#rockbox 2008-06-25

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#rockbox log for 2008-06-25

00:00:05	Bagder	1741% is a pretty good number!
00:00:35	SETH_HIKARU	so wheres the part where i hit myself in the head because something went wrong on the VM
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00:00:50	amaldo	scn
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00:00:56	Bagder	SETH_HIKARU: that's what you google for
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00:01:12	SETH_HIKARU	?whattt?
00:01:32	mib_3p2tw8s9	hey u guys i need some help with a game called silab client.
00:01:43	BigBambi	mib_3p2tw8s9: Which as what to do with Rockbox?
00:01:49	BigBambi	s/as/has/
00:01:56	shotofadds	Bagder: well, all this decoding speed just means I can load duff data from the NAND even faster now :p
00:02:05	Bagder	hehe
00:02:07	shotofadds	until preglow gets his SD driver working :>
00:02:15	SETH_HIKARU	hey ive heard of that were do you get it
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00:04:16	SETH_HIKARU	hey
00:04:22	BigBambi	what now
00:04:24	SETH_HIKARU	where do you get silab client at
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00:04:26	MTee	shouldn't the default encoding in the text viewer be : UTF-8 ?
00:04:39	scorche\|sh	SETH_HIKARU: silab?
00:04:42	BigBambi	SETH_HIKARU: What has that got to do with Rockbox?
00:04:52	SETH_HIKARU	its a game for it
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00:05:08	preglow	shotofadds: any examples on how fast things decode?
00:05:11	BigBambi	Really?
00:05:15	Llorean	SETH_HIKARU: No, it's not
00:05:16	scorche\|sh	rockbox doesnt have any games called silab..
00:05:22	BigBambi	SETH_HIKARU: I've never heard of it
00:05:25	shotofadds	preglow: yeah just up there ^^^
00:05:33	SETH_HIKARU	oh i thought it was
00:05:46	SETH_HIKARU	well someone was just talking about it
00:05:47	BigBambi	preglow: A summary would be very by the sounds of it :)
00:06:02	BigBambi	SETH_HIKARU: They were off topic and so, yet again, are you
00:06:04	preglow	shotofadds: hahaha
00:06:05	preglow	nice
00:06:17	shotofadds	1740% on flac_8, 580% on lame_320 .... if only we had a wiki page for these things :p
00:06:17	SETH_HIKARU	dang
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00:06:25	preglow	shotofadds: we do, afaik
00:06:28	SETH_HIKARU	people always do that to me
00:06:32	MTee	Just asking, should the default encoding for the text viewer be UTF-8, or not ?
00:06:34	preglow	shotofadds: is that at 192 mhz?
00:06:51	shotofadds	that's "whatever test_codec uses" .. so I assume so, yes
00:06:53	preglow	shotofadds: really nice performance
00:06:57	markun	MTee: I don't know. It probably should default to whichever codepage is selected in rockbox.
00:07:13	shotofadds	btw. the wiki comment was sarcasm.... kinda lost in text form
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00:07:40	markun	MTee: but I would be happy if all test was UTF-8 :)
00:07:46	shotofadds	yeah, it surprised me how close it is to the Gigabeat F's 300MHz
00:07:54	SETH_HIKARU	i had a question about something in rockbox like a codec but i forgot
00:08:07	BigBambi	Why the hell tell us that
00:08:12	Mode	"#rockbox +o scorche\|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
00:08:18	markun	BigBambi: just to piss us off of course
00:08:19	Mode	"#rockbox +b %SETH_HIKARU!@ " by scorche\|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
00:08:19	amiconn	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CodecPerformanceComparison
00:08:25	BigBambi	markun: ah yes, silly me
00:08:32	SETH_HIKARU	yes
00:08:33	SETH_HIKARU	no
00:08:51	SETH_HIKARU	i just wanted to inform you of a question i was going to ask you shortly
00:08:51	scorche\|sh	SETH_HIKARU: you are muted for 10 minutes...please use this time to go over the guidelines and stop doing what you have in the past
00:09:07	scorche\|sh	...this means they cant hear you ;)
00:09:16	shotofadds	preglow: MpegPlayer seems to run at a decent rate too (>20fps by the looks of it) but the video is rotated. lcd_yuv_blit() needs fixing...
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00:10:57	*	shotofadds wonders whether gevaerts looked any further into that TCC USB driver?
00:11:21	MTee	markun : test ?
00:11:51	shotofadds	amiconn: i'll update that page one day when I've run a full set of tests.
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00:12:20	markun	MTee: test for UTF-8 you mean?
00:14:14	shotofadds	preglow: from some discussions we had a while ago, do I remember right that you implemented a udelay() for d2?
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00:15:55	xqtftqx	Guys, it keeps saying its read only
00:17:01	MTee	markun : isn't it scarce for a text file to contain non-unicode characters, or is it ?
00:18:52	markun	non-unicode? as in ascii?
00:18:59	markun	or other encodings?
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00:19:46	*	stripwax wonders how we are supposed to react to xqtftqx
00:20:05	MTee	no, unicode is a superset of ascii if I may recall, I meant other encondings
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00:21:48	MTee	I know that unicode supports most of the world's languages so that's why I asked about how possible it is for a text file to contain non-unicode characters
00:22:03	stripwax	I don't imagine it's scarce for a text file to make use of codepage-dependent characters from ascii. E.g. anything with accented characters or block graphics
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00:22:47	stripwax	But then, I don't know what other encodings are in use apart from ascii(+codepages) and unicode. Anyone still usee EBDIC? (MTee - is that your question effectively?)
00:23:06	stripwax	^EBCDIC
00:25:00	preglow	shotofadds: i kind of did, but 1) it used 16 us (i think) resolution, and 2) vmware lost it for me
00:25:16	preglow	shouldn't be too hard to recreate, though
00:25:18	MTee	I don't know much about EBCDIC, I was just asking that to know whether UTF-8 be the default encoding
00:25:50	MTee	stripwax : because anything in ascii is also supported by unicode, am I right ?
00:26:06	shotofadds	preglow: no worries, just curious.
00:27:07	stripwax	MTee - it ought to be but the encoding is different
00:27:09	preglow	vmware bloody lost most of the changes to my tree at one point
00:27:13	stripwax	*can be different
00:27:14	preglow	how i hate rewriting code
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00:28:25	MTee	stripwax : aha.. I see.
00:28:26	stripwax	MTee - I'm sure I can find text files that will render incorrectly if the viewer thinks they are UTF-8 when they are not.
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00:28:32	xqtftqx	Ok guys, fast question if i copy everything then format this gigabeat s, and replace it, will it format the firmware partion?
00:28:33	markun	xqtftqx: do you have problems with your connection?
00:29:00	stripwax	xqtftqx - do you mean, if you format the firmware partition, will it format the firmware partition?
00:29:29	stripwax	what are you trying to do
00:29:47	markun	and why do people love to format their players :)
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00:30:21	stripwax	does the gigabeat not have a recovery tool / manufacturer firmware install utility / etc?
00:30:25	MTee	stripwax : I didn't mention that it represented everything correctly, I just thought it supports more character-sets than other encoding hence it should be the default
00:30:26	xqtftqx	Yes connecting problems
00:30:32	xqtftqx	MOunts as read only in linux
00:30:37	xqtftqx	Just gonna format
00:30:49	xqtftqx	may fix it, i dont know, ive done everything else
00:31:15	stripwax	MTee - hm, not sure I follow. UTF-8 is just one encoding that interprets the bytes in your text file one way. Codepage 850 is another encoding that interprets the bytes in your text file another way
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00:31:42	stripwax	If all of my text files were Codepage 850, it wouldn't make sense (to me) to use a default codepage of UTF-8, but maybe I'm misunderstanding
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00:32:09	stripwax	Do UTF-8 text files always use a BOM?
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00:32:23	*	stripwax wonders, if so, why it makes sense to have it as a selectable codepage
00:32:37	amiconn	No they don't
00:32:45	MTee	stripwax : what's BOM ?
00:32:46	stripwax	They don't, or they don't always
00:32:55	amiconn	It's optional
00:32:57	stripwax	ah
00:33:31	amiconn	There is no real reason to use a BOM, as the byte order is fixed. But the BOM is sometimes used as a marker for an UTF-8 file
00:33:32	stripwax	MTee - an indicator at the start of the file to say "this file is in UTF-8". It's a sequence of bytes
00:34:01	stripwax	or what amiconn said, since he's way more knowledgable :)(
00:34:08	MTee	I see
00:34:31	pixelma	e.g if you use a BOM in an fmr file - the first line gets skipped (more of a bug but still...)
00:35:29	stripwax	So without any sort of indicator in the text file, how my text files look depends on my codepage.
00:35:45	stripwax	pixelma - hmm...
00:37:47	MTee	stripwax : I don't know, and I would be happy to know the answer to such question :)
00:39:12	stripwax	Mtee - it wasn't a question actually!
00:39:49	MTee	oops .. sorry, just noticed
00:40:15	stripwax	as markun said, if all text was UTF-8, there wouldn't be a 'default codepage' discussion ;-)
00:41:07	preglow	how sweet that would be
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00:42:53	stripwax	Does xqtftqx think "just formatting" is going to achieve something? Wasn't he on here yesterday because he had just formatted it already?
00:43:07	*	stripwax shrugs, again
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00:45:24	*	preglow tries d2 playback
00:45:47	preglow	\o/
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00:45:55	preglow	at least for the files the nand driver can access :P
00:49:16	preglow	oooh, a hang
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00:53:20	preglow	even now it's really responsive and nice, though
00:53:22	preglow	i like it
00:56:28	preglow	shotofadds: the nand driver really is thoroughly flaky for me still
00:56:57	preglow	shotofadds: most of the stuff on my d2 just doesn't work, and writing to a file pretty much always messes it up
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02:18:46	SETH_HIKARU	My iPod crashed
02:19:03	SETH_HIKARU	it gives me an error on boot
02:19:29	scorche\|sh	it would probably be useful to know that error
02:19:38	SETH_HIKARU	but then it just reboots and I dont have enought time to read the error code
02:19:45	agaffney	is it completely necessary to have a nick composed of all uppercase letters?
02:19:52	SETH_HIKARU	yes
02:19:55	SETH_HIKARU	is universal
02:19:59	SETH_HIKARU	so leave me alone
02:20:03	scorche\|sh	if you dont have the time to read the error, then i dont have the time to help you
02:20:09	SETH_HIKARU	hey
02:20:12	SETH_HIKARU	it wont let me
02:20:16	SETH_HIKARU	it goes so fast
02:20:21	SETH_HIKARU	it wont let me read it
02:20:22	Llorean	SETH_HIKARU: Seriously, if it shows up every time, you can get one or two letters each time, and eventually have it...
02:20:28	SETH_HIKARU	no
02:20:34	Llorean	Then how do you know it's an error message?
02:20:41	agaffney	then how do you even know there's an error message?
02:20:43	SETH_HIKARU	because it wont boot
02:20:47	agaffney	...
02:21:11	Llorean	That doesn't mean the message is an error message.
02:21:16	SETH_HIKARU	i can see a quick flash of it but its like 10 to 5 milliseconds long
02:21:16	agaffney	so...right now, you've told is "it's broke, fix it for me!"
02:21:23	SETH_HIKARU	no i havent
02:21:24	agaffney	s/is/us/
02:21:29	Llorean	SETH_HIKARU: It's impossible to help you without more information.
02:21:34	scorche\|sh	so what are we supposed to do?...fix it via telepathy?
02:21:44	agaffney	scorche\|sh: you mean we can't do that?
02:21:44	SETH_HIKARU	well can i just remove rockbox and put it back on
02:21:47	agaffney	damn
02:21:49	scorche\|sh	then do it
02:21:52	SETH_HIKARU	ok
02:22:00	scorche\|sh	you dont need to ask our permission first
02:22:16	SETH_HIKARU	ill check back if i have any problems
02:22:25	SETH_HIKARU	and i wasnt
02:23:19	Shaid	wait, does it actually boot?
02:23:31	Shaid	or do you just push the power button and it flashes on then off?
02:23:48	SETH_HIKARU	no it boots
02:23:55	scorche\|sh	....huh?!
02:23:56	SETH_HIKARU	then it flashes an error code
02:24:02	SETH_HIKARU	but its too late
02:24:15	SETH_HIKARU	i already uninstalled it and reinstalled it and not it works
02:24:20	SETH_HIKARU	now it works
02:24:38	SETH_HIKARU	so nevermind
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02:24:43	SETH_HIKARU	i fixed my own problem
02:24:55	scorche\|sh	stop doing
02:24:56	scorche\|sh	this sort
02:24:58	scorche\|sh	of thing
02:25:37	SETH_HIKARU	mabye you should stop first
02:26:02	ze	scorche\|sh: every time i look in here i see something that looks like people're just being nitpicky with him :p
02:26:12	scorche\|sh	i did it to point out how annoying it is
02:26:44	ze	would've thought arbitrary annoyance would be severely OT for this chan :p
02:27:03	agaffney	I'm pretty sure the IRC guidelines tell you not to use the enter key instead of the space key to separate words in a sentence
02:27:13	scorche\|sh	or punctuation
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02:27:42	saratoga	honestly the IRC guidelines are supposed to keep people from doing whatever just happened on my IRC window, so if this is ok, then the guidelines are clearly flawed
02:28:09	agaffney	they're not flawed
02:28:17	saratoga	i suspected as much
02:28:18	agaffney	it's just that certain people seem to ignore them completely
02:28:27	scorche\|sh	it isnt...he is on his last warning before he goes out the door for a while
02:28:37	agaffney	their enforcement is flawed :P
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02:28:53	*	scorche\|sh just tries to be too nice
02:29:09	agaffney	scorche\|sh: I gave that up long ago
02:29:44	*	Shaid tries to be nice too
02:29:46	scorche\|sh	eh...i feel that banning is something that rarely should ever be done
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02:29:55	agaffney	nobody suggested banning
02:30:05	agaffney	but a good kick is a nice temporary fix
02:30:13	scorche\|sh	he has already been muted once today...which i like to use instead of kicks
02:30:44	agaffney	heh
02:30:55	ze	makes sense... kick's just a couple lines of scroll for everybody... mute actually has an effect :p
02:31:04	agaffney	indeed
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03:09:38	adamgolding	do any of the scrobbling submission systems submit musicbrainz ids?
03:11:18	wpyh	hmm... any ideas why Ozaru's nano couldn't boot properly? Not a hardware issue since he can boot the OF fine
03:14:40	SETH_HIKARU	i cant wait for ipodlinuxs site to go up again cause im putting it on my ipod as soon as it does
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03:24:31	xqtftqx	Guys
03:24:40	xqtftqx	I craped up, i half convertered to ntfs
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03:24:54	xqtftqx	I did a total reinstall
03:25:05	xqtftqx	and so far its working, new bootloader and everything
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03:30:58	SETH_HIKARU	is this stupid netsplit over
03:30:58	adamgolding	do any of the scrobbling submission systems submit musicbrainz ids?
03:31:37	SETH_HIKARU	hey
03:31:43	SETH_HIKARU	whats going ton
03:32:58	SETH_HIKARU	hello anyone there to tell me whats going ON??????
03:32:59	Shaid	Have you read the irc guidelines in the topic, SETH_HIKARU?
03:33:05	SETH_HIKARU	yes
03:33:16	Shaid	Are you deliberately ignoring them?
03:33:22	SETH_HIKARU	but why is everyone quitting and joining
03:33:23	SETH_HIKARU	no
03:33:24	SETH_HIKARU	im not
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03:33:38	Shaid	"-dmwaters- {global notice} Good day all, I need to do a bunch of rerouting to prep for an outage tomorrow. If all goes well, this should not take long. Any further messages about this will be given in wallops, '/mode your_nick w' to see them. Thank you for your patience, and thank you for using freenode!"
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03:34:03	SETH_HIKARU	so how long is this going to last
03:34:26	SETH_HIKARU	anyway is scorche here
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04:14:51	agaffney	he was more annoying than the netsplits
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04:22:09	mib_eii6zd26	Hola, umm im still getting the ipod photo bug wats the best to fix it?
04:22:43	JdGordon\|zzz	inverted colours?
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04:22:51	mib_eii6zd26	yup :/
04:22:58	mib_eii6zd26	well
04:23:03	mib_eii6zd26	its more switched
04:23:46	mib_eii6zd26	xxbatman94xx
04:24:27	JdGordon	http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodcolor/rockbox-ipodcolor-20080612.zip is supposedly the most recent working version
04:24:44	mib_eii6zd26	okay thanks let me try
04:25:37	mib_eii6zd26	Sweet :D thanks its working
04:25:51	JdGordon	not everyone has the problem, and I think none of the devs do.. so if you can stick around (or peost on the mailing lists) it would be good if oyu could help test out patches
04:26:09	mib_eii6zd26	okay i would be glad too
04:26:22	mib_eii6zd26	i heard that we got codes from ipod linux
04:28:07	mib_eii6zd26	ive got nothing else to do tonight so just post away and ill test them for yall
04:28:32	JdGordon	well... im not sure which devs were working on it... and they are all alseep now anyway
04:29:21	mib_eii6zd26	o ok well ill be on so..
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04:31:22	xxbatman94xx	sweet okay im mib i changed my user
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04:38:07	adamgolding	do any of the scrobbling submission systems submit musicbrainz ids?
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04:42:46	JdGordon	adamgolding: dont think so
04:43:47	adamgolding	ok, i hope that can be put on a future feature list somewhere
04:44:56	JdGordon	are they stored in a tag?
04:44:58	Shaid	does it have an open API spec, adamgolding?
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04:52:53	adamgolding	Shaid oh, i'm sure it does
04:52:55	adamgolding	it's stored in a tag
04:53:03	adamgolding	the guys at #Musicbrainz know more about it than me
04:53:24	adamgolding	i'm sure you'd all get along too, two of the more important open-source music things imo
04:53:25	adamgolding	:p
04:54:07	xxbatman94xx	um on some themes how come the playback goes to the default player rather than the one on the theme?
04:54:46	wpyh	I'm going to be away for a while but here's one thing that puzzles me: I don't see any SDRAM chip on the iriver T60 take-apart pictures. Could it be that the CPU has integrated RAM (SA58700X07)? But IIRC the Meizu has the same chip and also has a RAM chip on board
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05:03:03	JdGordon	xxbatman94xx: because the syntax was changed yesterday so old themes are broken
05:04:34	xxbatman94xx	o ok thanks
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05:05:22	JdGordon	if you can run perl scripts you can easily fix it yourself...
05:05:37	JdGordon	or you can fix it yourself with a text editor and brain pwer :p
05:05:46	xxbatman94xx	i wish :P
05:06:24	JdGordon	na, its not that hard... just 2 tags were changed
05:06:44	xxbatman94xx	yup but im not that good with coding :/
05:06:51	xxbatman94xx	i can make a website :P
05:07:39	JdGordon	its simpler than making a webiste...
05:07:56	JdGordon	open the .wps for the theme in a text editor.... find the line that has %P and %pb
05:09:15	xxbatman94xx	i found %pb but no %P
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05:10:13	xxbatman94xx	may i remind you im using the r17714 because i have an ipod photo :P
05:11:01	JdGordon	ah yes... then you should be fine...
05:11:13	JdGordon	unless your using the theme from the current svn with that old buiold?
05:11:47	xxbatman94xx	oh okay :P well then its just a bad theme then :P
05:12:17	xxbatman94xx	its been there forever it the ajant blue
05:13:19	xxbatman94xx	i think im just gonna make my own theme
05:15:13	*	JdGordon suggests making a theme and using the switched colours so it goes back to normal untill the probalem is fixed
05:16:15	xxbatman94xx	ooohh good idea thanks
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06:08:04	andyd273	good evening, anyone up?
06:08:09	JdGordon	tdtooke: depends which tags
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06:09:03	tdtooke	Ah...basically I want to add a field to the %pb tag which I have succesfully done for a slider progressbar, I just want it to ignore if it does not have it for regular themes
06:09:34	andyd273	wow, the web client has some lag...
06:11:10	tdtooke	in the getting started and compiling forum I posted the code I'm using
06:13:11	andyd273	I have a sansa e260 v1, and the OF's lack of any real support for audiobooks, or things that really need to play in order is frustrating for me, and so I am hoping to switch to RockBox, but before I do I want to make sure there isn't anything that I should be aware of. I found out about the lack of USB support, which is sad, but since I can boot to the OF I guess I can live with it.
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06:13:52	scorche	andyd273: you will likely want to check out the manual
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06:14:44	andyd273	I've pretty much read the whole manual, though I admit I skimmed a bit once it got into the settings part
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06:15:30	andyd273	I'm just trying to be as prepared as possible
06:15:33	wastrel	i have a e250r
06:15:56	wastrel	it automatically boots into OF when you plug it into USB if it's powered off
06:16:08	wastrel	v. convenient for transfer & charging.
06:17:06	wastrel	what sort of special support does one need for audiobooks?
06:18:05	andyd273	I guess the only real question I have is if I can still listen to DRMed audiobooks from audible or netlibrary if I boot into the OF, or will I loose that functionality?
06:18:24	Shaid	the OF will do whatever it use to do before it was rockboxed.
06:18:55	scorche	audible?...what version of the original firmare do you have?
06:19:15	wastrel	ah drm. never touch the stuff
06:20:21	andyd273	@wastrel, I think I read that, but it's good to know for sure.
06:22:36	andyd273	Well, I loaded one audiobook onto mine. It was ripped from CD to MP3 using itunes (just for the ease of naming albums and tracks). When I went to play it, it put them in the order of cd1-track1, cd2-track1, cd1-track2, cd2-track2, etc... which obviously wont work, and I havent found a way to arrange them correctly
06:23:09	wastrel	hrm.
06:23:22	wastrel	you'd have to make a playlist i think
06:24:40	andyd273	I don't much like DRM either... but running it through audasity to undrm it is a long process... and I'd avoid it if I only plan on listening to the story once
06:25:12	andyd273	Sorry, my lag here is about 4 minutes I think... I may have to find a real IRC client...
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06:27:03	scorche	andyd273: what firmware version do you have?
06:27:28	scorche	(just want to make sure you do have a v1 since you mentioned audible)
06:27:50	andyd273	does anyone know of any really lightweight irc clients that'll run on vista for free?
06:28:00	tdtooke	Xchat
06:28:05	scorche	that is a bit offtopic for this channel...
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06:32:59	paulproteus	I have Rockbox on my Sansa e200r, and I don't know how to work the playlist UI.
06:33:18	scorche	paulproteus: the manual is good for this sort of thing
06:33:38	paulproteus	I can click save playlist, but no buttons I press after being presented with the on-screen keyboard (with the text are pre-filled with "dynamic.m3u") make the playlist actually appear when I click "View catalog".
06:33:41	andyd273	I guess a playlist is an option, but it's more trouble than I really want to go through. I got spoiled by my wifes sansa clip. it has a folder just for audiobooks and one just for podcasts, and it keeps everything seperate from the music, and does everything automatically...
06:33:57	paulproteus	scorche, Okay, I read the playlist section, but I guess I have to go up a little...
06:34:27	paulproteus	Okay, got it, it's the play button.
06:35:11	andyd273	I just wish they would get the OF for the e200 series up to the level that the clip has.
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07:14:00	DaCapn	What's the story with themes with special icons and progress bars? How do you get them to show up?
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07:26:18	PaulJam	DaCapn: there was a rework of some WPS tags, so many themes are currently broken.
07:27:21	DaCapn	Oh, okay, thanks.
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07:42:58	Nekospecial	I need help
07:43:10	Nekospecial	I tried installing Rockbox and now my iPod won't even boot
07:43:18	Nekospecial	it keeps resetting
07:43:44	Nekospecial	and won't even turn off
07:45:31	scorche	which ipod?
07:46:30	Nekospecial	iPod video 30gb
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07:47:18	Nekospecial	when I plug in the USB cord, nothing happens and it still keeps resetting
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07:47:54	scorche	when it resets, hold select and play at the same time
07:49:41	Nekospecial	it doesn't work
07:50:15	Nekospecial	wait, something happened
07:51:41	Nekospecial	okay, I have a "Disk Mode" screen with a picture of a checkmark and it says "OK to disconnect."
07:51:59	scorche	right...now try the installation again as it says in the manual
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07:53:50	Nekospecial	christ, thank god it's not broken
07:54:07	Nekospecial	I think I'll try the manual install method this time
07:54:14	scorche	an ipod has never been broken due to Rockbox to my knowledge
07:54:30	scorche	if you managed to, i would be quite impressed
07:55:34	Nekospecial	and I would throw the iPod through my wall
07:55:55	scorche	i dont think that would help
07:56:10	Nekospecial	no, it wouldn't
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07:56:33	Nekospecial	so I used the Rockbox Utility to install it
07:56:41	Nekospecial	and it seemed to install fine
07:56:50	Nekospecial	until it tried to install themes
07:56:59	Nekospecial	I got an error message saying there were no themes found
07:57:23	Nekospecial	did that cause the problem?
07:58:10	scorche	no...that is due to no themes being where it looks...bandwidth issues on the site
07:59:13	Nekospecial	okay, let me try it again then
07:59:29	Nekospecial	if this doesn't work, I'll try manually installing it
07:59:34	scorche	it isnt that temporary
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08:00:53	Nekospecial	oh
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08:05:16	Nekospecial	there we go! now it works
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08:05:21	Nekospecial	thanks for you help!
08:05:27	Nekospecial	*your
08:06:27	Nekospecial	wow, this looks WAY better than the regular interface
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08:27:11	Buschel	amiconn: do you remember what limits the lcd framerates on the 5G? is it the transfer from buffer to BCM-registers, or waiting for the sync to be allowed to start the next update?
08:31:58	amiconn	There is no more wait-for-sync. That's the main trick to get framerates that high
08:32:44	Buschel	amiconn: so, the framereate is fully dependent upon the copy-function
08:32:51	amiconn	The update command is issued asynchronously as necessary
08:33:03	amiconn	If you have a look at the rightmost column, you see the limiting factor. It's plain memory transfer speed...
08:34:22	Buschel	so, using 8 reg's for ldm/stm instead of 4 reg's won't speed it up anymore?
08:34:35	amiconn	The transfer routine already uses ldma/stmia. The latter is possible because the bcm addresses are only 3 bit, and the bcm is hooked up with its address bits 0..2 to the PP's address bits 16..18
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08:37:10	amiconn	It might even slow it down a bit, as using 8 regs would increase the call overhead
08:38:15	Buschel	amiconn: i'll give a (short) try then.
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08:45:39	Nekospecial	okay, now my iPod won't show up in Floola
08:45:50	Nekospecial	plus, I can't seem to boot to the original firmware
08:46:23	Nekospecial	this kind of sucks
08:46:29	Corsac	batt 4.14V
08:46:30	Corsac	\o/
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08:46:57	lufthanza	heya
08:47:08	lufthanza	does rockbox work with xfs?
08:47:09	Corsac	hmhm, version r15804-071125
08:47:21	Corsac	I guess I could upgrade
08:48:14	scorche	Nekospecial: i have no idea what floola is and it is quite easy to boot into the original firmware...
08:48:35	scorche	lufthanza: no
08:49:05	lufthanza	scorche: that's horrible... jfs?
08:49:11	scorche	no
08:49:14	scorche	why is it horrible?
08:49:21	Nekospecial	scorche: Floola is a music-management software like iTunes but can be used cross-platform and supports song synchro on different computers (unlike iTunes)
08:49:43	scorche	Nekospecial: then go bug them about your ipod not showing up there...
08:49:51	lufthanza	scorche: because xfs is leaps and bounds better than fat32
08:50:02	lufthanza	ext3?
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08:50:08	scorche	no
08:50:24	lufthanza	isn't rockbox uclinux based?
08:50:29	scorche	no
08:50:29	Llorean	No
08:50:32	Bagderr	no
08:50:37	lufthanza	hmm
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08:51:16	Llorean	lufthanza: FAT32 is the only filesystem supported because more complicated filesystems are almost completely unnecessary for the simple job of storing MP3s, meanwhile FAT32 is supported in virtually any OS you can expect to plug one of these players into.
08:51:22	scorche	lufthanza: this is a DAP...other filesystems would just bloat the core a LOT, take away usable RAM, would restrict the amount of platforms that you could connect to greatly, etc
08:52:01	Corsac	I don't think there's a linux-based mp3 player os
08:52:09	Corsac	except maybe ipodlinux, but…
08:52:11	Bagderr	Corsac: there are
08:52:12	lufthanza	ipodlinux
08:52:19	Bagderr	several OFs are linux-based
08:52:20	Llorean	The native OS of the Gigabeat F was too, wasn't it?
08:52:26	Corsac	ooh.
08:52:36	Corsac	and do they provide sources?
08:52:43	Bagderr	yes and no
08:52:53	scorche	of course being linux based doesnt in the least mean that they will support xfs
08:53:00	Corsac	of course
08:53:00	scorche	it would be quite pointless to
08:53:07	Bagderr	yes, for the plain uncustomized kernel and busybox etc
08:53:15	Bagderr	no for all the intresting parts
08:53:22	Corsac	and binary modules and stuff like that
08:53:23	Corsac	ok :)
08:54:19	Nekospecial	I followed the directions on restarting into the original firmware and all the iPod does is keep resetting
08:54:33	Nekospecial	if I put the hold switch to off, then it stops resetting and boots into Rockbox
08:54:55	lufthanza	i still like journaling in almost every stiuation, including on my ssd
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08:55:17	Llorean	Nekospecial: This suggests you've somehow caused the original firmware to become corrupt or otherwise unavailable.
08:55:36	scorche	lufthanza: as we said...it is a bit pointless on a DAP and the cons are not enough to warrant any gains you would get
08:55:50	scorche	that being said, feel free to implement xfs support
08:56:08	Nekospecial	Llorean: so basically, I'm fucked and can't put new stuff on my iPod?
08:56:08	lufthanza	perhaps i will someday
08:56:38	scorche	Nekospecial: the language is unnecessary and you can use disk mode
08:56:39	Llorean	Nekospecial: No, disk mode still works for transferring things.
08:57:05	Corsac	hmhm, what's the preferred way to upgrade a rockbox install without losing one's settings
08:57:17	scorche	Corsac: just as is said in the manual
08:57:45	Corsac	ok, I'll check (:/)
08:57:47	Corsac	thanks!
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09:03:44	GodEater	did database.unignore get committed in the end?
09:04:39	disorganizer	JdGordon: online?
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09:06:14	Llorean	GodEater r16214
09:08:04	GodEater	wow - I thought it wasn't going in as it was going to make the database scanning that much more intensive.
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09:08:42	Llorean	Well, it wouldn't be any more intensive than not having the .ignore file in the first place, would it?
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09:09:23	GodEater	no, but it just means that any folder tree with a .ignore file in it now has to be trawled all the way to the bottom incase there's a .unignore somewhere in it
09:09:43	Llorean	Yeah
09:10:01	GodEater	I guess more people must think it's a good feature than I'd originally realised would
09:10:13	Llorean	I bet that doesn't take very long though.
09:10:17	lufthanza	does rockbox work well with amarok and others?
09:10:32	GodEater	depends how deep the tree is
09:10:38	Llorean	lufthanza: Rockbox doesn't interact with host-side apps.
09:11:21	Llorean	GodEater: True. Maybe we need a .recursive.ignore to say "there's no unignore beneath this" :-P
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09:11:56	GodEater	hahaha - how confused would our userbase get then :)
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09:12:47	Llorean	I neither use .ignore nor .unignore, so I'm kinda indifferent.
09:12:59	GodEater	I don't use the database at all, so I'm with you
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09:16:36	JdGordon	we support apple lossless?
09:16:46	Llorean	Yup
09:16:53	Llorean	Have for a long time.
09:16:57	JdGordon	you learn something new every day :p
09:18:02	JdGordon	btw, I really dont like the idea of databse.unignore... but not enough to advocate removing it
09:19:37	Llorean	Well, if for example I had a whole bunch of SPC "albums" and only wanted a couple of them in the database since I was just storing my collection as a backup, while I didn't want it ever to show up, it might be handy.
09:19:49	Llorean	But, really, it is a bit limited use
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09:57:10	PaulJam_	JdGordon: have you read yesterdays log about the issue with using y or z as letters for conditional viewports? what is your opinion about that, a bug or just inaccurate documentation (the wiki says you can use a-z)?
09:57:23	PaulJam_	Here is the link: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080624#20:30:27
09:57:29	JdGordon	i havnt...
09:57:36	JdGordon	reading now
09:58:22	JdGordon	ah.. seems I forgot to fix that in the patch before commiting.,..
09:58:36	JdGordon	why anyone would need 24 different groups is beyond me though
09:59:15	JdGordon	hmm... no... it _should_ work
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10:00:04	PaulJam_	you couldn't use more than 24 groups because of the limit to 24 viewports if i understand correctly.
10:00:19	JdGordon	yes
10:00:21	JdGordon	AH!
10:00:26	*	JdGordon knows where the bug is
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10:01:27	JdGordon	hmm... maybe not
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10:07:16	JdGordon	AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR
10:10:21	JdGordon	PaulJam: thanks, fixed
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10:44:29	amiconn	JdGordon: r17788 causes a new bug
10:44:38	JdGordon	oh goody...
10:44:50	JdGordon	too much talking?
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10:47:05	*	JdGordon reminds amiconn that he in fact is not a mind reader and cant fix any bugs that arnt detailed....
10:49:02	amiconn	I didn't even test it, but refreshing resets scrolling lines, making the longer lines unreadable on smaller displays
10:49:37	JdGordon	yes... but all the lines should fit on the smaller screens... no?
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10:50:30	pixelma	no, can't read the revision line for example - even on the slightly bigger c200 with nimbus-10 (not that big a font)
10:51:37	amiconn	JdGordon: Don't forget charcell... on that one most lines need scrolling
10:52:29	amiconn	Same goes for small bitmap lcds and large fonts, e.g. for in-car use
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11:08:41	markun	hi funman
11:09:36	funman	I see saratoga is coming back to wma decoder ;)
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11:38:31	B4gder	server maintainance tomorrow 16-21 CEST, the web site/build system will be down during a large portion of that time I think
11:39:11	B4gder	svn server will remain up
11:39:42	B4gder	mailing list down, forums up
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12:27:40	JR0T	Hello, i've got a problem with rockbox
12:28:26	pixelma	if you tell us, we might be able to help ;)
12:28:47	JR0T	it won't update the database
12:28:56	JR0T	and if i go to files it jams
12:29:09	JR0T	ive got a sansa e260
12:29:56	PaulJam	what do you mean by "it jams"?
12:30:38	JR0T	it crashes
12:30:45	JR0T	but doesn't give a error
12:30:47	pixelma	I don't know what you mean with "jams" but the first question coming to my mind is how you put the files on there (MTP mode using the Media player or MSC mode)
12:31:04	JR0T	no if i go in main menu to files
12:31:11	JR0T	on the player himself
12:32:41	pixelma	how did you copy the files to your player?
12:32:43	PaulJam	maybe some serious filesystem corruption? have you tried to run chkdsk (or the linus equivalent)?
12:33:01	PaulJam	*linux
12:33:04	JR0T	i copied the files in windows explorer
12:33:19	JR0T	and OF works perfect
12:33:28	JR0T	will chkdsk
12:34:18	pixelma	in MSC mode (the disk did get a drive letter?)
12:34:24	JR0T	yes
12:36:04	pixelma	ok, forget my idea then... just thought it could be the reason because Rockbox can't handle files copied over in MTP mode as far as I know
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12:36:50	JR0T	k
12:37:53	pixelma	JdGordon: (hope you'll return soon ;) ) you broke non-RTC targets btw...
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12:39:23	JR0T	is it chkdsk Driveletter?
12:43:11	PaulJam	JR0T: i would recommend 'chkdsk D: /F' (replace the "D:" with the corrrect driveletter). that attempts to fix any issues that are found.
12:43:20	JR0T	thnx
12:46:58	JR0T	it's writing, so i guess i have/had some errors
12:49:31	PaulJam	the console output should tell you if it found errors.
12:50:50	JR0T	it does, but does ik also say when it's done?
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12:56:01	PaulJam	when it is done you should see a new comand prompt. on some errors it asks what to do (requiering user input, but that should be obvious from the text).
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12:57:05	JR0T	thnx
12:58:04	leftright	Replay Gain, "Track gain if Shuffled" setting. I'm certain that if shuffle is "Off" Replay Gain doesn't default to Album mode as its suppsed to do
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13:02:14	PaulJam	leftright: it seems to work for me. what makes you think it doesn't work?
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13:07:43	leftright	PaulJam: I notice that several of my albums playback at different volume levels with "track mode if shuffled" On but shuffle is off, and I get even volume playback if I have RG set to "Album" mode, I have RG's my collection twice with different versions of foobar.
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13:10:57	funman_	don't come back !
13:15:39	PaulJam	leftright: hmm, i notice a volume jump shortly after toggling the shuffle setting on tracks where albumgain and trackgain differ by a few dB.
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13:16:40	pixelma	in the manual, long button presses are indicated as "Long ButtonX" and simple ones are just referenced as "ButtonX". Now there's this short-long press button combo to skip to the next directory which leads to my question: is it necessary to write "Short ButtonX + Long ButtonX" or would leaving out the "Short" be clear enough? It makes for some long (and wide) button tables...
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13:24:36	leftright	pixelma: ButtonX + Long ButtonX, isn't as clear as quick ButtonX + long Button X
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13:27:45	leftright	PaulJam: yes there is a volume level change if shuffle is ON and "Track mode if shuffled" is selected, but if shuffle is OFF with "Track mode if shuffled" selected then it doesn't revert to Album mode
13:29:55	webguest62	can I request write permission to the wiki please ?
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13:32:05	PaulJam	leftright: so you see this when you change the "replaygain type" setting and not the shuffle setting?
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13:35:12	leftright	PaulJam: No, I leave RG set to "Track mode if shuffled", then I select shuffle on, play some various music. I then select a few albums and select shuffle off, that's when I notice that albums dont playback at the same volume level
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13:38:25	JR0T	PaulJam thnx for the help player works perfect again :)
13:38:58	PaulJam	JR0T: you're welcome
13:40:11	JR0T	hmm flac support is nice
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13:52:07	mcuelenaere	could a dutch speaking person verify this file? mcuelenaere.pastebin.com/f5e185d39">http://mcuelenaere.pastebin.com/f5e185d39
13:52:33	mcuelenaere	there are probably still some inconsistencies
13:53:35	gevaerts	Shouldn't 'installatie methode' be one word ?
13:53:56	mcuelenaere	will fix that
13:54:31	*	gevaerts doesn't really have time to go through it all now
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13:54:50	mcuelenaere	I'm still not quite sure about "de�nstallatie", what do you think about that?
13:55:13	mcuelenaere	gevaerts: it's not necessary that you check it all; perhaps a quick glance?
13:55:25	gevaerts	mcuelenaere: I can do that tonight
13:55:33	mcuelenaere	ok thanks
13:55:54	gevaerts	deïnstallatie sounds good to me, but maybe 'verwijderen' is simpler
13:56:10	mcuelenaere	yes, I thought about that too
13:56:13	gevaerts	Although it's less specific
13:56:20	mcuelenaere	but sometimes "remove" is used and sometimes "uninstallation"
13:56:31	mcuelenaere	so I kept close to the original
13:56:52	JR0T	Geen partitioe 0 op de schijf should be Geen partitie 0 op de schijf
13:57:03	mcuelenaere	woops
13:57:43	JR0T	<translation type="obsolete">Avertissement : Ceci est un MacPod, Rockbox ne fonctionne pas dessus. Convertissez-le en un WinPod</translation> is french
13:58:07	mcuelenaere	hmm I thought I translated it all..
13:58:34	mcuelenaere	"Pas op : dit is een MacPod, Rockbox werkt hier niet op. Converteer het naar een WinPod"
13:59:14	mcuelenaere	ah I think that type="obsolete" really means it's obsolete :)
13:59:22	pixelma	is it a translation file for the Rockbox Utility?
13:59:25	mcuelenaere	yes
13:59:31	pixelma	nice :)
13:59:47	mcuelenaere	it only has about 4 other languages, so I thought it really needs some more :)
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14:00:54	mcuelenaere	JR0T: what do you think about "Mountpoint" -> "Mountpunt"? I couldn't come up with a real good translation for that..
14:01:38	JR0T	uhm
14:02:27	JR0T	really don't know
14:02:28	JR0T	sorry
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14:04:04	JR0T	google translate gives laadpunt
14:04:11	JR0T	afk
14:05:00	mcuelenaere	yes, but that seems really odd to me :) a linux HOWTO just uses "mounting" and "Zodra de disk is voorbereid, mount je het met het commando:
14:05:09	mcuelenaere	so I'm gonna stick with that
14:05:28	JR0T	k, sounds fine here
14:06:58	*	gevaerts probably wouldn't understand 'laadpunt' if he found that in a text
14:07:25	mcuelenaere	agreed
14:07:47	mcuelenaere	is building rbutil supported on windows with only the qt toolkit installed?
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14:17:27	*	LambdaCalculus37 thinks FS #7331 needs a serious updating
14:17:47	LambdaCalculus37	It works, but sounds horrendous.
14:18:40	J-23	Where can I find bootloader installation instructions?
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14:19:04	LambdaCalculus37	J-23: The manual, of course.
14:19:09	LambdaCalculus37	What device, exactly?
14:19:20	J-23	I want to reinstall bootloader on my C200, because that bootloader looks like looped.
14:20:05	J-23	ahh, now I see
14:20:19	J-23	Can't load rockbox.mi4 \n File too big
14:20:41	LambdaCalculus37	Did you try extracting a new build to your c200 first?
14:20:53	J-23	I built it myself from SVN
14:21:16	LambdaCalculus37	Sounds like you may have either gotten a corrupted rockbox.mi4, or copied one from the e200 instead (which is a real long shot).
14:21:33	J-23	oh...
14:21:37	LambdaCalculus37	Did you select "Sansa c200", and not accidently hit "Sansa e200"?
14:21:40	J-23	I'll recompile it.
14:21:48	J-23	probably i selected C200
14:22:15	LambdaCalculus37	I did that once... never compile when you're seriously sleep deprived. ;)
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14:22:37	MarcGuay	markun: In case you didn't see it: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9086#comment24499.
14:22:44	LambdaCalculus37	MarcGuay, Bonjour, good sir! :)
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14:23:02	MarcGuay	LambdaCalculus37: Good morning fellow Eastern Time Zone dweller.
14:26:51	pixelma	MarcGuay: morning... got a short question for you so I can fix the broken H10 manuals again. Do I understand correctly that "Short \ActionWpsSkipPrev{} + Long \ActionWpsSkipPrev" works on every target? and only the "\ActionWpsAbSetBPrevDir" on some (respectively "next" for the directory skip?
14:27:00	J-23	Is it possible to disable rebooting to original firmware when Rockbox detects USB connection?
14:27:09	J-23	I want to power my player from USB
14:27:24	gevaerts	J-23: yes. Since a few weeks it's even in the manual !
14:27:32	J-23	ahh...
14:27:58	LambdaCalculus37	J-23: The manual has much information, Grasshopper.
14:28:05	MarcGuay	pixelma: My impression was that the Short-Dir+Long-Dir is universal for all targets (it's in gwps.c) and only certain targets have a ActionWpsAbSetB..{}.
14:28:15	MarcGuay	pixelma: Did I break the manuals? :(
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14:30:48	J-23	Where can I find it?
14:30:58	MarcGuay	J-23: www.rockbox.org
14:31:07	J-23	yes, I know where can I find manual
14:31:13	J-23	but where can I find this option?
14:31:20	LambdaCalculus37	http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
14:31:26	MarcGuay	J-23: Quick Start I thinks.
14:31:42	MarcGuay	J-23: If you look at the PDF you can search it.
14:31:49	pixelma	MarcGuay: only the H10 pdfs are broken, caused by this change. I think it has to do with one of the actions not "closed" with a {} or \ , which means the space to the next one is missing and the line gets too long and LaTeX doesn't know where to break it. The html one is fine as it doesn't break the lines in the button tables.
14:32:00	J-23	thanks, I found it.
14:32:18	MarcGuay	pixelma: Mrsh. Sorry about that, I did test builds. Why specific to the H10?
14:34:30	pixelma	I guess because the buttons defined for those actions on the H10 just have too long names... but I wanted to write it shorter - you'd only need to opt the \ActionWpsAbSetBPrevDir and the rest will be in a part taken for all
14:35:44	pixelma	got it already done and tested
14:35:57	MarcGuay	pixelma: Okay, I'll take a look and learn a lesson. :)
14:37:18	pixelma	and another thing, not a big deal. There was also a tab in it which is frowned upon around here (and I couldn't understand why it was there where it was)
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14:38:45	MarcGuay	pixelma: I suppose I could change that, but it is handy in other circumstances...
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14:56:24	funman	I've got a patch for wmav1 decoding :))
14:56:51	funman	but there's still a bug left in rockbox' asf parser, files are decoded at very high speed
14:57:39	krazykit	funman, that's not a bug, it's a feature; you can be much more efficient at listening to music ;)
14:57:58	LambdaCalculus37	funman: We want files decoded at high speed. ;)
14:58:07	LambdaCalculus37	Did you post the patch to the tracker yet?
14:58:08	funman	aah ok, I think I had put the amphetamine mode on on the simulator ;))
14:58:10	funman	nop
14:58:27	LambdaCalculus37	When you do, tell us what FS# it is.
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14:58:44	funman	I wanted to show it to sataroga to discuss the few lines with him
14:58:50	*	LambdaCalculus37 looks at the RockboxUtilityDevelopment wiki page
14:59:06	LambdaCalculus37	funman: You can show him the patch via Flyspray.
14:59:20	LambdaCalculus37	Or you can pastebin what you've done so far, and give him the link to it.
14:59:30	LambdaCalculus37	http://pastebin.com/
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15:00:39	funman	I think he's still sleeping atm
15:01:57	LambdaCalculus37	The channel's logged, so he'll see the links.
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15:06:57	funman	I'll try to connect around 17/17h30 I think this is the time he came around yesterday
15:07:25	funman	hopefully you'll get soon rockbox support for a codec nobody cares, how incredible it is !!
15:07:40	funman	;)
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15:33:21	webguest62	anybody here that can give me write access to the wiki ?
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15:34:35	LambdaCalculus37	webguest62: What's your wiki name?
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15:38:51	webguest62	stephencarroll
15:38:59	LambdaCalculus37	One moment.
15:39:06	webguest62	thanks LambdaCalculus37
15:39:53	LambdaCalculus37	Done. No spamming, now. ;)
15:39:57	LambdaCalculus37	Welcome to Rockbox!
15:40:09	webguest62	I won't :) uplaoding a wps I changed to vp
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15:40:39	LambdaCalculus37	Upload away! :)
15:40:54	webguest62	will I replace the original file or just add the new one ?
15:42:13	LambdaCalculus37	You can add the new one, and make a note that it's a viewports version; e.g. "Updated for conditional viewports"
15:42:57	webguest62	ok thank you LambdaCalculus37
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16:05:56	xxbatman94xx	hey ive got a ipod photo which has the color bug and im willing to test any patches yall got (ive also got the last working version)
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16:09:54	LambdaCalculus37	xxbatman94xx: Good for you! :)
16:10:16	xxbatman94xx	not sarcastic?
16:10:19	LambdaCalculus37	xxbatman94xx: Do me a quick favor... Go to System > Debug > View HW Info, and tell me your HW rev and LCD type.
16:10:27	LambdaCalculus37	Not sarcastic. :)
16:10:32	xxbatman94xx	okay on second :P
16:10:53	*	LambdaCalculus37 is glad to have people come in willing to help him narrow down the LCD corruption bug
16:14:32	xxbatman94xx	hw rev:0x00060000 LCD: 0
16:15:22	LambdaCalculus37	xxbatman94xx: Thanks for the info.
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16:16:25	LambdaCalculus37	xxbatman94xx: I'll try to have the patch ready soon enough. I'm still stuck at fixing the Mpegplayer corruption bug on the 4G color/photo, so it may be a bit.
16:16:30	xxbatman94xx	no problem :D
16:16:36	LambdaCalculus37	I have all of the bitmaps and menu displaying correctly.
16:16:58	xxbatman94xx	Great good job :)
16:17:31	LambdaCalculus37	In the meantime, I want you to watch Flyspray, and come in once in a while to see when the patch is ready for testing.
16:17:31	pixelma	LambdaCalculus37: what are you investigating to fix it?
16:17:51	LambdaCalculus37	pixelma: Because I do have a 4G iPod color, so I'm being affected by this as well.
16:18:06	LambdaCalculus37	I do have linuxstb to thank, since he did originally point out what needs fixing.
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16:18:32	pixelma	hmm... seems I can't make myself clear
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16:18:55	pixelma	in short: what's the plan?
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16:19:39	*	gevaerts slowly and patiently explains the difference between "what" and "why" to LambdaCalculus37 ;)
16:19:59	LambdaCalculus37	pixelma: According to this forum thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17158.0 the bug seems to be affecting certain HW revs of the iPod color/photo.
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16:20:59	pixelma	I just thought I could start some discussion about the best fix, to maybe get some input of other developers...
16:21:56	LambdaCalculus37	My HW rev is 0x00060004, LCD type 0. Two fixes that linuxstb pointed out on that thread did indeed fix the color corruption bug on mine, but there's still one color corruption bug involving Mpegplayer.
16:21:59	pixelma	LambdaCalculus37: wasn't it a combination of hardware rev and OF version?
16:22:43	LambdaCalculus37	pixelma: Yes, it is.
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16:23:09	pixelma	that would mean one needs to find out what Apple does there as they seem to get along with the differences, no?
16:24:17	LambdaCalculus37	pixelma: True.
16:24:58	LambdaCalculus37	My iPod color has Apple firmware 1.2.1 on it, so that means that my LCD is being treated as big-endian.
16:25:27	funman	i prefer medium endian
16:25:47	LambdaCalculus37	The code that was added in r17715 configures the LCD type 0 to be little-endian.
16:25:55	funman	bytes are stored at random positions
16:25:57	xxbatman94xx	hey where do i watch the "flyspray"
16:26:13	LambdaCalculus37	xxbatman94xx: There's a link to Flyspray on the front page at www.rockbox.org
16:26:42	pixelma	the links below "tracker"
16:26:55	xxbatman94xx	funman but on a vid they still show the movie but different colors
16:27:51	LambdaCalculus37	xxbatman94xx: Can you do one more thing, and boot back into the Apple firmware, and tell me what version you're using?
16:28:10	funman	is swapping the image too expensive ?
16:28:29	xxbatman94xx	lambdacalculas37 the version on the apple firmware?
16:29:11	xxbatman94xx	LambdaCalculus37*
16:29:22	LambdaCalculus37	Yes.
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16:29:28	xxbatman94xx	okay
16:29:46	xxbatman94xx	version 1.2
16:30:28	LambdaCalculus37	Yep... Type 0 LCD being initialized as big-endian.
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17:16:24	amiconn	LambdaCalculus37: The proper solution would be to switch the type 0 lcd to the correct endianess as the type 1, as apples does in rev 1.1+
17:16:28	preglow	anyone have any nice suggestions on a recognizable sector found on an sd card?
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17:16:58	amiconn	The necessary sequence should be found somehwere in the OF
17:17:50	amiconn	In fact I think apple changed it for that very reason - not having to deal with different endianess depending on lcd type
17:17:52	gevaerts	preglow: just zero it entirely, and then put a new partition table on it
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17:21:40	preglow	gevaerts: remember i can't dump any data here, i don't have any form of write access, so i need something i can recognize without having to print out a zillion values and check by hand :)
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17:22:16	preglow	i guess i just dump the first eight values or so with dd and check for them manually
17:22:31	*	preglow needs something to start his brain
17:22:37	gevaerts	preglow: it ends with 0x55AA.
17:22:59	gevaerts	preglow: why don't you just write a specific sector with known values ?
17:23:02	funman	the 511st and 512nd bytes ?
17:23:11	gevaerts	Yes
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17:29:52	preglow	part table is found at offset 0?
17:30:21	gevaerts	Yes
17:31:10	preglow	yeah, i see it
17:31:12	preglow	goodie
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17:32:54	funman	fear my voodoo skillz !
17:33:02	funman	hi saratoga :)
17:33:10	saratoga	what does your patch improve?
17:33:37	xxbatman94xx	goodjob funman
17:33:47	funman	the fact that decoded samples look like real music
17:33:53	xxbatman94xx	:D
17:33:54	funman	did you read it yet ?
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17:34:11	saratoga	yes I looked at it, but it mostly changes things I haven't touched from ffmpeg
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17:34:28	funman	well I just remove the declaration of tmp as fixed32, since it isn't
17:34:31	funman	in the normalisation
17:34:36	funman	i.e. 0 effect
17:34:41	saratoga	yeah that doesn't do anything
17:34:49	saratoga	but why rearrange the requantization stuff?
17:35:10	funman	the coefficients ?
17:35:22	funman	I just copy/pasted what was in ffmpeg
17:35:56	saratoga	ah I see the VLC thing is in ffmpeg too
17:36:10	funman	VLC ?
17:36:25	funman	sorry I don't have the code anymore, it's on an other computer ;)
17:36:34	funman	but I remember it a bit
17:36:52	saratoga	variable length coding
17:37:04	saratoga	i wonder how that got deleted out of my source
17:37:25	funman	no effect for wmav2
17:37:41	funman	lemme browse websvn
17:38:05	funman	hm it doesn't have line numbering
17:38:31	funman	in wma_decode_init()
17:38:49	funman	/* compute the scale factor band sizes for each MDCT block size */
17:39:02	funman	the first 3 coefficients are 0 for wmav1
17:40:16	saratoga	ah ok
17:40:21	saratoga	then this makes sense
17:40:23	funman	ok; and finally you are setting last_exp to 36 unconditionally, while it is set just before, at the condition that wmav1 is used
17:40:44	funman	changing that caused no changes on my listening experience, but that's "what is in ffmpeg"
17:41:17	funman	that resulted in proper decoding for me, but not for rockbox unfortunately
17:41:48	funman	decoding is way too fast: i checked the audio parameters (samplerate, bitrate, channels ..) and they lookfine
17:42:14	funman	but that should mean now if there's a problem it's in asf code
17:42:55	funman	well maybe on a real device that will sound fine .. who knows :)
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17:45:20	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn: A bit beyond my current skills, but good advice. :)
17:47:29	xxbatman94xx	welcome back LambdaCalculus37
17:49:48	wastrel	lambda calculus is a computer science thing
17:50:15	LambdaCalculus37	wastrel: Yes, but talking about the origin of my nick is off-topic here.
17:50:33	wastrel	i keep forgetting.
17:51:36	*	LambdaCalculus37 reminds wastrel to type /topic once in a while
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18:00:37	wpyh	does anyone here know how to differentiate between WM8731 and WM8731L?
18:00:53	wpyh	the iriver T60 contains such a chip, but I don't know whether it's 8731 or 8731L
18:01:22	wpyh	this chip is also found in the iriver H10, which we support
18:01:37	markun	Maybe one is just the low power version?
18:01:47	LambdaCalculus37	Maybe.
18:02:00	LambdaCalculus37	Aren't there other devices with either chip in them?
18:02:47	wpyh	the only difference I think is that the WM8731L can be initialized with a lower voltage
18:03:28	wpyh	the "digital supply range (buffer)" is 1.8 to 3.6 for the 8731L vs 2.7 to 3.6 for the 8731, ditto for the "analogue supply range"
18:03:44	wpyh	AFAIK the H10 contains such a chip (WM8731)
18:04:35	LambdaCalculus37	Yes, it does.
18:04:40	LambdaCalculus37	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH10HardwareComponents#Wolfson_WM8731_Low_Power_Audio_C
18:04:47	wpyh	the markings are different though
18:05:33	wpyh	on the T60 it's "WM8731S 68AEJCX", while on the H10 it's "XWM8731 4CADWRV"
18:06:16	funman	saratoga: so anything left wrt this patch ?
18:06:30	Corsac	erf, I thought T60 was the thinkpad :)
18:06:50	wpyh	the _iriver_ T60
18:06:51	wpyh	:p
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19:13:03	adamgolding	if so, how do you sync the ratings?
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19:40:18	Vilo	hi all
19:40:55	Vilo	can i ask a question?
19:41:14	domonoky	Vilo: as long as it is rockbox related, just ask..
19:41:32	Vilo	of course!
19:42:10	Vilo	I'm going to buy Sansa e280, how i know that is rockbox good
19:43:06	domonoky	Vilo: the only sure way is to check the firmware version of the OF. If it is 3.xx.xx its v2 (bad) if the version is lower, its good
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19:55:10	scorche\|sh	shotofadds: would there be any way that the bootloader could autodetect a bit so that we wont have to have 4 m200 builds?
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19:56:12	fml	Hello. Which infos would the developers need to fix the bug FS #9110 (playback hangs)?
19:56:23	LambdaCalculus37	shotofadds: Yes, at the very most, we can have two builds (one for NAND/HARP, one for AMS).
19:56:46	shotofadds	scorche\|sh: potentially if it doesn't detect a NAND chip it could use the SD code instead, but that seems rather wasteful code-wise.
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19:57:42	Vilo	<domonoky: sorry army man was in my house, how I check the firmware version of the OF?
19:57:43	PaulJam	fml: a reliable way to reproduce it would probably be good.
19:57:44	scorche\|sh	shotofadds: this might be something to discuss at devcon, but as said before, i am not sure the best way to handle the potential users with multiple builds
19:58:08	scorche\|sh	especially as (iirc) you need to open the device to figure out which you have?
19:58:27	shotofadds	certainly we need to be clearer about our version numbers. eg. the wiki talks about "v2"s being AMS-based, but in fact these are hardware v4 and use v4.xx firmware
19:58:47	shotofadds	the firmware version should be sufficient to tell
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19:59:03	domonoky	Vilo: take a look at: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Port
19:59:25	fml	PaulJam: I can reliably reproduce it.
19:59:35	scorche\|sh	ok...i wasnt aware that the firmware version is different between HARP and the others
19:59:45	adamgolding	does anyone here use rockbox ratings for anythign outside of rockbox?
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19:59:47	adamgolding	if so, how do you sync the ratings?
19:59:55	fml	PaulJam: just added some more info to the FS entry.
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20:00:11	shotofadds	scorche\|sh: yeah, SanDisk's firmware download page for the M200 is a work of art :)
20:00:42	scorche\|sh	it isnt as streamlined as would be nice, but we need to decide (it isnt urgent atm, i suppose) if we would rather have install simplicity or code simplicity in this matter
20:01:04	shotofadds	well, there's nothing we can do about the AMS-based ones, that's an entirely different port
20:01:06	LambdaCalculus37	shotofadds: What is the firmware version on your m230?
20:01:33	shotofadds	LambdaCalculus37: 3.2.8.7, apparently
20:01:34	scorche\|sh	of course...i wasnt referrign tot he AMS ones here
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20:02:31	shotofadds	LambdaCalculus37: I had to install the US firmware to get the FM radio on this thing, damn cheapskates :/
20:02:47	LambdaCalculus37	And mine (a v1) was 2.2.5A.
20:03:04	LambdaCalculus37	SanDisk certainly has a weird numbering pattern with their firmwares. :/
20:03:18	fml	PaulJam: should I provide anything displayed in the debug menu? If yes, what exactly?
20:03:19	scorche\|sh	i am not home, so i cant share my versions
20:03:34	bluebrother	their model numbering is weird too. e260 -> 4GB flash, e280 -> 8GB
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20:04:14	shotofadds	LambdaCalculus37: yeah, I don't know what the score is with the v1/v2 versions.
20:06:45	PaulJam	fml: sorry, i'm not a developer. NicoP is the playback guru here.
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20:07:29	pixelma	fml: is it always in the same directory and/or do you notice whether the "disk" activity icon is active when it hangs?
20:07:41	*	shotofadds also needs to find a playback guru
20:07:56	pixelma	fml: when you play this directory from the start, of course
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20:09:47	fml	pixelma: it's always in the same dir (with 18 tracks). It always hangs at the end of the 18-th. This is Sansa e200. Disk activity icon is not displayed. And yes, I just playe the whole dir through.
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20:10:10	PaulJam	so far i have only seen the bug with my custom build (and there i can reproduce it reliably with one specific album). but reporting or investigating bugs with custom builds is pointless. i haven't found yet an album where this happens with the official build.
20:10:26	fml	pixelma: hence this bug is a bit time-expensive to reproduce :-)
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20:13:17	PaulJam	fml: it might help if you have a look at the buffering screen in the debug menu and look if you see something unusual there during playback of the album.
20:13:20	pixelma	I've seen this occasionally - couldn't reproduce so far though - and pondlife too (once on his H300) and he said the disk had spun up and suspected something to do with buffering (during the last track). Maybe knowing the data size of that directory helps to exermine this theory?
20:15:49	pixelma	*examine too ;)
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20:22:21	PaulJam	ZincAlloy: hi, i tried your brushedmetal WPS for H300 and noticed that some parts (progressbar, battery and volume) flicker a little bit when entering the WPS and at track changes. This seems to be caused by overlapping viewports (the AA and the playback icon viewports).
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20:28:49	ZincAlloy	PaulJam: interesting....
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20:29:59	ZincAlloy	PaulJam: album art isn't in a viewport, now that you mention it...
20:31:09	PaulJam	ZincAlloy: yes it is, line 22 and 23.
20:31:22	ZincAlloy	whoops, wrong file, sorry
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20:39:06	ZincAlloy	PaulJam: fixed it :) thanks a lot!
20:39:25	ZincAlloy	PaulJam: gonna update it on the wiki later today
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21:21:48	Arathis2	Is it a known bug that midi playback (on H10/20GB) stops right before the last note?
21:22:22	Arathis2	My rockbox version is r17714-080611
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21:30:38	preglow	shotofadds: what about playback?
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21:31:12	shotofadds	about why playback doesn't actually start until the buffer is full
21:31:57	shotofadds	preglow: did you notice that when you tried playback on the d2?
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21:33:33	amiconn	Playback has several strange bugs. From time to time playback won't start when starting a new album. Rockbox doesn't freeze, but all I can do to make it work again is shut down and restart
21:33:57	amiconn	(observed this on PP only so far)
21:34:13	amiconn	Another one is that playback ends a fraction of a second too early
21:34:47	shotofadds	it's 100% consistent here - nothing plays until alloc reaches full. clearly I have done something stupid, but I don't really know where to look
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21:37:23	GodEater_	I've never seen that one amiconn, and I use my PP player a lot
21:37:54	saratoga	i've noticed that if playback is paused, and I go to another album and try to play, it will often buffer the new track but remain paused
21:38:02	amiconn	Which one? The not starting playback one?
21:38:07	GodEater_	yes that one
21:38:18	amiconn	saratoga: That's by design
21:38:43	amiconn	(unpause should make it play)
21:39:16	amiconn	GodEater: I got that 3 or 4 times on my mini so far. Happened e.g. yesterday...
21:39:31	LambdaCalculus37	I've never seen that, either. And I've tried it on three PP targets.
21:40:07	amiconn	strange
21:40:12	saratoga	amiconn: should starting a new track unpause?
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21:40:31	amiconn	saratoga: Nope. You need to unpause explicitly
21:40:48	saratoga	that seems counterintuitive to me, what is the reasoning behind that?
21:40:58	shotofadds	amiconn: did you see my FIQ question the other day? I'm trying to adjust my code so it doesn't stack unless get_more is called. but including the three commented-out lines causes playback to run at about double speed. I can't work it out... http://pastebin.ca/1052111
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21:42:29	amiconn	saratoga: Pause is independent of track selection. And btw, either behaviour can be seen as being counterintuitive
21:43:37	Llorean	I personally think it'd be nice to be able to "Pause" when playback is stopped, so that a freshly inserted track queues, and buffers, but does not start (so it's ready for an absolute instant start)
21:44:05	Llorean	Not meant as a request or anything, but just stating that "Pause" being independent makes sense to me.
21:45:08	amiconn	That would at least require solving the pause behaviour wrt voice
21:45:23	amiconn	(a good thing to do anyway)
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21:46:18	Llorean	Well, I can't imagine there's a button available for it anyway.
21:46:44	PaulJam	so i was now finally able to reproduce the stoppping of playback near the end of the playlist bug with an official build. but only after enabling database in RAM and dircache. so in order to check if this is related to those settings or the decreased size of the codec buffer i was wondering if there is an easy way to artificially decrease the available amount of RAM for playback.
21:46:51	Llorean	Though I guess an "Insert and Pause" option for when playback is stopped might do it.
21:47:22	Llorean	PaulJam: Increase the plugin buffer in the config-playername.h file when building.
21:48:28	PaulJam	Llorean: ok, thank you.
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21:51:35	*	amiconn has a suspicion
21:53:14	amiconn	shotofadds: It's actually obvious: You use 'blx' in .more_data, so you need to save lr
21:53:22	amiconn	It's needed later in .exit
21:53:43	*	amiconn wonders why this only causes double speed instead of a horrible crash
21:54:43	shotofadds	amiconn: but currently, lr is restored in .exit. the same problem still happens
21:55:16	amiconn	hmm
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21:56:13	*	Bagder goes over the topic suggested for devcon
21:56:23	shotofadds	plus, lr is restored just before the "b .exit"
21:56:24	Bagder	funnily only one concerns rockbox core directly
21:56:50	shotofadds	obviously the core is perfect :-)
21:56:59	amiconn	Why are you saving r0..r3 when not jumping to .more_data, btw?
21:57:02	Bagder	yeah, that must be it
21:57:03	amiconn	You're not using them
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21:58:57	Bagder	I've split up the 21 subjects into 7 subcategories to make it somewhat easier to get a grip of them all
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22:00:00	shotofadds	amiconn: that's what I'm trying to get rid of!
22:00:40	amiconn	I'm not talking about the commented ones, but about the ones at lines 11 and 41
22:00:52	Llorean	Bagder: We going to have printouts by any chance?
22:01:07	amiconn	Maybe I'm misunderstanding what the actual problem is?
22:01:17	Bagder	yes I plan to make a few at least
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22:01:31	Bagder	I trust amiconn can make some there
22:01:33	shotofadds	yes I know. 11 and 41 are the current, perfectly-working code. The goal is to remove those, which I will facilitate by adding in the 3 commented lines
22:01:37	shotofadds	hope that makes sense :)
22:01:40	amiconn	Which verssion does work, the one where lines 45, 54 and 60 are commented out, or the one where they're not?
22:01:48	shotofadds	the pastebin works as-is
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22:02:58	PaulJam	hmm, when i play only the last somg from a directory the device stays always boosted.
22:03:27	Bagder	http://pastebin.com/m586c7c62 <= current version
22:05:25	Llorean	Bagder: Could I suggest one more topic: What is the "goal" of RBUtil? Installer, or "overall Rockbox utility program"? Including, would it be bad to offer front ends for preparing video, album art, or other data that Rockbox expects in a single specific format?
22:05:40	Bagder	sure, I'll insert that
22:06:02	amiconn	shotofadds: So if you uncomment the 3 commented instructions it starts playing double speed, without commenting the ones at 11 and 41?
22:06:05	Llorean	I never even thought of adding it to the page until now, it's always just something we end up talking about in here.
22:06:43	bluebrother	I too thought that it would be good to talk about that :)
22:06:55	amiconn	Checked fiq stack size?
22:10:15	mcuelenaere	amiconn: at the DevCon place, will there be enough ethernet cables for everyone or should each bring his own?
22:10:44	scorche\|sh	i can bring many if needed
22:11:05	mcuelenaere	it's not really a problem, but it would be nice to know :)
22:11:45	amiconn	There should be enough cables I think, but I have to check for the amount of longer ones
22:11:59	amiconn	There'll also be WLAN (11g)
22:12:00	mcuelenaere	ahh ok no problem, mine is quite long so..
22:12:20	shotofadds	amiconn: now I'm really confused. I've re-tested this a few times and the new code (11/41 removed, 45,54,60 added) works perfectly. You may have a point with stack usage, other than that I'm /very/ confused.
22:12:44	shotofadds	although since I wrote that code originally the D2 no longer uses IRAM
22:13:04	amiconn	For windows XP users who want to use WLAN, don't forget to install the WPA2 update (or SP3)
22:13:11	bluebrother	having wlan is nice :)
22:13:30	Bagder	but wlan is always trouble for some
22:13:34	bluebrother	especially as my LAN port is a bit broken.
22:13:48	Bagder	so cable is a good backup option
22:13:50	amiconn	Bagder: Yeah, hence we'll have both
22:13:59	bluebrother	I only had issues with the wlan at uni. But that's history as of now
22:14:06	amiconn	Large enough switch available as well
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22:16:11	bluebrother	how about power outlets? Do we need multiple plugs?
22:16:52	*	scorche\|sh has a power strip for any US plugs =P
22:17:46	amiconn	I think we'll manage to have enough power outlets
22:18:27	bluebrother	great
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22:19:05	scorche\|sh	amiconn: is the plan to try and figure out the video conferencing system there and default back to the webcam?
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22:20:01	amiconn	We won't be able to use the video conferencing system on Friday anyway
22:20:08	amiconn	(different room)
22:20:27	scorche\|sh	ok
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22:20:34	Bagder	friday will mostly be gathering day anyway
22:21:01	scorche\|sh	indeed...i wont be getting in till late
22:21:33	amiconn	Yes, probably
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22:22:52	Bagder	Llorean: are you gonna wait for us at Tegel?
22:25:46	Llorean	Bagder: I had thought about it, but I'm staying at a hotel and need to check in after I land.
22:26:09	Bagder	ah right
22:26:59	Bagder	we need to be at our place before 6pm for the same reason
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22:29:23	Bagder	yeps, we need to decide something
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22:53:25	xxbatman94xx	is their any ipod color/photo patches for the color bug i can test at the moment?
22:56:21	krazykit	xxbatman94xx, LambaCalculus is working on one, but you'd have to check flyspray to see if he posted it yet
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23:04:55	PaulJam	ok, so it is not database in RAM or dircache thats causing the stopping bug. with the artificially decreased playback buffer it happens also.
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23:20:35	PaulJam	Llorean: you don't happen to have an idea how to decrease the playback RAM in the uisimulator? it doesn't seem to work by editing the config-target.h .
23:21:13	Llorean	Sorry, no clue there. =/
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23:46:48	Anthony_	Hey i have a wuick question
23:46:51	Anthony_	*quick
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23:48:44	LuckyCharms	i have a quicl question
23:48:48	LuckyCharms	*quick
23:48:54	dionoea	Then ask the question :)
23:50:17	LuckyCharms	I had rockbox running on my ipod nano last week and i just did a reinstall today but now the themes are defaulting, does anyone know why?
23:50:42	scorche\|sh	LuckyCharms: you should pay more attention to the commit log/MajorChanges page ;)
23:50:45	Llorean	Most themes need to be updated by their authors, certain syntax has changed.
23:51:05	LuckyCharms	thats what i tought after reading the forum
23:51:42	LuckyCharms	i'll do that scorche
23:52:06	scorche\|sh	LuckyCharms: MajorChanges is quite a useful wiki page for such things
23:52:08	scorche\|sh	:)
23:54:04	LuckyCharms	all i see is md5sum plugin? i don't really see how that would affect themes
23:54:26	Llorean	LuckyCharms: the changelog is where this is mentioned.
23:54:48	Llorean	Though I'd expect it to be in MajorChanges too
23:54:49	*	Llorean checks
23:55:11	Llorean	No, oddly Conditional Viewports wasn't added to that.
23:55:16	*	scorche\|sh glares at JdGordon for not putting a change as major as that on the wiki page
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23:56:06	scorche\|sh	LuckyCharms: the MajorChanges page is manually edited, so something things are forgotten...in this case something was forgotten, but you can always see it in the changelog
23:56:12	shotofadds	oh, that reminds me...
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23:56:42	LuckyCharms	is there any way for me to fix it myself or do i have to wait for the themes to be updated?
23:57:05	LuckyCharms	i only need to fix the clix_ themes
23:57:08	shotofadds	JdGordon (for the logs, I guess): since the fade-on-stop redraw fix I'm getting flickering of the progress bar / cabbie icons, whenever I go back to Now Playing from the main menu.
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23:58:30	Llorean	LuckyCharms: It's a relatively minor fix. If you read the CustomWPS page, you need to remove the %m tags (margins) and possibly put things in a new viewport to replace those tags, then update the %pb tag to the new code. it sounds complicated me saying it, but trust me, it's really not hard.

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