#rockbox 2008-06-14

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01:22:34	aaroedk	When holding the menu button down on my ipod while connecting it to my computer in order to use it while charging, windows pops up with a request for a Rockbox mediaplayer driver - is there something I've missed because I haven't seen this being mentioned in the manual anywhere.
01:24:00	BigBambi	aaroedk: just ignore it
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01:24:22	BigBambi	aaroedk: Rockbox on devices that need a software usb stack don't yet have one in Rockbox
01:24:42	BigBambi	aaroedk: And that popup is a side effect of asking for charging but not having a proper stack
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01:25:05	aaroedk	BigBambi, ok no problem. I was just wondering if there was some fancy functionality I haven't discovered yet :)
01:25:50	BigBambi	aaroedk: Hopefully in the future :)
01:26:36	aaroedk	BigBambi, awesome :)
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01:41:24	aaroedk	My God. I stand in awe of rockbox. It has every single feature I've been missing with the standard ipod firmware... It's simply made of win!
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01:42:15	BigBambi	aaroedk: true :)
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01:43:40	aaroedk	BigBambi, It sure is, but I've been nohing but amazed with it during this entire day where I've played with it. Just a small thing such it's possible to queue songs and using the ipod as a "jukebox" is something I've been looking for. It's going to be awesome for this year's Roskilde Festival :)
01:44:28	aaroedk	...and slap on a skin with clear colors and big font which makes it viewable when drunk along with the possibility to have it play while charging is going to guarantee music all night long :)
01:45:34	BigBambi	:)
01:47:13	aaroedk	BigBambi, I know that rockbox have been in development since 2001 and I assume that the developers know what they're doing but do crashes and fatal errors still occur on players such as my 5th generation ipod?
01:47:37	BigBambi	it is possible
01:47:49	aaroedk	From what I can read, everything runs pretty smooth, but I'd hate to bring this to 10 days of rock festival and have it crash and burn on the 2nd day leaving us with not alternative :)
01:47:55	BigBambi	ipods are probably the worst supported targets
01:48:01	aaroedk	They are?
01:48:09	BigBambi	As they are undocumented, so reverse engineering hardware is dfficult
01:48:12	scorche\|sh	pixelma: i do think the manual is getting a bit behind though with regards to some undocumented features and plugins =/
01:48:22	scorche\|sh	of course i can fix this as well, but i am just expressing a thought
01:48:41	BigBambi	aaroedk: you can always just reset in the unlikely event of a crash
01:48:44	pixelma	yes, I know that
01:49:19	aaroedk	BigBambi, ofcourse but what about the music I've put on it. I don't assume that the standard ipod firmware will accept it, will it?
01:49:32	BigBambi	aaroedk: not if you copy and pasted
01:49:47	BigBambi	But if you use itunes the rockbox database will index it if it is properly tagged
01:49:52	aaroedk	BigBambi, ok, so still use the old transfer method and load it into the database?
01:49:58	aaroedk	BigBambi :)
01:50:01	pixelma	scorche\|sh: problem is that not enough people seem to care, also the developers who implement new features (even a simple text would be helpful sometimes)
01:50:04	BigBambi	And when I say reset, you can just resest back into rockbox
01:50:29	BigBambi	aaroedk: sure. Personally I would rather do anything than let itunes anywhere near anything I own, but heh
01:50:57	aaroedk	BigBambi, you've actually just made me remember yet another question I had. Is it possible to still boot into the old ipod firmware if -god forbid! - something happens with rockbox?
01:51:01	scorche\|sh	pixelma: indeed...i have half considered making people at least write a small blurb about it
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01:51:11	BigBambi	aaroedk: yes, dual boot works by default
01:51:15	scorche\|sh	pixelma: perhaps this can go on the DCE list
01:51:30	BigBambi	aaroedk: check the manual for the key - I don't have an ipod and can't remember off the top of my head
01:51:41	aaroedk	BigBambi, I share your oppinon, I just use Winamp to transfer my music instead. It seems that it's transfer works flawlessly with the rockbox db.
01:51:50	pixelma	scorche\|sh: and not even documented plugins are up to date (thinking of the text viewer as a "nice" example) :\
01:51:57	BigBambi	aaroedk: The RB database is 'just a tag database
01:52:10	aaroedk	BigBambi, oh ok... cool. Better make some notes about this so I'm prepared for the worst :)
01:52:13	scorche\|sh	pixelma: did you want to add it to the DCE discussion list, or shall i? ;)
01:52:19	BigBambi	So as long as the music is there, rockbox couldn't care less how it got there or what the filenames are
01:52:26	pixelma	scorche\|sh: good idea, go ahead ;)
01:52:39	aaroedk	BigBambi, true :)
01:52:55	scorche\|sh	pixelma: perhaps after i finish this last stretch of work ;)
01:52:58	BigBambi	Personally, I'm file browser all the way :)
01:53:13	scorche\|sh	pixelma: i think we will almost need to have 2 days of discussion with all these topics
01:53:17	aaroedk	BigBambi, so you simply just transfer them over and strictly use rockbox?
01:53:33	BigBambi	aaroedk: yes (I don't have an ipod btw)
01:53:45	BigBambi	aaroedk: but I do that on all my targets
01:53:55	aaroedk	BigBambi, oh ye, you mentioned that - I forgot :)
01:54:20	pixelma	scorche\|sh: yes, but also depending on the level of beer consumption ;)
01:55:00	BigBambi	aaroedk: but I do have a few others :)
01:55:14	aaroedk	BigBambi, well I stay away from iTunes to - luckily the winamp support is brilliant. But I think for now I'll transfer the ol' ipod-way just to have a backup during the festival in case lightning strikes :)
01:56:14	BigBambi	aaroedk: So long as all the files are properly tagged (which isn't the same as the itunes database being up-to-date), and you are happy using the database, then yes, that'd work well :)
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01:57:01	aaroedk	BigBambi, Cool - rockbox truly is godsend for my needs :) Nothing else to do than play with it intesively untill the festival and get a good feel for it :)
01:57:36	BigBambi	aaroedk: A fine plan:) - in addition to the fine manual :)
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01:59:05	aaroedk	BigBambi, ye. Which actually leads to yet another wave of applauds from me. Once I started reading about installing new bootloader and so on, I really thought this would be a task with high risk and which demanded some technical finess.
01:59:22	aaroedk	I was si surprised to find that the whole installation task was so userfriendly as it was.
01:59:53	aaroedk	There's no reason for anyone NOT to use rockbox instead of the crappy and limited standard ipod firmware :)
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02:00:12	BigBambi	The ipods are very resilient - even if you do cock something up, short of taking a hammer to it, it is very difficult to do anything truly bad
02:00:20	BigBambi	aaroedk: did you use rbutil?
02:01:26	aaroedk	BigBambi, this 5th generation ipod is about to be brought along for it's 3rd Roskilde Festival - each of 10 days durations. It's really taken a beating and judging by the experior you really wouldn't think there would ever come music from it - but it just keeps on rockin' :)
02:01:40	BigBambi	even more so now :)
02:01:54	aaroedk	BigBambi, I actually meant to use the rbutil, but it complained about no themes being present so I just used the manual way.
02:02:27	BigBambi	yes, for the 5th gen theme downloads via rbutil are currently disabled for download reasons
02:02:54	aaroedk	BigBambi, ahh so that's why. Well, nevermind the manual install went smooth :)
02:02:58	BigBambi	s/download/bandwidth
02:03:39	BigBambi	they will be back up when the devs in question have some free time to transition the theme site
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02:03:51	aaroedk	BigBambi, ye I noticed that on the theme site - but what the hell, I don't need anything fancy. I've just gotten myself a theme with high-contrast colors and fonts large enough for blind people to read them so it's ready for the festival :)
02:03:59	*	BigBambi names no names :)
02:04:10	*	pixelma should ;)
02:04:15	BigBambi	hehe
02:06:14	pixelma	although I also got an unfinished part for that (working with divs so it scales better to different screen resolutions but it has its downsides too)
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02:15:55	aaroedk	Since you can import your ipod tracks to the rockbox db is there also a way to import your playlists?
02:16:02	Llorean	No.
02:16:23	Llorean	The Rockbox DB doesn't have any sort of playlist database.
02:16:35	Llorean	But there are tools to export iTunes playlists that might work, or so I've heard.
02:16:55	aaroedk	Llorean, well I try to keep away from itunes so I guess I'll just have to redo them :)
02:17:29	Llorean	Just about any tool that can create M3U or M3U8 playlists will work fine, just point them at the files on the player.
02:17:59	pixelma	I read some directions in the forums but not sure if they still work (and I don't even have an Ipod)
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03:46:49	wpyh	sorry, I found it now
03:47:13	wpyh	eeminy: are you there? thanks for the updates to the IpodConversionToFAT32 page, but I have a few questions for you :)
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04:26:34	BigBambi	Has anyone heard from rasher recently? Last I can find in the logs is 17/04/2008.
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04:34:45	joconnorwi	hello all! Can I get some suggestions of your favorite widescreen pmp?
04:35:50	joconnorwi	anyone?
04:38:51	krazykit	joconnorwi, this is an on-topic channel about rockbox. discussion about non-rockbox devices (except porting efforts) is offtopic here
04:39:25	joconnorwi	but, i'd like to use rockbox on whatever I get!
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05:02:59	soap	there is no "widescreen" PMP supported by Rockbox.,
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05:04:48	DuoMaxwel	hey everyone....having a weird problem
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05:05:01	DuoMaxwel	i just installed rockbox on this sansa e280 and after plugging it in for the first time to my computer
05:05:09	DuoMaxwel	the top 2 lines of the lcd are cut off in rockbox
05:05:16	DuoMaxwel	and in the default firmware they are corrupt colors
05:05:18	Llorean	soap: Well, the c200 has a widescreen aspect ratio, color screen, plays video, and has removable storage. ;)
05:06:03	Llorean	DuoMaxwel: Did you follow the official install instructions from Rockbox.org, and not install anything else but what the manual says to?
05:06:15	DuoMaxwel	i used the rockbox utility
05:06:20	DuoMaxwel	and that's all i did to it
05:06:42	DuoMaxwel	i made the .rockbox folder hidden as i did to version.sdk and version.txt
05:06:56	DuoMaxwel	but i did that on my last e280 and it was fine
05:07:04	Llorean	The top two lines being like that is a very old bug that should be fixed, unless you're using an old bootloader.
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05:07:40	DuoMaxwel	i just uninstalled the bootloader to see if it goes away
05:07:47	DuoMaxwel	and its still the same
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05:08:20	Llorean	If it's happening without the bootloader installed, I can't see how it relates to Rockbox then. Without the bootloader installed, no Rockbox code runs.
05:08:46	DuoMaxwel	well yeah i figured =P
05:08:53	DuoMaxwel	any ideas on why it happened though? fauly lcd screen?
05:08:57	DuoMaxwel	it was fine up until pluggin it in
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05:11:16	DuoMaxwel	on starting to the first sansa screen it doesnt have it...then afterwards it does
05:11:54	DuoMaxwel	any ideas...im starting to freak out that im goign to have to RMA it again
05:12:54	Llorean	You had RBUtil actually remove the bootloader, you didn't just delete .rockbox, right?
05:13:24	advcomp2019	sounds like you have an old bootloader because i remember that issue myself
05:14:07	DuoMaxwel	right Llorean
05:14:25	DuoMaxwel	i first removed rockbox by clicking remove rockbox, then removed the bootloader by clicking remove bootloader
05:14:51	Llorean	You might want to try updating or re-installing the original firmware.
05:15:16	DuoMaxwel	alright, ill grab it off of the sandisk site as soon as i retry installing rockbox
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05:17:21	danielblanche54	Is there any way to turn off the "recording" section listed in the main menu of Rockbox (I'm using a 80GB iPod)
05:18:39	Llorean	Only by compiling a build without it
05:19:07	danielblanche54	Ok, thanks
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05:19:56	danielblanche54	Its just that whenever I accidentally go in there, it will disable sound output until it is restarted, and it gets slightly annoying, but thank you! :)
05:21:55	Llorean	Yeah, that's a bug that's been there for a very long time. =/
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05:22:38	danielblanche54	May I ask why that bug is present. Is it known what is causing it/
05:22:38	danielblanche54	?
05:23:10	Llorean	Knowing what causes it, and knowing the right way to fix it are two different things.
05:23:31	Llorean	Personally though, I know neither. I think it's known what causes it, though.
05:24:01	danielblanche54	Yeah, I guessed as much. thank you for the answer, however.
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05:25:48	danielblanche54	and another thing, while I'm here. Is it possible to charge my iPod with rockbox while it is switched off and plugged into a wall outlet?
05:26:56	Hillshum	it will turn on to charge\
05:27:30	DuoMaxwel	im guessing he meant from rockbox
05:28:31	danielblanche54	in the Apple firmware it can stay in standby to charge, under rockbox it will boot up fully to charge.
05:28:47	DuoMaxwel	Llorean this is really confusing and doesn't make any sense
05:28:52	danielblanche54	I worded my original question very badly, sorry!
05:29:03	DuoMaxwel	i just updated the firmware (sandisk) and there's still those two lines that are corrupt on the leftand then black on the right
05:29:26	DuoMaxwel	when i first start it up they show up the regular color but then the whole screen shifts downwards and those top lines are corrupt
05:30:10	Llorean	danielblanche54: Rockbox doesn't have a standby mode.
05:30:28	Llorean	DuoMaxwel: Well, it's not really something we can help you with here. This channel is for support of the Rockbox software itself
05:31:09	danielblanche54	Thank you
05:32:27	DuoMaxwel	im going to try that sandisk connect recovery thing
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05:36:14	DuoMaxwel	Llorean: you spoke of a bug involving the top lines of the lcd screen..what did that regard?
05:36:30	DuoMaxwel	i googled for it but all i found was something on the ipod and its screen lines remaining on after turning the ipod off
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05:36:49	Llorean	DuoMaxwel: If you're having the problem without Rockbox installed, I don't see what it matters...
05:37:04	Llorean	You really need to be investigating Sandisk's support paths at this point.
05:39:07	DuoMaxwel	i dont know, the similarities seem a bit too similar
05:40:02	Llorean	What similarities? Our bug was a problem in _Rockbox_ initializing the hardware improperly. Your problem is somewhere in the Sandisk firmware. Even if the problem is the same, it's their firmware and not something we're here to fix.
05:44:03	DuoMaxwel	im trying a recovery mode reformat/firmware upgrade
05:44:19	DuoMaxwel	i know you aren't here to fix something...i was merely asking out of curiousity
05:44:22	Llorean	Please, take this to the off-topic channel.
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05:47:31	DuoMaxwel	Llorean: why am i being pushed off to the off-topic channel?
05:47:46	Llorean	As I've said a few times, the topic here is Rockbox...
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05:48:03	DuoMaxwel	I'm asking for a help regarding a problem that occurred while using rockbox
05:48:24	Llorean	Yes, but a problem we've established is not a Rockbox problem...
05:49:15	soap	Llorean, the c200 is 16:9?
05:49:43	Llorean	soap: Approximately. Closer to 16:9 than 4:3
05:49:50	Llorean	I think it's actually 16:10
05:51:03	soap	15:9 I'll be
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05:55:31	Megaqwerty	Could anyone here help me out? I'm trying to install rockbox on a first generation iPod nano, and the ipodpatcher is giving me: [ERR] Short read - requested 8388608 bytes, received 324096 any ideas?
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05:56:16	Jonj20	help
05:57:12	wpyh	Megaqwerty: does it always receive 324096 bytes, or does it change randomly?
05:57:24	Megaqwerty	wpyh: I'll check, hold on
05:57:35	Jonj20	hey can any 1 help me im tryin to install rockbox on my sansa m240 mp3 player
05:57:46	Megaqwerty	wpyh: Yes, it always does.
05:58:03	wpyh	Megaqwerty: even after you unplugged and plugged in the nano again?
05:58:16	Megaqwerty	wpyh: haven't tried that. Hold on.
05:58:54	Jonj20	please can any 1 help me in new to rockbox
05:59:06	DuoMaxwel	Jonj: don't simply ask forh elp
05:59:07	DuoMaxwel	do some work
05:59:12	DuoMaxwel	go to the site
05:59:17	wpyh	AFAIK rockbox supports "Sansa c200, e200 and e200R series (not the v2 models)" (quoting www.rockbox.org)
05:59:18	DuoMaxwel	dont expect to be simply spoon-fed instructions
05:59:33	DuoMaxwel	wpyh...way to spoon feed him =P
05:59:48	wpyh	DuoMaxwel: sorry :)
05:59:55	Megaqwerty	wpyh: Yes, even after unplugging, and plugging it back in.
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06:00:02	Jonj20	i no but im trying to install it on a m240 just with the source code
06:00:10	*	wpyh thinks it migt be a hardware issue
06:00:12	DuoMaxwel	Jon
06:00:21	wpyh	Megaqwerty: are you on Linux?
06:00:25	Megaqwerty	wpyh: correct
06:00:26	DuoMaxwel	so you programmed your own drivers for the m240 and found a way to replace the source code?
06:00:36	*	wpyh wonders whether Jonj20 wants to port rockbox to m240
06:00:43	Llorean	Jonj20: You can't just install it and hope it'll work. You'll need to do a lot of programming first.
06:00:46	Jonj20	yes
06:01:00	wpyh	Megaqwerty: IIRC ipodpatcher tries to read the fw partition...
06:01:08	Jonj20	im just looking for pointers and tips thats all
06:01:19	Llorean	Jonj20: Also, since no port exists, you'll need to figure out how to install on it, since there isn't a method yet...
06:01:35	wpyh	can you do "dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=fwpartition" ? this is just checking to make sure linux can actually read it (change sdb1 to your fw partition)
06:02:04	Jonj20	ok thnks and i no people done it before thats y im looking for help
06:02:06	Megaqwerty	wpyh: yeah, I can read it, it mounts fine (that's how I got the .rockbox directory on there as per the manual)
06:02:31	wpyh	Megaqwerty: The one you mounted is the second partition right? the first partition is the fw partition
06:02:38	Megaqwerty	wpyh: ah
06:02:45	Llorean	Jonj20: No, Rockbox has not been successfully installed yet. People have experimented with the hardware, that's it.
06:03:08	Megaqwerty	wpyh: that might be it: dd: reading `/dev/sdb1': Input/output error
06:03:22	Jonj20	o but didnt they get parts of it on there
06:03:35	wpyh	Megaqwerty: at which byte?
06:03:42	wpyh	it will error at the last byte :p
06:04:25	Megaqwerty	wpyh: hold on, pastebin
06:04:32	wpyh	you can also see the output file, how bit is it?
06:04:34	Megaqwerty	wpyh: http://paste2.org/p/38997
06:04:35	wpyh	*big
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06:05:02	Jonj20	so can any 1 give me some pointers on how to experiment with it
06:05:14	Llorean	Jonj20: Please use real English in here.
06:05:20	Megaqwerty	wpyh: it's 38.1MB
06:05:20	Llorean	The channel guidelines mention this.
06:05:28	Jonj20	ok im sorry
06:05:45	wpyh	Megaqwerty: that sounds looks normal...
06:06:07	Jonj20	ok here so can any one give me any pointers on how to experiment with it?
06:06:35	Llorean	Jonj20: What needs done depends on whether you have a v1 or v2 m200 series, but current status and areas of investigation are n the forum
06:06:38	Llorean	in
06:07:05	Jonj20	ok thanks ill check them out
06:07:15	wpyh	hold on
06:07:20	Megaqwerty	wpyh: thanks
06:07:41	Jonj20	i got a version 1.3.0a
06:07:49	wpyh	Megaqwerty: can you please post the output of 'fdisk -l /dev/sdb' and 'sfdisk -d /dev/sdb'?
06:08:24	wpyh	and also the dmesg output after you plugged in the ipod (with the dd and ipodpatcher runs, etc)
06:08:35	wpyh	it will show up as errors if there's a hardware problem
06:08:36	Megaqwerty	wpyh: http://paste2.org/p/39000 that's the first one
06:09:32	Megaqwerty	wpyh: http://paste2.org/p/39001 the second
06:10:03	wpyh	ok... I'm beginning to think you have a hardware problem
06:10:10	wpyh	let's verify it by looking at dmesg :)
06:10:59	Megaqwerty	http://paste2.org/p/39002 <−−dmesg
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06:11:45	Megaqwerty	wpyh: oh, I didn't include the dd and ipodpatcher runs in that
06:11:56	Megaqwerty	I'll do that now.
06:11:59	wpyh	you should ;)
06:12:09	wpyh	just unplug it, plug it in, then run ipodpatcher and dd
06:12:12	wpyh	then get the dmesg
06:12:40	*	wpyh wonders whether Megaqwerty unmounted the partition before unplugging, seeing that sdb became sdc
06:13:11	Megaqwerty	wpyh: I thought I unmounted first
06:13:16	Megaqwerty	but maybe not
06:13:43	wpyh	don't worry, I do that sometimes
06:14:40	Megaqwerty	wpyh: here's the full thing: http://paste2.org/p/39003
06:15:01	Megaqwerty	well...truncated to just the important stuff at least ;)
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06:15:30	wpyh	yeah, that confirms it
06:15:36	Megaqwerty	wpyh: think I should run dosfsck on it?
06:15:38	wpyh	see the Medium Error messages?
06:15:49	Megaqwerty	yeah
06:15:51	wpyh	it's not related to the FAT32 filesystem
06:16:04	wpyh	it's more of the flash chip inside
06:16:17	wpyh	now it may be
06:16:25	wpyh	1. your computer usb port somehow broken
06:16:30	wpyh	2. the data cable broken
06:16:39	wpyh	3. nano's data port broken
06:16:43	wpyh	4. the flash chip broken
06:16:57	wpyh	I'd check them out one by one
06:16:59	wpyh	:)
06:17:49	Megaqwerty	wpyh: well, it runs the Apple fw fine, the cable lets me read the songs in Rhythmbox, and obviously this USB port lets me do all this...but I'll try plugging it into another port if you'd like.
06:18:58	wpyh	weird things happen :)
06:19:01	Megaqwerty	wpyh: It's been an upstanding citizen other than not letting me play ogg/flac files (and you know...being proprietary)
06:19:23	wpyh	yes, test the items above one by one (don't mix them up)
06:19:24	Megaqwerty	wpyh: no kidding...how could I verify that all this stuff is intact?
06:19:44	wpyh	you mean how test them?
06:19:49	Megaqwerty	wpyh: yeah
06:20:02	wpyh	for example, for the cable you can get a friend's data cable and try
06:20:06	wpyh	make that 2 or 3 friends
06:20:16	wpyh	then do the same, one by one, for the other items
06:20:17	wpyh	:)
06:20:44	Megaqwerty	so, for the nano's data port I have to find someone who will let me install rockbox on their iPod?
06:20:53	wpyh	no
06:20:57	wpyh	don't do that
06:21:09	*	wpyh thinks this talk should go to #rockbox-community
06:21:26	Megaqwerty	wpyh: it's still tech support
06:21:47	wpyh	well, Llorean is here and I think this is ipod nano tech support rather than rockbox tech support :p
06:21:47	Megaqwerty	but alright
06:24:15	Llorean	wpyh: What does me being here have to do with anything?
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06:30:50	jick	but how do you put video on an ipod first gen so you can play it?
06:30:56	mar1	ipods suck
06:31:01	mar1	overpriced
06:31:09	Llorean	mar1: That's off topic for this channel.
06:31:09	mar1	for proprietary software
06:31:11	mixfever	create a folder in the ipods directory and upload the video in it
06:31:12	mar1	oops
06:31:15	mar1	sorry
06:31:28	jick	alright, thanks
06:31:35	mar1	ok I just bought s sansa and want to try rockbox any helpers?
06:31:46	jick	where exactly in the directory?
06:31:50	Llorean	mar1: Have you simply tried the directions in the manual?
06:31:57	Llorean	jick: Anywhere, assuming you're using Rockbox.
06:32:02	jick	indeed
06:32:02	mar1	no
06:32:05	mixfever	lol
06:32:07	jick	but i tried "anywhere"
06:32:12	jick	and it wont show
06:32:14	mar1	is there anyone else who has a sansa in here?
06:32:29	mar1	that has done it
06:32:32	Llorean	jick: Did you convert it as per the directions in the PluginMpegplayer wiki page?
06:32:39	Llorean	Assuming mpegplayer is even compiled for 1G
06:32:47	advcomp2019	mar1, yea but have you read the manual?
06:32:49	mixfever	yea you need to open the ipod up like a normal media disk and in the main directory create the video volder to host the videos in.
06:32:51	Llorean	mar1: Try the manual, as I said. It's quite simple
06:32:59	mar1	ok ill look
06:32:59	mixfever	*folder
06:33:04	Llorean	mixfever: You don't need to create any folders, you can put them anywhere...
06:33:09	mar1	but how do I backup the origional firmware?
06:33:10	mixfever	yea
06:33:20	mar1	before I embark
06:33:22	jick	no i did not llorean, sorry. will .AVIs still work?
06:33:25	mixfever	but for oranization, just my thinking. sorry
06:33:36	Llorean	jick: No. It's an mpeg player. There are conversion instructions you need to follow
06:33:42	jick	thanks
06:33:48	advcomp2019	mar1, you do not need to since there is places to get the firmware
06:33:55	Llorean	mar1: You don't need to. Even if something goes wrong you can just download a copy to restore with.
06:34:08	mar1	ohh I just go to mfg site if rockbox blowz
06:34:19	jick	so pretty much give it up if i have to get going now and go by the wiki later?
06:34:37	Llorean	jick: Yes. Conversion often takes quite a few minutes anyway.
06:35:02	Llorean	mar1: Please try to limit yourself to real words in here, as per the channel guidelines.
06:35:10	mar1	ok
06:35:12	mar1	blows
06:35:16	mixfever	It's been a while, but If you use Itunes wont that already put the firmware back on it when you make the connection? It's been a while since I have used itunes since I use Amarok on OpenSUSE
06:35:49	Llorean	mixfever: He's asking about a Sansa...
06:36:10	mar1	ill go check the manueal and report back as if someone cares to hear how its going, sound good?
06:36:28	mar1	(nods) :) ?
06:36:32	mar1	yea?
06:36:37	mar1	sound good?
06:36:38	Llorean	mar1: Please, just come back if you have questions. the channel's logged, and we don't need to fill them up.
06:36:45	mar1	ok sorry
06:36:50	mar1	im a minimalist too
06:36:54	mar1	at times
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06:37:03	mixfever	Llorean, does Itunes still do that?
06:37:15	Llorean	mar1: Please, just read the channel guidelines. For example, we discourage short, broken lines and favour full sentences.
06:37:29	Llorean	mixfever: itunes can be used to restore an ipod, yes.
06:37:46	Llorean	But we have methods for restoring one without iTunes too.
06:38:10	mar1	ok very well then I will not write short broken lines but I do not feel that I need to study guidelines before I chat that's like actually reading the text before you click I agree, who does that?
06:38:56	Llorean	mar1: Punctuation is also important. Consider reading the guidelines because if you continue to intentionally ignore them, I'll get tired of having you around.
06:39:26	Llorean	Nobody here is obligated to help you, and being disrespectful to the channel while still expecting your questions to be answered is silly.
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06:44:24	mar1	ok I have an important question now, my sansa mp3 player reads Model:express on the back but it looks very similar to the c200
06:44:38	mar1	is this a compatible device?
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06:45:50	Llorean	No.
06:46:11	mar1	so in theory what will happen if I put this software on it
06:46:19	Llorean	You can't.
06:46:35	mar1	darn, I was looking forward to it
06:47:13	mar1	so does anyone know where I can buy hardware that is compatible with your software or if I can request support for the express model
06:47:56	krazykit	mar1, ebay is a common source of rockbox -compatible players
06:48:12	Llorean	Requesting support doesn't really work. It can take months or years for support to happen, and requires people with a genuine deep interest in the player. Basically, people who already own one.
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07:11:28	DuoMaxwel	however under rockbox the top 2 lines are still black
07:17:17	DuoMaxwel	if i put the screen in upside down mode...the lines that were out are fine
07:17:27	DuoMaxwel	but the new top (the physical bottom of the player) is now black
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12:59:29	Buschel	saratoga: i could speed up mpc synth (64bit precision) by ~1.5MHz without loss of precision by simply not pre-scaling D[]
12:59:53	Buschel	saratoga: the same should be applicable to mp3 with a little bit more savings (~2.1MHz)
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14:28:09	Buschel	saratoga: libmad already uses the un-scaled D[] as well. i also have different results than you regarding profiling. synth = 12.6MHz and dct32 = 6.6MHz.
14:28:29	Buschel	saratoga: both are in fact quite fast for full precision
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15:18:46	hg87	hello
15:18:49	RatoLasteHara	hello
15:18:55	RatoLasteHara	were you from?
15:19:17	RatoLasteHara	excuse-me because my poor english
15:19:30	hg87	who? me?
15:19:41	RatoLasteHara	yes
15:19:45	RatoLasteHara	you hg87
15:19:47	hg87	from austria
15:19:52	RatoLasteHara	i am from brazil
15:20:05	hg87	oh, that's far away from here. ;)
15:20:16	RatoLasteHara	what about this room
15:20:30	RatoLasteHara	i enter here because have many people online
15:20:44	RatoLasteHara	but only us talking here
15:20:46	*	domonoky points to #rockbox-community... please stay on-topic here
15:20:48	bertrik	this is the support and development channel for rockbox, it is logged and not intended for social talk. Try #rockbox-community
15:21:05	RatoLasteHara	tell me more about rockbox
15:21:09	hg87	RatoLasteHara: have a look at /topic ;)
15:21:59	RatoLasteHara	wow nice
15:22:21	RatoLasteHara	i like open-source
15:22:46	RatoLasteHara	i use Linux since 2002
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15:23:35	hg87	do i have to set the /dev/sdcX device for setting rockbox up with the rockbox utility, or the moutpoint from the ipod?
15:23:54	domonoky	hg87: the mountpoint..
15:23:57	hg87	it's the 5th generation, and the installation was first done on windows, but something is broken.
15:24:10	hg87	domonoky: the problem is that the rockbox utility doesn't recognice the ipod.
15:24:18	hg87	when i set the mountpoint there.
15:24:31	krazykit	hg87, are you running the rockbox utility as sudo/root?
15:24:42	hg87	krazykit: ATM as user.
15:24:49	hg87	krazykit: do i have to run that at root?
15:25:30	domonoky	the patchers (ipodpatcher and sansapatcher) need raw disd access, normally only root has this..
15:25:42	hg87	domonoky: thanks, i'll try that
15:25:50	domonoky	this patchers are used in rbutil for detection and bootloader install
15:26:20	krazykit	hg87, if you have sudo insatlled, just prepend sudo to how you started rockbox utility from the command line, ie sudo ./rbutil
15:27:01	hg87	krazykit: i just didn't know that root access is required. :)
15:27:35	hg87	are there german voice-files available which work with the actual rockbox versions?
15:28:03	hg87	because the owner of this ipod is nearly complete blind, and audio output files would be a charm.
15:29:08	domonoky	hg87: i think rockbox provides only english voice files, maybe some users provide a german version. Otherwise you can use rbutil to generate your own voice file, in the language you like :-)
15:29:34	hg87	domonoky: i saw that in the rockbox utility, and i think we'll do that
15:30:01	domonoky	instead of rbutil, the build system can also be used for voice generation... (if there are problems with usung rbutil)..
15:30:35	hg87	domonoky: but rockbox itself is a charm for him, because you can set the size of the fonts.
15:32:08	domonoky	sure, rockbox has many blind users...
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15:38:17	hg87	so, after a reset it worked to install rockbox successfully :) - thanks!
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16:11:17	sly-folf	will rockbox run on the Archos Av400?
16:12:31	domonoky	sly-folf: no, see rockbox front page for supported models..
16:12:54	sly-folf	ah well, just hoping!
16:13:24	sly-folf	I'm getting tired of the origional user interface
16:15:45	sly-folf	thanks
16:15:47	cool_walking_	Try pointing existing Av400 owners at Rockbox and hoping one of them is a developer and interested.
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18:37:35	Jonj20	hey does any one want to team up and help me port rockbox onto a sansa m240?
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18:38:53	Jonj20	anyone???
18:39:19	fdinel	jonj20: well there is some thread for that player already on the forums
18:39:29	fdinel	have fun joining the effort :)
18:39:43	fdinel	it also depends if you have a v1 or a v2
18:39:53	gevaerts	Jonj20: don't get impatient. Most people here are not continually looking at their irc window, so they won't respond within three seconds
18:40:21	Jonj20	yea i know i looked at the forums and i have version 1 and i been doing some research
18:40:40	Jonj20	and i want to join a team and try to get this thing going
18:41:46	fdinel	then you're on the right track :)
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18:42:36	fdinel	This is the place to look at: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7727.0
18:42:43	Jonj20	yea so im tryin to get enough people to get a team going and we all do a certain part and hopefully get it going
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18:43:03	Jonj20	thanks for the link
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18:46:48	Jonj20	so does any one want to join a team and try to get it going
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19:29:31	codingtigger	Anybody knows where to get a complete API reference for Rockbox?
19:29:40	codingtigger	I could only find the graphics API
19:29:40	BigBambi	the code
19:29:43	codingtigger	hehe
19:29:52	BigBambi	I'm not being facetious though
19:29:58	codingtigger	I understand
19:30:21	codingtigger	I was wondering if someone put together some more succint docs
19:30:29	codingtigger	If not, I'll just go through thte code
19:30:36	BigBambi	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers is what there is
19:30:39	codingtigger	thabks
19:30:48	BigBambi	But I think you will have to look at the code for a lot of it
19:30:49	codingtigger	yeah, I read that
19:30:55	codingtigger	that's fine
19:30:58	BigBambi	No one would object to better docs though :)
19:30:59	codingtigger	Thanks.
19:31:02	codingtigger	hehe
19:31:04	BigBambi	no probs
19:31:14	codingtigger	BTw, how does one submit docs for review?
19:31:37	BigBambi	docs or code?
19:31:46	codingtigger	docs, if I decide to document the AIP
19:31:48	codingtigger	API
19:31:52	BigBambi	cool :)
19:32:07	BigBambi	I'd make a wiki page, and then ask in here for people to have a look
19:32:12	codingtigger	oh ok
19:32:14	codingtigger	Thanks
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19:36:59	Lynx_	What does 'study mode' do? Can't find a manual or wiki entry for it.
19:37:14	BigBambi	Lynx_: Nothing to do with studying
19:37:20	BigBambi	It is a stupid name
19:37:57	BigBambi	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6188
19:38:48	Lynx_	ah, thanks
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21:13:16	allele	hey hey
21:15:48	allele	for rockbox's lcd_bitmap function, are the last two arguments able to used to stretch or shrink the image?
21:19:41	BigBambi	For those who are interested (primarily linuxstb I guess who isn't here), I've just opened a ATMT MP170
21:19:55	BigBambi	It is indeed almost identical to the Logik DAX
21:20:40	BigBambi	what I assume is the DAB chip has different numbers though
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21:35:35	BigBambi	What is the preferred name formatting for wiki pages - I am creating one for the ATMT MP170 - do we prefer ATMTMP170Port or AtmtMP170Port or a different option?
21:37:59	*	BigBambi goes for the latter - it can be changed later if desired
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22:08:16	saratoga	Buschel: how did you get 12Mhz for Synth_full?
22:08:40	saratoga	commenting it out double runtime for me, indicating that it was using 50% of the total cpu time
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22:09:16	saratoga	oh i see you're counting dct32 and synthfull seperately, that makes more sense
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22:09:42	Buschel	saratoga: i commented out all the synth-stuff (synth_full1/2 and the small assembler macros)
22:09:55	Buschel	saratoga: after that a seocnd run with dct32 commented out
22:10:08	saratoga	yeah i must have commented out the entire funtion without thinking about dct32
22:10:20	Buschel	makes sense
22:10:30	Buschel	(in terms of the results)
22:10:43	saratoga	that would imply that theres some other functions out there using significant CPU time then
22:11:34	saratoga	also, i played around with scaling the D[] coefficients very hastily last night
22:11:58	Buschel	it's 6.6 for dct32 12 for synth (=~19MHz = 50%) + all the imdct-stuff
22:12:16	saratoga	the imdct stuff is fairly quick
22:12:23	saratoga	~27% of runtime
22:12:30	*	Buschel slaps his CoolEdit 2000...
22:12:35	saratoga	so theres something else using another ~1/4 of the time
22:12:46	saratoga	maybe huffman decoding?
22:12:54	Buschel	bcause i didn't set ti ti internal 32bit precision i've lost 5 hours or so...
22:13:29	Buschel	saratoga: huffman + requantization
22:13:54	saratoga	huffman would be nasty to optmize, but requantization on wma could be speed up pretty easily with ASM
22:13:58	saratoga	do mad already have that?
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22:14:25	Buschel	saratoga: only had a quick look at it. my impressions was it's tableized
22:15:12	saratoga	regarding synthfull, i did something wrong and completely screwed up playback last night, but even so I'm pretty sure I was using 32x16=64 muls
22:15:17	saratoga	the speedup was less then impressive
22:15:44	saratoga	i'm actually wondering if it would be worth double checking that the MAC type multiplies actually get the speedup too
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22:16:07	saratoga	though it would be ridiculous if they did not
22:16:39	Buschel	saratoga: i played a lot with mpc today. all the mul/mla/smull/smlal stuff behaves as it should −− regarding cycles
22:17:23	Buschel	saratoga: when changing synth to 32bit a maximum gain of about 1.4 MHz could be reached
22:17:54	Buschel	saratoga: if you might allow distortion you may gain some additional 1-1.5MHz
22:18:24	saratoga	I think i saw an overall speedup of about 5% for the codec, though I can't promise the way i did it was optimal
22:20:33	Buschel	at least we must say the libmad guys (and everyone woh further tweaked it) did a good job so far :-)
22:21:43	saratoga	then why is it still so slow?
22:22:45	Buschel	when looking at the synth/dct32 i think because they did not allow themselves to drop precision
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22:23:42	saratoga	other then scaling the D coefficients to speed up muls, i'm not sure how else to trade precision for performance
22:23:58	saratoga	we could drop the 64 bit accumulators, but then we'd have to rescale after every mul
22:24:01	Buschel	sso.
22:24:04	saratoga	and that would eat up the gain
22:24:14	saratoga	but SSO didn't improve anything when I tried it
22:24:36	saratoga	all it does is save a few shifts, and those are so quick and so few they hardly matter
22:24:47	saratoga	i mean you do, what, 8 muls per shift ?
22:26:03	Buschel	but not in the asm'ed part. if you prescale subbandsamples in dct32 (32x each subband sample) and prescale D() (compile time) you'll still exchange smull with mul about 512 times per subband sample
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22:26:52	Buschel	you'll only need post scale the result itself, not after each mul
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22:27:01	saratoga	ah I see what you're getting at
22:27:57	Buschel	there are about 0.7 Mio mul/mla per channel and second of playtime in synth
22:29:11	Buschel	but you'll only need to add 0.0441 Mio post shifts and even lesser pre shifts in dct32
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22:35:44	Buschel	saratoga: did you take a look at the imdct factors? could these be downscaled for faster multiply?
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22:42:12	saratoga	Buschel: I haven't looked at the IMDCT at all actually
22:43:12	saratoga	i really need to spend some more time on my GSOC project, but I'll try and look at it for a bit now
22:43:29	Buschel	the same for me and my family...
22:46:11	saratoga	Buschel: have you looked at DCT32?
22:46:28	saratoga	seems to me we could speed it up pretty easily just by truncating those trig constants
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22:48:14	Buschel	saratoga: that's not that easy. the results are used again for the next butterflies. you'll need to post sclae them immediately after the mul. this will eat the most the savings
22:50:20	saratoga	Buschel: don't the results of each multiply need to be rescaled already?
22:50:37	saratoga	though i guess digging through that asm to do so would be quite unplesant
22:51:05	Buschel	saratoga: you're right!
22:52:12	Buschel	saratoga: but the dct32 should not scale that much with mul-optimizations... only 0.1 Mio per second
22:54:01	saratoga	are you sure its that low?
22:54:12	Buschel	80 muls per dct32 call
22:54:28	saratoga	and that produces 32 samples?
22:55:02	Buschel	yes, but there are also lots of rsb/add + shifts in it. as well as several ldr/str
22:55:24	Buschel	saratoga: look at the C code of the dct32
22:55:43	saratoga	that would imply we could save .44MHz if we used 16 bit muls
22:55:56	saratoga	though maybe its not worth trying to dig through all that asm for a half mhz
22:56:16	Buschel	but we do not know what impact this would have on the precision...
22:56:39	saratoga	i doubt it'd be that much
22:56:45	Buschel	the imdct is interesting in terms of performance
22:57:01	saratoga	16 bit trig constants are generally enough, particularly for such a short transform length
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23:09:16	Bagder	http://pastebin.ca/1048115
23:09:31	Bagder	the top-10 search phrases used to end up on www.rockbox.org
23:09:53	Bagder	during June
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23:13:29	webguest07	does rockbox work on ipod 2nd gen 4gb nano?
23:13:51	scorche	the front page should answer that question...
23:14:25	webguest07	alright i'll take a look thanks!
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