| 00:01:26 | scorche|sh | i need to add a few devices on there as well...(assuming Zoll approves of me taking 16 DAPs with me on the trip) |
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| 00:02:12 | pixelma | bluebrother: in case you know off the top of your head - is there something better (say more descriptive) to display an exclamation mark in the verbatim environment? I learned that using ! there has a special meaning and this was what a first quick search turned up (and worked btw.) |
| 00:02:44 | pixelma | err... I found "\symbol{33}" works |
| 00:02:55 | bluebrother | doesn't \! work? |
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| 00:03:14 | pixelma | no, I tried that |
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| 00:05:01 | saratoga | I'm pretty sure that guy who came in here asking about the WMA codec never saw my reply about portability because it was burried under a lot of disk formating junk |
| 00:05:44 | * | amiconn wonders what's so bad about the exclamation mark |
| 00:06:57 | amiconn | bash doesn't like it (stumbled upon that several times when trying to use one in a commit message), and neither does latex iiuc (in certan cases at least) |
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| 00:07:21 | Bagder | ! is often "magic" in unix shells |
| 00:07:54 | amiconn | Yeah, but why does escaping not work as expected? Using \! inserts both characters, not just ! |
| 00:08:07 | Bagder | no, ! is often more magic than so |
| 00:08:13 | amiconn | Using ! alone makes bash complain about some signal stuff |
| 00:08:56 | Bagder | another reason to use an editor for commit messages ;-) |
| 00:12:02 | * | preglow hugs vim |
| 00:12:45 | * | bluebrother waits for the emacs guys ... |
| 00:14:05 | * | Bagder holds emacs on a stick in front of preglow |
| 00:14:13 | * | amiconn likes neither |
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| 00:14:32 | Bagder | that guy also uses windows so we won't listen to him ;-) |
| 00:15:03 | * | bluebrother is required to use windows at work but already came back using vim :) |
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| 00:15:55 | * | pixelma suggest to at least use windows in walls ;) |
| 00:16:02 | pixelma | *suggests too |
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| 00:20:00 | saratoga | has the emulator guy been around lately? |
| 00:20:07 | saratoga | i kind of wanted to talk to him |
| 00:22:20 | bluebrother | I haven't seen much SoC students around here. Wouldn't it be better if they were more "integrated"? |
| 00:23:15 | * | scorche|sh has mentioned this before |
| 00:24:06 | bluebrother | hmm, what's best practise regarding copyright info when I'm adding a header file only adding exports? Putting in the original author or myself? |
| 00:24:43 | saratoga | we could schedule GSOC meetings in the channel |
| 00:25:12 | saratoga | obviously not everyone at the same time, but at least mentor and student, and anyone else whos interested |
| 00:25:21 | saratoga | or who reads the logs |
| 00:25:40 | scorche|sh | saratoga: i would be happy even with weekly mails and more updates on wiki pages |
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| 00:29:07 | saratoga | i'd prefer meeting in the channel because it allows other people to ask questions and give feedback |
| 00:29:35 | scorche|sh | right..i was giving an "at least" sort of comment |
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| 00:29:43 | saratoga | ah |
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| 00:39:44 | * | shotofadds has some 'quality control' issues to work through, but will aim to do a commit and "Gentlemen..." email in the next couple of days. |
| 00:39:46 | shotofadds | night all. |
| 00:39:59 | ut2004player | night |
| 00:40:54 | ut2004player | so what is this 'rockbox'? |
| 00:41:59 | | Quit shotofadds (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 00:42:14 | ut2004player | nvm... found link: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
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| 00:44:03 | ut2004player | it does not seem to support psp? |
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| 00:47:09 | bluebrother | no, it does not. |
| 00:47:21 | * | preglow sees shotofadds too late |
| 00:49:36 | ut2004player | well, thats lame. :/ |
| 00:50:01 | ut2004player | no use for me then, laters. |
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| 01:25:28 | preglow | 235423 |
| 01:25:36 | preglow | my sd card powered on! |
| 01:25:52 | * | preglow hits head |
| 01:26:38 | saratoga | how long have you been working on that |
| 01:26:51 | preglow | not as long as it seems, i've had a pretty long rockbox break now |
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| 01:28:20 | pixelma | nice D2 progress this evening, congrats! :) |
| 01:28:25 | preglow | long break from computers in general, actually |
| 01:28:50 | preglow | pixelma: well, don't congrat too soon, i'll probably run into more trouble :) |
| 01:28:59 | preglow | but i'll try to read some data from the sd card tomorrow, or at least in not long |
| 01:29:31 | pixelma | heh, but one step in the right direction |
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| 01:29:47 | preglow | having the card reporting it's actually powering up is kind of significant, yeah :) |
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| 01:31:16 | preglow | shotofadds: for the logs, gpioc pin 24 was indeed the key, it needs to be low for the card to power up properly |
| 01:31:43 | preglow | god knows why, but there it is |
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| 01:35:53 | PRINCESS_FLUFF | Yay, my 8 gig SDHC card worked perfectly with a Sansa e200 8 gig |
| 01:36:05 | PRINCESS_FLUFF | And I paid only 40$ for it |
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| 01:39:50 | scorche|sh | ok... |
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| 01:48:20 | adamgolding | "this is a macpod, rockbox doesn't work on this. Convert it to winpod" how? |
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| 01:48:34 | Galois | reformat the drive? |
| 01:48:40 | scorche|sh | Galois: more than that |
| 01:48:45 | wpy1 | there is a page on the wik |
| 01:48:47 | scorche|sh | adamgolding: what operating system do you run? |
| 01:48:48 | wpy1 | *wiki |
| 01:50:43 | adamgolding | vista |
| 01:50:47 | adamgolding | vist32 ultimate |
| 01:50:59 | scorche|sh | adamgolding: then "restore" in itunes if you can |
| 01:51:12 | adamgolding | ohi've never used itunes with it, lol |
| 01:51:56 | scorche|sh | alternatively, you can search for the conversion wiki page |
| 01:52:13 | adamgolding | i dont' see an option for that in itunes |
| 01:53:00 | saratoga | i'm sure iTunes has a help menu |
| 01:53:13 | adamgolding | hmm now my ipod just says 'do not disconnect' constantly despite all ipod realted progs being closed |
| 01:53:23 | scorche|sh | i have never used itunes, so i couldnt tell you where it would be...use the help menu or google |
| 01:53:31 | scorche|sh | keep in mind this will wipe the drive |
| 01:54:49 | adamgolding | np, new ipod |
| 01:55:28 | wpy1 | Buschel: since the 5G is slow, yes I think it needs to be boosted too. |
| 01:55:50 | wpy1 | Buschel: I've just tried boosting the CPU, and the GUI is very fast now with the boost :) so I think it's needed here. |
| 01:56:40 | wpy1 | Buschel: Also, I've tried running the bubbles game. normally, it's very slow on the 5.5G. but with the CPU boost I'm able to run it smoothly. |
| 01:56:56 | wpy1 | Buschel: the way I did it was manually boost the CPU :p |
| 01:57:56 | wpy1 | Buschel: and I think it would be better to have multiple steps. like maybe 24 MHz -> 50 MHz -> 80 MHz. this way we can/may be able to achieve some kind of balance (if it's possible at all to have multiple frequency steps) |
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| 01:58:40 | wpyh | Buschel: by the way, I don't know why my nick became wpy1... but you know it's me (just noticed now and changed it) |
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| 02:01:49 | saratoga | wpyh: the only speeds allowed are idle, normal and boosted, so having multiple steps is out |
| 02:02:09 | wpyh | saratoga: what's the difference between idle and normal? |
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| 02:02:41 | saratoga | no idea |
| 02:02:59 | saratoga | presumably its less then 30MHz though |
| 02:03:05 | Llorean | 24mhz I think |
| 02:03:21 | Llorean | Slower on the Coldfire targets, iirc. |
| 02:03:41 | wpyh | well, so Buschel patch would make idle == normal? |
| 02:03:57 | Llorean | Speaking of that |
| 02:04:16 | Llorean | I do wonder how the WPS scrolling looks at 24mhz. |
| 02:04:20 | saratoga | idle should probably be lowered if its 24MHz |
| 02:04:36 | Llorean | saratoga: I think there's a reason it's 24mhz, but I'm not sure what it is. |
| 02:05:20 | wpyh | btw, is the allowed speeds being idle, normal and boosted limitation being a hardware limitation or rockbox? |
| 02:05:26 | Llorean | Regarding the 24mhz unboosted speed, even when boosting during UI use, I'm concerned that it'll be visible when the CPU boosts/unboosts with WPS scrolling, alternating sublines, etc. |
| 02:05:36 | Llorean | wpyh: Rockbox design choice. |
| 02:05:57 | wpyh | well, then can I suggest a more flexible design of multiple steps? |
| 02:06:13 | saratoga | what use would that be? |
| 02:06:37 | wpyh | so that we can boost the CPU and get the necessary speed, but without wasting too much power |
| 02:06:44 | saratoga | IIRC we can clock the PP chips at 16MHz now, I think Buschel actually posted flac benchmarks doing that |
| 02:07:01 | Llorean | wpyh: Uhm... if you boost faster, you spend less time boosted, so you don't actually waste more power boosting to 80mhz than you would, say, at 60 |
| 02:07:02 | wpyh | the boost counter would act as the variable/parameter |
| 02:07:28 | wpyh | Llorean: that's for purely cpu-dependent audio playback IMO |
| 02:07:41 | Llorean | Which is one of the few places boosting is really used... |
| 02:07:42 | wpyh | for scrolling, we can boost just to 50MHz for example |
| 02:08:00 | saratoga | wpyh: thats not worth it, compared to back light, boost uses no power at all |
| 02:08:00 | Llorean | Or for scrolling we can have an "unboosted" speed adequate for it. |
| 02:08:13 | wpyh | Llorean: then for plugins? |
| 02:08:28 | Llorean | Plugins that boost also do so for good reason |
| 02:08:56 | Llorean | In them, you'll have the backlight on, draining vastly more power than being boosted does, as saratoga has pointed out |
| 02:08:59 | wpyh | saratoga: you mean the cpu boost uses less delta power than lcd? |
| 02:09:06 | Llorean | Backlight is not LCD |
| 02:09:15 | wpyh | uh, yeah I mean backlight, sorry |
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| 02:09:16 | wpyh | :p |
| 02:09:20 | saratoga | wpyh: you kidding? |
| 02:09:20 | Llorean | It's an important difference. |
| 02:09:46 | wpyh | yeah... I'm used to refer to lcd and backlight as one thing |
| 02:09:50 | saratoga | yes lights use order of magnitude more power then boosting a CPU |
| 02:09:52 | wpyh | need to pay more attention ;) |
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| 02:10:13 | wpyh | well in that case it's not worth it then, sorry |
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| 02:10:29 | wpyh | maybe someone would find this idea useful though, |
| 02:10:36 | wpyh | but let's save it for another time |
| 02:10:59 | wpyh | (the idea is to select the boosted speed based on the boost counter) |
| 02:11:10 | saratoga | yes we know you've said so a few times |
| 02:11:45 | saratoga | Llorean: anyway, I would like to eventually lower the core clock speed, so having some sort of gui boosting would be nice |
| 02:11:50 | Llorean | The boost counter is meaningless relative to the total amount of speed needed anyway |
| 02:12:21 | saratoga | i think if properly implemented it would save power for many users and improve responsiveness at no real cost |
| 02:12:30 | Llorean | boost: 1 can mean "the CPU can barely, barely keep up because we're decoding .APE here" while boost: 3 can mean "I'm playing jewels, buffering, and the PCM buffer got ever so slightly low while playing FLAC" |
| 02:12:32 | saratoga | of course "properly implemented" is the tricky part |
| 02:12:38 | wpyh | saratoga: but that is in effect having multiple speeds... |
| 02:12:58 | saratoga | wpyh: yes multiple as in 2 speeds |
| 02:13:09 | wpyh | Llorean: in that case, the APE codec should try to up the boost counter by 3 |
| 02:13:15 | wpyh | that's what I mean ;) |
| 02:13:23 | Llorean | saratoga: My concern with regard to lowering the normal speed, as I said, is WPS when the user is not interacting. Scrolling, alternating sublines, peakmeters, etc, all need to be just as responsive whether the CPU is boosted or not, so there needs to be enough speed there to keep them updating (in my opinion) |
| 02:13:28 | saratoga | yes and what we mean is thats not how it works |
| 02:13:32 | wpyh | saratoga: well... might as well use the multiple boost... |
| 02:13:39 | wpyh | uh... |
| 02:13:45 | * | wpyh needs to study boost_counter |
| 02:13:58 | saratoga | you could just read Lloreans explination of how it works |
| 02:14:05 | Llorean | wpyh: That would be ridiculous to keep track of. As optimizations go in for the codec, as the UI gets faster and slower, etc, etc, it would be impossible to keep track of how many boost counts any given situation appropriately needs. |
| 02:14:58 | saratoga | LLorean: on many PP targets if the back light is off the screen doesn't need to be updated |
| 02:15:16 | saratoga | actually its pretty much all PP targets except the Ipods I think |
| 02:15:30 | wpyh | well, I'm reading it now but I still don't quite understand |
| 02:15:40 | Llorean | saratoga: Well, that's H10 and e200, c200 and M;robe that don't then |
| 02:15:56 | Llorean | While iPod 1G, 2G, 3G, 4G, Video, Nano, Mini 1G and Mini 2G all can be seen without backlight. |
| 02:16:21 | * | wpyh would hate the wps to freeze on his ipod video if the backlight is off |
| 02:16:36 | saratoga | I don't think the WPS would freeze at 24MHz |
| 02:16:39 | Llorean | wpyh: I doubt it'd freeze, and in fact it probably wouldn't be noticeable for many WPSes |
| 02:16:44 | wpyh | ok, grepping the source (and reading system.c), I found out that boost is controlled by calling cpu_boost() |
| 02:16:59 | saratoga | its mostly just menus that are sensitive to clock speed right? |
| 02:17:02 | wpyh | Llorean: what I mean is not updating the screen while the backlight is off :p |
| 02:17:04 | Llorean | saratoga: I'm not against GUI boosting, in fact I like the idea. I just think it needs to be tuned somehow so WPS updates get enough priority. |
| 02:17:29 | wpyh | Llorean: then up the priority for the wps or... use multiple boost levels ;) |
| 02:17:51 | Llorean | wpyh: Please shut up about the idea. Neither of the two of us like it, and we don't need you to continue pitching it at us. |
| 02:17:52 | wpyh | so for example, the APE codec would run cpu_boost(true);cpu_boost(true);cpu_boost(true); |
| 02:18:08 | saratoga | wpyh: how about you go away |
| 02:18:15 | Llorean | saratoga: Mainly menus, yes. |
| 02:18:17 | * | wpyh puts on his flameproof suit |
| 02:18:41 | wpyh | well, ok, I'll go away for now |
| 02:18:51 | wpyh | maybe my idea was not so good, so I'll rethink it |
| 02:18:52 | saratoga | and menus only matter if the buttons are in use |
| 02:19:06 | saratoga | so some sort of GUI boosting should be possible |
| 02:19:44 | Llorean | Though I've never seen peakmeters on a 5G |
| 02:19:47 | saratoga | compared to back light boosting is pretty cheap, so even a long boost time out would probably be more then compensated for by the lower core clock speed, particularly if we ever get faster codecs |
| 02:20:04 | Llorean | Well for menus, the boost timeout can be very, very quick |
| 02:20:15 | Llorean | boost when a button is pressed, unboost if nothing has been pressed for half a second. |
| 02:20:22 | saratoga | peakmeters don't lag at all on the e200 at 30MHz, but it also has a very fast screen so I don't know |
| 02:20:27 | Llorean | It's not like there's any reason to keep it boosted when the UI isn't moving. |
| 02:20:41 | saratoga | thats true |
| 02:21:02 | Llorean | My original thought was that it can be tied to the backlight, but that's not suited for blind users. And there's no reason to make it wait even that long. |
| 02:21:35 | saratoga | do blind users need GUI boosting ? |
| 02:21:46 | saratoga | I have no idea how CPU intensive the voice interface is |
| 02:21:54 | Llorean | Well, but they still need to scroll long lists. |
| 02:22:09 | Llorean | And whether the screen is being looked at or not, if scrolling is laggy it's laggy. |
| 02:23:00 | saratoga | is lag noticable though if you have to wait for the UI to speak anyway? (i've never used voice) |
| 02:23:42 | saratoga | I guess it depends if the voice is in synch with gui updates |
| 02:23:44 | Llorean | I don't know, honestly. I don't have a suitably laggy target. |
| 02:24:01 | Llorean | But I imagine if you're scrolling a long list, you'll just be listening to fractions of noises |
| 02:24:12 | Llorean | "Ay...Bee....Cha....Ho..." |
| 02:24:16 | saratoga | yeah i kind of want to try a 5G, the e200 is quite quick |
| 02:24:37 | Llorean | The faster you can interrupt, skip a few, and hear a syllable, the better. |
| 02:24:43 | saratoga | ah i see |
| 02:24:47 | Llorean | At least in my mind. |
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| 02:25:13 | saratoga | regardless i think you're right that it doesn't make sense to sync it to the back light anyway on a lot of targets |
| 02:25:20 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 02:26:32 | Llorean | I wonder how much the WPS itself can be optimized. |
| 02:26:47 | Llorean | Weren't there significant differences in battery time if players were left in the menu instead of the WPS? |
| 02:26:53 | saratoga | yes there were |
| 02:27:05 | saratoga | i think Buschel said on the 5G the WPS screen used something like 2MHz |
| 02:27:28 | Llorean | And WPS optimization would benefit every codec at once. |
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| 02:27:58 | saratoga | true, though saving a 1MHz (optimistically) is not going to make a big difference |
| 02:28:29 | saratoga | I suppose the most obvious thing to do would be to update the WPS less frequently if the back light is off |
| 02:29:10 | saratoga | actually i never really understood why the WPS used so much CPU time |
| 02:29:31 | saratoga | is it just continually redrawing a couple times a second even if nothing changes? |
| 02:29:37 | Llorean | Without scrolling lines and a peakmeter, it should only update once per second, right? |
| 02:29:40 | Llorean | And even then, only partially? |
| 02:30:00 | saratoga | i think so, though i don't know how any of this works |
| 02:30:37 | Llorean | You were working on getting profiling working again, weren't you? |
| 02:30:48 | saratoga | i spent a while on it but eventually gave up |
| 02:30:53 | Llorean | Ah wel |
| 02:30:58 | saratoga | i don't really understand how the process works |
| 02:31:10 | saratoga | so it ended up being easier just commenting out functions and taking a before/after benchmark |
| 02:31:15 | Llorean | Hah |
| 02:31:22 | Llorean | It was lostlogic who put it together initially? |
| 02:31:34 | saratoga | i don't know where it came from |
| 02:31:52 | wpyh | Buschel: regarding my idea about testing playback with one single song to eliminate disk issues / pio mode / etc |
| 02:32:16 | saratoga | eventually I want to ask the emulator guy if he can send me an arm VM with linux or something on it, then I can make a Rockbox as An App and hopefully profile that way |
| 02:33:57 | wpyh | Buschel: if now we use an mp3 file big enough to fill almost the entire buffer (like maybe 50MB on the 80GB model with 64MB RAM), will it read the song part by part from the disk and use the maximum available memory to buffer the pcm, or will it buffer the file and decode every time? |
| 02:34:25 | wpyh | Buschel: for RB I think it will buffer the file and decode every time right? |
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| 02:34:44 | saratoga | the PCM buffer is pretty small |
| 02:34:54 | Llorean | There's no sense wasting a lot of space on PCM buffer. |
| 02:34:55 | saratoga | it has to be since PCM is so huge |
| 02:37:28 | Llorean | Though I do think it still rebuffers ever time, which is no good. |
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| 02:43:22 | wpyh | I guess that's the case |
| 02:43:40 | wpyh | since reading from disk takes a long time and uses much power |
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| 02:44:06 | wpyh | well, in that case I think I can proceed with that idea |
| 02:44:22 | wpyh | this will eliminate disk activity from the final runtime |
| 02:44:37 | wpyh | uh, not entirely eliminate, but at least minimize it |
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| 02:52:15 | wpyh | one other thing: when comparing between the OF and RB, should I use the Database in RB? |
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| 02:52:26 | adsklj | hmm i'm kind of worried, the rockbock utility has been 'not responding' for 10 minutes |
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| 02:58:00 | wpyh | and here is a weird thing: when starting to play a file (17 MB 320kbps mp3), there is disk activity for ~ 15 seconds. does this mean that the read speed of the disk (CF card) is 1 MB/s? |
| 02:58:12 | wpyh | I mean, could it be that slow? |
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| 03:04:08 | wpyh | Buschel: also, do you know how the volume level is calibrated? A -30dB setting on my Video is equivalent to A -35dB setting on my Nano |
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| 03:08:17 | wastrel | is there file management on the device? deleting files? |
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| 03:10:07 | Llorean | wastrel: This is covered in the manual |
| 03:10:43 | Llorean | wpyh: Volume is hardware dependent, it's handled by the codec chip. |
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| 04:11:54 | wpyh | Unixnut: I don't see a success or failure in the irc logs |
| 04:12:16 | wpyh | Unixnut: please post your results here so we know what's the issue. Thanks :) |
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| 04:24:02 | adamgolding | is there a way to do sync with rockbox? |
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| 04:45:06 | B-Dawk20 | hey I'm having some issues with the iTunesDBtoTagCache program |
| 04:45:22 | B-Dawk20 | I am just really confused about the whole process and I don't know what I'm doing wrong |
| 04:48:21 | B-Dawk20 | guess nobody is here... |
| 04:49:19 | advcomp2019 | B-Dawk20, just hold on |
| 04:49:29 | B-Dawk20 | oh ok thank you |
| 04:50:41 | advcomp2019 | not everyone is at their computers or awake right now |
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| 04:51:26 | B-Dawk20 | I guess that is true. I just figured someone might be here since it is a bigger irc channel(tho I've seen much bigger). |
| 04:54:11 | krazykit | B-Dawk20, you don't need that program. rockbox generates its own database, assuming your metadata is correct. |
| 04:54:40 | B-Dawk20 | Well see here is my issue |
| 04:54:45 | B-Dawk20 | that part isn't working |
| 04:55:15 | B-Dawk20 | It trys to initilize, then asks to reboot. I reboot and then it tells me to do it again |
| 04:55:40 | B-Dawk20 | I have a thread up and I'd figure I would try this until I get some more responses |
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| 04:56:12 | B-Dawk20 | When I tried this, I just seemed to fail at even following the directions |
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| 05:07:37 | adamgolding | krazykit how does one sync files with the rockbox device? |
| 05:07:45 | adamgolding | i.e. have it automatically sync when plugging in the device? |
| 05:08:36 | krazykit | adamgolding, depends on how you set it up. rockbox devices just show up as mass storage devices. you can sync it how you want |
| 05:09:04 | adamgolding | ok but i imagine most file sync programs won't notice when the device is connected and do it automatically |
| 05:09:23 | krazykit | not really a rockbox issue. |
| 05:11:02 | adamgolding | hrm, so rockbox has no particular functional built-in for this? |
| 05:11:17 | krazykit | no. |
| 05:11:22 | adamgolding | and the rockbox database isn't set to interact with otehrs, say the foobar2000 database etc? |
| 05:11:49 | krazykit | also no. |
| 05:11:56 | adamgolding | ok, just checking. |
| 05:12:22 | adamgolding | nevertheless, i imagine some rockbox users have already found some convienient solutions for this. how do you do it? just move everything manually in explorer? |
| 05:13:04 | krazykit | i use rsync in linux. i wouldn't know what windows people use. |
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| 05:13:45 | adamgolding | ah |
| 05:14:30 | adamgolding | k thanks for the info |
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| 05:18:33 | B-Dawk20 | Ok since I found out why this itunesdbtotagcache isn't working I'll change my focus to the database issue im having. |
| 05:19:23 | B-Dawk20 | When I build the database from the ipod itself and it asks me to reboot, it starts by committing 1/9 then from there it stops and then tells me to do the whole thing again |
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| 05:19:48 | B-Dawk20 | I'm then left with some temporary tcg file that I can't do a thing with. |
| 05:23:11 | B-Dawk20 | at this point(about 6 hours with rockbox) I'm just tempted to use ephpod and rip all my music from my ipod then just put it in a random folder in the root and go from there |
| 05:23:40 | B-Dawk20 | I wanna use rockbox badly....but this issue is just too frustrating to get past ~_~ |
| 05:23:59 | krazykit | B-Dawk20, it might be choking on one of your files. you could put half of them on your DAP, see if you can initialize the database, if you can, put on the other half. then do half of that, continue til you find the file |
| 05:24:29 | B-Dawk20 | DAP? |
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| 05:25:06 | krazykit | digital audio player |
| 05:25:11 | krazykit | ipod. whatever. |
| 05:25:19 | B-Dawk20 | oh lol just wiki'd |
| 05:25:34 | B-Dawk20 | Hmm that is a lot of files... |
| 05:25:44 | B-Dawk20 | oh well. |
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| 05:45:10 | B-Dawk20 | Ok so here is my plan. I'm going to copy about 4GB of space on my ipod and send it to my hard drive. I'll delete that stuff from my ipod, then copy all the info left onto a directory on my ipod |
| 05:45:39 | B-Dawk20 | From there, I will delete all the stuff from the itunes directory and I'll never need to initialize again |
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| 05:46:02 | B-Dawk20 | oh and bring back the stuff from the hard drive as well |
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| 06:03:01 | adamgolding | i've got an ipod 80gb. is there a way to have rockbox keep playing music when i plug it in to charge? |
| 06:03:03 | Shaid | B-Dawk20: are you on a windows xp? |
| 06:03:18 | Shaid | adamgolding: hold down menu as you plug the cable in. |
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| 06:22:31 | adamgolding | when i hold the menu button down when pluggin in the cable, windows complains that it can't find the driver and it doesn't show up in explorer. is it not possible to add musci while listening to the ipod? |
| 06:23:19 | Shaid | not at this stage. |
| 06:23:38 | krazykit | rockbox has not USB mode for ipods, and that won't be possible regardless |
| 06:23:52 | krazykit | you can't have 2 things accessing the disk like that |
| 06:24:45 | adamgolding | ok |
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| 06:34:29 | sgfsdfgsdfg | "you msut restore this ipod before it can be used with itunes" |
| 06:34:45 | sgfsdfgsdfg | i tunes wasn't even open and it opened itself and says this each time |
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| 06:37:11 | [1]cool_walking_ | adamgolding, iTunes has a service that runs in the background. |
| 06:38:07 | [1]cool_walking_ | What's the problem? Is your iPod not in recovery mode? |
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| 07:24:09 | hfsplus | Hi, I'm getting an error 'can't load rockbox.ipod file not found'. I just installed rockbox using the rbutil |
| 07:24:13 | hfsplus | how do I fix this? |
| 07:25:04 | krazykit | hfsplus, sounds like you installed only the bootloader. |
| 07:25:23 | hfsplus | well, I hit install all |
| 07:25:29 | hfsplus | hm, so d/l and install the rockbox.zip? |
| 07:26:00 | krazykit | you could. check your ipod's root directory for a .rockbox directory containing rockbox.ipod |
| 07:26:41 | hfsplus | ahh fixedx |
| 07:26:45 | hfsplus | that was very odd |
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| 07:29:55 | hfsplus | thanks krazykit |
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| 07:54:41 | Buschel | wpyh/saratoga/Llorean: about your clocking discussion last night -> setting normal clock to 24MHz isn't that bad for WPS with scrolling etc. Main issue i have on my 5G is sluggishness when scrolling in menus and folders. |
| 07:56:18 | Buschel | this can be solved via the "gui-boost" on button activity. but the gui-boost solution is not elegant when you are using games for example. the cpu will boost/unboost on each button activity −− wil get quite jumpy :-) |
| 07:56:40 | Buschel | maybe the gui-boost should only be active when browsing in menus and/or folders... |
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| 07:59:05 | Buschel | i could clearly see issues with WPS-scrolling when using normal clocks @12 or @15MHz |
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| 08:01:01 | Buschel | to sum it up: changing normal clock from 30->24MHz shouldn't visibly affect gui on most targets (except 5G). but the change will bring ~2mA possible savings for flac/mpc. |
| 08:01:30 | Buschel | for the 5G there needs to be solution found which can boost the CPU while browising |
| 08:01:37 | Buschel | *browsing |
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| 08:02:18 | Buschel | the gui-boost in FS #8668 is just a first attempt |
| 08:02:26 | Slasheri | B-Dawk20: please check if your filesystem is corrupt |
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| 08:11:22 | amiconn | Buschel: What's needed is proper optimisation of mono bitmap drawing in the 16 bit lcd driver |
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| 08:14:02 | Buschel | amiconn: when checking the LCDFrameRate page i can see that all targets (excpet 5G) have quite good framerates even @24MHz |
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| 08:17:37 | amiconn | 30 fps isn't that bad |
| 08:18:34 | Buschel | amiconn: but the ui feels sluggish (menu + folder browsing) −− maybe there's another reason... |
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| 08:18:43 | amiconn | And the mono bitmap drawing is a known problem: Try to scroll 2 large folders, one containing files with short filenames, one containing files with very long filenames (preferably covering the complete line) |
| 08:19:09 | amiconn | See the difference? That can't be caused by the refresh, because the refresh is the same in both cases |
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| 08:20:00 | amiconn | It's just that I (still) didn't start optimising because doing it properly also needs a performance test plugin, which I've been too lazy to write so far :/ |
| 08:20:50 | Buschel | amiconn: i'll check with short and long filenames. so, the mono bitmap drawing does the drawing of the text lines? |
| 08:21:57 | amiconn | Yes. Every glyph is a mono bitmap |
| 08:22:31 | Buschel | and the high resolution of the display and the use of smaller fonts (on 5G) slow the ui down that much... |
| 08:22:36 | amiconn | This does in fact affect all colour targets, it's just most visible on G5 because of the combination of a large lcd with relatively slow cpu |
| 08:22:53 | Buschel | ok, understood |
| 08:23:18 | amiconn | I still suspect that an optimisation done by the early gigabeat f/x porters slows things down... but that needs the test plugin as well |
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| 08:24:18 | Buschel | so, if this drawing could be optimized, changing the normal clock to somewhere <30MHz could be working well? |
| 08:27:25 | Buschel | gotta go to work, see you |
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| 08:43:47 | LinusN | FuriousGeorge: even cooler :-) |
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| 08:48:18 | GodEater | so how many years before our code base is as large as linux's ? ;) |
| 08:50:37 | B-Dawk20 | Oh and thanks for everyone who tried to help and no, nothing was corrupt or wrong about my ipod. I back up almost all my music so I decided to delete it all, and just do the copy/paste method so I never have this database issue |
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| 09:50:22 | mihaicapota | Hello! I just registered on the wiki as MihaiC and I'd like to upload an FM presets list for my city, Bucharest |
| 09:51:33 | GodEater | mihaicapota: unfortunately you appear to have missed the naming convention we ask people to use on the Wiki |
| 09:52:20 | GodEater | Could you check it again, and perhaps re-register with your name in the right format? And then someone here can grant you write permissions... |
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| 10:01:37 | mihaicapota | I tried to register with my name, Mihai Capotă, which I use on Wikipedia and other places, but because of the diacritic letter I got an error. |
| 10:01:37 | mihaicapota | I missread the error message and registered with the single letter last name |
| 10:01:37 | mihaicapota | As I can't use my full last name, what do you suggest I should do? |
| 10:02:01 | LinusN | How about "Mihai Capota"? |
| 10:03:08 | mihaicapota | It's true that I use mihaicapota as a nickname, but that's not my last name. |
| 10:05:56 | petur | close enough? |
| 10:06:20 | * | GodEater is somewhat surprised twiki chokes on this character |
| 10:06:47 | mihaicapota | close, but no cigar |
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| 10:22:03 | LinusN | there is a patch that makes twiki handle diacritics better, but as a short-term solution, i suggest you register with your full name, but set the wikiname to MihaiCapota |
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| 10:22:28 | markun | we can rename it later after a twiki upgrade |
| 10:22:52 | markun | (or at least LinusN can) |
| 10:22:55 | mihaicapota | ok, that works for me |
| 10:25:29 | mihaicapota | I registered as MihaiCapota |
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| 10:26:58 | markun | mihaicapota: ok, you should have write permission now |
| 10:28:05 | markun | sorry for all the trouble, but we had some problems in the past with bots spaming our wiki |
| 10:28:58 | mihaicapota | no trouble, but you should upgrade the wiki to allow unicode names |
| 10:29:48 | markun | we need that anyway for all the chinese people who join after the meizu port ;) |
| 10:30:21 | gevaerts | Yes. That's why we're not working hard on the meizu port right now |
| 10:30:42 | * | gevaerts finally found an excuse ;) |
| 10:30:59 | mihaicapota | :) |
| 10:31:31 | markun | gevaerts: I hope we can make a least a little progress during devcon.. |
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| 10:33:29 | gevaerts | markun: we can at least try :) |
| 10:34:05 | petur | after the h300 bootloader debugging... ;) |
| 10:34:45 | * | gevaerts guesses that these actually involve different people |
| 10:35:19 | petur | probably.... I'd really like jhMikeS to be there... |
| 10:36:04 | markun | would be nice to meet in person anyway |
| 10:36:20 | petur | indeed |
| 10:38:11 | hfsplus | Can Rockbox play ogg theora video, or only mpeg? |
| 10:38:15 | mihaicapota | I uploaded the preset for Bucharest |
| 10:38:27 | LinusN | mihaicapota: thanks! |
| 10:38:33 | GodEater | hfsplus: only mpeg1 and mpeg2 |
| 10:38:47 | * | LinusN has built a TBLCF BDM adapter |
| 10:38:48 | hfsplus | Ahh curses. |
| 10:39:04 | * | hfsplus wants a pmp that can do ogg theora video |
| 10:39:24 | * | gevaerts hands hfsplus a compiler and the theora specs |
| 10:39:27 | GodEater | hfsplus: our wiki page on the mpegplayer plugin has a decent guide on how to transcode though |
| 10:39:44 | hfsplus | gevaerts: lol |
| 10:39:54 | hfsplus | GodEater: allrighty, I shall check it out. |
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| 10:53:18 | mihaicapota | I found another unicode-related problem with the wiki. |
| 10:53:19 | mihaicapota | First I uploaded a file named București.fmr (that is the Romanian name) and it appeared as Bucure#537ti.fmr; I then uploaded Bucharest.fmr which is now on the presets page. |
| 10:53:19 | mihaicapota | However, I can't delete the first attachment: "During move of attachment Bucure to . an error was found. Please notify your TWiki administrator. Attachment does not exist". It seems that the wiki truncates the name to "Bucure". |
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| 10:53:19 | mihaicapota | I'm sure there's not much you can do about it, but I thought you should no nevertheless as I see there are other non-ASCII file names. For example, the following link isn't working http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/FmPresetsEurope/N%C3%BCrnberg-Nuremberg.fmr |
| 10:54:39 | pixelma | hmm... works for me |
| 10:55:52 | pixelma | but maybe because the website is in latin-1 for me |
| 10:57:19 | mihaicapota | I tried Firefox, Opera and wget. |
| 10:57:19 | petur | not working here.... |
| 10:58:48 | pixelma | as a test you could try changing the encoding settings in e.g. Firefox to "Western (ISO-8859-1)" |
| 10:59:11 | petur | it already is |
| 10:59:26 | pixelma | weird |
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| 11:00:06 | mihaicapota | It's also "Western (ISO-8859-1)" here |
| 11:00:15 | petur | must be the irc client |
| 11:00:23 | petur | ie the encoding of the url |
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| 11:00:54 | pixelma | well, I tried the link from the page not from the IRC client |
| 11:01:03 | gevaerts | N%C3%BCrnberg looks like encoded utf8 that was misparsed as latin1 to me |
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| 11:02:07 | petur | yes, the errormessage ff gives me is utf |
| 11:02:58 | gevaerts | I can't open it from the wiki page either (I tried bith utf8 and latin1) |
| 11:03:22 | pixelma | besides - the naming of the file is a bit stupid because it's saying Nuremberg twice... |
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| 11:59:08 | VoltageX | what is required to start a new rockbox port? |
| 11:59:26 | preglow | skill and time |
| 11:59:32 | B4gder | and a target |
| 11:59:34 | VoltageX | time I have |
| 11:59:39 | VoltageX | skills I don't |
| 11:59:43 | VoltageX | targets I have |
| 11:59:44 | VoltageX | :P |
| 11:59:47 | PaulJam_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=NewPort |
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| 12:00:05 | VoltageX | would 2 or more iRiver E100s supplied to developers help? |
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| 12:00:30 | B4gder | I doubt it |
| 12:00:36 | VoltageX | well damn. |
| 12:00:43 | B4gder | we have a large amount of ports in the queue already |
| 12:00:50 | VoltageX | ok |
| 12:00:52 | VoltageX | I can wait |
| 12:01:02 | gevaerts | Most developers already have their personal stash of players that they want a port for |
| 12:01:13 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 12:01:13 | * | preglow looks at his d2 |
| 12:01:27 | gevaerts | So new devices often require (and get) new developers |
| 12:01:31 | VoltageX | ok, wonder how many years it would take me to develop the skills to port -_- |
| 12:01:55 | B4gder | VoltageX: others have taken that path and done good work |
| 12:01:58 | gevaerts | Depends on what "no skills" means in your case |
| 12:02:11 | GodEater | and depends on how much of your time you want to devote to it |
| 12:02:15 | VoltageX | gevaerts: basic C |
| 12:02:33 | VoltageX | GodEater: I really really really want to learn C, so that part isn't too bad |
| 12:03:09 | VoltageX | and I guess I'd need some amazing skills to write a bootloader... |
| 12:04:37 | VoltageX | but at least the target is nice and cheap - $90AUD |
| 12:04:57 | * | MTee wants to know the answer to VoltageX's question |
| 12:05:16 | VoltageX | MTee which question? |
| 12:05:53 | MTee | about the time needed to be able to port |
| 12:05:54 | gevaerts | Start by reading the NewPort page that PaulJam linked to. There is a lot to be done before even thinking about the bootloader |
| 12:06:12 | VoltageX | gevaerts: yeah but that part scares me the most :P |
| 12:07:14 | gevaerts | VoltageX: the bits about disassembling are usually the scary parts. There are real risks there |
| 12:07:29 | GodEater | MTee: there isn't an answer to that question - it's not quantifiable. |
| 12:07:50 | VoltageX | gevaerts: I'll be buying 2 of these units |
| 12:08:30 | VoltageX | the one I have now is precious |
| 12:08:31 | VoltageX | :D |
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| 12:09:05 | gevaerts | Speaking of new ports, shouldn't some of the newer sansa ports be moved from 'Pre-Development Ports' to ' New Ports' on the TargetStatus page ? They now have running code |
| 12:09:21 | * | preglow wonders if a multiple backend ata driver belongs in target/ or firmware/ |
| 12:10:15 | preglow | i need one for d2, sd and internal flash :/ |
| 12:10:54 | gevaerts | Good :) |
| 12:11:29 | * | gevaerts thinks that ata needs a bit more abstraction, so someone needing that is good news |
| 12:11:30 | preglow | any ideas on where it belongs, though? such a thing might be needed for other targets, and can be reused if not placed in target/( |
| 12:12:32 | preglow | but i haven't given it too much thought, really. currently i'm just thinking of making ata_* wrappers that call whatever it's supposed to, depending on the drive argument |
| 12:12:38 | gevaerts | I'd say in firmware/, and go for maximum reuse |
| 12:12:40 | preglow | probably using ifdefs |
| 12:13:31 | gevaerts | If at some point we get working usb host, we will need an even more advanced version of this for mass storage |
| 12:13:44 | preglow | i might also go for a table based approach, though, for less messy ifdefs, but more code size |
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| 12:14:42 | VoltageX | my second h300 died too....... :( |
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| 12:18:12 | VoltageX | ah, problem 1 with a potential E100 port. Moulded case, no visible screws |
| 12:19:10 | * | gevaerts resists the "then you're screwed" reply |
| 12:19:40 | VoltageX | flat head screwdriver should work |
| 12:19:47 | VoltageX | but not til i get a second unit :P |
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| 12:20:55 | preglow | gevaerts: i don't know if it makes sense to abstract ata further for targets with simple ata handling, though, so i don't think we should abstract things too much for everything |
| 12:21:15 | preglow | gevaerts: for know i'll just make a firmware/drivers/ata_wrapper.c. ideas on how to deal with things are welcome |
| 12:21:19 | preglow | s/know/now/ |
| 12:22:58 | gevaerts | preglow: a wrapper that just calls one function on single-disk targets (doable with some #ifdefs in there) that's inlineable should (I hope) optimize out to nothing. |
| 12:23:33 | preglow | gevaerts: oh, sure, if i implement it as a header, but that wouldn't work too nicely with function pointers, would it? |
| 12:23:46 | gevaerts | It would require a global refactoring of all ata_* users (or drivers) though, since you really need to call the wrapper |
| 12:24:27 | preglow | can't say i'm too keen on that right now... |
| 12:25:03 | preglow | would be nice if we stopped assuming we're always using ata, though |
| 12:25:19 | gevaerts | If you don't, your drivers will need non-standard function names, so they can'tr be reused "normally" later |
| 12:26:38 | * | gevaerts votes to put it on the devcon agenda |
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| 12:27:16 | preglow | alright, in which case i'll make a d2 specific bugger right now :> |
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| 12:29:29 | susafder | i qm considering rockbox for my sansa e260 how easy will it be to add a function delete file whenever i listen to a file i do not like |
| 12:30:13 | gevaerts | Deleting a file in rockbox while you're listening to it requires about three keypresses I think |
| 12:30:45 | susafder | but can i edit the source of rockbox easyly |
| 12:30:49 | susafder | easily |
| 12:30:50 | preglow | sure |
| 12:31:00 | susafder | to change that |
| 12:31:14 | susafder | what language is been used |
| 12:31:27 | preglow | c |
| 12:31:37 | pixelma | why change? |
| 12:31:37 | susafder | does the firmware then compiles with gcc |
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| 12:31:45 | preglow | yes, we use gcc |
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| 12:34:14 | susafder | excelent I want to change to be sure it dfits my need . I am one handed multiples keystroke while holding the player in the hand is sometimes difficult |
| 12:35:00 | preglow | depends on the player you have, i guess, using my h120 one-handed is quite simple |
| 12:36:48 | susafder | i should be getting an e260 sansa . but now i am checking It will be able to do the hacks first |
| 12:38:40 | susafder | well thanks for the information it looks like this is the right way to go for me |
| 12:39:23 | gevaerts | If you get an e260, make sure it's a v1 |
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| 15:18:04 | Davizzle | Hi Folks |
| 15:18:14 | Davizzle | ah here we are :) |
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| 15:19:18 | Davizzle | Can somebody pls help me ? I have a color problem after updating my ipod photo 20gb |
| 15:19:33 | Davizzle | it is like in the thread " Ipod photo 40gb has bad resolution, all the colours are wrong" |
| 15:19:47 | Davizzle | but i dont understand what to do |
| 15:19:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | What SVN revision are you running? Go to System > Rockbox Info. |
| 15:20:23 | Davizzle | at first i had the newest release, but had minor bugs. So i tried the stable version (not daily) and now both versions give me that ugly color bug :( |
| 15:20:45 | Davizzle | kk one sec |
| 15:21:17 | Davizzle | do you mean r17734 ? |
| 15:21:38 | Davizzle | this was the version that worked for me after the first installation, but had those minor bugs. So i went to the 32 |
| 15:21:52 | Davizzle | got the color prog. And now it is in both versions |
| 15:22:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Okay, now do the following... from the root menu: System > Debug > View HW info. |
| 15:22:23 | Davizzle | 1.0 |
| 15:22:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | What do the fields HW rev and LCD type say? |
| 15:22:52 | Davizzle | hw is 0x00060000 |
| 15:22:58 | Davizzle | and lcd is 0 |
| 15:23:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | Okay, I have a partial fix already for the LCD, but my HW rev is 0x00060004. |
| 15:23:52 | Davizzle | what does that mean ? |
| 15:24:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | I have a slightly different hardware revision of 4G iPod color. |
| 15:24:19 | Davizzle | and how is it possible that after the first installation everything is working. and now not even after the 100000 installation :D |
| 15:24:25 | Davizzle | ah |
| 15:25:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | Because some other people with similar hardware have had issues (as you saw on the forum thread mentioned), and we had some code added from iPodLinux that was supposed to fix the issue, but ended up breaking something else. |
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| 15:25:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | The last SVN build that has no issues of any sort is r17714. You can download that here: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodcolor/rockbox-ipodcolor-20080612.zip |
| 15:25:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | And hang onto the zip file for it. |
| 15:26:14 | Davizzle | so just delete the folder .rockbox and copy the new one ? |
| 15:26:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | No need. Just unzip into the root of your iPod and let it overwrite it. |
| 15:26:44 | Davizzle | k i try |
| 15:28:55 | Davizzle | ah seems to work :) |
| 15:28:58 | Davizzle | thank you |
| 15:29:11 | Davizzle | what if i try to update now to the newest version ? |
| 15:29:21 | Davizzle | wouldnt help i guess |
| 15:29:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | It'll corrupt the bitmaps again. |
| 15:30:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Until I can make sure that the fix I have doesn't break other iPod color HW revisions, I can't exactly post a patch. |
| 15:30:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | Unless you're willing to help test the patch. |
| 15:31:33 | Davizzle | this works how exactly ? im really not good in programming and stuff |
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| 15:32:23 | MarcGuay | Howdy y'all. How many different versions of the m200 are there? And LambdaCalculus37: What was the way into USB boot mode again? |
| 15:32:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Howdy! Four revisions of the hardware, as far as I know. |
| 15:32:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | V1 and V2 are NAND, V3 is HARP, and V4 is AMS-based. |
| 15:33:03 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: And I thought the v1/v2 thing was a bit much. Damn. |
| 15:33:37 | MarcGuay | Saw one for sale locally and am wondering if I could do anything useful with it. |
| 15:33:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davizzle: I don't have my laptop with me today, so I can't compile a build for you right now. But can you come into the IRC channel once in a while to see if I'm here? |
| 15:34:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | When I can get a little chance, I'll compile a build for you and have you just copy it to your iPod and test it. |
| 15:36:44 | Davizzle | yeah of course |
| 15:37:14 | Davizzle | if you want you can email me 2 |
| 15:37:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: An m200? Sure, grab it. :) |
| 15:37:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davizzle: I prefer that things are done here in IRC. :) |
| 15:37:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | Because the channel is logged so the devs can keep up with development-related tasks (which is what this channel's all about). |
| 15:38:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: On the m200's, a little violence is required to get into USB boot mode. Basically you have to open it up and take the NAND daughterboard off the mainboard, then plug it into your PC. |
| 15:39:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | The LCD doesn't show anything, but running dmesg will reveal a device has been connected; that's USB boot mode. |
| 15:39:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | And tcctool should find the device and allow you to upload code. |
| 15:39:29 | * | LambdaCalculus37 takes a breath... whew! |
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| 15:40:05 | Davizzle | kkkk i think i should get an irc client |
| 15:40:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davizzle: Google for Mibbit. It's an excellent web-based IRC client. |
| 15:41:38 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: That's only for the telechips/V1's, right? |
| 15:42:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: V1 and V2. It *may* work on the V3 and V4, but for the V3, I have to wait until I get shotofadds' m230. |
| 15:42:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | And I sent him my v1 m240 so he can have a look at how to get a NAND driver working. |
| 15:42:54 | Davizzle | a one last question. In the newest build i had a rockbox default theme. very nice with nice icons |
| 15:43:02 | Davizzle | how can i get them into that build here ? |
| 15:43:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | It should still be there. Unzipping a new Rockbox build on top of an old one should not overwrite any WPSes, config files, or anything like that. Just the vital system files. |
| 15:43:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | You can check your theme settings to find the theme you want to use. |
| 15:44:23 | Davizzle | i did |
| 15:44:37 | Davizzle | all themes have the same style |
| 15:44:44 | Davizzle | one color icons |
| 15:45:24 | Davizzle | i made a color reset |
| 15:45:30 | Davizzle | but thats 10 installations ago :D |
| 15:46:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | Does CabbieV2 display correctly, at least? |
| 15:46:59 | Davizzle | all the wps files gimme the same look :/ |
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| 15:47:20 | Davizzle | the same |
| 15:47:23 | Davizzle | all white |
| 15:47:27 | Davizzle | and same icons |
| 15:47:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Reset your settings, then try again. |
| 15:49:18 | Davizzle | ah colored icons |
| 15:49:26 | Davizzle | but now i cannot change again |
| 15:49:37 | Davizzle | every wps file gives me the same colored icons |
| 15:50:06 | PaulJam | Davizzle: browse themes, not wps files. |
| 15:50:34 | Davizzle | same |
| 15:51:01 | Davizzle | icons do not change |
| 15:52:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Most themes use the same icons. |
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| 15:54:28 | Davizzle | :/ |
| 15:54:38 | Davizzle | but at least it is working again :) thanks alot |
| 15:54:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | There are more icon sets here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets |
| 15:54:57 | PaulJam | i think from the shipped themes only cabbiev2 uses the colured icons. the other themes use the monochrome default icons. |
| 15:55:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | PaulJam: Yes, but you can also set the icon sets manually. |
| 15:55:59 | PaulJam | not from within rockbox. you need to load a .cfg that specifies the iconset |
| 15:56:50 | GodEater | that would be "from within rockbox" |
| 15:57:57 | PaulJam | what i meant is that you have to create a .cfg previously on the pc unless a cfg is already supplied with the iconset. |
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| 15:59:20 | PaulJam | there is for example no cfg shipped for the tango_small iconset even though the iconset is included |
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| 16:04:37 | Davizzl3 | here we go |
| 16:04:46 | Davizzl3 | kk mibbit is on :) |
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| 16:12:02 | MarcGuay | I am the man. Figured out that weird button problem on the c100. |
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| 16:13:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: What was the problem? |
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| 16:13:59 | MarcGuay | Clarifier: I am the man to myself, to others I'm sure it's child's play. GPIOA_DIR |= 0xC was at the beginning of that key test and for whatever reason, it fixes it up. |
| 16:14:51 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: There were 2 sets of three buttons each in the GPIOA and I couldn't figure out how to distinguish between them. |
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| 16:19:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Not bad. :) |
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| 16:28:14 | Genre9mp3 | Eeer... since when do we support this?: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomFiletypeColours |
| 16:29:15 | PaulJam | Genre9mp3: since ages? |
| 16:29:43 | Genre9mp3 | PaulJam: define "ages" |
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| 16:30:17 | MarcGuay | It's interesting, I'd never heard of it. Big-up to Eddy for going on a documentation binge! |
| 16:30:35 | Genre9mp3 | Never heard of it before either |
| 16:32:06 | gevaerts | Since r13656 apparently |
| 16:32:38 | Davizzl3 | is it normal that my ipod color charges with the usb cable for ages ?!?! |
| 16:32:50 | Davizzl3 | with rockbox on it of course |
| 16:33:01 | gevaerts | Originally .colors, but .colours since exactly one year now |
| 16:33:32 | Davizzl3 | when i disconnect it says 96% full but the 4% now take like 1 hour |
| 16:34:09 | Davizzl3 | i am afraid a bit of destroying the battery |
| 16:34:30 | Genre9mp3 | gevaerts: thanks |
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| 16:35:09 | gevaerts | Davizzl3: I'm not sure, but on at least some ipods with rockbox charging only uses 100mA, which results in very slow charging. I don't think this actually hurts, but I don't know much about it |
| 16:36:24 | * | Genre9mp3 starts thinking that he doesn't know Rockbox abilities as well as he thought he did :/ |
| 16:36:42 | gevaerts | Genre9mp3: svn log helps :) |
| 16:36:49 | * | Davizzl3 thinks that Genre9mp3 should not worry about that ;) |
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| 16:37:31 | MarcGuay | Davizzl3: You're better off using the Apple firmware to chagre, me thinks. |
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| 16:37:39 | MarcGuay | *charge |
| 16:37:49 | Davizzl3 | erm yeah kk .. erm... how ?! :D |
| 16:38:06 | MarcGuay | The same way as before? |
| 16:38:20 | Davizzl3 | uninstall rockbox just because of charging ?!?! |
| 16:38:29 | gevaerts | Doesn't it go to disk mode when plugging in ? |
| 16:38:37 | Genre9mp3 | gevaerts: I think it's more comfortable for me to just blame the manual! ;) |
| 16:38:48 | Davizzl3 | erm |
| 16:38:55 | Davizzl3 | erm |
| 16:39:05 | MarcGuay | gevaerts: Does on the nano... |
| 16:39:06 | Davizzl3 | it goes into a "mode" :D |
| 16:39:40 | PaulJam | Davizzl3: you can dual boot. this schould described in the getting started chapter of the manual. |
| 16:39:45 | Davizzl3 | uh |
| 16:39:46 | Davizzl3 | :D |
| 16:39:53 | scorche|sh | Genre9mp3: that was done during DCW2007 |
| 16:40:04 | * | Davizzl3 is walking through the manual now |
| 16:40:24 | Genre9mp3 | scorche|sh: oh? nice to know, thanks |
| 16:41:02 | * | gevaerts proposes that during DCE2008 the people who did that actually document it in the manual :) |
| 16:41:29 | scorche|sh | heh...yeah...it has been an undocumented feature for quite a while... |
| 16:41:30 | * | Genre9mp3 also wonders what happened to GBS support that was started during DCW2007 as well |
| 16:41:32 | Davizzl3 | erm PaulJam i cant find the part for dual booting in getting started |
| 16:42:22 | PaulJam | Davizzl3: sorry, it is in quick start |
| 16:42:24 | Davizzl3 | ah its erm at "3 Quick start" |
| 16:42:33 | Davizzl3 | :D |
| 16:43:11 | Genre9mp3 | ah... no progress as I can see in the tracker... :/ |
| 16:43:35 | Davizzl3 | lol either its a bug or a bug in rockbox |
| 16:43:42 | Davizzl3 | original firmware says fully loaded |
| 16:43:56 | Davizzl3 | lets change back to rockbox again |
| 16:44:04 | * | Davizzl3 is changing |
| 16:44:35 | MarcGuay | Davizzl3: How does the apple firmware tell you it's "full"? |
| 16:44:52 | Davizzl3 | actually its not telling |
| 16:44:52 | gevaerts | Davizzl3: when you plug in the usb cable while running rockbox, what sort of screen does it show ? |
| 16:44:58 | Davizzl3 | its giving me that sign in the battery |
| 16:45:34 | MarcGuay | Davizzl3: So it's possible that 96% to Rockbox is "Full" to the OF? |
| 16:45:44 | Davizzl3 | it shows this nice usb cable picture, reboots, and goes to some sort of disk mode which is different from the one i get if i use the "trick" for dual booting and getting into the original firmware |
| 16:46:15 | Davizzl3 | ok rockbox OS now shows the battery sign that looks fully loaded and now i plug the usb cable in |
| 16:46:20 | gevaerts | OK. That's the apple ROM diskmode, so if it behaves strangely while charging there, that's actually an Apple bug |
| 16:46:26 | Davizzl3 | lol |
| 16:46:38 | Davizzl3 | after plugging in, the battery looses some charge |
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| 16:46:45 | Davizzl3 | lol |
| 16:46:50 | Davizzl3 | goes into its mode |
| 16:46:53 | Davizzl3 | and its full |
| 16:46:58 | Davizzl3 | funny... |
| 16:47:27 | Davizzl3 | OMFG |
| 16:47:35 | MarcGuay | Davizzl3: I wouldn't worry about a few percent difference in battery reading. |
| 16:47:42 | Davizzl3 | now in rockbox the battery icon looks like its not fully loaded |
| 16:48:22 | Davizzl3 | how do i know which capacity my battery has |
| 16:48:40 | Davizzl3 | i would like trying to set the right one in the settings |
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| 16:50:49 | MarcGuay | Davizzl3: ? You mean the battery capacity setting? |
| 16:50:57 | Davizzl3 | yes, sir! |
| 16:51:30 | MarcGuay | Davizzl3: If you've never changed the battery, leave it at the default (or check the Apple website), and if you have changed the battery... Look at the packaging? |
| 16:51:39 | Davizzl3 | i never changed |
| 16:51:43 | Davizzl3 | it is the original one |
| 16:51:53 | MarcGuay | So I suppose you should leave it alone? |
| 16:51:58 | Davizzl3 | dunno |
| 16:52:01 | Davizzl3 | i am not the expert :D |
| 16:52:29 | MarcGuay | I'm being rhetorical as well as covering my ass. |
| 16:52:58 | MarcGuay | If you're not sure about something, it's usually best to leave it alone, in my humble experience. |
| 16:53:27 | Davizzl3 | i actually met murphy today as i tried to "change" something in my running system ... |
| 16:53:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davizzl3: Oi... stay on topic. |
| 16:53:48 | MarcGuay | How does the OF tell you the battery is full again? |
| 16:53:49 | * | LambdaCalculus37 points to the topic |
| 16:53:54 | Davizzl3 | ?! |
| 16:54:08 | MarcGuay | Davizzl3: By number or by illustration? |
| 16:54:17 | Davizzl3 | hey slow slow |
| 16:54:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: On the iPods, the battery charge indicator will stop blinking and changes its icon from a lightning bolt to a plug. |
| 16:54:31 | Davizzl3 | LambdaCalculus37: |
| 16:54:32 | Davizzl3 | yes |
| 16:54:48 | Davizzl3 | erm what do you mean by i should stay on topic |
| 16:55:00 | Davizzl3 | i am on topic |
| 16:55:23 | MarcGuay | So if your battery has been used a bit and it's new maximum capacity is 96%, will it still show that it's full when it gets there? |
| 16:55:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davizzl3: Just a small reminder. Since this channel is logged and is for technical purposes related to Rockbox, we try as hard as we can to not stray off topic. |
| 16:55:34 | Davizzl3 | i guess so |
| 16:55:54 | PaulJam | btw, the battery capacity setting is only used to calculate the estimated runtime. so even a wrong setting shouldn't affect rockbox' operation. |
| 16:56:00 | Davizzl3 | i understand, but still :) we didnt leave the topic |
| 16:56:16 | Davizzl3 | PaulJam: good 2 hear |
| 16:56:21 | Davizzl3 | erm ... rad |
| 16:56:24 | Davizzl3 | gnark |
| 16:56:24 | Davizzl3 | read |
| 16:56:40 | Davizzl3 | but i dont like "should" and "shouldn´t" |
| 16:56:59 | Davizzl3 | somehow this does not sound like 100% :) |
| 16:57:18 | gevaerts | It won't affect operation |
| 16:57:22 | scorche|sh | 'could you perhaps try to be...erm...less spammy? |
| 16:57:32 | * | gevaerts hopes that Davizzl3 is now happy |
| 16:57:42 | Davizzl3 | :) yes i am |
| 16:57:54 | Davizzl3 | i am not spammy. actually this is called conversation |
| 16:57:57 | MarcGuay | scorche|sh: Very diplomatic. :) |
| 16:59:09 | scorche|sh | Davizzl3: this is a technical IRC channel..not a social one or any other purpose...many of your lines do not really lend anything to the conversation and serve to just fill up the logs.. |
| 16:59:41 | Davizzl3 | okay okay. everything is good now :) But there is one thing i can not find in rockbox. When i turn off the OF and just push a button, it turns back in less than a sec. Is there a similar option in rockbox ? |
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| 17:00:12 | scorche|sh | thats better :) ...and no...Rockbox does not currently have a sleep option |
| 17:00:16 | markun | Davizzl3: we also have a nice social channel btw: #rockbox-community |
| 17:00:28 | Davizzl3 | ah |
| 17:00:32 | * | Davizzl3 didnt know |
| 17:00:43 | * | scorche|sh looks up to the topic |
| 17:04:59 | * | Davizzl3 is wondering if there will be ever a sleep option |
| 17:05:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | There is a sleep option. |
| 17:05:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | System > Sleep Timer |
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| 17:06:09 | Davizzl3 | But there is one thing i can not find in rockbox. When i turn off the OF and just push a button, it turns back in less than a sec. Is there a similar option in rockbox ? <−− more like that |
| 17:06:34 | Davizzl3 | thats one great feature in the OF |
| 17:06:39 | PaulJam | Davizzl3: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5112?histring=sleep |
| 17:06:40 | Davizzl3 | which should be adopted |
| 17:06:51 | markun | Davizzl3: some day.. |
| 17:06:56 | PaulJam | there is already a feature request for thet |
| 17:07:17 | scorche|sh | LambdaCalculus37: sleep...not sleep timer ;) |
| 17:07:21 | MarcGuay | markun: Howdy. Look at me, I'm on IRC. :) |
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| 17:08:26 | MarcGuay | markun: What's happening with the Meizu? Is all the action taking place elsewhere or is it just taking a nap? |
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| 17:09:19 | markun | nap |
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| 17:09:28 | Davizzl3 | PaulJam: ok so there are more ppl looking forward for a feature like i said :) |
| 17:09:29 | markun | I hope we can do some Meizu hacking at the devcon |
| 17:10:13 | scorche|sh | Davizzl3: there is likely a feature request already in the tracker for it |
| 17:10:31 | wpyh | Buschel: thanks for the research. I think we need to have a newer cpu boost mechanism −− one that can handle different cases gracefully. Since switching frequencies frequently seems expensive and will bring weird results, we can't use my suggestion (which was already rejected btw :p). We need something else... |
| 17:11:04 | wpyh | markun: you sure you want Chinese users to register using their Chinese names? :-\ |
| 17:11:17 | wpyh | markun: btw I'm looking forward to the Meizu Port ;) |
| 17:11:26 | markun | wpyh: no, of course I don't want that :) |
| 17:11:35 | scorche|sh | wpyh: well, there are romantic versions, no? |
| 17:11:57 | markun | romantic? |
| 17:12:18 | scorche|sh | using roman characters |
| 17:12:29 | Horscht | romanic |
| 17:12:49 | markun | a lot of them have english names as well, but I prefer just the romanized version of the chinese name |
| 17:13:09 | scorche|sh | erm....i blame the morning |
| 17:13:20 | wpyh | markun, scorche, all: I do prefer Pinyin or... what's that called, the one Taiwanese people use to write their names |
| 17:13:26 | wpyh | anyway it's all roman characters |
| 17:13:29 | markun | wpyh: bopomofo? |
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| 17:13:39 | markun | :) |
| 17:13:47 | wpyh | at least 99% of developers won't have trouble pronouncing them :p |
| 17:13:49 | markun | Wade-Giles maybe |
| 17:13:55 | wpyh | markun: no, not bopomofo... |
| 17:14:08 | markun | wpyh: except for the 'q' maybe |
| 17:14:09 | wpyh | yeah, maybe wade-giles... I don't know, but I can sometimes recognize it |
| 17:14:24 | wpyh | markun: what q? |
| 17:14:28 | markun | but I guess it's getting off topic |
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| 17:14:45 | wpyh | uh... yeah |
| 17:14:47 | wpyh | :p |
| 17:14:53 | wpyh | So, back on topic |
| 17:15:04 | wpyh | when the twiki is upgraded and supports unicode |
| 17:15:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Wanna hop onto #rockbox-community? I want to ask you something. |
| 17:15:19 | wpyh | how do we prevent users from registering with their Chinese names? |
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| 17:15:44 | markun | wpyh: because it's difficult to type if you want to look up a page with strange characters |
| 17:16:05 | markun | same for russia and greek and hebrew already |
| 17:16:19 | wpyh | uh.... my question was: _how_ do we prevent that? |
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| 17:16:53 | markun | ah, maybe make the register page more clear about registering with a romanized version of your real name |
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| 17:17:05 | markun | and what about family name, should it come first for chinese users? |
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| 17:17:19 | wpyh | yes, for the family name, it should come first |
| 17:17:20 | scorche|sh | wpyh: we simply tell them to not do tht when they come in asking for write access... |
| 17:17:46 | wpyh | except when they use an english first name |
| 17:17:52 | wpyh | scorche: good idea :) |
| 17:18:14 | wpyh | like for example, here is a very common name: 陈大伟 |
| 17:18:19 | scorche|sh | no need to make this difficult... |
| 17:18:29 | wpyh | using pinyin it would be ChenDaWei |
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| 17:18:44 | wpyh | but if the user wants to use an english first name, that would become David Tan |
| 17:18:44 | * | LambdaCalculus37 hoists the cricket bat and glares at wpyh |
| 17:19:11 | * | wpyh stands up and explains |
| 17:19:21 | wpyh | this is on-topic IMO ;) |
| 17:19:33 | wpyh | I mean, we should put these examples in the wiki page |
| 17:19:49 | wpyh | so we don't see users getting confused and registering their funny names all they want |
| 17:19:50 | wpyh | :p |
| 17:20:02 | wpyh | by the wiki page I mean the wiki registration page |
| 17:20:05 | wpyh | comments? |
| 17:20:48 | markun | wpyh: we can do that by the time it matters |
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| 17:21:16 | wpyh | right |
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| 19:12:24 | FuriousGeorge | what are the official details of the supported mpeg format(s)? i notice the QT(mjpeg) garbage that works with the default firmware on my sansa e200r doesnt work (not complaining) |
| 19:12:47 | gevaerts | mpeg1 and mpeg2 |
| 19:13:11 | domonoky | FuriousGeorge: take a look at: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
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| 19:13:33 | FuriousGeorge | thanks guys. the windows converter works great but im a *nix guy :) |
| 19:14:26 | domonoky | there are also instructions for linux on this wiki page.. |
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| 19:25:27 | FuriousGeorge | whoops :) |
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| 19:30:00 | FuriousGeorge | :) |
| 19:30:15 | gevaerts | Maybe june ? |
| 19:30:27 | FuriousGeorge | went with april |
| 19:30:39 | FuriousGeorge | i'd never remember june, duh :) |
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| 19:48:00 | J-23 | Hi! Can I ask here about Rockbox-supported players hardware, or should I ask at #rockbox-community? |
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| 19:49:39 | BigBambi | J-23: go ahead (we'll say get lost if needed :)) |
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| 19:51:44 | J-23 | I have SanDisk Sansa c240 with Rockbox, but it plays sound on right canal only. Should I disassemble it and fix audio socket? |
| 19:53:31 | BigBambi | it is worth a look - the jack could have a bad connection |
| 19:53:57 | BigBambi | assuming you have tried other ear phones of course |
| 19:54:02 | BigBambi | or them with a different player |
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| 20:11:42 | shotofadds | so... if the D2's FIQ handler can only send 4 words of L/R PCM data to the IIS FIFO at a time, that means it's being called 11,000 times per second? |
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| 20:12:14 | * | shotofadds has a feeling why the CPU usage appears rather high... |
| 20:12:21 | amiconn | nah |
| 20:12:31 | amiconn | Guess why it's called *F*IQ |
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| 20:12:51 | shotofadds | yeah, but I'm using GCC-generated code here |
| 20:13:11 | amiconn | It's the same as on PP (well, with packed samples the rate is half of that) |
| 20:13:52 | J-23 | I tried with other sound output devices and I think player sends only right canal signal. |
| 20:14:24 | amiconn | FIQ uses banked registers (to make it fast), and gcc knows about that, provided you tell it that your function is an fiq handler |
| 20:14:59 | shotofadds | yeah, I have issues making GCC generate the right code, so it's going slow right now |
| 20:15:25 | shotofadds | did PP gain much from asm-optimising those routines? |
| 20:18:54 | amiconn | I'm not sure. Afaik nobody ever measured the cpu drain from the fiq (preglow ?), but I doubt it's more than a few (< 5) percent |
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| 21:16:15 | MarcGuay | Can anyone explain the MOVL command? Not getting too many useful hits searching the web. I seem to remember it's essential MOV but want to make sure.... |
| 21:19:07 | MarcGuay | Nevermind, Move Long is the answer. |
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| 21:19:12 | Fast2Cash | hey |
| 21:19:22 | Fast2Cash | can anybody help me with installing rockbox on my sansa e200r? |
| 21:20:07 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: I can try. |
| 21:20:10 | Fast2Cash | cool |
| 21:20:12 | Fast2Cash | should i PM you? |
| 21:20:17 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: You found the installation page? |
| 21:20:20 | Fast2Cash | yes |
| 21:20:26 | Fast2Cash | and i followd all the instructions |
| 21:20:35 | Fast2Cash | and i rebooted 3 times, and it changed nothing |
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| 21:21:05 | MarcGuay | Any messages? What step? The more details the better. |
| 21:21:14 | Fast2Cash | i did the whole process |
| 21:21:19 | Fast2Cash | up to running the bootloader |
| 21:21:27 | Fast2Cash | cause i wanted to overwrite the whole thing to "save boot time" |
| 21:21:35 | Fast2Cash | and then it said "firmware updated successfully!" |
| 21:21:43 | Fast2Cash | and its STILL the same firmware |
| 21:22:14 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: Try doing it the regular way first, those instructions were added by someone recently and haven't been verified. |
| 21:22:26 | Fast2Cash | alright so what should i do? |
| 21:22:30 | Fast2Cash | do i need to clear anything? |
| 21:22:36 | Fast2Cash | like delete the old firmware/rockbox folder? |
| 21:22:44 | MarcGuay | Don't be rash, hold on.... |
| 21:24:34 | MarcGuay | Hmm, his instructions really aren't clear. Could you tell me exactly what you've done so far? |
| 21:24:54 | Fast2Cash | okay so |
| 21:25:21 | Fast2Cash | i overwrote the bootloader, put the new firmware in, including the rockbox folder |
| 21:25:34 | Fast2Cash | so it "booted faster" |
| 21:25:44 | Fast2Cash | and then ran it in manufacture mode |
| 21:26:03 | Fast2Cash | i showed windows to the driver it told me to |
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| 21:26:21 | Fast2Cash | aand then ran the patcher |
| 21:26:29 | Fast2Cash | it said firmware updated successfully |
| 21:27:14 | Fast2Cash | rebooted a few times |
| 21:27:16 | Fast2Cash | and nothing |
| 21:27:48 | advcomp2019 | did you do part 2 of the steps? |
| 21:28:00 | MarcGuay | Meh, his instructions stink. The revenge of zajacattack |
| 21:28:04 | Fast2Cash | in the instructions to save boot time |
| 21:28:12 | Fast2Cash | it was the exact instructions |
| 21:28:14 | Fast2Cash | of step 2 |
| 21:28:16 | Fast2Cash | so i didnt bother |
| 21:28:35 | Fast2Cash | cause then i'd be doing the same thing i just did, and then add a firmware file |
| 21:28:37 | MarcGuay | Which patcher did you run specifically? |
| 21:28:43 | Fast2Cash | uh e200rpatcher |
| 21:28:57 | Fast2Cash | should i just do the original instructions? |
| 21:29:01 | MarcGuay | Not the -overwrite version? |
| 21:29:17 | Fast2Cash | oh |
| 21:29:17 | advcomp2019 | Fast2Cash, you did these: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation |
| 21:29:21 | Fast2Cash | yeah i did the overwrite one |
| 21:29:25 | Fast2Cash | yes advcomp |
| 21:29:26 | Fast2Cash | i did that one |
| 21:29:35 | Fast2Cash | but the little underone that said "to save boot time" one |
| 21:29:45 | MarcGuay | advcomp2019: Unfortunately someone added extra instructions to it that are really poorly worded, so it's hard to tell where he's at. |
| 21:30:07 | Fast2Cash | are the extra instructions worth it? |
| 21:30:17 | advcomp2019 | it worked for me here.. so yea MarcGuay, it might be a bad step |
| 21:30:39 | Fast2Cash | could i just do it all over? |
| 21:30:43 | MarcGuay | advcomp2019: You overwrote the bootloader completely? |
| 21:31:17 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: Have you run the -overwrite.exe? |
| 21:31:27 | Fast2Cash | yeah |
| 21:31:30 | Fast2Cash | i did the overwrite one |
| 21:31:36 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: Did it give you a message? |
| 21:31:40 | Fast2Cash | it just said |
| 21:31:53 | Fast2Cash | on the overwrite prog that is |
| 21:32:03 | advcomp2019 | MarcGuay, what overwrite.exe? |
| 21:32:03 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: I think you're only supposed to run it at the very end. But I can't say for sure. |
| 21:32:04 | Fast2Cash | something like "Overwritten successfully" |
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| 21:32:17 | MarcGuay | advcomp2019: Check the page you linked to. |
| 21:32:17 | Fast2Cash | advcomp he means the instructions that make you use |
| 21:32:22 | Fast2Cash | the overwrite boot loader |
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| 21:32:50 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: But the Sansa firmware is still loading when you turn it on, correct? |
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| 21:33:21 | Fast2Cash | yes |
| 21:34:00 | advcomp2019 | so you need to do "Step 2 - Perform the Rockbox installation" on that page |
| 21:34:07 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: So the overwrite didn't work. No guarantees on this, but I think if you start from the beginning, and skip that nonsense, it should be okay. |
| 21:34:17 | Fast2Cash | alright which one |
| 21:34:21 | Fast2Cash | step 2? or do it all over? |
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| 21:34:37 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: I'd start over. |
| 21:34:47 | Fast2Cash | alright |
| 21:35:26 | Fast2Cash | ill start all over and tell you how it goes |
| 21:35:33 | * | k4y prays to the Rockbox gods for a Sansa Fuze rockbox port |
| 21:35:47 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: Did the Sansa firmware ever tell you "updating firmware" or just the patcher programs? |
| 21:36:02 | Fast2Cash | just the patcher |
| 21:36:07 | Fast2Cash | i mean in one step |
| 21:36:16 | Fast2Cash | it DID say the sansa was "updgrading firmware" |
| 21:36:19 | Fast2Cash | but it did nothing |
| 21:36:36 | Fast2Cash | should i just do step 2? or start all over? |
| 21:36:55 | advcomp2019 | are you sure it is a e200r? |
| 21:37:00 | Fast2Cash | uh yeah lol |
| 21:37:08 | Fast2Cash | its got rhapsody/playanything for sure |
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| 21:37:23 | advcomp2019 | ok.. good.. just checking |
| 21:37:28 | Fast2Cash | alright you guys i think ill just start all over? |
| 21:37:33 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: Maybe advcomp is right and you just need to do step 2. But it can't hurt to start over, can it? |
| 21:37:40 | Fast2Cash | alright |
| 21:37:47 | Fast2Cash | your right |
| 21:37:50 | Fast2Cash | should i just try step 2? |
| 21:37:55 | Fast2Cash | and if it fails |
| 21:37:59 | Fast2Cash | all over? |
| 21:38:46 | advcomp2019 | yea try step 2 because the e200rpatcher will not install rockbox automatically |
| 21:38:54 | Fast2Cash | hokay |
| 21:39:03 | Fast2Cash | wait one small question |
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| 21:39:13 | Fast2Cash | in step 2, it has you install a v1 firmware on the sansa |
| 21:39:46 | Fast2Cash | in the initial instructions it says "must have v1 firmware" so i just downloaded and installed the firmware given on step 2 so it had v1 firmware |
| 21:39:50 | Fast2Cash | would that make a difference? |
| 21:40:10 | advcomp2019 | you use the e200r firmware as the OF.mi4 file and you can use the latest e200r firmware |
| 21:40:37 | Fast2Cash | the initial instructions say must have v1 firmware |
| 21:40:39 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: So you upgraded to the firmware on page 2 before starting the install? |
| 21:40:58 | Fast2Cash | yes |
| 21:41:02 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: That just means that your firmware version # must start with a 1, otherwise it's a different model. |
| 21:41:08 | Fast2Cash | i know but |
| 21:41:19 | Fast2Cash | oh |
| 21:41:23 | Fast2Cash | so what should i do? |
| 21:41:32 | MarcGuay | How did you upgrade? |
| 21:41:36 | MarcGuay | Recovery mode? |
| 21:41:44 | Fast2Cash | no i just used the firmware on the 2nd page |
| 21:41:51 | Fast2Cash | by dragging it to root folder |
| 21:41:53 | Fast2Cash | andrebooting |
| 21:42:32 | MarcGuay | Maybe do that again just to clear everything up, then start from scratch. |
| 21:42:42 | Fast2Cash | alright so |
| 21:42:45 | Fast2Cash | install a v1 firmware? |
| 21:42:50 | Fast2Cash | then redo the whole thing? |
| 21:42:58 | MarcGuay | That's my advice. |
| 21:43:13 | Fast2Cash | doing it now |
| 21:43:23 | Fast2Cash | wait |
| 21:43:27 | Fast2Cash | what if i have a v2 model? |
| 21:43:49 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: Did the update work before? |
| 21:44:02 | Fast2Cash | what? |
| 21:44:11 | Fast2Cash | okay i checked the info on settings i have a v1 model |
| 21:44:22 | Fast2Cash | so ill install the latest firmware and start from scratch |
| 21:44:56 | advcomp2019 | yea just start from beginning |
| 21:45:37 | MarcGuay | Anybody have an opinion on zajacattack's instructions? Remove them, reword them? |
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| 21:48:07 | Fast2Cash | to do manufacture mode |
| 21:48:11 | Fast2Cash | it has to be off correct? |
| 21:48:35 | MarcGuay | turn on the hold switch, hold select and plug in USB while continuing to hold select for about 10s |
| 21:48:43 | MarcGuay | Yeah, from off. |
| 21:48:51 | advcomp2019 | MarcGuay, remove that overwrite thing because i know the e200rpatcher works fine |
| 21:49:12 | | Quit MethoS- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) |
| 21:49:21 | MarcGuay | advcomp2019: Well, it's an added feature which overwrites the sansa bootloader completely. |
| 21:49:42 | MarcGuay | advcomp2019: It's just poorly worded and a bit dangerous to offer first-time users the option. |
| 21:50:07 | advcomp2019 | o ok.. did not know that because i have always used the e200rpatcher |
| 21:50:36 | advcomp2019 | yea it is poorly worded after reading a few more time |
| 21:51:54 | Fast2Cash | you guys! |
| 21:51:56 | Fast2Cash | this is great |
| 21:51:59 | Fast2Cash | it says |
| 21:52:01 | Fast2Cash | proceed to step 2 |
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| 21:54:26 | | Nick hannesd_ is now known as hannesd (n=light@p5B161A24.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:57:00 | advcomp2019 | MarcGuay, plus i just did the overwrite one on mine.. it seem to do nothing to mine |
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| 21:57:57 | Fast2Cash | alright |
| 21:58:00 | Fast2Cash | rebooting now |
| 21:58:01 | Fast2Cash | this is it |
| 21:58:10 | MarcGuay | advcomp2019: Did you do it after doing step 2? |
| 21:58:26 | advcomp2019 | yea |
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| 21:59:07 | MarcGuay | advcomp2019: Weird. I guess it's hard to know if you did it right when the directions are so crummy. |
| 21:59:36 | Fast2Cash | upgrade completed |
| 21:59:40 | Fast2Cash | OMFG |
| 21:59:41 | MarcGuay | It probably qualifies as an unsupported build. |
| 21:59:43 | Fast2Cash | YOU GUYS |
| 21:59:44 | Fast2Cash | ARE SO COOL |
| 21:59:54 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: Enjoy. |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:24 | Fast2Cash | wait |
| 22:00:29 | Fast2Cash | just accidentally clicked on pp502? |
| 22:00:33 | Fast2Cash | its all black lol |
| 22:00:52 | Fast2Cash | restarted it |
| 22:00:57 | advcomp2019 | MarcGuay, yea.. might be.. going to try it one more time |
| 22:01:18 | MarcGuay | advcomp2019: Just took it off the page. |
| 22:01:34 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: Have you read the manual yet? |
| 22:02:04 | Fast2Cash | should i? |
| 22:02:06 | Fast2Cash | i will now |
| 22:02:51 | Fast2Cash | you guys |
| 22:02:54 | Fast2Cash | this thing is amazing |
| 22:02:58 | Fast2Cash | i thank both of you SO much |
| 22:10:09 | Fast2Cash | small question regarding personal preference |
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| 22:26:02 | advcomp2019 | MarcGuay, yea.. i just tried it 3 more times that overwrite one and it just did not do anything to my e200r |
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| 22:31:34 | Fast2Cash | hey advcomp |
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| 22:34:45 | advcomp2019 | Fast2Cash, yes.. do you need something? |
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| 22:40:22 | Fast2Cash | adv |
| 22:40:30 | Fast2Cash | uh i tried to drag music to my mp3 |
| 22:40:33 | Fast2Cash | and sync |
| 22:40:51 | Fast2Cash | and it says "files/directory are corrupted/unreadable" |
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| 22:42:55 | MarcGuay | You're in Sansa's UMS mode? |
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| 22:44:40 | Fast2Cash | uh |
| 22:44:45 | Fast2Cash | what? |
| 22:44:49 | Fast2Cash | UMS? |
| 22:45:07 | MarcGuay | Like a hard disk/flash drive - not MTP mode. |
| 22:45:35 | BigBambi | Fast2Cash: Does it appear as a drive letter in explorer, rather than a folder |
| 22:45:41 | advcomp2019 | you in rhapsody mode?? |
| 22:45:46 | Fast2Cash | im in rhapsody mode |
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| 22:45:50 | Fast2Cash | and in the pc |
| 22:45:56 | Fast2Cash | it appears as letter K: |
| 22:45:57 | Fast2Cash | versus |
| 22:45:59 | Fast2Cash | sansa |
| 22:46:01 | MarcGuay | The channel is logged by the way, it would make everyone reading it happy if you used full sentences instead of short thoughts. |
| 22:46:08 | BigBambi | Fast2Cash: could you try not to use the enter key as punctuation please? |
| 22:46:18 | * | bluebrother wonders how one can drag files to a file format ... |
| 22:46:19 | Fast2Cash | Sorry, my sincerist apologies. |
| 22:46:49 | Fast2Cash | Maybe if i change it out of Rhapsody mode and then transfer the music via Explorer it will work. |
| 22:47:18 | BigBambi | You need it in UMS mode for Rockbox |
| 22:47:23 | Fast2Cash | whats thaT? |
| 22:47:23 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: Do you get 2 drive letters or one? |
| 22:47:30 | Fast2Cash | i got a K: drive |
| 22:47:35 | BigBambi | So you are going into K: and dragging music to that? |
| 22:47:41 | Fast2Cash | Yes. |
| 22:47:47 | MarcGuay | BigBambi: They're listed as Rhapsody & PlaysForSure on the R model. |
| 22:47:59 | Fast2Cash | Except, usually it shows up in Other Devices and its Sansa e200R. |
| 22:48:08 | Fast2Cash | But now it is showing up as K: |
| 22:48:14 | BigBambi | MarcGuay: Yeah, I was hoping for knowledge of UMS |
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| 22:49:01 | SETH_HIKARU | i need some help |
| 22:49:07 | SETH_HIKARU | can anyone help me |
| 22:49:18 | bluebrother | not if you don't ask the question |
| 22:49:18 | Fast2Cash | What does the problem pertain too? |
| 22:49:21 | advcomp2019 | SETH_HIKARU, if you do not tell us what it is |
| 22:49:26 | Bagder | just breath slowly and ask |
| 22:49:27 | SETH_HIKARU | patching |
| 22:49:37 | BigBambi | in particular? |
| 22:49:39 | SETH_HIKARU | oh ya |
| 22:49:39 | * | bluebrother gets pissed by w32 creating a new type for anything :( |
| 22:49:43 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: Is there an L: drive as well? |
| 22:49:54 | SETH_HIKARU | my computer is being stupid so its gonna cut me off but ill be back |
| 22:50:07 | SETH_HIKARU | anyway |
| 22:50:12 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: And what happens when you drive music to the K drive? |
| 22:50:20 | MarcGuay | drive=drag |
| 22:50:35 | SETH_HIKARU | how do i apply patches to the sourcecode |
| 22:50:50 | Fast2Cash | When i drag it, "Error: The file/directory are corrupted/unreadable" |
| 22:50:52 | bluebrother | read the WorkingWithPatches wiki page |
| 22:50:57 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 22:50:59 | SETH_HIKARU | it doesnt help |
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| 22:51:13 | BigBambi | So what particular problems do you have, as I can assure you it works |
| 22:51:14 | SETH_HIKARU | oh |
| 22:51:17 | bluebrother | "doesnt help" is really the worst problem description I can think of |
| 22:51:19 | SETH_HIKARU | i was using an older page |
| 22:51:20 | SETH_HIKARU | thanks |
| 22:51:30 | webguest17 | hi there |
| 22:51:38 | SETH_HIKARU | so ill be back shortly if i still cant understand it |
| 22:51:44 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: That's a windows error or...? |
| 22:51:46 | webguest17 | I was wondering about pictures on rockbox |
| 22:51:48 | SETH_HIKARU | thank you bigbambi |
| 22:51:51 | webguest17 | on a sansa e200 |
| 22:51:51 | BigBambi | np |
| 22:51:59 | BigBambi | webguest17: In particular? |
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| 22:52:04 | webguest17 | is that posible |
| 22:52:08 | BigBambi | yes |
| 22:52:11 | webguest17 | I mean |
| 22:52:14 | webguest17 | file formats |
| 22:52:24 | webguest17 | bmp, jpeg, tiff |
| 22:52:25 | webguest17 | ? |
| 22:52:31 | BigBambi | Please try not to use the enter key as punctuation |
| 22:52:38 | BigBambi | There is a jpg viewer |
| 22:52:43 | PaulJam | rockbox has a plugin to display (non progressive) jpeg |
| 22:52:52 | bluebrother | please check the documentation first. |
| 22:52:57 | BigBambi | bmps are used for the While playing screen, and on colour targets you can edit bmps |
| 22:53:26 | webguest17 | ok, I will try using jpeg |
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| 22:54:17 | advcomp2019 | Fast2Cash, have you check the sansa for errors on the drive since you have that error? |
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| 22:55:05 | webguest17 | ok, thanks, it worked! |
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| 22:56:27 | Fast2Cash | Sorry im back |
| 22:56:35 | Fast2Cash | I tried to mess with it. |
| 22:56:44 | Fast2Cash | It IS indeed to a windows error when dragged. |
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| 22:57:52 | SETH_HIKARU | ok |
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| 22:58:01 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: Can you browse the drive? |
| 22:58:03 | SETH_HIKARU | i need a little more help on applying patches |
| 22:58:06 | Fast2Cash | I actually beleive i have a NEW problem on top of this. Now when i connect my sansa to the PC while in rockbox, it says Refresh Database and freezes. |
| 22:58:09 | SETH_HIKARU | bigbambi |
| 22:58:18 | BigBambi | just ask |
| 22:58:21 | SETH_HIKARU | ok |
| 22:58:35 | SETH_HIKARU | how do i use the patch program once i have installed it |
| 22:58:38 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: If you plug it in from the off position? |
| 22:58:55 | Fast2Cash | If i plug it in, whilst it is on. |
| 22:58:58 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: the wiki page I linked tells you that |
| 22:59:07 | SETH_HIKARU | oh |
| 22:59:08 | advcomp2019 | Fast2Cash, you need to use OF to transfer files to it |
| 22:59:14 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: I'm asking what happens if you plug it in while it's off. |
| 22:59:20 | Fast2Cash | so turn it off, and then plug it in? |
| 22:59:23 | Bagder | SETH_HIKARU: start with setting up a proper development environment |
| 22:59:28 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: Yessir. |
| 22:59:32 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: It is in the cunningly named "Applying A Patch" section |
| 22:59:41 | MarcGuay | BigBambi: :) |
| 22:59:56 | Fast2Cash | Turning off the mp3, and now plugging it in. |
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| 23:00:01 | MarcGuay | BigBambi: It's truly devious. |
| 23:00:15 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: Sorry, I assumed you already had the build environment set up if you were trying to apply a patch - do you? |
| 23:00:18 | BigBambi | MarcGuay: :) |
| 23:00:19 | Fast2Cash | Loads into rhapsody and now says "Refresh Database" |
| 23:00:42 | Fast2Cash | now it froze on the Rhapsody screen. |
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| 23:00:47 | SETH_HIKARU | oh sorry |
| 23:00:48 | SETH_HIKARU | what |
| 23:01:03 | BigBambi | Do you have the development environment set up? |
| 23:01:16 | SETH_HIKARU | um i dont know what does a build envir. set up look like |
| 23:01:19 | SETH_HIKARU | i have cygwin |
| 23:01:22 | BigBambi | You know that after applying the patch to the source you need to compile it? |
| 23:01:26 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: Sounds like your drive is corrupt. |
| 23:01:30 | SETH_HIKARU | yes |
| 23:01:33 | SETH_HIKARU | i know that |
| 23:01:40 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: and cygwin is set up as on the wiki, and you can compile unpatched Rockbox? |
| 23:01:47 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: Did it get into the main menu or is it still stuck? |
| 23:01:49 | SETH_HIKARU | i know |
| 23:01:54 | SETH_HIKARU | i wanna patch mine |
| 23:02:10 | BigBambi | OK, so read the applying a patch section |
| 23:02:22 | SETH_HIKARU | so how do i know if i have a build environment set up |
| 23:02:35 | BigBambi | you just said you do? |
| 23:02:54 | BigBambi | I repeat: and cygwin is set up as on the wiki, and you can compile unpatched Rockbox? |
| 23:03:40 | SETH_HIKARU | no i heavent done that |
| 23:03:45 | SETH_HIKARU | but im sure it can |
| 23:03:53 | Fast2Cash | Wait my drive is corrupt. Whats that mean? |
| 23:03:54 | BigBambi | Then that would be a good place to start |
| 23:04:02 | SETH_HIKARU | mmmmmm not really |
| 23:04:12 | BigBambi | er, yes? |
| 23:04:21 | SETH_HIKARU | i dont wanna wait 5 minutes just to do that |
| 23:04:27 | SETH_HIKARU | and find out it does it fine |
| 23:04:31 | BigBambi | You need to be able to compile the source code before patching it makes any sense |
| 23:04:40 | SETH_HIKARU | ok |
| 23:04:43 | SETH_HIKARU | fine |
| 23:04:47 | SETH_HIKARU | be back in 2 |
| 23:04:57 | SETH_HIKARU | my computer should do it in that |
| 23:05:16 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: What's happening now? |
| 23:06:00 | SETH_HIKARU | 3ghz core 2 duo overclocked to 5ghz |
| 23:06:00 | SETH_HIKARU | my computer is fast |
| 23:06:00 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: please don't spam the channel with irrelevancies |
| 23:06:00 | SETH_HIKARU | fine |
| 23:06:00 | BigBambi | I really don't care what your computer is or how long it takes to build |
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| 23:06:18 | Fast2Cash | So i plugged it in while OFF, and now its frozen on the "Refresh Database" on the STARTING rhapsody screen. |
| 23:06:20 | | Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world") |
| 23:07:38 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: How did you get it to appear as the F: drive before? |
| 23:08:28 | | Quit hannesd (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) |
| 23:08:46 | SETH_HIKARU | ok it built it fine |
| 23:08:50 | SETH_HIKARU | now what |
| 23:08:51 | Fast2Cash | Before it just appeared in "Other Devices: Sansa e200R |
| 23:08:58 | SETH_HIKARU | apply the patches |
| 23:09:01 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: Before what? |
| 23:09:14 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: You said a minute ago that it was an F: drive, no? |
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| 23:09:25 | Fast2Cash | Like before all this stuff. Im thinking, what if i use the Recovery tool, and just reformat hte whole thing. |
| 23:09:28 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: yes, as the Applying A Patch section tells you |
| 23:09:29 | Fast2Cash | No K: drive now. |
| 23:09:40 | shotofadds | amiconn: asm-coding the FIQ handler saves about a 3MHz average in the buffering debug screen. |
| 23:09:43 | webguest22 | what about rockbox and itunes? |
| 23:09:55 | shotofadds | still running at 87MHz for a 320kbps MP3, though |
| 23:09:57 | Bagder | we need to get rockbox 3 out for a rockbox download day! |
| 23:09:58 | SETH_HIKARU | ok so what do i name the patchfile |
| 23:10:02 | SETH_HIKARU | like in the |
| 23:10:12 | SETH_HIKARU | patch < patchfile |
| 23:10:21 | PaulJam | webguest22: could you rephrase that question? |
| 23:10:38 | SETH_HIKARU | what do i replace < patchfile with |
| 23:10:46 | preglow | shotofadds: eyh, great news! |
| 23:10:47 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: wait, are you creating a patch? |
| 23:10:54 | SETH_HIKARU | going to |
| 23:10:58 | SETH_HIKARU | no\ |
| 23:11:00 | SETH_HIKARU | apply |
| 23:11:11 | BigBambi | So surely you therefore have a patch to apply? |
| 23:11:14 | scorche|sh | SETH_HIKARU: please stop using the enter key as punctuation...one-line sentences is *much* easier to read |
| 23:11:17 | SETH_HIKARU | yes |
| 23:11:23 | webguest22 | can I use rockbox to play itunes files (m4p) or I need to convert them to mp3? |
| 23:11:28 | shotofadds | preglow: yeah, but now I have a mountain of half-finished code to clean up :/ |
| 23:11:29 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: You might want to do that. |
| 23:11:42 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: Can you get into recovery mode? |
| 23:11:42 | preglow | shotofadds: :D |
| 23:11:49 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: So use that then |
| 23:11:52 | advcomp2019 | Fast2Cash, you will need to format using "sansa.fmt" file and reinstall the sansa firmware via recovery mode.. then do step two again.. then put your music back on to the Sansa |
| 23:12:00 | * | shotofadds is well impressed that his asm-FIQ handler didn't crash... |
| 23:12:03 | bluebrother | webguest22: rockbox plays aac audio as long as it isn't encrypted (i.e. copy protected) |
| 23:12:03 | Fast2Cash | I was just going to factory reset it using the Recovery Tool. |
| 23:12:04 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
| 23:12:10 | amiconn | shotofadds: What target was that, again? (preferably including arm version) |
| 23:12:17 | SETH_HIKARU | BigBambi: what do i replace the < patchfile with |
| 23:12:20 | amiconn | Sorry, too many targets in th epipe to remember... |
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| 23:12:29 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: the name of the patch |
| 23:12:32 | BigBambi | What else? |
| 23:12:33 | SETH_HIKARU | ok |
| 23:12:38 | shotofadds | amiconn: D2, arm926ej-s |
| 23:12:44 | PaulJam | webguest22: rockbox plays m4a (aac) files (if they aren't DRM encrypted) |
| 23:12:54 | SETH_HIKARU | do i have to put in the file its going to patch |
| 23:13:06 | BigBambi | no |
| 23:13:07 | SETH_HIKARU | filename excuse me |
| 23:13:10 | SETH_HIKARU | ok |
| 23:13:24 | preglow | shotofadds: working on new ata driver now |
| 23:13:29 | BigBambi | patch -p0 < name_of_the_sodding_patch_file.patch |
| 23:13:32 | Fast2Cash | Should i unbrick it? Or just reformat the damn thing? |
| 23:13:37 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:13:48 | preglow | shotofadds: will just hack one together calling either nand code or sd code depending |
| 23:14:00 | SETH_HIKARU | and i do this in cygwin |
| 23:14:09 | BigBambi | yes |
| 23:14:12 | amiconn | Hmm, arm v5. I'd expect that to be more clock efficient than arm7 |
| 23:14:19 | SETH_HIKARU | because it says the patch command doesnt exist |
| 23:14:24 | amiconn | But still great that it's actually playing music |
| 23:14:27 | shotofadds | preglow: yeah, I saw the logs earlier. a new ata-wrapper layer sounds an excellent plan to me. |
| 23:14:29 | preglow | amiconn: it is |
| 23:14:30 | SETH_HIKARU | or not found |
| 23:14:30 | BigBambi | I thought you said you had installed patch |
| 23:14:35 | SETH_HIKARU | i did |
| 23:14:38 | amiconn | Optimisation can come later |
| 23:14:53 | SETH_HIKARU | was i supposed to install it to the cygwin directory |
| 23:14:54 | shotofadds | yeah, I'm just pleased to have got this far :) |
| 23:15:00 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: well either not succesfully, or it isn't in PATH |
| 23:15:12 | preglow | shotofadds: haven't actually read any data from a card yet, but i think that'll work out nicely |
| 23:15:13 | SETH_HIKARU | path? |
| 23:15:22 | shotofadds | preglow: \o/ |
| 23:15:23 | MarcGuay | advcomp2019: Do you want to guide him? I don't have any experience with the rhapsodys. |
| 23:15:33 | preglow | unfortunately i have another busy weekend coming up, though |
| 23:15:49 | shotofadds | when it works, can you make the SD card the default drive, please?! |
| 23:15:55 | preglow | haha |
| 23:15:59 | shotofadds | (could be fun for the bootloader...) |
| 23:16:02 | preglow | well, if it's easy enough |
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| 23:16:26 | advcomp2019 | MarcGuay, yea hold on.. Fast2Cash, get into recovery mode please |
| 23:16:38 | SETH_HIKARU | where do i install patch then BigBambi? |
| 23:16:43 | shotofadds | well, we won't have write access to the NAND for a /very/ long time. And playlist_control / saving settings would be nice... |
| 23:16:46 | Fast2Cash | Would reformatting it just be a better choice? |
| 23:16:48 | amiconn | If we make a wrapper, we should make ata_read_sectors() and ata_write_sectors() more generic than they currently are |
| 23:17:11 | preglow | shotofadds: had any further looks on write access or are you just being pessimistic? :> |
| 23:17:26 | Fast2Cash | I think its already messed up prior to Rockbox. I think reformatting it will fix that problem. |
| 23:17:29 | preglow | amiconn: well, i wasn't really going to make all targets use the wrapper |
| 23:17:31 | advcomp2019 | Fast2Cash, yea but since you cant get a letter drive you cant |
| 23:17:39 | amiconn | Currently they are limited by the maximum sector count that ata allows, and will fail when exceeding that |
| 23:17:45 | preglow | amiconn: i think gevearts want this matter discussed at devcon, thoigh |
| 23:17:46 | SETH_HIKARU | BigBambi: Where do I install Patch? as in the directory |
| 23:17:48 | amiconn | (on actual ata targets, that is) |
| 23:17:50 | shotofadds | preglow: no. if it's taken this long to not-fully-understand read access, I hate to think what might happen if we start writing. |
| 23:18:01 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: patience, I can read |
| 23:18:01 | PaulJam | SETH_HIKARU: i think the usual way to install additional packages in cygwin is to run the setup again and choose the packages in one of the screens of the installation dialogue. |
| 23:18:19 | Fast2Cash | One second advcomp, ill give it a go. |
| 23:18:20 | * | shotofadds goes to drink tea and listen to slightly-distorted music :) |
| 23:18:21 | SETH_HIKARU | oh |
| 23:18:31 | amiconn | fat.c knows about that limitation, but it's in fact unnecessary on non-ata targets, and on ata targets it's relatively easy to work around that limitation |
| 23:18:40 | amiconn | (and btw, lba48 has a much higher limit) |
| 23:18:58 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: I don't use cygwin - I was under the impression that if you installed cygwin as instructed on the wiki page, you would have all needed packages |
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| 23:19:44 | preglow | amiconn: might also be fun to not assume our storage backend is ata, but i guess that'd just add unnecessary code for most of our targets which do use ata |
| 23:19:53 | amiconn | lba28 is limited to 256 sectors per transfer (the sector count is a single byte), while lba48 allows up to 65536 sectors per transfer |
| 23:20:19 | amiconn | preglow: It's just naming... |
| 23:20:25 | SETH_HIKARU | oh what do you use then BigBambi |
| 23:20:33 | BigBambi | linux |
| 23:20:52 | SETH_HIKARU | oh |
| 23:20:59 | SETH_HIKARU | same thing in a sense |
| 23:21:05 | SETH_HIKARU | im using a bash shell |
| 23:21:08 | BigBambi | Not really |
| 23:21:12 | BigBambi | I prefer VMWare on Windows to cygwin however |
| 23:21:24 | SETH_HIKARU | anyway |
| 23:21:26 | SETH_HIKARU | ok |
| 23:21:30 | SETH_HIKARU | me to |
| 23:21:34 | SETH_HIKARU | i have viruses |
| 23:21:42 | SETH_HIKARU | and all that crap |
| 23:21:45 | bluebrother | you have a too loose enter key |
| 23:21:46 | SETH_HIKARU | i hate |
| 23:21:46 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: on topic please |
| 23:22:02 | SETH_HIKARU | lol good one bluebrother |
| 23:22:05 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: *stop* (for the third time) using the enter key as punctuation |
| 23:22:09 | scorche|sh | SETH_HIKARU: consider this a warning to stay on-topic and to stop using the enter key as punctuation |
| 23:22:32 | SETH_HIKARU | ok so where do i install the patch program as in what directory |
| 23:22:44 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: read all of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots |
| 23:22:45 | * | bluebrother goes for popcorn and waits for logbot ... |
| 23:23:03 | advcomp2019 | Fast2Cash, if you know how to use reinstall the sansa firmware and use the "sansa.fmt" file via recovery mode, you should be safe |
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| 23:24:30 | Bagder | haah |
| 23:24:40 | Bagder | logbot doesn't easily forget ;-) |
| 23:24:40 | BigBambi | what was that about? |
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| 23:24:59 | * | BigBambi renames logbot ElephantBot |
| 23:25:01 | Bagder | probably one of his previous blurbs that triggered it |
| 23:25:24 | Bagder | logbot "marks" users for kicks and performs once it can |
| 23:25:29 | BigBambi | hah |
| 23:26:33 | Bagder | not only does it handle being de-opped then, but it's also necessary to prevent it from flooding itself when it wants to kick large amounts of users |
| 23:26:46 | Fast2Cash | Alright it failed. Im would like to reformat it. Advcomp, i read the instructions, so i put in the new firmware , and a sansa.fmt file? |
| 23:26:49 | BigBambi | xargs for logbot :) |
| 23:27:49 | advcomp2019 | Fast2Cash, yea.. put the sansa e200r firmware and the sansa.fmt file on to the sansa via recovery mode |
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| 23:28:24 | Fast2Cash | where can i geet the sansa.fmt file? |
| 23:28:30 | preglow | amiconn: no current targets would benefit from an ata wrapper which uses several different backends, no? |
| 23:28:32 | BigBambi | Just create it |
| 23:28:44 | BigBambi | Fast2Cash: It is just an empty file called sansa.fmt |
| 23:29:09 | Fast2Cash | Right click? |
| 23:29:15 | BigBambi | sure |
| 23:29:27 | amiconn | preglow: Not right now, but once we get usbotg going, there will be several |
| 23:29:35 | amiconn | (H300 and X5 to name at least 2) |
| 23:30:25 | Fast2Cash | How do i make an empty file? |
| 23:30:49 | BigBambi | In windows, right click, create new text file, and call it sansa.fmt |
| 23:30:50 | Fast2Cash | Done |
| 23:30:51 | Fast2Cash | Nevermind. |
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| 23:31:41 | Fast2Cash | Alright after reformatting, it will be like a factory reset? |
| 23:32:31 | advcomp2019 | yes.. but you will not need to do step 1.. you only need to do step 2 |
| 23:33:20 | * | preglow just hardcodes an ata-wrapper for d2 for now |
| 23:33:59 | Fast2Cash | Oh god |
| 23:34:20 | Fast2Cash | I just turned it back on and it said "Not enough disk space for music DB" and now it froze blue. |
| 23:34:46 | amiconn | preglow: Maybe we should define generic "block device" function names, which would be the wrapper on targets with several backends, and just #define'd on single-backend targets |
| 23:35:11 | advcomp2019 | are you sure you named the file sansa.fmt? |
| 23:35:14 | preglow | amiconn: makes sense |
| 23:35:22 | amiconn | The question is how to cleanly handle multivolume within that concept |
| 23:36:14 | Fast2Cash | yes. |
| 23:36:15 | amiconn | In fact our current multivolume implementation is a bit too simplistic, because we do not really distinguish between the device uints when mounting volumes |
| 23:36:20 | Fast2Cash | iIt reformated properly. |
| 23:36:27 | Fast2Cash | But now it froze. |
| 23:36:27 | amiconn | s/uints/units/ |
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| 23:37:05 | amiconn | E.g. Ondio (and Sansa) allow for 2 volumes. So if you make 2 partitions on the built-in flash, an MMC/microSD won't mount anymore |
| 23:37:43 | advcomp2019 | Fast2Cash, try the sansa.fmt file again to check again.. hopefully the file is not sansa.fmt.txt |
| 23:37:58 | Fast2Cash | No it wasnt. |
| 23:38:04 | Fast2Cash | Ill try though. |
| 23:39:30 | SETH_HIKARU | so after i do all of this the patch command will work |
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| 23:40:27 | Fast2Cash | Alright its formatting again. |
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| 23:40:53 | SETH_HIKARU | hey just a question for anyone that can answer me WHAT HAPPENED TO IPODLINUX.ORG!!!!? |
| 23:40:57 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: You're putting an mi4 file in there with it, right? |
| 23:41:02 | Fast2Cash | yes |
| 23:41:08 | MarcGuay | Just checking. |
| 23:41:15 | Bagder | SETH_HIKARU: go #ipodlinux and ask |
| 23:41:23 | SETH_HIKARU | oh they have an irc |
| 23:41:27 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: And you have windows set to show known file extentions? |
| 23:41:33 | Fast2Cash | If this does not work, is there anything else i can do? |
| 23:41:42 | Fast2Cash | And yes, it showed sansa.FMT |
| 23:41:47 | SETH_HIKARU | #ipodlinux |
| 23:42:00 | Fast2Cash | reformatted |
| 23:42:01 | SETH_HIKARU | um Badger: how do i do that |
| 23:42:25 | scorche|sh | SETH_HIKARU: you cant from our webclient |
| 23:42:29 | SETH_HIKARU | oh |
| 23:42:33 | SETH_HIKARU | so where can i |
| 23:42:50 | Fast2Cash | I set the mode to PlayAnything and it is working fine so far. |
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| 23:43:00 | Fast2Cash | Now do i redo step 2? |
| 23:43:58 | advcomp2019 | yes, you redo step 2 but you need to use rhapsody mode tho |
| 23:44:33 | SETH_HIKARU | scorche|sh: how do i access #ipodlinux do i need to install and irc client |
| 23:44:35 | Fast2Cash | Alright lemme give it a shot. |
| 23:44:44 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: For the last time, stay on topic |
| 23:44:47 | scorche|sh | SETH_HIKARU: use mibbit |
| 23:44:52 | SETH_HIKARU | thanks |
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| 23:45:41 | SETH_HIKARU | and if u would be so mean bigbambi for your information i cant get to ipodlinux.org because i want ipodlinux on my ipod and i want to know what happened and why they are down |
| 23:46:17 | scorche|sh | SETH_HIKARU: it doesnt matter....this is an on-topic channel |
| 23:46:28 | scorche|sh | it isnt about being mean...it is about following our guidelines |
| 23:46:28 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: I don't care why you want to go there |
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| 23:47:09 | SETH_HIKARU | ok ill stay on topic then |
| 23:51:02 | Fast2Cash | Its rebooted into Rockbox. |
| 23:51:36 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: Have you read the Sansa FAQ? |
| 23:51:38 | Fast2Cash | Now is it safe to change it back to PlaysForSure mode? |
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| 23:52:12 | advcomp2019 | no.. i would not use playforsure mode |
| 23:52:20 | Fast2Cash | Alright. |
| 23:52:28 | Fast2Cash | And if you mean the manual, im reading it. |
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| 23:52:41 | Fast2Cash | But now is it safe to transfer music? |
| 23:53:27 | MarcGuay | Fast2Cash: You should be able to just drag and drop your files. Here's the Sansa FAQ I was talking about: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaFAQ. |
| 23:53:48 | advcomp2019 | yes, you can transfer your music just fine if you read the manual too |
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