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#rockbox log for 2008-06-22

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02:33:16Davide-NYCHello all. How goes it?
02:33:32Mikachuyou really want everyone in here to respond? :)
02:33:36Davide-NYCI was wondering what the GigabeatS status is?
02:34:14*Davide-NYC the dry heat is killer in here/
02:34:33Davide-NYCTo clarify: Is the wiki up to date?
02:37:57Davide-NYCAnd what exactly is missing before the gigabeatS can be considered a supported target.
02:39:14JdGordonan idiot proof installer...
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02:41:06Davide-NYCJdGordon: really? that's it? I'm suspicious. If that is the case I'm going to attempt the install tonight
02:41:29JdGordoni dont know what else is missing... but im pretty sure thats one big thing
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02:46:56Davide-NYCof course, the current install is a little difficult. I was just wondering what else the devs thought was missing. A dual-boot option would be cool. I find the OF to be one of the least crap on the GBS.
02:47:17Davide-NYCespecially comapred to the GBFX OF.
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02:53:38MU{lappy}i actually kind of miss the multiple now-playing screens feature of the OF. aside from being MTP-only, the GBS OF is pretty non-crap IMO. oh, and no gapless, vorbis, aac, i'm sure i could list more. ;)
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03:14:25Davide-NYCOK, question about current state of Rockbox on GigabeatS: in the wiki it ssays "NOTE: The battery will not charge when connected in Bootloader USB Mode." but the battery will charge if I simply plug in the charger correct?
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03:15:11Davide-NYCI presume so otherwise we'd need some sort of functioning dual-boot scenario. Or am I missing somethign obvious.
03:15:58JdGordoniirc it sowaftre charges... so no... it wont charge unless its "on"
03:16:08JdGordonbest to wait for jhMikeS or someone though
03:17:05Davide-NYCOh I see, iy will not charge in bootloader disk mode but will charge if in rockbox USB disk mode or in rockbox player mode
03:17:24*Davide-NYC why is my typing even worse than usual today?
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03:24:07wastreli live in brooklyn
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03:38:17Davide-NYChaving never built a bootloader before I have the following question: should I build the GBS bootloader in it's own directory?
03:39:23Davide-NYCOr should I just use the Rockbox Gigabeat S bootloader built from SVN r17497 that is provided on the wiki?
03:39:59JdGordonuse the one on the wiki....
03:41:42JdGordonthats always the safest answer
03:41:58Davide-NYCJdGordon: can you explain the bootloader.bin file that is provided in the zip?
03:42:16JdGordonno, I dont know anything about the beast
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03:42:30Davide-NYCthanks for your help thus far.
03:42:34Davide-NYCjhMikeS: ping
03:43:49JdGordondont you have to remove the hard disk to install rockbox on it?
03:46:27Davide-NYCJdGordon: wait, really? what makes you say that?
03:46:57JdGordoni seem to remember something along those lines
03:47:08Davide-NYCI hope you are mistaken
03:47:42Davide-NYCotherwise I'm going to have to do something else with my evening
03:48:35JdGordonwanna help make sure all the supplied .wps work with the conditional viewport patch?
03:49:37jhMikeSDavide-NYC: yo
03:49:52Davide-NYCJdGordon: maybe explain what it entails exactly
03:50:09Davide-NYCjhMikeS: hey, I'm attempting a Gigabeast install and there is some confusion
03:50:19Davide-NYCcan you help or is it a bad time?
03:50:24jhMikeSit's fine
03:50:43Davide-NYCOK, is there any reason I should have to remove the HDD (i use windows)
03:51:00jhMikeSfor an S install? no way.
03:51:16JdGordondid you used to need to remove the disk?
03:51:17Davide-NYC2: should I compile my own bootlader or should I use the one provided on the wiki?
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03:51:23jhMikeSJdGordon: never
03:51:57jhMikeSDavide-NYC: there's no safety issue with that so you can use whatever version.
03:52:26JdGordonhmm... ok
03:52:29jhMikeSif it doesn't work, you just use a different one, recover if necessary
03:52:51Davide-NYCOK. 2b: having never compiled a BL, should I use a separate build directory or is there some reason the bootloader should be compiled in the build directory
03:53:10Davide-NYC*separate bootloader directory
03:53:20*Davide-NYC damn my typing is aweful!
03:53:31jhMikeSI usually do rockbox/builds/gigabeat-s-b/n/d etc. and configure independently
03:54:07Davide-NYCso bootloader, normal and debug?
03:54:36Davide-NYC3: can you explain the mknkboot procedure for dual-booting?
03:54:51Davide-NYCI'm looking at the readme file and am very curious
03:56:27jhMikeSmknkboot nk.bin bootloader/bootloader.bin nk-rb.bin, nk.bin=original firmware, bootloade.bin=the bootloader raw binary, nk-rb.bin=combined binary
03:57:16jhMikeS'nk-rb.bin' should be renamed 'nk.bin' before copying it to the device of course
03:57:57Davide-NYCso if I use the renamed nk-rb.bin instead of the provided nk.bin what do I get? I mean what behavior can I expect?
03:58:55jhMikeSusing the combined one just boots OF when the hold switch is on otherwise rockbox
03:59:33jhMikeSthe nk.bin from the 'make' command is just plain rockbox
03:59:52Davide-NYCright. I'm clear on the bootloaders.
04:00:14Davide-NYCQuestion 4: can I fix my Gigabeat's partition table using cygwin?
04:00:52jhMikeSyou only need to fix that if using linux in which case I don't know the procedure
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04:01:39Davide-NYCthe procedure for linux is in the wiki. So you're saying I do not need to worry about the boot flag as windows is indifferent to it?
04:01:52jhMikeSyou might actually want to force recovery mode first otherwise you may have to do it later if the bootloader doesn't find rockbox.gigabeat
04:02:28Davide-NYCplease tell me how to get into recovery mode
04:02:32Davide-NYC(not in wiki)
04:02:47jhMikeSit sure is :)
04:03:20Davide-NYCah, on the other page. I'm looking at the GigabeatSInstallation page
04:03:22jhMikeSwhile booting from poweroff: hold window+cross-left
04:04:22Davide-NYCoh man, all kinds of info on the GigabeatSInfo page. These pages should be combined or cleaned up.
04:07:11jhMikeS'tis a wiki ;)
04:07:47Davide-NYCI'm not touching those pages until I'm well into a week with a working RB install on my beast.
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04:10:18MU{lappy}it works fine, aside from the charging issue. and being touchy about first install sometimes.
04:10:42MU{lappy}syncing vs WMP fixes that for me, so if you're using windows, you'll hopefully never have that problem
04:16:22jhMikeSthe charging issue should be a non-issue soon. some hardware verification was needed as well as the fact that the increased current settings seem to have paradoxical results
04:29:01Davide-NYCquestion 5: can I use sendfirm in cygwin or should I use the batch file and the modified gigabeatV updater?
04:30:25Davide-NYCnote that there are conflicting instructions across the two wiki pages that baffle somewhat
04:30:35jhMikeSthere's a windows version of sendfirm I made but it sucks to use because of the fact you need lib-USB junk installed first
04:31:39wastreli keep losing my sansa cable
04:34:47scorche|shand what does that have to do with rockbox?
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05:08:32Davide-NYCjust wanted to announce that I have Rockbox running on my Gigabeat S thanks to jhMikeS 's help!
05:08:39Davide-NYCw00t \o/
05:08:49wastrelplay some jewels
05:08:55wastreli like that one and bubbles.
05:09:22Davide-NYCI mod my SOURCES file to exclude all games
05:12:01Davide-NYCJdGordon: what did you need?
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05:16:29Davide-NYCButton mapping are funky on the GBS. What to do with all of these buttons!?
05:20:25JdGordonDavide-NYC: patch with fs#9027 and try out the themes and make sure the wps look alright
05:21:09Davide-NYCwatch out! the rockbox default theme corrupts the display something aweful
05:21:23Davide-NYCJdGordon: is this target specific?
05:21:40JdGordonno, all targets need testing
05:22:29Davide-NYCcan I do it in the sim>
05:22:37Davide-NYC'cause I only have 3 targets
05:24:35jhMikeSDavide-NYC: say what? I never get corrupt anything?
05:24:41JdGordonarg, found the bug i've been chasing for a while :)
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05:25:36LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC: Ahoy there!
05:25:40Davide-NYCjhMikeS: easy man. If you go into settings−−>theme settings−−> Browse Themes−−>Rockbox Default
05:25:46Davide-NYCLambdaCalculus37: oi
05:25:53jhMikeSThe old default?
05:26:04LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC: How goes with your beast? :)
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05:26:30Davide-NYCif you select the wps in the file browser it loads, but the whole theme is broken
05:26:48Davide-NYCLambdaCalculus37: as of 5 minutes ago it goes!
05:26:57jhMikeSI see icons but the fonts are scrambled
05:27:07LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Let me see on mine.
05:27:33Davide-NYCthe icons are there but all else is 'psychedelic' I'm sure it says something... I'm just not 'open' enough to read it
05:27:53LambdaCalculus37Weird... works fine on mine.
05:28:05Davide-NYCif you switch from the theme menu? only happens when switching to it from cabbie2 but not from iCatcher
05:28:45LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Strange, it still works here, even when switching from cabbie2.
05:29:13jhMikeSI think that happens if the theme doesn't specify a font or something
05:29:21Davide-NYChow do I get out of this?
05:29:42jhMikeSjust click right twice to pick the first ones in the list
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05:31:20luxunhelldragon nice nick
05:32:00LambdaCalculus37luxun: Hi. Please type /topic and read what you see, please.
05:32:14Davide-NYCJdGordon: so which version of the patch am I testing?
05:32:19LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC: Got it back to normal?
05:32:32luxuni see my dick inside your mom's vagina
05:32:39luxunmaybe its upside down
05:32:51LambdaCalculus37luxun: I beg your pardon?
05:32:51*Davide-NYC hugs the ignore switch
05:33:13luxuni do not give pardons to niggers
05:33:37luxunlisp tard
05:33:39luxunepic fail
05:34:29luxunlisp sux!
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05:36:23lullideathwhat lisp are you talking about?? the programming language?
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05:39:15Davide-NYCLambdaCalculus37: when you installed RB on your GBS, did you use Lib-USB or did you use the patched gigabeat updater?
05:39:57LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC: Actually, I compiled the bootloader from SVN, and used mknkboot to combine it with an original nk.bin.
05:40:21scorche|shluxun: that wont happen again
05:40:48LambdaCalculus37You can also use the sendfirm tool in utils/MTP.
05:41:12luxunwhat my dick in your ass? maybe i like yer ass
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05:41:42luxunas long as you're not wearing rapex
05:41:46*jhMikeS hands scorche an extra boot
05:41:47luxuni see no problem...
05:42:00Mode"#rockbox +o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
05:42:01Davide-NYCwhat I'm getting at is that there are two wiki pages with different install instructions and I'm thinking that the install instructions need to be removed from the info page and the install page need a clean-up
05:42:02*LambdaCalculus37 hands scorche a cricket bat
05:42:05Mode"#rockbox +b *!*i=luxun@gateway/tor/x-7cc3564068fbd0bf " by scorche|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
05:42:06Kick(#rockbox luxun :scorche|sh) by scorche|sh!n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche
05:42:34*Davide-NYC hands scorche whatever he needs in order to make that as permanent as possible
05:42:45LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC: You're running Windows, right? So I'm going to figure you've got Cygwin as well.
05:43:21Mode"#rockbox -b+b *!*i=luxun@gateway/tor/x-7cc3564068fbd0bf *!*=luxun@gateway/tor* " by scorche|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
05:43:24scorche|shthats a bit better
05:43:26*jhMikeS sees lisp is pretty messy but that should be taken up with Ron Rivest
05:43:35Mode"#rockbox -o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
05:43:42LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Lisp has no place here. ;)
05:43:57*LambdaCalculus37 switches to Windows mode for a moment to help Davide-NYC
05:44:10Davide-NYCI have RB running on the GBS just fine now. No help needed. :)
05:44:22Davide-NYCI'm talking about cleaning up the wiki
05:44:23LambdaCalculus37Ahh. :)
05:44:28*LambdaCalculus37 goes back to Linux mode
05:44:39Davide-NYCOne day I will join the ranks
05:44:46lullideathfuck Windows
05:44:53*Davide-NYC sighs
05:45:37LambdaCalculus37lullideath: Oi! Keep it on topic!
05:45:40scorche|shlullideath: that isnt needed
05:45:52lullideathi don't know you guys... o_o are you all new here??
05:46:08scorche|share you looking to follow luxun's example?
05:46:20LambdaCalculus37Or are you going to behave?
05:46:48lullideathi haven't been here for a week or so
05:47:14Davide-NYCso Lambda, we have GigabeatSInfo and GigabeatSInstallation. In my opinion we should extract all installation information from info and putu it all in installation. Then clean up and possibly unify the procedure
05:48:03Davide-NYCCurrently it's hella confusing
05:48:05LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC: Yes, agreed. There is some installation discussion on GigabeatSInfo that should really go into GigabeatSInstallation.
05:48:31Davide-NYCOK, I'm going to tackle it tomorrow unless someone beats me to it ;-)
05:48:39LambdaCalculus37So merging all install info onto the one page is best. And GigabeatSInfo can be used as a hardware info page.
05:49:06jhMikeSDavide-NYC: Perhaps instructions with pictures for using the windows sendfirm? :)
05:49:11*LambdaCalculus37 will let Davide-NYC have some wiki editing fun, then
05:49:15Davide-NYCstep two is to create a clearer install procedure
05:49:16lullideathdamn, i am so sorry, i shouldn't be here!!!!!
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05:49:25*Davide-NYC urghh
05:49:27LambdaCalculus37Davide-NYC: Hey, jhMikeS has a good idea!
05:49:37Davide-NYCwill do this tomorrow
05:49:39LambdaCalculus37Why not get a couple of screencaps?
05:49:44Davide-NYCwill do
05:49:51Davide-NYCbut tomorrow
05:49:53Davide-NYCgood noght
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05:51:07LambdaCalculus37Hope Davide-NYC saves some wiki editing for me... ;)
05:51:34jhMikeSshould I put up the windows sendfirm? I'm not sure what should be provided re: the libUSB drivers in there. hmmm.
05:51:59LambdaCalculus37That's a toughie...
05:52:37LambdaCalculus37On the one hand, the Windows crowd will have it easier to install Rockbox on their beasts...
05:52:44LambdaCalculus37On the other hand...
05:52:52*LambdaCalculus37 looks at his other hand
05:52:57jhMikeSThe source for that is rather a messed-up jumble since libMTP was butchered a bit to make it work
05:54:31LambdaCalculus37I'm sure some brave soul could help fix it.
05:55:23LambdaCalculus37Oh yes... still have to fix the last bit of LCD corruption for 4G iPod colors.
05:57:08jhMikeSIIRC linuxstb was doing a native windows MTP version...wonder what happened to that...
05:57:53LambdaCalculus37Gotta pester him about it, I guess. :)
05:58:27LambdaCalculus37Anyway, I did fix two out of three issues with the 4G iPod color LCD corruptions.
05:58:42LambdaCalculus37The last one is fixing Mpegplayer so that colors are displayed correctly.
05:59:18*jhMikeS has no idea what those are
05:59:53LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Whole thing started here:
06:00:04*LambdaCalculus37 yawns
06:00:17LambdaCalculus37I think I'll handle some more bug hunting later. Night, all!
06:00:27*LambdaCalculus37 picks up his teddy bear and trods off to bed
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07:24:59agaffneyI encountered a weird issue earlier
07:25:12agaffneymy sansa was playing the song that it said was next
07:25:20agaffneyand it kept doing that when I went to the next song
07:25:36agaffneybut it seems to have fixed itself when the song ended naturally
07:25:48agaffneyI couldn't play with it much as I was driving at the time :P
07:26:33agaffneythis is with a build from r17732
07:27:12agaffneyanyone know if that's a known issue?
07:28:24MarcGuayI haven't seen anything in the tracker. Can you think of what caused it to get into that state?
07:28:46agaffneyI turned it on, hit play, and hit next a few times
07:28:55agaffneyI don't recall if it was in that state to begin with
07:29:14MarcGuayI seem to remember a problem a while back with the playlist getting out of sync with the playback...
07:29:50agaffneymy wife was in the car changing songs
07:29:56agaffneyso I don't know exactly what she did
07:30:07agaffneyshe might have hit the next button twice really fast or something
07:30:56agaffneywell, that's odd
07:31:06agaffneynow it's not showing anything under "Next song"
07:31:13agaffneyor it shows something briefly and then disappears
07:31:27MarcGuayI guess if it happens again (and you're not driving :)) see if you can reproduce it... Okay..
07:31:44MarcGuayI figure I typed it already, wasn't going to delete all that.
07:32:41MarcGuayUsing cabbiev2?
07:33:34agaffneyit's the only theme that looks presentable :P
07:34:23MarcGuayHave you rebooted and tried to get it to happen again?
07:39:22MarcGuayDo you have both Shuffle and Auto-Change Directory on?
07:39:29agaffneyshuffle is on
07:39:33agaffneynot sure about auto-change directory
07:39:45agaffneyit's charging now, so it's in the stock firmware
07:40:24MarcGuaySettings->Playback-Auto-Change Directory. Check it out, I just experienced some weirdness similar to what you're describing with both of those settings on.
07:40:40MarcGuayWhen you have time, of course. I'm off for the eve....
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09:44:56karli've got a 30gig ipod and just installed rockbox on it with bootloader and all. Now it just sits at the boot screen with an Apple and continuously reboots. Any ideas?
09:47:09JdGordondid you put the 32mb build on? or the 64mb one?
09:47:49karl32 bit binary
09:47:54karli used for the bootloader
09:47:59karli used the 30gb rockbox image
09:48:53JdGordonnot 32bit... 32mb RAM version...
09:49:45JdGordonah dont worry... its the 60/80 one which has a 64mb version...
09:49:47karli go to and only see one link for 30gb lipod
09:50:09JdGordonis it still connected to usb?
09:50:19karli disconnected it and reconnected it
09:50:22karldid the same thing
09:50:32karlput it in disk mode, which is where i'm at now
09:51:22JdGordondisconnect and do a menu+select reset?
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09:51:38karltried that and it didn't do anything
09:51:48*JdGordon out of ideas...
09:51:55karli'm just going to try doing it again
09:51:58JdGordonLlorean: help him out?
09:52:18karldoes it have to be unmounted when i run ipod patcher?
09:55:13JdGordonyou shouldnt have mounted the firmware partition...
09:55:27karli don't have it mounted
09:55:39karlor, i mount /dev/sdd2, which has the Contacts and Calendars folder
09:55:51karlhow else would i extract the rockbox files onto it?
09:59:16JdGordon2 sepeartae things... the bootloader goes onto the firmware partition with ipodpatcher... gets extracted onto the main partition
09:59:31karli never mounted the firmware partition
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09:59:42karli tried, but didn't know the firmware type, so i said screw it
09:59:50karlerr, the filesystem type
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10:04:46karlcool got it working
10:05:08karlwent through the process this time and made sure that the primary partition wasn't mounted
10:05:15karli don't know if that was the issue, but it works now
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10:14:16FenrirHey, I just tried downloading rockbox to my Gigabeat F40. Followed the instructions, installed it, unplugged it from the USB port, turned it off, turned it back on, and it's still running the original Gigabeat firmware. Can't get it to run rockbox.
10:16:07FenrirAny ideas?
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10:57:22eminn3mis it possible to read ratings from tags?
10:58:02eminn3mor to somehow insert ratings into the runtime db
11:00:05Slasheriyes, using the changelog export/import feature
11:01:03Slasheriit will generate an ascii file containing all metadata stored in the db. You can then modify that and import it back into the db
11:01:32eminn3mwhere do I find the changelog export/import feature?
11:02:03Slasherithat should be under the db submenu. export/import modifications or something like that
11:02:18Slasheriit should create /.rockbox/database_changelog.txt
11:03:32eminn3mso first I export it then on my computer manually edit it and then import it?
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11:04:03Slasheribasically yes. probably you want to do some automatic editing in future
11:04:18eminn3mhow would I do automatic editing?
11:04:43Slasherithat depends what you want to do with the file :) but you need some programming for that
11:05:08eminn3mall I want is for the ratings that I enter in foobar to be read by rockbox
11:05:23Slasheriif you are using windows, be sure to open the file using wordpad (notepad scrambles the line feeds)
11:05:57Slasherihmm, i have no idea where foobar stores the ratings
11:06:56eminn3mit makes a tag RATING on the file
11:07:11eminn3mand enters a number 1-5 for the rating
11:07:44Slasherihmm, then it should be possible to make rockbox read that tag. however, updating it by rockbox would be more difficult
11:08:07eminn3mI'm more interested in having it read it than anything else
11:08:20eminn3mhow would I get it to read the tag?
11:09:42Slasherihmm, what type of files do you have tagged with the RATING-tag?
11:09:51eminn3mmostly mp3's
11:10:30eminn3ma few flac and ogg's but so few that I don't care about them as much
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11:12:09Slasheriwould you mind sending one copy of each different type of files to me? I could try adding that tag to the parsers at sometime
11:12:19eminn3mof course
11:12:21eminn3mone second
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11:12:55Buschelfast enough now :-)
11:13:06Slasherinice :)
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11:15:42Slasheri12:15 [freenode] DCC can't connect to port 1024
11:15:51Slasherieminn3m: hmm, it doesn't seem to work
11:16:03eminn3mthat's strange
11:16:15eminn3mshould I upload them and send them that way
11:16:23Slasheriyou have a wrong IP
11:16:33Slashericorrect should be
11:17:09Slasheritry to update that to the irc client settings
11:17:35eminn3mo ok
11:18:12eminn3mthat was the one entered in local info
11:18:35eminn3mlookup method is set to server
11:18:45eminn3mshould it be normal?
11:18:46Slasherijust replace it with the correct one or leave it empty. then it probably should work
11:19:08Slasheriprobably, but i have no idea what client you are using
11:20:17Slasherieminn3m: still the same ip
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11:20:18bluebrothersomeone with Ipod 5.5G / 5G around? I'd be interested if the "gestalt" value differs between 32MiB and 64MiB models
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11:20:36eminn3mI have an ipod 5.5g
11:21:06eminn3mdo you want me to check something for you
11:21:14bluebrothercan you check that value for me? It's the key boardHwSwInterfaceRev in the file /iPod_Control/Device/SysInfo on the Ipod
11:22:58eminn3mI opened sysinfo with notepad and it's empty
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11:23:14eminn3mI just recently restored my ipod
11:23:29bluebrotherhave you booted the apple firmware at least once?
11:23:49eminn3monce I think lemme try again
11:24:26bluebrotherthat file should contain several key:value pairs (according to IPL wiki, and it does on my mini)
11:25:30eminn3mI just booted the apple firmware but there's no songs put on with itunes
11:25:51eminn3mone second I'll check if there's anything
11:26:05eminn3mya sysinfo is still 0kb
11:26:21bluebrotherinteresting. Maybe I should ask at IPL
11:27:18eminn3mit's probably only because I just restored my ipod
11:28:18bluebrotherpossible. I'll wait if someone else can check that for me.
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11:31:00eminn3mI even tried transferring songs with itunes, loading apple firmware then reconnecting it in apple mode
11:31:03eminn3mand still 0kb
11:31:52eminn3mSlasheri: what should I use to send you the files
11:32:00eminn3msince mirc doesn't seem to be working
11:32:11bluebrotherstrange. But thanks for looking.
11:32:27eminn3mno problem
11:32:34Slasherieminn3m: did you check you have the correct ip in the settings now? because it still tried with the wrong one..
11:33:14Slasheriyou could also send the files by email miipekk at or upload in some place
11:33:18eminn3mconnect > local info right?
11:33:35Slasherii suppose, if that is the only place where the local address is listed
11:34:55eminn3mstill bad?
11:34:56Slasherieminn3m: it still didn't change. maybe you have to restart the client
11:35:17Slasheriit still was the same
11:35:30eminn3misn't that what it's sposed to be set to?
11:35:43eminn3mwhat's the correct one?
11:36:06eminn3m"> you have a wrong IP
11:36:06eminn3m<Slasheri> correct should be
11:36:11Slasheri/whois eminn3m and then nslookup
11:36:16Slashericorrect is
11:36:28Slasheri12:16 < Slasheri> correct should be
11:36:40Slasherihehe, i don't know where did you get that one :)
11:38:01Slasheriok, now you have the correct one but probably you have a firewall blocking the dcc. just use the email :)
11:38:24eminn3mthe ip you wrote as correct is the one you wrote as incorrect
11:39:01Slasheriit can't be.. or then your mirc was changing the ip for you
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11:41:24eminn3mno firewall but I'll just send a different way
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11:45:40eminn3mok it's uploading I'll be back
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11:51:42eminn3mso just clarifying, as of now there's no way for rockbox to read RATING tags but I'm sending you files with the tag on it so you can see if you can find away for it to read the tags>
11:55:34eminn3mSlasheri:I've emailed the files to you if you didn't get it here's the link to download them
11:57:36Slasherieminn3m: i got them, thanks!
11:58:26Slasherieminn3m: yes, correct. i will try to have some time and look into implementing reading the rating tag directly into the db
11:58:42eminn3mthat would be AMAZING
11:58:46eminn3mthanks so much
11:59:09eminn3mok I'm off to bed have a gnight
11:59:22Slasherii am just waking up :)
11:59:32eminn3mwow early riser
11:59:35eminn3meast coast?
11:59:47Slasherieurope, finland :)
12:00:07eminn3moo lol good day in that case
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14:20:33wpyhthe bubbles plugin's main menu is not so intuitive to use
14:21:09wpyhI would like to change it to a list-menu type, with items like "Level Select", "Start Game" "Continue Saved Game", "High Scores", etc
14:21:14wpyhis anyone opposed to the idea?
14:23:47peturthe best thing would be for all plugins to use the same kind of menu for the user
14:24:26wpyhI think different games would have it's own plugin, since the game dynamics are different
14:24:35wpyhuh... do you mean a template-kind of thing?
14:25:53bluebrotherwe already have a menu system. Some plugins already use it, most (?) don't.
14:26:17wpyhthen what we have to do is just convert the bubbles plugin to use that menu system?
14:27:30bluebrotherfrom my knowledge, yes. But I'm not familiar with that part of the code.
14:27:53wpyhwell, if that's true then it'd be much easier :)
14:28:41*petur checks the tracker for a patch :p
14:29:06wpyhpetur: I checked, didn't find any regarding bubbles (except for that reversed scrollwheel...)
14:29:34peturI was checking it for your patch :p
14:30:04wpyhno, I haven't started yet :p
14:30:51wpyhbut as bluebrother suggested, we can potentially use the existing menu system for plugins
14:32:14wpyhoh, and btw one more thing
14:32:19wpyhregarding languages
14:33:23wpyhdo we support languages with a space (' ') character in it? I guess not, so what do we replace it with?
14:33:26bluebrothersolitaire for example seems to use it.
14:33:48bluebrotherlanguages with a space? You mean language names?
14:33:50wpyhI'm interested in updating/doing the Indonesian translation, but it's "Bahasa Indonesia" -> "bahasa indonesia.lang", and make chokes on it
14:33:55wpyhyes, language names
14:34:02bluebrotherI'd use an _
14:34:05wpyhcurrently in my local tree I named it bahasa-indonesia.lang
14:34:24wpyhok, I can rename it to bahasa_indonesia.lang
14:34:48wpyhbut there's this portugues-brasileiro.lang (I don't know how it is related to portugues.lang), so... what's the standard here?
14:36:14peturif there's already one, follow the example ;)
14:38:24wpyhI'd go with the status quo of bahasa-indonesia then :)
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14:47:44wpyhbtw, are there any plans to tidy up the code in svn?
14:48:56bluebrothertidy up what code?
14:50:16wpyhI get messages like these when compiling the BL:
14:50:30wpyh(that's randomly copied and pasted from a long list of messages...)
14:51:14Bagderwpyh: that's probably because you didn't have gcc in your path when you ran configure
14:51:24Bagderthus you didn't get the "correct" set of compiler options
14:51:36bluebrotherI don't get any warning when building, and if warnings exist they should show up in the build server log
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14:54:12voltagexMK8007GAH is in the H340 now
14:54:43wpyhum... let me try again
14:55:10MikachuBagder: did you see my message?
14:55:22Bagderhm, no
14:55:39Bagdermidkay: where and when?
14:55:41Mikachu<Mikachu> Bagder: hi, i don't remember if it's you who handles the dns stuff, but i lost my domain, so could you (or the right person) change it cname for to
14:55:44wpyhnow I get no such warnings :)
14:55:53wpyhbtw does it affect the generated code?
14:55:58*Bagder didn't mean to type midkay...
14:56:03Bagderwpyh: no
14:56:10wpyhok, thanks
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14:57:30wpyhbtw, that's another reason why we should get the correct PATH setting automatically
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14:58:06Bagdergetting it done automatically is a huge can of worms
14:58:20Bagderbut do provide a patch if you think you're up to it
14:58:39wpyhI'll try
14:58:48*wpyh is not sure he's up to it
15:01:12voltagexerr.. is the MK8007GAH slightly thicker than the 4006?
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15:01:41wpyhvoltagex: look at the last three characters
15:01:57wpyhthe GAH is 8 mm thick
15:02:11wpyhfor the 4006 we would have to see whether it's GAL or GAH
15:02:28voltagexwpyh: is it written on the actual drive?
15:02:33voltagexor only in its firmware?
15:02:39wpyhyes, it's written on the drive
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15:02:53wpyhalso, the ATA identify output should contain it
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15:02:58wpyhwell, then it's also 8mm thick
15:03:17voltagexwpyh: the ata output isn't great when the drive is totally busted :(
15:03:35wpyhoh :p
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15:03:51wpyhso, you're installing RB on the 80GB drive?
15:03:58voltagexwpyh: already done and booted
15:04:16wpyhso it's a 512-byte sector drive
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15:04:23voltagexonly casualty was the plastic faceplate :(
15:04:42voltagexwpyh: wouldn't have a clue sorry
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15:05:09wpyhnever mind... ;) I'm just into such things because my disk has 1024-byte sectors
15:06:07gevaertswpyh: how can you ever get the PATH setting automatically ?
15:06:22wpyhgevaerts: we set it in a file
15:06:27wpyhthen the other files source it
15:06:49wpyhfor example, tools/ contains a "dlwhere" and "prefix" variables
15:07:04wpyhthose are for downloading the cross compiler tools afaik
15:07:17wpyhwe can move at least the prefix out, and then put it into a file
15:07:31wpyhum... maybe, configure and makefiles would source it
15:07:46wpyhthen we have a correct path
15:07:51Bagdersource it where?
15:07:54gevaertsWhere would you put that file ?
15:08:01wpyhI would put it in tools/
15:08:12Bagderin the source dir?
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15:08:19gevaertsSo how does that work for people with more than one svn checkout ?
15:08:28Bagderand multiple gcc builds
15:08:32wpyhum, in the tools/ directory
15:09:08wpyhgevaerts: what do you mean by "more than one svn checkout"? do you mean in the same directory or in different directories?
15:09:20gevaertsDifferent directories of course
15:09:35*gevaerts currently has 5
15:09:39wpyhBagder: for multiple gcc builds, the user can edit the tools/ file
15:09:42Bagderand also, people will wipe their source dirs often anyway
15:09:47Bagderbut still keep the gcc install
15:10:08BagderI think it would have to be put outside of the build and source dirs
15:10:10wpyhgevaerts: well, for different svn checkout directories it's good actually, since each can have its own gcc build
15:10:17Bagderpossibly $HOME/ or so
15:10:26wpyhBagder: looks like I misunderstood your question :p
15:10:33bluebrotherthe only sane way is to put a file in /etc/profile.d/ or similar −− if you installed globally.
15:10:43wpyhBagder: putting it in $HOME/ is a good idea :)
15:11:24bluebrotheror use ~/.config/ −− rbutil uses that path ;-)
15:11:38wpyhI don't think /etc/profile.d is a good idea though..
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15:11:49*gevaerts agrees
15:12:00wpyhbluebrother: great :) we can use that too: ~/.config/
15:12:09bluebrotherwhy not? It's a bad idea if you installed the compiler somewhere in your $HOME, yes.
15:12:16bluebrotherbut I prefer to have the compiler in /usr/local.
15:12:27*gevaerts has it somewhere in $HOME ;)
15:12:31wpyhbluebrother: in my case it's in /tmp/rbdev-usr
15:12:47gevaertsIn /tmp ?
15:12:53*gevaerts tuns away screaming
15:12:57wpyhgevaerts: yes... why?
15:13:12Galoisoh yeah? my compiler is installed under /dev
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15:13:49*wpyh joins bluebrother and gevaerts upon hearing about Galois' setup
15:14:08*gevaerts seriously doubts Galois' seriousness here
15:14:16*BigBambi suspects Galois is using a healthy dose of sarcasm
15:14:38wpyhoh no... looks like I'm being kidded again −− but it's off topic anyway
15:14:52wpyhthe reason I put it in /tmp is because it's the default (IIRC)
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15:15:15gevaertsdefault is /usr/local/something
15:15:15wpyhand because I don't use it to compile anything other than RB
15:15:30wpyhgevaerts: yeah? I must've mixed up then :p
15:15:43bluebrother /tmp/rb-something is default for the build folder, not for the installation
15:17:12wpyhlet's see... yeah, the default is /usr/local, sorry
15:17:32wpyhbut since I don't have sudo then, I modified it to /tmp/rbdev-usr
15:17:48*bluebrother goes screaming
15:17:50wpyhthat's why no one seems to be having the same problems I have :p
15:18:14*Bagder never sudos...
15:18:32*bluebrother neither :D
15:18:46BigBambiBagder: you log in as root? :)
15:18:50wpyhthen how do you install to /usr/local? (without logging in as root of course)
15:18:59Bagderno, I su - when I wanna do something as root
15:19:20BigBambi@ wpyh - I know what su is :)
15:20:23wpyhBigBambi: didn't mean to say that −− I completely forgot about su :p
15:25:16wpyhso, back here
15:26:02wpyhI think it would be better to have the cross compilers (for me) in $HOME/rockbox-tools
15:26:24wpyhand I think a lot of people would do the same, not installing the tools directly in their $PATH
15:26:32wpyhso we need to find a way to set $PATH automatically
15:26:50wpyhone good idea is to use $HOME/.config/ −− does anyone object to that?
15:27:21wpyhif no one does, then we need to think how we want to implement it −− since it should work for both shell scripts and makefiles
15:29:14gevaertsIf you find a way to set PATH automatically, just append whatever the default is to it, no need for config files.
15:29:41gevaertsPeople using the a different location will set their PATH themselves, so that will be first in $PATH anyway
15:29:44wpyhgevaerts: but then it will be default whenever I login
15:30:13wpyhthe effect I need is that the crosscompiler's path only gets included when I work on RB, and nothing else
15:30:23gevaertswpyh: I don't meant to append it _at login_, just from within the build scripts
15:30:47wpyhgevaerts: yeah, the build scripts
15:31:03wpyhwhy not use a special script / file to hold the path then?
15:31:13wpyhthat way we don't have to copy the path to every script...
15:31:30*BigBambi thinks wpyh should change lots of his "we" to "I"
15:32:11wpyhBigBambi: good point ;)
15:32:55*gevaerts whispers to BigBambi : "/tmp" ;)
15:33:33wpyhso, which one would be better/get included easier: ~/.config/ or svn trunk/tools/somefile
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15:34:52wpyhif I get this sorted out, then I don't need /tmp/rbdev-usr anymore :p
15:35:39XqtftqxGuys Help! Under Linux i cant acsess any of the files on my gigabeat s, i can see them but i get a error when trying to write, "Read Only File System" any ideas?
15:36:38*MTee waves to voltagex
15:37:26BigBambiXqtftqx: check the permissions of your user and of the S
15:38:47XqtftqxHow do i check the permissions of the S?
15:40:14BigBambiXqtftqx: This is a linux issue, not Rockbox. Try google
15:40:30XqtftqxWell, thanks for your help........
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15:46:47Xqtftqxdoes the S have a NTFS Hard Drive?
15:47:22XqtftqxOk thank yo
15:47:27BigBambiRockbox reads FAT32 (and FAT16) only
15:47:33BigBambiThe S is FAT32
15:47:40XqtftqxThats what i though
15:57:08BigBambigigabeat S
15:57:45XqtftqxGRRRR, making me so mad
15:58:27BigBambiYou have tried writing to it using sudo (or su) right? i.e. with root permissions
15:58:41BigBambiTo double check it is a permissions issue
15:58:54Xqtftqxyeah with sudo no luck
15:59:18BigBambioh really?
15:59:51Xqtftqxyeah, it becomes a "Read only file system" other OS's can see it fine
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16:00:04Xqtftqxwrite to it*
16:00:41BigBambiand how are you mounting it?
16:01:39XqtftqxJust normaly, insterting usbcable, drive shows, i can see all files, and play some music from linux. i cant write any files though
16:01:50Xqtftqx thats what happens when i use sudo
16:03:08Xqtftqxand i can make a folder on the firmware partion
16:03:44BigBambiwell, as I say this seems to be a not unusual linux issue:
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16:05:11XqtftqxWell, ill just put the drive to work under vista fixed it once
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16:09:09MU{lappy}ah, xqtftqx left. i've had the same issue w/ writing, in my case linux forced the mount to read-only because of discrepancies w/ the filesystem. fsck will probably fix it up.
16:10:02JdGordonNico_P: hey
16:10:34wpyhcan you please post the dmesg output when you try to mount the filesystem?
16:10:45wpyhmight be a big-sector issue... (*might*)
16:11:26MU{lappy}wpyh: no, it's not. it only happens *if* something has corrupted, it works fine w/ fsck+remount
16:11:42wpyhcan the corruption be reliably reproduced?
16:11:55BigBambiwpyh: The S has no large sector issues
16:12:02BigBambiAnd generally works fine
16:12:24Nico_PJdGordon: hi
16:12:48wpyhBigBambi: yeah, I'm still full of it...
16:12:48JdGordonhey, got a chance to look at 9027 in the next 12 hours or so?
16:12:56JdGordonI'd like to commit it tomorow
16:13:08BigBambiwpyh: The large sector issue is an issue *only* for specific players
16:13:09MU{lappy}wpyh: i don't think it's a rockbox issue, the corruption. it's likely the result of not doing sync+umount before unplug, or such.
16:13:11BigBambiNot all of them
16:13:19Nico_PJdGordon: I'm not sure, but I'll try
16:13:21wpyhBigBambi: yeah, thanks :)
16:13:34*Nico_P is rather busy ATM
16:13:53wpyhMU{lappy}: I did that several times, but my usb stick still boots fine
16:14:07BigBambiwpyh: It doesn't happen every time
16:14:10wpyhmaybe the sync is the key
16:14:14BigBambiIt depends on many factors
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16:14:50MU{lappy}in any case, linux forces the mount read-only if it detects any corruption that might make writes unsafe
16:14:59JdGordonNico_P: ok, not a big deal if you dont look at it.. just I'd like osme sort of answer about wheather or not to keep the %pb tag as using a line or not
16:15:04BigBambiAnyway, filesystem corruption can come from many places, virtually all of which are off topic here, and bugger all to do with large sectors
16:15:15*JdGordon may be to inebriated to explain the problem prop[erly atm
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16:16:14MU{lappy}i don't *think* rockbox itself has ever been to blame. the OF i'm less sure of, since it never "really" shuts down.
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16:29:57wpyhrasher: how about the flags discussion? ;)
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16:36:11krzhi everyone!
16:36:38krzcan anybody tell how rockbox stores bitmaps in bitmap->data?
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16:54:11MarcGuayJdGordon|zzz: Have you seen Probably an easy fix for someone who knows what's happening in there.
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16:55:22user01its getting harder for me to find mp3 players that work with rockbox
16:56:14user01the older ones are getting rarer and the newer ones probably wont be supported
16:56:33bluebrotherwell, you're telling quite breaking news.
16:56:35MarcGuayuser01: check out #rockbox-moan-and-groan
16:57:28*bluebrother giggles
16:57:53user01wow im the channel op :)
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16:58:45user01hey everybody i have my own channel for rockbox, #rockbox-moan-and-groan, check it out!
16:59:23wpyhhi there
16:59:33wpyhif I set a shutdown timeout
16:59:48wpyhwhen the device shuts down, it will turn on the backlight
16:59:55wpyhshouldn't it be kept off?
17:00:01user01so when you go to devconwest2008 you're going to support many more mp3 players after that right? ;)
17:00:10user01google summer of code
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17:00:53desowinuser01: ?
17:02:38user01desowin, rockbox is at google summer of code to develop code or to instruct?
17:02:52bluebrotherwpyh: no, it's intentional to give you a feedback something is happening.
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17:03:26desowinuser01: both, selected studends get stiped and helping hand from rockbox hackers in order to implement their project ideas
17:03:29wpyhbluebrother: thanks
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17:06:15user01bluebrother, ok it is set
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17:07:28user01desowin, ah ok
17:07:53user01desowin, thought the summer of code was a place to further develop the rockbox project
17:08:48user01maybe rockbox should approach someone like toshiba or iaudio for them to develop hardware exclusively for rockbox
17:08:58user01like an openmoko thing
17:11:08user01companies dont seem to like open stuff though
17:11:08bluebrotherthere is someone trying to build a rockbox hardware. Check the forums
17:11:20user01bluebrother, cool thanks
17:12:00desowinsome like to abuse open stuff (how many gpl violations are there ;) )
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17:17:51user01bluebrother, doesnt look like there has been a posting to that one since may
17:18:48user01ipod mini gen 1 works i hope
17:20:55user01mp4 is supported?
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17:26:42bluebrotherno. mpeg4 isn't a single codec.
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17:28:23krazykituser01, this is covered in the manual
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17:32:08krzso, anyone knows wps code?
17:33:48bluebrotherkrz: check for Nico_P and JdGordon|zzz
17:34:06user01is there something specific that keeps ipod classic to keep rockbox off it?
17:34:26BigBambiencrypted firmware, undocumented hardware are two big ones
17:34:54krzbluebrother: thanks
17:35:03user01yeah that is in no way classic
17:35:34wpyhwell, there seems to be some work at decrypting the 2nd gen nano, and it may be the first steps to breaking the encryption on the classic
17:36:10BigBambiWhich work?
17:36:50saratogawell they dumped some of the firmware, but i don't think they've done anything about the encryption
17:36:58*BigBambi is spectical
17:37:04wpyhthat's the first steps :)
17:37:33BigBambier, yes :)
17:37:47wpyhanyway, I hope they manage to decrypt it :)
17:38:33BigBambisceptical is a perfectly acceptable variant by the way
17:38:51*wpyh learns a new word today
17:39:37BigBambiin fact sceptical is the correct British spelling, skeptical is American
17:39:44BigBambibut off topic
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17:40:16wpyhsaratoga: any idea on their progress? (the nano 2g decryption)
17:40:31user01well at least we both say aluminium ;)
17:41:33user01a-lu-min-i-um and A-lu-mi-num
17:41:53krazykituser01, please stay on topic
17:42:11user01krazykit, it was in reference to the sceptical thing
17:42:24krazykitwhich was also off-topic.
17:42:56user01krazykit, ah but there is the error i was on-topic the off-topic :)
17:43:32BigBambijust stay on-topic
17:44:37saratogathey've dumped the (encrypted) firmware image off the player
17:46:20wpyhsaratoga: but I heard the dump wasn't complete?
17:47:48user01is the nano 2g similar to the ipod classic firmware?
17:51:52saratogathey're assumed to be similar
17:58:02wpyhdoes anyone here know the star plugin well?
17:58:08wpyh(it's a game)
17:58:39wpyhit seems to be implementing a function star_display_text() that looks somewhat like a generic function
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19:11:24adamgoldingdoes rockbox play video?
19:11:35saratogayes, mpeg2
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19:11:50adamgoldingoh, so i need to convert, ok
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19:15:20bluebrotheradamgolding: check the PluginMpegplayer wiki page
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19:16:49adamgoldingand how do i assign track rating in rockbox?
19:16:53adamgoldingi dont' see anything in the context menu
19:19:54Slasheriadamgolding: make sure you have runtime statistics gathering enabled under db submenu and the db has been initialized
19:20:27adamgoldingoh i can't do rating if i'm not using the db?
19:20:38Slasherinope, that wouldn't make sense
19:20:38adamgoldingi just want it to write to the tags
19:20:47Slasherirockbox doesn't write anything to tags
19:21:03adamgoldinghow would i get the ratings back onto my desktop then?
19:21:06saratogathat'd be a bad idea on hard disk players
19:21:48Slasheriadamgolding: with little programming and using the export/import db feature that should be simple
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20:20:29xqtftqxGuys has there bean any changes to the gigabeat s bootloader lately?
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20:23:29krazykitxqtftqx, you can look through recent commits.
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20:28:44MU{lappy}i don't *think* so, i keep a pretty close eye on S development
20:29:00MU{lappy}waiting for charging to get checked in ;)
20:29:06MU{lappy}why, are you having trouble @ boot?
20:29:47xqtftqxNo, im building a build of mine and im trying to make a excuse to edit the bootloader
20:30:28xqtftqxMy last experience editing the bootloader was a little travic
20:30:38MU{lappy}maybe better not, then?
20:30:41BigBambiSo do it if you want, but no, there haven't been any changes very recently
20:31:08xqtftqxThe only problem was multiboot
20:31:13xqtftqxit never worked for me
20:31:45BigBambiIt works fine here, and is fairly essential seeing as Rockbox doesn't charge yet
20:32:08xqtftqxit never worked me *me* not saying it doesnt work for others
20:32:11MU{lappy}power on w/ hold switch engaged - perhaps your hold switch is broken?
20:32:23MU{lappy}or are you using the rockbox-built bootloader as-is?
20:32:30xqtftqxno, i chould never make the multibootloader
20:32:50xqtftqxi have a copy somebody gave me (trying to remember the name)
20:32:52MU{lappy}you have to use mknkboot to combine it w/ a "normal" OF nk.bin
20:32:57xqtftqxand that one works
20:35:30xqtftqxHuh, thats wierd never sean that error beffor
20:35:48xqtftqxBOLO error, unable to read file (image)
20:38:41xqtftqxok its working now
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20:48:18xqtftqxIs it possible to create a plugin that talks to a server on a computer via usb?
20:49:30gevaertsNot right now. However you might be able to extend the plugin api to allow that
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20:49:59xqtftqxIf we had that and a usb host possibilities would be endless
20:52:07gevaertsDo ou have something specific in mind ?
20:52:45xqtftqxnot specific just random stuff ive been thinking about
20:53:41xqtftqxthe code to connect via usb is there, is there any code now which allows you to use the device while in usb mode?
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20:54:36gevaertsThat depends on what you mean by "usb mode"
20:54:59xqtftqxallowing you to read and write to the harddrive/memory
20:55:30gevaertsok. That's unfortunately not possible at all
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20:56:54gevaertsIt would mean two operating systems accessing the same disk at the same time. As soon as one OS changes something on disk, the other will have an inconsistent view of the situation.
20:57:10xqtftqxwhat if it wasnt changing the disk
20:57:43krzcan anyone point where to find how rockbox stores colorbitmaps?
20:57:47gevaertsIf neither of them changes the disk, it could work, but is that useful ?
20:58:13xqtftqxidk, just thinking
20:58:47xqtftqxor they did it in a pattern
20:58:59xqtftqxlike computer,rockbox,computer,rockbox,computer,rockbox,etc
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20:59:49MU{lappy}remote control from PC seems like an application
20:59:54gevaertsSo basically do the same thing as connecting and disconnecting in turns ?
21:00:09gevaertsMU{lappy}: yes, but that's not "allowing you to read and write to the harddrive/memory"
21:00:16xqtftqxonly one goes idle while the other changes the disk
21:00:30xqtftqxthen they switch
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21:00:47MU{lappy}gevaerts: no, the only way to do *that* and not have things go bad is some sort of protocol where the DAP manages access
21:01:26MU{lappy}i'd say best choices there are either use MTP, or present as a CDC ethernet device and serve CIFS or NFS access to the disk
21:01:30gevaertsIf you want to read and write _files_, that should be possible once someone writes MTP support
21:01:45MU{lappy}the second choice gives you the option of remote playback control as well
21:01:53MU{lappy}is anybody *working* on MTP?
21:02:00xqtftqxi dont think so
21:02:04gevaertsno. Maybe xqtftqx wants to have a go ?
21:02:07*gevaerts hides
21:02:17bluebrotherwho wants MTP anyway? ;-)
21:02:33xqtftqxsorta, i want it for some things, but not for transfer
21:03:18xqtftqxbut realy remote playback whould be cool, and start a webserver to controll it
21:04:54xqtftqxAnybody know where that gigabeat 90 degree rotation patch went?
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21:07:54xqtftqxI guess i chould try
21:08:13xqtftqxwith mtp, i probly wont get started untill i do a lot of research though/
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21:09:56xqtftqxand problem is
21:10:09xqtftqxMTP wont allow us to talk to the DAP
21:10:22xqtftqxwith windows at least
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21:10:54gevaerts"talk" in what way ?
21:11:11xqtftqxno other program can acsess a mtp device
21:11:15MU{lappy}i'd rather the CDC-ether route :P
21:11:28MU{lappy}but that's so many layers of complexity :/
21:12:19xqtftqxlol, maybe im looking at PTP may be a bit easier
21:12:35xqtftqxproblem with PTP is you cant modify files, only transfer them
21:13:51gevaertsMU{lappy}: go ahead, and let us know when your samba port is done :)
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21:15:37xqtftqxif a usb host is coded it chould allow us to use 3rd party devices to connect
21:16:17gevaertsIf usb host support is implemented, _and_ your device happens to have the right hardware
21:16:45BigBambigevaerts: What? USB is all software! :P
21:16:50bluebrotherif it's raining outside it could happen you getting wet :P
21:17:21*gevaerts hits BigBambi over the head with a stick that happens to be all software
21:17:51MU{lappy}yah, i think devices need appropriate host hardware for that all software to work :P
21:17:59bluebrotherseems BigBambi likes to get beaten ... uh-uh ...
21:18:32xqtftqx*cough*off topic*cough*
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21:21:31xqtftqxHey anybody who has a gigabeat s and whould like to help out with a build send me a msg
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21:26:49MU{lappy}gevaerts: guh, i'm not up to porting something like that. not to a platform w/o malloc() ;P
21:27:16MU{lappy}there must be way too many libc-isms
21:27:17gevaertsMU{lappy}: it would be a plugin, so you are allowed to bring your own malloc
21:29:27MU{lappy}unfortunately, scripting is more my speed. and, oddly enough, vector optimizations, sometimes. do any of the ARM-ish targets have iwmmxt? ;)
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21:31:22MU{lappy}i'm not saying that samba would be a walk in the park, but i've seen the cdc route work well on other devices
21:32:19MU{lappy}some of the ezx-based moto phones can act as cdc devices, and offer samba, telnet, etc
21:32:41gevaertsIt can probably work well, but my guess would be that a full IP stack and samba/nfs/http on to would be far too heavy. Of course Bagder might like the idea of http support if we choose the right library :)
21:32:46MU{lappy}wouldn't even need the USB-OTG hardware, just a sufficiently programmable usb client
21:34:41MU{lappy}if malloc isn't welcome, what would be said about adding socket, listen, etc? it's definitely getting into a big mess
21:35:58gevaertsThose are different. malloc() isn't wanted to enforce predictable behaviour. A socket API is an entirely different issue
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21:38:50MU{lappy}some braindead-custom-socket-over-usb interface would also be a possibility. lighter/cheaper than implementing TCP/IP, until you consider that you can't use pre-existing client software
21:40:24MU{lappy}either way is still well beyond me. any precedent for bounties for feature requests on rockbox?
21:40:37gevaertsBut then you get back to the question why you actually need this
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21:41:09gevaertsAnd yes, there are precedents of people wanting to donate for specific features. The short answer is : don't
21:41:51MU{lappy}"what's the feature request process" "you write a patch, then you ask us to merge it"
21:42:07gevaertsThat's more or less it, yes :)
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21:46:36MU{lappy}i would say, MSC + charge-only mode is probably sufficient for most users
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21:49:27_23_RusHi all
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21:51:20_23_RusI read this page and i want to test RockBox for Meizu m6
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21:52:15xqtftqxHuh, i didnt see that page, i should add myself as well
21:53:11xqtftqxRus you add yourself, you need to be active in the irc or mailing list
21:53:18xqtftqxYou should*
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21:54:03_23_RusI should to register on this server ?
21:54:29xqtftqxnot register, just be active, btw can i get wiki editing writes
21:55:04saratogawhats your username?
21:55:21_23_Ruswhere ?
21:55:41_23_RusOn the site ?
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21:56:18xqtftqxHold on, my register is messed up
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21:56:47*stripwax wonders why
21:56:48xqtftqxwhy did it send the email to ?
21:58:00xqtftqxnvm, my username is TylerGetsay
21:58:34_23_RusDon't understand, where i should to register ?
21:58:58xqtftqxOn the wiki
21:59:17saratogaok done
21:59:19markun_23_Rus: there is nothing to test yet
21:59:32markunmaybe after the following weekend
22:00:48_23_Rusthat is not yet firmware ?
22:01:35xqtftqxRus, its not going to be like running rockbox perfectly, (coetrrect me if im wrong) but a lot of stuff wont even work yet
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22:03:34_23_RusHow many people work on this project ?
22:03:56xqtftqxit depends, its not peoples jobs, they do it in there free time for no profit
22:04:10saratogatheres a couple hundred in the credits, don't know how many are still active
22:04:13stripwax_23_Rus : - take a look at the credits file
22:05:41xqtftqxsaratoga can you give me wiki write permission? im TylerGetsay
22:05:57_23_RusI registered on the wiki (coetrrect me if im wrong because i bad in english)
22:06:10_23_Rusmy username is YuraFrolov
22:06:22xqtftqxGood, now allow somebody to give you write and add yourself to the list
22:06:41 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier.")
22:08:00saratogaxqtftqx: I already did the first time you asked
22:08:10xqtftqxOh, sorry
22:08:27Buschelsaratoga: i played around with the dct32-function from libmad and tried to adapt it to mpc. when doing so i came around −− in mpc context and with some resorting of coeffcients −− that the asm'ed dct32 is a bit slower than the C-version. @ -O1
22:08:53Buschelsaratoga: did you try that in libmad?
22:09:52saratogaBuschel: I never tried the c version, but we build libmad at O2 now
22:10:04_23_Rus What time on your time zone ?
22:10:25Buschelsaratoga: -O2 is slower for mpc. but i did not measure which parts get slower...
22:10:44amiconn-O2 was slower for libmad on arm back when we used the C mdct
22:11:13amiconnBut the asm version was definitely faster than the C version at -O1
22:11:37saratogaBuschel: unfortunately, I'm way behind where I want to be on my GSOC project, so I've been concentrating on that over libmad
22:12:23_23_Rusxqtftqx:So next weekend will begin on the test?
22:12:25amiconnThe asm version was made by tomal iirc, and that was on a really slow arm target (iFP7xx: arm7tdmi @60MHz)
22:12:33Buschelamiconn: strange... was the dct and the synth asm'ing measured each or only in total?
22:12:40xqtftqxI cant say that
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22:12:50amiconnIt was verified to be faster both on pp502x and pp5002
22:12:52xqtftqxTheres no calendar its people and there free time
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22:13:20amiconnBuschel: Plain test_codec
22:13:44amiconnIirc the various parts of the patch were tested separately, but I'm not sure
22:13:51amiconnShould be in the irc logs
22:14:06_23_RusSee your next time , I will return after next week
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22:14:25_23_Rusbye bye
22:14:25Buschelamiconn: ok, so no single test asm'ed dct vs. C-dct and asm'ed synth vs. C-synth. it was asm'ed dct+synth vs. C-synth+C-dct
22:14:49*Buschel was typing too slow
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22:16:13*shotofadds needs to modify test_codec for the D2 (no disk write access currently...)
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22:16:52amiconnshotofadds: Why?
22:17:17shotofaddsdoesn't it rely on writing log results to a file?
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22:17:24amiconnI'd wait with testing such things until everything basically works (that includes proper disk access including writing)
22:17:36amiconnBut iirc test_codec doesn't write
22:17:39saratogai don't think test_codec writes
22:18:17shotofaddsah, I must have been thinking of something else. we won't have write access to the internal flash for the forseeable future
22:19:22amiconnWhy not?
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22:20:38shotofaddswe don't understand the NAND scheme well enough for reliable read access, let alone write. There's no controller chip, remember.
22:20:39BigBambixqtftqx: There is no testing team or anything, or organised testing as such - that wiki page is mainly so if a developer would like something tested on a target they don't have they have an idea who to ask in IRC.
22:21:41xqtftqxSorry caps lock
22:22:07xqtftqxIll use TylerGetsay Next Time i join
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22:27:21amiconnshotofadds: That means RE'ing the original firmware
22:28:05shotofadds<sarcasm> hmm, why didn't I think of that...
22:29:26bluebrothershotofadds: is the OF encrypted? (I guess yes?)
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22:29:50shotofaddsno, there's just one hell of a lot of it. preglow will testify to that...
22:30:33amiconnHow does the nand flash block mapping work?
22:30:35bluebrotherdoes someone know if the "Gestalt" value differs between 5.5G 30GB and 60/80GB?
22:30:47amiconnI'd thinkg there must be some index or similar
22:31:07shotofaddsI've been reading the OF on and off since around November and still don't get it
22:31:15bluebrotherIPL wiki holds those values but they don't distinguish between those two.
22:31:31amiconnshotofadds: I mean for reading (which is supported in rockbox iirc)
22:32:06saratogaisn't the layout of NAND chips standardized?
22:32:07shotofaddsamiconn: yeah, there's an index stored, but it appears to contain out-of-date or incorrect entries most of the time.
22:32:22amiconnSo how do you know how the blocks are mapping
22:33:01shotofaddsEach physcial block has a marker in the spare section, which says which logical block it represents. That's the easy bit.
22:33:27shotofaddsBut, there are often multiple copies of the same block, with apparently no easy way to tell which is the "right" version.
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22:34:42shotofaddsRecently-written sectors also get stored in a separate block, which we have to keep track of
22:34:45amiconnUnderstanding the underlying algorithm is the key
22:34:53shotofaddsYep, you said it.
22:35:21shotofaddsThe current read-only driver is reasonably reliable (I listened to three FLAC albums earlier without trouble)
22:35:29amiconnUnfortunately there is no public implementation of a wear leveling algorithm that I know of
22:36:05amiconnA simulator might be helpful, monitoring what the OF does...
22:36:43saratogaoh wow the scummvm people are hosting a prebuilt gcc compatable WinCE SDL binary
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22:37:02saratogai wonder if i can link rockbox against it as is
22:37:41shotofaddsAn emulator would be useful, but wouldn't it be an awful lot of work to implement enough SoC registers to boot the OF?
22:38:14amiconnI have no idea. I only know about the PP emulator (which does enough to boot the e200 of iirc)
22:38:30amiconnI never tried it myself though
22:38:49shotofaddsit might be worth looking into, though. don't we have an ARM emulator GSOC project?
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22:39:23saratogawe do
22:39:41saratogathough I wish it's developer would come by here more often so i could ask him about it
22:39:42shotofaddsI doubt Telechips SoCs were in scope though...
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22:59:26xqtftqxGuys whats the command to make a delay?
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23:00:36domonokyxqtftqx: rb->sleep(1*HZ) ?
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23:01:55xqtftqxWil that work in the bootloader?
23:02:16domonokyno, i dont think so..
23:02:21BigBambithat was for plugins I think
23:02:25preglowd2 wins the award for most enthusiastic replies to a "gentleman" mail ever...
23:02:39xqtftqxdang, i need it to pause at the bootloader
23:02:53preglow"cool, but why not this target..." :P
23:03:09domonokyin the core it would be "sleep()" alone, but i dont know if it works in the bootloader.. maybe better busyloop in the bootloader..
23:03:12*Bagder agrees with preglow
23:04:03preglowshotofadds: hope to have my dev computer set up again tomorrow to continue coding
23:05:07shotofaddspreglow: yeah, we need an SD driver now, to play all those albums...
23:05:23preglowxqtftqx: the bootloader might support sleeps, depending on target. most don't have interrupts set up, so you can't sleep()
23:05:28bertrikdid I understand correctly that you have to talk directly to the nand flash chip without any wear leveling controller chip in between?
23:05:39preglowshotofadds: i've gotten my 16 gig card now, so need a driver myself :)
23:05:45preglowbertrik: yup
23:05:48shotofaddsbertrik: yeah, that's correct. it's all in software in the OF :/
23:06:00shotofaddsI don't fancy tackling that
23:06:19shotofaddspreglow: I need write access to something to store my sound settings :)
23:06:21preglowannoying that even just read-only is such a bitch
23:06:53preglowi hope to have basic sd card read/write going pretty soon
23:06:57shotofaddscracking read should be too hard now. it's close enough that I listed to several FLAC albums earlier.
23:07:01preglowi just need to get my dev stuff set up in my new flat
23:07:03shotofaddspreglow: yay!
23:07:47preglowdon't "yay too soon" :> i have a tendency towards optimism in these matters, heh
23:07:49*shotofadds thinks someone should reply to his mail with something positive :p
23:08:06preglowshotofadds: distortion gone, btw?
23:08:21Earwormhello hello people... hey, I was wondering, is Rockbox close to become flashed to the Gigabeat ?
23:08:49shotofaddspreglow: yeah, the distortion was down to finger trouble typing my WM register setup...
23:08:59shotofaddsthere's a click/pop problem every few seconds, though
23:09:21bluebrotherpreglow: let me guess ... SD means only SDIO but no SPI on the D2?
23:09:38shotofaddsoh yeah, and sound doesn't start playing for a few seconds. I don't know what's causing that.
23:09:44*shotofadds has to go for a bit.
23:09:49preglowbluebrother: neither, we'll use the ordinary 1/4 bit interface
23:10:03preglowi know nothing about sdio, and little about spi
23:10:13bluebrotheroh, but what's the main issue with it then? Unknown SPI interface?
23:10:29bertrikI know nearly nothing about sdio, but I do know about spi and the sd card spi mode commands
23:10:47*bluebrother did SD SPI a year or so back
23:11:09preglowbluebrother: no main issues, i just had trouble having sd cards power up until recently
23:11:14preglowwhich required some disassembly
23:12:53preglowwhy would one use either sdio or spi interfaces, btw?
23:13:10Earwormno ideas hmmm?
23:13:24bluebrotherEarworm: no idea what exactly you mean, indeed.
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23:13:35markunEarworm: kkurbjun is working on it, but I don't know how for he is
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23:13:59markunhow far
23:14:01bluebrotherpreglow: SDIO can do other fancy things like attaching wlan interfaces. And it's faster.
23:14:25amiconnI doubt that SDIO is faster than plain SD
23:14:33preglowme too
23:14:34bertrikSPI is popular because it's very easy to interface with a microcontrollers which often have a spi controller already built in
23:14:40markunEarworm: I'll look through my chat log with him
23:14:45Earwormthanks, markun
23:14:50preglowbertrik: in this case we already have an sd card controller built in :)
23:14:52amiconnIt uses the same physical interface, just extends it to other stuff than plain block access
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23:15:16bluebrotherwell, they claim it's faster. Plus, they use four data lines instead of one.
23:15:22amiconnSPI is slower than SD if SD uses 4 (or 8) bits
23:15:33amiconnbluebrother: That has nothing to do with SDIO
23:15:44bluebrotherSDIO also can access those security stuff nobody wants ;-)
23:15:45amiconnSD can use 1, 4 or 8 data lines
23:16:14bluebrotherhuh? How can SD use more than one data line in SPI mode?
23:16:24amiconnAgain, nothing to do with SDIO. It's what SD was invented for - it's almost MMC with some (optional) security stuff
23:16:37amiconnbluebrother: SD != SPI mode
23:16:51preglowamiconn: mmc uses 8 lines, not sd
23:16:54amiconnSD can use both SPI or SD protocol
23:16:57*bluebrother was talking about SDIO mode
23:17:04amiconnpreglow: MMC can uses 1, 4 or 8 lines, as can SD
23:17:20amiconn(8 lines were added with MMC4.0 and higher)
23:17:30preglowamiconn: really? i've never seen it mentioned in the sd spec
23:17:31markunEarworm: can't find any recent progress in my logs. I'll ask him when I see him online. Perhaps he could put something about his work in the wiki.
23:17:56amiconnbluebrother: SDIO isn't a transfer mode, it's a logical extension of what you can use the SD protocol for
23:18:52Earwormcool markun, thanks for the info...
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23:20:34bluebrotherstill, how can you use more than one data line in SPI mode?
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23:22:04amiconnYou can't
23:22:24amiconnpreglow: Seems you're right and SD didn't add 8-bit
23:22:47preglowamiconn: good, just not another case of me overlooking something, then :)
23:23:04amiconnbluebrother: See YOu can do SDIO over SPI. It's even mandatory for SDIO cards to support SPU
23:23:20amiconnpreglow: That means MMC4.0 can be faster than SD
23:23:21xqtftqxis mknkboot command like this mknkboot <rockbox bootloader> <orginal bootloader> <multiboot>
23:23:27preglowamiconn: indeed
23:23:34preglowamiconn: too bad about the capacity issue, though
23:23:49bluebrotherI'm already reading that page ...
23:23:52amiconnMMC4.2 added block addressing
23:23:56preglowamiconn: transfer speeds are limited by the nand itself too, though
23:23:59amiconnSame limit as SDHC then
23:24:21preglowamiconn: oh? i thought the mmc standard didn't allow for cards bigger than 4 gigs yet
23:24:21*bluebrother mixed up SDIO and SD mode
23:24:29bluebrotherstupid abbreviations
23:24:58amiconnIt's just that MMCs >4GB seem to exist only as engineering samples, for almost 2 years now... :(
23:25:07xqtftqxIs it?
23:25:12preglowamiconn: i wonder why
23:25:20BigBambixqtftqx: ./mknkboot nk_orig.bin nk_rockbox.bin nk_dual.bin
23:25:31amiconnpreglow: E.g.
23:26:02xqtftqxthanks bigbambi
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23:26:06amiconnSO far I haven't found such a card in a shop. Samsung also announed 8GB MMCs ...
23:26:10BigBambixqtftqx: It tells you here:
23:26:34xqtftqxI know just wanted to verify
23:26:49xqtftqxand i dont need anything to do the multiboot besides mknkboot correct?
23:27:03BigBambiIt tells you right underneath what <firmware file> means
23:27:26BigBambixqtftqx: and some way of getting the output nk.bin on the player
23:27:48xqtftqxi can copy it onto the firmware partion right?
23:28:03xqtftqxok thanks
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23:29:00preglowamiconn: still seems weird they aren't released yet. the technical challenges should be no bigger than for sdhc cards, and they've been out in 8gb++ editions for ages
23:30:19*amiconn would like to implement MMC4.2 support for the Ondio...
23:31:56*preglow should buy himself a 2 gig sd card to experiment on before using his 16 gig sd card...
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