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#rockbox log for 2008-06-25

00:00:05Bagder1741% is a pretty good number!
00:00:35SETH_HIKARUso wheres the part where i hit myself in the head because something went wrong on the VM
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00:00:56BagderSETH_HIKARU: that's what you google for
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00:01:32mib_3p2tw8s9hey u guys i need some help with a game called silab client.
00:01:43BigBambimib_3p2tw8s9: Which as what to do with Rockbox?
00:01:56shotofaddsBagder: well, all this decoding speed just means I can load duff data from the NAND even faster now :p
00:02:07shotofaddsuntil preglow gets his SD driver working :>
00:02:15SETH_HIKARUhey ive heard of that were do you get it
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00:04:22BigBambiwhat now
00:04:24SETH_HIKARUwhere do you get silab client at
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00:04:26MTeeshouldn't the default encoding in the text viewer be : UTF-8 ?
00:04:39scorche|shSETH_HIKARU: silab?
00:04:42BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: What has that got to do with Rockbox?
00:04:52SETH_HIKARUits a game for it
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00:05:08preglowshotofadds: any examples on how fast things decode?
00:05:15LloreanSETH_HIKARU: No, it's not
00:05:16scorche|shrockbox doesnt have any games called silab..
00:05:22BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: I've never heard of it
00:05:25shotofaddspreglow: yeah just up there ^^^
00:05:33SETH_HIKARUoh i thought it was
00:05:46SETH_HIKARUwell someone was just talking about it
00:05:47BigBambipreglow: A summary would be very by the sounds of it :)
00:06:02BigBambiSETH_HIKARU: They were off topic and so, yet again, are you
00:06:04preglowshotofadds: hahaha
00:06:17shotofadds1740% on flac_8, 580% on lame_320 .... if only we had a wiki page for these things :p
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00:06:25preglowshotofadds: we do, afaik
00:06:28SETH_HIKARUpeople always do that to me
00:06:32MTeeJust asking, should the default encoding for the text viewer be UTF-8, or not ?
00:06:34preglowshotofadds: is that at 192 mhz?
00:06:51shotofaddsthat's "whatever test_codec uses" .. so I assume so, yes
00:06:53preglowshotofadds: really nice performance
00:06:57markunMTee: I don't know. It probably should default to whichever codepage is selected in rockbox.
00:07:13shotofaddsbtw. the wiki comment was sarcasm.... kinda lost in text form
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00:07:40markunMTee: but I would be happy if all test was UTF-8 :)
00:07:46shotofaddsyeah, it surprised me how close it is to the Gigabeat F's 300MHz
00:07:54SETH_HIKARUi had a question about something in rockbox like a codec but i forgot
00:08:07BigBambiWhy the hell tell us that
00:08:12Mode"#rockbox +o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
00:08:18markunBigBambi: just to piss us off of course
00:08:19Mode"#rockbox +b %SETH_HIKARU!*@* " by scorche|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
00:08:25BigBambimarkun: ah yes, silly me
00:08:51SETH_HIKARUi just wanted to inform you of a question i was going to ask you shortly
00:08:51scorche|shSETH_HIKARU: you are muted for 10 minutes...please use this time to go over the guidelines and stop doing what you have in the past
00:09:07scorche|sh...this means they cant hear you ;)
00:09:16shotofaddspreglow: MpegPlayer seems to run at a decent rate too (>20fps by the looks of it) but the video is rotated. lcd_yuv_blit() needs fixing...
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00:10:57*shotofadds wonders whether gevaerts looked any further into that TCC USB driver?
00:11:21MTeemarkun : test ?
00:11:51shotofaddsamiconn: i'll update that page one day when I've run a full set of tests.
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00:12:20markunMTee: test for UTF-8 you mean?
00:14:14shotofaddspreglow: from some discussions we had a while ago, do I remember right that you implemented a udelay() for d2?
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00:15:55xqtftqxGuys, it keeps saying its read only
00:17:01MTeemarkun : isn't it scarce for a text file to contain non-unicode characters, or is it ?
00:18:52markunnon-unicode? as in ascii?
00:18:59markunor other encodings?
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00:19:46*stripwax wonders how we are supposed to react to xqtftqx
00:20:05MTeeno, unicode is a superset of ascii if I may recall, I meant other encondings
00:20:37Mode"#rockbox -o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
00:21:48MTeeI know that unicode supports most of the world's languages so that's why I asked about how possible it is for a text file to contain non-unicode characters
00:22:03stripwaxI don't imagine it's scarce for a text file to make use of codepage-dependent characters from ascii. E.g. anything with accented characters or block graphics
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00:22:47stripwaxBut then, I don't know what other encodings are in use apart from ascii(+codepages) and unicode. Anyone still usee EBDIC? (MTee - is that your question effectively?)
00:25:00preglowshotofadds: i kind of did, but 1) it used 16 us (i think) resolution, and 2) vmware lost it for me
00:25:16preglowshouldn't be too hard to recreate, though
00:25:18MTeeI don't know much about EBCDIC, I was just asking that to know whether UTF-8 be the default encoding
00:25:50MTeestripwax : because anything in ascii is also supported by unicode, am I right ?
00:26:06shotofaddspreglow: no worries, just curious.
00:27:07stripwaxMTee - it ought to be but the encoding is different
00:27:09preglowvmware bloody lost most of the changes to my tree at one point
00:27:13stripwax*can be different
00:27:14preglowhow i hate rewriting code
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00:28:25MTeestripwax : aha.. I see.
00:28:26stripwaxMTee - I'm sure I can find text files that will render incorrectly if the viewer thinks they are UTF-8 when they are not.
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00:28:32xqtftqxOk guys, fast question if i copy everything then format this gigabeat s, and replace it, will it format the firmware partion?
00:28:33markunxqtftqx: do you have problems with your connection?
00:29:00stripwaxxqtftqx - do you mean, if you format the firmware partition, will it format the firmware partition?
00:29:29stripwaxwhat are you trying to do
00:29:47markunand why do people love to format their players :)
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00:30:21stripwaxdoes the gigabeat not have a recovery tool / manufacturer firmware install utility / etc?
00:30:25MTeestripwax : I didn't mention that it represented everything correctly, I just thought it supports more character-sets than other encoding hence it should be the default
00:30:26xqtftqxYes connecting problems
00:30:32xqtftqxMOunts as read only in linux
00:30:37xqtftqxJust gonna format
00:30:49xqtftqxmay fix it, i dont know, ive done everything else
00:31:15stripwaxMTee - hm, not sure I follow. UTF-8 is just one encoding that interprets the bytes in your text file one way. Codepage 850 is another encoding that interprets the bytes in your text file another way
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00:31:42stripwaxIf all of my text files were Codepage 850, it wouldn't make sense (to me) to use a default codepage of UTF-8, but maybe I'm misunderstanding
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00:32:09stripwaxDo UTF-8 text files always use a BOM?
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00:32:23*stripwax wonders, if so, why it makes sense to have it as a selectable codepage
00:32:37amiconnNo they don't
00:32:45MTeestripwax : what's BOM ?
00:32:46stripwaxThey don't, or they don't always
00:32:55amiconnIt's optional
00:33:31amiconnThere is no real reason to use a BOM, as the byte order is fixed. But the BOM is sometimes used as a marker for an UTF-8 file
00:33:32stripwaxMTee - an indicator at the start of the file to say "this file is in UTF-8". It's a sequence of bytes
00:34:01stripwaxor what amiconn said, since he's way more knowledgable :)(
00:34:08MTeeI see
00:34:31pixelmae.g if you use a BOM in an fmr file - the first line gets skipped (more of a bug but still...)
00:35:29stripwaxSo without any sort of indicator in the text file, how my text files look depends on my codepage.
00:35:45stripwaxpixelma - hmm...
00:37:47MTeestripwax : I don't know, and I would be happy to know the answer to such question :)
00:39:12stripwaxMtee - it wasn't a question actually!
00:39:49MTeeoops .. sorry, just noticed
00:40:15stripwaxas markun said, if all text was UTF-8, there wouldn't be a 'default codepage' discussion ;-)
00:41:07preglowhow sweet that would be
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00:42:53stripwaxDoes xqtftqx think "just formatting" is going to achieve something? Wasn't he on here yesterday because he had just formatted it already?
00:43:07*stripwax shrugs, again
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00:45:24*preglow tries d2 playback
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00:45:55preglowat least for the files the nand driver can access :P
00:49:16preglowoooh, a hang
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00:53:20pregloweven now it's really responsive and nice, though
00:53:22preglowi like it
00:56:28preglowshotofadds: the nand driver really is thoroughly flaky for me still
00:56:57preglowshotofadds: most of the stuff on my d2 just doesn't work, and writing to a file pretty much always messes it up
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02:18:46SETH_HIKARUMy iPod crashed
02:19:03SETH_HIKARUit gives me an error on boot
02:19:29scorche|shit would probably be useful to know that error
02:19:38SETH_HIKARUbut then it just reboots and I dont have enought time to read the error code
02:19:45agaffneyis it completely necessary to have a nick composed of all uppercase letters?
02:19:55SETH_HIKARUis universal
02:19:59SETH_HIKARUso leave me alone
02:20:03scorche|shif you dont have the time to read the error, then i dont have the time to help you
02:20:12SETH_HIKARUit wont let me
02:20:16SETH_HIKARUit goes so fast
02:20:21SETH_HIKARUit wont let me read it
02:20:22LloreanSETH_HIKARU: Seriously, if it shows up every time, you can get one or two letters each time, and eventually have it...
02:20:34LloreanThen how do you know it's an error message?
02:20:41agaffneythen how do you even know there's an error message?
02:20:43SETH_HIKARUbecause it wont boot
02:21:11LloreanThat doesn't mean the message is an error message.
02:21:16SETH_HIKARUi can see a quick flash of it but its like 10 to 5 milliseconds long
02:21:16agaffneyso...right now, you've told is "it's broke, fix it for me!"
02:21:23SETH_HIKARUno i havent
02:21:29LloreanSETH_HIKARU: It's impossible to help you without more information.
02:21:34scorche|shso what are we supposed to do?...fix it via telepathy?
02:21:44agaffneyscorche|sh: you mean we can't do that?
02:21:44SETH_HIKARUwell can i just remove rockbox and put it back on
02:21:49scorche|shthen do it
02:22:00scorche|shyou dont need to ask our permission first
02:22:16SETH_HIKARUill check back if i have any problems
02:22:25SETH_HIKARUand i wasnt
02:23:19Shaidwait, does it actually boot?
02:23:31Shaidor do you just push the power button and it flashes on then off?
02:23:48SETH_HIKARUno it boots
02:23:56SETH_HIKARUthen it flashes an error code
02:24:02SETH_HIKARUbut its too late
02:24:15SETH_HIKARUi already uninstalled it and reinstalled it and not it works
02:24:20SETH_HIKARUnow it works
02:24:38SETH_HIKARUso nevermind
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02:24:43SETH_HIKARUi fixed my own problem
02:24:55scorche|shstop doing
02:24:56scorche|shthis sort
02:24:58scorche|shof thing
02:25:37SETH_HIKARUmabye you should stop first
02:26:02zescorche|sh: every time i look in here i see something that looks like people're just being nitpicky with him :p
02:26:12scorche|shi did it to point out how annoying it is
02:26:44zewould've thought arbitrary annoyance would be severely OT for this chan :p
02:27:03agaffneyI'm pretty sure the IRC guidelines tell you not to use the enter key instead of the space key to separate words in a sentence
02:27:13scorche|shor punctuation
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02:27:42saratogahonestly the IRC guidelines are supposed to keep people from doing whatever just happened on my IRC window, so if this is ok, then the guidelines are clearly flawed
02:28:09agaffneythey're not flawed
02:28:17saratogai suspected as much
02:28:18agaffneyit's just that certain people seem to ignore them completely
02:28:27scorche|shit isnt...he is on his last warning before he goes out the door for a while
02:28:37agaffneytheir enforcement is flawed :P
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02:28:53*scorche|sh just tries to be too nice
02:29:09agaffneyscorche|sh: I gave that up long ago
02:29:44*Shaid tries to be nice too
02:29:46scorche|sheh...i feel that banning is something that rarely should ever be done
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02:29:55agaffneynobody suggested banning
02:30:05agaffneybut a good kick is a nice temporary fix
02:30:13scorche|shhe has already been muted once today...which i like to use instead of kicks
02:30:55zemakes sense... kick's just a couple lines of scroll for everybody... mute actually has an effect :p
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03:09:38adamgoldingdo any of the scrobbling submission systems submit musicbrainz ids?
03:11:18wpyhhmm... any ideas why Ozaru's nano couldn't boot properly? Not a hardware issue since he can boot the OF fine
03:14:40SETH_HIKARUi cant wait for ipodlinuxs site to go up again cause im putting it on my ipod as soon as it does
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03:24:40xqtftqxI craped up, i half convertered to ntfs
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03:24:54xqtftqxI did a total reinstall
03:25:05xqtftqxand so far its working, new bootloader and everything
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03:27:04SETH_HIKARUscorche|sh: What are YOU doing in #iPodLinux!?
03:27:26SETH_HIKARUnyone there
03:27:33SETH_HIKARUor is this an outage
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03:30:58SETH_HIKARUis this stupid netsplit over
03:30:58adamgoldingdo any of the scrobbling submission systems submit musicbrainz ids?
03:31:43SETH_HIKARUwhats going ton
03:32:58SETH_HIKARUhello anyone there to tell me whats going ON??????
03:32:59ShaidHave you read the irc guidelines in the topic, SETH_HIKARU?
03:33:16ShaidAre you deliberately ignoring them?
03:33:22SETH_HIKARUbut why is everyone quitting and joining
03:33:24SETH_HIKARUim not
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03:34:03SETH_HIKARUso how long is this going to last
03:34:26SETH_HIKARUanyway is scorche here
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04:14:43agaffneyugh, can we please just ban SETH_HIKARU due to excessive amounts of stupid?
04:14:51agaffneyhe was more annoying than the netsplits
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04:22:09mib_eii6zd26Hola, umm im still getting the ipod photo bug wats the best to fix it?
04:22:43JdGordon|zzzinverted colours?
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04:22:51mib_eii6zd26yup :/
04:23:03mib_eii6zd26its more switched
04:24:27JdGordon is supposedly the most recent working version
04:24:44mib_eii6zd26okay thanks let me try
04:25:37mib_eii6zd26Sweet :D thanks its working
04:25:51JdGordonnot everyone has the problem, and I think none of the devs do.. so if you can stick around (or peost on the mailing lists) it would be good if oyu could help test out patches
04:26:09mib_eii6zd26okay i would be glad too
04:26:22mib_eii6zd26i heard that we got codes from ipod linux
04:28:07mib_eii6zd26ive got nothing else to do tonight so just post away and ill test them for yall
04:28:32JdGordonwell... im not sure which devs were working on it... and they are all alseep now anyway
04:29:21mib_eii6zd26o ok well ill be on so..
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04:38:07adamgoldingdo any of the scrobbling submission systems submit musicbrainz ids?
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04:42:46JdGordonadamgolding: dont think so
04:43:47adamgoldingok, i hope that can be put on a future feature list somewhere
04:44:56JdGordonare they stored in a tag?
04:44:58Shaiddoes it have an open API spec, adamgolding?
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04:52:53adamgoldingShaid oh, i'm sure it does
04:52:55adamgoldingit's stored in a tag
04:53:03adamgoldingthe guys at #Musicbrainz know more about it than me
04:53:24adamgoldingi'm sure you'd all get along too, two of the more important open-source music things imo
04:54:07xxbatman94xxum on some themes how come the playback goes to the default player rather than the one on the theme?
04:54:46wpyhI'm going to be away for a while but here's one thing that puzzles me: I don't see any SDRAM chip on the iriver T60 take-apart pictures. Could it be that the CPU has integrated RAM (SA58700X07)? But IIRC the Meizu has the same chip and also has a RAM chip on board
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05:03:03JdGordonxxbatman94xx: because the syntax was changed yesterday so old themes are broken
05:04:34xxbatman94xxo ok thanks
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05:05:22JdGordonif you can run perl scripts you can easily fix it yourself...
05:05:37JdGordonor you can fix it yourself with a text editor and brain pwer :p
05:05:46xxbatman94xxi wish :P
05:06:24JdGordonna, its not that hard... just 2 tags were changed
05:06:44xxbatman94xxyup but im not that good with coding :/
05:06:51xxbatman94xxi can make a website :P
05:07:39JdGordonits simpler than making a webiste...
05:07:56JdGordonopen the .wps for the theme in a text editor.... find the line that has %P and %pb
05:09:15xxbatman94xxi found %pb but no %P
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05:10:13xxbatman94xxmay i remind you im using the r17714 because i have an ipod photo :P
05:11:01JdGordonah yes... then you should be fine...
05:11:13JdGordonunless your using the theme from the current svn with that old buiold?
05:11:47xxbatman94xxoh okay :P well then its just a bad theme then :P
05:12:17xxbatman94xxits been there forever it the ajant blue
05:13:19xxbatman94xxi think im just gonna make my own theme
05:15:13*JdGordon suggests making a theme and using the switched colours so it goes back to normal untill the probalem is fixed
05:16:15xxbatman94xxooohh good idea thanks
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05:53:38xxbatman94xxwhat is the best way to create your own theme?
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05:57:59tdtookeanybody available that I can bug with questions on wps tags?
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06:08:04andyd273good evening, anyone up?
06:08:09JdGordontdtooke: depends which tags
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06:09:03tdtookeAh...basically I want to add a field to the %pb tag which I have succesfully done for a slider progressbar, I just want it to ignore if it does not have it for regular themes
06:09:34andyd273wow, the web client has some lag...
06:11:10tdtookein the getting started and compiling forum I posted the code I'm using
06:13:11andyd273I have a sansa e260 v1, and the OF's lack of any real support for audiobooks, or things that really need to play in order is frustrating for me, and so I am hoping to switch to RockBox, but before I do I want to make sure there isn't anything that I should be aware of. I found out about the lack of USB support, which is sad, but since I can boot to the OF I guess I can live with it.
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06:13:52scorcheandyd273: you will likely want to check out the manual
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06:14:44andyd273I've pretty much read the whole manual, though I admit I skimmed a bit once it got into the settings part
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06:15:30andyd273I'm just trying to be as prepared as possible
06:15:33wastreli have a e250r
06:15:56wastrelit automatically boots into OF when you plug it into USB if it's powered off
06:16:08wastrelv. convenient for transfer & charging.
06:17:06wastrelwhat sort of special support does one need for audiobooks?
06:18:05andyd273I guess the only real question I have is if I can still listen to DRMed audiobooks from audible or netlibrary if I boot into the OF, or will I loose that functionality?
06:18:24Shaidthe OF will do whatever it use to do before it was rockboxed.
06:18:55scorcheaudible?...what version of the original firmare do you have?
06:19:15wastrelah drm. never touch the stuff
06:20:21andyd273@wastrel, I think I read that, but it's good to know for sure.
06:22:36andyd273Well, I loaded one audiobook onto mine. It was ripped from CD to MP3 using itunes (just for the ease of naming albums and tracks). When I went to play it, it put them in the order of cd1-track1, cd2-track1, cd1-track2, cd2-track2, etc... which obviously wont work, and I havent found a way to arrange them correctly
06:23:22wastrelyou'd have to make a playlist i think
06:24:40andyd273I don't much like DRM either... but running it through audasity to undrm it is a long process... and I'd avoid it if I only plan on listening to the story once
06:25:12andyd273Sorry, my lag here is about 4 minutes I think... I may have to find a real IRC client...
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06:27:03scorcheandyd273: what firmware version do you have?
06:27:28scorche(just want to make sure you do have a v1 since you mentioned audible)
06:27:50andyd273does anyone know of any really lightweight irc clients that'll run on vista for free?
06:28:05scorchethat is a bit offtopic for this channel...
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06:31:23andyd273*sighs* stupid back button
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06:32:59paulproteusI have Rockbox on my Sansa e200r, and I don't know how to work the playlist UI.
06:33:18scorchepaulproteus: the manual is good for this sort of thing
06:33:38paulproteusI can click save playlist, but no buttons I press after being presented with the on-screen keyboard (with the text are pre-filled with "dynamic.m3u") make the playlist actually appear when I click "View catalog".
06:33:41andyd273I guess a playlist is an option, but it's more trouble than I really want to go through. I got spoiled by my wifes sansa clip. it has a folder just for audiobooks and one just for podcasts, and it keeps everything seperate from the music, and does everything automatically...
06:33:57paulproteusscorche, Okay, I read the playlist section, but I guess I have to go up a little...
06:34:27paulproteusOkay, got it, it's the play button.
06:35:11andyd273I just wish they would get the OF for the e200 series up to the level that the clip has.
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07:14:00DaCapnWhat's the story with themes with special icons and progress bars? How do you get them to show up?
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07:26:18PaulJamDaCapn: there was a rework of some WPS tags, so many themes are currently broken.
07:27:21DaCapnOh, okay, thanks.
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07:42:58NekospecialI need help
07:43:10NekospecialI tried installing Rockbox and now my iPod won't even boot
07:43:18Nekospecialit keeps resetting
07:43:44Nekospecialand won't even turn off
07:45:31scorchewhich ipod?
07:46:30NekospecialiPod video 30gb
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07:47:18Nekospecialwhen I plug in the USB cord, nothing happens and it still keeps resetting
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07:47:54scorchewhen it resets, hold select and play at the same time
07:49:41Nekospecialit doesn't work
07:50:15Nekospecialwait, something happened
07:51:41Nekospecialokay, I have a "Disk Mode" screen with a picture of a checkmark and it says "OK to disconnect." try the installation again as it says in the manual
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07:53:50Nekospecialchrist, thank god it's not broken
07:54:07NekospecialI think I'll try the manual install method this time
07:54:14scorchean ipod has never been broken due to Rockbox to my knowledge
07:54:30scorcheif you managed to, i would be quite impressed
07:55:34Nekospecialand I would throw the iPod through my wall
07:55:55scorchei dont think that would help
07:56:10Nekospecialno, it wouldn't
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07:56:33Nekospecialso I used the Rockbox Utility to install it
07:56:41Nekospecialand it seemed to install fine
07:56:50Nekospecialuntil it tried to install themes
07:56:59NekospecialI got an error message saying there were no themes found
07:57:23Nekospecialdid that cause the problem?
07:58:10scorcheno...that is due to no themes being where it looks...bandwidth issues on the site
07:59:13Nekospecialokay, let me try it again then
07:59:29Nekospecialif this doesn't work, I'll try manually installing it
07:59:34scorcheit isnt that temporary
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08:05:16Nekospecialthere we go! now it works
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08:05:21Nekospecialthanks for you help!
08:06:27Nekospecialwow, this looks WAY better than the regular interface
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08:27:11Buschelamiconn: do you remember what limits the lcd framerates on the 5G? is it the transfer from buffer to BCM-registers, or waiting for the sync to be allowed to start the next update?
08:31:58amiconnThere is no more wait-for-sync. That's the main trick to get framerates that high
08:32:44Buschelamiconn: so, the framereate is fully dependent upon the copy-function
08:32:51amiconnThe update command is issued asynchronously as necessary
08:33:03amiconnIf you have a look at the rightmost column, you see the limiting factor. It's plain memory transfer speed...
08:34:22Buschelso, using 8 reg's for ldm/stm instead of 4 reg's won't speed it up anymore?
08:34:35amiconnThe transfer routine already uses ldma/stmia. The latter is possible because the bcm addresses are only 3 bit, and the bcm is hooked up with its address bits 0..2 to the PP's address bits 16..18
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08:37:10amiconnIt might even slow it down a bit, as using 8 regs would increase the call overhead
08:38:15Buschelamiconn: i'll give a (short) try then.
08:38:22Buschelbye, gotta go to work
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08:45:39Nekospecialokay, now my iPod won't show up in Floola
08:45:50Nekospecialplus, I can't seem to boot to the original firmware
08:46:23Nekospecialthis kind of sucks
08:46:29Corsacbatt 4.14V
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08:47:08lufthanzadoes rockbox work with xfs?
08:47:09Corsachmhm, version r15804-071125
08:47:21CorsacI *guess* I could upgrade
08:48:14scorcheNekospecial: i have no idea what floola is and it is quite easy to boot into the original firmware...
08:48:35scorchelufthanza: no
08:49:05lufthanzascorche: that's horrible... jfs?
08:49:14scorchewhy is it horrible?
08:49:21Nekospecialscorche: Floola is a music-management software like iTunes but can be used cross-platform and supports song synchro on different computers (unlike iTunes)
08:49:43scorcheNekospecial: then go bug them about your ipod not showing up there...
08:49:51lufthanzascorche: because xfs is leaps and bounds better than fat32
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08:50:24lufthanzaisn't rockbox uclinux based?
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08:51:16Lloreanlufthanza: FAT32 is the only filesystem supported because more complicated filesystems are almost completely unnecessary for the simple job of storing MP3s, meanwhile FAT32 is supported in virtually any OS you can expect to plug one of these players into.
08:51:22scorchelufthanza: this is a DAP...other filesystems would just bloat the core a *LOT*, take away usable RAM, would restrict the amount of platforms that you could connect to greatly, etc
08:52:01CorsacI don't think there's a linux-based mp3 player os
08:52:09Corsacexcept maybe ipodlinux, but…
08:52:11BagderrCorsac: there are
08:52:19Bagderrseveral OFs are linux-based
08:52:20LloreanThe native OS of the Gigabeat F was too, wasn't it?
08:52:36Corsacand do they provide sources?
08:52:43Bagderryes and no
08:52:53scorcheof course being linux based doesnt in the least mean that they will support xfs
08:53:00Corsacof course
08:53:00scorcheit would be quite pointless to
08:53:07Bagderryes, for the plain uncustomized kernel and busybox etc
08:53:15Bagderrno for all the intresting parts
08:53:22Corsacand binary modules and stuff like that
08:53:23Corsacok :)
08:54:19NekospecialI followed the directions on restarting into the original firmware and all the iPod does is keep resetting
08:54:33Nekospecialif I put the hold switch to off, then it stops resetting and boots into Rockbox
08:54:55lufthanzai still like journaling in almost every stiuation, including on my ssd
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08:55:17LloreanNekospecial: This suggests you've somehow caused the original firmware to become corrupt or otherwise unavailable.
08:55:36scorchelufthanza: as we is a bit pointless on a DAP and the cons are not enough to warrant any gains you would get
08:55:50scorchethat being said, feel free to implement xfs support
08:56:08NekospecialLlorean: so basically, I'm fucked and can't put new stuff on my iPod?
08:56:08lufthanzaperhaps i will someday
08:56:38scorcheNekospecial: the language is unnecessary and you can use disk mode
08:56:39LloreanNekospecial: No, disk mode still works for transferring things.
08:57:05Corsachmhm, what's the preferred way to upgrade a rockbox install without losing one's settings
08:57:17scorcheCorsac: just as is said in the manual
08:57:45Corsacok, I'll check (:/)
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09:03:44GodEaterdid database.unignore get committed in the end?
09:04:39disorganizerJdGordon: online?
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09:06:14LloreanGodEater r16214
09:08:04GodEaterwow - I thought it wasn't going in as it was going to make the database scanning that much more intensive.
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09:08:42LloreanWell, it wouldn't be any more intensive than not having the .ignore file in the first place, would it?
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09:09:23GodEaterno, but it just means that any folder tree with a .ignore file in it now has to be trawled all the way to the bottom incase there's a .unignore somewhere in it
09:10:01GodEaterI guess more people must think it's a good feature than I'd originally realised would
09:10:13LloreanI bet that doesn't take very long though.
09:10:17lufthanzadoes rockbox work well with amarok and others?
09:10:32GodEaterdepends how deep the tree is
09:10:38Lloreanlufthanza: Rockbox doesn't interact with host-side apps.
09:11:21LloreanGodEater: True. Maybe we need a .recursive.ignore to say "there's no unignore beneath this" :-P
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09:11:56GodEaterhahaha - how confused would our userbase get *then* :)
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09:12:47LloreanI neither use .ignore nor .unignore, so I'm kinda indifferent.
09:12:59GodEaterI don't use the database at all, so I'm with you
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09:16:36JdGordonwe support apple lossless?
09:16:53LloreanHave for a long time.
09:16:57JdGordonyou learn something new every day :p
09:18:02JdGordonbtw, I really dont like the idea of databse.unignore... but not enough to advocate removing it
09:19:37LloreanWell, if for example I had a whole bunch of SPC "albums" and only wanted a couple of them in the database since I was just storing my collection as a backup, while I didn't want it ever to show up, it might be handy.
09:19:49LloreanBut, really, it is a bit limited use
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09:57:10PaulJam_JdGordon: have you read yesterdays log about the issue with using y or z as letters for conditional viewports? what is your opinion about that, a bug or just inaccurate documentation (the wiki says you can use a-z)?
09:57:23PaulJam_Here is the link:
09:57:29JdGordoni havnt...
09:57:36JdGordonreading now
09:58:22JdGordonah.. seems I forgot to fix that in the patch before commiting.,..
09:58:36JdGordonwhy anyone would need 24 different groups is beyond me though
09:59:15JdGordonhmm... no... it _should_ work
10:00:04PaulJam_you couldn't use more than 24 groups because of the limit to 24 viewports if i understand correctly.
10:00:26*JdGordon knows where the bug is
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10:01:27JdGordonhmm... maybe not
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10:03:14*JdGordon is confused
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10:10:21JdGordonPaulJam: thanks, fixed
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10:10:57PaulJamJdGordon: thanks for fixing.
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10:12:41*JdGordon about to overtake jhMikeS on the commit count :D
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10:44:29amiconnJdGordon: r17788 causes a new bug
10:44:38JdGordonoh goody...
10:44:50JdGordontoo much talking?
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10:47:05*JdGordon reminds amiconn that he in fact is not a mind reader and cant fix any bugs that arnt detailed....
10:49:02amiconnI didn't even test it, but refreshing resets scrolling lines, making the longer lines unreadable on smaller displays
10:49:37JdGordonyes... but all the lines should fit on the smaller screens... no?
10:49:42*JdGordon gone
10:50:30pixelmano, can't read the revision line for example - even on the slightly bigger c200 with nimbus-10 (not that big a font)
10:51:37amiconnJdGordon: Don't forget charcell... on that one most lines need scrolling
10:52:29amiconnSame goes for small bitmap lcds and large fonts, e.g. for in-car use
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11:08:41markunhi funman
11:09:36funmanI see saratoga is coming back to wma decoder ;)
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11:38:31B4gderserver maintainance tomorrow 16-21 CEST, the web site/build system will be down during a large portion of that time I think
11:39:11B4gdersvn server will remain up
11:39:42B4gdermailing list down, forums up
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12:27:40JR0THello, i've got a problem with rockbox
12:28:26pixelmaif you tell us, we might be able to help ;)
12:28:47JR0Tit won't update the database
12:28:56JR0Tand if i go to files it jams
12:29:09JR0Tive got a sansa e260
12:29:56PaulJamwhat do you mean by "it jams"?
12:30:38JR0Tit crashes
12:30:45JR0Tbut doesn't give a error
12:30:47pixelmaI don't know what you mean with "jams" but the first question coming to my mind is how you put the files on there (MTP mode using the Media player or MSC mode)
12:31:04JR0Tno if i go in main menu to files
12:31:11JR0Ton the player himself
12:32:41pixelmahow did you copy the files to your player?
12:32:43PaulJammaybe some serious filesystem corruption? have you tried to run chkdsk (or the linus equivalent)?
12:33:04JR0Ti copied the files in windows explorer
12:33:19JR0Tand OF works perfect
12:33:28JR0Twill chkdsk
12:34:18pixelmain MSC mode (the disk did get a drive letter?)
12:36:04pixelmaok, forget my idea then... just thought it could be the reason because Rockbox can't handle files copied over in MTP mode as far as I know
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12:37:53pixelmaJdGordon: (hope you'll return soon ;) ) you broke non-RTC targets btw...
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12:39:23JR0Tis it chkdsk Driveletter?
12:43:11PaulJamJR0T: i would recommend 'chkdsk D: /F' (replace the "D:" with the corrrect driveletter). that attempts to fix any issues that are found.
12:46:58JR0Tit's writing, so i guess i have/had some errors
12:49:31PaulJamthe console output should tell you if it found errors.
12:50:50JR0Tit does, but does ik also say when it's done?
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12:56:01PaulJamwhen it is done you should see a new comand prompt. on some errors it asks what to do (requiering user input, but that should be obvious from the text).
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12:58:04leftrightReplay Gain, "Track gain if Shuffled" setting. I'm certain that if shuffle is "Off" Replay Gain doesn't default to Album mode as its suppsed to do
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13:02:14PaulJamleftright: it seems to work for me. what makes you think it doesn't work?
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13:07:43leftrightPaulJam: I notice that several of my albums playback at different volume levels with "track mode if shuffled" On but shuffle is off, and I get even volume playback if I have RG set to "Album" mode, I have RG's my collection twice with different versions of foobar.
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13:10:57funman_don't come back !
13:15:39PaulJamleftright: hmm, i notice a volume jump shortly after toggling the shuffle setting on tracks where albumgain and trackgain differ by a few dB.
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13:16:40pixelmain the manual, long button presses are indicated as "Long ButtonX" and simple ones are just referenced as "ButtonX". Now there's this short-long press button combo to skip to the next directory which leads to my question: is it necessary to write "Short ButtonX + Long ButtonX" or would leaving out the "Short" be clear enough? It makes for some long (and wide) button tables...
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13:24:36leftrightpixelma: ButtonX + Long ButtonX, isn't as clear as quick ButtonX + long Button X
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13:27:45leftrightPaulJam: yes there is a volume level change if shuffle is ON and "Track mode if shuffled" is selected, but if shuffle is OFF with "Track mode if shuffled" selected then it doesn't revert to Album mode
13:29:55webguest62can I request write permission to the wiki please ?
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13:32:05PaulJamleftright: so you see this when you change the "replaygain type" setting and not the shuffle setting?
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13:35:12leftrightPaulJam: No, I leave RG set to "Track mode if shuffled", then I select shuffle on, play some various music. I then select a few albums and select shuffle off, that's when I notice that albums dont playback at the same volume level
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13:38:25JR0TPaulJam thnx for the help player works perfect again :)
13:38:58PaulJamJR0T: you're welcome
13:40:11JR0Thmm flac support is nice
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13:52:07mcuelenaerecould a dutch speaking person verify this file?">
13:52:33mcuelenaerethere are probably still some inconsistencies
13:53:35gevaertsShouldn't 'installatie methode' be one word ?
13:53:56mcuelenaerewill fix that
13:54:31*gevaerts doesn't really have time to go through it all now
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13:54:50mcuelenaereI'm still not quite sure about "deïnstallatie", what do you think about that?
13:55:13mcuelenaeregevaerts: it's not necessary that you check it all; perhaps a quick glance?
13:55:25gevaertsmcuelenaere: I can do that tonight
13:55:33mcuelenaereok thanks
13:55:54gevaertsdeïnstallatie sounds good to me, but maybe 'verwijderen' is simpler
13:56:10mcuelenaereyes, I thought about that too
13:56:13gevaertsAlthough it's less specific
13:56:20mcuelenaerebut sometimes "remove" is used and sometimes "uninstallation"
13:56:31mcuelenaereso I kept close to the original
13:56:52JR0TGeen partitioe 0 op de schijf should be Geen partitie 0 op de schijf
13:57:43JR0T<translation type="obsolete">Avertissement : Ceci est un MacPod, Rockbox ne fonctionne pas dessus. Convertissez-le en un WinPod</translation> is french
13:58:07mcuelenaerehmm I thought I translated it all..
13:58:34mcuelenaere"Pas op : dit is een MacPod, Rockbox werkt hier niet op. Converteer het naar een WinPod"
13:59:14mcuelenaereah I think that type="obsolete" really means it's obsolete :)
13:59:22pixelmais it a translation file for the Rockbox Utility?
13:59:31pixelmanice :)
13:59:47mcuelenaereit only has about 4 other languages, so I thought it really needs some more :)
14:00:54mcuelenaereJR0T: what do you think about "Mountpoint" -> "Mountpunt"? I couldn't come up with a real good translation for that..
14:02:27JR0Treally don't know
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14:04:04JR0Tgoogle translate gives laadpunt
14:05:00mcuelenaereyes, but that seems really odd to me :) a linux HOWTO just uses "mounting" and "Zodra de disk is voorbereid, mount je het met het commando:
14:05:09mcuelenaereso I'm gonna stick with that
14:05:28JR0Tk, sounds fine here
14:06:58*gevaerts probably wouldn't understand 'laadpunt' if he found that in a text
14:07:47mcuelenaereis building rbutil supported on windows with only the qt toolkit installed?
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14:17:27*LambdaCalculus37 thinks FS #7331 needs a serious updating
14:17:47LambdaCalculus37It works, but sounds horrendous.
14:18:40J-23Where can I find bootloader installation instructions?
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14:19:04LambdaCalculus37J-23: The manual, of course.
14:19:09LambdaCalculus37What device, exactly?
14:19:20J-23I want to reinstall bootloader on my C200, because that bootloader looks like looped.
14:20:05J-23ahh, now I see
14:20:19J-23Can't load rockbox.mi4 \n File too big
14:20:41LambdaCalculus37Did you try extracting a new build to your c200 first?
14:20:53J-23I built it myself from SVN
14:21:16LambdaCalculus37Sounds like you may have either gotten a corrupted rockbox.mi4, or copied one from the e200 instead (which is a real long shot).
14:21:37LambdaCalculus37Did you select "Sansa c200", and not accidently hit "Sansa e200"?
14:21:40J-23I'll recompile it.
14:21:48J-23probably i selected C200
14:22:15LambdaCalculus37I did that once... never compile when you're seriously sleep deprived. ;)
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14:22:44LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay, Bonjour, good sir! :)
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14:23:02MarcGuayLambdaCalculus37: Good morning fellow Eastern Time Zone dweller.
14:26:51pixelmaMarcGuay: morning... got a short question for you so I can fix the broken H10 manuals again. Do I understand correctly that "Short \ActionWpsSkipPrev{} + Long \ActionWpsSkipPrev" works on every target? and only the "\ActionWpsAbSetBPrevDir" on some (respectively "next" for the directory skip?
14:27:00J-23Is it possible to disable rebooting to original firmware when Rockbox detects USB connection?
14:27:09J-23I want to power my player from USB
14:27:24gevaertsJ-23: yes. Since a few weeks it's even in the manual !
14:27:58LambdaCalculus37J-23: The manual has much information, Grasshopper.
14:28:05MarcGuaypixelma: My impression was that the Short-Dir+Long-Dir is universal for all targets (it's in gwps.c) and only certain targets have a ActionWpsAbSetB..{}.
14:28:15MarcGuaypixelma: Did I break the manuals? :(
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14:30:48J-23Where can I find it?
14:31:07J-23yes, I know where can I find manual
14:31:13J-23but where can I find this option?
14:31:26MarcGuayJ-23: Quick Start I thinks.
14:31:42MarcGuayJ-23: If you look at the PDF you can search it.
14:31:49pixelmaMarcGuay: only the H10 pdfs are broken, caused by this change. I think it has to do with one of the actions not "closed" with a {} or \ , which means the space to the next one is missing and the line gets too long and LaTeX doesn't know where to break it. The html one is fine as it doesn't break the lines in the button tables.
14:32:00J-23thanks, I found it.
14:32:18MarcGuaypixelma: Mrsh. Sorry about that, I did test builds. Why specific to the H10?
14:34:30pixelmaI guess because the buttons defined for those actions on the H10 just have too long names... but I wanted to write it shorter - you'd only need to opt the \ActionWpsAbSetBPrevDir and the rest will be in a part taken for all
14:35:44pixelmagot it already done and tested
14:35:57MarcGuaypixelma: Okay, I'll take a look and learn a lesson. :)
14:37:18pixelmaand another thing, not a big deal. There was also a tab in it which is frowned upon around here (and I couldn't understand why it was there where it was)
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14:38:27MarcGuaypixelma: I tried my darndest to get rid of them all. Notepad++ is configured by default to add them all over place.
14:38:45MarcGuaypixelma: I suppose I could change that, but it is handy in other circumstances...
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14:40:29mcuelenaereshould I commit it now or wait a bit more for reviewers?
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14:42:08gevaertsmcuelenaere: I'd say commit now.
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14:56:24funmanI've got a patch for wmav1 decoding :))
14:56:51funmanbut there's still a bug left in rockbox' asf parser, files are decoded at very high speed
14:57:39krazykitfunman, that's not a bug, it's a feature; you can be much more efficient at listening to music ;)
14:57:58LambdaCalculus37funman: We want files decoded at high speed. ;)
14:58:07LambdaCalculus37Did you post the patch to the tracker yet?
14:58:08funmanaah ok, I think I had put the amphetamine mode on on the simulator ;))
14:58:27LambdaCalculus37When you do, tell us what FS# it is.
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14:58:44funmanI wanted to show it to sataroga to discuss the few lines with him
14:58:50*LambdaCalculus37 looks at the RockboxUtilityDevelopment wiki page
14:59:06LambdaCalculus37funman: You can show him the patch via Flyspray.
14:59:20LambdaCalculus37Or you can pastebin what you've done so far, and give him the link to it.
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15:00:39funmanI think he's still sleeping atm
15:01:57LambdaCalculus37The channel's logged, so he'll see the links.
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15:06:57funmanI'll try to connect around 17/17h30 I think this is the time he came around yesterday
15:07:25funmanhopefully you'll get soon rockbox support for a codec nobody cares, how incredible it is !!
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15:08:33*LambdaCalculus37 would think RealAudio is a codec nobody cares about, but that's his opinion ;)
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15:33:21webguest62anybody here that can give me write access to the wiki ?
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15:34:35LambdaCalculus37webguest62: What's your wiki name?
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15:38:59LambdaCalculus37One moment.
15:39:06webguest62thanks LambdaCalculus37
15:39:53LambdaCalculus37Done. No spamming, now. ;)
15:39:57LambdaCalculus37Welcome to Rockbox!
15:40:09webguest62I won't :) uplaoding a wps I changed to vp
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15:40:39LambdaCalculus37Upload away! :)
15:40:54webguest62will I replace the original file or just add the new one ?
15:42:13LambdaCalculus37You can add the new one, and make a note that it's a viewports version; e.g. "Updated for conditional viewports"
15:42:57webguest62ok thank you LambdaCalculus37
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16:05:56xxbatman94xxhey ive got a ipod photo which has the color bug and im willing to test any patches yall got (ive also got the last working version)
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16:09:54LambdaCalculus37xxbatman94xx: Good for you! :)
16:10:16xxbatman94xxnot sarcastic?
16:10:19LambdaCalculus37xxbatman94xx: Do me a quick favor... Go to System > Debug > View HW Info, and tell me your HW rev and LCD type.
16:10:27LambdaCalculus37Not sarcastic. :)
16:10:32xxbatman94xxokay on second :P
16:10:53*LambdaCalculus37 is glad to have people come in willing to help him narrow down the LCD corruption bug
16:14:32xxbatman94xxhw rev:0x00060000 LCD: 0
16:15:22LambdaCalculus37xxbatman94xx: Thanks for the info.
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16:15:32*LambdaCalculus37 hands xxbatman94xx a jelly baby in thanks
16:16:25LambdaCalculus37xxbatman94xx: I'll try to have the patch ready soon enough. I'm still stuck at fixing the Mpegplayer corruption bug on the 4G color/photo, so it may be a bit.
16:16:30xxbatman94xxno problem :D
16:16:36LambdaCalculus37I have all of the bitmaps and menu displaying correctly.
16:16:58xxbatman94xxGreat good job :)
16:17:31LambdaCalculus37In the meantime, I want you to watch Flyspray, and come in once in a while to see when the patch is ready for testing.
16:17:31pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: what are you investigating to fix it?
16:17:51LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Because I do have a 4G iPod color, so I'm being affected by this as well.
16:18:06LambdaCalculus37I do have linuxstb to thank, since he did originally point out what needs fixing.
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16:18:32pixelmahmm... seems I can't make myself clear
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16:18:55pixelmain short: what's the plan?
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16:19:39*gevaerts slowly and patiently explains the difference between "what" and "why" to LambdaCalculus37 ;)
16:19:59LambdaCalculus37pixelma: According to this forum thread: the bug seems to be affecting certain HW revs of the iPod color/photo.
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16:20:59pixelmaI just thought I could start some discussion about the best fix, to maybe get some input of other developers...
16:21:56LambdaCalculus37My HW rev is 0x00060004, LCD type 0. Two fixes that linuxstb pointed out on that thread did indeed fix the color corruption bug on mine, but there's still one color corruption bug involving Mpegplayer.
16:21:59pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: wasn't it a combination of hardware rev and OF version?
16:22:43LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Yes, it is.
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16:23:09pixelmathat would mean one needs to find out what Apple does there as they seem to get along with the differences, no?
16:24:17LambdaCalculus37pixelma: True.
16:24:58LambdaCalculus37My iPod color has Apple firmware 1.2.1 on it, so that means that my LCD is being treated as big-endian.
16:25:27funmani prefer medium endian
16:25:47LambdaCalculus37The code that was added in r17715 configures the LCD type 0 to be little-endian.
16:25:55funmanbytes are stored at random positions
16:25:57xxbatman94xxhey where do i watch the "flyspray"
16:26:13LambdaCalculus37xxbatman94xx: There's a link to Flyspray on the front page at
16:26:42pixelmathe links below "tracker"
16:26:55xxbatman94xxfunman but on a vid they still show the movie but different colors
16:27:51LambdaCalculus37xxbatman94xx: Can you do one more thing, and boot back into the Apple firmware, and tell me what version you're using?
16:28:10funmanis swapping the image too expensive ?
16:28:29xxbatman94xxlambdacalculas37 the version on the apple firmware?
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16:29:46xxbatman94xxversion 1.2
16:30:28LambdaCalculus37Yep... Type 0 LCD being initialized as big-endian.
16:30:35*LambdaCalculus37 will be back in a moment
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17:16:24amiconnLambdaCalculus37: The proper solution would be to switch the type 0 lcd to the correct endianess as the type 1, as apples does in rev 1.1+
17:16:28preglowanyone have any nice suggestions on a recognizable sector found on an sd card?
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17:16:58amiconnThe necessary sequence should be found somehwere in the OF
17:17:50amiconnIn fact I think apple changed it for that very reason - not having to deal with different endianess depending on lcd type
17:17:52gevaertspreglow: just zero it entirely, and then put a new partition table on it
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17:21:06preglowgevaerts: and how do i recognize a partition table?
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17:22:16preglowi guess i just dump the first eight values or so with dd and check for them manually
17:22:31*preglow needs something to start his brain
17:22:37gevaertspreglow: it ends with 0x55AA.
17:22:59gevaertspreglow: why don't you just write a specific sector with known values ?
17:23:02funmanthe 511st and 512nd bytes ?
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17:29:52preglowpart table is found at offset 0?
17:31:10preglowyeah, i see it
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17:32:54funmanfear my voodoo skillz !
17:33:02funmanhi saratoga :)
17:33:10saratogawhat does your patch improve?
17:33:37xxbatman94xxgoodjob funman
17:33:47funmanthe fact that decoded samples look like real music
17:33:54funmandid you read it yet ?
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17:34:11saratogayes I looked at it, but it mostly changes things I haven't touched from ffmpeg
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17:34:28funmanwell I just remove the declaration of tmp as fixed32, since it isn't
17:34:31funmanin the normalisation
17:34:36funmani.e. 0 effect
17:34:41saratogayeah that doesn't do anything
17:34:49saratogabut why rearrange the requantization stuff?
17:35:10funmanthe coefficients ?
17:35:22funmanI just copy/pasted what was in ffmpeg
17:35:56saratogaah I see the VLC thing is in ffmpeg too
17:36:10funmanVLC ?
17:36:25funmansorry I don't have the code anymore, it's on an other computer ;)
17:36:34funmanbut I remember it a bit
17:36:52saratogavariable length coding
17:37:04saratogai wonder how that got deleted out of my source
17:37:25funmanno effect for wmav2
17:37:41funmanlemme browse websvn
17:38:05funmanhm it doesn't have line numbering
17:38:31funmanin wma_decode_init()
17:38:49funman /* compute the scale factor band sizes for each MDCT block size */
17:39:02funmanthe first 3 coefficients are 0 for wmav1
17:40:16saratogaah ok
17:40:21saratogathen this makes sense
17:40:23funmanok; and finally you are setting last_exp to 36 unconditionally, while it is set just before, at the condition that wmav1 is used
17:40:44funmanchanging that caused no changes on my listening experience, but that's "what is in ffmpeg"
17:41:17funmanthat resulted in proper decoding for me, but not for rockbox unfortunately
17:41:48funmandecoding is way too fast: i checked the audio parameters (samplerate, bitrate, channels ..) and they lookfine
17:42:14funmanbut that should mean now if there's a problem it's in asf code
17:42:55funmanwell maybe on a real device that will sound fine .. who knows :)
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17:45:20LambdaCalculus37amiconn: A bit beyond my current skills, but good advice. :)
17:47:29xxbatman94xxwelcome back LambdaCalculus37
17:49:48wastrellambda calculus is a computer science thing
17:50:15LambdaCalculus37wastrel: Yes, but talking about the origin of my nick is off-topic here.
17:50:33wastreli keep forgetting.
17:51:36*LambdaCalculus37 reminds wastrel to type /topic once in a while
18:00:37wpyhdoes anyone here know how to differentiate between WM8731 and WM8731L?
18:00:53wpyhthe iriver T60 contains such a chip, but I don't know whether it's 8731 or 8731L
18:01:22wpyhthis chip is also found in the iriver H10, which we support
18:01:37markunMaybe one is just the low power version?
18:02:00LambdaCalculus37Aren't there other devices with either chip in them?
18:02:47wpyhthe only difference I think is that the WM8731L can be initialized with a lower voltage
18:03:28wpyhthe "digital supply range (buffer)" is 1.8 to 3.6 for the 8731L vs 2.7 to 3.6 for the 8731, ditto for the "analogue supply range"
18:03:44wpyhAFAIK the H10 contains such a chip (WM8731)
18:04:35LambdaCalculus37Yes, it does.
18:04:47wpyhthe markings are different though
18:05:33wpyhon the T60 it's "WM8731S 68AEJCX", while on the H10 it's "XWM8731 4CADWRV"
18:06:16funmansaratoga: so anything left wrt this patch ?
18:06:30Corsacerf, I thought T60 was the thinkpad :)
18:06:50wpyhthe _iriver_ T60
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19:13:03adamgoldingif so, how do you sync the ratings?
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19:40:18Vilohi all
19:40:55Vilocan i ask a question?
19:41:14domonokyVilo: as long as it is rockbox related, just ask..
19:41:32Viloof course!
19:42:10ViloI'm going to buy Sansa e280, how i know that is rockbox good
19:43:06domonokyVilo: the only sure way is to check the firmware version of the OF. If it is 3.xx.xx its v2 (bad) if the version is lower, its good
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19:55:10scorche|shshotofadds: would there be any way that the bootloader could autodetect a bit so that we wont have to have 4 m200 builds?
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19:56:12fmlHello. Which infos would the developers need to fix the bug FS #9110 (playback hangs)?
19:56:23LambdaCalculus37shotofadds: Yes, at the very most, we can have two builds (one for NAND/HARP, one for AMS).
19:56:46shotofaddsscorche|sh: potentially if it doesn't detect a NAND chip it could use the SD code instead, but that seems rather wasteful code-wise.
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19:57:42Vilo<domonoky: sorry army man was in my house, how I check the firmware version of the OF?
19:57:43PaulJamfml: a reliable way to reproduce it would probably be good.
19:57:44scorche|shshotofadds: this might be something to discuss at devcon, but as said before, i am not sure the best way to handle the potential users with multiple builds
19:58:08scorche|shespecially as (iirc) you need to open the device to figure out which you have?
19:58:27shotofaddscertainly we need to be clearer about our version numbers. eg. the wiki talks about "v2"s being AMS-based, but in fact these are hardware v4 and use v4.xx firmware
19:58:47shotofaddsthe firmware version should be sufficient to tell
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19:59:03domonokyVilo: take a look at:
19:59:25fmlPaulJam: I can reliably reproduce it.
19:59:35scorche|shok...i wasnt aware that the firmware version is different between HARP and the others
19:59:45adamgoldingdoes anyone here use rockbox ratings for anythign outside of rockbox?
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19:59:47adamgoldingif so, how do you sync the ratings?
19:59:55fmlPaulJam: just added some more info to the FS entry.
20:00:11shotofaddsscorche|sh: yeah, SanDisk's firmware download page for the M200 is a work of art :)
20:00:42scorche|shit isnt as streamlined as would be nice, but we need to decide (it isnt urgent atm, i suppose) if we would rather have install simplicity or code simplicity in this matter
20:01:04shotofaddswell, there's nothing we can do about the AMS-based ones, that's an entirely different port
20:01:06LambdaCalculus37shotofadds: What is the firmware version on your m230?
20:01:33shotofaddsLambdaCalculus37:, apparently
20:01:34scorche|shof course...i wasnt referrign tot he AMS ones here
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20:02:31shotofaddsLambdaCalculus37: I had to install the US firmware to get the FM radio on this thing, damn cheapskates :/
20:02:47LambdaCalculus37And mine (a v1) was 2.2.5A.
20:03:04LambdaCalculus37SanDisk certainly has a weird numbering pattern with their firmwares. :/
20:03:18fmlPaulJam: should I provide anything displayed in the debug menu? If yes, what exactly?
20:03:19scorche|shi am not home, so i cant share my versions
20:03:34bluebrothertheir model numbering is weird too. e260 -> 4GB flash, e280 -> 8GB
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20:04:14shotofaddsLambdaCalculus37: yeah, I don't know what the score is with the v1/v2 versions.
20:06:45PaulJamfml: sorry, i'm not a developer. NicoP is the playback guru here.
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20:07:29pixelmafml: is it always in the same directory and/or do you notice whether the "disk" activity icon is active when it hangs?
20:07:41*shotofadds also needs to find a playback guru
20:07:56pixelmafml: when you play this directory from the start, of course
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20:09:47fmlpixelma: it's always in the same dir (with 18 tracks). It always hangs at the end of the 18-th. This is Sansa e200. Disk activity icon is not displayed. And yes, I just playe the whole dir through.
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20:10:10PaulJamso far i have only seen the bug with my custom build (and there i can reproduce it reliably with one specific album). but reporting or investigating bugs with custom builds is pointless. i haven't found yet an album where this happens with the official build.
20:10:26fmlpixelma: hence this bug is a bit time-expensive to reproduce :-)
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20:13:17PaulJamfml: it might help if you have a look at the buffering screen in the debug menu and look if you see something unusual there during playback of the album.
20:13:20pixelmaI've seen this occasionally - couldn't reproduce so far though - and pondlife too (once on his H300) and he said the disk had spun up and suspected something to do with buffering (during the last track). Maybe knowing the data size of that directory helps to exermine this theory?
20:15:49pixelma*examine too ;)
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20:22:21PaulJamZincAlloy: hi, i tried your brushedmetal WPS for H300 and noticed that some parts (progressbar, battery and volume) flicker a little bit when entering the WPS and at track changes. This seems to be caused by overlapping viewports (the AA and the playback icon viewports).
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20:28:49ZincAlloyPaulJam: interesting....
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20:29:59ZincAlloyPaulJam: album art isn't in a viewport, now that you mention it...
20:31:09PaulJamZincAlloy: yes it is, line 22 and 23.
20:31:22ZincAlloywhoops, wrong file, sorry
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20:39:06ZincAlloyPaulJam: fixed it :) thanks a lot!
20:39:25ZincAlloyPaulJam: gonna update it on the wiki later today
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21:21:48Arathis2Is it a known bug that midi playback (on H10/20GB) stops right before the last note?
21:22:22Arathis2My rockbox version is r17714-080611
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21:30:38preglowshotofadds: what about playback?
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21:31:12shotofaddsabout why playback doesn't actually start until the buffer is full
21:31:57shotofaddspreglow: did you notice that when you tried playback on the d2?
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21:33:33amiconnPlayback has several strange bugs. From time to time playback won't start when starting a new album. Rockbox doesn't freeze, but all I can do to make it work again is shut down and restart
21:33:57amiconn(observed this on PP only so far)
21:34:13amiconnAnother one is that playback ends a fraction of a second too early
21:34:47shotofaddsit's 100% consistent here - nothing plays until alloc reaches full. clearly I have done something stupid, but I don't really know where to look
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21:37:23GodEater_I've never seen that one amiconn, and I use my PP player a lot
21:37:54saratogai've noticed that if playback is paused, and I go to another album and try to play, it will often buffer the new track but remain paused
21:38:02amiconnWhich one? The not starting playback one?
21:38:07GodEater_yes that one
21:38:18amiconnsaratoga: That's by design
21:38:43amiconn(unpause should make it play)
21:39:16amiconnGodEater: I got that 3 or 4 times on my mini so far. Happened e.g. yesterday...
21:39:31LambdaCalculus37I've never seen that, either. And I've tried it on three PP targets.
21:40:12saratogaamiconn: should starting a new track unpause?
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21:40:31amiconnsaratoga: Nope. You need to unpause explicitly
21:40:48saratogathat seems counterintuitive to me, what is the reasoning behind that?
21:40:58shotofaddsamiconn: did you see my FIQ question the other day? I'm trying to adjust my code so it doesn't stack unless get_more is called. but including the three commented-out lines causes playback to run at about double speed. I can't work it out...
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21:42:29amiconnsaratoga: Pause is independent of track selection. And btw, either behaviour can be seen as being counterintuitive
21:43:37LloreanI personally think it'd be nice to be able to "Pause" when playback is stopped, so that a freshly inserted track queues, and buffers, but does not start (so it's ready for an absolute instant start)
21:44:05LloreanNot meant as a request or anything, but just stating that "Pause" being independent makes sense to me.
21:45:08amiconnThat would at least require solving the pause behaviour wrt voice
21:45:23amiconn(a good thing to do anyway)
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21:46:18LloreanWell, I can't imagine there's a button available for it anyway.
21:46:44PaulJamso i was now finally able to reproduce the stoppping of playback near the end of the playlist bug with an official build. but only after enabling database in RAM and dircache. so in order to check if this is related to those settings or the decreased size of the codec buffer i was wondering if there is an easy way to artificially decrease the available amount of RAM for playback.
21:46:51LloreanThough I guess an "Insert and Pause" option for when playback is stopped might do it.
21:47:22LloreanPaulJam: Increase the plugin buffer in the config-playername.h file when building.
21:48:28PaulJamLlorean: ok, thank you.
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21:51:35*amiconn has a suspicion
21:53:14amiconnshotofadds: It's actually obvious: You use 'blx' in .more_data, so you need to save lr
21:53:22amiconnIt's needed later in .exit
21:53:43*amiconn wonders why this only causes double speed instead of a horrible crash
21:54:43shotofaddsamiconn: but currently, lr is restored in .exit. the same problem still happens
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21:56:13*Bagder goes over the topic suggested for devcon
21:56:23shotofaddsplus, lr is restored just before the "b .exit"
21:56:24Bagderfunnily only one concerns rockbox core directly
21:56:50shotofaddsobviously the core is perfect :-)
21:56:59amiconnWhy are you saving r0..r3 when not jumping to .more_data, btw?
21:57:02Bagderyeah, that must be it
21:57:03amiconnYou're not using them
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21:58:57BagderI've split up the 21 subjects into 7 subcategories to make it somewhat easier to get a grip of them all
22:00:00shotofaddsamiconn: that's what I'm trying to get rid of!
22:00:40amiconnI'm not talking about the commented ones, but about the ones at lines 11 and 41
22:00:52LloreanBagder: We going to have printouts by any chance?
22:01:07amiconnMaybe I'm misunderstanding what the actual problem is?
22:01:17Bagderyes I plan to make a few at least
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22:01:31BagderI trust amiconn can make some there
22:01:33shotofaddsyes I know. 11 and 41 are the current, perfectly-working code. The goal is to remove those, which I will facilitate by adding in the 3 commented lines
22:01:37shotofaddshope that makes sense :)
22:01:40amiconnWhich verssion does work, the one where lines 45, 54 and 60 are commented out, or the one where they're not?
22:01:48shotofaddsthe pastebin works as-is
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22:02:58PaulJamhmm, when i play only the last somg from a directory the device stays always boosted.
22:03:27Bagder <= current version
22:05:25LloreanBagder: Could I suggest one more topic: What is the "goal" of RBUtil? Installer, or "overall Rockbox utility program"? Including, would it be bad to offer front ends for preparing video, album art, or other data that Rockbox expects in a single specific format?
22:05:40Bagdersure, I'll insert that
22:06:02amiconnshotofadds: So if you uncomment the 3 commented instructions it starts playing double speed, without commenting the ones at 11 and 41?
22:06:05LloreanI never even thought of adding it to the page until now, it's always just something we end up talking about in here.
22:06:43bluebrotherI too thought that it would be good to talk about that :)
22:06:55amiconnChecked fiq stack size?
22:10:15mcuelenaereamiconn: at the DevCon place, will there be enough ethernet cables for everyone or should each bring his own?
22:10:44scorche|shi can bring many if needed
22:11:05mcuelenaereit's not really a problem, but it would be nice to know :)
22:11:45amiconnThere should be enough cables I think, but I have to check for the amount of longer ones
22:11:59amiconnThere'll also be WLAN (11g)
22:12:00mcuelenaereahh ok no problem, mine is quite long so..
22:12:20shotofaddsamiconn: now I'm really confused. I've re-tested this a few times and the new code (11/41 removed, 45,54,60 added) works perfectly. You may have a point with stack usage, other than that I'm /very/ confused.
22:12:44shotofaddsalthough since I wrote that code originally the D2 no longer uses IRAM
22:13:04amiconnFor windows XP users who want to use WLAN, don't forget to install the WPA2 update (or SP3)
22:13:11bluebrotherhaving wlan is nice :)
22:13:30Bagderbut wlan is always trouble for some
22:13:34bluebrotherespecially as my LAN port is a bit broken.
22:13:48Bagderso cable is a good backup option
22:13:50amiconnBagder: Yeah, hence we'll have both
22:13:59bluebrotherI only had issues with the wlan at uni. But that's history as of now
22:14:06amiconnLarge enough switch available as well
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22:16:11bluebrotherhow about power outlets? Do we need multiple plugs?
22:16:52*scorche|sh has a power strip for any US plugs =P
22:17:46amiconnI think we'll manage to have enough power outlets
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22:19:05scorche|shamiconn: is the plan to try and figure out the video conferencing system there and default back to the webcam?
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22:20:01amiconnWe won't be able to use the video conferencing system on Friday anyway
22:20:08amiconn(different room)
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22:20:34Bagderfriday will mostly be gathering day anyway
22:21:01scorche|shindeed...i wont be getting in till late
22:21:33amiconnYes, probably
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22:22:52BagderLlorean: are you gonna wait for us at Tegel?
22:25:46LloreanBagder: I had thought about it, but I'm staying at a hotel and need to check in after I land.
22:26:09Bagderah right
22:26:59Bagderwe need to be at our place before 6pm for the same reason
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22:28:22LloreanI guess I need to know where to meet up, and at what time, on Friday then.
22:29:23Bagderyeps, we need to decide something
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22:53:25xxbatman94xxis their any ipod color/photo patches for the color bug i can test at the moment?
22:56:21krazykitxxbatman94xx, LambaCalculus is working on one, but you'd have to check flyspray to see if he posted it yet
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23:00:59shotofaddsJdGordon: awake?
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23:04:55PaulJamok, so it is not database in RAM or dircache thats causing the stopping bug. with the artificially decreased playback buffer it happens also.
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23:20:35PaulJamLlorean: you don't happen to have an idea how to decrease the playback RAM in the uisimulator? it doesn't seem to work by editing the config-target.h .
23:21:13LloreanSorry, no clue there. =/
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23:46:48Anthony_Hey i have a wuick question
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23:48:44LuckyCharmsi have a quicl question
23:48:54dionoeaThen ask the question :)
23:50:17LuckyCharmsI had rockbox running on my ipod nano last week and i just did a reinstall today but now the themes are defaulting, does anyone know why?
23:50:42scorche|shLuckyCharms: you should pay more attention to the commit log/MajorChanges page ;)
23:50:45LloreanMost themes need to be updated by their authors, certain syntax has changed.
23:51:05LuckyCharmsthats what i tought after reading the forum
23:51:42LuckyCharmsi'll do that scorche
23:52:06scorche|shLuckyCharms: MajorChanges is quite a useful wiki page for such things
23:54:04LuckyCharmsall i see is md5sum plugin? i don't really see how that would affect themes
23:54:26LloreanLuckyCharms: the changelog is where this is mentioned.
23:54:48LloreanThough I'd expect it to be in MajorChanges too
23:54:49*Llorean checks
23:55:11LloreanNo, oddly Conditional Viewports wasn't added to that.
23:55:16*scorche|sh glares at JdGordon for not putting a change as major as that on the wiki page
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23:56:06scorche|shLuckyCharms: the MajorChanges page is manually edited, so something things are this case something was forgotten, but you can always see it in the changelog
23:56:12shotofaddsoh, that reminds me...
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23:56:42LuckyCharmsis there any way for me to fix it myself or do i have to wait for the themes to be updated?
23:57:05LuckyCharmsi only need to fix the clix_ themes
23:57:08shotofaddsJdGordon (for the logs, I guess): since the fade-on-stop redraw fix I'm getting flickering of the progress bar / cabbie icons, whenever I go back to Now Playing from the main menu.
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23:58:30LloreanLuckyCharms: It's a relatively minor fix. If you read the CustomWPS page, you need to remove the %m tags (margins) and possibly put things in a new viewport to replace those tags, then update the %pb tag to the new code. it sounds complicated me saying it, but trust me, it's really not hard.

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