#rockbox 2008-06-08

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02:34:01	Buschel	i don't know what's going wrong
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03:12:45	Buschel	took me 2 hours now
03:13:12	Buschel	would have been better to take a look at the arm asm documentation before
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03:17:09	saratoga2	this is for MPC?
03:17:18	Buschel	yes, the dct32-stuff
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03:55:51	phish	Does rockbox support a NTFS formatted drive?
03:56:08	Galois	no?
03:57:27	scorche\|sh	no.
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04:04:54	MU{lappy}	meh, i can't speak for other targets, but beast won't even get as far as the bootloader anyway if you reformat the storage partition
04:05:15	MU{lappy}	unless i'm just missing exactly the right parameters for mkdosfs
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04:40:39	ze	http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/05/30/japan.closet.ap/index.html
04:40:46	soap	saratoga2, fine fine response, but I think you just guaranteed another post by cool walking. ;)
04:40:58	ze	er what, this isn't the chan i was in! ignore that :p
04:42:18	Llorean	soap: I suppose if the original post were slightly different, saying "your only options for an assured ability to use Rockbox" instead of just "your only options" there wouldn't be as much room for quibbling.
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06:12:11	{Nathan}	How can I put my Ipod into sleep mode or completely off?
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06:13:10	krazykit	rockbox does not have a sleep mode. the manual covers how to turn off the ipod
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08:34:15	gibbon_	morning
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10:05:53	unpaidbill	yo
10:06:29	unpaidbill	does rockbox allow me to copy mp3s directly onto the ipod, or do i still have to use itunes?
10:07:59	fml	unpaidbill: if you can install and run rockbox on your ipod then you can forget itunes. You'll just have another drive to copy files to.
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10:08:37	unpaidbill	excellent. even if rockbox is skinned with a bunch of goatse images, it's worth using just for that reason alone.
10:08:41	unpaidbill	thanks!
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10:22:34	markun	unpaidbill: although some people dislike it exactly for this reason too
10:23:21	wpyh	markun: well, reading the Golden Quotes I think that kind of behaviour is common, no?
10:23:47	markun	wpyh: some also dislike it because of the bag-of-shit sound :)
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10:25:09	wpyh	well, some people expect RB to actually sound better than the OF
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10:45:32	SliMM	hello
10:45:43	SliMM	how do I create a font for rockbox
10:45:44	SliMM	?
10:46:11	SliMM	actually, how do I convert a TTF for use with rockbox?
10:46:34	PaulJam	maybe you find something here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreateFonts
10:46:39	markun	SliMM: you can use a tool called otf2bdf or use a font editor
10:46:55	SliMM	thank you
10:46:57	markun	but conversion from TTF doesn't always look very good (usually it doesn't)
10:47:18	SliMM	markun: and what other options do I have?
10:48:52	wpyh	SliMM: because there's no translucency / alpha blending
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10:49:09	wpyh	so the fonts will appear more like "cookie crumble fonts"
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10:49:38	SliMM	wpyh: yes, I figured that out, but how can I make fonts look better
10:49:50	SliMM	the fonts already there look quite well
10:50:35	wpyh	Try bitmap fonts
10:51:46	SliMM	do you think DejaVu has a bitmap version along with the true type?
10:53:34	SliMM	I know it's a bit off-topic, but where's the fonts folder in linux?
10:55:45	fml	What info is shown in the 'Rockbox Info' screen about the drives? "Free/Total" or ''Occupied/Total"?
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10:56:58	wpyh	SliMM: Ah, DejaVu -> that would be best drawn using AA
10:57:28	wpyh	I don't know whether there's any, but right now we don't have that support
10:57:39	SliMM	wpyh: I can't argue with that, but most fonts would
10:58:00	SliMM	wpyh: I haven't found any support for that
10:58:13	wpyh	Yes, right now we don't have support for "AA" fonts
10:58:15	wpyh	:)
10:58:18	SliMM	wpyh: and I think it's rather impossible for some targets
10:58:32	PaulJam	i think ther is a patch on the tracker
10:58:52	SliMM	PaulJam: that sounds interesting
10:59:31	wpyh	Yes, for monochrome targets it may be impossible
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10:59:49	wpyh	PaulJam: which FS task is it?
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11:00:12	SliMM	wpyh: :)) I was reffereing to slow targets, like my iPod Video
11:00:22	PaulJam	8961
11:00:27	SliMM	referring *
11:02:01	SliMM	I'll stick to aliased fonts for now, my iPod works slowly enough
11:02:07	SliMM	:P
11:02:57	wpyh	OK, thanks
11:03:07	wpyh	SliMM: is it a 5.5gen iPod or a 5gen iPod?
11:03:16	SliMM	5
11:04:23	SliMM	wpyh: this should do it: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/8877
11:07:11	wpyh	Uh, SliMM: the screenshot in that tracker item shows the '0' being ugly
11:07:19	wpyh	maybe this font is best rendered with AA after all
11:07:19	wpyh	:)
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11:07:34	wpyh	Anyway, yeah, my 5.5gen iPod also renders very slowly
11:08:26	wpyh	and I think you should use convttf for the purpose of converting the fonts if possible: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/8961
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13:29:58	Buschel	am i the only one with problems with the pc-sim (ipod video)? it starts and shows some internal error
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13:32:17	*	Buschel would like to use the sim would for some vast printf-debugging
13:34:08	PaulJam_	in which environment do you try to run the sim? i think audio in the vmware image is broken
13:34:25	Buschel	PaulJam: win2k
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13:35:01	Buschel	PaulJam: if i remove the .rockbox folder it basically starts
13:35:39	Buschel	(with some error message and without any plugins or themes of course)
13:36:40	PaulJam_	you could try this (assuming you use the vmware image): http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080606#20:10:24
13:38:44	Buschel	hmm, my problem sounds different −− the sim worked before. and it doesn't crash on trying to playback a track −− it even doesn't load and start
13:39:18	PaulJam_	ok, i thought maybe voice tries to playbac at startup
13:41:13	Buschel	weird... hopefully i can track it down...
13:42:22	*	Buschel wants to try to insert/adapt an existing fast dct asm-optimized into mpc
13:42:39	Buschel	but for this i need to check what the C-version of this fast dct does
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13:43:23	domonoky	Buschel: and whats the error ?
13:43:24	Buschel	yesterday i started to translate mpc's dct into asm. hard work and the function will get quite large
13:43:36	PaulJam_	Buschel: what source revision do you use?
13:44:00	Buschel	PaulJam: r17703
13:44:33	Buschel	domonoky: i am not on my dev-pc right now. so, i cannot say exactly. i just thought it might be known...
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13:47:17	Buschel	is the location of the .rockbox-folder for sim the same? or was this changed?
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13:48:38	domonoky	Buschel: did you do a "make install" after building the sim ?
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13:49:23	Buschel	domonoky: no, only "make zip", unzip in the standard folder and copy the .exe
13:49:39	Buschel	domonoky: good hint, i'll try this next time i'm on my dev-pc
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13:51:28	domonoky	then you probably made something wrong there :-) standard way is to run "make && make install && ./rockboxui −−background" :-)
13:52:00	Buschel	well, i am not perfect ;-)
13:52:07	Buschel	thanks for your help
13:56:04	shiftplusone	what version of gcc and binutils am I supposed to have to compile properly?
13:56:28	shiftplusone	I am getting some compile errors I didn't get before.
13:57:06	shiftplusone	ah... 4.1.2
13:57:16	shiftplusone	* 4.0.3
13:57:46	domonoky	shiftplusone: if you use "rockboxdev.sh" it will build you the correct compilers and binutils..
13:58:26	shiftplusone	nuh, I'm on gentoo so I'd rather do it the more gentoo-ish way.
13:58:42	shiftplusone	(the more time consuming one)
13:58:49	domonoky	then dont complain if you get problems.. :-)
13:59:29	BigBambi	shiftplusone: the version you need depends on the architecture you are building for
13:59:46	shiftplusone	Difference between complaining and asking if anyone is aware of such problems and how to overcome them (not up to that stage until I make sure I have the right version of everything)
13:59:50	BigBambi	be aware also that various patches are needed
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14:00:06	BigBambi	the rockboxdev.sh is much easier
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14:00:37	BigBambi	shiftplusone: Sure, but if you don't use it I suspect much of the help will be related to research it yourself or use the known working method supplied
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14:01:15	shiftplusone	BigBambi, the method is supplied on the same page the script is on.
14:01:30	BigBambi	Well, it tells you what you need
14:01:30	wpyh	hi, is there anyone here familiar with the ipod firmware partition format? the ipl website is down...
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14:01:51	BigBambi	shiftplusone: What I mean is, it is up to you to get them built correctly with the required patches etc
14:01:53	Sjano	hello
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14:02:07	shiftplusone	BigBambi, not a problem.
14:02:31	Sjano	Is there a way to update rockbox on my ipod? or do i just install the new one over the old? or uninstall the old then install the new one?
14:02:44	domonoky	wpyh: just ask your question... (ipod have two partitions, first firmware, then a fat32 for the data)
14:02:55	BigBambi	Sjano: just extract the new build over the old one
14:03:02	BigBambi	Or even easier, use rbutil
14:03:04	wpyh	yes, and I'm asking about the first partition (the fw partition)
14:03:10	domonoky	Sjano: just install rockbox again... (no need to install the bootloader again) ..
14:03:19	wpyh	As I understand it, there are a few sections in the partition
14:04:16	wpyh	Now, ipodpatcher patches the firmware partition so that our BL gets run by the flash rom
14:04:26	wpyh	For me, this dos not work with one CF card
14:04:38	wpyh	(I did the CF card mod)
14:04:56	Sjano	domonoky: thanks
14:05:24	wpyh	But the fact is, the flash rom can be flashed: Put a fresh firmware update into the fw partition, and upon reboot the ipod will flash itself
14:05:54	Sjano	if i use rbuild, will it delete my old fonts themes and so on?
14:06:32	BigBambi	you mean rbutil, and no
14:06:35	domonoky	Sjano: no, rbutil will just extract a new rockbox.zip on your player, all extras will stay intact−−
14:06:45	wpyh	And if I understand it correctly, the code there (for flashing the flash rom) will be executed
14:07:12	Sjano	thanks again :D
14:07:17	wpyh	so in my theory if we can put our BL in place of the flash image, we can make the flash rom run it
14:07:28	domonoky	wpyh: as far as i know ipod dont do flash upgrades. the firmware is on the disk, not in flash..
14:08:12	wpyh	Well, there is a flash rom that runs and loads the OF. This flash rom is inside a flash chip
14:08:32	domonoky	wpyh: sure, but thats probably only a bootloader..
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14:08:55	wpyh	Yes, I think that's a bootloader
14:09:22	shiftplusone	btw... is building rockbox with CFLAGS like -O2 reasonable/beneficial/possible?
14:09:26	domonoky	wpyh: but what do you mean with ipodpatcher didnt work on your cf disk ?
14:09:40	pmac135	hello everyone, what's it take to get into decoding firmware? i want to make progress on the sansa e200 v2 port
14:09:51	wpyh	Oh, ipodpatcher works
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14:10:21	wpyh	but after rebooting, the ipod won't boot neither the OF or RB
14:10:35	domonoky	shiftplusone: rockbox build system uses -O2 where it helps (ie some codecs and plugins)... enabling it generaly is probably not good..
14:11:11	domonoky	wpyh: but the OF works with the CF disk ?
14:11:12	shiftplusone	domonoky, ah, didn't know it has been done. thank you.
14:11:51	wpyh	no, the OF doesn't work with the CF
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14:14:32	domonoky	wpyh: then it could be you CF card which misbehaves, some CF cards dont support the ATA standard fully...
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14:19:23	wpyh	Yes, I think the CF card is the culprit here, because another CF card can boot just fine
14:19:51	wpyh	So what I'm trying to find out is, how come the flasher code can run, while the OF can't? or even RB
14:20:30	shiftplusone	I've been going through the dev pages and wasn't able to find anything on getting the ipod to interact with other devices (eg, computer, accessories). Any help?
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14:21:38	domonoky	shiftplusone: rockbox doesnt support apple accessories (noone has figured out how the serial port work on the ipod)...
14:23:29	shiftplusone	domonoky, ok, I thought it would be a matter of disassembling the original firmware passing it through something like IDA and seeing how they do it.... but I am clueless when it comes to assembly.
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14:24:16	domonoky	shiftplusone: yes, thats a way to find out, but it isnt easy and nobody has done it .. :-)
14:24:34	PaulJam_	isn't there a work-in-progress patch for accessory support?
14:25:10	shiftplusone	didn't ipodlinux have some ipod-to-ipod module?
14:25:46	domonoky	i think its known in older ipods (1st & 2nd gen) but i am not sure..
14:26:16	PaulJam_	shiftplusone: maybe this could be of interest for you: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8624
14:27:36	domonoky	that tracker entry sounds promising.. :-) so i take back my words .. :-)
14:27:50	shiftplusone	PaulJam_, ah thanks a lot.
14:35:37	Sjano	where could i find the commands as database.ignore and how to delete database and so on? i've searched the wiki, but cant seem to find it again
14:38:40	PaulJam_	Sjano: have you looked in the manual? and the wikipage named "DataBase" should contain much useful information too.
14:47:53	Sjano	i've searched databse on the wiki, found a page, but didn't contain the answers i was looking for
14:48:11	Sjano	if you ment this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataBase
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14:52:35	PaulJam_	Sjano: so what exactly are you looking for? usage of database.ignore /-unignore and how to initialize etc. are explained in the manual.
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14:56:08	Sjano	hmm.... found the manual.... but can't seem to find what to files to delete to delete the database files to rebuilt it.... is it all database files in .rockbox?
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14:58:40	PaulJam_	the database files are the *.tcd files in the .rockbox directory, but if you are running a current build (from today!) it should be sufficient to select "initialise now" in order to rebuild the database.
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15:04:35	lachlan123	wow, the ipod 5.5 port has gotten 100x better since i used it last
15:05:13	lachlan123	big thanks to all the developers:)
15:07:20	Seldaek	is there any way to know what version of sansa you're buying from a store ? or is there a way to downgrade it to v1 if it's a v2?
15:07:33	Seldaek	because I don't want to buy that if I can't run rockbox on it
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15:08:19	Seldaek	and yet, it's the only player that's rockbox-compatible that I can find in stores:/
15:08:39	Seldaek	excepted for the ipod but I won't touch that
15:08:58	gevaerts	Seldaek: the general rule is that if it mentions Audible support on the packaging, it's probably v2
15:08:58	PaulJam_	the v1 and v2 players differ in hardware, so there is no way to downgrade. the only reliable way to tell if it is v1 or v2 is by looking at the firmware version. 1.xxx =v1, 3.xxxx )v2
15:09:50	Seldaek	yeah I've seen that PaulJam_, but when buying online that's not really an option :/
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15:10:55	gevaerts	Unfortunately all other ways are hit-and-miss
15:10:58	Seldaek	gevaerts: don't see that in the specs but I don't have the packaging :/
15:11:46	Seldaek	any clue where I could get some other compatible player in europe ? I know about the ihp120's on ebay US but that kinda sucks with the shipping fees
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15:14:39	gevaerts	Seldaek: I would say that ebay (somewhere in europe) is probably your best bet, but if I were you I'd first narrow down the possibilities a bit. h120 and sansa are pretty different ;)
15:15:08	Seldaek	well the h120 I trust it because I have one, but the hd seems dead
15:15:28	Seldaek	but $200 is too much for that old black&white screen thingy
15:15:38	gevaerts	Then why don't you just get a new HD ?
15:15:51	advcomp2019	Seldaek, there is new ports that is being worked on that might be a good idea
15:15:57	PaulJam_	Seldaek: have you thought of replacing the HD? or even better: do the CF mod.
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15:16:43	Seldaek	CF mod? will look into that, but replacing the hd, yeah I thoguht of it, the thing is that even without that dead HD (if that's indeed what's wrong), it is kinda falling apart
15:17:18	Seldaek	I'm forced to use the optical out because the other out-jack is completely dead (shortcircuit/bad contact)
15:17:30	Seldaek	and I don't know how much time the optical will last..
15:18:02	Seldaek	so I don't really want to invest in a new hd + screwdrivers if it's ruined anyway
15:18:08	gevaerts	OK, that's a good reason ;)
15:18:21	Seldaek	not sure what are the prices for those hd.. any clue ?
15:19:47	Seldaek	advcomp2019: and yes the new ports is an option as well, but since there is no summary page with all the ports and their status.. I kinda gave up on that, looking in the forum isn't always clear if you don't know shit about C/ASM/chip talk :)
15:21:12	Seldaek	hm yeah there is kind of a summary in fact
15:21:24	Seldaek	I'll have a look at those players
15:22:45	advcomp2019	i think the cowon d2 is coming along very good.. not sure how much they have left myself tho
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15:25:30	Seldaek	is there two versions of it ? pricing seems weird
15:26:22	Seldaek	anyway they're quite expensive:/
15:26:46	Seldaek	I don't get why they can't make a simple old fashioned player that would be cheap
15:27:16	Llorean	There are tons of cheap, basic players.
15:27:32	Llorean	But you're not going to find any if you're just trying to find players that run Rockbox.
15:27:34	Seldaek	color display etc.. I just want music dammit:)
15:27:49	Seldaek	yeah that's the problem Llorean
15:28:05	Seldaek	I want decent hardware but to listen music, not watch movies and whatnot
15:28:14	*	moos points Seldaek the old archoses ;)
15:28:35	Seldaek	couldn't find any
15:28:42	Llorean	Are you checking ebay?
15:29:22	Seldaek	a bit, I grown desperate searching through all the battery replacements and protection covers though
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15:29:37	Llorean	Most players Rockbox runs on, you'll have to find used.
15:30:55	moos	that's why, it's maybe better to chek new ports (like previously advised) /me thinks to gigabeats
15:31:44	Llorean	The problem with new ports is that it may be up to a year before the player you've bought is stable. Or never.
15:31:55	Llorean	For a "simple" music player, I'd just recommend the Gigabeat F.
15:32:13	Llorean	Works now, can be had at decent capacities for very fair prices, and very stable for a Rockbox target.
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15:32:20	moos	yup, sure there still are
15:32:49	*	moos is happy anyway with his beast :)
15:33:42	moos	thanks to jhMikeS for his crazy works (while we are here ;)
15:34:20	Llorean	Yeah, but with the Gigabeat S you're paying more for features he's not interested in, anyway.
15:35:28	moos	seriously the S aren't so expensive if you spot a nice bid on ebay or such
15:35:56	*	moos did ;P
15:38:44	Seldaek	no gigabeat S on ebay atm it seems anyway
15:40:16	gevaerts	Most gigabeat S sellers don't sell outside the US
15:40:32	Llorean	moos: They aren't expensive, but they do cost more than the F, and he'd be paying a premium for unwanted features
15:41:43	Seldaek	well I could live with video playback if it doesn't cost too much :p
15:42:11	gevaerts	Do you need recording ?
15:42:13	moos	and monster CPU, and radio and USB host... :)
15:42:23	Seldaek	no, recording I really don't care
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15:43:05	*	gevaerts asks because the gigabeat F doesn't have it (no radio either)
15:43:10	moos	Seldaek: and radio?
15:43:15	moos	yeah exactly
15:43:31	Seldaek	radio don't care either
15:43:47	Seldaek	I had all that on my H120, never used it after the first "try everything" day
15:44:07	moos	F indeed seems to be the better candidat then :)
15:45:11	gevaerts	indeed. The F seems to be built especially for you (except for that colour screen and fast cpu that are only used for video...)
15:45:21	moos	:-)
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15:46:31	Seldaek	got a iAudio M3 on ebay for 70euros
15:46:32	gevaerts	There aren't as many of them on ebay as ipods, but if you check regularly you should be able to get one for a decent price
15:46:36	Seldaek	not sure how good that is
15:47:33	moos	iaudios made few good things
15:48:01	moos	the iaudio M5 have the better runtime
15:48:12	Llorean	moos: The M3 has good runtime too
15:48:25	Llorean	It's basically an M5 without a screen.
15:48:31	moos	I thinks so too, since no LCD :)
15:48:31	Llorean	without a primary screen, rather, just a remote
15:49:22	moos	and for me the iaudios have one of the best sounf quality
15:49:26	moos	sound
15:49:34	gevaerts	Unfortunately, rockbox can play video on that remote ;)
15:49:38	Seldaek	oh right, I missed the "no screen" part.. :p
15:49:40	*	moos made the hypothesis they shared the same hardwares
15:50:09	moos	hehe gavaerts :)
15:50:23	gevaerts	Seldaek: make sure the remote is included. Otherwise it's pretty useless I think
15:50:39	Seldaek	yeah it is, but no screen bothers me a bit
15:51:09	moos	the iaudios remote are way better than the irivers one if you ask me (I have both)
15:51:21	Seldaek	even if ther eis one on the remote, to browse 20gigs it's a must to have some kind of real screen
15:51:54	Llorean	The remote is a real screen...
15:52:36	Seldaek	yup but small :)
15:53:14	moos	128x96
15:53:17	gevaerts	Larger than the c200
15:55:04	*	moos go back to Roland Garros
15:55:56	*	gevaerts finds two gigabeat F20s on ebay
15:56:14	*	Llorean is using his F40 right now.
15:57:16	Seldaek	gevaerts: US I assume?
15:57:23	gevaerts	Seldaek: one US, one Ireland
15:57:31	Seldaek	really?
15:57:40	Seldaek	why is this crap not finding it here
15:57:51	gevaerts	Seldaek: objects 160247270600 and 120269885630
15:57:55	Seldaek	I'm looking worldwide for "gigabeat F"
15:58:09	Seldaek	thanks
15:58:24	gevaerts	Or if you like broken ones : 260248317976 (UK)
15:58:34	Seldaek	no I already have that ;)
15:59:04	*	gevaerts usually just searches for gigabeat and wades throught the skins and batteries
15:59:51	Seldaek	so much for trusting ebay's search eh
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16:00:08	Seldaek	"gigabeat 20gb" finds both though
16:00:20	Seldaek	but gigabeat 20 does not..
16:00:21	gevaerts	People are really bad at putting decent model information on ebay. Try finding a 1st gen ipod mini some day
16:01:07	*	gevaerts decides to curb the trend towards off-topicness
16:01:34	shiftplusone	Hello... I was using the gentoo crossdev utils before and had trouble compiling.... I was told not to complain unless I use rockboxdev.sh, I did and I am getting the exact same errors... http://pastebin.com/m3eab4ed8
16:01:51	shiftplusone	<insert official complaining here>
16:02:21	gevaerts	For which player are you compiling ?
16:02:29	shiftplusone	26
16:02:31	shiftplusone	ipod 2g mini
16:02:41	shiftplusone	make
16:02:46	shiftplusone	*wrong window
16:02:50	*	gevaerts tries
16:03:37	Llorean	No patches, used SVN to check out the source?
16:03:49	shiftplusone	yup, latest SVN, no patches.
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16:06:44	shiftplusone	infact I was compiling fine until I ran svn update.
16:07:09	Seldaek	gevaerts: well thanks for the ebay thingies, I'll try and get one of those unless you wanted to?
16:07:41	gevaerts	Seldaek: no. I already have an F20 and an F60, so I'm happy :)
16:08:10	Seldaek	no rockbox trouble?
16:09:00	gevaerts	No. Both work perfectly
16:10:10	gevaerts	shiftplusone: current svn builds fine here
16:10:53	gevaerts	shiftplusone: Can you run 'svn stat' from the checkout root to see if it's really clean ?
16:10:53	PaulJam_	shiftplusone: you could try 'make clean' and/or run configure again.
16:12:36	shiftplusone	I've been messing with the rockboy code to get it working on my greyscale... and it was working just before... I will get those files again to double-check.
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16:17:08	Seldaek	gevaerts: can those F's read videos ?
16:17:36	gevaerts	Seldaek: yes (mpeg1/2)
16:18:04	Seldaek	heavy movies then I guess
16:18:18	Seldaek	not sure what's the compression ratio on those
16:18:52	shiftplusone	sure... now it builds >.> sorry to make a fuss.
16:18:55	Seldaek	and anyway having to reencode is annoying so I guess I won't bother
16:19:13	gevaerts	Compression is decent
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16:19:56	Llorean	You'll pretty much always have to reencode for a portable device, since they tend to have processors too slow to decode as large an image as most videos tend to be.
16:20:42	Seldaek	aye I guess
16:21:41	Seldaek	will have to make myself some virtualdub scripts, or are there decent apps that do it out there ?
16:22:03	*	gevaerts recently dowloaded 8GB of videos that are 320x240 mpeg1, so he doesn't always agree with that 'you have to reencode anyway' thing
16:22:06	Seldaek	(don't hesitate to tell me if I have asked enough questions for today:)
16:23:12	gevaerts	Have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer for more information than you'll ever need
16:23:34	Seldaek	okay thanks
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16:24:43	Seldaek	anyway I'll stop reading things because otherwise if I lose the ebay bids I'll have to cry :)
16:25:15	gevaerts	There will be others
16:25:33	shiftplusone	yay... and the grayscale patch for rockboy still works =)
16:26:02	Seldaek	aye but I've a few 10hour long train rides coming in the next two months so I'd like to get my broken player replaced asap
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16:26:50	Seldaek	last time my harddisk froze on bootup and I was forced to wait for the battery to fail (~15hrs) to shut it down
16:27:18	gevaerts	There should be a reset button somewhere (in a small hole)
16:27:26	Seldaek	and then a few months later it just stopped booting, it seeks endlessly
16:27:42	Seldaek	doing that nice tiktiktik noise
16:28:18	Seldaek	hm the reset button yes.. didn't try it I have to admit
16:28:35	Seldaek	I thought it was to reset settings and not the entire player
16:29:00	Seldaek	but it's so small I couldn't push it if I was stuck in a train without a needle anyway :p
16:29:23	Seldaek	I'll try it now just for the sake of it
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16:35:54	Seldaek	okay, hd is definitely dead
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18:19:47	wehn_	I've just had an interesting thought: seeing as the m:robe 100 is now supported, I wonder how getting one of these and switching the 5gb micro drive for a 32Gb one would go...
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18:26:54	BigBambi	wehn: If you mean for a cf card, then various people have already done this with e.g. the ipod mini
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19:47:18	allele	do I have to edit any makefiles to include bmps I added to rockbox's source for plugins?
19:48:14	Nico_P	allele: no, but you need to edit SOURCES in the bitmaps dir
19:48:50	allele	ok, thanks
19:49:46	{Nathan}	Is there a way to completely turn off my Ipod with rockbox? The closest thing I've seen is just rockbox turning off the backlight for the LCD.
19:50:12	Nico_P	{Nathan}: press and hold PLAY
19:50:36	{Nathan}	Nico_P: that just reboots it, it goes straight back into rockbox that way
19:50:48	PaulJam__	which generation?
19:50:54	Nico_P	is your ipod plugged in?
19:51:01	{Nathan}	4th generation, Ipod photo
19:51:02	{Nathan}	20GiB
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19:54:22	Nico_P	{Nathan}: is your ipod plugged in?
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19:54:25	Christoffer	Yo =) Any specific reason why Ipod Nano 2nd/3rd gen is not supported and any idea when it will be?
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19:54:55	{Nathan}	Nico_P: no, it's not plugged in.
19:55:19	Nico_P	Christoffer: Apple has taken active measures to prevent running 3rd party firmware, and so far their measures are working
19:56:01	Christoffer	ok, so there is no way to get FLAC playing in a newgen Nano?
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19:56:48	Nico_P	no
19:57:10	Christoffer	ok, thanks for the help =)
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19:58:00	allele	ok thanks, I think I'm able to add in my bmp's now :D next step: figuring out how to use them :-D
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20:26:55	musically_ut	Hi. I was considering buying an iRiver and use Rockbox on it to allow me to scrobble my plays in Last.fm. So I wanted feedback on how good this feature is.
20:27:15	musically_ut	The scrobbling for iPods is terrible, and work on Zenses for Zune scrobbling has stopped.
20:27:46	musically_ut	So iRiver + Rockbox look like a silver way out ... if it will not be a pain doing it, that is.
20:28:10	musically_ut	So does anybody use last.fm scrobbling + iRiver + Rockbox?
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20:32:10	Ynzu	where can i dl 'pacroms'?
20:33:14	gevaerts	Ynzu: From my understanding you can get them from your very own pacman machine. Nobody on this channel knows of any other way to get them
20:33:50	Ynzu	ah
20:34:37	Ynzu	damn this supports flac aswell nice
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20:37:09	gevaerts	musically_ut: I know that people do use it, but I'm not a scrobbler myself
20:37:32	musically_ut	gevaerts, Doesn't look like that at all, does it? :)
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20:38:44	desowin	musically_ut: rockbox+qtscrobbler for scrobbling (but it's quite self-advisterment... ;) )
20:39:08	musically_ut	desowin, doesn't hurt at all.
20:39:12	musically_ut	Checking it out now.
20:39:50	BigBambi	musically_ut: It works fine
20:40:15	BigBambi	musically_ut: Make sure you get a iriver model that works with Rockbox (H100, H300, H10)
20:40:28	allele	for the bitmaps in rockbox, are you unable to use numbers as the image name?
20:40:39	gevaerts	Or any of the other supported players...
20:40:56	musically_ut	BigBambi, I was wondering what is the max capacity I can get there ... the max I can find is 40Gb H300, but I already have ~30Gb of music ...
20:41:20	musically_ut	And looks like Qtscrobbler is OK+ for me ... I'll do anything to scrobble my tracks :)
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20:41:56	BigBambi	musically_ut: 40 GB H340 or H140 unles you change the hard drive
20:42:13	*	musically_ut whistles at the idea of changing the HDD
20:43:38	gevaerts	musically_ut: have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide, there are several supported players that are available with more than 40GB
20:43:53	allele	or am I getting errors because I'm not using the 16 colors?
20:44:01	musically_ut	gevaerts, Thanks!
20:45:07	musically_ut	Only two, iPod and Coown. :-\
20:45:15	musically_ut	*Cowon
20:45:23	gevaerts	Also the gigabeat F
20:45:24	BigBambi	Toshiba too
20:45:33	musically_ut	BigBambi, you were saying something about changing HDD for iRiver?
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20:47:32	BigBambi	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement
20:48:23	BigBambi	Up to 80 GB for the iriver (starting from a 40GB - case is different size), unless you try an adaptor
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20:49:06	musically_ut	BigBambi, looks interesting.
20:49:15	musically_ut	Let me compare prices for a second.
20:50:24	BigBambi	musically_ut: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ZIFToATAAdapter
20:52:05	*	musically_ut is rubbing hands together .. and pinging old friends and encouraging them to try this out before him :D
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20:58:10	allele	hehe well I think it took me an hour, but I got my bmp's to be included when compiling rockbox :D
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21:00:40	fml	Hello. I tried to transfer files to my Sansa c200 (with OF's USB). I had a SDHC card inserted, and the player didn't boot. After shutting it off and removing the card everything went ok. Is this known and normal/expected behaviour?
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21:04:54	balleyne	I'm having trouble getting my 3rd Gen iPod to boot Rockbox consistently (i.e. most of the time). It usually freezes at the Rockbox splash screen, though occasionally it actually boots. Any advice?
21:05:44	BigBambi	balleyne: what version of rockbox?
21:06:41	balleyne	13938-070720 (trying to update it now... )
21:06:47	BigBambi	....
21:07:01	BigBambi	That is over 10 months old
21:07:10	BigBambi	This problem was fixed a long long time ago
21:07:51	BigBambi	you should update the bootloader too
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21:08:11	balleyne	ok, thanks, that's great news
21:09:09	BigBambi	And next time, please update first - you are over 10 months and 3000 versions out of date - things get fixed all the time and we don't want to waste time hunting down fixed problems
21:09:56	{Nathan}	Is there a way to completely turn off my Ipod with rockbox? The closest thing I've seen is just rockbox turning off the backlight for the LCD. When I press and hold play, it just reboots.
21:10:11	BigBambi	{Nathan}: It should shut down when you do that
21:10:27	BigBambi	Sounds like there is some other issue
21:10:31	balleyne	BigBambi: part of the problem is that it won't boot into the Apple firmware anymore (hence my renewed interest in getting Rockbox to run)... can I update the firmware+bootloader if I get it to boot in Rockbox, or is there some reason I need to use the Apple firmware (i.e. not overwriting files while they're in use...)?
21:10:43	BigBambi	balleyne: use disk mode
21:11:05	BigBambi	balleyne: Rockbox has no USB on ipod - you can't use it to update from
21:11:19	BigBambi	(or firewire - I can't remember which the third gen is)
21:13:56	fml	(about c200): it stpped with rockbox boot screen still visible. Is it the OF that failed?
21:13:59	balleyne	BigBambi: right. was reading that on the wiki. damn. Whenever I try to boot the Apple firmware, it just resets itself before getting past the Apple logo. Am trying disk mode, but without much luck...
21:14:20	BigBambi	disk mode is in flash, so unless you have a hardware problem should always work
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21:14:39	BigBambi	However, it can be tricky to not wobble fingers etc
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21:16:02	balleyne	BigBambi: ah, sweet, ok, figured it out. I started holding the buttons too late at first.
21:16:17	balleyne	BigBambi: Thanks. Will try to update to the latest Rockbox now!
21:16:22	BigBambi	cool :)
21:19:54	balleyne	BigBambi: blech, I guess disk mode might not work with USB if the iPod came with Firewire? Don't have firewire on this laptop... I'll have to try another machine upstairs
21:20:11	balleyne	BigBambi: thanks again though, think I can figure this out now
21:20:18	BigBambi	disk mode should work with whatever connection the ipod has I would have thought
21:20:27	BigBambi	balleyne: good luck :)
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22:45:57	LeoD	hey
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22:46:18	archet45	whats up guys
22:46:40	LeoD	I restarted my iPod G5 after having initialized the database...
22:46:49	LeoD	now it says "data abort at 000447788 (0)"
22:46:57	LeoD	any idea what could be going wrong?
22:47:37	archet45	will atapwd.exe remove an ata password for a hitachi drive that was locked by an xbox?
22:48:59	Bagder	archet45: welcome to #rockbox
22:49:11	Bagder	archet45: that sounds like something to ask Hitachi about
22:49:44	archet45	sorry, i was searching everywhere on google and it looked like what you guys had to offer was what i needed, i see now that it isnt
22:49:48	Bagder	LeoD: data abort is a crash, so it's a bug in Rockbox
22:49:56	LeoD	ok
22:49:58	Bagder	archet45: it's a tool we've usde in the past
22:50:01	LeoD	anything I can do to workaround it? :\|
22:50:16	archet45	anyone think the ipod 6g will be able to have rockbox on it anytime soon or ever?
22:50:29	LeoD	I guess I'll try reinstalling rockbox
22:50:30	Bagder	LeoD: upgrade? fix the bug? downgrade?
22:50:42	LeoD	aye :)
22:50:57	Bagder	archet45: not soon, possibly never
22:51:08	LeoD	huh, I restarted again and now it's "committing database [1/9]"
22:52:26	LeoD	but it hangs.
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22:54:39	robin0800	archet45, lookat this page http://www.rockbox.org/lock.html might help
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22:55:24	archet45	robin0800, thats the page that sent me here :)
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22:58:52	robin0800	archet45, well probably no more info from rockbox then
22:59:01	balleyne	BigBambi: just wanted to say thanks again. Had to wait awhile to get enough battery charge to do the update, but reinstalling/upgrading the bootloader fixed the issue of the Apple firmware not booting, and the current build of Rockbox seems to be working fine. :)
22:59:57	pmac135	hey, whats the current word on the sansa e200 port of rockbox?
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23:00:28	Bagder	the current word is ... moo
23:00:47	Bagder	were you wanting something more specific perhaps? ;-)
23:00:52	pmac135	v_v
23:01:22	pmac135	yeah.. i just wonder why v2 is so much different to decode than the v1 firmware?
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23:01:39	Bagder	1) it's not "to decode" and 2) it's a completely different player
23:02:28	pmac135	alright.. im just curious, i feel like the info i find is somewhat vague and distant for the v2
23:02:47	Bagder	join in and help and it might happen sooner!
23:03:06	pmac135	yeah, i know, thats what i was going to ask.. where to get started or at least some info?
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23:03:49	Bagder	the forum thread, the v2 page at daniel.haxx.se and the rockbox wiki pages
23:04:09	Bagder	imho
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23:05:24	pmac135	alright. im thinking about calling up the tech guys soon and seeing how much info i can milk out
23:05:40	pmac135	theyre supposed to keep hush about secret techniques, yeah?
23:05:58	Bagder	which tech guys?
23:07:15	pmac135	who you would call if you had say, hardware problems
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23:07:36	pmac135	i know a few days ago, my sansa was completely being misread by my comp for no reason, and i didnt have any options
23:07:47	pmac135	there are no drivers to repair, and the sansa worked fine on another comp
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23:08:05	pmac135	eventually it just.. started working again but making up stories could get you somewhere
23:08:12		Part LeoD
23:09:00	Bagder	to how their file format is created?
23:09:17	Bagder	I doubt the tech guys you'd reach even know or would be able to find out
23:09:34	pmac135	no, not quite like that.. just getting the foot in the door for how they access such info
23:09:36	Bagder	but perhaps I'm just negative
23:09:36	*	gevaerts guesses that pmac135 hopes to get recovery modes
23:09:40	pmac135	exactly..
23:09:55	Bagder	I'm quite sure there are no recovery modes to speak of
23:10:21	pmac135	isnt that kind of... reverse engineering then, why would they have it in v1 and not in v2 at all?
23:10:29	gevaerts	There might be some that require soldering
23:10:47	Bagder	pmac135: because v2 is a totally new thing and they couldn't carry those things over anyway
23:11:09	Bagder	and perhaps even because the modes of the v1 caused to my trouble
23:11:21	Bagder	s/to my/so much
23:12:08	pmac135	what do you think they do with players they acquire after troubleshooting doesnt work?
23:12:18	pmac135	like.. a special program they only have?
23:12:22	Bagder	jtag perhaps
23:12:54	pmac135	mhmm, possible (i love wikipedia...)
23:13:36	pmac135	couldnt hurt to call them, maybe in a day or two
23:13:40	pmac135	i wonder if i just flat out ask..
23:13:42	pmac135	haha.
23:14:14	Bagder	:-)
23:14:21	Ynzu	lol my sansa died
23:14:56	Horscht	that's funny to you?
23:15:07	Ynzu	yep
23:15:27	Ynzu	what do i do now
23:15:50	Ynzu	find a screwdriver and take the battery on and put it on again?
23:15:55	Ynzu	*off
23:15:58	Bagder	no
23:16:04	Bagder	hold power for 15 secs
23:16:20	Ynzu	oh
23:16:22	Ynzu	that worked
23:16:24	Ynzu	nice
23:16:30	Bagder	but I really don't understand why you need to shut off something that "died"
23:16:42	pmac135	undead
23:16:51	Ynzu	well to be exact it froze
23:16:56	Ynzu	and had just some pixel shit
23:17:19	Ynzu	i just dl'd daily build zip and moved it manually and it happened when i turned it on
23:17:28	Ynzu	i guess its better use that utitity instead
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