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| 00:19:53 | PaulJam_ | am i right in thinking that there is no function in rockbox to convert a unix timestamp to a tm struct (something like localtime() or gmtime())? |
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| 00:46:29 | bluebrother | BigBambi: if you're interested, the same on linux. Unfortunately the permission thingy is a bit more complicated (as I need to check against GIDs). http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutil-sysinfo2.jpg |
| 00:47:43 | BigBambi | I certainly am interested - even just going back to yesterday I had an overly long conversation with someone as they didn't know what rights they had |
| 00:48:05 | BigBambi | Anything to enable us to check unambiguously is a bonus :) |
| 00:48:39 | bluebrother | in that case you might also be interested in http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/userinfo.exe |
| 00:48:55 | bluebrother | I wrote it to figure that w32api stuff :) |
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| 00:50:37 | mcuelenaere | bluebrother: userinfo.exe says me that I have admin privileges while I don't (I'm on Vista and haven't run it as a administrator) |
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| 00:51:00 | mcuelenaere | it gives me the same message when run with and without admin privileges |
| 00:51:12 | BigBambi_ | Sorry, I had to restart my router. 80 kpbs over wireless is no fun |
| 00:51:33 | bluebrother | mcuelenaere: hmm, interesting. Could this be you being admin but UAC kicking in? |
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| 00:51:42 | BigBambi_ | bluebrother: cheers, I'l try it next time I am on Windows :) |
| 00:52:07 | mcuelenaere | bluebrother: something like that I presume |
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| 00:52:47 | amiconn | On Vista rbutil ne |
| 00:52:48 | mcuelenaere | but shouldn't you be able to do a UAC request through some win32 api on vista? |
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| 00:53:02 | amiconn | s/ne/probably needs to trigger an UAC request/ |
| 00:53:14 | mcuelenaere | :) |
| 00:53:26 | BigBambi | That's one hell of a typo :) |
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| 00:54:22 | bluebrother | I tested on wxp and w2k and it works as expected. |
| 00:54:37 | amiconn | This needs the executable to have a proper manifest. See ipodpatcher |
| 00:55:15 | * | bluebrother considers this manifest thing stupid |
| 00:55:27 | pixelma | bluebrother: I can confirm that it works in WinXP as expected (even when run as a different user) |
| 00:55:58 | amiconn | The manifest is actually a good idea imho. And it's not difficult to add |
| 00:56:41 | amiconn | Have a look at ipodpatcher.manifest, ipodpatcher.rc and the Makefile (linking the resource) |
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| 00:58:00 | bluebrother | I'll try to create a new binary with a manifest tomorrow for some guys with vista to check |
| 00:58:30 | amiconn | Iirc you can add a resource (and hence a manifest) to an existing .exe |
| 00:59:09 | amiconn | A quick test just needs putting the .manifest into the same folder as the .exe |
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| 01:00:18 | amiconn | ipodpatcher.manifest can be copied almost verbation, only the name="ipodpatcher.exe" in line 3 needs changing |
| 01:00:40 | bluebrother | nice. Does someone with vista want to try ...? |
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| 01:03:05 | amiconn | Another possibility for a quick test doesn't even need a manifest. Just rename the .exe to setup.exe ... |
| 01:03:11 | mcuelenaere | does explorer has some kind of cache for manifest files? because it doesn't seem to work.. |
| 01:03:18 | amiconn | (then Vista uses its "heuristics") |
| 01:04:31 | mcuelenaere | setup.exe method works BTW |
| 01:04:35 | * | bluebrother remembers reading about this broken concept some time back |
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| 01:12:06 | * | pixelma needs a nice introduction sentence for the touchpad style controls in Rockboy for Ipods |
| 01:12:34 | BigBambi | Touchpads are arse? |
| 01:12:58 | BigBambi | pixelma: However, being serious, slong what lines? |
| 01:13:02 | BigBambi | *along |
| 01:13:23 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: user.info.exe crashes for me when testing on Vista (in a VM) |
| 01:13:34 | mcuelenaere | strange |
| 01:13:45 | mcuelenaere | mine is a freshly installed RTM (no SP1) |
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| 01:15:04 | pixelma | BigBambi: along the lines that the touch wheel serves as a pad in Rockboy. It is devided into 8 segments which you use as buttons by tapping (top, top-right, right... and so on) |
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| 01:15:16 | BigBambi | OK |
| 01:16:03 | pixelma | I alread have "Tap blah" in the button table but would like to explain it shortly before |
| 01:17:04 | pixelma | somehow that sentence doesn't sound right... |
| 01:18:05 | BigBambi | Within Rockboy the touch wheel is used as a touchpad. It is split into 8 segments that when tapped correspond to 8 buttons such as Up, Diagonal Up and Left, Left, and so on. |
| 01:18:05 | BigBambi | Something like that? |
| 01:18:17 | BigBambi | perhaps s/segments/sections |
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| 01:21:02 | pixelma | the diagonal sections are used for completely different "buttons" (A and B button, start and select) |
| 01:21:15 | BigBambi | OK |
| 01:21:27 | pixelma | but it already sounds better than what I could think of |
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| 01:21:44 | BigBambi | Within Rockboy the touch wheel is used as a touchpad. It is split into 8 sections that when tapped correspond to 8 buttons as detailed in Table x. |
| 01:22:09 | pixelma | sounds nice, thanks :) |
| 01:22:29 | BigBambi | no probs :) |
| 01:24:19 | pixelma | is "touch wheel" vs. "touchpad" correct? How's the space handled there? |
| 01:25:33 | BigBambi | I would do it as that |
| 01:26:06 | BigBambi | touchpad seems to me to be a word, whereas touchwheel isn't |
| 01:26:20 | BigBambi | However, I only have what feels right to back me up :) |
| 01:26:33 | BigBambi | I'm sure on touchpad |
| 01:26:40 | pixelma | or maybe I should just use "wheel" to circumvent the problem ;) |
| 01:26:46 | BigBambi | touch wheel vs. touchwheel is arguable |
| 01:26:55 | BigBambi | pixelma: yes, that'd work :) |
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| 01:30:05 | amiconn | The correct name would be clickwheel according to apple |
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| 01:30:48 | amiconn | Only the 2nd and 3rd Gen have a touchwheel - and that one doesn't allow reading absolute positions |
| 01:32:08 | amiconn | pixelma: Btw, you need to distinguish the wheel types for the manuals |
| 01:32:12 | * | pixelma wonders whether the ones who (should) read this manual section would understand "clickwheel" </sarcasm> |
| 01:33:11 | amiconn | The clickwheel ipods except the mini 1st Gen support touch positions. The scrollwheel and touchwheel ipods and the mini 1st Gen don't |
| 01:33:12 | BigBambi | indeed |
| 01:33:29 | pixelma | amiconn: for Rockboy? The greyscale Ipds don't have Rockboy yet... or is this used anywhere else? |
| 01:33:52 | amiconn | Hmm, then it's not yet necessary by coincidence |
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| 02:42:40 | MTee | anybody there ? |
| 02:43:00 | krazykit | MTee, if you have a question, please just ask. |
| 02:43:48 | MTee | well, I have just added the arabic character set to a font .. so I was asking for someone to edit the wiki ? |
| 02:44:44 | krazykit | it's a wiki, you can edit it yourself |
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| 02:47:28 | MTee | silly me :) .... anyway, just found it was already marked in the wiki |
| 02:47:50 | MTee | helvR12 |
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| 02:49:28 | MTee | krazykit : shall I upload it to the svn or what ? |
| 02:50:32 | Llorean | MTee: If you want to get it included, you should submit it to the patch tracker. |
| 02:51:45 | MTee | Llorean : ok , it's ~4AM in here, so tomorrow I'll make some final modifications and submit it. |
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| 02:54:16 | MTee | any pointers on how to begin coding ? I have built the cross compiler and was able to compile a simulator, but don't know where to go next .. |
| 02:54:45 | krazykit | MTee, learn C would be the big one ;) |
| 02:55:18 | wastrel | some people like C |
| 02:55:22 | MTee | krazykit : I already know C :) .. |
| 02:56:15 | Llorean | So what exactly are you asking then? |
| 02:57:04 | MTee | I have never worked on real projects, all the programming I did in C was just solving some exercises so when looking through the code I feel kind of lost |
| 02:57:57 | MTee | is there a simple patch to start working on or something like that ? |
| 02:59:03 | Llorean | Unfortunately, simple tasks have a tendency to get done by someone |
| 02:59:33 | Llorean | You're best off looking into what you're interested in, and just trying to work out what bits do. Ask questions, play with the code. Maybe write a few plugins to test ideas. |
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| 03:00:41 | MTee | i see |
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| 03:14:31 | Sir_Lewk_ | I've been using rockbox on my ipod video for a few months now and just now ran into an issue |
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| 03:15:10 | Sir_Lewk_ | whenever I press the 'next' or 'last' buttons it jumps forward or backward in the song by a few seconds instead of skipping to the next/last song |
| 03:15:36 | Sir_Lewk_ | it didn't used to do this, I think I changed some option somewhere but can't figure out which, anyone have any idea? |
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| 03:18:36 | Llorean | Sir_Lewk_: You may have enabled study mode. |
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| 03:18:54 | mewshi | hello :) |
| 03:20:27 | mewshi | Could I get some help? |
| 03:20:47 | Llorean | mewshi: Generally it's best to just ask your question. Nobody around can know if they can help until they know what you need |
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| 03:21:31 | Sir_Lewk_ | Llorean, that was it. thanks :) |
| 03:22:31 | Sir_Lewk_ | mewshi, I'm willing to help if I can |
| 03:23:01 | mewshi | Do you know much about 1st gen ipod nanos? |
| 03:24:38 | krazykit | mewshi, just ask the question about them. |
| 03:25:54 | mewshi | My girlfriend's is dead |
| 03:25:57 | mewshi | when it's plugged in |
| 03:26:02 | mewshi | it makes a strange buzzing noise |
| 03:26:22 | Sir_Lewk_ | through the speakers you mean? |
| 03:27:00 | mewshi | yes |
| 03:27:16 | krazykit | so it doesn't boot into rockbox or the OF, then? |
| 03:27:22 | mewshi | no |
| 03:27:24 | mewshi | won't turn on |
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| 03:29:24 | krazykit | mewshi, try a hard reset: flip hold on then off, and then hold menu and select for 6 to 8 seconds, until the apple logo shows |
| 03:29:33 | mewshi | Tried it |
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| 03:35:26 | Llorean | mewshi: You turned hold on then off again first? This is actually pretty important. |
| 03:35:32 | Llorean | I'd also recommend holding them down for 20 seconds. |
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| 05:45:57 | FuriousGeorge | hey all |
| 05:46:04 | wastrel | hello |
| 05:46:47 | FuriousGeorge | following the guide here. at the bottom it describes how to encode in linux for my sansa using ffmpeg |
| 05:47:13 | FuriousGeorge | ffmpeg -i infile.avi -s 220x176 -vcodec mpeg2video -ar 44100 -acodec mp3 outfile.mpeg |
| 05:47:41 | FuriousGeorge | this works, except that the aspect ratio is not preserved, so if the video isnt 3x4, it will stretch it vertically |
| 05:48:40 | FuriousGeorge | unlike the rockbox windows encoder, which will not touch the aspect ratio. it will letterbox the video on my tiny screen, which is not terrible, but i was actually hoping to scale it when the video was wider than my screen, and crop the sides |
| 05:49:49 | MU{lappy} | you might do better w/ avidemux or mplayer for that, since you can fairly easily set up video filters to scale/crop etc to get your video as you like |
| 05:50:01 | MU{lappy} | i don't know a way to crop w/ ffmpeg.. which is not to say that there isn't one :D |
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| 05:58:12 | FuriousGeorge | MU{lappy}: never tried before. lemme see about that |
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| 06:05:53 | MU{lappy} | avidemux has a gui, if you want to go that route. mencoder is pretty much CLI-only, although there are tools to provide a GUI to set up options |
| 06:10:40 | FuriousGeorge | MU{lappy}: you know, i think i figured out the problem (im obviously no expert). my video is one resolution, my display is another. i can tell any encoder to make this file into a 220x176 version of itself, and it will, but of course it will be skewed.. iow, it's not gonna crop off the video... |
| 06:11:02 | FuriousGeorge | i just gotta cross multiply, encode it in the right resolution, then figure out how to scale it with any old encoder |
| 06:11:52 | FuriousGeorge | for instance this one video is 608x336 |
| 06:12:52 | FuriousGeorge | so i would have to go 220x121 (or so) to preserve the ratio |
| 06:18:08 | MU{lappy} | right, but you *want* it cropped to fill the screen, right? or maybe i didn't understand? |
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| 06:34:09 | Louis | hi |
| 06:34:12 | Louis | :) |
| 06:34:34 | Louis | Where is everyone? |
| 06:34:36 | Louis | D: |
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| 06:48:19 | FuriousGeorge | MU{lappy}: yeah, i want it cropped... i found the -vf scale x:y option with mencoder |
| 06:48:24 | FuriousGeorge | but, of course, |
| 06:48:33 | FuriousGeorge | im skipping frames all over the place and who knows why |
| 06:54:11 | MU{lappy} | hrm. what's the source, and did you specify a framerate for the output? |
| 06:55:52 | MU{lappy} | i *still* hit trouble w/ mencoder, and i've been using it for a good number of years now. framerates tend to be a common source of trouble, especially in MPEG sources where the source framerate may vary |
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| 07:07:08 | FuriousGeorge | MU{lappy}: frame skipping is b/c new mencoder does 29 fps instead of 29.997 so every second a frame is skipped, and it outputs to stderr |
| 07:07:14 | FuriousGeorge | forcing 29.97 fixes |
| 07:07:42 | MU{lappy} | hrm, is the input interlaced? |
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| 07:08:14 | MU{lappy} | 29.97 probably means either TV (30 interlace frames/sec) or film that's been telecined |
| 07:10:16 | MU{lappy} | also, you probably want to use -ofps 30000/1001, although the difference between that an 29.97 is too small to matter except for fairly long videos |
| 07:10:26 | MU{lappy} | also, i *loathe* ntsc ;) |
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| 07:20:09 | FuriousGeorge | MU{lappy}: i was confused being as that is a framerate used in analog tv, but let me find you the doc |
| 07:21:06 | MU{lappy} | aiui ntsc analog tv is "really" 30000/1001 fps, rather than 29.97. i could be mistaken, though. |
| 07:21:16 | FuriousGeorge | http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Mencoder#Correcting_NTSC_framerate |
| 07:21:51 | FuriousGeorge | yeah, it is for ntsc, even though i wasnt specifying ntsc, it was generating that error, and specifying that fps fixed it |
| 07:23:29 | FuriousGeorge | mencoder in_file.avi -of mpeg -oac mp3lame -lavcopts acodec=mp3:abitrate=128 -af resample=44100:0:0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate=200 -vf scale=220:176>,harddup -fps 30000/1001 -o file.mpeg |
| 07:23:58 | FuriousGeorge | that produces poor quality video and it still has not honored my aspect ratio... lemme throw in a -zoom and some other options |
| 07:24:49 | MU{lappy} | well, if you want it cropped, you are going to need to use the crop filter. |
| 07:26:19 | MU{lappy} | also, is your input interlaced, telecined, or progressive? it's fairly unlikely to be progressive, and if it's interlaced it *might* look better deinterlaced, and telecined will almost definitely look better detelecined. |
| 07:27:24 | MU{lappy} | ... although i guess it's possible that it *was* interlaced and somebody deinterlaced it before encoding it to the avi file you have |
| 07:33:29 | FuriousGeorge | i think its progressive |
| 07:34:58 | FuriousGeorge | sudo mencoder IN_file.avi -of mpeg -oac mp3lame -lavcopts acodec=mp3:abitrate=196:vmax_b_frames=16:vb_strategy=2 -af resample=44100:0:0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate=200 -vf scale=220:176,harddup -zoom -fps 30000/1001 -o OUT_file.mpeg <−−- this is what im trying now.... you want me to add anything? |
| 07:36:24 | MU{lappy} | ... why sudo? |
| 07:37:02 | MU{lappy} | also, the lavcopts stuff about audio codec doesn't apply, since you're using mp3lame for audio instead of lavc |
| 07:37:32 | MU{lappy} | and if you want it cropped, unstretched, full screen on the sansa, you still need a crop filter |
| 07:39:29 | MU{lappy} | -vf crop=420:336:94:0,scale=220:176 ought to do |
| 07:40:24 | MU{lappy} | and harddup, if you really need that |
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| 07:48:24 | FuriousGeorge | MU{lappy}: where did you get 94:0 from? |
| 07:48:40 | FuriousGeorge | im currently rebuilding mplayer with mmxext and 3dnowext and cpudetection |
| 07:49:00 | FuriousGeorge | as i was uni-processor and a bit too slow anyway before |
| 07:49:35 | MU{lappy} | 420:336 is what you'd need to crop to to scale to 220x176 w/ stretching or letterboxing |
| 07:49:56 | MU{lappy} | and 94 is the number of pixels you'd need to crop off each side to go from 608->420 |
| 07:50:03 | MU{lappy} | (608-420)/2 |
| 07:50:58 | FuriousGeorge | i get it |
| 07:51:44 | MU{lappy} | but you're going to lose 30% of the picture altogether that way. i'd prefer letterboxed output myself. |
| 07:51:47 | FuriousGeorge | but you meant 440, right? |
| 07:51:53 | FuriousGeorge | 440:246? |
| 07:51:58 | FuriousGeorge | *346 |
| 07:53:01 | FuriousGeorge | MU{lappy}: iow, we are looking for a larger resolution than the devices, but with the same ratio. first we crop to that, then we adjust the res |
| 07:53:01 | MU{lappy} | you said input is 608x336 |
| 07:53:35 | FuriousGeorge | oic... dont we want a resolution on the same ratio as 220x176 to figure out how many to crop? |
| 07:54:23 | MU{lappy} | right, that would be 420x336, if you really want to crop off both sides until it has the same aspect ratio as the display |
| 07:55:19 | FuriousGeorge | MU{lappy}: ok, so you just cross multiplied the other way... x/336::220/176 |
| 07:55:33 | MU{lappy} | right |
| 07:55:38 | FuriousGeorge | im with it now |
| 07:56:06 | MU{lappy} | like i said, i'd rather the letterboxed version myself, since you can't be sure about what's in the 15% cropped off each side |
| 07:56:19 | FuriousGeorge | i was thinking that too |
| 07:56:24 | FuriousGeorge | otoh the screen is already so tiny |
| 07:56:42 | MU{lappy} | yeah, that's a serious issue on such a small screen |
| 07:56:48 | MU{lappy} | you could always do it stretched :) |
| 07:57:14 | MU{lappy} | ... by 45%... probably very visible and ugly |
| 07:58:00 | FuriousGeorge | not to mention that my ratio is >4:3 (it's 4.3.2), so if i get some 2.35x1 media, which i do from time to time, ill probably have to go more conservative on the shrinkage |
| 07:58:11 | FuriousGeorge | MU{lappy}: i mean: zoomage |
| 07:58:15 | FuriousGeorge | or scalage |
| 07:59:30 | MU{lappy} | right, your display is 5:4, there's basically nothing that can go on that w/o cropping or letterboxing |
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| 08:00:00 | MU{lappy} | and, ick, 2.35:1 on that, letterboxed, would be 94px tall |
| 08:00:49 | MU{lappy} | i don't suppose something w/ a bigger and less square screen is in the budget? ;) |
| 08:01:20 | FuriousGeorge | MU{lappy}: i could get an iphone, but then id have no reason to replace the firmware :) |
| 08:01:40 | MU{lappy} | heh |
| 08:01:54 | MU{lappy} | aside from format support |
| 08:02:30 | FuriousGeorge | MU{lappy}: even with the cracks the iphone lacks good support for a/v formats? |
| 08:03:10 | MU{lappy} | i have no idea. i don't have one, so i don't really care if you can make it play non-itunes format |
| 08:07:44 | FuriousGeorge | im spoiled from years of using linux in one way: i feel limitations should be real not arbitrary |
| 08:09:04 | MU{lappy} | heh, yeah, but i'm not sure how hard it would be to add formats to the built-in media player |
| 08:14:17 | FuriousGeorge | it needs an mpegplayer port |
| 08:14:24 | FuriousGeorge | for the unlocked version :) |
| 08:14:47 | FuriousGeorge | ok, gonna try this again... was taking more than 45 minutes to software scale on my dual opty before |
| 08:21:46 | FuriousGeorge | MU{lappy}: hmm... [CROP] Bad position/width/height - cropped area outside of the original! |
| 08:21:55 | FuriousGeorge | it made sense to me when you explained it |
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| 08:27:05 | FuriousGeorge | actually this may have to do with the recent upgrade |
| 08:31:13 | FuriousGeorge | here we go http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=274649 |
| 08:31:36 | FuriousGeorge | offset is optional... |
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| 08:49:23 | MU{lappy} | FuriousGeorge: that's a very odd error to get, are you sure you had crop before scale? |
| 08:49:38 | MU{lappy} | also, you prolly want to add threads=2 to your lavcopts |
| 08:50:21 | FuriousGeorge | i did the latter |
| 08:50:34 | FuriousGeorge | im sure i had crop... |
| 08:50:43 | FuriousGeorge | first |
| 08:50:53 | FuriousGeorge | MU{lappy}: the crazy thing is, it didnt crop |
| 08:51:02 | FuriousGeorge | im taking out the :0:0 to see if it helps |
| 08:53:58 | FuriousGeorge | i think my low latency desktop kernel doesnt really take advantage of my cpus when i encode media |
| 08:54:26 | FuriousGeorge | using nice -11 im getting a load of about 1 |
| 08:54:34 | FuriousGeorge | (2 cpus) |
| 08:55:37 | FuriousGeorge | .join #gentoo |
| 08:55:39 | FuriousGeorge | oops |
| 08:55:41 | FuriousGeorge | :) |
| 08:55:50 | * | FuriousGeorge didnt mean to spam |
| 08:57:19 | MU{lappy} | heh |
| 08:57:30 | MU{lappy} | you might also wanna use -lavdopts threads=2 |
| 08:57:34 | MU{lappy} | i get better utilization that way |
| 08:57:52 | MU{lappy} | also, i'd use top to get a good idea of what kind of CPU load you're having |
| 08:58:24 | MU{lappy} | and nice only matters when you're contending w/ other CPU-intensive processes, you probably don't really want to be using it |
| 08:59:32 | MU{lappy} | also, le sigh, apparently no way to support metadata for ac3 files w/o transcoding to another format :/ |
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| 09:01:09 | FuriousGeorge | MU{lappy}: i know you didnt mislead me b/c i verified that -vf crop stuff in a thread about this... |
| 09:01:15 | FuriousGeorge | but the damn thing isnt cropping :) |
| 09:05:47 | MU{lappy} | huh. wonder what's gone wrong? :/ |
| 09:06:38 | FuriousGeorge | http://rafb.net/p/edNVp353.html |
| 09:06:47 | FuriousGeorge | ill take it to #mplayer |
| 09:07:02 | FuriousGeorge | but there's the output in case you are wondering |
| 09:07:11 | FuriousGeorge | i notice this: |
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| 09:07:38 | FuriousGeorge | Opening video filter: [crop w=420 h=336] |
| 09:07:38 | FuriousGeorge | Crop: 420 x 336, -1 ; -1 |
| 09:07:51 | FuriousGeorge | does the -1 mean it's failing? |
| 09:09:11 | FuriousGeorge | MU{lappy}: i would think a failure would be a bit more verbose... |
| 09:10:11 | Llorean | Okay, I've just got here and had to read through a few hours of non-Rockbox talk in here |
| 09:10:51 | Llorean | Please take off-topic talk somewhere else. "How to convert videos" is more or less the same as "how do I rip CDs", not really relevant to the actual Rockbox channel. |
| 09:11:07 | FuriousGeorge | i always wondered what the possible harm in people being off-topic in an otherwise silent room was, and now i know |
| 09:11:34 | Llorean | It's explained in the channel guidelines... |
| 09:11:47 | FuriousGeorge | no need, i totally get it |
| 09:12:15 | Llorean | Yeah, but it's like the first sentence of them. |
| 09:12:25 | Llorean | If you'd bothered to read them, it would've saved probably dozens of people a lot of time. |
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| 09:14:14 | FuriousGeorge | well, it /is/ tangentially relevant. perhaps if we get to the right answer, someone will see it, update the wiki, and everyone converting video for their sansas running rockbox wont be hosing their aspect ratio |
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| 09:14:48 | Llorean | And you can do that in the off-topic channel, and update the wiki yourself since it's a wiki |
| 09:15:11 | scorche | please dont try to blur the line...it is either directly relates to rockbox or it doesnt |
| 09:15:12 | FuriousGeorge | i could be that someone |
| 09:15:13 | MU{lappy} | i'm inclined to agree that content preparation is not off-topic, but it's not my call. ;) |
| 09:15:42 | FuriousGeorge | besides, i said i'd take it to #mplayer before you'd said anything to me |
| 09:15:56 | Llorean | MU{lappy}: This channel is for questions pertaining to the Rockbox software. Content preparation doesn't beyond "What requirements must the content meet?" |
| 09:16:20 | Llorean | How to make that content meet those requirements has nothing to do with Rockbox itself, just a host of other software. |
| 09:16:35 | FuriousGeorge | well, since i took it elsewhere, cant we just agree to disagree |
| 09:16:46 | MU{lappy} | fair enough, i'll keep that in mind in future. |
| 09:17:12 | Llorean | FuriousGeorge: The key is that certain people who are here often should know what is off topic, and why, so this doesn't happen again. I was clarifying for one of those certain people. :) |
| 09:18:31 | scorche | FuriousGeorge: feel free to disagree, however the guidelines stand and you now know which side of the line these matters are on ;) |
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| 09:19:14 | FuriousGeorge | scorche: i dunno, i got a little lawyer in me. everything is subject to interpretation |
| 09:19:20 | MU{lappy} | if i read the code right, there's no tag support of any kind for the a52 codec... i'm assuming because there's no native tag format or consensus about the use of add-on tags like id3 or ape w/ it? |
| 09:19:36 | scorche | FuriousGeorge: i made those guidelines...i can tell you the creators direct intent ;) |
| 09:20:08 | Llorean | MU{lappy}: generally, we only support "native" formats, so since there's not one, it's as simple as that. |
| 09:20:30 | FuriousGeorge | sorche: fine, you win |
| 09:20:49 | MU{lappy} | a sensible enough decision, even if it "forces" me to transcode lossy->lossy to add tags |
| 09:21:13 | MU{lappy} | not that resampling 48KHz->44.1KHz is exactly lossless, anyway |
| 09:22:13 | Llorean | MU{lappy}: You are aware that you can store it in a folder structure, and have Rockbox display folder and filenames in the place of tags, if tags are not found? |
| 09:23:46 | MU{lappy} | actually, i was not. this is the first cause i've had to touch anything that was in a non-taggable, lossy format. |
| 09:24:30 | Llorean | The default WPSes ought to do this already |
| 09:25:03 | Llorean | Expecting an \Artist\Album\Songname.ext layout. |
| 09:26:20 | MU{lappy} | ah, geez, the S60 has decided it's too low to boot up, again. |
| 09:31:22 | MU{lappy} | i imagine such files would still not be in the database, though? |
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| 09:31:34 | MU{lappy} | i came from karma, i use the database pretty much exclusively |
| 09:31:43 | Llorean | Yes, they wouldn't be in the database |
| 09:34:13 | MU{lappy} | i don't suppose supporting tags from a text file stored alongside the audio file would be a feature many would be interested in, eh? |
| 09:34:33 | MU{lappy} | or to put it another way, if i worked on such a thing, it'd probably not be wanted in rockbox, right? |
| 09:34:55 | stripwax | MU{lappy} - it may just be easier to recode into a taggable format |
| 09:35:12 | stripwax | ^recode^transcode |
| 09:35:39 | Llorean | Why would we accept tags in a separate text file OVER "non-native tag formats"? |
| 09:36:54 | MU{lappy} | Llorean: because it doesn't involve messing w/ the file itself, i would think. i'm just trying to think of a way that might be considered more acceptable than slapping APEv2 or ID3 tags onto files that aren't really expected to support them. |
| 09:38:11 | Llorean | ApeV2 is more or less designed to go on files that aren't designed to be tagged, isn't it? |
| 09:39:28 | MU{lappy} | and it looks like adding APEv2 reading is simple enough that i wouldn't mind maintaining it in a custom build if it weren't wanted upstream. my only real concern is that the codec might try to "play" the tags. |
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| 10:13:39 | JdGordon | petur: hey, which wiki page has yopur h300 CF enabled bootloader? |
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| 10:16:19 | petur | CFMod |
| 10:16:51 | JdGordon | ah found it :) |
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| 10:20:01 | JdGordon | arg, how do you open the bloody thing? |
| 10:25:51 | petur | with great care ;) |
| 10:27:29 | amiconn | There are instructions on misticriver iirc |
| 10:27:46 | JdGordon | grr.. the front is being stubborn |
| 10:27:48 | amiconn | It's not too difficult. |
| 10:27:56 | petur | the front??? |
| 10:27:58 | * | amiconn opened his H340 once |
| 10:28:17 | JdGordon | got a new battery for it so need to get to the front also |
| 10:28:25 | * | petur needs no instructions anymore |
| 10:28:42 | petur | ah yes, stupid connector location |
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| 10:30:01 | Beats | Im having a little trouble with rockbox utility detecting myiPod |
| 10:30:17 | scorche | which ipod do you have? |
| 10:30:22 | Beats | 3g |
| 10:30:28 | Beats | 3rd generation |
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| 10:31:11 | scorche | and is it just not detecting it or is there another issue? |
| 10:31:26 | bliv56 | hi |
| 10:31:36 | Beats | Its just not deteting it |
| 10:31:41 | Beats | detecting |
| 10:32:00 | bliv56 | One quick question. In database under recently added all my songs are shown. Why |
| 10:32:54 | scorche | Beats: have you tried manually selecting which drive letter it is under? |
| 10:33:16 | Beats | actualy theres no letter im using Linux |
| 10:33:21 | Beats | Yes i have |
| 10:33:27 | Slasheri | bliv56: you haven't added/removed files from the db different enough times or you have re-initialized the db |
| 10:33:52 | scorche | Beats: have you tried the manual install method? |
| 10:33:59 | Beats | No, |
| 10:34:38 | bliv56 | Well i re-initilized it like bit over 2 months ago. Still it remains all songs in recently added |
| 10:35:41 | bliv56 | Can i change it to show say only songs added in last month? |
| 10:35:41 | bliv56 | Or does it work a different way |
| 10:35:41 | Slasheri | bliv56: hmm, and you have made more than 4 updates to the db between that interval? |
| 10:35:41 | bliv56 | yeah its on auto-update |
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| 10:35:42 | bliv56 | is that ok? |
| 10:35:45 | Kick | (#rockbox bliv56 :No flooding!) by logbot!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-797ffec106c19942 |
| 10:37:22 | Beats | where is the .zip file in the ipod nano |
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| 10:37:41 | Slasheri | in theory yes, but you have to give the timestamp as an integer to use the time-based selection (not sure if there is even a tag defined for it). By default, the commit count (times the db has been updated) is used |
| 10:37:51 | Slasheri | auto-update is fine |
| 10:38:06 | JdGordon | petur: which way up does the cqrd go in? |
| 10:38:24 | scorche | Beats: do you mean that you have a 3rd generation ipod nano and not an ipod 3rd generation? |
| 10:38:40 | bliv65 | i was kicked for typing too much :P |
| 10:38:40 | Beats | huh? |
| 10:38:44 | Beats | I meant to say wheres the root of the drive |
| 10:38:47 | bliv65 | so in theory it should have already change recently added |
| 10:38:48 | Slasheri | bliv65: yeah, bots are inferiour sometimes |
| 10:38:49 | Beats | what folder? |
| 10:38:58 | scorche | Beats: do you have a 3rd gen ipod or a 3rd gen ipod nano? |
| 10:39:18 | Beats | nano |
| 10:39:34 | stripwax | rockbox doesn't work on "3rd gen ipod nano" |
| 10:39:55 | scorche | as said on the front page, rockbox will not work for your device |
| 10:39:55 | petur | JdGordon: the normal way? top side on top? |
| 10:40:53 | petur | JdGordon: align the pins on the right (with the unit facing front on table, hdd connector above) |
| 10:41:13 | JdGordon | thanks |
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| 11:21:43 | JdGordon | pixelma: I changed my mind... ill commit the cond vp sometime soonish and do %m later (depending on the damage) |
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| 11:52:15 | Buschel | saratoga: yes, i saw the thread about the mpc-glitch. this one seems not be connected to my latest changes. in fact i assume this glitch is also contained in the non-speed-optimized code. |
| 11:53:53 | Buschel | saratoga: the dct mpc uses is suboptimal in terms of the used coefficients. the dct might overflow internally... there was a fix already, but it seems like i need to do some further work in this area. |
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| 11:56:01 | paulo | hi |
| 11:56:47 | paulo | someone is here? |
| 11:57:08 | pixelma | no, all bots... ;) |
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| 11:58:16 | scorche | pixelma: you scared 'im off! |
| 11:58:36 | pixelma | o_O |
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| 12:09:33 | JdGordon | amiconn: have you got vid/voip conference calls ability at the devcon? |
| 12:09:46 | * | JdGordon would like to participate in some of the disucssions... |
| 12:19:42 | * | petur has gizmo on his laptop (SIP compliant VOIP) |
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| 12:22:15 | * | petur will bring his omnidirectional mics and mic amp in case we need them for this |
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| 12:28:10 | scorche | wow...i just noticed that it is almost a doubling of devcon attendance from last year |
| 12:29:05 | scorche | stripwax: do you think you could make the post-devcon-devconpub? |
| 12:29:31 | scorche | stripwax_ even |
| 12:31:09 | stripwax_ | just got back from vaca.. sure, where/when? |
| 12:31:27 | amiconn | bluebrother: Did you read about the crash of userinfo.exe on Vista that I got? |
| 12:31:46 | amiconn | (both with and without the setup.exe trick, running as an administrative user) |
| 12:31:53 | bluebrother | amiconn: no, I'm only aware it reporting the wrong permission level |
| 12:32:07 | scorche | stripwax_: in the thread starting from here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10916.msg125071#msg125071 |
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| 12:32:52 | amiconn | The error code was 0xc0000005 |
| 12:33:13 | amiconn | This is on plain Vista Business (no SP1) in a VM |
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| 12:48:15 | petur | 0xc0000005 is an access violation |
| 12:50:14 | amiconn | yes |
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| 13:01:35 | petur | for example using a NULL pointer |
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| 13:10:34 | BigBambi | bluebrother: Nice rbutil commit |
| 13:10:59 | bluebrother | thanks. I'm going to check for the crash amiconn reported now |
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| 13:21:52 | BigBambi | bluebrother: should my username appear on the linux version? |
| 13:22:04 | BigBambi | As it is blank at the moment |
| 13:24:48 | bluebrother | it should (and it does for me) |
| 13:25:00 | bluebrother | so you're using a blank username? ;-) |
| 13:25:19 | BigBambi | hehe, nope :) |
| 13:26:14 | BigBambi | I'm just trying to upload it, but basically the rest of it works fine but username field is blank |
| 13:26:39 | bluebrother | strange. |
| 13:27:09 | BigBambi | could this be another (k)ubuntu specific issue? |
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| 13:29:20 | bluebrother | just looking at the man page of getlogin ... the bugs section is kinda amusing. |
| 13:31:08 | bluebrother | (didn't notice that before) |
| 13:33:14 | BigBambi | bluebrother: is there a simple way I can check if getlogin works here on its own, as it were |
| 13:37:33 | BigBambi | bluebrother: With your change at http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/5397 it now works correctly |
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| 13:37:54 | bluebrother | ok, then it seems there are issues with getlogin and I'll switch ... |
| 13:39:06 | bluebrother | BigBambi: compare getlogin and getpwuid: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/logintest.c |
| 13:40:33 | BigBambi | bluebrother: getlogin() result is: (null) getpwuid() result is: alex |
| 13:40:38 | bluebrother | comit++ ;-) |
| 13:40:54 | BigBambi | yup :) |
| 13:41:21 | bluebrother | seems like today is committing day ;-) |
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| 14:20:35 | bluebrother | interesting. userinfo works as expected on vista for me with a standard "user" account. |
| 14:20:50 | bluebrother | and that is without elevating |
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| 14:26:09 | mcuelenaere | s/anyone/anyone knows/ |
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| 15:40:47 | SETH_HIKARU | HELLO |
| 15:41:00 | SETH_HIKARU | im having a problem with patching |
| 15:41:10 | SETH_HIKARU | can someone provide some help |
| 15:41:31 | SETH_HIKARU | hello |
| 15:41:35 | SETH_HIKARU | anyone there |
| 15:41:42 | MarcGuay | Just ask. |
| 15:42:00 | SETH_HIKARU | i did |
| 15:42:10 | SETH_HIKARU | im having a prblem with patching |
| 15:42:17 | MarcGuay | That's not a question. |
| 15:42:29 | SETH_HIKARU | well i cant copy from cygwin |
| 15:42:38 | SETH_HIKARU | so youll have to view a screenshot |
| 15:42:56 | SETH_HIKARU | whats the site that hosts pictures for free |
| 15:43:20 | desowin | imageshack.us |
| 15:43:24 | SETH_HIKARU | ok |
| 15:43:30 | SETH_HIKARU | i put the link up in a sec |
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| 15:46:54 | SETH_HIKARU | hold on almost there |
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| 15:47:18 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: you don't need to keep us up to date with every little action |
| 15:47:21 | desowin | you don't need such "status-updates", no rush here |
| 15:48:53 | SETH_HIKARU | http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cygwinnq9.jpg |
| 15:48:57 | SETH_HIKARU | theres the link |
| 15:49:07 | SETH_HIKARU | read it very carefully someone |
| 15:49:19 | SETH_HIKARU | so i can get the CORRECT HELP |
| 15:49:45 | * | JdGordon withholds his incorrect help... |
| 15:49:52 | BigBambi | As it says, try patch -p0 < patchfile |
| 15:49:56 | SETH_HIKARU | why |
| 15:50:11 | SETH_HIKARU | i dont want to not include part of the file |
| 15:50:17 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: and if you want help, I would try being more gracious and less rude |
| 15:50:23 | SETH_HIKARU | that just deafeated the whole pupose |
| 15:50:27 | BigBambi | what? |
| 15:50:30 | BigBambi | no it doesn't |
| 15:50:41 | SETH_HIKARU | oh well thats what it says |
| 15:50:41 | BigBambi | Go and read up on patch and how the -p option works |
| 15:50:51 | BigBambi | no it doesn't |
| 15:50:57 | SETH_HIKARU | ooh |
| 15:51:40 | SETH_HIKARU | oh i see |
| 15:51:52 | SETH_HIKARU | it removes directory info |
| 15:51:56 | SETH_HIKARU | so then |
| 15:52:08 | SETH_HIKARU | what -p and then the nmber should i use |
| 15:52:09 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: please stop using the enter key as punctuation |
| 15:52:28 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: did you read www.rockbox.org/wiki/WorkingWithPatches |
| 15:52:31 | SETH_HIKARU | gfu |
| 15:52:36 | SETH_HIKARU | yes |
| 15:52:47 | BigBambi | Then read it again, it tells you |
| 15:52:59 | BigBambi | Especially the Applying a Patch section |
| 15:53:55 | SETH_HIKARU | so just to be correct would i use -p1 and you can only answer this question if you ave looked at the photo |
| 15:54:28 | BigBambi | a) It says to start at p0 and work down b) I have looked at the picture c) If you want further help, sort out the attitude |
| 15:55:28 | * | bluebrother would _really_ like to not see SCREAMING nicks. |
| 15:55:29 | SETH_HIKARU | BigBambi: Would you please tell me if i am correct in using -p1? |
| 15:55:38 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: I *just* did |
| 15:55:49 | BigBambi | Read part a of my previous answer |
| 15:55:56 | BigBambi | bluebrother: I agree |
| 15:56:09 | bluebrother | you most likely need -p0 |
| 15:56:18 | SETH_HIKARU | you said it says to start at p0 and work your way down |
| 15:56:20 | bluebrother | and *please* use a sane nick. Screaming nicks aren't. |
| 15:56:35 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: so use p0 then, if that doesn't work p1 etc. |
| 15:56:38 | SETH_HIKARU | ok |
| 15:56:51 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: This is *exactly* what the wiki page says |
| 15:56:58 | BigBambi | Please go and actually READ it |
| 15:57:11 | bluebrother | in your screenshot you don't use a strip option at all. |
| 15:57:24 | SETH_HIKARU | ok ok ok |
| 15:57:29 | SETH_HIKARU | new problem |
| 15:57:38 | bluebrother | indeed: screaming nick |
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| 15:57:40 | SETH_HIKARU | well 2/3 of a problem fixed |
| 15:57:49 | BigBambi | bluebrother: I have already given him the exact command and he started arguing about what -p does |
| 15:58:00 | SETH_HIKARU | shush |
| 15:58:05 | SETH_HIKARU | im thinking |
| 15:58:06 | bluebrother | give him a link to the man page of patch ;-) |
| 15:58:13 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: Then don't tell us about it |
| 15:58:20 | bluebrother | everyone silent! SETH_HIKARU is thinking! |
| 15:58:34 | SETH_HIKARU | it says 1 out 3 hunks failed |
| 15:58:42 | BigBambi | So the patch is out of date |
| 15:58:43 | SETH_HIKARU | and then |
| 15:58:43 | desowin | so patch is out-of-sync |
| 15:59:00 | BigBambi | The source code is is trying to change has been altered in SVN since the patch was created |
| 15:59:06 | BigBambi | s/is/it/ |
| 15:59:43 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: as it says, you need to look at the .rej file and manually alter the code as required |
| 15:59:56 | SETH_HIKARU | CS file:/cvsroot/rockbox/apps/plugins/doom/i_video.c, v |
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| 16:00:01 | SETH_HIKARU | tyhats what it says |
| 16:00:12 | BigBambi | that means nothing |
| 16:00:18 | BigBambi | on it's own |
| 16:00:23 | BigBambi | *its |
| 16:00:34 | SETH_HIKARU | ya thats where i got lost |
| 16:00:42 | BigBambi | I'm sure it isn't all it says |
| 16:00:42 | SETH_HIKARU | i dont have a .rej file |
| 16:01:00 | SETH_HIKARU | and i dont even know how to do that |
| 16:01:04 | BigBambi | Copy the output of the patch command to pastebin.ca |
| 16:01:35 | SETH_HIKARU | i have enough typing todo already |
| 16:01:41 | BigBambi | copy and paste |
| 16:01:46 | SETH_HIKARU | ok |
| 16:01:55 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: but if you can't be bothered, then I can't be bothered to try and help |
| 16:01:58 | SETH_HIKARU | first of all does.rej stand for reject |
| 16:02:03 | BigBambi | yes |
| 16:02:19 | SETH_HIKARU | and i do what with that again |
| 16:02:52 | BigBambi | You can scroll up and read what I typed before |
| 16:03:00 | JdGordon | SETH_HIKARU: what are you trying to do.... this will save everyone alot of headache if I just do a build for you |
| 16:03:25 | BigBambi | The .rej file contains the part of the patch that couldn't be applied. You need to manually apply that to the relevant file |
| 16:03:33 | SETH_HIKARU | are u serious |
| 16:03:33 | BigBambi | JdGordon: saviour :) |
| 16:03:43 | SETH_HIKARU | screw u bambi |
| 16:03:49 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: excuse me? |
| 16:03:52 | bluebrother | wait until he comes back ;-) |
| 16:03:56 | SETH_HIKARU | whoever does the daily builds is horrible |
| 16:04:06 | bluebrother | "whoever". Hillarious! |
| 16:04:09 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: Be polite, or you will be gone |
| 16:04:12 | SETH_HIKARU | jdgordan u should do the dail builds |
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| 16:04:18 | SETH_HIKARU | i know i will be gone |
| 16:04:24 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: They are done by a distrinuted build system |
| 16:04:29 | BigBambi | *distributed |
| 16:04:29 | bluebrother | SETH_HIKARU: you know it's a script doing those builds? |
| 16:04:33 | JdGordon | SETH_HIKARU: your going out of your way to be difficult... fix your attitude or you arnt getting squat |
| 16:04:36 | BigBambi | And they work perfectly |
| 16:05:06 | bluebrother | BigBambi: for 99.9999% of the people −− obviously not for SETH_HIKARU :D |
| 16:05:43 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: You are trying to apply a patch - we clearly aren't going to supply every possible combination of patches and builds |
| 16:05:58 | SETH_HIKARU | i disagree on that; a script cannot think for itself, a script cannot add patches that have just come out |
| 16:06:02 | BigBambi | The distributed builds of plain SVN work just fine |
| 16:06:05 | bluebrother | do we support patches at all? |
| 16:06:09 | SETH_HIKARU | no |
| 16:06:13 | SETH_HIKARU | i dont htink u do |
| 16:06:14 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: People add the patches, then the build system build it |
| 16:06:14 | bluebrother | YES. |
| 16:06:20 | SETH_HIKARU | cause they could be BUGGY |
| 16:06:22 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: You don't know what you are talking about |
| 16:06:28 | BigBambi | And you are just looking silly |
| 16:06:30 | bluebrother | SETH_HIKARU: stop it or leave. |
| 16:06:41 | bluebrother | someone *really* tries to deserve a kickban. |
| 16:06:49 | SETH_HIKARU | ok |
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| 16:08:04 | BigBambi | bluebrother: I guess we support patches in terms of help applying and helping test/improve with a view to being added |
| 16:08:23 | SETH_HIKARU | i have a malformed patch a line 59 what do i do with that |
| 16:08:39 | * | bluebrother is tempted to say "fix it" ... |
| 16:09:03 | bluebrother | BigBambi: yep, but not in terms of "we support any user in making his own build", do we? |
| 16:09:06 | * | BigBambi isn't helping anymore - I'm not so fond of being insulted when giving up my time to help |
| 16:09:10 | SETH_HIKARU | well im attempted to say that i dont know C but i do know C+ and C++ |
| 16:09:23 | BigBambi | C+ ? |
| 16:09:30 | SETH_HIKARU | so fixxing it i cannot do |
| 16:09:43 | BigBambi | bluebrother: No, I don't think so, but it is just a judgement call type thing |
| 16:09:44 | SETH_HIKARU | u have never heard of C+ |
| 16:09:59 | BigBambi | nope |
| 16:10:03 | bluebrother | SETH_HIKARU: you ever heard of brainfuck or whitespace? |
| 16:10:09 | SETH_HIKARU | yep |
| 16:10:10 | * | MTee asks what is C+ ? |
| 16:10:14 | BigBambi | And please use real words, not things like "u" |
| 16:10:16 | SETH_HIKARU | i know them |
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| 16:10:30 | SETH_HIKARU | i have written programs in them |
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| 16:10:41 | bluebrother | ROTFL. |
| 16:11:09 | SETH_HIKARU | but not many people know runescript but i do so i can hack runescape the real way |
| 16:11:15 | SETH_HIKARU | back on topic |
| 16:11:31 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: C or C++ doesn't really matter too much here - I find it hard to believe you can use C++ but not sort out the patch |
| 16:11:38 | SETH_HIKARU | i think ill just compile my source |
| 16:11:41 | sottawa | hi, I have an issue with rockbox on sansa 280 |
| 16:11:44 | SETH_HIKARU | and see if it works |
| 16:11:48 | sottawa | is this the place to come? |
| 16:11:56 | BigBambi | sottawa: yep, ask away |
| 16:12:00 | bluebrother | sottawa: yes, but you need to ask your question ;-) |
| 16:12:08 | sottawa | yes, I try to play radio |
| 16:12:13 | sottawa | and the system locks up tight |
| 16:12:25 | BigBambi | sottawa: Which version of Rockbox? |
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| 16:12:40 | desowin | code your program to apply patches and automateically sync those then |
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| 16:12:47 | sottawa | double checking |
| 16:12:50 | sottawa | hold |
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| 16:13:17 | SETH_HIKARU | um what does assume -R |
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| 16:13:50 | SETH_HIKARU | neverming |
| 16:13:52 | desowin | revert |
| 16:14:01 | SETH_HIKARU | JdGordan |
| 16:14:05 | SETH_HIKARU | u there |
| 16:14:20 | webguest01 | I am having a problem with my ig ipod nano |
| 16:14:26 | BigBambi | webguest01: Ask away |
| 16:14:35 | JdGordon | SETH_HIKARU: 1) is JdGordon, 2) 'u' is not a word |
| 16:14:46 | SETH_HIKARU | ok |
| 16:14:49 | webguest01 | When starting up rockbox I am receiving an ata 11- error |
| 16:14:52 | SETH_HIKARU | can u do me a favor |
| 16:14:57 | sottawa | version r.17091-080413 |
| 16:15:00 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: ffs - real words |
| 16:15:12 | SETH_HIKARU | ok |
| 16:15:20 | SETH_HIKARU | will you do me a favpr |
| 16:15:24 | SETH_HIKARU | favor* |
| 16:15:26 | BigBambi | sottawa: That is pretty out of date - could you update and check again? |
| 16:15:36 | sottawa | sure thing |
| 16:15:40 | BigBambi | thanks |
| 16:15:40 | sottawa | I'll try |
| 16:15:46 | sottawa | thank you |
| 16:16:14 | SETH_HIKARU | JdGordan: Can you do me a favor |
| 16:16:27 | SETH_HIKARU | will you please patch a file and give it to me |
| 16:16:49 | BigBambi | webguest01: have you modded it or dropped it or anything recently? |
| 16:17:02 | JdGordon | SETH_HIKARU: farting hell... i said i would 20min ago but you ignored it... and now im going to bed so you missed your chance |
| 16:17:07 | webguest01 | I have just installed rockbox this morning |
| 16:17:12 | webguest01 | I have never dropped it |
| 16:17:14 | SETH_HIKARU | oh come |
| 16:17:17 | SETH_HIKARU | please |
| 16:17:33 | BigBambi | webguest01: did you install with rbutil? |
| 16:17:40 | webguest01 | yes |
| 16:18:00 | BigBambi | Does the Apple firmware still boot? |
| 16:18:05 | webguest01 | Also it is not recognized by my mac so I can not do anything with it |
| 16:18:21 | BigBambi | aha |
| 16:18:26 | BigBambi | Is it a MacPod? |
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| 16:18:39 | BigBambi | bluebrother: does rbutil check for macpods? |
| 16:18:48 | webguest01 | I converted it from macpod to winpod this morning |
| 16:18:52 | BigBambi | ok |
| 16:18:59 | BigBambi | I suspect there may be a problem there |
| 16:19:04 | bluebrother | BigBambi: yes, the ipodpatcher part does |
| 16:19:10 | BigBambi | Can you still boot the apple firmware? |
| 16:19:17 | BigBambi | bluebrother: I suspected it would :) |
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| 16:19:28 | webguest01 | I am not sure how to do that |
| 16:19:45 | BigBambi | (it is in the manual), but turn on hold just after turning it on |
| 16:20:47 | webguest01 | yes I can |
| 16:21:07 | webguest01 | ok well not it is working |
| 16:21:10 | BigBambi | that's interesting |
| 16:21:13 | webguest01 | Thank you guys |
| 16:21:35 | BigBambi | sorry, I'm a little confused - what works and what doesn't? |
| 16:21:54 | webguest01 | I loaded the apple firmware and it was recognized by my mac |
| 16:22:10 | BigBambi | ok, so that works fine but Rockbox gives the error? |
| 16:22:16 | webguest01 | yes |
| 16:22:44 | BigBambi | weird - I can't help I'm afraid, but hang about and hopefully someone who can will read it in the logs and get back to you |
| 16:23:00 | webguest01 | alright thanks again |
| 16:23:23 | BigBambi | no problem, hopefully it we will find a solution :) |
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| 16:29:41 | sottawa | can someone give me some insight into how the fm radio works? I say yes to autoscan and nothing happens |
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| 16:30:43 | MarcGuay | Does it scan at all? |
| 16:30:53 | adamgolding | is there any way to 'love' tracks for last.fm within rockbox? |
| 16:31:01 | JdGordon | sottawa: have you got headphones plugged in? it uses it for the antena |
| 16:31:09 | sottawa | no |
| 16:31:13 | sottawa | is it needed? |
| 16:31:22 | JdGordon | you wont get any channels without it |
| 16:31:34 | sottawa | ok checking -thanks |
| 16:31:43 | BigBambi | adamgolding: no |
| 16:32:24 | adamgolding | k |
| 16:36:04 | sottawa | Hi Jd, I autoscan and it shows a listing of stations, I want to save the presets so I say save and it comes back with a screen with wiht an fmr filename and jiberish chars |
| 16:36:07 | sottawa | any idea? |
| 16:36:19 | MTee | after changing a font, do I patch it ? |
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| 16:37:35 | sottawa | I think I got it |
| 16:37:35 | JdGordon | sottawa: press play |
| 16:37:40 | sottawa | forget it |
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| 16:37:45 | sottawa | yeah got it |
| 16:37:57 | MarcGuay | sottawa: I think giberish chars is the virtual keyboard. |
| 16:38:02 | MarcGuay | is/are? |
| 16:38:16 | sottawa | looked like hex |
| 16:38:23 | sottawa | ok now |
| 16:38:49 | sottawa | request for enhancement on display of FM turner display :) |
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| 16:39:44 | BigBambi | yes, the fm screen is one of the last ones that needs a going over |
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| 16:40:41 | sottawa | cool |
| 16:41:15 | sottawa | btw love the zoom on the jpg files - very cool |
| 16:43:03 | MTee | question please, I have added the arabic character set to a font, what do I do next ? |
| 16:44:05 | MarcGuay | MTee: So you've updated a rockbox font? Upload it to the tracker, me thinks. |
| 16:44:26 | sottawa | wanted to share that bug tracker login seems to have a problem |
| 16:44:36 | MTee | MarcGuay : should I upload the bdf or fnt ? |
| 16:44:45 | sottawa | you login and get a white screen and notthing more |
| 16:44:52 | MarcGuay | sottawa: Yeah flyspray has been buggy for a while now. |
| 16:45:09 | sottawa | where to enter defects in future? |
| 16:45:32 | MarcGuay | MTee: I'm not sure. I believe RB uses the .bdf format, though, no? |
| 16:45:56 | MarcGuay | sottawa: Is the problem with login or signup? |
| 16:45:57 | JdGordon | MTee: yeah, the .bdf |
| 16:46:03 | sottawa | login |
| 16:46:07 | JdGordon | actually a .diff would be better still |
| 16:46:25 | MarcGuay | sottawa: There's a way... Search for a common term and you'll get the main page where you can login. |
| 16:47:32 | MTee | MarcGuay : yes .bdf , but when compiled it's converted to fnt so that's why I asked |
| 16:47:47 | MTee | JdGordon : Thanks, will try now |
| 16:48:54 | sottawa | got it - must be new account prob; worked this time - strange |
| 16:49:03 | sottawa | no worries then |
| 16:49:07 | JdGordon | the .fnt for now is the same for all targets, but its binary and could potentially be different for the different lcd's in the future... the bdf is text |
| 16:49:48 | sottawa | To All, enjoy the rockbox - keep up the good work - thanks |
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| 17:00:59 | MarcGuay | Just to verify before I commit this, charger_inserted() in power-target.c is referring to the USB cable being connected, right? |
| 17:03:54 | JdGordon | if thats how it charges... yes |
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| 17:26:38 | MTee | how/when are the patches confirmed ? |
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| 17:30:02 | bluebrother | MTee: what do you mean by "confirmed"? |
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| 17:32:31 | MTee | bluebrother : I noticed that the status of many patches is "unconfirmed", so what does that mean ? |
| 17:32:57 | bluebrother | nothing. Most additional status fields in the tracker aren't used at all. |
| 17:33:24 | MTee | aha .. ok, thanks. |
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| 17:46:05 | agaffney | the sansa e260 can use a microsd card larger than 2GB in rockbox, right? |
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| 17:46:31 | gevaerts | yes |
| 17:46:56 | agaffney | I'll just have to put files on it with a card reader, since the stock firmware only supports up to 2GB? |
| 17:47:09 | gevaerts | indeed |
| 17:47:17 | agaffney | I'm debating whether to order a 2GB or 4GB microsd card on newegg :P |
| 17:47:27 | agaffney | the internal 4GB went *really* fast |
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| 17:51:09 | agaffney | are there plans to add support for usb charging/syncing for the sansa? |
| 17:51:23 | agaffney | or is it considered "good enough" since that can be done with the stock firmware? |
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| 17:52:14 | gevaerts | There is a mostly working usb stack, but as long as it's only 'mostly', it won't get enabled by default. Charging is a different issue, I'm not sure what the status is there |
| 17:53:53 | MarcGuay | agaffney: Search flyspray for "sansa charging", it's being worked on. |
| 17:54:21 | agaffney | I saw that the other day |
| 17:54:25 | agaffney | saw a patch for it |
| 17:54:37 | agaffney | however, the question still stands for data transfer :) |
| 17:55:06 | MarcGuay | agaffney: That's the one gevaerts answered. :) |
| 17:55:29 | gevaerts | agaffney: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb |
| 17:55:45 | agaffney | ah, didn't see his answer :P |
| 17:56:47 | agaffney | hmm, good to know |
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| 18:12:26 | Xqtftqx | Hey everybody |
| 18:13:30 | Xqtftqx | can somebody help me with building rockbox on a ubuntu box |
| 18:13:59 | Xqtftqx | i cant compile at all |
| 18:14:00 | krazykit | just ask your question |
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| 18:14:24 | Xqtftqx | my question is how do i get it to work? i havent installed any dev tools and im still wondering which ones |
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| 18:14:47 | krazykit | shotofadds, have you read this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
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| 18:18:36 | Xqtftqx | Thats for windows |
| 18:18:40 | Xqtftqx | not for linux |
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| 18:19:48 | krazykit | er, sorry shotofadds, dunno how i screwed that tab-completion up :| |
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| 18:23:37 | xqtftqx | ok its working now |
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| 18:23:51 | xqtftqx | i can do rockboxdev.sh and it will install all the tools? |
| 18:24:09 | mcuelenaere | how do I turn an extracted Rockbox source tarball into a SVN repository? |
| 18:24:48 | krazykit | xqtftqx, yes, assuming you have a toolchain to build the tools. |
| 18:24:55 | xqtftqx | ok |
| 18:25:08 | xqtftqx | oh and one more thing, i cant connect my Gigabeat s to ubuntu |
| 18:25:20 | xqtftqx | i try to open the drive and i get "Unable to mount..." |
| 18:27:19 | xqtftqx | Nevermind i found it in the wiki |
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| 18:28:21 | xqtftqx | wait it doesnt work for me |
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| 18:29:49 | xqtftqx | what are the commands i type? |
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| 18:30:36 | xqtftqx | Unable to open /dev/sdz |
| 18:30:38 | xqtftqx | is what i get |
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| 18:31:39 | krazykit | because it's probably not sdz. it's whatever the device name is. |
| 18:31:55 | xqtftqx | how do i tell the name? |
| 18:32:00 | krazykit | check dmesg |
| 18:32:53 | xqtftqx | [ 184.887167] scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access TOSHIBA MK6008GAH BU01 PQ , whould that be it? |
| 18:34:13 | krazykit | looks like it. there should be a mention of a device name near that line, /dev/sd{something} |
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| 18:34:24 | xqtftqx | hold on |
| 18:34:25 | krazykit | when you mount it, you also need to specify which partition (i don't know which on the S) |
| 18:34:33 | dine-air | meizu m6 will ever be out? |
| 18:35:09 | krazykit | dine-air, ports are written by owners of the device in their free time. there are no timelines for if/when a port will happen |
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| 18:37:34 | xqtftqx | Hmmm krazykit, i cant find anything like that |
| 18:38:43 | xqtftqx | http://pastebin.ca/1052517 |
| 18:39:12 | bluebrother | mcuelenaere: huh? You're talking about a downloaded tarball? |
| 18:39:28 | mcuelenaere | bluebrother: yes, but never mind; I've done "svn checkout" now so.. |
| 18:40:05 | bluebrother | well, you can't do that anyway −− you can either check new files in or grab them from svn. You can't convert a released tarball back. |
| 18:40:23 | krazykit | xqtftqx, the line right below it mentions sdb; it's probably that device. |
| 18:40:45 | xqtftqx | ok, i was looking for "/dev/***" |
| 18:41:35 | xqtftqx | still "unable to open /dev/sdb" |
| 18:42:24 | krazykit | that "unknown partition table" looks bad, but i don't know if it's normal for the S, not having one that works. |
| 18:42:38 | mcuelenaere | bluebrother: ah, I thought there was some kind of command for that.. |
| 18:42:59 | xqtftqx | ok, i can switch to a diffrent computer to connect or just switch into vista thanks for your help |
| 18:45:26 | gevaerts | xqtftqx: you need to fix the bootable flags. The wiki says how somewhere |
| 18:45:34 | xqtftqx | i know |
| 18:45:50 | xqtftqx | im looking at the page, its not very detailed and fdisk cant see the device to fix it |
| 18:46:08 | * | gevaerts seriously doubts that |
| 18:46:17 | xqtftqx | look at that past bin |
| 18:46:28 | xqtftqx | tell me the commands you think because nothing else works |
| 18:46:49 | gevaerts | sudo fdisk /dev/sdb |
| 18:47:13 | xqtftqx | thanks, forgot to run as root |
| 18:48:06 | xqtftqx | it gave a couple errors but i can see and write to the drive fine now |
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| 18:52:20 | xqtftqx | Wow, the drive connects faster to ubuntu then windows |
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| 18:54:26 | xqtftqx | Anybody notice how much longer the battery is in rockbox then the default firmware? |
| 18:54:35 | xqtftqx | for the gigabeat S, sorry forgot to add |
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| 18:56:30 | krazykit | xqtftqx, i would think there are battery benchmarks on the relevant wiki page |
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| 18:57:03 | xqtftqx | Thanks krazykit |
| 18:57:44 | xqtftqx | Although i dont see them |
| 18:57:46 | joep | if you have an idea that will improve the ipod but you dont know how to program is it worth trying to make money off of it |
| 18:58:25 | xqtftqx | joep: what do you mean "make money" |
| 18:58:41 | joep | like try to copy right it and stuff |
| 18:58:52 | joep | or try to sell it to apple |
| 18:59:20 | krazykit | joep, well, that's really not on-topic then, now is it. |
| 18:59:27 | xqtftqx | i see, apple realy doesnt listen to people to much though and this is a rockbox irc not a apple irc |
| 18:59:48 | joep | ya but yall know how to program |
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| 19:00:09 | joep | and my idea would make rox box better to |
| 19:00:15 | krazykit | joep, please read the irc guidelines in the topic. this is an on-topic channel about rockbox. |
| 19:00:36 | krazykit | if you have a suggestion, go ahead and make it |
| 19:01:01 | joep | in this channel or another |
| 19:01:30 | krazykit | well, in this channel if you want to suggest it for improving rockbox. |
| 19:01:49 | joep | well i want their to be a que |
| 19:02:10 | joep | for music like a playlist but temp. |
| 19:02:46 | * | bluebrother doesn't understand a word |
| 19:03:06 | joep | so when your looking for a song you could add it to the que and it would finish playin |
| 19:03:14 | xqtftqx | people do it on there free time, not for a job or anything |
| 19:03:35 | joep | do what |
| 19:03:45 | * | krazykit notes that rockbox already has a queue function |
| 19:03:47 | xqtftqx | nvm my chat window didnt school down |
| 19:03:48 | bluebrother | working on Rockbox. It's a free project. |
| 19:04:05 | joep | yes |
| 19:04:26 | xqtftqx | guys i did the rockboxdev.sh now when i try to compile i get "arm-elf-gcc: Command not found" i chose arm in the rockboxdev.sh |
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| 19:05:09 | bluebrother | xqtftqx: have you adjusted your PATH variable? |
| 19:05:12 | krazykit | joep, http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-650004.4.1 |
| 19:05:23 | xqtftqx | i dont think so |
| 19:05:48 | xqtftqx | nope i didnt, can i uninstall the old one to save space? |
| 19:06:04 | bluebrother | uninstall what old one? You can't uninstall a variable. |
| 19:06:28 | joep | ya thats kinda what im talking about |
| 19:06:29 | xqtftqx | no i already ran rockboxdev |
| 19:06:48 | joep | it can be made simpler than that |
| 19:06:50 | bluebrother | so what? Add the correct path you the PATH variable |
| 19:06:57 | xqtftqx | and re run it? |
| 19:07:14 | xqtftqx | oh wait |
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| 19:07:26 | xqtftqx | the path cariable in which file? |
| 19:07:35 | xqtftqx | variable* |
| 19:08:22 | xqtftqx | sorry i usualy compile in the preinstalled one |
| 19:08:27 | bluebrother | it's an environment variable. You need to set it. |
| 19:08:33 | xqtftqx | where do i set it? |
| 19:09:53 | bluebrother | depends. Usually the bash startup script, if you shell is bash. |
| 19:10:06 | bluebrother | but you can also set it temporarily from the shell itself |
| 19:10:23 | xqtftqx | its bash |
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| 19:10:59 | krazykit | xqtftqx, this is correct for linux, too: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment#Step_4_Add_the_cross_compiler_di |
| 19:11:17 | xqtftqx | Ok thanks krazykit |
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| 19:15:01 | xqtftqx | although wheres the bashrc file |
| 19:15:22 | bluebrother | ~/.bashrc |
| 19:16:17 | xqtftqx | Ok found it |
| 19:16:19 | xqtftqx | thanks |
| 19:18:06 | xqtftqx | ok its sorta working it gives a whole bunch of warnings though |
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| 19:24:26 | xqtftqx | Alright it still completed with no errors |
| 19:24:33 | xqtftqx | but i cant acses the files |
| 19:24:45 | xqtftqx | i get the "locked" emblem and i cant modify |
| 19:25:00 | fml | Hello, Has anything changed regarding the bug that the player hangs about a minute before the end of the playlist? |
| 19:25:40 | gevaerts | xqtftqx: don't compile as root |
| 19:25:59 | xqtftqx | Ok |
| 19:26:30 | xqtftqx | I didnt relize i was root |
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| 19:38:15 | xqtftqx | Got it to work thanks guys |
| 19:38:35 | xqtftqx | andbody know if its possible to rewrite the recovery mode on the gigabeat s? |
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| 19:43:18 | xqtftqx | ok now im getting a error |
| 19:43:29 | xqtftqx | i cant connect rockbox, i get "read only file syste" |
| 19:43:39 | xqtftqx | it didnt copy over rockbox.gigabeat |
| 19:43:42 | xqtftqx | and now i cant edit |
| 19:43:54 | xqtftqx | i cant modife the files* |
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| 20:08:43 | BigBambi | anyone like a two line patch to increase the number of music files the stats plugins counts? http://pastebin.ca/1052548 |
| 20:09:18 | BigBambi | ooops, not that |
| 20:12:13 | BigBambi | http://pastebin.ca/1052551 that |
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| 20:40:10 | xqtftqx | Ok guys, im unable to edit my gigabeat s drive, i can see fine and i edited the partion table as stated on the wiki |
| 20:41:07 | xqtftqx | it says read only file system i can read and edit in other OS's is just linux which has the problem |
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| 21:46:46 | xqtftqx | OK guys, quick question, i want to include the demo midi .pat files by default whenever i build how do i do this? |
| 21:48:05 | Llorean | If they're on the player already, why would you want to copy them over again? |
| 21:49:11 | MarcGuay | Is this the right syntax for the manual if I'm trying to add a second posible keymap? {\ButtonRight{} + Long \ButtonRight{} or \ButtonPower{} + \ButtonRight} |
| 21:49:42 | MarcGuay | There seem to be a lot of "without_combo" button presses missing from the manual... |
| 21:50:03 | MarcGuay | *possible |
| 21:50:53 | xqtftqx | Llorean: because i build a lot and i dont want to keep copying them |
| 21:51:03 | BigBambi | xqtftqx: You don't have to |
| 21:51:14 | BigBambi | unless you delete them they will stay there |
| 21:51:39 | BigBambi | Updating Rockbox just involves overwriting Rockbox files, not deleting other ones |
| 21:52:58 | xqtftqx | i understand i update a diffrent way to test builds, i rename .rockbox and add the new one, i whould like just to be able to delete the old .rockbox and keep my files |
| 21:53:13 | BigBambi | why? |
| 21:53:30 | scorche | if you want to keep them, dont delete them... |
| 21:53:37 | BigBambi | If you want to keep the old one copy it to a new name instead of renaming, and then unzip the new one over the top |
| 21:53:40 | Llorean | You'll need to edit the script for making the .zip, but it's really an awkward way to go about things. |
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| 21:54:14 | xqtftqx | ok, but im just wondering can i do this? |
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| 21:55:07 | krazykit | you CAN, but BigBambi's suggestion is less work. |
| 21:55:09 | BigBambi | xqtftqx: cp -r /mountpoint/.rockbox /mountpoint/.rockbox - old && unzip -o rockbox.zip -d /mountpoint |
| 21:55:30 | BigBambi | with no spaces inbetween rockbox - old of course |
| 21:55:31 | * | Llorean thinks he'd already answered the "can" before it was asked, anyway |
| 21:55:35 | Bagder | or try my little update script => http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/update-rockbox.txt |
| 21:56:25 | BigBambi | that's nice |
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| 21:56:54 | xqtftqx | it is Bagder thanks, although ill be fine... |
| 21:57:10 | Llorean | Bagder: I think an open feature request tracker is still a good idea, but I do agree it doesn't really "work." How would you feel about having a 100% separate tracker, just for feature requests, that's not reviewed? Then, if anything from it gets implemented, they can submit a patch, and if we see anything we like, we can move it to the official feature request one (alongside bugs/patches currently)? |
| 21:57:37 | Llorean | Make it clear the "open" one is just that, wishful thinking, nothing gets rejected, and there are to be no expectations from it. |
| 21:58:04 | BigBambi | I just can't see many people (devs) reading it |
| 21:58:13 | xqtftqx | thats not a bad idea, but i think you guys should review things |
| 21:58:15 | BigBambi | And if they don't it remains it bit pointless |
| 21:58:22 | Llorean | BigBambi: The current one already IS pointless |
| 21:58:26 | Llorean | This way we'd just be making it clear that it is. |
| 21:58:27 | BigBambi | Llorean: I know |
| 21:58:44 | BigBambi | I don't see the point in keeping something and saying it is pointless |
| 21:58:52 | BigBambi | If we say it is pointless, why keep it? |
| 21:58:52 | Llorean | Meanwhile we'd have a clear place for people to voice. Some devs would read it now and then. And it would give us someplace to say "go read through this for ideas" if somebody says "What can I work on?" |
| 21:59:10 | Llorean | Because it's pointless to people who are fixing bugs, or working on their own ideas. |
| 21:59:28 | Llorean | But users want a place to recommend things, and right now it seems they think there's a tacit promise to eventually get to it involved in the current system |
| 21:59:44 | BigBambi | I agree with the criticism of the current one |
| 21:59:52 | xqtftqx | ditto |
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| 22:00:12 | Llorean | But if we don't put something up, they'll just move them to the forums, or the mailing list, and create just as much noise. |
| 22:00:16 | Bagder | I'm not sure such an open one will help |
| 22:00:18 | BigBambi | But if the other one remains pointless (which I think it essentially will), I don't see it as helping - "You can suggest things here but it will be ignored" |
| 22:00:18 | Llorean | There needs to be an outlet for the noise, somewhere. |
| 22:01:11 | Llorean | I didn't say "but it will be ignored." I mean we make it clear that "it is merely wishes, and there is no guarantee that any ideas on this tracker will be seen or responded to by a developer in a timely manner, it is just a place to gather them so that if a developer goes looking, they know where ideas can be found" |
| 22:01:38 | Llorean | The problem, *really* is that developers already active rarely go looking for ideas anyway. |
| 22:01:40 | xqtftqx | i agree |
| 22:01:55 | Llorean | And the clarity kinda needs to come from making it clear "you can suggest, but we aren't really looking most of the time, there's too much else to do" |
| 22:02:28 | BigBambi | Thing is though, it will essentially be ignored whether that is said explicitly or not |
| 22:02:43 | Llorean | Having an open tracker, and a closed feature tracker (where we can move features once they become officially "planned" like viewports was) accomplishes this, I think, without just telling people "Instead of posting to the tracker, post to the mailing list, and remind us every 3 months of your idea until we reject it, then remind us every six months hoping our opinions change" |
| 22:03:17 | BigBambi | I don't object to it, I'm just slightly sceptical as to what it will achieve. I'm happy to be proved wrong however |
| 22:03:17 | Llorean | I just think they need somewhere to go, and having an open tracker at least gives them a path of least resistance settling place. |
| 22:04:40 | xqtftqx | it whould keep the forums, mailing list, etc clean to |
| 22:04:57 | Bagder | not really, as people would need to discuss their entries |
| 22:05:02 | Bagder | about moving them |
| 22:05:09 | Bagder | and similar things |
| 22:05:27 | Llorean | Well any developer can move an entry he or she is actively interested in. |
| 22:05:55 | Bagder | yes, I just meant that users will of course come whining about moving their pet tasks to the dev list |
| 22:06:24 | Llorean | Well the dev list should probably still be open to comments. |
| 22:06:24 | Bagder | and rightly so, if we haven't noticed a goodie etc |
| 22:06:30 | Llorean | Oh, right |
| 22:06:38 | Llorean | Well yeah, but they've got to call attention to them somehow |
| 22:06:50 | xqtftqx | maybe like a poll? like "blah blah devolpers believe this is a project worth working on" and lower the number of devs thinking its a good idea the lower it goes down |
| 22:06:56 | Llorean | I mean, how is saying "Have you noticed this task?" any different from posting to the ML saying "I had this great idea!"? |
| 22:07:23 | Llorean | xqtftqx: How many people think it's good is worth a LOT less than how many people actually plan to do it |
| 22:07:26 | MarcGuay | I think I'm losing my mind. I know that ACTION_WPS_ABSETB_NEXTDIR can be triggered by a Short-Right + Long-Right but I can't find it in the keymap. Grr... |
| 22:07:52 | BigBambi | xqtftqx: If a dev wants to work on something, they generally will |
| 22:08:10 | BigBambi | And discuss it in here to see if there are any objections of they aren't sure |
| 22:08:15 | BigBambi | They don't need votes as such |
| 22:08:31 | Llorean | I just think removing the open tracker will generally just result in a lot more noise in the other channels that will get, mostly, just as ignored. |
| 22:08:36 | xqtftqx | but it whould give a better wish list with things wanted more at the top and things wanted less at the bottom |
| 22:08:44 | BigBambi | wanted by whom? |
| 22:08:55 | BigBambi | devs work on what they want |
| 22:09:02 | Llorean | xqtftqx: It doesn't matter how wanted something is, though. Viewports has been really wanted for a long time, and still took forever to get started. |
| 22:09:20 | Llorean | The only thing that really matters is a form of consensus that something is unwanted, and that just means a rejection anyway |
| 22:09:28 | xqtftqx | but as you said above its a wish list not a "upcoming feature" list |
| 22:09:47 | Llorean | Just because it's a wish list doesn't mean it matters how many people want it. |
| 22:10:23 | Llorean | A feature that one person wants, is trivial to implement, and will literally have zero performance impact is more likely than a feature thousands want but isn't wanted by the core devs, or perhaps is wanted by them but requires a rewrite of the playback code. |
| 22:10:42 | xqtftqx | correct me if im wrong, but some devs want to make rockbox better for other people rather then themselves, this whould give them a idea on what people want |
| 22:11:27 | krazykit | one might argue that a dev making rockbox better for him/herself IS better for other people |
| 22:11:33 | Llorean | Even then, it still doesn't matter how many people VOTE on it. |
| 22:11:51 | Llorean | All that means is stupid ideas lots of people like crowd the top, while clever ideas that most people don't understand get hidden pages back |
| 22:12:01 | Llorean | It creates a hierarchy based on "which thing sounds coolest" |
| 22:12:29 | xqtftqx | i guess your right |
| 22:12:51 | xqtftqx | and it whould cause things like people wanting technicly impossible things |
| 22:13:09 | BigBambi | xqtftq/me wants Rockbox to brew beer! |
| 22:13:21 | BigBambi | -xqtftq :) |
| 22:13:30 | xqtftqx | lol, i saw somebody asking for a psx emulator |
| 22:13:32 | * | krazykit votes that up :) |
| 22:14:51 | bluebroth3r | Llorean: small wish for the forums: could it display *this* as bold and _that_ as underlined? |
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| 22:15:26 | xqtftqx | does it not? |
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| 22:16:29 | Llorean | bluebrother: I'm sure it could be made to, but I don't believe there's any builtin functionality for that at least. |
| 22:16:37 | Llorean | It would be nice. |
| 22:17:08 | xqtftqx | what does it display it as? |
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| 22:17:33 | Llorean | *this* and _that_ |
| 22:17:41 | bluebrother | it displays as you type |
| 22:17:48 | xqtftqx | ok..? |
| 22:20:53 | bluebrother | xqtftqx: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/this-that.jpg |
| 22:21:34 | xqtftqx | I still dont understand... |
| 22:22:19 | bluebrother | check my first *this* and look how it looks. The forums simply display it. My IRC client boldens it. |
| 22:22:42 | xqtftqx | oh, so the forum doesnt show bold? |
| 22:22:50 | bluebrother | no. |
| 22:22:52 | BigBambi | not by using *word* no |
| 22:22:59 | BigBambi | You can make it bold by other means |
| 22:23:05 | bluebrother | you need to add the proper tags. *this* doesn't work |
| 22:23:44 | xqtftqx | so you can do 2 *'s to make it bold in the irc but not the forum *test* |
| 22:23:47 | bluebrother | but *this* is something some people (like me, for example) like using as its much faster. For example, OpenOffice can detect and replace *this* |
| 22:23:58 | xqtftqx | alright i get it now |
| 22:24:19 | bluebrother | it's also quite nice for email −− you can write *bold* without the need of sending HTML crap. |
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| 22:24:40 | xqtftqx | oh cool |
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| 22:45:54 | xqtftqx | Hey you guys, im having trouble testing the InfoNES patch |
| 22:46:08 | xqtftqx | it doesnt load or anything, theres no .rock |
| 22:46:24 | xqtftqx | Ive added keymaps for the S but i cant find anything else |
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| 22:48:58 | jayde_drag0n | hey if anyone is actually here i need some assistance... i run the ipodpatcher.. and it can't find my ipod.. even tho its clearly mounted and i have the proper permissions |
| 22:49:31 | jayde_drag0n | i tried to find help before.. and all i got was....... silence |
| 22:49:49 | advcomp2019 | what ipod? |
| 22:50:07 | jayde_drag0n | 5th gen i think? 80GB Black and plays video |
| 22:50:30 | advcomp2019 | you sure it is not a 6th gen? |
| 22:50:52 | xqtftqx | jayde_drag0n: if you trust me i can remote controll your computer and take a look |
| 22:50:57 | jayde_drag0n | mabye it is.. i have no idea.. do i have to run things differently? |
| 22:51:14 | saratoga | you need to check google and figure out what ipod you have |
| 22:51:21 | advcomp2019 | you cant run rockbox on a 6th gen |
| 22:51:25 | jayde_drag0n | xqtftqx: i don't mind.. theres nothing on my computer you can't see.. but you'll have to walk me thru the steps so you can |
| 22:51:50 | xqtftqx | Ok, its very easy, ill brb i need to switch over into windows |
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| 22:51:58 | jayde_drag0n | okay |
| 22:53:14 | BigBambi | jayde_drag0n: I would check exactly what ipod you have first |
| 22:53:17 | jayde_drag0n | i wanted to switch to this a while ago.. and gave up for lack of help.. but now.. i tried to delete some songs on my ipod.. and tho it says in settings that the stuff is there...the directories are empty |
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| 22:53:37 | BigBambi | jayde_drag0n: Before letting someone you have never met onto your computr |
| 22:53:42 | jayde_drag0n | ie the dreaded "no music" eventho rythmbox sees everything |
| 22:53:46 | bluebrother | jayde_drag0n: check this page: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 |
| 22:54:09 | jayde_drag0n | bluebrother: WHAT IS APPLE GOING TO DO FOR ME.. I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A WINDOWS BOX |
| 22:54:14 | jayde_drag0n | er sorry caps lock |
| 22:54:25 | BigBambi | jayde_drag0n: It will tell you which ipod you have |
| 22:54:33 | jayde_drag0n | oh lol k |
| 22:54:55 | BigBambi | The 80 GB comes in both 5.5 and 6th generation. Rockbox only works on the former |
| 22:55:00 | bluebrother | well, as the links suggests it's a knowledge base (KB) entry |
| 22:55:07 | jayde_drag0n | " iPod classic (80 GB or 160 GB) 2007-09 Click Wheel 80 GB or 160 GB 1.1.2" |
| 22:55:16 | BigBambi | So you have a classic? |
| 22:55:21 | bluebrother | that is even linked from the IpodFAQ |
| 22:55:25 | Bagder | classic == 6th gen |
| 22:55:26 | BigBambi | In which case, Rockbox won't run on it |
| 22:55:30 | bluebrother | scroll down or click the "ipod classic" link |
| 22:55:38 | bluebrother | "The iPod classic is available in silver and black, and has an anodized aluminum and polished stainless steel enclosure." |
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| 22:55:57 | bluebrother | and "You can distinguish the iPod classic from the iPod (5th generation) by the last three digits of the serial number. The iPod classic serial number's last three digits will be one of the following: Y5N, YMU, YMV, and YMX." |
| 22:56:05 | bluebrother | so please check the serial |
| 22:56:06 | Xqtftqx | It was a 6th gen? |
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| 22:56:51 | jayde_drag0n | YMV |
| 22:56:56 | Xqtftqx | jayde_drag0n: do you still want me to connect? |
| 22:57:08 | jayde_drag0n | hang on |
| 22:57:22 | BigBambi | jayde_drag0n: therefore it is a classic (also called 6th gen) and Rockbox will not work |
| 22:57:22 | Xqtftqx | alright |
| 22:57:24 | Bagder | with a classic that's pointless |
| 22:57:34 | saratoga | who would ever have imagined that looking at two pictures and seeing which one matches an ipod was so difficult |
| 22:57:54 | BigBambi | saratoga: or even easier, the last digits of a serial number :) |
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| 23:00:15 | jayde_drag0n | from what i'm hearing.. i'm just screwed.. no windows so i can't format it.. and noone anywhere has an answer for me to get ipod to show my music again.. and no workaround with rockbox |
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| 23:02:24 | xqtftqx | jayde_drag0n: did you try just connecting to itunes |
| 23:04:04 | BigBambi | That is off topic |
| 23:04:47 | xqtftqx | i know, sorry, i cant watch somebody have a problem like that without wanting to help |
| 23:04:58 | BigBambi | If you know, please do not do it |
| 23:06:13 | Bagder | DevConEuro2008: 5 days + 18h : 53m : 55s |
| 23:06:18 | Bagder | yay |
| 23:06:58 | xqtftqx | alright, but can somebody help me, http://pastebin.ca/1052645 take a look at that and can somebody tell me whats wrong, i changed the key maps and changed the gigabeat to the gigabeat s, and under rockbox i get nothin |
| 23:07:07 | xqtftqx | no .rock and it wont load anything |
| 23:07:17 | xqtftqx | Its for the InfoNES patch btw |
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| 23:12:16 | saratoga | xqtftqx: the patch failed, so you'll need to look at the hunk that failed and figure out why |
| 23:12:31 | xqtftqx | i got the viewer one to work |
| 23:14:07 | xqtftqx | patch: **** malformed patch at line 30115: /* For all targets */ , does that mean i failed? |
| 23:14:34 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:14:36 | bluebrother | can I list all revisions that have been committed to a directory (maybe with viewvc)? |
| 23:16:24 | Bagder | just svn log in that dir |
| 23:16:40 | Bagder | it'll show subdirs too |
| 23:19:28 | xqtftqx | how do i do "svn revert" i get "Not enough arguments provided" |
| 23:19:40 | BigBambi | svn revert -R . |
| 23:19:45 | BigBambi | in the base directory |
| 23:19:46 | xqtftqx | thanks |
| 23:19:51 | BigBambi | don't forget the full stop |
| 23:20:02 | Bagder | or svn revert [file] |
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| 23:20:12 | Bagder | if you only want to revert a specific file |
| 23:20:18 | BigBambi | xqtftqx: yes, what I gave you will do everything |
| 23:20:21 | xqtftqx | i want to revert the plugins dir |
| 23:20:38 | BigBambi | svn revert -R ./apps/plugins |
| 23:20:45 | BigBambi | from in the rockbox folder |
| 23:22:01 | xqtftqx | can i restore the whole rockbox source to default? |
| 23:22:27 | Bagder | note that revert only reverts what svn knows about though |
| 23:22:34 | BigBambi | yes, using the first example I gave you |
| 23:22:41 | Bagder | and many patches add additional stuff that thus will remain |
| 23:22:51 | xqtftqx | i messed mine up |
| 23:23:10 | BigBambi | xqtftqx: svn status will give you a list of changed/new/etc files |
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| 23:23:35 | xqtftqx | Im just gonna delete it and re download it |
| 23:24:16 | BigBambi | looking at the help, it seems svn cleanup might be useful for you |
| 23:24:20 | Bagder | "svn st -q" is what i do a lot |
| 23:24:31 | xqtftqx | what does that do? |
| 23:24:43 | Bagder | shows status |
| 23:25:03 | BigBambi | xqtftqx: svn help is a useful command... :) |
| 23:25:20 | xqtftqx | lol, sorry |
| 23:27:51 | xqtftqx | Anybody have any patch recomendations before i build this? |
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| 23:30:17 | xqtftqx | anybody? |
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| 23:36:26 | bluebrother | "patch recommendations"? |
| 23:37:03 | xqtftqx | any patchs i should add to this build |
| 23:37:14 | xqtftqx | patches* |
| 23:38:00 | saratoga | we don't recommend any patches be added |
| 23:38:08 | saratoga | if we did they've be in SVN |
| 23:38:20 | xqtftqx | Ok... |
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| 23:40:00 | fml | Hello. What was the number (in the FS) of the bug about hanging at the end of the playlist? |
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| 23:41:48 | fml | I searched FS but didn't find anything useful. I've experienced this bug today. |
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| 23:45:38 | Mikachu | Bagder: hi, i don't remember if it's you who handles the dns stuff, but i lost my ath.cx domain, so could you (or the right person) change it cname for mikachu.rockbox.org to mika.l3ib.org? |
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| 23:48:54 | bertrik | fml: I was trying to look for it in the tracker, but can't find it either |
| 23:52:14 | Jaybre | Hi, I'm not sure whether the Cowon d2 is considered "supported" yet (if ever), but does here know how to build the necessary environment for it to run? |
| 23:52:37 | Jaybre | By the way, I understand that it is still not close to being fully functional |
| 23:52:51 | saratoga | check the for developers section in the wiki |
| 23:53:07 | fml | bertrik: I hope Nico_P & Co. work on it since it's a very ugly bug for such a nice software. And it's a shame that it's there since playback is the main function of RB. |
| 23:53:08 | Jaybre | Okay, thank you |
| 23:53:10 | saratoga | ah here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 23:53:20 | Jaybre | Thanks |
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| 23:58:35 | bertrik | fml: I've never experienced something like a hang at the end of the playlist, but if you can reproduce it and there's no flyspray entry for it already, I think you should open one and add a clear description of the problem (and a reproduction recipe if possible) |
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