#rockbox 2008-06-20

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#rockbox log for 2008-06-20

00:01:23	Armand`	q: I have a 5th or 5.5th gen iPod video here. how would I found out which one it actually is? trying to find the battery capacity in mAh for it...
00:02:48	scorche\|sh	Armand`: perhaps by serial number from the ones listed on Apple's site?
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00:05:10	Fast2Cash	You guys, it worked FLAWLESSLY. Perfect, and everything. I appreciate it. Im off now, i'll be back! Thank you again!
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00:07:49	Armand`	apple's specs pages only seem to list play times...
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00:08:12	BigBambi	Armand`: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353
00:08:46	MarcGuay	Booya! Found the backlight pin on the c100! Grunt-work pays off.
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00:11:19	Armand`	BigBambi: thanks.
00:11:41	Armand`	mine appears to be the late 2006 iPod video 80GB, still nothing on Apple's page on actual battery capacity... I could have sworn I found a page listing it somewhere, but I can't for the life of me remember wher it was
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00:16:51	BCM43	anybody know about the Gigabeat S, and if it is woth an install to test for bugs?
00:17:17	Fast2Cash	Hey can somebody help explain to me how to install a theme i downloaded? Do i just replace the .rockbox folder with the one i just downloaded?
00:17:56	bluebrother	unzip the theme zip so its contents go to the player while keeping the structure. I.e. you'll get some additional stuff in the .rockbox folder
00:18:06	BigBambi	BCM43: Not unless you are a dev yet
00:18:24	BigBambi	It isn't complete, so pointing out bugs is a little pointless
00:18:26	Fast2Cash	Unzip it to the sansa root folder?
00:18:27	BCM43	BigBambi: ok, do you know if it is being worked on?
00:18:30	BigBambi	yes
00:18:37	BCM43	ok, thanks
00:18:38	pixelma	assuming the theme is made correctly
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00:21:15	Fast2Cash	Okay i extracted it to the root folder, is that it? Just reboot and it will work?
00:21:31	scorche\|sh	you need to select it....the manual should go over this
00:21:48	bluebrother	no need to reboot
00:22:25	scorche\|sh	bluebrother: well, being that it is on a sansa...
00:23:21	Fast2Cash	Found it.
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01:20:14	iJason	Hi
01:21:49	iJason	just wondering if Rockbox will ever appear on the iPod classic
01:21:57	iJason	just wondering if rockbox will ever appear on the iPod Classic
01:21:59	scorche\|sh	not as long as no one is working on it
01:22:04	iJason	oh ok
01:22:41	iJason	i had a 5g video but its dead
01:22:58	iJason	i now have the 160gb classic
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02:14:21	Fast2Cash	Is anyone still on here willing to help with Rockbox install?
02:16:42	MarcGuay	Fast2Cash: I thought it was working...
02:17:45	Fast2Cash	No it is
02:17:52	Fast2Cash	But my girlfriend wants it too :D
02:18:02	Fast2Cash	Wanna help? Shes gotta Sansa e200...not R.
02:18:11	advcomp2019	that is easier
02:18:25	Fast2Cash	I downloaded the Rockbox utility downloader thing.
02:18:34	MarcGuay	You're good. Just run RB util.
02:18:53	Fast2Cash	Well it says choose where its mounted.
02:19:05	MarcGuay	Does the auto-detect not work?
02:19:12	Fast2Cash	And it says Drive K: and i choose auto-detect, it fails...and then i do it manually, and it STILL fails.c
02:19:35	scorche\|sh	Fast2Cash: what version is the original firmware?
02:19:46	MarcGuay	Ah. Did you read the header on the e200 port page?
02:19:52	MarcGuay	Too slow.
02:20:14	Fast2Cash	The version?
02:20:22	Fast2Cash	Its v1 i checked.
02:21:02	Fast2Cash	And i changed it to MSC.
02:21:50	MarcGuay	So you have it set to Sansa e200 on K: drive and you're choosing "Complete Installation"?
02:23:05	MarcGuay	The specific error message may be helpful.
02:23:37	Fast2Cash	yes.
02:24:38	Fast2Cash	Could not detect device, select manually.
02:25:12	MarcGuay	Do you see 2 drives mounted in exporer?
02:25:52	MarcGuay	*explorer
02:26:40	MarcGuay	What's the error when you set it manually and click "Complete Installation"?
02:27:40	Fast2Cash	Manually it says "Not detected!"
02:27:55	Fast2Cash	And now my pc isnt even recognizing it
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02:30:35	Fast2Cash	Im going to go try it at her house.
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02:48:05	mrjohn	what's the latest with the sansa express?
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02:49:21	saratoga	i think no one is working on it
02:49:42	mrjohn	oh ok
02:50:19	mrjohn	is the express' sound quality better than the e200?
02:51:28	saratoga	this isn't the right place to ask
02:52:17	mrjohn	so what can i ask here
02:52:27	saratoga	rockbox stuff
02:53:01	mrjohn	ok
02:53:01	saratoga	theres actually a handy rules link that popped up when you logged in
02:53:10	scorche\|sh	and is in the topic too
02:56:14	mrjohn	i missed it
02:56:40	mrjohn	so who is the leader of this development
02:56:53	scorche\|sh	of what development?
02:58:48	mrjohn	rockbox
02:59:02	scorche\|sh	we dont have a defined leader
02:59:11	scorche\|sh	people work on what they wish to work on
02:59:28	mrjohn	but shouldnt it have a bit more organization
02:59:40	scorche\|sh	what do you mean?
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03:01:12	mrjohn	with a leader there would be more organization
03:01:24	scorche\|sh	i still dont see what you are getting at
03:01:57	mrjohn	with everyone doing anything they want.... somethings might take longer to do
03:02:09	mrjohn	rockbox is cool nevertheless
03:02:35	scorche\|sh	why would we force people to do something they dont wish to do?...it isnt like anyone gets paid
03:03:14	mrjohn	u r not being forced
03:03:27	mrjohn	but with a leader, u would be more organized
03:03:39	mrjohn	more focused on specific goals
03:04:22	Llorean	If the leader doesn't have the ability to enforce dictates, he's just a guy who says "Dudes, you should be working on X"
03:04:27	Llorean	We've already got a few thousand of those.
03:05:22	mrjohn	so it's more of a laissez faire approach
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03:06:09	scorche\|sh	well, this is an open source project being worked on by unpaid volunteers who come and go as they please
03:06:29	mrjohn	interesting
03:06:43	scorche\|sh	do you know how open source works?
03:07:48	mrjohn	yes i do
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03:09:15	Llorean	To be fair, many projects do have a "head" who makes the final decisions about project direction
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03:09:50	wastrel	i have an e250
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03:10:38	scorche\|sh	Llorean: yes, but even then it is a "we will not accept X patch" sort of thing which we alreayd do and can be strengthenes by the board
03:10:55	Llorean	Yeah. But some also have roadmaps
03:11:05	Llorean	But it's still not leadership, just organization, I think
03:11:51	scorche\|sh	indeed, but it is still a "Dudes, you should be working on X" sort of thing unless they say soemthing like "you will have commit access revoked if you do not do Y"
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03:13:59	scorche\|sh	it depends on his definition of a leader, i suppose
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04:19:13	wastrel	is it possible to download flash video and convert it to play in rockbox?
04:20:09	scorche	you might want to have a go at searching google for an "flv to speg2" convertor
04:22:22	[1]cool_walking_	*mpeg2
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04:25:25	Kulsh123	I downloaded a theme and installed it and its a little glitchy, help?
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08:44:58	scorche	what would go there that wouldnt be satisfied by installation forums and the bug tracker?
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08:50:36	[1]cool_walking_	Is RbUtil really that hard to use?
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09:02:25	GodEater	Well we have a number of posts for people who have been trying to use it to install themes to their DAPs - I'm not sure this is really covered under the "Installation" sections of our forums, or the WPS section either
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12:29:57	BuXY95	hi, please help! my file browser is displaying files and directories in reversed order!
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12:35:47	BuXY95	tchan?
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12:37:57	BuXY95	anybody? :)
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12:41:28	gevaerts	BuXY95: a lot of people don't look at their irc window very often (work time in Europe). Eventually someone will answer (not me, I don't know how to fix this)
12:43:46	petur	BuXY95: File View settings?
12:44:16	petur	(under general settings)
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12:46:02	BuXY95	well, actually, leaving the unit alone for 10 minutes solved the problem.....
12:46:24	BuXY95	yeah, i have been RTFM, but no sign of ascending or descending order of file listing
12:46:54	BuXY95	gevaerts: i should be working now too :)
12:47:13	PaulJam	BuXY95: this seems to be a known issue. see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8949
12:49:04	BuXY95	thank you, this is a perfect description of my problem. and a perfect remedy. cancel my last note about leaving it alone!
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14:00:36	wpyh	preglow: why not?
14:01:23	preglow	think i'll leave that for then
14:01:29	gevaerts	preglow: you mean mapped as several volumes ?
14:02:05	*	gevaerts considers that unlikely
14:02:10	preglow	gevaerts: just thinking in the IF_MV2 sense of things, needing to pass a drive parameter
14:02:20	preglow	gevaerts: me too, so i'll drop it in the actual nand backend
14:02:27	preglow	should be a quick fix anyway
14:05:06	dionoea	Anyone here know what the internal audio format is in rockbox? s16<something>? u16?
14:05:20	preglow	depends on what level you mean
14:05:27	dionoea	after the decoder
14:05:28	preglow	it's 32 bit ints all the way through dsp
14:05:39	dionoea	so 1 sample is 32 bits?
14:05:45	preglow	the decoder can spit out s16 if it wants too, but it'll be converted to 32 bits
14:05:46	dionoea	(for each channel?)
14:05:47	preglow	yeah
14:05:48	preglow	yes
14:06:10	dionoea	thanks.
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14:07:01	funman	hello
14:07:18	dionoea	preglow: funman is porting some rockbox decoder to VLC (for fixed pointed computing) and has issues
14:07:34	funman	noobness issues i believe ^^
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14:10:40	funman	I'm not sure which format does the wma decoder output (in apps/codecs/libwma)
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14:11:23	funman	the asf container says it's encoded in 16bps, but maybe the codec does convert it
14:12:13	funman	in apps/codecs/wma.c decoded samples are given to ci->pcmbuf_insert()
14:13:02	preglow	funman: wma outputs 32 bit ints, non-interleaved stereo
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14:13:48	preglow	fixed point format, Q30
14:14:05	preglow	no wait, it's interleaved
14:14:47	preglow	asf container can say what it wants, wma is a transform codec, so the output precision is whatever you want it to be, and we want it to be 32 bits
14:14:50	funman	i'm using mono atm to avoid this kind of questions, and reask myself them later
14:14:57	preglow	good :)
14:15:24	funman	aah ok, it's clear now :)
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14:20:36	*	preglow finds out
14:22:09	preglow	HAVE_MULTIVOLUME seems to be used to decide if there is a memory card slot available. isn't this wrong?
14:22:24	gevaerts	Yes
14:23:29	gevaerts	I think HAVE_HOTSWAP is closer
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14:24:03	preglow	main_menu.c seems to use HAVE_MULTIVOLUME to decide if it should print out some values gotten from mmc land
14:24:09	*	gevaerts thinks that this HAVE_MULTIVOLUME/HAVE_HOTSWAP thing should be part of the Big Ata Refactoring
14:24:42	funman	preglow: vlc uses Q28, I'll need to do some conversion in between
14:24:46	gevaerts	I guess that needs to be HAVE_MMC
14:25:29	preglow	funman: just a simple shift
14:25:39	preglow	funman: we actually use q28 ourselves, but wma hasn't been fixed for that yet
14:25:52	preglow	gevaerts: definitely
14:25:59	funman	oh ok
14:26:09	preglow	gevaerts: we should also start treating memory cards equally
14:26:16	funman	damn I was going to do decimal conversions to understand the representation
14:26:17	preglow	gevaerts: i don't see a reason not to, anyway
14:26:25	pixelma	isn't it used for the microSD card info too, not sure that matters
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14:27:14	gevaerts	Do the ondios use mmc internally too ?
14:27:46	preglow	yeah
14:27:57	preglow	more or less like sd is for sansas
14:32:09	*	gevaerts decides not to look into all this right now. It's a mess
14:32:25	preglow	it is...
14:33:31	gevaerts	I think basically someone needs to go through all of firmware/ to see for what those defines are actually used, and then think of a new set of defines that matches that
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15:11:02	xqtftqx	Hey everybody, i downloaded the rb source
15:11:12	xqtftqx	and theres no rockboxdev.sh in the tools dir
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15:16:01	wpyh	xqtftqx: you need to check out the svn trunk for that
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15:18:18	xqtftqx	Ok thanks
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15:23:03	funman	hum with svn I can't get wma decoding work properly
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15:23:36	funman	I'm using the simulator, and wmav1 outputs complete crap, and wmav2 outputs correct samples but too fast
15:30:33	funman	strange... using different samplerates has no effect.. might be a bug in the container
15:30:57	funman	according to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecWMA it's supposed to work fine
15:31:45	funman	are you using some wma files ? I would appreciate a sample, I generate mines with ffmpeg
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15:39:23	saratoga	wma does work fine, I'm down to just 1 known problem sample
15:39:52	saratoga	though to be honest i don't think I've ever tried a V1 file, so no promises that it will do anything at all
15:40:27	funman	ok, then I suppose v2 files are more spread.
15:40:47	funman	what's the problem with your sample ?
15:41:36	saratoga	i've made something like a dozen fixes and it still clips
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15:42:22	saratoga	i think it was made with a very special encoder, its quite different then all the other wma files people have reported prpblems with
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15:43:21	funman	how does the ffmpeg decoder perform on it ?
15:44:30	saratoga	you mean encoder?
15:45:07	funman	nope, if the floating point ffmpeg decoder can decode it properly ^^
15:45:41	saratoga	oh yeah it can
15:45:45	funman	well I found a sample rockbox can decode.. I will use that one
15:45:54	saratoga	you have ones it can't?
15:46:09	saratoga	if they're WMA V2 I want them
15:46:25	funman	it can but .. there's something going wrong
15:46:48	funman	like if it was using a wrong samplerate
15:47:05	saratoga	what samplerate are they?
15:47:11	funman	I tried several
15:47:15	funman	44100 22050 11025
15:47:18	funman	mono / stereo
15:47:30	funman	I encode them with some recent ffmpeg
15:47:57	saratoga	its possible theres some issue with ffmpeg's files, i don't think its widely used so its unlikely anyone would have noticed
15:48:22	funman	sure, but I can't run windows media player or stuff ;)
15:49:03	funman	I'm using ffmpeg r13644 if it matters
15:49:22	saratoga	well if you've got a V2 file that doesn't work, send it to me and i'll look at it and tell you why
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15:49:55	funman	do I send you one I did encode with ffmpeg ?
15:50:00	funman	~6MB
15:50:11	funman	well
15:50:12	funman	3.1
15:51:43	funman	asf stream debug: - codec[0] audio name:"Windows Media Audio V8"
15:51:46	funman	Oo
15:52:10	saratoga	thats probably a V2 file, no idea why it identifies as coming from the wma8 encoder though if its from ffmpeg
15:52:27	funman	if(enc->codec_id == CODEC_ID_WMAV2)
15:52:27	funman	put_str16(pb, "Windows Media Audio V8");
15:52:52	funman	maybe a typo .. or maybe it's the commercial naming
15:54:41	funman	can I send you the file by mail ?
15:54:49	saratoga	yeah email is fine
15:55:00	saratoga	mgiacomelli at gmail
15:55:34	saratoga	if you're going to debug the codec, MS actually provides a bunch of WMA sample files produced with their encoder, I use those for testing
15:55:38	funman	I'll cut the first 500k
15:55:55	saratoga	don't cut it unless you have to
15:56:01	saratoga	http://www.mp3-tech.org/tests/wma9/index.html
15:56:09	funman	saratoga: I usually rip them from a windows xp install but I have none available
15:56:25	funman	saratoga: nothing interesting at the end of the file I guess
15:56:56	saratoga	testing with ffmpeg isn't the best idea since its based on the ffmpeg decoder, which is itself not 100% complete
15:57:19	saratoga	it also makes very odd choices about how to structure files that the MS decoder does not do
15:58:34	funman	you mean in ASF ?
15:58:34	saratoga	also where you the guy asking about assembly and portability the other day?
15:58:40	funman	nope
15:59:01	saratoga	weird someone came in the other day asked about wma, and left before I could answer
15:59:05	funman	I want to use the fixed point wma decoder in vlc
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15:59:14	saratoga	he wanted to use it on the PSP
15:59:14	funman	started working on it yesterday only
15:59:43	saratoga	the ffmpeg decoder does odd things with the layout of wma frames and deciding which wma feature to use on which files
15:59:53	saratoga	anyway I need to step out for 30 minutes
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16:00:00	funman	thanks for your help
16:00:07	funman	I send you the file
16:00:45	*	funman just notices
16:00:55	funman	you wrote the decoder for gsoc last year, didn't you ?
16:02:19	saratoga	actually I'll be around for a little while if you have questions about the decoder
16:02:26	saratoga	yeah i wrote a lot of it
16:03:36	funman	the sample is leaving
16:04:05	funman	well I never worked with audio decoding
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16:04:19	funman	so I still ignore a lot
16:04:47	funman	but at least I leaned the samples I was trying to use with my custom decoder can't be decoded by the original one, that's a first progress ;)
16:04:52	funman	learned*
16:07:49	saratoga	i've actually got a command line version of the decoder if that would help you debug
16:08:27	saratoga	though its quite messy and much, much slower so you must not use it in your actual port
16:08:57	funman	that'd be welcome :)
16:09:37	funman	my first goal is write a correct vlc plugin, which uses a correct/or not library (codecs/libwma in this case)
16:09:45	funman	second, fix the library if needed :)
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16:23:20	neliel-tu-odersc	is there a rockbox version for the sansa fuze?
16:23:46	J-23	probably no
16:24:16	neliel-tu-odersc	why probably?
16:24:30	J-23	because I don't know.
16:24:47	J-23	I checked it at rockbox.org, there is no Fuze port
16:24:55	neliel-tu-odersc	damn
16:25:16	neliel-tu-odersc	rockbox sounds cool
16:26:05	saratoga	funman: http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/wmadecoder.zip
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16:26:14	GodEater	all the models which Rockbox runs on are listed clearly on the front page of www.rockbox.org
16:26:20	J-23	only C200, E200 and (testing) M200 are supported
16:26:30	saratoga	does VLC run on embedded devices?
16:26:33	funman	saratoga: thanks
16:26:36	funman	yes
16:26:39	gevaerts	M200 is in development, not testing yet
16:26:46	saratoga	which CPUs?
16:27:04	funman	arm?
16:27:05	J-23	Sansa Fuze sounds cool too ;)
16:27:19	funman	saratoga: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/28/2151215 I'm working for this company
16:27:33	funman	the one doing the port of vlc to this device
16:27:51	funman	(I'm at work right now)
16:28:02	saratoga	funman: the open neuros people have also ported the wma codec to neuros hardware
16:28:03	GodEater	saratoga: there's a version at least for the iphone
16:28:27	funman	saratoga: I wasn't aware !
16:28:40	saratoga	you'll be using ARM and C5400 DSP then I presume?
16:29:31	J-23	Why E200 v2 aren't supported?
16:29:53	funman	It's called something 6446 I presume
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16:31:11	saratoga	we provide ARM assembly optimized routines where appropriate, so performance should be fairly good on TI hardware, but for best battery life, you may want to use the DSP for various things
16:31:12	GodEater	J-23: because they're not the same as the E200 v1 internally
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16:31:32	J-23	What's the difference?
16:31:39	GodEater	pretty much everything
16:31:39	saratoga	everything is different
16:31:40	funman	saratoga: The device I got here has no battery :)
16:31:45	J-23	;/
16:31:50	saratoga	oh then you won't need to bother
16:31:57	GodEater	the only similarity is the shell all the electronics sit in
16:32:21	funman	saratoga: where did you see a wma decoder for neuros CPU ?
16:32:51	J-23	you should advertise Rockbox and incite people to donate RB :D
16:33:06	gevaerts	donate RB ?
16:33:38	GodEater	J-23: donations aren't what drive the project (although people do donate already)
16:33:55	funman	developers wanted I guess ?
16:33:57	saratoga	funman: last fall one of their developers asked about it and eventually ported it
16:37:56	J-23	GodEater: but when project is donated, developers can buy hardware and hack it.
16:38:09	saratoga	i don't think we buy hardware with donations usually
16:38:26	petur	not even beer...
16:39:11	GodEater	J-23: yes they can, if they want to - but most don't. Most developers already have more devices than we have ports for.
16:39:31	GodEater	the last thing they'll want to do is give themselves MORE work to do
16:40:09	petur	was just going to correct you: 'more devices than they have time for'
16:40:22	GodEater	that too ;)
16:42:10	J-23	so they can buy unsupported devices and hack them.
16:42:21	GodEater	they already HAVE unsupported devices...
16:42:28	J-23	ahh...
16:42:29	GodEater	what they need is TIME, and you can't buy that
16:43:06	petur	unless we have that much donations so some of us can code rockbox full-time :)
16:43:19	J-23	so we need to send them to Mars, while traveling in space they will have time to hack players :D
16:43:43	GodEater	petur: doesn't rockbox then become a business, and get itself encumbered with more legal issues ?
16:43:49	*	petur puts J-23 with both feet on the ground again
16:44:02	funman	Maybe with donations you can sponsor physics researchs
16:44:05	petur	GodEater: probably :/
16:44:12	funman	and find a way to extend time perception
16:46:28	*	GodEater thinks that while a Rockbox port is "up there" on his list of "very difficult things to do", finding a way to extend time is probably somewhat trickier still
16:47:01	funman	:)
16:48:06	GodEater	I am, of course, willing to be proved wrong :)
16:48:51	funman	Your 2 last sentences were distant from 10 minutes for me !
16:49:32	GodEater	hahaha
16:49:50	*	GodEater is willing to accept donations for this amazing ability he has discovered
16:54:43	*	petur fetches a paperclip :/
16:55:47	GodEater	H180 locked up again?
16:56:19	petur	h380... yes
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17:02:09	J-23	hmm
17:02:58	J-23	I tried playing music with original firmware and now I think playing right sound channel only is player hardware defect
17:03:08	J-23	it worked few weeks ago
17:09:36	funman	saratoga: good news!
17:09:59	funman	saratoga: I can play mono/wmav2 fine with VLC / while rockbox can not play this sample fine
17:10:10	funman	so I suppose the bug is in the asf parser
17:10:21	funman	and your decoder is fine
17:10:34	funman	I'll try to find some time to find the cause
17:12:13	saratoga	funman: is this the file you sent me?
17:13:49	funman	yes
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17:14:16	funman	I can play stereo also
17:14:26	funman	I have problems with multiple frames in one ASF packet
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17:25:50	saratoga	funman: i fixed it in my test driver
17:26:12	saratoga	the problem is that that file has a very large number of payloads per file
17:26:31	saratoga	which causes the parser to fail unless you increase the amount of memory allocated
17:26:41	funman	is there a worst case ?
17:26:54	funman	or is the memory size just guessed out of the wild
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17:29:24	saratoga	just guessed
17:29:32	saratoga	we don't have the MS spec so who knows how big it can be
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17:35:25	funman	asf2.0 spec is public but unfortunately you can't use it when coding open source
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17:36:21	petur	since when can't one use a spec?
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17:37:31	funman	since the licence you have to accept to read it says you should not publish software which let other people guess what is in the spec
17:37:37	funman	even though they can download it themselves ..
17:38:02	funman	of course the police is not gonna check if you have read it or not
17:38:22	saratoga	yes i've been complaining to a everyone in the MS codec group who will listen about that
17:38:40	saratoga	its quite silly now that they've given away the WMV spec to have ridiculous terms of the asf container
17:38:48	saratoga	but i guess one hand doesn't know what the others doing
17:38:53	funman	mms is also public now
17:39:01	funman	saratoga: yep
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17:39:38	saratoga	linuxstb: whenever you're around I need to ask you about the asf parser
17:39:56	funman	it's bugging me also right now :)
17:40:33	funman	I have a file with 8 frames (say wma_decode_superframe_init()) in the 3716 bytes ASF packet
17:40:54	funman	but how do I know where in the 3716 bytes the 1st frame end ?
17:41:31	funman	apps/codecs/wma.c just seems to not seek and use the same buffer
17:41:32	saratoga	i don't think you can without decoding it
17:41:52	funman	once decoded, I only know how many decoded samples I have
17:43:27	saratoga	asf packets are time stamped, so generally one seeks by looking for the right asf packet
17:43:52	saratoga	since the data is huffman coded in the packets, I don't think theres any easy way to associate any given byte with a given wma frame or block
17:44:37	saratoga	and since wma is a transform codec, each decoded sample can be computed from the contents of more then 1 frame anyway
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17:57:48	funman	I must be tired ...
17:58:04	funman	I put a DEBUGF() in apps/codecs/wma.c and got nothing
17:58:14	funman	to confirm I put an abort() .. and it runs fine :(
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18:01:25	funman	I hope a whole week end of being drunk will shed some light .. :)
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18:15:12	scorche\|sh	yes, but as it requires a lot of resources, you may be better off transcoding to something else
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18:54:03	Ezraghast	somebody uses my forum name - damn them!
18:54:37	Ezraghast	somebody uses my forum name - damn them!
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18:56:02	pixelma	be a bit patient, the web client is a bit laggy sometimes, no need to repeat yourself. Also - do you have a Rockbox related question?
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20:49:22	agaffney	I just installed the current sansa e2xx build on my e260, and it "froze" when scanning for FM stations
20:49:36	agaffney	it's stuck at 99.75MHz and I can't do anything but turn the screen on when it goes off automatically
20:50:05	agaffney	the power button doesn't even seem to work
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20:50:25	scorche\|sh	hold it for 15 seconds
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20:50:49	agaffney	ah, just didn't hold it long enough
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20:50:51	scorche\|sh	if it is reproducible, could you submit a bug report?
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20:51:04	agaffney	I was holding it for ~10s until the blue light on the ring went off
20:51:09	agaffney	absolutely
20:51:16	*	agaffney tries it again
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20:52:19	agaffney	just finished scanning
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21:09:04	doke	Good evening everybody
21:09:19	doke	I'm having some troubles to read the .lng file to build my own voice pack
21:09:27	doke	what encoding is this file in?
21:09:39	doke	nano displays very strange signes
21:09:54	doke	notpad on windows put the file in some kind of pagination
21:11:23	doke	please?
21:12:10	scorche\|sh	the .lng file is likely not what you are after...have a look at the .lang files
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21:12:29	scorche\|sh	.lng is a binary...
21:12:50	doke	awww damn me
21:12:54	doke	thanks a lot
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21:13:46	krazykit	doke, see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles
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21:27:58	MTee	Hi all
21:32:31	wastrel	hi
21:32:33	wastrel	it's friday
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21:35:18	MTee	where's the code for the txt viewer ?
21:36:15	PaulJam_	MTee: /apps/plugins/viewer.c
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21:41:39	MTee	PaulJam_:Thanks
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21:46:14	MarcGuay	mcuelenaere: Is that Creative wiki page of any use? Just wondering if it should stay in the ghost-pile or be made more visible.
21:47:11	mcuelenaere	MarcGuay: I suppose itsn't of any real use, it's intention was (like I said on the wiki) for a merge of different pages
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21:47:46	MarcGuay	mcuelenaere: Alright, I'll just leave it be then. Seemed to me like most of the info was on the ZVM page anyway.
21:47:47	mcuelenaere	but as the original author stopped maintaining it and I don't see the point of it, I suppose it could be removed
21:47:51	mcuelenaere	indeed
21:48:12	mcuelenaere	well, not all information is there actually
21:48:18	mcuelenaere	but it should be all linked from there
21:48:40	MarcGuay	Looking at buying a broken Zen V Plus to crack open and poke at...
21:49:01	mcuelenaere	:) shouldn't you first get your c100 running?
21:49:19	MarcGuay	mcuelenaere: ha... my mild ADD is creeping up...
21:49:54	mcuelenaere	MarcGuay: ADD? Attention Deficit Disorder?
21:51:55	MarcGuay	mcuelenaere: Yeah I'm just kidding though...
21:53:12	shotofadds	Evening all. I'm having a dopey day and need some help with my ARM code...
21:53:31	shotofadds	This: http://pastebin.ca/1052111 is my current I2S FIQ handler, which works nicely.
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22:08:13	shotofadds	hmm, where was I? I want to update the code so that registers are only stacked when necessary, ie if more_data is called.
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22:08:55	shotofadds	but, if I include the three commented-out lines, it starts sending data to the FIFO at about 200% speed.
22:09:05	shotofadds	I can't figure it out :/
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22:20:05	MarcGuay	Is it safe to say that the "charger_inserted" method in power-target.c is just checking to see if the USB cable has been inserted?
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22:23:05	MTee	does anyone here use any tools to help you read the code (like Doxygen for example ),or you just open an editor and dig through the code ?
22:23:18	__Dragon__	is there a video converter that will not cut off part of the video i can use so i can get them on my ipod photo?
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22:24:23	MarcGuay	MTee: Notepad++ is free and makes things very readable.
22:24:30	BigBambi	__Dragon__: see www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer
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22:25:10	MarcGuay	MTee: If you mean step-debugging I don't know of any. Unfamiliar with Doxygen.
22:26:52	MTee	MarcGuay : I'm not familiar with Doxygen either .. I was just asking to see if there's such a tool, checking notepad++ now/
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22:29:32	__Dragon__	<BigBambi> but will it cut off part of the video or will it resize it?
22:30:14	BigBambi	There are various options on that page that will transcode and resize
22:30:22	BigBambi	If you are using windows I suggest WinFF
22:30:31	__Dragon__	just installed it
22:31:05	__Dragon__	i had some problem converting once before; it ended up cutting part of the video
22:31:39	BigBambi	You need to select the correct size to convert to
22:32:12	*	shotofadds hopes someone like amiconn or jhMikeS might see his question in the logs...
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22:35:04	mcuelenaere	shotofadds: (I'm no expert in this, just trying to help :) ): you're sure this is conform GCC calling standards?
22:35:35	mcuelenaere	s/):/) :/
22:35:58	shotofadds	mcuelenaere: it's using the naked attribute and taking advantage of the extra banked registers in FIQ mode.
22:36:19	*	gevaerts gets emo-sick from mcuelenaere's typing
22:36:24	mcuelenaere	yes, but I'm talking about the pcm_callback call
22:36:43	mcuelenaere	gevaerts: just a little mixup, the second emo wasn't meant
22:36:44	shotofadds	the calls out should be fine - they're copied from the PP driver, and do work in the current version.
22:36:57	mcuelenaere	ah ok, never mind then
22:37:17	shotofadds	I just can't work out what would possible cause the behaviour I'm seeing
22:38:37	mcuelenaere	BTW why would you stack r0-r3 twice? it is only used in the .more_data AFAICS
22:39:57	mcuelenaere	ah never mind, got it
22:40:25	__Dragon__	it's not working
22:40:31	shotofadds	yeah, the idea is to remove the top-and-tail ones
22:41:25	mcuelenaere	shotofadds: you mean the first line and the one before "subs pc, lr, #4" or the other?
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22:42:04	__Dragon__	blah that program doesn't work -.-
22:42:24	shotofadds	mcuelenaere: what you said :)
22:42:39	shotofadds	that way nothing is stacked unless more_data is called
22:43:12	mcuelenaere	ah yes, I was just a bit confused
22:43:17	*	Bagder salutes committer #63
22:43:55	pixelma	yay! :)
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22:44:26	*	MarcGuay bows
22:44:32	scorche\|sh	that was a short trial period on the ML...i ahdnt even noticed the mails )
22:44:33	scorche\|sh	:)
22:44:45	MarcGuay	Thanks folks.
22:44:57	scorche\|sh	MarcGuay: eventful week for you :)
22:45:19	MarcGuay	scorche: I go back to work on Monday.
22:45:24	*	gevaerts joins the party
22:45:33	mcuelenaere	MarcGuay: congrats! (BTW is it Marg or Marc?)
22:45:45	MarcGuay	Ask Badger. ;)
22:46:02	*	Bagder looks innocent and whistles
22:46:03	MarcGuay	Zing.
22:46:23	Bagder	alcohol doesn't affet me. noooo
22:46:24	MarcGuay	mcuelenaere: It's Marc.
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22:46:30	Bagder	haha can't even spell
22:46:50	scorche\|sh	BaGDer: didnt notice ;)
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22:49:08	pixelma	someone with a colour display Ipod around who could help me out real quick finding out the controls so I can describe them in the manual? Easiest if one could just try, the wheel position controls are not simulated and I can't figure out whether they completely override the ususal button defines (which are there too)
22:49:21	pixelma	in Rockboy...
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23:03:21	mcuelenaere	why doesn't the wiki allow you linking to %ATTACHURL%/some_html_page.htm ? ( returns with http://www.rockbox.org/nospam.html )
23:04:25	pixelma	you just want to link to another site?
23:04:38	mcuelenaere	no, %ATTACHURL% means it is an uploaded file
23:04:47	BigBambi	I'm just updating the stats plugin to include recently added music files - what are people's thoughts on it also displaying video and image files?
23:04:47	mcuelenaere	attached*
23:05:36	mcuelenaere	pixelma: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OndaVX747 (see "VX747writer's workflow is like this:" )
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23:24:38	pixelma	no-one with a colour display Ipod around
23:25:03	gevaerts	pixelma: I'll get mine
23:25:20	pixelma	nice, thanks
23:27:11	*	gevaerts updates it first. r17188 is probably too old
23:27:24	*	bluebrother has some basic system info dialog for rbutil working
23:27:53	pixelma	gevaerts: that shouldn't matter for the Rockboy controls
23:28:16	gevaerts	ok. I've never used rockboy before. I guess I'll need some kind of rom ?
23:28:36	pixelma	yeah...
23:29:21	BigBambi	bluebrother: just for displaying system info, or for pointing out e.g. if people don't have sufficient rights
23:29:23	BigBambi	+?
23:29:43	bluebrother	the latter. Otherwise it would be pointless ;-)
23:29:52	bluebrother	and for debugging with some additional stuff.
23:29:52	BigBambi	I was guessing so?
23:30:00	BigBambi	s/?/:)
23:30:25	BigBambi	Nice work - could save a good few conversations here + forum
23:36:09	bluebrother	BigBambi: shot here: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutil-sysinfo.jpg
23:36:39	BigBambi	bluebrother: excellent :)
23:36:55	bluebrother	it's w32 only, but that doesn't keep me away from finishing it ;-)
23:37:05	bluebrother	any idea what system information else would be good?
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23:37:24	BigBambi	It will be nice to be able to say "do you have admin rights" "I don't know" "Click on sysinfo" :)
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23:37:57	BigBambi	bluebrother: will it use it automatically if you try to write a e.g. Ipod bootloader without sufficient rights?
23:38:54	bluebrother	no, not yet. My initial idea is to have it in the menu and if people have problems with rbutil ask them to post the sysinfo output somewhere.
23:39:11	BigBambi	certainly a fine start
23:39:24	bluebrother	extending it is always possible ;-)
23:39:32	BigBambi	Is it possible to translate the VID and PID into known device names?
23:39:37	bluebrother	but I should also finish my bootloader install rework.
23:39:54	bluebrother	theoretically yes. But I don't know how I can do that using w32api
23:39:57	BigBambi	So that we don't need to check a look up table manually to see if they have connected correctly
23:40:15	BigBambi	perhaps internally in rbutil?
23:40:41	BigBambi	So we know that an ipod colour has xxx and yyy and rbutil does a translation?
23:40:43	bluebrother	hmm. Would be an option. But OTOH I'd like it better to grab the description from the device itself.
23:40:55	bluebrother	not all players have unique PIDs
23:41:08	BigBambi	OK
23:41:12	bluebrother	and I'd prefer to not maintain another list.
23:41:35	BigBambi	It would still help to check that there was e.g. an ipod connected at all and not just a usb keyboard for example
23:41:48	bluebrother	sansa and ipods (I guess the most problematic users) aren't detected using PIDs anyway.
23:41:53	BigBambi	OK
23:42:04	BigBambi	yes, as they need admin/root for raw disk access
23:42:16	bluebrother	I agree. But for now I'm fine with the current PID display.
23:42:17	BigBambi	in that case, not much point
23:42:25	BigBambi	yep
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