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| 00:04:03 | SETH_HIKARU | HELP SO I DONT KILL MYSELF |
| 00:04:23 | SETH_HIKARU | im trying very hard to apply a patch |
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| 00:04:29 | SETH_HIKARU | that really doesnt exist |
| 00:04:53 | SETH_HIKARU | its a gzip viewer |
| 00:05:51 | SETH_HIKARU | and it made a whole bunch of files and i assumed to put them in the gzip viewer folder and i put that folder in the plugins folder so am i doing this right |
| 00:06:56 | SETH_HIKARU | um hello anyone thee |
| 00:07:02 | SETH_HIKARU | help here |
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| 00:07:34 | SETH_HIKARU | that really doesnt exist |
| 00:07:39 | SETH_HIKARU | im trying very hard to apply a patch |
| 00:07:49 | SETH_HIKARU | its a gzip viewer |
| 00:07:58 | SETH_HIKARU | and it made a whole bunch of files and i assumed to put them in the gzip viewer folder and i put that folder in the plugins folder so am i doing this right |
| 00:08:00 | PaulJam | SETH_HIKARU: please don't spam! |
| 00:08:04 | SETH_HIKARU | im not |
| 00:08:09 | SETH_HIKARU | answe my question |
| 00:08:15 | SETH_HIKARU | answer* |
| 00:09:53 | PaulJam | i don't know the answer. and that won't change even if you post your question multiple times. |
| 00:10:11 | SETH_HIKARU | so could u build it for me |
| 00:10:16 | SETH_HIKARU | and see if i did it right |
| 00:10:23 | pixelma | that kind of attitude won't help you to get an answer, besides I don't know the patch and don't even understand what patch you're talking about |
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| 00:11:20 | SETH_HIKARU | i can provide the link and please will you build this for me to see if i did it right please |
| 00:11:22 | xqtftqx | Guys, it stoped working again |
| 00:12:14 | agaffney | SETH_HIKARU: nobody is going to do it for you |
| 00:12:23 | agaffney | SETH_HIKARU: if you can't build it yourself, use one of the daily builds |
| 00:12:31 | xqtftqx | Seth PM Me |
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| 00:13:51 | SETH_HIKARU | um xqtftqx |
| 00:13:56 | SETH_HIKARU | u there |
| 00:14:00 | xqtftqx | yes |
| 00:14:04 | xqtftqx | reply to my message |
| 00:14:22 | SETH_HIKARU | i cant on the web client so wanna hold on and ill download mIRC |
| 00:14:34 | xqtftqx | no, mibbit.com |
| 00:14:34 | SETH_HIKARU | ok |
| 00:14:35 | SETH_HIKARU | i see |
| 00:14:37 | SETH_HIKARU | it |
| 00:14:39 | SETH_HIKARU | k' |
| 00:14:42 | SETH_HIKARU | its up there |
| 00:14:50 | xqtftqx | Reply.. |
| 00:23:50 | stripwax | SETH_HIKARU - to "apply a patch" you need to "set up a developer environment and build from the source code". All the information you need is in the wiki, go read the developer documentation at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8226?histring=pacbox and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 00:24:20 | pixelma | xqtftqx: about your question (is it even one?). You really need to be more descriptive if you want help, "it" could mean anything and last time you left without saying how you fixed your last problem... |
| 00:24:40 | stripwax | xqtftqx - yes (please check the irc logs - I asked you a question) |
| 00:25:24 | Llorean | SETH_HIKARU: Please also remember this channel has guidelines, they're linked in the channel topic (the IrcGuidelines page on the Rockbox wiki) |
| 00:25:37 | xqtftqx | Its Wierd, it just happens |
| 00:25:42 | xqtftqx | i dont know why or why not |
| 00:25:45 | xqtftqx | but i have to go |
| 00:25:45 | stripwax | xqtftqx - please help us to help you |
| 00:25:51 | * | stripwax shrugs |
| 00:25:53 | stripwax | oh well |
| 00:26:15 | xqtftqx | ill be back in 20 minutes |
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| 00:26:23 | * | stripwax probably won't |
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| 00:37:21 | xqtftqx | OK guys im back |
| 00:38:38 | xqtftqx | Whenever i connect it it appears as normal and its just read only |
| 00:38:56 | xqtftqx | if you look in the logs i posted a pastebin |
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| 00:53:31 | xqtftqx | fsck doesnt do anything |
| 00:54:47 | xqtftqx | Never MInd |
| 00:54:52 | xqtftqx | mounted as root |
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| 01:03:42 | xqtftqx | Guys why isnt the test_disk plugin included? |
| 01:04:13 | Llorean | Because it's not needed at all by normal users. |
| 01:04:35 | xqtftqx | But it chould be put into the system menu |
| 01:04:49 | Llorean | It's a plugin... |
| 01:05:05 | xqtftqx | So? Cant you link to it in the system menu |
| 01:05:14 | Llorean | There are very few cases where it's useful, and anyone who's editing disk code and needs to test it can also compile the plugin |
| 01:05:34 | xqtftqx | i guess, |
| 01:07:06 | xqtftqx | Im running it here and how do i exit it? |
| 01:07:35 | Llorean | No clue |
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| 01:07:45 | xqtftqx | lol, i dont think you can, im just reseting |
| 01:07:47 | Llorean | It's not really intended to be used unless you know what you're doing, and why you're running it. |
| 01:09:03 | Llorean | I mean, seriously, for all you knew it "tested" the disk by formatting it and then writing to the whole disk or something. |
| 01:09:21 | Llorean | It's just not good to say "Hey, I'll click that" |
| 01:10:12 | xqtftqx | I guess.. |
| 01:10:49 | xqtftqx | Jeeze i still cant make the boot logo go full screen |
| 01:11:34 | Llorean | Did you read the code, understand everything it did, then adapt it, or did you just try copying bits? |
| 01:11:49 | xqtftqx | Im looking at the code |
| 01:11:53 | xqtftqx | i understand what it does |
| 01:11:59 | xqtftqx | not every single bit but most of it |
| 01:13:12 | Llorean | Then maybe you should test different parts of it, see which part fails, then figure out why it fails. |
| 01:13:12 | xqtftqx | Whats the file which tells the DAP to display the logo? |
| 01:13:15 | Llorean | Incremental progress |
| 01:13:36 | xqtftqx | misc.c? |
| 01:14:20 | Llorean | No clue. |
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| 01:15:54 | xqtftqx | does %s display the version? |
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| 01:16:48 | xqtftqx | lcd_bitmap(rockboxlogo, 0, 10, BMPWIDTH_rockboxlogo, BMPHEIGHT_rockboxlogo); |
| 01:16:52 | Llorean | xqtftqx: I have no idea where you're talking about. |
| 01:17:07 | xqtftqx | is that it? i think if i change the 10 from a 0 think it will go full screen? |
| 01:17:08 | Llorean | %s in a printf() style statement usually means "a string, also passed as a parameter" |
| 01:17:24 | xqtftqx | Ok |
| 01:17:35 | Llorean | You might spend some time reading a basic C tutorial and getting more familiar with the language. |
| 01:18:23 | Llorean | xqtftqx: If you look at the declaration of lcd_bitmap you can find out what the parameters all mean. My guess is that the 0, 10 are X and Y coordinates... |
| 01:18:34 | Llorean | Please, spend some time investigating the code itself. |
| 01:30:05 | xqtftqx | Ha! I found the problem in this patch it forgot a "true" in one of the lines |
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| 02:20:36 | allele | I was told rockbox plugins are unable to perform division, what about multiplication? |
| 02:23:07 | Llorean | This is kinda obviously untrue, since the calculator plugin has a division function |
| 02:23:34 | Llorean | Where did you hear this? |
| 02:23:34 | scorche|sh | division is just multiplying the inverse anyway |
| 02:24:09 | scorche|sh | errr...wrong choice of words |
| 02:25:20 | allele | not sure where, the division function in the calculator plugin doesn't use direct division though |
| 02:26:12 | allele | in any case if the multiplication works, then that isn't the problem with what I'm doing |
| 02:26:16 | Llorean | What exactly do you mean by direct division? |
| 02:26:25 | Llorean | You simply asked if it's possible to divide in a plugin... |
| 02:26:32 | Llorean | Or rather, mentioned you'd read it was impossible. |
| 02:26:50 | Llorean | As it stands, though, it'd be nice to find out where this came from so some clarification can be made |
| 02:27:07 | allele | well not impossible, but I heard no division function was built into rockbox |
| 02:27:49 | allele | I mean direct like the calculator just uses /=, in the calculator it uses a recursive call that uses modulus, don't remember it exactly though |
| 02:28:01 | Llorean | Well, that is kinda a division function. And it's built into Rockbox. |
| 02:28:12 | Llorean | Or at least, into a rockbox application. |
| 02:29:20 | Llorean | You have to remember, these are computers. Somewhere beneath it all, everything is reduced to 1s and 0s and tricks are done to them. |
| 02:29:30 | Llorean | This is just a case of some of the tricks being more visible than usual. |
| 02:29:58 | Llorean | Are you sure you have no idea where you read that there wasn't one? |
| 02:30:19 | allele | I think I heard it on this channel |
| 02:30:42 | allele | its not like I passed the information on |
| 02:31:11 | Llorean | I never suggested you had. |
| 02:31:20 | Llorean | I was asking about who *did* though, so I could maybe fix that. |
| 02:32:10 | allele | not sure who I heard this from, I could have just misinterpreted what they said as well |
| 02:32:21 | allele | but I'm afraid I have to go |
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| 03:56:19 | saratoga | the c divison operator works fine in rockbox, its just slow |
| 03:57:05 | saratoga | most if not all of the codecs use it actually, just very sparingly for performance reasons |
| 03:58:03 | Llorean | saratoga: I was about 80% sure it worked and was just slow, but didn't want to say that without verifying. |
| 03:58:28 | saratoga | i think you actually have to have it since its built into c |
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| 04:00:11 | Llorean | I kinda expected so, but I'm just not that confident. |
| 04:02:09 | Shaid | is it faster to multiply by a fraction? |
| 04:03:40 | Llorean | Shaid: It would be silly if it were. |
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| 04:03:48 | Llorean | I assume it's floating point operations that are slow, in general. |
| 04:04:06 | Shaid | I've heard of stranger things, Llorean. |
| 04:04:31 | Llorean | Shaid: But as he said, we use them in codecs, which are pretty highly optimized already |
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| 04:11:24 | saratoga | fractions imply floating point numbers, which rockbox can't do in hardware, so they'll always be slower then integer multiplies (which can be done in hardware) |
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| 04:30:36 | BHSPitLappy | saratoga, fractions imply rationals |
| 04:33:17 | saratoga | floats are rationals :) |
| 04:33:29 | saratoga | though i guess you're right you could use fixed types too if you're clever |
| 04:34:25 | BHSPitLappy | back in CS2 we had to write a rational class and some basic accessors/mutators for it |
| 04:34:39 | BHSPitLappy | GCD, rational addition/subtraction/mult./div. |
| 04:34:53 | BHSPitLappy | (for Java, anyway) |
| 04:35:28 | BHSPitLappy | anyway, rationals imply fixed types |
| 04:35:32 | BHSPitLappy | irrationals imply floats |
| 04:36:55 | JdGordon | floats are irrationals... you cant exaclty express 1/3 in a float |
| 04:39:29 | wpyh | JdGordon: this is off topic, but your statement "floats are irrationals... you cant exaclty express 1/3 in a float" doesn't make sense |
| 04:40:02 | JdGordon | yes it does... |
| 04:40:19 | JdGordon | well.. it does to me anyway :p |
| 04:40:46 | JdGordon | if floats were rationals then you could express 1/3 exactly... |
| 04:40:57 | * | JdGordon hopes he isnt getting this whole thing backwards |
| 04:41:58 | Llorean | Floats are basically irrational because you're dependent on binary math |
| 04:42:06 | Llorean | But we like to pretend like they're always rational most of the time. |
| 04:42:40 | saratoga | floats aren't irrational since you can express all of them as fractions |
| 04:42:55 | saratoga | however, they do not span the entire set of rationals, so there are rationals which are not floats |
| 04:43:42 | Llorean | I suppose that's true since floats always represent a finite number of digits. |
| 04:43:44 | * | wpyh refers to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating-point_number and thinks saratoga has the best explanation |
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| 04:44:18 | saratoga | afterall, the internal floating point representation is [int]*2^n where n is a signed integer |
| 04:45:16 | wpyh | here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating-point_number#Representable_numbers.2C_conversion_and_rounding |
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| 05:12:20 | saratoga | wow a "register at my site and download some random installer" post |
| 05:12:30 | saratoga | that certainly takes nerves |
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| 05:52:56 | Llorean | saratoga: that forum site is a source of pretty horrible users, if past experience is anything to judge on. |
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| 07:58:01 | PaulJam | Does anyone else find it weird that now when you have "fade on stop/pause" enabled and stop playback from the WPS, that the pause icon is shown during the fade out? |
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| 08:00:04 | Llorean | Well there's not exactly a "fadeout" icon, and people wanted visual feedback that fading had started. I don't know if that's why it does it (I don't remember an explicit change to this end) but it does kill that bird. |
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| 08:21:34 | wpyh | PaulJam & Llorean: when did the behaviour change? I noticed that on my iPod, the pause icon is only displayed when playback has completely paused. It would be nice to have another (possibly animated) icon to show that the song is fading out. |
| 08:22:13 | Llorean | As I said, I don't remember it being changed, and wasn't aware it had. |
| 08:22:22 | PaulJam | wpyh: r17723 |
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| 08:23:43 | Llorean | Probably the best solution would be a blinking pause or stop icon (depending on which status we're fading to) but at least there's now visual feedback the button press was registered. |
| 08:24:04 | wpyh | thanks, my build is still r17705, which is the old behaviour |
| 08:24:30 | wpyh | Llorean: I don't object to that either. But both the old and current behaviours are not so good IMO |
| 08:24:41 | Llorean | This one's much better than the old. |
| 08:24:48 | wpyh | since you're the dev here, I think we should follow your design ideas then ;) |
| 08:24:55 | Llorean | But if you submit a patch improving it further, I'm sure it'd get looked at. |
| 08:25:00 | wpyh | well I think the current behaviour is better than the old |
| 08:25:08 | wpyh | yep |
| 08:25:39 | wpyh | and frankly I think your solution (of blinking the icon) is easier to implement than mine (another animated icon) |
| 08:25:52 | wpyh | thanks, and this one goes straight to my TODO list |
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| 08:31:27 | JdGordon | PaulJam: that was the requested behaviour... I changed that last week |
| 08:31:37 | PaulJam | blinking could be hard to implement without damaging some existing WPS (for example iCatcher). |
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| 08:32:24 | Llorean | PaulJam: Damaging? |
| 08:32:25 | PaulJam | JdGordon: i was just surprised to see the pause icon when stopping playback. i would have expected to see the stop graphic. |
| 08:33:29 | JdGordon | ah, well... close enough for now I think |
| 08:33:40 | * | JdGordon does not like how fading is implemented |
| 08:33:45 | Llorean | JdGordon: Until someone submits a patch, right? :) |
| 08:33:54 | PaulJam | Llorean: the iCatcher WPS for example has no "blank" graphic for the space where the playback status icons are. the backdrop has a pink area at that position if i see it correctly. |
| 08:33:55 | JdGordon | something like that |
| 08:34:09 | Llorean | PaulJam: Ah, that can be fixed though. |
| 08:34:18 | JdGordon | fading should be done in the DSP, and handled by playback, not the wos |
| 08:34:19 | JdGordon | wps |
| 08:34:36 | Llorean | PaulJam: You could even add one more graphic into the conditional, a "clear" one that it alternates for the blink effect. I think that'd be almost essential for it to work well anyway |
| 08:34:52 | LinusN | JdGordon: it's done like that for historical reasons |
| 08:35:07 | LinusN | back in the archos days |
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| 08:35:30 | LinusN | it's a kludge at best |
| 08:36:01 | wpyh | yes, I think we can use a clear or transparent icon to simulate the blinking |
| 08:36:33 | PaulJam | Llorean: if you add another state to the %mp tag then i would prefer to add a "fading" state, so WPS designer can decide for themselves if they want blinking (via alternating sublines) or a static image. |
| 08:36:35 | Llorean | Transparent is bad. I meant "clear" as in, "that space, cleared" |
| 08:37:27 | wpyh | Llorean: what's the difference? I don't quite get you |
| 08:37:33 | Llorean | PaulJam: Then you'd need at least two more. "Fading to pause" and "Fading to stop", plus alternating sublines don't work within the conditional. You'd technically have a line alternating between two play icons constantly, just so you can alternate for the blink once you're fading. |
| 08:38:01 | Llorean | wpyh: To clear a space you can also draw the background color over it, or any other "blank" image (in case the background has some sort of placeholder in that area) |
| 08:38:20 | Llorean | wpyh: The cited problem WAS a backdrop that shouldn't be seen in that area, so you need something to be seen instead of the backdrop |
| 08:38:26 | JdGordon | has anyone tried putting %Vd in a alternating subline? |
| 08:38:31 | JdGordon | in a conditional |
| 08:38:46 | wpyh | Llorean: oh... ok, I get it now. |
| 08:39:02 | wpyh | We can use a "hollow" play and pause icons then |
| 08:39:31 | wpyh | for fade-out, we blink by alternating the "full" and "hollow" play icons |
| 08:39:42 | wpyh | for fade-in, we blink by alternating the "full" and "hollow" pause icons |
| 08:39:44 | wpyh | how about that? |
| 08:39:48 | Llorean | wpyh: They're wps bitmaps. The author can pick... |
| 08:39:54 | PaulJam | Llorean: would it be a problem to have the subline most of the time alternating with the same content? my WPS already does that for the charging animation and i haven't seen any issues. |
| 08:40:09 | Llorean | PaulJam: The more work being done by the WPS, the worse battery life gets. |
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| 08:40:26 | Llorean | As it is there's already a significant battery life difference on some players between being in the WPS and being in the menu |
| 08:40:58 | JdGordon | there is? |
| 08:41:02 | Llorean | Yup |
| 08:41:19 | PaulJam | JdGordon: i use "%t4%Vda;%?bs<%t4%Vdb|%t0>" in my WPS and it works fine (if that's what you menat). |
| 08:41:38 | wpyh | ok |
| 08:41:46 | JdGordon | PaulJam: ah, yeah, maybe :) |
| 08:42:05 | wpyh | which means we just have to provide the mechanism |
| 08:42:21 | * | amiconn didn't see significant differences in battery life caused by the wps, with one notable exception |
| 08:42:41 | Llorean | amiconn: iirc, buschel did the test? |
| 08:42:53 | Llorean | So it was on a 5G probably. |
| 08:43:03 | amiconn | If the wps has peakmeters *and* codec+dsp are almost maxed out, battery life decreases because buffering time increases a lot |
| 08:43:24 | amiconn | Had that on my 2nd Gen with ogg and the old, slow lcd driver |
| 08:45:07 | amiconn | That, and the fact that the CF mod substantially increases runtime is what makes me think that our disk access is a significant (if not the major) reason of our battery runtime being less than that in the OF on PP502x |
| 08:45:37 | wpyh | amiconn: someone has to work on the DMA hardware for that |
| 08:45:39 | amiconn | PP502x can do ata dma according to the product brief. We need to find out how... |
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| 08:48:12 | wpyh | yeah, that's what we need to do |
| 08:48:23 | wpyh | probably some hardware expert among us :) |
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| 08:56:00 | PaulJam | Llorean: i don't know how this works internally in the WPS code, but maybe the WPS designers could avoid the alternating-between-identical-content problem by using %t0 in the second subline where appropriate. |
| 08:58:04 | Llorean | I'd be awful surprised if %t within a conditional could change the timing of a line. |
| 08:58:24 | PaulJam | Llorean: it can |
| 08:58:48 | Llorean | Seems odd to me. |
| 08:59:14 | Llorean | Still, seems a bit of an inelegant solution. Lots of WPS code duplication. |
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| 09:18:24 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/06/24/rockbox-devcon-tshirts/ |
| 09:19:28 | markun | B4gder: thanks |
| 09:19:44 | markun | different colours again? |
| 09:20:09 | B4gder | yeps |
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| 09:22:39 | wpyh | Buschel: looping a 7 minute file (320kbps mp3) in the OF of my 80GB iPod Video gets 22 hours of runtime |
| 09:22:52 | wpyh | Buschel: I'll test with other bitrates and see how it correlates |
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| 09:31:24 | JdGordon | amiconn: is 8705 still a problem? |
| 09:37:50 | JdGordon | PaulJam: is 8729 still a problem? just tried your attached zip and config in the h300 sim and seems fine |
| 09:38:12 | PaulJam | JdGordon: i'll check |
| 09:39:35 | JdGordon | arg... pictureflow seems to be fubar :( |
| 09:40:15 | PaulJam | JdGordon: seems to be fixed. |
| 09:41:47 | PaulJam | JdGordon: i was wrong, the problen is still reproducible here (forgot to enable paginated scrolling) |
| 09:43:29 | JdGordon | arg, nuts |
| 09:43:35 | * | JdGordon double checks paginated was enabled |
| 09:45:07 | JdGordon | PaulJam: have you got the folder title enabled? |
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| 09:45:18 | JdGordon | ... not that that should change anything... |
| 09:45:50 | JdGordon | anyone else think it would be good to give bascule commit access? he seems to like editing the manual... |
| 09:45:51 | PaulJam | no, the best way to reproduce would be to load the default settings and load the cfg in the folder |
| 09:46:45 | JdGordon | AH! ok, its font dependant |
| 09:46:53 | Llorean | JdGordon: I'm for it. |
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| 09:47:52 | Kyle123321 | Is anyone there? |
| 09:47:59 | JdGordon | nope... noone |
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| 09:49:01 | Llorean | I think he believed you. |
| 09:49:15 | JdGordon | haha |
| 09:50:30 | * | pixelma wonders whether this was the same person scared away on Saturday... |
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| 10:15:06 | JdGordon | who knows the pictureflow code? |
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| 10:31:39 | JdGordon | how the heck do you get a sorted track listing from tagcache? |
| 10:36:24 | wpyh | about the file cache |
| 10:36:59 | wpyh | If I create a playlist with one song and set Repeat to One, then RB will reread the disk every second time |
| 10:37:44 | wpyh | so, at first playback it will read the disk, then for the second playback it won't, then just before the third loop it will reread the disk, for the fourth loop it won't, for the fifth it will, and so on |
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| 11:05:06 | JdGordon | wpyh: depends on the size of the file... it will be buffered as many times as it fits in the buffer |
| 11:14:40 | Slasheri | JdGordon: you can't get it sorted if you apply any filters or clauses (you have to manually sort it then) |
| 11:15:42 | JdGordon | ok, so I'm trying to fix pictureflow so the tracklist is in the correct order.... how do i get a track number from the search entry? |
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| 11:16:37 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.com/m71315288 is the relevant bit |
| 11:18:41 | Slasheri | JdGordon: you can use tagcache_retrieve() for that |
| 11:20:03 | Slasheri | or just a moment.. |
| 11:20:23 | Slasheri | sorry, tagcache_get_numeric |
| 11:21:40 | Slasheri | just give a valid tcs struct of the current search to it and tag_tracknumber as the second parameter |
| 11:21:58 | JdGordon | ok, need to add it to the plugin api :( |
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| 11:24:08 | JdGordon | Slasheri: ah, great, thanks |
| 11:25:18 | Slasheri | :) |
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| 11:49:45 | Corsac | hi there |
| 11:50:48 | GodEater | Corsac: hi |
| 11:53:17 | Corsac | I have a question about rockbox |
| 11:53:31 | Corsac | I have a (now quite old) rockbox install on my iriver h320 |
| 11:53:37 | Corsac | which is out of power, kind of |
| 11:53:49 | Corsac | I don't have my AC here, but I do have my usb cable |
| 11:54:10 | Corsac | so I plugged it, it boots, says "battery low", then goes to "Bootloader USB mode" |
| 11:54:26 | Corsac | I wanted to know if there's a way to boot "normal" rockbox |
| 11:54:34 | Corsac | so I can make sure it charges through the usb port |
| 11:54:54 | GodEater | I'm not quite sure what you're asking |
| 11:55:05 | GodEater | the bootloader USB mode allows access to the same file system that "Normal" rockbox does |
| 11:55:39 | Corsac | yup |
| 11:55:53 | Corsac | it appears correctly detected in my linux box |
| 11:56:06 | GodEater | ah sorry, I misread "charges" for "changes" |
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| 11:56:19 | Corsac | but I would like to boot rockbox so I can access the files, play them, set options etc. |
| 11:56:23 | GodEater | LinusN would know best if charging through USB works with the USB bootloader mode |
| 11:56:35 | Corsac | currently I have the "Bootloader USB mode" printed on the screen |
| 11:56:38 | Corsac | and can't do anything |
| 11:56:55 | GodEater | will it boot up enough to go into Rockbox without the USB cable plugged in at first ? |
| 11:57:15 | Corsac | no, it doesn't have any power left, it seems |
| 11:57:34 | GodEater | then I think you're out of luck probably |
| 11:57:41 | GodEater | sounds like you need to buy a new battery |
| 11:58:48 | Corsac | eh? |
| 11:58:52 | Corsac | why so? |
| 11:59:00 | Corsac | my battery is ok |
| 11:59:13 | Corsac | just I dont *currently* have any power left, and I don't have my AC cable |
| 11:59:34 | Corsac | so I want to charge it through usb port |
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| 12:00:06 | GodEater | ah ok |
| 12:00:09 | LinusN | Corsac: do you have USB charging enabled in the OF? |
| 12:00:37 | LinusN | if so, you can hold REC to boot into the OF, and let it charge |
| 12:00:47 | unpaidbill | rockbox rocks me |
| 12:01:22 | Corsac | OF = OpenFirwmare? :) |
| 12:01:35 | Corsac | hmhm, |
| 12:01:39 | Corsac | I guess the charging is enabled |
| 12:01:45 | Corsac | because now it boots without the USB cable |
| 12:01:56 | Corsac | (it says it doesn't have power left, but at least it boots) |
| 12:02:40 | Corsac | I'll let in in bootloader usb mode for a while |
| 12:03:23 | GodEater | OF = Original Firmware |
| 12:04:02 | Corsac | ok thanks |
| 12:04:24 | Corsac | urf, I'm stuck in a loop OF/rockbox ÂŹÂŹ |
| 12:04:47 | Corsac | a non-charging one :/ |
| 12:05:37 | LinusN | congratulations :-) |
| 12:05:57 | Corsac | thanks /o\ |
| 12:06:02 | Corsac | 2.80V |
| 12:06:06 | LinusN | ouch |
| 12:06:06 | Corsac | >< |
| 12:06:29 | LinusN | better leave it then |
| 12:06:54 | Corsac | when I plug it, RB starts, says battery low, then shutdowns |
| 12:07:46 | Corsac | (same goes for OF :) ) |
| 12:07:51 | GodEater | I think by "leave it" LinusN means, stop trying to turn it on, and wait till you can charge it via AC, or you risk deep discharging the battery |
| 12:07:55 | LinusN | touch luck |
| 12:08:17 | Corsac | GodEater: yep, I understood |
| 12:08:21 | Corsac | no music for today |
| 12:08:32 | LinusN | that is a major flaw in the bootloader |
| 12:09:11 | LinusN | i'm hoping to be able to do some bootloader work at devcon |
| 12:09:28 | LinusN | with my shiny new TBLCF BDM interface |
| 12:09:41 | Corsac | it'd be nice if the device could charge without any firmware running ;p |
| 12:10:06 | LinusN | like the h100 could, those were the days... |
| 12:10:31 | Corsac | I still love my h300 |
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| 13:53:28 | livingdaylight | hi |
| 13:53:52 | livingdaylight | of the players that take rockbox which is the best? i'm looking at an iRiver h10 for example |
| 13:55:03 | livingdaylight | basically i gotz to have flac so either i buy a Cowan machine, which are very expensive, but apparently the only ones that play flac out of the box, or i get a rockbox compatible machine... |
| 13:55:28 | B4gder | we only care for rockbox here |
| 13:55:44 | B4gder | and rockbox plays flac fine |
| 13:55:54 | livingdaylight | also What determines the sound quality is it the make of the machine or rockbox firmware on it that determines sound quality? the former i presume |
| 13:56:06 | B4gder | the hw |
| 13:56:07 | pixelma | livingdaylight: depends on your preferences, have you seen the BuyersGuide page in the wiki? |
| 13:56:15 | livingdaylight | pixelma: no |
| 13:56:34 | livingdaylight | B4gder: hw? |
| 13:57:08 | pixelma | hardware |
| 13:57:31 | livingdaylight | right |
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| 13:58:15 | livingdaylight | so, that brings me back to the first question... Which is the best hardware for rockbox... i'd rather get an iRiver than iPod unless the quality of the latter is superior |
| 13:58:39 | livingdaylight | Cowan machines are known for their quality of sound but they are expensive machines |
| 13:58:54 | B4gder | what's the best editor? best food? best OS? best music? |
| 13:59:05 | B4gder | best is highly subjective |
| 13:59:29 | B4gder | imo, sound quality differs very little between modern players |
| 13:59:45 | B4gder | but then I have tin ears |
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| 14:00:40 | livingdaylight | yes, taste is subjective but there are also benchmarks for quality standardization |
| 14:00:58 | B4gder | and they show that sound quality differs very little |
| 14:00:59 | livingdaylight | there is a clear difference between a 1star and a 5 star hotel |
| 14:01:12 | livingdaylight | B4gder: right, well, that's good news then |
| 14:01:37 | livingdaylight | thats all i'm asking, coz i didn't know that there is no longer much if any difference as you say between players |
| 14:01:37 | B4gder | but "best player" is a quite a lot more than just sound quality to most people |
| 14:01:46 | livingdaylight | ok |
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| 14:03:06 | livingdaylight | B4gder: other determining factors in an overall best player would include control pads etc? |
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| 14:03:23 | B4gder | that would depend entirely on you of course |
| 14:03:28 | livingdaylight | yes |
| 14:03:54 | B4gder | but people would probably say controls, storage method, size, weight, how sturdy it is bla bla bla |
| 14:03:59 | livingdaylight | although general consensus does seem to be that Cowan do that not as well as iPod for example who seem to do it best. I just don't like Apple as a rule |
| 14:04:06 | livingdaylight | right |
| 14:04:42 | pixelma | colour screen, radio, recording capabilities... |
| 14:04:43 | B4gder | hence the BuyersGuide wiki page... |
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| 14:05:30 | ThibG | I have a Cowon player. It's a bit expensive, but it's nice. The original firmware works fine, and rockbox now plays sound on it \o/ |
| 14:05:31 | livingdaylight | yes, looking at it :) |
| 14:05:51 | B4gder | ThibG: cowon D2 that is |
| 14:05:55 | ThibG | yeah :) |
| 14:05:58 | B4gder | the X5 is cowon too |
| 14:06:00 | livingdaylight | ThibG: expensive, yes, that's what i find |
| 14:06:39 | livingdaylight | but i've read a lot of complaints of the Cowan machines not being so good on the control side |
| 14:06:41 | B4gder | and the other iaudio devices |
| 14:06:56 | B4gder | Cowon |
| 14:07:03 | ThibG | on the control side, the original firmware is very good |
| 14:07:03 | livingdaylight | in London you can hardly find a Cowon machine anymore... |
| 14:07:16 | livingdaylight | apparently they had a lot of problems with them |
| 14:07:45 | pixelma | the h10 iriver is not much different from the Ipods (it has the same CPU but then most of the h10 models have a radio etc.). The H100s and H300s are quite different |
| 14:08:25 | pixelma | same or similar |
| 14:09:03 | Corsac | h300 rocks <3 |
| 14:09:08 | Corsac | well, when it as battery |
| 14:09:08 | Corsac | :/ |
| 14:10:25 | ThibG | Well, now, I see all the things the original firmware don't have: gapless playback, fade-in/fade-out, replaygain... |
| 14:12:00 | pixelma | livingdaylight: if you want them for playing flac, maybe storage of the stock device is an interesting factor, mods are possible though within limits |
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| 14:13:32 | livingdaylight | pixelma: indeed. flac take up so much more space so storage is a definite factor. I'm looking at an iriver h10 20gb player |
| 14:14:10 | ThibG | that's the bad point of the D2... storage... |
| 14:14:25 | B4gder | not if you get a 16GB SD |
| 14:14:32 | livingdaylight | on eBay; just coz i know iRiver's had a good reputation as an mp3 player... i don't know any of the others |
| 14:14:33 | B4gder | then it'll go beyond the 20gb h10 |
| 14:14:41 | pixelma | ThibG: why? Got some cards... |
| 14:14:55 | livingdaylight | but what does a Cowon d2 cost? |
| 14:15:06 | ThibG | pixelma, B4gder, true, but I haven't :P |
| 14:15:33 | ThibG | about 250⏠when I bought it |
| 14:15:37 | livingdaylight | and what can one pick an iRiver h10 up for these days? |
| 14:16:22 | B4gder | D2 boasts 50 hours run-time, the h10 has perhaps 15 |
| 14:16:31 | B4gder | the D2 is available new, the H10 is not |
| 14:16:36 | B4gder | the H10 will be MUCH cheaper |
| 14:16:52 | livingdaylight | if money wasn't an issue :D |
| 14:17:06 | GodEater | the H10 is probably the player I'd recommend in last place for using with Rockbox mind you =/ |
| 14:17:18 | GodEater | I don't know if others feel the same |
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| 14:17:27 | livingdaylight | GodEater k, that's what i came here to find out |
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| 14:18:14 | * | GodEater thinks the Gigabeat F is probably the highest on his "recommended" list, providing having a radio isn't a must have |
| 14:18:21 | livingdaylight | GodEater why do you feel that to be so? |
| 14:19:01 | livingdaylight | don't care for radio. or avi just play flac and record would be nice |
| 14:19:04 | GodEater | H10 runs the same CPU as the ipod, which means no documentation for it, so all the work done on it has been reverse engineering and educated guesses |
| 14:19:32 | livingdaylight | ahh |
| 14:19:40 | GodEater | I've never actually used one, but I hear they can be a bit tricksy at times |
| 14:19:51 | GodEater | while the Gigabeat F uses a publically documented CPU |
| 14:20:05 | GodEater | which is much much faster than the iPods |
| 14:20:09 | * | livingdaylight has never heard of Gigabeat F |
| 14:20:15 | GodEater | made by Toshiba |
| 14:20:15 | * | livingdaylight googles |
| 14:20:27 | GodEater | you'll need to get one from ebay, or a refurb place |
| 14:21:00 | GodEater | but until the Gigabeat S came along (still not a mature port, so not recommending it), it was my favourite player of the 5 that I own. |
| 14:22:04 | pixelma | the F can't record though (or only with a dock and not with Rockbox), right? |
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| 14:22:20 | GodEater | ah yes, also a good point |
| 14:22:29 | GodEater | recording is something I never even think about :) |
| 14:23:28 | pixelma | just mentioned it because livingdaylight said "recording would be nice" |
| 14:23:58 | livingdaylight | Gigabyte F Pros â Large hard drive, colour screen  Cons â Sound is very quiet even with decent headphones |
| 14:24:11 | livingdaylight | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/12/preview_tosh_giga_60gb/ |
| 14:24:38 | pixelma | but I still recommend http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide ;) |
| 14:24:58 | GodEater | I think that con is a complete lie |
| 14:25:05 | GodEater | I find the Gigabeat more than loud enough |
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| 14:34:49 | funman | hello |
| 14:35:26 | livingdaylight | where does the iAudio7 come into it? |
| 14:35:39 | GodEater | there's no working port for the iAudio 7 yet |
| 14:36:00 | GodEater | and I think the developer who started it has gone AWOL |
| 14:36:39 | markun | my Gigabeat F is also very loud |
| 14:37:37 | GodEater | I don't think I've ever had to come close to max volume on it - it would hurt |
| 14:38:45 | livingdaylight | ebay.co.uk doesn't have a Gigabyte F |
| 14:39:39 | MTee | livingdaylight : Giga'beat' |
| 14:40:10 | livingdaylight | ooops <gulp> |
| 14:40:50 | livingdaylight | oh, well, Gigabeat neither only skins |
| 14:40:50 | GodEater | where in the UK are you livingdaylight? |
| 14:40:54 | livingdaylight | London |
| 14:40:56 | markun | livingdaylight: maybe this one http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Toshiba-Gigabeat-MEG-F40-40-GB-Digital-Audio-Player-MP3_W0QQitemZ300235169283QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item300235169283&&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177 |
| 14:41:13 | GodEater | livingdaylight: there's going to be a small informal Rockbox gathering next Friday in London |
| 14:41:22 | livingdaylight | ok? |
| 14:41:23 | GodEater | you could come along and have a look at a few players |
| 14:41:34 | livingdaylight | that might be nice |
| 14:41:37 | livingdaylight | thx |
| 14:41:42 | livingdaylight | wherebouts? |
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| 14:41:49 | GodEater | 4/07 - "The Captain Kidd" in Wapping High Street. |
| 14:41:56 | livingdaylight | post code? |
| 14:41:56 | GodEater | I've no idea what time we're getting there yet |
| 14:42:07 | GodEater | E1W something something something ;) |
| 14:42:13 | livingdaylight | ok |
| 14:42:17 | GodEater | it's not far from Tower Bridge |
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| 14:42:43 | GodEater | E1W 2NE apparently |
| 14:43:17 | livingdaylight | 9ish?? |
| 14:43:27 | GodEater | I expect we'll be there before then |
| 14:43:41 | * | GodEater is planning on going pretty much straight from work, which will mean about 6:30 |
| 14:43:42 | livingdaylight | 7ish then? |
| 14:43:47 | livingdaylight | right |
| 14:44:12 | * | GodEater is hoping for good weather to take advantage of the beer garden on the river |
| 14:44:25 | GodEater | oh, and bring your own headphones :) |
| 14:44:38 | GodEater | and enough money to buy all the devs a beer :) |
| 14:44:58 | * | GodEater will have his "will code for beer" sign ready |
| 14:45:25 | livingdaylight | markun: thx, i didn't search worldwide |
| 14:46:01 | GodEater | I bought mine from ebay.com |
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| 14:46:17 | GodEater | was one of the cheapest DAPs I've ever bought, and I've been so pleased with it |
| 14:46:30 | markun | from the manual: "The default directory structure that is assumed by some parts of Rockbox (album art searching, WPS missing-tag fallback) is: /ArtistName/AlbumName/*.ext" |
| 14:46:35 | markun | is that really true? |
| 14:46:37 | GodEater | even including the shipping fee and VAT from Seattle in the US |
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| 14:46:59 | GodEater | markun: I don't think so - I wonder where that came from |
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| 14:47:38 | livingdaylight | wow, iAudio7 is smaller than an american express card |
| 14:47:39 | markun | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=17778 |
| 14:48:21 | GodEater | recent then |
| 14:49:42 | GodEater | I think Marc hasn't perhaps understood the description on the AlbumArt wiki page |
| 14:50:21 | GodEater | I've no idea where he's got that WPS thing from though |
| 14:52:56 | GodEater | I think that's the same seller I got my F40 from :) |
| 14:53:44 | PaulJam | the cabbiev2 WPS uses the twp parent directories if no tags for artist or album are available. i think that is meant. |
| 14:54:16 | PaulJam | (at least the 220x176 version) |
| 14:54:27 | GodEater | so that's WPS specific then |
| 14:54:33 | GodEater | rather than a rule of thumb for the whole of Rockbox |
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| 14:55:34 | PaulJam | i think it is a common practice for wps designers to fall back to the dirnames if tags are missing. |
| 14:55:53 | GodEater | but you cannot say it's a *rockbox* feature |
| 14:56:06 | GodEater | there's nothing that enforces that behaviour on WPS designers |
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| 14:56:31 | Me | hi |
| 14:56:46 | Me | is there any way to run rockbox on nano 3rd gen? |
| 14:56:50 | GodEater | no |
| 14:56:54 | Me | :( |
| 14:58:32 | * | GodEater wonders if we should get logbot to automatically reply to questions about latter generation ipods and or the Zune |
| 14:59:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Sounds like a good idea. |
| 14:59:27 | Me | hmm maybe its possible to make a ipod game which enables similar funtionality in newer models? |
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| 15:00:47 | GodEater | maybe it is, but so far, no-one has tried |
| 15:01:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | If you want to run Rockbox, you're best off buying a compatible model; here's a guide: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
| 15:01:38 | GodEater | hehe |
| 15:01:45 | funman | what's the nickname of Michael Giacomelli ? |
| 15:01:51 | GodEater | saratoga |
| 15:01:55 | funman | thanks |
| 15:02:11 | funman | he didn't put his nick in his source... what a strange guy ... |
| 15:02:37 | GodEater | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks |
| 15:02:48 | GodEater | not all of us do... |
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| 15:03:29 | funman | okk... |
| 15:03:36 | funman | -k |
| 15:06:27 | funman | that means it's about 8AM for him |
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| 15:32:21 | kugel | JdGordon: hey, I saw you made a pf commit :) Can you then look into http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8335 as well? |
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| 15:36:23 | JdGordon | kugel: I dont really see the point of making it configurable |
| 15:37:01 | kugel | JdGordon: the patch does some more, but also explained why I made it configurable |
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| 15:37:49 | JdGordon | ah, didnt see the other imrpovements |
| 15:38:10 | kugel | "For people knowing there albums very well hide is the best option. For all others "show at the top" is the best option (imo), since it it doesn't destroy the beautiful reflections of the cover with overlapping album titles." |
| 15:40:10 | JdGordon | wouldnt it make more sense then to just leave it on the top? |
| 15:42:37 | kugel | I think the setting doesn't hurt. And I think hiding the album name is a very valuable option (I mainly use this) |
| 15:43:00 | JdGordon | bugger it... ok, resync it ill commit it |
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| 15:43:07 | gevaerts | All settings hurt ;) |
| 15:44:09 | kugel | JdGordon: Thanks, I'll do it today or tomorrow. I'm yet waiting for my linux notebook the arrive |
| 15:44:22 | JdGordon | gevaerts: not so much in plugins |
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| 15:44:37 | * | JdGordon might not be so happy to commit it tomorow :D |
| 15:44:58 | kugel | Hm |
| 15:45:10 | kugel | ok then, let me boot into linux |
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| 15:45:19 | JdGordon | haha |
| 15:48:24 | * | gevaerts never uses pictureflow, so he doesn't know how important this setting is. Therefore he shuts up ;) |
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| 15:49:17 | JdGordon | kugel: wanna do 8963 while your syncing it? |
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| 15:50:23 | kugel | JdGordon: Well, I'd surely like to, but I'm not too into tagcache search stuff |
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| 15:51:11 | JdGordon | Slasheri: still round? |
| 15:51:50 | g-ro | um... I saw someone recommend the cowon d2 player in the irc history, but can find it neither in the buyers guide, nor the daily built manuals. Does it work ok? Will it be supported at some point? |
| 15:52:09 | JdGordon | its close.... |
| 15:52:16 | JdGordon | sound is working which is always a good sign |
| 15:52:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | But it's still missing a lot of needed features. |
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| 15:56:05 | g-ro | thanks JdGordon, LambdaCalculus37. Judging from experience with other players, what's your guess how long it will take until the player is supported? I'm thinking about buying a new mp3 player, and I'd like one that supports rockbox. (and all the players on the BuyersGuide page are out of production) |
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| 15:56:31 | krazykit | g-ro, it's impossible to say; ports are all different. |
| 15:56:50 | JdGordon | I wouldnt want to guess.... |
| 15:56:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | You can certainly go ahead and get a D2 if you wish; no one will stop you. :) |
| 15:57:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Besides, you can help us test if you do. |
| 15:57:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | We appreciate all feedback. |
| 15:58:06 | VanCleef | hi, I just installed rockbox on my iPod Photo for the first time |
| 15:58:18 | VanCleef | but all the colors on the player are messed up |
| 15:58:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | VanCleef: What SVN revision? |
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| 15:59:23 | VanCleef | r17781 |
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| 16:00:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Can you do me a quick favor, and go to System > Debug > View HW Info? Read for me what your HW revision is, and your LCD type. |
| 16:00:43 | VanCleef | HW rev: 0x00060004 |
| 16:00:48 | VanCleef | and LCD type: 0 |
| 16:01:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | VanCleef: I'm working on a small fix for the color corruption on the iPod photos. It should be up on Flyspray (our bug/patch tracker) soon. |
| 16:02:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | You also have the same HW rev and LCD type as mine. |
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| 16:02:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | So the fixes I have done should work for you, as well. |
| 16:02:37 | VanCleef | ok, thanks a lot! |
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| 16:03:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | VanCleef: Do pop in once in a while, or read the IRC logs. |
| 16:03:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | That way, you'll know when the patch has been posted. |
| 16:04:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | I have to fix one more problem before it's ready; the Mpegplayer output is still corrupted, and I'm looking for the values for that to fix them. |
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| 16:11:42 | kugel | JdGordon: your centered track list messes my "move tracklist downwards" up a bit ;) |
| 16:14:23 | itcheg | I know threre are more important things going on now but what's the chance of getting a simple patch 8428 commited? |
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| 16:14:43 | kugel | JdGordon: I've noticed a bug |
| 16:14:56 | JdGordon | course you have :/ |
| 16:15:06 | kugel | JdGordon: The tracklist misses 1 track (and is empty if there's only 1 track in that album) |
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| 16:17:15 | kugel | JdGordon: I can fix it |
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| 16:19:31 | saratoga | the ffmpeg people seem to be making progress on wma pro |
| 16:19:42 | saratoga | maybe we'll get something worth porting to rockbox |
| 16:20:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: Cool. :) |
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| 16:21:23 | saratoga | i'm dying to see how it works |
| 16:21:41 | markun | wma pro is supposed to have a really good quality/bitrate |
| 16:21:58 | funman | is wma pro what's in HDDVD ? |
| 16:22:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | funman: Read what it is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Audio#Windows_Media_Audio_Professional |
| 16:22:22 | saratoga | HDDVD uses AAC and some other mpeg formats |
| 16:22:42 | funman | hey saratoga |
| 16:23:04 | funman | 'w' 'm' 'a' 'p' aaah :p |
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| 16:24:08 | funman | saratoga: you told me yesterday you didn't even test your decoder with wmav1 samples, but I see some code present |
| 16:24:28 | saratoga | funman: theres some code for it left over from ffmpeg |
| 16:24:33 | saratoga | i ported it but never tested it |
| 16:24:49 | saratoga | i don't think wmav1 was ever released into the wild, so there shouldn't be any files for it outside of the ones ffmpeg can create |
| 16:25:05 | saratoga | (which may or may not actually be wmav1 compliant anyway) |
| 16:25:35 | saratoga | the two formats are only trivially different in how they store the bitstream, so i wouldn't be surprised if they work anyway |
| 16:27:42 | * | ThibG is going to update his nouveau installation, bye |
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| 16:27:53 | funman | the ones ffmpeg creates don't |
| 16:28:13 | funman | I think I'll remove the leftover code and send you a patch |
| 16:28:23 | funman | so the next person looking into it will not wonder the same thing |
| 16:28:26 | saratoga | i don't see much sense in removing it |
| 16:28:32 | funman | unless you want to test it one of these days |
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| 16:28:51 | saratoga | better to just leave it in case you eventually need WMAv1 for whatever reason |
| 16:29:03 | saratoga | should be trivial to fix if ever needed |
| 16:29:31 | funman | if you can point me to some directions I could have a look - I know jack about decoding |
| 16:30:10 | saratoga | the fp version of the decoder does it find, so I probably just broke something when converting to fixed point |
| 16:30:12 | funman | except what I learned by using this codec into VLC the last week |
| 16:30:39 | funman | I looked at libavcodec side by side with rockbox |
| 16:30:47 | saratoga | anyway I'd suggest changing as little as possible in the codec, since it will make it harder to merge in improvements later |
| 16:31:50 | funman | did you consider including your code into ffmpeg upstreame ? |
| 16:32:02 | saratoga | yes I put some effort into merging it already |
| 16:32:20 | saratoga | but its difficult to make a dual fixed and fp codec that isn't completely incomprehensible |
| 16:32:35 | funman | eh.. |
| 16:32:57 | saratoga | i really like the current ffmpeg wma decoder, its the only readable codec i've ever seen |
| 16:33:35 | funman | there's no author in the header |
| 16:33:43 | saratoga | which header? |
| 16:33:58 | funman | wmadec.c |
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| 16:34:12 | saratoga | you'll have to dig through the ffmpeg SVN logs to figure that out |
| 16:34:28 | funman | says fabrice bellard |
| 16:34:41 | funman | and other people |
| 16:34:54 | saratoga | theres been a lot of people who worked on that codec over the years |
| 16:35:07 | saratoga | its put together piece by piece by reverse engineering the ms binaries |
| 16:35:28 | saratoga | and even now theres still 1 WMA codec feature that doesn't quite work right, though no one ever noticed it |
| 16:35:35 | funman | impressive |
| 16:36:28 | funman | I tried putting back the call to pow(), supposing the table was wrong, but had the same effect |
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| 16:36:47 | funman | I'm testing on intel now, since my ARM devices comes with audio not working ^^ |
| 16:36:53 | funman | s/devices/device/ |
| 16:38:04 | saratoga | this is for the WMA v1 file? |
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| 16:38:25 | funman | "this" ? |
| 16:38:35 | saratoga | the thing you're looking at pow() for |
| 16:38:40 | funman | yes |
| 16:38:45 | saratoga | also, i would just test on Intel, theres nothing ARM specific about the codec aside from the assembly, and the c versions are equivilent |
| 16:39:09 | funman | yup |
| 16:39:14 | saratoga | if i had to guess randomly, I'd say its the renormalization thats only done to wmav1 files after requantization in decode_block |
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| 16:39:28 | saratoga | right before streo coding and imdct |
| 16:40:03 | funman | only to wmav2 you mean ? |
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| 16:40:24 | saratoga | its only done to wmav1 files |
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| 16:44:12 | kugel | JdGordon: You said you centered the track list, But "titletxt_y = ((LCD_HEIGHT - albumtxt_h - 10) - (track_count * albumtxt_h))/2;" isn't really centered |
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| 16:52:00 | funman | saratoga: well I got something.. |
| 16:54:47 | kugel | JdGordon: Done, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8335 |
| 16:56:47 | funman | - fixed32 tmp = fixsqrt32(itofix32(n4)); |
| 16:56:47 | funman | + fixed32 tmp = fixtoi32(fixsqrt32(itofix32(n4))); |
| 16:57:01 | funman | I get something that "sounds like" music |
| 16:57:24 | JdGordon | kugel: good, done, your in credits yeah? |
| 16:57:47 | kugel | JdGordon: Sure :P |
| 16:58:34 | JdGordon | the default is to show the album at the bottom still? |
| 16:58:52 | kugel | Yes |
| 16:59:30 | kugel | ZzzZ, firefox still makes comments upon refreshing a tracker page :( |
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| 17:00:25 | kugel | JdGordon: feel free to change the default |
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| 17:01:31 | JdGordon | something no worky anymore.... its not reading any bitmaps |
| 17:01:46 | ygolohcysp | well.......... |
| 17:02:12 | kugel | JdGordon: Try deleting the pictureflow folder |
| 17:02:46 | kugel | JdGordon: it's possibly that pf doesn't accept existing bitmap chache due some changes |
| 17:02:54 | kugel | possible* |
| 17:02:57 | JdGordon | done that already... twice |
| 17:03:07 | JdGordon | read_bmp_fd: Bitmap too wide (62465 pixels, max is 220) |
| 17:03:18 | kugel | HM |
| 17:03:24 | kugel | It works on my sansa |
| 17:03:42 | JdGordon | then no albums found... |
| 17:04:22 | kugel | Sim is also fine |
| 17:04:49 | JdGordon | im testing in h300 sim |
| 17:05:16 | JdGordon | anyway, 1am here.... |
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| 17:06:38 | saratoga | funman: good eye! |
| 17:06:43 | funman | no |
| 17:06:51 | funman | I just do random changes |
| 17:06:55 | saratoga | calling a fixed precision sqrt on an int is likely to fail |
| 17:06:55 | funman | I never used fixed point |
| 17:07:36 | saratoga | however, since n4 is a power of 2, theres a better way to compute the sqrt |
| 17:07:46 | funman | fixed32 -> do I assume the first 16 bits are the integer part and the other 16 are the decimal part ? |
| 17:07:47 | saratoga | i'll commit a proper fix to rockbox, then you can dump the patch if you want it |
| 17:07:55 | saratoga | correct |
| 17:08:25 | funman | I'm using printf("%d") but that's obviously incorrect ;) |
| 17:09:14 | saratoga | theres a fixtofp function or similar in the zip I sent you the other day |
| 17:09:23 | saratoga | check in the fixed.c file |
| 17:09:42 | saratoga | it gives you the float |
| 17:09:53 | ygolohcysp | ŃĐŸĐș ĐżĐŸĐ»Đ” ŃĐ±ĐŸŃ |
| 17:10:04 | saratoga | that way you can compare to the float version if needed, though hopefully you won't have to do that |
| 17:10:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | ygolohcysp: English only, please. |
| 17:10:30 | saratoga | hmm actually you're right about the sqrt thing, theres no shorter way to do that |
| 17:10:36 | saratoga | i'll commit as is |
| 17:10:58 | saratoga | funman: whats your name? |
| 17:11:13 | funman | I can't type it properly on this US keyboard |
| 17:11:20 | funman | /whois funman |
| 17:11:21 | funman | :) |
| 17:11:27 | ygolohcysp | puis-je parler français? |
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| 17:12:23 | kugel | JdGordon|zzz: well, it even works on my h300 sim |
| 17:13:07 | flux | hello. I finally received my replacement hd for iriver-hp120, but I'm unable to find hints on what to do after installation: should there be a partition, should it be fat32 or fat16? |
| 17:13:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | FAT32. |
| 17:13:42 | markun | ygolohcysp: no, not even french. What's the problem? |
| 17:13:49 | flux | lambdacalculus37, one partition or no partitions? |
| 17:13:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | One partition. |
| 17:13:58 | flux | thank you |
| 17:14:25 | saratoga | /whois funman |
| 17:14:36 | saratoga | is that not an irc command |
| 17:14:45 | funman | you have put an extra space in front of it |
| 17:14:47 | gevaerts | saratoga: it gives back a name |
| 17:15:00 | funman | I'm Rafaël Carré |
| 17:15:09 | funman | (yes, I could use copy and paste....) |
| 17:15:46 | saratoga | ok i'm going to commit that as is since i don't have a v1 file to test with |
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| 17:16:35 | funman | ffmpeg -i source -acodec wmav1 test.wva :) |
| 17:16:52 | saratoga | hmm svn doesn't like the characters in your name so you're getting anglosized i guess |
| 17:17:05 | funman | that's no big deal |
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| 17:18:12 | flux | aah, finally, my rockbox came back to me. and an updated version, too.. |
| 17:18:50 | funman | int tmp = ... even |
| 17:19:01 | itcheg | saratoga can I convice you to commit a small patch |
| 17:19:13 | itcheg | patch 8428 |
| 17:19:14 | kugel | JdGordon|zzz: Good that you didn't that you didn't commit yet, the covers have been a bit too small on a h300 |
| 17:20:37 | saratoga | itcheg: i've never used that plugin and I don't have an ipod |
| 17:20:41 | saratoga | what exactly is that doing? |
| 17:21:55 | ygolohcysp | je ne parle pas Anglais. Mon rocher case n'est pas correctement de travail. pas de jouer des chansons, et aucun Ă©cran. |
| 17:22:21 | funman | I'm french and I can tell you this is coming directly from Google translator :D |
| 17:22:22 | advcomp2019 | ygolohcysp, english please |
| 17:22:31 | funman | "rocher case" = |
| 17:22:37 | funman | "rocher case" = "rock box" |
| 17:22:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: FS #8428 is apparently an improvement for scroll wheel control in the Sudoku plugin. |
| 17:23:25 | saratoga | well yeah i got that, but thats all its doing? seems like something that could have gone in a long time ago |
| 17:24:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | All it does is change the select button on iPods to change the scroll direction. |
| 17:25:04 | ygolohcysp | I doont parle pas 'English' |
| 17:25:35 | markun | ygolohcysp: well, then most of us can't help you |
| 17:25:47 | kugel | saratoga, LambdaCalculus37: sounds valuable for e200 to |
| 17:27:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Want to modify the patch a little bit to work on the e200, then? |
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| 17:28:14 | ygolohcysp | vous ĂȘtes tous des gens laids qui pue et s'asseoir Ă leur ordinateur toute la journĂ©e Ă ne rien faire grossir les crapauds! |
| 17:28:49 | markun | ygolohcysp: oui |
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| 17:29:38 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: well, the scroll wheel does nothing on a e200 in sokoban |
| 17:29:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: I don't have an e200, so I don't know. |
| 17:30:17 | saratoga | linuxstb: ping |
| 17:30:34 | kugel | But I think it sounds intresting for e.g. rockboxfindskitten (there you move up/down with the wheel and left/right with the left/right keys |
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| 17:32:04 | funman | + |
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| 17:32:57 | ygolohcysp | Je quitte ce dieu abandonné site et obtenir une miche de pain français. ou comme je l'appelle, du pain ordinaire. |
| 17:33:05 | markun | MarcGuay: are you sure that some rockbox parts expect music in a artist/album/track structure? |
| 17:33:25 | itcheg | saratoga currently the only way to get to a cell is to scroll through line by line, this patch allows you to change the direction of the scrolling |
| 17:33:41 | MarcGuay | markun: That was one of Eddy's notes, I figured he'd done his research. Bad assumption? |
| 17:33:54 | itcheg | I tested it and it works perfectly |
| 17:34:07 | MarcGuay | pixelma: Are you going through bascule's patch(es)? :) |
| 17:34:42 | itcheg | I was just looking at the patches posted there are plenty of good patches that seem to be ignored... or I guess there isn't enough interest in them |
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| 17:39:03 | pixelma | MarcGuay: haven't started yet but wanted today in the evening |
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| 17:42:10 | MarcGuay | markun: Hmm, perhaps you're right. When a tag is missing and nothing is given as a backup, it doesn't display anything. Maybe he means the included themes? |
| 17:43:14 | markun | I don't know, but I was just a bit surprised by your commit |
| 17:44:07 | MarcGuay | markun: I'll double check with bascule and if he can't explain it I'll take it out. |
| 17:45:03 | markun | maybe it just needs some rephrasing |
| 17:45:10 | webBot001 | does anyone speak greek? |
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| 17:46:44 | gevaerts | webBot001: please stop that |
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| 17:55:27 | kugel | MarcGuay: Congratulations on your commit rights! :) You're still lacking a developer cloak though |
| 17:56:23 | MarcGuay | kugel: Thanks... and if I knew what a cloak was I would comment? I'm losing some serious nerd points, I know.. |
| 17:57:20 | petur | MarcGuay: it hides your ip address (see /whois MarcGuay) |
| 17:58:04 | kugel | MarcGuay: When someone is /whois'ing you, it shows "MarcGuay <n=chatzill@ip216-239-81-249.vif.net> âMarcGuayâ" |
| 17:58:31 | kugel | it should be rather like " MarcGuay <n=chatzill@rockbox/developer/MarcGuay> âMarcGuayâ" |
| 17:59:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | My /whois doesn't even reveal my proper info. :/ |
| 17:59:14 | MarcGuay | Not too concerned about that. |
| 17:59:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Meh... |
| 17:59:33 | kugel | MarcGuay: It's very helpful to identify developers imo |
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| 18:00:18 | GodEater | scorche should be able to sort him a cloak out |
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| 18:38:24 | Cyberdyskinesia | hi! |
| 18:39:00 | phenobitch | is the replaygain 'gain' active on files with no replaygain tags? |
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| 18:39:51 | Cyberdyskinesia | I'm on vacations now, and I would like to help the Cowon D2 port |
| 18:41:47 | markun | Cyberdyskinesia: good place to start: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 18:42:01 | Cyberdyskinesia | is there some cookie task you could assign me to ? |
| 18:43:00 | Cyberdyskinesia | I'd be interested for example to make the UI more touchpad compliant |
| 18:43:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | Work on what you wish. |
| 18:43:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | That's how we do things here. |
| 18:43:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | You can also read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CowonD2Info and see what needs to be done. |
| 18:44:02 | Cyberdyskinesia | LambdaCalculus37: okay, but is there already someone working on such thing ? |
| 18:44:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | No one is assigned to anything here. |
| 18:44:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | We work on what we want to. |
| 18:45:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | If you feel that the UI could use some improvements, then by all means, pitch your ideas in. |
| 18:46:09 | MTee | what if two persons were working on the same port ? |
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| 18:47:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | MTee: Then they talk to each other and figure out who's going to do what. |
| 18:49:02 | PaulJam | phenobitch: no. |
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| 18:54:37 | Cyberdyskinesia | another question: I don't have any knowledge in electronics, so I'm not sure if I can help on low-level stuff |
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| 18:55:26 | Cyberdyskinesia | but is a high level required to do what shotofadds does for instance ? |
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| 19:00:32 | ZincAlloy | hi everybody. I made an improved version of the cabbiev2 wps file. anybody willing to commit it? |
| 19:01:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | ZincAlloy: Hey there! |
| 19:01:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | What changes did you make? |
| 19:02:05 | ZincAlloy | just some slight improvements of the h300/ipod color version. text alignments and stuff |
| 19:02:45 | ZincAlloy | everything's exactly where it's supposed to be now. |
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| 19:05:09 | ZincAlloy | I could also include the new plug icon... |
| 19:06:05 | ZincAlloy | or should we update all targets at once? |
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| 19:07:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | ZincAlloy: I think the last time an update to the default theme was done, it was in chunks, rather than all at once. |
| 19:07:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | But then again, I could be mistaken. :) |
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| 19:10:33 | ZincAlloy | maybe we should do the wps files one by one and the icons all at once, so they all look the same apart from alignment, which is individual anyway |
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| 19:13:22 | pixelma | ZincAlloy: posted it once (but maybe got lost in different info) - I'd still like to see some remote hold indication |
| 19:14:47 | ZincAlloy | yes.. I forgot about that one... we need two more icons, right? one for remote hold and one for remote + player hold |
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| 19:17:24 | pixelma | well yes, if you don't want a complete seperate icon for remote hold that is. But I think a combined one would be best too, even had a quick try on an idea I had for it. I need to dig up the file... |
| 19:18:47 | ZincAlloy | I'm for a single icon. making space for an additional icon would be too much of an effort |
| 19:21:11 | pixelma | I could post the bitmap to the forum thread for discussion once I found it (and am done with some other work here) |
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| 19:22:10 | ZincAlloy | cool. |
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| 19:24:21 | Cyberdyskinesia | hey I'd like to know: should I consider learning some theorical bits in electronics during summertime ? |
| 19:24:37 | scorche|sh | why not? |
| 19:24:45 | scorche|sh | i dont see what this has to do with rockbox though |
| 19:25:07 | Cyberdyskinesia | alright :d |
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| 19:26:03 | Cyberdyskinesia | but what shall I know for example to contribute to the NAND driver ? |
| 19:27:11 | Cyberdyskinesia | I don't understand anything when trying to read some specifications pdf |
| 19:27:20 | SETH_HIKARU | how do i compile rockbox in VMware |
| 19:27:28 | SETH_HIKARU | is there a link to a page |
| 19:27:53 | BigBambi | SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 19:28:03 | SETH_HIKARU | in VMware |
| 19:28:10 | SETH_HIKARU | its also on that page |
| 19:28:29 | BigBambi | Once you are in VMWare do it as anywhere else |
| 19:28:36 | SETH_HIKARU | ok |
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| 19:30:30 | Cyberdyskinesia | (I meant datasheets) |
| 19:33:04 | Cyberdyskinesia | I2S, GPIO, ... I'm not too familiar with those things |
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| 19:46:04 | wpyh | ok, so I've got a T60 and I looked at the firmware briefly |
| 19:46:30 | wpyh | the firmware format is _very_ similar to the Meizu firmware |
| 19:46:46 | wpyh | of course, we need to decrypt the firmware using irde first |
| 19:47:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | wpyh: Great! :) |
| 19:47:07 | wpyh | there is a 512 byte header, and then the firmware, and then the resource section |
| 19:47:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | wpyh: You know what time it is, right? |
| 19:47:35 | wpyh | LambdaCalculus37: huh? |
| 19:47:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's time for a new wiki page! :) |
| 19:47:56 | wpyh | but I don't know how to get the start of the resource section |
| 19:48:04 | wpyh | LambdaCalculus37: oh! :P |
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| 19:48:25 | wpyh | good idea |
| 19:48:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | Call the page "IriverT60Port"... should make it easy for all of us to find. |
| 19:49:14 | wpyh | OK ;) |
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| 19:51:32 | Strife89 | Is it at all possible for me to use .XM (sound module) files? |
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| 19:54:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: I thought FS #8806 played .XM files, but alas, it doesn't. :( |
| 19:55:23 | Strife89 | Darn. Do you happen to know of any tools that can convert them to proper .MOD files? |
| 19:55:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nope. Did you ask the Great Deity of All Knowing, Google? |
| 19:56:01 | Strife89 | I did. |
| 19:56:27 | Strife89 | But, the two results that appeared worthy produced garbage. |
| 19:57:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Don't know what to tell you, then. |
| 19:58:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | My only other idea would be to run them through an app that can dump the sound to WAV files, which you can then transcode to something Rockbox can play. |
| 19:58:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | But that's a tale for another channel. |
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| 19:58:57 | Strife89 | Yeah, I saw a few of those, but I specifally want .MODs which are generally made to loop. |
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| 20:02:59 | gibbon_ | hiho |
| 20:07:10 | flux | reminds me, can rockbox play sid-files these days? random pages on the web say "yes"? |
| 20:07:59 | Strife89 | I wouldn't know. :( |
| 20:08:17 | Strife89 | I take it FS #8806 has yet to be comitted? |
| 20:09:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | IMHO, FS #8806 should be rewritten as codecs, instead of a viewer plugin. |
| 20:09:01 | Strife89 | *committed |
| 20:09:02 | flux | hm, I don't know, but would mikmod support sid? |
| 20:09:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | flux: Rockbox already plays SID files. |
| 20:09:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | Read this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs |
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| 20:09:46 | flux | lambdacalculus37, great, so my leeching of HVSC won't be wasted :) |
| 20:10:07 | flux | obviously took the wrong approach of googling the terms instead of searching the list of supported codecs.. |
| 20:10:21 | Strife89 | Lamba: Agreed. |
| 20:12:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | There's also FS #7331, which adds GBS (Game Boy Sound) playback. |
| 20:12:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | But that patch is way too slow on anything but the Gigabeat F/X and S. |
| 20:13:01 | flux | hm, .xm and .it-support would agreably be nice, although I understand mikmod isn't the best player around |
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| 20:22:24 | xqtftqx | Guys, a whole bunch of the patchs are broken now |
| 20:22:31 | xqtftqx | because of the recent svn changes |
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| 20:23:33 | BigBambi | xqtftqx: Then fix them, or wait for the authors to do so |
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| 20:23:45 | xqtftqx | i cant tell the problem |
| 20:23:53 | xqtftqx | its in one of the settings file |
| 20:23:53 | BigBambi | xqtftqx: It is not 'our' responsibility to sync random patches |
| 20:24:04 | BigBambi | xqtftqx: It is a patch, it is not in Rockbox |
| 20:24:06 | xqtftqx | i know i just dont get it |
| 20:24:12 | BigBambi | get what? |
| 20:24:41 | Armand` | q: why would I be getting double entries for the tracks in a particular album in the database, even though there is only one copy of the tracks? |
| 20:24:56 | BigBambi | Armand`: Could there be a copy in e.g. a recycle bin? |
| 20:25:02 | Armand` | hmm |
| 20:25:13 | BigBambi | Armand`: Add both to a playlist then view the playlist to see if they are really piinting at the same file |
| 20:25:13 | Armand` | like a .trash, somewhere? |
| 20:25:18 | BigBambi | *pointing |
| 20:25:25 | BigBambi | Armand`: It is a posibility |
| 20:25:37 | Armand` | will check |
| 20:25:43 | BigBambi | cool |
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| 20:27:21 | Armand` | aside from that, any tips on making the interface smoother? I've noticed lag and stuttering in the play/pause button and playback with larger files |
| 20:28:18 | BigBambi | on what DAP? |
| 20:28:37 | Armand` | iPod 5th gen, 80GiB |
| 20:28:53 | xqtftqx | Ive noticed that also |
| 20:28:55 | * | BigBambi could have guessed that |
| 20:29:10 | BigBambi | Not so fast processor, seems to have a troublesome disk,... |
| 20:29:12 | Armand` | it seems to be associated with disk accesses |
| 20:29:18 | BigBambi | :) |
| 20:29:29 | BigBambi | Armand`: Any DSP you have on will make it worse |
| 20:30:04 | Armand` | afaik, I don't have any dsp, processing, eq, etc. that's not defaults |
| 20:30:27 | MichaelHahn | JdGordon: if you read the log: when using y or z for the conditional viewports it doesnt work. sim errors out :-) w and x work. also maybe you should mention in the wiki that you can also use conditional viewports with alternating sublines (alternating viewports). |
| 20:30:34 | BigBambi | Armand`: OK, it just looks like you are suffering from the fairly infamous ipod 80 GB issue |
| 20:30:43 | Armand` | infamous? |
| 20:30:44 | BigBambi | unfortunately |
| 20:30:46 | Armand` | :( |
| 20:30:48 | BigBambi | Armand`: well know |
| 20:30:51 | Armand` | ah. |
| 20:30:59 | BigBambi | and mysterious |
| 20:31:05 | Armand` | yay :( |
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| 20:31:43 | PaulJam | MichaelHahn: i could imagine that is because the maximum nimber of viewports is 24 (and x is the 24th leter) |
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| 20:33:12 | Armand` | BigBambi: i think got the double thing, though; there was another copy in a .trash. thanks on that one. |
| 20:33:16 | Armand` | *double entry |
| 20:33:16 | MichaelHahn | pauljam: no. i used a,b for other purposes and y,z for aa. the rest was unused. changing y,z to w,x worked directly. so it can not be the number of viewports. |
| 20:33:32 | BigBambi | Armand`: cool - it is often that, but not always - the database isn't perfect :) |
| 20:33:49 | BigBambi | MichaelHahn: Yes it can |
| 20:33:57 | BigBambi | If there are only 24, that stops with x |
| 20:34:16 | BigBambi | If you try to use a letter after that (y or z), you are trying to access a viewport that doesn't exist |
| 20:34:34 | Armand` | is there a limit on the number of entries in a playlist? |
| 20:34:38 | BigBambi | It is 24 = a to x, not 24 at random |
| 20:34:43 | BigBambi | Armand`: yes and no :) |
| 20:34:48 | Armand` | eh? |
| 20:34:55 | MichaelHahn | but the number of viewports has nothing to do with the number of "viewport sets" for the conditional viewports. also the wiki explicitly states that a-z can be used as viewport-set identifier |
| 20:34:58 | BigBambi | Armand`: No, if you set the max items in playlist setting high enough :) |
| 20:35:03 | Armand` | hah |
| 20:35:16 | Armand` | where's the setting? |
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| 20:35:21 | livingdaylight | anyone own a Meizu M6? |
| 20:35:25 | BigBambi | Armand`: In the manual... |
| 20:35:26 | livingdaylight | looks pretty neat |
| 20:36:01 | BigBambi | MichaelHahn: Ah, well I could be mistaken then - I was going on what PaulJam said. Best wait for someone that knows the code (JdGordon for instance) |
| 20:36:02 | PaulJam | MichaelHahn: ok, i see the same isuue in the sim. the strange thing is that the error is shown for the line after the %Vl line. |
| 20:37:37 | MichaelHahn | BigBambi + PaulJam : yes. thats why i posted it in the log in the hope jdg looks through it :-) if not i propably open a bug report during the next day. i guess nobody encountered it because you rarely use so many viewport-sets *g* |
| 20:38:05 | BigBambi | MichaelHahn: A good plan :) |
| 20:38:19 | MichaelHahn | nice thing though that the conditional viewports also work in an alternating line, so you can show one viewport set for 10 seconds and another one for 5, for example :-) |
| 20:38:43 | * | gevaerts runs away screaming |
| 20:39:18 | PaulJam | MichaelHahn: i could imagine that it would be enought to mention in the wiki that you can use the letters from a to x (since you still have enough letter to use all 24 VPs as conditional VPs) |
| 20:39:36 | PaulJam | not sure if i would call it a bug. |
| 20:39:56 | wpyh | yay! my first wiki page −−> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverT60Port |
| 20:40:10 | BigBambi | It does sound to me like the 'bug' is in the wiki saying a - z is available |
| 20:40:11 | * | wpyh wonders why some people runs away screaming quite often |
| 20:40:23 | gevaerts | wpyh: to keep fit of course |
| 20:40:25 | MichaelHahn | but as i know jdg he looks through the chatlog anyways *g* btw: did someone check the wps gallery? some really ugly custom-build wps is having HUGE screenshots in there :-) |
| 20:40:30 | BigBambi | wpyh: To be subtle |
| 20:40:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | wpyh: Very nice work! Congrats on your first new wiki page! |
| 20:41:09 | * | MichaelHahn recommends buying wiifit to gevaerts−−- |
| 20:41:09 | * | wpyh doesn't think that's too subtle... :p |
| 20:41:21 | wpyh | LambdaCalculus37: thanks :) |
| 20:41:28 | * | wpyh needs some sleep now |
| 20:41:47 | Strife89 | About the metronome plugin...... This is a shot in the dark (please don't kill me), but would it be a problem to just map "Start/Stop" to the down button on all targets? |
| 20:42:33 | bluebrother | Strife89: wouldn't make sense f.e. on the h100. |
| 20:42:51 | Strife89 | May I ask why? |
| 20:43:25 | pixelma | Strife89: as I said in the forums - it's not that simple |
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| 20:44:20 | Strife89 | Alright. I mean, I believe you (you guys have done better than I probably ever will). |
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| 20:45:08 | Strife89 | It's just that I'm curious about what makes this situation so difficult (i.e., different from other plugins) |
| 20:50:25 | pixelma | the metronome plugin uses the so-called "pluginlib actions" system and not simple button definitions or at least definitions on its own which means there are connections to - other plugins and other players. You have to make sure to not break other things, you could use exceptions in the plugin itself for certain players but if one has to start with that why not remove this system? |
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| 20:51:21 | pixelma | or to the least - pull it out of plugins with known problems. Metronome is broken on other players too, for example |
| 20:52:01 | pixelma | more precise: I mean the controls |
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| 20:52:41 | bluebrother | besides, using the "down" action on the h100 is kinda annoying for this −− there is a stop button, and pressing down on an ipod f.e. is much "easier" |
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| 20:53:01 | bluebrother | (the ipod has the click wheel while the h100 has a joystick so useage is quite different) |
| 20:53:51 | PaulJam | well, discussion about the pluginlib action is on the devcon europe agenda, so maybe this problem is gone next week. |
| 20:54:25 | pixelma | yep, I hope so and that's why I put it there |
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| 20:55:43 | Strife89 | Good to hear - er, read. :) |
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| 22:19:21 | SETH_HIKARU | can anyone see this |
| 22:19:42 | SETH_HIKARU | not sure if im connected |
| 22:19:47 | pabs | nope |
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| 22:20:50 | scorche|sh | SETH_HIKARU: next time just look at the irc l.....ugh |
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| 22:24:04 | Darrell | hi |
| 22:24:16 | bluebrother | hi |
| 22:24:51 | Darrell | can anyone tell me, i know its the wrong place, but what happened to the ipodlinux site |
| 22:25:24 | Bagder | Darrell: #ipodlinux is the channel |
| 22:25:26 | scorche|sh | if you know it is the wrong place, then why ask? |
| 22:26:03 | Darrell | because its active here and im sure at least 1 person knows |
| 22:26:37 | scorche|sh | and that is justification to ignore the rules we have for this channel? |
| 22:26:41 | bluebrother | there are people in #ipodlinux too ... |
| 22:26:52 | bluebrother | btw, they even have a note in their channel topic |
| 22:27:13 | Darrell | im banned on the IPL irc ok? |
| 22:27:47 | saratoga | and you're trying to get banned here to? |
| 22:27:51 | gevaerts | Did you ask about rockbox there ? |
| 22:27:51 | Darrell | just copy and paste the note then |
| 22:27:51 | Bagder | ok, but that still is off-topic here |
| 22:28:11 | Darrell | can you just be helpful for one second |
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| 22:28:14 | * | bluebrother wonders what one needs to do to get banned on #ipl |
| 22:28:23 | domonoky | bluebrother: i am thinking about moving all our detect functions in rbutil into one Class/Namespace. So you can do something like: Detect::mountpoint() or Detect::installedTarget() or Detect::device(). What do you think ? |
| 22:28:24 | scorche|sh | they are much more forgiving than they are.. |
| 22:28:34 | scorche|sh | errrr...turn one of those into a "we" |
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| 22:29:37 | bluebrother | domonoky: sounds good. I also thought about moving all utils.cpp stuff into one class |
| 22:30:38 | Darrell | .. |
| 22:30:45 | Darrell | is anyone going to help |
| 22:31:02 | bluebrother | but I kinda want to concentrate on the bootloader class for now ;-) |
| 22:31:05 | scorche|sh | Darrell: are you going to follow the rules of this channel? |
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| 22:31:32 | * | bluebrother points to the channel topic telling where OF stuff goes |
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| 22:32:24 | Bagder | ipl is more or less dead anyway, so archive.org's version should be enough ;-) |
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| 22:46:01 | youtux_ | hi, anyone in? |
| 22:46:10 | Bagder | yes plenty |
| 22:47:09 | youtux_ | i just want to ask: the development for ipod 6g is stopped? |
| 22:47:16 | BigBambi | It never really started |
| 22:47:20 | bluebrother | stopped? There hasn't been any |
| 22:47:39 | youtux_ | will it start in future? |
| 22:47:51 | BigBambi | If an interested owner works on it |
| 22:47:54 | bluebrother | no. |
| 22:48:04 | bluebrother | Ports are not planned. They are done by interested people |
| 22:48:19 | BigBambi | But don't hold your breath - it has encrypted firmware and undocumented hardware |
| 22:48:33 | youtux_ | if i can , i would like to help, i have an ipod 6g |
| 22:48:54 | BigBambi | Are you any good at breaking ancryption? |
| 22:48:59 | BigBambi | *encryption |
| 22:49:50 | youtux_ | actually i don't know how to do some hacks on it |
| 22:50:08 | youtux_ | like change firmware |
| 22:50:19 | BigBambi | There is a huge amount more to it than that |
| 22:50:48 | BigBambi | And to be brutally honest, I doubt there is anything you can do without a seriously large amount of studying |
| 22:53:51 | Bagder | and then in the end, studying won't be enough |
| 22:54:13 | Bagder | since brute-forcing or physical analysis problem is required |
| 22:54:26 | Bagder | s/problem/probably |
| 22:55:09 | youtux_ | i can't understand one thing: on the older generation of ipod the installer write raw data on the disk, am i right? |
| 22:55:32 | Bagder | yes |
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| 22:56:31 | youtux_ | but it only write on the partition where ipod OS read the files, am i right? |
| 22:56:47 | youtux_ | sorry for my english :) |
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| 22:59:26 | Bagder | well, not only there |
| 22:59:39 | Bagder | the bootloader would go there I think |
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| 23:00:14 | youtux_ | when i connect my ipod, i can see on dmesg it is discovered like a pen drive |
| 23:00:29 | Bagder | what do you mean? |
| 23:00:31 | youtux_ | so i can't understand where can the program write |
| 23:00:44 | youtux_ | i mean, where the installer write the firmware? |
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| 23:01:02 | Bagder | we have no installer for the 6g |
| 23:01:05 | Bagder | so it writes nowhere |
| 23:01:18 | youtux_ | yes, i'm talkning about the 5g installer |
| 23:01:34 | Bagder | that doesn't work on the 6g |
| 23:02:25 | youtux_ | ok, so i didn't understand anything :) |
| 23:03:04 | Bagder | you're asking about an install procedure on different ipods and comparing with the 6g and you can't do that |
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| 23:03:32 | youtux_ | ok, thanks |
| 23:03:50 | Bagder | most players rockbox runs on have their own install procedure and making that work is part of the port to a new model |
| 23:05:04 | youtux_ | but the 6g is completely different |
| 23:05:13 | Bagder | exactly |
| 23:05:31 | Bagder | thus it would require a new install method |
| 23:06:47 | BigBambi | and a completely new thing to install with that new install method |
| 23:07:41 | youtux_ | no one knows how itunes upgrade the firmware on ipod? |
| 23:07:58 | youtux_ | i mean, how it can write the firmware into the ipod |
| 23:08:28 | Bagder | most players rockbox runs on have their own install procedure and making that work is part of the port to a new model |
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| 23:09:11 | Bagder | so you in the 6g porting team need to figure that out |
| 23:09:47 | youtux_ | ok, thanks for the explainations |
| 23:09:58 | PaulJam | youtux_: you might want to read this forum topic: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14871.0 (not sure if it contains any useful information) |
| 23:10:44 | Buschel_ | Llorean: from lcdframerate wiki you cann furthermore see that a 5G needs about 0.8MHz per fps. WPS is drawn @5 fps, which needs about 4MHz, which consumes ~1,3mA. this current is similar to what you may calculate from the runtime difference and battery capacity −− for a WPS without peakmeters |
| 23:12:11 | amiconn | The wps doesn't redra the complete lcd content every time |
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| 23:12:19 | amiconn | s/redra/refresh/ |
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| 23:14:04 | Buschel_ | amiconn: sure about this? when i took a look at the source it called lcd_update() 5x per second. which does full transfer of the rectangle |
| 23:14:14 | amiconn | eh? |
| 23:14:20 | amiconn | Since when does it do that? |
| 23:14:43 | Buschel_ | i don't know... that's what saw when i played around with it some months ago |
| 23:14:55 | Buschel_ | let me check |
| 23:15:08 | amiconn | Hmm.... maybe I confused something, and it updates only part of the framebuffer, but transfers everything |
| 23:16:02 | Ozaru | Hi all. I've installed the current build on a 1G iPod nano using rbutilqt: no errors. But when I try to reboot into RB it gives an ATA -11 error, goes to the debug screen, then lapses into Panic ATA: -11. Reboot into the original firmware and everything works fine. The battery is new and fully charged. Any ideas what might be wrong or where I should look for more troubleshooting hints? |
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| 23:16:56 | Buschel_ | amiconn: sounds reasonable. but the fps-measurement shows the performance of the transfer, right? |
| 23:17:06 | amiconn | yes |
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| 23:18:38 | Strife89 | Well, unfortunately, I fear I have messed up my uncle's Sansa (details in a sec). |
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| 23:19:06 | | Nick Welder is now known as rocketteem (n=0c23c06f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-990706c200c4328d) |
| 23:19:18 | Strife89 | Thus far I have downgraded his OF from 1.01.07P to 1.00.01 sucessfully. |
| 23:19:23 | youtux_ | PaulJam: thanks for the link |
| 23:19:33 | Strife89 | I followed the instructions in the Wiki TO THE LETTER. |
| 23:20:05 | scorche|sh | in the wiki?...we recommend using the manual |
| 23:20:28 | Strife89 | On my uncle's PC, as a limited user (Windoze XP), I then attempted to install Rockbox itself with Rockbox Utility. |
| 23:20:41 | Strife89 | Of course it failed; I was not an Admin. |
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| 23:20:44 | Buschel_ | amiconn: it's hard to search for code in svn via browser :/ but afaic gwps->display->update() calls lcd_update() 5x per second in gui_wps_refresh() in apps/gui/gwps-common.c |
| 23:21:03 | pixelma | scorche|sh: as far as I know downgrading the c200 OF to 1.01.00 is not explained in the manual - and you need it if you want to have a MSC mode setting |
| 23:21:18 | Buschel_ | amiconn: even if nothing changes (not even the progress bar) |
| 23:21:39 | Strife89 | So I simply transferred my uncle's music to AUDIO and copied /.rockbox to its proper place, and decided to deal with Sansa Patcher on my own PC |
| 23:21:55 | rocketteem | Hell, quick question. I just got rockbox on my Sansa E2600, but am having issues figuring out how to access viewer applications. For example, how do I load a ROM for the Rockboy. Only menu selections I have: FIles, Database, Resume Playback, Settings, Recordings, RADIO, Playlists, Plugins,System |
| 23:22:20 | scorche|sh | pixelma: oh...i thought he was referring to the install instructions |
| 23:22:21 | PaulJam | Strife89: please post the link to the instructions you followed. so people can undestand better what you did. |
| 23:22:23 | BigBambi | rocketteem: Browse to the ROM in the filebrowser and 'play' it as you would music |
| 23:22:26 | Strife89 | Now, however, my uncle's Sansa is stuck on an empty progress bar on "Refresh Database". I cannot connect it to USB. |
| 23:22:34 | Strife89 | Paul: Okay, hang on |
| 23:22:39 | pixelma | rocketteem: what does the start of the viewers section in the manual say... |
| 23:22:51 | Strife89 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Port |
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| 23:23:19 | Strife89 | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansac200/rockbox-build.html |
| 23:23:58 | Strife89 | My mistake, I downgraded to version 1.01.00 (NOT 1.00.01) |
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| 23:24:10 | rocketteem | Ok, thank you very much. Have a good day |
| 23:24:10 | Llorean | Buschel: Thanks. |
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| 23:24:58 | Strife89 | I followed the instructions here (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Port#No_MSC_Mode) to the LETTER. |
| 23:24:58 | SETH_HIKARU | why would you downgrade the only reasons i can think of is if you have problems or your hacking something |
| 23:25:14 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: so you can get UMS mode and therefore install Rockbox |
| 23:25:17 | Strife89 | I downgraded because there was no MSC mode. |
| 23:25:32 | Buschel | Llorean: you're welcome :-) |
| 23:25:32 | SETH_HIKARU | ok what is that |
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| 23:25:38 | Llorean | Strife89: Including with the extra UMS key combination? |
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| 23:25:44 | scorche|sh | SETH_HIKARU: please do some research...wikipedia is nice |
| 23:25:44 | Strife89 | ??? |
| 23:25:58 | ze | SETH_HIKARU: universal mass storage/mass storage compliant |
| 23:26:01 | SETH_HIKARU | so is lif |
| 23:26:03 | Llorean | Strife89: Turn on the C200. Once in the original firmware, turn on the hold switch. Then hold the "Left" button, and while holding it down, plug in a USB cable. |
| 23:26:05 | SETH_HIKARU | life* |
| 23:26:14 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: Are you going to cause trouble? |
| 23:26:14 | bluebrother | MSC is the same as UMS |
| 23:26:24 | SETH_HIKARU | no |
| 23:26:26 | bluebrother | and btw, I'd still appreciate a less intrusive nick |
| 23:26:35 | Strife89 | Oh, so I hold down LEFT AFTER I turn the thing on? |
| 23:26:41 | bluebrother | i.e. stop SCREAMING |
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| 23:26:42 | BigBambi | bluebrother: you aren't going to get through... |
| 23:26:46 | SETH_HIKARU | ok what is with this intrusive nick thing |
| 23:26:54 | Strife89 | That wasn't clear in the Wiki.... |
| 23:26:56 | bluebrother | your nick is SCREAMING |
| 23:26:59 | SETH_HIKARU | thats universal |
| 23:27:00 | SETH_HIKARU | no |
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| 23:27:09 | BIGBAMBI | this is annoying :) |
| 23:27:13 | SETH_HIKARU | ya i dont care |
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| 23:27:15 | SETH_HIKARU | nope |
| 23:27:21 | Llorean | SETH_HIKARU: In text-only chat, all-caps is considered a shout or scream, and it is considered polite to use normal capitalization. |
| 23:27:24 | Strife89 | Very annoying. :) |
| 23:27:40 | ze | i think using whatever you like for your nick is fine as long as he's not typing everything all caps |
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| 23:27:44 | Llorean | SETH_HIKARU: And honestly, if you don't care about being polite in here, it's very likely everyone in here will decide they don't care about answering your questions. Or letting you stay. |
| 23:27:46 | ze | but maybe thats just me |
| 23:27:48 | SETH_HIKARU | here let me provide you 70 links to all my other profiles which are all the same |
| 23:27:59 | bluebrother | no, thanks. |
| 23:28:06 | SETH_HIKARU | now quit bothering me about it |
| 23:28:10 | BigBambi | Llorean: I have already decided that - he has been nothing but rude from the start |
| 23:28:16 | Llorean | Strife89: That should work on most, if not all, versions of the C200 that don't have an MSC mode option. |
| 23:28:28 | * | BigBambi doesn't appreciate being told "screw you" when trying to help |
| 23:28:39 | Strife89 | But I hold left AFTER turning the thing on? |
| 23:28:40 | bluebrother | SETH_HIKARU: it's not you deciding how the rules in this channel are or how people consider you SCREAMING around |
| 23:29:00 | Llorean | Strife89: Yes. |
| 23:29:10 | Llorean | Strife89: Turn thing on. Wait for boot. Turn hold on. Hold left while inserting USB. |
| 23:29:42 | Llorean | SETH_HIKARU: Honestly, I've heard a few complaints about you acting up in this channel by this point. I haven't been around to see them myself, but they're from people I trust. |
| 23:29:45 | Strife89 | Ah. The wiki makes it sound like I should engage hold and hold [left] BEFORE powering on. |
| 23:29:49 | Llorean | SETH_HIKARU: So I'm going to tell you now: Be civil in this channel. |
| 23:30:00 | Llorean | Strife89: Feel free to update it to be more clear, then. :) |
| 23:30:21 | Strife89 | I suppose I will (just give me an hour). :) |
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| 23:32:34 | potvsktl | would anyone be interested in pointing me in the direction of getting rockbox onto a gigabeat s from windows? im having a difficult time with the instructions in wiki |
| 23:32:46 | BigBambi | potvsktl: It is a bit of a nightmare |
| 23:33:04 | potvsktl | seems that way |
| 23:33:17 | Llorean | potvsktl: Rockbox on the S is still a development version. If you aren't planning on working on it, there's not much sense installing it yet. |
| 23:33:39 | potvsktl | i was under the impression it was close to complete? |
| 23:33:42 | BigBambi | potvsktl: You have to do large amounts of mucking about with installing and removing drivers and other stuff |
| 23:34:05 | potvsktl | ah i see, the directions make it seem fairly straightforward (in their vagueness) |
| 23:34:13 | BigBambi | It is from linux |
| 23:34:55 | potvsktl | alright sounds like ill wait for more progress then |
| 23:35:07 | SETH_HIKARU | cd C:/Rockbox/rockbox/apps/plugins/doom/i_video.c |
| 23:35:14 | SETH_HIKARU | whoops sorry |
| 23:35:18 | markun | :) |
| 23:35:19 | SETH_HIKARU | wrong text box |
| 23:35:30 | BigBambi | It is probably easier - horrible windows isnatll is one blocker, as are things like to charging support etc. |
| 23:35:31 | scorche|sh | ... |
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| 23:35:33 | SETH_HIKARU | that would be funny if i actually did something |
| 23:35:45 | markun | well, you can't CD to a file anyway |
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| 23:35:51 | SETH_HIKARU | i know |
| 23:35:52 | scorche|sh | SETH_HIKARU: last warning...stay on topic |
| 23:35:54 | SETH_HIKARU | still |
| 23:36:18 | Llorean | potvsktl: It'll be listed in the supported targets when it's ready enough for users. |
| 23:36:31 | SETH_HIKARU | ok but i was engrossed in the keyboard so thats why that happened |
| 23:36:44 | potvsktl | great, thanks |
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| 23:37:02 | scorche|sh | SETH_HIKARU: i dont care...if you accidently did something, fine...dont spend more lines talking about how funny it was though |
| 23:37:40 | SETH_HIKARU | oh ya i was wondering about that alpine cd player emulator for the archos how come it only works on there |
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| 23:38:54 | markun | SETH_HIKARU: do you have a link? |
| 23:38:59 | SETH_HIKARU | ya |
| 23:39:01 | SETH_HIKARU | hodl |
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| 23:40:27 | Bagder | Yodel? |
| 23:40:33 | SETH_HIKARU | its the first plugin |
| 23:40:34 | SETH_HIKARU | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex |
| 23:40:58 | bluebrother | PluginAlpineCDC |
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| 23:41:40 | SETH_HIKARU | yes |
| 23:41:47 | bluebrother | well, you need a pin for interfacing. The player needs to have a unused one ... |
| 23:41:58 | SETH_HIKARU | and the ipod doesnt |
| 23:42:06 | markun | and it needs to be bidirectional |
| 23:42:20 | SETH_HIKARU | and the ipod video doesnt have one does it |
| 23:43:10 | SETH_HIKARU | yes, no? |
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| 23:45:10 | markun | I thought the video out signal was connected to the headphone socket |
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| 23:46:39 | Strife89 | Well, I just registered myself in the Wiki (as MichaelCarr), so.... May I have write permission? |
| 23:47:36 | markun | Strife89: one moment |
| 23:47:53 | * | preglow wonders about the d2 iram issue |
| 23:48:43 | markun | Strife89: done |
| 23:48:50 | Strife89 | Alright, thanks. :) |
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| 23:49:38 | * | SETH_HIKARU slaps SETH_HIKARU around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:50:06 | * | bluebrother sighs |
| 23:50:40 | SETH_HIKARU | how did u do that bluebrother |
| 23:50:57 | SETH_HIKARU | actually nevermind id rather stay on topic |
| 23:51:25 | SETH_HIKARU | when you use VMware to compile what os do you use |
| 23:51:53 | SETH_HIKARU | or do you just use pure bash as your os |
| 23:52:10 | Bagder | bash is a shell, not an OS |
| 23:52:58 | SETH_HIKARU | oh so what do you use then |
| 23:53:03 | bluebrother | and there it goes ... one more entry on my ignore list. |
| 23:53:14 | SETH_HIKARU | you do that |
| 23:53:14 | Bagder | I use bash or tcsh on Linux |
| 23:53:20 | SETH_HIKARU | oh |
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| 23:53:31 | SETH_HIKARU | do u ever get any problems compiling |
| 23:53:45 | Bagder | yes, but then I fix my mistakes and rebuild ;-) |
| 23:53:48 | Llorean | SETH_HIKARU: The channel guidelines also make it clear to use real words, nothing like "u" |
| 23:53:57 | SETH_HIKARU | ok |
| 23:54:03 | SETH_HIKARU | sorry i meant okay |
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| 23:55:12 | SETH_HIKARU | so Bagder: Do you use VMware then Linux on top of that? |
| 23:55:23 | Bagder | no |
| 23:55:24 | markun | SETH_HIKARU: you can use the vmware image here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform#Quick_start_guide |
| 23:55:40 | Bagder | I use plain Linux with no VM at all |
| 23:55:45 | SETH_HIKARU | oh |
| 23:56:10 | markun | SETH_HIKARU: vmware only makes sense if you run windows (or another non unix-like OS) |
| 23:56:58 | SETH_HIKARU | thank youuuuuuuu |
| 23:58:01 | shotofadds | preglow: yeah, the performance was so suspiciously bad I tried a few tests - couldn't believe the difference after I disabled IRAM. Until we /really/ need performance I think we should ignore IRAM entirely for the time being. |
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