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#rockbox log for 2008-06-14

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01:22:34aaroedkWhen holding the menu button down on my ipod while connecting it to my computer in order to use it while charging, windows pops up with a request for a Rockbox mediaplayer driver - is there something I've missed because I haven't seen this being mentioned in the manual anywhere.
01:24:00BigBambiaaroedk: just ignore it
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01:24:22BigBambiaaroedk: Rockbox on devices that need a software usb stack don't yet have one in Rockbox
01:24:42BigBambiaaroedk: And that popup is a side effect of asking for charging but not having a proper stack
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01:25:05aaroedkBigBambi, ok no problem. I was just wondering if there was some fancy functionality I haven't discovered yet :)
01:25:50BigBambiaaroedk: Hopefully in the future :)
01:26:36aaroedkBigBambi, awesome :)
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01:41:24aaroedkMy God. I stand in awe of rockbox. It has every single feature I've been missing with the standard ipod firmware... It's simply made of win!
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01:42:15BigBambiaaroedk: true :)
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01:43:40aaroedkBigBambi, It sure is, but I've been nohing but amazed with it during this entire day where I've played with it. Just a small thing such it's possible to queue songs and using the ipod as a "jukebox" is something I've been looking for. It's going to be awesome for this year's Roskilde Festival :)
01:44:28aaroedk...and slap on a skin with clear colors and big font which makes it viewable when drunk along with the possibility to have it play while charging is going to guarantee music all night long :)
01:47:13aaroedkBigBambi, I know that rockbox have been in development since 2001 and I assume that the developers know what they're doing but do crashes and fatal errors still occur on players such as my 5th generation ipod?
01:47:37BigBambiit is possible
01:47:49aaroedkFrom what I can read, everything runs pretty smooth, but I'd hate to bring this to 10 days of rock festival and have it crash and burn on the 2nd day leaving us with not alternative :)
01:47:55BigBambiipods are probably the worst supported targets
01:48:01aaroedkThey are?
01:48:09BigBambiAs they are undocumented, so reverse engineering hardware is dfficult
01:48:12scorche|shpixelma: i do think the manual is getting a bit behind though with regards to some undocumented features and plugins =/
01:48:22scorche|shof course i can fix this as well, but i am just expressing a thought
01:48:41BigBambiaaroedk: you can always just reset in the unlikely event of a crash
01:48:44pixelmayes, I know that
01:49:19aaroedkBigBambi, ofcourse but what about the music I've put on it. I don't assume that the standard ipod firmware will accept it, will it?
01:49:32BigBambiaaroedk: not if you copy and pasted
01:49:47BigBambiBut if you use itunes the rockbox database will index it if it is properly tagged
01:49:52aaroedkBigBambi, ok, so still use the old transfer method and load it into the database?
01:49:58aaroedkBigBambi :)
01:50:01pixelmascorche|sh: problem is that not enough people seem to care, also the developers who implement new features (even a simple text would be helpful sometimes)
01:50:04BigBambiAnd when I say reset, you can just resest back into rockbox
01:50:29BigBambiaaroedk: sure. Personally I would rather do anything than let itunes anywhere near anything I own, but heh
01:50:57aaroedkBigBambi, you've actually just made me remember yet another question I had. Is it possible to still boot into the old ipod firmware if -god forbid! - something happens with rockbox?
01:51:01scorche|shpixelma: indeed...i have half considered making people at least write a small blurb about it
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01:51:11BigBambiaaroedk: yes, dual boot works by default
01:51:15scorche|shpixelma: perhaps this can go on the DCE list
01:51:30BigBambiaaroedk: check the manual for the key - I don't have an ipod and can't remember off the top of my head
01:51:41aaroedkBigBambi, I share your oppinon, I just use Winamp to transfer my music instead. It seems that it's transfer works flawlessly with the rockbox db.
01:51:50pixelmascorche|sh: and not even documented plugins are up to date (thinking of the text viewer as a "nice" example) :\
01:51:57BigBambiaaroedk: The RB database is 'just a tag database
01:52:10aaroedkBigBambi, oh ok... cool. Better make some notes about this so I'm prepared for the worst :)
01:52:13scorche|shpixelma: did you want to add it to the DCE discussion list, or shall i? ;)
01:52:19BigBambiSo as long as the music is there, rockbox couldn't care less how it got there or what the filenames are
01:52:26pixelmascorche|sh: good idea, go ahead ;)
01:52:39aaroedkBigBambi, true :)
01:52:55scorche|shpixelma: perhaps after i finish this last stretch of work ;)
01:52:58BigBambiPersonally, I'm file browser all the way :)
01:53:13scorche|shpixelma: i think we will almost need to have 2 days of discussion with all these topics
01:53:17aaroedkBigBambi, so you simply just transfer them over and strictly use rockbox?
01:53:33BigBambiaaroedk: yes (I don't have an ipod btw)
01:53:45BigBambiaaroedk: but I do that on all my targets
01:53:55aaroedkBigBambi, oh ye, you mentioned that - I forgot :)
01:54:20pixelmascorche|sh: yes, but also depending on the level of beer consumption ;)
01:55:00BigBambiaaroedk: but I do have a few others :)
01:55:14aaroedkBigBambi, well I stay away from iTunes to - luckily the winamp support is brilliant. But I think for now I'll transfer the ol' ipod-way just to have a backup during the festival in case lightning strikes :)
01:56:14BigBambiaaroedk: So long as all the files are properly tagged (which isn't the same as the itunes database being up-to-date), and you are happy using the database, then yes, that'd work well :)
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01:57:01aaroedkBigBambi, Cool - rockbox truly is godsend for my needs :) Nothing else to do than play with it intesively untill the festival and get a good feel for it :)
01:57:36BigBambiaaroedk: A fine plan:) - in addition to the fine manual :)
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01:59:05aaroedkBigBambi, ye. Which actually leads to yet another wave of applauds from me. Once I started reading about installing new bootloader and so on, I really thought this would be a task with high risk and which demanded some technical finess.
01:59:22aaroedkI was si surprised to find that the whole installation task was so userfriendly as it was.
01:59:53aaroedkThere's no reason for anyone NOT to use rockbox instead of the crappy and limited standard ipod firmware :)
02:00:12BigBambiThe ipods are very resilient - even if you do cock something up, short of taking a hammer to it, it is very difficult to do anything truly bad
02:00:20BigBambiaaroedk: did you use rbutil?
02:01:26aaroedkBigBambi, this 5th generation ipod is about to be brought along for it's 3rd Roskilde Festival - each of 10 days durations. It's really taken a beating and judging by the experior you really wouldn't think there would ever come music from it - but it just keeps on rockin' :)
02:01:40BigBambieven more so now :)
02:01:54aaroedkBigBambi, I actually meant to use the rbutil, but it complained about no themes being present so I just used the manual way.
02:02:27BigBambiyes, for the 5th gen theme downloads via rbutil are currently disabled for download reasons
02:02:54aaroedkBigBambi, ahh so that's why. Well, nevermind the manual install went smooth :)
02:03:39BigBambithey will be back up when the devs in question have some free time to transition the theme site
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02:03:51aaroedkBigBambi, ye I noticed that on the theme site - but what the hell, I don't need anything fancy. I've just gotten myself a theme with high-contrast colors and fonts large enough for blind people to read them so it's ready for the festival :)
02:03:59*BigBambi names no names :)
02:04:10*pixelma should ;)
02:06:14pixelmaalthough I also got an unfinished part for that (working with divs so it scales better to different screen resolutions but it has its downsides too)
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02:15:55aaroedkSince you can import your ipod tracks to the rockbox db is there also a way to import your playlists?
02:16:23LloreanThe Rockbox DB doesn't have any sort of playlist database.
02:16:35LloreanBut there are tools to export iTunes playlists that might work, or so I've heard.
02:16:55aaroedkLlorean, well I try to keep away from itunes so I guess I'll just have to redo them :)
02:17:29LloreanJust about any tool that can create M3U or M3U8 playlists will work fine, just point them at the files on the player.
02:17:59pixelmaI read some directions in the forums but not sure if they still work (and I don't even have an Ipod)
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03:04:25wpyhI only got 21:30 in my second run :(
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03:46:49wpyhsorry, I found it now
03:47:13wpyheeminy: are you there? thanks for the updates to the IpodConversionToFAT32 page, but I have a few questions for you :)
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04:26:34BigBambi Has anyone heard from rasher recently? Last I can find in the logs is 17/04/2008.
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04:34:45joconnorwihello all! Can I get some suggestions of your favorite widescreen pmp?
04:38:51krazykitjoconnorwi, this is an on-topic channel about rockbox. discussion about non-rockbox devices (except porting efforts) is offtopic here
04:39:25joconnorwibut, i'd like to use rockbox on whatever I get!
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05:02:59soapthere is no "widescreen" PMP supported by Rockbox.,
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05:04:48DuoMaxwelhey everyone....having a weird problem
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05:05:01DuoMaxweli just installed rockbox on this sansa e280 and after plugging it in for the first time to my computer
05:05:09DuoMaxwelthe top 2 lines of the lcd are cut off in rockbox
05:05:16DuoMaxweland in the default firmware they are corrupt colors
05:05:18Lloreansoap: Well, the c200 has a widescreen aspect ratio, color screen, plays video, and has removable storage. ;)
05:06:03LloreanDuoMaxwel: Did you follow the official install instructions from, and not install anything else but what the manual says to?
05:06:15DuoMaxweli used the rockbox utility
05:06:20DuoMaxweland that's all i did to it
05:06:42DuoMaxweli made the .rockbox folder hidden as i did to version.sdk and version.txt
05:06:56DuoMaxwelbut i did that on my last e280 and it was fine
05:07:04LloreanThe top two lines being like that is a very old bug that should be fixed, unless you're using an old bootloader.
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05:07:40DuoMaxweli just uninstalled the bootloader to see if it goes away
05:07:47DuoMaxweland its still the same
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05:08:20LloreanIf it's happening without the bootloader installed, I can't see how it relates to Rockbox then. Without the bootloader installed, no Rockbox code runs.
05:08:46DuoMaxwelwell yeah i figured =P
05:08:53DuoMaxwelany ideas on why it happened though? fauly lcd screen?
05:08:57DuoMaxwelit was fine up until pluggin it in
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05:11:16DuoMaxwelon starting to the first sansa screen it doesnt have it...then afterwards it does
05:11:54DuoMaxwelany starting to freak out that im goign to have to RMA it again
05:12:54LloreanYou had RBUtil actually remove the bootloader, you didn't just delete .rockbox, right?
05:13:24advcomp2019sounds like you have an old bootloader because i remember that issue myself
05:14:07DuoMaxwelright Llorean
05:14:25DuoMaxweli first removed rockbox by clicking remove rockbox, then removed the bootloader by clicking remove bootloader
05:14:51LloreanYou might want to try updating or re-installing the original firmware.
05:15:16DuoMaxwelalright, ill grab it off of the sandisk site as soon as i retry installing rockbox
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05:17:21danielblanche54Is there any way to turn off the "recording" section listed in the main menu of Rockbox (I'm using a 80GB iPod)
05:18:39LloreanOnly by compiling a build without it
05:19:07danielblanche54Ok, thanks
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05:19:56danielblanche54Its just that whenever I accidentally go in there, it will disable sound output until it is restarted, and it gets slightly annoying, but thank you! :)
05:21:55LloreanYeah, that's a bug that's been there for a very long time. =/
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05:22:38danielblanche54May I ask why that bug is present. Is it known what is causing it/
05:23:10LloreanKnowing what causes it, and knowing the right way to fix it are two different things.
05:23:31LloreanPersonally though, I know neither. I think it's known what causes it, though.
05:24:01danielblanche54Yeah, I guessed as much. thank you for the answer, however.
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05:25:48danielblanche54and another thing, while I'm here. Is it possible to charge my iPod with rockbox while it is switched off and plugged into a wall outlet?
05:26:56Hillshumit will turn on to charge\
05:27:30DuoMaxwelim guessing he meant from rockbox
05:28:31danielblanche54in the Apple firmware it can stay in standby to charge, under rockbox it will boot up fully to charge.
05:28:47DuoMaxwelLlorean this is really confusing and doesn't make any sense
05:28:52danielblanche54I worded my original question very badly, sorry!
05:29:03DuoMaxweli just updated the firmware (sandisk) and there's still those two lines that are corrupt on the leftand then black on the right
05:29:26DuoMaxwelwhen i first start it up they show up the regular color but then the whole screen shifts downwards and those top lines are corrupt
05:30:10Lloreandanielblanche54: Rockbox doesn't have a standby mode.
05:30:28LloreanDuoMaxwel: Well, it's not really something we can help you with here. This channel is for support of the Rockbox software itself
05:31:09danielblanche54Thank you
05:32:27DuoMaxwelim going to try that sandisk connect recovery thing
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05:36:14DuoMaxwelLlorean: you spoke of a bug involving the top lines of the lcd screen..what did that regard?
05:36:30DuoMaxweli googled for it but all i found was something on the ipod and its screen lines remaining on after turning the ipod off
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05:36:49LloreanDuoMaxwel: If you're having the problem without Rockbox installed, I don't see what it matters...
05:37:04LloreanYou really need to be investigating Sandisk's support paths at this point.
05:39:07DuoMaxweli dont know, the similarities seem a bit too similar
05:40:02LloreanWhat similarities? Our bug was a problem in _Rockbox_ initializing the hardware improperly. Your problem is somewhere in the Sandisk firmware. Even if the problem is the same, it's their firmware and not something we're here to fix.
05:44:03DuoMaxwelim trying a recovery mode reformat/firmware upgrade
05:44:19DuoMaxweli know you aren't here to fix something...i was merely asking out of curiousity
05:44:22LloreanPlease, take this to the off-topic channel.
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05:47:31DuoMaxwelLlorean: why am i being pushed off to the off-topic channel?
05:47:46LloreanAs I've said a few times, the topic here is Rockbox...
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05:48:03DuoMaxwelI'm asking for a help regarding a problem that occurred while using rockbox
05:48:24LloreanYes, but a problem we've established is not a Rockbox problem...
05:49:15soapLlorean, the c200 is 16:9?
05:49:43Lloreansoap: Approximately. Closer to 16:9 than 4:3
05:49:50LloreanI think it's actually 16:10
05:51:03soap15:9 I'll be
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05:55:31MegaqwertyCould anyone here help me out? I'm trying to install rockbox on a first generation iPod nano, and the ipodpatcher is giving me: [ERR] Short read - requested 8388608 bytes, received 324096 any ideas?
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05:57:12wpyhMegaqwerty: does it always receive 324096 bytes, or does it change randomly?
05:57:24Megaqwertywpyh: I'll check, hold on
05:57:35Jonj20hey can any 1 help me im tryin to install rockbox on my sansa m240 mp3 player
05:57:46Megaqwertywpyh: Yes, it always does.
05:58:03wpyhMegaqwerty: even after you unplugged and plugged in the nano again?
05:58:16Megaqwertywpyh: haven't tried that. Hold on.
05:58:54Jonj20please can any 1 help me in new to rockbox
05:59:06DuoMaxwelJonj: don't simply ask forh elp
05:59:07DuoMaxweldo some work
05:59:12DuoMaxwelgo to the site
05:59:17wpyhAFAIK rockbox supports "Sansa c200, e200 and e200R series (not the v2 models)" (quoting
05:59:18DuoMaxweldont expect to be simply spoon-fed instructions
05:59:33DuoMaxwelwpyh...way to spoon feed him =P
05:59:48wpyhDuoMaxwel: sorry :)
05:59:55Megaqwertywpyh: Yes, even after unplugging, and plugging it back in.
06:00:02Jonj20i no but im trying to install it on a m240 just with the source code
06:00:10*wpyh thinks it migt be a hardware issue
06:00:21wpyhMegaqwerty: are you on Linux?
06:00:25Megaqwertywpyh: correct
06:00:26DuoMaxwelso you programmed your own drivers for the m240 and found a way to replace the source code?
06:00:36*wpyh wonders whether Jonj20 wants to port rockbox to m240
06:00:43LloreanJonj20: You can't just install it and hope it'll work. You'll need to do a lot of programming first.
06:01:00wpyhMegaqwerty: IIRC ipodpatcher tries to read the fw partition...
06:01:08Jonj20im just looking for pointers and tips thats all
06:01:19LloreanJonj20: Also, since no port exists, you'll need to figure out how to install on it, since there isn't a method yet...
06:01:35wpyhcan you do "dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=fwpartition" ? this is just checking to make sure linux can actually read it (change sdb1 to your fw partition)
06:02:04Jonj20ok thnks and i no people done it before thats y im looking for help
06:02:06Megaqwertywpyh: yeah, I can read it, it mounts fine (that's how I got the .rockbox directory on there as per the manual)
06:02:31wpyhMegaqwerty: The one you mounted is the second partition right? the first partition is the fw partition
06:02:38Megaqwertywpyh: ah
06:02:45LloreanJonj20: No, Rockbox has not been successfully installed yet. People have experimented with the hardware, that's it.
06:03:08Megaqwertywpyh: that might be it: dd: reading `/dev/sdb1': Input/output error
06:03:22Jonj20o but didnt they get parts of it on there
06:03:35wpyhMegaqwerty: at which byte?
06:03:42wpyhit will error at the last byte :p
06:04:25Megaqwertywpyh: hold on, pastebin
06:04:32wpyhyou can also see the output file, how bit is it?
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06:05:02Jonj20so can any 1 give me some pointers on how to experiment with it
06:05:14LloreanJonj20: Please use real English in here.
06:05:20Megaqwertywpyh: it's 38.1MB
06:05:20LloreanThe channel guidelines mention this.
06:05:28Jonj20ok im sorry
06:05:45wpyhMegaqwerty: that sounds looks normal...
06:06:07Jonj20ok here so can any one give me any pointers on how to experiment with it?
06:06:35LloreanJonj20: What needs done depends on whether you have a v1 or v2 m200 series, but current status and areas of investigation are n the forum
06:07:05Jonj20ok thanks ill check them out
06:07:15wpyhhold on
06:07:20Megaqwertywpyh: thanks
06:07:41Jonj20i got a version 1.3.0a
06:07:49wpyhMegaqwerty: can you please post the output of 'fdisk -l /dev/sdb' and 'sfdisk -d /dev/sdb'?
06:08:24wpyhand also the dmesg output after you plugged in the ipod (with the dd and ipodpatcher runs, etc)
06:08:35wpyhit will show up as errors if there's a hardware problem
06:08:36Megaqwertywpyh: that's the first one
06:09:32Megaqwertywpyh: the second
06:10:03wpyhok... I'm beginning to think you have a hardware problem
06:10:10wpyhlet's verify it by looking at dmesg :)
06:10:59Megaqwerty <−−dmesg
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06:11:45Megaqwertywpyh: oh, I didn't include the dd and ipodpatcher runs in that
06:11:56MegaqwertyI'll do that now.
06:11:59wpyhyou should ;)
06:12:09wpyhjust unplug it, plug it in, then run ipodpatcher and dd
06:12:12wpyhthen get the dmesg
06:12:40*wpyh wonders whether Megaqwerty unmounted the partition before unplugging, seeing that sdb became sdc
06:13:11Megaqwertywpyh: I thought I unmounted first
06:13:16Megaqwertybut maybe not
06:13:43wpyhdon't worry, I do that sometimes
06:14:40Megaqwertywpyh: here's the full thing:
06:15:01Megaqwertywell...truncated to just the important stuff at least ;)
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06:15:30wpyhyeah, that confirms it
06:15:36Megaqwertywpyh: think I should run dosfsck on it?
06:15:38wpyhsee the Medium Error messages?
06:15:51wpyhit's not related to the FAT32 filesystem
06:16:04wpyhit's more of the flash chip inside
06:16:17wpyhnow it may be
06:16:25wpyh1. your computer usb port somehow broken
06:16:30wpyh2. the data cable broken
06:16:39wpyh3. nano's data port broken
06:16:43wpyh4. the flash chip broken
06:16:57wpyhI'd check them out one by one
06:17:49Megaqwertywpyh: well, it runs the Apple fw fine, the cable lets me read the songs in Rhythmbox, and obviously this USB port lets me do all this...but I'll try plugging it into another port if you'd like.
06:18:58wpyhweird things happen :)
06:19:01Megaqwertywpyh: It's been an upstanding citizen other than not letting me play ogg/flac files (and you know...being proprietary)
06:19:23wpyhyes, test the items above one by one (don't mix them up)
06:19:24Megaqwertywpyh: no could I verify that all this stuff is intact?
06:19:44wpyhyou mean how test them?
06:19:49Megaqwertywpyh: yeah
06:20:02wpyhfor example, for the cable you can get a friend's data cable and try
06:20:06wpyhmake that 2 or 3 friends
06:20:16wpyhthen do the same, one by one, for the other items
06:20:44Megaqwertyso, for the nano's data port I have to find someone who will let me install rockbox on their iPod?
06:20:57wpyhdon't do that
06:21:09*wpyh thinks this talk should go to #rockbox-community
06:21:26Megaqwertywpyh: it's still tech support
06:21:47wpyhwell, Llorean is here and I think this is ipod nano tech support rather than rockbox tech support :p
06:21:47Megaqwertybut alright
06:24:15Lloreanwpyh: What does me being here have to do with anything?
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06:30:50jickbut how do you put video on an ipod first gen so you can play it?
06:30:56mar1ipods suck
06:31:09Lloreanmar1: That's off topic for this channel.
06:31:09mar1for proprietary software
06:31:11mixfevercreate a folder in the ipods directory and upload the video in it
06:31:28jickalright, thanks
06:31:35mar1ok I just bought s sansa and want to try rockbox any helpers?
06:31:46jickwhere exactly in the directory?
06:31:50Lloreanmar1: Have you simply tried the directions in the manual?
06:31:57Lloreanjick: Anywhere, assuming you're using Rockbox.
06:32:07jickbut i tried "anywhere"
06:32:12jickand it wont show
06:32:14mar1is there anyone else who has a sansa in here?
06:32:29mar1that has done it
06:32:32Lloreanjick: Did you convert it as per the directions in the PluginMpegplayer wiki page?
06:32:39LloreanAssuming mpegplayer is even compiled for 1G
06:32:47advcomp2019mar1, yea but have you read the manual?
06:32:49mixfeveryea you need to open the ipod up like a normal media disk and in the main directory create the video volder to host the videos in.
06:32:51Lloreanmar1: Try the manual, as I said. It's quite simple
06:32:59mar1ok ill look
06:33:04Lloreanmixfever: You don't need to create any folders, you can put them anywhere...
06:33:09mar1but how do I backup the origional firmware?
06:33:20mar1before I embark
06:33:22jickno i did not llorean, sorry. will .AVIs still work?
06:33:25mixfeverbut for oranization, just my thinking. sorry
06:33:36Lloreanjick: No. It's an *mpeg* player. There are conversion instructions you need to follow
06:33:48advcomp2019mar1, you do not need to since there is places to get the firmware
06:33:55Lloreanmar1: You don't need to. Even if something goes wrong you can just download a copy to restore with.
06:34:08mar1ohh I just go to mfg site if rockbox blowz
06:34:19jickso pretty much give it up if i have to get going now and go by the wiki later?
06:34:37Lloreanjick: Yes. Conversion often takes quite a few minutes anyway.
06:35:02Lloreanmar1: Please try to limit yourself to real words in here, as per the channel guidelines.
06:35:16mixfeverIt's been a while, but If you use Itunes wont that already put the firmware back on it when you make the connection? It's been a while since I have used itunes since I use Amarok on OpenSUSE
06:35:49Lloreanmixfever: He's asking about a Sansa...
06:36:10mar1ill go check the manueal and report back as if someone cares to hear how its going, sound good?
06:36:28mar1(nods) :) ?
06:36:37mar1sound good?
06:36:38Lloreanmar1: Please, just come back if you have questions. the channel's logged, and we don't need to fill them up.
06:36:45mar1ok sorry
06:36:50mar1im a minimalist too
06:36:54mar1at times
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06:37:03mixfeverLlorean, does Itunes still do that?
06:37:15Lloreanmar1: Please, just read the channel guidelines. For example, we discourage short, broken lines and favour full sentences.
06:37:29Lloreanmixfever: itunes can be used to restore an ipod, yes.
06:37:46LloreanBut we have methods for restoring one without iTunes too.
06:38:10mar1ok very well then I will not write short broken lines but I do not feel that I need to study guidelines before I chat that's like actually reading the text before you click I agree, who does that?
06:38:56Lloreanmar1: Punctuation is also important. Consider reading the guidelines because if you continue to intentionally ignore them, I'll get tired of having you around.
06:39:26LloreanNobody here is obligated to help you, and being disrespectful to the channel while still expecting your questions to be answered is silly.
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06:44:24mar1ok I have an important question now, my sansa mp3 player reads Model:express on the back but it looks very similar to the c200
06:44:38mar1is this a compatible device?
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06:46:11mar1so in theory what will happen if I put this software on it
06:46:19LloreanYou can't.
06:46:35mar1darn, I was looking forward to it
06:47:13mar1so does anyone know where I can buy hardware that is compatible with your software or if I can request support for the express model
06:47:56krazykitmar1, ebay is a common source of rockbox -compatible players
06:48:12LloreanRequesting support doesn't really work. It can take months or years for support to happen, and requires people with a genuine deep interest in the player. Basically, people who already own one.
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07:11:21DuoMaxwelAlright, so I followed through the recvoery mode procedure and I managed to get the full screen to display correctly in the original firmware
07:11:28DuoMaxwelhowever under rockbox the top 2 lines are still black
07:17:17DuoMaxwelif i put the screen in upside down mode...the lines that were out are fine
07:17:27DuoMaxwelbut the new top (the physical bottom of the player) is now black
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12:59:29Buschelsaratoga: i could speed up mpc synth (64bit precision) by ~1.5MHz without loss of precision by simply not pre-scaling D[]
12:59:53Buschelsaratoga: the same should be applicable to mp3 with a little bit more savings (~2.1MHz)
13:02:35Buschelsaratoga: another result from mpc -> 32bit synth = 11.8 MHz, 64bit synth = 14.0 MHz
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14:28:09Buschelsaratoga: libmad already uses the un-scaled D[] as well. i also have different results than you regarding profiling. synth = 12.6MHz and dct32 = 6.6MHz.
14:28:29Buschelsaratoga: both are in fact quite fast for full precision
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15:18:55RatoLasteHarawere you from?
15:19:17RatoLasteHaraexcuse-me because my poor english
15:19:30hg87who? me?
15:19:45RatoLasteHarayou hg87
15:19:47hg87from austria
15:19:52RatoLasteHarai am from brazil
15:20:05hg87oh, that's far away from here. ;)
15:20:16RatoLasteHarawhat about this room
15:20:30RatoLasteHarai enter here because have many people online
15:20:44RatoLasteHarabut only us talking here
15:20:46*domonoky points to #rockbox-community... please stay on-topic here
15:20:48bertrikthis is the support and development channel for rockbox, it is logged and not intended for social talk. Try #rockbox-community
15:21:05RatoLasteHaratell me more about rockbox
15:21:09hg87RatoLasteHara: have a look at /topic ;)
15:21:59RatoLasteHarawow nice
15:22:21RatoLasteHarai like open-source
15:22:46RatoLasteHarai use Linux since 2002
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15:23:35hg87do i have to set the /dev/sdcX device for setting rockbox up with the rockbox utility, or the moutpoint from the ipod?
15:23:54domonokyhg87: the mountpoint..
15:23:57hg87it's the 5th generation, and the installation was first done on windows, but something is broken.
15:24:10hg87domonoky: the problem is that the rockbox utility doesn't recognice the ipod.
15:24:18hg87when i set the mountpoint there.
15:24:31krazykithg87, are you running the rockbox utility as sudo/root?
15:24:42hg87krazykit: ATM as user.
15:24:49hg87krazykit: do i have to run that at root?
15:25:30domonokythe patchers (ipodpatcher and sansapatcher) need raw disd access, normally only root has this..
15:25:42hg87domonoky: thanks, i'll try that
15:25:50domonokythis patchers are used in rbutil for detection and bootloader install
15:26:20krazykithg87, if you have sudo insatlled, just prepend sudo to how you started rockbox utility from the command line, ie sudo ./rbutil
15:27:01hg87krazykit: i just didn't know that root access is required. :)
15:27:35hg87are there german voice-files available which work with the actual rockbox versions?
15:28:03hg87because the owner of this ipod is nearly complete blind, and audio output files would be a charm.
15:29:08domonokyhg87: i think rockbox provides only english voice files, maybe some users provide a german version. Otherwise you can use rbutil to generate your own voice file, in the language you like :-)
15:29:34hg87domonoky: i saw that in the rockbox utility, and i think we'll do that
15:30:01domonokyinstead of rbutil, the build system can also be used for voice generation... (if there are problems with usung rbutil)..
15:30:35hg87domonoky: but rockbox itself is a charm for him, because you can set the size of the fonts.
15:32:08domonokysure, rockbox has many blind users...
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15:38:17hg87so, after a reset it worked to install rockbox successfully :) - thanks!
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16:11:17sly-folfwill rockbox run on the Archos Av400?
16:12:31domonokysly-folf: no, see rockbox front page for supported models..
16:12:54sly-folfah well, just hoping!
16:13:24sly-folfI'm getting tired of the origional user interface
16:15:47cool_walking_Try pointing existing Av400 owners at Rockbox and hoping one of them is a developer and interested.
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18:37:35Jonj20hey does any one want to team up and help me port rockbox onto a sansa m240?
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18:39:19fdineljonj20: well there is some thread for that player already on the forums
18:39:29fdinelhave fun joining the effort :)
18:39:43fdinelit also depends if you have a v1 or a v2
18:39:53gevaertsJonj20: don't get impatient. Most people here are not continually looking at their irc window, so they won't respond within three seconds
18:40:21Jonj20yea i know i looked at the forums and i have version 1 and i been doing some research
18:40:40Jonj20and i want to join a team and try to get this thing going
18:41:46fdinelthen you're on the right track :)
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18:42:36fdinelThis is the place to look at:
18:42:43Jonj20yea so im tryin to get enough people to get a team going and we all do a certain part and hopefully get it going
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18:43:03Jonj20thanks for the link
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18:46:48Jonj20so does any one want to join a team and try to get it going
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19:29:31codingtiggerAnybody knows where to get a complete API reference for Rockbox?
19:29:40codingtiggerI could only find the graphics API
19:29:40BigBambithe code
19:29:52BigBambiI'm not being facetious though
19:29:58codingtiggerI understand
19:30:21codingtiggerI was wondering if someone put together some more succint docs
19:30:29codingtiggerIf not, I'll just go through thte code
19:30:36BigBambi is what there is
19:30:48BigBambiBut I think you will have to look at the code for a lot of it
19:30:49codingtiggeryeah, I read that
19:30:55codingtiggerthat's fine
19:30:58BigBambiNo one would object to better docs though :)
19:31:04BigBambino probs
19:31:14codingtiggerBTw, how does one submit docs for review?
19:31:37BigBambidocs or code?
19:31:46codingtiggerdocs, if I decide to document the AIP
19:31:52BigBambicool :)
19:32:07BigBambiI'd make a wiki page, and then ask in here for people to have a look
19:32:12codingtiggeroh ok
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19:36:59Lynx_What does 'study mode' do? Can't find a manual or wiki entry for it.
19:37:14BigBambiLynx_: Nothing to do with studying
19:37:20BigBambiIt is a stupid name
19:38:48Lynx_ah, thanks
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20:02:09Buschelwhat was the exaxt command for sync'ing to a specific revision?
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20:03:44mewshiHey there :)
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20:20:55markunhi mewshi
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21:13:16allelehey hey
21:15:48allelefor rockbox's lcd_bitmap function, are the last two arguments able to used to stretch or shrink the image?
21:19:41BigBambiFor those who are interested (primarily linuxstb I guess who isn't here), I've just opened a ATMT MP170
21:19:55BigBambiIt is indeed almost identical to the Logik DAX
21:20:40BigBambiwhat I assume is the DAB chip has different numbers though
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21:35:35BigBambiWhat is the preferred name formatting for wiki pages - I am creating one for the ATMT MP170 - do we prefer ATMTMP170Port or AtmtMP170Port or a different option?
21:37:59*BigBambi goes for the latter - it can be changed later if desired
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22:08:16saratogaBuschel: how did you get 12Mhz for Synth_full?
22:08:40saratogacommenting it out double runtime for me, indicating that it was using 50% of the total cpu time
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22:09:16saratogaoh i see you're counting dct32 and synthfull seperately, that makes more sense
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22:09:42Buschelsaratoga: i commented out all the synth-stuff (synth_full1/2 and the small assembler macros)
22:09:55Buschelsaratoga: after that a seocnd run with dct32 commented out
22:10:08saratogayeah i must have commented out the entire funtion without thinking about dct32
22:10:20Buschelmakes sense
22:10:30Buschel(in terms of the results)
22:10:43saratogathat would imply that theres some other functions out there using significant CPU time then
22:11:34saratogaalso, i played around with scaling the D[] coefficients very hastily last night
22:11:58Buschelit's 6.6 for dct32 12 for synth (=~19MHz = 50%) + all the imdct-stuff
22:12:16saratogathe imdct stuff is fairly quick
22:12:23saratoga~27% of runtime
22:12:30*Buschel slaps his CoolEdit 2000...
22:12:35saratogaso theres something else using another ~1/4 of the time
22:12:46saratogamaybe huffman decoding?
22:12:54Buschelbcause i didn't set ti ti internal 32bit precision i've lost 5 hours or so...
22:13:29Buschelsaratoga: huffman + requantization
22:13:54saratogahuffman would be nasty to optmize, but requantization on wma could be speed up pretty easily with ASM
22:13:58saratogado mad already have that?
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22:14:25Buschelsaratoga: only had a quick look at it. my impressions was it's tableized
22:15:12saratogaregarding synthfull, i did something wrong and completely screwed up playback last night, but even so I'm pretty sure I was using 32x16=64 muls
22:15:17saratogathe speedup was less then impressive
22:15:44saratogai'm actually wondering if it would be worth double checking that the MAC type multiplies actually get the speedup too
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22:16:07saratogathough it would be ridiculous if they did not
22:16:39Buschelsaratoga: i played a lot with mpc today. all the mul/mla/smull/smlal stuff behaves as it should −− regarding cycles
22:17:23Buschelsaratoga: when changing synth to 32bit a maximum gain of about 1.4 MHz could be reached
22:17:54Buschelsaratoga: if you might allow distortion you may gain some additional 1-1.5MHz
22:18:24saratogaI think i saw an overall speedup of about 5% for the codec, though I can't promise the way i did it was optimal
22:20:33Buschelat least we must say the libmad guys (and everyone woh further tweaked it) did a good job so far :-)
22:21:43saratogathen why is it still so slow?
22:22:45Buschelwhen looking at the synth/dct32 i think because they did not allow themselves to drop precision
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22:23:42saratogaother then scaling the D coefficients to speed up muls, i'm not sure how else to trade precision for performance
22:23:58saratogawe could drop the 64 bit accumulators, but then we'd have to rescale after every mul
22:24:04saratogaand that would eat up the gain
22:24:14saratogabut SSO didn't improve anything when I tried it
22:24:36saratogaall it does is save a few shifts, and those are so quick and so few they hardly matter
22:24:47saratogai mean you do, what, 8 muls per shift ?
22:26:03Buschelbut not in the asm'ed part. if you prescale subbandsamples in dct32 (32x each subband sample) and prescale D() (compile time) you'll still exchange smull with mul about 512 times per subband sample
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22:26:52Buschelyou'll only need post scale the result itself, not after each mul
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22:27:01saratogaah I see what you're getting at
22:27:57Buschelthere are about 0.7 Mio mul/mla per channel and second of playtime in synth
22:29:11Buschelbut you'll only need to add 0.0441 Mio post shifts and even lesser pre shifts in dct32
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22:35:44Buschelsaratoga: did you take a look at the imdct factors? could these be downscaled for faster multiply?
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22:42:12saratogaBuschel: I haven't looked at the IMDCT at all actually
22:43:12saratogai really need to spend some more time on my GSOC project, but I'll try and look at it for a bit now
22:43:29Buschelthe same for me and my family...
22:46:11saratogaBuschel: have you looked at DCT32?
22:46:28saratogaseems to me we could speed it up pretty easily just by truncating those trig constants
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22:48:14Buschelsaratoga: that's not that easy. the results are used again for the next butterflies. you'll need to post sclae them immediately after the mul. this will eat the most the savings
22:50:20saratogaBuschel: don't the results of each multiply need to be rescaled already?
22:50:37saratogathough i guess digging through that asm to do so would be quite unplesant
22:51:05Buschelsaratoga: you're right!
22:52:12Buschelsaratoga: but the dct32 should not scale that much with mul-optimizations... only 0.1 Mio per second
22:54:01saratogaare you sure its that low?
22:54:12Buschel80 muls per dct32 call
22:54:28saratogaand that produces 32 samples?
22:55:02Buschelyes, but there are also lots of rsb/add + shifts in it. as well as several ldr/str
22:55:24Buschelsaratoga: look at the C code of the dct32
22:55:43saratogathat would imply we could save .44MHz if we used 16 bit muls
22:55:56saratogathough maybe its not worth trying to dig through all that asm for a half mhz
22:56:16Buschelbut we do not know what impact this would have on the precision...
22:56:39saratogai doubt it'd be that much
22:56:45Buschelthe imdct is interesting in terms of performance
22:57:01saratoga16 bit trig constants are generally enough, particularly for such a short transform length
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23:09:31Bagderthe top-10 search phrases used to end up on
23:09:53Bagderduring June
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23:13:29webguest07does rockbox work on ipod 2nd gen 4gb nano?
23:13:51scorchethe front page should answer that question...
23:14:25webguest07alright i'll take a look thanks!
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23:47:50amaldoAnyone trying to get JTAG working on a Sansa e200v2 ? I've got mine with cables soldered on the board, but get no answer, and I'm wondering if the pinout on the forums (suggested by hth) is correct.
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