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#rockbox log for 2008-06-19

00:01:26scorche|shi need to add a few devices on there as well...(assuming Zoll approves of me taking 16 DAPs with me on the trip)
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00:02:12pixelmabluebrother: in case you know off the top of your head - is there something better (say more descriptive) to display an exclamation mark in the verbatim environment? I learned that using ! there has a special meaning and this was what a first quick search turned up (and worked btw.)
00:02:44pixelmaerr... I found "\symbol{33}" works
00:02:55bluebrotherdoesn't \! work?
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00:03:14pixelmano, I tried that
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00:05:01saratogaI'm pretty sure that guy who came in here asking about the WMA codec never saw my reply about portability because it was burried under a lot of disk formating junk
00:05:44*amiconn wonders what's so bad about the exclamation mark
00:06:57amiconnbash doesn't like it (stumbled upon that several times when trying to use one in a commit message), and neither does latex iiuc (in certan cases at least)
00:07:15 Quit _ntsn ("As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing.")
00:07:21Bagder! is often "magic" in unix shells
00:07:54amiconnYeah, but why does escaping not work as expected? Using \! inserts both characters, not just !
00:08:07Bagderno, ! is often more magic than so
00:08:13amiconnUsing ! alone makes bash complain about some signal stuff
00:08:56Bagderanother reason to use an editor for commit messages ;-)
00:12:02*preglow hugs vim
00:12:45*bluebrother waits for the emacs guys ...
00:14:05*Bagder holds emacs on a stick in front of preglow
00:14:13*amiconn likes neither
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00:14:32Bagderthat guy also uses windows so we won't listen to him ;-)
00:15:03*bluebrother is required to use windows at work but already came back using vim :)
00:15:49 Nick knitt1 is now known as knittl (n=knittl@
00:15:55*pixelma suggest to at least use windows in walls ;)
00:16:02pixelma*suggests too
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00:20:00saratogahas the emulator guy been around lately?
00:20:07saratogai kind of wanted to talk to him
00:22:20bluebrotherI haven't seen much SoC students around here. Wouldn't it be better if they were more "integrated"?
00:23:15*scorche|sh has mentioned this before
00:24:06bluebrotherhmm, what's best practise regarding copyright info when I'm adding a header file only adding exports? Putting in the original author or myself?
00:24:43saratogawe could schedule GSOC meetings in the channel
00:25:12saratogaobviously not everyone at the same time, but at least mentor and student, and anyone else whos interested
00:25:21saratogaor who reads the logs
00:25:40scorche|shsaratoga: i would be happy even with weekly mails and more updates on wiki pages
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00:29:07saratogai'd prefer meeting in the channel because it allows other people to ask questions and give feedback
00:29:35scorche|shright..i was giving an "at least" sort of comment
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00:39:44*shotofadds has some 'quality control' issues to work through, but will aim to do a commit and "Gentlemen..." email in the next couple of days.
00:39:46shotofaddsnight all.
00:40:54ut2004playerso what is this 'rockbox'?
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00:42:14ut2004playernvm... found link:
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00:44:03ut2004playerit does not seem to support psp?
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00:47:09bluebrotherno, it does not.
00:47:21*preglow sees shotofadds too late
00:49:36ut2004playerwell, thats lame. :/
00:50:01ut2004playerno use for me then, laters.
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01:25:36preglowmy sd card powered on!
01:25:52*preglow hits head
01:26:38saratogahow long have you been working on that
01:26:51preglownot as long as it seems, i've had a pretty long rockbox break now
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01:28:20pixelmanice D2 progress this evening, congrats! :)
01:28:25preglowlong break from computers in general, actually
01:28:50preglowpixelma: well, don't congrat too soon, i'll probably run into more trouble :)
01:28:59preglowbut i'll try to read some data from the sd card tomorrow, or at least in not long
01:29:31pixelmaheh, but one step in the right direction
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01:29:47preglowhaving the card reporting it's actually powering up is kind of significant, yeah :)
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01:31:16preglowshotofadds: for the logs, gpioc pin 24 was indeed the key, it needs to be low for the card to power up properly
01:31:43preglowgod knows why, but there it is
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01:35:53PRINCESS_FLUFFYay, my 8 gig SDHC card worked perfectly with a Sansa e200 8 gig
01:36:05PRINCESS_FLUFFAnd I paid only 40$ for it
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01:48:20adamgolding"this is a macpod, rockbox doesn't work on this. Convert it to winpod" how?
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01:48:34Galoisreformat the drive?
01:48:40scorche|shGalois: more than that
01:48:45wpy1there is a page on the wik
01:48:47scorche|shadamgolding: what operating system do you run?
01:50:47adamgoldingvist32 ultimate
01:50:59scorche|shadamgolding: then "restore" in itunes if you can
01:51:12adamgoldingohi've never used itunes with it, lol
01:51:56scorche|shalternatively, you can search for the conversion wiki page
01:52:13adamgoldingi dont' see an option for that in itunes
01:53:00saratogai'm sure iTunes has a help menu
01:53:13adamgoldinghmm now my ipod just says 'do not disconnect' constantly despite all ipod realted progs being closed
01:53:23scorche|shi have never used itunes, so i couldnt tell you where it would be...use the help menu or google
01:53:31scorche|shkeep in mind this will wipe the drive
01:54:49adamgoldingnp, new ipod
01:55:28wpy1Buschel: since the 5G is slow, yes I think it needs to be boosted too.
01:55:50wpy1Buschel: I've just tried boosting the CPU, and the GUI is very fast now with the boost :) so I think it's needed here.
01:56:40wpy1Buschel: Also, I've tried running the bubbles game. normally, it's very slow on the 5.5G. but with the CPU boost I'm able to run it smoothly.
01:56:56wpy1Buschel: the way I did it was manually boost the CPU :p
01:57:56wpy1Buschel: and I think it would be better to have multiple steps. like maybe 24 MHz -> 50 MHz -> 80 MHz. this way we can/may be able to achieve some kind of balance (if it's possible at all to have multiple frequency steps)
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01:58:40wpyhBuschel: by the way, I don't know why my nick became wpy1... but you know it's me (just noticed now and changed it)
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02:01:49saratogawpyh: the only speeds allowed are idle, normal and boosted, so having multiple steps is out
02:02:09wpyhsaratoga: what's the difference between idle and normal?
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02:02:41saratogano idea
02:02:59saratogapresumably its less then 30MHz though
02:03:05Llorean24mhz I think
02:03:21LloreanSlower on the Coldfire targets, iirc.
02:03:41wpyhwell, so Buschel patch would make idle == normal?
02:03:57LloreanSpeaking of that
02:04:16LloreanI do wonder how the WPS scrolling looks at 24mhz.
02:04:20saratogaidle should probably be lowered if its 24MHz
02:04:36Lloreansaratoga: I think there's a reason it's 24mhz, but I'm not sure what it is.
02:05:20wpyhbtw, is the allowed speeds being idle, normal and boosted limitation being a hardware limitation or rockbox?
02:05:26LloreanRegarding the 24mhz unboosted speed, even when boosting during UI use, I'm concerned that it'll be visible when the CPU boosts/unboosts with WPS scrolling, alternating sublines, etc.
02:05:36Lloreanwpyh: Rockbox design choice.
02:05:57wpyhwell, then can I suggest a more flexible design of multiple steps?
02:06:13saratogawhat use would that be?
02:06:37wpyhso that we can boost the CPU and get the necessary speed, but without wasting too much power
02:06:44saratogaIIRC we can clock the PP chips at 16MHz now, I think Buschel actually posted flac benchmarks doing that
02:07:01Lloreanwpyh: Uhm... if you boost faster, you spend less time boosted, so you don't actually waste more power boosting to 80mhz than you would, say, at 60
02:07:02wpyhthe boost counter would act as the variable/parameter
02:07:28wpyhLlorean: that's for purely cpu-dependent audio playback IMO
02:07:41LloreanWhich is one of the few places boosting is really used...
02:07:42wpyhfor scrolling, we can boost just to 50MHz for example
02:08:00saratogawpyh: thats not worth it, compared to back light, boost uses no power at all
02:08:00LloreanOr for scrolling we can have an "unboosted" speed adequate for it.
02:08:13wpyhLlorean: then for plugins?
02:08:28LloreanPlugins that boost also do so for good reason
02:08:56LloreanIn them, you'll have the backlight on, draining vastly more power than being boosted does, as saratoga has pointed out
02:08:59wpyhsaratoga: you mean the cpu boost uses less delta power than lcd?
02:09:06LloreanBacklight is not LCD
02:09:15wpyhuh, yeah I mean backlight, sorry
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02:09:20saratogawpyh: you kidding?
02:09:20LloreanIt's an important difference.
02:09:46wpyhyeah... I'm used to refer to lcd and backlight as one thing
02:09:50saratogayes lights use order of magnitude more power then boosting a CPU
02:09:52wpyhneed to pay more attention ;)
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02:10:13wpyhwell in that case it's not worth it then, sorry
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02:10:29wpyhmaybe someone would find this idea useful though,
02:10:36wpyhbut let's save it for another time
02:10:59wpyh(the idea is to select the boosted speed based on the boost counter)
02:11:10saratogayes we know you've said so a few times
02:11:45saratogaLlorean: anyway, I would like to eventually lower the core clock speed, so having some sort of gui boosting would be nice
02:11:50LloreanThe boost counter is meaningless relative to the total amount of speed needed anyway
02:12:21saratogai think if properly implemented it would save power for many users and improve responsiveness at no real cost
02:12:30Lloreanboost: 1 can mean "the CPU can barely, barely keep up because we're decoding .APE here" while boost: 3 can mean "I'm playing jewels, buffering, and the PCM buffer got ever so slightly low while playing FLAC"
02:12:32saratogaof course "properly implemented" is the tricky part
02:12:38wpyhsaratoga: but that is in effect having multiple speeds...
02:12:58saratogawpyh: yes multiple as in 2 speeds
02:13:09wpyhLlorean: in that case, the APE codec should try to up the boost counter by 3
02:13:15wpyhthat's what I mean ;)
02:13:23Lloreansaratoga: My concern with regard to lowering the normal speed, as I said, is WPS when the user is not interacting. Scrolling, alternating sublines, peakmeters, etc, all need to be just as responsive whether the CPU is boosted or not, so there needs to be enough speed there to keep them updating (in my opinion)
02:13:28saratogayes and what we mean is thats not how it works
02:13:32wpyhsaratoga: well... might as well use the multiple boost...
02:13:45*wpyh needs to study boost_counter
02:13:58saratogayou could just read Lloreans explination of how it works
02:14:05Lloreanwpyh: That would be ridiculous to keep track of. As optimizations go in for the codec, as the UI gets faster and slower, etc, etc, it would be impossible to keep track of how many boost counts any given situation appropriately needs.
02:14:58saratogaLLorean: on many PP targets if the back light is off the screen doesn't need to be updated
02:15:16saratogaactually its pretty much all PP targets except the Ipods I think
02:15:30wpyhwell, I'm reading it now but I still don't quite understand
02:15:40Lloreansaratoga: Well, that's H10 and e200, c200 and M;robe that don't then
02:15:56LloreanWhile iPod 1G, 2G, 3G, 4G, Video, Nano, Mini 1G and Mini 2G all can be seen without backlight.
02:16:21*wpyh would hate the wps to freeze on his ipod video if the backlight is off
02:16:36saratogaI don't think the WPS would freeze at 24MHz
02:16:39Lloreanwpyh: I doubt it'd freeze, and in fact it probably wouldn't be noticeable for many WPSes
02:16:44wpyhok, grepping the source (and reading system.c), I found out that boost is controlled by calling cpu_boost()
02:16:59saratogaits mostly just menus that are sensitive to clock speed right?
02:17:02wpyhLlorean: what I mean is not updating the screen while the backlight is off :p
02:17:04Lloreansaratoga: I'm not against GUI boosting, in fact I like the idea. I just think it needs to be tuned somehow so WPS updates get enough priority.
02:17:29wpyhLlorean: then up the priority for the wps or... use multiple boost levels ;)
02:17:51Lloreanwpyh: Please shut up about the idea. Neither of the two of us like it, and we don't need you to continue pitching it at us.
02:17:52wpyhso for example, the APE codec would run cpu_boost(true);cpu_boost(true);cpu_boost(true);
02:18:08saratogawpyh: how about you go away
02:18:15Lloreansaratoga: Mainly menus, yes.
02:18:17*wpyh puts on his flameproof suit
02:18:41wpyhwell, ok, I'll go away for now
02:18:51wpyhmaybe my idea was not so good, so I'll rethink it
02:18:52saratogaand menus only matter if the buttons are in use
02:19:06saratogaso some sort of GUI boosting should be possible
02:19:44LloreanThough I've never seen peakmeters on a 5G
02:19:47saratogacompared to back light boosting is pretty cheap, so even a long boost time out would probably be more then compensated for by the lower core clock speed, particularly if we ever get faster codecs
02:20:04LloreanWell for menus, the boost timeout can be very, very quick
02:20:15Lloreanboost when a button is pressed, unboost if nothing has been pressed for half a second.
02:20:22saratogapeakmeters don't lag at all on the e200 at 30MHz, but it also has a very fast screen so I don't know
02:20:27LloreanIt's not like there's any reason to keep it boosted when the UI isn't moving.
02:20:41saratogathats true
02:21:02LloreanMy original thought was that it can be tied to the backlight, but that's not suited for blind users. And there's no reason to make it wait even that long.
02:21:35saratogado blind users need GUI boosting ?
02:21:46saratogaI have no idea how CPU intensive the voice interface is
02:21:54LloreanWell, but they still need to scroll long lists.
02:22:09LloreanAnd whether the screen is being looked at or not, if scrolling is laggy it's laggy.
02:23:00saratogais lag noticable though if you have to wait for the UI to speak anyway? (i've never used voice)
02:23:42saratogaI guess it depends if the voice is in synch with gui updates
02:23:44LloreanI don't know, honestly. I don't have a suitably laggy target.
02:24:01LloreanBut I imagine if you're scrolling a long list, you'll just be listening to fractions of noises
02:24:16saratogayeah i kind of want to try a 5G, the e200 is quite quick
02:24:37LloreanThe faster you can interrupt, skip a few, and hear a syllable, the better.
02:24:43saratogaah i see
02:24:47LloreanAt least in my mind.
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02:25:13saratogaregardless i think you're right that it doesn't make sense to sync it to the back light anyway on a lot of targets
02:26:32LloreanI wonder how much the WPS itself can be optimized.
02:26:47LloreanWeren't there significant differences in battery time if players were left in the menu instead of the WPS?
02:26:53saratogayes there were
02:27:05saratogai think Buschel said on the 5G the WPS screen used something like 2MHz
02:27:28LloreanAnd WPS optimization would benefit every codec at once.
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02:27:58saratogatrue, though saving a 1MHz (optimistically) is not going to make a big difference
02:28:29saratogaI suppose the most obvious thing to do would be to update the WPS less frequently if the back light is off
02:29:10saratogaactually i never really understood why the WPS used so much CPU time
02:29:31saratogais it just continually redrawing a couple times a second even if nothing changes?
02:29:37LloreanWithout scrolling lines and a peakmeter, it should only update once per second, right?
02:29:40LloreanAnd even then, only partially?
02:30:00saratogai think so, though i don't know how any of this works
02:30:37LloreanYou were working on getting profiling working again, weren't you?
02:30:48saratogai spent a while on it but eventually gave up
02:30:53LloreanAh wel
02:30:58saratogai don't really understand how the process works
02:31:10saratogaso it ended up being easier just commenting out functions and taking a before/after benchmark
02:31:22LloreanIt was lostlogic who put it together initially?
02:31:34saratogai don't know where it came from
02:31:52wpyhBuschel: regarding my idea about testing playback with one single song to eliminate disk issues / pio mode / etc
02:32:16saratogaeventually I want to ask the emulator guy if he can send me an arm VM with linux or something on it, then I can make a Rockbox as An App and hopefully profile that way
02:33:57wpyhBuschel: if now we use an mp3 file big enough to fill almost the entire buffer (like maybe 50MB on the 80GB model with 64MB RAM), will it read the song part by part from the disk and use the maximum available memory to buffer the pcm, or will it buffer the file and decode every time?
02:34:25wpyhBuschel: for RB I think it will buffer the file and decode every time right?
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02:34:44saratogathe PCM buffer is pretty small
02:34:54LloreanThere's no sense wasting a lot of space on PCM buffer.
02:34:55saratogait has to be since PCM is so huge
02:37:28LloreanThough I do think it still rebuffers ever time, which is no good.
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02:43:22wpyhI guess that's the case
02:43:40wpyhsince reading from disk takes a long time and uses much power
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02:44:06wpyhwell, in that case I think I can proceed with that idea
02:44:22wpyhthis will eliminate disk activity from the final runtime
02:44:37wpyhuh, not entirely eliminate, but at least minimize it
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02:52:15wpyhone other thing: when comparing between the OF and RB, should I use the Database in RB?
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02:52:26adskljhmm i'm kind of worried, the rockbock utility has been 'not responding' for 10 minutes
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02:58:00wpyhand here is a weird thing: when starting to play a file (17 MB 320kbps mp3), there is disk activity for ~ 15 seconds. does this mean that the read speed of the disk (CF card) is 1 MB/s?
02:58:12wpyhI mean, could it be that slow?
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03:04:08wpyhBuschel: also, do you know how the volume level is calibrated? A -30dB setting on my Video is equivalent to A -35dB setting on my Nano
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03:08:17wastrelis there file management on the device? deleting files?
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03:10:07Lloreanwastrel: This is covered in the manual
03:10:43Lloreanwpyh: Volume is hardware dependent, it's handled by the codec chip.
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04:11:54wpyhUnixnut: I don't see a success or failure in the irc logs
04:12:16wpyhUnixnut: please post your results here so we know what's the issue. Thanks :)
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04:24:02adamgoldingis there a way to do sync with rockbox?
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04:45:06B-Dawk20hey I'm having some issues with the iTunesDBtoTagCache program
04:45:22B-Dawk20I am just really confused about the whole process and I don't know what I'm doing wrong
04:48:21B-Dawk20guess nobody is here...
04:49:19advcomp2019B-Dawk20, just hold on
04:49:29B-Dawk20oh ok thank you
04:50:41advcomp2019not everyone is at their computers or awake right now
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04:51:26B-Dawk20I guess that is true. I just figured someone might be here since it is a bigger irc channel(tho I've seen much bigger).
04:54:11krazykitB-Dawk20, you don't need that program. rockbox generates its own database, assuming your metadata is correct.
04:54:40B-Dawk20Well see here is my issue
04:54:45B-Dawk20that part isn't working
04:55:15B-Dawk20It trys to initilize, then asks to reboot. I reboot and then it tells me to do it again
04:55:40B-Dawk20I have a thread up and I'd figure I would try this until I get some more responses
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04:56:12B-Dawk20When I tried this, I just seemed to fail at even following the directions
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05:07:37adamgoldingkrazykit how does one sync files with the rockbox device?
05:07:45adamgoldingi.e. have it automatically sync when plugging in the device?
05:08:36krazykitadamgolding, depends on how you set it up. rockbox devices just show up as mass storage devices. you can sync it how you want
05:09:04adamgoldingok but i imagine most file sync programs won't notice when the device is connected and do it automatically
05:09:23krazykitnot really a rockbox issue.
05:11:02adamgoldinghrm, so rockbox has no particular functional built-in for this?
05:11:22adamgoldingand the rockbox database isn't set to interact with otehrs, say the foobar2000 database etc?
05:11:49krazykitalso no.
05:11:56adamgoldingok, just checking.
05:12:22adamgoldingnevertheless, i imagine some rockbox users have already found some convienient solutions for this. how do you do it? just move everything manually in explorer?
05:13:04krazykiti use rsync in linux. i wouldn't know what windows people use.
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05:14:30adamgoldingk thanks for the info
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05:18:33B-Dawk20Ok since I found out why this itunesdbtotagcache isn't working I'll change my focus to the database issue im having.
05:19:23B-Dawk20When I build the database from the ipod itself and it asks me to reboot, it starts by committing 1/9 then from there it stops and then tells me to do the whole thing again
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05:19:48B-Dawk20I'm then left with some temporary tcg file that I can't do a thing with.
05:23:11B-Dawk20at this point(about 6 hours with rockbox) I'm just tempted to use ephpod and rip all my music from my ipod then just put it in a random folder in the root and go from there
05:23:40B-Dawk20I wanna use rockbox badly....but this issue is just too frustrating to get past ~_~
05:23:59krazykitB-Dawk20, it might be choking on one of your files. you could put half of them on your DAP, see if you can initialize the database, if you can, put on the other half. then do half of that, continue til you find the file
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05:25:06krazykitdigital audio player
05:25:11krazykitipod. whatever.
05:25:19B-Dawk20oh lol just wiki'd
05:25:34B-Dawk20Hmm that is a lot of files...
05:25:44B-Dawk20oh well.
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05:45:10B-Dawk20Ok so here is my plan. I'm going to copy about 4GB of space on my ipod and send it to my hard drive. I'll delete that stuff from my ipod, then copy all the info left onto a directory on my ipod
05:45:39B-Dawk20From there, I will delete all the stuff from the itunes directory and I'll never need to initialize again
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05:46:02B-Dawk20oh and bring back the stuff from the hard drive as well
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06:03:01adamgoldingi've got an ipod 80gb. is there a way to have rockbox keep playing music when i plug it in to charge?
06:03:03ShaidB-Dawk20: are you on a windows xp?
06:03:18Shaidadamgolding: hold down menu as you plug the cable in.
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06:22:31adamgoldingwhen i hold the menu button down when pluggin in the cable, windows complains that it can't find the driver and it doesn't show up in explorer. is it not possible to add musci while listening to the ipod?
06:23:19Shaidnot at this stage.
06:23:38krazykitrockbox has not USB mode for ipods, and that won't be possible regardless
06:23:52krazykityou can't have 2 things accessing the disk like that
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06:34:12sgfsdfgsdfg"itunes has detected an ipod in recovery mode"
06:34:29sgfsdfgsdfg"you msut restore this ipod before it can be used with itunes"
06:34:45sgfsdfgsdfgi tunes wasn't even open and it opened itself and says this each time
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06:37:11[1]cool_walking_adamgolding, iTunes has a service that runs in the background.
06:38:07[1]cool_walking_What's the problem? Is your iPod not in recovery mode?
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07:24:09hfsplusHi, I'm getting an error 'can't load rockbox.ipod file not found'. I just installed rockbox using the rbutil
07:24:13hfsplushow do I fix this?
07:25:04krazykithfsplus, sounds like you installed only the bootloader.
07:25:23hfspluswell, I hit install all
07:25:29hfsplushm, so d/l and install the
07:26:00krazykityou could. check your ipod's root directory for a .rockbox directory containing rockbox.ipod
07:26:41hfsplusahh fixedx
07:26:45hfsplusthat was very odd
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07:29:55hfsplusthanks krazykit
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07:54:41Buschelwpyh/saratoga/Llorean: about your clocking discussion last night -> setting normal clock to 24MHz isn't that bad for WPS with scrolling etc. Main issue i have on my 5G is sluggishness when scrolling in menus and folders.
07:56:18Buschelthis can be solved via the "gui-boost" on button activity. but the gui-boost solution is not elegant when you are using games for example. the cpu will boost/unboost on each button activity −− wil get quite jumpy :-)
07:56:40Buschelmaybe the gui-boost should only be active when browsing in menus and/or folders...
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07:59:05Buscheli could clearly see issues with WPS-scrolling when using normal clocks @12 or @15MHz
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08:01:01Buschelto sum it up: changing normal clock from 30->24MHz shouldn't visibly affect gui on most targets (except 5G). but the change will bring ~2mA possible savings for flac/mpc.
08:01:30Buschelfor the 5G there needs to be solution found which can boost the CPU while browising
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08:02:18Buschelthe gui-boost in FS #8668 is just a first attempt
08:02:26SlasheriB-Dawk20: please check if your filesystem is corrupt
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08:11:22amiconnBuschel: What's needed is proper optimisation of mono bitmap drawing in the 16 bit lcd driver
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08:14:02Buschelamiconn: when checking the LCDFrameRate page i can see that all targets (excpet 5G) have quite good framerates even @24MHz
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08:17:37amiconn30 fps isn't that bad
08:18:34Buschelamiconn: but the ui feels sluggish (menu + folder browsing) −− maybe there's another reason...
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08:18:43amiconnAnd the mono bitmap drawing is a known problem: Try to scroll 2 large folders, one containing files with short filenames, one containing files with very long filenames (preferably covering the complete line)
08:19:09amiconnSee the difference? That can't be caused by the refresh, because the refresh is the same in both cases
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08:20:00amiconnIt's just that I (still) didn't start optimising because doing it properly also needs a performance test plugin, which I've been too lazy to write so far :/
08:20:50Buschelamiconn: i'll check with short and long filenames. so, the mono bitmap drawing does the drawing of the text lines?
08:21:57amiconnYes. Every glyph is a mono bitmap
08:22:31Buscheland the high resolution of the display and the use of smaller fonts (on 5G) slow the ui down that much...
08:22:36amiconnThis does in fact affect all colour targets, it's just most visible on G5 because of the combination of a large lcd with relatively slow cpu
08:22:53Buschelok, understood
08:23:18amiconnI still suspect that an optimisation done by the early gigabeat f/x porters slows things down... but that needs the test plugin as well
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08:24:18Buschelso, if this drawing could be optimized, changing the normal clock to somewhere <30MHz could be working well?
08:27:25Buschelgotta go to work, see you
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08:42:13FuriousGeorgethis may be the coolest open source project since linux
08:43:47LinusNFuriousGeorge: even cooler :-)
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08:48:18GodEaterso how many years before our code base is as large as linux's ? ;)
08:50:37B-Dawk20Oh and thanks for everyone who tried to help and no, nothing was corrupt or wrong about my ipod. I back up almost all my music so I decided to delete it all, and just do the copy/paste method so I never have this database issue
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09:50:22mihaicapotaHello! I just registered on the wiki as MihaiC and I'd like to upload an FM presets list for my city, Bucharest
09:51:33GodEatermihaicapota: unfortunately you appear to have missed the naming convention we ask people to use on the Wiki
09:52:20GodEaterCould you check it again, and perhaps re-register with your name in the right format? And then someone here can grant you write permissions...
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10:01:37mihaicapotaI tried to register with my name, Mihai Capotă, which I use on Wikipedia and other places, but because of the diacritic letter I got an error.
10:01:37mihaicapotaI missread the error message and registered with the single letter last name
10:01:37mihaicapotaAs I can't use my full last name, what do you suggest I should do?
10:02:01LinusNHow about "Mihai Capota"?
10:03:08mihaicapotaIt's true that I use mihaicapota as a nickname, but that's not my last name.
10:05:56peturclose enough?
10:06:20*GodEater is somewhat surprised twiki chokes on this character
10:06:47mihaicapotaclose, but no cigar
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10:22:03LinusNthere is a patch that makes twiki handle diacritics better, but as a short-term solution, i suggest you register with your full name, but set the wikiname to MihaiCapota
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10:22:28markunwe can rename it later after a twiki upgrade
10:22:52markun(or at least LinusN can)
10:22:55mihaicapotaok, that works for me
10:25:29mihaicapotaI registered as MihaiCapota
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10:26:58markunmihaicapota: ok, you should have write permission now
10:28:05markunsorry for all the trouble, but we had some problems in the past with bots spaming our wiki
10:28:58mihaicapotano trouble, but you should upgrade the wiki to allow unicode names
10:29:48markunwe need that anyway for all the chinese people who join after the meizu port ;)
10:30:21gevaertsYes. That's why we're not working hard on the meizu port right now
10:30:42*gevaerts finally found an excuse ;)
10:31:31markungevaerts: I hope we can make a least a little progress during devcon..
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10:33:29gevaertsmarkun: we can at least try :)
10:34:05peturafter the h300 bootloader debugging... ;)
10:34:45*gevaerts guesses that these actually involve different people
10:35:19peturprobably.... I'd really like jhMikeS to be there...
10:36:04markunwould be nice to meet in person anyway
10:38:11hfsplusCan Rockbox play ogg theora video, or only mpeg?
10:38:15mihaicapotaI uploaded the preset for Bucharest
10:38:27LinusNmihaicapota: thanks!
10:38:33GodEaterhfsplus: only mpeg1 and mpeg2
10:38:47*LinusN has built a TBLCF BDM adapter
10:38:48hfsplusAhh curses.
10:39:04*hfsplus wants a pmp that can do ogg theora video
10:39:24*gevaerts hands hfsplus a compiler and the theora specs
10:39:27GodEaterhfsplus: our wiki page on the mpegplayer plugin has a decent guide on how to transcode though
10:39:44hfsplusgevaerts: lol
10:39:54hfsplusGodEater: allrighty, I shall check it out.
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10:53:18mihaicapotaI found another unicode-related problem with the wiki.
10:53:19mihaicapotaFirst I uploaded a file named București.fmr (that is the Romanian name) and it appeared as Bucure#537ti.fmr; I then uploaded Bucharest.fmr which is now on the presets page.
10:53:19mihaicapotaHowever, I can't delete the first attachment: "During move of attachment Bucure to . an error was found. Please notify your TWiki administrator. Attachment does not exist". It seems that the wiki truncates the name to "Bucure".
10:53:19DBUGEnqueued KICK mihaicapota
10:53:19mihaicapotaI'm sure there's not much you can do about it, but I thought you should no nevertheless as I see there are other non-ASCII file names. For example, the following link isn't working
10:54:39pixelmahmm... works for me
10:55:52pixelmabut maybe because the website is in latin-1 for me
10:57:19mihaicapotaI tried Firefox, Opera and wget.
10:57:19peturnot working here....
10:58:48pixelmaas a test you could try changing the encoding settings in e.g. Firefox to "Western (ISO-8859-1)"
10:59:11peturit already is
11:00:06mihaicapotaIt's also "Western (ISO-8859-1)" here
11:00:15peturmust be the irc client
11:00:23peturie the encoding of the url
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11:00:54pixelmawell, I tried the link from the page not from the IRC client
11:01:03gevaertsN%C3%BCrnberg looks like encoded utf8 that was misparsed as latin1 to me
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11:02:07peturyes, the errormessage ff gives me is utf
11:02:58gevaertsI can't open it from the wiki page either (I tried bith utf8 and latin1)
11:03:22pixelmabesides - the naming of the file is a bit stupid because it's saying Nuremberg twice...
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11:59:08VoltageXwhat is required to start a new rockbox port?
11:59:26preglowskill and time
11:59:32B4gderand a target
11:59:34VoltageXtime I have
11:59:39VoltageXskills I don't
11:59:43VoltageXtargets I have
12:00:05VoltageXwould 2 or more iRiver E100s supplied to developers help?
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12:00:30B4gderI doubt it
12:00:36VoltageXwell damn.
12:00:43B4gderwe have a large amount of ports in the queue already
12:00:52VoltageXI can wait
12:01:02gevaertsMost developers already have their personal stash of players that they want a port for
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12:01:13*preglow looks at his d2
12:01:27gevaertsSo new devices often require (and get) new developers
12:01:31VoltageXok, wonder how many years it would take me to develop the skills to port -_-
12:01:55B4gderVoltageX: others have taken that path and done good work
12:01:58gevaertsDepends on what "no skills" means in your case
12:02:11GodEaterand depends on how much of your time you want to devote to it
12:02:15VoltageXgevaerts: basic C
12:02:33VoltageXGodEater: I really really really want to learn C, so that part isn't too bad
12:03:09VoltageXand I guess I'd need some amazing skills to write a bootloader...
12:04:37VoltageXbut at least the target is nice and cheap - $90AUD
12:04:57*MTee wants to know the answer to VoltageX's question
12:05:16VoltageXMTee which question?
12:05:53MTeeabout the time needed to be able to port
12:05:54gevaertsStart by reading the NewPort page that PaulJam linked to. There is a lot to be done before even thinking about the bootloader
12:06:12VoltageXgevaerts: yeah but that part scares me the most :P
12:07:14gevaertsVoltageX: the bits about disassembling are usually the scary parts. There are real risks there
12:07:29GodEaterMTee: there isn't an answer to that question - it's not quantifiable.
12:07:50VoltageXgevaerts: I'll be buying 2 of these units
12:08:30VoltageXthe one I have now is precious
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12:09:05gevaertsSpeaking of new ports, shouldn't some of the newer sansa ports be moved from 'Pre-Development Ports' to ' New Ports' on the TargetStatus page ? They now have running code
12:09:21*preglow wonders if a multiple backend ata driver belongs in target/ or firmware/
12:10:15preglowi need one for d2, sd and internal flash :/
12:10:54gevaertsGood :)
12:11:29*gevaerts thinks that ata needs a bit more abstraction, so someone needing that is good news
12:11:30preglowany ideas on where it belongs, though? such a thing might be needed for other targets, and can be reused if not placed in target/(
12:12:32preglowbut i haven't given it too much thought, really. currently i'm just thinking of making ata_* wrappers that call whatever it's supposed to, depending on the drive argument
12:12:38gevaertsI'd say in firmware/, and go for maximum reuse
12:12:40preglowprobably using ifdefs
12:13:31gevaertsIf at some point we get working usb host, we will need an even more advanced version of this for mass storage
12:13:44preglowi might also go for a table based approach, though, for less messy ifdefs, but more code size
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12:14:42VoltageXmy second h300 died too....... :(
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12:18:12VoltageXah, problem 1 with a potential E100 port. Moulded case, no visible screws
12:19:10*gevaerts resists the "then you're screwed" reply
12:19:40VoltageXflat head screwdriver should work
12:19:47VoltageXbut not til i get a second unit :P
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12:20:55preglowgevaerts: i don't know if it makes sense to abstract ata further for targets with simple ata handling, though, so i don't think we should abstract things too much for everything
12:21:15preglowgevaerts: for know i'll just make a firmware/drivers/ata_wrapper.c. ideas on how to deal with things are welcome
12:22:58gevaertspreglow: a wrapper that just calls one function on single-disk targets (doable with some #ifdefs in there) that's inlineable should (I hope) optimize out to nothing.
12:23:33preglowgevaerts: oh, sure, if i implement it as a header, but that wouldn't work too nicely with function pointers, would it?
12:23:46gevaertsIt would require a global refactoring of all ata_* users (or drivers) though, since you really need to call the wrapper
12:24:27preglowcan't say i'm too keen on that right now...
12:25:03preglowwould be nice if we stopped assuming we're always using ata, though
12:25:19gevaertsIf you don't, your drivers will need non-standard function names, so they can'tr be reused "normally" later
12:26:38*gevaerts votes to put it on the devcon agenda
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12:27:16preglowalright, in which case i'll make a d2 specific bugger right now :>
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12:29:29susafderi qm considering rockbox for my sansa e260 how easy will it be to add a function delete file whenever i listen to a file i do not like
12:30:13gevaertsDeleting a file in rockbox while you're listening to it requires about three keypresses I think
12:30:45susafderbut can i edit the source of rockbox easyly
12:31:00susafderto change that
12:31:14susafderwhat language is been used
12:31:37pixelmawhy change?
12:31:37susafderdoes the firmware then compiles with gcc
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12:31:45preglowyes, we use gcc
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12:34:14susafderexcelent I want to change to be sure it dfits my need . I am one handed multiples keystroke while holding the player in the hand is sometimes difficult
12:35:00preglowdepends on the player you have, i guess, using my h120 one-handed is quite simple
12:36:48susafderi should be getting an e260 sansa . but now i am checking It will be able to do the hacks first
12:38:40susafderwell thanks for the information it looks like this is the right way to go for me
12:39:23gevaertsIf you get an e260, make sure it's a v1
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15:18:04DavizzleHi Folks
15:18:14Davizzleah here we are :)
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15:19:18DavizzleCan somebody pls help me ? I have a color problem after updating my ipod photo 20gb
15:19:33Davizzleit is like in the thread " Ipod photo 40gb has bad resolution, all the colours are wrong"
15:19:47Davizzlebut i dont understand what to do
15:19:47LambdaCalculus37What SVN revision are you running? Go to System > Rockbox Info.
15:20:23Davizzleat first i had the newest release, but had minor bugs. So i tried the stable version (not daily) and now both versions give me that ugly color bug :(
15:20:45Davizzlekk one sec
15:21:17Davizzledo you mean r17734 ?
15:21:38Davizzlethis was the version that worked for me after the first installation, but had those minor bugs. So i went to the 32
15:21:52Davizzlegot the color prog. And now it is in both versions
15:22:03LambdaCalculus37Okay, now do the following... from the root menu: System > Debug > View HW info.
15:22:28LambdaCalculus37What do the fields HW rev and LCD type say?
15:22:52Davizzlehw is 0x00060000
15:22:58Davizzleand lcd is 0
15:23:37LambdaCalculus37Okay, I have a partial fix already for the LCD, but my HW rev is 0x00060004.
15:23:52Davizzlewhat does that mean ?
15:24:12LambdaCalculus37I have a slightly different hardware revision of 4G iPod color.
15:24:19Davizzleand how is it possible that after the first installation everything is working. and now not even after the 100000 installation :D
15:25:10LambdaCalculus37Because some other people with similar hardware have had issues (as you saw on the forum thread mentioned), and we had some code added from iPodLinux that was supposed to fix the issue, but ended up breaking something else.
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15:25:49LambdaCalculus37The last SVN build that has no issues of any sort is r17714. You can download that here:
15:25:56LambdaCalculus37And hang onto the zip file for it.
15:26:14Davizzleso just delete the folder .rockbox and copy the new one ?
15:26:37LambdaCalculus37No need. Just unzip into the root of your iPod and let it overwrite it.
15:26:44Davizzlek i try
15:28:55Davizzleah seems to work :)
15:28:58Davizzlethank you
15:29:11Davizzlewhat if i try to update now to the newest version ?
15:29:21Davizzlewouldnt help i guess
15:29:26LambdaCalculus37It'll corrupt the bitmaps again.
15:30:03LambdaCalculus37Until I can make sure that the fix I have doesn't break other iPod color HW revisions, I can't exactly post a patch.
15:30:23LambdaCalculus37Unless you're willing to help test the patch.
15:31:33Davizzlethis works how exactly ? im really not good in programming and stuff
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15:32:23MarcGuayHowdy y'all. How many different versions of the m200 are there? And LambdaCalculus37: What was the way into USB boot mode again?
15:32:42LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: Howdy! Four revisions of the hardware, as far as I know.
15:32:55LambdaCalculus37V1 and V2 are NAND, V3 is HARP, and V4 is AMS-based.
15:33:03MarcGuayLambdaCalculus37: And I thought the v1/v2 thing was a bit much. Damn.
15:33:37MarcGuaySaw one for sale locally and am wondering if I could do anything useful with it.
15:33:54LambdaCalculus37Davizzle: I don't have my laptop with me today, so I can't compile a build for you right now. But can you come into the IRC channel once in a while to see if I'm here?
15:34:12LambdaCalculus37When I can get a little chance, I'll compile a build for you and have you just copy it to your iPod and test it.
15:36:44Davizzleyeah of course
15:37:14Davizzleif you want you can email me 2
15:37:16LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: An m200? Sure, grab it. :)
15:37:30LambdaCalculus37Davizzle: I prefer that things are done here in IRC. :)
15:37:58LambdaCalculus37Because the channel is logged so the devs can keep up with development-related tasks (which is what this channel's all about).
15:38:40LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: On the m200's, a little violence is required to get into USB boot mode. Basically you have to open it up and take the NAND daughterboard off the mainboard, then plug it into your PC.
15:39:04LambdaCalculus37The LCD doesn't show anything, but running dmesg will reveal a device has been connected; that's USB boot mode.
15:39:29LambdaCalculus37And tcctool should find the device and allow you to upload code.
15:39:29*LambdaCalculus37 takes a breath... whew!
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15:40:05Davizzlekkkk i think i should get an irc client
15:40:25LambdaCalculus37Davizzle: Google for Mibbit. It's an excellent web-based IRC client.
15:41:38MarcGuayLambdaCalculus37: That's only for the telechips/V1's, right?
15:42:18LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: V1 and V2. It *may* work on the V3 and V4, but for the V3, I have to wait until I get shotofadds' m230.
15:42:43LambdaCalculus37And I sent him my v1 m240 so he can have a look at how to get a NAND driver working.
15:42:54Davizzlea one last question. In the newest build i had a rockbox default theme. very nice with nice icons
15:43:02Davizzlehow can i get them into that build here ?
15:43:46LambdaCalculus37It should still be there. Unzipping a new Rockbox build on top of an old one should not overwrite any WPSes, config files, or anything like that. Just the vital system files.
15:43:58LambdaCalculus37You can check your theme settings to find the theme you want to use.
15:44:23Davizzlei did
15:44:37Davizzleall themes have the same style
15:44:44Davizzleone color icons
15:45:24Davizzlei made a color reset
15:45:30Davizzlebut thats 10 installations ago :D
15:46:57LambdaCalculus37Does CabbieV2 display correctly, at least?
15:46:59Davizzleall the wps files gimme the same look :/
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15:47:20Davizzlethe same
15:47:23Davizzleall white
15:47:27Davizzleand same icons
15:47:54LambdaCalculus37Reset your settings, then try again.
15:49:18Davizzleah colored icons
15:49:26Davizzlebut now i cannot change again
15:49:37Davizzleevery wps file gives me the same colored icons
15:50:06PaulJamDavizzle: browse themes, not wps files.
15:51:01Davizzleicons do not change
15:52:02LambdaCalculus37Most themes use the same icons.
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15:54:38Davizzlebut at least it is working again :) thanks alot
15:54:39LambdaCalculus37There are more icon sets here:
15:54:57PaulJami think from the shipped themes only cabbiev2 uses the colured icons. the other themes use the monochrome default icons.
15:55:22LambdaCalculus37PaulJam: Yes, but you can also set the icon sets manually.
15:55:59PaulJamnot from within rockbox. you need to load a .cfg that specifies the iconset
15:56:50GodEaterthat would be "from within rockbox"
15:57:57PaulJamwhat i meant is that you have to create a .cfg previously on the pc unless a cfg is already supplied with the iconset.
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15:59:20PaulJamthere is for example no cfg shipped for the tango_small iconset even though the iconset is included
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16:04:37Davizzl3here we go
16:04:46Davizzl3kk mibbit is on :)
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16:12:02MarcGuayI am the man. Figured out that weird button problem on the c100.
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16:13:26LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: What was the problem?
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16:13:59MarcGuayClarifier: I am the man to myself, to others I'm sure it's child's play. GPIOA_DIR |= 0xC was at the beginning of that key test and for whatever reason, it fixes it up.
16:14:51MarcGuayLambdaCalculus37: There were 2 sets of three buttons each in the GPIOA and I couldn't figure out how to distinguish between them.
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16:19:06LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: Not bad. :)
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16:28:14Genre9mp3Eeer... since when do we support this?:
16:29:15PaulJamGenre9mp3: since ages?
16:29:43Genre9mp3PaulJam: define "ages"
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16:30:17MarcGuayIt's interesting, I'd never heard of it. Big-up to Eddy for going on a documentation binge!
16:30:35Genre9mp3Never heard of it before either
16:32:06gevaertsSince r13656 apparently
16:32:38Davizzl3is it normal that my ipod color charges with the usb cable for ages ?!?!
16:32:50Davizzl3with rockbox on it of course
16:33:01gevaertsOriginally .colors, but .colours since exactly one year now
16:33:32Davizzl3when i disconnect it says 96% full but the 4% now take like 1 hour
16:34:09Davizzl3i am afraid a bit of destroying the battery
16:34:30Genre9mp3gevaerts: thanks
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16:35:09gevaertsDavizzl3: I'm not sure, but on at least some ipods with rockbox charging only uses 100mA, which results in very slow charging. I don't think this actually hurts, but I don't know much about it
16:36:24*Genre9mp3 starts thinking that he doesn't know Rockbox abilities as well as he thought he did :/
16:36:42gevaertsGenre9mp3: svn log helps :)
16:36:49*Davizzl3 thinks that Genre9mp3 should not worry about that ;)
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16:37:31MarcGuayDavizzl3: You're better off using the Apple firmware to chagre, me thinks.
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16:37:49Davizzl3erm yeah kk .. erm... how ?! :D
16:38:06MarcGuayThe same way as before?
16:38:20Davizzl3uninstall rockbox just because of charging ?!?!
16:38:29gevaertsDoesn't it go to disk mode when plugging in ?
16:38:37Genre9mp3gevaerts: I think it's more comfortable for me to just blame the manual! ;)
16:39:05MarcGuaygevaerts: Does on the nano...
16:39:06Davizzl3it goes into a "mode" :D
16:39:40PaulJamDavizzl3: you can dual boot. this schould described in the getting started chapter of the manual.
16:39:53scorche|shGenre9mp3: that was done during DCW2007
16:40:04*Davizzl3 is walking through the manual now
16:40:24Genre9mp3scorche|sh: oh? nice to know, thanks
16:41:02*gevaerts proposes that during DCE2008 the people who did that actually document it in the manual :)
16:41:29scorche| has been an undocumented feature for quite a while...
16:41:30*Genre9mp3 also wonders what happened to GBS support that was started during DCW2007 as well
16:41:32Davizzl3erm PaulJam i cant find the part for dual booting in getting started
16:42:22PaulJamDavizzl3: sorry, it is in quick start
16:42:24Davizzl3ah its erm at "3 Quick start"
16:43:11Genre9mp3ah... no progress as I can see in the tracker... :/
16:43:35Davizzl3lol either its a bug or a bug in rockbox
16:43:42Davizzl3original firmware says fully loaded
16:43:56Davizzl3lets change back to rockbox again
16:44:04*Davizzl3 is changing
16:44:35MarcGuayDavizzl3: How does the apple firmware tell you it's "full"?
16:44:52Davizzl3actually its not telling
16:44:52gevaertsDavizzl3: when you plug in the usb cable while running rockbox, what sort of screen does it show ?
16:44:58Davizzl3its giving me that sign in the battery
16:45:34MarcGuayDavizzl3: So it's possible that 96% to Rockbox is "Full" to the OF?
16:45:44Davizzl3it shows this nice usb cable picture, reboots, and goes to some sort of disk mode which is different from the one i get if i use the "trick" for dual booting and getting into the original firmware
16:46:15Davizzl3ok rockbox OS now shows the battery sign that looks fully loaded and now i plug the usb cable in
16:46:20gevaertsOK. That's the apple ROM diskmode, so if it behaves strangely while charging there, that's actually an Apple bug
16:46:38Davizzl3after plugging in, the battery looses some charge
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16:46:50Davizzl3goes into its mode
16:46:53Davizzl3and its full
16:47:35MarcGuayDavizzl3: I wouldn't worry about a few percent difference in battery reading.
16:47:42Davizzl3now in rockbox the battery icon looks like its not fully loaded
16:48:22Davizzl3how do i know which capacity my battery has
16:48:40Davizzl3i would like trying to set the right one in the settings
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16:50:49MarcGuayDavizzl3: ? You mean the battery capacity setting?
16:50:57Davizzl3yes, sir!
16:51:30MarcGuayDavizzl3: If you've never changed the battery, leave it at the default (or check the Apple website), and if you have changed the battery... Look at the packaging?
16:51:39Davizzl3i never changed
16:51:43Davizzl3it is the original one
16:51:53MarcGuaySo I suppose you should leave it alone?
16:52:01Davizzl3i am not the expert :D
16:52:29MarcGuayI'm being rhetorical as well as covering my ass.
16:52:58MarcGuayIf you're not sure about something, it's usually best to leave it alone, in my humble experience.
16:53:27Davizzl3i actually met murphy today as i tried to "change" something in my running system ...
16:53:45LambdaCalculus37Davizzl3: Oi... stay on topic.
16:53:48MarcGuayHow does the OF tell you the battery is full again?
16:53:49*LambdaCalculus37 points to the topic
16:54:08MarcGuayDavizzl3: By number or by illustration?
16:54:17Davizzl3hey slow slow
16:54:25LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: On the iPods, the battery charge indicator will stop blinking and changes its icon from a lightning bolt to a plug.
16:54:48Davizzl3erm what do you mean by i should stay on topic
16:55:00Davizzl3i am on topic
16:55:23MarcGuaySo if your battery has been used a bit and it's new maximum capacity is 96%, will it still show that it's full when it gets there?
16:55:33LambdaCalculus37Davizzl3: Just a small reminder. Since this channel is logged and is for technical purposes related to Rockbox, we try as hard as we can to not stray off topic.
16:55:34Davizzl3i guess so
16:55:54PaulJambtw, the battery capacity setting is only used to calculate the estimated runtime. so even a wrong setting shouldn't affect rockbox' operation.
16:56:00Davizzl3i understand, but still :) we didnt leave the topic
16:56:16Davizzl3PaulJam: good 2 hear
16:56:21Davizzl3erm ... rad
16:56:40Davizzl3but i dont like "should" and "shouldn´t"
16:56:59Davizzl3somehow this does not sound like 100% :)
16:57:18gevaertsIt won't affect operation
16:57:22scorche|sh'could you perhaps try to be...erm...less spammy?
16:57:32*gevaerts hopes that Davizzl3 is now happy
16:57:42Davizzl3:) yes i am
16:57:54Davizzl3i am not spammy. actually this is called conversation
16:57:57MarcGuayscorche|sh: Very diplomatic. :)
16:59:09scorche|shDavizzl3: this is a technical IRC channel..not a social one or any other purpose...many of your lines do not really lend anything to the conversation and serve to just fill up the logs..
16:59:41Davizzl3okay okay. everything is good now :) But there is one thing i can not find in rockbox. When i turn off the OF and just push a button, it turns back in less than a sec. Is there a similar option in rockbox ?
17:00:12scorche|shthats better :) ...and no...Rockbox does not currently have a sleep option
17:00:16markunDavizzl3: we also have a nice social channel btw: #rockbox-community
17:00:32*Davizzl3 didnt know
17:00:43*scorche|sh looks up to the topic
17:04:59*Davizzl3 is wondering if there will be ever a sleep option
17:05:18LambdaCalculus37There is a sleep option.
17:05:43LambdaCalculus37System > Sleep Timer
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17:06:09Davizzl3But there is one thing i can not find in rockbox. When i turn off the OF and just push a button, it turns back in less than a sec. Is there a similar option in rockbox ? <−− more like that
17:06:34Davizzl3thats one great feature in the OF
17:06:40Davizzl3which should be adopted
17:06:51markunDavizzl3: some day..
17:06:56PaulJamthere is already a feature request for thet
17:07:17scorche|shLambdaCalculus37: sleep...not sleep timer ;)
17:07:21MarcGuaymarkun: Howdy. Look at me, I'm on IRC. :)
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17:08:26MarcGuaymarkun: What's happening with the Meizu? Is all the action taking place elsewhere or is it just taking a nap?
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17:09:28Davizzl3PaulJam: ok so there are more ppl looking forward for a feature like i said :)
17:09:29markunI hope we can do some Meizu hacking at the devcon
17:10:13scorche|shDavizzl3: there is likely a feature request already in the tracker for it
17:10:31wpyhBuschel: thanks for the research. I think we need to have a newer cpu boost mechanism −− one that can handle different cases gracefully. Since switching frequencies frequently seems expensive and will bring weird results, we can't use my suggestion (which was already rejected btw :p). We need something else...
17:11:04wpyhmarkun: you sure you want Chinese users to register using their Chinese names? :-\
17:11:17wpyhmarkun: btw I'm looking forward to the Meizu Port ;)
17:11:26markunwpyh: no, of course I don't want that :)
17:11:35scorche|shwpyh: well, there are romantic versions, no?
17:12:18scorche|shusing roman characters
17:12:49markuna lot of them have english names as well, but I prefer just the romanized version of the chinese name
17:13:09scorche|sherm....i blame the morning
17:13:20wpyhmarkun, scorche, all: I do prefer Pinyin or... what's that called, the one Taiwanese people use to write their names
17:13:26wpyhanyway it's all roman characters
17:13:29markunwpyh: bopomofo?
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17:13:47wpyhat least 99% of developers won't have trouble pronouncing them :p
17:13:49markunWade-Giles maybe
17:13:55wpyhmarkun: no, not bopomofo...
17:14:08markunwpyh: except for the 'q' maybe
17:14:09wpyhyeah, maybe wade-giles... I don't know, but I can sometimes recognize it
17:14:24wpyhmarkun: what q?
17:14:28markunbut I guess it's getting off topic
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17:14:45wpyhuh... yeah
17:14:53wpyhSo, back on topic
17:15:04wpyhwhen the twiki is upgraded and supports unicode
17:15:09LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: Wanna hop onto #rockbox-community? I want to ask you something.
17:15:19wpyhhow do we prevent users from registering with their Chinese names?
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17:15:44markunwpyh: because it's difficult to type if you want to look up a page with strange characters
17:16:05markunsame for russia and greek and hebrew already
17:16:19wpyhuh.... my question was: _how_ do we prevent that?
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17:16:53markunah, maybe make the register page more clear about registering with a romanized version of your real name
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17:17:05markunand what about family name, should it come first for chinese users?
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17:17:19wpyhyes, for the family name, it should come first
17:17:20scorche|shwpyh: we simply tell them to not do tht when they come in asking for write access...
17:17:46wpyhexcept when they use an english first name
17:17:52wpyhscorche: good idea :)
17:18:14wpyhlike for example, here is a very common name: 陈大伟
17:18:19scorche|shno need to make this difficult...
17:18:29wpyhusing pinyin it would be ChenDaWei
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17:18:44wpyhbut if the user wants to use an english first name, that would become David Tan
17:18:44*LambdaCalculus37 hoists the cricket bat and glares at wpyh
17:19:11*wpyh stands up and explains
17:19:21wpyhthis is on-topic IMO ;)
17:19:33wpyhI mean, we should put these examples in the wiki page
17:19:49wpyhso we don't see users getting confused and registering their funny names all they want
17:20:02wpyhby the wiki page I mean the wiki registration page
17:20:48markunwpyh: we can do that by the time it matters
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19:12:24FuriousGeorgewhat are the official details of the supported mpeg format(s)? i notice the QT(mjpeg) garbage that works with the default firmware on my sansa e200r doesnt work (not complaining)
19:12:47gevaertsmpeg1 and mpeg2
19:13:11domonokyFuriousGeorge: take a look at:
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19:13:33FuriousGeorgethanks guys. the windows converter works great but im a *nix guy :)
19:14:26domonokythere are also instructions for linux on this wiki page..
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19:25:23FuriousGeorgeidentify march
19:25:27FuriousGeorgewhoops :)
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19:26:11domonokynow you should change it.. :-)
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19:30:15gevaertsMaybe june ?
19:30:27FuriousGeorgewent with april
19:30:39FuriousGeorgei'd never remember june, duh :)
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19:48:00J-23Hi! Can I ask here about Rockbox-supported players hardware, or should I ask at #rockbox-community?
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19:49:39BigBambiJ-23: go ahead (we'll say get lost if needed :))
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19:51:44J-23I have SanDisk Sansa c240 with Rockbox, but it plays sound on right canal only. Should I disassemble it and fix audio socket?
19:53:31BigBambiit is worth a look - the jack could have a bad connection
19:53:57BigBambiassuming you have tried other ear phones of course
19:54:02BigBambior them with a different player
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20:11:42shotofaddsso... if the D2's FIQ handler can only send 4 words of L/R PCM data to the IIS FIFO at a time, that means it's being called 11,000 times per second?
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20:12:14*shotofadds has a feeling why the CPU usage appears rather high...
20:12:31amiconnGuess why it's called *F*IQ
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20:12:51shotofaddsyeah, but I'm using GCC-generated code here
20:13:11amiconnIt's the same as on PP (well, with packed samples the rate is half of that)
20:13:52J-23I tried with other sound output devices and I think player sends only right canal signal.
20:14:24amiconnFIQ uses banked registers (to make it fast), and gcc knows about that, provided you tell it that your function is an fiq handler
20:14:59shotofaddsyeah, I have issues making GCC generate the right code, so it's going slow right now
20:15:25shotofaddsdid PP gain much from asm-optimising those routines?
20:18:54amiconnI'm not sure. Afaik nobody ever measured the cpu drain from the fiq (preglow ?), but I doubt it's more than a few (< 5) percent
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21:16:15MarcGuayCan anyone explain the MOVL command? Not getting too many useful hits searching the web. I seem to remember it's essential MOV but want to make sure....
21:19:07MarcGuayNevermind, Move Long is the answer.
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21:19:22Fast2Cashcan anybody help me with installing rockbox on my sansa e200r?
21:20:07MarcGuayFast2Cash: I can try.
21:20:12Fast2Cashshould i PM you?
21:20:17MarcGuayFast2Cash: You found the installation page?
21:20:26Fast2Cashand i followd all the instructions
21:20:35Fast2Cashand i rebooted 3 times, and it changed nothing
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21:21:05MarcGuayAny messages? What step? The more details the better.
21:21:14Fast2Cashi did the whole process
21:21:19Fast2Cashup to running the bootloader
21:21:27Fast2Cashcause i wanted to overwrite the whole thing to "save boot time"
21:21:35Fast2Cashand then it said "firmware updated successfully!"
21:21:43Fast2Cashand its STILL the same firmware
21:22:14MarcGuayFast2Cash: Try doing it the regular way first, those instructions were added by someone recently and haven't been verified.
21:22:26Fast2Cashalright so what should i do?
21:22:30Fast2Cashdo i need to clear anything?
21:22:36Fast2Cashlike delete the old firmware/rockbox folder?
21:22:44MarcGuayDon't be rash, hold on....
21:24:34MarcGuayHmm, his instructions really aren't clear. Could you tell me exactly what you've done so far?
21:24:54Fast2Cashokay so
21:25:21Fast2Cashi overwrote the bootloader, put the new firmware in, including the rockbox folder
21:25:34Fast2Cashso it "booted faster"
21:25:44Fast2Cashand then ran it in manufacture mode
21:26:03Fast2Cashi showed windows to the driver it told me to
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21:26:21Fast2Cashaand then ran the patcher
21:26:29Fast2Cashit said firmware updated successfully
21:27:14Fast2Cashrebooted a few times
21:27:16Fast2Cashand nothing
21:27:48advcomp2019did you do part 2 of the steps?
21:28:00MarcGuayMeh, his instructions stink. The revenge of zajacattack
21:28:04Fast2Cashin the instructions to save boot time
21:28:12Fast2Cashit was the exact instructions
21:28:14Fast2Cashof step 2
21:28:16Fast2Cashso i didnt bother
21:28:35Fast2Cashcause then i'd be doing the same thing i just did, and then add a firmware file
21:28:37MarcGuayWhich patcher did you run specifically?
21:28:43Fast2Cashuh e200rpatcher
21:28:57Fast2Cashshould i just do the original instructions?
21:29:01MarcGuayNot the -overwrite version?
21:29:17advcomp2019Fast2Cash, you did these:
21:29:21Fast2Cashyeah i did the overwrite one
21:29:25Fast2Cashyes advcomp
21:29:26Fast2Cashi did that one
21:29:35Fast2Cashbut the little underone that said "to save boot time" one
21:29:45MarcGuayadvcomp2019: Unfortunately someone added extra instructions to it that are really poorly worded, so it's hard to tell where he's at.
21:30:07Fast2Cashare the extra instructions worth it?
21:30:17advcomp2019it worked for me here.. so yea MarcGuay, it might be a bad step
21:30:39Fast2Cashcould i just do it all over?
21:30:43MarcGuayadvcomp2019: You overwrote the bootloader completely?
21:31:17MarcGuayFast2Cash: Have you run the -overwrite.exe?
21:31:30Fast2Cashi did the overwrite one
21:31:36MarcGuayFast2Cash: Did it give you a message?
21:31:40Fast2Cashit just said
21:31:53Fast2Cashon the overwrite prog that is
21:32:03advcomp2019MarcGuay, what overwrite.exe?
21:32:03MarcGuayFast2Cash: I think you're only supposed to run it at the very end. But I can't say for sure.
21:32:04Fast2Cashsomething like "Overwritten successfully"
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21:32:17MarcGuayadvcomp2019: Check the page you linked to.
21:32:17Fast2Cashadvcomp he means the instructions that make you use
21:32:22Fast2Cashthe overwrite boot loader
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21:32:50MarcGuayFast2Cash: But the Sansa firmware is still loading when you turn it on, correct?
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21:34:00advcomp2019so you need to do "Step 2 - Perform the Rockbox installation" on that page
21:34:07MarcGuayFast2Cash: So the overwrite didn't work. No guarantees on this, but I think if you start from the beginning, and skip that nonsense, it should be okay.
21:34:17Fast2Cashalright which one
21:34:21Fast2Cashstep 2? or do it all over?
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21:34:37MarcGuayFast2Cash: I'd start over.
21:35:26Fast2Cashill start all over and tell you how it goes
21:35:33*k4y prays to the Rockbox gods for a Sansa Fuze rockbox port
21:35:47MarcGuayFast2Cash: Did the Sansa firmware ever tell you "updating firmware" or just the patcher programs?
21:36:02Fast2Cashjust the patcher
21:36:07Fast2Cashi mean in one step
21:36:16Fast2Cashit DID say the sansa was "updgrading firmware"
21:36:19Fast2Cashbut it did nothing
21:36:36Fast2Cashshould i just do step 2? or start all over?
21:36:55advcomp2019are you sure it is a e200r?
21:37:00Fast2Cashuh yeah lol
21:37:08Fast2Cashits got rhapsody/playanything for sure
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21:37:23advcomp2019ok.. good.. just checking
21:37:28Fast2Cashalright you guys i think ill just start all over?
21:37:33MarcGuayFast2Cash: Maybe advcomp is right and you just need to do step 2. But it can't hurt to start over, can it?
21:37:47Fast2Cashyour right
21:37:50Fast2Cashshould i just try step 2?
21:37:55Fast2Cashand if it fails
21:37:59Fast2Cashall over?
21:38:46advcomp2019yea try step 2 because the e200rpatcher will not install rockbox automatically
21:39:03Fast2Cashwait one small question
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21:39:13Fast2Cashin step 2, it has you install a v1 firmware on the sansa
21:39:46Fast2Cashin the initial instructions it says "must have v1 firmware" so i just downloaded and installed the firmware given on step 2 so it had v1 firmware
21:39:50Fast2Cashwould that make a difference?
21:40:10advcomp2019you use the e200r firmware as the OF.mi4 file and you can use the latest e200r firmware
21:40:37Fast2Cashthe initial instructions say must have v1 firmware
21:40:39MarcGuayFast2Cash: So you upgraded to the firmware on page 2 before starting the install?
21:41:02MarcGuayFast2Cash: That just means that your firmware version # must start with a 1, otherwise it's a different model.
21:41:08Fast2Cashi know but
21:41:23Fast2Cashso what should i do?
21:41:32MarcGuayHow did you upgrade?
21:41:36MarcGuayRecovery mode?
21:41:44Fast2Cashno i just used the firmware on the 2nd page
21:41:51Fast2Cashby dragging it to root folder
21:42:32MarcGuayMaybe do that again just to clear everything up, then start from scratch.
21:42:42Fast2Cashalright so
21:42:45Fast2Cashinstall a v1 firmware?
21:42:50Fast2Cashthen redo the whole thing?
21:42:58MarcGuayThat's my advice.
21:43:13Fast2Cashdoing it now
21:43:27Fast2Cashwhat if i have a v2 model?
21:43:49MarcGuayFast2Cash: Did the update work before?
21:44:11Fast2Cashokay i checked the info on settings i have a v1 model
21:44:22Fast2Cashso ill install the latest firmware and start from scratch
21:44:56advcomp2019yea just start from beginning
21:45:37MarcGuayAnybody have an opinion on zajacattack's instructions? Remove them, reword them?
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21:48:07Fast2Cashto do manufacture mode
21:48:11Fast2Cashit has to be off correct?
21:48:35MarcGuayturn on the hold switch, hold select and plug in USB while continuing to hold select for about 10s
21:48:43MarcGuayYeah, from off.
21:48:51advcomp2019MarcGuay, remove that overwrite thing because i know the e200rpatcher works fine
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21:49:21MarcGuayadvcomp2019: Well, it's an added feature which overwrites the sansa bootloader completely.
21:49:42MarcGuayadvcomp2019: It's just poorly worded and a bit dangerous to offer first-time users the option.
21:50:07advcomp2019o ok.. did not know that because i have always used the e200rpatcher
21:50:36advcomp2019yea it is poorly worded after reading a few more time
21:51:54Fast2Cashyou guys!
21:51:56Fast2Cashthis is great
21:51:59Fast2Cashit says
21:52:01Fast2Cashproceed to step 2
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21:57:00advcomp2019MarcGuay, plus i just did the overwrite one on mine.. it seem to do nothing to mine
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21:58:00Fast2Cashrebooting now
21:58:01Fast2Cashthis is it
21:58:10MarcGuayadvcomp2019: Did you do it after doing step 2?
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21:59:07MarcGuayadvcomp2019: Weird. I guess it's hard to know if you did it right when the directions are so crummy.
21:59:36Fast2Cashupgrade completed
21:59:41MarcGuayIt probably qualifies as an unsupported build.
21:59:43Fast2CashYOU GUYS
21:59:44Fast2CashARE SO COOL
21:59:54MarcGuayFast2Cash: Enjoy.
22:00:29Fast2Cashjust accidentally clicked on pp502?
22:00:33Fast2Cashits all black lol
22:00:52Fast2Cashrestarted it
22:00:57advcomp2019MarcGuay, yea.. might be.. going to try it one more time
22:01:18MarcGuayadvcomp2019: Just took it off the page.
22:01:34MarcGuayFast2Cash: Have you read the manual yet?
22:02:04Fast2Cashshould i?
22:02:06Fast2Cashi will now
22:02:51Fast2Cashyou guys
22:02:54Fast2Cashthis thing is amazing
22:02:58Fast2Cashi thank both of you SO much
22:10:09Fast2Cashsmall question regarding personal preference
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22:26:02advcomp2019MarcGuay, yea.. i just tried it 3 more times that overwrite one and it just did not do anything to my e200r
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22:31:34Fast2Cashhey advcomp
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22:34:45advcomp2019Fast2Cash, yes.. do you need something?
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22:40:30Fast2Cashuh i tried to drag music to my mp3
22:40:33Fast2Cashand sync
22:40:51Fast2Cashand it says "files/directory are corrupted/unreadable"
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22:42:55MarcGuayYou're in Sansa's UMS mode?
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22:45:07MarcGuayLike a hard disk/flash drive - not MTP mode.
22:45:35BigBambiFast2Cash: Does it appear as a drive letter in explorer, rather than a folder
22:45:41advcomp2019you in rhapsody mode??
22:45:46Fast2Cashim in rhapsody mode
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22:45:50Fast2Cashand in the pc
22:45:56Fast2Cashit appears as letter K:
22:46:01MarcGuayThe channel is logged by the way, it would make everyone reading it happy if you used full sentences instead of short thoughts.
22:46:08BigBambiFast2Cash: could you try not to use the enter key as punctuation please?
22:46:18*bluebrother wonders how one can drag files to a file format ...
22:46:19Fast2CashSorry, my sincerist apologies.
22:46:49Fast2CashMaybe if i change it out of Rhapsody mode and then transfer the music via Explorer it will work.
22:47:18BigBambiYou need it in UMS mode for Rockbox
22:47:23Fast2Cashwhats thaT?
22:47:23MarcGuayFast2Cash: Do you get 2 drive letters or one?
22:47:30Fast2Cashi got a K: drive
22:47:35BigBambiSo you are going into K: and dragging music to that?
22:47:47MarcGuayBigBambi: They're listed as Rhapsody & PlaysForSure on the R model.
22:47:59Fast2CashExcept, usually it shows up in Other Devices and its Sansa e200R.
22:48:08Fast2CashBut now it is showing up as K:
22:48:14BigBambiMarcGuay: Yeah, I was hoping for knowledge of UMS
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22:49:01SETH_HIKARUi need some help
22:49:07SETH_HIKARUcan anyone help me
22:49:18bluebrothernot if you don't ask the question
22:49:18Fast2CashWhat does the problem pertain too?
22:49:21advcomp2019SETH_HIKARU, if you do not tell us what it is
22:49:26Bagderjust breath slowly and ask
22:49:37BigBambiin particular?
22:49:39SETH_HIKARUoh ya
22:49:39*bluebrother gets pissed by w32 creating a new type for anything :(
22:49:43MarcGuayFast2Cash: Is there an L: drive as well?
22:49:54SETH_HIKARUmy computer is being stupid so its gonna cut me off but ill be back
22:50:12MarcGuayFast2Cash: And what happens when you drive music to the K drive?
22:50:35SETH_HIKARUhow do i apply patches to the sourcecode
22:50:50Fast2CashWhen i drag it, "Error: The file/directory are corrupted/unreadable"
22:50:52bluebrotherread the WorkingWithPatches wiki page
22:50:59SETH_HIKARUit doesnt help
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22:51:13BigBambiSo what particular problems do you have, as I can assure you it works
22:51:17bluebrother"doesnt help" is really the worst problem description I can think of
22:51:19SETH_HIKARUi was using an older page
22:51:30webguest17hi there
22:51:38SETH_HIKARUso ill be back shortly if i still cant understand it
22:51:44MarcGuayFast2Cash: That's a windows error or...?
22:51:46webguest17I was wondering about pictures on rockbox
22:51:48SETH_HIKARUthank you bigbambi
22:51:51webguest17on a sansa e200
22:51:59BigBambiwebguest17: In particular?
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22:52:04webguest17is that posible
22:52:11webguest17I mean
22:52:14webguest17file formats
22:52:24webguest17bmp, jpeg, tiff
22:52:31BigBambiPlease try not to use the enter key as punctuation
22:52:38BigBambiThere is a jpg viewer
22:52:43PaulJamrockbox has a plugin to display (non progressive) jpeg
22:52:52bluebrotherplease check the documentation first.
22:52:57BigBambibmps are used for the While playing screen, and on colour targets you can edit bmps
22:53:26webguest17ok, I will try using jpeg
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22:54:17advcomp2019Fast2Cash, have you check the sansa for errors on the drive since you have that error?
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22:55:05webguest17ok, thanks, it worked!
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22:56:27Fast2CashSorry im back
22:56:35Fast2CashI tried to mess with it.
22:56:44Fast2CashIt IS indeed to a windows error when dragged.
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22:58:01MarcGuayFast2Cash: Can you browse the drive?
22:58:03SETH_HIKARUi need a little more help on applying patches
22:58:06Fast2CashI actually beleive i have a NEW problem on top of this. Now when i connect my sansa to the PC while in rockbox, it says Refresh Database and freezes.
22:58:18BigBambijust ask
22:58:35SETH_HIKARUhow do i use the patch program once i have installed it
22:58:38MarcGuayFast2Cash: If you plug it in from the off position?
22:58:55Fast2CashIf i plug it in, whilst it is on.
22:58:58BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: the wiki page I linked tells you that
22:59:08advcomp2019Fast2Cash, you need to use OF to transfer files to it
22:59:14MarcGuayFast2Cash: I'm asking what happens if you plug it in while it's off.
22:59:20Fast2Cashso turn it off, and then plug it in?
22:59:23BagderSETH_HIKARU: start with setting up a proper development environment
22:59:28MarcGuayFast2Cash: Yessir.
22:59:32BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: It is in the cunningly named "Applying A Patch" section
22:59:41MarcGuayBigBambi: :)
22:59:56Fast2CashTurning off the mp3, and now plugging it in.
23:00:01MarcGuayBigBambi: It's truly devious.
23:00:15BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: Sorry, I assumed you already had the build environment set up if you were trying to apply a patch - do you?
23:00:18BigBambiMarcGuay: :)
23:00:19Fast2CashLoads into rhapsody and now says "Refresh Database"
23:00:42Fast2Cashnow it froze on the Rhapsody screen.
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23:00:47SETH_HIKARUoh sorry
23:01:03BigBambiDo you have the development environment set up?
23:01:16SETH_HIKARUum i dont know what does a build envir. set up look like
23:01:19SETH_HIKARUi have cygwin
23:01:22BigBambiYou know that after applying the patch to the source you need to compile it?
23:01:26MarcGuayFast2Cash: Sounds like your drive is corrupt.
23:01:33SETH_HIKARUi know that
23:01:40BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: and cygwin is set up as on the wiki, and you can compile unpatched Rockbox?
23:01:47MarcGuayFast2Cash: Did it get into the main menu or is it still stuck?
23:01:49SETH_HIKARUi know
23:01:54SETH_HIKARUi wanna patch mine
23:02:10BigBambiOK, so read the applying a patch section
23:02:22SETH_HIKARU so how do i know if i have a build environment set up
23:02:35BigBambiyou just said you do?
23:02:54BigBambiI repeat: and cygwin is set up as on the wiki, and you can compile unpatched Rockbox?
23:03:40SETH_HIKARUno i heavent done that
23:03:45SETH_HIKARUbut im sure it can
23:03:53Fast2CashWait my drive is corrupt. Whats that mean?
23:03:54BigBambiThen that would be a good place to start
23:04:02SETH_HIKARUmmmmmm not really
23:04:12BigBambier, yes?
23:04:21SETH_HIKARUi dont wanna wait 5 minutes just to do that
23:04:27SETH_HIKARUand find out it does it fine
23:04:31BigBambiYou need to be able to compile the source code before patching it makes any sense
23:04:47SETH_HIKARUbe back in 2
23:04:57SETH_HIKARUmy computer should do it in that
23:05:16MarcGuayFast2Cash: What's happening now?
23:06:00SETH_HIKARU3ghz core 2 duo overclocked to 5ghz
23:06:00SETH_HIKARUmy computer is fast
23:06:00BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: please don't spam the channel with irrelevancies
23:06:00BigBambiI really don't care what your computer is or how long it takes to build
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23:06:18Fast2CashSo i plugged it in while OFF, and now its frozen on the "Refresh Database" on the STARTING rhapsody screen.
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23:07:38MarcGuayFast2Cash: How did you get it to appear as the F: drive before?
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23:08:46SETH_HIKARUok it built it fine
23:08:50SETH_HIKARUnow what
23:08:51Fast2CashBefore it just appeared in "Other Devices: Sansa e200R
23:08:58SETH_HIKARUapply the patches
23:09:01MarcGuayFast2Cash: Before what?
23:09:14MarcGuayFast2Cash: You said a minute ago that it was an F: drive, no?
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23:09:25Fast2CashLike before all this stuff. Im thinking, what if i use the Recovery tool, and just reformat hte whole thing.
23:09:28BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: yes, as the Applying A Patch section tells you
23:09:29Fast2CashNo K: drive now.
23:09:40shotofaddsamiconn: asm-coding the FIQ handler saves about a 3MHz average in the buffering debug screen.
23:09:43webguest22what about rockbox and itunes?
23:09:55shotofaddsstill running at 87MHz for a 320kbps MP3, though
23:09:57Bagderwe need to get rockbox 3 out for a rockbox download day!
23:09:58SETH_HIKARUok so what do i name the patchfile
23:10:02SETH_HIKARUlike in the
23:10:12SETH_HIKARUpatch < patchfile
23:10:21PaulJamwebguest22: could you rephrase that question?
23:10:38SETH_HIKARUwhat do i replace < patchfile with
23:10:46preglowshotofadds: eyh, great news!
23:10:47BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: wait, are you creating a patch?
23:10:54SETH_HIKARUgoing to
23:11:11BigBambiSo surely you therefore have a patch to apply?
23:11:14scorche|shSETH_HIKARU: please stop using the enter key as sentences is *much* easier to read
23:11:23webguest22can I use rockbox to play itunes files (m4p) or I need to convert them to mp3?
23:11:28shotofaddspreglow: yeah, but now I have a mountain of half-finished code to clean up :/
23:11:29MarcGuayFast2Cash: You might want to do that.
23:11:42MarcGuayFast2Cash: Can you get into recovery mode?
23:11:42preglowshotofadds: :D
23:11:49BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: So use that then
23:11:52advcomp2019Fast2Cash, you will need to format using "sansa.fmt" file and reinstall the sansa firmware via recovery mode.. then do step two again.. then put your music back on to the Sansa
23:12:00*shotofadds is well impressed that his asm-FIQ handler didn't crash...
23:12:03bluebrotherwebguest22: rockbox plays aac audio as long as it isn't encrypted (i.e. copy protected)
23:12:03Fast2CashI was just going to factory reset it using the Recovery Tool.
23:12:10amiconnshotofadds: What target was that, again? (preferably including arm version)
23:12:17SETH_HIKARUBigBambi: what do i replace the < patchfile with
23:12:20amiconnSorry, too many targets in th epipe to remember...
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23:12:29BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: the name of the patch
23:12:32BigBambiWhat else?
23:12:38shotofaddsamiconn: D2, arm926ej-s
23:12:44PaulJamwebguest22: rockbox plays m4a (aac) files (if they aren't DRM encrypted)
23:12:54SETH_HIKARUdo i have to put in the file its going to patch
23:13:07SETH_HIKARUfilename excuse me
23:13:24preglowshotofadds: working on new ata driver now
23:13:29BigBambipatch -p0 < name_of_the_sodding_patch_file.patch
23:13:32Fast2CashShould i unbrick it? Or just reformat the damn thing?
23:13:37***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:13:48preglowshotofadds: will just hack one together calling either nand code or sd code depending
23:14:00SETH_HIKARUand i do this in cygwin
23:14:12amiconnHmm, arm v5. I'd expect that to be more clock efficient than arm7
23:14:19SETH_HIKARUbecause it says the patch command doesnt exist
23:14:24amiconnBut still great that it's actually playing music
23:14:27shotofaddspreglow: yeah, I saw the logs earlier. a new ata-wrapper layer sounds an excellent plan to me.
23:14:29preglowamiconn: it is
23:14:30SETH_HIKARUor not found
23:14:30BigBambiI thought you said you had installed patch
23:14:35SETH_HIKARUi did
23:14:38amiconnOptimisation can come later
23:14:53SETH_HIKARUwas i supposed to install it to the cygwin directory
23:14:54shotofaddsyeah, I'm just pleased to have got this far :)
23:15:00BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: well either not succesfully, or it isn't in PATH
23:15:12preglowshotofadds: haven't actually read any data from a card yet, but i think that'll work out nicely
23:15:22shotofaddspreglow: \o/
23:15:23MarcGuayadvcomp2019: Do you want to guide him? I don't have any experience with the rhapsodys.
23:15:33preglowunfortunately i have another busy weekend coming up, though
23:15:49shotofaddswhen it works, can you make the SD card the default drive, please?!
23:15:59shotofadds(could be fun for the bootloader...)
23:16:02preglowwell, if it's easy enough
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23:16:26advcomp2019MarcGuay, yea hold on.. Fast2Cash, get into recovery mode please
23:16:38SETH_HIKARUwhere do i install patch then BigBambi?
23:16:43shotofaddswell, we won't have write access to the NAND for a /very/ long time. And playlist_control / saving settings would be nice...
23:16:46Fast2CashWould reformatting it just be a better choice?
23:16:48amiconnIf we make a wrapper, we should make ata_read_sectors() and ata_write_sectors() more generic than they currently are
23:17:11preglowshotofadds: had any further looks on write access or are you just being pessimistic? :>
23:17:26Fast2CashI think its already messed up prior to Rockbox. I think reformatting it will fix that problem.
23:17:29preglowamiconn: well, i wasn't really going to make all targets use the wrapper
23:17:31advcomp2019Fast2Cash, yea but since you cant get a letter drive you cant
23:17:39amiconnCurrently they are limited by the maximum sector count that ata allows, and will fail when exceeding that
23:17:45preglowamiconn: i think gevearts want this matter discussed at devcon, thoigh
23:17:46SETH_HIKARUBigBambi: Where do I install Patch? as in the directory
23:17:48amiconn(on actual ata targets, that is)
23:17:50shotofaddspreglow: no. if it's taken this long to not-fully-understand read access, I hate to think what might happen if we start writing.
23:18:01BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: patience, I can read
23:18:01PaulJamSETH_HIKARU: i think the usual way to install additional packages in cygwin is to run the setup again and choose the packages in one of the screens of the installation dialogue.
23:18:19Fast2CashOne second advcomp, ill give it a go.
23:18:20*shotofadds goes to drink tea and listen to slightly-distorted music :)
23:18:31amiconnfat.c knows about that limitation, but it's in fact unnecessary on non-ata targets, and on ata targets it's relatively easy to work around that limitation
23:18:40amiconn(and btw, lba48 has a much higher limit)
23:18:58BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: I don't use cygwin - I was under the impression that if you installed cygwin as instructed on the wiki page, you would have all needed packages
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23:19:44preglowamiconn: might also be fun to not assume our storage backend is ata, but i guess that'd just add unnecessary code for most of our targets which do use ata
23:19:53amiconnlba28 is limited to 256 sectors per transfer (the sector count is a single byte), while lba48 allows up to 65536 sectors per transfer
23:20:19amiconnpreglow: It's just naming...
23:20:25SETH_HIKARUoh what do you use then BigBambi
23:20:59SETH_HIKARUsame thing in a sense
23:21:05SETH_HIKARUim using a bash shell
23:21:08BigBambiNot really
23:21:12BigBambiI prefer VMWare on Windows to cygwin however
23:21:30SETH_HIKARUme to
23:21:34SETH_HIKARUi have viruses
23:21:42SETH_HIKARUand all that crap
23:21:45bluebrotheryou have a too loose enter key
23:21:46SETH_HIKARUi hate
23:21:46BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: on topic please
23:22:02SETH_HIKARUlol good one bluebrother
23:22:05BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: *stop* (for the third time) using the enter key as punctuation
23:22:09scorche|shSETH_HIKARU: consider this a warning to stay on-topic and to stop using the enter key as punctuation
23:22:32SETH_HIKARUok so where do i install the patch program as in what directory
23:22:44BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: read all of
23:22:45*bluebrother goes for popcorn and waits for logbot ...
23:23:03advcomp2019Fast2Cash, if you know how to use reinstall the sansa firmware and use the "sansa.fmt" file via recovery mode, you should be safe
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23:24:40BigBambiwhat was that about?
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23:25:01Bagderprobably one of his previous blurbs that triggered it
23:25:24Bagderlogbot "marks" users for kicks and performs once it can
23:26:33Bagdernot only does it handle being de-opped then, but it's also necessary to prevent it from flooding itself when it wants to kick large amounts of users
23:26:46Fast2CashAlright it failed. Im would like to reformat it. Advcomp, i read the instructions, so i put in the new firmware , and a sansa.fmt file?
23:26:49BigBambixargs for logbot :)
23:27:49advcomp2019Fast2Cash, yea.. put the sansa e200r firmware and the sansa.fmt file on to the sansa via recovery mode
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23:28:24Fast2Cashwhere can i geet the sansa.fmt file?
23:28:30preglowamiconn: no current targets would benefit from an ata wrapper which uses several different backends, no?
23:28:32BigBambiJust create it
23:28:44BigBambiFast2Cash: It is just an empty file called sansa.fmt
23:29:09Fast2CashRight click?
23:29:27amiconnpreglow: Not right now, but once we get usbotg going, there will be several
23:29:35amiconn(H300 and X5 to name at least 2)
23:30:25Fast2CashHow do i make an empty file?
23:30:49BigBambiIn windows, right click, create new text file, and call it sansa.fmt
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23:31:41Fast2CashAlright after reformatting, it will be like a factory reset?
23:32:31advcomp2019yes.. but you will not need to do step 1.. you only need to do step 2
23:33:20*preglow just hardcodes an ata-wrapper for d2 for now
23:33:59Fast2CashOh god
23:34:20Fast2CashI just turned it back on and it said "Not enough disk space for music DB" and now it froze blue.
23:34:46amiconnpreglow: Maybe we should define generic "block device" function names, which would be the wrapper on targets with several backends, and just #define'd on single-backend targets
23:35:11advcomp2019are you sure you named the file sansa.fmt?
23:35:14preglowamiconn: makes sense
23:35:22amiconnThe question is how to cleanly handle multivolume within that concept
23:36:15amiconnIn fact our current multivolume implementation is a bit too simplistic, because we do not really distinguish between the device uints when mounting volumes
23:36:20Fast2CashiIt reformated properly.
23:36:27Fast2CashBut now it froze.
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23:37:05amiconnE.g. Ondio (and Sansa) allow for 2 volumes. So if you make 2 partitions on the built-in flash, an MMC/microSD won't mount anymore
23:37:43advcomp2019Fast2Cash, try the sansa.fmt file again to check again.. hopefully the file is not sansa.fmt.txt
23:37:58Fast2CashNo it wasnt.
23:38:04Fast2CashIll try though.
23:39:30SETH_HIKARUso after i do all of this the patch command will work
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23:40:27Fast2CashAlright its formatting again.
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23:40:53SETH_HIKARUhey just a question for anyone that can answer me WHAT HAPPENED TO IPODLINUX.ORG!!!!?
23:40:57MarcGuayFast2Cash: You're putting an mi4 file in there with it, right?
23:41:08MarcGuayJust checking.
23:41:15BagderSETH_HIKARU: go #ipodlinux and ask
23:41:23SETH_HIKARUoh they have an irc
23:41:27MarcGuayFast2Cash: And you have windows set to show known file extentions?
23:41:33Fast2CashIf this does not work, is there anything else i can do?
23:41:42Fast2CashAnd yes, it showed sansa.FMT
23:42:01SETH_HIKARUum Badger: how do i do that
23:42:25scorche|shSETH_HIKARU: you cant from our webclient
23:42:33SETH_HIKARUso where can i
23:42:50Fast2CashI set the mode to PlayAnything and it is working fine so far.
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23:43:00Fast2CashNow do i redo step 2?
23:43:58advcomp2019yes, you redo step 2 but you need to use rhapsody mode tho
23:44:33SETH_HIKARUscorche|sh: how do i access #ipodlinux do i need to install and irc client
23:44:35Fast2CashAlright lemme give it a shot.
23:44:44BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: For the last time, stay on topic
23:44:47scorche|shSETH_HIKARU: use mibbit
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23:45:41SETH_HIKARUand if u would be so mean bigbambi for your information i cant get to because i want ipodlinux on my ipod and i want to know what happened and why they are down
23:46:17scorche|shSETH_HIKARU: it doesnt matter....this is an on-topic channel
23:46:28scorche|shit isnt about being is about following our guidelines
23:46:28BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: I don't care why you want to go there
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23:47:09SETH_HIKARUok ill stay on topic then
23:51:02Fast2CashIts rebooted into Rockbox.
23:51:36MarcGuayFast2Cash: Have you read the Sansa FAQ?
23:51:38Fast2CashNow is it safe to change it back to PlaysForSure mode?
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23:52:12advcomp2019no.. i would not use playforsure mode
23:52:28Fast2CashAnd if you mean the manual, im reading it.
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23:52:41Fast2CashBut now is it safe to transfer music?
23:53:27MarcGuayFast2Cash: You should be able to just drag and drop your files. Here's the Sansa FAQ I was talking about:
23:53:48advcomp2019yes, you can transfer your music just fine if you read the manual too
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