00:00:25 | LuckyCharms | umm are the nano themes stil updated? |
00:00:44 | LuckyCharms | if they are i'll probably just wait then ;) |
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00:02:29 | krazykit | LuckyCharms, that's up to the theme authors or people who are willing to fix them and upload them |
00:04:06 | shotofadds | JdGordon: there's also flickering immediately before progressing to the next track in a playlist, and immediately after skipping tracks |
00:04:29 | shotofadds | by flickering, I mean the progress bar is not actually drawn (and battery icons etc are missing) for a fraction of a second |
00:06:04 | LuckyCharms | what would i use for |x|y| in the pb tag? |
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00:11:04 | PaulJam | shotofadds: that is because the default WPS (cabbie) propably has overlapping viewports. i see that on H300 too. |
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00:11:45 | shotofadds | PaulJam: sounds more likely to be since the conditional viewports change, then. it certainly didn't happen a few days ago... |
00:13:32 | LuckyCharms | can't i just use the version beforet the themes broke? |
00:16:29 | PaulJam | shotofadds: well, the cabbie WPSs were changed to use conditional viewports instead of margins shortly after that commit. |
00:17:31 | shotofadds | ok. I hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere so thought I'd mention it... I have more broken things than that to worry about right now though ;) |
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00:18:42 | PaulJam | i don't think it was mentioned before :P |
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01:02:55 | chill_ | hello |
01:03:02 | chill_ | i have a question |
01:03:26 | krazykit | well, if you want help, you should just ask (like the guidelines in the topic say) |
01:03:41 | chill_ | if i buy a compatible ipod and install rockbox in it, will i be able to sync it with amarok? playlists, play count and ratings? |
01:06:47 | Llorean | That's actually a question for Amarok |
01:07:01 | Llorean | Rockbox has its own database format, used on multiple players, and it'd be up to them to read our ratings and play counts from it or not. |
01:07:14 | Llorean | My guess, though, is "no" |
01:07:29 | gevaerts | Playlists should work I think |
01:07:43 | Llorean | Playlists on the other hand are just a common format, m3u, so they're probably okay. |
01:07:55 | chill_ | mm |
01:08:12 | chill_ | ok, then, what media player is able to read this database? or has plugins for it, do you know any? |
01:08:18 | chill_ | in linux by the way |
01:09:10 | Llorean | Probably not any. |
01:09:18 | Llorean | At least, I've never heard of one. |
01:09:50 | chill_ | aww thats sad, i thought open source projects could work together easier, well never mind |
01:10:13 | Llorean | chill_: Nobody's stopping them. |
01:10:17 | chill_ | and, whats the mp3 player that support rockbox with larget capacity? i read that ipod classics are a no no. |
01:10:27 | Llorean | It's mostly because the people who are interested in such a feature (like you) don't go out and actually do it. |
01:11:04 | Llorean | chill_: Be careful. The mp3 player with the largest capacity that Rockbox runs on literally is an MP3 player, it plays no other formats (except WAV) |
01:11:41 | Llorean | Not counting that, though, the largest capacity natively is the 80gb iPod Video, while various players have been upgraded to 120 using third party HDs and sometimes internal adapters. |
01:12:11 | chill_ | i could hack an ipod video for larger capacity, thanks |
01:12:31 | chill_ | and i don't code im a graphic designer i help with my current skills the open source community |
01:12:37 | Llorean | The iPod Video is frankly not exactly the best player out there, by a long shot. |
01:12:37 | chill_ | thank you for your answers |
01:12:55 | chill_ | i don't care the interface will change to rockbox anyway, and all i want is large capacity |
01:13:54 | gevaerts | It's not just a question of interface. There are better players for rockbox |
01:14:04 | Llorean | chill_: The hardware itself is sub-par |
01:14:13 | Llorean | Rockbox can't remove the limits of a slow CPU, for example. |
01:14:26 | chill_ | if you know any i can hack for at least 100gbs of mobile audio playing, tell me |
01:14:37 | chill_ | please :) |
01:15:06 | gevaerts | Do you just want playing, or do you also need recording and radio ? |
01:15:15 | Llorean | Pretty much any of the 1.8" players can have a 120GB disk installed into them, though it's easier if you use one of the ZIF ones so you don't need an adapter. |
01:15:15 | chill_ | playing only |
01:15:51 | chill_ | oh, thanks ill beging comparing prices then =) |
01:15:56 | Llorean | I think there's even a wiki page on disk upgrades |
01:16:00 | gevaerts | In that case I'd say a Toshiba Gigabeat F40 or F60 |
01:16:16 | Llorean | I'd go with the F40 if you're already planning on pulling the drive, save $10-$20 or so |
01:16:32 | chill_ | oh excellent advice |
01:16:43 | Shaid | does the F40 have a smaller backplate? |
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01:16:52 | Llorean | Shaid: No, it's still dual platter. |
01:16:57 | gevaerts | Don't get an F10 or F20, as they have single-platter disks and are thinner |
01:17:08 | chill_ | my only concern is the large music database, the ipod wheel is pretty fast and pretty good to manage large collections, does the gigabeat match up? |
01:17:33 | pixelma | not all players with 1,8" HD can be upgraded to such a big drive (easily) only ones that already use dual platter drives |
01:17:40 | Llorean | chill_: You can probably manage large lists faster with buttons and a properly chosen set of scroll acceleration values. |
01:17:57 | chill_ | oh nice to know, rockbox will let me choose the speed? |
01:18:02 | Llorean | Yes. |
01:18:29 | chill_ | you got to love the customizabilty of open source software |
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01:19:42 | chill_ | we'll i guess once im rich ill hire devs to code plugins for rhythmbox and amarok :P |
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01:21:16 | chill_ | mm im learning python would that be enough for the job? |
01:21:24 | Llorean | chill_: you could always simply post feature requests to them, if it hasn't been requested yet |
01:21:33 | Llorean | They may not even be aware that there's a need for such a thing, yet. |
01:21:39 | chill_ | oh |
01:21:52 | chill_ | i will |
01:22:04 | Llorean | Doesn't guarantee anything, but there might be an interest there |
01:22:21 | chill_ | yeah i understand how it works |
01:22:24 | Llorean | A single database format to add support for, and it'll allow them to support an ever-expanding list of players. |
01:22:37 | chill_ | i've campaigned for features in the past =P |
01:23:22 | chill_ | i'll tell the banshee guys, it seems they have payed developers |
01:23:44 | gevaerts | Tell all of them |
01:24:05 | chill_ | well, the biggest ones are rythmbox, amarok, banshee, and xmpc (or something like that) |
01:24:41 | chill_ | ok im off now |
01:24:44 | chill_ | thank you guys |
01:24:53 | chill_ | oh i forgot |
01:25:08 | chill_ | can i use skins to customize rockbox? i love to skin my apps i dont mind learning |
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01:25:26 | Llorean | Yes. |
01:25:41 | chill_ | cool |
01:25:49 | chill_ | see you later |
01:25:49 | chill_ | bye |
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01:27:38 | HAMAN | hey all |
01:28:02 | HAMAN | i just put Rockbox on my sansa e260\ |
01:28:10 | HAMAN | and it seems to be workin all ok |
01:28:14 | HAMAN | cept for 1 thing |
01:28:32 | ZincAlloy | let me guess: the themes don't work? |
01:28:45 | HAMAN | it seems that any .WPS files arnt workin. it wont show anything cept the stock wps |
01:29:01 | MarcGuay | Two points to ZincAlloy. |
01:29:16 | HAMAN | themes seem ok, i can change them |
01:29:20 | MarcGuay | ZincAlloy: Your prize to getting to explain it to him. :) |
01:29:26 | HAMAN | like the main menu and backrounds change ok |
01:29:33 | Llorean | HAMAN: The WPS code changed recently. Tell the people who wrote the themes they need updated. |
01:29:40 | HAMAN | heh, did i do sumthin wrong? :) |
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01:30:08 | MarcGuay | HAMAN: No it's just a recent change that's causing a lot of confusion. You're one among many. |
01:30:12 | ZincAlloy | not at all. most wps files are just outdated since monday... |
01:30:15 | HAMAN | ok welp, i didnt just use any old themes, i used the ones that are listed in the rock utility for installing |
01:30:32 | HAMAN | ok i see |
01:30:39 | HAMAN | so,,, :) how do i fix this |
01:30:44 | Llorean | HAMAN: Doesn't matter where they came from, the authors need to update them. |
01:31:10 | MarcGuay | HAMAN: You could learn the WPS syntax and fix them yourself or ask the authors to update them. |
01:31:28 | MarcGuay | HAMAN: Or use another theme... or make your own... |
01:31:32 | HAMAN | ok |
01:31:50 | ZincAlloy | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS official wps syntax explained here |
01:32:11 | HAMAN | if this just happened on monday, couldnt i got back to an older build? or i can edit the .wps file to be correct |
01:32:38 | gevaerts | You could, yes |
01:32:47 | ZincAlloy | what's broken on most WPSs are the progress bar and scrolling margins parts |
01:32:49 | MarcGuay | HAMAN: Going backwards leaves you out of step with any future improvements. |
01:33:09 | ZincAlloy | and out of support :) |
01:33:13 | HAMAN | ok, so the way to go is just update the wps code to be current |
01:33:25 | HAMAN | all i need is at that link? |
01:33:50 | ZincAlloy | that link and some fiddling around with the wps file |
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01:34:48 | HAMAN | ok, and lastly, was like all of the synthax codes changed? or just a few commands? |
01:35:02 | pixelma | MarcGuay: had a look at bascule's patches and added some small changes here and there. Think I'm going to commit some more tomorrow (errr today) in the morning - half past 1 in the night here. It took a bit longer to find out what was already committed and what not but ok |
01:35:12 | advcomp2019 | i had to fix my favorite theme for rockbox myself |
01:35:47 | MarcGuay | HAMAN: Focus on %m, %P and %pb. |
01:36:04 | ZincAlloy | haman: you will need to delete the %P tag in most cases and update the %pb tag to the current syntax |
01:36:21 | HAMAN | ok, cool, thanx alot for yer help guys! |
01:36:33 | MarcGuay | pixelma: I noticed, and thanks for fixing my mistakes. :) Sorry if it got confusing, I started at the bottom of the .zip file which couldn't have helped much. |
01:36:40 | HAMAN | do these changes only effect the wps, or other parts of the theme as well? |
01:37:58 | MarcGuay | pixelma: I'm working on fixing http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7677 now... (adding the random folder advance feature). |
01:37:59 | pixelma | MarcGuay: you're welcome. And it's a great chance to pick up some motivation to do more myself again... :) |
01:38:17 | ZincAlloy | scrolling margins (%m) don't work anymore, either. you will need to put content with margins into a viewport. while you're at it you'd better put all icons and graphics inside viewports, too |
01:38:41 | ZincAlloy | haman: they only affect the wps |
01:38:45 | pixelma | MarcGuay: nice |
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01:43:27 | pixelma | if you look hard enough (maybe not even necessary), you can find quite a few undocumented features and/or outdated information |
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01:45:52 | MarcGuay | pixelma: I was hoping the tracker had most of them... I wonder how long I can keep this up without becoming totally demotivated... |
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01:47:07 | pixelma | I'm not sure there's a lot of those in the tracker |
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02:00:05 | MarcGuay | pixelma: Is there a standard way to describe a plugin menu? |
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02:02:44 | pixelma | MarcGuay: I also only used other tex files as model. |
02:03:08 | MarcGuay | pixelma: Okay. Doom will do... :) |
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02:25:27 | MarcGuay | Can anyone think of a nice way to bring setting Auto-Change Directory to Random and the Random_Folder_Advance_Config closer together in the interface? Could the plugin be triggered when you select it as an option? Have the list auto-generate? |
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02:26:25 | JdGordon | no, maybe, maybe |
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02:29:09 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: :) That's about as far as I got myself... |
02:29:30 | JdGordon | :) |
02:29:46 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: I'm trying to document it and can see why you didn't. |
02:29:51 | vulgarpower | does anyone know when 5g ipod dock connector audio out will be worked on? looking to use an itrip (dock) and can't do the hardwire. |
02:30:16 | JdGordon | MarcGuay: I didnt because I'm a lazy bugger and never document anything outside the code :D |
02:30:22 | scorche|sh | JdGordon: could you please edit MajorChanges to indicate your recent "big" commits? |
02:30:33 | MarcGuay | vulgarpower: Pantera rules, and if you keep an eye on the tracker tasks that's probably about as good as it gets. |
02:30:44 | JdGordon | scorche|sh: ah yeah.. forgot about that |
02:30:51 | scorche|sh | ...we noticed |
02:31:18 | JdGordon | well it is a wiki.... |
02:31:51 | scorche|sh | and you still should edit it after such a commit... =P |
02:31:55 | * | MarcGuay holds back his snarky comments. |
02:32:06 | vulgarpower | marc: yeah that's kind of what i was afraid of... |
02:32:23 | vulgarpower | didn't see anything in the feature request tho... did i miss it? |
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02:35:45 | MarcGuay | vulgarpower: All is see is FS #8624. |
02:36:59 | vulgarpower | marc: thanks! |
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02:38:26 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: I noticed a small bug in random_folder_advance while I was poking it. Want to know now or should I task it? |
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02:39:47 | scorche|sh | everything has another meaning in the UK |
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02:45:35 | JdGordon | MarcGuay: task it... i might not have time today to fix it |
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03:06:17 | wastrel | er, hi just got a sansa e260. the current build page says "broken?" |
03:06:35 | wastrel | shall i see if it is in fact broken? or play it safe and go with an older build? |
03:08:27 | MarcGuay | wastrel: Hold on... |
03:11:06 | MarcGuay | wastrel: It's odd, not showing up in the build table. Using the daily build should be good, and more reliable. |
03:11:18 | MarcGuay | wastrel: For now that is. Usually the current build is fine. |
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03:13:53 | wastrel | ok thanks |
03:15:28 | HAMAN | 1 thing i was hoping for with rockbox vs stock was a way to make volume louder. but i dont see any way to do this? is it possible? (sansa e260) |
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03:17:14 | krazykit | HAMAN, just scroll the wheel and make it louder... if you can't go any higher, it's because the device simply doesn't support it |
03:17:57 | wastrel | better earphones may help i bought some in-ear ones that improve it |
03:18:09 | HAMAN | ok, so all the way up is all the way up ":) |
03:18:21 | krazykit | obviously, yes ;) |
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03:29:27 | MarcGuay | grr. If I want to have a path (./rockbox/whatever) in the manual, how do I escape it so it compiles? |
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03:35:37 | wastrel | rockbox running on the e260 <3 |
03:35:50 | wastrel | now i need to install a nice theme. and figure out how to convert video |
03:38:33 | wastrel | (suggestions re either are welcome) |
03:40:35 | krazykit | wastrel, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer - read that for video information |
03:41:11 | wastrel | krazykit: yeah i read that. i tried a bunch of things and didn't get a successful conversion yet. |
03:41:22 | wastrel | i have to pick one and learn how to use it i think. |
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03:52:53 | crzyboyster | Can someone take a quick look at my WPS and tell me what's wrong with it? (I'm trying to fix up my WPS') > http://pastebin.ca/1056140 |
03:53:56 | crzyboyster | By the way, the WPS parser isn't breaking it, but parts of it aren't showing up properly. Any idea why because I can't figure out this new code... not to mention I'm a bit rusty with viewports... |
03:55:16 | MarcGuay | crzyboyster: What parts are causing trouble? |
03:56:01 | crzyboyster | Some features (hold icon, etc.) aren't showing up... hold on, let me get a screenshot of the theme |
03:57:08 | crzyboyster | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/WpsIpodNano?rev=2;filename=corners_wpsaa.png is the screenshot |
03:58:04 | crzyboyster | And another question: Do we have viewports in the main menu now? |
03:58:48 | MarcGuay | Try putting the last 6 lines after the variable declarations so that they're in the main viewport. It's possible that since they're at the end they're getting lumped into the last viewport. |
03:59:54 | MarcGuay | And for your question, I don't think so. |
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04:03:29 | MarcGuay | OMG this is driving me nuts. If anyone knows how I can put "/.rockbox/folder_advance_list.txt" literally into the manual, please contact me. The underscores are not being treated with any love at all. Arrrrrr! |
04:04:33 | krazykit | MarcGuay, don't you just escape them out with \ |
04:05:03 | MarcGuay | krazykit: If it's that easy call me a fool... Will try... |
04:05:44 | MarcGuay | krazykit: No dice. |
04:06:00 | krazykit | google is a liar then :( |
04:06:30 | MarcGuay | krazykit: Is that a LaTeX rule? |
04:06:47 | krazykit | seems so |
04:07:35 | MarcGuay | krazykit: Seems happy with it when it's inside a \fname{}. Thanks krazykit. |
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04:40:19 | JdGordon | MarcGuay: just for future reference (re... "try putting the last 6 lines after the variable declarations..."), lines are always put in the viewport after they are defined, so yes, they are being put in that last one... |
04:41:41 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: Figured. Nice. I think I found one of the bugs in RFA myself. A classic no-braces mistake for the case mistake. |
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04:46:41 | crzyboyster | How would I go about making a WPS change the background if a song has album art or not? |
04:47:18 | crzyboyster | An example would probably be enough, but I can't seem to find any... |
04:48:00 | JdGordon | I highly doubt you can do that |
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04:48:26 | crzyboyster | Really? |
04:48:30 | JdGordon | really |
04:48:36 | MarcGuay | crzyboyster: Could be difficult with the image limits... ?%C<%C|%Vda> where viewport 'a' has a huge image in the background. |
04:49:01 | MarcGuay | crzyboyster: You won't have much space left for anything else with two full screen images, though. |
04:49:04 | JdGordon | MarcGuay: I was thinking that, but then i dont think the text drawing will work with that |
04:49:30 | JdGordon | and yeah, iirc the image buffer is big enough 2 exaclty 2 full screen images |
04:49:32 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: You know better than I. Works logically, though. |
04:49:33 | crzyboyster | I have heard of that (concept) before and thought it would be possible ? |
04:49:48 | crzyboyster | Oh, well |
04:50:04 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: I checked the code once and it's 2.25 or 2.5 or something. I added it to the CustomWPS wiki. |
04:50:43 | MarcGuay | Any idea why the e200 build is broken? Seems to crack at pacbox. |
04:51:51 | crzyboyster | Hold on, maybe y'all misunderstood me. Basically, I want the frame on this WPS gone when there is no album art available > http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/WpsIpodNano?rev=2;filename=corners_wps.png |
04:53:04 | MarcGuay | crzyboyster: In that case you could say IF there's album art, display this box image as well as the album cover. |
04:53:22 | crzyboyster | And how would I go about doing that? |
04:53:40 | crzyboyster | WPS examples? |
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04:55:05 | crzyboyster | And what exactly is "study mode"? |
04:55:29 | MarcGuay | ?%C<%Vda|Vdb> where viewport 'a' has a box image displayed as well as the album art. And another viewport, also defined as 'a', has the album info. Whereas viewport 'b' is just the album info centered. |
04:58:07 | MarcGuay | crzyboyster: Study Mode = http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6188 |
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04:59:21 | crzyboyster | Thanks, MarcGuay. |
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06:33:24 | wastrel | why is the MUSIC folder hidden in the file view? |
06:34:54 | Shaid | by default the sansa hides that folder. |
06:37:37 | wastrel | i see. i didn't have this proplem on my e250r presumably because of the patch |
06:42:04 | wastrel | ok thanks. mv MUSIC MUSIC- |
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06:42:10 | wastrel | :] |
06:44:09 | Shaid | I called mine _MUSIC_ |
06:44:24 | Shaid | so it was always at the top of the file index. And that enter after music was unintentional. |
06:46:59 | wastrel | i'm mostly in PODCASTS and VIDEO, don't actually have much music. |
06:47:04 | wastrel | ot, sorry. |
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07:00:34 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: Mrsh. That missing braces thing I mentionned earlier was a mirage, and therefore so is the "bug fix" in my last commit. The real bugs are in the tracker. |
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07:19:49 | HAMAN | hey all, just figured out how to get the wps files updated to work with new synthax.. its not very hard at all. and now i've found myself not just fixing them, but toally customizing them to my likes |
07:20:25 | HAMAN | but i wonder , is it possible to display in a wps a scope or spec analizer? |
07:20:43 | HAMAN | like winamp shows on main screen |
07:29:58 | Llorean | No. |
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07:40:50 | alackie | really quick question: my understanding is that my 4th gen iPod and Rockbox won't work/will only partially work with most dock/remotes, right? Is there a fix for this? |
07:41:30 | scorche | alackie: no...Rockbox doesnt currently support the apple accessory protocol |
07:41:54 | alackie | Okay, then I can stop trying. Thanks for the help! |
07:42:07 | * | amiconn wonders about MarcGuay's change in that plugin |
07:42:13 | scorche | stop trying to do what? |
07:42:17 | amiconn | The braces are completely unnecessary |
07:42:46 | alackie | stop trying to find a way to get my remote to work. |
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08:34:13 | HAMAN | is there a graphical view someware of what all the available fonts look like? |
08:36:07 | Corsac | hmhm and how exactly are themes organized? I have found a nice theme for general interface, nice icons, but I'd like to find a nice theme for the “playing” window |
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08:36:43 | Corsac | but I don't really understand how everything goes when one apply themes (because sometime not everything is changed, so I guess not all themes define all interface parts) |
08:36:50 | HAMAN | the playing window is setup via the WPS file |
08:37:15 | HAMAN | they in WPS dir |
08:37:40 | Corsac | yeah but not all wps define everything, right? |
08:37:43 | JdGordon | amiconn: yeah, ignore it... he's obviously not up to scratch with C just yet.... |
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08:39:32 | HAMAN | well, the wps only defines everything in the playing screen, not anything else |
08:39:40 | Corsac | hmhmh |
08:40:15 | Corsac | so background, fonts, icons, “selection bar”, are selected from where? |
08:40:55 | JdGordon | they are all setup in the .cfg file which really is the "theme" file |
08:41:04 | JdGordon | the .wps is set in the .cfg also... |
08:42:16 | Corsac | yeah but when I select a WPS file I downloaded from rockbox website, it sets the background, the fonts etc. too |
08:42:34 | Corsac | which I guess is ok |
08:43:02 | Corsac | now I just need to find a good looking “playing window” theme, then chose myself background, fontds, icons etc. |
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08:45:40 | HAMAN | did anyone know where i could see what all the fonts look like? so i know what each setting does? i'm tryin to make my own wps. but dont know what fonts will look like, to many to try all 1 by 1 |
08:46:18 | PaulJam | Corsac: in the "theme Settings" menu you have "browse themes" which selects whole thames (so background, font, etc) but you also habe "browser .wps files" which selects only the while playing screen. |
08:46:35 | Corsac | ok |
08:46:38 | Corsac | thanks |
08:46:47 | Corsac | and what are rwps files? |
08:46:59 | Corsac | (and would your recommend a wps for iriver h320?) |
08:47:01 | PaulJam | WPS for the remote |
08:47:25 | Corsac | ok |
08:47:46 | Corsac | I use pure rockbox builds so I'm not sure I can use those wps which requires patches and special features |
08:48:05 | PaulJam | Corsac: the PJ_Ice_A theme of course ;) http://www.misticriver.net/forums/589666-post254.html |
08:50:48 | PaulJam | Corsac: in the WPSGallery in the wiki the themes by JohannesVoggenthaler should be updated to work with the current build too. |
08:51:09 | Corsac | hmhm, I currently use DGT Deep |
08:51:20 | Corsac | but it doesn't look at all like the screenshot |
08:51:35 | Corsac | (I just recently upgraded my rockbox install so maybe it's related) |
08:51:51 | PaulJam | there was a major change in the WPS syntax that broke most of the WPS on monday. |
08:51:57 | Corsac | arf |
08:51:59 | Corsac | so that's why |
08:52:10 | Corsac | and I guess themes aren't yet updated |
08:52:24 | Corsac | is this something I can change easily by hand? |
08:53:55 | PaulJam | see the CustomWPS wiki page. you probably need to fis the %pb tags, remove %P, and if the WPS contains %m| tags you need to ise viewports instead. |
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08:59:40 | Corsac | hmhm is there a “migration” help page? |
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09:00:06 | Corsac | because on CustomWPS I don't really know what to do |
09:00:14 | Corsac | (and I is it up to date?) |
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09:03:44 | Corsac | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17763 I guess? |
09:04:49 | Corsac | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17759 too |
09:04:52 | PaulJam | yes, that and r17759 |
09:06:17 | Corsac | I tried the perl script |
09:06:20 | Corsac | will check |
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09:10:06 | Corsac | hmhm, doesn't seem to be enough :/ |
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09:18:05 | PaulJam | Corsac: i just looked at the wps and something is very strange there. i would be surprised if this wps would have worked with an older build. try replacing the %pb line with "%pb|pb.bmp|0|153|220|3|" and remove the line starting with %P |
09:19:01 | Corsac | PaulJam: I'm living for work, but I'll do that, thanks |
09:19:07 | Corsac | I'll keep you informed |
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09:19:49 | JD24 | Hello all! |
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09:22:30 | JD24 | I'm currently working on the serial communication between a sansa c200 and the sansa base station. can someone tell me where to get the AS3514 datasheet? |
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09:31:41 | LinusN | JD24: the AS3514 is an audio codec |
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09:34:21 | funman | hi |
09:34:50 | JD24 | Well i know but it handles the volume control which is supported by the remote control of the base station |
09:35:23 | LinusN | JD24: the audio drivers in rockbox should already be able to control the volume |
09:35:59 | LinusN | i guess you need to find out how the serial communication is done |
09:36:22 | JD24 | i already was able to sniff the communication :-) |
09:36:25 | LinusN | is it a plain TTL RS232 link? |
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09:36:29 | JD24 | no is not |
09:36:33 | JD24 | it's I2C |
09:36:50 | JD24 | thats the reasion i like to have the AS3514 datasheet |
09:37:00 | JD24 | since it supports I2C |
09:37:22 | JD24 | maybe i can interpret my sniffing logs |
09:37:37 | LinusN | use a multimeter to find out where the i2c lines go |
09:37:52 | JD24 | i was a pain in the butt to find that out since i'm not an electronic engineer nor have a sope |
09:38:03 | JD24 | i now the pin outs |
09:38:09 | JD24 | mean i know the pin outs |
09:38:38 | LinusN | it is not likely to be connected directly to the AS3514, since you can control the playback as well |
09:39:26 | JD24 | does rockbox have drivers for I2C ? |
09:39:42 | LinusN | JD24: not for I2C slave |
09:40:13 | JD24 | so it can only used as master? |
09:40:48 | LinusN | so far all the players we have encountered have only used I2C to control peripheral slaves |
09:41:13 | JD24 | that's exactly how the OF communicates with the remote control |
09:41:14 | LinusN | so we have no knowledge about how to use the portalplayer I2C as a slave |
09:41:33 | JD24 | there is no need for it to act as a I2c slave |
09:41:54 | LinusN | aha, so the remote is polled by the player? |
09:42:00 | JD24 | no |
09:42:08 | JD24 | there is a IRQ input pin on the sansa |
09:42:36 | LinusN | and then the firmware reads the remote via I2C? |
09:43:03 | JD24 | yes |
09:43:08 | LinusN | ah, that's good |
09:43:24 | LinusN | then you have no use at all for the as3514 sheets |
09:43:52 | LinusN | "all" you have to do is to find out which i2c controller to use |
09:44:21 | LinusN | and decipher the protocol |
09:44:44 | LinusN | shouldn't be that hard |
09:44:57 | LinusN | good work so far, btw |
09:44:58 | JD24 | not directly for the remote control thing but i like to learn about configuring audio input via i2c |
09:45:04 | JD24 | the datasheet would be handy for that |
09:45:16 | JD24 | thanks |
09:45:18 | LinusN | but we already do that |
09:45:30 | LinusN | otherwise we would have no sound on the c200 |
09:45:45 | JD24 | but not via remote control |
09:45:53 | JD24 | bass/trebble ... |
09:45:59 | LinusN | ah, you mean enabling the line out in the dock connector |
09:46:12 | JD24 | something like that |
09:46:22 | LinusN | is there no sound at all? |
09:46:23 | pixelma | is this docking station usable with the e200 and c200? |
09:46:37 | advcomp2019 | LinusN, JD24 has the Sansa made dock that has a remote |
09:46:47 | JD24 | i only can confirm that with sansa fuze and sansa c200 |
09:47:36 | JD24 | i'll put my findings on the wiki |
09:47:44 | advcomp2019 | i remember the thread from anythingbutipod that he is trying to figure this stuff out too |
09:48:13 | JD24 | yes that's alse me in the abi forums (JD24) |
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09:48:49 | JD24 | btw the sansa dock also use an audio amplifier chip controlled via I2C |
09:49:35 | LinusN | JD24: but is it an as3514? |
09:50:56 | JD24 | no maxim |
09:50:58 | advcomp2019 | here are the scans of the dock: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=256725&postcount=93 |
09:51:10 | JD24 | thanks, already have that |
09:51:30 | LinusN | do we have the as3514 datasheets btw? |
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09:52:12 | pixelma | umm... |
09:53:54 | JD24 | someone has |
09:54:00 | JD24 | ? |
09:54:40 | pixelma | LinusN: well, AMS... |
09:55:01 | LinusN | :-) |
09:55:18 | LinusN | lemme check here... |
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09:56:31 | evan123423414334 | #rockbox |
09:56:39 | evan123423414334 | #rockbox |
09:56:45 | scorche | evan123423414334: you are there |
09:56:51 | advcomp2019 | evan123423414334, yes? |
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10:22:57 | JD24 | anything yet? |
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10:41:21 | Corsac | mpf, fat fs on iriver doesn't want files with "?" in the name :( |
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10:42:17 | dionoea | Corsac: that's one of the forbidden characters in FAT |
10:42:28 | dionoea | (along with * " : | < and >) |
10:42:42 | dionoea | or s/FAT/Windows/ |
10:43:51 | Corsac | yeah |
10:44:01 | Corsac | too bad |
10:44:08 | Corsac | that's the only device I really use vfat on |
10:44:25 | Corsac | but I don't think it support ext, does it? |
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11:06:50 | markun | my gigabeat just gave me a big red "NO SYSTEM ON HDD" error. I turned it on again and it works fine. |
11:08:14 | gevaerts | Bad connection, or dying hard disk ? |
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11:10:47 | Toki | Hi all. Have anyone experienced a total hang-on on X5 at the end of .ape files playback? |
11:14:37 | gevaerts | At the end of any .ape file, or at the end of the playlist ? |
11:14:50 | pixelma | occasional freezes during the last tracks of a playlist have been reported (with mp3s too), there's a tracker entry for it and I've experienced it too a few times (on c200 and M5) |
11:15:51 | pixelma | s/tracks/track |
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11:17:56 | LinusN | JD24: ping |
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11:38:21 | Toki | at the end of any .ape file (sorry for late response) |
11:39:09 | Toki | the screen turns black, and only long press of the "off" button brings it back to life |
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11:39:44 | Toki | player freezes at approx. 5% from the end of the song |
11:39:45 | gevaerts | Soif you play an album with more than one .ape file, it will stop at the end of the first one ? Then that's a different bug. |
11:39:56 | gevaerts | Which revision are you using ? |
11:40:00 | Toki | yes |
11:40:18 | Toki | I used some older version (like 3 month old) and just tried today's build |
11:40:23 | Toki | official one |
11:42:18 | Toki | perhaps the player tries to read the next file in playlist and gives up... I'll try with 1 file in a dir |
11:42:42 | gevaerts | Do other codecs work, like mp3 ? |
11:42:58 | Toki | mp3 and flac works fine (no glich) |
11:45:43 | gevaerts | I can't find any bug report describing anything like that. Could you file one ? |
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11:56:02 | Toki | If I play a single file (I mean there are no other .ape or any other files in a dir) the player does not hang, but it produced a dreadful "white noise" which almost destroyed my ears :( |
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12:08:00 | GodEater | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17365.msg128392#msg128392 <−− An idea I just had, discuss |
12:09:18 | CFP | Hey everybody |
12:09:28 | CFP | I just created a wiki account |
12:09:46 | CFP | as suggested on http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17390.0 |
12:10:11 | CFP | Is it possible to get edit privileges ? |
12:10:30 | GodEater | CFP: what's your WikiName ? |
12:10:50 | CFP | ClementPitClaudel |
12:11:17 | GodEater | Done |
12:11:25 | CFP | Great, thanks |
12:11:29 | GodEater | no problem |
12:12:15 | Toki | Can someone help me with logging in on tracker? I get blank page after enterin log and pass... |
12:12:49 | GodEater | Zagor is "Mr. Tracker" and he doesn't appear to be around currently |
12:13:25 | CFP | I was wondering |
12:13:29 | Toki | ok... |
12:13:44 | CFP | Is there a special procedure with plugins |
12:13:55 | CFP | Appart from submitting them in the tracker |
12:14:06 | CFP | to have them tested or so ? |
12:14:17 | GodEater | nope |
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12:14:34 | GodEater | having them in the tracker usually is enough to ensure they get some level of testing |
12:15:05 | GodEater | you can advertise the tracker entry in the forums though if you want more testing done. |
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12:17:06 | CFP | ok |
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12:17:10 | Llorean | GodEater: I intend to bring up RButil at devcon for discussing its intent, which I think that feeds into |
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12:17:37 | GodEater | I think that's quite a neat feature we could offer in the future |
12:17:44 | GodEater | if we can get it to work reliably |
12:17:53 | CFP | Cause my new text editor seems to just get people bored |
12:18:05 | GodEater | it needs thinking about of course though, as we'd need some way to get those scripts into the release that RBUtil is trying to install |
12:18:05 | CFP | anyway |
12:18:07 | Llorean | At the very least we could have it flag broken WPSes and maybe give appropriate clues |
12:18:09 | GodEater | but I'm sure we could come up with something |
12:18:20 | GodEater | yeah, that's a good start |
12:18:30 | Llorean | Since we're working on that feature for the theme site anyway. |
12:18:55 | * | GodEater *really* hopes someone is at least going to record audio at the DevCon for other people to listen in to |
12:19:05 | CFP | Llorean : I quite like the idea of a script to fix broken WPSs tags |
12:19:11 | markun | CFP: is it a text file editor or text input? |
12:19:22 | scorche | GodEater: of the talks? |
12:19:42 | GodEater | scorche: of everthing ideally, but yes, definitely the Rockbox related talks |
12:19:45 | Llorean | CFP: It'd be hard to universally fix them, since you'd then have to keep around a revision history of all changed tags. |
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12:20:10 | GodEater | Llorean: not necessarily I think |
12:20:19 | pixelma | haha, found a manual section that only contains a . very helpful |
12:20:20 | Llorean | GodEater: We'll have dozens of MP3 players with recording capabilities there. We just need to remember to run a few on. |
12:20:24 | GodEater | although in some cases I can imagine it wouldn't be possible to script an automatic fix |
12:20:32 | scorche | GodEater: well, we could probably do some sort of voip, and i believe petur is bringing a bit of his taping rig, so... |
12:20:54 | GodEater | but we either need developers to do these scripts themselves, or persuade some of our WPS authors to get some perl-fu |
12:21:05 | GodEater | scorche: podcasts of the event would be awesome |
12:21:18 | CFP | markun: both |
12:21:25 | petur | yes, I'm bringing mics and mic amp... |
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12:21:31 | Llorean | GodEater: In the current case, the script would have to be exactly specific to this case. If the tags change again, the script would have to be able to change old ones to the middle version, then middle versions to the newest version, without interpreting the newest version as an old version, and so forth. |
12:21:45 | CFP | markun: the text editor is here to demonstrate the new input method |
12:21:49 | GodEater | Llorean: not so entirely |
12:22:18 | GodEater | we could allow the upgrades to a given version require stacking previous releases which included the script to fix whatever broke in them |
12:22:22 | GodEater | if you see what I mean ? |
12:22:33 | GodEater | it might mean we need some more complex archiving of builds though =/ |
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12:22:47 | GodEater | it needs thought |
12:22:49 | CFP | Maybe wps files could be tagged with a rockbox version |
12:22:50 | Llorean | Yeah, but that's the thing. If we have a new revision of %pb, old scripts will think it's just as broken as the older tags, since they'd both fail the check. |
12:23:07 | CFP | so that we know which tags are to be updated |
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12:23:18 | GodEater | CFP: that's not a bad idea either |
12:23:36 | Llorean | I think the best bet is to check if it's valid, if not, tell the author "It needs fixing, but (if applicable) a new version is available at the themes site, do you wish to download?" |
12:23:40 | GodEater | Llorean: that would mean you'd just have to apply the releases in the right oder though ? |
12:23:51 | GodEater | s/oder/order |
12:23:53 | Llorean | GodEater: That's my point though. Let's call this "progress bar v2" |
12:24:00 | pixelma | I'm always hesitating to trust such scripts |
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12:24:16 | Llorean | When PB v3 rolls around, if you have some v1 WPSes still around, the v2 script will identify both v1 and v3 ones as "broken" since they don't match the v2 format. |
12:24:19 | GodEater | pixelma: we'd of course make it an optional step ;) |
12:24:37 | Llorean | So the v3 script will have to recognize v1 and v2, and upgrade either, for it to be safe. |
12:24:38 | GodEater | Llorean: that could be taken care of with CFP's idea for version stamping the WPS's though |
12:24:56 | GodEater | you wouldn't apply the v1 script to a v2 wps |
12:25:16 | GodEater | or whatever |
12:25:25 | CFP | I think that last time WPS was updated by the script can give version info |
12:25:49 | CFP | I mean, we'd have a first script to update all current WPSs |
12:25:54 | GodEater | this is of course moot if the WPS changes are so sweeping it's not possible to write a nice script to fix them |
12:25:59 | Llorean | It seems an overly complicated solution. |
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12:26:25 | GodEater | Llorean: it might be hell to implement yes, but I think a lot of users would thank us |
12:26:40 | GodEater | I've not really thought about all the details in any case |
12:26:40 | CFP | and then, each time an update is necessary, version n to version n+1 would be applied |
12:27:02 | GodEater | and the WPS is just one example - the example in the post for a hypothetical rename of database.<thingy> files is another use case |
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12:27:34 | Llorean | GodEater: Agreed, a "check for old files, and rename, or remove no longer necessary ones" would be nice. |
12:27:48 | GodEater | I think we had a similar case when we categorised the plugins |
12:27:53 | Llorean | Yup |
12:27:55 | GodEater | and when flashlight got renamed |
12:28:19 | GodEater | so even leaving the WPS suggestion out |
12:28:27 | GodEater | I think we have a valid feature request there for RBUtil |
12:28:43 | CFP | Although no solution was found for flashlight, right ? |
12:28:44 | GodEater | it might be enough to make me actually use it for doing my own upgrades ;) |
12:29:05 | GodEater | CFP, it was the same solution as for the categorised plugins - delete the old stuff manually |
12:29:16 | GodEater | which is less than ideal |
12:29:29 | CFP | And I guess it was the same when we moved to bitmapstrips |
12:30:30 | * | GodEater wonders what bluebrother / domonoky will think when they hear all the work we've volunteered for them :) |
12:31:22 | Llorean | Last time I issued a feature request for RButil, it was implemented rather shortly thereafter. This has trained me to expect that every time I open my big mouth. |
12:31:29 | GodEater | a tricky decision will be, do we implement these "scripts" as something that RBUtil can execute itself, or do we want to rely on some external engine (e.g. python or perl) to do it ? |
12:31:37 | pixelma | meh. Can someone think of a reason why a sentence regarding where to get fonts is below a "Getting Extras" headline in the manual, followed by another section about fonts "Loading Fonts"? I'm a bit undecided what to do with it, thinking of teh Player manual |
12:32:34 | pixelma | "Getting Extras" just describes where to get the fonts package |
12:32:49 | * | GodEater curses his lack of svn access at work these days |
12:32:58 | PaulJam | Godeater: so when the renaming of for example the database.(un)ignore files would be committed, wouldn't almost all users still have a version of RBUtil installed that isn't aware of this change? or has it some kind of auto-update/update-notification feature? |
12:32:59 | GodEater | or he'd look at how complex it would be to implement this in some fashion himself |
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12:33:26 | GodEater | PaulJam: clearly it would require a new version of RBUtil too, as there's no such feature for auto-update yet |
12:33:38 | obo | QT4 has a scripting language/engine... |
12:34:05 | GodEater | obo, cool - how comprehensive is it ? |
12:34:17 | obo | no idea, I just know it exists |
12:36:42 | CFP | I get a strange warning using 'make zip' : 'Warning: DWIDTH spec > max FONTBOUNDINGBOX' |
12:38:47 | obo | GodEater: looks like it can run any function you care to write in normal QT4 C++ (http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qtscript.html) |
12:40:13 | markun | CFP: oops, that's probably one of my commits from yesterday |
12:40:30 | CFP | ok |
12:41:01 | markun | Arabic glyphs in helvR12 by MTee |
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12:50:09 | CFP | How do you insert a line feed in a twiki page table ? |
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13:40:16 | LTourist | hi there |
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13:41:18 | GodEater | LTourist: hi |
13:42:00 | LTourist | hi GodEater :) |
13:42:55 | LTourist | markun are you here ? |
13:46:45 | markun | LTourist: yes |
13:46:51 | LTourist | :) |
13:47:10 | LTourist | have you seen my PM on meizume ? |
13:47:20 | markun | no, I'll check it |
13:47:43 | LTourist | ^^ |
13:48:26 | LTourist | you don't need to go there, I can repeat right now what I wrote in the PM you know ! :) |
13:48:28 | markun | wow, 3 unread messages |
13:49:38 | markun | LTourist: I did (and reverted) an accidental commit :) |
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13:49:55 | markun | otherwise there is no code yet in svn |
13:50:24 | markun | I thought it would be a bit premature if we didn't have any testcode running on the meizu |
13:50:26 | LTourist | no but if the target tree, configure etc is already here, why didn't you leave it |
13:50:43 | markun | but it probably would help other people working on it |
13:50:55 | LTourist | well, i think so |
13:51:27 | LTourist | did you made so more test since last time ? (I think it was with the flashing screen) |
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13:51:36 | markun | Some rockbox devs will meet this weekend in Berlin. After that we can hopefully commit something |
13:51:48 | LTourist | :D |
13:52:02 | markun | no, I didn't have much time for the port |
13:52:28 | LTourist | Somebody stollen my m6sp, so I will buy another m6, but I don't know yet if i'll buy a sp or a sl |
13:52:37 | LTourist | ok |
13:53:07 | markun | The supplier here only had SL models left |
13:53:46 | LTourist | if you search right, you could still find some sp models, but that's hard!!! |
13:54:58 | LTourist | By the way, I was thinking of taking 2 meizu : one for a continuous use, and another (cheapper i can find) to do some test and rockbox dev |
13:55:11 | LTourist | do you think that's usefull ? |
13:57:14 | markun | maybe if you can find a Meizu M3 |
13:57:24 | markun | or an older TP or something? |
13:57:59 | LTourist | the m3 is at the same price and have same hardware, no? |
13:58:16 | LTourist | find a tp could be interessant has he didn't have the same screen |
13:58:19 | markun | I don't know about the price, but the hardware is very similar |
13:58:47 | markun | well, even withing the SP and SL models there seem to be various screens |
13:59:14 | LTourist | yeah, they didn't have the same screen size |
13:59:29 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MeizuM6Port#Hardware |
13:59:30 | LTourist | sp is 2"4 and sl is 2"41 |
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14:00:31 | LTourist | and I read several time than sl screen is better. We need to know if they use the same controller or not... |
14:00:52 | LTourist | you write s6D0123/139 LCD-Driver |
14:01:28 | LTourist | is that supposed to mean that sp use the 129 one and sl use 139 ? |
14:03:35 | markun | no, I just wasn't sure which of the 2 it is |
14:03:41 | LTourist | ok |
14:04:07 | markun | but if you look in meizume you can find a lot of LCD drivers inits identified by kgb2008 |
14:04:35 | LTourist | yeah I saw that he did a great work |
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14:08:47 | LTourist | I'm now at the stade where I configure my environnement ^^ |
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14:09:43 | LTourist | but vim is making trouble under cygwin, I'll certainly reboot under linux if I can't use vim as usual... |
14:10:04 | markun | developing in linux works better anyway I think |
14:10:24 | markun | if you don't want to reboot you could also use vmware |
14:10:28 | LTourist | I think so ^^ |
14:11:13 | LTourist | erf, that's mean I need to reinstall all the stuf under a virtual machine... Stuff that I already installed for real under ubuntu ^^ |
14:12:27 | markun | or use this image: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
14:13:50 | LTourist | I try this image few month ago, and I can't managed to get it work |
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14:17:51 | LTourist | just a question : do you think m6 sp/tp build will be different as they use different hardware from the screen |
14:18:31 | LTourist | same thing for sl as it use different hardware and hasn't the same button layout |
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14:27:43 | wpyh | hi |
14:28:06 | wpyh | markun: do you understand the code used to run arbitrary binaries, for the iriver t10? |
14:28:33 | wpyh | since the iriver T series and the Meizu players are using samsung chips, we can probably use that |
14:28:52 | wpyh | so, no need to reflash the firmware everytime we want to test something |
14:29:10 | wpyh | unfortunately, I don't understand that code, and where to insert/patch it |
14:29:26 | wpyh | (it should replace a function called when decoding wma files) |
14:31:27 | markun | I didn't look at it in detail |
14:31:44 | LTourist | wpyh : where I can find this code ? I'm pretty sure I can't understand it, but I'm interessed in looking in :) |
14:33:09 | wpyh | here: http://iriver-t10.sourceforge.net/ |
14:33:47 | wpyh | markun: well, the instructions there are pretty clear −− the problem is: the OF that the author uses is not available |
14:34:00 | wpyh | so I can't figure out the hack |
14:34:06 | LTourist | thanks |
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14:35:29 | markun | wpyh: here you can find iriver firmwares if you are looking for it: http://nyaochi.sakura.ne.jp/iriverupdate/ |
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14:37:26 | wpyh | markun: yes, that page is referenced in the sf.net site |
14:37:48 | wpyh | but the exact firmware version that the author uses is no longer available (he used 1.73, the current version is 1.77) |
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14:40:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | Morning, everyone! Someone want to have a peek at FS #9122? |
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14:42:19 | wpyh | anyone wants to have a peek at FS #9112? ;) |
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14:42:47 | Arwulf | Good morning... |
14:43:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | wpyh: I'll take a peek, I guess. ;) |
14:43:22 | Arwulf | just saying hello, as suggested by the wiki registration page |
14:43:26 | gevaerts | wpyh: actually, I disagree with rasher's comment :) |
14:43:41 | markun | Arwulf: you want write access? |
14:43:49 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: I'm not sure (that's why I haven't commented on it) but wouldn't it break other displays? Thinking of type 0 ones with the older firmware |
14:44:07 | Arwulf | yes please. I fixed a theme to work with the current build and I would like to upload it. |
14:44:16 | markun | What's your wiki name? |
14:44:22 | Arwulf | WolfAlcourt |
14:44:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: I made mention of that on the Flyspray post. |
14:45:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | I just want to see if people can help test the patch. |
14:45:22 | markun | Arwulf: done |
14:45:47 | Arwulf | markun: many thanks |
14:45:48 | markun | although the wiki account doesn't seem to exist |
14:45:58 | wpyh | :) |
14:46:12 | wpyh | gevaerts: uh? |
14:46:13 | Arwulf | markun: my bad, I havent activated it yet... |
14:46:25 | markun | well, when you do you will have write access :) |
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14:46:34 | Arwulf | thanks! |
14:46:44 | gevaerts | wpyh: if there is a compiler in my PATH, that's because I want it to be there... |
14:47:04 | * | wpyh is confused |
14:47:10 | * | wpyh thinks both sides have good arguments |
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14:48:26 | wpyh | sadly components in PATH doesn't have an age |
14:48:46 | wpyh | i.e. whether they are there because of a "PATH=... make" or because it's system wide |
14:49:32 | wpyh | but if you really want to use a specific compiler, you can always edit ~/.config/rockbox.org/RockboxCompilerPrefix :) |
14:49:43 | gevaerts | Yes, but that's global again |
14:49:46 | wpyh | therefore prepending the path is a better idea than appending it |
14:50:05 | wpyh | gevaerts: that's not global −− that's local to your account, and to the specific make/configure invocation |
14:50:32 | gevaerts | wpyh: it's just as global as all my other environment settings |
14:50:58 | * | gevaerts thinks that prepending a PATH should only be done if that is the _only_ way to make something work |
14:51:16 | kugel | JdGordon: ping |
14:51:41 | wpyh | yes, it's at the same level as the other preference settings, but the difference is: it's only picked up when we compile rockbox, since other projects won't read ~/.config/rockbox.org/RockboxCompilerPath |
14:51:56 | wpyh | Well, I do feel that prepending the PATH is a brute-force fix |
14:51:59 | JdGordon | kugel: bleh |
14:52:12 | kugel | JdGordon: does the patch still not work for you? |
14:52:20 | wpyh | well, send your comments in ;) |
14:52:35 | JdGordon | havnt tested yet.. been busy |
14:52:51 | wpyh | I think prepending is better than appending, but I'm mostly impartial on this issue |
14:53:07 | JdGordon | kugel: I did have some questions about it though.... why should the bmp always be only as big as half the screen height? imo thats wrong |
14:53:36 | kugel | JdGordon: "always" means when resizing is enabled in the options |
14:53:56 | JdGordon | im tlaking about the max sixe defines at the top |
14:54:05 | kugel | disabling resiting results in unaltered cover arts |
14:54:18 | kugel | resizing* |
14:54:37 | kugel | JdGordon: What size are you thinking of? |
14:55:29 | kugel | In the previous patch I had another size (for each 100px height 50px cover height, e.g. 100 for e200) |
14:55:29 | JdGordon | well... with the old patch, if the screen was larger than 100x100 it would use 100x100.... with your change, a screen of greater than 100x100 will use 50x50...(ish) |
14:55:45 | JdGordon | whats the tracker number? |
14:55:52 | kugel | ? |
14:56:21 | kugel | still 8335 |
14:56:30 | gevaerts | wpyh: since your patch actually doesn't create this RockboxCompilerPrefix file, I won't complain either way. Nothing will change for me anyway |
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14:57:22 | JdGordon | kugel: im talking about the PREFERRED_IMG_HEIGHT define |
14:57:24 | wpyh | gevaerts: great :) at least no veto from the devs yet (although no one seems to like it very much...) |
14:57:32 | kugel | JdGordon: I know |
14:57:50 | * | GodEater doesn't want anything fiddling with his PATH |
14:58:11 | * | LambdaCalculus37 doesn't want to, either |
14:58:17 | * | gevaerts is proud of his PATH |
14:58:33 | kugel | JdGordon: i think, now as smooth scaling is in svn, we can use more flexible art sizes for picture flow to use the screen better |
14:58:42 | GodEater | /me is a follower of the light PATH |
14:58:49 | JdGordon | well... i dont really mind lcd_height/2 but it should be always minimum of 50x50 (if the screen is beig enough)... also its possible than height/2 is bigger than width which will cause problems |
14:59:06 | * | wpyh hopes that doesn't mean a veto |
14:59:29 | wpyh | guys, gevaerts pointed out that the patch doesn't create the ~/.config/rockbox.org/RockboxCompilerPrefix file ;) |
14:59:37 | kugel | JdGordon: height/2 bigger than width? I highly doubt that'll happen |
14:59:38 | JdGordon | veto? we arnt a democracy that has such a thing.... |
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15:00:09 | wpyh | JdGordon: I thought a veto is only available in a semi-democratic societies? |
15:00:26 | * | wpyh remembers reading the thread about deciding on the name "Rockbox" :) |
15:00:29 | JdGordon | well... yes.. but we arnt that also :p |
15:00:34 | kugel | that'd mean a producer chooses to use a aspect ratio of >=2:1 for the screen. Very unlikely |
15:00:40 | JdGordon | thats why we have so many open patches/requests still |
15:00:47 | gevaerts | wpyh: actually, could you make the contents of RockboxCompilerPrefix something like 'prefix=/whatever', so that it could contain other settings as well ? If you do this, better do it in a future-proof way |
15:01:01 | GodEater | Rockbox is now, always has been, and always will be - a dictatorship |
15:01:19 | JdGordon | GodEater: with 84 dictators? |
15:01:24 | GodEater | yes :) |
15:01:28 | gevaerts | The only problem is that nobody knows who the dictator is :) |
15:02:00 | wpyh | gevaerts: sure... |
15:02:38 | wpyh | GodEater: I can see that :p |
15:02:40 | kugel | JdGordon: I don't understand this: 50x50 (if the screen is beig enough). What would you prefer now? I mean, a screen with less than 100px height should use 50x50 but only if the screen is big enough?? |
15:03:31 | wpyh | gevaerts: I'll need to think about it |
15:03:38 | JdGordon | kugel: a screen thats 75x75 should use 50x50... a screen that 120x120 should use 100x100... not 60x60... |
15:04:14 | kugel | JdGordon: and a screen with 128x96 (we have such one afaik)? |
15:04:33 | JdGordon | 75x75? |
15:04:41 | wpyh | kugel: if we get RB on the T60, then we will get a 128x64 screen :p |
15:04:41 | kugel | but I see, you basically want to fill the screen even more with the art |
15:05:14 | kugel | the problem I see is though, that the covers at the side possibly aren't viewable then |
15:05:34 | JdGordon | ah yes.. forgot about them... |
15:05:37 | JdGordon | I'd be inclined to actually leave it as it is |
15:05:56 | kugel | JdGordon: well I didn't :p |
15:06:15 | JdGordon | well thats a shame :p |
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15:06:41 | d34df00d | Hi there! |
15:07:08 | d34df00d | Would you characterize the state of Creative ZV:M port as usable for everyday use? |
15:07:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nope. |
15:07:33 | kugel | JdGordon: I just choosed /2 now, because we don't really need to use "round"(e.g. multiples of 25) sizes with smooth scaling |
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15:07:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | There's no sound output, and installation requires you to rip open your ZVM. |
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15:08:09 | d34df00d | LambdaCalculus37: hm, that's not "usable" I think. |
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15:08:28 | d34df00d | And which player with big hard drive (>= 60 GB) would you recommend except for iPod? |
15:08:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | With a less violent method of installation? :) |
15:08:57 | d34df00d | I've seen the page on rockbox.org, but devices recommended there aren't available. |
15:09:00 | d34df00d | LambdaCalculus37: yep :) |
15:09:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | A Gigabeat F. |
15:09:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | You can easily put a larger hard drive into one. |
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15:09:58 | d34df00d | LambdaCalculus37: seems like it's not available at all in a country where I live. |
15:11:31 | d34df00d | And rockbox doesn't work on ipod classic, right? |
15:11:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | You can also try for an iriver H100 or H300 series. |
15:11:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | No. |
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15:13:31 | d34df00d | All players available here are either small 4-8GB flash stuff or huge multimedia centers :( |
15:14:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | eBay! |
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15:16:06 | d34df00d | LambdaCalculus37: eh, it would take too long. |
15:16:16 | d34df00d | Maybe I should just replace the HDD in my almost dead iPod... |
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15:20:59 | wpyh | d34df00d: which ipod do you own? |
15:21:15 | d34df00d | wpyh: 80GB 5.5. |
15:22:31 | wpyh | great |
15:22:49 | wpyh | you can use a cf card to substitute the hdd, as I did with mine |
15:23:09 | wpyh | the problem with me is that I now have a useless hdd lying around |
15:23:21 | d34df00d | wpyh: it would work without any additional magic? |
15:23:34 | wpyh | yes |
15:23:46 | wpyh | the only problem is that you need to look for a compatible cf card |
15:24:13 | d34df00d | wpyh: how would I now if a given card is compatible? |
15:24:28 | wpyh | here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CFModGuide |
15:24:33 | d34df00d | wpyh: and why you replaced the HDD? |
15:24:49 | wpyh | look at the Compatibility Chart and Incompatibility Chart |
15:25:00 | wpyh | I replaced the hdd because I didn't like a moving part :p |
15:25:14 | d34df00d | wpyh: and where are you located? |
15:25:21 | d34df00d | If you're near me, I'd buy it :) |
15:25:29 | wpyh | d34df00d: well, I'm in China... |
15:25:44 | d34df00d | wpyh: quite far... I'm in Russia. |
15:26:07 | d34df00d | 32 GB isn't enough for all my music collection, I'd like to keep it all there. |
15:26:10 | wpyh | not so near :p |
15:26:32 | wpyh | 32GB _isn't_ enough? |
15:26:46 | * | wpyh is using a 8 GB cf card right now |
15:27:06 | d34df00d | wpyh: yes, it isn't. I've got 45 GB of almost continiously growing collection :) |
15:27:14 | wpyh | wow :p |
15:27:43 | d34df00d | wpyh: my friends think it's quite small collection. Some of them have got about 500 GB :) |
15:27:45 | GodEater | 32GB isn't enough for mine either |
15:27:52 | pixelma | that number doesn't mean much, it also depends on file type and bitrates... |
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15:27:57 | GodEater | LOTS of people have huge music collections |
15:28:02 | * | wpyh thinks pixelma has a point |
15:28:10 | GodEater | and if you prefer flac (or some other lossless format) you need oodles of space |
15:28:12 | d34df00d | About 6000 tracks, almost all are mp3/256, some are flac. |
15:28:25 | d34df00d | I consider converting flac to ogg/256. |
15:28:29 | wpyh | 6000 tracks −− now that's a lot :p |
15:28:47 | markun | d34df00d, wpyh: maybe something for #rockbox-community? |
15:28:57 | wpyh | markun: yeah... |
15:29:03 | d34df00d | markun: you mean, it's offtopic? |
15:29:06 | wpyh | let's move to #rockbox-community ;) |
15:29:07 | * | GodEater has 5969 tracks currently |
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15:30:17 | d34df00d | Rockbox's HDD is 50, 40 or 44 pin? |
15:30:58 | wpyh | d34df00d: it depends on the device |
15:31:27 | d34df00d | Damn. |
15:31:34 | d34df00d | s/Rockbox/iPod 80GB/ |
15:31:52 | wpyh | oh |
15:31:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | iPod videos uses ZIF. |
15:31:56 | wpyh | it's a ZIF |
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15:32:27 | d34df00d | wpyh: LambdaCalculus37: thanks. |
15:35:31 | d34df00d | Transcend TS32GCF133 would do for the iPod 5.5G? I don't see it in either chart. |
15:35:43 | d34df00d | But similar card for 8 GB doesn't work... Hm... |
15:36:39 | wpyh | yeah, the transcend card doesn't work |
15:36:42 | wpyh | try an apacer instead |
15:36:52 | wpyh | it's only a little bit more expensive than the transcend |
15:37:12 | * | d34df00d checks if it's available.. |
15:39:14 | d34df00d | It isn't but my friend has got a dead ipod 5.5g 80 gb with hdd in perfect shape. |
15:39:29 | d34df00d | That's inexpressible :) |
15:39:51 | wpyh | how do you know it's dead? |
15:40:44 | d34df00d | I've just talked with him (friend, not ipod). |
15:41:13 | d34df00d | The board is somehow corrupted, and hdd is checked and error-free. |
15:41:22 | merbzt | talking to the ipod would have been so much cooler |
15:42:41 | wpyh | um... |
15:42:46 | wpyh | corrupted? |
15:42:51 | * | wpyh has an idea ;) |
15:43:09 | wpyh | d34df00d: install RB on it and convince him that only RB can work on it! ;) |
15:43:30 | d34df00d | wpyh: yes, some stuff with circuitry. I don't know details is I have little knowledge in this area :) |
15:43:41 | d34df00d | wpyh: it doesn't even boot in disk mode :) |
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15:45:43 | wpyh | how did it get broken? |
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15:47:42 | d34df00d | wpyh: don't know... |
15:47:58 | d34df00d | I'd ask on this week as we meet and reinstall the HDD to my ipod. |
15:47:58 | wpyh | well :p |
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20:38:47 | Synthrebe | hello |
20:38:51 | Synthrebe | i have a question |
20:39:08 | Synthrebe | i got my sansa e280 today |
20:39:23 | Synthrebe | where is usb msc setting? cant reach it in settings |
20:39:47 | bluebrother | is your sansa a v1? And if yes, what version is the firmware? |
20:40:10 | Synthrebe | sansa v3.01.11e |
20:40:10 | gevaerts | And if unsure, what version is the firmware? |
20:40:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | That's a v2. Rockbox will not run on it. |
20:40:21 | bluebrother | there was at least one (the latest? Not sure) that doesn't have the MSC setting anymore. In that case you'd need to downgrade the firmware |
20:40:24 | Synthrebe | damn |
20:40:33 | bluebrother | ... and LambdaCalculus37 beat me with the v2 ;-) |
20:40:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | ;) |
20:40:41 | Synthrebe | is downgrading possible? |
20:40:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nope. |
20:41:15 | bluebrother | the v2 is completely different hardware. |
20:41:17 | Synthrebe | damn i thought rocbox worked on all kinds of e sansa |
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20:41:33 | bluebrother | no. The frontpage clearly states "not v2 models" |
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20:41:41 | Synthrebe | oh |
20:41:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | And we have no idea when a version for the v2 hardware will be released. |
20:42:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | Right now, no one is really working on it. |
20:42:12 | Synthrebe | meaning never |
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20:42:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | No, meaning "just not right now, until someone steps up and starts doing the work". |
20:42:35 | bluebrother | well, some investigation has been made. Check the New Ports forums. |
20:42:48 | Synthrebe | well this trash sansa is gonna get it then. |
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20:42:58 | iamben | i heard Synthrebe has one, maybe he can work on it |
20:42:58 | * | Synthrebe gets a hammer |
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20:43:54 | bluebrother | hmm, bootloader uninstallation hangs when there are insufficient permissions −− at least on linux for e200 |
20:44:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | Synthrebe: You know, iamben has a point. |
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20:45:04 | iamben | i wish i could but im stuck with this old v1 e280 |
20:45:22 | Synthrebe | there are 2 e280? |
20:45:43 | iamben | i think mine is about a year old |
20:46:05 | Synthrebe | 8 gb? |
20:46:30 | iamben | yes |
20:46:39 | Synthrebe | 8gb here too |
20:46:42 | Synthrebe | no fm |
20:47:09 | Synthrebe | i need to downgrade sansa firmware since nothing works |
20:47:10 | gevaerts | v1 and v2 have the same basic characteristics, but they use different chips to achieve those |
20:47:15 | Synthrebe | it wont even show up on pc |
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20:48:15 | Synthrebe | well im this close to trashing this player with a hammer |
20:49:57 | scorche|sh | Synthrebe: dont do that... |
20:50:23 | Synthrebe | why? nothing works plug in to USB nothing shows up in my computer |
20:50:43 | scorche|sh | because a developer might want it? |
20:50:44 | Synthrebe | thats prolly why rockbox can't be installed |
20:50:57 | bluebrother | you can always donate the player to someone interested in working on the port ... |
20:50:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | No, that's not the reason. |
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20:51:36 | Synthrebe | ehmm borrow it out till ports done? |
20:51:44 | Synthrebe | since im short of cash |
20:52:01 | Synthrebe | some idiots stole my old rockboxed e260 (i still suffer) |
20:52:02 | bluebrother | "since ports done" could be a long time. |
20:54:20 | kugel | yay, site's back again! |
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20:56:57 | Synthrebe | yea but if a dev would like to borrow it till a beta's out im all for it |
20:57:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Beta? We do betas? I thought we just did daily and SVN builds. ;) |
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21:01:20 | Synthrebe | ok then a build then |
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21:03:41 | Synthrebe | hmm how lovely , i just got myself a wortless device |
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21:04:57 | Synthrebe | what happends if i try to downgrade btw? |
21:05:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nothing will happen. |
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21:05:16 | scorche|sh | Synthrebe: the issue is the hardware...not necessarily the firmware |
21:05:46 | scorche|sh | Synthrebe: the v2 versions have a different range of version numbers, so that is how we tell |
21:06:12 | Synthrebe | they exchanged some chips? |
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21:07:31 | scorche|sh | it is a good deal more than that, but sure |
21:08:11 | Synthrebe | i got a feeling rockbox consumed less battery power too |
21:09:54 | Synthrebe | i'll see maybe i can turn it in as defective |
21:10:36 | Synthrebe | since it never shows up |
21:12:06 | bluebrother | well, if it's MTP you need WMP10 or something like that speaking MTP |
21:13:00 | Synthrebe | Media Transfer Protocol sucks |
21:13:40 | * | LambdaCalculus37 directs Synthrebe to #rockbox-moan-and-groan |
21:13:47 | crzyboyster | Anyone know why this WPS is breaking? > http://pastebin.ca/1056617 |
21:14:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | crzyboyster: You saw that conditional viewports were committed on Monday, correct? |
21:14:28 | Synthrebe | thats it im sending it back to store and get money back |
21:14:44 | crzyboyster | Yes |
21:15:01 | Synthrebe | if that wont work im gonna practice my hammer over it |
21:15:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | There's some info here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17348.0 |
21:16:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | Synthrebe: Stop talking about violence against DAPs. If your Sansa is not working for you, then you should ask somewhere else for assistance, like the Anythingbutipod forums. |
21:17:02 | crzyboyster | If there are too many images in a theme buffer, will the theme break completely? |
21:17:09 | Synthrebe | I will , thx for info guys im outta here |
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21:17:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | crzyboyster: To be honest, JdGordon is really the man to talk to. |
21:17:54 | PaulJam | crzyboyster: the "%m|16|" from line 48 has to go |
21:18:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | PaulJam: Ahh, thanks for covering! ;) |
21:19:10 | crzyboyster | Thanks, guys! |
21:22:24 | crzyboyster | What exactly was that "%m|16|" ? Was that some old code? |
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21:23:37 | PaulJam | a 16 pixel margin, but the same can now be archieved with viewports. |
21:24:06 | crzyboyster | Cool |
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21:26:52 | crzyboyster | And will the multifont patch be committed anytime soon? |
21:28:12 | amiconn | Do I just need to run rockboxdev.sh in order to get the full set of crosscompilers built? |
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21:30:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Yep. Just ask it to build all of them. |
21:31:48 | phixxor | hey I'm about to buy an mp3 player to use rockbox on −− I'm just wondering if you have any recommendations concerning audio quality, space, or available codecs for any models |
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21:32:20 | phixxor | like which mp3 players have the best line out sound quality and can play flac |
21:32:28 | phixxor | with decent amount of storage space |
21:32:33 | domonoky | phixxor: take a look at : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=BuyersGuide |
21:32:39 | phixxor | thanks :) |
21:34:06 | PaulJam | for line out quality the h100 would probably win, beacuse it has a S/PDIF line out. |
21:35:14 | phixxor | thanks :) |
21:35:26 | phixxor | hopefully this will be how I listen to music in the car |
21:35:35 | phixxor | plug it into the car stereo somehow |
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21:52:59 | phixxor | hmm h100s don't seem to be readily available |
21:53:02 | phixxor | at least not on amazon |
21:54:00 | PaulJam | none of the targets rockbox runs on are in production. try ebay. |
21:54:21 | phixxor | thanks |
21:55:03 | gevaerts | Also don't search for h100, that's the generic name for the series. Try h120, h140, ihp120 or ihp140 |
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21:59:08 | phixxor | I guess the easiest thing would be if I had bought one when they were available |
21:59:36 | goffa | just curious.. how long have these keymaps been available? |
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21:59:39 | goffa | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17771 |
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22:00:31 | pixelma | ages |
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22:05:54 | BigBambi | pixelma: speaking of keymaps, I still think you should commit your c200 changes :) |
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22:06:39 | Llorean | Maybe we should discuss keymap policy/theory at DevCon |
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22:08:09 | pixelma | BigBambi: thanks for your opinion, I'll keep that in mind |
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22:08:30 | Llorean | pixelma: Just for the record, I haven't tried your patch, but read the description and it makes sense. |
22:08:58 | BigBambi | The c200 keymap as it is confused the hell out of me when I first tried to use it |
22:09:06 | BigBambi | The patch makes it *much* better |
22:09:53 | silo | Good evening, I'd like to request write permission to the Wiki and I believe this is the place to request it :) |
22:10:02 | BigBambi | silo: What is your wiki name? |
22:10:08 | pixelma | I'm still not satisfied with the virtual keyboard and the recording screen keymap updates might have a problem in case there will be a "normal" menu one day |
22:10:09 | silo | SiloSpen |
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22:11:18 | Llorean | pixelma: The recording screen needs a pretty big rework in general, though, I think. It and the FM screen don't work like the rest of Rockbox in my opinion. Most of the trends for controls last even in plugins more or less, but often not in those. |
22:11:22 | BigBambi | silo: Out of interest, what are you looking to modify? |
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22:12:19 | SiloSpen | BigBambi: I'd like to investigate the possibility of a rockbox port to the Sandisk Sansa Express. The info page doesn't contain the PCB images located in the ABI forums and so I'd like to start there |
22:12:26 | BigBambi | SiloSpen: cool |
22:13:00 | BigBambi | SiloSpen: OK, done - promise not to spam! |
22:13:03 | SiloSpen | My gut instinct tells me it's probably not going to come to fruition, but it's worth a try :) |
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22:13:18 | SiloSpen | Thanks a lot BigBambi. And I promise! |
22:13:26 | BigBambi | Cool, have fun :) |
22:14:00 | Llorean | Have we identified the Express' chipset yet? |
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22:14:43 | SiloSpen | STMP3600 is the chipset, I believe |
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22:15:01 | SiloSpen | Unless I'm getting confused between my chips |
22:15:08 | * | Zagor ponders if he'll be able to give away his TraxAudio mStation this year. Any takers? :) |
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22:16:06 | * | Bagder watches silence ;-) |
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22:16:26 | * | BigBambi doesn't even know what that is :) |
22:16:33 | pixelma | was that the car radio? |
22:16:51 | Zagor | yeah. also known as SSI Neo-35: http://www.ssiamerica.com/products/neo35/ |
22:17:20 | Zagor | runs "openneo", which is an old rockbox fork |
22:17:49 | Zagor | (can run, I haven't actually installed it) |
22:19:17 | Zagor | I bought the thing years ago to make proper rockbox run on it, but in the end I couldn't be bothered... |
22:19:44 | amiconn | Might be quite difficult, actually |
22:19:53 | amiconn | The thing only has 256KB RAM iirc |
22:20:40 | Bagder | right, but with a spinning hard disk :-) |
22:20:42 | Zagor | yep, but it also never spins down so it only needs a very small buffer. |
22:20:57 | amiconn | I'm more concerned about rockbox itself |
22:20:58 | goffa | ack.. phone... |
22:21:15 | amiconn | It probably needs cutting quite some stuff |
22:21:33 | Zagor | amiconn: well this was a long time ago |
22:21:37 | goffa | was going to ask if i needed fs8396 |
22:21:43 | amiconn | What features does it have? Just playback? And what kind of display? |
22:21:56 | goffa | since long/short right was already there |
22:22:07 | goffa | or am i missing something |
22:22:21 | Zagor | amiconn: playback only, charcell display |
22:22:37 | amiconn | Hmm, so it should be similar to the Player |
22:23:10 | Zagor | yes, it's pretty much identical. the biggest difference is the ram and the 4-line display |
22:23:13 | amiconn | MAS3507 + DAC3550? |
22:23:16 | Zagor | yup |
22:23:19 | goffa | i love that patch.. would love to see it in the main tree |
22:23:39 | Zagor | ...and different buttons of course |
22:23:43 | amiconn | Making voice work might be somewhat challenging |
22:23:52 | goffa | totally solves the "handing the player to an idiot" problem :) |
22:23:55 | amiconn | Maybe loading clips individually |
22:24:11 | LTourist | markun, if you still here, i'll appreciate if you can send me what you've already did on the simulator and target tree for example, even if it's wrong... It's just to see and to make the environnement more familiar ;) |
22:24:52 | HAMAN | hey guys, sorry for askin this here, off topic, but anyone know how i can get data (music) off of a vista hd thats pluged into an xp sys. ? i tried lookin all over, not finding anything |
22:25:18 | * | amiconn wonders how they're doing 2 minutes anti-shock with just 256KB ram |
22:25:25 | amiconn | That can't be right... |
22:25:34 | Llorean | HAMAN: Do not ask off-topic questions in here. |
22:25:52 | phixxor | alright, I'm kind of confused −− what is the difference between a regular headphone jack and the outputs the iriver h100 series provides |
22:26:15 | Zagor | amiconn: where does it say that? |
22:26:18 | Llorean | phixxor: In terms of physical shape, signal, or what? |
22:26:24 | amiconn | http://www.ssiamerica.com/products/neo35/specification.shtml |
22:26:30 | phixxor | shape and quality |
22:26:34 | phixxor | and what you can use it with |
22:26:35 | bluebrother | phixxor: speaking about line out or phone out? |
22:26:45 | phixxor | line out I think |
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22:26:49 | gevaerts | phixxor: the h100 has a regular headphone jack, regular line in and line out (same jack as the headphone), and optical digital line in and out |
22:26:51 | phixxor | I don't know anything about phone out |
22:26:56 | HAMAN | bah |
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22:27:30 | Zagor | amiconn: that page also says "Built-in 1MB Buffer" |
22:27:32 | phixxor | so if I had a device with a digital optical line in, I could use the h100 |
22:27:39 | amiconn | Building all crosscompilers on the VM took 50 minutes... |
22:27:41 | phixxor | otherwise it would be useless to me |
22:27:47 | phixxor | ? |
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22:28:13 | Llorean | phixxor: It has a standard headphone jack |
22:28:20 | phixxor | right |
22:28:26 | Zagor | anyway, I guess it stays in the trash bin :) |
22:28:50 | Llorean | It also has a port that is the same shape as a standard headphone jack, but is designed to be fed into a line in, expecting different resistance. This jack also doubles as an optical jack for if you have something with an optical input. |
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22:29:07 | phixxor | ah, thanks! that makes sense |
22:29:33 | phixxor | do you know offhand the types of devices with optical input? |
22:29:41 | Llorean | There are loads. |
22:30:07 | bluebrother | and the headphone out has a special extension to plug the remote. But you can still plug in a standard 3.5mm jack |
22:30:08 | phixxor | computers, car stereos, what :) |
22:30:08 | Llorean | It's a common output/input in home theatre gear. |
22:30:14 | phixxor | ah |
22:30:30 | Llorean | As well, many modern computer sound cards have some form of digital audio jack. If not optical usually a small converter will work. |
22:31:17 | Llorean | the advantage of it is that the signal is digital, so you're not degrading sound quality over that part of the signal path, and can have a higher quality DAC do the conversion to analog at the other end. |
22:31:34 | phixxor | yeah :) |
22:31:42 | phixxor | if I'm going to be using flacs with this |
22:31:58 | phixxor | I don't want to use an analog connection if I can avoid it |
22:32:23 | phixxor | the only problem is the only thing that seems to have this is the h100 |
22:32:35 | phixxor | and there aren't many left :P |
22:32:42 | phixxor | (with rockbox) |
22:33:21 | amiconn | Hmm, rockboxdev.sh doesn't clean up after building :/ |
22:33:30 | Llorean | Yes, unfortunately most MP3 players are portable, and designed to interact with portable hardware. They expect you to buy a set-top box or similar for that sort of thing |
22:33:30 | goffa | lol.. i just sold mine 2 months ago for $100 |
22:33:40 | Bagder | amiconn: no, that's on purpose |
22:33:41 | goffa | was to a friend though... |
22:33:42 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
22:33:46 | amiconn | why? |
22:33:50 | Bagder | for debugging, or additional stuff or whatever |
22:34:02 | phixxor | yea |
22:34:02 | goffa | h140 that is |
22:34:11 | amiconn | Imho it'd make sense to clean up if everything went ok |
22:34:14 | phixxor | wish I had cool firends |
22:34:17 | phixxor | lol |
22:34:17 | Bagder | but I guess we know it works by now ;-) |
22:34:35 | Bagder | phixxor: hey, we all do. That's why we hang out here ;-P |
22:34:44 | phixxor | lol |
22:35:22 | phixxor | so if I could get an h100 and a digital line in car stereo, I could have digital audio in my car |
22:35:25 | phixxor | that would be good |
22:36:08 | gevaerts | That would basically be the best you can get, yes |
22:36:43 | Llorean | FLAC digitally into a digital line in on the player should be bit identical, in theory, to having the original CD in the player. |
22:36:56 | Llorean | Of course, the H120 can carry a lot more CDs than the average car stereo, at least |
22:37:04 | goffa | possibly better if you get native 24/96 flacs |
22:37:22 | goffa | which are rare, but some exist |
22:37:22 | phixxor | how are those different from normal flacs |
22:37:30 | Llorean | goffa: Uhm, I said "original CD".... native 24/96 flacs didn't come from an original Cd. |
22:37:56 | SiloSpen | Evidently I have a lot of stuff to read, however the new port page worries me a little. Tracing with multimeters and hardware emulators? Is that necessary on such a small device? |
22:38:04 | Llorean | phixxor: He just means if you have FLACs of a higher quality audio source than standard CD audio. |
22:38:07 | goffa | yeah.. i know they didn't.. but you can have "better than cd" |
22:38:26 | gevaerts | SiloSpen: that depends. If you're lucky it isn't needed |
22:38:38 | Llorean | SiloSpen: Why would the size of the device matter as to whether the information needs to be known? |
22:38:41 | goffa | well.. assuming you can find any.. i think flac.sourceforge.net used to have some links |
22:38:41 | phixxor | that would be cool though |
22:39:02 | SiloSpen | Well, lets hope I'm lucky :) |
22:39:33 | bluebrother | Bagder: maybe make rockboxdev.sh accept a "clean up" switch? |
22:39:55 | Bagder | yeah, or possibly even a question |
22:40:15 | goffa | of course.. doubt you could hear the difference in a car |
22:40:18 | phixxor | I was thinking about looking for a car stereo that reads dvds and flacs |
22:40:21 | SiloSpen | Llorean: As a novice to the game, this may be entirely incorrect. However, it seems to me that the smaller the device is, the more integrated into a single chip the electronics are. If that's true then the less worrying about connections needs to be done |
22:40:25 | phixxor | but if it exists it's rare |
22:40:43 | phixxor | dap would be easier than disks anyway |
22:41:13 | goffa | phixxor: 2 players are listed here: http://flac.sourceforge.net/links.html for car stereo that is |
22:41:26 | goffa | nice to see they gave a mention to rockbox on daps too |
22:41:28 | phixxor | yeah looked at that, one's russian and the other is discontinued :) |
22:42:00 | goffa | yeah.. aux in is much easier to come by |
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22:42:06 | goffa | thats the route i went |
22:43:29 | Llorean | SiloSpen: There's some logic to that, but unless it eliminates hardware external to the SoC entirely, other issues than the size of the player will determine whether tracing is needed. |
22:44:01 | goffa | funny flac is what turned me to rockbox.. now i don't use flac on the dap |
22:44:28 | goffa | well.. flac and musepack |
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22:45:06 | SiloSpen | That makes sense, Llorean. Thanks for the explanation :) |
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22:45:33 | Llorean | SiloSpen: Still, as gevaerts said you can get lucky and not need any. |
22:45:58 | SiloSpen | Well, I'll find out tomorrow when I get started on this thing. Thanks again to everyone for being so helpful. |
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22:48:20 | markun | LTourist: can it wait till after the weekend? |
22:48:37 | markun | I need to get my tree in sync but I'm busy packing for the trip tomorrow |
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22:50:09 | LTourist | yeah, sure, no problem ^^ |
22:50:16 | LTourist | I'm just curious |
22:50:48 | LTourist | by the way, I just remember something... The m6 use a 90 flipped screen |
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22:51:32 | crzyboyster | I'm trying to make my WPS work like cabbiev2 with viewports. Basically, I want the text to be centered when there is no album art and when there is, it should be right aligned. Here's my code > http://pastebin.ca/1056687 |
22:51:50 | LTourist | I don't know If you know what I mean : that's why you need to rotate video when transfering to the m6. I hope this would not be a major problem when the driver will be coded |
22:52:27 | Bagder | LTourist: you mean the OF shows it rotated or that the screen is actually physically rotated? |
22:53:20 | LTourist | I don't really know... |
22:54:12 | Bagder | LTourist: as long as we figure out how to program the lcd controller, the rotation doesn't really matter but is just for us to decide on |
22:55:11 | LTourist | can you explain "just for us to decide on" ? Sometimes, I have some lacks in my english comprehension (and expression too ^^ ) |
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22:55:43 | markun | LTourist: we will use the display as 320x240, even if it's 240x320 |
22:56:31 | crzyboyster | It shows fine when there is album art, but when there is no album art available, all of the viewport conditional text doesn't appear. Any idea why? |
22:56:46 | markun | LTourist: the Gigabeat has a 240x320 screen for example, but we display videos rotated. Works fine. |
22:57:43 | LTourist | markun : ok ok ^^ Thanks for these precisions :) |
22:57:49 | PaulJam | crzyboyster: a "%" is missing in line 27. |
22:58:20 | markun | gevaerts: I packed my Autobahn CD of course :) Which ones are you brining? |
22:58:29 | markun | oops, wrong channel |
22:59:06 | crzyboyster | You're a genius, PaulJam! |
22:59:08 | LTourist | I would really help rockbox making the m6 port or other stuff, but I'm affraid that I don't have the required skills to do this... |
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23:13:34 | markun | LTourist: there are always things to do lateron |
23:13:34 | pareidolia | Hi all |
23:13:38 | markun | hi pareidolia |
23:13:52 | pareidolia | Anyone here using Rockbox on a 3rd gen iPod ? |
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23:16:31 | LTourist | markun : but I think that could be interessting to code some drivers or stuff like that, even more when I would make embedded developpement my work... |
23:17:41 | markun | btw, someone sent me a driver for the touchpad |
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23:18:22 | LTourist | that a great news!!! the tp/sp one or the sl? (qt411 or qt1106) |
23:18:37 | markun | let me check :) |
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23:18:48 | markun | 1106 |
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23:19:32 | markun | very simple driver, used for linux I think. but saves us some work. |
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23:19:57 | LTourist | ok, when you'll send me all the stuff, don't forget to include this too, I'll try to read and understand most of code I can. It would be great if I could at least understand how the whole thing works :) |
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23:21:11 | LTourist | I'm looking at the gigabeat lcd driver at the moment : that's not so hard to understand, but I can't figure how can it be possible to code this from the datasheet ^^ |
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23:28:12 | Bagder | GodEater: you still here? |
23:29:13 | * | Bagder will get back tomorrow instead |
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23:31:37 | pixelma | nice typing while crawling ;) |
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23:32:41 | BdN3504 | hey guys i have a question concerning wps |
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23:35:08 | BdN3504 | i want to use the conditional albumart command as follows: |
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