#rockbox 2008-06-15

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#rockbox log for 2008-06-15

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00:01:40	saratoga	amaldo: I tried to trace the pins from the header to where they're soldered using one of the low res scans on the net
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00:02:17	saratoga	and they looked correct, but I can't say for certain since i don't have one to look at closer
00:02:32	saratoga	how are you trying to talk to the jtag?
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00:03:13	amaldo	saratoga: I've got an openocd-usb jtag interface
00:04:05	amaldo	saratoga: Right now I just connected the cables according to hth's suggestion, and I'm trying to get the devices on the JTAG chain detected, but I get the typical error when the communication fails: Error validating JTAG scan chain, IR mismatch, scan returned 0x00
00:04:49	amaldo	saratoga: at least the reset pi (nSRST) is correct, if that one gets pulled low, the device resets
00:06:35	saratoga	amaldo: can you see on your unit where each jtag line is going?
00:07:01	linuxstb	BigBambi: Still around?
00:07:10	BigBambi	yup
00:07:30	amaldo	saratoga: not really. This is a E250v2, and the traces are covered by the microSD slot.
00:07:57	linuxstb	BigBambi: I've just looked at your ATMT photos... Almost identical.
00:08:16	BigBambi	yes, a couple of things differ very slightly
00:08:51	BigBambi	Is it worth trying to run your current code on it?
00:08:54	saratoga	amaldo: theres next to no info on the jtag unit in the manual other then that its the standard arm part
00:09:08	saratoga	maybe theres something in the arm9 manual about jtag?
00:10:09	Buschel	anyone offending to commit FS #9076?
00:10:14	linuxstb	BigBambi: Sure. Although it's still doing relatively little. Just compile a bootloader build, and upload it with tcctool
00:10:42	BigBambi	linuxstb: OK, will do
00:10:42	bertrik	BigBambi: at least the PCB of ATMT has some of its pins clearly marked :)
00:11:09	amaldo	saratoga: I know. I also have the datasheet of the chip. Somebody mentioned that a resistor might be removed from the board after programming at the factory. I wonder if that's standard practice (and why would they do it)...
00:11:14	BigBambi	bertrik: not that you can see them on my horribly blurry photos :)
00:12:11	saratoga	amaldo: which resistor?
00:13:30	amaldo	saratoga: the one mentioned in this picture: http://flickr.com/photos/90053035@N00/2494642819/in/set-72157605072639496/
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00:18:34	saratoga	amaldo: grab a DMM and see if that resistor mount is connected to any of the JTAG pins?
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00:19:15	BigBambi	linuxstb: is it bootloader.bin I am sending?
00:20:02	linuxstb	I normally send player.rom, but it doesn't matter (IIRC)
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00:20:24	BigBambi	ok
00:20:52	linuxstb	player.rom is just bootloader.bin with the header fields (crc values) filled in. Those are only needed if you wanted to flash the firmware - which I wouldn't recommend ;) But for tcctool, it doesn't matter.
00:21:09	BigBambi	yes, I don't want to flash it
00:21:24	amaldo	saratoga: good idea. Will also check the signals better with my oscilloscope on Monday.
00:21:37	linuxstb	BigBambi: Are you handy with a soldering iron?
00:21:38	BigBambi	For a start there doesn't seem to be a firmware upgrade for this
00:21:47	BigBambi	linuxstb: passable :)
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00:22:04	linuxstb	No... But it should be possible to extract the OF, once we get a NAND driver.
00:22:16	BigBambi	right
00:22:56	BigBambi	So I'm sending this with the NAND disconnected I assume
00:23:18	linuxstb	Yes - that's the only way I've found to enter usb boot mode (without a soldering iron).
00:23:25	BigBambi	ok
00:23:29	BigBambi	let's see :)
00:24:11	linuxstb	If you look on the photos, you can see two pairs of pins, to the left of the CPU. Currently, the "NAND" pins are joined, indicating "NAND boot mode", but if you joined the "USB" pins, it boots in USB boot mode.
00:24:28	BigBambi	OK, so a little switch would handy
00:24:57	linuxstb	Yes. You could then try the DAX OF on it (with tcctool).
00:25:30	Buschel	FS #9076 committed −− without changing PCF for the yet untested iPods
00:25:56	BigBambi	OK, so at the moment I have no nand attached, with ./tcctool -d logikdax player.rom and I get [ERR] usb_set_configuration failed (-1)
00:27:22	gevaerts	sudo ?
00:27:45	BigBambi	aha
00:28:09	BigBambi	different :) [ERR] usb_set_configuration failed (-110) with sudo
00:28:22	DerPapst	sudo make me a sandwich
00:29:11	linuxstb	BigBambi: Try unplugging it and then try again...
00:29:16	BigBambi	ok
00:29:16	gevaerts	Does it show up with lsusb (also maybe with sudo) ?
00:29:43	BigBambi	linuxstb: that worked
00:29:59	BigBambi	linuxstb: seems to be running fine :)
00:30:16	*	DerPapst didn't know that making a sandwich involves a usb connection
00:30:35	linuxstb	BigBambi: The buttons are working OK?
00:31:20	Buschel	good night!
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00:31:30	*	gevaerts suspects that DerPapst isn't in sudoers on the sandwich maker
00:31:48	BigBambi	linuxstb: going left to right on the top, then left to right on the bottom I see 1, 2, 4, 8, 10 (0) with nothing) on th btn: line
00:32:35	BigBambi	the joystick gives me 80 for up, 40 for right, 100 for down, 20 for left and 200 for click
00:33:12	BigBambi	so yes, seem to be :)
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00:34:59	BigBambi	linuxstb: I just loaded the dax firmware update with tcctool, it booted and went straight to saying MTP connected
00:35:27	BigBambi	and the id's have changed in lsusb
00:35:45	*	gevaerts thinks that the atmt port will be wasy once the dax port is done ;)
00:35:50	gevaerts	s/wasy/easy
00:36:08	BigBambi	yes indeed :)
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00:43:03	BigBambi	linuxstb: hehe
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00:51:16	BigBambi	I've stuck a picture of it running on the wiki page
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01:03:05	saratoga	for the 6 years that it has existed, lcd-common.h has only actually contained valid c code for 17 minutes
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01:05:10	DerPapst	heh cool statistic :)
01:05:32	linuxstb	So it wins the prize for most pointless file in Rockbox?
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01:07:20	saratoga	probably
01:07:38	saratoga	i assume "svn delete" is how i remove it?
01:07:44	DerPapst	yes
01:07:49	DerPapst	or svn rm
01:08:39	saratoga	does that commit automatically or do i still have to do "svn commit [deleted file] -m "words"?
01:08:48	DerPapst	yes
01:08:52	DerPapst	err..
01:08:59	DerPapst	yes to the second part ;)
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01:31:32	saratoga	the build server seems a bit stuck
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02:30:02	saratoga	JdGordon: around?
02:30:16	JdGordon	hey]
02:30:53	saratoga	i've been reading through the /uisimulator folder in preperation for merging it into the target tree
02:31:50	saratoga	i was thinking of doing the SDL stuff mainly and leaving the common part where it is for now
02:32:14	JdGordon	common part?
02:32:23	saratoga	the sim is composed of two libraries
02:32:25	saratoga	common and sdl
02:32:34	saratoga	it dates back to when there where several different simulators
02:32:56	saratoga	but its useful here because it seperates a lot of the generic sim code from the target specific code
02:33:13	JdGordon	ok
02:33:43	saratoga	for now is it a good approach to just duplicate the sdl code in the target tree and work towards being able to compile without the sdl sim library?
02:34:05	saratoga	that seems like the obvious next step to me, but it also seems like we'll end up with most of the sim code duplicated
02:34:41	JdGordon	not a big dezal
02:34:44	JdGordon	deal
02:35:03	saratoga	you mean for now, or in general?
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02:35:48	JdGordon	for now
02:36:14	saratoga	and in the long term what do you think should happen?
02:36:44	saratoga	i presume that on most targets, we'd want a lot of the functions implemented in a target specific way, by passing SDL for performance reasons for things like graphics
02:37:03	saratoga	but we'll still need a complete all sdl implementation too so theres some place to begin a new port
02:37:35	saratoga	and that would essentially be a copy of the sdl sim library
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03:23:04	Qtax	i'm thinking that definitions of "MSC" and "MTP" would be good to have in the Glossary
03:24:08	Qtax	but as editing requeries an endless number of steps someone else might be willing to add that if it's sutable.
03:29:54	*	JdGordon wonders how it went from 2 steps to endless
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03:37:01	Qtax	This is IRC after all? I can see it now, "Qtax is kicked by randomguy (Bad spelling, learn correct enlish, smileys not allowed)" ;)
03:43:24	Llorean	Most people don't find it difficult to at least make an attempt. We're more irritated by people who are apparently unable to type out the word "you" and stick to "u", and so forth. Specifically people who engage in intentional behaviour like that, which can make people dependent on translation software have problems.
03:44:06	Qtax	m'kay, I see.
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04:17:22	wpyh	Buschel: I didn't notice FS #9076 before you committed it
04:17:37	wpyh	Buschel: is it wise to unify the config like this?
04:19:08	wpyh	Buschel: How about making a table with the register values, then set all the registers at once? or maybe a function that accepts such an argument
04:21:55	wpyh	Buschel: what I mean is something like this http://pastebin.com/m13c3bdf5
04:30:40	saratoga	wpyh: that way doesn't really make sense since both ipods get exactly the same settings
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04:31:48	wpyh	saratoga: what I mean is slightly different settings for ipod video and ipod nano
04:32:16	wpyh	like for example the codec set to 3.0V for ipod video and 2.4V for ipod nano
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04:32:44	wpyh	last time I tried it gave some distortion for the nano, but it's the OF's default ;)
04:33:03	wpyh	and the distortion is not noticeable at normal volumes (-25db max)
04:33:28	Jonj20	hey im here to gather people to make a prot for sansa m240
04:34:18	saratoga	wpyh: they were combined because it seems they used the same settings
04:34:28	Llorean	Jonj20: This is where people go when they're already working on Rockbox. You should be looking someplace where there are m200 owners.
04:34:53	saratoga	if you've found otherwise, you should post your results and the settings that fixed any issue you found
04:34:59	Jonj20	i no but i already am workin on it and im just lookin for more people
04:35:06	wpyh	saratoga: it seems more like "they use similar settings" ;)
04:35:20	wpyh	ok then, I'll see what I can do
04:35:25	saratoga	wpyh: what are you refering to?
04:35:36	Llorean	Jonj20: And as I said, you should be recruiting in places where there are m200 owners
04:35:49	wpyh	saratoga: I mean that the ipod video and the ipod nano use similar settings, not the same settings...
04:35:51	Jonj20	like where
04:36:07	Llorean	Jonj20: I don't know. You'll have to go and find them. Nobody said it would be easy.
04:36:18	Jonj20	i know
04:37:01	wpyh	saratoga: we can use the default settings, but the defaults are different. I think that should say something about the voltages
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04:39:00	saratoga	wpyh: I don't think the defaults refer to the apple firmware, they're probably just whatever the pcf chip initializes to
04:39:14	Jonj20	so does any one want to join a team
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04:39:32	Llorean	Jonj20: The whole project is one team already...
04:39:38	wpyh	saratoga: hm... maybe we should ask Buschel then :)
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04:39:51	saratoga	if we knew what the apple firmware used, we wouldn't have to guess values . . .
04:39:52	Llorean	Jonj20: This room is full of people who already know about the m200 and have already decided not to work on it. As I've said a few times, you need to be looking somewhere else.
04:39:53	Jonj20	i no
04:39:58	Llorean	And the word is "know"
04:40:27	*	wpyh should research some more
04:40:35	Jonj20	oh yea im sorry
04:40:53	Llorean	saratoga: Not to mention the Apple default doesn't _necessarily_ mean the best settings even if it is what the OF uses
04:41:07	saratoga	well for power regulation it probably is
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04:41:20	saratoga	we probably do not want to run these compoents out of spec without good reason
04:41:55	saratoga	wpyh: have you read the FS entry for that patch?
04:42:04	wpyh	maybe I should learn assembly on the PP
04:42:33	JdGordon	saratoga: there is nothing saying apple isnt running them out of spec anyway...
04:42:45	wpyh	saratoga: yes... I've read the tracker entry: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/9076
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04:43:21	wpyh	I heard that some of the meizu initialization commands were reverse engineered from the OF, so this case might be similar
04:45:10	saratoga	if apple is running something out of spec theres probably a good reason for it and we should do the same
04:45:59	saratoga	I'd imagine with their volumes they wouldn't need to run out of spec, they could just get the spec changed though
04:46:50	*	wpyh wonders whether that means the OF probably didn't change any register... they just use the defaults
04:48:48	saratoga	i doubt the default happened to be exactly what was needed for all settings
04:50:21	wpyh	well, we don't know for sure
04:52:49	saratoga	wpyh: knowing for sure is irrelevent if you also know thats something is so unlikely as to be not worth considering
04:53:13	saratoga	if you want to know things for sure, you probably should not be thinking about this project
04:54:08	saratoga	ports happen using large amounts of infered, estimated and experimentally determined values and relatively few that are known for sure
04:54:31	*	wpyh wonders why saratoga gets so worked up
04:55:46	wpyh	you're right, we need to experiment with this..
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05:28:23	saratoga	can a driver use splash to indicate a serious error?
05:28:28	saratoga	or is that for apps only?
05:30:20	JdGordon	serious errors should call panifc
05:30:22	JdGordon	panicf
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05:51:35	Mouser_X	Is anyone around?
05:51:51	Mouser_X	Especially anyone who might be able to help me clean the screen on my Gigabeat S?
05:52:40	Mouser_X	I've disassembled it as far as I can (removed back casing, HDD, battery, and unscrewed the serial port/USB port/AC in).
05:52:57	Mouser_X	I'm left with the mainboard and the LCD.
05:53:17	Mouser_X	Based on the pictures here: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2006/06/toshiba-gigabeat-s30-teardown.php
05:53:46	Mouser_X	It looks like I'll need to pull out the mainboard and the LCD at the same time. For the life of me, I can't figure out how to do that.
05:54:15	Mouser_X	toffe82: Around?
05:54:59	jhMikeS	Mouser_X: I've just used a cotton towel and breath. A small amount of rubbing alchohol on screens if I printed them up badly. After that dries use the first. Then light wipes + compressed air (or blowing on it) to get little dust particles off.
05:55:17	Mouser_X	There's dust behind the plastic.
05:55:25	Mouser_X	As in, dust in the casing.
05:56:14	jhMikeS	same thing for lcd + back side of lense.
05:56:34	Mouser_X	How do I get to it to clean it though?
05:56:42	Mouser_X	I can't get it out of the case.
05:57:38	jhMikeS	There a trick to get the metal plate out (there some tabs that need coaxing)
05:57:57	Mouser_X	Bah... I figured as much, but I can't seem to find them.
05:58:05	jhMikeS	after that it's pretty easy to pull the main board
05:58:10	Mouser_X	I've pushed and pulled on all the tabs I could see...
05:58:16	Mouser_X	I guess I'll look again.
05:58:34	Mouser_X	Mainboard and LCD come out at the same time, right?
05:58:35	jhMikeS	its sort of hidden in the perimeter
05:58:37	jhMikeS	yes
05:58:42	jhMikeS	it's clipped on
05:58:42	Mouser_X	Just making sure.
05:58:58	Mouser_X	Yah. I already got it unclipped, and had to clip it back in.
05:59:21	jhMikeS	no real force is needed, just patience
05:59:49	Mouser_X	That's what I figured. I'm having difficulty with it... Obviously, I need to be very very careful.
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06:00:19	Mouser_X	I'll go look again. My Gigabeat is upstairs, where there's better light, and a table.
06:03:10	jhMikeS	one thing to watch when putting it back together is that the tabs on the rear of the case aren't bent up. they should be perpendicular to the sides and it must be slid over the HD partially first. i did that once - oops.
06:05:38	saratoga	alright got all the target specific sdl stuff in the target tree
06:06:18	saratoga	should make it much easier to write target specific replacements for SDL functions some day
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06:08:33	jhMikeS	what pieces are target specific when it comes to sdl?
06:09:15	duhh	hey all, I have some sansa e280s with rockbox. Whenever I attach them, the music folder is in read only mode
06:09:41	duhh	have to change attributes every time, absolutely maddening, have looked around and not found any relevant solutions, any suggestions ?
06:09:44	jhMikeS	retailsos mucks that up
06:10:40	saratoga	jhMikeS: sorry that wsa unclear, I meant everything thats in SDL now that might eventually be made target specific (buttons, display, sound)
06:11:01	saratoga	none of the SDL stuff should be target specific as is
06:16:23	Mouser_X	jhMikeS: I'm lost here... For the life of me, I can't figure out how to remove the mainboard+LCD.
06:17:00	Mouser_X	I'm aware of the plastic tabs on the side, near the middle of the case. Right above those are the black tabs holding the LCD to the mainboard.
06:17:34	Mouser_X	In the uppermost corners are 2 more small black tabs, also holding the LCD to the mainboard.
06:18:07	Mouser_X	Other than that, I can't see what else might be holding the mainboard+LCD in place.
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06:18:40	Mouser_X	(Well, I do have to clear the hold switch stuff, and get the headphone jack clear as well.)
06:18:48	jhMikeS	the tabs sort of fit into the perimeter of the plastic so they are hidden. you have to pry it away from the platic and perhaps hold it with toothpicks then grab another
06:19:35	Mouser_X	Where would these tabs be, so that I know where, and what, to look (for)?
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07:28:43	Mouser_X	Thanks for the help.
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09:40:14	linuxstb	JdGordon: I don't understand your reason for closing FS #705... AFAIK, it's not implemented.
09:42:09	*	JdGordon is pretty sure it is on every bootlader that it can be
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09:45:02	scorche	i suppose it could be considered implemented through the idle power off time, although that is not the same thing and can be completely negated through having resume playback turned on
09:45:32	scorche	but the way it is described is not implemented..
09:49:31	JdGordon	? turn on hold and try to turn on any target... the bootloader wont load either OF
09:50:37	scorche	this task was submitted in Archos times...
09:51:21	scorche	and was because the Archos units didnt have any sort of hold switch...mine turned on all the time in my bags and discharged themselves
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14:18:58	Buschel	full precision is nearly as fast as the speed optimized version
14:20:02	Buschel	saratoga: synth (64 bit) consumes 12.55MHz now −− slightly faster than libmad's now.
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16:08:30	MTee_	Hi all
16:15:57	MTee_	I want to try and make a patch .. but don't know where to start .. I've installed SVN .. downloaded the source , and tried to read some of it .. and that's it , couldn't do anything more ..
16:16:43	markun	MTee_: what kind of patch do you want to make?
16:17:59	markun	and did you manage to compile rockbox or the rockbox sim?
16:18:56	MTee_	a patch for the record app so that recording won't start unless the start button is pressed for a while ..
16:20:19	MTee_	markun : not really, I treid compiling the sim but I received an error about missing files or something .. forgot about it because I was having troubles with my internet connection
16:20:20	markun	to make a patch you basically 'just' change the code you want, make sure it compiles and then to "svn patch > file.patch"
16:21:35	markun	you can install the crosscompiler to build rockbox by running the script tools/rockboxdev.sh
16:24:09	MTee_	sounds simple .. but seems like I'm missing something .. question : what's pcm_record.c ? .. and how can I figure out which file is for what ?
16:27:31	markun	I think pcm_record.c is the device independant part which handles the recording. Some of the functions in it will be called somewhere in /apps
16:28:02	markun	but to figure out which file does what you need to read/search through a lot of files
16:28:15	markun	and follow the various function calls
16:28:20	markun	at least that's what I do
16:30:09	MTee_	thanks a lot :).. will give it another try ..
16:30:42	markun	good luck. At first the rockbox source code was also very complex to me, but after a while you learn how to find your way.
16:31:34	MTee_	that's a bit encouraging because it seems complex indeed !
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18:14:16	domonoky	RubberBelly: no, see rocboxs frontpage for supported players..
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18:40:05	shotofadds	linuxstb_, BigBambi: I found it's possible to boot to m200 in USB boot just by shorting the "USB" jumper with a screwdriver while inserting the USB cable. No need to remove anything :)
18:40:45	shotofadds	btw. which tcctool configuration are you using? I went for c100
18:41:03	linuxstb_	Yes, c100 is the one that I use with the m200
18:42:40	BigBambi	shotofadds: interesting
18:43:15	BigBambi	shotofadds: I might give it a go with nand attached and try uploading the logik dax firmware
18:45:22	BigBambi	The only slight issue is that I can't see the jumper with the other boards attached :)
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22:10:00	salty-horse	hi. I have a small annoyance with "Resume playback". suppose a dir has 10 files and I play the fifth one (ordered by name). I pause it half way through, connect to my my comupter, and put some more files in that dir with names "lower" than the last played file. now "resume playback" will "resume" playing another file since the original's position in the playlist has shifted
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22:13:53	Bagder	I agree that's an annoyance
22:14:19	salty-horse	is a bug worth filing?
22:14:39	Bagder	no, this is already known
22:15:15	salty-horse	I'll keep bookmarking then
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22:40:00	ashes	hello, btw
22:40:18	domonoky	ashes: no, no pdf plugin till now..
22:40:27	ashes	k, thanks
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23:30:28	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn: Here?
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23:32:45	LambdaCalculus37	Hmmm... just got my iPod 4G color back, and updated to r17725 on it. The color issues seem to still be prominent.
23:33:08	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn's code addition in r17715 doesn't seem to fix all 4G colors. :/
23:33:47	amiconn	I know, but I don't know why
23:34:16	LambdaCalculus37	Do you suppose that it's due to hardware revisions?
23:34:17	amiconn	It's all the code from the ipl revision that should fix the colour issues for ipod photo
23:34:28	pixelma	LambdaCalculus37: (as a development question) have you tried ipodlinux?
23:34:41	amiconn	I have no such device, hence can't test anything
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23:34:48	LambdaCalculus37	pixelma: Only once, on a friend's 3G iPod.
23:35:02	pixelma	I meant with that 4G...
23:35:14	LambdaCalculus37	Never.
23:35:53	LambdaCalculus37	I never have tried iPL on any of my iPods.
23:36:47	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn: My LCD type is 0, FWIW.
23:36:57	pixelma	was just curious if they had solved the problem
23:37:02	LambdaCalculus37	HW rev is 0x00060004
23:38:16	saratoga	how cheap are windows moble cell phones? i'd like to get one for some rockbox hacking
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23:39:09	LambdaCalculus37	saratoga: My brother just got one for about $300. Got some grand plans? :)
23:39:13	scorche	saratoga: which OS?
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23:39:53	BigBambi	depends on the phone hardware quite a bit I would imagine :)
23:40:03	saratoga	i think CE 5 and above are supported by the gcc compiler toolkit we found
23:40:15	LambdaCalculus37	Coolbeans! :)
23:40:26	*	LambdaCalculus37 just stole a word from BigBambi ;)
23:40:39	saratoga	in theory any phone that runs a supported CE flavor and lets you run 3rd party apps should work i think
23:40:45	saratoga	though i know nothing about cell phones
23:41:03	*	BigBambi doesn't remember ever using coolbeans
23:41:26	LambdaCalculus37	BigBambi: I think you did once in #community.
23:41:34	BigBambi	nope
23:41:43	BigBambi	anyway, this shold go there
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23:44:31	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn: When did the LCD color issues start?
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23:45:14	amiconn	I have no idea. I think it never worked properly on those lcd type 0 ipods
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23:45:59	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn: I had run Rockbox on this iPod before. I just haven't used it in 3 months because I had lent it out to my dad and just got it now and updated.
23:46:07	hfsplus	Hi, I accidentally rebooted into the iPod firmware - how do I get back to Rockbox? Holding down play/pause till the ipod goes dark doesnt seem to do it
23:46:20	amiconn	eh?
23:46:34	LambdaCalculus37	hfsplus: Hold MENU and SELECT until the iPod reboots.
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23:46:59	hfsplus	LambdaCalculus37: thanks :D
23:47:21	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn: Sorry. The last SVN build that I had run on my 4G color was around r167xx (don't remember).
23:47:51	LambdaCalculus37	I updated it to r17725 today, and found out that mine is one of the affected iPods.
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23:48:28	amiconn	Then I'd recommend to track down the exact revision where it starts
23:48:41	amiconn	I repeat that I can't do that because I don't have such a device
23:50:10	hfsplus	Is there a way to remove my iPod firmware forever if I dont want to use it?
23:50:20	hfsplus	so I dont accidentally boot into it
23:50:24	amiconn	Btw, good to know that there is one owner of such a device around. Previously nobody reacted when I asked for an ipod color owner with lcd type 0 ...
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23:50:32	LambdaCalculus37	Instructions are in the manual.
23:50:48	hfsplus	LambdaCalculus37: ahh. Good point. I shall go rtfm.
23:51:00	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn: I found the thread where this began: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17158.0
23:51:39	pixelma	it doesn't tell where it began though, just the first one to report it
23:51:56	saratoga	binary search time
23:51:56	LambdaCalculus37	Around 7 June.
23:52:29	*	LambdaCalculus37 decides it's "Find the good Daily Build" time
23:52:29	amiconn	The exact svn revision is what's needed
23:52:48	saratoga	should take less then 10 guesses to find the right build
23:52:55	amiconn	Binchopping through ~1000 revisions doesn't take long. 10 builds...
23:53:16	LambdaCalculus37	Going to try r17696 first... that's from June 7th.
23:54:27	pixelma	LambdaCalculus37: I think this poster only ever saw it this way, or am I missing where he states a working revision?
23:54:52	LambdaCalculus37	pixelma: He hasn't stated a working revision at all.
23:54:59	LambdaCalculus37	Speaking of which, r17696 works.
23:56:25	hfsplus	Hmm
23:56:53	hfsplus	I am coming up empty here - is there a way to remove the original iPod firmware so only Rockbox is left? I cant find such a thing in the manual or the FAQ
23:56:55	*	pixelma wonders why it didn't work for this poster on 6th June though
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23:58:11	*	LambdaCalculus37 shrugs
23:58:51	LambdaCalculus37	I'm going to investigate this a little further and try a couple of more revisions.
23:58:55	LambdaCalculus37	I'll be back later.

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