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| 02:33:16 | Davide-NYC | Hello all. How goes it? |
| 02:33:32 | Mikachu | you really want everyone in here to respond? :) |
| 02:33:36 | Davide-NYC | I was wondering what the GigabeatS status is? |
| 02:34:14 | * | Davide-NYC the dry heat is killer in here/ |
| 02:34:33 | Davide-NYC | To clarify: Is the wiki up to date? |
| 02:37:57 | Davide-NYC | And what exactly is missing before the gigabeatS can be considered a supported target. |
| 02:39:14 | JdGordon | an idiot proof installer... |
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| 02:41:06 | Davide-NYC | JdGordon: really? that's it? I'm suspicious. If that is the case I'm going to attempt the install tonight |
| 02:41:29 | JdGordon | i dont know what else is missing... but im pretty sure thats one big thing |
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| 02:46:56 | Davide-NYC | of course, the current install is a little difficult. I was just wondering what else the devs thought was missing. A dual-boot option would be cool. I find the OF to be one of the least crap on the GBS. |
| 02:47:17 | Davide-NYC | especially comapred to the GBFX OF. |
| 02:47:25 | Davide-NYC | *compared |
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| 02:53:38 | MU{lappy} | i actually kind of miss the multiple now-playing screens feature of the OF. aside from being MTP-only, the GBS OF is pretty non-crap IMO. oh, and no gapless, vorbis, aac, i'm sure i could list more. ;) |
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| 03:14:25 | Davide-NYC | OK, question about current state of Rockbox on GigabeatS: in the wiki it ssays "NOTE: The battery will not charge when connected in Bootloader USB Mode." but the battery will charge if I simply plug in the charger correct? |
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| 03:15:11 | Davide-NYC | I presume so otherwise we'd need some sort of functioning dual-boot scenario. Or am I missing somethign obvious. |
| 03:15:18 | Davide-NYC | *something |
| 03:15:58 | JdGordon | iirc it sowaftre charges... so no... it wont charge unless its "on" |
| 03:16:08 | JdGordon | best to wait for jhMikeS or someone though |
| 03:17:05 | Davide-NYC | Oh I see, iy will not charge in bootloader disk mode but will charge if in rockbox USB disk mode or in rockbox player mode |
| 03:17:24 | * | Davide-NYC why is my typing even worse than usual today? |
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| 03:38:17 | Davide-NYC | having never built a bootloader before I have the following question: should I build the GBS bootloader in it's own directory? |
| 03:39:23 | Davide-NYC | Or should I just use the Rockbox Gigabeat S bootloader built from SVN r17497 that is provided on the wiki? |
| 03:39:59 | JdGordon | use the one on the wiki.... |
| 03:41:42 | JdGordon | thats always the safest answer |
| 03:41:58 | Davide-NYC | JdGordon: can you explain the bootloader.bin file that is provided in the zip? |
| 03:42:16 | JdGordon | no, I dont know anything about the beast |
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| 03:42:30 | Davide-NYC | thanks for your help thus far. |
| 03:42:34 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: ping |
| 03:43:49 | JdGordon | dont you have to remove the hard disk to install rockbox on it? |
| 03:46:27 | Davide-NYC | JdGordon: wait, really? what makes you say that? |
| 03:46:57 | JdGordon | i seem to remember something along those lines |
| 03:47:08 | Davide-NYC | I hope you are mistaken |
| 03:47:42 | Davide-NYC | otherwise I'm going to have to do something else with my evening |
| 03:48:35 | JdGordon | wanna help make sure all the supplied .wps work with the conditional viewport patch? |
| 03:49:37 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: yo |
| 03:49:52 | Davide-NYC | JdGordon: maybe explain what it entails exactly |
| 03:50:09 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: hey, I'm attempting a Gigabeast install and there is some confusion |
| 03:50:19 | Davide-NYC | can you help or is it a bad time? |
| 03:50:22 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 03:50:24 | jhMikeS | it's fine |
| 03:50:43 | Davide-NYC | OK, is there any reason I should have to remove the HDD (i use windows) |
| 03:51:00 | jhMikeS | for an S install? no way. |
| 03:51:16 | JdGordon | did you used to need to remove the disk? |
| 03:51:17 | Davide-NYC | 2: should I compile my own bootlader or should I use the one provided on the wiki? |
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| 03:51:23 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: never |
| 03:51:31 | Davide-NYC | *bootloader |
| 03:51:57 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: there's no safety issue with that so you can use whatever version. |
| 03:52:26 | JdGordon | hmm... ok |
| 03:52:29 | jhMikeS | if it doesn't work, you just use a different one, recover if necessary |
| 03:52:51 | Davide-NYC | OK. 2b: having never compiled a BL, should I use a separate build directory or is there some reason the bootloader should be compiled in the build directory |
| 03:53:10 | Davide-NYC | *separate bootloader directory |
| 03:53:20 | * | Davide-NYC damn my typing is aweful! |
| 03:53:31 | jhMikeS | I usually do rockbox/builds/gigabeat-s-b/n/d etc. and configure independently |
| 03:54:07 | Davide-NYC | so bootloader, normal and debug? |
| 03:54:13 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 03:54:36 | Davide-NYC | 3: can you explain the mknkboot procedure for dual-booting? |
| 03:54:51 | Davide-NYC | I'm looking at the readme file and am very curious |
| 03:56:27 | jhMikeS | mknkboot nk.bin bootloader/bootloader.bin nk-rb.bin, nk.bin=original firmware, bootloade.bin=the bootloader raw binary, nk-rb.bin=combined binary |
| 03:57:16 | jhMikeS | 'nk-rb.bin' should be renamed 'nk.bin' before copying it to the device of course |
| 03:57:57 | Davide-NYC | so if I use the renamed nk-rb.bin instead of the provided nk.bin what do I get? I mean what behavior can I expect? |
| 03:58:24 | jhMikeS | provided? |
| 03:58:55 | jhMikeS | using the combined one just boots OF when the hold switch is on otherwise rockbox |
| 03:59:21 | Davide-NYC | cool |
| 03:59:33 | jhMikeS | the nk.bin from the 'make' command is just plain rockbox |
| 03:59:52 | Davide-NYC | right. I'm clear on the bootloaders. |
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| 04:00:14 | Davide-NYC | Question 4: can I fix my Gigabeat's partition table using cygwin? |
| 04:00:52 | jhMikeS | you only need to fix that if using linux in which case I don't know the procedure |
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| 04:01:39 | Davide-NYC | the procedure for linux is in the wiki. So you're saying I do not need to worry about the boot flag as windows is indifferent to it? |
| 04:01:52 | jhMikeS | you might actually want to force recovery mode first otherwise you may have to do it later if the bootloader doesn't find rockbox.gigabeat |
| 04:02:05 | jhMikeS | yup |
| 04:02:28 | Davide-NYC | please tell me how to get into recovery mode |
| 04:02:32 | Davide-NYC | (not in wiki) |
| 04:02:47 | jhMikeS | it sure is :) |
| 04:03:20 | Davide-NYC | ah, on the other page. I'm looking at the GigabeatSInstallation page |
| 04:03:22 | jhMikeS | while booting from poweroff: hold window+cross-left |
| 04:04:22 | Davide-NYC | oh man, all kinds of info on the GigabeatSInfo page. These pages should be combined or cleaned up. |
| 04:07:11 | jhMikeS | 'tis a wiki ;) |
| 04:07:47 | Davide-NYC | I'm not touching those pages until I'm well into a week with a working RB install on my beast. |
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| 04:10:18 | MU{lappy} | it works fine, aside from the charging issue. and being touchy about first install sometimes. |
| 04:10:42 | MU{lappy} | syncing vs WMP fixes that for me, so if you're using windows, you'll hopefully never have that problem |
| 04:16:22 | jhMikeS | the charging issue should be a non-issue soon. some hardware verification was needed as well as the fact that the increased current settings seem to have paradoxical results |
| 04:29:01 | Davide-NYC | question 5: can I use sendfirm in cygwin or should I use the batch file and the modified gigabeatV updater? |
| 04:30:25 | Davide-NYC | note that there are conflicting instructions across the two wiki pages that baffle somewhat |
| 04:30:35 | jhMikeS | there's a windows version of sendfirm I made but it sucks to use because of the fact you need lib-USB junk installed first |
| 04:31:39 | wastrel | i keep losing my sansa cable |
| 04:34:47 | scorche|sh | and what does that have to do with rockbox? |
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| 05:08:32 | Davide-NYC | just wanted to announce that I have Rockbox running on my Gigabeat S thanks to jhMikeS 's help! |
| 05:08:39 | Davide-NYC | w00t \o/ |
| 05:08:39 | wastrel | h00t |
| 05:08:49 | wastrel | play some jewels |
| 05:08:55 | wastrel | i like that one and bubbles. |
| 05:09:22 | Davide-NYC | I mod my SOURCES file to exclude all games |
| 05:09:25 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 05:12:01 | Davide-NYC | JdGordon: what did you need? |
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| 05:16:29 | Davide-NYC | Button mapping are funky on the GBS. What to do with all of these buttons!? |
| 05:20:25 | JdGordon | Davide-NYC: patch with fs#9027 and try out the themes and make sure the wps look alright |
| 05:21:09 | Davide-NYC | watch out! the rockbox default theme corrupts the display something aweful |
| 05:21:23 | Davide-NYC | JdGordon: is this target specific? |
| 05:21:40 | JdGordon | no, all targets need testing |
| 05:22:29 | Davide-NYC | can I do it in the sim> |
| 05:22:37 | Davide-NYC | 'cause I only have 3 targets |
| 05:24:30 | JdGordon | yes |
| 05:24:35 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: say what? I never get corrupt anything? |
| 05:24:41 | JdGordon | arg, found the bug i've been chasing for a while :) |
| 05:24:42 | jhMikeS | s/?/!/ |
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| 05:25:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: Ahoy there! |
| 05:25:40 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: easy man. If you go into settings−−>theme settings−−> Browse Themes−−>Rockbox Default |
| 05:25:46 | Davide-NYC | LambdaCalculus37: oi |
| 05:25:53 | jhMikeS | The old default? |
| 05:25:57 | Davide-NYC | yes |
| 05:26:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: How goes with your beast? :) |
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| 05:26:28 | jhMikeS | hrm... |
| 05:26:30 | Davide-NYC | if you select the wps in the file browser it loads, but the whole theme is broken |
| 05:26:48 | Davide-NYC | LambdaCalculus37: as of 5 minutes ago it goes! |
| 05:26:57 | jhMikeS | I see icons but the fonts are scrambled |
| 05:27:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Let me see on mine. |
| 05:27:16 | Davide-NYC | correct |
| 05:27:33 | Davide-NYC | the icons are there but all else is 'psychedelic' |
| 05:27:53 | Davide-NYC | .me I'm sure it says something... I'm just not 'open' enough to read it |
| 05:27:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | Weird... works fine on mine. |
| 05:28:05 | Davide-NYC | if you switch from the theme menu? |
| 05:28:10 | jhMikeS | hehe...it only happens when switching to it from cabbie2 but not from iCatcher |
| 05:28:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yeah. |
| 05:28:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Strange, it still works here, even when switching from cabbie2. |
| 05:29:13 | jhMikeS | I think that happens if the theme doesn't specify a font or something |
| 05:29:21 | Davide-NYC | how do I get out of this? |
| 05:29:29 | Davide-NYC | 8) |
| 05:29:42 | jhMikeS | just click right twice to pick the first ones in the list |
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| 05:31:00 | Davide-NYC | whew! |
| 05:31:20 | luxun | helldragon nice nick |
| 05:32:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | luxun: Hi. Please type /topic and read what you see, please. |
| 05:32:14 | Davide-NYC | JdGordon: so which version of the patch am I testing? |
| 05:32:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: Got it back to normal? |
| 05:32:32 | Davide-NYC | yes |
| 05:32:32 | luxun | i see my dick inside your mom's vagina |
| 05:32:39 | luxun | maybe its upside down |
| 05:32:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | luxun: I beg your pardon? |
| 05:32:51 | * | Davide-NYC hugs the ignore switch |
| 05:33:13 | luxun | i do not give pardons to niggers |
| 05:33:37 | luxun | lisp tard |
| 05:33:39 | luxun | epic fail |
| 05:34:29 | luxun | lisp sux! |
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| 05:36:23 | lullideath | what lisp are you talking about?? the programming language? |
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| 05:39:15 | Davide-NYC | LambdaCalculus37: when you installed RB on your GBS, did you use Lib-USB or did you use the patched gigabeat updater? |
| 05:39:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: Actually, I compiled the bootloader from SVN, and used mknkboot to combine it with an original nk.bin. |
| 05:40:21 | scorche|sh | luxun: that wont happen again |
| 05:40:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | You can also use the sendfirm tool in utils/MTP. |
| 05:41:12 | luxun | what my dick in your ass? maybe i like yer ass |
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| 05:41:42 | luxun | as long as you're not wearing rapex |
| 05:41:46 | * | jhMikeS hands scorche an extra boot |
| 05:41:47 | luxun | i see no problem... |
| 05:42:00 | Mode | "#rockbox +o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 05:42:01 | Davide-NYC | what I'm getting at is that there are two wiki pages with different install instructions and I'm thinking that the install instructions need to be removed from the info page and the install page need a clean-up |
| 05:42:02 | * | LambdaCalculus37 hands scorche a cricket bat |
| 05:42:05 | Mode | "#rockbox +b *!*i=luxun@gateway/tor/x-7cc3564068fbd0bf " by scorche|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 05:42:06 | Kick | (#rockbox luxun :scorche|sh) by scorche|sh!n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche |
| 05:42:26 | scorche|sh | hrm... |
| 05:42:34 | * | Davide-NYC hands scorche whatever he needs in order to make that as permanent as possible |
| 05:42:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: You're running Windows, right? So I'm going to figure you've got Cygwin as well. |
| 05:42:50 | Davide-NYC | yup |
| 05:43:21 | Mode | "#rockbox -b+b *!*i=luxun@gateway/tor/x-7cc3564068fbd0bf *!*=luxun@gateway/tor* " by scorche|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 05:43:24 | scorche|sh | thats a bit better |
| 05:43:26 | * | jhMikeS sees lisp is pretty messy but that should be taken up with Ron Rivest |
| 05:43:35 | Mode | "#rockbox -o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 05:43:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Lisp has no place here. ;) |
| 05:43:57 | * | LambdaCalculus37 switches to Windows mode for a moment to help Davide-NYC |
| 05:44:10 | Davide-NYC | I have RB running on the GBS just fine now. No help needed. :) |
| 05:44:22 | Davide-NYC | I'm talking about cleaning up the wiki |
| 05:44:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ahh. :) |
| 05:44:28 | * | LambdaCalculus37 goes back to Linux mode |
| 05:44:31 | Davide-NYC | LOL |
| 05:44:39 | Davide-NYC | One day I will join the ranks |
| 05:44:46 | lullideath | fuck Windows |
| 05:44:53 | * | Davide-NYC sighs |
| 05:45:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | lullideath: Oi! Keep it on topic! |
| 05:45:40 | scorche|sh | lullideath: that isnt needed |
| 05:45:52 | lullideath | i don't know you guys... o_o are you all new here?? |
| 05:46:08 | scorche|sh | are you looking to follow luxun's example? |
| 05:46:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Or are you going to behave? |
| 05:46:48 | lullideath | i haven't been here for a week or so |
| 05:47:14 | Davide-NYC | so Lambda, we have GigabeatSInfo and GigabeatSInstallation. In my opinion we should extract all installation information from info and putu it all in installation. Then clean up and possibly unify the procedure |
| 05:47:35 | Davide-NYC | *put |
| 05:48:03 | Davide-NYC | Currently it's hella confusing |
| 05:48:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: Yes, agreed. There is some installation discussion on GigabeatSInfo that should really go into GigabeatSInstallation. |
| 05:48:31 | Davide-NYC | OK, I'm going to tackle it tomorrow unless someone beats me to it ;-) |
| 05:48:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | So merging all install info onto the one page is best. And GigabeatSInfo can be used as a hardware info page. |
| 05:48:48 | Davide-NYC | exactly |
| 05:49:06 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: Perhaps instructions with pictures for using the windows sendfirm? :) |
| 05:49:11 | * | LambdaCalculus37 will let Davide-NYC have some wiki editing fun, then |
| 05:49:15 | Davide-NYC | step two is to create a clearer install procedure |
| 05:49:16 | lullideath | damn, i am so sorry, i shouldn't be here!!!!! |
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| 05:49:25 | * | Davide-NYC urghh |
| 05:49:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: Hey, jhMikeS has a good idea! |
| 05:49:37 | Davide-NYC | will do this tomorrow |
| 05:49:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | Why not get a couple of screencaps? |
| 05:49:44 | Davide-NYC | will do |
| 05:49:51 | Davide-NYC | but tomorrow |
| 05:49:53 | Davide-NYC | good noght |
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| 05:51:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hope Davide-NYC saves some wiki editing for me... ;) |
| 05:51:34 | jhMikeS | should I put up the windows sendfirm? I'm not sure what should be provided re: the libUSB drivers in there. hmmm. |
| 05:51:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | That's a toughie... |
| 05:52:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | On the one hand, the Windows crowd will have it easier to install Rockbox on their beasts... |
| 05:52:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | On the other hand... |
| 05:52:52 | * | LambdaCalculus37 looks at his other hand |
| 05:52:57 | jhMikeS | The source for that is rather a messed-up jumble since libMTP was butchered a bit to make it work |
| 05:54:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm sure some brave soul could help fix it. |
| 05:55:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | Oh yes... still have to fix the last bit of LCD corruption for 4G iPod colors. |
| 05:57:08 | jhMikeS | IIRC linuxstb was doing a native windows MTP version...wonder what happened to that... |
| 05:57:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | Gotta pester him about it, I guess. :) |
| 05:58:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Anyway, I did fix two out of three issues with the 4G iPod color LCD corruptions. |
| 05:58:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | The last one is fixing Mpegplayer so that colors are displayed correctly. |
| 05:59:18 | * | jhMikeS has no idea what those are |
| 05:59:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Whole thing started here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17158.0 |
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| 06:00:04 | * | LambdaCalculus37 yawns |
| 06:00:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think I'll handle some more bug hunting later. Night, all! |
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| 07:24:59 | agaffney | I encountered a weird issue earlier |
| 07:25:12 | agaffney | my sansa was playing the song that it said was next |
| 07:25:20 | agaffney | and it kept doing that when I went to the next song |
| 07:25:36 | agaffney | but it seems to have fixed itself when the song ended naturally |
| 07:25:48 | agaffney | I couldn't play with it much as I was driving at the time :P |
| 07:26:33 | agaffney | this is with a build from r17732 |
| 07:27:12 | agaffney | anyone know if that's a known issue? |
| 07:28:24 | MarcGuay | I haven't seen anything in the tracker. Can you think of what caused it to get into that state? |
| 07:28:34 | agaffney | nope |
| 07:28:46 | agaffney | I turned it on, hit play, and hit next a few times |
| 07:28:55 | agaffney | I don't recall if it was in that state to begin with |
| 07:29:14 | MarcGuay | I seem to remember a problem a while back with the playlist getting out of sync with the playback... |
| 07:29:50 | agaffney | my wife was in the car changing songs |
| 07:29:56 | agaffney | so I don't know exactly what she did |
| 07:30:07 | agaffney | she might have hit the next button twice really fast or something |
| 07:30:56 | agaffney | well, that's odd |
| 07:31:06 | agaffney | now it's not showing anything under "Next song" |
| 07:31:13 | agaffney | or it shows something briefly and then disappears |
| 07:31:27 | MarcGuay | I guess if it happens again (and you're not driving :)) see if you can reproduce it... Okay.. |
| 07:31:43 | agaffney | indeed |
| 07:31:44 | MarcGuay | I figure I typed it already, wasn't going to delete all that. |
| 07:31:49 | agaffney | heh |
| 07:32:41 | MarcGuay | Using cabbiev2? |
| 07:33:11 | agaffney | cabbie<something> |
| 07:33:34 | agaffney | it's the only theme that looks presentable :P |
| 07:34:23 | MarcGuay | Have you rebooted and tried to get it to happen again? |
| 07:39:22 | MarcGuay | Do you have both Shuffle and Auto-Change Directory on? |
| 07:39:29 | agaffney | shuffle is on |
| 07:39:33 | agaffney | not sure about auto-change directory |
| 07:39:45 | agaffney | it's charging now, so it's in the stock firmware |
| 07:40:24 | MarcGuay | Settings->Playback-Auto-Change Directory. Check it out, I just experienced some weirdness similar to what you're describing with both of those settings on. |
| 07:40:40 | MarcGuay | When you have time, of course. I'm off for the eve.... |
| 07:41:59 | agaffney | 'night |
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| 09:44:56 | karl | i've got a 30gig ipod and just installed rockbox on it with bootloader and all. Now it just sits at the boot screen with an Apple and continuously reboots. Any ideas? |
| 09:47:09 | JdGordon | did you put the 32mb build on? or the 64mb one? |
| 09:47:27 | karl | 32 |
| 09:47:49 | karl | 32 bit binary |
| 09:47:54 | karl | i used for the bootloader |
| 09:47:59 | karl | i used the 30gb rockbox image |
| 09:48:53 | JdGordon | not 32bit... 32mb RAM version... |
| 09:49:45 | JdGordon | ah dont worry... its the 60/80 one which has a 64mb version... |
| 09:49:47 | karl | i go to build.rockbox.org and only see one link for 30gb lipod |
| 09:50:09 | JdGordon | is it still connected to usb? |
| 09:50:19 | karl | i disconnected it and reconnected it |
| 09:50:22 | karl | did the same thing |
| 09:50:32 | karl | put it in disk mode, which is where i'm at now |
| 09:51:22 | JdGordon | disconnect and do a menu+select reset? |
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| 09:51:38 | karl | tried that and it didn't do anything |
| 09:51:48 | * | JdGordon out of ideas... |
| 09:51:55 | karl | i'm just going to try doing it again |
| 09:51:58 | JdGordon | Llorean: help him out? |
| 09:52:18 | karl | does it have to be unmounted when i run ipod patcher? |
| 09:55:13 | JdGordon | you shouldnt have mounted the firmware partition... |
| 09:55:27 | karl | i don't have it mounted |
| 09:55:39 | karl | or, i mount /dev/sdd2, which has the Contacts and Calendars folder |
| 09:55:51 | karl | how else would i extract the rockbox files onto it? |
| 09:59:16 | JdGordon | 2 sepeartae things... the bootloader goes onto the firmware partition with ipodpatcher... rockbox.zip gets extracted onto the main partition |
| 09:59:31 | karl | i never mounted the firmware partition |
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| 09:59:41 | JdGordon | ok |
| 09:59:42 | karl | i tried, but didn't know the firmware type, so i said screw it |
| 09:59:50 | karl | err, the filesystem type |
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| 10:04:46 | karl | cool got it working |
| 10:05:08 | karl | went through the process this time and made sure that the primary partition wasn't mounted |
| 10:05:15 | karl | i don't know if that was the issue, but it works now |
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| 10:14:16 | Fenrir | Hey, I just tried downloading rockbox to my Gigabeat F40. Followed the instructions, installed it, unplugged it from the USB port, turned it off, turned it back on, and it's still running the original Gigabeat firmware. Can't get it to run rockbox. |
| 10:16:07 | Fenrir | Any ideas? |
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| 10:57:22 | eminn3m | is it possible to read ratings from tags? |
| 10:58:02 | eminn3m | or to somehow insert ratings into the runtime db |
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| 11:00:05 | Slasheri | yes, using the changelog export/import feature |
| 11:01:03 | Slasheri | it will generate an ascii file containing all metadata stored in the db. You can then modify that and import it back into the db |
| 11:01:32 | eminn3m | where do I find the changelog export/import feature? |
| 11:02:03 | Slasheri | that should be under the db submenu. export/import modifications or something like that |
| 11:02:18 | Slasheri | it should create /.rockbox/database_changelog.txt |
| 11:03:32 | eminn3m | so first I export it then on my computer manually edit it and then import it? |
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| 11:04:03 | Slasheri | basically yes. probably you want to do some automatic editing in future |
| 11:04:18 | eminn3m | how would I do automatic editing? |
| 11:04:43 | Slasheri | that depends what you want to do with the file :) but you need some programming for that |
| 11:05:08 | eminn3m | all I want is for the ratings that I enter in foobar to be read by rockbox |
| 11:05:23 | Slasheri | if you are using windows, be sure to open the file using wordpad (notepad scrambles the line feeds) |
| 11:05:57 | Slasheri | hmm, i have no idea where foobar stores the ratings |
| 11:06:56 | eminn3m | it makes a tag RATING on the file |
| 11:07:11 | eminn3m | and enters a number 1-5 for the rating |
| 11:07:44 | Slasheri | hmm, then it should be possible to make rockbox read that tag. however, updating it by rockbox would be more difficult |
| 11:08:07 | eminn3m | I'm more interested in having it read it than anything else |
| 11:08:20 | eminn3m | how would I get it to read the tag? |
| 11:09:42 | Slasheri | hmm, what type of files do you have tagged with the RATING-tag? |
| 11:09:51 | eminn3m | mostly mp3's |
| 11:10:30 | eminn3m | a few flac and ogg's but so few that I don't care about them as much |
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| 11:12:09 | Slasheri | would you mind sending one copy of each different type of files to me? I could try adding that tag to the parsers at sometime |
| 11:12:19 | eminn3m | of course |
| 11:12:21 | eminn3m | one second |
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| 11:12:55 | Buschel | fast enough now :-) |
| 11:13:06 | Slasheri | nice :) |
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| 11:15:42 | Slasheri | 12:15 [freenode] DCC can't connect to 82.96.64.4 port 1024 |
| 11:15:51 | Slasheri | eminn3m: hmm, it doesn't seem to work |
| 11:16:03 | eminn3m | that's strange |
| 11:16:15 | eminn3m | should I upload them and send them that way |
| 11:16:23 | Slasheri | you have a wrong IP |
| 11:16:33 | Slasheri | correct should be 76.94.173.208 |
| 11:17:09 | Slasheri | try to update that to the irc client settings |
| 11:17:35 | eminn3m | o ok |
| 11:18:12 | eminn3m | that was the one entered in local info |
| 11:18:35 | eminn3m | lookup method is set to server |
| 11:18:45 | eminn3m | should it be normal? |
| 11:18:46 | Slasheri | just replace it with the correct one or leave it empty. then it probably should work |
| 11:19:08 | Slasheri | probably, but i have no idea what client you are using |
| 11:20:17 | Slasheri | eminn3m: still the same ip |
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| 11:20:18 | bluebrother | someone with Ipod 5.5G / 5G around? I'd be interested if the "gestalt" value differs between 32MiB and 64MiB models |
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| 11:20:36 | eminn3m | I have an ipod 5.5g |
| 11:21:06 | eminn3m | do you want me to check something for you |
| 11:21:14 | bluebrother | can you check that value for me? It's the key boardHwSwInterfaceRev in the file /iPod_Control/Device/SysInfo on the Ipod |
| 11:22:58 | eminn3m | I opened sysinfo with notepad and it's empty |
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| 11:23:14 | eminn3m | I just recently restored my ipod |
| 11:23:29 | bluebrother | have you booted the apple firmware at least once? |
| 11:23:49 | eminn3m | once I think lemme try again |
| 11:24:26 | bluebrother | that file should contain several key:value pairs (according to IPL wiki, and it does on my mini) |
| 11:25:30 | eminn3m | I just booted the apple firmware but there's no songs put on with itunes |
| 11:25:51 | eminn3m | one second I'll check if there's anything |
| 11:26:05 | eminn3m | ya sysinfo is still 0kb |
| 11:26:21 | bluebrother | interesting. Maybe I should ask at IPL |
| 11:27:18 | eminn3m | it's probably only because I just restored my ipod |
| 11:28:18 | bluebrother | possible. I'll wait if someone else can check that for me. |
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| 11:31:00 | eminn3m | I even tried transferring songs with itunes, loading apple firmware then reconnecting it in apple mode |
| 11:31:03 | eminn3m | and still 0kb |
| 11:31:52 | eminn3m | Slasheri: what should I use to send you the files |
| 11:32:00 | eminn3m | since mirc doesn't seem to be working |
| 11:32:11 | bluebrother | strange. But thanks for looking. |
| 11:32:27 | eminn3m | no problem |
| 11:32:34 | Slasheri | eminn3m: did you check you have the correct ip in the settings now? because it still tried with the wrong one.. |
| 11:33:14 | Slasheri | you could also send the files by email miipekk at ihme.org or upload in some place |
| 11:33:18 | eminn3m | connect > local info right? |
| 11:33:35 | Slasheri | i suppose, if that is the only place where the local address is listed |
| 11:34:55 | eminn3m | still bad? |
| 11:34:56 | Slasheri | eminn3m: it still didn't change. maybe you have to restart the client |
| 11:35:17 | Slasheri | it still was the same 82.96.64.4 |
| 11:35:30 | eminn3m | isn't that what it's sposed to be set to? |
| 11:35:36 | Slasheri | no |
| 11:35:43 | eminn3m | what's the correct one? |
| 11:36:06 | eminn3m | "> you have a wrong IP |
| 11:36:06 | eminn3m | <Slasheri> correct should be 82.96.64.4 |
| 11:36:11 | Slasheri | /whois eminn3m and then nslookup cpe-76-94-173-208.socal.res.rr.com |
| 11:36:16 | Slasheri | correct is 76.94.173.208 |
| 11:36:28 | Slasheri | 12:16 < Slasheri> correct should be 76.94.173.208 |
| 11:36:40 | Slasheri | hehe, i don't know where did you get that one :) |
| 11:38:01 | Slasheri | ok, now you have the correct one but probably you have a firewall blocking the dcc. just use the email :) |
| 11:38:24 | eminn3m | the ip you wrote as correct is the one you wrote as incorrect |
| 11:38:38 | Slasheri | hmm? |
| 11:39:01 | Slasheri | it can't be.. or then your mirc was changing the ip for you |
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| 11:41:24 | eminn3m | no firewall but I'll just send a different way |
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| 11:45:40 | eminn3m | ok it's uploading I'll be back |
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| 11:51:42 | eminn3m | so just clarifying, as of now there's no way for rockbox to read RATING tags but I'm sending you files with the tag on it so you can see if you can find away for it to read the tags> |
| 11:51:44 | eminn3m | ?* |
| 11:55:34 | eminn3m | Slasheri:I've emailed the files to you if you didn't get it here's the link to download them https://download.yousendit.com/FB8B48A645BB60EC |
| 11:57:36 | Slasheri | eminn3m: i got them, thanks! |
| 11:57:40 | eminn3m | great |
| 11:58:26 | Slasheri | eminn3m: yes, correct. i will try to have some time and look into implementing reading the rating tag directly into the db |
| 11:58:42 | eminn3m | that would be AMAZING |
| 11:58:46 | eminn3m | thanks so much |
| 11:58:50 | Slasheri | :) |
| 11:59:09 | eminn3m | ok I'm off to bed have a gnight |
| 11:59:22 | Slasheri | i am just waking up :) |
| 11:59:32 | eminn3m | wow early riser |
| 11:59:35 | eminn3m | east coast? |
| 11:59:47 | Slasheri | europe, finland :) |
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| 12:00:07 | eminn3m | oo lol good day in that case |
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| 14:20:15 | wpyh | hi |
| 14:20:33 | wpyh | the bubbles plugin's main menu is not so intuitive to use |
| 14:21:09 | wpyh | I would like to change it to a list-menu type, with items like "Level Select", "Start Game" "Continue Saved Game", "High Scores", etc |
| 14:21:14 | wpyh | is anyone opposed to the idea? |
| 14:23:47 | petur | the best thing would be for all plugins to use the same kind of menu for the user |
| 14:24:26 | wpyh | I think different games would have it's own plugin, since the game dynamics are different |
| 14:24:35 | wpyh | uh... do you mean a template-kind of thing? |
| 14:25:53 | bluebrother | we already have a menu system. Some plugins already use it, most (?) don't. |
| 14:26:17 | wpyh | then what we have to do is just convert the bubbles plugin to use that menu system? |
| 14:27:30 | bluebrother | from my knowledge, yes. But I'm not familiar with that part of the code. |
| 14:27:53 | wpyh | well, if that's true then it'd be much easier :) |
| 14:28:41 | * | petur checks the tracker for a patch :p |
| 14:29:06 | wpyh | petur: I checked, didn't find any regarding bubbles (except for that reversed scrollwheel...) |
| 14:29:34 | petur | I was checking it for your patch :p |
| 14:29:58 | wpyh | oh |
| 14:29:58 | wpyh | :p |
| 14:30:04 | wpyh | no, I haven't started yet :p |
| 14:30:10 | petur | hehe |
| 14:30:51 | wpyh | but as bluebrother suggested, we can potentially use the existing menu system for plugins |
| 14:32:14 | wpyh | oh, and btw one more thing |
| 14:32:19 | wpyh | regarding languages |
| 14:33:23 | wpyh | do we support languages with a space (' ') character in it? I guess not, so what do we replace it with? |
| 14:33:26 | bluebrother | solitaire for example seems to use it. |
| 14:33:48 | bluebrother | languages with a space? You mean language names? |
| 14:33:50 | wpyh | I'm interested in updating/doing the Indonesian translation, but it's "Bahasa Indonesia" -> "bahasa indonesia.lang", and make chokes on it |
| 14:33:55 | wpyh | yes, language names |
| 14:34:02 | bluebrother | I'd use an _ |
| 14:34:05 | wpyh | currently in my local tree I named it bahasa-indonesia.lang |
| 14:34:24 | wpyh | ok, I can rename it to bahasa_indonesia.lang |
| 14:34:48 | wpyh | but there's this portugues-brasileiro.lang (I don't know how it is related to portugues.lang), so... what's the standard here? |
| 14:36:14 | petur | if there's already one, follow the example ;) |
| 14:38:12 | wpyh | ok... |
| 14:38:24 | wpyh | I'd go with the status quo of bahasa-indonesia then :) |
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| 14:41:47 | petur | gtg |
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| 14:47:44 | wpyh | btw, are there any plans to tidy up the code in svn? |
| 14:48:56 | bluebrother | tidy up what code? |
| 14:50:16 | wpyh | I get messages like these when compiling the BL: http://paste2.org/p/41631 |
| 14:50:30 | wpyh | (that's randomly copied and pasted from a long list of messages...) |
| 14:51:14 | Bagder | wpyh: that's probably because you didn't have gcc in your path when you ran configure |
| 14:51:24 | Bagder | thus you didn't get the "correct" set of compiler options |
| 14:51:36 | bluebrother | I don't get any warning when building, and if warnings exist they should show up in the build server log |
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| 14:52:25 | voltagex | H380! |
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| 14:54:12 | voltagex | MK8007GAH is in the H340 now |
| 14:54:13 | voltagex | :D |
| 14:54:43 | wpyh | um... let me try again |
| 14:55:10 | Mikachu | Bagder: did you see my message? |
| 14:55:20 | wpyh | great |
| 14:55:22 | Bagder | hm, no |
| 14:55:39 | Bagder | midkay: where and when? |
| 14:55:41 | Mikachu | <Mikachu> Bagder: hi, i don't remember if it's you who handles the dns stuff, but i lost my ath.cx domain, so could you (or the right person) change it cname for mikachu.rockbox.org to mika.l3ib.org? |
| 14:55:44 | wpyh | now I get no such warnings :) |
| 14:55:49 | Bagder | ok |
| 14:55:53 | wpyh | btw does it affect the generated code? |
| 14:55:58 | * | Bagder didn't mean to type midkay... |
| 14:56:03 | Bagder | wpyh: no |
| 14:56:10 | wpyh | ok, thanks |
| 14:56:11 | wpyh | :) |
| 14:56:30 | * | Mikachu waves |
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| 14:57:30 | wpyh | btw, that's another reason why we should get the correct PATH setting automatically |
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| 14:58:06 | Bagder | getting it done automatically is a huge can of worms |
| 14:58:20 | Bagder | but do provide a patch if you think you're up to it |
| 14:58:39 | wpyh | I'll try |
| 14:58:48 | * | wpyh is not sure he's up to it |
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| 15:01:12 | voltagex | err.. is the MK8007GAH slightly thicker than the 4006? |
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| 15:01:41 | wpyh | voltagex: look at the last three characters |
| 15:01:57 | wpyh | the GAH is 8 mm thick |
| 15:02:11 | wpyh | for the 4006 we would have to see whether it's GAL or GAH |
| 15:02:28 | voltagex | wpyh: is it written on the actual drive? |
| 15:02:33 | voltagex | or only in its firmware? |
| 15:02:39 | wpyh | yes, it's written on the drive |
| 15:02:46 | voltagex | 4006GAH |
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| 15:02:53 | wpyh | also, the ATA identify output should contain it |
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| 15:02:58 | wpyh | well, then it's also 8mm thick |
| 15:03:17 | voltagex | wpyh: the ata output isn't great when the drive is totally busted :( |
| 15:03:18 | voltagex | lol |
| 15:03:35 | wpyh | oh :p |
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| 15:03:51 | wpyh | so, you're installing RB on the 80GB drive? |
| 15:03:58 | voltagex | wpyh: already done and booted |
| 15:04:03 | wpyh | great |
| 15:04:16 | wpyh | so it's a 512-byte sector drive |
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| 15:04:23 | voltagex | only casualty was the plastic faceplate :( |
| 15:04:42 | voltagex | wpyh: wouldn't have a clue sorry |
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| 15:05:09 | wpyh | never mind... ;) I'm just into such things because my disk has 1024-byte sectors |
| 15:06:07 | gevaerts | wpyh: how can you ever get the PATH setting automatically ? |
| 15:06:22 | wpyh | gevaerts: we set it in a file |
| 15:06:27 | wpyh | then the other files source it |
| 15:06:49 | wpyh | for example, tools/rockboxdev.sh contains a "dlwhere" and "prefix" variables |
| 15:07:04 | wpyh | those are for downloading the cross compiler tools afaik |
| 15:07:17 | wpyh | we can move at least the prefix out, and then put it into a file |
| 15:07:31 | wpyh | um... maybe pathsettings.sh |
| 15:07:40 | wpyh | rockboxdev.sh, configure and makefiles would source it |
| 15:07:46 | wpyh | then we have a correct path |
| 15:07:51 | Bagder | source it where? |
| 15:07:54 | gevaerts | Where would you put that file ? |
| 15:08:01 | wpyh | I would put it in tools/ |
| 15:08:12 | Bagder | in the source dir? |
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| 15:08:19 | gevaerts | So how does that work for people with more than one svn checkout ? |
| 15:08:28 | Bagder | and multiple gcc builds |
| 15:08:32 | wpyh | um, in the tools/ directory |
| 15:09:08 | wpyh | gevaerts: what do you mean by "more than one svn checkout"? do you mean in the same directory or in different directories? |
| 15:09:20 | gevaerts | Different directories of course |
| 15:09:35 | * | gevaerts currently has 5 |
| 15:09:39 | wpyh | Bagder: for multiple gcc builds, the user can edit the tools/pathsettings.sh file |
| 15:09:42 | Bagder | and also, people will wipe their source dirs often anyway |
| 15:09:47 | Bagder | but still keep the gcc install |
| 15:10:08 | Bagder | I think it would have to be put outside of the build and source dirs |
| 15:10:10 | wpyh | gevaerts: well, for different svn checkout directories it's good actually, since each can have its own gcc build |
| 15:10:17 | Bagder | possibly $HOME/.rockboxsettings.sh or so |
| 15:10:26 | wpyh | Bagder: looks like I misunderstood your question :p |
| 15:10:33 | bluebrother | the only sane way is to put a file in /etc/profile.d/ or similar −− if you installed globally. |
| 15:10:43 | wpyh | Bagder: putting it in $HOME/.rockboxsettings.sh is a good idea :) |
| 15:11:24 | bluebrother | or use ~/.config/rockbox.org/ −− rbutil uses that path ;-) |
| 15:11:38 | wpyh | I don't think /etc/profile.d is a good idea though.. |
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| 15:11:49 | * | gevaerts agrees |
| 15:12:00 | wpyh | bluebrother: great :) we can use that too: ~/.config/rockbox.org/pathsettings.sh |
| 15:12:09 | bluebrother | why not? It's a bad idea if you installed the compiler somewhere in your $HOME, yes. |
| 15:12:16 | bluebrother | but I prefer to have the compiler in /usr/local. |
| 15:12:27 | * | gevaerts has it somewhere in $HOME ;) |
| 15:12:31 | wpyh | bluebrother: in my case it's in /tmp/rbdev-usr |
| 15:12:47 | gevaerts | In /tmp ? |
| 15:12:53 | * | gevaerts tuns away screaming |
| 15:12:57 | wpyh | gevaerts: yes... why? |
| 15:12:58 | gevaerts | s/tun/run |
| 15:13:12 | Galois | oh yeah? my compiler is installed under /dev |
| 15:13:17 | * | bluebrother joins gevaerts |
| 15:13:27 | * | wpyh doesn't have a "rm -rf /tmp/*" line in /etc/rc.d |
| 15:13:49 | * | wpyh joins bluebrother and gevaerts upon hearing about Galois' setup |
| 15:14:08 | * | gevaerts seriously doubts Galois' seriousness here |
| 15:14:09 | wpyh | anyway |
| 15:14:16 | * | BigBambi suspects Galois is using a healthy dose of sarcasm |
| 15:14:38 | wpyh | oh no... looks like I'm being kidded again −− but it's off topic anyway |
| 15:14:52 | wpyh | the reason I put it in /tmp is because it's the default (IIRC) |
| 15:14:55 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:15:15 | gevaerts | default is /usr/local/something |
| 15:15:15 | wpyh | and because I don't use it to compile anything other than RB |
| 15:15:30 | wpyh | gevaerts: yeah? I must've mixed up then :p |
| 15:15:43 | bluebrother | /tmp/rb-something is default for the build folder, not for the installation |
| 15:17:12 | wpyh | let's see... yeah, the default is /usr/local, sorry |
| 15:17:32 | wpyh | but since I don't have sudo then, I modified it to /tmp/rbdev-usr |
| 15:17:48 | * | bluebrother goes screaming |
| 15:17:50 | wpyh | that's why no one seems to be having the same problems I have :p |
| 15:18:14 | * | Bagder never sudos... |
| 15:18:25 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 15:18:32 | * | bluebrother neither :D |
| 15:18:46 | BigBambi | Bagder: you log in as root? :) |
| 15:18:50 | wpyh | then how do you install to /usr/local? (without logging in as root of course) |
| 15:18:59 | Bagder | no, I su - when I wanna do something as root |
| 15:19:01 | BigBambi | su? |
| 15:19:20 | BigBambi | @ wpyh - I know what su is :) |
| 15:20:23 | wpyh | BigBambi: didn't mean to say that −− I completely forgot about su :p |
| 15:25:16 | wpyh | so, back here |
| 15:26:02 | wpyh | I think it would be better to have the cross compilers (for me) in $HOME/rockbox-tools |
| 15:26:24 | wpyh | and I think a lot of people would do the same, not installing the tools directly in their $PATH |
| 15:26:32 | wpyh | so we need to find a way to set $PATH automatically |
| 15:26:50 | wpyh | one good idea is to use $HOME/.config/rockbox.org −− does anyone object to that? |
| 15:27:21 | wpyh | if no one does, then we need to think how we want to implement it −− since it should work for both shell scripts and makefiles |
| 15:29:14 | gevaerts | If you find a way to set PATH automatically, just append whatever the default is to it, no need for config files. |
| 15:29:41 | gevaerts | People using the a different location will set their PATH themselves, so that will be first in $PATH anyway |
| 15:29:44 | wpyh | gevaerts: but then it will be default whenever I login |
| 15:30:13 | wpyh | the effect I need is that the crosscompiler's path only gets included when I work on RB, and nothing else |
| 15:30:23 | gevaerts | wpyh: I don't meant to append it _at login_, just from within the build scripts |
| 15:30:47 | wpyh | gevaerts: yeah, the build scripts |
| 15:31:03 | wpyh | why not use a special script / file to hold the path then? |
| 15:31:13 | wpyh | that way we don't have to copy the path to every script... |
| 15:31:30 | * | BigBambi thinks wpyh should change lots of his "we" to "I" |
| 15:31:38 | gevaerts | :) |
| 15:32:11 | wpyh | BigBambi: good point ;) |
| 15:32:55 | * | gevaerts whispers to BigBambi : "/tmp" ;) |
| 15:33:00 | BigBambi | hehe |
| 15:33:33 | wpyh | so, which one would be better/get included easier: ~/.config/rockbox.org/somefile or svn trunk/tools/somefile |
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| 15:34:52 | wpyh | if I get this sorted out, then I don't need /tmp/rbdev-usr anymore :p |
| 15:35:39 | Xqtftqx | Guys Help! Under Linux i cant acsess any of the files on my gigabeat s, i can see them but i get a error when trying to write, "Read Only File System" any ideas? |
| 15:36:38 | * | MTee waves to voltagex |
| 15:37:26 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: check the permissions of your user and of the S |
| 15:38:47 | Xqtftqx | How do i check the permissions of the S? |
| 15:40:14 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: This is a linux issue, not Rockbox. Try google |
| 15:40:30 | Xqtftqx | Well, thanks for your help........ |
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| 15:46:47 | Xqtftqx | does the S have a NTFS Hard Drive? |
| 15:47:11 | BigBambi | No |
| 15:47:22 | Xqtftqx | Ok thank yo |
| 15:47:24 | Xqtftqx | you* |
| 15:47:27 | BigBambi | Rockbox reads FAT32 (and FAT16) only |
| 15:47:33 | BigBambi | The S is FAT32 |
| 15:47:40 | Xqtftqx | Thats what i though |
| 15:57:02 | J-23 | S? |
| 15:57:08 | BigBambi | gigabeat S |
| 15:57:45 | Xqtftqx | GRRRR, making me so mad |
| 15:58:27 | BigBambi | You have tried writing to it using sudo (or su) right? i.e. with root permissions |
| 15:58:41 | BigBambi | To double check it is a permissions issue |
| 15:58:54 | Xqtftqx | yeah with sudo no luck |
| 15:59:18 | BigBambi | oh really? |
| 15:59:51 | Xqtftqx | yeah, it becomes a "Read only file system" other OS's can see it fine |
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| 16:00:04 | Xqtftqx | write to it* |
| 16:00:41 | BigBambi | and how are you mounting it? |
| 16:01:39 | Xqtftqx | Just normaly, insterting usbcable, drive shows, i can see all files, and play some music from linux. i cant write any files though |
| 16:01:50 | Xqtftqx | http://pastebin.ca/1052935 thats what happens when i use sudo |
| 16:03:08 | Xqtftqx | and i can make a folder on the firmware partion |
| 16:03:44 | BigBambi | well, as I say this seems to be a not unusual linux issue: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=linux+can%27t+write+to+usb+drive&btnG=Search |
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| 16:05:11 | Xqtftqx | Well, ill just put the drive to work under vista fixed it once |
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| 16:09:09 | MU{lappy} | ah, xqtftqx left. i've had the same issue w/ writing, in my case linux forced the mount to read-only because of discrepancies w/ the filesystem. fsck will probably fix it up. |
| 16:10:02 | JdGordon | Nico_P: hey |
| 16:10:20 | wpyh | hm.... |
| 16:10:34 | wpyh | can you please post the dmesg output when you try to mount the filesystem? |
| 16:10:45 | wpyh | might be a big-sector issue... (*might*) |
| 16:11:26 | MU{lappy} | wpyh: no, it's not. it only happens *if* something has corrupted, it works fine w/ fsck+remount |
| 16:11:34 | wpyh | hm... |
| 16:11:42 | wpyh | can the corruption be reliably reproduced? |
| 16:11:55 | BigBambi | wpyh: The S has no large sector issues |
| 16:12:02 | BigBambi | And generally works fine |
| 16:12:24 | Nico_P | JdGordon: hi |
| 16:12:48 | wpyh | BigBambi: yeah, I'm still full of it... |
| 16:12:48 | JdGordon | hey, got a chance to look at 9027 in the next 12 hours or so? |
| 16:12:56 | JdGordon | I'd like to commit it tomorow |
| 16:13:08 | BigBambi | wpyh: The large sector issue is an issue *only* for specific players |
| 16:13:09 | MU{lappy} | wpyh: i don't think it's a rockbox issue, the corruption. it's likely the result of not doing sync+umount before unplug, or such. |
| 16:13:11 | BigBambi | Not all of them |
| 16:13:19 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I'm not sure, but I'll try |
| 16:13:21 | wpyh | BigBambi: yeah, thanks :) |
| 16:13:34 | * | Nico_P is rather busy ATM |
| 16:13:53 | wpyh | MU{lappy}: I did that several times, but my usb stick still boots fine |
| 16:14:07 | BigBambi | wpyh: It doesn't happen every time |
| 16:14:10 | wpyh | maybe the sync is the key |
| 16:14:14 | BigBambi | It depends on many factors |
| 16:14:20 | MU{lappy} | mmhm. |
| 16:14:38 | wpyh | yeah |
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| 16:14:50 | MU{lappy} | in any case, linux forces the mount read-only if it detects any corruption that might make writes unsafe |
| 16:14:59 | JdGordon | Nico_P: ok, not a big deal if you dont look at it.. just I'd like osme sort of answer about wheather or not to keep the %pb tag as using a line or not |
| 16:15:04 | BigBambi | Anyway, filesystem corruption can come from many places, virtually all of which are off topic here, and bugger all to do with large sectors |
| 16:15:15 | * | JdGordon may be to inebriated to explain the problem prop[erly atm |
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| 16:16:14 | MU{lappy} | i don't *think* rockbox itself has ever been to blame. the OF i'm less sure of, since it never "really" shuts down. |
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| 16:29:57 | wpyh | rasher: how about the flags discussion? ;) |
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| 16:36:11 | krz | hi everyone! |
| 16:36:38 | krz | can anybody tell how rockbox stores bitmaps in bitmap->data? |
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| 16:54:11 | MarcGuay | JdGordon|zzz: Have you seen http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9098? Probably an easy fix for someone who knows what's happening in there. |
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| 16:55:22 | user01 | its getting harder for me to find mp3 players that work with rockbox |
| 16:56:14 | user01 | the older ones are getting rarer and the newer ones probably wont be supported |
| 16:56:33 | bluebrother | well, you're telling quite breaking news. |
| 16:56:35 | MarcGuay | user01: check out #rockbox-moan-and-groan |
| 16:57:28 | * | bluebrother giggles |
| 16:57:53 | user01 | wow im the channel op :) |
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| 16:58:45 | user01 | hey everybody i have my own channel for rockbox, #rockbox-moan-and-groan, check it out! |
| 16:59:23 | wpyh | hi there |
| 16:59:33 | wpyh | if I set a shutdown timeout |
| 16:59:48 | wpyh | when the device shuts down, it will turn on the backlight |
| 16:59:55 | wpyh | shouldn't it be kept off? |
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| 17:00:01 | user01 | so when you go to devconwest2008 you're going to support many more mp3 players after that right? ;) |
| 17:00:10 | user01 | google summer of code |
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| 17:00:53 | desowin | user01: ? |
| 17:02:38 | user01 | desowin, rockbox is at google summer of code to develop code or to instruct? |
| 17:02:52 | bluebrother | wpyh: no, it's intentional to give you a feedback something is happening. |
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| 17:03:26 | desowin | user01: both, selected studends get stiped and helping hand from rockbox hackers in order to implement their project ideas |
| 17:03:29 | wpyh | bluebrother: thanks |
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| 17:06:15 | user01 | bluebrother, ok it is set |
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| 17:07:28 | user01 | desowin, ah ok |
| 17:07:53 | user01 | desowin, thought the summer of code was a place to further develop the rockbox project |
| 17:08:48 | user01 | maybe rockbox should approach someone like toshiba or iaudio for them to develop hardware exclusively for rockbox |
| 17:08:58 | user01 | like an openmoko thing |
| 17:11:08 | user01 | companies dont seem to like open stuff though |
| 17:11:08 | bluebrother | there is someone trying to build a rockbox hardware. Check the forums |
| 17:11:20 | user01 | bluebrother, cool thanks |
| 17:12:00 | desowin | some like to abuse open stuff (how many gpl violations are there ;) ) |
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| 17:17:51 | user01 | bluebrother, doesnt look like there has been a posting to that one since may |
| 17:18:48 | user01 | ipod mini gen 1 works i hope |
| 17:20:55 | user01 | mp4 is supported? |
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| 17:26:42 | bluebrother | no. mpeg4 isn't a single codec. |
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| 17:28:23 | krazykit | user01, this is covered in the manual |
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| 17:32:08 | krz | so, anyone knows wps code? |
| 17:33:48 | bluebrother | krz: check for Nico_P and JdGordon|zzz |
| 17:34:06 | user01 | is there something specific that keeps ipod classic to keep rockbox off it? |
| 17:34:26 | BigBambi | encrypted firmware, undocumented hardware are two big ones |
| 17:34:54 | krz | bluebrother: thanks |
| 17:35:03 | user01 | yeah that is in no way classic |
| 17:35:34 | wpyh | well, there seems to be some work at decrypting the 2nd gen nano, and it may be the first steps to breaking the encryption on the classic |
| 17:36:10 | BigBambi | Which work? |
| 17:36:26 | wpyh | http://home.gna.org/linux4nano/ |
| 17:36:50 | saratoga | well they dumped some of the firmware, but i don't think they've done anything about the encryption |
| 17:36:58 | * | BigBambi is spectical |
| 17:37:04 | wpyh | that's the first steps :) |
| 17:37:06 | BigBambi | *sceptical |
| 17:37:27 | wpyh | *skeptical |
| 17:37:33 | BigBambi | er, yes :) |
| 17:37:47 | wpyh | anyway, I hope they manage to decrypt it :) |
| 17:38:33 | BigBambi | sceptical is a perfectly acceptable variant by the way |
| 17:38:51 | * | wpyh learns a new word today |
| 17:39:37 | BigBambi | in fact sceptical is the correct British spelling, skeptical is American |
| 17:39:44 | BigBambi | but off topic |
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| 17:39:49 | wpyh | yeah |
| 17:39:54 | wpyh | sorry |
| 17:39:55 | wpyh | :p |
| 17:40:16 | wpyh | saratoga: any idea on their progress? (the nano 2g decryption) |
| 17:40:31 | user01 | well at least we both say aluminium ;) |
| 17:41:33 | user01 | a-lu-min-i-um and A-lu-mi-num |
| 17:41:53 | krazykit | user01, please stay on topic |
| 17:42:11 | user01 | krazykit, it was in reference to the sceptical thing |
| 17:42:24 | krazykit | which was also off-topic. |
| 17:42:56 | user01 | krazykit, ah but there is the error i was on-topic the off-topic :) |
| 17:43:32 | BigBambi | just stay on-topic |
| 17:44:37 | saratoga | they've dumped the (encrypted) firmware image off the player |
| 17:46:20 | wpyh | saratoga: but I heard the dump wasn't complete? |
| 17:47:48 | user01 | is the nano 2g similar to the ipod classic firmware? |
| 17:51:52 | saratoga | they're assumed to be similar |
| 17:58:02 | wpyh | does anyone here know the star plugin well? |
| 17:58:08 | wpyh | (it's a game) |
| 17:58:13 | wpyh | apps/plugins/star.c |
| 17:58:39 | wpyh | it seems to be implementing a function star_display_text() that looks somewhat like a generic function |
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| 19:07:21 | mcuelenaere | could a twiki admin/mod delete http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/attach/Main/OndaVX747?filename=jz4740_usbtool.c&revInfo=1 please? |
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| 19:11:24 | adamgolding | does rockbox play video? |
| 19:11:35 | saratoga | yes, mpeg2 |
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| 19:11:50 | adamgolding | oh, so i need to convert, ok |
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| 19:15:20 | bluebrother | adamgolding: check the PluginMpegplayer wiki page |
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| 19:16:39 | adamgolding | k |
| 19:16:49 | adamgolding | and how do i assign track rating in rockbox? |
| 19:16:53 | adamgolding | i dont' see anything in the context menu |
| 19:19:54 | Slasheri | adamgolding: make sure you have runtime statistics gathering enabled under db submenu and the db has been initialized |
| 19:20:27 | adamgolding | oh i can't do rating if i'm not using the db? |
| 19:20:38 | Slasheri | nope, that wouldn't make sense |
| 19:20:38 | adamgolding | i just want it to write to the tags |
| 19:20:47 | Slasheri | rockbox doesn't write anything to tags |
| 19:20:51 | adamgolding | oh |
| 19:21:03 | adamgolding | how would i get the ratings back onto my desktop then? |
| 19:21:06 | saratoga | that'd be a bad idea on hard disk players |
| 19:21:48 | Slasheri | adamgolding: with little programming and using the export/import db feature that should be simple |
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| 20:20:29 | xqtftqx | Guys has there bean any changes to the gigabeat s bootloader lately? |
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| 20:23:29 | krazykit | xqtftqx, you can look through recent commits. |
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| 20:28:44 | MU{lappy} | i don't *think* so, i keep a pretty close eye on S development |
| 20:29:00 | MU{lappy} | waiting for charging to get checked in ;) |
| 20:29:06 | MU{lappy} | why, are you having trouble @ boot? |
| 20:29:47 | xqtftqx | No, im building a build of mine and im trying to make a excuse to edit the bootloader |
| 20:30:28 | xqtftqx | My last experience editing the bootloader was a little travic |
| 20:30:38 | MU{lappy} | maybe better not, then? |
| 20:30:41 | BigBambi | So do it if you want, but no, there haven't been any changes very recently |
| 20:30:52 | xqtftqx | Ok |
| 20:31:08 | xqtftqx | The only problem was multiboot |
| 20:31:13 | xqtftqx | it never worked for me |
| 20:31:45 | BigBambi | It works fine here, and is fairly essential seeing as Rockbox doesn't charge yet |
| 20:32:08 | xqtftqx | it never worked me *me* not saying it doesnt work for others |
| 20:32:11 | MU{lappy} | power on w/ hold switch engaged - perhaps your hold switch is broken? |
| 20:32:23 | MU{lappy} | or are you using the rockbox-built bootloader as-is? |
| 20:32:30 | xqtftqx | no, i chould never make the multibootloader |
| 20:32:50 | xqtftqx | i have a copy somebody gave me (trying to remember the name) |
| 20:32:52 | MU{lappy} | you have to use mknkboot to combine it w/ a "normal" OF nk.bin |
| 20:32:57 | xqtftqx | and that one works |
| 20:35:30 | xqtftqx | Huh, thats wierd never sean that error beffor |
| 20:35:33 | xqtftqx | beffore* |
| 20:35:48 | xqtftqx | BOLO error, unable to read file (image) |
| 20:38:41 | xqtftqx | ok its working now |
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| 20:48:18 | xqtftqx | Is it possible to create a plugin that talks to a server on a computer via usb? |
| 20:49:30 | gevaerts | Not right now. However you might be able to extend the plugin api to allow that |
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| 20:49:59 | xqtftqx | If we had that and a usb host possibilities would be endless |
| 20:52:07 | gevaerts | Do ou have something specific in mind ? |
| 20:52:13 | gevaerts | s/ou/you/ |
| 20:52:45 | xqtftqx | not specific just random stuff ive been thinking about |
| 20:53:41 | xqtftqx | the code to connect via usb is there, is there any code now which allows you to use the device while in usb mode? |
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| 20:54:36 | gevaerts | That depends on what you mean by "usb mode" |
| 20:54:59 | xqtftqx | allowing you to read and write to the harddrive/memory |
| 20:55:30 | gevaerts | ok. That's unfortunately not possible at all |
| 20:55:39 | xqtftqx | why? |
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| 20:56:54 | gevaerts | It would mean two operating systems accessing the same disk at the same time. As soon as one OS changes something on disk, the other will have an inconsistent view of the situation. |
| 20:57:10 | xqtftqx | what if it wasnt changing the disk |
| 20:57:43 | krz | can anyone point where to find how rockbox stores colorbitmaps? |
| 20:57:47 | gevaerts | If neither of them changes the disk, it could work, but is that useful ? |
| 20:58:13 | xqtftqx | idk, just thinking |
| 20:58:47 | xqtftqx | or they did it in a pattern |
| 20:58:59 | xqtftqx | like computer,rockbox,computer,rockbox,computer,rockbox,etc |
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| 20:59:49 | MU{lappy} | remote control from PC seems like an application |
| 20:59:54 | gevaerts | So basically do the same thing as connecting and disconnecting in turns ? |
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| 21:00:00 | xqtftqx | sorta |
| 21:00:09 | gevaerts | MU{lappy}: yes, but that's not "allowing you to read and write to the harddrive/memory" |
| 21:00:16 | xqtftqx | only one goes idle while the other changes the disk |
| 21:00:30 | xqtftqx | then they switch |
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| 21:00:47 | MU{lappy} | gevaerts: no, the only way to do *that* and not have things go bad is some sort of protocol where the DAP manages access |
| 21:01:26 | MU{lappy} | i'd say best choices there are either use MTP, or present as a CDC ethernet device and serve CIFS or NFS access to the disk |
| 21:01:30 | gevaerts | If you want to read and write _files_, that should be possible once someone writes MTP support |
| 21:01:45 | MU{lappy} | the second choice gives you the option of remote playback control as well |
| 21:01:53 | MU{lappy} | is anybody *working* on MTP? |
| 21:02:00 | xqtftqx | i dont think so |
| 21:02:04 | gevaerts | no. Maybe xqtftqx wants to have a go ? |
| 21:02:07 | * | gevaerts hides |
| 21:02:17 | bluebrother | who wants MTP anyway? ;-) |
| 21:02:22 | xqtftqx | agreeded |
| 21:02:33 | xqtftqx | sorta, i want it for some things, but not for transfer |
| 21:03:18 | xqtftqx | but realy remote playback whould be cool, and start a webserver to controll it |
| 21:04:54 | xqtftqx | Anybody know where that gigabeat 90 degree rotation patch went? |
| 21:05:39 | xqtftqx | nvm |
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| 21:07:54 | xqtftqx | I guess i chould try |
| 21:08:13 | xqtftqx | with mtp, i probly wont get started untill i do a lot of research though/ |
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| 21:09:56 | xqtftqx | and problem is |
| 21:10:09 | xqtftqx | MTP wont allow us to talk to the DAP |
| 21:10:22 | xqtftqx | with windows at least |
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| 21:10:54 | gevaerts | "talk" in what way ? |
| 21:11:11 | xqtftqx | no other program can acsess a mtp device |
| 21:11:15 | MU{lappy} | i'd rather the CDC-ether route :P |
| 21:11:28 | MU{lappy} | but that's so many layers of complexity :/ |
| 21:12:19 | xqtftqx | lol, maybe im looking at PTP may be a bit easier |
| 21:12:35 | xqtftqx | problem with PTP is you cant modify files, only transfer them |
| 21:13:51 | gevaerts | MU{lappy}: go ahead, and let us know when your samba port is done :) |
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| 21:15:37 | xqtftqx | if a usb host is coded it chould allow us to use 3rd party devices to connect |
| 21:16:17 | gevaerts | If usb host support is implemented, _and_ your device happens to have the right hardware |
| 21:16:45 | BigBambi | gevaerts: What? USB is all software! :P |
| 21:16:50 | bluebrother | if it's raining outside it could happen you getting wet :P |
| 21:17:21 | * | gevaerts hits BigBambi over the head with a stick that happens to be all software |
| 21:17:36 | BigBambi | :) |
| 21:17:51 | MU{lappy} | yah, i think devices need appropriate host hardware for that all software to work :P |
| 21:17:59 | bluebrother | seems BigBambi likes to get beaten ... uh-uh ... |
| 21:18:32 | xqtftqx | *cough*off topic*cough* |
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| 21:21:31 | xqtftqx | Hey anybody who has a gigabeat s and whould like to help out with a build send me a msg |
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| 21:26:49 | MU{lappy} | gevaerts: guh, i'm not up to porting something like that. not to a platform w/o malloc() ;P |
| 21:27:16 | MU{lappy} | there must be way too many libc-isms |
| 21:27:17 | gevaerts | MU{lappy}: it would be a plugin, so you are allowed to bring your own malloc |
| 21:29:27 | MU{lappy} | unfortunately, scripting is more my speed. and, oddly enough, vector optimizations, sometimes. do any of the ARM-ish targets have iwmmxt? ;) |
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| 21:31:22 | MU{lappy} | i'm not saying that samba would be a walk in the park, but i've seen the cdc route work well on other devices |
| 21:32:19 | MU{lappy} | some of the ezx-based moto phones can act as cdc devices, and offer samba, telnet, etc |
| 21:32:41 | gevaerts | It can probably work well, but my guess would be that a full IP stack and samba/nfs/http on to would be far too heavy. Of course Bagder might like the idea of http support if we choose the right library :) |
| 21:32:46 | MU{lappy} | wouldn't even need the USB-OTG hardware, just a sufficiently programmable usb client |
| 21:33:46 | gevaerts | Indeed |
| 21:34:41 | MU{lappy} | if malloc isn't welcome, what would be said about adding socket, listen, etc? it's definitely getting into a big mess |
| 21:35:58 | gevaerts | Those are different. malloc() isn't wanted to enforce predictable behaviour. A socket API is an entirely different issue |
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| 21:38:50 | MU{lappy} | some braindead-custom-socket-over-usb interface would also be a possibility. lighter/cheaper than implementing TCP/IP, until you consider that you can't use pre-existing client software |
| 21:40:24 | MU{lappy} | either way is still well beyond me. any precedent for bounties for feature requests on rockbox? |
| 21:40:37 | gevaerts | But then you get back to the question why you actually need this |
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| 21:41:09 | gevaerts | And yes, there are precedents of people wanting to donate for specific features. The short answer is : don't |
| 21:41:17 | MU{lappy} | heh. |
| 21:41:51 | MU{lappy} | "what's the feature request process" "you write a patch, then you ask us to merge it" |
| 21:42:07 | gevaerts | That's more or less it, yes :) |
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| 21:46:36 | MU{lappy} | i would say, MSC + charge-only mode is probably sufficient for most users |
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| 21:49:27 | _23_Rus | Hi all |
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| 21:51:20 | _23_Rus | I read this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxTesting and i want to test RockBox for Meizu m6 |
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| 21:52:15 | xqtftqx | Huh, i didnt see that page, i should add myself as well |
| 21:53:11 | xqtftqx | Rus you add yourself, you need to be active in the irc or mailing list |
| 21:53:18 | xqtftqx | You should* |
| 21:53:47 | | Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) |
| 21:54:03 | _23_Rus | I should to register on this server ? |
| 21:54:29 | xqtftqx | not register, just be active, btw can i get wiki editing writes |
| 21:54:33 | xqtftqx | rights* |
| 21:55:04 | saratoga | whats your username? |
| 21:55:21 | _23_Rus | where ? |
| 21:55:41 | _23_Rus | On the site ? |
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| 21:56:18 | xqtftqx | Hold on, my register is messed up |
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| 21:56:36 | | Nick stripwax_ is now known as stripwax (n=Miranda@87-194-34-169.bethere.co.uk) |
| 21:56:47 | * | stripwax wonders why |
| 21:56:48 | xqtftqx | why did it send the email to xqtftqxt@gmailNO.SPAM.com ? |
| 21:58:00 | xqtftqx | nvm, my username is TylerGetsay |
| 21:58:34 | _23_Rus | Don't understand, where i should to register ? |
| 21:58:58 | xqtftqx | On the wiki |
| 21:59:17 | saratoga | ok done |
| 21:59:19 | markun | _23_Rus: there is nothing to test yet |
| 21:59:32 | markun | maybe after the following weekend |
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| 22:00:48 | _23_Rus | that is not yet firmware ? |
| 22:01:35 | xqtftqx | Rus, its not going to be like running rockbox perfectly, (coetrrect me if im wrong) but a lot of stuff wont even work yet |
| 22:01:45 | xqtftqx | correct* |
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| 22:03:34 | _23_Rus | How many people work on this project ? |
| 22:03:56 | xqtftqx | it depends, its not peoples jobs, they do it in there free time for no profit |
| 22:04:10 | saratoga | theres a couple hundred in the credits, don't know how many are still active |
| 22:04:13 | stripwax | _23_Rus : - take a look at the credits file |
| 22:05:41 | xqtftqx | saratoga can you give me wiki write permission? im TylerGetsay |
| 22:05:57 | _23_Rus | I registered on the wiki (coetrrect me if im wrong because i bad in english) |
| 22:06:10 | _23_Rus | my username is YuraFrolov |
| 22:06:22 | xqtftqx | Good, now allow somebody to give you write and add yourself to the list |
| 22:06:41 | | Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") |
| 22:08:00 | saratoga | xqtftqx: I already did the first time you asked |
| 22:08:10 | xqtftqx | Oh, sorry |
| 22:08:27 | Buschel | saratoga: i played around with the dct32-function from libmad and tried to adapt it to mpc. when doing so i came around −− in mpc context and with some resorting of coeffcients −− that the asm'ed dct32 is a bit slower than the C-version. @ -O1 |
| 22:08:53 | Buschel | saratoga: did you try that in libmad? |
| 22:09:52 | saratoga | Buschel: I never tried the c version, but we build libmad at O2 now |
| 22:10:04 | _23_Rus | What time on your time zone ? |
| 22:10:25 | Buschel | saratoga: -O2 is slower for mpc. but i did not measure which parts get slower... |
| 22:10:44 | amiconn | -O2 was slower for libmad on arm back when we used the C mdct |
| 22:11:13 | amiconn | But the asm version was definitely faster than the C version at -O1 |
| 22:11:37 | saratoga | Buschel: unfortunately, I'm way behind where I want to be on my GSOC project, so I've been concentrating on that over libmad |
| 22:12:23 | _23_Rus | xqtftqx:So next weekend will begin on the test? |
| 22:12:25 | amiconn | The asm version was made by tomal iirc, and that was on a really slow arm target (iFP7xx: arm7tdmi @60MHz) |
| 22:12:33 | Buschel | amiconn: strange... was the dct and the synth asm'ing measured each or only in total? |
| 22:12:40 | xqtftqx | I cant say that |
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| 22:12:46 | _23_Rus | OK |
| 22:12:50 | amiconn | It was verified to be faster both on pp502x and pp5002 |
| 22:12:52 | xqtftqx | Theres no calendar its people and there free time |
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| 22:13:20 | amiconn | Buschel: Plain test_codec |
| 22:13:44 | amiconn | Iirc the various parts of the patch were tested separately, but I'm not sure |
| 22:13:51 | amiconn | Should be in the irc logs |
| 22:14:06 | _23_Rus | See your next time , I will return after next week |
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| 22:14:25 | _23_Rus | bye bye |
| 22:14:25 | Buschel | amiconn: ok, so no single test asm'ed dct vs. C-dct and asm'ed synth vs. C-synth. it was asm'ed dct+synth vs. C-synth+C-dct |
| 22:14:49 | * | Buschel was typing too slow |
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| 22:16:13 | * | shotofadds needs to modify test_codec for the D2 (no disk write access currently...) |
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| 22:16:52 | amiconn | shotofadds: Why? |
| 22:17:17 | shotofadds | doesn't it rely on writing log results to a file? |
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| 22:17:24 | amiconn | I'd wait with testing such things until everything basically works (that includes proper disk access including writing) |
| 22:17:36 | amiconn | But iirc test_codec doesn't write |
| 22:17:39 | saratoga | i don't think test_codec writes |
| 22:18:17 | shotofadds | ah, I must have been thinking of something else. we won't have write access to the internal flash for the forseeable future |
| 22:19:22 | amiconn | Why not? |
| 22:20:05 | | Part J-23 |
| 22:20:38 | shotofadds | we don't understand the NAND scheme well enough for reliable read access, let alone write. There's no controller chip, remember. |
| 22:20:39 | BigBambi | xqtftqx: There is no testing team or anything, or organised testing as such - that wiki page is mainly so if a developer would like something tested on a target they don't have they have an idea who to ask in IRC. |
| 22:21:30 | xqtftqx | OK |
| 22:21:41 | xqtftqx | Sorry caps lock |
| 22:22:07 | xqtftqx | Ill use TylerGetsay Next Time i join |
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| 22:27:21 | amiconn | shotofadds: That means RE'ing the original firmware |
| 22:28:05 | shotofadds | <sarcasm> hmm, why didn't I think of that... |
| 22:29:26 | bluebrother | shotofadds: is the OF encrypted? (I guess yes?) |
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| 22:29:50 | shotofadds | no, there's just one hell of a lot of it. preglow will testify to that... |
| 22:30:33 | amiconn | How does the nand flash block mapping work? |
| 22:30:35 | bluebrother | does someone know if the "Gestalt" value differs between 5.5G 30GB and 60/80GB? |
| 22:30:47 | amiconn | I'd thinkg there must be some index or similar |
| 22:31:07 | shotofadds | I've been reading the OF on and off since around November and still don't get it |
| 22:31:15 | bluebrother | IPL wiki holds those values but they don't distinguish between those two. |
| 22:31:31 | amiconn | shotofadds: I mean for reading (which is supported in rockbox iirc) |
| 22:32:06 | saratoga | isn't the layout of NAND chips standardized? |
| 22:32:07 | shotofadds | amiconn: yeah, there's an index stored, but it appears to contain out-of-date or incorrect entries most of the time. |
| 22:32:11 | shotofadds | nope |
| 22:32:22 | amiconn | So how do you know how the blocks are mapping |
| 22:32:44 | amiconn | *mapped? |
| 22:33:01 | shotofadds | Each physcial block has a marker in the spare section, which says which logical block it represents. That's the easy bit. |
| 22:33:27 | shotofadds | But, there are often multiple copies of the same block, with apparently no easy way to tell which is the "right" version. |
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| 22:34:42 | shotofadds | Recently-written sectors also get stored in a separate block, which we have to keep track of |
| 22:34:45 | amiconn | Understanding the underlying algorithm is the key |
| 22:34:53 | shotofadds | Yep, you said it. |
| 22:35:21 | shotofadds | The current read-only driver is reasonably reliable (I listened to three FLAC albums earlier without trouble) |
| 22:35:29 | amiconn | Unfortunately there is no public implementation of a wear leveling algorithm that I know of |
| 22:36:05 | amiconn | A simulator might be helpful, monitoring what the OF does... |
| 22:36:15 | amiconn | s/simulator/emulator/ |
| 22:36:43 | saratoga | oh wow the scummvm people are hosting a prebuilt gcc compatable WinCE SDL binary |
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| 22:37:02 | saratoga | i wonder if i can link rockbox against it as is |
| 22:37:41 | shotofadds | An emulator would be useful, but wouldn't it be an awful lot of work to implement enough SoC registers to boot the OF? |
| 22:38:14 | amiconn | I have no idea. I only know about the PP emulator (which does enough to boot the e200 of iirc) |
| 22:38:30 | amiconn | I never tried it myself though |
| 22:38:49 | shotofadds | it might be worth looking into, though. don't we have an ARM emulator GSOC project? |
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| 22:39:23 | saratoga | we do |
| 22:39:41 | saratoga | though I wish it's developer would come by here more often so i could ask him about it |
| 22:39:42 | shotofadds | I doubt Telechips SoCs were in scope though... |
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| 22:59:26 | xqtftqx | Guys whats the command to make a delay? |
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| 23:00:36 | domonoky | xqtftqx: rb->sleep(1*HZ) ? |
| 23:00:43 | xqtftqx | thanks |
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| 23:01:55 | xqtftqx | Wil that work in the bootloader? |
| 23:02:16 | domonoky | no, i dont think so.. |
| 23:02:21 | BigBambi | that was for plugins I think |
| 23:02:25 | preglow | d2 wins the award for most enthusiastic replies to a "gentleman" mail ever... |
| 23:02:39 | xqtftqx | dang, i need it to pause at the bootloader |
| 23:02:53 | preglow | "cool, but why not this target..." :P |
| 23:03:09 | domonoky | in the core it would be "sleep()" alone, but i dont know if it works in the bootloader.. maybe better busyloop in the bootloader.. |
| 23:03:12 | * | Bagder agrees with preglow |
| 23:04:03 | preglow | shotofadds: hope to have my dev computer set up again tomorrow to continue coding |
| 23:05:07 | shotofadds | preglow: yeah, we need an SD driver now, to play all those albums... |
| 23:05:23 | preglow | xqtftqx: the bootloader might support sleeps, depending on target. most don't have interrupts set up, so you can't sleep() |
| 23:05:28 | bertrik | did I understand correctly that you have to talk directly to the nand flash chip without any wear leveling controller chip in between? |
| 23:05:39 | preglow | shotofadds: i've gotten my 16 gig card now, so need a driver myself :) |
| 23:05:45 | preglow | bertrik: yup |
| 23:05:48 | shotofadds | bertrik: yeah, that's correct. it's all in software in the OF :/ |
| 23:06:00 | shotofadds | I don't fancy tackling that |
| 23:06:19 | shotofadds | preglow: I need write access to something to store my sound settings :) |
| 23:06:21 | preglow | annoying that even just read-only is such a bitch |
| 23:06:53 | preglow | i hope to have basic sd card read/write going pretty soon |
| 23:06:57 | shotofadds | cracking read should be too hard now. it's close enough that I listed to several FLAC albums earlier. |
| 23:07:01 | preglow | i just need to get my dev stuff set up in my new flat |
| 23:07:03 | shotofadds | preglow: yay! |
| 23:07:47 | preglow | don't "yay too soon" :> i have a tendency towards optimism in these matters, heh |
| 23:07:49 | * | shotofadds thinks someone should reply to his mail with something positive :p |
| 23:08:06 | preglow | shotofadds: distortion gone, btw? |
| 23:08:21 | Earworm | hello hello people... hey, I was wondering, is Rockbox close to become flashed to the Gigabeat ? |
| 23:08:49 | shotofadds | preglow: yeah, the distortion was down to finger trouble typing my WM register setup... |
| 23:08:59 | shotofadds | there's a click/pop problem every few seconds, though |
| 23:09:21 | bluebrother | preglow: let me guess ... SD means only SDIO but no SPI on the D2? |
| 23:09:38 | shotofadds | oh yeah, and sound doesn't start playing for a few seconds. I don't know what's causing that. |
| 23:09:44 | * | shotofadds has to go for a bit. |
| 23:09:49 | preglow | bluebrother: neither, we'll use the ordinary 1/4 bit interface |
| 23:10:03 | preglow | i know nothing about sdio, and little about spi |
| 23:10:13 | bluebrother | oh, but what's the main issue with it then? Unknown SPI interface? |
| 23:10:29 | bertrik | I know nearly nothing about sdio, but I do know about spi and the sd card spi mode commands |
| 23:10:47 | * | bluebrother did SD SPI a year or so back |
| 23:11:09 | preglow | bluebrother: no main issues, i just had trouble having sd cards power up until recently |
| 23:11:14 | preglow | which required some disassembly |
| 23:11:35 | bluebrother | ok |
| 23:12:53 | preglow | why would one use either sdio or spi interfaces, btw? |
| 23:13:10 | Earworm | no ideas hmmm? |
| 23:13:24 | bluebrother | Earworm: no idea what exactly you mean, indeed. |
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| 23:13:33 | Earworm | oh |
| 23:13:35 | markun | Earworm: kkurbjun is working on it, but I don't know how for he is |
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| 23:13:59 | markun | how far |
| 23:14:01 | bluebrother | preglow: SDIO can do other fancy things like attaching wlan interfaces. And it's faster. |
| 23:14:25 | amiconn | I doubt that SDIO is faster than plain SD |
| 23:14:33 | preglow | me too |
| 23:14:34 | bertrik | SPI is popular because it's very easy to interface with a microcontrollers which often have a spi controller already built in |
| 23:14:40 | markun | Earworm: I'll look through my chat log with him |
| 23:14:45 | Earworm | thanks, markun |
| 23:14:50 | preglow | bertrik: in this case we already have an sd card controller built in :) |
| 23:14:52 | amiconn | It uses the same physical interface, just extends it to other stuff than plain block access |
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| 23:15:16 | bluebrother | well, they claim it's faster. Plus, they use four data lines instead of one. |
| 23:15:22 | amiconn | SPI is slower than SD if SD uses 4 (or 8) bits |
| 23:15:33 | amiconn | bluebrother: That has nothing to do with SDIO |
| 23:15:44 | bluebrother | SDIO also can access those security stuff nobody wants ;-) |
| 23:15:45 | amiconn | SD can use 1, 4 or 8 data lines |
| 23:16:14 | bluebrother | huh? How can SD use more than one data line in SPI mode? |
| 23:16:24 | amiconn | Again, nothing to do with SDIO. It's what SD was invented for - it's almost MMC with some (optional) security stuff |
| 23:16:37 | amiconn | bluebrother: SD != SPI mode |
| 23:16:51 | preglow | amiconn: mmc uses 8 lines, not sd |
| 23:16:54 | amiconn | SD can use both SPI or SD protocol |
| 23:16:57 | * | bluebrother was talking about SDIO mode |
| 23:17:04 | amiconn | preglow: MMC can uses 1, 4 or 8 lines, as can SD |
| 23:17:20 | amiconn | (8 lines were added with MMC4.0 and higher) |
| 23:17:30 | preglow | amiconn: really? i've never seen it mentioned in the sd spec |
| 23:17:31 | markun | Earworm: can't find any recent progress in my logs. I'll ask him when I see him online. Perhaps he could put something about his work in the wiki. |
| 23:17:56 | amiconn | bluebrother: SDIO isn't a transfer mode, it's a logical extension of what you can use the SD protocol for |
| 23:18:52 | Earworm | cool markun, thanks for the info... |
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| 23:20:34 | bluebrother | still, how can you use more than one data line in SPI mode? |
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| 23:22:04 | amiconn | You can't |
| 23:22:19 | bluebrother | good. |
| 23:22:24 | amiconn | preglow: Seems you're right and SD didn't add 8-bit |
| 23:22:47 | preglow | amiconn: good, just not another case of me overlooking something, then :) |
| 23:23:04 | amiconn | bluebrother: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#SDIO YOu can do SDIO over SPI. It's even mandatory for SDIO cards to support SPU |
| 23:23:20 | amiconn | preglow: That means MMC4.0 can be faster than SD |
| 23:23:21 | xqtftqx | is mknkboot command like this mknkboot <rockbox bootloader> <orginal bootloader> <multiboot> |
| 23:23:27 | preglow | amiconn: indeed |
| 23:23:34 | preglow | amiconn: too bad about the capacity issue, though |
| 23:23:40 | amiconn | ? |
| 23:23:49 | bluebrother | I'm already reading that page ... |
| 23:23:52 | amiconn | MMC4.2 added block addressing |
| 23:23:56 | preglow | amiconn: transfer speeds are limited by the nand itself too, though |
| 23:23:59 | amiconn | Same limit as SDHC then |
| 23:24:21 | preglow | amiconn: oh? i thought the mmc standard didn't allow for cards bigger than 4 gigs yet |
| 23:24:21 | * | bluebrother mixed up SDIO and SD mode |
| 23:24:29 | bluebrother | stupid abbreviations |
| 23:24:58 | amiconn | It's just that MMCs >4GB seem to exist only as engineering samples, for almost 2 years now... :( |
| 23:25:07 | xqtftqx | Is it? |
| 23:25:12 | preglow | amiconn: i wonder why |
| 23:25:20 | BigBambi | xqtftqx: ./mknkboot nk_orig.bin nk_rockbox.bin nk_dual.bin |
| 23:25:31 | amiconn | preglow: E.g. http://www.microdia.com/ebiz/jsp/site/product_details.jsp?ccode=000003100011100&pcode=216 |
| 23:26:02 | xqtftqx | thanks bigbambi |
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| 23:26:06 | amiconn | SO far I haven't found such a card in a shop. Samsung also announed 8GB MMCs ... |
| 23:26:10 | BigBambi | xqtftqx: It tells you here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSInfo#Step_1 |
| 23:26:34 | xqtftqx | I know just wanted to verify |
| 23:26:49 | xqtftqx | and i dont need anything to do the multiboot besides mknkboot correct? |
| 23:27:03 | BigBambi | It tells you right underneath what <firmware file> means |
| 23:27:26 | BigBambi | xqtftqx: and some way of getting the output nk.bin on the player |
| 23:27:34 | xqtftqx | ok |
| 23:27:48 | xqtftqx | i can copy it onto the firmware partion right? |
| 23:27:56 | BigBambi | yes |
| 23:28:03 | xqtftqx | ok thanks |
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| 23:29:00 | preglow | amiconn: still seems weird they aren't released yet. the technical challenges should be no bigger than for sdhc cards, and they've been out in 8gb++ editions for ages |
| 23:30:05 | amiconn | yeah |
| 23:30:19 | * | amiconn would like to implement MMC4.2 support for the Ondio... |
| 23:31:56 | * | preglow should buy himself a 2 gig sd card to experiment on before using his 16 gig sd card... |
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