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| 00:07:05 | balug_ | Hi, I'm using rb's recording on my sansa for openstreetmapping. One thing that bugs me is that I can't easily decide if the device is recording or not. |
| 00:07:23 | balug_ | Are there any skins that give a clear indication of record/pause? |
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| 00:10:49 | allele | openstreetmapping? |
| 00:11:14 | stripwax | balug_ - do you not get the "while recording screen" ? |
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| 00:13:00 | balug_ | I get the recording screen, no problem with that. But the only way to decide if it is recording is currently looking at the elapsed time and the size. |
| 00:14:33 | stripwax | balug_ - what theme are you using? I thought the default rockbox themes have a play/pause icon |
| 00:14:37 | stripwax | e.g. http://usuarios.lycos.es/delecami/WRS.pdf |
| 00:14:54 | balug_ | And this is a little awkward when walking thru the streets in the middle of the night. As the bottom of the screen is free, I'd like a nice big play / pause icon there. |
| 00:16:19 | balug_ | Yes, thats what I see. But the difference is only in like four tiny characters. Darn, maybe I'm getting old and loosing eyesight. |
| 00:16:52 | seisei | Is there a way to format my m3u playlists in the Playlists folder to play the music loaded onto my ipod by itunes without having to reload the files directly into the Music folder? |
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| 00:23:14 | pixelma | balug_: there are plans to for the "wrs". The first goal is to make it use the user font, not the built-in small one. Work started but no-one can tell when that'll be in current builds |
| 00:29:17 | balug_ | pixelma: Thanks, good to know there is progress. Maybe I'll try to hack and change the background color or something. |
| 00:30:58 | n1s | balug_: the colors should be changable through the theme settings, no hcaking needed |
| 00:31:16 | n1s | colors = foreground and background |
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| 00:32:37 | panic_help | what does *PANIC* Event line full mean? |
| 00:32:48 | pixelma | n1s:guess he means that they should change on recording/paused state |
| 00:33:11 | panic_help | sansa E250 playin a standard unDRMed MP3 |
| 00:33:15 | n1s | ah, then hacking is needed |
| 00:33:24 | allele | do the bmp functions for rockbox allow the background of the bmps to be transparent |
| 00:33:42 | n1s | panic_help: that something went very wrong and that you are probably using an old build as that bug is supposed to be fixed |
| 00:33:49 | pixelma | panic_help: how old is your build? |
| 00:33:57 | panic_help | 2 days |
| 00:34:26 | Nico_P | balug_: I'm curious, how do you do openstreetmapping with an audio recorder? |
| 00:34:28 | n1s | panic_help: what r number does it show when starting or in the "rockbox info" screen |
| 00:34:58 | panic_help | its my moms... and she just took it too play a game, one sec |
| 00:35:54 | panic_help | ok, slightly older... 17451 |
| 00:36:06 | n1s | ok, then update and it should be fixed |
| 00:36:12 | panic_help | ok, ty |
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| 00:37:03 | panic_help | hey, anyone have an iSing from outrageous? |
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| 00:38:11 | BigBambi | panic_help: I don't know what that is, but it sounds off topic |
| 00:38:41 | panic_help | its just a dap very similar too an archos, i was thinking about starting a port |
| 00:39:03 | panic_help | studio* dont know how i skipped that |
| 00:39:38 | BigBambi | panic_help: In that case, OK :) |
| 00:39:47 | BigBambi | which archos though? |
| 00:39:54 | panic_help | STUDIO |
| 00:40:13 | BigBambi | OK, calm down |
| 00:40:15 | panic_help | oops, caps key >.> |
| 00:40:27 | BigBambi | :) |
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| 00:41:12 | BigBambi | Rockbox doesn't support that, so unless something like archopen has done any work (I don't know), it'd be a new port in the standard sense |
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| 00:42:34 | pixelma | BigBambi: ? |
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| 00:42:59 | BigBambi | er, ignore me |
| 00:43:10 | Gartral | from the outside it has a headphone port, mic, mic in, line in (seperate from mic in), USB A to A and SD/MMC card slot, a hold mode and 11 buttons |
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| 00:43:31 | BigBambi | Gartral, pixelma: Sorry, I don't know what I was on about then |
| 00:43:47 | pixelma | the old Player with the charcell display is sometimes also called "Studio" |
| 00:43:48 | BigBambi | Gartral, pixelma: The studio is very much working |
| 00:43:51 | balug_ | Nico_P: I walk along the road, gpx logger in pocket, and whenever I set a waypoint, I record a short message on the device. So I'm often pressing play/pause to switch. |
| 00:45:02 | Nico_P | balug_: right. btw, are you the one who posted the FS feature request for an openstreetmap plugin? |
| 00:45:22 | balug_ | Nico_P: And sometimes I've noticed afterwards that I got out of sync and inverted the state. That I recorded everything but my message. Grmbl. |
| 00:45:57 | Nico_P | I can see how that can be frustrating |
| 00:46:04 | SinthrillMeadear | i just fixed the Arctic_Desert theme for the 5g Ipod. Can I get write permission for the wiki? |
| 00:46:09 | pixelma | Gartral: but the Player/Studio doesn't have an SD/MMC slot. And similarities in looks can sometimes be misleading, like e.g. the v2 sansas look the same as the v1 ones but have very different hardware inside. Do you know more about that device? |
| 00:46:22 | balug_ | Nico_P: No, but I had the same idea weeks ago. And it was the reason for me visiting the website tonight. And then I noticed that somebody else had this idea yesterday. Bugger :-) |
| 00:47:56 | Nico_P | balug_: it actually seems feasible (don't know about the performance requirements, but I guess recent targets like the S will be able to handle it). I've started work on an sqlite port to rockbox, and from what I saw the data is available as an sqlite DB. |
| 00:49:24 | pixelma | Gartral: do you mean that thing http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/It-039-s-Outrageous-Time-iSing-You-Sing-Everybody-Dance-2.jpg ?? |
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| 00:51:04 | balug_ | Nico_P: I think, the sqlite is just the way to trick the original iphone map application into using osm data. I would just have thrown a bunch of bitmap tiles in a dir structure. |
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| 00:51:28 | Nico_P | ah, right |
| 00:51:46 | Nico_P | I didn't read enough of the post the first time ;) |
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| 00:53:23 | balug_ | Nico_P: How much effort would it be to write a small rb app that just knows about the dir structure, displays bitmaps and maps the keys to up, down, left and right scrolling? |
| 00:54:02 | Nico_P | probably not too much actually |
| 00:55:46 | balug_ | I'll look into it. |
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| 00:56:32 | Nico_P | there's a wiki page on how to write plugins, and a helloworld example |
| 00:56:51 | Nico_P | displaying a bitmap file is quite easy |
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| 01:08:29 | ubuntuuuu | Short question: I've set up everything in Ubuntu... and now i got a lot of "Warning differs ... signdness" |
| 01:08:40 | ubuntuuuu | Does that mean trouble ;-) |
| 01:09:35 | ubuntuuuu | (its so fast in comaprison to cygwin in nearly cant believe it) |
| 01:10:20 | pixelma | does that have anything to do with Rockbox? |
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| 01:10:45 | ubuntuuuu | Yes.. the warnings are showing up during compile |
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| 01:19:04 | allele | in ubuntu I've gotten tond of warnings about differs in signedness |
| 01:19:19 | allele | even using breezy badger |
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| 01:31:35 | ubuntuuuu | so is that a problem... or just an important warning? |
| 01:31:55 | Shaid | they're warnings |
| 01:32:09 | Shaid | if it compiles fine, then they're not an issue. |
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| 01:36:42 | ubuntuuuu | fine.. so i am happy... |
| 01:36:45 | ubuntuuuu | THANKS |
| 01:37:59 | allele | hehe |
| 01:38:13 | allele | so anyone know anything about the rb bmp functions? |
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| 01:50:40 | allele | well I answered my question about whether the bmps are transparent - no they are not |
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| 01:54:12 | pixelma | there's no alpha transperency in Rockbox if you mean that but you can "mark" parts transparent by using magenta - unless the bitmap is used as backdrop and only for colour targets. Some plugins use this in their graphics e.g. jewels |
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| 02:01:28 | allele | o ok, thanks. I was planning on just breaking up the image into boxes where it would be solid, but this is much easier :D |
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| 02:08:51 | stripwax | 'icon' bitmaps too |
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| 02:31:57 | * | petur offers drinks for everybody (beer, champagne, you name it) :D |
| 02:33:47 | scorche|sh | kid? |
| 02:33:52 | petur | yes |
| 02:33:55 | scorche|sh | \o/ |
| 02:34:01 | scorche|sh | congrats! |
| 02:34:03 | toffe82 | first one ? |
| 02:34:06 | petur | it's a girl, name = Lotte |
| 02:34:12 | petur | yes, first one |
| 02:34:41 | scorche|sh | another future rockbox hacker? =P |
| 02:34:55 | petur | hehe |
| 02:35:15 | petur | if rockbox still exists in 15 years.. |
| 02:35:26 | toffe82 | why not ;) |
| 02:36:23 | scorche|sh | petur: we demand pictures! |
| 02:36:55 | * | petur gets the card out of his camera |
| 02:37:25 | Shaid | congrats! |
| 02:37:28 | scorche|sh | although if you are exhausted enough, we can wait till tomorrow :) |
| 02:38:00 | soap | congrats - I always figured your avatar was one of your kids and you WTB time to spend with them. |
| 02:38:23 | soap | did you use Rockbox to tape the delivery? ;) |
| 02:38:38 | petur | soap: the avatar is actually a very old pic of me |
| 02:38:43 | scorche|sh | soap: a bit disturbing much? ;) |
| 02:39:29 | petur | to keep this on topic: in the hospital I played music using my h380 and an old radio with line-in |
| 02:40:00 | scorche|sh | future devs are on topic =P |
| 02:41:20 | toffe82 | short nights are comings so you will have more time to dev , between two bibs ;) |
| 02:43:03 | pixelma | too many channels... my congratulation is in the other one ;) :) |
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| 02:43:56 | petur | thanks all... first pic is up: http://users.telenet.be/petur/lotte.jpg |
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| 02:45:56 | scorche|sh | wow...thats a lot of hair...dark stuff too |
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| 03:29:07 | blackvd | I just used the gui installer for rockbox on my iriver H300. I see all the files have been downloaded to the root directory. I downloaded the firmware from iriver and had the installer patch it. however when I reboot it boots to the normal firmware? every time I rerun the bootloader install it says its up to date. |
| 03:31:47 | blackvd | hm ...now I'm getting Could not detect firmware type? |
| 03:36:01 | blackvd | ok so I downloaded the Korean 1.29 firmware and copied it to my iriver root dir ...selected install bootloader and pointed to the H300.hex file. Said every thing went fine. rebooted and still nothing? |
| 03:39:47 | blackvd | never mind forgot to flash >_> |
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| 04:16:54 | Dhraakellian | hmm... I notice that when I have my e200 plugged in with rockbox (charging only), the battery indicator climbs steadily and relatively quickly up to 100, but then it shortly starts dropping off quickly again |
| 04:24:54 | XavierGr | petur: wow! Gongratulations for your cute baby girl. :D |
| 04:26:34 | petur | thnx |
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| 04:32:07 | johfiner | so rockbox is frozen on my ipod photo with an error that was addressed in a recent build BUT the hard reset and shutdown will not work. do i have to wait until the battery dies? |
| 04:32:37 | petur | hard reset always works |
| 04:32:59 | johfiner | really? in the manual it says a hard reset is holding menu + pause, and that is not working |
| 04:33:14 | scorche | if it doesnt, you either have a physically broken device, or are doing it wrong |
| 04:34:01 | scorche | hold menu and the center button |
| 04:34:08 | johfiner | yeah i've done that |
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| 04:34:16 | johfiner | for like 3 seconds, and 30 seconds.... |
| 04:34:24 | johfiner | maybe it really is broken |
| 04:34:47 | scorche | flick the hold switch on, then off, then hold the menu and center button for 30 seconds...take care not to move your fingers too much |
| 04:35:28 | johfiner | okay the problem is the user, of course, i apparently missed the flicking of the hold switch. that worked |
| 04:35:35 | johfiner | thank you! |
| 04:35:38 | scorche | it isnt always required |
| 04:35:46 | johfiner | oh ok |
| 04:36:17 | johfiner | well thanks, i wish i would have done that a few hours ago |
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| 04:50:35 | wpyh | hello |
| 04:50:38 | wpyh | gevaerts here? |
| 04:50:40 | wpyh | n1s? |
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| 04:56:05 | wpyh | Anyway, I found that the CF card was the culprit |
| 04:57:37 | wpyh | I used a transcend cf card last night, TS8GCF133, and it didn't work |
| 04:57:47 | wpyh | now I tried using a sony 1G card, 66x, it works |
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| 05:26:43 | wpyh | does anyone know, how to force a 5.5gen iPod Video to use 512-byte sectors? |
| 05:26:52 | wpyh | Maybe edit the firmware / flash? |
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| 05:34:29 | Gungnir | So, just to double-check what the site told me: If I've got a Sansa v2, I'm out of luck? |
| 05:34:49 | saratoga | ": Sansa c200, e200 and e200R series (not the v2 models) " |
| 05:35:16 | saratoga | wpyh: you could check the SVN logs for the day support for the 80GB model was added |
| 05:35:23 | saratoga | and simply undo that patch i guess |
| 05:35:43 | saratoga | i think that would force 512 byte sectors, but i've never looked at it |
| 05:36:12 | Gungnir | Thought so. Thanks for answering. |
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| 05:37:07 | wpyh | saratoga: I was wondering if I could patch the OF |
| 05:37:28 | wpyh | because if I put RB's bootloader into it, it doesn't even read the bootloader |
| 05:37:41 | wpyh | it just simply goes to the restore screen :( |
| 05:37:44 | saratoga | thats going to be an enormous amount of work |
| 05:38:21 | saratoga | but if you're really good at reading assembly you might figure out how it decides which sector size to use and patch it |
| 05:38:35 | saratoga | assuming its possible to patch that ROM code anyway |
| 05:38:43 | * | wpyh scratches head |
| 05:39:06 | wpyh | That's the problem, I don't know too much about assembly |
| 05:39:18 | wpyh | anyway, the problem is with CF card |
| 05:39:36 | wpyh | with sony's NCFB1G I can boot fine |
| 05:39:47 | wpyh | but with transcend's TS8GCF133 I can't boot |
| 05:40:06 | wpyh | the apple bootloader doesn't even recognize RB's bootloader |
| 05:40:20 | wpyh | I also tried iPodLinux's bootloader, and it didn't recognize it too |
| 05:40:55 | wpyh | But the weird thing is, when I put a new firmware updater in the fw partition, the ipod flashes itself, successfully |
| 05:40:59 | wpyh | Any ideas? |
| 05:41:21 | saratoga | get a CF card taht works and use that |
| 05:41:51 | wpyh | uh... that seems to be the *easiest* route |
| 05:43:32 | saratoga | does it load the bootloader at all or does it crash before transfering to it from the Apple firmware? |
| 05:43:48 | wpyh | how do I determine whether it crashed? |
| 05:45:30 | saratoga | I'm not familar with the ipod bootloader code, but i'd imagine you could figure it out with some debugging there |
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| 05:45:45 | saratoga | maybe try printing from it's main() routine first thing and see if it works? |
| 05:46:12 | wpyh | um, let's see |
| 05:46:55 | wpyh | uh, let's do it step by step |
| 05:47:03 | wpyh | right now I'm using the working card (sony) |
| 05:47:17 | wpyh | I've put the BL and the 64MB build of RB |
| 05:47:30 | wpyh | then it boots and said "No partition found" |
| 05:48:03 | saratoga | No partition found" |
| 05:48:05 | saratoga | No partition found" |
| 05:48:13 | saratoga | well the first thing i'd do is try and figure out what software printed the "No partition found" message |
| 05:48:27 | saratoga | thats probably as good a place as any to look |
| 05:48:37 | wpyh | it's the RB bootloader |
| 05:48:41 | wpyh | ok |
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| 05:58:43 | morghanphoenix | I've got the installation utility downloaded, and my ipod mounted at /media/IPOD and the type selected, the iPod mounted and when I click complete installation it says no iPods found. |
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| 05:59:45 | morghanphoenix | any idea what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 06:00:46 | morghanphoenix | my permissions are fine as well, I can read and write the mount point, and I did a ipod reboot into disk mode like the manual says. |
| 06:02:56 | krazykit | morghanphoenix, what kind of ipod do you have? |
| 06:03:05 | morghanphoenix | 5th gen video |
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| 06:03:20 | krazykit | are you sure it's not a classic? |
| 06:03:34 | krazykit | and are you running rbutil as root / with sudo? |
| 06:03:56 | morghanphoenix | It's the black one with mp4 video support. |
| 06:04:12 | krazykit | that also describes the classic. |
| 06:04:29 | morghanphoenix | hmm, how do I find the difference? |
| 06:04:41 | krazykit | http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 |
| 06:05:48 | morghanphoenix | doesn't look like the classic comes in 80GB |
| 06:06:00 | krazykit | it does. |
| 06:06:07 | krazykit | http://ipodlinux.org/Generations#Sixth_Generation_.286G.2FClassic.29 may be more clear |
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| 06:11:55 | morghanphoenix | still a bit fuzzy, but a google for model ma450ll seems to turn up classic, even though I coulda swore the box said 5th generation whe n I bought it last year. |
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| 06:12:56 | krazykit | does the ipod have rounded edges and a matte finish, or are they more square with a shiny finish? |
| 06:14:35 | morghanphoenix | pretty shiny |
| 06:15:00 | morghanphoenix | ah, on the seccond page. classics are matted |
| 06:15:10 | morghanphoenix | so I guess it is a 5g |
| 06:15:52 | krazykit | so, are you running rbutil as root/sudo? |
| 06:16:42 | morghanphoenix | there it goes :) Wasn't root :P now I feel dumb, didn't see it say I needed to be root anywhere. |
| 06:17:11 | morghanphoenix | Will this blank me or do I still need to figure out how to get rid of those ipod photos that are on there somehow? |
| 06:17:42 | morghanphoenix | extracting failed, unable to create a directory. |
| 06:18:13 | krazykit | what does "blank me" mean? |
| 06:18:29 | scorche|sh | rbutil will not format your device |
| 06:18:41 | morghanphoenix | remove all the pictures and songs on there like itunes or is it just a firmware install |
| 06:18:45 | morghanphoenix | ah |
| 06:19:35 | morghanphoenix | there it goes, it unmounted and remounted as ipod-1 |
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| 06:21:05 | morghanphoenix | Figured it was time to try something different since I need to update my ipod again and don't want to convert 80gigs off oggs to mp3s like I did last time I updated the ipod |
| 06:21:27 | scorche|sh | transcoding is not good... |
| 06:21:49 | scorche|sh | (lossy to lossy of course) |
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| 06:23:46 | morghanphoenix | well, rockbox up and running. now I just need some wiki time to figure out how to use it. |
| 06:24:05 | * | morghanphoenix wonders how well doom will be playable on an ipod :) |
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| 06:37:57 | morghanphoenix | thanks scorche|sh Got it up and running now, just need to read up on how to work it now :) |
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| 07:10:00 | wpyh | does anyone know whether RB works on ipod video 5.5g 30GB? |
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| 07:11:04 | B4gder | it does |
| 07:11:17 | B4gder | as is mentioned on the front page of the site |
| 07:11:47 | wpyh | any problems with the 2048-byte sector size? |
| 07:12:26 | B4gder | problems as in how? |
| 07:12:56 | wpyh | as in the 5.5g 80GB model initially had problems booting |
| 07:13:11 | B4gder | initially? you mean many moon ago? |
| 07:13:28 | wpyh | yeah, many fullmoons ago.. |
| 07:14:06 | B4gder | those problems are fixed a long time ago |
| 07:14:57 | wpyh | ok |
| 07:15:11 | wpyh | so, was the problem in the 30gb model the same as the one in the 80gb model? |
| 07:15:48 | B4gder | I believe so |
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| 07:17:47 | wpyh | well, then I don't understand the 64MB ram selection in the tools/configure script |
| 07:18:13 | B4gder | why would that be about the disk? |
| 07:18:22 | wpyh | AFAIK, the 5g-30GB and 5.5g-30GB models have 32 MB of RAM, and the 5g-60GB and 5.5g-80GB models have 64 MB of RAM |
| 07:18:35 | B4gder | exactly |
| 07:18:37 | wpyh | well, if I recall correctly it turns on some sort of switch |
| 07:18:38 | B4gder | RAM |
| 07:19:35 | B4gder | it makes rockbox use the suitable amount of memory |
| 07:20:15 | wpyh | oh |
| 07:20:20 | wpyh | I was hallucinating, sorry |
| 07:20:42 | wpyh | I thought I saw that the 64MB ram selection was used to determine the sector size... |
| 07:20:48 | wpyh | couldn't find it in the sources now |
| 07:20:50 | wpyh | sorry :( |
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| 07:21:45 | cool_walking_ | Can the amount of RAM not be detected at runtime? Just curious |
| 07:21:56 | B4gder | it can |
| 07:22:08 | B4gder | but nobody has yet done the necessary fixes to unify the builds |
| 07:22:14 | cool_walking_ | Ah |
| 07:22:32 | B4gder | like now it runs the plugins at a fixed address and the end of RAM |
| 07:22:42 | cool_walking_ | Ah |
| 07:22:54 | B4gder | at the end even |
| 07:22:57 | Battousai | 640Kb? |
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| 07:23:28 | wpyh | B4gder: that would be cool to have :) |
| 07:23:42 | B4gder | yeps, I agree |
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| 07:27:52 | morghanphoenix | heh, only found one problem with rockbox so far, so many cool plugins I need to drop some of my music files to make space for it :) |
| 07:28:25 | cool_walking_ | How small is your disk??? |
| 07:28:29 | B4gder | rockbox should take less space than one typical song |
| 07:28:35 | wpyh | yeah |
| 07:28:50 | morghanphoenix | 80, it's not rockbox, it's the wads and the gameboy roms |
| 07:28:58 | Battousai | haha |
| 07:29:52 | Battousai | make way, floyd. the good dr. mario is in. |
| 07:30:10 | morghanphoenix | heh |
| 07:30:31 | morghanphoenix | Lufia, Final Fantasy Adventure, Zelda, Azure Dreams :) |
| 07:30:48 | wpyh | well.. I can imagine your ipod being a portable game device rather than music device... |
| 07:30:49 | scorche | this is getting a bit off-topic... |
| 07:30:59 | * | wpyh shuts up |
| 07:31:31 | morghanphoenix | yeah, the gp2x is my game device, I just thought it was nice that it worked in rockbox. |
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| 07:34:15 | amiconn | B4gder, wpyh: Actually there were 2 problems regarding the G5.5. (1) The logical sector size of 2048 bytes. This was solved early, with a clever trick in the fat driver (after the first try was very unstable). (2) The physical sector size of 1024 bytes (80GB model only) |
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| 07:35:25 | wpyh | amiconn: OK, so rockbox sees the drive as 2048-byte sectors when it is booted up, right? |
| 07:35:34 | amiconn | no |
| 07:35:48 | wpyh | no? |
| 07:35:54 | wpyh | uh.. |
| 07:36:07 | amiconn | At the ata api level, a sector is always 512 bytes |
| 07:36:31 | amiconn | The ata driver handles the translation on the G5.5/80GB |
| 07:37:07 | amiconn | Handling the 2048 byte logical sectors is done by just splitting them into 4 * 512 byte |
| 07:37:33 | wpyh | so, for the 5g(30,60) and 5.5g(30), rockbox sees the drive as 512 byte sectors, while for the 5.5g(80) rockbox sees it as 1024 byte sectors? |
| 07:38:10 | amiconn | no |
| 07:38:39 | amiconn | All of rockbox always sees the drive as having 512 byte sectors, on all targets, except the ata driver itself |
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| 07:39:21 | wpyh | oh, ok |
| 07:39:26 | wpyh | I mean the ata driver |
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| 07:39:37 | wpyh | what does the ata driver see, on the 5g and 5.5g ipods? |
| 07:40:05 | amiconn | The ata driver queries the disk (if support for large physical sectors is compiled in), and if sectors are larger than 512 bytes, splits them on read, and combines them on write |
| 07:40:18 | wpyh | ok |
| 07:40:32 | amiconn | This is done via a single-sector cache |
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| 07:41:17 | wpyh | ok, I understand the "translation" part now |
| 07:41:34 | wpyh | for the 80gb drive, I saw on toshiba's website / pdf that it has 512 byte sectors |
| 07:41:36 | amiconn | ...and it's the reason why *writing* in small chunks is slow in G5.5/80, because it means reading a 1024 byte physical sector, changing the appropriate partial 512 byte sector, and writing back 1024 bytes |
| 07:41:37 | wpyh | so that's false? |
| 07:41:58 | amiconn | The retail version most probably supports 512 byte sectors |
| 07:42:09 | amiconn | The problem is only with the oem version used in the ipod |
| 07:42:36 | wpyh | ok... how do I check whether it's 1024 or 512 byte sectors? |
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| 07:43:43 | amiconn | The same way as ata.c does.... |
| 07:44:36 | amiconn | See ata.c lines 1214 ff |
| 07:44:58 | wpyh | ok, looking at ata_init() now |
| 07:45:36 | wpyh | ah, I see the DEBUGF lines |
| 07:46:25 | wpyh | is this done in the BL or the FW, by the way? I think it's in the BL, but then the configure script doesn't give an option for debug bootloader build |
| 07:46:28 | Buschel | saratoga: still there? |
| 07:46:39 | amiconn | wpyh: It's done in both |
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| 07:47:05 | wpyh | ok... |
| 07:47:24 | amiconn | Debug builds are only useful on targets where you can hook up gdb |
| 07:47:34 | wpyh | oh.. |
| 07:47:47 | wpyh | well, I see it now: MK8010GAH |
| 07:47:50 | wpyh | in the debug menu |
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| 07:56:49 | wpyh | amiconn: how do we know the sector size from the ata identify dump? |
| 07:57:04 | wpyh | I dumped it, then did "od -t x1 /tmp/identify_info.bin -v | cut -f 2- -d ' ' | grep ' ' | sed -e 's, ,,g' | hdparm −−Istdin" |
| 07:57:41 | wpyh | here's the result: http://pastebin.com/m29a5682 |
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| 08:03:47 | JdGordon | are the wps filenames width x height or height x witdh? |
| 08:05:25 | Shaid | width x height is usually the standard for image sizes, I'd expect that to be the case here to |
| 08:08:36 | JdGordon | thats what I thught.. just double checking... |
| 08:10:35 | JdGordon | can somone with a c200 please dump a screenshot of what the cabbiev2 theme looks like with and without AA loaded? |
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| 08:16:38 | Buschel | saratoga: let us talk when you are awake again :) i'll be back again in about 10 hours |
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| 08:23:42 | JdGordon | currently there is no way to define a wps viewport so it uses the themes colours without knowing the colours right? |
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| 08:32:59 | amiconn | wpyh: hdparm obviously doesn't know about the large physical sector feature |
| 08:33:19 | amiconn | I'd just open identify_info.bin in a hex editor and check the respective word |
| 08:34:03 | wpyh | oh.. |
| 08:34:19 | wpyh | which word is it? |
| 08:34:31 | amiconn | The same as the ata driver uses.... |
| 08:34:38 | wpyh | oh.. |
| 08:34:51 | amiconn | Word 106 (ata words, i.e. 16 bit) |
| 08:36:44 | wpyh | it's 0x0160 there |
| 08:37:14 | wpyh | oh, I see |
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| 08:37:29 | wpyh | it's not the little endian byte order, so it's 0x6001 |
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| 08:37:50 | wpyh | then as ata.c does, 1 << (0x6001 & 0x000f) becomes 0x02 |
| 08:38:03 | wpyh | so the sector size would be 2 * 512 = 1024? |
| 08:38:14 | amiconn | Yes, the ata identify dumps are always written as big endian, in order to avoid confusion |
| 08:38:18 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:38:24 | wpyh | OK, thanks |
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| 08:39:09 | wpyh | now I (i'm using the hdd) commented out the #define MAX_PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE in export/config-ipodvideo.h |
| 08:39:30 | wpyh | and see that RB fails to boot now, it says no partition found |
| 08:41:01 | amiconn | Of course |
| 08:41:25 | amiconn | The disk reports an error if you don't read complete physical sectors |
| 08:41:40 | wpyh | oh.... I got it |
| 08:41:42 | amiconn | ...and that's what happens then since rockbox tries to read 512 byte sectors |
| 08:42:04 | amiconn | It already fails at the very start, when trying to read the mbr in disk.c |
| 08:42:37 | wpyh | it's weird though, since I found a usable CF card (sony NCFB1G) that can boot the OF just fine |
| 08:42:46 | wpyh | but fails to boot RB in the same way (no partitions found) |
| 08:42:48 | wpyh | any ideas? |
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| 08:44:46 | amiconn | Debug... |
| 08:44:53 | wpyh | how? |
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| 08:46:31 | amiconn | How did you test, btw? Maybe the bootloader fails already? You need a current bootloader for proper CF support |
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| 08:46:56 | wpyh | I got it off svn :) |
| 08:47:07 | wpyh | yes, I think it fails in the bootloader |
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| 08:47:39 | amiconn | The bootloader uses the same code for ata & fat as the main build, and the bootloader needs to load rockbox from disk |
| 08:48:27 | wpyh | I prepended "ipod.c: " to the message "No partitions found" in bootloader/ipod.c and it shows up |
| 08:48:35 | wpyh | which shows that it failed in the bootloader |
| 08:48:40 | amiconn | petur did the CF compatibility work |
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| 08:48:56 | wpyh | ok |
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| 08:49:00 | wpyh | petur: you here? |
| 08:49:50 | amiconn | It's most probably another nasty deviation from the ata standard of your CF card |
| 08:50:06 | wpyh | btw, if I force the BL to use 2048 byte sectors, it works fine |
| 08:50:11 | * | amiconn is successfully running a 32GB CF card in his ipod mini |
| 08:50:13 | * | petur yawns and thinks 1.5 hours sleep is not enough anymore |
| 08:50:29 | * | wpyh wants that cardd |
| 08:50:53 | wpyh | petur: heard you're the one who did CF compatibility here |
| 08:51:20 | petur | hmmm amiconn knows at least as much as I on this topic (if not more) |
| 08:51:41 | amiconn | You did the whole debugging though |
| 08:51:49 | petur | ack |
| 08:52:39 | amiconn | wpyh: This one: http://www.transcendusa.com/Products/ModDetail.asp?ModNo=174&LangNo=0 |
| 08:53:38 | petur | wpyh: maybe start by uploading a dump of the identify info to the wiki |
| 08:53:40 | wpyh | well, that's TS32GCF133, while my non-working-cf-card is TS8GCF133 |
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| 08:54:10 | petur | I certainly have no time at all, I shouldn't even be typing here :/ |
| 08:54:29 | wpyh | petur: one card (TS8GCF133) didn't work even with the OF, while another card (NCFB1G) doesn't boot RB properly |
| 08:54:34 | wpyh | ok |
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| 08:55:06 | wpyh | amiconn: regarding the cards, then I think the transcend cards can't handle sectors > 512 bytes |
| 08:55:09 | wpyh | what do you think? |
| 08:55:25 | petur | wpyh: on iriver, most cards don't work with OF |
| 08:56:03 | wpyh | petur: well, I put the BL on that transcend card but the ipod always says "restore with itunes" |
| 08:56:10 | amiconn | The apple OF doesn't seem to have problems with CF (only tried booting though) |
| 08:56:12 | wpyh | have you met this problem before? |
| 08:56:26 | amiconn | petur doesn't have an ipod |
| 08:56:37 | wpyh | amiconn: IIUC, the ipod mini only does 512 byte sectors |
| 08:56:45 | petur | no ipod here |
| 08:56:47 | wpyh | while I have a 5.5g ipod |
| 08:56:51 | wpyh | petur: ok... |
| 08:56:55 | amiconn | On ipod you need the correct partitioning |
| 08:57:14 | wpyh | amiconn: as in? |
| 08:57:17 | amiconn | ...plus the correct content of the firmware partition |
| 08:58:06 | amiconn | I'd use dd to copy the first few MB (mbr + whole firmware partition) to the card |
| 08:58:30 | amiconn | Then use a standard partitioning tool to delete the fat32 partition, recreate it with the correct size, and format |
| 08:58:58 | amiconn | No need to reinstall the bootloader this way if it was installed before |
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| 08:59:51 | wpyh | amiconn: did that, didn't work |
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| 09:00:51 | wpyh | the ipod will still ask to restore via itunes |
| 09:01:07 | wpyh | weirdly, if I copy the firmware updater onto the firmware partition, the ipod will flash itself |
| 09:01:13 | wpyh | that means the firmware is ok, right? |
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| 09:03:20 | JdGordon | morning pixelma, I'm working on converting cabbiev2 to not use %m and its not as bad as I thought it might be... the %V syntax is too strict though which makes things irritating, but thats easy to fix |
| 09:03:39 | * | JdGordon isnt 100% sure there isnt a problem with stopping the scrolling though |
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| 09:07:18 | pixelma | JdGordon: too strict, how? |
| 09:08:12 | JdGordon | how you have to put in values for each param... I'd like to just give it a x,y value and then it would use the rest of the viewports dimentinos for width, height. same for colours |
| 09:08:53 | JdGordon | also, for height I'd like to put in something like 4L which would mean 4* line height so the font isnt fixed... |
| 09:09:01 | JdGordon | that one probably wont happen |
| 09:11:04 | JdGordon | another thing I've got annoyed at is image loading doesnt use the viewport x,y offests, not really major but again, something that could be changed |
| 09:12:09 | pixelma | I don't understand the last line |
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| 09:13:54 | pixelma | bitmaps are displayed relative to the viewport's upper left corner you have your "display image" tag in |
| 09:14:41 | JdGordon | arg, yeah, thats what I meant... i need more caffeene :p yes, it works as expected |
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| 09:18:09 | wpyh | amiconn: you there? I found that with the sony cf card, the BL can read the mbr fine (all mbr info ok), but failed when mounting |
| 09:29:01 | wpyh | amiconn: ah, found it! |
| 09:29:34 | wpyh | I formatted the disk as FAT16, but export/ipodvideo.h doesn't define FAT16 support |
| 09:29:50 | wpyh | is there any reason that the iPod Video shouldn't support FAT16? |
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| 09:34:49 | B4gder | no |
| 09:35:15 | B4gder | well, apart from it being mostly useless for 99.5% of everyone |
| 09:35:33 | wpyh | well, people using cf cards (like me) can benefit a bit |
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| 09:35:45 | wpyh | how much is the code overhead? |
| 09:36:19 | B4gder | otoh CF modders should be able to build rockbox too |
| 09:36:42 | wpyh | yeah, would be best if it can be configured easily |
| 09:40:26 | wpyh | Is there a way to replace the firmware partition with a bootloader completely (so we don't have to reply on the OF's bootloader)? |
| 09:44:00 | JdGordon | what are sane default values for the fore/background colours for greyscale lcds? |
| 09:44:12 | JdGordon | they arent stored in the theme at all are they? |
| 09:44:20 | JdGordon | unlike 16bit lcds i mean |
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| 09:49:28 | pixelma | default is black on white and I can't remember ever setting those. Before viewports in the wps you couldn't use other shades of grey anyways, haven't even tried with viewports yet though I like to try |
| 09:50:29 | JdGordon | is it better to set the defaults then to black on white? or not allow them to be skipped? |
| 09:52:36 | JdGordon | black is 0 white is 3? |
| 09:55:06 | pixelma | as far as I'm aware you still can't set anything else than black on white outside the wps, though "set foreground colour" etc. were only excluded for mono lcds in the langv2 update because it's probably doable one day... |
| 09:55:53 | pixelma | about the 0 and 3 - would have to try out which is which myself |
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| 10:02:33 | JdGordon | ok, code review question.... parse lists takes a list of types to pass in the form "ssdddg", now, ive changed it so it sets a bit in an int coresponding to each item in that string weather or not it was parsed OK... I have it so that first s would be bit (1<<0), 2nd is bit (1<<1) etc... it feels a bit backwards to me but makes everything easier... does that sound OK or should it be fixed? |
| 10:09:06 | JdGordon | noone cares one way or the other? |
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| 10:27:12 | * | wpyh busy hacking cf cards, sorry JdGordon |
| 10:31:03 | gevaerts | Right now it's 10:30 am, but when you pinged me it wasn't |
| 10:31:13 | gevaerts | wrong channel... |
| 10:32:16 | std | sorry for noob question, i have no access to http now. does rockbox have any anti-theft abilities? |
| 10:32:38 | std | sucha password at startup |
| 10:32:41 | JdGordon | no |
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| 10:33:46 | wpyh | std: what do you mean by "no access to http"? |
| 10:34:21 | gevaerts | wpyh: probably 'no manual or wiki access' |
| 10:34:33 | std | wpyh: only free IRC port opened for me |
| 10:34:52 | std | so i can't search on rockbox's forum :( |
| 10:35:13 | wpyh | so you can only access the irc? |
| 10:36:20 | B4gder | ah, run your home ssh server on port 6667 and break out of that cage! ;-) |
| 10:36:35 | * | B4gder now goes somewhere else for OT |
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| 10:37:40 | std | B4gder: :) its only for few days |
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| 10:41:50 | std | but "no access to http" was the excuse that i didn't sought the forum for my question :] |
| 10:41:52 | wpyh | does anyone know where I can download older ipod firmware versions? |
| 10:42:06 | std | question was about anti-theft system for rockbox |
| 10:42:52 | std | maybe someone know this? |
| 10:42:55 | wpyh | std: what anti-theft system do you mean? |
| 10:43:26 | std | wpyh: some kind of the access protection. like a password at startup |
| 10:43:41 | DerPapst | wpyh: when the IPL server is back online again try http://ipodlinux.org/Apple_Updaters |
| 10:43:51 | gevaerts | std: as JdGordon said, there isn't one. And I seriously doubt if that would help |
| 10:43:53 | DerPapst | or use google cache |
| 10:43:56 | amiconn | std: That wouldn't help anything, because it's easy to circumvent |
| 10:44:21 | std | hmm.. |
| 10:44:30 | wpyh | DerPapst: Thanks. (can't use google cache in China) |
| 10:44:45 | gevaerts | And even if it weren't, a thief won't know in advance, so he will still steal it |
| 10:45:18 | n1s | std: how does a password prevent someone from stealing the ipod? |
| 10:45:24 | DerPapst | ah... then you have to wait i guess |
| 10:45:43 | wpyh | yeah |
| 10:45:46 | * | n1s is slow this early :) |
| 10:46:32 | DerPapst | maybe put a sticker on it? "This ipod is password protected" :P |
| 10:46:53 | std | n1s: :) but maybe an unusable device will be returned. for some reward |
| 10:47:06 | n1s | DerPapst: but then it's the sticker working :) |
| 10:47:22 | n1s | std: with subsequent arrest? |
| 10:47:29 | std | i though that bootloader is the first code that receives control after startup |
| 10:47:37 | B4gder | anti-theft would make the thief throw it away instead of using it |
| 10:47:40 | gevaerts | std: it will be sold on ebay a 'for parts' |
| 10:47:58 | B4gder | no gain for the original owner anyway |
| 10:48:20 | n1s | std: all rockbox code on an ipod is stored on disk and is accessible through the emegency diskmode -> easy to circumvent |
| 10:48:25 | B4gder | not to mention that most concepts would be worked-around quite easily anyway |
| 10:48:50 | wpyh | unless... well, we edit the flash code |
| 10:48:55 | std | n1s: the guiltly of returner has yet to be proved |
| 10:48:58 | wpyh | has anyone here ever done so? |
| 10:49:40 | n1s | std: isn't possession of stolen goods illegal? |
| 10:49:45 | std | okie, guys, you convinced me) |
| 10:50:39 | std | n1s: one could say that it found the player on the street. isn't it? |
| 10:50:45 | std | *he found |
| 10:51:35 | n1s | ianal but i don't know if that matters |
| 10:51:47 | n1s | also this is getting OT so lets stop here |
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| 12:54:12 | PaulJam | hi, i'm trying to investigate a bug with a patch (FS #7814) where the time display always disappears after some time on my H300. I have nearly no knowledge about how this low level/driver stuff works, so please bear with me if i ask something stupid. I did some experimenting and it seems as if a call to pcf50606_read(0x02) occassionally causes that register 0x10 of the PCF50606 chip gets modified.Almost everywhere else in the SVN code where pcf50606_ |
| 12:54:12 | PaulJam | read* or pcf50606_write* is used for the iriver coldfire targets the fuction disable_irq_save() gets called before. So my question is: what does disable_irq_save() do and what could happen if pcf50606_read() is used without that? |
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| 12:59:42 | amiconn | PaulJam: Access to the pcf50606 on H300 needs to be protected from interrupts, because it is also accessed in interrupt context (button driver) |
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| 13:05:22 | PaulJam | amiconn: so using pcf50606_read() without disable_irq_save() and restore_irq() is a bad idea? |
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| 13:21:41 | PaulJam | JdGordon: btw, will you post an updated merged patch to FS #9051 ? |
| 13:21:42 | amiconn | PaulJam: Depends. If the access already happens in isr context, another disable/enable pair is useless (but it wouldn't hurt) |
| 13:22:37 | PaulJam | amiconn: ok, thank you. i'll try if it fixes the issue. |
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| 13:33:45 | JdGordon | PaulJam: yes, eventually :p |
| 13:34:16 | JdGordon | 9027 is also out of sync now, ill fix both a bit later tonight |
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| 14:43:36 | wpyh | does anyone here hack cf cards too? or understand how it works? I need some help |
| 14:45:55 | wpyh | there's this pin 9 on the cf card, called the OE pin |
| 14:46:03 | wpyh | I mean, it carries the -OE signal |
| 14:46:28 | wpyh | the datasheet for my transcend card says that it needs to be grounded, in order to go to true ide mode |
| 14:46:40 | wpyh | Does anyone think it's safe to do so? |
| 14:47:34 | wpyh | I mean, is it safe to physically ground the pin? |
| 14:54:48 | Llorean | Is this Rockbox related? |
| 14:57:44 | wpyh | I think so, since I can't run RB on this CF card |
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| 15:00:21 | Llorean | Are you running a new enough bootloader? |
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| 15:01:02 | wpyh | Yes, I'm running SVN |
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| 15:01:26 | Llorean | Not build, bootloader. |
| 15:01:36 | wpyh | the problem seems to be that the BL itself is not loaded... the ipod just keeps on going back to the "restore with itunes" screen |
| 15:02:09 | Llorean | Then that's a problem with the apple flash loader, if you never get to the Rockbox bootloader. |
| 15:02:12 | wpyh | I got the svn repository, so it should contain the BL right? I built it myself |
| 15:02:31 | wpyh | um.. |
| 15:02:34 | Llorean | You have to build, and install, the bootloader separately |
| 15:03:13 | wpyh | yes, I did that |
| 15:03:59 | Llorean | Well, it's irrelevant, since apparently you're never getting to Rockbox code anyway, right? |
| 15:04:09 | wpyh | Yes and maybe |
| 15:04:13 | wpyh | I'm not sure |
| 15:04:57 | Llorean | Well, Rockbox certainly never says "Use iTunes to restore" |
| 15:05:12 | wpyh | I think the BL might have been loaded but somehow gets back to the flash code (is this possible?) |
| 15:05:26 | wpyh | right |
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| 15:06:26 | Llorean | It's not really possible. What gives you cause to think that? |
| 15:07:32 | wpyh | Because the first time I load an Apple Firmware onto the Firmware partition, the ipod goes into the flashing mode |
| 15:07:43 | wpyh | And it flashes successfully (at least didn't give me any errors) |
| 15:09:10 | Llorean | But without installing Rockbox at all, you still get the "Use iTunes to restore" message? |
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| 15:09:26 | wpyh | I mean, every time I load an Apple Firmware, it does that. After it flashes itself, (I heard) that a flag is set in the Firmware partition, so it doesn't flash itself anymore |
| 15:09:33 | wpyh | Yes, I get that message |
| 15:09:52 | wpyh | Was thinking whether it was caused by the second partition not formatted correctly |
| 15:10:32 | Llorean | Yes, if it's not formatted correctly, the apple OS will give you that message |
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| 15:11:08 | wpyh | Yeah, so I was wondering whether it's caused by RB or by the apple fw |
| 15:11:48 | Llorean | If you don't install Rockbox, and it still happens, how could it be Rockbox's fault? |
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| 15:13:43 | wpyh | you mean it couldn't be caused by RB's bootloader crashing or something? |
| 15:14:21 | Llorean | If Rockbox isn't installed... how could it crash? |
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| 15:15:00 | wpyh | I mean, there are two situations here |
| 15:15:20 | JdGordon | wpyh: can you connect the CF to your computer? |
| 15:15:35 | wpyh | 1. Fresh installation of OF, it will flash the flash rom fine, then reboot and goes into the "restore with itunes " screen |
| 15:15:56 | wpyh | 2. Patch the FW partition with the BL then reboot and it goes into the "restore with itunes" screen |
| 15:16:04 | Llorean | wpyh: And thus, in 1), you know the Rockbox bootloader had nothing to do with it. |
| 15:16:19 | wpyh | JdGordon: Not right now. But.. would a CF card reader be fine? |
| 15:16:19 | keenox | does anybody know a good (preferably free) usb monitoring tool? |
| 15:16:24 | Llorean | Since the in-flash bootloader always happens before Rockbox's bootloader, if it fails in 1), it's going to fail in 2) |
| 15:16:31 | wpyh | I can probably borrow it from someone |
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| 15:16:55 | wpyh | Llorean: that's one possibility, yes |
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| 15:17:24 | Llorean | I don't see how you could reasonable expect the Apple bootloader to un-fail once Rockbox is installed. |
| 15:18:54 | JdGordon | wpyh: if you can get the CF adaptor, im pretty sure you can force ipodpatcher to install the bootloader onto it without a ipod actually connected... but if the OF flash loader wont play nice then your up shit creek... |
| 15:19:37 | wpyh | JdGordon: well, I can now actually install the BL already |
| 15:19:53 | wpyh | I was thinking whether this card needs to be forced into True IDE mode for it to work |
| 15:20:18 | wpyh | Llorean: ok, so it seems the problem is with the HW |
| 15:20:29 | JdGordon | how do you know its installed? iirc ipodpatcher will say it worked even if it hasnt because of certain error |
| 15:20:31 | JdGordon | sa |
| 15:20:52 | wpyh | Well, I ran ipodpatcher and it says it worked :p |
| 15:21:08 | wpyh | And if I run it with '-d' then it will delete the BL |
| 15:22:02 | JdGordon | anyone interested in rockbox for greyscale ipods and want to commit FS #5282? |
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| 15:25:28 | PaulJam | amiconn: using disable_irq_save() before and restore_irq() after the pcf50606_read() solved the issue with the disappearing clock for me. I was wondering if you could post a comment to FS #7814 pointing out the issues if you have time. I have trouble formulating a comment and you have much greater knowledge of this stuff, so you can explain it better. |
| 15:25:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | JdGordon: I have a 4G greyscale iPod, but it has a broken battery connector; thus I'd like to test it but can't. |
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| 15:36:34 | esperegu | any current players that run rockbox? |
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| 15:37:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Just what's listed on the front page at http://www.rockbox.org |
| 15:37:47 | esperegu | LambdaCalculus37: that are old models right? |
| 15:38:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yep. |
| 15:39:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | Try eBay if you're looking for a Rockbox-compatible player. |
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| 15:53:44 | markun | the gigabeat F touchpad changes frustrate me a bit |
| 15:54:26 | markun | a lot of time I select the wrong item because it also senses "down" just before "select" |
| 15:55:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | markun: Are you talking about the changes jhMikeS made in r17656? |
| 15:55:33 | markun | yes |
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| 15:55:38 | Llorean | markun: He made it optional |
| 15:55:48 | Llorean | Update to a newer build, and it'll default back to the old way, with the sensitive way as an option. |
| 15:55:51 | markun | then I need to update :) |
| 15:56:06 | Llorean | I already made the very same complaint. I *think* some touchpads are just more sensitive than others. |
| 15:58:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: Has anyone else mentioned this? |
| 16:00 |
| 16:02:49 | Llorean | Mentioned what? |
| 16:03:15 | Llorean | There were bug reports of Rockbox being entirely unusable once the sensitive mode was the default. |
| 16:03:23 | Llorean | People were having troubles just being able to navigate. |
| 16:05:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | You may be right about some touchpads being more sensitive than others, though. But it's not *the* answer, of course. :) |
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| 16:36:14 | wpyh | guys |
| 16:36:33 | wpyh | I've got a question here: why do we need to reboot after initializing the database? |
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| 16:44:00 | Llorean | wpyh: Because there's no malloc. |
| 16:45:09 | wpyh | so we can only allocate memory at bootup? |
| 16:45:22 | Llorean | Basically, yes. |
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| 16:46:22 | mcuelenaere | (for the logs): I'll be unavailabe from 6/6 to 20/6 due to exams |
| 16:46:24 | wpyh | ok, thanks |
| 16:46:49 | * | wpyh admires mcuelenaere |
| 16:47:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | wpyh: Here's some more info: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyNoMalloc |
| 16:47:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | mcuelenaere: Good luck on your exams. :) |
| 16:47:22 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: :) are you the rockbox-aholic guy? |
| 16:47:30 | mcuelenaere | LambdaCalculus37: thanks |
| 16:47:50 | wpyh | thanks |
| 16:47:52 | wpyh | yes... |
| 16:48:15 | mcuelenaere | :) I know what's it like |
| 16:48:47 | * | wpyh whispers to mcuelenaere: ssh, Llorean is here |
| 16:49:18 | mcuelenaere | ah yes, on-topic.. well then, I'm off |
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| 17:10:14 | gevaerts | Hub-related USB bus resets are not triggered by the ATA or SD driver. They happen with a ramdisk as well |
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| 17:52:59 | * | dionoea just bough a sansa e260. firmware version is 01.01.11E |
| 17:53:04 | dionoea | does that mean that i'm lucky? |
| 17:53:23 | dionoea | (I was using mtp-detect and saw a string mentioning portalplayer ... which i wasn't really expecting) |
| 17:53:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | dionea: Very lucky. :) |
| 17:53:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rockbox that baby! |
| 17:53:49 | dionoea | Yay! |
| 17:54:01 | dionoea | (although I bough it to test mtp, so it won't be rockbox only) |
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| 17:55:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | dionoea: What else did mtp-detect reveal? |
| 17:55:21 | dionoea | (and the info screen on the device has a portalplayer logo) |
| 17:55:35 | dionoea | LambdaCalculus37: Nothing really intersting :) |
| 17:55:55 | dionoea | Other than the supported audio formats in the OF |
| 17:56:03 | dionoea | whiwh is what I was looking for in the 1st place |
| 17:59:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | Most DAPs play so few audio formats in their default firmwares. |
| 18:00 |
| 18:00:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Which is bad for those of us who prefer free formats like Vorbis and FLAC... :) |
| 18:00:15 | dionoea | exactly :) |
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| 18:00:52 | dionoea | Most of my music is in vorbis ... and this one only does wma, mp3 and wav |
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| 18:01:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | dionoea: Are you going to try to see some more about how MTP communicates with DAPs? There was a little talk yesterday about perhaps working on an MTP stack; check the logs. |
| 18:02:03 | dionoea | No, I'm mentoring a student implementing MTP support in VLC ... and I didn't have any MTP device :) |
| 18:02:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ahh. |
| 18:02:25 | dionoea | So it's MTP support on the other end ... and no low level stuff since libmtp already does that for us. |
| 18:04:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ahh, now I see what you're talking about: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080604#14:14:45 |
| 18:04:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | I missed that little bit on the logs yesterday... ;P |
| 18:05:19 | dionoea | ;) |
| 18:06:25 | dionoea | what does the "installer" option in configure mean? (as opposed to normal firmware and bootloader) |
| 18:06:47 | dionoea | That option doesn't exist in ipod or archos recorder builds. |
| 18:08:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hmm, good question. Never saw the "installer" option, or I didn't pay attention to it. :) |
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| 18:08:54 | DerPapst | make install "installs" a simulator build if you've compiles a sim |
| 18:09:36 | dionoea | that's not the same as the "installer" option in tools/configure is it? |
| 18:09:48 | * | DerPapst not sure and shuts up |
| 18:09:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | I know about "make install"; but not about this "installer" option. |
| 18:10:09 | * | LambdaCalculus37 usually runs "make && make install" |
| 18:11:48 | dionoea | Yay! I've got rockbox runing. That was one unexpected surprise. |
| 18:12:11 | dionoea | Is USB http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080604#14:14:45 |
| 18:12:14 | dionoea | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080604#14:14:45 |
| 18:12:17 | dionoea | oops |
| 18:12:27 | dionoea | stupid touch pad. |
| 18:12:37 | DerPapst | :P |
| 18:12:46 | dionoea | So I was going to ask: Is USB support safe on the e200s ? |
| 18:12:59 | dionoea | (I had some corruption issues on the iPod Video 30G) |
| 18:13:00 | scorche|sh | did you enable it? |
| 18:13:05 | dionoea | Nope |
| 18:13:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | I enabled USB on my iPod and c200. No problems here. |
| 18:14:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | Run ../tools/configure, and edit the Makefile; at the EXTRA_DEFINES line, add -DUSE_ROCKBOX_USB. |
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| 18:14:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then save and make. |
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| 18:14:34 | dionoea | Btw, the new default theme looks good. Congrats to whoever made it. |
| 18:14:38 | * | LambdaCalculus37 knows that he just gave instructions for USB 1.1 speed |
| 18:15:53 | dionoea | isn't hi speed mode stable enough to use? |
| 18:15:59 | dionoea | *high |
| 18:16:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ask gevaerts. |
| 18:16:50 | dionoea | gevaerts: ping! |
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| 18:18:13 | gevaerts | dionoea: pong |
| 18:19:03 | dionoea | Is High Speed USB reliable on Sansa e200? |
| 18:19:31 | * | dionoea just got a new one ... and was lucky enough to have it be one of the old versions. |
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| 18:19:53 | gevaerts | Good question... |
| 18:20:13 | dionoea | ;) |
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| 18:21:04 | * | gevaerts sidesteps the question |
| 18:21:22 | dionoea | I'll give it a try then ;) |
| 18:21:24 | gevaerts | USB is pretty reliable if you don't have hubs in between (with hubs it depends) |
| 18:21:30 | morghanphoenix | am I reading this right? Rockbox scans the drive for tagged files rather than using the ipod database thing right? So could I just drop my files onto the hard drive and force a scan of the drive rather than do an ipod update? |
| 18:21:35 | gevaerts | The sansa ata/flash driver however... |
| 18:22:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, we don't read the iPod database at all. As long as your files are tagged properly, they'll show up in the Rockbox database. |
| 18:22:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | And you can simply just copy files onto your iPod in the style of an external hard drive. |
| 18:22:49 | morghanphoenix | Nice, copy only, I can get rid of all those kpod files and make a directory that actually makes a bit of sense :) |
| 18:22:54 | dionoea | gevaerts: other question, can rockbox expose the microSD card's content instead of the internal flash through USB? |
| 18:23:34 | morghanphoenix | but it doesn't support the id3v2 in-tag jpeg album art does it? |
| 18:23:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | If you want (and if you don't mind copying all of the music over again ;)), you can delete the iPod_Control folder from your iPod, then copy all of your music into a new folder structure of your choice. |
| 18:23:53 | gevaerts | dionoea: yes. Now the interesting bit : on my c250 the microSD has guaranteed data corruption after copying a few hundred MB over USB. Internal is much better |
| 18:24:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | morghanphoenix: No, Rockbox only supports album art in bitmap format. |
| 18:24:27 | gevaerts | dionoea: However, c200 and e200 seem to behave differently here, so I don't know what your experiences will be |
| 18:24:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | See this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
| 18:24:55 | gevaerts | dionoea: I saw you mentionned corruption issues on ipod earlier. What sort of corruption ? |
| 18:24:55 | morghanphoenix | Yeah, the ipod dbase is all mp3 reencodes of ogg files, I need to redo all the files anyways. |
| 18:25:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | morghanphoenix: Bad idea, going lossy to lossy like that. :) |
| 18:25:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | Why not rip as FLAC and then you can transcode those to MP3? |
| 18:25:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | Lossless to lossy is a better idea, IMHO. |
| 18:25:48 | morghanphoenix | yeah, all the discs are long gone, and the ipod needed mp3. |
| 18:25:50 | dionoea | gevaerts: the FAT partition was all messed up because of illegal filenames ... which must have been due to corruption |
| 18:25:58 | dionoea | I don't know if it was using a recent rockbox build though |
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| 18:26:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | morghanphoenix: Not anymore, it doesn't. ;) |
| 18:27:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then again, I haven't touched my iPod's OF in... jeeze, I don't know how long! |
| 18:27:13 | morghanphoenix | don't happen to know where all those pictures from the ipod got dumped do you. I no longer have a windows computer to reset the ipod with and there are lots of pictures on there. |
| 18:27:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | What model? |
| 18:27:29 | gevaerts | dionoea: hm. I wouldn't expect that sort of corruption. |
| 18:27:51 | morghanphoenix | 5 or 5.5 |
| 18:28:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | Search through the iPod_Control folder on the root of the hard drive for any picture files, then move them all into a separate folder on your iPod (e.g. Pictures). |
| 18:28:49 | morghanphoenix | there's a photos folder, but it only has a db file and a folder for thumbs with a few .ithumb files in it |
| 18:28:52 | gevaerts | dionoea: We had that with experimental patches, but those versions didn't appear in svn, and that was long before high speed support |
| 18:29:31 | dionoea | Hum, maybe it was an old weird version of rockbox runing :) (not with any usb patches though) |
| 18:30:02 | dionoea | Where is the microSD exported? Doesn't looks like /dev/sdb2 is the microSD |
| 18:30:23 | dionoea | Or is that default disabled in the code due to the corruption issues? |
| 18:30:39 | gevaerts | No. That's the firmware partition. microSD should be /dev/sdc |
| 18:30:52 | dionoea | hum ... doesn't show here |
| 18:31:02 | * | gevaerts guesses. gentoo or ubuntu ? |
| 18:31:06 | dionoea | Does it need a special kernel option to have 2 devices on the same usb connection |
| 18:31:11 | dionoea | debian but custom kernel |
| 18:31:26 | morghanphoenix | what about all the db and ithumb files? they're pretty damn big |
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| 18:32:35 | gevaerts | dionoea: You need either CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y, or (but I'm not sure about this one) set the max_luns parameter for scsi_mod to a sane value |
| 18:32:56 | gevaerts | What does cat /sys/module/scsi_mod/parameters/max_luns give you ? |
| 18:33:07 | dionoea | 1 |
| 18:33:12 | dionoea | should I try setting it at 2 ? |
| 18:33:34 | gevaerts | Yes (or higher) |
| 18:34:37 | dionoea | Looks like it worked. |
| 18:34:38 | dionoea | Thanks |
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| 18:35:22 | gevaerts | You'll need the same thing if you ever want to use a multi-card reader |
| 18:36:03 | dionoea | I'll just enable the SCSI_MULTI_LUN option in my kernel |
| 18:36:42 | gevaerts | modules.conf (or wherever that is these days) can also help |
| 18:37:46 | dionoea | I have scsi builtin my kernel ... so I don't know if that would work. Maybe as a kernel option in grub. |
| 18:38:14 | gevaerts | maybe |
| 18:39:07 | dionoea | Does USB charging work ok on e200 in rockbox? |
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| 18:42:49 | * | gevaerts is no charging specialist |
| 18:43:32 | gevaerts | I don't think so. It might charge a bit, but it won't charge fully and it will be slow (unless I'm not following developments properly) |
| 18:44:19 | dionoea | So that means that you need to switch to OF to charge? |
| 18:44:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | Best thing to do for now. |
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| 18:48:54 | pondlife | PaulJam: Did I update http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7814 suitably? |
| 18:49:19 | pondlife | I note that the pcf50605 RTC code isn't disabling IRQs though. |
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| 18:55:29 | PaulJam | pondlife: in your patch could you check the rtc_check_alarm_flag() function? it seems to return before setting the old irq level. and for h300 you define HAVE_RTC_ALARM twice. but apart from that i think i basically did the same changes. |
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| 18:57:05 | pondlife | Thanks, just fixing... |
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| 19:03:00 | PaulJam | pondlife: another thing: you sometimes use restore_irq() and sometimes set_irq_level() . was that intended? |
| 19:03:22 | pondlife | No... ;) |
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| 19:05:35 | pondlife | disable_irq_save()/restore_irq() is preferred, I'd think? |
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| 19:07:26 | PaulJam | pondlife: i don't know. |
| 19:09:45 | pondlife | OK, updated patch is there. |
| 19:10:26 | pondlife | The const police are itching to raid rtc_write_datetime(), but some targets update the buffer in place :/ |
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| 19:21:32 | PaulJam | pondlife: btw, can't check if the alarm still works with these changes because i still use the official bootloader, so could you test that when you have access to yout h300 again? |
| 19:21:50 | pondlife | Yes, I guess so. |
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| 19:22:06 | pondlife | I'm still running an RTC alarm patched bootloader from a year ago. |
| 19:22:18 | pondlife | I guess that will work.. |
| 19:24:53 | amiconn | pondlife: Why should the pcf50605 rtc code disable interrupts? |
| 19:25:17 | pondlife | I don't know if it should. |
| 19:25:24 | amiconn | It is only necessary if the pcf5060x is accessed from within isr context as well |
| 19:25:37 | amiconn | That happens on H300 (and X5 and M5), but not on ipods |
| 19:25:47 | pondlife | The pcf50605 code isn't used for keys at all then? |
| 19:26:19 | amiconn | No, the buttons are hooked up very different in ipods and other pp targets |
| 19:26:53 | pondlife | I was more thinking of a pcf5060x, not any particular target. |
| 19:27:48 | amiconn | No target having pcf50605 uses it for button reading |
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| 19:28:57 | amiconn | In fact it can't, because the 50605 has no adc, unlike the 50606 |
| 19:29:09 | pondlife | That's a good reason. |
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| 19:30:24 | amiconn | (except batvolt) |
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| 19:41:33 | saratoga | do MACs on coldfire's EMAC unit operate at 32x32=64 precision or something else? |
| 19:43:07 | amiconn | 32x32+48->48 |
| 19:43:10 | amiconn | See coldfire manual |
| 19:43:39 | saratoga | ah that makes more sense |
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| 20:13:09 | webguest64 | I cannot play music on my ipod using rockbox, it shows the song playing but no sound, it says missing codec/ no rockbox directory : installation incomplete |
| 20:13:46 | wpyh | it says what it sees |
| 20:14:02 | wpyh | that means you probably didn't install Rockbox correctly |
| 20:14:22 | wpyh | did you build it yourself or download a binary? |
| 20:14:35 | webguest64 | I just downloaded the program |
| 20:14:44 | domonoky | webguest64: make sure you have a ".rockbox" dir in the root of your player .. |
| 20:14:50 | BigBambi | webguest64: which program? |
| 20:15:05 | webguest64 | i think i know where i went wrong |
| 20:15:13 | BigBambi | and missing coded means that you have not a build properly extracted to the player, only the binary |
| 20:15:17 | BigBambi | *codec |
| 20:15:26 | webguest64 | i copied the files from .rockbox not the file |
| 20:15:31 | BigBambi | eh? |
| 20:15:43 | BigBambi | You should extract the zip file directly to your player |
| 20:16:06 | * | bluebrother points to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtility |
| 20:16:09 | BigBambi | So that, as domonoky said, you end up with a .rockbox directory at the highest (root) level |
| 20:16:35 | bluebrother | and Rockbox is not a program. It's a firmware ... |
| 20:16:42 | webguest64 | along with "notes" "calender" ect |
| 20:16:47 | Buschel | wpyh: regarding your ipod scrollwhell issue. you may change "if (status & 0x40000000)" to "if ((btn==BUTTON_NONE) && (status & 0x40000000))" in firmware/target/arm/ipod/button-clickwheel.c, function ipod_4g_button_read() |
| 20:16:48 | BigBambi | Note the full stop in front - it is important |
| 20:17:10 | bluebrother | use Rockbox Utility −− it's much easier. |
| 20:17:11 | BigBambi | webguest64: I still don't know what you did - make life easy for you and us and use rbutil as bluebrother said |
| 20:17:13 | wpyh | Buschel: I'll make note of that |
| 20:17:35 | webguest64 | thanks |
| 20:17:44 | Buschel | wpyh: this should avoid scrollwheel activity while button presses |
| 20:17:53 | wpyh | Oh |
| 20:18:09 | wpyh | Actually I found that the scrollwheel already works |
| 20:18:32 | wpyh | I mean, it works as expected |
| 20:18:46 | bluebrother | hmm. Do we intend to provide 64bit binaries of sansapatcher again? |
| 20:19:03 | BigBambi | I would imagine ideally so |
| 20:19:09 | wpyh | I tried this: 1) hold down the play button, while 2) scrolling up and down |
| 20:19:14 | BigBambi | along with 64bit rbutil |
| 20:19:16 | wpyh | the result: RB powers down |
| 20:19:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | I see no reason not to. |
| 20:19:21 | BigBambi | just needs someone to build it :) |
| 20:19:25 | bluebrother | BigBambi: would be nice too. |
| 20:19:39 | bluebrother | we are also missing a OS X build of current rbutil :( |
| 20:19:54 | BigBambi | yes, not so easy to sort that |
| 20:20:45 | wpyh | Buschel: so my click wheel problems must be related to something else (don't know what, yet) |
| 20:20:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | We need an OS X-using kind soul to provide that for us. |
| 20:21:21 | wpyh | btw, who is the webmaster (the one who manages the website and wiki) around here? |
| 20:21:36 | wpyh | I think the wiki could be improved somewhat |
| 20:21:42 | BigBambi | wpyh: Bagder_ , LinusN and Zagor are the head honchos |
| 20:21:55 | Buschel | wpyh: ok, if you've still have suggestions about some issue in the scrollwhell driver -> ask :) |
| 20:22:01 | wpyh | ok, thanks |
| 20:22:05 | wpyh | Buschel: ok :) |
| 20:22:22 | wpyh | for example, http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtility redirects to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 20:22:22 | * | bluebrother remembers his suggestion regarding diffstat and stylesheets for the website |
| 20:22:35 | BigBambi | wpyh: then change it - it is a wiki.... |
| 20:22:45 | wpyh | it would be better if it behaves like Wikipedia |
| 20:22:48 | BigBambi | ignore me |
| 20:22:51 | BigBambi | That is normal |
| 20:22:59 | BigBambi | it is just a shortcut for typing |
| 20:23:06 | bluebrother | wpyh: well, it's at least nice we have this shortcut using /wiki/ |
| 20:23:41 | bluebrother | this issue has been talked about earlier. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be easily possible to make the URLs nicer |
| 20:23:46 | wpyh | yes, but using mediawiki I can make the pages appear as <server>/wiki/Article, and doesn't change the address bar contents to <server>/wiki/index.php?Article |
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| 20:24:01 | wpyh | oh... |
| 20:24:16 | bluebrother | but this isn't mediawiki ;-) |
| 20:24:38 | BigBambi | the pros and cons of different wiki software has also been discussed IIRC |
| 20:24:46 | BigBambi | check out the logs to be sure... |
| 20:24:53 | wpyh | ok |
| 20:25:07 | wpyh | I'm not suggesting we change to a different wiki software though :) |
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| 20:25:38 | bluebrother | if you figure how to make the links nicer please tell ;) |
| 20:25:59 | wpyh | well, I've only set up mediawiki before :p |
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| 20:32:03 | webguest64 | ok I have it working, thanks much. But another question, I just started computer programming using C++, is there a way to make a C++ program for rockbox? |
| 20:32:15 | wpyh | great :) |
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| 20:32:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | No, only plain C. |
| 20:32:24 | wpyh | I think C++ is not supported, but the devs can answer that |
| 20:32:32 | * | wpyh is slow on keyboards... |
| 20:32:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | RButil is in C++. |
| 20:32:53 | * | LambdaCalculus37 looks to bluebrother for the answer |
| 20:33:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | But Rockbox itself is plain C with some assembler for platform-specific bits. |
| 20:33:21 | bluebrother | rbutil is c++ using Qt4 |
| 20:33:28 | wpyh | I think RBUtil is in C++ purely because of the Qt dependency |
| 20:33:49 | bluebrother | well, theoretically you could write plugins in c++. But there's no stdlib available, so ... |
| 20:33:58 | webguest64 | I am using Dev C++ as a compiler, can i use that at all |
| 20:34:03 | gevaerts | wpyh: that's a bit of a chicken and egg reasoning |
| 20:34:20 | wpyh | gevaerts: uh... no? |
| 20:34:33 | bluebrother | webguest64: you can use devc++ to build c++ programs. You can't use any host compiler to build binaries to run on a Rockboxed device |
| 20:34:34 | webguest64 | sorry i have no clue , just checking |
| 20:34:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest64: Windows or Linux? |
| 20:35:00 | wpyh | webguest64: if you know c++, I think you know c |
| 20:35:05 | bluebrother | wpyh: there's another reason: the "original" rbutil was based on wxwidgets and its original author, Cassandra, choose c++ for it. |
| 20:35:21 | bluebrother | wpyh: you're aware that c++ is not just only a superset of c? |
| 20:35:30 | gevaerts | wpyh: (not that I know about it...). As far as I know RBUtil follows a "standard" c++/qt design. If it were "just for qt", you could do a c-style thing with some bindings |
| 20:35:30 | bluebrother | LambdaCalculus37: I think devc++ is windows only |
| 20:35:40 | wpyh | bluebrother: oh, I thought it was because it used Qt |
| 20:36:00 | bluebrother | no we ported it to Qt later. |
| 20:36:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest64: Some pages for you: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 20:36:08 | wpyh | well, I heard that before, but I think C++ is more complex than C, so you can take your C++ knowledge, shape it a bit, and then start writing C code |
| 20:36:08 | wpyh | :D |
| 20:36:10 | domonoky | rbutil was c++ before it used Qt.. :-) |
| 20:36:21 | wpyh | oh.. |
| 20:36:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | Also http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile |
| 20:36:33 | * | bluebrother notices domonoky being slow today ;-) |
| 20:36:35 | wpyh | btw I've never used RBUtil :p |
| 20:36:49 | bluebrother | wpyh: then you should! Go! Now! ;-) |
| 20:36:54 | * | domonoky is slow, but coded on both versions of rbutil :-) |
| 20:37:02 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 20:37:14 | * | bluebrother takes the blame for killing rbutil wx |
| 20:37:25 | wpyh | bluebrother: I was a bit afraid it would mess up with my setup |
| 20:37:37 | wpyh | RBUtil is GUI-only, right? |
| 20:37:49 | bluebrother | yes. But there's a cli interface patch in the tracker |
| 20:37:57 | domonoky | wpyh: i started a cli version of rbutil, its in the tracker... |
| 20:38:04 | domonoky | too slow again.. :-/ |
| 20:38:25 | bluebrother | we're currently doing some code cleanup ... eventually we can have two versions rather easily |
| 20:38:33 | bluebrother | (or at least I hope so ;-) |
| 20:38:36 | wpyh | ok |
| 20:38:36 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gives domonoky some coffee for caffeine |
| 20:38:47 | wpyh | so is it a library/interface design? |
| 20:38:59 | bluebrother | not yet. |
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| 20:39:11 | wpyh | ok, but a CLI is nice :) |
| 20:39:23 | * | wpyh never gets sudo/su with GUI right |
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| 20:39:49 | bluebrother | need to adjust xhost? |
| 20:40:06 | wpyh | xhost? |
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| 20:40:21 | * | wpyh wonders what happened to BigBambi (or his computer) |
| 20:40:25 | domonoky | wpyh: feel free to improve the cli patch, its probably a bit outdated... and i dont have enough time to work on it.. |
| 20:40:48 | wpyh | domonoky: I probably don't have enough time either, but I'll take a look |
| 20:41:28 | bluebrother | wpyh: beware that I'm currently rewriting the bootloader installation stuff. Things will change quite a bit |
| 20:41:59 | wpyh | I'll just take a look, won't change anything there |
| 20:42:06 | wpyh | I've got a lot in my TODO anyway :p |
| 20:42:15 | * | bluebrother wouldn't mind someone updating the patch |
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| 20:44:47 | wpyh | by the way, I'm still searching for a compatible cf card for my ipod video 5.5g |
| 20:44:58 | wpyh | has anyone here successfully done such a mod? |
| 20:45:45 | bluebrother | you're aware there's a wiki page about CF mods? |
| 20:46:36 | wpyh | yes, but I didn't find a compatibility list for the 5.5gen ipod |
| 20:46:47 | wpyh | it only talks about the cf card adapter |
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| 20:50:34 | bluebrother | domonoky: I figures that designer added some weird html for the longer labels −− but it also works if you use only tags. |
| 20:51:05 | bluebrother | I'm going to change that (it also makes those labels use the default font size which is a bit bigger than currently used) |
| 20:51:24 | domonoky | jup change it, it got probably in by accident.. |
| 20:51:53 | bluebrother | I think it got added by using the "edit rich text" menu. I believe it was me who did that ... |
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| 22:06:27 | Sakui | what version of firmware does the Sansa View need in order to be in UMS mode? |
| 22:07:40 | scorche|sh | no clue and off-topic |
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| 22:25:35 | Buschel | saratoga: you are working on mp3-optimization right now? |
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| 22:31:25 | keenox | hello |
| 22:31:49 | keenox | who should i talk to in order to be able to contribute to the wiki pages? |
| 22:33:23 | pixelma | what's your wiki name? |
| 22:36:11 | keenox | RaduCoriu |
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| 22:37:20 | pixelma | anything specific that you want to change? And do you promise not to spam? ;) |
| 22:37:41 | keenox | i wanted to add some pics of the x20 pcb |
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| 22:37:51 | keenox | i'll not spam |
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| 22:38:52 | keenox | i think i'll add the pics tomorrow 'cause it's pretty late now |
| 22:39:39 | keenox | are you in charge of the wk |
| 22:39:44 | keenox | wiki pages? |
| 22:41:27 | pixelma | not really, but I can add you to the list of people with "write access". Speaking of which you should now be able to edit pages |
| 22:41:38 | keenox | thanks |
| 22:41:47 | keenox | i just checked and it works |
| 22:42:42 | keenox | can i add the pics directly to the wiki page or i can use only links? |
| 22:43:27 | keenox | i must go |
| 22:43:30 | keenox | bye bye |
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| 22:44:56 | pixelma | that was quick... |
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| 23:16:08 | saratoga | Buschel: yeah I want to look at mp3 |
| 23:16:20 | saratoga | i read through the spec and the mad source code |
| 23:16:29 | saratoga | going to try some improvised profiling tonight |
| 23:16:47 | saratoga | seems to me the issue is probably the excessive use of 64 bit ints |
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| 23:21:47 | saratoga | anyway i need to go out for a while, probably have questions for you later |
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| 23:27:42 | dionoea | Are the sansa and the ipod connectors the same? |
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| 23:28:28 | dionoea | (the 2 small dents on the side of the ipod one are a bit small than the sansas... but otherwise they look really similar) |
| 23:29:08 | krazykit | dionoea, they pinout is different, so you shouldn't plug one into the other |
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| 23:29:36 | dionoea | ah ok, that's what I wanted to check before trying it out :) |
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| 23:33:13 | dionoea | also something I noticed when using the sansa with rockbox (not sure if it does it too with the OF): when you use a key it creates some noise in the headphones. could be some kind of interference in the circuit I guess. |
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