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#rockbox log for 2008-06-09

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01:40:35saratogaBuschel: (for the logs) I played around with the SSO feature in libmad (on linux), and it still gives > 16 bit resolution so I see no reason not to use it
01:41:04saratogaoutput is actually indistinquishable from foobar's FP32 output once both are dithered down to 16 bit
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02:53:37{Nathan}How can I force rockbox to rebuild my database? I added a *bunch* of music and apple's OS sees it, but not rockbox
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03:09:03saratogai think you just reinitialize it
03:10:26{Nathan}I've tried rebooting it
03:10:28{Nathan}and nothing
03:10:31{Nathan}multiple times
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08:19:52markunhi Fregger
08:20:06Freggerhows it going markun?
08:20:40Freggerso!.... this is very lively. anywhoo. is there ANY possible bad situations about RockBox? i understand you can just do an ipod restore through itunes to get it back to normal, but is there there absolutely ANY possibilites something goes wrong permanentally
08:21:00Freggerso far i am impressed, still looking through your site with everything it can do :)
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08:21:50markunThere are many people downloading rockbox for their ipods each month and so far non of them have permanently broken their player
08:22:45markunFregger: here are the number for april for example:
08:23:24Freggerawesome. and to my understanding i can play video on my first gen nano? i heard this in some forum, but i am still searching for proof
08:23:59markunyes, you can:
08:24:05Freggerawesome. thanks
08:24:12Buschelsaratoga: (for the logs) then we should port the synthfull + dct32 asm to SSO for libmad. did you try to configre libmad to SSO and disabling the asm-optimization for synthfull and dct32?
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08:26:40Buschelsaratoga: to have an impression of the resulting speed you could configure to SSO, keep dct32 in asm and change all the synth-stuff to C at a first step. i have in mind that 32=32x32 multiplies in C (-O1) were even faster than 64=32x32 in asm on PP5022 (when testing with mpc)
08:27:03amiconnDon't forget coldfire
08:27:38Buschelsaratoga: this will of course give noise as output, but the only thing to change is the scaling of the dct32-output before using these samples as input of synth.
08:28:52Buschelsaratoga: you think we should open up a flyspray entry to be able to exchange some test patches there?
08:28:59Buschelbye, will go to work now
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08:36:15Freggerso, all that asembly, and complicated stuff that you guys are discussing. will i have to get familiar with that to get rockbox going?
08:36:34scorcheno...this is all development talk
08:37:16scorcheall you will need is the manual ;)
08:37:43Freggerok. because i dont want another linux incident
08:37:56Fregger"yea, its great and easy to install!! its wonderful!!!"
08:37:58amiconnHmm, this sso seems to be interesting, and should help speed quite a bit (on coldfire too when using emac). The question is how much precision it actually sacrifices...
08:38:17CtcpIgnored 4 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
08:38:17*scorche hands Fregger a copy of the manual :)
08:38:22*Fregger is sitting there, years later running Vista, 5 formats latter as mad as ever
08:39:23Freggerso yea... now that i know its prolly gonna be worth it, then i will commence with the manual
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11:40:36wpyhhi, does anyone know how to attach a file on the wiki?
11:41:12linuxstb_Click on the "Attach" link at the bottom of the wiki page
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11:42:24wpyhok, thanks
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11:48:15wpyhI've successfully done the CF card mod on my iPod Video 5.5g 80GB
11:48:29wpyhI've updated the CFModGuide page with some information
11:48:37wpyhPlease share your experiences there too :)
11:48:43*GodEater wonders why anyone would downgrade the amount of space like this
11:50:21*wpyh wonders whether GodEater is referring to his cf mod
11:51:32peturyes, why you went from 80GB to 8 GB
11:51:57peturmight as well get a nano ;)
11:52:08wpyhWell, I've got a Nano
11:52:14wpyhBut I like the Video's screen much better
11:52:23wpyhand the larger cards are expensive
11:52:44wpyhlike for example, the 32 GB card is around 1100-1200 Yuan here
11:52:45peturon h1x0/h3x0 I can understand, as it has line-in so it makes a nice solid-state recording device
11:53:04*wpyh says "brb"
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11:57:11mcuelenaereyeey I just received my new Onda VX747 :)
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12:00:12LinusNwell, there are many reasons to go CF - for example it is less fragile, and no spinup time, and doesn't it improve the battery consumption?
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12:01:40*pixelma doesn't know if she would like better battery consumption :)
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12:02:19wpyhwell, I think LinusN summed it up nicely
12:02:37wpyhAnd I'm waiting for the time when 128 GB cards go down to 200-300 Yuan
12:02:40wpyhthen I'll upgrade
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12:54:08Nico_Pwpyh: I think you'd be a good candidate to help jhMikeS with the "hack"
12:55:06Nico_Phe suspects the problems that appear are caused by the 80GB HD. if you don't experience them, it will mean he's right
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15:28:44cool_walking_which wiki page?
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15:29:51gevaertsGigabeatSInfo describes how to make a dual boot bootloader
15:30:41LambdaCalculus37cool_walking_: Also, make sure to read for some more information.
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15:33:00cool_walking_LambdaCalculus37: Was reading that one, and figured it would supercede GigabeatSInfo because of it's name. It says there's not source for nk.bin.
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15:34:06saratogaBuschel: I removed the ASM versions of DCT32 and synthfull on arm, and then enabled SSO
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15:34:16saratogaunfortunately it had a negligable impact on speed
15:34:46saratogadisabling the asm dropped decode time from 203% to 178%, but enabling SSO only increased it to 183%
15:34:51saratogai'm not sure what went wrong
15:35:53saratogai disassembled the resulting binary and confirmed that all "smulal" ops in synth_full changed to "mla", but performance was still poor
15:42:03GodEatercan ipodpatcher write a working bootloader / rockbox image to an ipod with no apple firmware on it at all ?
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16:04:29wpyhNico_P: I think I can't compare it with the HDD
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16:04:38wpyhsince it's out of the ipod right now :p
16:05:15Nico_Pwpyh: no need to
16:06:10wpyhUm, you mean you have a 5.5g?
16:06:43wpyhAnd you can reproduce that problem?
16:06:53Nico_Pwpyh: do you remember experiencing sluggishness (mainly after startup) before r17682?
16:07:04wpyhwell, I don't remember the svn revisions...
16:07:13wpyhAnd what do you mean by sluggishness?
16:07:19wpyhIs is the scrolling up/down in the menu?
16:07:26wpyhOr is it navigating between menu levels?
16:07:45Nico_Pno, I mean in the music playback
16:07:56Nico_Pr17682 was committed 6 days ago
16:09:18wpyhmusic playback...
16:09:32wpyhI don't quite understand, can you please elaborate further?
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16:10:37Nico_Pthe main symptom was decreased responsivity when resuming playback shortly after startup
16:12:51wpyhum... ok I'll comment out that piece of code and try again
16:13:23wpyhIt was said that sometimes there will be audio skipping
16:13:27wpyhdid you experience that?
16:15:31Nico_PI didn't
16:15:45Nico_PIt's probably related, though
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16:25:25wpyhI *feel* the gui is more responsive without the patch for r17682
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16:25:37wpyhI mean scrolling the menu up and down feels faster
16:25:56wpyhmight be just a placebo effect though
16:26:10wpyhbut at least I don't experience sluggishness without that patch
16:26:48Nico_Pby "without the patch", you mean after having reverted that revision ?
16:27:02wpyhI commented out the patch manually
16:27:08wpyh(working with the latest svn)
16:28:03Nico_Pso this tends to confirm it's something specific with the HD
16:28:19wpyhmaybe latency? or lockup somehow?
16:28:53wpyhwhat do you suspect?
16:29:28Nico_PI'm not really qualified to suspect anything... this issue is way over my head ;)
16:30:01wpyhlet's just leave it to jhMikeS then :)
16:30:39wpyhbtw, by "decreasing responsivity" do you mean resuming playback then navigating the menus?
16:31:29Nico_Pthe main symptom I experienced was a delay between pressing play/pause and the music actually pausing or resuming
16:32:12Nico_Pthat was the most noticeable effect to me, but I think it was besically a general drop in responsiveness
16:32:19Nico_Pthere's a forum topic about it
16:32:26wpyhoh... I don't experience that
16:32:46wpyhbut did you notice that the icon change (play -> pause -> play) has a delay?
16:33:12Nico_Pyou mean relatively to the actual music playback?
16:33:31wpyhwhen I press the play button, the music immediately pauses
16:33:39wpyhthen if I press the play button again, the music immediately resumes
16:33:40Nico_PI didn't notice that... there should be no delay
16:33:48wpyhbut the icon change is a bit late
16:33:52wpyhtry that :)
16:33:58Nico_P(the forum topic:
16:34:17wpyhOh, and it's not specific to the 5.5g
16:34:28wpyhmy nano also shows the same behaviour
16:34:40*wpyh wonders whether it's due to a lower priority painting thread
16:34:56Nico_Ppossibly... how long would you say the delay is?
16:35:00PaulJamwpyh: do you have "fade on stop/pause" enabled?
16:35:20wpyhNo, I don't have fade enabled (because I hate it)
16:35:29wpyhI'd say the delay is about 0.1s
16:36:09wpyhmake that 0.2s :P
16:36:26Nico_Poh, that's probaly just because the WPS isn't repainted often enough for the change to be *instant*
16:36:30wpyhlike if I press the play button twice in rapid succession, then when the music starts playing again, the icon has just changed to PAUSE. then a moment later (yeah, like 0.2s~0.3s) it changes to PLAY
16:36:51wpyhis this a known bug?
16:37:30Nico_PI'm not sure we'd call that a bug
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16:38:49wpyh"slowness bug" ? :)
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16:52:51amiconnwpyh: The gui (including status bar) is only redrawn 4 or 5 times per second. That's normal, intended behaviour
16:53:42wpyhby the way, I think removing that patch also makes bubbles (the game) seem a bit faster
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16:54:32wpyhalthough, yeah, it's still slow
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18:56:32Buschelpreglow: you there?
18:58:55Buschelpreglow: i am not sure whether DSP_SET_SAMPLE_DEPTH=28 for mpc is correct. to me it seems it should be =29. this explains why there are strange shifts in the final synth-filter
18:59:32Buschelpreglow: DSP_SET_SAMPLE_DEPTH=28 does >>13 before sending to codec. the output of mpc is 18.14
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19:59:01*bertrik is intrigued by
20:01:12*domonoky finds this bugreport strange... maybe he has a failing battery, and the hd read is failing sometimes ? (what does our buffering do if a read fails ? )
20:02:25bertrikI was thinking of some side effect of the SYS_BATTERY_UPDATE event
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20:04:56domonokyis there anything done on certain battery levels ? (like voice? )
20:05:36bertrikdomonoky: yes, on low battery it speaks (if enabled)
20:06:14domonokyah, so the problem could be there...
20:06:15bertrikin misc.c, as far as I can tell from the code, haven't tried it
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20:16:04bertrikdomonoky: you may be right about possible read errors. This bug seems to hint at that
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20:20:27Robust2hi, does anybody here have any experience with rockbox and CF cards ?
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20:23:44LambdaCalculus37A few people have tried it. Go ahead and ask your question.
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20:58:52trheagif a player can play video at xxfps could it be with rockbox support it play on higher fps?
20:59:29LambdaCalculus37Not all Rockbox compatible players can play videos at the same framerate.
21:00:17trheagi see
21:00:48Robust2LambdaCalculus37, my M3 sometimes has reading errors with a CF
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21:13:30gibbon_i want to write a plugin for HAM CW training... and i am wondering if there are functions for tone generation that are customizable in length and nature (frequency and optionally shape) that are accessible from plugin code and in some way universal over at least all softcodec devices
21:13:36LambdaCalculus37Robust2: I don't own an M3, sorry.
21:14:33shiftplusonehello, I understand that rockbox + ntfs is just not going to happen... is there anything against ext2 support for rockbox (apart from the actual coding)?
21:15:26gevaertsshiftplusone: yes. Maintenance load
21:15:51gevaertsshiftplusone: yes. Maintenance load
21:16:00LambdaCalculus37Same reason as why NTFS is not supported.
21:16:25LambdaCalculus37But no one will stop you from writing a patch to add ext2 support.
21:16:40LambdaCalculus37Just don't expect it to be included in SVN.
21:16:43shiftplusonegevaerts, as in maintaining the code, or the load on the device to support the partition?
21:17:32gevaertsshiftplusone: maintaining the code. The advantages are pretty marginal, so a lot of people think it's not worth it
21:18:44gevaertsshiftplusone: memory usage is also an issue, since you either always have both FAT and ext2 drivers loaded, or the default build doesn't enable ext2 which will lead to bugs
21:19:34shiftplusoneLambdaCalculus37, I would think NTFS is not supported because it's hard to reverse engineer properly and is bloated with features rockbox doesn't need.
21:20:22gevaertsext2 is also bloated with features rockbox doesn't need ;)
21:20:33jhMikeStoffe82: If you could check something for me on your other boards just to verify. The current sense resistor for charging seems to be the green one located near the P003 chips and traces to PMIC B17 and C14 (as it should if it is). The problem is that it appears to be likely .33 ohms and not .1 ohms which means charge current calculation needs to account for it (charging times suggest it's .33ohm too).
21:21:22advcomp2019gibbon_, go for it even tho CW is dead.. since you do not need it to go higher then general anymore here
21:21:31LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Gigabeast work?
21:22:05shiftplusonegevaerts, LambdaCalculus37 , thanks.
21:22:11jhMikeSLambdaCalculus37: yes indeed. I haven charging going.
21:22:41LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Cool! :)
21:23:39gibbon_advcomp2019: may be dead... but i guess it won't hurt
21:23:44toffe82jhMikeS: I will try
21:24:25jhMikeStoffe82: I can't stick around too long - heavy winds yesterday knocked-out power and I'm running on a generator. I'll catch up in the logs.
21:24:48LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Yikes, what happened? Bad storm?
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21:25:43jhMikeSLambdaCalculus37: you could say that. a big thunderstorm front complete with tornadoes :)
21:26:35LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Yowza! Hope things get better soon.
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21:27:53jhMikeSThe power company has a map of outages and it's rather extensive so I guess they'll get to putting me back online whenever it so suits them.
21:30:03pixelmaRobust2: what version is your boot loader (will be displayed during boot)?
21:30:39Buschel_anyone here who's able to read coldfire assembler? i need to have a tiny change reviewed
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21:33:45Robust2uhm, pixelma, let me check
21:34:06Robust2it says
21:34:14Robust2roxkbox boot loader, version 1
21:34:30Robust2or do i have to read something else ?
21:35:09pixelmaah hmm... just saw that for the M3 there only is one...
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21:37:00pixelmathere were some fixes for cf mods in general which also have to be in the bootloader. For other targets that means people have to get newer ones but if I remember correctly then the lates Iaudio bootloader releases came after those fixes.
21:37:20jhMikeSBuschel: right here
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21:38:27pixelmaRobust2: sorry can't help you more than that. Are you the one who described the problems in more detail in the forums?
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21:41:55gibbon_does anyone perhaps know about a plugin that generates sounds?
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21:42:56jhMikeSgibbon_: there are some (like doom, mpegplayer, rockboy, etc.)
21:43:18gibbon_metronome.... :) thats more the spirit...
21:43:34gibbon_i guess the other ones are much too high for me
21:44:42jhMikeSgibbon_: I totally overlooked that one for some reason :)
21:45:35*jhMikeS needs to know what the heck to do with this m240 thing he wooted
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21:48:01*Buschel_ didn't wait long enough and left his dev-pc
21:49:48Buschel_jhMikeS: if you take a look at mpc/synth_filter.c there is a short coldfire asm part. what is the correct command for shifting left by 1 (<<1) before writing the data via the move-command?
21:50:22LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: What hardware revision?
21:50:56jhMikeSasl.l #1, <reg> or shl.l #1, <reg>
21:51:18jhMikeSLambdaCalculus37: It's a v2
21:51:45Buschel_jhMikeS: "asl.l #1, %%d0" will do it
21:51:47LambdaCalculus37AMS based?
21:51:53jhMikeSLambdaCalculus37: yes
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21:53:07LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Actually, from what shotofadds found out on the forums here... there may technically be 4 revisions of the m200 hardware.
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21:53:52LambdaCalculus37I have a hardware revision v1 m240 with NAND, and shotofadds has one labeled "V3" that appears to have HARP.
21:54:09jhMikeSLambdaCalculus37: hrm...I assumed by FW revision being 4.xx.xx or whatever it was an AMS
21:54:23LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: That is indeed an AMS.
21:55:16LambdaCalculus37There's a revision number printed on the board roughly around the location it's seen here:
21:56:26jhMikeSLambdaCalculus37: any tips on taking it apart nicely? I can remove the screw and undo the clips by fingernail but gets stuck on the white "panel" around the HP jack and USB port.
21:56:40Buschelsaratoga: you there?
21:57:44LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: I get stuck in the same spot. You could *try * to wiggle the board out at an angle, but you have to also find a way of getting the battery spring to slide down into the casing.
21:58:51*jhMikeS just wants to work on a port that has no charging code requirements :p
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22:02:06MU{lappy}i'd be happy to do it myself just to get my S to charge w/o booting OF, but my C is not strong enough :P
22:04:28jhMikeSMU{lappy}: It's almost there. I've run charging cycles in rockbox already.
22:06:30MU{lappy}i just caught that in my scrollback. thanks much. :D
22:09:14LloreanjhMikeS: Just waiting to see if your battery explodes before committing for everyone? :-P
22:11:29toffe82I have some spare :)
22:12:24MU{lappy}i have a spare battery as well, but the the *player* might not survive the battery going up
22:12:44jhMikeSLlorean: hehe. That should be rather difficult since all that done is specifying current and turning the charger off at the correct mA after topoff. Though you could do damage if you set the PMIC chip improperly.
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22:14:45jhMikeSThe battery has protection circuits built into it that should prevent over/under charge, overvoltage and shorts. Most (all?) of these cells do. If anyone ever installs one that lacks that hardware, woe to them. :)
22:15:15preglowBuschel: i modified the filter bank to output s3.28 fixed point, afaik
22:15:51preglowthe default format was something else, but there might be a one-off error somewhere, of course
22:16:11preglowjust encode a full scale track, dump the raw out and see how many frac bits are used :>
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22:17:37jhMikeSActually, when replacing the 3g battery, I noticed it seems it lacks that protective hardware. Could be the case with sansa batteries. Something to keep in mind when messing around on those.
22:21:11jhMikeSjust removed the shrinkwrap on the old one. The circuit board is attached upside-down so that it looks flat. heh.
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22:28:45Buschelpreglow: ok, that explains the configuration. why did you change it to s3.28? any particular reason?
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22:29:53shotofaddspreglow: when you were working on the SD card stuff, did you try adjusting the PCF register DCDEC1?
22:30:29shotofaddsthere's a routine in the OF that switches it between 2.1v and 3.3v, based on a boolean input (on/off style)
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22:47:07preglowshotofadds: don't think i did, no
22:47:17preglowbuschel: just a common fixed point format for our codecs
22:47:30preglowshotofadds: is it set to 2.1 by default?
22:47:58shotofaddsnot sure about the default, but it's set to 2.1 during initialisation
22:50:28preglowwell, that would be interesting indeed
22:50:48preglowwas planning to do some rockbox work the coming days, good weather is coming to an end :)
22:51:26preglowvmware is now suddenly crashing on me :/
22:51:52preglowi swear, if this image is now permanently broken...
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22:53:20preglowshotofadds: sounds very interesting, i see we init it to 2.1
22:53:44preglowshotofadds: i haven't dared try to turn the voltage higher at random yet, but if the of does it, we can do so too, surely :>
22:54:15shotofaddsyeah, that's why I thought it was worth mentioning :)
22:54:55shotofaddsI haven't seen too many other writes to the PCF registers, bar the backlight brightness
22:57:20preglowwell, i'll give it a try tonight, if i'm not too sleepy
22:59:55shotofaddspreglow: GPIOC24 might also be relevant. during init it's set low if an SD card is inserted, high otherwise
23:00:59preglowyes, i've found that one
23:01:06preglowbut changing that alone did nothing
23:01:30preglowbut you havent't discovered where the 2.1->3.3 volt change is called from?
23:02:35shotofaddsnot sure yet
23:04:07preglowi couldn't find any pcf write calls from the sd init sequence, but i'm almost sure to have missed something
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23:05:30*shotofadds isn't impressed that his M230 is the wrong hardware revision to help his Telechips NAND knowledge :/
23:05:45preglowalso, 2.1 is quite a bit below what seems to be the minimum voltage sd cards do
23:05:54preglowseems 2.7 is the lowest you can ask if it supports
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23:07:35preglowi really can't imagine what peripheral would need a switchable voltage, though
23:07:56preglowbut then again, if we're talking sd cards, why don't they turn it completely off instead of just going 2.1 volts?
23:08:02shotofaddsOr why it'd be switchable, and no calls to switch it off
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23:09:47shotofaddspreglow: m230 v1 is a TCC77x 512Mb beast. I was hoping NAND driver investigations might be easier on it, due to the smaller size
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23:11:11preglownot so? :>
23:11:40shotofaddsit's the wrong version. TCC77x, but seems to use an SD bridge like the E200/C200 do.
23:12:07preglowin which case there's no help at all in it :/
23:12:10preglowi wish d2 did that
23:12:37shotofaddswe can but wish :/
23:12:50preglowmail telechips and ask for their nftl specs and hope for the best!
23:13:01shotofaddsmine is hardware v3 (HARP) whereas I need v1 (NAND)
23:13:15shotofaddshehe, I think we should try that :g
23:13:43preglowi see i've tried switching off that 2.1 volt suppl
23:13:53pregloweffect was a black screen and apparent hang
23:14:11shotofaddsouch. I wonder what it does, then
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23:41:48CLHi I had a quick question. I used rockbox for a while on my Sansa e250 until it got stolen at the gym. I bought a Sansa c200 to replace it and I sucessfully installed Rockbox. I initalised the database. Next I added more music to my player. I tried to update the database with no avail. I tried to reinitalize the database and not it is stuck at "Building database... 850 found" I read the bug reports and the ma
23:42:29gevaertsCL: you got cut off after '...bug reports and the ma'
23:43:11CLthanks... the manual and found no tips. I am using r17703-080607. Does anyone have any suggestions?
23:43:27CLAlso I just found that the database is stuck at -1%
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23:45:45gevaertsI think you probably have a file that the rockbox metadata parser chokes on.
23:46:15CLThanks! are there any logs that i can look through?
23:47:10CLIf not, is there a way to know where the db parser looks first?
23:47:11gevaertsNo. The easiest way to find out would be to remove half of the new files, and if it still doesn't work remove the other half. Then use half of the guilty half, and so on...
23:47:40CLi'll count 850 files :-) try it that way.
23:47:46CLor delete 1x1
23:48:03krazykitCL, gevearts' way is significantly faster
23:48:09gevaertsIf you have something like a directory per album, you could use database.ignore files here and there to avoid having to copy a lot
23:48:36gevaertsBut then, a c250 isn't that big...
23:48:39CLdo you know if Windows media player likes to add extra files to the directories?
23:48:57*gevaerts doesn't know. Never used that
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23:49:27CLI think WMP may be the issue. it worked before I used WMP.
23:50:01*CL thinks why did I have to add music to my sansa at my parent's house. \
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23:50:41pixelmadid you add the files with the c200 in MTP mode?
23:51:42CLMTP... is that drrive letter access or windows crappy driver?
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23:52:16Battousaiuniversal mass storage (UMS or MSC) is the drive letter access
23:52:18PaulJamCL: the database stores its data in the .tcd files in the .rockbox directory, diring initialisation it creates the file database_tmp.tcd . so the contents of this file might give an indication where it hangs.
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23:54:22CLthere is a file in the .rockbox directory with the file name:
23:54:33CL(that was two squares)
23:55:06PaulJamthen i suggest running chkdsk
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23:55:29CLok. there are no .tcd files. that random file cannot be read or deleted.
23:55:40CLits roughly 6mb
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23:58:47CLI am thinking of making my own platform independent DB creator. Is all the music for rockbox stored in the /music folder?
23:58:55CLer /MUSIC

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