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#rockbox log for 2008-06-21

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00:19:53PaulJam_am i right in thinking that there is no function in rockbox to convert a unix timestamp to a tm struct (something like localtime() or gmtime())?
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00:46:29bluebrotherBigBambi: if you're interested, the same on linux. Unfortunately the permission thingy is a bit more complicated (as I need to check against GIDs).
00:47:43BigBambiI certainly am interested - even just going back to yesterday I had an overly long conversation with someone as they didn't know what rights they had
00:48:05BigBambiAnything to enable us to check unambiguously is a bonus :)
00:48:39bluebrotherin that case you might also be interested in
00:48:55bluebrotherI wrote it to figure that w32api stuff :)
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00:50:37mcuelenaerebluebrother: userinfo.exe says me that I have admin privileges while I don't (I'm on Vista and haven't run it as a administrator)
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00:51:00mcuelenaereit gives me the same message when run with and without admin privileges
00:51:12BigBambi_Sorry, I had to restart my router. 80 kpbs over wireless is no fun
00:51:33bluebrothermcuelenaere: hmm, interesting. Could this be you being admin but UAC kicking in?
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00:51:42BigBambi_bluebrother: cheers, I'l try it next time I am on Windows :)
00:52:07mcuelenaerebluebrother: something like that I presume
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00:52:47amiconnOn Vista rbutil ne
00:52:48mcuelenaerebut shouldn't you be able to do a UAC request through some win32 api on vista?
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00:53:02amiconns/ne/probably needs to trigger an UAC request/
00:53:26BigBambiThat's one hell of a typo :)
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00:54:22bluebrotherI tested on wxp and w2k and it works as expected.
00:54:37amiconnThis needs the executable to have a proper manifest. See ipodpatcher
00:55:15*bluebrother considers this manifest thing stupid
00:55:27pixelmabluebrother: I can confirm that it works in WinXP as expected (even when run as a different user)
00:55:58amiconnThe manifest is actually a good idea imho. And it's not difficult to add
00:56:41amiconnHave a look at ipodpatcher.manifest, ipodpatcher.rc and the Makefile (linking the resource)
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00:58:00bluebrotherI'll try to create a new binary with a manifest tomorrow for some guys with vista to check
00:58:30amiconnIirc you can add a resource (and hence a manifest) to an existing .exe
00:59:09amiconnA quick test just needs putting the .manifest into the same folder as the .exe
01:00:18amiconnipodpatcher.manifest can be copied almost verbation, only the name="ipodpatcher.exe" in line 3 needs changing
01:00:40bluebrothernice. Does someone with vista want to try ...?
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01:03:05amiconnAnother possibility for a quick test doesn't even need a manifest. Just rename the .exe to setup.exe ...
01:03:11mcuelenaeredoes explorer has some kind of cache for manifest files? because it doesn't seem to work..
01:03:18amiconn(then Vista uses its "heuristics")
01:04:31mcuelenaeresetup.exe method works BTW
01:04:35*bluebrother remembers reading about this broken concept some time back
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01:12:06*pixelma needs a nice introduction sentence for the touchpad style controls in Rockboy for Ipods
01:12:34BigBambiTouchpads are arse?
01:12:58BigBambipixelma: However, being serious, slong what lines?
01:13:23amiconnmcuelenaere: crashes for me when testing on Vista (in a VM)
01:13:45mcuelenaeremine is a freshly installed RTM (no SP1)
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01:15:04pixelmaBigBambi: along the lines that the touch wheel serves as a pad in Rockboy. It is devided into 8 segments which you use as buttons by tapping (top, top-right, right... and so on)
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01:16:03pixelmaI alread have "Tap blah" in the button table but would like to explain it shortly before
01:17:04pixelmasomehow that sentence doesn't sound right...
01:18:05BigBambiWithin Rockboy the touch wheel is used as a touchpad. It is split into 8 segments that when tapped correspond to 8 buttons such as Up, Diagonal Up and Left, Left, and so on.
01:18:05BigBambiSomething like that?
01:18:17BigBambiperhaps s/segments/sections
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01:21:02pixelmathe diagonal sections are used for completely different "buttons" (A and B button, start and select)
01:21:27pixelmabut it already sounds better than what I could think of
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01:21:44BigBambi Within Rockboy the touch wheel is used as a touchpad. It is split into 8 sections that when tapped correspond to 8 buttons as detailed in Table x.
01:22:09pixelmasounds nice, thanks :)
01:22:29BigBambino probs :)
01:24:19pixelmais "touch wheel" vs. "touchpad" correct? How's the space handled there?
01:25:33BigBambiI would do it as that
01:26:06BigBambitouchpad seems to me to be a word, whereas touchwheel isn't
01:26:20BigBambiHowever, I only have what feels right to back me up :)
01:26:33BigBambiI'm sure on touchpad
01:26:40pixelmaor maybe I should just use "wheel" to circumvent the problem ;)
01:26:46BigBambitouch wheel vs. touchwheel is arguable
01:26:55BigBambipixelma: yes, that'd work :)
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01:30:05amiconnThe correct name would be clickwheel according to apple
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01:30:48amiconnOnly the 2nd and 3rd Gen have a touchwheel - and that one doesn't allow reading absolute positions
01:32:08amiconnpixelma: Btw, you need to distinguish the wheel types for the manuals
01:32:12*pixelma wonders whether the ones who (should) read this manual section would understand "clickwheel" </sarcasm>
01:33:11amiconnThe clickwheel ipods except the mini 1st Gen support touch positions. The scrollwheel and touchwheel ipods and the mini 1st Gen don't
01:33:29pixelmaamiconn: for Rockboy? The greyscale Ipds don't have Rockboy yet... or is this used anywhere else?
01:33:52amiconnHmm, then it's not yet necessary by coincidence
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02:42:40MTeeanybody there ?
02:43:00krazykitMTee, if you have a question, please just ask.
02:43:48MTeewell, I have just added the arabic character set to a font .. so I was asking for someone to edit the wiki ?
02:44:44krazykitit's a wiki, you can edit it yourself
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02:47:28MTeesilly me :) .... anyway, just found it was already marked in the wiki
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02:49:28MTeekrazykit : shall I upload it to the svn or what ?
02:50:32LloreanMTee: If you want to get it included, you should submit it to the patch tracker.
02:51:45MTeeLlorean : ok , it's ~4AM in here, so tomorrow I'll make some final modifications and submit it.
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02:54:16MTeeany pointers on how to begin coding ? I have built the cross compiler and was able to compile a simulator, but don't know where to go next ..
02:54:45krazykitMTee, learn C would be the big one ;)
02:55:18wastrelsome people like C
02:55:22MTeekrazykit : I already know C :) ..
02:56:15LloreanSo what exactly are you asking then?
02:57:04MTeeI have never worked on real projects, all the programming I did in C was just solving some exercises so when looking through the code I feel kind of lost
02:57:57MTeeis there a simple patch to start working on or something like that ?
02:59:03LloreanUnfortunately, simple tasks have a tendency to get done by someone
02:59:33LloreanYou're best off looking into what you're interested in, and just trying to work out what bits do. Ask questions, play with the code. Maybe write a few plugins to test ideas.
03:00:41MTeei see
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03:14:31Sir_Lewk_I've been using rockbox on my ipod video for a few months now and just now ran into an issue
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03:15:10Sir_Lewk_whenever I press the 'next' or 'last' buttons it jumps forward or backward in the song by a few seconds instead of skipping to the next/last song
03:15:36Sir_Lewk_it didn't used to do this, I think I changed some option somewhere but can't figure out which, anyone have any idea?
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03:18:36LloreanSir_Lewk_: You may have enabled study mode.
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03:18:54mewshihello :)
03:20:27mewshiCould I get some help?
03:20:47Lloreanmewshi: Generally it's best to just ask your question. Nobody around can know if they can help until they know what you need
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03:21:31Sir_Lewk_Llorean, that was it. thanks :)
03:22:31Sir_Lewk_mewshi, I'm willing to help if I can
03:23:01mewshiDo you know much about 1st gen ipod nanos?
03:24:38krazykitmewshi, just ask the question about them.
03:25:54mewshiMy girlfriend's is dead
03:25:57mewshiwhen it's plugged in
03:26:02mewshiit makes a strange buzzing noise
03:26:22Sir_Lewk_through the speakers you mean?
03:27:16krazykitso it doesn't boot into rockbox or the OF, then?
03:27:24mewshiwon't turn on
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03:29:24krazykitmewshi, try a hard reset: flip hold on then off, and then hold menu and select for 6 to 8 seconds, until the apple logo shows
03:29:33mewshiTried it
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03:35:26Lloreanmewshi: You turned hold on then off again first? This is actually pretty important.
03:35:32LloreanI'd also recommend holding them down for 20 seconds.
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05:45:57FuriousGeorgehey all
05:46:47FuriousGeorgefollowing the guide here. at the bottom it describes how to encode in linux for my sansa using ffmpeg
05:47:13FuriousGeorgeffmpeg -i infile.avi -s 220x176 -vcodec mpeg2video -ar 44100 -acodec mp3 outfile.mpeg
05:47:41FuriousGeorgethis works, except that the aspect ratio is not preserved, so if the video isnt 3x4, it will stretch it vertically
05:48:40FuriousGeorgeunlike the rockbox windows encoder, which will not touch the aspect ratio. it will letterbox the video on my tiny screen, which is not terrible, but i was actually hoping to scale it when the video was wider than my screen, and crop the sides
05:49:49MU{lappy}you might do better w/ avidemux or mplayer for that, since you can fairly easily set up video filters to scale/crop etc to get your video as you like
05:50:01MU{lappy}i don't know a way to crop w/ ffmpeg.. which is not to say that there isn't one :D
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05:58:12FuriousGeorgeMU{lappy}: never tried before. lemme see about that
06:05:53MU{lappy}avidemux has a gui, if you want to go that route. mencoder is pretty much CLI-only, although there are tools to provide a GUI to set up options
06:10:40FuriousGeorgeMU{lappy}: you know, i think i figured out the problem (im obviously no expert). my video is one resolution, my display is another. i can tell any encoder to make this file into a 220x176 version of itself, and it will, but of course it will be skewed.. iow, it's not gonna crop off the video...
06:11:02FuriousGeorgei just gotta cross multiply, encode it in the right resolution, then figure out how to scale it with any old encoder
06:11:52FuriousGeorgefor instance this one video is 608x336
06:12:52FuriousGeorgeso i would have to go 220x121 (or so) to preserve the ratio
06:18:08MU{lappy}right, but you *want* it cropped to fill the screen, right? or maybe i didn't understand?
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06:48:19FuriousGeorgeMU{lappy}: yeah, i want it cropped... i found the -vf scale x:y option with mencoder
06:48:24FuriousGeorgebut, of course,
06:48:33FuriousGeorgeim skipping frames all over the place and who knows why
06:54:11MU{lappy}hrm. what's the source, and did you specify a framerate for the output?
06:55:52MU{lappy}i *still* hit trouble w/ mencoder, and i've been using it for a good number of years now. framerates tend to be a common source of trouble, especially in MPEG sources where the source framerate may vary
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07:07:08FuriousGeorgeMU{lappy}: frame skipping is b/c new mencoder does 29 fps instead of 29.997 so every second a frame is skipped, and it outputs to stderr
07:07:14FuriousGeorgeforcing 29.97 fixes
07:07:42MU{lappy}hrm, is the input interlaced?
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07:08:14MU{lappy}29.97 probably means either TV (30 interlace frames/sec) or film that's been telecined
07:10:16MU{lappy}also, you probably want to use -ofps 30000/1001, although the difference between that an 29.97 is too small to matter except for fairly long videos
07:10:26MU{lappy}also, i *loathe* ntsc ;)
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07:20:09FuriousGeorgeMU{lappy}: i was confused being as that is a framerate used in analog tv, but let me find you the doc
07:21:06MU{lappy}aiui ntsc analog tv is "really" 30000/1001 fps, rather than 29.97. i could be mistaken, though.
07:21:51FuriousGeorgeyeah, it is for ntsc, even though i wasnt specifying ntsc, it was generating that error, and specifying that fps fixed it
07:23:29FuriousGeorgemencoder in_file.avi -of mpeg -oac mp3lame -lavcopts acodec=mp3:abitrate=128 -af resample=44100:0:0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate=200 -vf scale=220:176>,harddup -fps 30000/1001 -o file.mpeg
07:23:58FuriousGeorgethat produces poor quality video and it still has not honored my aspect ratio... lemme throw in a -zoom and some other options
07:24:49MU{lappy}well, if you want it cropped, you are going to need to use the crop filter.
07:26:19MU{lappy}also, is your input interlaced, telecined, or progressive? it's fairly unlikely to be progressive, and if it's interlaced it *might* look better deinterlaced, and telecined will almost definitely look better detelecined.
07:27:24MU{lappy}... although i guess it's possible that it *was* interlaced and somebody deinterlaced it before encoding it to the avi file you have
07:33:29FuriousGeorgei think its progressive
07:34:58FuriousGeorgesudo mencoder IN_file.avi -of mpeg -oac mp3lame -lavcopts acodec=mp3:abitrate=196:vmax_b_frames=16:vb_strategy=2 -af resample=44100:0:0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate=200 -vf scale=220:176,harddup -zoom -fps 30000/1001 -o OUT_file.mpeg <−−- this is what im trying now.... you want me to add anything?
07:36:24MU{lappy}... why sudo?
07:37:02MU{lappy}also, the lavcopts stuff about audio codec doesn't apply, since you're using mp3lame for audio instead of lavc
07:37:32MU{lappy}and if you want it cropped, unstretched, full screen on the sansa, you still need a crop filter
07:39:29MU{lappy}-vf crop=420:336:94:0,scale=220:176 ought to do
07:40:24MU{lappy}and harddup, if you really need that
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07:48:24FuriousGeorgeMU{lappy}: where did you get 94:0 from?
07:48:40FuriousGeorgeim currently rebuilding mplayer with mmxext and 3dnowext and cpudetection
07:49:00FuriousGeorgeas i was uni-processor and a bit too slow anyway before
07:49:35MU{lappy}420:336 is what you'd need to crop to to scale to 220x176 w/ stretching or letterboxing
07:49:56MU{lappy}and 94 is the number of pixels you'd need to crop off each side to go from 608->420
07:50:58FuriousGeorgei get it
07:51:44MU{lappy}but you're going to lose 30% of the picture altogether that way. i'd prefer letterboxed output myself.
07:51:47FuriousGeorgebut you meant 440, right?
07:53:01FuriousGeorgeMU{lappy}: iow, we are looking for a larger resolution than the devices, but with the same ratio. first we crop to that, then we adjust the res
07:53:01MU{lappy}you said input is 608x336
07:53:35FuriousGeorgeoic... dont we want a resolution on the same ratio as 220x176 to figure out how many to crop?
07:54:23MU{lappy}right, that would be 420x336, if you really want to crop off both sides until it has the same aspect ratio as the display
07:55:19FuriousGeorgeMU{lappy}: ok, so you just cross multiplied the other way... x/336::220/176
07:55:38FuriousGeorgeim with it now
07:56:06MU{lappy}like i said, i'd rather the letterboxed version myself, since you can't be sure about what's in the 15% cropped off each side
07:56:19FuriousGeorgei was thinking that too
07:56:24FuriousGeorgeotoh the screen is already so tiny
07:56:42MU{lappy}yeah, that's a serious issue on such a small screen
07:56:48MU{lappy}you could always do it stretched :)
07:57:14MU{lappy}... by 45%... probably very visible and ugly
07:58:00FuriousGeorgenot to mention that my ratio is >4:3 (it's 4.3.2), so if i get some 2.35x1 media, which i do from time to time, ill probably have to go more conservative on the shrinkage
07:58:11FuriousGeorgeMU{lappy}: i mean: zoomage
07:58:15FuriousGeorgeor scalage
07:59:30MU{lappy}right, your display is 5:4, there's basically nothing that can go on that w/o cropping or letterboxing
08:00:00MU{lappy}and, ick, 2.35:1 on that, letterboxed, would be 94px tall
08:00:49MU{lappy}i don't suppose something w/ a bigger and less square screen is in the budget? ;)
08:01:20FuriousGeorgeMU{lappy}: i could get an iphone, but then id have no reason to replace the firmware :)
08:01:54MU{lappy}aside from format support
08:02:30FuriousGeorgeMU{lappy}: even with the cracks the iphone lacks good support for a/v formats?
08:03:10MU{lappy}i have no idea. i don't have one, so i don't really care if you can make it play non-itunes format
08:07:44FuriousGeorgeim spoiled from years of using linux in one way: i feel limitations should be real not arbitrary
08:09:04MU{lappy}heh, yeah, but i'm not sure how hard it would be to add formats to the built-in media player
08:14:17FuriousGeorgeit needs an mpegplayer port
08:14:24FuriousGeorgefor the unlocked version :)
08:14:47FuriousGeorgeok, gonna try this again... was taking more than 45 minutes to software scale on my dual opty before
08:21:46FuriousGeorgeMU{lappy}: hmm... [CROP] Bad position/width/height - cropped area outside of the original!
08:21:55FuriousGeorgeit made sense to me when you explained it
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08:27:05FuriousGeorgeactually this may have to do with the recent upgrade
08:31:13FuriousGeorgehere we go
08:31:36FuriousGeorgeoffset is optional...
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08:49:23MU{lappy}FuriousGeorge: that's a very odd error to get, are you sure you had crop before scale?
08:49:38MU{lappy}also, you prolly want to add threads=2 to your lavcopts
08:50:21FuriousGeorgei did the latter
08:50:34FuriousGeorgeim sure i had crop...
08:50:53FuriousGeorgeMU{lappy}: the crazy thing is, it didnt crop
08:51:02FuriousGeorgeim taking out the :0:0 to see if it helps
08:53:58FuriousGeorgei think my low latency desktop kernel doesnt really take advantage of my cpus when i encode media
08:54:26FuriousGeorgeusing nice -11 im getting a load of about 1
08:54:34FuriousGeorge(2 cpus)
08:55:37FuriousGeorge.join #gentoo
08:55:50*FuriousGeorge didnt mean to spam
08:57:30MU{lappy}you might also wanna use -lavdopts threads=2
08:57:34MU{lappy}i get better utilization that way
08:57:52MU{lappy}also, i'd use top to get a good idea of what kind of CPU load you're having
08:58:24MU{lappy}and nice only matters when you're contending w/ other CPU-intensive processes, you probably don't really want to be using it
08:59:32MU{lappy}also, le sigh, apparently no way to support metadata for ac3 files w/o transcoding to another format :/
09:01:09FuriousGeorgeMU{lappy}: i know you didnt mislead me b/c i verified that -vf crop stuff in a thread about this...
09:01:15FuriousGeorgebut the damn thing isnt cropping :)
09:05:47MU{lappy}huh. wonder what's gone wrong? :/
09:06:47FuriousGeorgeill take it to #mplayer
09:07:02FuriousGeorgebut there's the output in case you are wondering
09:07:11FuriousGeorgei notice this:
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09:07:38FuriousGeorgeOpening video filter: [crop w=420 h=336]
09:07:38FuriousGeorgeCrop: 420 x 336, -1 ; -1
09:07:51FuriousGeorgedoes the -1 mean it's failing?
09:09:11FuriousGeorgeMU{lappy}: i would think a failure would be a bit more verbose...
09:10:11LloreanOkay, I've just got here and had to read through a few hours of non-Rockbox talk in here
09:10:51LloreanPlease take off-topic talk somewhere else. "How to convert videos" is more or less the same as "how do I rip CDs", not really relevant to the actual Rockbox channel.
09:11:07FuriousGeorgei always wondered what the possible harm in people being off-topic in an otherwise silent room was, and now i know
09:11:34LloreanIt's explained in the channel guidelines...
09:11:47FuriousGeorgeno need, i totally get it
09:12:15LloreanYeah, but it's like the first sentence of them.
09:12:25LloreanIf you'd bothered to read them, it would've saved probably dozens of people a lot of time.
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09:14:14FuriousGeorgewell, it /is/ tangentially relevant. perhaps if we get to the right answer, someone will see it, update the wiki, and everyone converting video for their sansas running rockbox wont be hosing their aspect ratio
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09:14:48LloreanAnd you can do that in the off-topic channel, and update the wiki yourself since it's a wiki
09:15:11scorcheplease dont try to blur the is either directly relates to rockbox or it doesnt
09:15:12FuriousGeorgei could be that someone
09:15:13MU{lappy}i'm inclined to agree that content preparation is not off-topic, but it's not my call. ;)
09:15:42FuriousGeorgebesides, i said i'd take it to #mplayer before you'd said anything to me
09:15:56LloreanMU{lappy}: This channel is for questions pertaining to the Rockbox software. Content preparation doesn't beyond "What requirements must the content meet?"
09:16:20LloreanHow to make that content meet those requirements has nothing to do with Rockbox itself, just a host of other software.
09:16:35FuriousGeorgewell, since i took it elsewhere, cant we just agree to disagree
09:16:46MU{lappy}fair enough, i'll keep that in mind in future.
09:17:12LloreanFuriousGeorge: The key is that certain people who are here often should know what is off topic, and why, so this doesn't happen again. I was clarifying for one of those certain people. :)
09:18:31scorcheFuriousGeorge: feel free to disagree, however the guidelines stand and you now know which side of the line these matters are on ;)
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09:19:14FuriousGeorgescorche: i dunno, i got a little lawyer in me. everything is subject to interpretation
09:19:20MU{lappy}if i read the code right, there's no tag support of any kind for the a52 codec... i'm assuming because there's no native tag format or consensus about the use of add-on tags like id3 or ape w/ it?
09:19:36scorcheFuriousGeorge: i made those guidelines...i can tell you the creators direct intent ;)
09:20:08LloreanMU{lappy}: generally, we only support "native" formats, so since there's not one, it's as simple as that.
09:20:30FuriousGeorgesorche: fine, you win
09:20:49MU{lappy}a sensible enough decision, even if it "forces" me to transcode lossy->lossy to add tags
09:21:13MU{lappy}not that resampling 48KHz->44.1KHz is exactly lossless, anyway
09:22:13LloreanMU{lappy}: You are aware that you can store it in a folder structure, and have Rockbox display folder and filenames in the place of tags, if tags are not found?
09:23:46MU{lappy}actually, i was not. this is the first cause i've had to touch anything that was in a non-taggable, lossy format.
09:24:30LloreanThe default WPSes ought to do this already
09:25:03LloreanExpecting an \Artist\Album\Songname.ext layout.
09:26:20MU{lappy}ah, geez, the S60 has decided it's too low to boot up, again.
09:31:22MU{lappy}i imagine such files would still not be in the database, though?
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09:31:34MU{lappy}i came from karma, i use the database pretty much exclusively
09:31:43LloreanYes, they wouldn't be in the database
09:34:13MU{lappy}i don't suppose supporting tags from a text file stored alongside the audio file would be a feature many would be interested in, eh?
09:34:33MU{lappy}or to put it another way, if i worked on such a thing, it'd probably not be wanted in rockbox, right?
09:34:55stripwaxMU{lappy} - it may just be easier to recode into a taggable format
09:35:39LloreanWhy would we accept tags in a separate text file OVER "non-native tag formats"?
09:36:54MU{lappy}Llorean: because it doesn't involve messing w/ the file itself, i would think. i'm just trying to think of a way that might be considered more acceptable than slapping APEv2 or ID3 tags onto files that aren't really expected to support them.
09:38:11LloreanApeV2 is more or less designed to go on files that aren't designed to be tagged, isn't it?
09:39:28MU{lappy}and it looks like adding APEv2 reading is simple enough that i wouldn't mind maintaining it in a custom build if it weren't wanted upstream. my only real concern is that the codec might try to "play" the tags.
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10:13:39JdGordonpetur: hey, which wiki page has yopur h300 CF enabled bootloader?
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10:16:51JdGordonah found it :)
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10:20:01JdGordonarg, how do you open the bloody thing?
10:25:51peturwith great care ;)
10:27:29amiconnThere are instructions on misticriver iirc
10:27:46JdGordongrr.. the front is being stubborn
10:27:48amiconnIt's not too difficult.
10:27:56peturthe front???
10:27:58*amiconn opened his H340 once
10:28:17JdGordongot a new battery for it so need to get to the front also
10:28:25*petur needs no instructions anymore
10:28:42peturah yes, stupid connector location
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10:30:01BeatsIm having a little trouble with rockbox utility detecting myiPod
10:30:17scorchewhich ipod do you have?
10:30:28Beats3rd generation
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10:31:11scorcheand is it just not detecting it or is there another issue?
10:31:36BeatsIts just not deteting it
10:32:00bliv56One quick question. In database under recently added all my songs are shown. Why
10:32:54scorcheBeats: have you tried manually selecting which drive letter it is under?
10:33:16Beatsactualy theres no letter im using Linux
10:33:21BeatsYes i have
10:33:27Slasheribliv56: you haven't added/removed files from the db different enough times or you have re-initialized the db
10:33:52scorcheBeats: have you tried the manual install method?
10:34:38bliv56Well i re-initilized it like bit over 2 months ago. Still it remains all songs in recently added
10:35:41bliv56Can i change it to show say only songs added in last month?
10:35:41bliv56Or does it work a different way
10:35:41Slasheribliv56: hmm, and you have made more than 4 updates to the db between that interval?
10:35:41bliv56yeah its on auto-update
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10:35:42bliv56is that ok?
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10:37:22Beatswhere is the .zip file in the ipod nano
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10:37:41Slasheriin theory yes, but you have to give the timestamp as an integer to use the time-based selection (not sure if there is even a tag defined for it). By default, the commit count (times the db has been updated) is used
10:37:51Slasheriauto-update is fine
10:38:06JdGordonpetur: which way up does the cqrd go in?
10:38:24scorcheBeats: do you mean that you have a 3rd generation ipod nano and not an ipod 3rd generation?
10:38:40bliv65i was kicked for typing too much :P
10:38:44BeatsI meant to say wheres the root of the drive
10:38:47bliv65so in theory it should have already change recently added
10:38:48Slasheribliv65: yeah, bots are inferiour sometimes
10:38:49Beatswhat folder?
10:38:58scorcheBeats: do you have a 3rd gen ipod or a 3rd gen ipod nano?
10:39:34stripwaxrockbox doesn't work on "3rd gen ipod nano"
10:39:55scorcheas said on the front page, rockbox will not work for your device
10:39:55peturJdGordon: the normal way? top side on top?
10:40:53peturJdGordon: align the pins on the right (with the unit facing front on table, hdd connector above)
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11:52:15Buschelsaratoga: yes, i saw the thread about the mpc-glitch. this one seems not be connected to my latest changes. in fact i assume this glitch is also contained in the non-speed-optimized code.
11:53:53Buschelsaratoga: the dct mpc uses is suboptimal in terms of the used coefficients. the dct might overflow internally... there was a fix already, but it seems like i need to do some further work in this area.
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11:57:08pixelmano, all bots... ;)
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11:58:16scorchepixelma: you scared 'im off!
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12:09:33JdGordonamiconn: have you got vid/voip conference calls ability at the devcon?
12:09:46*JdGordon would like to participate in some of the disucssions...
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12:28:10scorchewow...i just noticed that it is almost a doubling of devcon attendance from last year
12:29:05scorchestripwax: do you think you could make the post-devcon-devconpub?
12:29:31scorchestripwax_ even
12:31:09stripwax_just got back from vaca.. sure, where/when?
12:31:27amiconnbluebrother: Did you read about the crash of userinfo.exe on Vista that I got?
12:31:46amiconn(both with and without the setup.exe trick, running as an administrative user)
12:31:53bluebrotheramiconn: no, I'm only aware it reporting the wrong permission level
12:32:07scorchestripwax_: in the thread starting from here:
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12:32:52amiconnThe error code was 0xc0000005
12:33:13amiconnThis is on plain Vista Business (no SP1) in a VM
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12:48:15petur0xc0000005 is an access violation
13:01:35peturfor example using a NULL pointer
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13:10:34BigBambibluebrother: Nice rbutil commit
13:10:59bluebrotherthanks. I'm going to check for the crash amiconn reported now
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13:21:52BigBambibluebrother: should my username appear on the linux version?
13:22:04BigBambiAs it is blank at the moment
13:24:48bluebrotherit should (and it does for me)
13:25:00bluebrotherso you're using a blank username? ;-)
13:25:19BigBambihehe, nope :)
13:26:14BigBambiI'm just trying to upload it, but basically the rest of it works fine but username field is blank
13:27:09BigBambicould this be another (k)ubuntu specific issue?
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13:29:20bluebrotherjust looking at the man page of getlogin ... the bugs section is kinda amusing.
13:31:08bluebrother(didn't notice that before)
13:33:14BigBambibluebrother: is there a simple way I can check if getlogin works here on its own, as it were
13:37:33BigBambibluebrother: With your change at it now works correctly
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13:37:54bluebrotherok, then it seems there are issues with getlogin and I'll switch ...
13:39:06bluebrotherBigBambi: compare getlogin and getpwuid:
13:40:33BigBambibluebrother: getlogin() result is: (null) getpwuid() result is: alex
13:40:38bluebrothercomit++ ;-)
13:40:54BigBambiyup :)
13:41:21bluebrotherseems like today is committing day ;-)
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14:20:35bluebrotherinteresting. userinfo works as expected on vista for me with a standard "user" account.
14:20:50bluebrotherand that is without elevating
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15:41:00SETH_HIKARUim having a problem with patching
15:41:10SETH_HIKARUcan someone provide some help
15:41:35SETH_HIKARUanyone there
15:41:42MarcGuayJust ask.
15:42:00SETH_HIKARUi did
15:42:10SETH_HIKARUim having a prblem with patching
15:42:17MarcGuayThat's not a question.
15:42:29SETH_HIKARUwell i cant copy from cygwin
15:42:38SETH_HIKARUso youll have to view a screenshot
15:42:56SETH_HIKARUwhats the site that hosts pictures for free
15:43:30SETH_HIKARUi put the link up in a sec
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15:46:54SETH_HIKARUhold on almost there
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15:47:18BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: you don't need to keep us up to date with every little action
15:47:21desowinyou don't need such "status-updates", no rush here
15:48:57SETH_HIKARUtheres the link
15:49:07SETH_HIKARUread it very carefully someone
15:49:19SETH_HIKARUso i can get the CORRECT HELP
15:49:45*JdGordon withholds his incorrect help...
15:49:52BigBambiAs it says, try patch -p0 < patchfile
15:50:11SETH_HIKARUi dont want to not include part of the file
15:50:17BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: and if you want help, I would try being more gracious and less rude
15:50:23SETH_HIKARUthat just deafeated the whole pupose
15:50:30BigBambino it doesn't
15:50:41SETH_HIKARUoh well thats what it says
15:50:41BigBambiGo and read up on patch and how the -p option works
15:50:51BigBambino it doesn't
15:51:40SETH_HIKARUoh i see
15:51:52SETH_HIKARUit removes directory info
15:51:56SETH_HIKARUso then
15:52:08SETH_HIKARUwhat -p and then the nmber should i use
15:52:09BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: please stop using the enter key as punctuation
15:52:28BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: did you read
15:52:47BigBambiThen read it again, it tells you
15:52:59BigBambiEspecially the Applying a Patch section
15:53:55SETH_HIKARUso just to be correct would i use -p1 and you can only answer this question if you ave looked at the photo
15:54:28BigBambia) It says to start at p0 and work down b) I have looked at the picture c) If you want further help, sort out the attitude
15:55:28*bluebrother would _really_ like to not see SCREAMING nicks.
15:55:29SETH_HIKARUBigBambi: Would you please tell me if i am correct in using -p1?
15:55:38BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: I *just* did
15:55:49BigBambiRead part a of my previous answer
15:55:56BigBambibluebrother: I agree
15:56:09bluebrotheryou most likely need -p0
15:56:18SETH_HIKARUyou said it says to start at p0 and work your way down
15:56:20bluebrotherand *please* use a sane nick. Screaming nicks aren't.
15:56:35BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: so use p0 then, if that doesn't work p1 etc.
15:56:51BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: This is *exactly* what the wiki page says
15:56:58BigBambiPlease go and actually READ it
15:57:11bluebrotherin your screenshot you don't use a strip option at all.
15:57:24SETH_HIKARUok ok ok
15:57:29SETH_HIKARUnew problem
15:57:38bluebrotherindeed: screaming nick
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15:57:40SETH_HIKARUwell 2/3 of a problem fixed
15:57:49BigBambibluebrother: I have already given him the exact command and he started arguing about what -p does
15:58:05SETH_HIKARUim thinking
15:58:06bluebrothergive him a link to the man page of patch ;-)
15:58:13BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: Then don't tell us about it
15:58:20bluebrothereveryone silent! SETH_HIKARU is thinking!
15:58:34SETH_HIKARUit says 1 out 3 hunks failed
15:58:42BigBambiSo the patch is out of date
15:58:43SETH_HIKARUand then
15:58:43desowinso patch is out-of-sync
15:59:00BigBambiThe source code is is trying to change has been altered in SVN since the patch was created
15:59:43BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: as it says, you need to look at the .rej file and manually alter the code as required
15:59:56SETH_HIKARUCS file:/cvsroot/rockbox/apps/plugins/doom/i_video.c, v
16:00:01SETH_HIKARUtyhats what it says
16:00:12BigBambithat means nothing
16:00:18BigBambion it's own
16:00:34SETH_HIKARUya thats where i got lost
16:00:42BigBambiI'm sure it isn't all it says
16:00:42SETH_HIKARUi dont have a .rej file
16:01:00SETH_HIKARUand i dont even know how to do that
16:01:04BigBambiCopy the output of the patch command to
16:01:35SETH_HIKARUi have enough typing todo already
16:01:41BigBambicopy and paste
16:01:55BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: but if you can't be bothered, then I can't be bothered to try and help
16:01:58SETH_HIKARUfirst of all does.rej stand for reject
16:02:19SETH_HIKARUand i do what with that again
16:02:52BigBambiYou can scroll up and read what I typed before
16:03:00JdGordonSETH_HIKARU: what are you trying to do.... this will save everyone alot of headache if I just do a build for you
16:03:25BigBambiThe .rej file contains the part of the patch that couldn't be applied. You need to manually apply that to the relevant file
16:03:33SETH_HIKARUare u serious
16:03:33BigBambiJdGordon: saviour :)
16:03:43SETH_HIKARUscrew u bambi
16:03:49BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: excuse me?
16:03:52bluebrotherwait until he comes back ;-)
16:03:56SETH_HIKARUwhoever does the daily builds is horrible
16:04:06bluebrother"whoever". Hillarious!
16:04:09BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: Be polite, or you will be gone
16:04:12SETH_HIKARUjdgordan u should do the dail builds
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16:04:18SETH_HIKARUi know i will be gone
16:04:24BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: They are done by a distrinuted build system
16:04:29bluebrotherSETH_HIKARU: you know it's a script doing those builds?
16:04:33JdGordonSETH_HIKARU: your going out of your way to be difficult... fix your attitude or you arnt getting squat
16:04:36BigBambiAnd they work perfectly
16:05:06bluebrotherBigBambi: for 99.9999% of the people −− obviously not for SETH_HIKARU :D
16:05:43BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: You are trying to apply a patch - we clearly aren't going to supply every possible combination of patches and builds
16:05:58SETH_HIKARUi disagree on that; a script cannot think for itself, a script cannot add patches that have just come out
16:06:02BigBambiThe distributed builds of plain SVN work just fine
16:06:05bluebrotherdo we support patches at all?
16:06:13SETH_HIKARUi dont htink u do
16:06:14BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: People add the patches, then the build system build it
16:06:20SETH_HIKARUcause they could be BUGGY
16:06:22BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: You don't know what you are talking about
16:06:28BigBambiAnd you are just looking silly
16:06:30bluebrotherSETH_HIKARU: stop it or leave.
16:06:41bluebrothersomeone *really* tries to deserve a kickban.
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16:08:04BigBambibluebrother: I guess we support patches in terms of help applying and helping test/improve with a view to being added
16:08:23SETH_HIKARUi have a malformed patch a line 59 what do i do with that
16:08:39*bluebrother is tempted to say "fix it" ...
16:09:03bluebrotherBigBambi: yep, but not in terms of "we support any user in making his own build", do we?
16:09:06*BigBambi isn't helping anymore - I'm not so fond of being insulted when giving up my time to help
16:09:10SETH_HIKARUwell im attempted to say that i dont know C but i do know C+ and C++
16:09:23BigBambiC+ ?
16:09:30SETH_HIKARUso fixxing it i cannot do
16:09:43BigBambibluebrother: No, I don't think so, but it is just a judgement call type thing
16:09:44SETH_HIKARUu have never heard of C+
16:10:03bluebrotherSETH_HIKARU: you ever heard of brainfuck or whitespace?
16:10:10*MTee asks what is C+ ?
16:10:14BigBambiAnd please use real words, not things like "u"
16:10:16SETH_HIKARUi know them
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16:10:30SETH_HIKARUi have written programs in them
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16:11:09SETH_HIKARUbut not many people know runescript but i do so i can hack runescape the real way
16:11:15SETH_HIKARUback on topic
16:11:31BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: C or C++ doesn't really matter too much here - I find it hard to believe you can use C++ but not sort out the patch
16:11:38SETH_HIKARUi think ill just compile my source
16:11:41sottawahi, I have an issue with rockbox on sansa 280
16:11:44SETH_HIKARUand see if it works
16:11:48sottawais this the place to come?
16:11:56BigBambisottawa: yep, ask away
16:12:00bluebrothersottawa: yes, but you need to ask your question ;-)
16:12:08sottawayes, I try to play radio
16:12:13sottawaand the system locks up tight
16:12:25BigBambisottawa: Which version of Rockbox?
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16:12:40desowincode your program to apply patches and automateically sync those then
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16:12:47sottawadouble checking
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16:13:17SETH_HIKARUum what does assume -R
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16:14:05SETH_HIKARUu there
16:14:20webguest01I am having a problem with my ig ipod nano
16:14:26BigBambiwebguest01: Ask away
16:14:35JdGordonSETH_HIKARU: 1) is JdGordon, 2) 'u' is not a word
16:14:49webguest01When starting up rockbox I am receiving an ata 11- error
16:14:52SETH_HIKARUcan u do me a favor
16:14:57sottawaversion r.17091-080413
16:15:00BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: ffs - real words
16:15:20SETH_HIKARUwill you do me a favpr
16:15:26BigBambisottawa: That is pretty out of date - could you update and check again?
16:15:36sottawasure thing
16:15:40sottawaI'll try
16:15:46sottawathank you
16:16:14SETH_HIKARUJdGordan: Can you do me a favor
16:16:27SETH_HIKARUwill you please patch a file and give it to me
16:16:49BigBambiwebguest01: have you modded it or dropped it or anything recently?
16:17:02JdGordonSETH_HIKARU: farting hell... i said i would 20min ago but you ignored it... and now im going to bed so you missed your chance
16:17:07webguest01I have just installed rockbox this morning
16:17:12webguest01I have never dropped it
16:17:14SETH_HIKARUoh come
16:17:33BigBambiwebguest01: did you install with rbutil?
16:18:00BigBambiDoes the Apple firmware still boot?
16:18:05webguest01Also it is not recognized by my mac so I can not do anything with it
16:18:26BigBambiIs it a MacPod?
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16:18:39BigBambibluebrother: does rbutil check for macpods?
16:18:48webguest01I converted it from macpod to winpod this morning
16:18:59BigBambiI suspect there may be a problem there
16:19:04bluebrotherBigBambi: yes, the ipodpatcher part does
16:19:10BigBambiCan you still boot the apple firmware?
16:19:17BigBambibluebrother: I suspected it would :)
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16:19:28webguest01I am not sure how to do that
16:19:45BigBambi(it is in the manual), but turn on hold just after turning it on
16:20:47webguest01yes I can
16:21:07webguest01ok well not it is working
16:21:10BigBambithat's interesting
16:21:13webguest01Thank you guys
16:21:35BigBambisorry, I'm a little confused - what works and what doesn't?
16:21:54webguest01I loaded the apple firmware and it was recognized by my mac
16:22:10BigBambiok, so that works fine but Rockbox gives the error?
16:22:44BigBambiweird - I can't help I'm afraid, but hang about and hopefully someone who can will read it in the logs and get back to you
16:23:00webguest01alright thanks again
16:23:23BigBambino problem, hopefully it we will find a solution :)
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16:29:41sottawacan someone give me some insight into how the fm radio works? I say yes to autoscan and nothing happens
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16:30:43MarcGuayDoes it scan at all?
16:30:53adamgoldingis there any way to 'love' tracks for within rockbox?
16:31:01JdGordonsottawa: have you got headphones plugged in? it uses it for the antena
16:31:13sottawais it needed?
16:31:22JdGordonyou wont get any channels without it
16:31:34sottawaok checking -thanks
16:31:43BigBambiadamgolding: no
16:36:04sottawaHi Jd, I autoscan and it shows a listing of stations, I want to save the presets so I say save and it comes back with a screen with wiht an fmr filename and jiberish chars
16:36:07sottawaany idea?
16:36:19MTee after changing a font, do I patch it ?
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16:37:35sottawaI think I got it
16:37:35JdGordonsottawa: press play
16:37:40sottawaforget it
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16:37:45sottawayeah got it
16:37:57MarcGuaysottawa: I think giberish chars is the virtual keyboard.
16:38:16sottawalooked like hex
16:38:23sottawaok now
16:38:49sottawarequest for enhancement on display of FM turner display :)
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16:39:44BigBambiyes, the fm screen is one of the last ones that needs a going over
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16:41:15sottawabtw love the zoom on the jpg files - very cool
16:43:03MTeequestion please, I have added the arabic character set to a font, what do I do next ?
16:44:05MarcGuayMTee: So you've updated a rockbox font? Upload it to the tracker, me thinks.
16:44:26sottawawanted to share that bug tracker login seems to have a problem
16:44:36MTeeMarcGuay : should I upload the bdf or fnt ?
16:44:45sottawayou login and get a white screen and notthing more
16:44:52MarcGuaysottawa: Yeah flyspray has been buggy for a while now.
16:45:09sottawawhere to enter defects in future?
16:45:32MarcGuayMTee: I'm not sure. I believe RB uses the .bdf format, though, no?
16:45:56MarcGuaysottawa: Is the problem with login or signup?
16:45:57JdGordonMTee: yeah, the .bdf
16:46:07JdGordonactually a .diff would be better still
16:46:25MarcGuaysottawa: There's a way... Search for a common term and you'll get the main page where you can login.
16:47:32MTeeMarcGuay : yes .bdf , but when compiled it's converted to fnt so that's why I asked
16:47:47MTeeJdGordon : Thanks, will try now
16:48:54sottawagot it - must be new account prob; worked this time - strange
16:49:03sottawano worries then
16:49:07JdGordonthe .fnt for now is the same for all targets, but its binary and could potentially be different for the different lcd's in the future... the bdf is text
16:49:48sottawaTo All, enjoy the rockbox - keep up the good work - thanks
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17:00:59MarcGuayJust to verify before I commit this, charger_inserted() in power-target.c is referring to the USB cable being connected, right?
17:03:54JdGordonif thats how it charges... yes
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17:26:38MTeehow/when are the patches confirmed ?
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17:30:02bluebrotherMTee: what do you mean by "confirmed"?
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17:32:31MTeebluebrother : I noticed that the status of many patches is "unconfirmed", so what does that mean ?
17:32:57bluebrothernothing. Most additional status fields in the tracker aren't used at all.
17:33:24MTeeaha .. ok, thanks.
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17:46:05agaffneythe sansa e260 can use a microsd card larger than 2GB in rockbox, right?
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17:46:56agaffneyI'll just have to put files on it with a card reader, since the stock firmware only supports up to 2GB?
17:47:17agaffneyI'm debating whether to order a 2GB or 4GB microsd card on newegg :P
17:47:27agaffneythe internal 4GB went *really* fast
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17:51:09agaffneyare there plans to add support for usb charging/syncing for the sansa?
17:51:23agaffneyor is it considered "good enough" since that can be done with the stock firmware?
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17:52:14gevaertsThere is a mostly working usb stack, but as long as it's only 'mostly', it won't get enabled by default. Charging is a different issue, I'm not sure what the status is there
17:53:53MarcGuayagaffney: Search flyspray for "sansa charging", it's being worked on.
17:54:21agaffneyI saw that the other day
17:54:25agaffneysaw a patch for it
17:54:37agaffneyhowever, the question still stands for data transfer :)
17:55:06MarcGuayagaffney: That's the one gevaerts answered. :)
17:55:45agaffneyah, didn't see his answer :P
17:56:47agaffneyhmm, good to know
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18:12:26XqtftqxHey everybody
18:13:30Xqtftqxcan somebody help me with building rockbox on a ubuntu box
18:13:59Xqtftqxi cant compile at all
18:14:00krazykitjust ask your question
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18:14:24Xqtftqxmy question is how do i get it to work? i havent installed any dev tools and im still wondering which ones
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18:14:47krazykitshotofadds, have you read this?
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18:18:36XqtftqxThats for windows
18:18:40Xqtftqxnot for linux
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18:19:48krazykiter, sorry shotofadds, dunno how i screwed that tab-completion up :|
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18:23:37xqtftqxok its working now
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18:23:51xqtftqxi can do and it will install all the tools?
18:24:09mcuelenaerehow do I turn an extracted Rockbox source tarball into a SVN repository?
18:24:48krazykitxqtftqx, yes, assuming you have a toolchain to build the tools.
18:25:08xqtftqxoh and one more thing, i cant connect my Gigabeat s to ubuntu
18:25:20xqtftqxi try to open the drive and i get "Unable to mount..."
18:27:19xqtftqxNevermind i found it in the wiki
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18:28:21xqtftqxwait it doesnt work for me
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18:29:49xqtftqxwhat are the commands i type?
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18:30:36xqtftqxUnable to open /dev/sdz
18:30:38xqtftqxis what i get
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18:31:39krazykitbecause it's probably not sdz. it's whatever the device name is.
18:31:55xqtftqxhow do i tell the name?
18:32:00krazykitcheck dmesg
18:32:53xqtftqx[ 184.887167] scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access TOSHIBA MK6008GAH BU01 PQ , whould that be it?
18:34:13krazykitlooks like it. there should be a mention of a device name near that line, /dev/sd{something}
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18:34:24xqtftqxhold on
18:34:25krazykitwhen you mount it, you also need to specify which partition (i don't know which on the S)
18:34:33dine-airmeizu m6 will ever be out?
18:35:09krazykitdine-air, ports are written by owners of the device in their free time. there are no timelines for if/when a port will happen
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18:37:34xqtftqxHmmm krazykit, i cant find anything like that
18:39:12bluebrothermcuelenaere: huh? You're talking about a downloaded tarball?
18:39:28mcuelenaerebluebrother: yes, but never mind; I've done "svn checkout" now so..
18:40:05bluebrotherwell, you can't do that anyway −− you can either check new files in or grab them from svn. You can't convert a released tarball back.
18:40:23krazykitxqtftqx, the line right below it mentions sdb; it's probably that device.
18:40:45xqtftqxok, i was looking for "/dev/***"
18:41:35xqtftqxstill "unable to open /dev/sdb"
18:42:24krazykitthat "unknown partition table" looks bad, but i don't know if it's normal for the S, not having one that works.
18:42:38mcuelenaerebluebrother: ah, I thought there was some kind of command for that..
18:42:59xqtftqxok, i can switch to a diffrent computer to connect or just switch into vista thanks for your help
18:45:26gevaertsxqtftqx: you need to fix the bootable flags. The wiki says how somewhere
18:45:34xqtftqxi know
18:45:50xqtftqxim looking at the page, its not very detailed and fdisk cant see the device to fix it
18:46:08*gevaerts seriously doubts that
18:46:17xqtftqxlook at that past bin
18:46:28xqtftqxtell me the commands you think because nothing else works
18:46:49gevaertssudo fdisk /dev/sdb
18:47:13xqtftqxthanks, forgot to run as root
18:48:06xqtftqxit gave a couple errors but i can see and write to the drive fine now
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18:52:20xqtftqxWow, the drive connects faster to ubuntu then windows
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18:54:26xqtftqxAnybody notice how much longer the battery is in rockbox then the default firmware?
18:54:35xqtftqxfor the gigabeat S, sorry forgot to add
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18:56:30krazykitxqtftqx, i would think there are battery benchmarks on the relevant wiki page
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18:57:03xqtftqxThanks krazykit
18:57:44xqtftqxAlthough i dont see them
18:57:46joepif you have an idea that will improve the ipod but you dont know how to program is it worth trying to make money off of it
18:58:25xqtftqxjoep: what do you mean "make money"
18:58:41joeplike try to copy right it and stuff
18:58:52joepor try to sell it to apple
18:59:20krazykitjoep, well, that's really not on-topic then, now is it.
18:59:27xqtftqxi see, apple realy doesnt listen to people to much though and this is a rockbox irc not a apple irc
18:59:48joepya but yall know how to program
19:00:09joepand my idea would make rox box better to
19:00:15krazykitjoep, please read the irc guidelines in the topic. this is an on-topic channel about rockbox.
19:00:36krazykitif you have a suggestion, go ahead and make it
19:01:01joepin this channel or another
19:01:30krazykitwell, in this channel if you want to suggest it for improving rockbox.
19:01:49joepwell i want their to be a que
19:02:10joepfor music like a playlist but temp.
19:02:46*bluebrother doesn't understand a word
19:03:06joepso when your looking for a song you could add it to the que and it would finish playin
19:03:14xqtftqxpeople do it on there free time, not for a job or anything
19:03:35joepdo what
19:03:45*krazykit notes that rockbox already has a queue function
19:03:47xqtftqxnvm my chat window didnt school down
19:03:48bluebrotherworking on Rockbox. It's a free project.
19:04:26xqtftqxguys i did the now when i try to compile i get "arm-elf-gcc: Command not found" i chose arm in the
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19:05:09bluebrotherxqtftqx: have you adjusted your PATH variable?
19:05:23xqtftqxi dont think so
19:05:48xqtftqxnope i didnt, can i uninstall the old one to save space?
19:06:04bluebrotheruninstall what old one? You can't uninstall a variable.
19:06:28joepya thats kinda what im talking about
19:06:29xqtftqxno i already ran rockboxdev
19:06:48joepit can be made simpler than that
19:06:50bluebrotherso what? Add the correct path you the PATH variable
19:06:57xqtftqxand re run it?
19:07:14xqtftqxoh wait
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19:07:19*bluebrother looks for a table corner
19:07:26xqtftqxthe path cariable in which file?
19:08:22xqtftqxsorry i usualy compile in the preinstalled one
19:08:27bluebrotherit's an environment variable. You need to set it.
19:08:33xqtftqxwhere do i set it?
19:09:53bluebrotherdepends. Usually the bash startup script, if you shell is bash.
19:10:06bluebrotherbut you can also set it temporarily from the shell itself
19:10:23xqtftqxits bash
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19:10:59krazykitxqtftqx, this is correct for linux, too:
19:11:17xqtftqxOk thanks krazykit
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19:15:01xqtftqxalthough wheres the bashrc file
19:16:17xqtftqxOk found it
19:18:06xqtftqxok its sorta working it gives a whole bunch of warnings though
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19:24:26xqtftqxAlright it still completed with no errors
19:24:33xqtftqxbut i cant acses the files
19:24:45xqtftqxi get the "locked" emblem and i cant modify
19:25:00fmlHello, Has anything changed regarding the bug that the player hangs about a minute before the end of the playlist?
19:25:40gevaertsxqtftqx: don't compile as root
19:26:30xqtftqxI didnt relize i was root
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19:38:15xqtftqxGot it to work thanks guys
19:38:35xqtftqxandbody know if its possible to rewrite the recovery mode on the gigabeat s?
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19:43:18xqtftqxok now im getting a error
19:43:29xqtftqxi cant connect rockbox, i get "read only file syste"
19:43:39xqtftqxit didnt copy over rockbox.gigabeat
19:43:42xqtftqxand now i cant edit
19:43:54xqtftqxi cant modife the files*
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20:08:43BigBambianyone like a two line patch to increase the number of music files the stats plugins counts?
20:09:18BigBambiooops, not that
20:12:13BigBambi that
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20:40:10xqtftqxOk guys, im unable to edit my gigabeat s drive, i can see fine and i edited the partion table as stated on the wiki
20:41:07xqtftqxit says read only file system i can read and edit in other OS's is just linux which has the problem
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21:46:46xqtftqxOK guys, quick question, i want to include the demo midi .pat files by default whenever i build how do i do this?
21:48:05LloreanIf they're on the player already, why would you want to copy them over again?
21:49:11MarcGuayIs this the right syntax for the manual if I'm trying to add a second posible keymap? {\ButtonRight{} + Long \ButtonRight{} or \ButtonPower{} + \ButtonRight}
21:49:42MarcGuayThere seem to be a lot of "without_combo" button presses missing from the manual...
21:50:53xqtftqxLlorean: because i build a lot and i dont want to keep copying them
21:51:03BigBambixqtftqx: You don't have to
21:51:14BigBambiunless you delete them they will stay there
21:51:39BigBambiUpdating Rockbox just involves overwriting Rockbox files, not deleting other ones
21:52:58xqtftqxi understand i update a diffrent way to test builds, i rename .rockbox and add the new one, i whould like just to be able to delete the old .rockbox and keep my files
21:53:30scorcheif you want to keep them, dont delete them...
21:53:37BigBambiIf you want to keep the old one copy it to a new name instead of renaming, and then unzip the new one over the top
21:53:40LloreanYou'll need to edit the script for making the .zip, but it's really an awkward way to go about things.
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21:54:14xqtftqxok, but im just wondering can i do this?
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21:55:07krazykityou CAN, but BigBambi's suggestion is less work.
21:55:09BigBambixqtftqx: cp -r /mountpoint/.rockbox /mountpoint/.rockbox - old && unzip -o -d /mountpoint
21:55:30BigBambiwith no spaces inbetween rockbox - old of course
21:55:31*Llorean thinks he'd already answered the "can" before it was asked, anyway
21:55:35Bagderor try my little update script =>
21:56:25BigBambithat's nice
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21:56:54xqtftqxit is Bagder thanks, although ill be fine...
21:57:10LloreanBagder: I think an open feature request tracker is still a good idea, but I do agree it doesn't really "work." How would you feel about having a 100% separate tracker, just for feature requests, that's not reviewed? Then, if anything from it gets implemented, they can submit a patch, and if we see anything we like, we can move it to the official feature request one (alongside bugs/patches currently)?
21:57:37LloreanMake it clear the "open" one is just that, wishful thinking, nothing gets rejected, and there are to be no expectations from it.
21:58:04BigBambiI just can't see many people (devs) reading it
21:58:13xqtftqxthats not a bad idea, but i think you guys should review things
21:58:15BigBambiAnd if they don't it remains it bit pointless
21:58:22LloreanBigBambi: The current one already IS pointless
21:58:26LloreanThis way we'd just be making it clear that it is.
21:58:27BigBambiLlorean: I know
21:58:44BigBambiI don't see the point in keeping something and saying it is pointless
21:58:52BigBambiIf we say it is pointless, why keep it?
21:58:52LloreanMeanwhile we'd have a clear place for people to voice. Some devs would read it now and then. And it would give us someplace to say "go read through this for ideas" if somebody says "What can I work on?"
21:59:10LloreanBecause it's pointless to people who are fixing bugs, or working on their own ideas.
21:59:28LloreanBut users want a place to recommend things, and right now it seems they think there's a tacit promise to eventually get to it involved in the current system
21:59:44BigBambiI agree with the criticism of the current one
22:00:12LloreanBut if we don't put something up, they'll just move them to the forums, or the mailing list, and create just as much noise.
22:00:16BagderI'm not sure such an open one will help
22:00:18BigBambiBut if the other one remains pointless (which I think it essentially will), I don't see it as helping - "You can suggest things here but it will be ignored"
22:00:18LloreanThere needs to be an outlet for the noise, somewhere.
22:01:11LloreanI didn't say "but it will be ignored." I mean we make it clear that "it is merely wishes, and there is no guarantee that any ideas on this tracker will be seen or responded to by a developer in a timely manner, it is just a place to gather them so that if a developer goes looking, they know where ideas can be found"
22:01:38LloreanThe problem, *really* is that developers already active rarely go looking for ideas anyway.
22:01:40xqtftqxi agree
22:01:55LloreanAnd the clarity kinda needs to come from making it clear "you can suggest, but we aren't really looking most of the time, there's too much else to do"
22:02:28BigBambiThing is though, it will essentially be ignored whether that is said explicitly or not
22:02:43LloreanHaving an open tracker, and a closed feature tracker (where we can move features once they become officially "planned" like viewports was) accomplishes this, I think, without just telling people "Instead of posting to the tracker, post to the mailing list, and remind us every 3 months of your idea until we reject it, then remind us every six months hoping our opinions change"
22:03:17BigBambiI don't object to it, I'm just slightly sceptical as to what it will achieve. I'm happy to be proved wrong however
22:03:17LloreanI just think they need somewhere to go, and having an open tracker at least gives them a path of least resistance settling place.
22:04:40xqtftqxit whould keep the forums, mailing list, etc clean to
22:04:57Bagdernot really, as people would need to discuss their entries
22:05:02Bagderabout moving them
22:05:09Bagderand similar things
22:05:27LloreanWell any developer can move an entry he or she is actively interested in.
22:05:55Bagderyes, I just meant that users will of course come whining about moving their pet tasks to the dev list
22:06:24LloreanWell the dev list should probably still be open to comments.
22:06:24Bagderand rightly so, if we haven't noticed a goodie etc
22:06:30LloreanOh, right
22:06:38LloreanWell yeah, but they've got to call attention to them somehow
22:06:50xqtftqxmaybe like a poll? like "blah blah devolpers believe this is a project worth working on" and lower the number of devs thinking its a good idea the lower it goes down
22:06:56LloreanI mean, how is saying "Have you noticed this task?" any different from posting to the ML saying "I had this great idea!"?
22:07:23Lloreanxqtftqx: How many people think it's good is worth a LOT less than how many people actually plan to do it
22:07:26MarcGuayI think I'm losing my mind. I know that ACTION_WPS_ABSETB_NEXTDIR can be triggered by a Short-Right + Long-Right but I can't find it in the keymap. Grr...
22:07:52BigBambixqtftqx: If a dev wants to work on something, they generally will
22:08:10BigBambiAnd discuss it in here to see if there are any objections of they aren't sure
22:08:15BigBambiThey don't need votes as such
22:08:31LloreanI just think removing the open tracker will generally just result in a lot more noise in the other channels that will get, mostly, just as ignored.
22:08:36xqtftqxbut it whould give a better wish list with things wanted more at the top and things wanted less at the bottom
22:08:44BigBambiwanted by whom?
22:08:55BigBambidevs work on what they want
22:09:02Lloreanxqtftqx: It doesn't matter how wanted something is, though. Viewports has been really wanted for a long time, and still took forever to get started.
22:09:20LloreanThe only thing that really matters is a form of consensus that something is unwanted, and that just means a rejection anyway
22:09:28xqtftqxbut as you said above its a wish list not a "upcoming feature" list
22:09:47LloreanJust because it's a wish list doesn't mean it matters how many people want it.
22:10:23LloreanA feature that one person wants, is trivial to implement, and will literally have zero performance impact is more likely than a feature thousands want but isn't wanted by the core devs, or perhaps is wanted by them but requires a rewrite of the playback code.
22:10:42xqtftqxcorrect me if im wrong, but some devs want to make rockbox better for other people rather then themselves, this whould give them a idea on what people want
22:11:27krazykitone might argue that a dev making rockbox better for him/herself IS better for other people
22:11:33LloreanEven then, it still doesn't matter how many people VOTE on it.
22:11:51LloreanAll that means is stupid ideas lots of people like crowd the top, while clever ideas that most people don't understand get hidden pages back
22:12:01LloreanIt creates a hierarchy based on "which thing sounds coolest"
22:12:29xqtftqxi guess your right
22:12:51xqtftqxand it whould cause things like people wanting technicly impossible things
22:13:09BigBambixqtftq/me wants Rockbox to brew beer!
22:13:21BigBambi-xqtftq :)
22:13:30xqtftqxlol, i saw somebody asking for a psx emulator
22:13:32*krazykit votes that up :)
22:14:51bluebroth3rLlorean: small wish for the forums: could it display *this* as bold and _that_ as underlined?
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22:15:26xqtftqxdoes it not?
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22:16:29Lloreanbluebrother: I'm sure it could be made to, but I don't believe there's any builtin functionality for that at least.
22:16:37LloreanIt would be nice.
22:17:08xqtftqxwhat does it display it as?
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22:17:33Llorean*this* and _that_
22:17:41bluebrotherit displays as you type
22:21:34xqtftqxI still dont understand...
22:22:19bluebrothercheck my first *this* and look how it looks. The forums simply display it. My IRC client boldens it.
22:22:42xqtftqxoh, so the forum doesnt show bold?
22:22:52BigBambinot by using *word* no
22:22:59BigBambiYou can make it bold by other means
22:23:05bluebrotheryou need to add the proper tags. *this* doesn't work
22:23:44xqtftqxso you can do 2 *'s to make it bold in the irc but not the forum *test*
22:23:47bluebrotherbut *this* is something some people (like me, for example) like using as its much faster. For example, OpenOffice can detect and replace *this*
22:23:58xqtftqxalright i get it now
22:24:19bluebrotherit's also quite nice for email −− you can write *bold* without the need of sending HTML crap.
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22:24:40xqtftqxoh cool
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22:45:54xqtftqxHey you guys, im having trouble testing the InfoNES patch
22:46:08xqtftqxit doesnt load or anything, theres no .rock
22:46:24xqtftqxIve added keymaps for the S but i cant find anything else
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22:48:58jayde_drag0nhey if anyone is actually here i need some assistance... i run the ipodpatcher.. and it can't find my ipod.. even tho its clearly mounted and i have the proper permissions
22:49:31jayde_drag0ni tried to find help before.. and all i got was....... silence
22:49:49advcomp2019what ipod?
22:50:07jayde_drag0n5th gen i think? 80GB Black and plays video
22:50:30advcomp2019you sure it is not a 6th gen?
22:50:52xqtftqxjayde_drag0n: if you trust me i can remote controll your computer and take a look
22:50:57jayde_drag0nmabye it is.. i have no idea.. do i have to run things differently?
22:51:14saratogayou need to check google and figure out what ipod you have
22:51:21advcomp2019you cant run rockbox on a 6th gen
22:51:25jayde_drag0nxqtftqx: i don't mind.. theres nothing on my computer you can't see.. but you'll have to walk me thru the steps so you can
22:51:50xqtftqxOk, its very easy, ill brb i need to switch over into windows
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22:53:14BigBambijayde_drag0n: I would check exactly what ipod you have first
22:53:17jayde_drag0ni wanted to switch to this a while ago.. and gave up for lack of help.. but now.. i tried to delete some songs on my ipod.. and tho it says in settings that the stuff is there...the directories are empty
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22:53:37BigBambijayde_drag0n: Before letting someone you have never met onto your computr
22:53:42jayde_drag0nie the dreaded "no music" eventho rythmbox sees everything
22:53:46bluebrotherjayde_drag0n: check this page:
22:54:14jayde_drag0ner sorry caps lock
22:54:25BigBambijayde_drag0n: It will tell you which ipod you have
22:54:33jayde_drag0noh lol k
22:54:55BigBambiThe 80 GB comes in both 5.5 and 6th generation. Rockbox only works on the former
22:55:00bluebrotherwell, as the links suggests it's a knowledge base (KB) entry
22:55:07jayde_drag0n" iPod classic (80 GB or 160 GB) 2007-09 Click Wheel 80 GB or 160 GB 1.1.2"
22:55:16BigBambiSo you have a classic?
22:55:21bluebrotherthat is even linked from the IpodFAQ
22:55:25Bagderclassic == 6th gen
22:55:26BigBambiIn which case, Rockbox won't run on it
22:55:30bluebrotherscroll down or click the "ipod classic" link
22:55:38bluebrother"The iPod classic is available in silver and black, and has an anodized aluminum and polished stainless steel enclosure."
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22:55:57bluebrotherand "You can distinguish the iPod classic from the iPod (5th generation) by the last three digits of the serial number. The iPod classic serial number's last three digits will be one of the following: Y5N, YMU, YMV, and YMX."
22:56:05bluebrotherso please check the serial
22:56:06XqtftqxIt was a 6th gen?
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22:56:56Xqtftqxjayde_drag0n: do you still want me to connect?
22:57:08jayde_drag0nhang on
22:57:22BigBambijayde_drag0n: therefore it is a classic (also called 6th gen) and Rockbox will not work
22:57:24Bagderwith a classic that's pointless
22:57:34saratogawho would ever have imagined that looking at two pictures and seeing which one matches an ipod was so difficult
22:57:54BigBambisaratoga: or even easier, the last digits of a serial number :)
23:00:15jayde_drag0nfrom what i'm hearing.. i'm just screwed.. no windows so i can't format it.. and noone anywhere has an answer for me to get ipod to show my music again.. and no workaround with rockbox
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23:02:24xqtftqxjayde_drag0n: did you try just connecting to itunes
23:04:04BigBambiThat is off topic
23:04:47xqtftqxi know, sorry, i cant watch somebody have a problem like that without wanting to help
23:04:58BigBambiIf you know, please do not do it
23:06:13BagderDevConEuro2008: 5 days + 18h : 53m : 55s
23:06:58xqtftqxalright, but can somebody help me, take a look at that and can somebody tell me whats wrong, i changed the key maps and changed the gigabeat to the gigabeat s, and under rockbox i get nothin
23:07:07xqtftqxno .rock and it wont load anything
23:07:17xqtftqxIts for the InfoNES patch btw
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23:12:16saratogaxqtftqx: the patch failed, so you'll need to look at the hunk that failed and figure out why
23:12:31xqtftqxi got the viewer one to work
23:14:07xqtftqxpatch: **** malformed patch at line 30115: /* For all targets */ , does that mean i failed?
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23:14:36bluebrothercan I list all revisions that have been committed to a directory (maybe with viewvc)?
23:16:24Bagderjust svn log in that dir
23:16:40Bagderit'll show subdirs too
23:19:28xqtftqxhow do i do "svn revert" i get "Not enough arguments provided"
23:19:40BigBambisvn revert -R .
23:19:45BigBambiin the base directory
23:19:51BigBambidon't forget the full stop
23:20:02Bagderor svn revert [file]
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23:20:12Bagderif you only want to revert a specific file
23:20:18BigBambixqtftqx: yes, what I gave you will do everything
23:20:21xqtftqxi want to revert the plugins dir
23:20:38BigBambisvn revert -R ./apps/plugins
23:20:45BigBambifrom in the rockbox folder
23:22:01xqtftqxcan i restore the whole rockbox source to default?
23:22:27Bagdernote that revert only reverts what svn knows about though
23:22:34BigBambiyes, using the first example I gave you
23:22:41Bagderand many patches add additional stuff that thus will remain
23:22:51xqtftqxi messed mine up
23:23:10BigBambixqtftqx: svn status will give you a list of changed/new/etc files
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23:23:35xqtftqxIm just gonna delete it and re download it
23:24:16BigBambilooking at the help, it seems svn cleanup might be useful for you
23:24:20Bagder"svn st -q" is what i do a lot
23:24:31xqtftqxwhat does that do?
23:24:43Bagdershows status
23:25:03BigBambixqtftqx: svn help is a useful command... :)
23:25:20xqtftqxlol, sorry
23:27:51xqtftqxAnybody have any patch recomendations before i build this?
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23:36:26bluebrother"patch recommendations"?
23:37:03xqtftqxany patchs i should add to this build
23:38:00saratogawe don't recommend any patches be added
23:38:08saratogaif we did they've be in SVN
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23:40:00fmlHello. What was the number (in the FS) of the bug about hanging at the end of the playlist?
23:40:23*bertrik 's crystal ball is cloudy today
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23:41:48fmlI searched FS but didn't find anything useful. I've experienced this bug today.
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23:45:38MikachuBagder: hi, i don't remember if it's you who handles the dns stuff, but i lost my domain, so could you (or the right person) change it cname for to
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23:48:54bertrikfml: I was trying to look for it in the tracker, but can't find it either
23:52:14JaybreHi, I'm not sure whether the Cowon d2 is considered "supported" yet (if ever), but does here know how to build the necessary environment for it to run?
23:52:37JaybreBy the way, I understand that it is still not close to being fully functional
23:52:51saratogacheck the for developers section in the wiki
23:53:07fmlbertrik: I hope Nico_P & Co. work on it since it's a very ugly bug for such a nice software. And it's a shame that it's there since playback is the main function of RB.
23:53:08JaybreOkay, thank you
23:53:10saratogaah here:
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23:58:35bertrikfml: I've never experienced something like a hang at the end of the playlist, but if you can reproduce it and there's no flyspray entry for it already, I think you should open one and add a clear description of the problem (and a reproduction recipe if possible)

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