| 00:00:32 | gibbon_ | i changed that to something more usable... |
| 00:00:55 | gibbon_ | it builds without warnings and i'm going to test it... |
| 00:01:08 | gibbon_ | thanks so far |
| 00:01:31 | gibbon_ | i'm going to bed now... sleep well (in your appropriate timezone :)) |
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| 00:24:41 | amiconn | linuxstb: around? |
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| 00:52:28 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes |
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| 00:58:58 | amiconn | linuxstb: Did you see this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17158.msg127130#msg127130 |
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| 00:59:24 | amiconn | I wonder whether this could be caused by some init code that's present in ipl but missing in rockbox |
| 00:59:35 | amiconn | (for type 0 lcd) |
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| 01:00:54 | amiconn | It almost looks like swapped bytes, and that init code might change a controller mode to the opposite byte order |
| 01:01:07 | amiconn | Unfortunately we still don't know what tpye 0 actually is |
| 01:09:05 | amiconn | This is the code I am referring to: http://pastebin.ca/1045517 (in fb.c) |
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| 01:46:47 | fdinel | hey Bagder, are you online? :) |
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| 01:53:54 | pixelma | fdinel: he's almost always online but probably not around now (almost 2am here in central europe) |
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| 01:54:52 | fdinel | pixelma: ok thanks :) I'll send him a PM on the forums |
| 01:59:45 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, that seems to be the issue. The cvs log message that added those lines to IPL said "fix for ipod photo 1.1 color problem". Feel free to commit it - it's too late for me now, and I probably won't have chance tomorrow. |
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| 02:07:46 | d1sturb | Are you able to uninstall rockbox from 1st gen iPod Nano? |
| 02:08:18 | Llorean | Any device you can install it on, you can uninstall it from. |
| 02:08:27 | Llorean | The instructions for both are in the manual |
| 02:08:58 | d1sturb | Thanks. I just found this program now while googling a way to watch movies on it! =D |
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| 02:26:10 | mindheavy | hi |
| 02:27:42 | mindheavy | i thought i might be able to hook a palm pilot to a usb hard drive with music and use the palm to browse music, and play thru my home stereo, from what i can tell, you cannot connect an external drive to a palm, would anyone have any idea's of something small i could use to browse and play music from this usb drive? |
| 02:28:23 | d1sturb | iPod nano 1st gen getting an error: Can't load rockbox.ipod: bad checksum |
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| 02:30:08 | jac0b | hey JdGordon |
| 02:30:24 | Llorean | mindheavy: This has nothing to do with Rockbox, though... |
| 02:30:28 | Llorean | d1sturb: Try reinstalling |
| 02:30:36 | d1sturb | Alright |
| 02:30:55 | JdGordon | jac0b: about to head of... ill reply in a few hours |
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| 02:31:04 | jac0b | is the margins_condvp_merged.3.diff the conditional vp and lcd margins patches combined? |
| 02:31:19 | mindheavy | if possibly there was something i could use with rockbox, it could have something to do with it |
| 02:31:43 | Llorean | Rockbox doesn't have USB Host. |
| 02:31:58 | JdGordon | jac0b: yes |
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| 02:37:45 | d1sturb | I reintsalled and it's still a no-go. Any suggestions? |
| 02:39:38 | pixelma | did you also download the build again? |
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| 02:40:43 | d1sturb | yep |
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| 02:43:08 | d1sturb | So there's no other way I can get it to work? |
| 02:47:27 | pixelma | hmm... not many ideas as this is not a common error. Maybe you could try yesterday's "daily build" for once. And just making sure: are we talking about a Nano 1st generation? |
| 02:48:22 | d1sturb | Yeah |
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| 03:00:12 | d1sturb | Is it possible because my iPod is full that it isn't working/ |
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| 03:05:59 | pixelma | you could try. Make sure that the build unzips completely. |
| 03:06:30 | pixelma | hope you get it working, I need to leave now |
| 03:06:34 | d1sturb | ok |
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| 03:06:51 | d1sturb | Any other staff here? |
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| 03:30:19 | d1sturb | Anyone know of any other way I can watch videos on a iPod 1st Gen Nano? This program isn't working properly. |
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| 03:34:35 | cool_walking_ | Which program? What's going wrong? |
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| 03:36:34 | d1sturb | I did everything to install rockbox on my 1st gen iPod Nano, however, when I do a hard restart after installing everything, I'm getting a "Bad Checksum" error. PLEASE HELP! |
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| 03:38:21 | cool_walking_ | is that the exact error? |
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| 03:40:09 | d1sturb | ...checksum : 2c77DFB / ...loading rockbox.ipod / sum :2C77DEC / Error! / Can;t load rockbox.ipod / Bad checksum |
| 03:40:38 | cool_walking_ | rockbox.ipod is corrupt. Try downloading/extracting again. |
| 03:41:15 | d1sturb | I have...3 times =[ |
| 03:41:29 | saratoga | well that rules out the download |
| 03:41:32 | d1sturb | I redownloaded it 3 times and reinstalled it |
| 03:41:51 | d1sturb | I also tried yesterday's build...same error |
| 03:41:51 | saratoga | that still leaves your ipod and whatever you extracted with as suspect |
| 03:42:03 | d1sturb | What do you suggest? |
| 03:42:12 | cool_walking_ | Try a different upzip program |
| 03:42:20 | d1sturb | I'm using winrar |
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| 03:43:04 | d1sturb | I'll try winzip |
| 03:43:08 | cool_walking_ | I use winrar too, but better try another one just in case. Are you sure you're downloading the correct build from the download page? |
| 03:44:03 | cool_walking_ | oh not, wait, that wouldn't matter... bad checksum |
| 03:44:07 | d1sturb | Under "Downloads", Current Build |
| 03:44:42 | cool_walking_ | yup |
| 03:44:53 | d1sturb | fine, I"m trying winzip |
| 03:45:18 | cool_walking_ | Is your iPod's disk full? |
| 03:45:56 | cool_walking_ | What Operating System are you using? |
| 03:46:08 | cool_walking_ | oh.. winrar.. dogh |
| 03:46:10 | cool_walking_ | *dohg |
| 03:46:11 | cool_walking_ | *doh |
| 03:46:43 | d1sturb | Just about |
| 03:46:46 | d1sturb | Win XP |
| 03:47:53 | cool_walking_ | Close iTunes and anything else using your iPod, open a command prompt, and type "chkdsk i: /r /x", where "i:" is your iPod. |
| 03:48:45 | cool_walking_ | Wait, is "just about" in answer to whether the disk is full? |
| 03:49:09 | d1sturb | yup, my ipod is just about full |
| 03:49:13 | cool_walking_ | Try clearing some space and extracting again. |
| 03:49:21 | d1sturb | And I tried winzip didnt work. |
| 03:49:23 | d1sturb | k, one sec |
| 03:51:17 | d1sturb | 81.7MB Free, good? |
| 03:51:20 | cool_walking_ | yeah |
| 03:52:02 | cool_walking_ | Just want to make sure your zip program isn't being stupid and writing half of rockbox.ipod to the disk, then finding out there's no space, and leaving a half-file there. |
| 03:53:10 | d1sturb | =/ |
| 03:53:14 | d1sturb | no, same error |
| 03:53:22 | d1sturb | Is it the iPod? |
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| 03:53:28 | cool_walking_ | Okay try the "chkdsk" thing I wrote above |
| 03:53:32 | cool_walking_ | I don't think it's the iPod. |
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| 03:55:02 | d1sturb | run and then just type that thing above? |
| 03:55:41 | cool_walking_ | no, you want to see what happens with the program. Run "cmd" to open a command prompt, then type the chkdsk command |
| 03:56:34 | cool_walking_ | If you just type the "chkdsk .." directly into "Run", it'll close itself when it's finished and you won't be able to see what happened. |
| 03:58:22 | d1sturb | "The type of file system is RAW; CHKDSK is not available for RAW drives." |
| 03:58:52 | cool_walking_ | That's not good, are you sure you have the right drive letter? |
| 03:59:03 | d1sturb | i |
| 03:59:10 | d1sturb | yeah |
| 03:59:33 | d1sturb | I did run/cmd/ and then typed chkdsk i: /r /x exactly |
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| 04:00:02 | cool_walking_ | the "i:" i wrote was just a placeholder. replace it with your iPod's drive letter. |
| 04:00:07 | Shaid | but is I: the drive letter your iPod is using? |
| 04:00:10 | d1sturb | It is I |
| 04:00:12 | d1sturb | Yes |
| 04:00:36 | d1sturb | Sorry, I'm a n00b at this stuff =[ |
| 04:00:49 | cool_walking_ | Yet you can still browse the disk in explorer? strange. |
| 04:00:58 | wpyh | I found something interesting while browsing today: http://www.rush2112.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=60 |
| 04:01:10 | wpyh | There's an explanation of the ipod dock there |
| 04:01:24 | wpyh | (maybe everyone here knows it already, but who knows) |
| 04:01:59 | wpyh | and some more here, with the pin numbers reversed: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f6/crazy-ipod-charger-idea-need-help-173023/ |
| 04:02:23 | wpyh | it also appears that ipl knows about this (can't verify since their website is down) |
| 04:02:47 | d1sturb | cool walking, what about ipodlinux? |
| 04:03:03 | cool_walking_ | I don't know anything about iPod Linux, I've never used it. |
| 04:03:11 | d1sturb | ah, so nvm. |
| 04:03:19 | scorche | an ipod can take 22VDC?...you must be joking |
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| 04:03:31 | cool_walking_ | What do you mean "what about" it? Do you have it installed as well? |
| 04:03:34 | Llorean | scorche: probably missing a decimal. |
| 04:03:36 | d1sturb | I just found this program today while googling for a way to put videos on a nano |
| 04:03:42 | Llorean | scorche: 2.2 is pretty common, no? |
| 04:03:47 | d1sturb | No |
| 04:03:58 | scorche | Llorean: well, USB is 5 |
| 04:03:59 | cool_walking_ | d1sturb: Unless anyone else has any suggestions, I'd say backup everything from your iPod, and do a "restore" in iTunes, then do the "chkdsk", then install rockbox. |
| 04:04:26 | Llorean | scorche: Oh, yeah, looking at that thread, probably not a typo |
| 04:04:29 | wpyh | even more here: http://pinouts.ru/Devices/ipod_pinout.shtml |
| 04:04:33 | scorche | Llorean: indeed |
| 04:04:47 | d1sturb | Was gonna ask ye. How can I backup the music on my Ipof |
| 04:04:50 | wpyh | so, maybe we can detect the presence of an accessory |
| 04:04:52 | d1sturb | iPOd* |
| 04:04:57 | scorche | Llorean: were you thinking 3.3? |
| 04:05:01 | scorche | 3.3 is the common one |
| 04:05:13 | Llorean | 3.3 is common, but there's one below it. 2.1 I think. |
| 04:05:29 | cool_walking_ | d1sturb: All the music is in a hidden folder called "iPod_Control" |
| 04:05:40 | Llorean | wpyh: We need to know what's going on internally. |
| 04:05:47 | Llorean | Pinouts aren't particularly helpfu |
| 04:05:48 | Llorean | l |
| 04:05:55 | cool_walking_ | d1sturb: do you know if your music has DRM? |
| 04:06:05 | d1sturb | Ok, found it |
| 04:06:07 | scorche | well, either way, i would love to see an ipod take 22VDC =P |
| 04:06:14 | d1sturb | NO, my music isn't protected |
| 04:06:19 | cool_walking_ | d1sturb: It's just I don't use iTunes so I'm not sure if it'll let you import it back in if you just copy it off. |
| 04:06:21 | BHSPitLappy | those pins are pretty tiny |
| 04:06:26 | BHSPitLappy | that'd be a good chunk of current |
| 04:06:27 | cool_walking_ | d1sturb: Okay, no issues then. |
| 04:06:30 | wpyh | Llorean: ok... |
| 04:07:07 | d1sturb | Alright, I'm trying what you said above |
| 04:07:14 | cool_walking_ | okay |
| 04:07:17 | scorche | it could be a firewire thing, i suppose |
| 04:07:22 | d1sturb | By the way, thanks for helping me :) |
| 04:07:49 | cool_walking_ | no problem |
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| 04:08:53 | Dhraakellian | I'm pondering how to get some sort of moodbar support in Rockbox |
| 04:09:06 | scorche | moodbar? |
| 04:09:20 | Dhraakellian | http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Moodbar |
| 04:09:34 | cool_walking_ | I had to google it too :) |
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| 04:09:58 | scorche | Dhraakellian: so something to read and display .mood files? |
| 04:10:18 | Dhraakellian | given that I don't care too much about album art, I think that I could probably hack up a .wps to use a long, thin bitmap |
| 04:10:37 | scorche | well, it would likely be a plugin if anything |
| 04:10:48 | Dhraakellian | of course, this means that I have to figure out a way of converting existing .moods to bitmaps |
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| 04:15:43 | Dhraakellian | hmm... and probably using the "Frozen in the Arctic" or "Angry as Hell" colors just to be sure there's no magenta |
| 04:17:41 | d1sturb | damn it, didnt work |
| 04:17:45 | d1sturb | Whatever, I give up |
| 04:17:57 | cool_walking_ | did chkdsk still say it was raw? |
| 04:18:19 | d1sturb | no |
| 04:18:53 | cool_walking_ | Did it find any errors? |
| 04:18:56 | d1sturb | no |
| 04:19:09 | cool_walking_ | Are you still getting the same "bad checksum" error? |
| 04:19:14 | d1sturb | But now I disconnected my iPod, and it says it's in disk mode |
| 04:19:15 | d1sturb | yeah |
| 04:19:49 | d1sturb | wait, nvm above message |
| 04:19:53 | d1sturb | its still getting the error |
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| 04:23:41 | saratoga | anyone tried out Buschel's GUI boost patch lately? |
| 04:24:11 | cool_walking_ | d1sturb: I've got no idea.. try an older build. |
| 04:24:57 | d1sturb | I have =[ |
| 04:25:14 | saratoga | i doubt it has anything to do with builds |
| 04:25:14 | d1sturb | By the way, are you one of the people that created the program? |
| 04:25:25 | saratoga | we would have noticed if builds stopped working at some point |
| 04:25:34 | saratoga | its obviously some problem with either his ipod or his computer |
| 04:25:53 | d1sturb | So I don't have to report this as a bug...speaking to you is like I already did |
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| 04:26:04 | d1sturb | I can try it on a different computer |
| 04:26:08 | d1sturb | be back in a minute |
| 04:26:20 | cool_walking_ | d1sturb: nope. I'm not. |
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| 04:35:55 | d1sturb | YES! |
| 04:36:00 | d1sturb | It worked on the other computer! =] |
| 04:36:20 | d1sturb | THANK YOU! |
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| 04:46:16 | saratoga | finally got the SDL sim playing audio |
| 04:46:18 | wpyh | d1sturb: do other devices behave the same way on your computer? |
| 04:46:37 | wpyh | saratoga: I always get some kind of codec error |
| 04:46:54 | saratoga | you're running my patch? |
| 04:48:14 | wpyh | no |
| 04:48:18 | wpyh | :p |
| 04:48:22 | wpyh | which patch? |
| 04:48:47 | saratoga | the one that creates adds an SDL target to rockbox |
| 04:49:10 | d1sturb | Usually not |
| 04:49:10 | wpyh | uh... tracker number? |
| 04:50:49 | wpyh | d1sturb: you may want to check for data corruption on other devices, like usb sticks |
| 04:51:21 | wpyh | I'd say that in a different way: you may want to check for data corruption on other devices, like such as....... |
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| 04:51:59 | d1sturb | k |
| 04:52:02 | wpyh | saratoga: I didn't find anything resembling audio codec searching "sdl" |
| 04:52:44 | saratoga | sdl is an api on unix, it doesn't have anything to do with codecs |
| 04:52:54 | saratoga | well api on various operating systems, including unix |
| 04:55:41 | wpyh | yeah... |
| 04:56:23 | wpyh | I'm running the sim right now, and when I try to load a song it will say "Codec failure" |
| 04:56:47 | wpyh | and creates a _temp_codec0.dll (I'm running linux btw, so I don't know why it would be dll) |
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| 05:00:01 | Llorean | wpyh: Did you compile the sim yourself? |
| 05:00:55 | wpyh | yes, I compiled it myself |
| 05:01:12 | wpyh | not the latest svn though, maybe a week back |
| 05:01:23 | Llorean | So you just did "make" then "make install" then ran it, and it didn't work? Nothing else in between? |
| 05:01:28 | wpyh | I thought it was an acceptable problem :p |
| 05:01:45 | wpyh | yes, I configure'd it, make |
| 05:01:46 | wpyh | oh wait |
| 05:01:58 | wpyh | maybe I unzipped the rockbox-full.zip into the archos subdir |
| 05:02:07 | wpyh | but wouldn't that fail to run at all? |
| 05:02:14 | Llorean | No, that'd just mess everything up. |
| 05:02:36 | Llorean | Since you'd be running a windows binary with player codecs. And it'd cause exactly the errors you mentioned. |
| 05:02:36 | wpyh | um... I can run the ui just fine |
| 05:03:18 | Llorean | The UI is entirely in the executable file. |
| 05:03:41 | saratoga | you can run the UI without even an archos folder |
| 05:04:02 | wpyh | um... |
| 05:04:05 | wpyh | ok |
| 05:04:22 | wpyh | but without the archos folder it would just say "incomplete rockbox installation" |
| 05:04:44 | saratoga | yes I know |
| 05:04:56 | Llorean | wpyh: His point was, the binary executable does not require the archos folder just to start. |
| 05:05:07 | Llorean | In the archos folder should be codecs and plugins *compiled for windows* |
| 05:05:09 | wpyh | oh, ok |
| 05:05:18 | Llorean | You get them there by way of "make install" |
| 05:05:36 | Llorean | You do not get them there by extracting a build compiled for the player, as it's designed for an entirely different processor than your computer. |
| 05:05:48 | wpyh | right, I just realized that :) |
| 05:06:26 | wpyh | it plays audio fine now |
| 05:06:29 | wpyh | thanks |
| 05:06:38 | wpyh | although with some clipping... |
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| 05:07:09 | wpyh | maybe it's just my volume settings though |
| 05:07:35 | saratoga | Llorean: you had a windows ce phone right? |
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| 05:09:06 | Llorean | saratoga: Yes. |
| 05:09:23 | saratoga | have you looked at running any third party software on it? |
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| 05:09:34 | Llorean | I run a bunch of third party apps. |
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| 05:09:36 | saratoga | i'm thinking about wince as a target, but i know nothing about it or it's phones |
| 05:10:14 | Llorean | Heck, there's a version of PuTTY for it. A little buggy compared to the desktop version, but usable. |
| 05:11:24 | JdGordon|uni | putty on it takes ages to connect... but still better to kick my mac than going up to my room where i can ssh in to it from my desktop :p |
| 05:12:06 | JdGordon|uni | saratoga: after my exam tomorow im going to have another stab at getting sdl to cross compile for it.... i dont tihnk it will be that hard anymore seen as it can be cross compiled for regular windows |
| 05:12:10 | Llorean | JdGordon|uni: It doesn't take too long for me. It did at first, but decided to get better. |
| 05:12:40 | saratoga | JdGordon|uni: i'm building cegcc now |
| 05:12:41 | JdGordon|uni | and it wont accept my keys so i have to use a password to login which is annoying |
| 05:12:45 | saratoga | so i'll try and take a look at it |
| 05:12:50 | JdGordon|uni | saratoga: cool... good luck |
| 05:12:59 | saratoga | i assume its not too difficult? |
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| 05:13:22 | JdGordon|uni | oh, i found a site which has a ubuntu image with cegcc and sdl for ce supposedly working but havnt grabbed the image yet... |
| 05:13:31 | JdGordon|uni | its being? |
| 05:13:46 | saratoga | building cegcc |
| 05:13:50 | saratoga | but i guess you haven't tried then |
| 05:14:06 | saratoga | it looks easy enough anyway |
| 05:14:20 | JdGordon|uni | i tried it a while ago and it wouldnt compile |
| 05:14:56 | saratoga | failing this i will look into that image |
| 05:16:07 | JdGordon|uni | if the firefox bookmarks are accessable over ssh I can get the link from here... |
| 05:16:19 | saratoga | if not just gtalk it to me whenever |
| 05:16:35 | saratoga | i'm not going to try and figure out how to run a virtual machine in ubuntu tonight anyway |
| 05:18:22 | JdGordon|uni | http://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/Windows_CE_build_instructions#Installing_to_WM_device |
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| 05:23:17 | saratoga | ubuntu's package manager has a pocketpc-binutils but no pocketpc-gcc |
| 05:23:22 | saratoga | i wonder if its included |
| 05:23:45 | JdGordon|uni | that vm is on a slower net connection than me ! 4 hours to download 227mb |
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| 05:34:11 | Llorean | saratoga: Did you check for cegcc? |
| 05:34:36 | * | Llorean sometimes thinks Ubuntu's packages don't have the most consistent names. |
| 05:37:49 | saratoga | Llorean: yeah its not there |
| 05:38:08 | saratoga | the ubuntu docs say theres a pocketpc-gcc but i can't get at it for whatever reason |
| 05:38:12 | JdGordon|uni | just download the pocketpc-gcc deb for a debian system |
| 05:38:24 | saratoga | from where? |
| 05:38:29 | JdGordon|uni | google |
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| 05:38:45 | Llorean | Maybe there's not a package for 8.04 yet or something. =/ |
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| 05:39:40 | saratoga | i'm not sure whats actually in that pocketpc-gcc package |
| 05:40:18 | JdGordon|uni | saratoga: have you had more luck removing the uisimulator/ dependancy from a regular build? |
| 05:40:25 | saratoga | but this svn checkout is ridiculous, its been running for almost 45 minutes |
| 05:40:50 | JdGordon|uni | it gets to over 800mb |
| 05:40:54 | saratoga | JdGordon|uni: no thats up next |
| 05:41:28 | saratoga | i haven't looked to carefully, but it hopefully won't be too bad |
| 05:42:17 | JdGordon|uni | my cegcc/ is 1.6GB |
| 05:42:26 | JdGordon|uni | so halve that because of svn overhead |
| 05:42:35 | saratoga | i wouldn't mind that at all if it'd tar before sending or something |
| 05:42:47 | saratoga | but doing it one file at a time is ridiculous |
| 05:43:04 | JdGordon|uni | you know where the svn patch tracker is :p |
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| 08:22:32 | Buschel | saratoga: (i've just read the logs) any problems with the GUI boost patch? or does it work for you? |
| 08:24:12 | * | Buschel would like to submit FS #9076 the next days |
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| 08:26:57 | Buschel | but I would like to have some opinions about removing the init of 2 pcf-registers for all ipod's (except video + nano) |
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| 08:28:16 | Buschel | imho the pcf's defaults should be fine for those players. furthermore i think that setting voltages, which we did not figure what they are used for, is no good idea |
| 08:29:11 | Buschel | with FS #9076 the battery runtime of iPod nano was increased by ~45min in battery benchs of a user |
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| 10:31:15 | JdGordon | whats %t ? |
| 10:32:31 | PaulJam_ | JdGordon: the time an alternating subline is shown. |
| 10:32:32 | * | JdGordon is confused by the 20gb h10 cabbie wps |
| 10:35:16 | pixelma | that would be an X5 wps too (or just 160x128x16) ;) |
| 10:35:47 | JdGordon | the next track lines are only shown if there is no AA? and its set as an alternating line but with nothing else? |
| 10:35:57 | JdGordon | %?C<%m|77||%ac>%t4Next Track: |
| 10:35:58 | JdGordon | %?C<%m|77||%ac>%s%t4t |
| 10:36:15 | PaulJam_ | i don't think the %t4 makes sense there |
| 10:37:37 | gibbon_ | hiho |
| 10:38:12 | gibbon_ | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9088 - thats what i commited to the flyspray patches page... its how far i got with my knowledge of rockbox |
| 10:39:06 | JdGordon | you need to follow the coding guidlines... |
| 10:39:18 | JdGordon | immeditaly obvious is the // style comments |
| 10:39:39 | JdGordon | and tab width |
| 10:39:55 | pixelma | JdGordon: that looks like something's missing in the wps and actually that wps shouldn't load. The 160x128x2 shows what it should look like |
| 10:39:57 | gibbon_ | will fixthis |
| 10:42:37 | pixelma | JdGordon: and I agree that the %t4 doesn't make sense there |
| 10:44:50 | pixelma | ah no I was wrong... the colour variant is correct and makes the line shorter without duplicating. |
| 10:46:25 | pixelma | needed some time to understand that myself but the album art conditional just says "use left margin when aa is present (left align is default so doesn't have to be specified) - or use the whole line center aligned if not" |
| 10:47:01 | pixelma | still the %t4 could be dropped IMO |
| 10:48:00 | pixelma | maybe it's used to force a refresh of the line which seems to be necessary sometimes |
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| 10:57:53 | JdGordon | pixelma: ah ok, thanks |
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| 11:01:53 | JdGordon | pixelma: this good for the next track line on those displays? %s%?It<%?Ia<a - |>t|%Fn> |
| 11:03:03 | pixelma | ? |
| 11:03:31 | PaulJam_ | JdGordon: could it be that your IDC client replaces "%I" with a spac3e? |
| 11:03:44 | PaulJam_ | *IRC |
| 11:04:34 | pixelma | or just drops everything that starts with %I |
| 11:04:51 | JdGordon | arg.. yeah looks like it tried italicizing the a |
| 11:05:01 | pixelma | hmm... no |
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| 11:05:09 | JdGordon | %s%?It<%?Ia<a - |>t|%Fn> |
| 11:05:12 | JdGordon | bah |
| 11:06:02 | JdGordon | %s%?It<%?Ia<a - |>t|%Fn> |
| 11:06:05 | JdGordon | FFS! |
| 11:06:26 | PaulJam_ | i guess: %s%?It<%?Ia<%Ia - |>%It|%Fn> |
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| 11:06:29 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.ca/1045849 |
| 11:06:37 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 11:06:49 | JdGordon | instead of just the track name or filename |
| 11:07:45 | pixelma | understood, guess that's more of a design decision though which I don't want to do because cabbiev2 is not my design... |
| 11:08:32 | JdGordon | ok, ill put it in and see if anyone notices :p |
| 11:09:13 | JdGordon | btw, http://pastebin.ca/1045850 shows why being able to use - in the viewport definitions is great |
| 11:09:40 | pixelma | the line is more likely to scroll of course and some people don't like that. I like it displaying the filename instead of the title track if that's not present, I use it myself too :) |
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| 11:10:19 | JdGordon | arg.. yeah, I should probably not fiddle with it... ok changing it back |
| 11:11:06 | pixelma | s/track/tag btw. |
| 11:11:42 | PaulJam_ | JdGordon: what dimensions will the viewport have if you leave away the width and height? |
| 11:11:53 | JdGordon | the rest of the screen |
| 11:12:01 | pixelma | it's a little cryptic... |
| 11:12:26 | JdGordon | no way... /me likey :p |
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| 11:14:21 | JdGordon | it also means that you dont need to change 2 numbers if you want to move the viewport |
| 11:14:47 | PaulJam_ | JdGordon: i thought overlapping viewports that are shown at the same time are evil. |
| 11:15:09 | pixelma | the - is hard to read and understand. I have no idea how the screen is used in that example |
| 11:15:31 | JdGordon | PaulJam_: not if nothing is displayed in the extra area |
| 11:17:17 | pixelma | even hard to understand in the colours part. Just an idea: what if one could specify "background" or "foreground" colour there? |
| 11:19:41 | JdGordon | you really want to type the whole word each time? |
| 11:19:57 | * | JdGordon doesnt think - is really so hard to understand |
| 11:20:08 | JdGordon | of course, you have to remember the param order first though |
| 11:21:12 | pixelma | no I don't want to type the whole word all the time, only didn't come up with a shortened form right now. |
| 11:22:10 | PaulJam_ | JdGordon: another thing, if i understood it correctly, then the viewports shown on condition a should cover the same space that the viewports for condition b cover. so shouldn't you make an extra viewport for the albumart that covers the remaining space of the non-AA viewport? |
| 11:23:14 | JdGordon | usually... yes.. but AA isnt going to disappear during a track, and its fully redrawn at atrack change so its safe |
| 11:23:18 | pixelma | JdGordon: it is hard to understand especially if you read other people's wps (or try to understand your own wps after you've left it for a few months). I'll probably never use - for width and height |
| 11:27:05 | JdGordon | PaulJam_: ah, no.. the covers that space... |
| 11:28:12 | PaulJam_ | i have the impression there is something missing in that sentence. |
| 11:29:25 | JdGordon | AA |
| 11:29:35 | JdGordon | <percent>C got taken out |
| 11:29:43 | * | JdGordon curses konversation |
| 11:30:11 | JdGordon | %C test |
| 11:30:13 | JdGordon | yay :) |
| 11:30:18 | JdGordon | found the bloody option |
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| 11:41:19 | pixelma | an hooray for those k...de programs that are trying to be smarter than the user by default. kate, konversation ;) |
| 11:52:16 | preglow | hahaha |
| 11:52:27 | preglow | why would it do that |
| 11:55:25 | JdGordon | coz its bloody stupid |
| 11:56:05 | JdGordon | its for the script kiddies who somehow unbelivably managed to install linux and miss mirc |
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| 12:42:35 | ikari | hi. is it possible to switch from ipodlinux-bootloader2 to rockbox bootloader? |
| 12:43:05 | JdGordon | just install our bootloader with either rbutil or ipodpatcher |
| 12:43:23 | ikari | i got ipodpatcher from ipodlinux |
| 12:43:29 | ikari | and i used it |
| 12:43:57 | ikari | do i need a different version of it? |
| 12:44:20 | JdGordon | grab the bootloader for your ipod from http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ and use it with ippodpatcher |
| 12:44:36 | * | JdGordon doesnt remember which switch to use though |
| 12:44:39 | ikari | thank you very much :) |
| 12:45:45 | * | PaulJam_ reccommends the manual for installation instructions. |
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| 13:01:34 | GodEater | our copy of ipodpatcher has all our bootloaders built into it, you don't need to download the bootloaders seperately |
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| 13:46:34 | dionoea | gibbon_: you bipped me about audio in the sim ... but I've never worked on that so I don't know how I could have been of any help :) |
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| 14:16:55 | gibbon_ | dionoea: you were anyway, there were some things about the callback you told me iirc |
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| 14:24:07 | dionoea | gibbon_: hum ... ok . If you way so :) (I doubt it though) |
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| 14:27:20 | gibbon_ | something else then? |
| 14:27:26 | gibbon_ | nevermind, then |
| 14:30:36 | pixelma | why are the attachments on the wike WebHome reappearing once more? |
| 14:30:46 | pixelma | s/wike/wiki |
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| 14:35:53 | B4gder | it's a mystery |
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| 14:41:29 | gibbon_ | dionoea: you pointed out DEBUGF ... so i may have confused you with someone else some hours later ;) |
| 14:42:01 | dionoea | :) |
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| 15:09:36 | gibbon_ | i just (think i) corrected the code formating according to http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/docs/CONTRIBUTING |
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| 15:11:39 | gibbon_ | is there anything else i should look for? |
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| 15:26:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | gibbon_: Want to pastebin some of your code for review? |
| 15:29:36 | gibbon_ | LambdaCalculus37: i wanted to upload it to the flyspray id, then i am finished with some minor tweaks in a minute |
| 15:31:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | gibbon_: Okay, no problem. |
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| 15:34:29 | gibbon_ | LambdaCalculus37: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9088 attached to first comment |
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| 15:34:57 | gibbon_ | when splitting codelines i was unsure if there was some policy, too... i just did it in a way that made sense to me |
| 15:35:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | gibbon_: Wow! Nice idea for a plugin! :) |
| 15:35:42 | gibbon_ | thanks |
| 15:35:52 | gibbon_ | it even already works on my sansa |
| 15:36:06 | gibbon_ | working on it for two days, having only minor experience with c... |
| 15:36:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'll be glad to test it for you, but I forgot my laptop today so I can't compile a build right now. |
| 15:36:12 | gibbon_ | i was surprised... |
| 15:37:30 | gibbon_ | the features are still... well ... ehm ... limited |
| 15:38:52 | gibbon_ | i want to implement "morsing from file" and some mode where you get a char and must decide which one of two (that are displayed) it is... |
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| 15:39:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | gibbon_: Heh... would be useful for HAM radio. :) |
| 15:39:40 | gibbon_ | training at least... thats what i wrote it for |
| 15:40:03 | gibbon_ | and i have to implement some tuning of the frequency.. |
| 15:40:10 | gibbon_ | currently thats not possible |
| 15:40:21 | * | amiconn wonders why that plugin reinvents several wheels, so to say |
| 15:40:51 | gibbon_ | amiconn: point at them and they are gone |
| 15:40:56 | amiconn | len_zeroterm() -> rb->strlen() |
| 15:41:14 | amiconn | rcw_clean_buffer() -> rb->memset() |
| 15:41:56 | gibbon_ | will fix that, too |
| 15:43:50 | amiconn | This plugin should also be possible on hwcodec |
| 15:43:59 | amiconn | That's a separate step, of course |
| 15:44:35 | gibbon_ | amiconn: yes, i read metronome.c ... it uses some kind of static mp3 snippet from ram, right? |
| 15:46:35 | * | JdGordon stumbles and trips over everyone... |
| 15:46:44 | * | JdGordon punches gevaerts for pushing me |
| 15:47:03 | * | gevaerts falls over |
| 15:47:09 | wpyh | well, ok so we should continue here |
| 15:47:13 | gibbon_ | amiconn: the strlen returns size_t ... how far is it from an integer? |
| 15:47:59 | wpyh | Nico_P: the database can run in the background, just like battery_ bench |
| 15:48:21 | Nico_P | I don't see the point of doing that |
| 15:48:33 | gevaerts | How does the database get its memory ? Does it use bufalloc() ? |
| 15:48:48 | dionoea | gibbon_: size_t is unsigned integer |
| 15:48:52 | wpyh | that would be a good idea, using bufalloc() |
| 15:48:52 | dionoea | ssize_t is signed |
| 15:49:16 | gibbon_ | dionoea: thanks |
| 15:49:30 | wpyh | Nico_P: I think it's not the objective, it's just the way to make the db a plugin |
| 15:49:40 | Nico_P | gevaerts: no, I think it uses buffer_alloc, which is not the same |
| 15:49:56 | Nico_P | bufalloc is not meant for that sort of thing, it's higher level |
| 15:50:03 | wpyh | oh.. |
| 15:50:40 | Nico_P | the buffering API (not bufalloc, but its cousins) is used to buffer audio files during playback |
| 15:50:42 | * | wpyh thinks all those buf.*alloc things will go away if we have malloc, but that's out of the question |
| 15:50:50 | JdGordon | Nico_P: by the way... how safe is bufalloc? does it keep moving around the buffer so as long as you keep getting the address before accessing it your safe "for ever"? |
| 15:51:22 | * | LambdaCalculus37 whips out a cricket bat with wpyh's name on it |
| 15:51:31 | wpyh | if we can make the db a plugin then run it in the background, it won't create JdGordon's issue #1 : "1) cant use another plugin while in the db" |
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| 15:51:47 | * | wpyh wonders what he did wrong... |
| 15:51:54 | Nico_P | JdGordon: using bufgetdata to get the pointer protects you from the moving, yeah. the data won't disappear until you call bufclose on it |
| 15:51:57 | JdGordon | only 1 plugin buffer... so you can only run 1 plugin at a time |
| 15:52:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | malloc bad... bufalloc good... |
| 15:52:12 | gevaerts | Correct me if I'm wrong, but could (assuming that playback is stopped or paused) buffer_alloc() force a flush and re-buffer, thereby avoiding having to reboot ? |
| 15:52:16 | JdGordon | Nico_P: so in effect.. you have snuck malloc in? |
| 15:52:36 | wpyh | JdGordon: um... maybe we can make multiple plugin buffers then? |
| 15:52:39 | Nico_P | JdGordon: sort of :) it's even used in picture flow |
| 15:52:49 | JdGordon | gevaerts: yes, and its been agreed that thats not a big deal in certain situations... its just not done |
| 15:52:57 | wpyh | LambdaCalculus37: yeah, so malloc is out of the question... |
| 15:53:06 | JdGordon | wpyh: then you lose the benefit of moving it out of the core |
| 15:53:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | wpyh: Remember, GodEater has torches and pitchforks. :) |
| 15:53:34 | Nico_P | JdGordon: it's basically malloc with the audio buffer as a pool |
| 15:53:51 | * | GodEater denies owning torches or pitchforks |
| 15:53:53 | gevaerts | JdGordon: ok, so I assume that _if_ we want to get rid of the reboot, that would be the way to go |
| 15:54:00 | JdGordon | yes |
| 15:54:04 | wpyh | well, the main benefit of moving it out of the core I think is that it can reload itself without having to reboot |
| 15:54:07 | JdGordon | databse and dircache |
| 15:54:27 | amiconn | gibbon_: Yes. In case of the morse beeps, it could use a single mp3 frame and repeat it as needed |
| 15:54:54 | JdGordon | gevaerts: except.. if you enable it, then disable, you cant get that ram back.... reenabling would get wasteful very quickly |
| 15:55:31 | JdGordon | IIRC there was some talk on adding a mechnism to make all buffer_alloc() users dump and reload their data so this wouldnt be a problem |
| 15:55:40 | gevaerts | JdGordon: you could disable while keeping track of the memory allocation, so you need to reboot if you want to disable _and_ reclaim the memory |
| 15:55:44 | amiconn | Adding the mas pcm codec to the core (another open task) will open another possibility: just using pcm like on swcodec. This would exclude the Player though. |
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| 15:56:31 | JdGordon | gevaerts: yes, but you may need more ram when you renable it |
| 15:56:47 | JdGordon | bassically.. its not worth the effort |
| 15:57:22 | * | wpyh wonders (quietly) if softmmu is feasible |
| 15:57:24 | gevaerts | What does ram use depend on, and how does updating the database work around that ? |
| 15:57:56 | JdGordon | for ramcache? (db in ram?) |
| 15:58:18 | gevaerts | For everything that uses buffer_alloc |
| 15:59:38 | JdGordon | first example from find is filetypes.c uses it as a string storage instead of statically allocating it which would be either wasteful or possibly not enough |
| 15:59:46 | amiconn | wpyh: Certainly not. The main problem with malloc() is that it needs free ram (the malloc buffer) to allocate from |
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| 16:00:04 | amiconn | In rockbox, we want to use as much ram as possible for the main buffer |
| 16:00:10 | JdGordon | the playlist and filetree buffers are both buffer_Alloced() |
| 16:01:50 | wpyh | yeah... that's one thing |
| 16:02:01 | * | wpyh goes to the bathroom to think over this problem |
| 16:02:03 | * | gevaerts will remember the buf_alloc() thing for if/when he does usb audio |
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| 16:03:39 | JdGordon | gevaerts: depending how much you need... the plugin buffer would be better to steal |
| 16:04:05 | gibbon_ | amiconn: did anything else come to mind that should be fixed about that code? |
| 16:04:42 | gevaerts | JdGordon: that's the other option, but I'd like to leave the thing as functional as possible |
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| 16:06:50 | Nico_P | gevaerts: buf_alloc() is a mix between bufalloc() and buffer_alloc() :) |
| 16:07:05 | JdGordon | using buf_alloc isnt a great idea... you cant free it.... what might be better is allowing the end of the audio buffer to be brought forward (Would need a rebuffer but meh), only allowing 1 thing to move the end would make it relativl safe and recoverable |
| 16:07:14 | JdGordon | and the buffer wouldnt move like buf_Alloc() would |
| 16:08:53 | gevaerts | That would work |
| 16:09:46 | gevaerts | It could also be useful for MTP. You could probably do the writes pretty directly from a small static buffer, but performance really increases if the buffer grows |
| 16:10:25 | JdGordon | MTP would allow you to keep listening while its connected yeah? |
| 16:10:46 | gevaerts | It should. It works at file (and database, if we want to) level |
| 16:11:51 | * | gevaerts should really read a bit more about MTP, so he can get rid of the 'should's and 'may's |
| 16:13:10 | JdGordon | not to be rude... but... MSC mode? still no clue how to fix the problems? |
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| 16:14:26 | gevaerts | No, unfortunately |
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| 16:18:50 | Nico_P | gevaerts: have you been able to try the validation you mentioned ? |
| 16:19:12 | gevaerts | The ramdisk ? Yes, no change (but great speed) |
| 16:19:37 | Nico_P | oh so it's not at ATA level? |
| 16:20:23 | Nico_P | but actually I was thinking of something I recall you mentionong... a kind of validation test against the spec, that you could get done through someone you know |
| 16:22:26 | gevaerts | The electrical tests ? I can't figure out how to put the controller in test mode |
| 16:23:44 | Nico_P | that's probably what I recalled |
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| 16:29:11 | saratoga | i'm trying to build cegcc, but i get a syntax error in the build script |
| 16:29:21 | saratoga | ubuntu should be able to run a .sh shell script right? |
| 16:29:39 | JdGordon | yes |
| 16:29:40 | Nico_P | yes, it should |
| 16:29:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | Of course. :) |
| 16:29:46 | JdGordon | but that doesnt get it much further |
| 16:30:01 | * | JdGordon rereads |
| 16:30:05 | JdGordon | run it with sh |
| 16:30:14 | JdGordon | not in bas |
| 16:30:15 | JdGordon | h |
| 16:30:36 | Nico_P | I think the default is dash |
| 16:32:59 | saratoga | doesn't seem to matter, i still get the same syntax error |
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| 16:36:16 | wpyh | DerPapst: did you have a problem with FAT32 formatting using mkfs.vfat? |
| 16:36:28 | DerPapst | yes. |
| 16:36:45 | DerPapst | but only where the sectorsize is larger than 512bytes |
| 16:36:52 | DerPapst | i.e. 5.5G iPods |
| 16:37:05 | wpyh | ok... |
| 16:37:09 | wpyh | I'm going to try it now |
| 16:37:16 | wpyh | what problems did you have? |
| 16:37:26 | wpyh | I'm using a cf card on my 5.5g with mkfs.vfat without problems |
| 16:37:56 | DerPapst | rockbox refused to read anything from the hdd, iPL worked fine and the OF refused to write files |
| 16:38:23 | wpyh | in my case,rockbox loads fine |
| 16:38:28 | wpyh | didn't try ipl |
| 16:38:38 | wpyh | what do you mean by "the OF refused to write files"? |
| 16:39:49 | DerPapst | it was possible to read files but several functions didn't work "normally". iirc updating OTG-Playlists, Playcount, etc |
| 16:40:16 | wpyh | um... |
| 16:40:23 | wpyh | was linux able to mount the device normally? |
| 16:41:02 | DerPapst | yup. read/write worked fine |
| 16:41:32 | wpyh | ok... weird |
| 16:41:39 | wpyh | did you use the "-S 2048" switch? |
| 16:42:38 | DerPapst | yes |
| 16:42:55 | wpyh | well.. ok I'll try it with my 80GB drive |
| 16:43:06 | wpyh | I suspect it's not the 2048 sector problem, but the 1024 sector problem |
| 16:44:00 | DerPapst | heh.. my fat partition still thinks it's 1GB larger than it really is ;) |
| 16:45:33 | wpyh | how come? |
| 16:45:41 | wpyh | isn't it already 70GB+? |
| 16:47:51 | wpyh | how do you know it thinks it's 1gb larger ? |
| 16:48:15 | saratoga | could someone help me out with using alien to install a package in ubuntu? |
| 16:49:17 | * | pixelma suggests asking that in the other channel |
| 16:49:25 | DerPapst | wpyh: i creaded a 1GB parititon at the end of the hdd for iPL and didn't reformat the fat32 partiiton. so the mbr disagreas with the fat superblock ;) |
| 16:49:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: Sure, hop in to #rockbox-community |
| 16:49:52 | wpyh | oh |
| 16:50:00 | wpyh | is that the source of your troubles then? |
| 16:50:14 | saratoga | can the web client do that? |
| 16:50:25 | pixelma | yes |
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| 16:50:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: Yeah, I used to do it all the time. |
| 16:50:48 | * | GodEater still thinks regular webclient users would be better off with mibbit |
| 16:51:46 | saratoga | actually i think this package isn't going to work regardless due to 64 bit issues |
| 16:52:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: If you hop into the community channel, I can help you out. |
| 16:52:45 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is a sysadmin, after all. |
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| 16:55:37 | wpyh | DerPapst: let's see... |
| 16:55:51 | wpyh | I've reformatted my fat32 partition using mkfs.vfat |
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| 16:58:53 | wpyh | DerPapst: I get even weirder results with mformat.. |
| 16:59:21 | DerPapst | you mean mtools? |
| 16:59:24 | DerPapst | yes... |
| 16:59:50 | wpyh | so, how did you format it? Windows? |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:15 | DerPapst | i didn't that's my fat32 partition thinks it's 1gb larger ;) |
| 17:01:40 | wpyh | um... |
| 17:01:54 | wpyh | but you said you were having problems with mkfs.vfat? |
| 17:01:57 | wpyh | how did you solve it? |
| 17:02:02 | wpyh | I don't understand... |
| 17:02:24 | DerPapst | i restored it parititoned it and "forgot" to reformat the fat32 partition |
| 17:03:09 | wpyh | can you please post the output of "file -Ls /dev/sdb2" (or whatever is that partition)? |
| 17:04:03 | DerPapst | no, i can't because i have no linux box here right now :P |
| 17:04:12 | wpyh | ok.. |
| 17:04:17 | wpyh | please do it when you have time |
| 17:04:30 | DerPapst | ok |
| 17:04:30 | wpyh | mine is here: http://pastebin.com/f75a63bac |
| 17:04:41 | wpyh | can you spot the differences? |
| 17:04:52 | wpyh | I mean between the original partition, mkfs.vfat and mformat? |
| 17:05:02 | wpyh | I think mformat gets the most fatal error |
| 17:05:18 | wpyh | but strangely I can mount it on Linux |
| 17:06:31 | DerPapst | i guess mine matches your first. |
| 17:06:58 | wpyh | well, the first one is the original ipod partition... |
| 17:07:12 | wpyh | not mkfs.vfat or mformat... |
| 17:07:27 | DerPapst | i only touched the MBR and not the second partition. so this is what itunes creates. |
| 17:08:00 | wpyh | yes, it must be what itunes did |
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| 17:09:38 | wpyh | so, I have OF and some music on my 5.5g, formatted with mkfs.vfat |
| 17:09:46 | wpyh | what should I do to reproduce your problem? |
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| 17:11:33 | DerPapst | well several features didn'T work and itunes complained too iirc. try OTG-Playlists, playcounts, alarm, hibernation... everything that writes to the disk |
| 17:12:08 | wpyh | ok, the playlists work fine |
| 17:12:13 | wpyh | the otg playlist also does work fine |
| 17:12:24 | wpyh | hibernation... how do I do that (I'm new to ipods) |
| 17:12:52 | DerPapst | well you wait 18 hours without touching the iPod :P |
| 17:13:28 | DerPapst | have you connected the iPod to itunes after creating an OTG playlists? so it converts it into a real one? |
| 17:14:04 | wpyh | no, what I did was save the otg playlist as a normal one, so it creates a "New Playlist 1" |
| 17:14:22 | wpyh | oh, _that_ hibernation... maybe I don't have that patience :p |
| 17:14:32 | wpyh | I don't have itunes btw |
| 17:14:33 | wpyh | :p |
| 17:14:42 | DerPapst | it's ok. ;) |
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| 17:15:35 | wpyh | so... judging from the created playlists, does it mean the OF can write to the disk fine? |
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| 17:16:16 | DerPapst | seems so ;) |
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| 17:16:41 | wpyh | uh... then mkfs.vfat has no problems |
| 17:16:47 | wpyh | shall I update the wiki? ;) |
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| 17:17:55 | DerPapst | yup.. if it works, why not :) maybe keep the old info though. |
| 17:18:07 | wpyh | yes, I'll keep the old info |
| 17:18:09 | wpyh | and uh |
| 17:18:22 | wpyh | how about merging IpodManualRestore and ConversionToFat32? |
| 17:20:04 | DerPapst | well, i'm not a big contributor to the rockbox wiki so i don't know. but i guess they're pretty similar.... |
| 17:20:16 | wpyh | OK then |
| 17:20:23 | wpyh | maybe we can ask the devs |
| 17:21:30 | gevaerts | I would think twice before merging them. One is for Mac users who are used to itunes, the other is for people who don't want to see itunes up close |
| 17:22:44 | wpyh | gevaerts: the "Manual Restore" part of ConversionToFAT32 is similar to IpodManualRestore |
| 17:23:03 | wpyh | so similar, that in fact I think they are some kind of knowledge duplication |
| 17:23:07 | gevaerts | That's true. |
| 17:23:26 | wpyh | yeah, so let's merge it, no? |
| 17:23:42 | scorche | they could be linked, i suppose, but i would rather keep them separate...it is much easier to point someone at a page of instructions to do rather than say "do this, but not this, etc" |
| 17:24:02 | scorche | for support matters |
| 17:24:04 | gevaerts | Maybe restrict the ConversionToFAT32 to the 'use windows/itunes' bit, and refer to IpodManualRestore for the manual conversion ? |
| 17:24:20 | wpyh | ok... |
| 17:24:33 | wpyh | gevaerts: good idea |
| 17:24:55 | wpyh | but as I see it now, ConversionToFAT32 looks like it's written for OS X users |
| 17:24:58 | wpyh | like you said :) |
| 17:25:38 | gevaerts | Then (if I'm not mistaken) the only difference is the need to restore the apple firmware, so that's only one conditional (and if someone does that when it's not needed, it's not that bad) |
| 17:25:45 | wpyh | But I can easily imagine what I would write there |
| 17:25:51 | wpyh | yeah |
| 17:26:27 | wpyh | the steps would be 1. unmount the ipod, 2. write a new partition table, 3. write a new firmware, 4. format the new partition |
| 17:26:44 | wpyh | then in each step we can branch for a) OSX, b) linux |
| 17:27:05 | gevaerts | And 3 is optional |
| 17:27:16 | wpyh | yes |
| 17:27:27 | wpyh | We can keep the pages separate |
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| 17:27:50 | wpyh | but direct users who want the manual way (in IpodConversionToFAT32) to IpodManualRestore |
| 17:27:53 | wpyh | how about that? |
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| 17:28:46 | gevaerts | That's what I would do, yes |
| 17:29:07 | wpyh | ok, I'll try to implement it |
| 17:31:04 | * | linuxstb thinks the page for Mac users needs to be left as a page for Mac users... |
| 17:31:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: But should we label it as such? |
| 17:31:50 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: Sure. |
| 17:32:19 | linuxstb | wpyh: Also, what are you planning to change about mkfs.vfat? Has it been shown to work with an 80GB disk? |
| 17:32:32 | wpyh | linuxstb: yes, please see the logs |
| 17:32:37 | wpyh | it works fine with the OF |
| 17:32:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Which page is it? |
| 17:33:11 | * | wpyh thinks it's this one: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 17:33:13 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: I'm talking about IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 17:34:52 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinks that it should be "iPod Conversion to FAT32 under MacOS X" |
| 17:36:03 | wpyh | well, what about us linux users? |
| 17:36:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | wpyh: The commands are slightly different. |
| 17:36:54 | wpyh | LambdaCalculus37: yes, that's why I propose adding a branch at each step: a) for linux, do xxx , b) for osx, do yyy |
| 17:37:12 | linuxstb | wpyh: Why did you change "require linux" to "these instructions have been tested on linux" on the IpodManualRestore page? Where else will they work? |
| 17:38:10 | wpyh | linuxstb: wouldn't it work on freebsd and such as (quoting miss teen south carolina :p) |
| 17:38:40 | wpyh | the device names would be a little different, but you get the ida |
| 17:38:42 | wpyh | *idea |
| 17:38:49 | linuxstb | "get the idea" isn't the same... |
| 17:39:00 | wpyh | yeah, I probably should make it clearer |
| 17:39:35 | wpyh | any *bsd users around here? |
| 17:40:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | wpyh: And Mac OS X counts. :) |
| 17:40:44 | wpyh | yeah, that too |
| 17:41:05 | wpyh | I don't know much about OSX though, so I can't say much :p |
| 17:41:31 | wpyh | so what I'm proposing now is |
| 17:42:09 | wpyh | the IpodManualRestore will contain instructions for Linux and OSX (taken from IpodConversionToFAT32), to manually restore / convert it into a winpod |
| 17:42:32 | linuxstb | wpyh: Converting to a winpod isn't the same as manually restoring. For conversion, you don't need to copy the firmware. |
| 17:42:56 | wpyh | the IpodConversionToFAT32 contains the "easy way" , and the section "Manual Conversion" will direct users to the page IpodManualRestore |
| 17:43:05 | wpyh | linuxstb: yes, and that part will be marked as optional |
| 17:43:20 | wpyh | and I'll explain that that step is not needed for manually restoring the ipod |
| 17:43:30 | wpyh | I mean for converting the ipod |
| 17:43:34 | linuxstb | wpyh: I just think the instructions are confusing enough for users, and the fewer options and choices users need to make, the better. |
| 17:43:41 | linuxstb | Which is why there is a page specifically for Mac users. |
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| 17:44:14 | wpyh | linuxstb: you may be right there |
| 17:44:26 | wpyh | but what I see is just duplication of contents |
| 17:44:33 | linuxstb | e.g. you're already adding many options (dd or cat) to the IpodManualRestore page, which adds nothing... |
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| 17:45:01 | wpyh | that dd/cat part can go :p |
| 17:45:12 | wpyh | I personally like the "cat" but I realize it can't be done under sudo |
| 17:45:24 | wpyh | I hope we never have to write instructions for sudo :p |
| 17:47:27 | gevaerts | wpyh: I fully agree about the duplication. I didn't see the mformat on IpodManualRestore, so I only fixed it on IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 17:48:06 | wpyh | it's on this line: For 5.5G iPods (with 2048-byte sectors): mformat -S 2048 -M 2048 -F DRIVE_LETTER: |
| 17:48:44 | wpyh | and by the way my mkfs.vfat formatted partition works with OF and RB |
| 17:48:48 | gevaerts | Ah yes. That one doesn't specify the sectors per track, so it isn't confused |
| 17:48:48 | wpyh | dunno about ipl |
| 17:49:15 | wpyh | actually, I was a bit confused with mformat |
| 17:49:25 | wpyh | which is why I investigated mkfs.vfat, and found no problems with it |
| 17:49:39 | wpyh | and that is why I queried DerPapst about the problem |
| 17:50:27 | linuxstb | But that still leaves us with a problem for Mac users - mkfs.vfat isn't there.... |
| 17:51:01 | wpyh | linuxstb: we can let osx users use mformat and linux users use mkfs.vfat |
| 17:51:08 | wpyh | mkfs.vfat is WAY simpler to use |
| 17:51:23 | linuxstb | wpyh: Sure. Another reason to keep the instructions separate though... |
| 17:51:52 | gevaerts | Or we can wait until the ipodpatcher author writes 2048 byte sector support ;) |
| 17:52:54 | wpyh | gevaerts: I thought ipodpatcher has got nothing to do with formatting the partition? |
| 17:53:28 | wpyh | linuxstb: we can split the instructions early: A) for osx users, do 1. 2. 3. 4., B) for linux users, do 1. 2. 3. 4. |
| 17:53:32 | DerPapst | ipodpatcher can format partitions |
| 17:53:50 | wpyh | this will duplicate some information, but it will be minimal |
| 17:53:56 | wpyh | DerPapst: I didn't know that.. |
| 17:54:11 | * | wpyh just noticed the "-f −−format" option |
| 17:54:16 | DerPapst | but only 512bytes/sector |
| 17:54:22 | wpyh | well, maybe we can take matters into our own hands :D |
| 17:54:42 | wpyh | and modify ipodpatcher behind the author's back :D |
| 17:54:47 | wpyh | (as long as we don't break it) |
| 17:54:50 | * | linuxstb turns away |
| 17:55:09 | wpyh | linuxstb: huh? |
| 17:55:20 | DerPapst | heh |
| 17:55:22 | gevaerts | wpyh: guess who the author is |
| 17:55:33 | wpyh | Dave Chapman |
| 17:55:35 | wpyh | who's that? |
| 17:55:36 | wpyh | oh |
| 17:55:41 | wpyh | linuxstb? :O |
| 17:55:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yep. :) |
| 17:55:44 | DerPapst | now guess who linuxstb is |
| 17:55:49 | wpyh | uh...... |
| 17:55:53 | wpyh | sorry |
| 17:55:53 | DerPapst | hehehehe |
| 17:55:54 | wpyh | :p |
| 17:56:19 | * | wpyh wonders how to transform LINUXSTB into DCHAPMAN |
| 17:56:21 | * | pixelma points wpyh to the IrcNicks page ;) |
| 17:56:32 | wpyh | pixelms: let's see.. |
| 17:56:35 | wpyh | *pixelma |
| 17:56:40 | linuxstb | Or just query my nick in your IRC client... |
| 17:57:08 | wpyh | oh, it says "Real name: Dave Chapman" |
| 17:57:08 | pixelma | or a /whois |
| 17:57:25 | wpyh | ok, thanks :P |
| 17:58:19 | linuxstb | wpyh: But I would be very happy if somebody added 2048-byte formatting support for ipodpatcher.... |
| 17:58:29 | wpyh | so... linuxstb aka Dave Chapman, is there a problem with 2048-byte support in ipodpatcher? |
| 17:58:29 | linuxstb | And then finished the "−−convert" option... |
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| 17:58:58 | * | wpyh goes to add himself to the IrcNicks page |
| 17:59:03 | linuxstb | wpyh: The formatting function only handles 512-byte sectors, so will refuse to format anything else. |
| 17:59:14 | wpyh | does "−−convert" mean convert to a winpod? |
| 17:59:15 | linuxstb | (the code was taken from fat32format.exe) |
| 17:59:29 | wpyh | linuxstb: maybe we can copy code from mkfs.vfat |
| 17:59:35 | wpyh | I'll put another TODO item :p |
| 17:59:39 | linuxstb | wpyh: Yes. But that's not been tested very well, so I'm not 100% sure it works. Which is why it's not publicised. |
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| 18:00:45 | wpyh | maybe if we advertise it as "can convert any ipod into a winpod" then we'd get more testing? |
| 18:02:09 | * | linuxstb needs to go home |
| 18:02:24 | wpyh | bye... |
| 18:02:33 | wpyh | is there any consensus on the wiki pages, btw? |
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| 18:19:07 | wpyh | anyone? |
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| 18:20:43 | Buschel | far less than half present −− Germany is playing right now (UEFA) |
| 18:21:11 | wpyh | ah, no wonder |
| 18:21:11 | wpyh | :p |
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| 18:26:36 | wpyh | well, I guess I'll wait for a consensus / decision from the devs then |
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| 18:33:11 | PRINCESS_FLUFF | Hi, I program a bit in Java, and I keep thinking I'd like to be able to code for stuff like rockbox or zsnes (a super nintendo emulator), and maybe other projects, or even my own projects... What stuff do I need to study to get into this? Just C programming? Or Assembler and some other stuff too? |
| 18:33:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | For Rockbox, most everything is in C. |
| 18:34:01 | saratoga | Buschel: I don't get any real improvement using SSO in MAD |
| 18:34:15 | PRINCESS_FLUFF | When you want to support a new player, do you need to build in some interface code in Assembler or something like that? |
| 18:34:33 | saratoga | i looked it up in the ARM7 manual, and the SMULAL is only 1 clock slower then MLA anyway |
| 18:34:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | No, assembler is used for platform-specific performance bits. |
| 18:34:36 | PRINCESS_FLUFF | And is it just "the c programming language" or some libraries as well? |
| 18:34:43 | PRINCESS_FLUFF | oh |
| 18:34:51 | PRINCESS_FLUFF | I thought assembler was what everything used |
| 18:34:55 | saratoga | so the whole idea of the SSO is probably pointless on ARM7 |
| 18:35:05 | PRINCESS_FLUFF | ie. comptatible with everything |
| 18:35:42 | saratoga | assembler is the least compatable choice |
| 18:35:55 | saratoga | it only runs on the CPU platform its written in |
| 18:36:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | PRINCESS_FLUFF: Think of assembler as programming in the CPU's DNA. |
| 18:36:07 | PRINCESS_FLUFF | Okay |
| 18:36:20 | saratoga | or better yet see wikipedia and lookup what it is |
| 18:36:27 | PRINCESS_FLUFF | When they talk about "chipsets", that's the set of assembly thingies that work with that motherboard or cpu right? |
| 18:36:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | Chipsets are the chips used to design a computer. |
| 18:36:58 | saratoga | its usually just the chip connected most closely to the CPU, whatever that may be |
| 18:38:40 | PRINCESS_FLUFF | ok thank you |
| 18:38:58 | saratoga | Buschel: unfortunately, that leaves me with no idea how to make MAD any faster |
| 18:39:38 | saratoga | short of coming up with some kind of algorithmic improvement to the decoder |
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| 18:39:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | PRINCESS_FLUFF: If you really want to learn C, I suggest picking up the book "The C Programming Language" by Brian Kerrighan and Dennis Ritchie. |
| 18:40:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | Also, download the Rockbox source, and look through it to see how C is structured. |
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| 18:45:53 | PRINCESS_FLUFF | LambdaCalculus37: thank you, I asked someone in #c a while ago and ordered that same book since |
| 18:46:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | PRINCESS_FLUFF: There's also plenty of free information online. |
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| 18:46:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | Trust me, once you get the hang of C, you'll find it's a rather easy language to work with. |
| 18:47:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | But like I said, get the Rockbox source; it's the best information you can get. |
| 18:47:24 | PRINCESS_FLUFF | I already know java and did a bit of C++ a few years ago... is it accurate to say that C is at most as complicated as C++ minus some features? |
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| 18:48:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | C is less complicated, but enough about the programming languages, since it's off-topic. |
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| 18:51:03 | PRINCESS_FLUFF | Ok |
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| 18:59:19 | gibbon_ | for now, FS #9088 contains every suggestion i got so far... |
| 18:59:58 | gibbon_ | i tested it to build on ipod mini and sansa c200 for now... if anyone interested could also test, that would be great. |
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| 19:06:33 | dionoea | Oo they have unicode chars in morse? |
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| 19:12:32 | dionoea | gibbon_: why don't you use 'a' in your code instead of 0x61? (same thing for all the chars) |
| 19:13:04 | dionoea | in your case conversion and validation functions |
| 19:13:35 | gibbon_ | as a reminder that i deal with them as numbers |
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| 19:13:53 | gibbon_ | " 'a' - 0x20 " looks kind of odd to me |
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| 19:15:24 | dionoea | - ('a' - 'A') |
| 19:16:04 | * | dionoea needs to try this plugin out ... so he can send an SOS next time he's near a radio |
| 19:16:29 | wpyh | hi |
| 19:16:37 | wpyh | rockbox has just kinda locked up |
| 19:16:44 | wpyh | it doesn't respond to button press |
| 19:16:51 | DerPapst | iPod? |
| 19:16:58 | wpyh | doesn't do anything when the cable is plugged in |
| 19:16:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | MENU+SELECT until it reboots. |
| 19:17:00 | wpyh | yes, ipod 5.5g |
| 19:17:06 | wpyh | yep, that's what I did |
| 19:17:12 | wpyh | problem is, I can't reproduce the situation |
| 19:17:15 | wpyh | any ideas? |
| 19:17:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | What were you doing? |
| 19:17:46 | wpyh | (something completely unrelated) playing around with the skin |
| 19:17:55 | wpyh | I mean with the rubber skin |
| 19:18:03 | wpyh | so it should have nothing to do with the player |
| 19:18:23 | wpyh | by "playing around" I mean pulling the ipod out of the rubber skin and putting it in again (repeatedly) |
| 19:18:59 | wpyh | maybe I pressed on something when doing that, but I can't reproduce it... :( |
| 19:19:44 | wpyh | has anyone seen this error before? |
| 19:20:01 | wpyh | I'm thinking this is a software issue, because when I plugged in the usb cable it didn't do anything |
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| 19:26:24 | gibbon_ | dionoea: would you please do that, yes? and don't mind the hundreds of people willing to help you at your backdoor :P |
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| 19:28:44 | gibbon_ | dionoea: that note is there, because SOS signals should by common sense never be automatically emitted... iirc its even in the radio regulations |
| 19:30:56 | gibbon_ | its the same for all distress signals... |
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| 19:32:18 | gibbon_ | bye... see you later |
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| 19:57:01 | * | Buschel should better have done business planning at work rather than watching the German soccer team :( |
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| 19:58:56 | Buschel | saratoga: you've got results which are not too promising on libmad |
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| 20:00:40 | Buschel | with mpc i get a large improvement on the dct stuff when using 32bit instead of 64bit −− but this has not been asm'ed yet |
| 20:01:24 | saratoga | Buschel: which mul instructions are you talking about? |
| 20:01:56 | Buschel | saratoga: mpc's calc_new_V() |
| 20:02:29 | saratoga | but you're changing from 32x32=64 to 32x32=32 ? |
| 20:02:37 | Buschel | saratoga: yes |
| 20:02:54 | saratoga | thats only a single clock cycle savings though per op |
| 20:03:05 | Buschel | saratoga: but maybe the gcc compiler produces better code with it? |
| 20:03:44 | Buschel | saratoga: i'll compare the sso-like synthesis with the 64bit one in mpc −− both of which are asm'ed already. |
| 20:03:58 | Buschel | saratoga: then we can compare the mpc synth with libmad synth |
| 20:04:09 | saratoga | that'd be nice |
| 20:04:22 | saratoga | i'd love to know why the synth in mpc is so amazingly fast compared to mp3 |
| 20:04:44 | saratoga | we need like 15-20MHz for synth alone in mp3 |
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| 20:05:07 | Buschel | saratoga: you've measured 48% of 37MHz for the libmad synth, right? |
| 20:05:23 | saratoga | thats more then quick and dirty all c IMDCT used in WMA needs |
| 20:05:39 | saratoga | yeah |
| 20:06:06 | saratoga | though i get that normal is 39MHz |
| 20:06:56 | Buschel | saratoga: that's about 18 MHz for synth −− mpc's synth needs about 11-14MHz (needs remeasurment though) |
| 20:07:37 | gevaerts | dionoea: I assume that in your FS #8663 comment 'with and without the patch' means the original udelay() removing patch ? |
| 20:07:44 | saratoga | the two codecs use the same synth process right (ignoring that MP3 have them out of order an all that)? |
| 20:08:10 | Buschel | saratoga: correct. mpc is based upon MPEG 1 Layer2 |
| 20:08:22 | Buschel | (filterbank wise) |
| 20:08:53 | saratoga | i can't imagine just reordering the coefficients or whatever nonsense mp3 does really makes a 50+% difference |
| 20:09:03 | saratoga | so your decoder must be doing something smarter then mad |
| 20:09:10 | Buschel | saratoga: how many percent did you measure for dct32? |
| 20:10:10 | saratoga | 16% |
| 20:10:26 | saratoga | off hand i can't remember if I included that in the synth figure though |
| 20:10:42 | saratoga | probably not |
| 20:10:43 | Buschel | saratoga: that's 6MHz (64bit). mpc needs 5.5MHz (32bit) or 7-8MHz (32bit) |
| 20:11:34 | Buschel | saratoga: that's why i am interested in having an asm'ed dct32 for mpc −− should be nearly as fast as the 64bit-mpc solution |
| 20:12:01 | saratoga | do you really benefit from faster mpc? |
| 20:12:19 | saratoga | i thought it was fast enough that the CPU core is idle while you decode |
| 20:12:28 | Buschel | saratoga: if you compare mpc's synth to libmad you'll see a lot of differences. e.g. the mpc synth is a tiny small simple loop. |
| 20:12:59 | Buschel | saratoga: i am running my CPU @24MHz, I can lower it further and have some more runtime :) |
| 20:13:25 | preglow | saratoga: did you get arm profiling working well? |
| 20:13:50 | Buschel | saratoga: mpc uses totally different arrangement of arrays/samples for the synthesis |
| 20:14:15 | saratoga | preglow: no i never got it to work correctly, so i did run time tests with different functions commented out and then computed the % |
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| 20:14:45 | preglow | if lostlogic ever surfaces again, we should ask him if he knows what's up with it |
| 20:14:52 | saratoga | Buschel: is it more efficient? as in fewer multiplies per sample? |
| 20:15:22 | saratoga | preglow: i got it to spit out profiles, but the addresses dont make sense in them so i haven't been able to use them |
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| 20:21:28 | Buschel | saratoga: it might be that mpc-implementation uses less ops. there is no different handling for eve or odd subband indices. also i can remember that the standard filterbank uses memmove for each processed subband sample, mpc only memmove's once per frame. |
| 20:23:03 | Buschel | saratoga: changing the libmad filterbank is a lot of re-engineering and re-organizing internal buffers |
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| 20:26:08 | saratoga | would anyone be upset if I did a libmad commit that fixed it's tabs? |
| 20:26:51 | amiconn | Iirc the consensus on imported code was to keep its formatting as-is, in order to ease merging of improvements |
| 20:27:26 | saratoga | mad hasn't been updated in 4 years and the code is an absolute mess of spaces and tabs |
| 20:29:03 | Buschel | amiconn: as you seem to be available :o) -> FS #9076: do you mind to change the pcf init as done in this patch? |
| 20:29:27 | * | amiconn is a bit busy atm, will have a look later |
| 20:29:43 | Buschel | amiconn: thanks, come back with any comments on it |
| 20:30:51 | saratoga | Buschel: i hadn't noticed that you'd kept working on your boosting patch until yesterday |
| 20:31:07 | saratoga | are you aiming to get it commited soon? |
| 20:31:30 | saratoga | i imagine it would be quite useful if done properly, particularly for flac users |
| 20:32:22 | Buschel | saratoga: in fact i use changed clock since January. but i don't think it will be committed soon. |
| 20:33:45 | Buschel | saratoga: the gui boost itself which is need to avoid sluggishness does boost on wheel scrolling, which may effect the clocking of plugins afaik |
| 20:34:36 | Buschel | saratoga: btw, you can put the clocking to an extreme when using 15MHz normal clock (FLAC doesn't even boost then, except when buffering) |
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| 20:36:38 | saratoga | Buschel: so you'd need a way to only enable this when theres no plugins running? |
| 20:36:40 | preglow | saratoga: well, if it does get updated, it'll be hell to merge |
| 20:36:48 | preglow | so lets just keep whitespace as it is in imported code |
| 20:37:17 | preglow | saratoga: the god awful mix of tabs and spaces work out if you set your tabstop to eight spaces |
| 20:37:28 | preglow | it's still a sin, but at least it's readable |
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| 20:38:41 | Buschel | saratoga: i think we need a way to enable the boost for gui actions in general −− the current patch only boost for scrollwheels. the patch is more like a proof-of-concept for gui boosting. my 5.5G is more responsive than svn, even though it's clocked @24MHz normal clock :) |
| 20:39:28 | saratoga2 | i haven't looked, but since the backlight has a mechanism to do that, i can't imagine it'd be too hard |
| 20:39:59 | saratoga2 | i mean it manages to turn on and off consistently enough, so a similar mechanism for boosting shouldn't be too hard |
| 20:50:54 | * | preglow summons shotofadds |
| 20:51:54 | Buschel | saratoga2: i need to correct myself -> the patch already is "generic" in terms of buttons −− so, it's not for scrollwheel only. but there is some special handling needed for scrollwheel targets |
| 20:52:19 | Buschel | saratoga2: it boosts on each button activity and unboosts after timeout |
| 20:52:34 | Buschel | saratoga2: simple but effective :o) |
| 20:54:50 | Buschel | saratoga2: another idea comes up my mind regarding the smull-stuff in libmad -> doesn't smull/mlal need less time when the operand is small (like most significant bytes are = 0)? |
| 20:55:45 | saratoga2 | Buschel: in theory yes, but in practice I haven't been able to get that to work on PP |
| 20:56:16 | saratoga2 | i tried zeroing the lower 2 bytes on all my WMA window tables and there was no change at all in run time |
| 20:56:27 | saratoga2 | i suspect that PP may have somehow broken that |
| 20:56:39 | saratoga2 | though I'm not certain |
| 20:56:47 | Buschel | hmm, bad. otherwise we could just do some simple rescaling |
| 20:57:20 | saratoga2 | though i didn't try scaling so that the top two bytes where 0 |
| 20:58:14 | Buschel | e.g. this could be done for the D-coefficients. of course proper rescaling on the results must be done (similar to sso) |
| 20:58:52 | Buschel | the D-coefficients can be scaled by >>12 without loss |
| 20:59:26 | preglow | this early termination of the multiplier only works for the right operand |
| 20:59:30 | preglow | afaik |
| 20:59:34 | preglow | the arm docs specify it |
| 20:59:52 | Buschel | let me check |
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| 21:00:00 | saratoga2 | i tried both operands to be sure |
| 21:00:13 | preglow | saratoga2: did you get any solid timings out of the mul instructions? |
| 21:00:22 | saratoga2 | the spec says "bits [31:24]" |
| 21:00:31 | saratoga2 | does that refer to the bottom or top byte? |
| 21:00:31 | preglow | and 23:16, 15:8 |
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| 21:01:07 | preglow | one cycle is shaved off if the top byte is zero or all ones, another if the next byte is zeros/ones |
| 21:01:10 | preglow | etc |
| 21:01:12 | preglow | the lowest byte doesn't matter |
| 21:01:17 | saratoga2 | preglow: the datasheet says 5 clocks for mul, but I've never tried to measure it |
| 21:01:42 | saratoga2 | so small numbers are faster, but big numbers with lots of trailing zeros aren't? |
| 21:01:43 | preglow | saratoga2: well, if pp somehow don't use arms regular implementation for the mul, it would be interesting indeed to find out what the timings are |
| 21:01:54 | preglow | saratoga2: indeed |
| 21:02:00 | saratoga2 | ok then i did it wrong |
| 21:02:11 | Buschel | preglow: signed numbers are slow then in general, right? |
| 21:02:11 | preglow | saratoga2: smaller numbers are better, both positive or negative |
| 21:02:19 | saratoga2 | i just AND'ed the lookup table with 0xFFFF0000 |
| 21:02:27 | saratoga2 | no they're the same |
| 21:02:28 | preglow | saratoga2: no, since it also does early termination if a byte is all ones |
| 21:02:35 | preglow | Buschel: that last was to you :) |
| 21:02:45 | preglow | saratoga2: that won't matter at all, yes |
| 21:02:46 | saratoga2 | not for signed |
| 21:02:48 | Buschel | preglow: yep, got it |
| 21:02:52 | saratoga2 | all 0 or all 1 |
| 21:03:14 | saratoga2 | thats really annoying that they do it that way, since it messes up fixed point operations |
| 21:04:21 | Buschel | libmad's synth uses the D-coefs as 2nd (=right) operand |
| 21:04:32 | Buschel | so downscaling should have some effect then |
| 21:04:44 | saratoga2 | then why didn't I see an improvment from SSO? |
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| 21:05:16 | Buschel | saratoga2: good question |
| 21:05:25 | saratoga2 | that should have saved 1 cycle for the mul, another for write back of the 64 bit value, and possibly a third for any shifts that were saved |
| 21:05:38 | saratoga2 | instead i got maybe a 1-2% speedup of synth_full |
| 21:05:54 | preglow | Buschel: downscaling will have some effect, i also think the regular mul and mla instructions have this early termination |
| 21:06:18 | * | preglow likes the core in his d2, which has mul and smull which are both faster and fully deterministic |
| 21:06:59 | saratoga2 | I should put a block in libmad that does 1 million muls and see how long it takes with various output argument widths |
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| 21:10:03 | Buschel | hmm, mpc uses D-coefs in the left operand. maybe some more speed possible then? ;-) |
| 21:10:59 | saratoga2 | let me know if you get any speed up |
| 21:11:09 | preglow | saratoga2: would be very interesting |
| 21:12:05 | Buschel | gotta switch to dev-pc now |
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| 21:21:15 | preglow | i like how the string "A:\" appears in the d2 firmware |
| 21:21:54 | preglow | one gold nugget among many |
| 21:21:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: Heh... :) |
| 21:22:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Got any floppy disks? |
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| 21:25:45 | preglow | perhaps they hadn't yet decided between sd cards and floppy disks early in the design phase |
| 21:26:14 | preglow | i swear, 100kb could be shaved off this firmware if they removed all their bad assembly |
| 21:26:27 | preglow | if (r0 == 0) { r0 = 0; return; } |
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| 21:27:13 | linuxstb | I didn't know they were using gcc... |
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| 21:28:00 | preglow | for some reason, there are also cascades of "bx lr" lines |
| 21:28:05 | preglow | perhaps they use them as padding |
| 21:28:11 | preglow | but it doesn't look like it |
| 21:28:17 | preglow | unless they like padding to arbitrary boundaries |
| 21:28:31 | linuxstb | I think I've noticed those in other tcc firmwares |
| 21:28:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | What? That they leave unessential code all over the place? |
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| 21:31:31 | preglow | hmm |
| 21:31:35 | preglow | lots of mentions of aac+ in here too |
| 21:31:38 | preglow | i didn't think this thing did aac |
| 21:32:43 | linuxstb | preglow: I wonder if DMB uses it... |
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| 21:34:21 | preglow | hmm |
| 21:34:46 | linuxstb | Yes, it does... AAC+, "the BSAC variant of AAC" and MP2 |
| 21:35:43 | preglow | really |
| 21:35:50 | preglow | too bad they don't support the file version |
| 21:35:56 | preglow | not that i care... |
| 21:36:56 | linuxstb | Should be relatively easy for them to support DAB+ though. |
| 21:41:29 | preglow | if the reed solomon decoder can handle the dab+ encoding, then yes |
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| 21:41:42 | preglow | sweet god, decoding 50++ "bx lr" now... |
| 21:46:18 | amiconn | linuxstb: Is there some ViewVC for brosing the ipl cvs? |
| 21:46:25 | amiconn | *browsing |
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| 21:47:35 | linuxstb | amiconn: There seems to be something here - http://ipodlinux.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/ipodlinux/ |
| 21:47:47 | linuxstb | Looks like they've moved to SVN at sourceforge... |
| 21:48:58 | amiconn | thanks |
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| 21:50:50 | amiconn | Hmm, this lcd_cmd_data() block in fb.c is the only change in ipl revision 650 ... |
| 21:51:21 | preglow | seems this thing supports fat12 |
| 21:57:26 | amiconn | linuxstb: Could you take a closer look at lcd-color_nano.c lines 95..103? |
| 21:57:55 | amiconn | Iiuc gpio_a01 doesn't matter at all... |
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| 21:58:40 | linuxstb | amiconn: One moment... I was just reading the IPL IRC logs from the date of that commit - http://rainstorm.org/ipod/stats/ipodlinux.log-2005-06-18 |
| 21:58:45 | amiconn | Not that this simplification would help solving the ipod photo bug.... but perhaps this check is still a bit wrong |
| 21:58:57 | linuxstb | Seems the problem was caused with the upgrade from v1.0 to v1.1 of the Photo OF |
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| 22:06:06 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do you have an idea why the fix doesn't work in rockbox? |
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| 22:06:44 | powr-toc | Hey, is anyone else having trouble downloading builds from rockbox.org? |
| 22:07:01 | linuxstb | amiconn: No, I'm just looking at things now. And I think I agree - gpio_a01 is irrelvant - it's just "lcd_type = gpio_a04;" |
| 22:07:26 | amiconn | yep |
| 22:08:10 | amiconn | That reminds me that I still need to do some research regarding the PP colour lcd bridge |
| 22:08:29 | amiconn | It might pay off to split the color and nano lcd driver at some point, btw |
| 22:09:00 | amiconn | The nano has some potential for optimising yuv blitting that cannot be applied to the color (because of the 2 lcd types) |
| 22:09:40 | Buschel | saratoga2/preglow: i am not sure about my results on prescaling the "right operand" of mul/smull |
| 22:10:33 | Buschel | saratoga2/preglow: >>8 seems to speed up by 1 cycle, but a lot of the operands are =0 in this case (measured with filterbank) |
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| 22:11:11 | Buschel | saratoga2/preglow: but results on >>16 with smull/mlal are really strange. it's slower... |
| 22:11:18 | Buschel | (by 1 cycle) |
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| 22:12:28 | Buschel | saratoga2: maybe you'll get more precise results from your "1 million mul" test |
| 22:12:45 | * | amiconn bookmarked the ipl ViewVC now |
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| 22:36:55 | preglow | Buschel: weird |
| 22:37:13 | preglow | Buschel: have you looked at the actual compiled code to make sure gcc doesn't mess anything up? |
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| 22:41:50 | Buschel | preglow: i am not sure what this came from, only did several code changes, rebuilds and test runs |
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| 22:47:01 | Buschel | bye, see you tomorrow |
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| 22:52:45 | preglow | why would the firmware contain http response strings... |
| 22:55:11 | bluebrother | domonoky1: around? |
| 22:55:31 | domonoky1 | jup |
| 22:56:10 | bluebrother | I noticed sectorbuf and verbose being set as global variables in ipodpatcher.c and getting reused by sansapatcher. |
| 22:56:36 | bluebrother | Is there a reason this is done that way? Makes a somewhat inconsistent impression to me |
| 22:57:38 | bluebrother | I'm wondering if it's better to move the variable to the bootloader base class or to split it into two variables −− sansapatcher and ipodpatcher having its own |
| 22:57:55 | bluebrother | that would also make it easier to lib-ify the patchers if we want to do that later on |
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| 22:58:48 | domonoky1 | but i think you have to change the patchers to do that, i didnt want to modify much.... but feel free to change.. |
| 22:59:03 | domonoky1 | haveing them seperatly would probably be better.. |
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| 23:01:00 | bluebrother | well, I already made some small changed to the patchers, so I think I'd do that too |
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| 23:33:17 | SliMM | hello |
| 23:33:19 | SliMM | is the mediawiki plugin in the standard build? |
| 23:33:45 | Llorean | It's a patch in the tracker. |
| 23:34:16 | SliMM | but not in the standard build, right? |
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| 23:34:53 | Llorean | If it were in the standard build, a patch to add the feature would no longer be necessary. |
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| 23:37:33 | SliMM | ok |
| 23:38:15 | SliMM | can I use background images with viewports, or make a viewport's background transparent? |
| 23:40:12 | Llorean | Background images still work how they always did (one fullscreen background image) |
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| 23:43:12 | Llorean | When there's a background image, colored viewports don't show their color. They're transparent automatically |
| 23:43:18 | Llorean | At least, if i understand correctly |
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| 23:54:03 | powr-toc | I've jus updated rockbox on my ipod video 30G, and I keep getting codec error when I try and play mp3s... any ideas whats up? |
| 23:54:43 | scorche|sh | powr-toc: you likely didnt install correctly...did you extract the entire zip to the device? |
| 23:55:04 | powr-toc | I think so, but I'll try again |
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| 23:56:59 | powr-toc | scorche|sh: cheers... I obviosly missed something :-) |
| 23:57:09 | d1sturb | Thanks, I got it to work. Just wondering, is there any app you guys no that lets you play videos on 2nd gen nano? |
| 23:57:48 | scorche|sh | d1sturb: rockbox doesnt work on the 2nd gen nano |
| 23:58:52 | d1sturb | I know, but there are no other apps that do? |
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