| 00:00:00 | * | Nico_P is reassured |
| 00:00:22 | * | bluebrother points to IrcNicks :) |
| 00:01:01 | kugel | I know that list, but I allways confuse the two Dominiks anyway |
| 00:01:08 | kugel | :) |
| 00:01:32 | bluebrother | hehe. And both are working on rbutil ... can be somewhat confusing, indeed. |
| 00:01:38 | kugel | yep |
| 00:01:54 | * | bluebrother refuses to change any of his names |
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| 00:04:20 | kugel | Nico_P: BTW, have already looked at my final picture flow improvements patch? |
| 00:04:53 | Nico_P | kugel: no, sorry. I really haven't had much rockbox time lately |
| 00:05:03 | kugel | No problem |
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| 00:11:08 | Phoul | Hey all |
| 00:11:21 | Phoul | Does anyone know of any software that -does- work on the new ipod nanos |
| 00:11:47 | stripwax | Phoul - by "software" do you mean "replacement third-party firmware"? If so, the answer is 'none'. |
| 00:11:51 | PaulJam | i think the apple firmware does work there |
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| 01:10:20 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: here now |
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| 01:11:30 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I'm on my way to bed ;) |
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| 01:11:48 | Nico_P | I just wanted to discuss the possibility of readding the hack |
| 01:12:25 | jhMikeS | i've considered it. anything on your end? |
| 01:13:30 | Nico_P | after some more use, I believe amiconn's changes didn't completely fix the issue |
| 01:14:26 | jhMikeS | adding the hack doesn't fix the issue either, just covers it up :) |
| 01:16:38 | jhMikeS | is your remaining experience much like the description in the forums. |
| 01:16:41 | jhMikeS | ? |
| 01:18:02 | Nico_P | pretty much... I don't have resume on startup, but if I resume shortly after startup, I get some intense disk activity. I never get skips though |
| 01:18:29 | Nico_P | responsiveness varies but remains far better than it used to be before amiconn's changes without the heck |
| 01:18:34 | Nico_P | *hack |
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| 01:25:00 | jhMikeS | it's seems well to be narrowed down to which HD the player has since you've run the 30gig build with no change. amiconn's fix handled the problem after a power cycle but it at this point looking like there an issue until the power is cycled at least once. |
| 01:31:01 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: does a power cycle necessarily involve a spinup/spindown? |
| 01:32:05 | jhMikeS | it's powered off 2 seconds after a spindown |
| 01:33:37 | * | Nico_P really has to go to bed |
| 01:34:00 | jhMikeS | nighty night |
| 01:34:06 | Nico_P | bye ;) |
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| 02:54:41 | wpyh | Buschel: I slept |
| 02:55:06 | wpyh | Buschel: but yes, I finished it: 12:15 with the OF |
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| 03:02:20 | wpyh | So, that's 12:15 for the OF compared to 9:50 for RB |
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| 03:02:35 | wpyh | Done with an assorment of mp3 files |
| 03:02:42 | wpyh | (the exact same set of files) |
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| 04:42:43 | vbman11_ | Hi Guys, I came here to ask permission to edit the wiki |
| 04:43:02 | drfsupercenter | a wiki usually means anyone can edit it |
| 04:43:03 | * | drfsupercenter runs |
| 04:43:53 | vbman11_ | When I went to register, I told me to ask permission |
| 04:44:10 | vbman11_ | I ment "It told me..." |
| 04:44:50 | wpyh | help /action |
| 04:44:58 | wpyh | sorry, missed the / |
| 04:45:12 | * | wpyh scratches head |
| 04:45:53 | | Quit miepchen^schlaf (Connection timed out) |
| 04:46:01 | vbman11_ | This is what it says: " Important: Join the #rockbox IRC channel, introduce yourself and ask for Wiki write permissions. You will not be able to edit any Wiki pages until you do this." |
| 04:46:09 | krazykit | vbman11_, what's your wiki name? |
| 04:46:15 | vbman11_ | vbman11 |
| 04:46:23 | vbman11_ | no underscore |
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| 04:46:39 | krazykit | please reread the rules for registering on the wiki, as that's an invalid name |
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| 04:47:01 | vbman11_ | i'll try to register again |
| 04:47:14 | john | how do you get the sdk for making .rocks |
| 04:47:27 | wpyh | I saw an email today: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2008-06/0012.shtml |
| 04:47:33 | lanuser | Hello - is there a reason I wouldn't be able to see .mpeg files in a foler using the file browser? |
| 04:47:42 | | Quit |donutman25| ("KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/") |
| 04:47:44 | wpyh | There's a line which *could* make it to the Golden Quotes: |
| 04:47:58 | Llorean | john: See the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page. |
| 04:48:00 | vbman11_ | krazykit: Ohh! Sorry. |
| 04:48:08 | wpyh | He has definitely read the manual all the way through more than once, he is very familiar with Lynox and compilers for programs. |
| 04:48:09 | Llorean | lanuser: See the manual regarding the "File View" setting |
| 04:48:27 | wpyh | Llorean: does it qualify? Because of the "Lynox" |
| 04:48:32 | lanuser | Llorean thanks |
| 04:48:46 | Llorean | wpyh: And he/she is blind or visually impaired, so their spelling is based on phonetics. They've probably never seen the word "Linux" because they cannot see, and have only heard it spoken. |
| 04:49:01 | Llorean | It's a little cold to make fun of them because of this. |
| 04:49:03 | wpyh | Llorean: Yup. |
| 04:49:16 | wpyh | I didn't mean to make fun of him/her... |
| 04:49:16 | john | is there an sdk for rockbox? |
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| 04:49:30 | wpyh | Sorry |
| 04:49:41 | wpyh | john: SDK? Yes, there is |
| 04:49:50 | wpyh | just get the svn |
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| 04:50:06 | wpyh | and then run tools/rockboxdev.sh to get it |
| 04:50:21 | Skream13 | could u repeat that, i was disconected |
| 04:50:23 | Llorean | wpyh: He's already left the channel... |
| 04:50:28 | Skream13 | sorry |
| 04:50:32 | vbman11_ | krazykit: ok it's KevinDurbin |
| 04:50:39 | wpyh | Llorean: didn't notice... |
| 04:50:45 | wpyh | Oh, he's Skream13 now |
| 04:50:49 | Skream13 | yeah |
| 04:51:02 | Llorean | Skream13: As I said, see the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page. |
| 04:51:08 | Skream13 | ok |
| 04:51:11 | wpyh | Skream13: get the svn and run tools/rockboxdev.sh to get it |
| 04:51:24 | wpyh | Llorean was faster... |
| 04:52:16 | Skream13 | thankyou wpyh |
| 04:52:48 | krazykit | vbman11_, all set to edit :) |
| 04:53:43 | vbman11_ | krazykit: Thanks! |
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| 05:39:13 | wpyh | Anyone knows where the font drawing part is in the source code? |
| 05:39:25 | wpyh | I couldn't find it |
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| 05:42:27 | JdGordon | wpyh: iirc, fonts are loaded as mono bitmaps and then actually drawn in the lcd driver... |
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| 05:42:37 | windowsrefund | hi |
| 05:42:59 | wpyh | So the fonts are drawn differently for each LCD? |
| 05:43:05 | windowsrefund | I think I bricked my nano |
| 05:43:48 | windowsrefund | using the emergency mode to bypass rockbox and I can now mount the vfat partition but it's read only |
| 05:44:02 | windowsrefund | so I can't run iplodloader against it |
| 05:44:08 | windowsrefund | ipodloader that is |
| 05:44:21 | wpyh | JdGordon: anyway, thanks |
| 05:45:00 | JdGordon | not for each lcd... each lcd type |
| 05:45:11 | JdGordon | 16bit, 2bit, 1bit... |
| 05:45:20 | wpyh | Oh... OK |
| 05:45:21 | wpyh | thanks |
| 05:45:26 | JdGordon | you wanted to do AA yeah? |
| 05:45:28 | wpyh | that would simplify a *lot* of things |
| 05:45:32 | wpyh | yep, I wanted to do AA |
| 05:45:41 | wpyh | not in the near future, since exams are coming |
| 05:45:50 | wpyh | but let me tell you one thing: Rockbox is addictive! |
| 05:45:51 | wpyh | :D |
| 05:45:58 | JdGordon | haha, yeah, join the club |
| 05:46:04 | wpyh | thanks :) |
| 05:46:09 | JdGordon | we hold weekly meetings :p |
| 05:46:15 | wpyh | weekly meetings? |
| 05:46:33 | wpyh | windowsrefund: by the way, try this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
| 05:46:36 | JdGordon | "hi, my name is jonathan and im a rockbox-aholic" |
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| 05:47:19 | wpyh | JdGordon: I didn't quite get it... |
| 05:47:29 | JdGordon | dont worry... |
| 05:47:39 | wpyh | English is my second language :p |
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| 05:48:21 | windowsrefund | thanks wpyh |
| 05:48:23 | JdGordon | think alchol anonymous for rockbox... |
| 05:48:56 | Nathan_Greene | Can some one direct me the the theme documentation on the wiki? |
| 05:49:08 | Nathan_Greene | *to the |
| 05:49:33 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/ |
| 05:49:36 | Nathan_Greene | I cannot seem to find the link |
| 05:50:05 | Nathan_Greene | Ah I am silly |
| 05:50:07 | wpyh | oh :p I get it now |
| 05:50:14 | Nathan_Greene | Sorry |
| 05:50:15 | JdGordon | :) |
| 05:50:18 | Nathan_Greene | I found it |
| 05:50:38 | wpyh | so, like "Hi, my name's William and I'm a Rockbox-aholic"? :D |
| 05:50:50 | JdGordon | there you go :D |
| 05:51:31 | wpyh | :) |
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| 06:07:26 | Nathan_Greene | What all type of images can be used for themes? |
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| 06:08:20 | JdGordon | bmp only |
| 06:12:11 | Nathan_Greene | JdGordon: Will any other support be added? |
| 06:12:22 | JdGordon | unlikely |
| 06:13:16 | Nathan_Greene | bmp is bulky and uncompressed png would be a good replacement |
| 06:13:27 | JdGordon | bmp is easily loaded nativly |
| 06:14:07 | Nathan_Greene | Yeah I guess it would be as bmp isn't compressed |
| 06:14:22 | Nathan_Greene | And would require less memory and such to load |
| 06:14:27 | Nathan_Greene | and render |
| 06:15:14 | Nathan_Greene | *remembers skinning my apps with png files* |
| 06:15:26 | Llorean | Nathan_Greene: The data's going to have to be stored as uncompressed data in RAM anyway for fast drawing, and the small bitmaps used aren't generally a huge hit on disk space which is the only place .png would benefit them (but slow the load) |
| 06:15:47 | Nathan_Greene | Yeah |
| 06:16:06 | Nathan_Greene | I use to do a lot of coding in VB and sharp |
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| 06:34:17 | Worghal | good evening |
| 06:39:14 | wpyh | It's noon here :) |
| 06:40:28 | Worghal | hehe :p |
| 06:40:43 | Worghal | well, its 4:40 here in iceland ;) |
| 06:40:49 | Worghal | am |
| 06:43:29 | Worghal | well, i was wondering how the rockbox is installed through a mac, since ive only seen the bootloader in a video on windows :S |
| 06:45:13 | Llorean | Worghal: Have you read the manual? |
| 06:48:52 | Worghal | hehe, i must be losing my sight, cause i scrolled through it a couple of times :) but i found it now |
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| 07:38:19 | wpyh | There might be a bug in the shut down code |
| 07:38:33 | wpyh | Sometimes pressing 'play' for a few seconds shuts the player down |
| 07:38:41 | wpyh | Sometimes pressing it doesn't do anything |
| 07:38:58 | Llorean | On what player? |
| 07:39:05 | wpyh | Sometimes the player shuts down right after I unpress the 'play' button |
| 07:39:09 | wpyh | it's iPod Nano |
| 07:39:18 | Llorean | "Right"? |
| 07:39:23 | wpyh | yep |
| 07:39:26 | Llorean | I've never had any strangeness with it. |
| 07:39:30 | wpyh | right away, after I lifted my finger |
| 07:39:59 | Llorean | Are you sure your player's in good condition, and are you sure you're not wiggling your finger any? You should just hold play, and it'll eventually shut down |
| 07:40:12 | wpyh | I'm pretty sure |
| 07:40:16 | wpyh | and it's random |
| 07:40:55 | wpyh | hey, I think I can *quite* reliably reproduce the third behaviour |
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| 07:41:27 | wpyh | here's how: turn your finger around the scrollwheel a few rounds (5-10) then stop at the play button and immediately press it |
| 07:41:56 | wpyh | it won't shut down, just stays there. you can keep your finger for as long as you want (I tried 30 secs) and when you finally lift your finger, it shuts down |
| 07:42:00 | Llorean | So you aren't releasing the scrollwheel? |
| 07:42:10 | wpyh | yes, I'm not releasing the scrollwheel |
| 07:42:19 | wpyh | and by the way that method works about 50% of the time |
| 07:42:25 | Nathan_Greene | With rock box is there away I can eject my ipod and charge without the damn usb mode still on? |
| 07:42:39 | Nathan_Greene | excuse my language |
| 07:42:47 | Shaid | Hold down menu when you plug in the usb cable. |
| 07:42:55 | Shaid | it's all in the manual |
| 07:43:28 | Nathan_Greene | ah ok thanks |
| 07:44:28 | Nathan_Greene | ha ha ha windows wants in "install" the rock box media player...... |
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| 07:46:23 | wpyh | Now I think I really wiggled my finger a bit |
| 07:46:30 | wpyh | Llorean, were you able to reproduce it? |
| 07:46:48 | wpyh | Here's a simpler version: press down the 'play' button, wiggle your finger a bit, wait |
| 07:47:02 | wpyh | after you've waited enough, release the button. then it will shut down |
| 07:47:11 | Llorean | wpyh: I'm not trying to reproduce it. My nano isn't handy. |
| 07:47:19 | wpyh | oh, ok |
| 07:47:19 | Llorean | But this is more or less known, you're basically triggering two buttons at once. |
| 07:47:32 | wpyh | which two buttons? |
| 07:47:37 | Llorean | "scroll" and "play" |
| 07:47:41 | wpyh | @_@ |
| 07:47:45 | Llorean | What? |
| 07:47:49 | wpyh | but my finger's still mostly there |
| 07:47:55 | Llorean | As I said in the very beginning, "are you sure you're not wiggling your finger" |
| 07:47:58 | Nathan_Greene | one thin I ran into is using paint and having my nano shutdown |
| 07:48:01 | wpyh | oh, that's a confused face |
| 07:48:13 | Llorean | Once you start scrolling, it doesn't really "stop" until you remove your finger from the wheel. |
| 07:48:19 | Shaid | This is a logged channel. Please use normal english, as it is difficult for blind people and their screen readers otherwise. |
| 07:48:33 | wpyh | Llorean: yeah, sorry. I *was* sure I wasn't wiggling my finger |
| 07:48:36 | wpyh | Shaid: ok |
| 07:48:47 | Llorean | wpyh: Except your instructions for reproducing it specifically require wiggling/moving the finger... |
| 07:48:57 | wpyh | Llorean, so there are two events? |
| 07:49:23 | wpyh | I didn't realize my (first) instruction has anything to do with the finger wiggling |
| 07:49:43 | Llorean | "moving your finger around the wheel, triggering scrolls" is the same as "moving your finger a small distance, triggering scrolls" |
| 07:49:53 | wpyh | Oh, OK |
| 07:50:13 | wpyh | How about we change the event detection algorithm? |
| 07:50:49 | wpyh | If the play button is pressed and the scroll wheel is touched, then if the finger position is near the 'play' button, just ignore it |
| 07:51:01 | wpyh | I realize it's more complex, but it's more humane |
| 07:51:17 | Llorean | I'm not even sure it's not just a hardware problem. |
| 07:51:17 | wpyh | It's very natural for us to wiggle our finger a bit (we aren't robots) |
| 07:51:34 | Llorean | Feel free to investigate and post a patch though. |
| 07:51:39 | Llorean | I personally never have had any problem with it. |
| 07:52:02 | wpyh | Well, OK |
| 07:52:09 | wpyh | another item in my TODO list :) |
| 07:52:45 | wpyh | By the way, same goes to the FF and FR buttons |
| 07:54:13 | wpyh | And I've just tried it with the OF |
| 07:54:31 | wpyh | the OF detects the key press correctly (and ignores the scroll wheel) |
| 07:54:47 | wpyh | Llorean: do we need a key combo for "press and scroll" anyway? |
| 07:55:13 | Llorean | I have no idea what you mean by "press and scroll" |
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| 07:55:39 | wpyh | well, I mean pressing a key (such as the play key) and scrolling the wheel |
| 07:55:53 | wpyh | it's more like "scroll while pressed) |
| 07:56:00 | Llorean | There's not a key combo, they just interfere with each other. |
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| 07:56:44 | wpyh | Could you elaborate on the "interfere" part? |
| 07:57:24 | wpyh | What I understand is when I press the 'play' key, there's a 'keydown' event for that, then when I scroll there's another scroll event |
| 07:57:32 | Llorean | As I already said, I don't know why the behaviour happens specifically... |
| 07:57:39 | wpyh | oh.. |
| 07:57:46 | wpyh | guess I have to look closer on the code then |
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| 07:58:22 | LinusN | wpyh: so your suggestion is to ignore the scroll wheel until the button is released? |
| 07:58:29 | LinusN | sounds fair to me |
| 07:58:41 | wpyh | Yes |
| 07:59:07 | Llorean | As long as it's just the four directional buttons on the wheel, it makes sense. |
| 07:59:08 | wpyh | It's because, if we press a key, we don't usually (99% of the time) want to scroll |
| 07:59:12 | wpyh | yes |
| 07:59:21 | wpyh | We might want a combo for the center key and a scroll |
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| 08:08:51 | Buschel | moin moin |
| 08:09:07 | Buschel | (as we northern german say) |
| 08:09:13 | amiconn | mo0ning |
| 08:09:41 | Buschel | wpyh: you there? |
| 08:09:47 | wpyh | Buschel: yes |
| 08:09:50 | wpyh | I'm here |
| 08:10:14 | Buschel | wpyh: from the logs i get the impression you can build rockbox? |
| 08:10:46 | wpyh | Uh, yes... but not manually |
| 08:10:54 | wpyh | I just ran rockboxdev.sh to get the tools |
| 08:10:56 | wpyh | then configure |
| 08:10:57 | wpyh | then make |
| 08:11:05 | wpyh | It's all automated :) |
| 08:11:34 | wpyh | Buschel: why did you ask? |
| 08:11:38 | Buschel | but you can apply tiny changes to the source, recompile and use in on your nano? |
| 08:11:58 | wpyh | yes, but right now I don't have any changes to apply :p |
| 08:12:12 | wpyh | I'm still learning the code, so I haven't made any changes yet |
| 08:12:58 | Buschel | wpyh: could you change firmware/drivers/pcf50605.c in the following way -> comment the whole #else-path in pcf50605_init() |
| 08:13:34 | Buschel | then check the values in the "View PCF registers" within the debug menu? |
| 08:13:46 | wpyh | is it the one marked "keep initialization from svn for other iPods"? |
| 08:13:59 | Buschel | (it's just two lines to comment) |
| 08:14:04 | wpyh | oh, ok |
| 08:14:11 | Buschel | yes, that's the correct section |
| 08:15:21 | wpyh | OK. I'm quite new to this so... should I update the bootloader build or only the normal build? |
| 08:16:52 | Buschel | normal build |
| 08:16:57 | wpyh | ok |
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| 08:24:25 | Buschel | wpyh: another question -> could you add your battery_bench.txt to the ipodruntime wiki? |
| 08:25:00 | wpyh | OK, so now D1REGC is EF and D3REGC is F5 |
| 08:25:26 | wpyh | I didn't do the benchmark using the battery bench... |
| 08:25:27 | Buschel | and the other regs? |
| 08:25:39 | wpyh | well, wait a minute |
| 08:25:51 | Buschel | wpyh: regarding the bench it's a pitty :/ |
| 08:26:05 | wpyh | well, I can always redo the benchmark :) |
| 08:27:07 | PaulJam | Hi, i have a question about the wake-up alarm feature: i read in the ipod video manual that the sleep timer gets disabled and the device shuts down when the alarm is set (i assume this behaviour is the same on all targets with wake-up alarm). Is this really neccessary? |
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| 08:28:09 | wpyh | ok, it's here: http://pastebin.ca/1037568 |
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| 08:30:30 | amiconn | PaulJam: This is to avoid that the alarm fires while the unit is still powered on (which may lead to a lockup depending on the target) |
| 08:30:41 | Buschel | thanks, will check the results later. maybe i'll ask you for other short tests in a few hours (gotta go to work now) |
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| 08:31:20 | LinusN | amiconn: as far as i know, that is only a problem on the archos |
| 08:31:38 | wpyh | Buschel: OK |
| 08:32:07 | LinusN | amiconn: and only a real problem on the modded v1:s iirc |
| 08:33:05 | amiconn | Well, possibly. I never used alarm wakeup, and I don't have an archos capable of alarm wakeup |
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| 08:33:43 | LinusN | on the modern players, we should be able to keep the player running |
| 08:34:11 | amiconn | In fact I think this should be possible on archos as well |
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| 08:34:49 | amiconn | Iirc the problem is that the rtc shorts the power switch when the alarm fires, but nothing prevents us from explicitly disabling the alarm when this happens |
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| 08:36:21 | amiconn | (asuming there is a status bit) |
| 08:37:07 | LinusN | i *think* the modded v1:s also have a problem because the rtc alarm is wired to the ON button |
| 08:37:16 | amiconn | On shutdown (1) check whether the alarm bit is active. If so, disable alarm. (2) Check whether the alarm wil go off in less than a minute |
| 08:37:24 | amiconn | If so, disable as well |
| 08:37:57 | LinusN | wouldn't it be better to handle the alarm when it triggers instead |
| 08:37:58 | LinusN | ? |
| 08:38:21 | amiconn | Do we get an interrupt in this case? |
| 08:38:24 | amiconn | I guess not |
| 08:38:32 | LinusN | no, but we could poll the rtc |
| 08:38:40 | LinusN | we do that anyway |
| 08:38:56 | amiconn | Hmm, and the rtc "pressing" ON during normal operation can lead to confusion... |
| 08:39:06 | LinusN | that is the real problem |
| 08:39:17 | LinusN | and the only one imho |
| 08:39:37 | LinusN | still, that is a hw modification |
| 08:40:28 | amiconn | How does the alarm wakeup work on the fm/v2? |
| 08:40:44 | LinusN | almost the same thing |
| 08:42:07 | amiconn | Define 'almost' |
| 08:42:25 | LinusN | i think they have handled the fake ON press issue, but i don't remember |
| 08:42:39 | amiconn | hmm :/ |
| 08:42:58 | amiconn | The button driver could query the rtc driver whether the ON press might be a fake one |
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| 08:43:26 | LinusN | perhaps |
| 08:43:33 | amiconn | Of course without reading the rtc everytime |
| 08:43:47 | wpyh | um |
| 08:43:52 | amiconn | The rtc driver should know the set alarm time as well as the current time |
| 08:44:09 | LinusN | yes |
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| 08:44:42 | amiconn | So it's a simple comparison |
| 08:45:43 | wpyh | If I turn on my Nano, then go to System -> Debug Mode -> View PCF Registers (or other debug "View" screens), then connect USB while still at the screen, the device won't go indo UMS mode |
| 08:46:04 | amiconn | That's expected |
| 08:46:10 | wpyh | And in the dmesg I get this: "Direct-Access Rockbox Internal Storage" |
| 08:46:15 | Llorean | wpyh: The Debug screen isn't expected to behave consistently with the rest of the access. |
| 08:46:17 | amiconn | Most debug items don't use the default handler |
| 08:46:18 | Llorean | rest of rockbox, rather |
| 08:46:24 | wpyh | Oh |
| 08:46:25 | amiconn | They're debug stuff after all |
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| 08:47:13 | wpyh | But the weird thing is, if I now disconnect the USB cable, then go out to the Main Menu, then reconnect the USB cable, it still doesn't go into UMS mode |
| 08:47:24 | wpyh | And my dmesg still shows the same "Direct-Access Rockbox Internal Storage" |
| 08:47:39 | amiconn | LinusN: In fact it would probably be better to do it the other way 'round: The rtc driver would inhibit ON status read in the button driver when the alarm time approaches. This way no spurious ON evens should happen, neither press nor release |
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| 08:48:06 | LinusN | amiconn: but that could be over a minute |
| 08:48:13 | amiconn | All that happens is a slight delay in registering/deregistering ON, in case the user presses it in exactly the same moment |
| 08:48:22 | amiconn | No, a fraction of a second at most |
| 08:48:33 | JdGordon | midgey: are you doing a single .lang for all plugins? or is it one for each? |
| 08:48:34 | LinusN | do we poll the rtc that often? |
| 08:48:39 | amiconn | Nah, everything nonsense - it's way easier |
| 08:49:00 | amiconn | Nobody says we need to set the alarm immediately from the alarm screen, right? |
| 08:49:15 | LinusN | eh, no |
| 08:49:26 | amiconn | So just store the fact that alarm wakeup is wanted, and actually set it on shutdown |
| 08:49:29 | LinusN | we could set it only when shutting off |
| 08:49:35 | midgey | JdGordon: i'm starting with a single lang for now. Bagder suggested I move onto using the user keyword to determine which strings will be loaded |
| 08:49:42 | amiconn | So alarm would be always disabled while running |
| 08:50:19 | LinusN | amiconn: the only quirk would be that we have to handle the (rare) case when the user sets the time when an alarm is active |
| 08:50:33 | amiconn | hmm? |
| 08:50:48 | LinusN | ah wait |
| 08:51:07 | amiconn | The alarm would be always disabled on boot (after checking whether we're woken from alarm of course) |
| 08:51:35 | LinusN | i imagined a tick counting approach, but we could just as well compare the hour/minutr registers with the alarm time, silly me |
| 08:52:56 | amiconn | And time triggered events while running can be done without the rtc at all. This would even be possible on non-rtc targets |
| 08:52:57 | LinusN | i like that approach, it's simple and robust |
| 08:53:26 | LinusN | non-rtc alarms would of course only be relative |
| 08:53:42 | amiconn | Yes, e.g. "start recording in 2 hours". Unlike rtc targets, this will of course require disabling idle poweroff |
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| 08:54:41 | LinusN | btw, idle poweroff should probably check the alarm time, and not power off if an alarm is due within 2 minutes or so |
| 08:55:07 | LinusN | just to make sure it won't miss a recording because of the boot timt |
| 08:55:09 | LinusN | time |
| 08:55:19 | amiconn | Yes, and not set the alarm registers either, in order to avoid the alarm firing during shutdown |
| 08:55:26 | LinusN | true |
| 08:55:54 | amiconn | It could even splash and ask "Alarm due in 2 minutes. Shutdown and disable?" |
| 08:56:37 | LinusN | sounds like overkill |
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| 09:02:31 | PaulJam | amiconn,LinusN: thanks for all that information. So for H300 would it be safe to disable that safety feature in my build until a better solution is in SVN? And if yes, where in the code should i look. (I'm still in the process of deciding wether to risk installing an inofficial bootloader to get wake-up alarm) |
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| 09:04:44 | LinusN | PaulJam: i don't think rockbox is able to detect the rtc alarm while running |
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| 09:07:41 | PaulJam | LinusN: i was planning to use the wake up in combination with the sleep timer, so the device would be off when the wake up alarm is activated. |
| 09:08:07 | LinusN | sure, then go ahead |
| 09:08:32 | LinusN | the only risk you take is that the alarm triggers when the device is on, and you miss it |
| 09:08:56 | LinusN | (apart from the obvious risk of running a svn bootloader of course) |
| 09:09:17 | GodEater | does anyone know if jhMikeS has managed to get charging into the Gigabeast builds yet ? |
| 09:09:27 | LinusN | i have no idea |
| 09:09:36 | PaulJam | LinusN: can you give me a hint where in the code i should look to disable it? |
| 09:09:44 | * | GodEater will plough through the commit messages |
| 09:18:48 | jhMikeS | GodEater: I've been a bit busy but it is being implemented. |
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| 09:23:04 | LinusN | hmmm, it looks like the alarm handling code is half-done already |
| 09:27:39 | LinusN | it doesn't seem to shut down at all |
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| 09:32:46 | JdGordon | PaulJam: back onto the lcd margins patch... the falshing thing is barely noticable on my e200... is it really a problem on the h300? |
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| 09:35:41 | PaulJam | JdGordon: not a problem for me. I'm not using the statusbar in the WPS. but it is defineately noticeable. |
| 09:37:31 | PaulJam | LinusN: so the manual is wrong? well, i guess it would be best if i install that bootloader and familiarise myself with that feature before bothering you. thanks again for the help. |
| 09:38:05 | LinusN | don't worry |
| 09:38:39 | JdGordon | PaulJam: AH! I tihnk I've found the problem |
| 09:40:17 | JdGordon | PaulJam: got a min to try a quick fix? |
| 09:40:23 | PaulJam | sure |
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| 09:48:51 | PaulJam | JdGordon: yes, that semms to fix it. |
| 09:49:00 | JdGordon | :) |
| 09:49:32 | JdGordon | thats another bit of the wps refresh code which wasnt completly converted for viewports |
| 09:49:47 | * | JdGordon moves on the rest of the patched screens |
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| 09:54:26 | pixelma | was that also the reason for the delayed status bar area refresh when leaving the wps? |
| 09:55:24 | JdGordon | ? |
| 09:55:28 | JdGordon | with the patch or svn? |
| 09:55:39 | pixelma | in svn |
| 09:56:07 | JdGordon | could be.. I havnt noticed that though |
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| 09:59:13 | pixelma | it looks like the status bar is redrawn a little later than the rest of the screen when leaving the wps so you can see that part of your wps a little longer. Noticable on all my targets (probably in the sim too) |
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| 10:00:13 | JdGordon | hmm.. no, probably unrelated, itll be in menu.c... should be an easy fix.. |
| 10:00:22 | JdGordon | the rec screen always shows the statusbar yeah? |
| 10:01:11 | pixelma | I think so, it's even a special rec screen status bar |
| 10:06:06 | * | JdGordon despises the rec screen drawing code! |
| 10:06:24 | pixelma | Bagder: wanted to ask - is the problem you explained in the ml already solved? |
| 10:06:51 | B4gder | uhm, what problem do you refer to? |
| 10:07:14 | pixelma | the hostel one |
| 10:07:15 | petur | JdGordon: that status bar is special because of the specific data shown in there |
| 10:07:28 | B4gder | pixelma: ah yes, amiconn helped me out with that |
| 10:07:40 | pixelma | ok, nice :) |
| 10:08:18 | JdGordon | petur: yeah, thats not the part im complaiing about.. all the rest is driving me mad :p |
| 10:08:34 | petur | JdGordon: that I understand ;) |
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| 10:16:31 | * | JdGordon is hoping he can get away with a easy fix untill the rec screen is finally redone |
| 10:19:34 | JdGordon | OH this is horrible! |
| 10:19:53 | petur | ...more golden quotes... |
| 10:19:56 | JdGordon | no offense to anyone.. :p |
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| 10:28:27 | JdGordon | weeee :D I tihnk its done... just need testers to make sure I havnt broken the rec screen... volanteers? |
| 10:29:18 | B4gder | violanteers? |
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| 10:30:43 | JdGordon | yes, I still can't spell :p |
| 10:31:06 | B4gder | I'm thinking perhaps it's a particularly brutal kind of volunteers |
| 10:31:38 | petur | just don't commit before fully tested |
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| 10:31:52 | * | petur has 0 time :( |
| 10:32:23 | * | JdGordon wonders where B4gder got the extra i from |
| 10:32:33 | * | B4gder had a spare one to offer |
| 10:32:47 | B4gder | always happy to help! |
| 10:32:50 | JdGordon | :) |
| 10:37:11 | JdGordon | pixelma: hows the conditional viewport fiddling going? |
| 10:39:51 | pixelma | prepared screenshots and got the "empty" viewports version ready which I wanted to post as .wps. But wanted to also post a simplified version of the latter because I think it's easier for investigating, going to prepare this and then post a comment |
| 10:40:14 | JdGordon | great |
| 10:40:54 | JdGordon | the remove lcd margins patch is hopefully now finished, so its waiting on the cond vp and pb patches to be complete |
| 10:40:57 | pixelma | the wps file is already a bit commented, I'm not sure how far I should go with this |
| 10:41:33 | JdGordon | arg, just remembered I havtn fixed the plain %pb handling.. ill do that now |
| 10:43:25 | pixelma | removing the left margin will make that wps even more complicated and I would either need a set of even more viewports (which wouldn't be possible atm) or more graphics but then it isn't as flexible anymore :\ But I know it should go... |
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| 10:44:55 | JdGordon | ? why the need for extra viewports? |
| 10:45:19 | JdGordon | dont you just setup one viewport with everything if AA is there, another with everything is AA isnt there and just display one or the other? |
| 10:45:28 | JdGordon | or is everything moving around? |
| 10:47:20 | pixelma | it's not moving around but I used viewports with (and for) different background and foreground colours to e.g. show volume level differently when it's above 0dB etc. |
| 10:48:01 | pixelma | with a different foreground colour so you notice more easily |
| 10:50:02 | pixelma | maybe it's a bit too much currently :P |
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| 11:07:57 | pixelma | if a viewport could change its colours conditionally though, I wouldn't have to set them up as different viewports... ui... |
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| 11:13:57 | leftright | preglow: ping |
| 11:15:59 | PaulJam | JdGordon: a tiny issue with the recording screen and the latest remove margins patch: the selectable items (volume,gain,...) now have an offset from the left side of the screen, but the item which is currently selected doesn't have this offset. this happens when using one of the bar-style selectortypes. when using the pointer, then the offset stays the same for the selected item. |
| 11:22:21 | JdGordon | nuts.. OK.. I added those offsets for the cursor and didnt realise thatw as the same code as the selector drawing :( |
| 11:22:23 | JdGordon | thanks |
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| 11:25:13 | krz | hi! does rockbox run on sansa e280 FM? |
| 11:27:20 | JdGordon | as long as its v1 |
| 11:27:47 | krz | and v2 are not supported? |
| 11:28:01 | Llorean | v2 do not work at all |
| 11:29:24 | krz | so, can you advice what player to buy that supports roclbox? may be new ports? |
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| 11:30:14 | * | JdGordon has old style %pb working again |
| 11:30:26 | JdGordon | so now %pb or %pb|filename|x|y|width|height| works |
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| 11:43:38 | JdGordon | pixelma: if a y position isnt specified for the %pb, should it use the viewport y value, or should it be polaced at the current line? |
| 11:44:08 | JdGordon | by current line, I mean if its the 3rd line in the viewport text in the .wps, it will be shown on the 3rd line of the viewport |
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| 11:46:41 | * | JdGordon thinks the lines y position, not the viewports makes more sense |
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| 11:47:37 | PaulJam | JdGordon: i would say the progressbar should be at the current line in the viewport/WPS. this way it is still possible to make text-only WPS that are independent of font size. |
| 11:47:45 | Llorean | JdGordon: If it's the third line after the viewport declaration in the file, it should be on the third line of the viewport, I think |
| 11:47:54 | Llorean | Basically, have it work the same way as text, if no Y is set |
| 11:48:00 | JdGordon | yep |
| 11:49:34 | pixelma | this is also like it works now |
| 11:49:57 | JdGordon | ok, fixed the patch so it does that |
| 11:51:08 | * | JdGordon flips back to the margins patch to fix its issue |
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| 11:57:23 | JdGordon | PaulJam: that selection problem is now fixed |
| 11:57:50 | PaulJam | JdGordon: ok, thanks |
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| 12:20:43 | markun | preglow: some comparisons between the speex resampler and an FFT based one, could be useful for someone wanting to implement a better resampler for rockbox: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/speex-dev/2008-May/006759.html |
| 12:23:33 | wpyh | Does anyone have the iPod Video 5.5g here? |
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| 12:30:46 | preglow | markun: i can pretty much guarantee you the rockbox resampler won't be a block based one |
| 12:31:06 | preglow | leftright: pong... |
| 12:35:24 | JdGordon | what does everyone think of 9053? mouting cards as <volume name> instead of <microSD1> and includes database integration :) |
| 12:35:59 | Llorean | Does the database integration work if you have two cards with the same volume name? |
| 12:36:20 | JdGordon | probably not... |
| 12:36:33 | markun | preglow: bad for performance? |
| 12:37:10 | preglow | markun: well, the opposite, actually, if you use filters that are long enough |
| 12:37:23 | preglow | but i don't think we can afford that quality level if we're going to make a resampler for all our targets |
| 12:37:57 | Llorean | JdGordon: Way I see it, the database for the card should be stored in a .rockbox folder on the card, rather than trying to be clever and identify cards by volume name or keep them in the local database. |
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| 12:38:19 | preglow | JdGordon: i'd love "volume name" if it works as well as the current solution |
| 12:38:32 | Llorean | Just "volume name" though, I'm happy with the idea of. |
| 12:38:39 | markun | preglow: we could introduce a USE_HQ_RESAMPLER define |
| 12:38:51 | preglow | markun: sure, but someone would need to code it first too :) |
| 12:39:10 | preglow | markun: i'd rather just make it a setting anyway, i think, for targets with the power to pull it off |
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| 12:39:21 | JdGordon | Llorean: well, keeping them in the local databse file is easier, but yeah, it should probably go by the cards serial number instead of the vol name |
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| 12:40:12 | Llorean | JdGordon: How do you know when to remove them from the local database? |
| 12:40:26 | JdGordon | you dont.... |
| 12:40:36 | JdGordon | they arnt shown unless the car is there though |
| 12:40:56 | Llorean | Yeah, but if you've got several cards, you'll have a database many times the size it needs to be. |
| 12:41:07 | Llorean | Pretty painful with "Load to Ram" |
| 12:41:17 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 12:42:51 | Llorean | Personally speaking, if it's going to be kept locally, I'd rather it discard every time a new card is inserted, then scan the new card. So you only waste space on the last inserted card. |
| 12:43:41 | Llorean | For people with a single card, there's no real downside to that. For people with multiple, there's some delay before the content's available, but not ballooning database file. |
| 12:44:19 | JdGordon | worst case is we can add an option to remove certain cards from the db |
| 12:46:21 | preglow | why isn't the db for each card stored on the card? |
| 12:49:46 | * | wpyh thinks preglow has a point |
| 12:50:09 | preglow | oh, i'm quite sure people have a reason for it, i just want to know what that is :> |
| 12:50:44 | JdGordon | hard to do maybe? |
| 12:51:38 | preglow | well, i can see a problem in memory allocation |
| 12:51:47 | preglow | but that's that |
| 12:52:57 | preglow | we should implement a way for rockbox to dynamically realloc its memalloc() sections |
| 12:53:02 | preglow | it would really come in handy for things like this |
| 12:53:12 | preglow | and zillions of other things |
| 12:53:44 | preglow | would require playback to be stopped, of course, but i think that's ok for events as uncommon as inserting a new card |
| 12:54:22 | JdGordon | it can be done... |
| 12:54:27 | JdGordon | but its malloc!! |
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| 12:55:12 | Llorean | Doesn't database already have a means for adding new information via auto-update? |
| 12:55:16 | preglow | malloc wouldn't require you to stop playback :> |
| 12:55:26 | Llorean | Like, preserving some space already? |
| 12:55:44 | preglow | Llorean: yeah, but think how much space you'd need to reserve for a 16 gig card |
| 12:55:52 | preglow | Llorean: it would be wasteful for people who have no sd cards |
| 12:56:59 | Llorean | Well, and it's only really a problem if "Load to Ram" is set, right? |
| 12:57:29 | Llorean | And, on all MicroSD targets (so far) buffer is less meaningful due to flash memory being the order of the dya. |
| 12:59:07 | preglow | myeah |
| 12:59:18 | Llorean | It seems though, to me at least, on targets where we can't reserve a bunch of RAM, it's not too bad to say "Too many songs on card, reboot to complete database update" or some such. |
| 12:59:28 | Llorean | Basically, on future hypothetical targets. |
| 12:59:32 | preglow | proper solution would be better :> |
| 12:59:36 | preglow | but yeah, it would work |
| 12:59:47 | Llorean | A working solution, though, would be kinda nice until someone has such a clever idea. :) |
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| 13:00:00 | pixelma | last I tried a manual "update now" without the card didn't even work right when the database was initialised with card (MMC in my case, hence database not loaded to RAM). The "database progress" in the debug menu stayed at "-1%" |
| 13:00:03 | preglow | but storing the database on the card really makes sense, if you ask me |
| 13:00:10 | Llorean | Since, while it's kinda non-ideal, it's non-ideal in a way that doesn't hurt current targets. |
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| 13:00:17 | Llorean | And I agree, the database should be on the card. |
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| 13:05:11 | amiconn | JdGordon: Volume name as card name was discussed in the past already |
| 13:05:40 | amiconn | It has two problems: (1) (V)FAT doesn't require a volume name, so what to do if there is no name? |
| 13:05:56 | amiconn | (2) What to do if 2 volumes have the same name? |
| 13:06:28 | amiconn | Regarding multivolume database support - that's something I wanted for a long time already |
| 13:07:07 | pixelma | seems to have worked now while trying on the c200, still without the database loaded to RAM. But the "progress" in the database info debug screen didn't tell me anything useful |
| 13:07:14 | amiconn | It shouldn't use the volume name though. It could either use the volume serial number, or some unique id written to a tiny file on the card |
| 13:07:36 | preglow | serial number would be good, no? |
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| 13:08:37 | preglow | all internal iding should be done using the serial number or some such equivalent, so 1) isn't much of a point, if you ask me. we'll just say "new volume" if there's no volume name. it's no worse than the current "MicroSD" |
| 13:09:17 | preglow | also, 2) isn't much of a point either. all current cards have the same name "MicroSD" (or mmc or whatever) |
| 13:09:52 | pixelma | that's not the volume name IIUC |
| 13:09:54 | Llorean | Isn't it MicroSD1? |
| 13:10:12 | preglow | well, something along that, i've never tried a (functioning) target with memory card support |
| 13:11:35 | pixelma | e.g. I have two MMCs which I gave a different volume name on the computer and there I can see them differently, on the Ondio both are MMC1 |
| 13:11:51 | preglow | why the "1", btw? |
| 13:12:04 | pixelma | MMC0 is the internal memory |
| 13:12:09 | preglow | roit |
| 13:12:16 | preglow | explains the sansa as well, then |
| 13:13:00 | JdGordon | yes, although its not really needed seen as the files arent named as <microSD0>/.rockbox/.... |
| 13:13:14 | preglow | deed |
| 13:13:39 | Llorean | How does the multivolume on Archos work? |
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| 13:13:46 | Llorean | Are partitions just enumerated, or named? |
| 13:13:48 | preglow | but still, if we use the serial number or a good substitute to _internally_ identify the card, i can see nothing but good reasons to switch to using the volume name for identification in userland |
| 13:14:08 | amiconn | Llorean: They are enumerated the same way as for the MMC and SD targets |
| 13:14:17 | Llorean | amiconn: Okay, thought that might be the case. |
| 13:14:24 | Llorean | preglow: Playlists would break if the volume name ever changes. |
| 13:14:32 | Llorean | Having a static folder name for the card prevents this. |
| 13:14:37 | amiconn | The '1' is just the internal volume id, the 'MMC' or 'microSD' is an arbitrary prefix |
| 13:15:05 | preglow | Llorean: we could have some magic string for memory card, i suppose, but i see your point |
| 13:15:09 | amiconn | And the < > were chosen because those characters are forbidden on FAT, so the name cannot clash with an existing directory |
| 13:15:13 | preglow | amiconn: do you know how large mmc cards you can get these days? |
| 13:15:14 | Llorean | preglow: You could always use an internal name for the folder "MicroSD " still perhaps to not break old playlists, but display it as the volume name. |
| 13:15:30 | amiconn | preglow: 4GB is still the max. unfortunately :( |
| 13:15:40 | amiconn | 8GB were announced almost 2 years ago... |
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| 13:15:58 | preglow | hmm, ok, so there is a good reason to support them for d2 |
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| 13:19:30 | amiconn | preglow: Btw, MMC requires a new protocol (MMC 4.2) for >4 GB |
| 13:19:47 | * | preglow wonders why they didn't solve it like sd did |
| 13:19:48 | amiconn | I guess the difference is similar to SD vs. SDHC |
| 13:19:51 | preglow | ahh |
| 13:20:19 | amiconn | The MMC 4.2 addressing uses blocks instead of bytes |
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| 14:01:32 | leftright | preglow: I have a url to the album with bumpy track transitions http://drop.io/Album_with_bumpy_track_transition |
| 14:02:46 | leftright | I haven't used this online storer before, let me know if you have problems |
| 14:05:31 | leftright | the album has tracks encoded by me with LAME v3.90.3 −−aps, and mp3@320 which I "found" on the web |
| 14:07:49 | pixelma | how do you know those were encoded correctly then? |
| 14:07:50 | * | petur thinks a logged channel isn't the best place to write all this |
| 14:09:30 | leftright | the 320 tracks I'm uncertain as to ripping and encoding method |
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| 14:15:25 | markun | leftright: do the albums play back fine in other players like foobar2000? |
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| 14:16:39 | leftright | dont know as I dont use any other player, its no big deal just thought you might be innterested in tracks that go bump. |
| 14:17:15 | Nathan_Greene | Prefetch abort at FFFFFFFE |
| 14:17:32 | B4gder | cool address :-O |
| 14:17:46 | Nathan_Greene | That's the error on my rockboxed ipod |
| 14:17:56 | Nathan_Greene | I can't turn it off |
| 14:18:17 | Llorean | Nathan_Greene: Hold Menu+Select will still work after a prefetch abort. |
| 14:18:32 | Nathan_Greene | Ah ok I did not think about that |
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| 14:18:53 | Nathan_Greene | What would have caused this error if any of the devs don't mind me asking? |
| 14:19:49 | Llorean | I think we're the ones who should be asking things like "What were you doing when it happened" to help figure that out. ;) |
| 14:20:16 | Nathan_Greene | I added a new theme I am working on to my ipod |
| 14:20:30 | Nathan_Greene | ejected it then then took out my cable |
| 14:20:50 | Nathan_Greene | rockbox rebooted and bam error |
| 14:21:59 | Llorean | You didn't do anything on reboot? No resume on startup, or anything? |
| 14:22:26 | Nathan_Greene | No |
| 14:22:32 | Nathan_Greene | Just a normal reboot |
| 14:23:09 | Llorean | There's more or less a complete lack of clues then. |
| 14:23:41 | Nathan_Greene | Does rockbox do an error dump? |
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| 14:25:34 | Nathan_Greene | I guess that's a no? |
| 14:26:04 | petur | indeed |
| 14:26:56 | wpyh | Nathan_Greene: you can try running scandisk on the iPod |
| 14:27:20 | Llorean | Sorry, doing too many things at once. |
| 14:27:45 | Llorean | There's really not much in the way of logging unless you make a debug build, and that requires explicit logging anyway. |
| 14:29:20 | Nathan_Greene | ah ok |
| 14:29:54 | Nathan_Greene | Thanks for the help otherwise |
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| 14:54:55 | JdGordon | LinusN: any idea if 6112 is fixed, or should be closed as unfixable? |
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| 15:02:52 | LinusN | i think we can close it, since there isn't much we can do about it |
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| 15:04:47 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 15:09:20 | tda | Hello |
| 15:09:34 | tda | I have a Gigabeat f20 |
| 15:09:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nice choice. :) |
| 15:09:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | Need some help? |
| 15:09:53 | tda | yup |
| 15:09:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Shoot. |
| 15:10:19 | tda | I update rockbox very frequently, like at least once a week. I updated it again today. |
| 15:10:33 | tda | Anyway, the last few days, I've been having a problem in the now playing view |
| 15:10:48 | tda | I can't switch songs by pressing left or right on the +-shaped buttons |
| 15:10:59 | tda | I can fast-forward and rewind, but not switch song |
| 15:11:23 | Llorean | Have you tried simply resetting your settings? |
| 15:11:30 | tda | Um... no.. |
| 15:11:44 | tda | I've got so many custom settings I don't wanna lose. :P |
| 15:11:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | So make a backup of your settings. |
| 15:12:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then reset, and see if it works again. |
| 15:12:20 | tda | Hmm... |
| 15:12:27 | tda | K, I'll give it a try when I get home |
| 15:12:30 | tda | I'm at work now, so... |
| 15:12:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | You can do that all without even hooking up to a computer. |
| 15:12:59 | pixelma | maybe "study mode" got enabled by accident? |
| 15:13:05 | tda | Yeah, but it's quicker with a computer. |
| 15:13:09 | tda | What's study mode? |
| 15:13:21 | pixelma | good question... |
| 15:13:23 | Llorean | pixelma: Certainly not quicker than waiting hours to get home. ;) |
| 15:13:28 | tda | and it's not enabled |
| 15:13:31 | tda | I just checked |
| 15:13:42 | tda | Llorean: I'll be home within an hour. :P |
| 15:13:55 | Llorean | tda: I can backup and clear settings in less than 15 seconds. :-P |
| 15:14:10 | pixelma | Llorean: why did you tell me? |
| 15:14:15 | tda | Then, tell me what to press, Llorean. :P |
| 15:14:35 | Llorean | pixelma: It's early, and I type poorly when my brain isn't yet functioning. |
| 15:14:46 | tda | Get some caffeine. :P |
| 15:14:52 | Llorean | tda: Just cut config.cfg from the context menu, paste it in the root, then shutdown, and boot holding down the button to reset settings. |
| 15:14:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | tda: Follow along, now. |
| 15:15:09 | Llorean | root can be anywhere of course, just the most obvious place for a quick backup I think |
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| 15:15:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: There's also an option to reset settings in the Settings menu. |
| 15:15:41 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: Yes, there is, but it takes longer than a reboot if you're not quick navigating. I went for "fastest method that doesn't depend on user skill" |
| 15:15:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: Ahh. |
| 15:17:08 | tda | Which button do I hold down? |
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| 15:17:42 | Llorean | The menu button I think. It's been a while. |
| 15:17:47 | tda | k |
| 15:17:50 | Llorean | Maybe "A" |
| 15:17:58 | tda | I'll try both |
| 15:19:43 | pixelma | "Note: You can also reset all settings to their default values by turning off the b player, turning it back on and pressing the A button immediately after the player |
| 15:19:43 | pixelma | turns on. |
| 15:19:52 | tda | done |
| 15:20:25 | tda | Works like a charm again :D |
| 15:20:43 | pixelma | typo in that cp'ed line of the manual... |
| 15:20:44 | tda | thanks, folks =) |
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| 15:21:42 | pixelma | ah no, seems to have to do with the copy-pasting |
| 15:22:55 | tda | Now that I'm here, does anyone have any tips on improving battery life? |
| 15:24:11 | Llorean | Is your player not lasting the day? |
| 15:27:21 | markun | tda: I've put a modified ipod 4g battery in my gigabeat |
| 15:28:39 | markun | just swapped the connectors |
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| 15:29:31 | tda | Llorean: More like 12-14 hours, and even less when using FLAC |
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| 15:49:20 | japc | hi, is there a way to put the player on standby instead of shuting it down? |
| 15:49:28 | japc | it's a iriver h140 |
| 15:50:23 | japc | i noticed that starting the player eats a lot of battery, returning from standby would be faster and less power hungry even taken into account the power used in standby |
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| 17:21:55 | eslu | Hello |
| 17:22:13 | eslu | i'm having a problem playing videos on my iPod Video 30gb with Rockbox firmware. |
| 17:22:24 | eslu | Doesn't Rockbox support videos? |
| 17:23:24 | scorche|sh | yes...please see the wiki page PluginMpegplayer |
| 17:24:14 | eslu | "MPEGplayer is included in the standard Rockbox installation and does not need to be downloaded separately." |
| 17:24:21 | eslu | Then i have it, but still i cant play videos,. |
| 17:24:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rockbox only plays MPEG1/2 videos. |
| 17:24:28 | scorche|sh | keep reading... |
| 17:24:39 | eslu | ive encoded it to MPEG videos also. |
| 17:24:43 | eslu | still doesnt work |
| 17:25:08 | scorche|sh | MPEG1 or MPEG2?...not MPEG4? |
| 17:25:35 | eslu | there the issue may be. |
| 17:25:51 | eslu | my file has a mp4 extention |
| 17:26:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then you need to read the page further. |
| 17:26:45 | eslu | i have a program to convert from before. |
| 17:26:50 | eslu | no need to read |
| 17:26:54 | eslu | the rest |
| 17:27:14 | scorche|sh | alright, but if it still doesnt work, then we get to tell you that you do again ;) |
| 17:31:29 | eslu | Cheer, works. |
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| 18:53:13 | PaulPosition | Could viewports overlap? (ie, to show extra info - pop-up style - when hold switch is on, now that there are conditional viewports)... |
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| 18:59:31 | PaulJam | PaulPosition: conditional Viewports aren't yet in SVN |
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| 19:01:35 | PaulPosition | Yeah, I know... Was asking if there's any chance it works before I go to the hassle of downloading the vmware image all over again (recently reinstalled my whole system..) :p |
| 19:02:07 | PaulPosition | But I guess I'm gonna start the transfer, see for myself, and be done with it ! |
| 19:02:27 | markun | I thought they were in svn already |
| 19:02:36 | PaulPosition | viewports are, not conditionals |
| 19:02:46 | markun | ah, yes |
| 19:04:30 | pixelma | conditionals too, but not conditional viewports ;) |
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| 19:05:15 | PaulPosition | Dang, I blame my lazyness... should have stated "viewport are, not conditional ones" :p |
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| 19:12:42 | * | Buschel thinks we should remove setting the pcf-values for non-Video-iPods |
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| 19:13:25 | Buschel | wpyh's measurements shows that default voltages of the pcf are lower in one example (D1REGC) |
| 19:14:01 | Buschel | it's no good idea to enlarge voltages where we do not know the purpose |
| 19:14:59 | PaulPosition | Andree - Are those recent tests and changes specific to iPods hardware or they're general PP stuff (any chance of things cascading into improvements to other targets) ? (just curious) |
| 19:15:11 | wpyh | Well, there's no publicly available datasheet for the PCF50605 either |
| 19:16:45 | Buschel | PaulPosition: some voltages are PP-specific (core voltage differs over different PP-revisions). but those are not set by the pcf-initialization-routine. the ones that are set are connected to codec and lcd (at least for the iPod Video −− for other targets it needs to be tested) |
| 19:17:14 | Buschel | wpyh: it's available under wiki -> datasheets |
| 19:19:07 | wpyh | Oh |
| 19:19:55 | Buschel | wpyh: do you have time for some testing? |
| 19:20:40 | wpyh | A little |
| 19:20:42 | wpyh | :) |
| 19:21:30 | wpyh | What do you want to test? |
| 19:22:01 | Buschel | adding/changing some code, rebuilding (only make, no make clean) and testing on your nano |
| 19:22:11 | Buschel | is this possible? |
| 19:22:26 | wpyh | Well, OK |
| 19:22:47 | Buschel | so, let's see what the voltages are used for in nano :o) |
| 19:23:35 | Buschel | all changes to be done in firmware/drivers/pcf50605.c in the "#else"-section you've changes yesterday |
| 19:24:09 | wpyh | ok |
| 19:24:20 | wpyh | so basically, comment the non-video part, right? |
| 19:24:59 | Buschel | 1. add "pcf50605_write(PCF5060X_LPREGC1, 0x1f) |
| 19:25:05 | Buschel | yes, the non-video part |
| 19:25:23 | Buschel | wpyh: oops, forgot the ;" |
| 19:25:39 | wpyh | is this dangerous? |
| 19:25:42 | wpyh | :p |
| 19:26:11 | Buschel | it switches off something... ;o) in the worst case you'll need to reset and go back to emergeny disk mode |
| 19:26:23 | wpyh | ok |
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| 19:27:23 | wpyh | then? |
| 19:27:42 | Buschel | wpyh: please always check a) does it start? b) does it play sound c) does display work? |
| 19:29:21 | wpyh | ok |
| 19:29:38 | wpyh | by the way, reading the datasheet I think 0x1f would be a reserved value :p |
| 19:30:15 | Buschel | and x16? :) |
| 19:30:26 | Buschel | my mistake... |
| 19:30:57 | wpyh | so, I should use 0x16 instead of 0x1f right? |
| 19:31:56 | Buschel | yes |
| 19:32:30 | wpyh | ok |
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| 19:33:18 | wpyh | Uh |
| 19:33:28 | wpyh | it starts bug got an error: ATA error: -11 |
| 19:33:33 | wpyh | *but* |
| 19:33:53 | Buschel | ok, ata-relevant. so undo this change :-) |
| 19:33:56 | wpyh | ok |
| 19:34:45 | wpyh | next? |
| 19:36:30 | Buschel | then change "pcf50605_write(PCF5060X_D1REGC1, 0xf5);" to "pcf50605_write(PCF5060X_D1REGC1, 0x15);" |
| 19:36:56 | Buschel | maybe this one disables the codec |
| 19:37:21 | wpyh | ok, let's try it |
| 19:38:12 | wpyh | while we'er waiting for the compile to finish, do you know what the ECO power mode does? |
| 19:38:21 | wpyh | the datasheet says it's a low power mode |
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| 19:40:31 | Buschel | lol, my baby removedcmy usb wlan-adapter :-) |
| 19:40:46 | wpyh | Buschel: now it loads but doesn't play music |
| 19:41:14 | wpyh | the timer just stops at 00:00 |
| 19:41:20 | Buschel | wpyh: perfect. it's the codec. |
| 19:41:44 | wpyh | great. now we know one more thing about the hardware |
| 19:42:13 | Buschel | wpyh: change it to 0xeb (=2.0V, ECO) |
| 19:43:28 | Buschel | wpyh: does it distort when playing at high volume? |
| 19:43:42 | wpyh | please wait |
| 19:45:50 | Buschel | svn drives the codec 3.0V on nano, whereas the pcf-default uses 2.4V... |
| 19:45:57 | wpyh | it plays music! |
| 19:46:17 | Buschel | does it distort? |
| 19:46:22 | wpyh | but I don't know how to test whether it distorts when playing at high volume |
| 19:46:25 | wpyh | how do I test? |
| 19:46:32 | wpyh | I mean, I can play high volumes |
| 19:46:34 | Buschel | wpyh: btw, ECo mode limits the current |
| 19:46:44 | wpyh | but how do I know whether it is distorted? :-\ |
| 19:46:45 | amiconn | I guess ECO mode is no good for the codec |
| 19:46:56 | Buschel | amiconn: i think about the same |
| 19:47:06 | amiconn | Iirc it's limited to 5mA, and the codec surely needs more when driving low impedance phones |
| 19:47:22 | Buschel | wpyh: use 0xfb (2.0V, non-ECO) |
| 19:47:39 | wpyh | Uh |
| 19:48:03 | wpyh | If I'm not mistaken, 0xeb should be the ON mode |
| 19:48:09 | wpyh | I'm looking at Table 16 |
| 19:48:21 | Buschel | ON instead of ECO |
| 19:49:07 | wpyh | yes |
| 19:49:18 | wpyh | since with 0xeb the bits 7-5 would be all 1 |
| 19:49:30 | wpyh | wouldn't the ECO mode be 0x4B |
| 19:49:52 | Buschel | wpyh: that's what i want to check. non-ECO should be better for a codec when driving low-impedance (in terms of sound quality) |
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| 19:51:07 | amiconn | Iirc the codec of the 1st gen ipod needs ~8mA idle current already (i.e. more than 5mA) |
| 19:51:54 | amiconn | It might be that the newer ones need less though (different wolfsons all over) |
| 19:52:04 | wpyh | I think 0xfb should be reserved too... |
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| 19:53:03 | wpyh | The mode I just tested was 0xeb, which is ON, 2.0V |
| 19:53:14 | wpyh | I will try 0x4b, which is ECO, 2.0V |
| 19:53:21 | wpyh | Correct me if I'm wrong |
| 19:55:00 | Buschel | damn, now we all are confused... 0xeb already is 2.0V ON. |
| 19:55:26 | Buschel | so, finished with this register |
| 19:55:57 | wpyh | OK, with 0x4b I can hear some distortions in bass for high volumes |
| 19:56:02 | wpyh | I'm using 32 ohm phones |
| 19:56:36 | wpyh | ok, next |
| 19:56:58 | Buschel | let's check D3REGC with "pcf50605_write(PCF5060X_D3REGC1, 0x15);" |
| 19:57:07 | wpyh | so that's OFF |
| 19:57:11 | Buschel | yes |
| 19:57:14 | wpyh | ok |
| 19:57:30 | Buschel | this could be the LCD. so prepare for reset :) |
| 19:57:36 | wpyh | ok :p |
| 19:58:04 | wpyh | by the way, if this is the LCD then how does the LCD brightness get set? |
| 19:58:11 | wpyh | We can set the LCD brightness already |
| 19:58:40 | amiconn | There is a pwm circuit |
| 19:58:47 | amiconn | (same as in the ipod video) |
| 19:58:52 | wpyh | Oh, I see |
| 19:59:00 | wpyh | btw, you're right Buschel |
| 19:59:17 | wpyh | the LCD is washed white with a faint Rockbox logo |
| 19:59:20 | wpyh | it's unusable |
| 19:59:22 | wpyh | :p |
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| 19:59:49 | Buschel | perfect:) |
| 19:59:59 | wpyh | btw, why don't we just use the settings for the ipod video? |
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| 20:00:20 | Buschel | i don't know whether the interperation of the settings is the same |
| 20:00:35 | Buschel | change 0x15 to 0xf1 (same as Video) |
| 20:00:35 | wpyh | Interpretation of the settings? |
| 20:00:47 | wpyh | ok, let's see |
| 20:01:19 | Buschel | interpretation = same hardware connected? |
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| 20:01:41 | wpyh | oh.. |
| 20:01:50 | wpyh | then how did the video get those values in the first place? |
| 20:02:03 | Buschel | by testing from my side :) |
| 20:02:12 | Buschel | same as you di right now for the nano |
| 20:02:16 | Buschel | *do |
| 20:02:26 | wpyh | oh :p |
| 20:02:36 | wpyh | the lcd works |
| 20:02:37 | wpyh | :) |
| 20:03:03 | wpyh | how about setting the LCD to ECO? |
| 20:03:07 | wpyh | did you try that? |
| 20:03:43 | Buschel | yes. it works, but i wasn't sure if it is ok for long term usage |
| 20:04:03 | wpyh | you mean the ECO mode might damage the hardware? |
| 20:04:26 | amiconn | If it's actually the lcd only, and not the backlight, eco should work for the nano's lcd controller |
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| 20:05:00 | Buschel | no, i was not sure whether the contrast may suffer |
| 20:05:14 | amiconn | LCD controlllers don't need much power; the one in the ipod video might be different though |
| 20:05:40 | wpyh | well, let's see whether it works with 1.8V then |
| 20:05:43 | Buschel | wpyh: so, testing with ECO would be fine |
| 20:05:54 | amiconn | (because it's not only an lcd controller but also a video dsp) |
| 20:06:01 | wpyh | ok |
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| 20:06:22 | wpyh | amiconn: let's try with ECO 2.6V then |
| 20:06:56 | wpyh | by the way, the way I do it currently is: make, make fullzip, mount, unzip to mountpoint, unmount |
| 20:07:03 | Buschel | on the Video the contrast suffers with <=2.5V |
| 20:07:16 | wpyh | is there a faster way? (i.e. no need to build the zip; only copy the important files) |
| 20:07:41 | amiconn | Just copying rockbox.ipod should be enough |
| 20:07:48 | amiconn | (goes into .rockbox) |
| 20:07:48 | wpyh | ok, thanks |
| 20:07:49 | Buschel | wpyh: that's perfectly ok. to save time you may just copy rockbox.ipod to the rockbox-folder on your nano |
| 20:08:04 | Buschel | amiconn: you were faster ;) |
| 20:08:08 | wpyh | and I can just make rockbox.ipod? |
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| 20:08:17 | amiconn | make bin |
| 20:08:31 | Buschel | faster again :) |
| 20:08:42 | wpyh | oh, ok |
| 20:08:47 | n1s | wpyh: also make zip includes everything but fonts so if you need a full build use that |
| 20:08:47 | wpyh | by the way, it works with 0x51 |
| 20:08:56 | wpyh | n1s: ok |
| 20:09:36 | amiconn | :P |
| 20:09:39 | Buschel | wpyh: can you see any degradation in contrast when further lowering the voltage? |
| 20:10:44 | * | amiconn should probably check voltages on mini G2 one of these days... |
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| 20:11:00 | amiconn | Maybe also H10 |
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| 20:12:05 | wpyh | uh weird |
| 20:12:08 | Buschel | amiconn: good idea |
| 20:12:25 | wpyh | I set D3REGC1 to 0x4b (ECO 2.0V) and it gave me ATA error: -11 upon boot |
| 20:13:04 | wpyh | if I set it back to 0x51, it boots fine |
| 20:13:27 | wpyh | so the ATA error -11 might be caused by some combined problems |
| 20:13:30 | wpyh | any ideas? |
| 20:14:30 | Buschel | not really |
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| 20:15:35 | Buschel | so, we better leave it at 0x51 |
| 20:15:52 | wpyh | let me try to determine the best mode |
| 20:16:00 | wpyh | 0x50 works, but the screen flickers |
| 20:16:11 | wpyh | 0x4f doesn't work (same ata error -11) |
| 20:18:34 | wpyh | ok, the screen flickers even in the default mode |
| 20:19:04 | wpyh | by the way, it would be easier if we could set these at runtime... |
| 20:19:09 | Buschel | so, 0x51 is ok then |
| 20:19:38 | wpyh | yes, I think 0x51 is ok |
| 20:19:47 | wpyh | but 0x50 isn't too much different either |
| 20:20:25 | wpyh | granted, 0xf5 looks best :) |
| 20:20:59 | wpyh | oh, 0x55 looks as good as 0xf5 |
| 20:21:11 | wpyh | so we now know that the ECO mode doesn't affect display quality |
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| 20:21:36 | amiconn | The HD66789R datasheet says 2.4..3.3V. |
| 20:21:50 | amiconn | But current consuption can actually be >5mA when accessing display ram |
| 20:22:33 | amiconn | Typical 11mA when not using HWM |
| 20:23:30 | Buschel | so, using 0xf1 (2.6V ON) would be fine |
| 20:23:37 | wpyh | ok |
| 20:23:46 | Buschel | still less than default |
| 20:23:56 | wpyh | so we can't use the ECO mode? |
| 20:24:24 | Buschel | no for svn i guess, but for local builds and further testing |
| 20:24:33 | wpyh | ok |
| 20:24:47 | amiconn | Those 11mA are 3 Vccs combined though. Dunno which one(s) is/are hooked to D3REG |
| 20:24:49 | wpyh | 0xf1 is quite good |
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| 20:25:58 | wpyh | amiconn: I don't know much about hardware, but does that mean ECO mode might be OK? sorry for the noise.. |
| 20:27:15 | amiconn | It would require ipod hardware documentation (or completely stripping a pcb without destroying traces, then tracing with a multimeter) to say for sure |
| 20:27:25 | wpyh | oh... |
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| 20:29:18 | Buschel | ok, soe for now we have D1REGC = 0xfb (codec at 2.0V ON) and D3REGC1 = 0xf1 (lcd at 2.6V ON) |
| 20:29:33 | amiconn | Yeah, undocumented hardware can be "fun" |
| 20:30:44 | Buschel | wpyh: next try -> set DCUDC1 to off (=0x03) -> might not start, maybe connected to SDRAM |
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| 20:32:37 | wpyh | 2.0V ON for the codec is EB, not FB... |
| 20:33:29 | Buschel | oops |
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| 20:34:08 | Buschel | i would have checked before submitting such changes though |
| 20:35:40 | wpyh | and btw I still get distortion with 0xeb for the codec |
| 20:35:46 | wpyh | you sure you want this in the svn? |
| 20:35:59 | wpyh | with 0xf5 I'm still getting distortion, but only a little |
| 20:37:46 | wpyh | of course, 0xf8 gives even less distortion |
| 20:38:03 | wpyh | 0xf8 is 3.3V ON, so would it damage the hardware? |
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| 20:45:48 | Buschel | wpyh: hmm, 3.3V should be working. the codecs normally work from 1.8...3.6 |
| 20:46:05 | wpyh | well, I'd say let's use 3.3V then |
| 20:46:15 | wpyh | 3.3V is the max. specified in the datasheet :p |
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| 20:46:24 | wpyh | I didn't try ECO 3.3V though |
| 20:47:03 | Buschel | wpyh: you really hear distortions which reducde a lot when using higher voltage supply? i never heard distortions when checking for the ipod video |
| 20:48:14 | wpyh | well, I turned the volume up to max |
| 20:48:36 | Buschel | in bass or in treble? |
| 20:48:41 | wpyh | and listened to Hotel California, the early (~0:30-1:00) drum part |
| 20:48:44 | wpyh | in the bass |
| 20:48:46 | Buschel | (the distortions) |
| 20:48:49 | Buschel | ok |
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| 20:48:54 | wpyh | the other parts I can't quite hear the distortions |
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| 20:51:29 | wpyh | Buschel: I think we can have a setting for this, like "Use high-quality sound" |
| 20:51:38 | wpyh | or maybe we can automate the whole process |
| 20:51:49 | Buschel | so, what you might check now is to use the IPOD_VIDEO-section also for IPOD_NANO. you may additionally change the IOREGC to 0xf5 |
| 20:52:04 | wpyh | if the volume is low, we use a low voltage, if the volume is high then we use a high voltage |
| 20:52:35 | Buschel | wpyh: normally rockbox should use high-quality. if someone can hear any difference the "best" setting should be used |
| 20:53:02 | wpyh | ok |
| 20:53:19 | Buschel | wpyh: we "might" add some pcf low power config or something like this... (just thinking) |
| 20:54:07 | wpyh | ok |
| 20:54:21 | wpyh | btw, for the ipod video, the D1REGC1 is 2.5V ON |
| 20:54:31 | wpyh | should it be also changed to 3.3V ON? |
| 20:54:39 | n1s | please no more options unless they are really needed, so what would a pcf low power setting cause that would want someone to turn it off? |
| 20:55:25 | n1s | s/would want someone/would cause someone/ |
| 20:56:21 | wpyh | well, we can make the power management automatic... |
| 20:56:30 | Buschel | n1s: as i said, i was just thinking... it's always quality vs. runtime |
| 20:56:55 | wpyh | but I noticed that the distortion is inaudible at low volumes |
| 20:57:05 | Buschel | wpyh: no, then we would need to mute/demute as voltage switching causes glitches |
| 20:57:15 | wpyh | uh |
| 20:57:21 | wpyh | I didn't know that, sorry |
| 20:57:51 | n1s | Buschel: imho that is something that does not belong in official builds (a low power thing that causes audio quality degradation) |
| 20:59:03 | wpyh | I changed the IOREGC to 0xf5 as you said, but didn't notice anything changed |
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| 21:00:33 | Buschel | n1s: the interesting thing is that the pcf's default for the nano uses 2.4V which seems to have distortion as wpyh states |
| 21:01:05 | Buschel | n1s: i would really like to know whether the firmware increases this voltage... |
| 21:01:21 | wpyh | Buschel: even 3.3V produces distortions |
| 21:01:33 | wpyh | but the distortions are lesser |
| 21:02:45 | scorche|sh | wpyh: what volume are ylou testing this at? |
| 21:02:47 | wpyh | And they happen only in the very high volumes (I needed to turn the volume up to max to hear it) |
| 21:02:58 | scorche|sh | you mean above 0? |
| 21:03:02 | wpyh | scorche|sh: I tested it at max volume |
| 21:03:09 | wpyh | yes, should be above 0 |
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| 21:03:20 | scorche|sh | above 0 clipping is expected... |
| 21:03:22 | wpyh | uh, that may be the cause... |
| 21:03:27 | PaulJam | amiconn: did you write the PCF50606 driver for h300? |
| 21:03:28 | wpyh | um... |
| 21:03:35 | scorche|sh | 0 = line level... |
| 21:03:47 | Buschel | hmm, so testing at a maximum of 0dB would be appropriate? |
| 21:04:00 | scorche|sh | Buschel: i would say so |
| 21:04:02 | wpyh | scorche|sh: yes... |
| 21:04:05 | wpyh | let's try it again |
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| 21:10:53 | wpyh | ok |
| 21:11:12 | wpyh | testing at 0 db I didn't hear much of a distortion, both with 0xf0 and 0xf8 |
| 21:11:26 | wpyh | I mean I didn't hear much of a *difference* |
| 21:11:56 | Buschel | that's good. and with xeb? |
| 21:12:27 | wpyh | I'll try that |
| 21:17:44 | wpyh | 0xeb gives more distortion in the bass, at 0 db |
| 21:17:50 | wpyh | but it's not so noticeable |
| 21:18:06 | wpyh | I think you might want to verify this with another tester :) |
| 21:19:01 | wpyh | by the way, what does IOREGC do? |
| 21:20:21 | Buschel | it powers the pcf's i/o (e.g. i2c) |
| 21:21:00 | Buschel | if you switch it off, there is no more i2c communication possible (e.g. for RTC) |
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| 21:21:49 | wpyh | I don't really understand / know what this i2c bus is used for |
| 21:21:54 | wpyh | :p |
| 21:22:00 | wpyh | Anyway, that's all for today |
| 21:22:06 | wpyh | I gotta get some sleep |
| 21:22:19 | Buschel | wpyh: thank you a lot for your time! |
| 21:22:30 | wpyh | you're welcome :) |
| 21:22:49 | wpyh | I know that I'll also benefit from improvements :) |
| 21:23:21 | inagi | Is there a way to organize photos other than by date created when viewing them in Rockbox? That way makes it kinda hard to find them... |
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| 21:36:05 | gevaerts | Sorry for the ping everyone. My finger slipped so I pressed enter instead of backspace just after /ping :( |
| 21:36:28 | * | LambdaCalculus37 hands gevaerts a new set of fingers :) |
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| 22:20:18 | Laura | hello |
| 22:21:02 | preglow | why was the 5.5g ata hack reinstated? :/ |
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| 22:27:08 | PaulJam | petur: i just upgraded to the firmware on the CFModGuide wikipage... |
| 22:27:21 | PaulJam | IO4:Illinstr :/ |
| 22:27:37 | petur | at boot? you too? |
| 22:28:06 | petur | so this isn't related to my 80GB disk at all :( |
| 22:28:15 | PaulJam | yes, propably because i have a 40 GB hd |
| 22:28:30 | PaulJam | MK4007GAL |
| 22:31:03 | PaulJam | well, at least the OF still boots. back to the old bootloader. |
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| 22:32:05 | petur | PaulJam: I hope we'll find the time during devcon to fix it... |
| 22:32:06 | PaulJam | petur: i'm not sure if this information helps, but bootloader USB mode works |
| 22:32:33 | petur | yes, more than booting, but not always |
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| 22:32:50 | petur | sometimes it will also crash |
| 22:34:15 | PaulJam | wow, it just booted into rockbox after disconnecting USB. |
| 22:36:22 | petur | there is some subtle race condition somewhere that makes the threading code crash |
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| 22:42:01 | robin0800 | Write access for the TWiki Please? RobinWheeler |
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| 22:44:44 | gevaerts | robin0800: I'll add you. Are you planning to edit something specific ? |
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| 23:01:05 | robin0800 | gevaerts, add a c200 wps in a day or two I hope |
| 23:01:52 | gevaerts | robin0800: good luck with it :) I've added you, so you should be set. |
| 23:02:41 | robin0800 | gevaerts,thanks |
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| 23:04:57 | * | scorche|sh casts a sideward glance at an absent linuxstb |
| 23:06:01 | bluebrother | maybe a hacking session about that on devcon would be helpful? |
| 23:07:05 | scorche|sh | last i heard linuxstb wasnt planning on being there |
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| 23:14:07 | amiconn | preglow: Good question - didn't even spot that until you mentioned it :/ |
| 23:14:27 | preglow | jhMikeS: comments? |
| 23:15:43 | pixelma | I believe there were still (or again) problems, some reports in the forums... |
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| 23:16:09 | amiconn | The hack sure doesn't help tracking down those problems... |
| 23:17:27 | markun | robin0800: one moment |
| 23:17:30 | markun | oops |
| 23:18:01 | pixelma | robin0800: where do you want to add a c200 wps? |
| 23:18:04 | stripwax | re- max_phys_sector_size −− that's a 5.5g ipod necessity, not a 5g ipod necessity, is that correct? |
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| 23:23:59 | robin0800 | pixelma, To the new c200 page in the wps gallery |
| 23:25:08 | pixelma | how nice, and I held that back because I've been told that the new themes site will make the wiki wps gallery superfluent... |
| 23:25:42 | scorche|sh | it will...whenever that site gets done... |
| 23:26:43 | pixelma | yes, and shall a c200 wps page be created in the wiki in the meantime? |
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| 23:26:54 | scorche|sh | probably |
| 23:26:56 | gevaerts | Someone created it already |
| 23:26:57 | robin0800 | pixelma,the page is already there! |
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| 23:28:23 | pixelma | meh, would have done that over half a year ago :\ |
| 23:29:00 | * | scorche|sh wasnt expecting it to take this long |
| 23:29:38 | robin0800 | gevaerts,its not very exciting just now there are better ones on the other theme site imho |
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| 23:29:52 | * | scorche|sh grumbles |
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| 23:31:21 | gevaerts | robin0800: hard to say. I would need to see them on my c250. I have some doubts about the readability of some of them |
| 23:31:45 | * | gevaerts still uses rockbox_default on his c250 |
| 23:32:07 | amiconn | Readability is a problem with the vast majority of colour target themes imho |
| 23:32:20 | amiconn | (including cabbie v1/2/3) |
| 23:32:20 | toffe82 | new movie to replace elephant dream : http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/index.php/big-buck-bunny-movie-files-released/ |
| 23:32:24 | gevaerts | Yes, but especially on c200 |
| 23:36:34 | * | DerPapst likes that movie |
| 23:37:24 | robin0800 | amiconn, Iv'e used cabbieV2 icons Only and viewports for all other elements would i be right in thinking the icons can be reusd as loing as author credited? |
| 23:40:26 | * | bluebrother just watched that movie too :) |
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