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| 00:07:17 | pixelma | is someone around who has an Ipod with colour display and can tell me about the Rockboy controls? Mainly whether you have to "press" left/right/menu/play for directional movement or just "tap" them (or the area) |
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| 00:09:03 | Llorean | pixelma: I believe it's just tap |
| 00:09:18 | pixelma | that's what I suspected |
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| 00:16:02 | pixelma | almost looks like you could do both (unless I'm misunderstanding which is not unlikely, the Rockboy controls code isn't an easy read) |
| 00:16:37 | pixelma | to me |
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| 00:24:21 | * | shotofadds seems to have PCM buffering partially working on the D2 ... the seconds tick by in the WPS now, but there's no sound yet. |
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| 00:58:39 | pixelma | eh... if I understand the Rockboy code correctly you can cycle through the scale modes with a key on the recorder pad and with the help of the hold switch on the H100 and the M5 (because it's behind an if that checks for 160x128 and depth ==2) but not somewhere else... e.g. you couldn't do that on the X5 which has the same pad as the M5 but has a colour display, or the H300... (?) |
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| 01:00:13 | pixelma | ok, on colour display targets there seems to be an option in the menu, still it sounds weird to me |
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| 02:18:43 | allele | I have a magenta background on my bitmaps, but the magenta shows up in my plugins instead of being transparent. do I have the wrong color, or is there a special syntax I need to use? |
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| 02:22:45 | Llorean | allele: It needs to be exactly 255,0,255 |
| 02:23:10 | allele | alrighty, thanks Llorean |
| 02:23:36 | pixelma | you also need the lcd_bitmap_transparent functions (IIRC) |
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| 02:37:52 | allele | thanks pixelma, that is the next problem I had :D |
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| 03:44:28 | Class37 | hi |
| 03:44:44 | Class37 | any luck on 3rd gen nano? |
| 03:45:02 | krazykit | no |
| 03:45:11 | Class37 | shit |
| 03:45:23 | Class37 | how does winamp work |
| 03:45:42 | krazykit | Class37, please read the channel guidelines; this is an on-topic support channel for rockbox |
| 03:47:13 | krazykit | Class37, there are several roadblocks to porting rockbox to the 3rd gen nano and ipod classics, including 1) firmware encryption, 2) a current inablity to run custom code, 3) undocumented hardware, 4) no one seriously working on it |
| 03:47:37 | Class37 | cool man |
| 03:47:40 | Class37 | thanks |
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| 03:53:25 | Llorean | krazykit: 1 and 2 are pretty much the same thing. |
| 03:55:50 | allele | hehe gotta love number 4 |
| 03:56:52 | Class37 | 4 is my friend |
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| 04:00:24 | allele | so, would anyone else be interested in a 2.5d engine like doom that's more customizable? |
| 04:02:44 | Llorean | I don't really think Rockbox needs more games, but nobody's stopping you. |
| 04:05:29 | csc` | allele: what are ye itching at? |
| 04:05:43 | csc` | allele: like a custom game for Rbox? |
| 04:05:50 | csc` | or another port |
| 04:13:30 | allele | something like that, sort of in the proof of concept stage at the moment |
| 04:14:02 | allele | hoping to be able to make a game like dynasty warriors, but enough of a knockoff that it can be an official plugin |
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| 05:11:45 | zajacattack | Hey, quick question: can I use a playlist in extended m3u format to give some wav files titles? and, if I can and do, will rockbox be able to read those titles from the playlist file and display them? |
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| 05:13:48 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6075 |
| 05:14:40 | zajacattack | Thanks scorche! |
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| 05:58:37 | RunningUtes | Are there any plugins that would allow for encryption/decryption of text? I was looking for a plugin similar to the text viewer that could be used to password protect a text file using something like RC4, TEA, or bluefish. anyone know of anything available? |
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| 06:00:05 | scorche | all plugins that are in an acceptable state have been included with rockbox...you can search the patch tracker for any plugin patches for what you wish to do, however i believe it is only a feature request at the moment |
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| 06:01:06 | RunningUtes | I did find one request on the patch tracker |
| 06:01:32 | scorche | it isnt just a patch tracker, but yes...as i said it is likely just a feature request |
| 06:02:03 | RunningUtes | FS #5534 |
| 06:03:18 | RunningUtes | would it be hard to create a plugin if i am already familiar with C? |
| 06:03:49 | scorche | i couldnt really answer that, as it is quite subjective |
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| 06:09:37 | cool_walking_ | There was some talk about creating an encryption plugin a while ago on the mailing list. You should get in touch with that person as he may have already done some work. |
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| 06:13:09 | cool_walking_ | Here it is: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-11/0039.shtml |
| 06:16:25 | RunningUtes | thanks for the link |
| 06:17:03 | RunningUtes | I just downloaded the rockbox source and the text editor looks much easier to play with then the text viewer |
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| 08:44:55 | B4gder | the AT&T service replied and said they're lifting the block of our server |
| 08:45:15 | Llorean | Good news! |
| 08:45:20 | Llorean | did they say why/how it got blocked? |
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| 08:45:22 | B4gder | "within 24-36 hours from the receipt this letter." |
| 08:45:29 | B4gder | not a word about that |
| 08:45:37 | B4gder | this is just an automated reply |
| 08:47:35 | Llorean | Aaaah |
| 08:48:51 | B4gder | but it's weird since I gave no real reason for the unblock request |
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| 08:49:04 | B4gder | I just said I don't know why it was blocked in the first place |
| 08:49:22 | scorche | passed the turing test? |
| 08:49:47 | B4gder | yeah, "oh this guy filled in the free text field, do the unblock" |
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| 08:58:13 | cool_walking_ | Has anyone found a source of 160GB ZIF drives that ships internationally? |
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| 09:00:02 | cool_walking_ | Or, would someone in the US be willing to buy and ship one for me and accept payment through Paypal? |
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| 09:07:36 | amiconn | Afaik no such drives exist yet |
| 09:08:02 | amiconn | The disk in the 160GB ipod classic has a CE-ATA interface |
| 09:09:05 | cool_walking_ | https://www.nowdirect.com/exec/partInfo/part_detail.tsb?prcpart=SAMHS160JB&categoryid=#top |
| 09:09:36 | cool_walking_ | http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/productmodel.do?group=72&type=60&subtype=68&model_cd=347&ppmi=1160 |
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| 09:48:14 | BigBambi | cool_walking_: Yeah, I couldn't find the 160s actually available anywhere |
| 09:48:19 | BigBambi | Just lots of coming soon |
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| 09:58:26 | cool_walking_ | BigBambi, https://www.nowdirect.com/exec/partInfo/part_detail.tsb?prcpart=SAMHS160JB&categoryid=#top says 1-4 weeks to get them in, but I'll email them. |
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| 09:59:46 | pondlife | Anyone object if I commit the H300/X5/M5 RTC patch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7814 today? |
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| 10:01:37 | pondlife | If any M5 owners could test it, that would be nice though. |
| 10:01:49 | BigBambi | cool_walking_: Yeah, I know, but I mean I found loads saying that sort of thing |
| 10:01:59 | BigBambi | Well, not loads |
| 10:02:30 | BigBambi | but you know what I mean |
| 10:03:38 | pixelma | pondlife: if I read correctly I don't even need a new bootloader? (can test on M5) |
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| 10:04:35 | pondlife | Not sure. That might depend on the age of your bootloader. My H300 bootloader is modified, including an early version of that patch. |
| 10:05:12 | pondlife | But all you'd need the bootloader to do is recognise and set the alarm bit, I guess. |
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| 10:06:05 | pondlife | I'm wanting to get this patch in before any DevCon-based bootloader activity starts ;) |
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| 10:06:15 | * | scorche thinks this is going to be a very busy devcon for many people |
| 10:06:20 | pondlife | heh |
| 10:07:11 | pondlife | The bootloaders will likely be built post-DevCon; it's just the outstanding issues need documenting and testing. |
| 10:07:34 | pondlife | And the presence of JTAG-type hardware will be useful, I suspect. |
| 10:07:34 | scorche | pondlife: earlier i remembered the HAVE_VOICE item before...that was your idea, correct? |
| 10:07:57 | pondlife | Hmm, doesn't ring a bell - explain more? |
| 10:08:16 | pondlife | Do you mean the ability to make a build without voice support? |
| 10:08:27 | scorche | yes...much like have_tagcache |
| 10:08:30 | scorche | like |
| 10:08:48 | pondlife | I think I used a different #ifdef, so HAVE_VOICE is not familiar to me... but I may have just forgotten |
| 10:09:00 | scorche | pondlifeI added PLAYBACK_VOICE to try and help modularise playback.c.. |
| 10:09:21 | pondlife | It was just a way of trying to debug playback by removing voice from the equation. |
| 10:09:23 | scorche | i found the resulting conversation, but not the one that spurred it |
| 10:09:41 | scorche | would it be very helpful in debugging playback? |
| 10:09:44 | pondlife | Back in the bad old days of codec swapping :) |
| 10:09:47 | scorche | (still?) |
| 10:10:19 | cool_walking_ | BigBambi: Yes I saw the same thing with 120GB's when I was looking. I've contacted them through a form on their website. Here's hoping. |
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| 10:12:35 | scorche | pondlif1: would it still be useful, or should i remove it from my list? ;) |
| 10:13:03 | pondlif1 | Always useful to modularise |
| 10:13:27 | pondlif1 | What were you planning? I've not seen the list. |
| 10:14:44 | scorche | new vmware image, try to get working on a few ports, a few other misc things |
| 10:15:04 | pondlif1 | I mean, relating to HAVE_VOICE? |
| 10:15:51 | scorche | i havent really had a serious look at it since october |
| 10:15:59 | pondlif1 | Me neither ;) |
| 10:18:19 | scorche | at least just starting off learning a bit of the playback system and allowing a build to be built without voice code in a similar fashion to tagcache (although i havent looked at how tied in it is) |
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| 10:37:13 | pixelma | pondlife: it works on M5 but (I think due to the newest bootloader) only somewhat. It tries to start but the trigger is to short and it shuts down again - I get the same with the newest bootloader if I push the power switch for a too short time, wasn't the case before |
| 10:37:29 | pixelma | s/to short/too short |
| 10:37:51 | pondlife | I guess a new bootloader with the patch should work? |
| 10:38:09 | pixelma | I think that's a separate "problem" |
| 10:39:25 | amiconn | No, it's not |
| 10:40:06 | amiconn | The iaudio bootloader now checks the state of the ON buttons, and if it finds neither one pressed (or the appropriate hold switch engaged), shuts down again |
| 10:40:23 | amiconn | It will need special handling of alarm to make it work |
| 10:40:41 | pixelma | ever since then I often need two tries to boot my M5 :\ |
| 10:41:45 | pixelma | I can't get used to "holding" that power switch as it is not a ususal button |
| 10:41:58 | pixelma | *usual too |
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| 10:43:05 | pixelma | amiconn, pondlife: the question though is if the patch already includes the right changes to make it work with a new bootloader, right? |
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| 10:44:53 | pixelma | but doesn't hurt for now, I guess (and compiles without a problem) |
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| 10:47:01 | pixelma | and maybe it serves as a reminder for someone to fix this... |
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| 11:31:39 | pondlife | Monring Nico_P, |
| 11:32:02 | pondlife | Don't suppose you saw that I had an occurance of the end-of-playlist crash yesterday. |
| 11:32:23 | pondlife | Let me know if you want any info, or have any ideas where I should poke around. |
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| 11:38:53 | Nico_P | pondlife: hi |
| 11:39:07 | pondlife | Hi, sorry to pounce..:) |
| 11:39:27 | pondlife | Just thought you might want to know stuff while it's relatively fresh in my mind |
| 11:39:30 | Nico_P | I hadn't seen it, no. I'm rather busy these days |
| 11:39:37 | pondlife | heh, me too. |
| 11:40:38 | Nico_P | what exactly happened ? |
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| 12:01:38 | pondlife | Nico_P: Sorry, phone. I played through an album (18 average-ish MP3 128kbps tracks in total). About a minute from the end of track 18, music stopped, and the device was mainly unresponsive (backlight and scrolling working, but no other key input accepted). |
| 12:01:54 | pondlife | The hard disk had spun up, so I suspect it was buffering. |
| 12:02:35 | pondlife | Had to get a pin out and do a hard reset to recover. |
| 12:03:17 | pondlife | When I say "scrolling", I mean the WPS fields scrolling... |
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| 12:07:15 | pondlife | LinusN: I'm about to commit the H300/X5/M5 RTC alarm (FS #7814). Do you know of any reason that might be a bad idea? I've only tried with my custom bootloader which includes the patch, not with v5... |
| 12:09:04 | Nico_P | pondlife: hmm, this might've happened to me too... I have no idea what could be causing it though |
| 12:10:16 | pondlife | Me neither, just thought you might have some input. |
| 12:10:36 | pondlife | Race condition between buffering and something else I guess. |
| 12:10:41 | pondlife | But rare-ish. |
| 12:12:26 | PaulJam | pondlife: i could imagine that it confuses users when there is an alarm option but it doesn't work with the official bootloader. |
| 12:12:57 | pondlife | True, but the bootloader update will be coming soon now, and I think we need this in before it's built. |
| 12:13:47 | pondlife | Mr Chicken, meet Mr Egg |
| 12:15:07 | PaulJam | well, has the cause for the crashes with some harddrives on H300 been identified? or how are you so sure that there will be new bootloaders soon? |
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| 12:15:50 | pondlife | I'm not sure, but I don't think it's worth holding up progress for. |
| 12:16:05 | pondlife | As long as the old bootloader still works, of course. |
| 12:16:59 | pondlife | There are so many problems with the v5 H300 bootloader, it really MUST get fixed...:) |
| 12:19:26 | pondlife | I suppose I could commit the patch but not include the setting. :/ |
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| 12:20:22 | pixelma | btw. I found the alarm setting screen a bit unintuitive. Couldn't it (re)use the usual time setting screen? |
| 12:20:43 | pixelma | or parts of its code |
| 12:21:24 | pondlife | Yes, I guess it should, but that's another job. |
| 12:22:43 | petur | pondlife: otoh, the patch is ready so it can easily be committed when the bootloader is fixed and ready for release |
| 12:22:50 | pixelma | though the current way is a bit quicker |
| 12:23:23 | pondlife | petur: OK, but will whoever builds the official bootloader remember to include the patch..? |
| 12:23:39 | pondlife | I guess I can just remind them. |
| 12:23:43 | petur | does the patch modify the bootloader? |
| 12:23:56 | pondlife | Not directly |
| 12:24:12 | * | petur thought the svn bootloader already had alarm support |
| 12:25:04 | pondlife | I just supposed that the bootloader uses the rtc_check..() functions, which are updated |
| 12:25:59 | pondlife | Also, will the bootloader include the checks unless HAVE_RTC_ALARM is set - I'd think not. |
| 12:27:16 | PaulJam | the bootloader from the CFModGide page (which is afaik based on SVN and doesnt include that patch) boots on alarm. |
| 12:27:26 | pondlife | H300? |
| 12:27:57 | petur | the CFMod bootloader was just plain SVN with my CF changes applied |
| 12:29:22 | * | pondlife goes to look |
| 12:30:15 | pondlife | I'll try the latest vanilla SVN I guess. |
| 12:30:23 | pondlife | bootloader, I mean |
| 12:30:24 | petur | should work |
| 12:30:48 | pondlife | Is it your 80GB drive that doesn't like SVN ? |
| 12:30:54 | petur | yes |
| 12:30:59 | pondlife | (i.e. the same drive I have...) |
| 12:31:22 | petur | but I've read at least two reports from people having similar issues, so it's not just my drive |
| 12:31:33 | pondlife | And not just 80GB drives. |
| 12:31:34 | pondlife | ? |
| 12:31:44 | petur | and they did not have 80GB disks |
| 12:31:53 | PaulJam | i have a MK4007GAL and there it crashes 50% of the time too. |
| 12:31:58 | petur | in fact, those were CF users I think |
| 12:32:29 | pondlife | petur: Didn't you already try drive/device swaps? |
| 12:32:35 | petur | as far as I can tell, it *always* crashes in thread.c code |
| 12:32:51 | petur | yes, the 80GB in my h320 works fine |
| 12:33:05 | petur | (with svn bootloader) |
| 12:33:37 | petur | s/works/worked |
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| 12:34:45 | pondlife | So it seems to be device, not drive related? Or only some combinations? |
| 12:35:08 | pondlife | (i.e. 40GB drive works in both devices, 80GB drive only in one) |
| 12:35:33 | PaulJam | petur: i still have the old 20GB drive of my h300 lying aroung, would it help if i would check that with the SVN bootloader to see if the problem are related to the harddrive or the device itself? |
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| 12:37:24 | petur | I tried various combinations myself, and only the 80GB disk with my h340 fails, other combinations always work |
| 12:38:24 | pondlife | Fun. Sounds similar the the USB bootloader situation. Works fine for some devices, never works on others, and works 50% of the time on some. |
| 12:38:48 | pondlife | I mean, with v5 |
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| 12:39:59 | pondlife | Do you know if the v5 USB bootloader works reliably or not for your combinations? I know it never works for me with 40GB or 80GB drive. |
| 12:40:33 | pondlife | (Rearrange those words to make a sentence.) |
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| 12:49:08 | petur | v5 always worked fine on my h340 |
| 12:49:55 | petur | on h380 too |
| 12:50:03 | pondlife | But the H320? |
| 12:50:27 | petur | never tried (I think) |
| 12:50:32 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
| 12:50:48 | petur | I guess I could try if it helps something |
| 12:51:03 | pondlife | Probably not, I was just speculating in my head. |
| 12:52:00 | petur | anyway, spare time is really low, and most of it consists of 1 hand free (the other holding a baby) ;) |
| 12:52:34 | pondlife | heh |
| 12:53:13 | petur | but I'm catching up with work so things will start getting better |
| 12:54:44 | pixelma | pondlife: the patch breaks those target's manuals (looks like it needs a little tweaking in the platform file) due to the automatic parsing of the lang's features.txt into options that can be used in the manual |
| 12:55:21 | pondlife | Urgh, I still can't build manuals here... must fix that (or get the VMWare out again). |
| 12:55:36 | pixelma | push the apostrophe to where it belongs |
| 12:57:20 | pixelma | just noticed because I'm compiling a bunch of manuals anyways to test my changes... |
| 12:58:19 | pondlife | Don't suppose you could fix that up for me, if it's not a big job..? |
| 12:58:40 | pixelma | I could do the change an... will append that to the task once I'm done |
| 12:58:59 | pondlife | Thanks, I doubt I'll ever get the time. |
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| 13:18:21 | podz | hello |
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| 13:19:46 | podz | can somone help me |
| 13:20:14 | markun | podz: what's the problem? |
| 13:23:51 | B4gder | /me checks his crystal ball but it's pitch black so he rolls the dice instead |
| 13:24:18 | B4gder | ok, the answer seems to be "read the manual" ! |
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| 13:30:15 | pixelma | pondlife: something's weird in the alarm setting screen on my M5: to increase the hour I need to press "right" which sometimes is mistaken as "select" on my M5 in general due to bouncing but became really rare after some pcf drive changes. Now in the alarm setting screen I see it very often again but it seems only there because it doesn't fail the "play bubbles test" |
| 13:30:34 | pixelma | s/drive/driver |
| 13:31:29 | pondlife | Hmm, so the pcf changes have hurt the M5 keyboard driver? |
| 13:34:33 | pixelma | I don't really understand this as the problem seems to only be back in the alarm settings screen |
| 13:35:01 | markun | the "use real name" notice should perhaps be even more prominent: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ZbuBen |
| 13:35:35 | markun | Ah, I see he made a new account :) |
| 13:36:35 | pixelma | pondlife: I believe the patch is originally older than the fixes, but it doesn't make sense to me... |
| 13:39:41 | pixelma | or does the alarm screen use a non-standard way to get the button presses? |
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| 13:42:31 | pondlife | Sorry, I don't know - that code isn't new either. |
| 13:47:54 | podz | hello |
| 13:48:07 | podz | oh sorry i was doing somthing |
| 13:48:12 | podz | well |
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| 13:48:37 | podz | im trying to get rockbox on my ipod and its not working |
| 13:49:09 | podz | anyone... |
| 13:49:22 | pixelma | what Ipod? |
| 13:49:36 | podz | uhh |
| 13:49:38 | podz | mini |
| 13:49:47 | podz | i dont know wich gen |
| 13:50:26 | pixelma | with the greyscale display? does it have the capacity (storage) engraved on the back? |
| 13:50:39 | podz | yea |
| 13:50:42 | podz | 2 gb |
| 13:52:48 | pixelma | then I should be a second generation. Which instructions do you follow, where's the problem? And could you please use the enter key a little less and put your thought on less lines (reasoning is stated in the guidelines linked from the channel's topic) |
| 13:52:49 | podz | .. |
| 13:53:02 | pixelma | s/I/it |
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| 13:54:40 | podz | ok well when i put it in disk mode and i start up the ipodpatcher.exe it says theres no ipod |
| 13:54:49 | podz | ok well when i put it in disk mode and i start up the ipodpatcher.exe it says theres no ipod |
| 13:56:08 | BigBambi | Are you using admin/root rights? |
| 13:56:18 | podz | ? |
| 13:56:22 | podz | whats that |
| 13:56:30 | BigBambi | Are you an administrator on your computer |
| 13:56:38 | podz | yes |
| 13:56:39 | BigBambi | What account type do you have? |
| 13:56:44 | BigBambi | Are you sure? |
| 13:56:45 | podz | admin |
| 13:56:47 | podz | yes |
| 13:56:54 | podz | its the main user |
| 13:57:00 | podz | (the only one) |
| 13:57:08 | BigBambi | On what OS? |
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| 13:57:21 | podz | os? |
| 13:57:27 | BigBambi | operating system |
| 13:57:31 | podz | vista |
| 13:58:06 | pixelma | are there really 2nd gen Ipod Minis with 2GB? |
| 13:58:19 | BigBambi | Are you sure it isn't a nano? |
| 13:58:28 | podz | im not sure lol |
| 13:58:35 | podz | umm |
| 13:58:43 | BigBambi | http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 |
| 13:59:15 | podz | yea its nano |
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| 13:59:21 | lomur | rockbox |
| 13:59:22 | BigBambi | 2nd gen |
| 13:59:44 | BigBambi | podz: As www.rockbox.org says, Rockbox does not run on 2nd Gen Nanos |
| 13:59:46 | podz | i think |
| 13:59:50 | lomur | rockbox |
| 13:59:52 | BigBambi | podz: Is it that that you have? |
| 13:59:55 | lomur | rockbox |
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| 14:00:18 | B4gder | lomur: now stop |
| 14:00:23 | lomur | with what |
| 14:00:25 | podz | it looks like nano and i dont know what gen |
| 14:00:42 | BigBambi | podz: Did you look at the link I posted |
| 14:00:58 | podz | yes |
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| 14:01:08 | lomur | rockbox |
| 14:01:21 | BigBambi | podz: Well then? |
| 14:01:27 | lomur | rockbox |
| 14:01:32 | podz | ok 2gen nano |
| 14:01:37 | lomur | rockbox |
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| 14:01:45 | BigBambi | 14:00BigBambipodz: As www.rockbox.org says, Rockbox does not run on 2nd Gen Nanos |
| 14:01:52 | rockboxrox | hello |
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| 14:02:15 | B4gder | lomur: stop now then? |
| 14:02:18 | lomur | with what |
| 14:02:20 | rockboxrox | anyone here involved in the development of rockbox? |
| 14:02:27 | BigBambi | rockboxrox: Lots |
| 14:02:32 | BigBambi | If you have a question, just ask |
| 14:02:37 | B4gder | lomur: your repeating "rockbox" |
| 14:02:44 | podz | wait bambi |
| 14:02:51 | lomur | because it's correct |
| 14:02:54 | podz | is there anything i can do |
| 14:02:58 | Kick | (#rockbox lomur :moo on you) by B4gder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
| 14:02:59 | BigBambi | Nope |
| 14:03:03 | podz | dam |
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| 14:03:15 | lomur | why do you kick me |
| 14:03:20 | rockboxrox | I just want to say thank you all - I got a m:robe as a gift recently, but could only use it with window$. I easily installed rockbox on the m:robe and now it works like charm |
| 14:03:32 | BigBambi | rockboxrox: cool :) |
| 14:03:43 | podz | can u guys try to come out with one for 2 gen nano plzzz |
| 14:03:48 | lomur | ? |
| 14:03:52 | BigBambi | podz: It doesn't work like that |
| 14:03:58 | markun | podz: it's quite difficult |
| 14:04:01 | podz | ? |
| 14:04:02 | lomur | I only said it was correct |
| 14:04:06 | B4gder | lomur: you must behave |
| 14:04:08 | BigBambi | podz: Read www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPorts |
| 14:04:15 | podz | k |
| 14:04:20 | rockboxrox | I saw some words that a calendar was on the wishlist - any progress on that? |
| 14:04:25 | BigBambi | podz: and add to it that the Nanao 2nd gen is encrypted with undocumented hardware |
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| 14:04:43 | lomur | B4gder: I behaved all the time |
| 14:04:43 | markun | podz: the hardware in the nano 2g is very different from the 1g and everything is encrypted |
| 14:04:49 | lomur | I only said rockbox |
| 14:04:50 | BigBambi | rockboxrox: Other than what is on the tracker, not that I know of |
| 14:04:54 | B4gder | lomur: good, then stop repeating yourself |
| 14:05:12 | lomur | but rockbox is correct, isn't it? |
| 14:05:25 | BigBambi | podz: Sorry, www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort |
| 14:05:29 | B4gder | lomur: this is my final warning and I will ban you |
| 14:05:35 | B4gder | stop the crap |
| 14:05:42 | podz | ok |
| 14:05:56 | rockboxrox | BigBambi: I'll be patient than - but it would be great if I could sync it with evolution etc! |
| 14:06:06 | lomur | why so aggressive? I want to be a friend of yours |
| 14:06:07 | BigBambi | rockboxrox: Then get coding :) |
| 14:06:13 | B4gder | lomur: then BEHAVE |
| 14:06:31 | BigBambi | rockboxrox: But yes, for updates you can watch the front page |
| 14:06:43 | markun | lomur: do you use rockbox? |
| 14:06:55 | lomur | rockbox is a beautiful word |
| 14:07:01 | B4gder | it is |
| 14:07:16 | markun | B4gder picked the name :) |
| 14:07:18 | BigBambi | rockboxrox: However, people work on what they want, so unless someone comes along who really wants that and works on it to make it happen, it won't |
| 14:07:27 | * | BigBambi thought Zagor |
| 14:07:28 | desowin | yes, rockbox unfortunately is ambiguous due to that tracker with same name |
| 14:07:29 | rockboxrox | BigBambi: I wish I could. I am too stupid for that. I am part of the dumb user group :-) |
| 14:07:31 | B4gder | markun: actually zagor did |
| 14:07:36 | markun | oops |
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| 14:08:13 | BigBambi | rockboxrox: I'm with you there :) |
| 14:08:24 | podz | ok then thx for your help |
| 14:08:30 | BigBambi | no problem |
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| 14:09:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Ping! |
| 14:09:18 | lomur | pong |
| 14:09:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | lomur: Not you. |
| 14:09:41 | lomur | I play roman ping, you play roman pong, like to civilised senators |
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| 14:10:34 | Mode | "#rockbox +b lomur!*@* " by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
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| 14:11:10 | B4gder | very complicated ban pattern ;-) |
| 14:12:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | B4gder: Thanks for that. |
| 14:13:20 | rockboxrox | ok, thanks for the info - please keep up developing RockBox - It rox! - I'd be happy to test any new feature - thanks again all of you who are involved in this - It is a great thing. |
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| 14:15:53 | * | petur probably needs to read the logs and goes to do that |
| 14:16:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: I tried your suggestion that you posted at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17158.msg127635#msg127635, and now my 4G color is displaying all bitmaps properly. |
| 14:16:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | However, I've yet to find out the proper LCD init sequence. |
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| 14:26:32 | pixelma | pondlife: the issue seems to be a button action conflict... I think I understand what's happening, let's see if I can fix it |
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| 14:30:19 | pixelma | I just wonder why it doesn't affect other settings screens (or noone noticed so far) |
| 14:31:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Are you talking about the 4G iPod color LCD? |
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| 14:32:20 | pixelma | no, about the alarm patch for H300/X5/M5 |
| 14:32:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ahh, sorry about that. :) |
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| 14:35:04 | pixelma | no problem :) |
| 14:37:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | Actually, I do want to brush up quickly on building bootbox for my JBRv1. I run ../tools/configure, pick Recorder, build bootloader, then make. I have bootbox.bin in a /bootloader folder in my build folder. |
| 14:37:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Is that correct? |
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| 14:47:38 | pixelma | pondlife: got it, will comment (and attach the diff) later today |
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| 14:51:54 | pixelma | pondlife: turns out that it was just coincidence that the button action conflict looked the same as the button driver problem on my device... |
| 14:53:35 | petur | worked here.... |
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| 14:54:20 | pixelma | petur: it's specific to the X5/M5 pad, the h300 keymap file already looks differently |
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| 14:59:25 | petur | ah ok |
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| 15:02:59 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinks the instructions for flashing Archos devices are a real mess... and rolls up his sleeves |
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| 15:07:48 | pondlife | pixelma: Thanks, that also explains why I'd not seen it. |
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| 15:32:51 | MTee_ | hello |
| 15:33:59 | MTee_ | I want to start developing rockbox .. could someone help me get started with it ? |
| 15:34:31 | delorean90 | have you read over the rockbox site? |
| 15:36:06 | krazykit | MTee_, the "for developers" section of the wiki is an excellent place to start reading :) |
| 15:36:37 | MTee_ | ok .. I'll start there then :) |
| 15:36:38 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 15:37:01 | pixelma | I wonder... should "how to create the Spectrum .tap files (for ZXBox)" be mentioned in the manual or the wiki? There already is a link to the utilities section on the worldofspectrum site in the "hacking graphics" part.... |
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| 15:40:23 | gevaerts | I'm not sure. It somehow depends on what you want on them. Picture-to-tap has tools, but cassette-to-tap has different tools |
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| 15:51:08 | pixelma | maybe just link the utilities in a more general part? |
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| 17:19:10 | wpyh | hi all |
| 17:19:35 | wpyh | I've finished my second round of iPod runtime testing, and have updated the IpodRuntime page |
| 17:20:03 | wpyh | RB gets 21h 30min, while the OF gets 22h 30min |
| 17:20:06 | wpyh | that's pretty close |
| 17:21:42 | wastrel | runtime testing takes a long time |
| 17:21:55 | wpyh | comparing with other peoples' results, I think the best improvement that CF card takes comes to RB |
| 17:22:11 | wpyh | the OF does at least 20 straight hours with the HD and with the CF |
| 17:22:52 | markun | wpyh: nice results |
| 17:22:55 | wpyh | wastrel: yes, but luckily I have a video and a nano, so I can listen to the nano while the video sits in my drawer |
| 17:23:25 | wpyh | markun: :) |
| 17:25:49 | wpyh | so, I think we can close the remaining 1 hour gap by: 1) using the dma hardware, which I think would get us ~10-15 mins, 2) optimizing the codec, another ~20-30 mins, 3) optimizing the use of power, like setting the registers correctly for example, another ~20-30 mins, 4) optimizing RB overall some more would give us better results than the OF |
| 17:27:32 | wpyh | *BUT* for most people out there who don't use the CF card mod, I think using the DMA hardware will give the biggest boost |
| 17:27:44 | wpyh | so, anyone volunteering? ;) |
| 17:28:12 | markun | wpyh: you? :) |
| 17:28:27 | wpyh | markun: uh... |
| 17:28:28 | markun | btw, what makes you think it will give such a big boost? |
| 17:28:31 | wpyh | disclaimer: I'm no expert |
| 17:28:56 | wpyh | well, it's just a "not-so-wild" guess actually |
| 17:29:14 | wpyh | because I don't have battbench results for the 80 GB hdd |
| 17:29:35 | wpyh | let's compare another user's results then |
| 17:29:57 | wpyh | there's this one with "16h 49min" on a 60GB ipod video with RB |
| 17:30:19 | wpyh | I'd say 60 GB and 80 GB models don't differ by much for the battery runtime |
| 17:30:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | Some reports have said that the 80GB models get just a *little* more runtime, but who knows? |
| 17:31:12 | wpyh | my result with RB is 22h 00min and 21h 30min, so there's about 5h difference |
| 17:31:25 | wpyh | but my result is with the CF card, not with the hdd |
| 17:31:31 | wpyh | then, compare the OF runtimes |
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| 17:32:28 | wpyh | that user reported around 21h 30min when his ipod was not so old (batteries wear out), with the hdd, while mine is 22h 30min with the CF, so the difference is just 1 hour |
| 17:33:13 | wpyh | LambdaCalculus37: well, I think that's more of a battery age issue :p |
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| 17:33:44 | markun | There are attachments on the wiki main page again. I wonder how that happens every time. |
| 17:33:46 | wpyh | LambdaCalculus37: not that I dismiss those reports though :p |
| 17:34:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | I would love to get a ZIF-to-CF adapter for my iPod video. :) |
| 17:34:18 | * | wpyh hands LambdaCalculus37 one |
| 17:34:20 | markun | wpyh: ideally you would do another runtime test with a HDD, do you still have it? |
| 17:34:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | I also have this old busted 4G greyscale that's just screaming for a CF card. |
| 17:34:33 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wishes he could just get one via IRC ;) |
| 17:34:42 | wpyh | yes, I still have the hdd since I haven't found a buyer for it yet ;) |
| 17:34:52 | wpyh | I will test it after my exams (20/6) |
| 17:35:30 | wpyh | LambdaCalculus37: I think there are sellers on ebay |
| 17:35:48 | wpyh | I've put some info in the CFModGuide :) |
| 17:37:00 | wpyh | markun: looking at the attachment, it could be part of RB |
| 17:37:08 | wpyh | maybe there's a bug in the wiki software? |
| 17:37:39 | markun | wpyh: yes, that's what I think |
| 17:38:12 | wpyh | we have to wait for wiki admins to fix/patch it then |
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| 17:48:07 | * | BigBambi spots lots of wild guessing on numbers with no evidence |
| 17:48:45 | BigBambi | For instance, Rockbox already gets better runtime than the OFs on quite a few players |
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| 17:49:24 | wpyh | BigBambi: yes, that's why it's just a guess; but it's not a wild guess IMO |
| 17:49:33 | BigBambi | And saratoga and Buschel who have spent quite a lot of time profiling codecs to find out exactly where they can be optimised would love to know the provenance of 2) optimizing the codec, another ~20-30 mins, |
| 17:49:39 | wpyh | and you can't compare different types of players |
| 17:49:49 | BigBambi | especially as a lot of them are in assembly already |
| 17:50:03 | BigBambi | wpyh: It is just a valid as your meaningless guesses |
| 17:51:02 | wpyh | BigBambi: the codec being in assembly doesn't make it optimal ;) |
| 17:51:49 | BigBambi | no, but it generally makes it faster than C (not always) |
| 17:51:50 | markun | BigBambi: well, if switching from HDD to CF makes a bigger impact to runtime in rockbox than the OF it's not such a 'meaningless guess' |
| 17:52:05 | BigBambi | wpyh: My point is, you are pulling numbers out of thin air |
| 17:52:21 | * | BigBambi would just like a little bit of research first |
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| 17:53:26 | markun | they are pulled from runtime tests and the wiki |
| 17:53:54 | BigBambi | markun: you can't guess at where different savings can be made from that, surely |
| 17:54:06 | BigBambi | sure, you can look at the overall difference |
| 17:54:15 | BigBambi | and say some could be from there, and some from there |
| 17:54:26 | BigBambi | But I find it hard to believe you can put numbers on it |
| 17:54:34 | wpyh | well, I'm reading data from other peoples' results, so it's not a scientifically valid analysis |
| 17:55:00 | BigBambi | I didn't mean to sound as harsh as I did rereading it btw |
| 17:55:04 | BigBambi | So sorry about that |
| 17:55:13 | wpyh | BigBambi: no hard feelings :) |
| 17:55:25 | BigBambi | I just don't see how you can get at the numbers :) |
| 17:55:34 | wpyh | and as I said, I will try to test it again after the exams |
| 17:56:07 | BigBambi | wpyh: Sure, I'm just trying to understqnd :) |
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| 17:57:10 | wpyh | BigBambi: you mean the small gains / portions of the 1 hour difference? it's a very rough estimate, but basically: 1. the disk would be out of the picture, since DMA with CF won't gain much; 2. the rest is split quite evenly between codec optimization and power usage |
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| 17:58:42 | wpyh | uh, by power usage I mean power management, like for example setting the voltage control registers to a power-saving mode |
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| 18:00:53 | pixelma | hmm fun... on targets the plugin "dice" is in the "games" category while it is described in the "applications" part in the manual (which was there before, I think) |
| 18:06:10 | BigBambi | wpyh: OK :) Home time now anyway :) |
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| 18:30:21 | saratoga | I saw some speculation about power use in the logs, i'll refer you to my June 1 email to the dev mailing list |
| 18:31:03 | saratoga | with that in mind, you could probably get 2 hours of extra battery life using a codec that doesn't boost (like FLAC or MPC) |
| 18:31:42 | saratoga | and another 1.5 hours using a codec that didn't boost at 24MHz core clock |
| 18:31:56 | saratoga | (assuming a flash PP target) |
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| 19:54:29 | leachim6 | Hey |
| 19:56:17 | bluebrother | hello |
| 19:56:51 | leachim6 | I'm sure that you guys are tired of getting this question |
| 19:56:56 | leachim6 | can I run rockbox on a 5g iPod ? |
| 19:57:01 | leachim6 | not a 5.5 ... an original 5g |
| 19:57:32 | scorche|sh | yes...as the front page should indicate |
| 19:58:02 | leachim6 | is there a gui installer for linux ? |
| 19:58:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | There's Rockbox Utility. |
| 19:58:23 | domonoky | leachim6: yes, rbutil its in the wiki.. |
| 19:59:14 | leachim6 | can you link me to the faq ... I'm sure these questions I'm about to ask have been asked hundreds of times |
| 19:59:24 | bluebrother | leachim6: I'd suggest you check http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
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| 19:59:49 | bluebrother | (and that's rather easy to find: follow the white rabbit ... errr link labelled "manual") |
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| 20:01:14 | leachim6 | so bottom line ... can I brick my iPod with this ? |
| 20:01:53 | domonoky | rockbox recommended way of bricking an ipod is a Hammer, use it with gusto :-) |
| 20:02:14 | domonoky | ipods are nearly unbrickable (by software) |
| 20:02:33 | bluebrother | domonoky: you missed the quotation marks ;-) |
| 20:02:59 | * | domonoky assumed this quote is under GPL :-) |
| 20:03:01 | leachim6 | domonoky, that's encouraging |
| 20:03:10 | leachim6 | is there a way to restore my iPod on linux ? |
| 20:03:16 | bluebrother | leachim6: worst case is that you'll loose all your data on the Ipod though that is quite unlikely |
| 20:03:55 | domonoky | leachim6: there is a "ManualRestore- howto" page in the wiki, which you can use under Linux.. |
| 20:04:21 | leachim6 | bluebrother, you should have your music backed up ... |
| 20:04:23 | leachim6 | :) |
| 20:04:36 | bluebrother | leachim6: it didn't happen to me ;-) |
| 20:04:45 | leachim6 | It's happened to me |
| 20:04:50 | bluebrother | but backups are a good idea anyway |
| 20:04:50 | leachim6 | that's why I backup my music now :) |
| 20:07:45 | leachim6 | so what's the difference between Rockbox and iPod Linux ... any relation ? |
| 20:07:49 | leachim6 | IS rockbox linux ? |
| 20:07:55 | bluebrother | no. |
| 20:08:10 | bluebrother | Rockbox uses code from IPL but it's a system of its own |
| 20:08:15 | leachim6 | so it's completely "from the ground up" |
| 20:08:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. |
| 20:08:28 | leachim6 | is it more efficient than linux on the iPod ? |
| 20:08:37 | leachim6 | i always thought booting a linux kernel on the iPod was kind of overkill |
| 20:08:48 | bluebrother | Rockbox goal was to be a music player while IPL wanted to run linux on the ipod |
| 20:09:03 | leachim6 | Also...I've heard many more success stories from Rockbox than I have from iPod linux |
| 20:09:12 | leachim6 | and it runs doom ... so what else do you need right :) |
| 20:09:16 | pixelma | and Rockbox didn't start on Ipods |
| 20:09:23 | bluebrother | who needs doom? |
| 20:09:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | We need music, now Doom. ;) |
| 20:09:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | s/now/not |
| 20:09:38 | Horscht | bluebrother, it is generaly a show.off thing |
| 20:09:48 | bluebrother | Rockbox started with "old" archos players using special hardware to decode the audio |
| 20:10:05 | bluebrother | Horscht: remove doom! (one more situation where I can say this ;-) |
| 20:10:18 | FOAD | Doom metal FTW. |
| 20:10:33 | bluebrother | remembers me ... I haven't installed the wad on my new toy :) |
| 20:10:34 | Horscht | i don't realy see the point of removing it, I never used it though |
| 20:10:43 | leachim6 | in linux ... my iPod is showed as havin 2 partitions ... sdd1 and sdd2 ... sdd2 is the data partition , what's the other one ? |
| 20:10:56 | bluebrother | the firmware partition |
| 20:10:57 | Horscht | system partition |
| 20:11:01 | leachim6 | ahhah |
| 20:11:05 | leachim6 | what FS is that ? |
| 20:11:13 | bluebrother | it's used by the Apple firmware and bootloader. |
| 20:11:23 | bluebrother | it doesn't use a filesystem. |
| 20:11:28 | leachim6 | so it's not an FS ... hmm |
| 20:11:42 | leachim6 | does rockbox modify that partition ? |
| 20:11:46 | bluebrother | or at least no usual filesystem (not 100% what it really is ... I _think_ it's just binary data) |
| 20:12:02 | bluebrother | yes. The bootloader is located there and therefore it needs to get modified |
| 20:12:17 | leachim6 | there is no plaintext that I can find in /dev/sdd1 |
| 20:12:23 | leachim6 | so I think it's just a binary blob |
| 20:12:34 | bluebrother | but you can uninstall the Rockbox bootloader without problems. In case you have issues you always can dd the firmware image from apple to that partition and are back again |
| 20:13:27 | leachim6 | command for that ? |
| 20:13:49 | leachim6 | dd if=/home/user/ipodbackup.blob of=/dev/sdd1 ? |
| 20:13:53 | bluebrother | uninstalling the bootloader or putting back the apple fw? |
| 20:13:54 | domonoky | leachim6: just use ipodpatcher or rbutil, buth can do this for you.. :-) |
| 20:13:59 | leachim6 | wait ... I did that backwards |
| 20:14:30 | leachim6 | It just now occurred to me that if = Input File and of= Output File |
| 20:14:44 | Horscht | yes, yes indeed |
| 20:14:50 | bluebrother | domonoky: well, there's a slight difference: ipodpatcher undoes the bootloader modifications it did. It doesn't simply overwrite with a new image ;-) |
| 20:15:11 | domonoky | yes, our patchers are smarter then dd :-) |
| 20:15:48 | leachim6 | who wrote rbutil! |
| 20:15:49 | leachim6 | ... |
| 20:16:21 | * | domonoky and bluebrother :-) |
| 20:16:29 | domonoky | and a few others.. |
| 20:16:30 | leachim6 | well then! |
| 20:16:32 | leachim6 | great job you guys |
| 20:16:48 | leachim6 | It's very polished ... especially for a beta |
| 20:16:54 | leachim6 | or whatever version it is now |
| 20:17:09 | bluebrother | I called it "m1" for Milestone ;-) |
| 20:17:20 | leachim6 | so ... if I do a compact installation ... can I use rbutil to go back and add packages ? |
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| 20:17:32 | leachim6 | I'd just like to do a minimal install to see if it works |
| 20:17:36 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 20:17:37 | leachim6 | then add the cool packages |
| 20:17:40 | leachim6 | ok great |
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| 20:18:00 | leachim6 | is there a list of rockbox packages I can look at ? |
| 20:18:01 | leachim6 | extra ones |
| 20:18:03 | bluebrother | but those packages are mainly fonts and themes. And the game file for doom, if you want to use that |
| 20:18:39 | leachim6 | so not as many packages as iPod linux then :( |
| 20:19:03 | leachim6 | ok...it says installation finished successfully |
| 20:19:04 | leachim6 | what do I do now |
| 20:19:05 | domonoky | no, everthing else is already included, no need for extra packages :-) |
| 20:19:09 | leachim6 | unmount it ? |
| 20:19:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | And enjoy Rockbox. |
| 20:19:18 | bluebrother | remembers me, what's the status of the midi patchset? |
| 20:19:21 | leachim6 | great |
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| 20:19:33 | leachim6 | is there a way I can make it boot into the apple OS by default ? |
| 20:19:48 | bluebrother | "full isntall" in rbutil simply allows you to install themes the same time and also installs the fonts |
| 20:19:55 | bluebrother | leachim6: no, and this is not wanted. |
| 20:20:02 | leachim6 | it is by me ... |
| 20:20:07 | leachim6 | would it take a lot of code ? |
| 20:20:17 | bluebrother | but it's also not needed. Rockbox shuts down the hardware completely while apple only "sleeps" |
| 20:20:31 | leachim6 | wait ... it will let me shutdown my iPod |
| 20:20:33 | leachim6 | finally ! |
| 20:20:40 | leachim6 | lol ... what was apple thinking with that |
| 20:20:41 | bluebrother | due to this you need to hard reset the Ipod to go back to Rockbox. So there is really no need to boot AppleOS first. |
| 20:20:53 | bluebrother | well, it starts faster ... |
| 20:20:54 | leachim6 | is there a way I can get a choice on boo t? |
| 20:21:09 | bluebrother | no |
| 20:21:11 | leachim6 | bluebrother, yeah ... but I come back a while later and it's dead |
| 20:21:26 | leachim6 | when I click install themes it says no themes found |
| 20:21:31 | bluebrother | except if you use IPL's Loader2, but that is completely unsupported by us. |
| 20:21:40 | bluebrother | what Ipod do you have? Video? |
| 20:21:43 | leachim6 | yes |
| 20:21:57 | domonoky | leachim6: the themes for ipod5g are disabled in rbutil, you have to download it manually.. |
| 20:22:01 | bluebrother | then this is correct. Those have been disabled on the server due to bandwith reasons |
| 20:22:07 | leachim6 | ahh |
| 20:22:15 | leachim6 | can I still use rbutil if I download them manually ? |
| 20:22:29 | leachim6 | domonoky, how come you guys don't use sourceforge ? |
| 20:22:32 | bluebrother | yes, but you can't use it for installation. |
| 20:22:36 | Buschel | wpyh: your CF-mod shows that HDD needs about 5-6mA over the CF-modded hardware −− more than i thought. as users of the OF (i never used it) stated that buffering in OF is about 2x faster, i would assume that DMA could bring up to 2-3mA savings. this equals 1,5-2 hours |
| 20:22:36 | leachim6 | some weird ethical reason |
| 20:22:56 | bluebrother | but installation is rather simple. Just unzip the zip file to the root of your player. |
| 20:22:57 | leachim6 | so when I click install doom , that goes on the data partition right ? |
| 20:22:58 | domonoky | leachim6: sourceforge is so slow, in the beginning rockbox was on sourceforge.. |
| 20:23:06 | leachim6 | domonoky, yeah ... but it's free |
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| 20:23:12 | leachim6 | pretty fast for me |
| 20:23:33 | leachim6 | I have to close rbutil before I unmount my iPod right |
| 20:23:35 | leachim6 | 'cause it's using it |
| 20:24:03 | domonoky | leachim6: no doom goes to the data partition, not firmware, its just a file at the right place.. |
| 20:24:14 | leachim6 | I just said that |
| 20:24:20 | leachim6 | "so when I click install doom , that goes on the data partition right ?" |
| 20:24:35 | bluebrother | no need to unmount −− the file system isn't locked. |
| 20:24:48 | Buschel | wpyh: another thing is that RB can switch off the power supply, OF does not (from my measurements). so, the difference in runtime between OF and RB is even higher than you have measured. if that is mainly based upon codec we definately have some work to do :) |
| 20:24:49 | bluebrother | it doesn't hurt though ;-) |
| 20:25:35 | Buschel | btw, did anyone ever make measurements of mp3-decoded files via lineout and compared OF to RB output? |
| 20:26:07 | leachim6 | can rockbox play video ? |
| 20:26:17 | Buschel | with special files (higher frequencies cut) we might see some difference of the decoders quality... at least it's worth a try |
| 20:26:34 | bluebrother | yes. See http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer |
| 20:26:42 | domonoky | leachim6: you should really read the manual... :-) |
| 20:26:51 | leachim6 | sorry |
| 20:27:14 | bluebrother | the IpodFAQ wiki page is also an interesting read I gues ... |
| 20:27:41 | Buschel | regarding codec precision: maybe higher noise floor or some residual peaks in the spectrogram could be observed |
| 20:32:07 | leachim6 | there's no mp4 support :( |
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| 20:33:24 | leachim6 | so since there's no mp4 support that means no DivX or XviD either |
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| 20:34:46 | bluebrother | no, but you'd have to transcode the videos to the correct size anyway. |
| 20:34:50 | domonoky | leachim6: you have to convert your movies anyway, because you need the right resolution (not enoght power to decode fullsize video and resize) |
| 20:35:18 | bluebrother | and the Ipod isn't powerful enough to decode mpeg4 −− the video has an extra chip for that, but that is completely undocumented (and unknown) |
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| 20:50:02 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: There's a photo for you in the forums. |
| 20:51:20 | * | LambdaCalculus37 goes to see... he has a good idea of what it is ;) |
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| 20:51:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Wow! Congrats, dude! :) |
| 20:52:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | We now have custom code on the c100! |
| 20:53:23 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Pretty sad really, I'm feeling a bit overwealmed by the code structure. Rockbox is a real monster. |
| 20:55:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: I think you may be interested in FS #9096. It's a little extra bit of code from shotofadds that *may* display the NAND ID. |
| 20:57:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | And for your hard work... |
| 20:57:06 | * | LambdaCalculus37 hands MarcGuay a beer |
| 20:59:13 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Already got one, thanks. :) It is getting warm, though... |
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| 21:09:32 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37, shotofadds: After applying that patch nothing is displayed. |
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| 21:16:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Nothing meaning, "nothing at all"? Or "nothing extra |
| 21:16:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | "? |
| 21:19:10 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Nothing at all, running the nand_read_id() function seems to cause a breakdown. |
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| 21:20:13 | * | LambdaCalculus37 tries it on his m240 |
| 21:20:43 | MarcGuay | Is anyone working on fixing Flyspray? |
| 21:20:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Same thing. Nothing is displayed. |
| 21:21:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'll comment on the patch in Flyspray. Want to comment as well? |
| 21:21:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | That way shotofadds will know that it's not working. |
| 21:21:24 | MarcGuay | To be more specific, fixing the blank pages. It's making it difficult to work with. Lambda: Did. |
| 21:21:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Okay, my turn now. :) |
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| 21:22:02 | livingdaylight | hi |
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| 21:22:10 | vertic23 | hey |
| 21:22:15 | livingdaylight | i was shopping for an mp3 player |
| 21:22:34 | vertic23 | my X5V is not charging anymoren through power cable... but only with usb plugged :/ what can I do to fix this? |
| 21:22:47 | livingdaylight | all we have here on the high street in the uk, it seems, is creative zen, ipod, and errr..samsung or something |
| 21:23:04 | vertic23 | try the interweb! |
| 21:23:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | And we have eBay, where you can find a Rockbox-compatible player. |
| 21:23:56 | livingdaylight | i was looking for an iAudio but they're not sold on the highstreets anymore here... i wanted that coz it plays .flac out of the box which none of the other do, plus its awesome audio quality i hear... |
| 21:24:21 | vertic23 | iwhat is highstreets? ...forget that street if you have internets!' |
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| 21:24:37 | MarcGuay | livingdaylight: All Rockbox supported players can play .flac. |
| 21:24:54 | gevaerts | MarcGuay: not entirely. The old archoses don't |
| 21:24:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Not quite. Don't forget about the MP3-only Archos players. |
| 21:25:14 | vertic23 | true, don't forget the archos, MarcGuay! |
| 21:25:18 | MarcGuay | livingdaylight: If you're looking for general advice on buying a player, you might want to try sites/channels devoted to that. |
| 21:25:19 | vertic23 | ;D |
| 21:25:23 | MarcGuay | My bad. Easy folks. :) |
| 21:25:39 | livingdaylight | MarcGuay: do you know any? |
| 21:25:43 | MarcGuay | I always sleep on the Archoses. |
| 21:25:50 | vertic23 | well, now for real - anything for my X5V problem :( |
| 21:26:01 | MarcGuay | livingdaylight: anythingbutipod.com has good reviews. |
| 21:26:07 | livingdaylight | i was on rockbox website and it seems it doesn't run on creative zen, is that right? |
| 21:26:08 | vertic23 | and is recharging through USB slower than by power cable?! |
| 21:26:09 | wastrel | archos MarcGuay |
| 21:26:18 | livingdaylight | MarcGuay: thanks |
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| 21:28:12 | MarcGuay | livingdaylight: Not yet... It's being worked on, though. Check the NewPorts forum thread and the wiki page for the status. |
| 21:28:28 | vertic23 | MarcGuay :/ can you tell me? |
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| 21:28:37 | MarcGuay | vertic23: No idea, sorry. |
| 21:28:49 | vertic23 | maybe you can buy me then a new player? |
| 21:28:55 | vertic23 | is it worth now buying a new hdd? |
| 21:29:15 | vertic23 | should I commit suicide? how will I survive :/ |
| 21:29:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | vetric23: Stop this right now. |
| 21:29:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | Either keep it on-topic or leave. |
| 21:29:51 | vertic23 | ok, I'll stay |
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| 21:30:58 | MarcGuay | vertic23: Did it just suddenly stop working? Perhaps your cable is fried? |
| 21:31:28 | vertic23 | hopefully not - over usb it's working |
| 21:31:34 | vertic23 | so ..can't be the adapter |
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| 21:42:53 | fml | pixelma: I'd say dice is an application which is used when you want to play a game. But it's still an app (and not a game). |
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| 21:56:15 | MarcGuay | Pressing the buttons on the c100 causes changes in GPIOA, some of which are unique (menu/power, select, hold) while others are not (volume up/down and dir-down are the same, and left-up-right dirs are the same as well). Is this abnormal or does it just mean that the details are elsewhere? |
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| 21:58:16 | MarcGuay | I notice in other button drivers the ADC is where this is at. |
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| 22:09:07 | domonoky | MarcGuay: yes, most players use a combination of ADC and GPIO for buttons, (ie some are connected directly, and other buttons in a restore-network via ADC ) |
| 22:09:28 | amiconn | s/restore/resistor/ ;) |
| 22:09:35 | domonoky | :-) |
| 22:09:43 | * | domonoky cant type today.. :-) |
| 22:09:47 | MarcGuay | domonoky: Okay, thank you. |
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| 22:17:13 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: Howdy. Any thoughts on the c100 LCD mis-alignment? |
| 22:18:08 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: I'm just piecing together the buttons now using the 5 lines that are displayed... :) |
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| 22:18:34 | linuxstb | MarcGuay: I'm just staring at your photo now... |
| 22:19:16 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: Give it a good glaring-at. |
| 22:19:26 | linuxstb | Have you tried what shotofadds suggested in the forum - trying to just write blocks of colour to the screen? |
| 22:19:57 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: Honestly, I didn't know where to begin to try such a thing. |
| 22:20:22 | linuxstb | What about just writing a single line of text? |
| 22:20:51 | linuxstb | The GraphicsAPI wiki page may give you a clue. You could test it out in the sim (e.g. by playing with a plugin) to get the hang of the graphics API. |
| 22:20:53 | wastrel | does the cpu have text primitives? |
| 22:21:01 | wastrel | or gpu i guess what do i know. |
| 22:21:02 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: So modify the show_debug_screen() method to just printf a line? |
| 22:21:11 | linuxstb | wastrel: What cpu/gpu? |
| 22:21:19 | linuxstb | MarcGuay: Yes. |
| 22:21:30 | linuxstb | e.g. just printf("Hello world!") |
| 22:21:33 | wastrel | i dunno :] don't know anything about the hardware on these things. |
| 22:21:51 | linuxstb | What things? Rockbox runs on about 20 different things |
| 22:22:09 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: Well, if I comment out everything but the scrolling line it displays it, but in the same "first line" position as in the phot. |
| 22:22:15 | MarcGuay | phot=photo |
| 22:22:32 | linuxstb | And do you get the corruption at the top at the same time? |
| 22:22:53 | * | amiconn wonders where that photo is |
| 22:23:28 | * | Bagder blogged it just now since the progress is cool... |
| 22:23:29 | linuxstb | amiconn: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12652.msg127713 |
| 22:23:41 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: and I don't see anything else in the function that would screw it up... Corruption = yes, always. Even if nothing is displayed. Let me try and clear the whole function and see if it still happens. |
| 22:24:23 | linuxstb | MarcGuay: Did you modify the lcd_update_rect function, or is that identical to the c200? |
| 22:24:28 | Bagder | btw, linux journal has a 6 minute video with rockbox |
| 22:24:44 | amiconn | I think it's just an lcd controller offset |
| 22:25:09 | amiconn | The controller is obviously able to drive a larger panel than the one actually connected (quite common thing) |
| 22:25:12 | Bagder | http://www.linuxjournal.com/video/review-rockbox |
| 22:25:13 | Llorean | Bagder: It looks like there's a recovery mode for the V2 Sansas now. |
| 22:25:20 | amiconn | Do you know what controller that is? |
| 22:25:32 | Bagder | Llorean: just somewhat "physical" ;-) |
| 22:25:33 | linuxstb | I forget the name, but it's the same (or very similar) to the c200 |
| 22:25:35 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: I left it the same. |
| 22:25:51 | bertrik | Llorean, \o/ |
| 22:25:51 | Llorean | Bagder: Well, better than "none" :) |
| 22:25:55 | Bagder | indeed |
| 22:26:03 | MarcGuay | amiconn: S6B33B2 |
| 22:26:03 | amiconn | What res is the panel? |
| 22:26:08 | Llorean | Hopefully it won't be needed often, or by many, anyway |
| 22:26:45 | MarcGuay | amiconn: 128x64 |
| 22:26:46 | Llorean | Bagder: Wow, he's got a lot of unsupported players in that video. :) |
| 22:27:03 | amiconn | Hmm, and the controller can drive up to 132x162 |
| 22:27:04 | Bagder | indeed |
| 22:27:19 | amiconn | MarcGuay: Do you have the driver code somewhere to take a look? |
| 22:27:46 | MarcGuay | amiconn: Should be in one of my last posts in the c200 forum thread. |
| 22:27:58 | pixelma | c100? |
| 22:27:59 | amiconn | hrmmmrrmmm |
| 22:28:03 | * | amiconn goes to look |
| 22:28:18 | MarcGuay | pixelma: Meh. Indeed. :) |
| 22:29:00 | bertrik | hmm, the ipod in the linuxjournal runs a r15862 version :P |
| 22:29:11 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: If I get rid of all of the contents of show_debug_screen() in telechips.c, I get the corrupted top third and a blinking backlight. |
| 22:29:58 | pixelma | all those Sandisk character+triple-digit model names are calling for confusion... ;) |
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| 22:30:03 | amiconn | MarcGuay: You basically just copied the c200 driver, correct? |
| 22:30:04 | Crouchie | hey hey |
| 22:30:12 | | Part Crouchie |
| 22:30:31 | linuxstb | amiconn: The init code is from the c100 OF, but the lcd_update_rect() function is a copy of the c200 |
| 22:30:43 | amiconn | So the problem is solved... |
| 22:30:59 | MarcGuay | amiconn: Work your magic. |
| 22:31:06 | amiconn | The c200 has the panel at offset 26 (0x1a), while the c100 obviously has it at 0 |
| 22:31:32 | amiconn | Remove all the .. + 0x1a in the update functions for the y coord |
| 22:31:58 | * | petur whatched the review and thinks it is crap |
| 22:32:25 | petur | -h |
| 22:32:52 | amiconn | bertrik: Urgh, stone age... |
| 22:34:06 | MarcGuay | amiconn: Nice, getting a full screen now. Still too many lines, though, which I guess is the reason Count is getting pushed up to the top. |
| 22:34:26 | amiconn | Too many lines in what way? |
| 22:35:14 | MarcGuay | amiconn: The debug screen has more info lines than the screen can display, so the last one is looping up to the top and covering the scrolling line. |
| 22:35:48 | amiconn | Hmm. Iirc the debug screen just cuts lines not fitting onto the screen... |
| 22:36:14 | amiconn | Which screen is that? Ports? |
| 22:36:37 | linuxstb | amiconn: MarcGuay is talking about a "debug" screen in bootloader/telechips.c |
| 22:36:43 | amiconn | ah |
| 22:36:46 | MarcGuay | amiconn: Let me just double check that I'm not pulling this out of my rear. |
| 22:36:56 | amiconn | Ok, bootloader printf() does wrap to the top |
| 22:37:09 | amiconn | (and afaik the bootloader has no scrolling) |
| 22:37:26 | linuxstb | The telechips one does... |
| 22:37:36 | Genre9mp3 | petur: crap indeed |
| 22:37:47 | * | amiconn likes the GPIOA value in the screenshot ;) |
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| 22:37:58 | MarcGuay | amiconn: :) |
| 22:38:04 | amiconn | linuxstb: why is that? |
| 22:38:06 | MarcGuay | makin' me hungry |
| 22:38:41 | linuxstb | amiconn: Just for testing. All my work so far has been in the bootloader, and interrupts/threading is enable. |
| 22:38:44 | linuxstb | +d |
| 22:39:03 | amiconn | MarcGuay: Btw, the to 26 pixel rows were just garbage in the controller's internal ram, never cleared by our driver because of the wrong offset |
| 22:39:14 | amiconn | s/to/top/ |
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| 22:39:42 | amiconn | linuxstb: Why don't you try booting main rb instead? |
| 22:40:01 | linuxstb | It's not very happy with a lack of NAND driver... |
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| 22:40:46 | amiconn | Couldn't you at least boot main rb instead of the bootloader? |
| 22:41:00 | amiconn | (easier than changing the bootloader so much imho) |
| 22:41:07 | linuxstb | Probably, but I find it's simpler to play with things in the bootloader. |
| 22:41:26 | linuxstb | It's not really changing the bootloader, as no bootloader exists... |
| 22:41:38 | amiconn | Then you know what's most important next... |
| 22:42:01 | amiconn | Somewhat reminds me of the early stages of the Ondio port... |
| 22:42:22 | linuxstb | I just find it easier to test/debug drivers in the bootloader. |
| 22:42:33 | amiconn | I mean the driver... |
| 22:42:52 | linuxstb | Yes, NAND driver is obviously top of my list. I just have no rockbox time ATM :( |
| 22:44:25 | linuxstb | But a few people seem to be hacking on tcc77x devices now, and shotofadds has started a NAND driver (blindly...) |
| 22:44:42 | * | scorche|sh neakily slides something else to the top of linuxstb's list |
| 22:44:59 | * | scorche|sh sneakily adds an "s" so the last sentence |
| 22:45:16 | * | Bagder sneakily removes it again |
| 22:45:24 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: Me and Lambda tried his patch earlier with the same results: problems. |
| 22:45:33 | linuxstb | MarcGuay: Yes, I read that in the logs |
| 22:46:06 | linuxstb | MarcGuay: Have you found any buttons on GPIO pins? |
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| 22:47:02 | linuxstb | How did you test the patch? Does the C100 have a way to enter USB boot mode, or did you flash a dual-boot bootloader? |
| 22:47:09 | * | amiconn would like to see something else than an arm variant in a new rockbox target... |
| 22:47:30 | Bagder | amiconn: there are other things? ;-P |
| 22:47:38 | linuxstb | blackfin! |
| 22:47:43 | Bagder | haha |
| 22:47:44 | amiconn | Wasn't there some mips target being researched? |
| 22:47:50 | Bagder | yes, there was |
| 22:47:58 | Bagder | one of those chinese ones I beleive |
| 22:48:09 | bluebrother | this "Chinachip" thing? |
| 22:48:09 | scorche|sh | linuxstb: what is left to do on your version of the theme site again? |
| 22:48:34 | linuxstb | I was working on the validation/checking of the uploaded zip files. |
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| 22:48:46 | Bagder | bluebrother: I don't remember exactly really |
| 22:49:04 | * | Bagder did a Linux port to a MIPS-based SoC once... |
| 22:49:19 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: Yes, found some buttons in GPIOA (menu, select, and hold). I tested the patch by simply copying it into telechips.c, making a new bootloader, and running it in USB boot mode. |
| 22:49:36 | linuxstb | How do you enter usb boot mode on the c100? |
| 22:49:51 | MarcGuay | Hold select on USB plug. |
| 22:50:08 | linuxstb | You're spoilt... |
| 22:50:25 | amiconn | Ah, yes. ChinaChip -> Ingenic Jz4740 |
| 22:50:26 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: :) why? You need cartwheels for the LogikDAK? |
| 22:50:38 | MarcGuay | DAK=DAX |
| 22:50:54 | linuxstb | Yes. Either a hardware mod (soldering a switch), or removing the NAND module completely. |
| 22:51:33 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: I'm going to write Sandisk a love letter, brb. |
| 22:51:47 | scorche|sh | linuxstb: do you think you will have time to work on it in the future, or should i try to pass it onto another person or try to work on it myself? |
| 22:52:46 | amiconn | Those targets seem to be touchscreened all over :( |
| 22:53:23 | * | amiconn decides to stay far away from those |
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| 22:59:09 | Llorean | PaulJam: If you change tags, a database update won't pick up the changes. You'll need to reinitialize (unless that requirement's changed and I missed it) |
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| 23:00:34 | PaulJam | Llorean: i think Slasheri added that it checks the modified date of the files and updates without need to re-initialize. |
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| 23:02:41 | PaulJam | Llorean: see http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=15946 |
| 23:03:06 | Llorean | Yeah, I found it |
| 23:03:22 | PaulJam | not sure if it works with manual update. |
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| 23:03:52 | Llorean | It can't be working well then, because we still get a lot of people with metadata problems in their db that require an actual init to fix. |
| 23:03:56 | Llorean | =/ |
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| 23:04:59 | PaulJam | *time |
| 23:05:18 | Llorean | I don't use it, myself. |
| 23:05:21 | Llorean | Never had a need for it, at all. |
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