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#rockbox log for 2008-06-10

00:00:08gevaertsI'm on linux
00:00:18CLcool. what distro?
00:00:42CL**** windows
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00:00:57CLit just destroied my .rockbox folder.
00:01:13CLand deleted all of my music
00:01:16gevaertsdebian unstable, but this is getting off-topic. If you want to talk more about these side-things, #rockbox-community is more suited
00:02:06CLwell thanks for your help.
00:03:08gevaertsNP :)
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00:04:27CLOK a new related quiestion. is there a way to force windows to load the e200 ONLY in UMS mode?
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00:04:45Robust2amiconn, are you there ?
00:05:00gevaertsI think that depends on the OF version
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00:06:22CLlet me rephrase. I know the c200 will load UMS mode if there is no driver for MCE mode on the client OS. Can i get rid of the MCE mode driver?
00:06:25CLsome how
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00:07:50gevaertsSome firmware versions let you choose, so by installing the right one you can get that, yes. I'm not sure which version you need
00:09:04CLic thanks
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00:10:12saratogai'm really stumped by the lack of improvement using 32 bit multiplies on my sansa for mp3
00:10:37saratogaas far as i can tell, they're being used, but i don't get a speed up verses 32x32->64 multiplies
00:12:21CLUPDATE: My music isn't gone. it was just in a different format (MTP .dat) . I found it by going into mtp mode.
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00:21:19CLfor all who want to know, the last Sansa c200 series firmware with the MTP/UMS mode switch is 1.00.04 and can be downloaded here:
00:21:46advcomp2019CL, that is known
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00:22:11CLfun. i just spent 20 mins looking it up :-).
00:23:06saratoganext time just read the FAQ
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00:32:51saratogawhat do i have to include to get DEBUGF in a codec?
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00:39:04CLhi again. Now that i have rockbox properly working again, I was wondering if it was possible to configure .talk files to play after the song rather than before.
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01:20:32saratoga (for the logs) I'm pretty stuck with my SOC project
01:20:55saratogai'm not really sure how to procede tracking down this plugin buffer error
01:21:03saratogaif anyone has any ideas, i'd love to hear them
01:22:01markunsaratoga: where do you have the code for people to look at?
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01:32:05rezendeshey ppl I need some help, I'm at work and I have no access to .exe files, But I can download .zip files fine... anyways I need someone to please download the bootloader and put it in a zip file for me to download please... can email to me, just msg me Thanks
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01:36:32CLHello I looked in the documentation and the FAQs, but I found no info. Is there a way to voice the upcoming song (ie through the use of .talk files) in regular playback?
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01:43:01*CL notes: wrong forum.
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01:48:20CLhi is there a way for rockbox to announce the next song in the now playing list?
01:50:43rezendeshey cl
01:50:48rezendescan you help me?
01:51:26rezendesI am trying to install rockbox at work but they block .exe files, but I Can download .zip files fine, I need someon to zip up the sansa e250 bootloader for me to download
01:51:53CLsure. give me a min.
01:51:58rezendesthanks bro
01:52:04rezendesmuch appreciated
01:52:12CLno problem.
01:52:16rezendesu can email it to me
01:52:38CLdo you have admin rights on your computer?
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01:52:44CLor do you have a limited user account?
01:53:24rezendesyeah I have admin
01:53:28rezendeson another pc
01:53:53rezendesand it's off the whole network, that's the only way I am able to run the exe files
01:54:19CLok. is it 100% for sure a e200, or it it an e200r?
01:54:38rezendes100% sure e200 series e250 2gb Not e200r
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01:56:27rezendeswill that link work?
01:56:28CLwrong server. that one has hotlinking disabled.
01:56:36CLit will kick you out.
01:57:16rezendesyep I noticed.
01:57:37rezendesthat your own website or something?
01:58:03rezendescool thanks
01:58:04CLthat one too.
01:58:16CLI do a bit of web programming and I had hotlinking problems.
01:58:23rezendessweet I got it now, thanks so much
01:58:34CLno problem let me know if you need anything else.
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02:09:22pixelmawhy not use the automated install then? (linked from the manual and comes in packages (e.g. zip for the windows one...)
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02:27:25danielblanche54Hi, I have a question.
02:27:40danielblanche54I didn't mean to hit enter so soon, I'll get to the question.
02:29:21danielblanche54I was a rockbox user until my iPod (80GB) would complain of a drained battery that was around 97% a few seconds before a shutdown. The batter wasn't dead, and this happened on multipule occasions. I don't know what the problem was, but it is the only reason I'm not using rockbox at the moment. I would like to know if there is a solution to this or if someone knows what I'm doing wrong. Thaks
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02:35:42danielblanche54Is this problem I'm having an isolated incident?
02:38:39cool_walking_It sounds like a hardware issue to me, but did you update your version of Rockbox right before it happened?
02:39:14danielblanche54I honestly don't remember, I came back hoping for a solution, but I don't believe I did.
02:39:26danielblanche54but I might have
02:39:41danielblanche54Thinking about it, its probable that I did
02:39:59cool_walking_Well then try reverting to an older build.
02:40:08danielblanche54And I never had a problem running the official apple firmware
02:40:09danielblanche54and thanks
02:40:21danielblanche54I'm going to install it again later, see where that leads me
02:40:28danielblanche54I'll be back if there is a problem
02:40:33danielblanche54thank you
02:40:41cool_walking_no problem
02:41:00danielblanche54I'm running linux if thats any help
02:41:06danielblanche54but probably not
02:41:25cool_walking_I don't think it affects anything at this point
02:41:35danielblanche54ok, thanks
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03:24:32XqtftqxHey Guys
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03:24:53XqtftqxI see the gigabeat s doesnt have a easy install via widnows
03:25:10Xqtftqxwhy? i installed via windows easier then linux
03:25:15{Nathan}_Rockbox's database doesn't find any of my music that I recently added. Apple's Ipod OS finds (and plays!) all of it... any ideas?
03:25:55Xqtftqx(nathan)_ in rockbox
03:26:13Xqtftqxenable show hidden files and look inside Ipod_Controll/Music
03:26:42Xqtftqxthere will be a couple of folders
03:26:45Xqtftqxlook through
03:26:49Xqtftqxtry to find the music
03:27:06Llorean Xqtftqx: He rather clearly said he wanted the database to find it.
03:27:16Llorean{Nathan}_: Did you tell the database to update?
03:27:29{Nathan}_Llorean: I guess that's what I'm asking how to do
03:27:40LloreanWell, that's in the manual
03:27:51{Nathan}_There's a manual?
03:27:54*{Nathan}_ goes to rtfm
03:28:03LloreanThe link that says "Manual" on the webpage?
03:28:09LloreanWhere you should've got your install instructions from...
03:28:22{Nathan}_I just downloaded the auto-install app and did everything from there :p
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04:24:20natiboI have read many old messages with my problem and have tried about every fix I could find.'
04:24:21natiboHowever, I still cannot get my 60GB video iPod to display album art. I downloaded the cirrect version of rockbox and then updated it to the daily build.
04:25:29krazykitand read the AlbumArt wiki page to make sure you set it up right?
04:26:00natiboI have saved the album art as a 100x100 .bmp in all of these formats/places:
04:26:01natibo./ filename .bmp - same filename as currently playing music file
04:26:01natibo./ albumtitle .bmp - name of the album, found in metadata of the music file
04:26:01DBUGEnqueued KICK natibo
04:26:32natibo am trying to use either the cool blue theme or irock v2 theme
04:26:50natiboThe themes work, but without the album art.
04:26:50natiboI have tried editing the .wps file to have this as the last lines:
04:26:50***Alert Mode level 1
04:26:50natiboI am at a loss as to what to do next. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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04:54:22cool_walking_natibo: WPSes have to explicitly use album art. I'm not good with WPS syntax, but the lines in the text file somewhat represent the vertical positioning of the WPS, so since you added the line to the bottom, maybe the cover is just being drawn past the bottom of the screen.
04:54:27cool_walking_cover.bmp works for me
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04:57:34wpyhanyone here has any idea on FS #5942?
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05:08:40saratogawpyh: that request sounds pretty reasonable, so if someone took an interest i'm sure it could be commited
05:09:30wpyhI'm not signing up though, but yes it looks nice
05:12:00wpyhby the way, does anyone here have experience with formatting FAT32 partitions on ipod 5.5g?
05:12:21wpyhthe main catch being that the storage is exported as 2048 byte sectors
05:12:36wpyhI see here that one must use mformat:
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05:12:47wpyhBut I've successfully formatted my ipod using mkfs.vfat
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05:16:38saratogamarkun: heres a patch
05:17:15saratogaits a mess but it should add a "rockbox as an app" option to configure which builds and runs, but crashes with an undefined symbol if you try to decode a file
05:17:44saratogai'm puzzled by the message since i can't figure out how it thinks that symbol is needed, theres no obvious reference to it anywhere in the source that isn't ifdef'ed out
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05:54:07wpyhwell, no one here seems to know, so I updated the wiki with some extra comments
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08:22:59GodEaterwpyh: The instruction to use mformat isn't because the ipod is a 5.5G, but rather because mkfs.vfat doesn't work correctly on FAT32 volumes over a given size (about 32GB I think).
08:23:29GodEaterso mkfs.vfat will likely be fine with your new CF converted ipod, because the volume size is now so small.
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08:24:45wpyhGodEater: well I misunderstood the original comments then
08:24:55amiconnGodEater: Iirc mkfs.vfat doesn't work correctly with logical sector sizes != 512 bytes
08:24:56wpyhI will try mkfs.vfat later with my 80GB disk
08:25:04wpyhamiconn: it does
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08:25:38amiconnAnd that oddity applies to all G5.5's, 80GB, 30GB, or CF modded
08:25:40wpyhamiconn, GodEater: well, the situation seems murky now... does it fail with sector sizes not 512 bytes, or with large drives?
08:26:17wpyhwell I don't have Windows. But my 5.5G iPod now works perfectly well with the OF, with RB and with my Linux laptop
08:26:29wpyhamiconn: did you forget to use the "-S" switch?
08:27:22amiconnIt's just what I remember from reports. I didn't try it myself; I'd use windows to format fat32
08:27:24linuxstb__saratoga: (for the logs) your new #if in codec_crt0.c looks wrong - I think it should be &&, not ||. Also, "#warning" is a useful pre-processor command - add them into the code to see what is being compiled.
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08:29:13wpyhwell, I'd think they forgot to use the -S switch then...
08:30:10linuxstbMaybe it's simply a bug that's been fixed in mkfs.vfat. It was a year or so ago when people were first trying it.
08:30:27GodEateryes that's also possible
08:30:34GodEateralthough I'm not keen to try it to find out
08:31:00wpyhUh, no
08:31:01GodEaterlinuxstb: what time are we meeting tonight btw ?
08:31:07wpyhI'm using mkfs.vfat dated 2005
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08:31:22wpyhmkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005)
08:32:00wpyhAnd there's this switch I think people forgot to use : [-S logical-sector-size]
08:32:13linuxstbwpyh: Reading the #rockbox logs, the problem (even using -S) was that the Apple OS couldn't write to the disk. I think this was before Rockbox supported 2048-byte sectors.
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08:32:23linuxstbwpyh: No, people were using -S
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08:33:39wpyhhow do I search the logs? (I mean all at once, not one by one)
08:34:08scorche|shlearning how to use google well is a very nice skill ;)
08:34:16CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
08:34:16*amiconn uses a local mirror of the logs with grep
08:34:21*linuxstb too...
08:34:25scorche|shin this case you can do "query"
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08:34:58GodEaterlinuxstb/amiconn: do you find that gives better results than using the google method ?
08:35:03scorche|shi find google finds stuff easier than grep if i do not know the exact phase, but i know a couple words that could be on a line
08:35:11scorche|shhowever, if i know the quote, i go to grep
08:35:47linuxstbGodEater: I haven't really tried google - grep is always good enough (or often, multiple greps, piping results from one grep into another)
08:36:08wpyhI'm a google newb I guess :p
08:36:26phenobitchI'm a grep newb.
08:36:33scorche|shthen learn...
08:36:58*wpyh tries to learn google
08:37:28wpyhlinuxstb: by the way, uh what do you mean the Apple OS couldn't write to disk (how do I detect that error?)
08:38:08linuxstbwpyh: I don't know... I didn't really pay close attention. I read that in the logs for 2007-05-30
08:38:29wpyhOK, let's see those logs
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08:39:59wpyhok, it seems that DerPapst had a problem
08:40:17LinusNmeh, pondlife messed up the "Playback" menu item in the settings menu
08:40:44LinusNnow it says "Playback Settings", while no other menu item has the word "Settings" appended
08:41:41wpyhDerPapst: are you still using mformat to format your iPod partition?
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09:01:25Lartza_is there more games for rockbox, how can i port/make a game for rockbox?
09:01:38Lartza_more games OR programs
09:02:15scorche|shdo you know C?
09:02:53Lartza_I don't
09:03:02Lartza_but I could learn to get more games
09:03:05Lartza_and programs
09:03:25Lartza_are rockbox games/programs coded in C?
09:03:48scorche|shwell, games can take a bit of effort to port...with conversion to C, flixed vs floating point, etc
09:04:07Lartza_i think i forget that :)
09:04:07LinusNdefinitely not an easy thing
09:04:18Lartza_but how about some more games/programs
09:04:37LinusNwell, to get more games, someone will have to port or write them
09:04:37Lartza_maybe i should google rockbox games...
09:04:53Lartza_i bet someone has ported some games himself
09:05:04Lartza_or for the world
09:05:10LinusNdon't hold your breath
09:05:48Lartza_does rockbox only have gb/gbc emulator?
09:05:54Lartza_is there any other for it?
09:06:16scorche|shany other what?
09:06:28Lartza_like nes emulator?
09:06:47Lartza_and i tried to run some homebrew gbc on ipodlinux and the colors were bad
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09:10:33Lartza_what is the arcade game called which roms i need?
09:10:40cool_walking_There's a patch for a NES emulator but I don't think it's really at a usable state.
09:10:57Lartza_cant find it here then...
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09:11:15markunLartza_: was the homebrew good in rockbox and only bad in ipodlinux?
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09:15:11*wpyh recommends "bubbles"
09:27:39Lartza_what pacman does pacbox support? i cant find the *.5e and *.5f files
09:27:54GodEaterdoes anyone know if JdGordon's proprosed wps changes are going to break our default theme ?
09:27:56scorche|shLartza_: you need to dump those from the arcade cart
09:28:11scorche|shLartza_: read the plugin PluginPacbox for more info
09:28:14Lartza_what game, just pacman?
09:28:40scorche|shLartza_: that wiki page may fill in some holes ;)
09:29:30Lartza_it wont
09:30:14Lartza_and is oucman from falcom the other supported?
09:33:49linuxstbLartza_: The "puckman" romset for MAME may help you
09:34:55Lartza_downside is that rockbox has no usb thingy, it used disk mode, but good side is that rockbox boots fast
09:35:43Lartza_says bno roms in pacman...
09:36:54linuxstbLartza_: - you must have all 6 files, ,with those filenames, and those md5sums
09:39:03Lartza_how to quit rockdoom? :D
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09:39:33scorche|shLartza_: have you read the manual?
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09:39:35Lartza_how fast is rockboy?
09:39:51scorche|shtry it and find out ;)
09:40:06Lartza_i will
09:40:13Lartza_but how to quit rockdoom :(
09:40:15linuxstbLartza_: Most people complain that it's slow...
09:40:27Lartza_someone find it faster than iboy
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09:40:44linuxstbLartza_: Turn the hold switch on to access the menu (I'm assuming you're using an ipod)
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09:41:16Lartza_didnt try that...
09:42:02*GodEater would suggest reading the manual
09:43:35Lartza_i just was tryiing if it works
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09:43:41Lartza_i will read
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09:50:19pixelmaGodEater: reading logs - which default theme do you mean?
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09:50:37GodEaterpixelma: cabbiev2
09:52:57pixelmayes, if everything gets committed then all themes break, including cabbiev2. There's a change for the progressbar tag(s) which will break it, conditional viewports wouldn't break it but it is planned that they will replace the scrolling margins tag at some point in time
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09:56:03GodEaterI just figure if anyone is planning on introducing a change which breaks our "preferred" theme, then they ought to be commiting fixes to that theme at the same time too
09:56:13GodEateror at least co-ordinate with a WPS type person at the same time
09:56:55pixelmahe's aware of that (and already asked me)
09:57:25GodEaterin that case my fears are calmed ;
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09:58:40*JdGordon wonders why GodEater thinks I would comit the patch without fixing all shipped wps'?
09:59:52GodEaterI wasn't suggesting you'd do it on purpose, I was just checking you'd thought of that. Which you had.
09:59:55GodEaterso all is good :)
10:00:18pixelmaJdGordon: all shipped one? Have fun... ;)
10:00:44JdGordonwell... fixing %pb on the shipped ones shouldnt be hard
10:01:29JdGordonit looks like everyone prefers the idea of commiting both in one hit instead of staggered...
10:02:55pixelmaI don't remember someone saying anything about preferences
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10:03:14JdGordonlinuxstb wants them done staggered
10:08:51*linuxstb would prefer conditional viewports to go in first (with no other changes to WPS syntax), and then the other changes made at a later time, giving people time to change (and test...) WPSs with official builds.
10:10:16pixelmaJdGordon: who's "everyone" then? And I'd also prefer one change at a time
10:10:48JdGordoneveryone is the people who have expressed an opinion (whihc is really everyone but you two...)
10:10:59JdGordonconditional viewports is broken without the change to %P/%pb
10:11:20JdGordonthat change would break 99% of all WPS so it makes little sense to break them all again in 2 weeks or whenever
10:12:54linuxstbYou don't _have_ to change the %P/%pb syntax to implement multiple progress bars though. Those tags could be local to the current viewport, and maintain backwards compatibility.
10:12:59PaulJamin order to give the WPS authors time to test the changes it would propably be good if someone could provide uisimulators with both patches.
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10:14:25JdGordonlinuxstb: sure... but we also have better things we could be doing with our time than holding peoples hands...
10:15:39linuxstbJdGordon: Exactly, which is why we should always aim for backwards compatibility - so we don't get surprised users.
10:16:12crash91After a day or two there will be a stream of users asking what happened to their WPS's here or in the forums.
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10:19:18JdGordonthats going to happen anyway
10:24:40PaulJamwhat is the status on the rockbox-themes page? it that page could go up at the same time the people with broken themes could be sent there to look for an updated version of the theme.
10:25:30Lartza_rockboy is so slow!
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10:27:51PaulJamLartza_: grab the sourcecode and optimise it! :)
10:27:57JdGordonlinuxstb: also, the %pb syntax has completly changed.... it used to be top|left|right|bottom which was nothing like any other tag, now its normal x|y|w|h|
10:28:14JdGordonanother reason why we shouldnt worry about changing it so it stays compatible
10:32:49linuxstbJdGordon: I know, but I feel strongly that conditional viewports need to be in official builds for at least a few weeks (if not longer) before %m is considered for removal. Changing a WPS to use conditional viewports is non-trivial.
10:33:36JdGordonit is trivial...
10:36:16JdGordonim tempted to write a script to do it, but my script-fu is lacking...
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11:01:49AcornHey, does anyone know, if the battery in my h300 had died, is it possible to plug the hard disk into my computer to get the data off? Does it have a normal connector?
11:03:05JdGordonyou need an adaptor
11:03:35Acornwhat sort of connector is it?
11:03:45JdGordon1.8" ata
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11:05:54Acornisn't that like a normal computer hard disk?
11:08:26Acorni'm trying to find it on wikipedia but it just comes up with things that seem like normal connectors
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11:11:42Acorn"ATA: Known also as IDE" Isn't ide a normal hard disk connector?
11:11:58AcornIDE is old and SATA is new?
11:12:36JdGordonit uses a thinner connector than regular 3.5" hard disks
11:12:39JdGordon\you have to get an adaptor
11:14:02Acornoh, it's because it's a different disk size
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11:14:16AcornI wonder if there's some way of temporarily powering it from batteries
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11:14:33pixelmayou might also want to have a look here
11:16:18Acornthanks :)
11:16:23Lartza_How to check MD5 in windows?
11:16:40B4gderMS calculator! ;-)
11:17:07B4gderthere are md5sum tools
11:17:25Lartza_Thank you Galois
11:18:04Lartza_but i dont have md5 file, just sum
11:18:19JdGordonLartza_: this has nothing to do with rockbox....
11:18:26Lartza_it has
11:18:44Lartza_i need to check md5
11:18:45Lartza_ pacman.5e 2791455babaf26e0b396c78d2b45f8f6
11:18:52Lartza_but i dont have md5 file
11:18:56JdGordonwell then, 1) it doesnts 2) we arnt going to help you get illegal files
11:19:06Lartza_its not illegal
11:19:13Lartza_extract from arcade cart
11:19:22Lartza_its not illegal to check md5...
11:19:41PaulJamshouldn't the h300 boot with the charger connected even when the battery is dead? i think i remember that someone even was able to boot it without a battery connected.
11:19:58Galoisdude, if you can't figure out how to use md5sum.exe, then you wouldn't have been able to figure out how to extract a rom from a cartridge
11:20:06Lartza_PaulJam: That's what I said
11:21:44AcornJdgordon: any idea if it's the same as a 2.5" connecter? Then maybe I could put it in my laptop to recover the data
11:24:07*B4gder moves the attachment from the wiki front page
11:24:12B4gderremoves even
11:24:33pixelmaI already wondered why it keep reappearing
11:24:41pixelma*keeps too
11:24:46B4gderMarcGuay attached them there, I don't know why
11:25:59PaulJamAcorn: it's not the same connector. have you already tried to boot the h300 with the charger connected to recover your data?
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11:26:47B4gderthe svn server seems to be unreachable at least for me
11:27:01AcornPaulJam: it worked with the charger for a bit, but when I realised that it wasn't charging and the battery had died it stopped working from the charger
11:27:57AcornPaulJam: I just plugged it in and it switched on!
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11:29:01Lartza_whats difference of pacman and puckman?
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11:43:01B4gdercertain shirts have arrived to a non-disclosed location...
11:43:17dionoeagevaerts: ping.
11:45:18markunwhat's wrong with
11:45:27B4gderit seems to be dead atm
11:45:38B4gderI don't know more than that yet
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11:46:08pondlifeLinusN: Ping
11:46:27gevaertsdionoea: pong
11:46:42pondlifeWooh, overlapping pingpongs
11:47:07Seldaekcan anyone tell me what kind of Gigabeat that is please? :)
11:47:30pondlifeLinusN: I deliberately renamed Playback to Playback Settings as I thought that "Playback" appearing in the WPS context menu would be more confusing that the alternative.
11:47:33Seldaekobviously not an F
11:47:53Seldaekah well, guess it's S nevermind
11:48:00dionoeagevaerts: I'm runing some checks for the sd driver on the e200 (like I said I would a few days ago) and wanted to know the new ata driver source code file location ... but grep found it now so it's ok :)
11:48:30pondlifeLinusN: I could have had separate LANG options to make it appear as Playback OR Playback Settings, but thought that was un-KISS (and inconsistent).
11:49:54markunSeldaek: yes, it's the S
11:50:13Seldaekany idea how well it does with rockbox ? I see it's still in "new ports" stage
11:50:22Seldaekbut the page hasn't much details
11:53:13markunSeldaek: I think it works ok with rockbox, but read the note at the top of the install page:
11:53:44Seldaekyup I have
11:54:04Seldaekjust not sure if it means there are risks of bricking or not
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11:55:44markuncould be, better wait for someone working on the Gigabeat S port to answer that.
11:56:13gevaertsSeldaek: you won't brick it, but there are still missing features, and probably the battery life isn't too good yet
11:56:32LinusNpondlife: as it is now, it is very inconsistent in the settings menu
11:56:45Seldaekokay, btw gevaerts someone mugged me off the first F20's auction :/
11:56:54Seldaekbut I've found a couple others
11:57:32pondlifeI agree, but I don't like the same menu having two names. I'd prefer they all had ... Settings, as a logical solution, but that seems a bit silly.
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11:58:50pondlife"Playlists" meaning playlist settings has long felt wrong for me, for some reason.
11:59:55LinusNconsistency is good, but i think having "settings" after every setting item would be awfully annoying
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12:00:05pondlifeSpoken, in particular..
12:00:15markunSeldaek: in the end the S will probably be a nicer player
12:00:52Seldaekyeah I guess, anyway it will all depend on whether I win the auction for the S or the F.. I just want one
12:01:23pondlifeSo, suppress the Settings suffix in the Settings UI, but leave it in the context menus (where the settings context isn't obvious)?
12:01:49LinusNi think so
12:01:53PaulJam_will this work with all other languages too?
12:02:06pondlifeNo, I mean have 2 LANG entries.
12:02:32pondlifeI mean, yes, it will not break languages.
12:02:46*pondlife is having enough problems with English.
12:03:37pondlifeHmm, is there a generic way for a menu to know where it was called from?
12:04:45pondlifeAlso - on another topic - did anyone mention that the Subversion tables have vanished on the front page etc.
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12:05:19LinusNpondlife: network problems
12:05:59LinusNlooks like a router has broken down on the way to
12:06:02pixelmaI remember a problem in svenska.lang where "recording" (the screen) and "recording settings" where named the same and you had 2 entries in the main menu with the same name and didn't know where one or the other would lead you to
12:06:44pondlifeI'd personally prefer the extra "...Settings" but can see how that might annoy people.
12:07:18Seldaekmake it an option?
12:07:31SeldaekUltraVerboseMenus on/off
12:07:44gibbon_pondlife: hi, may i use your test_sampr.c for plugin development?
12:08:05gibbon_don't know... it had your name on it
12:08:42*pondlife goes to look
12:08:42PaulJam_btw, is the playbacksettings entry in the contextmenu really needed? you can reach this menu faster when opening the mainmenu and then the contextmenu of the now playing entry.
12:09:18gibbon_in the header at least
12:09:26pondlifePaulJam_: I like it, and it seemed a sensible way to get to the EQ etc.
12:09:45pondlifegibbon_: Nope, that's jhMikeS with the copyright. I was just the last to update it.
12:09:53gibbon_ah, ok...
12:10:17pondlifeYou should be ok to use it as long as you keep the (c) in there
12:10:30gibbon_currently i am trying to find out when rb->pcm_play_data will stop playing...
12:11:52PaulJam_pondlife: i didn't mean the entire WPS context menu, just the playback settings entry there.
12:12:05pondlifeI know
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12:47:44preglowsvn work for you guys?
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13:08:30B4gderthe server is inaccessible atm
13:08:38B4gderI don't know why
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13:10:07*preglow finds out adjusting dcdec1 to 3.3 volts does nothing for sd...
13:10:15JdGordonhas anyone heard any news about the theme editor gsoc project?
13:11:33dionoeagevaerts: I'll post full results on fs#8663 when I'm done, but it seems that removing the udelay() call fixes write corruption issues on microSD. I still need to perform the test for internal flash. (Copying 2GB worth of files on USB 1.1 is slow)
13:15:07pixelmaJdGordon: AFAIK domonoky reported some things about it recently - got some test code from his student or so
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13:29:19dionoeais rockbox GPLv2 or "GPLv2 or later"?
13:30:50linuxstbdionoea: That's a controversial question..., Some parts are definitely GPLv2, others are (IMO) v2 or later, but other people disagree.
13:31:17dionoeaI'm about to use some code from a GPLv2 or later project in rockbox ... don't know if that matters.
13:31:57B4gderthat doesn't matter, since we're surely v2 regardless of "or later"
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13:36:20markunif rockbox was "GPLv2 or later", could we link both GPLv2 and GPLv3 code or just one of the two?
13:36:39linuxstbThe combined code could only be distributed under v3
13:37:03markunbut then you can't link GPLv2 code with it anymore, right?
13:37:03linuxstbBut "v2 only" and "v3 or later" are incompatible.
13:37:45B4gderwe can have a gpl version fight on devcon!
13:38:07linuxstbI won't be there, but I think amiconn has the same view as me, so count him twice ;)
13:38:32*wpyh comes back just to see a license war...
13:38:46B4gderno show, no vote ;-P
13:38:49markunby trying to fight tivoification, free software seems mostly to harm itself...
13:39:18linuxstbB4gder: No postal voting?
13:39:35B4gderwell of course we allow votes on postcards
13:39:54wpyhmarkun: I have to disagree here
13:40:09wpyhI think the one who fights tivoization is RMS and not free software people as a whole
13:40:32markunare there other reasons for adopting GPLv3?
13:40:42B4gderyes, a few
13:40:54B4gderlike how it allows "extensions" for things like openssl
13:41:09B4gderand it also addresses patents
13:41:35wpyhbut that would be irrelevant in our case (both extensions and patents)
13:41:39markunI think I'll cast a vote for a BSD license at devcon ;)
13:42:03B4gderwpyh: the extension thing could fill a purpose if we'd find BSD-licensed code we want to use
13:42:11B4gderI mean original bsd
13:42:34wpyhwell, I don't see too many original 4-clause BSD on the net...
13:42:49wpyhI mean original 4-clause BSD software ...
13:43:02B4gderI think openssl is one of the most frequent ones
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13:43:23B4gderbut also the apache license isn't v2 compatible
13:43:27wpyhwell, I can't see the usefulness of openssl either
13:43:31VoltageXhi rockboxers
13:44:01B4gderwpyh: I agree, I was only talking "possible" future scenarios, not really likely ones
13:45:03VoltageXmod support :)
13:45:24wpyhbtw I'm still curious about the mkfs.vfat problem (since I don't have it)
13:46:23GodEaterwpyh: try formatting a 40GB+ drive with it
13:46:57wpyhOn the iPod with 2048-byte sectors?
13:47:13GodEateron any drive
13:47:32wpyhlet's see... maybe I can use a sparse file for this purpose
13:49:11wpyhGodEater: does it need to be formatted with the 2048-byte sector type?
13:49:43GodEaterI don't recall
13:49:55GodEaterbut I would suggest trying that yes
13:50:02GodEatersince that's where we had our issues with it
13:52:39linuxstbGodEater: I've used mkfs.vfat on 512-byte 40GB+ drives many times. We have lots of 40GB/60GB targets...
13:53:29linuxstbAFAIK, it's only the 2048-byte sector ipods that have issues.
13:53:55wpyhI heard that the issue was with the apple firmware
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13:56:36wpyhbut I didn't see any problem with my cf card inside it
13:57:08wpyhI'm guessing the issue is with the 80GB drive, with 1024-byte physical sectors
13:57:16wpyhbut I'm running a battery benchmark now...
14:01:42wpyhIt's copied and pasted from my console
14:03:14pixelmathe ipodlinux wiki (thanks to google cache) claims the following: Note: It seems that mkfs.vfat contains a bug (same belongs to mkdosfs since it is the same tool). However the linux kernel, the Apple Firmware, MacOSX, Linux and Windows aren't complaining about the filesystem being broken. The only issues you'll get is that recording in the Apple Firmare is broken and RockBox cannot handle the filesystem at all.
14:03:43B4gderI mkfs'ed my 80GB disk in my archos just fine
14:03:56wpyhBut I can't record on my ipod with the OF...
14:04:15wpyhand the second part of that claim is absolutely false: we can handle the volume just fine!
14:04:28wpyhI mean RockBox can handle the volume just fine
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14:06:34gevaertswpyh: how did you test that ?
14:06:52pixelmaI think they only mean the 2048-byte sector sector drives, if someone wants to read more
14:07:15B4gderyeah, there must be something additional to it, like 2048 sectors
14:07:42wpyhgevaerts: wou mean on the ipod? well, I'm running the ipod video off my cf card that I formatted right now
14:08:08wpyhpixelma: actually the drive inside the ipod is not 2048-sectors, I think it's 1024 sectors instead
14:08:15gevaertsok, so nit the 200GB filesystem mentioned earlier :)
14:08:19*gevaerts was a bit confused
14:08:32wpyhbut it's exported through the usb interface as 2048 byte sectors
14:08:49wpyhgevaerts: I'm using qemu-img to generate a sparse file since my disk has only got 5GB left...
14:08:50B4gdersvn server is back
14:09:40*gevaerts wonders. Why qemu-img and not just dd ?
14:10:55wpyhbecause I'm trying to create a big image on a small disk, and dd creates a full image instead of a sparse file...
14:11:06gevaertsno :)
14:11:15*gevaerts recommends the manpage
14:11:16*wpyh suddenly remembers that dd can skip the first few bytes and create a sparse file
14:11:25*wpyh RTFM's
14:13:08wpyhoh, should be the seek= parameter...
14:14:46wpyhthe result should be the same anyway :)
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14:50:14dionoeaHum, why does the directory contextual menu not have an "Open with plugin" entry?
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14:53:41LinusNdionoea: perhaps because we have no plugins that operate on directories
14:53:59dionoeaOk, then I'll add one if that ok with everyone.
14:54:56pixelmamaybe properties?
14:55:24pixelmathe plugin, I mean :)
14:55:39LinusNi wonder what happens if you pass a directory to a plugin that expects a file, could be an interesting experiment :-)
14:55:40dionoeaI already have the plugin :)
14:55:47dionoeaI'm just missing the open with... entry
14:55:53dionoea(md5sum plugin for the curious)
14:56:03dionoeaI'll be back in a few minutes
14:57:14pixelmathe properties plugin has an own entry in the directory context menu (not behind an "open with...")
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15:23:16pixelmadionoea: would be cool if you could document the new plugin somewhere (at least a start of a wiki page or so...) ;)
15:23:56dionoeapixelma: I'll do that once I'm sure that everything works as expected :) And I also need to add some visual feedback in the plugin itself so people know what it's doing.
15:24:36*linuxstb wonders who wants to md5sum their music files...
15:24:53*dionoea now has an e260 and the ata driver is buggy
15:24:56dionoeaand USB is slow
15:25:07dionoeaSo I'd rather do the md5 checks directly on target to save some time.
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15:29:26LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: It would be useful to ever check if, say, a music file suddenly becomes corrupted and doesn't play correctly.
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15:30:22dionoeaFor me it's just a helper application for FS #8663 :) and I figured that I could commit it in case anyone ever had use for such a plugin some day.
15:31:14linuxstbOK... No less useful than Doom ;)
15:31:23amiconnLinusN: It will probably fail when trying to open the file (EISDIR)
15:31:24pixelmawell... it'll help better if it would build on all targets and without warnings I suppose ;)
15:31:36LinusNamiconn: probably, yes
15:31:41dionoeawhat's the difference between puts and putsxy?
15:33:55linuxstbdionoea: The GraphicsAPI wiki page is useful (not sure if your question is answered there though...)
15:34:18dionoeaI'll check. (both functions just have the same prototype)
15:34:57dionoeaThat page doesn't mention lcd_puts :/
15:35:31amiconnlcd_puts is line based, while lcd_putsxy is pixel based
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15:36:31linuxstbdionoea: Ideally, your plugin should use an existing widget (e.g. the list widget), and then you don't need to worry about the low-level stuff. It will also then work on remotes.
15:37:09dionoealinuxstb: I don't want anything fancy :) Just printing the current filename somewhere to see that it's doing something and not stuck in an infinite loop
15:38:05LloreanSo, a splash?
15:38:21dionoeabasically a splash without any timeout stuff
15:38:29gibbon_hiho... is there some function in the API that upper/lowercases a string?
15:38:49linuxstbSplashes don't clear themselves - it's up to the calling function to clear/redraw the screen afterwards.
15:39:02dionoeaah ok, that would work then.
15:39:13dionoeagibbon_: not that I know. But that's easy to write.
15:39:43pixelmadionoea: are you going to fix the errors too?
15:40:07dionoeawhich errors?
15:40:13*dionoea checks the build page
15:40:47dionoeaah ... some targets don't have memcpy?
15:40:59dionoeaor did I forget to call the magic macro?
15:41:26LinusNdionoea: rb->memcpy
15:41:50dionoeaerr, memcmp. But that's what I did.
15:42:13*gevaerts disagrees about upper/lowercasing a string being easy
15:42:29dionoeaif you only take non accentuated latin chars into account :)
15:42:45dionoeagevaerts: did you see my message about the udelay?
15:43:21dionoeaLinusN: hum, in fact the error is indeed about memcpy. But I never call that anywhere in my code.
15:43:53LinusNdionoea: could be a struct assignment
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15:45:09linuxstbgevaerts: void strtolower(char* s) { while (*s) { *(s++)=tolower(*s); } }; ?
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15:46:58linuxstbdionoea: Is your "WORDS_BIGENDIAN" check correct? And where is GetDWLE defined?
15:47:15LinusNdionoea: void *memcpy(void *dest, const void *src, size_t n) {
15:47:15LinusN return(rb->memcpy(dest,src,n));
15:47:19gevaertsdionoea: I saw it, yes. I don't really understand the driver well enough to know how to use the info though
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15:47:38Lartza_i finally got pacman to rockbox and found its nearly impossible to get through level 2 atleast for me :)
15:47:44gibbon_dionoea: thanks
15:47:47dionoeagevaerts: can't you just remove the udelay?
15:47:52Lartza_pacbox is the best in rockbox!
15:47:59gevaertslinuxstb: if tolower() is implemented correctly, sure ;)
15:48:10linuxstbgevaerts: Why wouldn't it be?
15:48:24gevaertsdionoea: There have been reports of that giving errors on e200 (internal)
15:48:33Lartza_how is it possible for rockbox to get so loud sound output?
15:48:47*linuxstb guesses utf-8 might cause issues and shuts up
15:49:45gevaertsexactly :) From what I understand a fully correct tolower() actually needs to be language dependent (i.e. not just encoding)
15:50:51dionoeawhat targets are big endian? (To test if the code compiles ok)
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15:53:01markunLartza_: we don't do anything special. The hardware is capable of this sound output and probably limited by the original firmware in software.
15:53:48gibbon_another question is if theres an easy way to output some data to the controlling terminal of the simulatior
15:54:14dionoeagibbon_: yes, using DEBUGF
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15:55:12gibbon_ok, thanks
15:55:16gibbon_will have a look
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15:58:21saratogawhat do i need to include to get access to DEBUGF in a codec?
16:02:15Nico_Psaratoga: rb->debugf IIRC
16:03:37Nico_Pbut actually DEBUGF seems to be defined in plugin.h, so you can just use that
16:10:14wpyhI got 22 hours of runtime on the iPod 5.5g!
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16:12:11Nico_Pwpyh: with the stock battery and your CF mod?
16:12:18LambdaCalculus37wpyh: Wow, very nice!
16:12:28wpyhrunning RB
16:12:35wpyhdon't know how long the OF will last
16:13:37wpyhso, anyone interested in the CF mod? ;)
16:14:50*LambdaCalculus37 raises his hand
16:16:28wpyhwell, how big of a cf card would you use?
16:17:32LambdaCalculus37Maybe a 32GB if I can afford it. ;)
16:18:38wpyhhow much is it there?
16:19:08LambdaCalculus37In the U.S.? Depends on where you buy it, mostly.
16:20:21amiconndionoea: Just put MEM_FUNCTION_WRAPPERS(rb) in your plugin (use whatever you named the global api pointer in place of 'rb')
16:20:51dionoeaamiconn: already did that and commited :) Thanks for the tip anyway ;)
16:20:56LambdaCalculus37But a 32GB CF card is around $120 on average.
16:21:15wpyhhere we can get a 32GB transcend (maybe fake, maybe original, unknown) for 1200-1850 Yuan, about $171-$264
16:21:20*amiconn paid EUR 130 for his 32GB CF card
16:21:21wpyhwow, that's cheap
16:21:48wpyhuh, I think you should stay away from transcend's 133x CF card, though
16:21:51wpyhI had no success wit hit
16:21:53LambdaCalculus37wpyh: When you can afford it. ;)
16:22:07amiconnwpyh: I do use exactly that card....
16:22:12LambdaCalculus37I'll probably buy an A-DATA card.
16:22:15amiconnWorks like a charm in my mini
16:22:24wpyhLambdaCalculus37: I'm comparing the prices between here and the US :p
16:22:37wpyhamiconn: I haven't tried with a mini but it doesn't work in my 5.5g
16:23:11wpyhI'm using the Apacer 200x 8GB card inside my 5.5g, btw, which doesn't turn up on google (that's weird)
16:23:52wpyhLambdaCalculus37: I don't know about A-DATA, never tried it.Would be good though, since you can then update the CFModGuide page :)
16:24:08amiconnwpyh: You didn't use the 32GB version though
16:24:34LambdaCalculus37wpyh: If I can get one for cheap, then I'll mod my iPod video and will post the results on the wiki page.
16:24:43LambdaCalculus37Until then, money's tight. :/
16:25:31wpyhamiconn: I used the 8GB version.. but I think they should be similar (same controller chip)
16:26:29wpyhLambdaCalculus37: well, you can always buy the 8GB now and wait for 128GB prices to come down (when it's announced) and upgrade
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16:33:50dionoeaHum, md5 hashing on target takes longer than I though.
16:34:43dionoeais cpu_boost something you need to call only once to activate and once to deactivate? or should it be called regularly? (I think that somone talked about changing the way that worked a while back)
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16:43:22saratogaNico_P: I tried including plugin.h but it didn't help
16:43:45saratogai'm actually really confused, since I use debugf in libwma all the time, so i don't see why it wouldn't work in libmad
16:44:22Nico_Poh, a codec... I read too fast and thought you were asking about a plugin. sorry for that
16:45:27Nico_Pbut things seem to be the same in codecs as in plugins... debugf is in the API and DEBUGF is defined in codec.h as ci->debugf
16:48:56markunsome on-topic talk from #rockbox-community
16:49:08Nico_Psaratoga: tried including codecs.h?
16:50:25*wpyh thanks markun
16:51:11*markun your-welcomes wpyh
16:51:13wpyhbtw, shouldn't it be forever?
16:51:20markunshould it?
16:51:23wpyhit says the post will expire in 4 weeks
16:51:29wpyhlogs are forever... :p
16:51:55markunwe should have pasted it in here :)
16:52:24wpyhwell, we should ask Mr. Llorean for permission to do that :)
16:53:08markunThis one shouldn't expire
16:54:54scorche|shwpyh: it is fine...i dont know why you need to ask for Llorean's permission...
16:55:31wpyhscorche: I mean copy & pasting the whole logs on this window, not just the link like markun does
16:55:40scorche|shoh...hell no ;)
16:55:44markunwpyh: you will be auto kicked
16:55:54scorche|shand if not, i will do it
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16:56:13markunhow unfair after first giving him permission :)
16:56:40gevaertsmarkun: maybe he'll then kick himself as some sort of compensation
16:57:53wpyhoh, then let's not do that
16:58:22wpyhwe can do one thing though: copy the logs line by line
16:58:36scorche|shdont worry about it
16:58:55*pondlife wonders if it's just him getting bouces from a user on the dev ML...
16:59:27wpyhyep, and markun has provided a non-expiring version
16:59:54wpyhok, back on topic
17:00:12scorche|shwpyh: either way, this is far from the first time on-topic chat has gone on there...
17:01:50dionoeagevaerts: I'll keep the udelay thing commented out and try using rockbox that way for a while. (Do you remember what kind of issues the e200 user reported?)
17:02:26gevaertsdionoea: sorry, no. It should be somewhere in the logs though
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17:04:16wpyhnot much difference between different font file sizes
17:04:16wpyhthe pixel sizes makes a lot of differrence, though
17:04:55wpyhthe scrolling (between ~5 menu items) is slow
17:05:25wpyhand I've observed another thing: if I scroll between the main menu items with a few character names, it's much faster than scrolling between files with long names
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17:05:48wpyhmaybe this is because we need to draw a lot of characters
17:05:48gevaertswpyh: that clearly points to the font cache
17:06:10*wpyh wonders what's just happened (9 people going out and then in again simultaneously)
17:06:24wpyhah... so the font cache
17:06:48GodEaterwpyh: that's called a netsplit
17:06:51wpyhI haven't read the code yet, but do we cache the font in a way suitable for fastest rendering on a given LCD type?
17:07:06*wpyh googles for netsplit
17:07:54pondlifeA netsplit is your only chance to say stuff behind logbot's back..
17:08:20wpyhfound it on wikipedia :)
17:08:46wpyhpondlife: but in this case, the logbot's server wasn't disconnected :p
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17:08:59pondlifeFrom your point-of-view maybe... ;)
17:09:21GodEaterit was from pondlife's ;)
17:09:40wpyhyes, so I can't say things behind its back just now :p
17:09:49*scorche|sh coughs
17:10:15markunwpyh: the limit for your player is 60,000 bytes for a font, before the caching starts. Did you try a font below that?
17:10:57wpyhyes, I tried a few small fonts < 10KB, but they are mostly small in pixel sizes too
17:11:23gevaertswpyh: basically, the font cache has a fixed size, which will fit more characters with smaller fonts. Every time you need a character that's not in the cache it needs to hit the disk
17:11:27markunthe nimbus fonts should work
17:11:38*gevaerts probably simplified this a bit by not fully understanding it
17:11:58markungevaerts: and even the lookup when it's in the cache is not as fast as could be I think
17:12:25wpyhI don't think it hit the disk because: 1) the disk icon didn't appear, and 2) I only viewed ASCII menu items
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17:12:53markunwpyh: try nimbus14 or nimbus19, still as slow as with your chinese font?
17:14:13wpyhI tried the nimbus fonts, but the speed seem to be determined by the pixel size instead
17:14:27wpyhwell, nimbus 19 is about the same speed as wqy-unnibit
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17:15:11wpyhnimbus 14 is not much better, about the same
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17:16:23wpyh9+18x18 and 9+18x18B is a bit slower than wqy-unibit
17:16:41markunthen I guess it's not a font caching problem after all
17:17:10wpyhnimbus-10 is faster
17:17:20wpyhmaybe it's just font drawing slowness?
17:17:34markuncould be
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17:18:09weatherundergndwhat do you guys think is the best device for Rockbox use?
17:18:39markunweatherundergnd: these ones:
17:19:09*dionoea likes the "In Production" column
17:19:20markunwhat kind of player are you looking for? flash/hdd, colour/gray, radio, recording
17:21:04weatherundergndi had H140 but it dropped off from a buildings third floor to the ground. :|
17:21:06*LambdaCalculus37 wonders if it's still a bit early to add the Gigabeat S to the BuyersGuide page
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17:22:21markunLambdaCalculus37: we still don't have a nice install method, do we?
17:22:23gibbon_gnah... i am stuck with this problem...
17:22:45gibbon_what does "rb->yield()" do anyway?
17:22:49LambdaCalculus37markun: True.
17:23:27weatherundergndrecording is a nice bonus feature
17:23:59LambdaCalculus37weatherundergnd: Why not just buy another H100?
17:24:23weatherundergndi thought that if there are better models available today
17:24:41*wpyh wonders why the drawing slowness discussion stopped after we switched back to #rockbox
17:25:16LambdaCalculus37weatherundergnd: That's a matter of opinion, but a lot of people seem to enjoy the H100 and the Gigabeat series the best.
17:25:24LambdaCalculus37But like I said... all a matter of opinion.
17:26:00weatherundergndhow about Sansa or iAudio ?
17:27:11gevaertsweatherundergnd: you come from a 40GB device. Sansa goes up to 8GB. Will that be enough ?
17:27:29LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Don't forget about memory expansion via microSD cards.
17:27:50gevaertsLambdaCalculus37: true, but still not the same
17:28:13weatherundergndi gotta look in to this
17:28:28LambdaCalculus37weatherundergnd: How about a Gigabeat F40?
17:28:29wpyhgevaerts: my 5.5g ipod goes from 80GB to 8GB
17:28:30weatherundergndi get ATA error: -11 / Insert USB cable and press a button
17:28:41weatherundergndso the HD is probably borked
17:28:59wpyhweatherundergnd: it may be possible to do the CF mod
17:29:03LambdaCalculus37Open it up and see if anything else is damaged.
17:29:07gevaertsweatherundergnd: sure, but look how slow the screen refresh is ;)
17:29:28weatherundergndwhaddya mean?
17:29:38weatherundergndwith screen refresh?
17:29:46gevaertsweatherundergnd: I meant that for wpyh
17:29:47wpyhwell, at least I don't get the sluggish ui problem ;)
17:30:03weatherundergndLambdaCalculus37: it didn't damage a lot externally
17:30:09weatherundergndit seems to be in quite good condition
17:30:26weatherundergndi have insurance. let's see if i can get some money from them to buy a new player.
17:30:57wpyhinsurance for an MP3 player?
17:31:07weatherundergndhome insurance covers things like this
17:31:09weatherundergndatleast in Finland
17:31:44LambdaCalculus37Wow... wish we had that in the U.S... ;)
17:31:57weatherundergndyeah. i know. :D
17:32:06weatherundergndi'm a lucky bastard living up north
17:32:56gevaertsAnyway I think there are at least 5 'best players' around, depending on what exactly you want from them
17:33:21weatherundergndgevaerts: can you name them?
17:33:49weatherundergndanyone ever heard Mr Velcro Fastener? they are from same town I am.
17:34:04*LambdaCalculus37 points to the topic
17:34:07weatherundergndthey have a album called Lucky Bastards Living Up North
17:34:24weatherundergndsorry... :|
17:34:35*LambdaCalculus37 directs weatherundergnd to the community channel for off-topic talk
17:34:43weatherundergndgevaerts: what do you thing are the 5 best players
17:35:10gevaertsweatherundergnd: I'd say Archos Recorder v2 for sheer possible storage size, Gigabeat F for good storage size, decent screen and a CPU fast enough for video, some iAudios for battery life, iriver for recording, and sansa for portability and price.
17:35:20gevaertsOf course every one of them has disadvantages as well
17:36:01*gevaerts left out sound quality, as he doesn't really know which is best there
17:36:16LambdaCalculus37Archos players are MP3 only, since they have decoding hardware to help ease the load on a slow CPU.
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17:37:20LambdaCalculus37So you should either transcode a lossless file like FLAC to MP3, or just rip your CDs to MP3.
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17:51:59gibbon_would someone please tell me a way to play audio for a certain time?
17:52:41gibbon_i fiddled with pcm_play_data for hours now and i can't get through it
17:52:51domonokypress play, and after a certain time press stop.. :-) i think you have to be more speicif what you want to do..
17:53:09gibbon_domonoky: i am writing a morse trainer plugin...
17:53:42gibbon_i need to play a sine wave and turn it on and off to produce a morse signal
17:53:47domonokyso if you use the pcm_play_data function, it just plays as much as you give to it...
17:54:29domonokyso you need to produce a longer or shorter Sinus in a buffer, and give this buffer to pcm_play_data..
17:54:50gibbon_in test_sampr.c there is an example that uses a ISR to reset the pointer ...
17:55:16domonokygibbon_: do you use the "getMore()" callback of the pcm_play_data function ?
17:55:47gibbon_it has two lines in it...
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17:56:06gibbon_one to reset the pointer, the other one to update the size
17:56:40domonokyso if you set the size to zero it should stop, i think..
17:56:43gibbon_i only know that far, what i could learn from the test_sampr.c
17:57:16gibbon_and there is a load of stuff all around the function...
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17:57:32gibbon_the pcm_play_data function
17:58:17domonokyif your sounds are short, you dont need the callback, see metronome.c :-)
17:59:02gibbon_i need tones up to about 1.2seconds
17:59:25gibbon_thats quite huge for a buffer
17:59:44gibbon_i saw 32bit values...
17:59:57gibbon_the callback btw is working fine...
18:00:32gibbon_what i don't understand is, how to proceed afterwards
18:00:40gibbon_after playback has finished
18:01:26gibbon_thats why i askes about the yield function...
18:01:53domonokyhm, i dont really understand..
18:02:04gibbon_it does something there and i don't know what
18:02:18gibbon_then i ask more direct questions...
18:02:27domonokyyield() give the cpu back to other task, so they can do their work...
18:02:41domonokymore direct questions are better :-)
18:02:54gibbon_after doing pcm_data_play, the application will run on, while audio plays?
18:03:15domonokyso if you call yield, other rockbox task can run, and your plugin task will continue later...
18:04:15domonokyi dont really know the code in question, but i think you have to wait for the playback to finish, and while you wait you call yield..
18:06:23domonokyso after calling the pcm_play_data you put something like: while(rb->pcm_is_playing()) { yield() }
18:07:58domonokythis will halt your code flow, until the playback is finished... after playback the next instuction after the while is called... i think thats what you want, right ?
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18:08:45gibbon_i stop audio in the interrupt handler if enough samples have been played
18:09:11domonokyinterrupt handler ? you mean the getMore callback ?
18:10:06domonokyor a timer interrupt ?
18:10:36gibbon_it says ISR in the comment... so i started calling it an interrupt handler
18:10:52gibbon_but the callback is the function i referred to
18:11:35domonokyi dont think its an ISR, but i dont know for sure. lets call it "callback" :-)
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18:13:03gibbon_of cause...
18:13:20gibbon_i just got the function to play audio, but its horribly wrong...
18:13:35gibbon_too short pauses etc... i'll have to debug that for a while
18:14:32domonokysure, if you have questions, just ask... (and maybe provide the code in a pastebin for checking) :-)
18:15:11gibbon_i will provide code when i cleaned it up a bit and set comments to the pieces that i think are easily misunderstood
18:15:38gibbon_because i am a really fresh C newbee, it will hurt a lot to read it, anyway
18:16:07LambdaCalculus37gibbon_: But think about this... it's the good kind of pain. :)
18:16:27domonokywe are happy to help people who do actually work on code..:-)
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18:17:00gibbon_if anyone is interested, i'd be very happy to put this to upstream with a little help...
18:17:12gibbon_some ham people out there might be interested ;)
18:17:23LambdaCalculus37gibbon_: You could pastebin the code for us to look at.
18:17:56gibbon_i will
18:18:09gibbon_when i am home... currently i am still at work
18:18:15*preglow wonders why anyone would want an md5 plugin...
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18:19:07dionoeadebugging ata write errors without having to use slow usb.
18:19:23gibbon_preglow: that would hurt from the "runtime and battery life" point of view, right?
18:19:48preglowgibbon_: having an extra plugin hurts nothing, more or less
18:20:07gibbon_preglow: i was refering to using it of cause ;)
18:20:24preglowbuschel: for the logs: it would probably be better to fix musepack so it is s3.28 fixed point, only two bits of headroom is a bit on the low side
18:21:01dionoeawhat block sizes does the ata driver use when reading off the disk?
18:22:33dionoeanevermind, found it. (at least for the target I'm currently using)
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18:24:18LambdaCalculus37There's 136 other people in here besides you. :)
18:24:22LambdaCalculus37Do you have a question?
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18:30:57webguest88can i ask a question ?
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18:32:27pixelmajust ask
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19:22:29Buschelpreglow: changing mpc to s3.28 shouldn't be that big deal, but it will need some careful work... right now i am more interested in asm'ing the dct-stuff −− but i'll keep in mind
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19:42:28webguest88ive plugged my ipod in and downloaded the rockbox utility then i tried installing the bootloader but it says no ipods found and ive tried it in disk mode aswell what do i do? :(
19:42:43LambdaCalculus37What model iPod is it?
19:42:59webguest88oh sorry its a nano 1st
19:43:19LambdaCalculus37Plastic front and chrome back?
19:43:40domonokywebguest88: and apple os works on the ipod ?
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19:44:49webguest88yeah its white and chrome
19:44:49scorche|shwebguest88: it looks like this?
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19:45:36LambdaCalculus37Are you running iPodpatcher with admin rights?
19:45:45LambdaCalculus37Windows, OS X, or Linux?
19:45:49domonokywebguest88: did you run rbutil with admin rights ?
19:51:24webguest88domonoky : yeah i think so
19:53:17domonokythen it should work, if it really is a 1gen nano..
19:54:12*LambdaCalculus37 has an idea... a bit of a farfetched one, but an idea
19:54:27LambdaCalculus37webguest88: Can you read the serial number on the back of your iPod for us?
19:55:18LambdaCalculus37It's near the bottom of the iPod.
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20:06:45webguest88serial no: 7J553ZBRSZB
20:08:11*LambdaCalculus37 goes to look it up
20:12:07LambdaCalculus37webguest88: In the iPod firmware, can you go to Settings > About, and read the model number?
20:12:19LambdaCalculus37The serial number you gave me doesn't work.
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20:33:43webguest88model no : MA004FB
20:34:47LambdaCalculus37That doesn't match with any of the 1st gen nano models listed here:
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20:36:45LambdaCalculus37Look here... and see which model looks like yours.
20:37:22webguest88im from britain does that make a difference?
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20:39:27webguest88MA004LL/A (2GB white)
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20:47:15pixelmaI can find a few Nanos with that model number at that clearly look like first generation ones
20:50:20pixelmawebguest88: how did you put the Nano into disk mode and are you sure the cable is not broken or so?
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20:54:54webguest88i can connect to itunes and i held down menu and select to get disk mode up
20:57:14linuxstbwebguest88: Does your ipod appear as a drive letter in Windows?
20:58:05linuxstbAnd are you _sure_ you're logged in as a user with Administrator rights when you run rbutil?
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20:59:48advcomp2019what version of windows are running?
21:00:18pixelmaonly menu+select? I thought that would only reset it and you need to press select+play if the apple logo comes up after the reboot (don't have an Ipod though, could remember wrong)
21:02:04webguest88yeah pixelma thats what i meant sorry
21:02:50webguest88ill try again as an admin back in a minute
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21:13:37webguest88back haha it works a charm now forgot to login as an admin lol well thanks for the help guys cya
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21:42:07lobfcan anyone tell me why windows sporadically tells me that it doesn't recognize my rockbox install?
21:42:20lobfer my USB device to be precise
21:42:55scorche|shwhat device?
21:47:24domonokylobf: reboot into the Of to use USB.. rockbox us
21:47:33domonokyusb isnt ready
21:47:39lobfit's a 5th gen ipod
21:47:46scorche|shdomonoky: we dont know what device he has ye....blah
21:48:05domonokyof = original firmware, ie apple os
21:48:15scorche|shlobf: original firmware...and yes...boot into the apple firmware or use disk mode for USB...not rockbox
21:48:41domonokyäh, wrong window :-)
21:48:55lobfhow do i boot into the original firmware
21:49:04LambdaCalculus37It's in the manual.
21:49:26scorche|shthe manual should tell you how to get into both the original firmware and disk mode
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22:05:33scorche|shGodEater: around?
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22:16:54preglowmy, will the people on the user list ever get the point on how to behave on mailing lists
22:17:39*scorche|sh shakes the magic eight-ball
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22:17:48scorche|sh"Signs point to no"
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22:22:55preglowshotofadds: oy?
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22:30:22preglowshotofadds: no dice on the 3.3 volts with sd
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22:33:02shotofaddspreglow: heh, I'm here but half asleep...
22:33:11shotofaddsshame that didn't work. could have been a nice easy fix :/
22:35:14preglowthat's even with the gpioc change as well
22:35:20preglowi guess i'll just keep on disassembling and see
22:35:31preglowi've ordered a 16 gig sdhc card, so i better have this working soon
22:35:46preglowseems the weather is taking a turn for the worse, so i might actually get something done too :>
22:35:59shotofaddsI hope you don't expect to be able to use playlists in the OF on that card...
22:36:12preglowi don't do playlists
22:36:27shotofaddsgood job :)
22:36:31preglowi use my d2 like my other mp3 players, browse around until i find something i want to play, then play it
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22:37:03preglowthe of is so amazingly buggy, i don't use it much anyway
22:37:25preglowi have to transfer music in small batches to not make the database (and hence everything music-related) vomit
22:37:32shotofaddsit's in a pretty poor state for a player that's been out this long
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22:37:52shotofaddseveryone says it has database issues, but I've been lucky so far ...
22:37:52preglowdab radio needs sporadic trips into the music file player to work without bursts of low frequency square waves
22:38:09shotofaddswhich fw?
22:38:20preglow4.55 worked better, but i just can't be bothered
22:38:32preglowi'll rather just keep using my h120 until i can get sd card support going
22:38:34shotofaddsit's /that/ good ;-)
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22:39:16preglowit's bloody annoying, i can't remember the last time i bought something with a firmware i was satisfied with
22:39:33preglowit doesn't even have to be perfect, just bloody not crash and have crippling bugs
22:40:05shotofaddsmy previous DAP was a Zen Vision:M, works fine if you can stand MTP-only ...
22:40:12preglowi can't...
22:40:31preglowi've only got the h120 and ipod nano. former is ok enough, but pretty basic. latter is an ipod...
22:40:37shotofaddsit didn't last long for that very reason
22:42:40shotofaddsI'm trying to work up the enthusiasm to go fix the NAND driver, but there's been sunshine and beer outside. what can I do :-)
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22:44:02shotofaddspreglow: I don't know if you saw that I got the FM driver to talk to the chip. It's progress, even if not very useful...
22:44:49preglowdidn't see that, and all progress is good progress
22:45:03preglowi guess the regular d2 has a completely different fm setup than dab d2?
22:45:31preglowextremely sunny here as well, i haven't been able to do anything rockbox specific for weeks, thanks to that and moving
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22:47:00shotofaddswhat makes you say the FM might be different?
22:47:15preglowkind of figured they were part of the same package
22:47:54shotofaddsnope, both dab and normal D2 have a LV24020
22:48:13shotofaddsso the driver was kind of trivial once I'd figured out the GPIOs...
22:48:18preglowwell, i guess that's good
22:48:38shotofadds"just" need to get some sound out of it now...
22:49:13shotofaddsI'm picking apart the various WM8985 accesses in the OF to see if I can get any clues
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22:52:12preglowyou know how's it connected yet?
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22:56:18shotofaddswhat, the WM codec? yeah, it's on I2C - there's a (partial) driver for it already
22:56:32shotofaddsor the radio audio?
22:58:15preglowah, so it's just i2c and i2s, i gather
22:58:31preglowwouldn't one of the wm drivers we already have work fine?
22:58:49preglowthat wouldn't account for the telechips i2s stuff, of course...
22:58:54shotofaddsit's very similar to the 8758 (iirc - that's the driver I copied)
22:59:02shotofaddsthe missing link is the I2S stuff
22:59:09shotofaddsI started a PCM driver but didin't have much success
22:59:15shotofaddswil attempt that again soon
23:00:42shotofaddsI'll probably have a bit more time for these things next week. Whether to do NAND or PCM, that is the question...
23:01:52preglowwell, nand is of course the more important, but i can most certainly see why you wouldn't want to work on that ;)
23:02:19preglowand once i do crack this obstacle, i believe and hope progress will be better
23:02:27preglowso we at least have proper sd card access
23:02:34preglowmaking nand at least a bit less important
23:03:17shotofaddshonestly I can't see how the NAND scheme can be so hard. it's "just" a matter of matching up the physical blocks with the logical blocks... easy until you have 4Gb of data to deal with and no way of dumping it to the PC
23:03:44shotofaddswell.. given that there won't be write access to the NAND any time this decade SD is going to be very important :-)
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23:04:08*preglow again curses telechips for doing things the hard way
23:04:51shotofaddsyou mailed them yet... :g
23:05:18*shotofadds wishes his 16Gb D2 tester would get back to him. it's not much fun speculatively fixing things...
23:05:44preglowno shit
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23:12:27jswetzHi, I'm trying to change the behaviour of my iPod when I have hold on during the startup: I don't want it to reset my settings. I've tried to find where the reset is done by searching the source, but I just can't find it.
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23:24:48preglowshotofadds: what i2c address was the pcf again? 10?
23:25:36preglowshotofadds: you have the parameter description for of i2c_write hanging around?
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23:27:40shotofaddspreglow: pcf is 0x10, yeah. int i2c_write(int device, const unsigned char* buf, int count ) is all I have...
23:27:58jom"do you really want to install the bootloader?".... is there a reason NOT to install it?
23:29:35preglowshotofadds: so all i2c devices are actually connected to one gpio pin? one would have thought there'd be an onboard i2c controller they could use...
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23:30:27shotofaddsthe PCF and WM are definitely using the same GPIOs, yes. that's how the OF works
23:30:41shotofaddsnot sure why they don't use the hardware I2C, really...
23:31:06jomso no permanent reasons why you wouldnt want to install the bootloader? as far as damaging the ipod?
23:31:27Bagderjom: no
23:32:30jomfor some strange reason, it cannot find my ipod....
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23:32:57krazykitjom, are you absolutely sure you have a supported ipod (as listed on the front page)?
23:33:06jomIpod First Gen
23:33:23jomit did go through the washer once... but my computer still reconizes it
23:33:45BigBambihave you got admin/root rights?
23:34:04BigBambiand it is in disk mode?
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23:34:48pixelmareally an old Ipod 1st gen or a Nano or even Mini 1st gen?
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23:35:10jomit was not in disk mode :-/
23:35:23jomNano first gen i believe
23:38:17krazykitcould you check to be sure?
23:40:10jomyes, its an ipod nano
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23:41:02jswetzI don't really like how the wake-up alarm works on the iPod, because if you happen to switch on hold after you've turned off the player
23:41:37jswetz(sorry, unintentional enter) the OF will start
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23:43:30r0rshachhey guys
23:44:10markunhi r0rshach
23:44:34r0rshachwhen im connecting my rockbox to my pc to put new songs on it, its telling me to run chkdsk
23:44:39r0rshachwhich is now running
23:45:08markunevery time?
23:45:12r0rshachyeah :(
23:45:27r0rshachthis is the 1st time i actually ran it thou
23:45:37markundo you just pull out the cable or "safe disconnect"?
23:45:37advcomp2019r0rshach, what os?
23:45:40r0rshachit wants to convert the folders that didnt write into files
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23:45:55r0rshachi remove the cable when the files are written
23:46:14r0rshachbut even before that it would have that 'not finished writing' err occasionally
23:46:14jomi didnt think rockbox would install so easily
23:46:31r0rshachso i know im doing something wrong
23:46:44markunjom: what's your first impression?
23:46:59r0rshachis it advisable to convert these folders to files?
23:47:15jomhmm. my first impression was "sick!"
23:47:29markunI hope it's the good kind of sickness :)
23:47:36jomindeed :)
23:47:41r0rshachyeah rockbox is fantastic kills the firmware
23:47:56jomdue to my bad past exerpieriences with installations. i blame those experiences on Linux
23:48:44markunr0rshach: what's the other option besides converting the folders? deleting them?
23:49:01r0rshachim at the prompt for y/n to convert
23:49:13r0rshachdo you want me to say no and continue?
23:49:23markunI have no idea what you should do
23:49:35jomhaha. now iTunes wants me to format my ipod
23:49:56markunr0rshach: If you still have all the music on your computer it shouldn't matter I think
23:50:04markunbut it's getting late, I have to get some sleep
23:50:25markungood night
23:51:33jomit wont let me install new themes
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23:53:12r0rshachis there a way to be sure its done copying the files so its ok to disconnect the usb?
23:53:19jom"themes list is in wrong format"
23:55:55r0rshachsweet its working okay now
23:56:07r0rshachsome winamp.exe err but i can atleast go cut the lawn
23:56:12r0rshachill defrag this drive later
23:56:16preglowshotofadds: really? seems i2c_write gets passed r0-r3 here, unless i've got it marked wrong. r1 is 0x10 often, so that seems to be 'device'
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