 20:36:44 | gevaerts | The net is full of lowres video |
| 20:36:45 | cellofellow | I'd prefer if a portable video player would scale and crop on its own so you don't need to transcode anything unless you are worried about storage space. |
| 20:36:59 | cellofellow | Sansa res is about 1/2 of YouTube. |
| 20:37:04 | Bagder | gevaerts: I doubt you'll find a lot of video you like for these screens |
| 20:37:17 | Bagder | but sure, if you do you won't have to change it for the size |
| 20:37:25 | cellofellow | (And with the mjpeg compression and PCM audio, still comes out bigger on the Sansa than the original FLV file.) |
| 20:37:26 | Bagder | then it's only for the format |
| 20:37:29 | gevaerts | Bagder: maybe on sansa, but there is plenty of 320x240 around |
| 20:37:43 | Bagder | yes, for those screens I agree with you |
| 20:38:40 | n1s | cellofellow: most of our targets have way too slow cpus to scale on the fly |
| 20:39:02 | n1s | as they are barely able to play back a prescaled video... |
| 20:39:16 | Bagder | cellofellow: this is rockbox, no mjpeg here |
| 20:39:23 | cellofellow | yeah, I know. I guess I'll just have to wait for a portable media player that can play high-def x264/vorbis matroska files. |
| 20:39:39 | n1s | it's called a laptop... |
| 20:39:46 | cellofellow | that works |
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| 20:41:15 | cellofellow | I have found a list of codecs that RockBox supports, but what about muxers? |
| 20:41:22 | cellofellow | What container formats does it support? |
| 20:41:30 | Bagder | the "native" ones |
| 20:41:53 | cellofellow | so nothing weird? |
| 20:41:54 | Bagder | for each codec I mean |
| 20:42:05 | gevaerts | So no ogg/mp3 or similar |
| 20:42:09 | cellofellow | vorbis in Ogg only, that sort of thing? |
| 20:42:15 | preglow | yes |
| 20:42:18 | preglow | mostly |
| 20:42:35 | preglow | we don't really have a separete demux layer, all the container handling is in the codec |
| 20:42:57 | preglow | and we're pretty fine with that thus far |
| 20:42:59 | cellofellow | ok |
| 20:43:38 | cellofellow | so it does do mpeg and mpeg2 video, in what container? (there's so many I get confused) |
| 20:43:53 | cellofellow | and what audio codec? mp1/2/3? |
| 20:43:58 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 20:44:21 | Llorean | As for the container, standard mpeg program stream if memory serves. Basically you're looking for a "normal" .mpg file |
| 20:44:37 | cellofellow | ok |
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| 20:48:07 | cellofellow | my Sansa mounts as /media/SD\ Player, which seems to not work with rbutil. Is the mountpoint the problem? |
| 20:50:26 | bluebrother | it should be able to work with a space in the mount point, but I need to admit I never tried that. |
| 20:50:43 | bluebrother | I'd suggest trying without a space. Could indeed be the problem. |
| 20:50:45 | cellofellow | I'll brb. |
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| 20:53:16 | Clamm | Any advice how to remove thhe stuff installed by "rockboxdev.sh" script? (OS X) |
| 20:53:46 | Llorean | Isn't it all stuff you can get rid of just by deleting the appropriate folders? |
| 20:54:02 | Clamm | I wanted to ask before doing that ;-) |
| 20:54:04 | Bagder | and possibly remove the downloaded tarballs |
| 20:54:21 | Llorean | Bagder: That's in an "appropriate folder" too, normally. ;) |
| 20:54:49 | Clamm | On Tiger everything worked fine... Leopard doesnt like i anymore ;-( Switching to VM |
| 20:54:49 | Bagder | well, I think many people use a shared folder for that, I mean shared for other purposes too |
| 20:55:01 | Llorean | Aaah |
| 20:55:31 | krazykit | Clamm, the vmware image is always an option too :) |
| 20:55:48 | Clamm | Or cygwin on bootcamp ;-) |
| 20:56:14 | krazykit | cygwin is has terrible performance compared to even the vmware image, though. |
| 20:56:57 | Llorean | krazykit: You make it sound like the vmware image's performance is bad as well, and cygwin is just worse. |
| 20:58:07 | * | gevaerts predicts that cygwin in vmware will be worse |
| 20:58:36 | Makuseru | hi, im having a problem with the Rockbox Database. A few songs are showing up with a space before their name and thats causing them to show up in a different directory. I checked them from the computer and the space isnt in their file name, nor in the id3 tags, and the space dosnt even show up when i click "view tags" from my mp3 player. anyone know what is causing this space to show up even though everything else says its not there? |
| 20:58:39 | krazykit | the joys of text-only communication. the vmware image should be very good |
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| 20:59:10 | Llorean | Makuseru: What do you mean "different directory" |
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| 21:00:03 | Makuseru | it shows up as a seperate artist. the artist name is "Mew" and most of the music shows up there, but a few songs are showing up as " Mew" with a space infront of it, so its under a different name |
| 21:00:34 | Llorean | Makuseru: The songs are MP3 with which version of ID3 tags? |
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| 21:00:52 | Makuseru | Llorean: let me check |
| 21:01:20 | Llorean | One thing to check for is if they have both ID3v1 and ID3v2 tags. |
| 21:02:21 | Makuseru | how do i tell what version they are? |
| 21:03:50 | Llorean | Depends on what software you're using. I really can't talk you through any specific software, as it's not something I normally do, so you'll be better off just checking your documentation. |
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| 21:04:30 | Makuseru | so it wont tell you in the "properties" (right clicking on the mp3 and clicking properties) |
| 21:04:56 | Llorean | I don't know, as I said. But I doubt it. |
| 21:05:39 | cellofellow | oh, there we go, I had to run as root. |
| 21:10:58 | Makuseru | Llorean: they are v1 tags |
| 21:11:44 | Llorean | And you're sure v2 don't exist alongside them? |
| 21:11:47 | * | cellofellow just uses EasyTag to be sure his tags are ID3v2.3 (for some reason Sansa chokes on 2.4. Hope RockBox fixes this.) |
| 21:12:33 | Llorean | cellofellow: Rockbox doesn't "fix" things. It just does things. It's not a modification of the original firmware, but rather a completely independent piece of software\ |
| 21:12:41 | Makuseru | Llorean: |
| 21:12:41 | Makuseru | max@desktop:~/Desktop$ id3v2 -R 1.mp3 |
| 21:12:41 | Makuseru | id3v1 tag info for 1.mp3: |
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| 21:13:26 | cellofellow | Well, I know that, but what I see is problem: my Sansa doesn't read certain tags. solution: use rockbox, which supports more tags. |
| 21:13:50 | cellofellow | get it? it's not fixing the Sansa firmware, but fixing my problem. |
| 21:13:55 | cellofellow | scratching my itch |
| 21:14:25 | Llorean | Makuseru: And what did you use to verify that the added space isn't actually there? |
| 21:14:46 | Makuseru | i just read the tags, both on my compter and from inside rockbox |
| 21:15:34 | Llorean | With variable width fonts an extra space can be nearly invisible. |
| 21:16:50 | Makuseru | well my media player on my computer shows that there are no spaces (it puts all files from that artist in the same directory, and i even renamed all the tags to make sure there wasnt a space there) |
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| 21:17:10 | bluebrother | another way would be to look at the first bytes of the file |
| 21:17:15 | Llorean | Did you re-initialize the Rockbox database after altering the tags? |
| 21:17:19 | Makuseru | Llorean: i ran that command on them again, and they are showing two versions of id3 now |
| 21:17:33 | Makuseru | with the space being there in the V1 but not the V2 |
| 21:19:14 | gevaerts | That could be the problem. I don't remember which tags rockbox tries first |
| 21:19:31 | Llorean | Priority can be set, iirc. |
| 21:19:35 | bluebrother | for the wps this depends on a setting. No idea about the database |
| 21:20:27 | Makuseru | does anyone know any ways to edit the V1 tags, because apparently Amarok only lets me edit V2 tags on them |
| 21:20:53 | bluebrother | you could simply strip them with id3v2 |
| 21:20:55 | cellofellow | easytag has all the tagging options you could ever want |
| 21:21:36 | Makuseru | cellofellow: i think i alreayad downloaded that beacuse i was haveing trouble editing m4a tags, lemme check |
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| 21:30:30 | Makuseru | cellofellow: how would i do what im trying to do in EasyTag? |
| 21:31:15 | cellofellow | in the preferences there's a lot of options about ID3 versions. You can have it sync up your v1 and v2 tags. |
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| 21:32:58 | Toni1 | I just committed my FS #9007 and hope of a green table |
| 21:33:17 | Makuseru | cellofellow: i dont see where that option is |
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| 21:36:51 | cellofellow | I seem to remember another tag editor I had in Gutsy that would allow you to individually edit tags in both versions. |
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| 21:37:49 | Makuseru | that would be very helpful, i cant seem to figure out how to do what i need in Easy Tag |
| 21:39:03 | midgey | Bagder: I'm writing up a method of how I'm building my simulators with my patch. I'll send you the email as soon as I've gotten it written up and confirmed that it works for me |
| 21:40:10 | cellofellow | Makuseru: Audio Tag Tool, i think |
| 21:40:12 | Lear | Rockbox reads ID3v2 tags first. There was an option to control that, but it has been removed. |
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| 21:41:47 | Makuseru | cellofellow: "Audio Tag Editor"? |
| 21:42:29 | cellofellow | tagtool |
| 21:42:38 | cellofellow | apt-get install tagtool |
| 21:43:00 | gevaerts | The last time I used tagtool it erased all tags that it didn't know about |
| 21:43:28 | cellofellow | didn't do that for me. |
| 21:43:33 | * | gevaerts is still angry about that |
| 21:43:40 | cellofellow | it just left them alone, as unknown tags |
| 21:43:40 | Makuseru | i just searched "id3" in adept, and got a program that edits v1 and v2 independantly |
| 21:44:01 | cellofellow | cool, but tagtool does do that. |
| 21:44:29 | Buschel | Toni1: first commit? |
| 21:44:38 | gevaerts | I think the tags it removed were TCOM |
| 21:45:32 | Toni1 | Buschel: Not exactly, but last commit was around one year ago, if I remember correctly :-) |
| 21:45:50 | * | gevaerts could be wrong. It could be another program |
| 21:46:15 | Buschel | Toni1: that explains why I did not find another commit after rough search ;-) |
| 21:46:52 | mcuelenaere | Toni1: are you the author of Toni's emulator? |
| 21:48:29 | Toni1 | mcuelenaere: Yes, I am. But it is really tricky to improve more. |
| 21:48:46 | mcuelenaere | cool |
| 21:48:58 | mcuelenaere | I tried adding support for the DM320 target, but didn't came far |
| 21:49:04 | cellofellow | Yay! RockBox is working and I love it! |
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| 21:50:52 | Toni1 | mcuelenaere: I fully understand, because you need some knowledge of the real hardware (or have to analyze the assembler output very carefully. |
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| 21:51:56 | mcuelenaere | Toni1: about the real hardware, I have the datasheets for it so that isn't a really big problem |
| 21:52:17 | mcuelenaere | it's just that running the OF's code is tricky to debug |
| 21:53:07 | mcuelenaere | perhaps I should attach my changes to the flyspray entry as I added an extra window with registers contents etc + step-by-step emulation |
| 21:53:21 | Toni1 | mcuelenare: The cop handling is still very buggy, so if the OF relies on that, then you may be lost. |
| 21:53:55 | mcuelenaere | the dm320 doesn't have a real cop, only a cp5 (handling mmu etc I think) |
| 21:54:02 | mcuelenaere | it's an arm926ej-s |
| 21:54:20 | mcuelenaere | although the chipset does have a c54xx dsp + some other minor cop's |
| 21:54:31 | Toni1 | ah, ok. So new instructions included? |
| 21:54:58 | mcuelenaere | I haven't changed anything to the instruction handling |
| 21:55:00 | Buschel | bye folks |
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| 21:55:17 | mcuelenaere | I just left the cop instruction handling doing nothing atm |
| 21:55:37 | mcuelenaere | but I'm planning to help with the ARM emulator SoC |
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| 21:56:04 | mcuelenaere | hoping that'll help porting/understanding the ZVM |
| 21:56:20 | * | gevaerts was just about to mention gsoc |
| 21:57:16 | mcuelenaere | about that SoC: has any work been reported yet? I've only seen some wiki pages about the other SoC's |
| 21:58:14 | gevaerts | I don't really know. TaylorKillian has mentioned looking into things, but that may have been a few weeks ago |
| 21:58:29 | gevaerts | I hope LinusN knows more |
| 21:59:14 | mcuelenaere | I already tried contacting LinusN, but he didn't respond |
| 21:59:21 | mcuelenaere | (trough forum PM) |
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| 22:00:30 | midgey | Bagder: email sent. Hopefully that clears some things up. |
| 22:01:26 | * | gevaerts sees that LinusN has visited the forums this morning |
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| 22:02:42 | gevaerts | I would suggest to just mail everyone involved. |
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| 22:06:48 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: yes, that's what bothers me. either he doesn't read PM's or he ignored me (or I did something wrong while sending the PM) |
| 22:09:12 | gevaerts | I would try email to both TaylorKillian and LinusN |
| 22:09:43 | * | gevaerts wouldn't be surprised if someone doesn't see the PM indication on the forums |
| 22:10:44 | mcuelenaere | but normally you get an email if you received a PM, not? or is this option disabled as default? |
| 22:10:51 | * | bluebrother did happen to miss PMs |
| 22:11:08 | gevaerts | Good question. |
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| 22:11:35 | mcuelenaere | but it doesn't really matter, I'll mail them anyway |
| 22:14:03 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: here? |
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| 22:43:20 | * | Bagder plays blackjack in espanol |
| 22:43:39 | Llorean | Plugin Localization? |
| 22:43:40 | Bagder | midgey: it was just my own mistakes |
| 22:43:54 | Bagder | Llorean: yes, midgey gsoc work in progress |
| 22:43:59 | gevaerts | Now just wait until it actually speeks spanish to you |
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| 22:58:26 | * | gevaerts gives up trying to do anything in this heat and just goes to sleep. Good night ! |
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| 22:59:32 | * | mcuelenaere follows gevaerts example and is heading off to cooler places.. |
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| 22:59:48 | * | Bagder does instead do the data abort dance |
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| 23:01:25 | Horschti | can't flush this |
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| 23:03:08 | midgey | Bagder: glad to see you got a working sim. I'm not sure why it doesn't work on target. I know v7 worked on target at one point an now it doesn't. |
| 23:03:20 | Bagder | I know why! |
| 23:03:36 | Bagder | lang_init_helper() gets the 'dest' variable to an odd address |
| 23:03:45 | midgey | When testing on the gigabeat, the strings are blank. e200 gets a data abort |
| 23:04:22 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:04:29 | Bagder | you must make it 32bit aligned in pluginlib_lang.c |
| 23:04:30 | midgey | i thought something like that might be causing the e200 crashes |
| 23:05:27 | Bagder | I don't know why the gigabeat survives that. Does it happen to get them aligned? |
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| 23:06:15 | midgey | Well, i just dumped the plugin buffer and the english builtin strings are all there and the spanish strings are there as well |
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| 23:07:20 | midgey | to make the address aligned, can I do that with some build trickery or do I need to add code to make sure the address passed is the next available aligned address in the buffer? |
| 23:07:38 | emacsen | Hi. I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas on why rbutil doesn't see my network |
| 23:07:48 | emacsen | I just want to put the boot loader back on my e200 |
| 23:07:54 | Bagder | midgey: you're probably best off with some code for that due to how MAX_PLUGIN_LANGUAGE_SIZE is used |
| 23:08:26 | midgey | ok i have some ideas about how that will work. |
| 23:08:37 | Bagder | if(plugin_language_strings & 3) |
| 23:08:37 | Bagder | plugin_language_strings += (4 - plugin_language_strings & 3); |
| 23:08:37 | midgey | other than the alignment issues, what are your thought on the patch? |
| 23:08:45 | Bagder | I like the concept |
| 23:09:03 | midgey | i like it a lot better than previous attempts |
| 23:09:14 | Bagder | (I didn't compile that, just wrote it off my head) |
| 23:09:48 | krazykit | emacsen, are you running it with sufficient privaleges, ie root or administrator? |
| 23:10:02 | emacsen | yeah. it'll need root to talk to the device |
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| 23:10:14 | emacsen | I even moved my network so eth0 is in use (from wireless to wired) |
| 23:10:17 | emacsen | no proxy needed |
| 23:10:29 | gevaerts | emacsen: linux 64 bit ? |
| 23:10:55 | emacsen | gevaerts, yup |
| 23:11:06 | krazykit | emacsen, if all you need is the bootloader, just get sansapatcher. the link is in the manual |
| 23:11:28 | Bagder | midgey: perhaps this approach is nicer: http://pastebin.com/m270baf3 |
| 23:11:34 | emacsen | krazykit, ok |
| 23:12:29 | gevaerts | emacsen: Other people have had the same issue. rbutil seems to work fine in a 32-bit chroot in those cases, but I don;t know much more |
| 23:12:49 | emacsen | krazykit, thanks |
| 23:12:56 | emacsen | and gevaerts thanks too. I think I have what I need now |
| 23:13:47 | midgey | Bagder: I like it, testing it out on my gigabeat |
| 23:14:30 | midgey | seems to work great! |
| 23:14:36 | Bagder | cool! |
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| 23:15:12 | midgey | i'll spend a little bit of time testing it out on all my targets and then i'll upload it to the tracker |
| 23:15:22 | Bagder | sounds like a great plan |
| 23:15:56 | Bagder | midgey: you could use your recent mail to me as a basis for a description of the concept in the wiki page |
| 23:16:13 | midgey | yep, I will |
| 23:16:24 | midgey | so whats the next step for my project? |
| 23:17:26 | midgey | amiconn mentioned having the loader only load the strings needed by each plugin using the user keyword (i think) or should I work on another part of my proposal such as localized plugin browsing |
| 23:18:36 | Bagder | yes, only loading the necessary strings will be what we want, as the amount of plugins will keep on increasing |
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| 23:19:25 | Bagder | especially for lowram target it'll be noticable |
| 23:19:36 | Bagder | targetS |
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| 23:21:30 | midgey | ok, I'll get to work on loading the necessary strings. has someone already come up with some ideas on how it should work? |
| 23:22:48 | Bagder | I don't think so. We discussed it a long time ago that it would be useful but I don't think we ever came to any conclusive design of preference or anything |
| 23:23:44 | midgey | ok i'll start hacking something together |
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| 23:24:57 | Bagder | goodie, and now our backup mentor is in the race with us |
| 23:25:16 | midgey | just saw the email |
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| 23:32:47 | * | bluebrother puts a note about rbutil on 64bit on the wiki page |
| 23:34:16 | kugel | Bagder, midgey: I just ask and have no real idea! But, isn't the language loaded into the language buffer anyway? Couldn't a plugin access this buffer? |
| 23:35:09 | Bagder | no, in midgey's work the plugin language is not loaded there |
| 23:35:34 | Bagder | as that buffer is adjusted to the core's largest language file these days... |
| 23:36:29 | midgey | kugel: in one of my earlier patches, when a plugin was loaded, it would clear the language buffer and populate it with the plugin strings and on exit would restore the original language. |
| 23:37:49 | kugel | Alright. I meant, if the plugin can access (and use) the core language buffer (and the strings in it). But that's crap, since it'd mean that all plugin specific strings would be allso in the core |
| 23:37:58 | midgey | i discussed it briefly on IRC and amiconn and pixelma both weren't very fond of this method. |
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| 23:38:40 | midgey | In my latest patch, which will probably be uploaded to the tracker within 24 hours, the language buffer is kept in tact and the plugin strings are stored in the plugin buffer. Both the plugin strings and core strings are accessible by a plugin |
| 23:38:58 | kugel | But I really look forward to plugin localization. 1 step forward to my evil plan to implement the settings menus as a plugin :) |
| 23:39:43 | kugel | midgey: Ah, that's cool. Kinda hybrid. |
| 23:40:48 | kugel | That's actually even better |
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| 23:41:59 | kugel | midgey: But only those plugin strings which meet the global language will be loaded, or all strings in all languages? |
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| 23:44:25 | midgey | if a plugin author wishes to use plugin strings he must call plugin_use_lang() |
| 23:44:46 | midgey | this function will load the english plugin language |
| 23:45:18 | midgey | and if a language is specified in global_settings, that plugin language will be loaded |
| 23:45:43 | midgey | it's essentially the same method the core uses for loading languages |
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| 23:46:51 | midgey | all plugins have access to the core language but plugin_use_lang() must be called if the plugin needs to use strings not found in the core |
| 23:48:17 | * | bluebrother thinks calling settings as plugin "evil" quite fits |
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| 23:49:32 | kugel | bluebrother: why? |
| 23:49:57 | Nico_P | hasn't this question been answered time and time again? |
| 23:49:59 | bluebrother | because its core functionality. |
| 23:50:58 | kugel | bluebrother: Oh, very nice answer |
| 23:51:02 | bluebrother | Rockbox should be fully functional without any plugins. Currently properties and credits are plugins −− but not having them around doesn't limit the functionality. |
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| 23:51:39 | bluebrother | but if a settings plugin is missing you can't change any setting. And if you move the settings parser to the plugin as well you'd even won't be able to load settings. |
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| 23:52:50 | kugel | bluebrother: I'd only move the settings menus there (so the visual side), not the whole settings stuff. E.g. reading the config.cfg at startup would be still in core |
| 23:53:17 | bluebrother | you'd still cut major functionality if the plugin is missing. |
| 23:53:39 | bluebrother | or think of the support question that comes up every now and then with incompatible plugins |
| 23:54:26 | Nico_P | kugel: what advantage is there besides bin size? |
| 23:54:53 | bluebrother | now imagine you want to change replaygain settings while playing music. You need to have a disc spinup to load the plugin, therefore a delay. Not nice. |
| 23:55:14 | kugel | less ram usage, which could be e.g. usable for audio buffering |
| 23:55:26 | bluebrother | and please keep HDD based players in mind. Depending on the player this is noticeable |
| 23:55:32 | Nico_P | that's no more than a few KB... |
| 23:55:48 | bluebrother | the required RAM is neglectible |
| 23:56:39 | scorche|sh | s/neglectible/negligible |
| 23:56:56 | scorche|sh | unless we want to be neglecting RAM here ;) |
| 23:57:09 | kugel | Anyway, I think we don't need to further argue about it. As Nico_P said, it's beed discussed again and again |
| 23:57:11 | Bagder | the hdd players that have most to gain by getting more ram available will be the ones that suffers most in speed by loading it dynamically... |
| 23:57:12 | bluebrother | hehe ... |
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| 23:58:25 | Nico_P | kugel: that's exactly why I don't understand why you still want to implement it... it looks like a waste of time to me |
| 23:58:45 | * | Bagder wonders off in his bed's general direction |
| 23:58:57 | bluebrother | Nico_P: it's what he said ... his evil plan ;-) |
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