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#rockbox log for 2008-06-08

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02:33:38*Buschel is really helpless about some asm :/
02:34:01Buscheli don't know what's going wrong
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03:12:45Buscheltook me 2 hours now
03:13:12Buschelwould have been better to take a look at the arm asm documentation before
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03:17:09saratoga2this is for MPC?
03:17:18Buschelyes, the dct32-stuff
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03:55:51phishDoes rockbox support a NTFS formatted drive?
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04:04:54MU{lappy}meh, i can't speak for other targets, but beast won't even get as far as the bootloader anyway if you reformat the storage partition
04:05:15MU{lappy}unless i'm just missing exactly the right parameters for mkdosfs
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04:40:46soapsaratoga2, fine fine response, but I think you just guaranteed another post by cool walking. ;)
04:40:58zeer what, this isn't the chan i was in! ignore that :p
04:42:18Lloreansoap: I suppose if the original post were *slightly* different, saying "your only options for an assured ability to use Rockbox" instead of just "your only options" there wouldn't be as much room for quibbling.
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06:12:11{Nathan}How can I put my Ipod into sleep mode or completely off?
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06:13:10krazykitrockbox does not have a sleep mode. the manual covers how to turn off the ipod
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10:06:29unpaidbilldoes rockbox allow me to copy mp3s directly onto the ipod, or do i still have to use itunes?
10:07:59fmlunpaidbill: if you can install and run rockbox on your ipod then you can forget itunes. You'll just have another drive to copy files to.
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10:08:37unpaidbillexcellent. even if rockbox is skinned with a bunch of goatse images, it's worth using just for that reason alone.
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10:22:34markununpaidbill: although some people dislike it exactly for this reason too
10:23:21wpyhmarkun: well, reading the Golden Quotes I think that kind of behaviour is common, no?
10:23:47markunwpyh: some also dislike it because of the bag-of-shit sound :)
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10:25:09wpyhwell, some people expect RB to actually sound *better* than the OF
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10:45:43SliMMhow do I create a font for rockbox
10:46:11SliMMactually, how do I convert a TTF for use with rockbox?
10:46:34PaulJammaybe you find something here:
10:46:39markunSliMM: you can use a tool called otf2bdf or use a font editor
10:46:55SliMMthank you
10:46:57markunbut conversion from TTF doesn't always look very good (usually it doesn't)
10:47:18SliMMmarkun: and what other options do I have?
10:48:52wpyhSliMM: because there's no translucency / alpha blending
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10:49:09wpyhso the fonts will appear more like "cookie crumble fonts"
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10:49:38SliMMwpyh: yes, I figured that out, but how can I make fonts look better
10:49:50SliMMthe fonts already there look quite well
10:50:35wpyhTry bitmap fonts
10:51:46SliMMdo you think DejaVu has a bitmap version along with the true type?
10:53:34SliMMI know it's a bit off-topic, but where's the fonts folder in linux?
10:55:45fmlWhat info is shown in the 'Rockbox Info' screen about the drives? "Free/Total" or ''Occupied/Total"?
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10:56:58wpyhSliMM: Ah, DejaVu -> that would be best drawn using AA
10:57:28wpyhI don't know whether there's any, but right now we don't have that support
10:57:39SliMMwpyh: I can't argue with that, but most fonts would
10:58:00SliMMwpyh: I haven't found any support for that
10:58:13wpyhYes, right now we don't have support for "AA" fonts
10:58:18SliMMwpyh: and I think it's rather impossible for some targets
10:58:32PaulJami think ther is a patch on the tracker
10:58:52SliMMPaulJam: that sounds interesting
10:59:31wpyhYes, for monochrome targets it may be impossible
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10:59:49wpyhPaulJam: which FS task is it?
11:00:12SliMMwpyh: :)) I was reffereing to slow targets, like my iPod Video
11:00:27SliMMreferring *
11:02:01SliMMI'll stick to aliased fonts for now, my iPod works slowly enough
11:02:57wpyhOK, thanks
11:03:07wpyhSliMM: is it a 5.5gen iPod or a 5gen iPod?
11:04:23SliMMwpyh: this should do it:
11:07:11wpyhUh, SliMM: the screenshot in that tracker item shows the '0' being ugly
11:07:19wpyhmaybe this font is best rendered with AA after all
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11:07:34wpyhAnyway, yeah, my 5.5gen iPod also renders very slowly
11:08:26wpyhand I think you should use convttf for the purpose of converting the fonts if possible:
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13:29:58Buschelam i the only one with problems with the pc-sim (ipod video)? it starts and shows some internal error
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13:32:17*Buschel would like to use the sim would for some vast printf-debugging
13:34:08PaulJam_in which environment do you try to run the sim? i think audio in the vmware image is broken
13:34:25BuschelPaulJam: win2k
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13:35:01BuschelPaulJam: if i remove the .rockbox folder it basically starts
13:35:39Buschel(with some error message and without any plugins or themes of course)
13:36:40PaulJam_you could try this (assuming you use the vmware image):
13:38:44Buschelhmm, my problem sounds different −− the sim worked before. and it doesn't crash on trying to playback a track −− it even doesn't load and start
13:39:18PaulJam_ok, i thought maybe voice tries to playbac at startup
13:41:13Buschelweird... hopefully i can track it down...
13:42:22*Buschel wants to try to insert/adapt an existing fast dct asm-optimized into mpc
13:42:39Buschelbut for this i need to check what the C-version of this fast dct does
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13:43:23domonokyBuschel: and whats the error ?
13:43:24Buschelyesterday i started to translate mpc's dct into asm. hard work and the function will get quite large
13:43:36PaulJam_Buschel: what source revision do you use?
13:44:00BuschelPaulJam: r17703
13:44:33Buscheldomonoky: i am not on my dev-pc right now. so, i cannot say exactly. i just thought it might be known...
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13:47:17Buschelis the location of the .rockbox-folder for sim the same? or was this changed?
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13:48:38domonokyBuschel: did you do a "make install" after building the sim ?
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13:49:23Buscheldomonoky: no, only "make zip", unzip in the standard folder and copy the .exe
13:49:39Buscheldomonoky: good hint, i'll try this next time i'm on my dev-pc
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13:51:28domonokythen you probably made something wrong there :-) standard way is to run "make && make install && ./rockboxui −−background" :-)
13:52:00Buschelwell, i am not perfect ;-)
13:52:07Buschelthanks for your help
13:56:04shiftplusonewhat version of gcc and binutils am I supposed to have to compile properly?
13:56:28shiftplusoneI am getting some compile errors I didn't get before.
13:57:06shiftplusoneah... 4.1.2
13:57:16shiftplusone* 4.0.3
13:57:46domonokyshiftplusone: if you use "" it will build you the correct compilers and binutils..
13:58:26shiftplusonenuh, I'm on gentoo so I'd rather do it the more gentoo-ish way.
13:58:42shiftplusone(the more time consuming one)
13:58:49domonokythen dont complain if you get problems.. :-)
13:59:29BigBambishiftplusone: the version you need depends on the architecture you are building for
13:59:46shiftplusoneDifference between complaining and asking if anyone is aware of such problems and how to overcome them (not up to that stage until I make sure I have the right version of everything)
13:59:50BigBambibe aware also that various patches are needed
14:00:06BigBambithe is much easier
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14:00:37BigBambishiftplusone: Sure, but if you don't use it I suspect much of the help will be related to research it yourself or use the known working method supplied
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14:01:15shiftplusoneBigBambi, the method is supplied on the same page the script is on.
14:01:30BigBambiWell, it tells you what you need
14:01:30wpyhhi, is there anyone here familiar with the ipod firmware partition format? the ipl website is down...
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14:01:51BigBambishiftplusone: What I mean is, it is up to you to get them built correctly with the required patches etc
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14:02:07shiftplusoneBigBambi, not a problem.
14:02:31SjanoIs there a way to update rockbox on my ipod? or do i just install the new one over the old? or uninstall the old then install the new one?
14:02:44domonokywpyh: just ask your question... (ipod have two partitions, first firmware, then a fat32 for the data)
14:02:55BigBambiSjano: just extract the new build over the old one
14:03:02BigBambiOr even easier, use rbutil
14:03:04wpyhyes, and I'm asking about the first partition (the fw partition)
14:03:10domonokySjano: just install rockbox again... (no need to install the bootloader again) ..
14:03:19wpyhAs I understand it, there are a few sections in the partition
14:04:16wpyhNow, ipodpatcher patches the firmware partition so that our BL gets run by the flash rom
14:04:26wpyhFor me, this dos not work with one CF card
14:04:38wpyh(I did the CF card mod)
14:04:56Sjanodomonoky: thanks
14:05:24wpyhBut the fact is, the flash rom can be flashed: Put a fresh firmware update into the fw partition, and upon reboot the ipod will flash itself
14:05:54Sjanoif i use rbuild, will it delete my old fonts themes and so on?
14:06:32BigBambiyou mean rbutil, and no
14:06:35domonokySjano: no, rbutil will just extract a new on your player, all extras will stay intact−−
14:06:45wpyhAnd if I understand it correctly, the code there (for flashing the flash rom) will be executed
14:07:12Sjanothanks again :D
14:07:17wpyhso in my theory if we can put our BL in place of the flash image, we can make the flash rom run it
14:07:28domonokywpyh: as far as i know ipod dont do flash upgrades. the firmware is on the disk, not in flash..
14:08:12wpyhWell, there is a flash rom that runs and loads the OF. This flash rom is inside a flash chip
14:08:32domonokywpyh: sure, but thats probably only a bootloader..
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14:08:55wpyhYes, I think that's a bootloader
14:09:22shiftplusonebtw... is building rockbox with CFLAGS like -O2 reasonable/beneficial/possible?
14:09:26domonokywpyh: but what do you mean with ipodpatcher didnt work on your cf disk ?
14:09:40pmac135hello everyone, what's it take to get into decoding firmware? i want to make progress on the sansa e200 v2 port
14:09:51wpyhOh, ipodpatcher works
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14:10:21wpyhbut after rebooting, the ipod won't boot neither the OF or RB
14:10:35domonokyshiftplusone: rockbox build system uses -O2 where it helps (ie some codecs and plugins)... enabling it generaly is probably not good..
14:11:11domonokywpyh: but the OF works with the CF disk ?
14:11:12shiftplusonedomonoky, ah, didn't know it has been done. thank you.
14:11:51wpyhno, the OF doesn't work with the CF
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14:14:32domonokywpyh: then it could be you CF card which misbehaves, some CF cards dont support the ATA standard fully...
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14:19:23wpyhYes, I think the CF card is the culprit here, because another CF card can boot just fine
14:19:51wpyhSo what I'm trying to find out is, how come the flasher code can run, while the OF can't? or even RB
14:20:30shiftplusoneI've been going through the dev pages and wasn't able to find anything on getting the ipod to interact with other devices (eg, computer, accessories). Any help?
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14:21:38domonokyshiftplusone: rockbox doesnt support apple accessories (noone has figured out how the serial port work on the ipod)...
14:23:29shiftplusonedomonoky, ok, I thought it would be a matter of disassembling the original firmware passing it through something like IDA and seeing how they do it.... but I am clueless when it comes to assembly.
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14:24:16domonokyshiftplusone: yes, thats a way to find out, but it isnt easy and nobody has done it .. :-)
14:24:34PaulJam_isn't there a work-in-progress patch for accessory support?
14:25:10shiftplusonedidn't ipodlinux have some ipod-to-ipod module?
14:25:46domonokyi think its known in older ipods (1st & 2nd gen) but i am not sure..
14:26:16PaulJam_shiftplusone: maybe this could be of interest for you:
14:27:36domonokythat tracker entry sounds promising.. :-) so i take back my words .. :-)
14:27:50shiftplusonePaulJam_, ah thanks a lot.
14:35:37Sjanowhere could i find the commands as database.ignore and how to delete database and so on? i've searched the wiki, but cant seem to find it again
14:38:40PaulJam_Sjano: have you looked in the manual? and the wikipage named "DataBase" should contain much useful information too.
14:47:53Sjanoi've searched databse on the wiki, found a page, but didn't contain the answers i was looking for
14:48:11Sjanoif you ment this
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14:52:35PaulJam_Sjano: so what exactly are you looking for? usage of database.ignore /-unignore and how to initialize etc. are explained in the manual.
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14:56:08Sjanohmm.... found the manual.... but can't seem to find what to files to delete to delete the database files to rebuilt it.... is it all database files in .rockbox?
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14:58:40PaulJam_the database files are the *.tcd files in the .rockbox directory, but if you are running a current build (from today!) it should be sufficient to select "initialise now" in order to rebuild the database.
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15:04:35lachlan123wow, the ipod 5.5 port has gotten 100x better since i used it last
15:05:13lachlan123big thanks to all the developers:)
15:07:20Seldaekis there any way to know what version of sansa you're buying from a store ? or is there a way to downgrade it to v1 if it's a v2?
15:07:33Seldaekbecause I don't want to buy that if I can't run rockbox on it
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15:08:19Seldaekand yet, it's the only player that's rockbox-compatible that I can find in stores:/
15:08:39Seldaekexcepted for the ipod but I won't touch that
15:08:58gevaertsSeldaek: the general rule is that if it mentions Audible support on the packaging, it's probably v2
15:08:58PaulJam_the v1 and v2 players differ in hardware, so there is no way to downgrade. the only reliable way to tell if it is v1 or v2 is by looking at the firmware version. =v1, 3.xxxx )v2
15:09:50Seldaekyeah I've seen that PaulJam_, but when buying online that's not really an option :/
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15:10:55gevaertsUnfortunately all other ways are hit-and-miss
15:10:58Seldaekgevaerts: don't see that in the specs but I don't have the packaging :/
15:11:46Seldaekany clue where I could get some other compatible player in europe ? I know about the ihp120's on ebay US but that kinda sucks with the shipping fees
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15:14:39gevaertsSeldaek: I would say that ebay (somewhere in europe) is probably your best bet, but if I were you I'd first narrow down the possibilities a bit. h120 and sansa are pretty different ;)
15:15:08Seldaekwell the h120 I trust it because I have one, but the hd seems dead
15:15:28Seldaekbut $200 is too much for that old black&white screen thingy
15:15:38gevaertsThen why don't you just get a new HD ?
15:15:51advcomp2019Seldaek, there is new ports that is being worked on that might be a good idea
15:15:57PaulJam_Seldaek: have you thought of replacing the HD? or even better: do the CF mod.
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15:16:43SeldaekCF mod? will look into that, but replacing the hd, yeah I thoguht of it, the thing is that even without that dead HD (if that's indeed what's wrong), it is kinda falling apart
15:17:18SeldaekI'm forced to use the optical out because the other out-jack is completely dead (shortcircuit/bad contact)
15:17:30Seldaekand I don't know how much time the optical will last..
15:18:02Seldaekso I don't really want to invest in a new hd + screwdrivers if it's ruined anyway
15:18:08gevaertsOK, that's a good reason ;)
15:18:21Seldaeknot sure what are the prices for those hd.. any clue ?
15:19:47Seldaekadvcomp2019: and yes the new ports is an option as well, but since there is no summary page with all the ports and their status.. I kinda gave up on that, looking in the forum isn't always clear if you don't know shit about C/ASM/chip talk :)
15:21:12Seldaekhm yeah there is kind of a summary in fact
15:21:24SeldaekI'll have a look at those players
15:22:45advcomp2019i think the cowon d2 is coming along very good.. not sure how much they have left myself tho
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15:25:30Seldaekis there two versions of it ? pricing seems weird
15:26:22Seldaekanyway they're quite expensive:/
15:26:46SeldaekI don't get why they can't make a simple old fashioned player that would be cheap
15:27:16LloreanThere are tons of cheap, basic players.
15:27:32LloreanBut you're not going to find any if you're just trying to find players that run Rockbox.
15:27:34Seldaekcolor display etc.. I just want music dammit:)
15:27:49Seldaekyeah that's the problem Llorean
15:28:05SeldaekI want decent hardware but to listen music, not watch movies and whatnot
15:28:14*moos points Seldaek the old archoses ;)
15:28:35Seldaekcouldn't find any
15:28:42LloreanAre you checking ebay?
15:29:22Seldaeka bit, I grown desperate searching through all the battery replacements and protection covers though
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15:29:37LloreanMost players Rockbox runs on, you'll have to find used.
15:30:55moosthat's why, it's maybe better to chek new ports (like previously advised) /me thinks to gigabeats
15:31:44LloreanThe problem with new ports is that it may be up to a year before the player you've bought is stable. Or never.
15:31:55LloreanFor a "simple" music player, I'd just recommend the Gigabeat F.
15:32:13LloreanWorks now, can be had at decent capacities for very fair prices, and very stable for a Rockbox target.
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15:32:20moosyup, sure there still are
15:32:49*moos is happy anyway with his beast :)
15:33:42moosthanks to jhMikeS for his crazy works (while we are here ;)
15:34:20LloreanYeah, but with the Gigabeat S you're paying more for features he's not interested in, anyway.
15:35:28moosseriously the S aren't so expensive if you spot a nice bid on ebay or such
15:35:56*moos did ;P
15:38:44Seldaekno gigabeat S on ebay atm it seems anyway
15:40:16gevaertsMost gigabeat S sellers don't sell outside the US
15:40:32Lloreanmoos: They aren't expensive, but they do cost more than the F, and he'd be paying a premium for unwanted features
15:41:43Seldaekwell I could live with video playback if it doesn't cost too much :p
15:42:11gevaertsDo you need recording ?
15:42:13moosand monster CPU, and radio and USB host... :)
15:42:23Seldaekno, recording I really don't care
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15:43:05*gevaerts asks because the gigabeat F doesn't have it (no radio either)
15:43:10moosSeldaek: and radio?
15:43:15moosyeah exactly
15:43:31Seldaekradio don't care either
15:43:47SeldaekI had all that on my H120, never used it after the first "try everything" day
15:44:07moosF indeed seems to be the better candidat then :)
15:45:11gevaertsindeed. The F seems to be built especially for you (except for that colour screen and fast cpu that are only used for video...)
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15:46:31Seldaekgot a iAudio M3 on ebay for 70euros
15:46:32gevaertsThere aren't as many of them on ebay as ipods, but if you check regularly you should be able to get one for a decent price
15:46:36Seldaeknot sure how good that is
15:47:33moosiaudios made few good things
15:48:01moosthe iaudio M5 have the better runtime
15:48:12Lloreanmoos: The M3 has good runtime too
15:48:25LloreanIt's basically an M5 without a screen.
15:48:31moosI thinks so too, since no LCD :)
15:48:31Lloreanwithout a primary screen, rather, just a remote
15:49:22moosand for me the iaudios have one of the best sounf quality
15:49:34gevaertsUnfortunately, rockbox can play video on that remote ;)
15:49:38Seldaekoh right, I missed the "no screen" part.. :p
15:49:40*moos made the hypothesis they shared the same hardwares
15:50:09mooshehe gavaerts :)
15:50:23gevaertsSeldaek: make sure the remote is included. Otherwise it's pretty useless I think
15:50:39Seldaekyeah it is, but no screen bothers me a bit
15:51:09moosthe iaudios remote are way better than the irivers one if you ask me (I have both)
15:51:21Seldaekeven if ther eis one on the remote, to browse 20gigs it's a must to have some kind of real screen
15:51:54LloreanThe remote is a real screen...
15:52:36Seldaekyup but small :)
15:53:17gevaertsLarger than the c200
15:55:04*moos go back to Roland Garros
15:55:56*gevaerts finds two gigabeat F20s on ebay
15:56:14*Llorean is using his F40 right now.
15:57:16Seldaekgevaerts: US I assume?
15:57:23gevaertsSeldaek: one US, one Ireland
15:57:40Seldaekwhy is this crap not finding it here
15:57:51gevaertsSeldaek: objects 160247270600 and 120269885630
15:57:55SeldaekI'm looking worldwide for "gigabeat F"
15:58:24gevaertsOr if you like broken ones : 260248317976 (UK)
15:58:34Seldaekno I already have that ;)
15:59:04*gevaerts usually just searches for gigabeat and wades throught the skins and batteries
15:59:51Seldaekso much for trusting ebay's search eh
16:00:08Seldaek"gigabeat 20gb" finds both though
16:00:20Seldaekbut gigabeat 20 does not..
16:00:21gevaertsPeople are really bad at putting decent model information on ebay. Try finding a 1st gen ipod mini some day
16:01:07*gevaerts decides to curb the trend towards off-topicness
16:01:34shiftplusoneHello... I was using the gentoo crossdev utils before and had trouble compiling.... I was told not to complain unless I use, I did and I am getting the exact same errors...
16:01:51shiftplusone<insert official complaining here>
16:02:21gevaertsFor which player are you compiling ?
16:02:31shiftplusoneipod 2g mini
16:02:46shiftplusone*wrong window
16:02:50*gevaerts tries
16:03:37LloreanNo patches, used SVN to check out the source?
16:03:49shiftplusoneyup, latest SVN, no patches.
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16:06:44shiftplusoneinfact I was compiling fine until I ran svn update.
16:07:09Seldaekgevaerts: well thanks for the ebay thingies, I'll try and get one of those unless you wanted to?
16:07:41gevaertsSeldaek: no. I already have an F20 and an F60, so I'm happy :)
16:08:10Seldaekno rockbox trouble?
16:09:00gevaertsNo. Both work perfectly
16:10:10gevaertsshiftplusone: current svn builds fine here
16:10:53gevaertsshiftplusone: Can you run 'svn stat' from the checkout root to see if it's really clean ?
16:10:53PaulJam_shiftplusone: you could try 'make clean' and/or run configure again.
16:12:36shiftplusoneI've been messing with the rockboy code to get it working on my greyscale... and it was working just before... I will get those files again to double-check.
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16:17:08Seldaekgevaerts: can those F's read videos ?
16:17:36gevaertsSeldaek: yes (mpeg1/2)
16:18:04Seldaekheavy movies then I guess
16:18:18Seldaeknot sure what's the compression ratio on those
16:18:52shiftplusonesure... now it builds >.> sorry to make a fuss.
16:18:55Seldaekand anyway having to reencode is annoying so I guess I won't bother
16:19:13gevaertsCompression is decent
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16:19:56LloreanYou'll pretty much always have to reencode for a portable device, since they tend to have processors too slow to decode as large an image as most videos tend to be.
16:20:42Seldaekaye I guess
16:21:41Seldaekwill have to make myself some virtualdub scripts, or are there decent apps that do it out there ?
16:22:03*gevaerts recently dowloaded 8GB of videos that are 320x240 mpeg1, so he doesn't always agree with that 'you have to reencode anyway' thing
16:22:06Seldaek(don't hesitate to tell me if I have asked enough questions for today:)
16:23:12gevaertsHave a look at for more information than you'll ever need
16:23:34Seldaekokay thanks
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16:24:43Seldaekanyway I'll stop reading things because otherwise if I lose the ebay bids I'll have to cry :)
16:25:15gevaertsThere will be others
16:25:33shiftplusoneyay... and the grayscale patch for rockboy still works =)
16:26:02Seldaekaye but I've a few 10hour long train rides coming in the next two months so I'd like to get my broken player replaced asap
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16:26:50Seldaeklast time my harddisk froze on bootup and I was forced to wait for the battery to fail (~15hrs) to shut it down
16:27:18gevaertsThere should be a reset button somewhere (in a small hole)
16:27:26Seldaekand then a few months later it just stopped booting, it seeks endlessly
16:27:42Seldaekdoing that nice *tik*tik*tik* noise
16:28:18Seldaekhm the reset button yes.. didn't try it I have to admit
16:28:35SeldaekI thought it was to reset settings and not the entire player
16:29:00Seldaekbut it's so small I couldn't push it if I was stuck in a train without a needle anyway :p
16:29:23SeldaekI'll try it now just for the sake of it
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16:35:54Seldaekokay, hd is definitely dead
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18:19:47wehn_I've just had an interesting thought: seeing as the m:robe 100 is now supported, I wonder how getting one of these and switching the 5gb micro drive for a 32Gb one would go...
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18:26:54BigBambiwehn: If you mean for a cf card, then various people have already done this with e.g. the ipod mini
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18:34:17wehnIt would probably work then, i'll try it if I find any cheap about the place.
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19:47:18alleledo I have to edit any makefiles to include bmps I added to rockbox's source for plugins?
19:48:14Nico_Pallele: no, but you need to edit SOURCES in the bitmaps dir
19:48:50alleleok, thanks
19:49:46{Nathan}Is there a way to completely turn off my Ipod with rockbox? The closest thing I've seen is just rockbox turning off the backlight for the LCD.
19:50:12Nico_P{Nathan}: press and hold PLAY
19:50:36{Nathan}Nico_P: that just reboots it, it goes straight back into rockbox that way
19:50:48PaulJam__which generation?
19:50:54Nico_Pis your ipod plugged in?
19:51:01{Nathan}4th generation, Ipod photo
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19:54:22Nico_P{Nathan}: is your ipod plugged in?
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19:54:25ChristofferYo =) Any specific reason why Ipod Nano 2nd/3rd gen is not supported and any idea when it will be?
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19:54:55{Nathan}Nico_P: no, it's not plugged in.
19:55:19Nico_PChristoffer: Apple has taken active measures to prevent running 3rd party firmware, and so far their measures are working
19:56:01Christofferok, so there is no way to get FLAC playing in a newgen Nano?
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19:57:10Christofferok, thanks for the help =)
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19:58:00alleleok thanks, I think I'm able to add in my bmp's now :D next step: figuring out how to use them :-D
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20:26:55musically_utHi. I was considering buying an iRiver and use Rockbox on it to allow me to scrobble my plays in So I wanted feedback on how good this feature is.
20:27:15musically_utThe scrobbling for iPods is terrible, and work on Zenses for Zune scrobbling has stopped.
20:27:46musically_utSo iRiver + Rockbox look like a silver way out ... if it will not be a pain doing it, that is.
20:28:10musically_utSo does anybody use scrobbling + iRiver + Rockbox?
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20:32:10Ynzuwhere can i dl 'pacroms'?
20:33:14gevaertsYnzu: From my understanding you can get them from your very own pacman machine. Nobody on this channel knows of any other way to get them
20:34:37Ynzudamn this supports flac aswell nice
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20:37:09gevaertsmusically_ut: I know that people do use it, but I'm not a scrobbler myself
20:37:32musically_utgevaerts, Doesn't look like that at all, does it? :)
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20:38:44desowinmusically_ut: rockbox+qtscrobbler for scrobbling (but it's quite self-advisterment... ;) )
20:39:08musically_utdesowin, doesn't hurt at all.
20:39:12musically_utChecking it out now.
20:39:50BigBambimusically_ut: It works fine
20:40:15BigBambimusically_ut: Make sure you get a iriver model that works with Rockbox (H100, H300, H10)
20:40:28allelefor the bitmaps in rockbox, are you unable to use numbers as the image name?
20:40:39gevaertsOr any of the other supported players...
20:40:56musically_utBigBambi, I was wondering what is the max capacity I can get there ... the max I can find is 40Gb H300, but I already have ~30Gb of music ...
20:41:20musically_utAnd looks like Qtscrobbler is OK+ for me ... I'll do anything to scrobble my tracks :)
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20:41:56BigBambimusically_ut: 40 GB H340 or H140 unles you change the hard drive
20:42:13*musically_ut whistles at the idea of changing the HDD
20:43:38gevaertsmusically_ut: have a look at, there are several supported players that are available with more than 40GB
20:43:53alleleor am I getting errors because I'm not using the 16 colors?
20:44:01musically_utgevaerts, Thanks!
20:45:07musically_utOnly two, iPod and Coown. :-\
20:45:23gevaertsAlso the gigabeat F
20:45:24BigBambiToshiba too
20:45:33musically_utBigBambi, you were saying something about changing HDD for iRiver?
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20:48:23BigBambiUp to 80 GB for the iriver (starting from a 40GB - case is different size), unless you try an adaptor
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20:49:06musically_utBigBambi, looks interesting.
20:49:15musically_utLet me compare prices for a second.
20:52:05*musically_ut is rubbing hands together .. and pinging old friends and encouraging them to try this out before him :D
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20:58:10allelehehe well I think it took me an hour, but I got my bmp's to be included when compiling rockbox :D
21:00:40fmlHello. I tried to transfer files to my Sansa c200 (with OF's USB). I had a SDHC card inserted, and the player didn't boot. After shutting it off and removing the card everything went ok. Is this known and normal/expected behaviour?
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21:04:54balleyneI'm having trouble getting my 3rd Gen iPod to boot Rockbox consistently (i.e. most of the time). It usually freezes at the Rockbox splash screen, though occasionally it actually boots. Any advice?
21:05:44BigBambiballeyne: what version of rockbox?
21:06:41balleyne13938-070720 (trying to update it now... )
21:07:01BigBambiThat is over 10 months old
21:07:10BigBambiThis problem was fixed a long long time ago
21:07:51BigBambiyou should update the bootloader too
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21:08:11balleyneok, thanks, that's great news
21:09:09BigBambiAnd next time, please update first - you are over 10 months and 3000 versions out of date - things get fixed all the time and we don't want to waste time hunting down fixed problems
21:09:56{Nathan}Is there a way to completely turn off my Ipod with rockbox? The closest thing I've seen is just rockbox turning off the backlight for the LCD. When I press and hold play, it just reboots.
21:10:11BigBambi{Nathan}: It should shut down when you do that
21:10:27BigBambiSounds like there is some other issue
21:10:31balleyneBigBambi: part of the problem is that it won't boot into the Apple firmware anymore (hence my renewed interest in getting Rockbox to run)... can I update the firmware+bootloader if I get it to boot in Rockbox, or is there some reason I need to use the Apple firmware (i.e. not overwriting files while they're in use...)?
21:10:43BigBambiballeyne: use disk mode
21:11:05BigBambiballeyne: Rockbox has no USB on ipod - you can't use it to update from
21:11:19BigBambi(or firewire - I can't remember which the third gen is)
21:13:56fml(about c200): it stpped with rockbox boot screen still visible. Is it the OF that failed?
21:13:59balleyneBigBambi: right. was reading that on the wiki. damn. Whenever I try to boot the Apple firmware, it just resets itself before getting past the Apple logo. Am trying disk mode, but without much luck...
21:14:20BigBambidisk mode is in flash, so unless you have a hardware problem should always work
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21:14:39BigBambiHowever, it can be tricky to not wobble fingers etc
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21:16:02balleyneBigBambi: ah, sweet, ok, figured it out. I started holding the buttons too late at first.
21:16:17balleyneBigBambi: Thanks. Will try to update to the latest Rockbox now!
21:16:22BigBambicool :)
21:19:54balleyneBigBambi: blech, I guess disk mode might not work with USB if the iPod came with Firewire? Don't have firewire on this laptop... I'll have to try another machine upstairs
21:20:11balleyneBigBambi: thanks again though, think I can figure this out now
21:20:18BigBambidisk mode should work with whatever connection the ipod has I would have thought
21:20:27BigBambiballeyne: good luck :)
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22:46:18archet45whats up guys
22:46:40LeoDI restarted my iPod G5 after having initialized the database...
22:46:49LeoDnow it says "data abort at 000447788 (0)"
22:46:57LeoDany idea what could be going wrong?
22:47:37archet45will atapwd.exe remove an ata password for a hitachi drive that was locked by an xbox?
22:48:59Bagderarchet45: welcome to #rockbox
22:49:11Bagderarchet45: that sounds like something to ask Hitachi about
22:49:44archet45sorry, i was searching everywhere on google and it looked like what you guys had to offer was what i needed, i see now that it isnt
22:49:48BagderLeoD: data abort is a crash, so it's a bug in Rockbox
22:49:58Bagderarchet45: it's a tool we've usde in the past
22:50:01LeoDanything I can do to workaround it? :|
22:50:16archet45anyone think the ipod 6g will be able to have rockbox on it anytime soon or ever?
22:50:29LeoDI guess I'll try reinstalling rockbox
22:50:30BagderLeoD: upgrade? fix the bug? downgrade?
22:50:42LeoDaye :)
22:50:57Bagderarchet45: not soon, possibly never
22:51:08LeoDhuh, I restarted again and now it's "committing database [1/9]"
22:52:26LeoDbut it hangs.
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22:54:39robin0800archet45, lookat this page might help
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22:55:24archet45robin0800, thats the page that sent me here :)
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22:58:52robin0800archet45, well probably no more info from rockbox then
22:59:01balleyneBigBambi: just wanted to say thanks again. Had to wait awhile to get enough battery charge to do the update, but reinstalling/upgrading the bootloader fixed the issue of the Apple firmware not booting, and the current build of Rockbox seems to be working fine. :)
22:59:57pmac135hey, whats the current word on the sansa e200 port of rockbox?
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23:00:28Bagderthe current word is ... moo
23:00:47Bagderwere you wanting something more specific perhaps? ;-)
23:01:22pmac135yeah.. i just wonder why v2 is so much different to decode than the v1 firmware?
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23:01:39Bagder1) it's not "to decode" and 2) it's a completely different player
23:02:28pmac135alright.. im just curious, i feel like the info i find is somewhat vague and distant for the v2
23:02:47Bagderjoin in and help and it might happen sooner!
23:03:06pmac135yeah, i know, thats what i was going to ask.. where to get started or at least some info?
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23:03:49Bagderthe forum thread, the v2 page at and the rockbox wiki pages
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23:05:24pmac135alright. im thinking about calling up the tech guys soon and seeing how much info i can milk out
23:05:40pmac135theyre supposed to keep hush about secret techniques, yeah?
23:05:58Bagderwhich tech guys?
23:07:15pmac135who you would call if you had say, hardware problems
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23:07:36pmac135i know a few days ago, my sansa was completely being misread by my comp for no reason, and i didnt have any options
23:07:47pmac135there are no drivers to repair, and the sansa worked fine on another comp
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23:08:05pmac135eventually it just.. started working again but making up stories could get you somewhere
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23:09:00Bagderto how their file format is created?
23:09:17BagderI doubt the tech guys you'd reach even know or would be able to find out
23:09:34pmac135no, not quite like that.. just getting the foot in the door for how they access such info
23:09:36Bagderbut perhaps I'm just negative
23:09:36*gevaerts guesses that pmac135 hopes to get recovery modes
23:09:55BagderI'm quite sure there are no recovery modes to speak of
23:10:21pmac135isnt that kind of... reverse engineering then, why would they have it in v1 and not in v2 at all?
23:10:29gevaertsThere might be some that require soldering
23:10:47Bagderpmac135: because v2 is a totally new thing and they couldn't carry those things over anyway
23:11:09Bagderand perhaps even because the modes of the v1 caused to my trouble
23:11:21Bagders/to my/so much
23:12:08pmac135what do you think they do with players they acquire after troubleshooting doesnt work?
23:12:18pmac135like.. a special program they only have?
23:12:22Bagderjtag perhaps
23:12:54pmac135mhmm, possible (i love wikipedia...)
23:13:36pmac135couldnt hurt to call them, maybe in a day or two
23:13:40pmac135i wonder if i just flat out ask..
23:14:21Ynzulol my sansa died
23:14:56Horschtthat's funny to you?
23:15:27Ynzuwhat do i do now
23:15:50Ynzufind a screwdriver and take the battery on and put it on again?
23:16:04Bagderhold power for 15 secs
23:16:22Ynzuthat worked
23:16:30Bagderbut I really don't understand why you need to shut off something that "died"
23:16:51Ynzuwell to be exact it froze
23:16:56Ynzuand had just some pixel shit
23:17:19Ynzui just dl'd daily build zip and moved it manually and it happened when i turned it on
23:17:28Ynzui guess its better use that utitity instead
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