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00:56:06 | B4gder | maybe that countdown link in the topic could be removed now... |
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00:57:00 | scorche|sh | ;) |
00:57:05 | B4gder | haha |
00:57:17 | scorche|sh | i didnt hear you laugh! |
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01:15:45 | Nico_P | hi devcon people! |
01:16:37 | scorche|sh | there are 4 of us hiding behind the camera too! =) |
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01:17:23 | Nico_P | is there some sort of who's who? |
01:18:17 | Llorean | I'm that one. |
01:19:17 | * | Nico_P thinks gevaerts could probably create a successful programming language |
01:19:35 | * | Domonoky is one of those hiding from the cam :-) |
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01:25:53 | Zagor | *finally* svn browser works again. if you see a python developer around. SHOOT HIM! |
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01:28:56 | MarcGuay | If anyone's looking for annoying syntactical arguments to discuss: Choosing a universal spelling of Ipod/iPod/iriver/Iriver and naming of the Quick Menu/Quick Screen. |
01:33:29 | bluebrother | Zagor: what have they done this time? |
01:33:43 | * | bluebrother has a bad experience trying to upgrade a local trac installation on w32 today |
01:33:53 | Zagor | bluebrother: added code in /var/lib |
01:34:33 | bluebrother | urgh |
01:39:11 | BigBambi | MarcGuay: I thought the Ipod/Iriver capitalisation style was already decided on? |
01:40:34 | MarcGuay | BigBambi: I think I missed that one. It personally drives me nuts to the point where I don't think I can type it in the manual. |
01:41:02 | BigBambi | I was sure that it is on a manual wiki page somewhere to use Iriver/Ipod etc. |
01:41:13 | MarcGuay | I'm not terribly interested in talking about it, though, if that's the decision I'll try to abide. |
01:41:29 | BigBambi | i.e. we use proper English and ignore silly manufacturer capitalisation |
01:42:00 | MarcGuay | Capitalism isn't part of proper English? |
01:42:01 | LinusN | yeah, proper english words, like "ipod" and "iriver" :-P |
01:42:24 | BigBambi | I didn't have any input to this, I'm just reporting what I remember |
01:42:26 | MarcGuay | It looks weird to me every time I see it, tis all. |
01:42:27 | LinusN | and "color sound" :-) |
01:42:33 | BigBambi | LinusN: colour :) |
01:42:46 | LinusN | :-P |
01:43:03 | MarcGuay | LinusN: The brand name ViewSonic has always made me laugh. |
01:43:06 | LinusN | tell that to cowon |
01:43:17 | LinusN | :-) |
01:43:19 | MarcGuay | LSD not included. |
01:43:27 | MarcGuay | "I can feeeel the colours!" |
01:45:11 | BigBambi | MarcGuay: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LatexGuidelines#Names |
01:46:13 | * | MarcGuay fights the urge to argue and thanks BigBambi for the info. |
01:46:49 | BigBambi | Personally, I couldn't care less either way |
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01:52:44 | bluebrother | "'lil Monsta" is also ... funny. |
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01:56:25 | bluebrother | I just downloaded some voices for windows (Sam, Mary etc.) and got a bunch of .msm files. |
01:56:31 | bluebrother | where do I need to put them? |
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02:10:45 | XavierGr | ah! goodnight guys |
02:11:00 | XavierGr | first day just ended it seems :( |
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03:22:33 | enix` | does anyone know about the difference between the sansa v2 and v1? |
03:23:13 | advcomp2019 | different hardware |
03:23:42 | enix` | is the v2 the rhapsody compatable model? |
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03:25:05 | krazykit | no |
03:25:19 | advcomp2019 | there is e200 and e200r that work.. the e200r is the rhapsody model |
03:25:45 | enix` | mkay, so are there any outwards differences between v2 and v1? |
03:25:57 | MarcGuay | enix`: Sadly, no. |
03:26:12 | enix` | sucks XD |
03:26:43 | MarcGuay | Is there even such a thing as a e200R v2? |
03:26:50 | enix` | wonder if there would be any chance of rockbox being ported to the v2 model |
03:27:00 | MarcGuay | enix`: Follow the thread in the forums. |
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03:27:09 | enix` | got a link handy? |
03:27:33 | advcomp2019 | MarcGuay, not sure right now |
03:27:44 | MarcGuay | enix`: Nope. |
03:28:10 | enix` | :S |
03:28:12 | enix` | k :p |
03:28:13 | MarcGuay | advcomp2019: Are they still selling/manufacturing a Rhapsody model? |
03:28:17 | advcomp2019 | enix`, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.0 |
03:28:27 | enix` | thanks ^_^ |
03:29:03 | advcomp2019 | MarcGuay, nope because the way it sounds the v2's has rhapsody built in |
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04:03:03 | crzyboyster | I was just reading this ( http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevConEuro2008#Agenda ) and found out that they will be considering to get rid of DOOM and rockboy! I am totally against that! |
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04:26:35 | MarcGuay | crzyboyster: I think it was discussed already today and they've agreed to that proposal. Ask scorche about it. |
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05:01:19 | MarcGuay | Is there any reason the A button is used to clear settings on the Gigabeat instead of the Hold switch? |
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05:05:01 | MarcGuay | I'm also confused but the lack of this feature on some iPods (the nano, for instance). The manual says to have the hold switch activated, but that caused disk mode to boot, and it isn't if'ed in the code... |
05:07:24 | MarcGuay | Wouldn't it make more sense to have the hold switches defined the same way as buttons and simply create a RESET_SETTINGS variable? Or is it too early in the boot for such things? |
05:09:55 | MarcGuay | Anybody around with a Gigabeat F? |
05:10:32 | krazykit | yes |
05:11:07 | MarcGuay | krazykit: What happens if you flip the hold switch after turning it on? |
05:11:31 | MarcGuay | krazykit: Can you think of a reason it doesn't reset the settings like other targets? |
05:12:20 | krazykit | nothing happens, and i can't think of a reason |
05:12:39 | MarcGuay | krazykit: Thanks... It's impossible on the nano. |
05:12:54 | MarcGuay | * Correcting myself from earlier: It doesn't boot into disk mode, it boots into the OF. |
05:13:24 | krazykit | and by "nothing happens" i mean it just boots into rockbox like normal |
05:15:58 | MarcGuay | Found the reason: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6876. |
05:18:24 | krazykit | so can you not distinguish between the two hold switches? |
05:18:52 | MarcGuay | krazykit: Either that or it was a lazy fix. I'm going to look into it. |
05:19:58 | MarcGuay | Sorry, wait, I misunderstood. What do you mean? |
05:20:14 | MarcGuay | Beer + Anything = What? |
05:22:46 | MarcGuay | krazykit: There's a note in the GB button-target saying that "We cannot tell if the hold is asserted on the remote." |
05:24:15 | krazykit | ah, that's a shame |
05:24:18 | MarcGuay | So the problem is that the ipods have neither a record button or a usable hold switch for this function. |
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05:45:13 | MarcGuay | It appears to be impossible to reset settings on targets: that don't have a record button || !gigabeat || !ipod4g || !h10. Which I guess leaves the other ipods, mrobe100, archos player... |
05:45:21 | MarcGuay | But is the problem in the manual or in the code? |
05:46:11 | MarcGuay | * reset setting _on boot_, that is |
05:47:22 | * | MarcGuay noticed that the manual/platform/ipodnano.tex has IPOD_4G_PAD defined.... |
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06:05:23 | MarcGuay | I guess they're all essentially the same... |
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06:13:14 | MarcGuay | Okay, wow, figured it out. If you wait until the backlight comes on and _then_ flip the hold switch, the settings are reset. It's rather tricky though, given that it does something completely different if done a second earlier. |
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06:44:44 | voltagex | hdd spins up, battery should be fine, hdd connection is fine |
06:46:02 | voltagex | ...and now it works again |
06:49:07 | voltagex | what on earth? |
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07:12:43 | SilverDawn | Hey all, I was wondering since theres no rockbox for the ipod nano video if there was any software you could use to sync it that isnt as big of a pig as itunes.. |
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08:33:32 | Jackal47 | anyone know what to do when the ipodpatcher for bootloader can't find your ipod? |
08:34:06 | Jackal47 | i connected it but it says no ipods found |
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08:35:14 | advcomp2019 | what ipod? |
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08:35:31 | Jackal47 | 5th gen 80 gb |
08:35:44 | advcomp2019 | are you sure? |
08:35:44 | andy3gi | i need sum help |
08:35:54 | Jackal47 | yea |
08:36:21 | advcomp2019 | Jackal47, are you sure it is not a 6th gen |
08:36:28 | advcomp2019 | andy3gi, ask |
08:36:35 | andy3gi | I have installed alot of themes on my ipod video but i can nevr get the WPS to work |
08:36:53 | andy3gi | i just get the backdrop |
08:37:18 | advcomp2019 | some of the themes might be broken |
08:37:40 | Jackal47 | wait nvm i think your right. it is 6th |
08:38:15 | andy3gi | is thee any working themes you would recommend me to try out |
08:38:22 | andy3gi | for 5g ipod |
08:38:45 | advcomp2019 | andy3gi, i do not have an ipod so i do not know what ones work or not |
08:38:56 | andy3gi | thanks |
08:39:45 | Jackal47 | is there any firmware for 6th gen? |
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08:40:51 | advcomp2019 | Jackal47, nope because it is new hardware and encrypted firmware(from what i read) |
08:41:42 | Jackal47 | ok tyvm for the help |
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10:20:58 | jimmio | Hello all, I'm having an issue with RockBox installed on my iPod Video (5th gen, 30 Gig)... I connect it to my PC, it shows a USB connector icon on the iPod then restarts into disk mode. Disk mode disconnects after a little and I can't get my important files off my iPod |
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10:22:51 | jimmio | nevermind that... I just connected it while it was off and got the Apple firmware loaded somehow... |
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10:34:34 | Llorean | Good morning from DevConEuro2008 |
10:34:54 | JdGordon | morning |
10:35:08 | JdGordon | were you guys waiting for markun for breaky? |
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10:35:20 | Llorean | I don't know. |
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10:35:54 | JdGordon | ok... anyway.... sometime during the day can you guys have a chat about a proper response to my email on the commy ml? |
10:36:10 | * | JdGordon hops saratoga watches that list also |
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10:40:35 | jimmio | can anyone tell me a possible reason I get an error everytime I go to transfer a file from my iPod? |
10:42:24 | * | gevaerts gets out his crystal ball to find out what error this could possibly be |
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10:44:33 | jimmio | I forget, let me do it again |
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10:45:14 | jimmio | shouldn't RockBox be handling the file transfer? |
10:45:33 | JdGordon | no... |
10:45:38 | jimmio | everytime I connect it it attempts to install RockBox Music Player drivers... |
10:45:45 | jimmio | then fails as the device restarts |
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10:47:12 | jimmio | "Cannot copy My Music: The parameter is incorrect. |
10:48:11 | jimmio | maybe the harddrive is failing? If so, would debug mode say? |
10:50:44 | jimmio | I tried running a setup program from the iPod... I get this error: Only part of a ReadProcessMemory or WriteProcessMemory request was completed. |
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10:54:30 | rockboxlover | hello all |
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10:59:17 | jimmio | anyone have a clue why I can no longer get anything off my iPod now that I installed RockBox? |
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11:03:37 | leftright | JdGordon: morning, according to Llorean I have hardware issues with my H140's joystick, I dont think so. Would it be possible to compile a build for with a greater delay in the left to root joystick action, please |
11:03:54 | leftright | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9123 has more info regarding this issue |
11:04:19 | JdGordon | probably... but im not sure what youd need to change to do it |
11:05:24 | leftright | heck I would be happy if you disabled it for me, as I dont use that feature and somehow I have a really annoying habit of landing up in root when I browse my music |
11:06:26 | JdGordon | its easy to disable |
11:06:42 | leftright | that appeals to me |
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11:08:54 | JdGordon | comment out any line that has ACTION_TREE_ROOT_INIT in apps/keymaps/keymap-h1x0_h3x0.c |
11:09:42 | leftright | thank you for the info, |
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11:14:13 | LinusN | leftright: come to devcon and i'll fix it for you :-) |
11:14:34 | leftright | he, I'm very tempted LInus, morning |
11:14:45 | leftright | *Linus |
11:16:02 | leftright | it must be the way I gently left or right click the joystick which activates the root command |
11:16:16 | jimmio | anyone have a clue?... I had iPod linux on it a while ago... completely reformatted, many times in fact.... and once I installed RockBox I can't get my files off it... anyone have any clue as to what I can do?... Other than reformat... |
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11:17:46 | advcomp2019 | gevaerts, hows that usb on the PP players issue that i remembered going |
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11:21:00 | jimmio | seems the problem was solved by restarting my PC.... which makes no sense to me... but... |
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11:21:12 | gevaerts | advcomp2019: I've been doing some experiments yesterday, but there's not much progress yet |
11:21:38 | jimmio | more than 50% through a 3 gig file, so I guess it works now... thanks to anyone who was going to help =P |
11:21:52 | B4gder | http://pastebin.com/m19bbe555 |
11:22:30 | advcomp2019 | gevaerts, shoot.. i hope you figure it out |
11:22:57 | jimmio | nevermind *sigh*... still doing it... anyone have any ideas? |
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11:24:31 | stripwax | jimmio - sorry, I didn't understand the question. You want to copy files *off* your dap, by formatting it? |
11:25:25 | stripwax | are you running the Original Firmware when you connect your ipod to your PC, or are you running Rockbox when it's connected via USB? |
11:25:37 | stripwax | If the latter, try rebooting into the apple firmware and see if that works for you |
11:26:00 | stripwax | e.g. Disk Mode |
11:26:05 | scorche|sh | in other words, try using the original firmware rather than apple's disk mode |
11:26:44 | jimmio | neither work... |
11:27:14 | jimmio | firmware diskmode doesn't work... RockBox diskmode fails.... Apple diskmode fails |
11:27:18 | scorche|sh | then it is either something wrong with your computer, the cable, or your ipod...however none of those are rockbox |
11:27:36 | scorche|sh | jimmio: it isnt Rockbox diskmode...it is Apple's diskmode...no Rockbox code is running at that point |
11:27:55 | jimmio | I am using a 3rd party USB cable, so that *could* be the issue |
11:28:07 | jimmio | but it was working fine before I installed RockBox to it... |
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11:28:31 | scorche|sh | that is likely a coincidence...as i said, no Rockbox code is running at that point |
11:29:56 | jimmio | hmmm |
11:31:12 | jimmio | explorer window showing files on drive frozen... |
11:31:24 | jimmio | then errored again with "The parameter is incorrect" |
11:32:51 | scorche|sh | jimmio: maybe you gould try a general ipod help sort of channel/forum? |
11:33:13 | jimmio | cable is bad... I just wiggled it a bit and it opened a thing asking what to do with the files on the drive... |
11:33:20 | gevaerts | http://fotos.gevaerts.be/main.php?g2_itemId=51588 :) |
11:33:31 | jimmio | so... back to radioshack I guess.... Thanks everyone |
11:34:07 | advcomp2019 | nice, gevaerts |
11:34:31 | * | B4gder coughs only a bit |
11:34:46 | gevaerts | Actually markun's work |
11:35:14 | advcomp2019 | o ok then pass it to markun then |
11:35:19 | * | B4gder suggests we schedule a talk session starting 12:00 CEST |
11:35:25 | B4gder | that's in 25 mins |
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11:35:41 | Llorean | I agree |
11:36:08 | scorche|sh | works for me |
11:36:09 | Llorean | B4gder: Do any of these issues have priority, or should we just work that out at the beginning of the talking? |
11:36:12 | B4gder | here's my rearranged list => http://pastebin.com/m19bbe555 |
11:36:25 | B4gder | I think we take that when we start |
11:36:51 | B4gder | the order in my file isn't in any particular prio |
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11:37:56 | scorche|sh | have we given a copy to amiconn to use the copy machine a bit for all of us yet? |
11:40:08 | petur | video of devcon will find a spot at http://www.dailymotion.com/group/RockboxDevcon2008 (one is underway...) |
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11:42:49 | jimmio | cyclic redundancy check is newest error... |
11:42:58 | * | wpyh just saw the Meizu M6 photo... |
11:43:02 | jimmio | trying a format..., losing files, not caring |
11:43:33 | markun | wpyh: it's just the "Loading....." string which I edited in the firmware to make sure there is no checksum in there |
11:43:50 | MU{lappy} | jimmio: something corrupted, probably? CRCs are generally used to verify that data has not been corrupted/altered |
11:44:25 | jimmio | formatting drive like I said =P I'll report what I get when it's done |
11:44:27 | wpyh | markun: knew that ;) |
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11:44:46 | wpyh | I think most samsung firmware have no checksum |
11:44:55 | wpyh | for example, the iriver t-series also don't have checksum |
11:45:07 | PaulJam_ | just to throw in my (uninmprotant) opinion about removing DOOM and rockboy: i'm against removing them. |
11:45:27 | B4gder | me too |
11:45:55 | markun | wpyh: you didn't find a way to access the DFU mode in the irivers, did you? |
11:46:11 | wpyh | markun: no, I didn't :( |
11:46:23 | jimmio | I missed DOOM on my iPod? wow... I'm against removal of it too! Once I can get my iPod itself working that is =P |
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11:48:49 | jimmio | It's formatting fine so far.... so I guess the file was corrupt? |
11:51:19 | petur | more devcon pics online.... |
11:53:53 | * | wpyh goes to dinner |
11:55:05 | PaulJam | btw, thanks for the illustration of the crossfade options in the manual (i never really understood the exact meaning of the delay settings). |
11:56:11 | pixelma | thank bascule :) |
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12:01:52 | * | petur has some problems getting the movie to show up in the correct group, for now, here's the url of the (short) movie... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5xwqm_devcon-movie-1_tech |
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12:09:19 | scorche|sh | meeting time..you can tune into the video stream to hear |
12:11:27 | * | petur is recording with proper equipment for future reference.... |
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12:34:27 | Llorean | Hi, this is Llorean. If/when you have a comment for us DevConners in general, highlight this nick and I'll try to pass it on |
12:34:29 | Llorean | Oops |
12:34:31 | Llorean | Wrong window |
12:34:39 | DevCon2008 | Hi, this is Llorean. If/when you have a comment for us DevConners in general, highlight this nick and I'll try to pass it on |
12:34:40 | JdGordon | Llorean: no, we should be in here... |
12:34:41 | scorche|sh | well...or me ;) |
12:34:50 | scorche|sh | oh..meh |
12:34:51 | * | JdGordon shushes.. |
12:36:45 | JdGordon | DevCon2008: metronome is the only plugin which PLA really breaks isnt it? |
12:36:52 | DevCon2008 | While we're here, anyone think of any *MAJOR* bugs they think should get in the way of a release? Things that prevent regular use of the player. |
12:37:09 | Llorean | JdGordon: It has caused problems with overlapping keys in other ones. |
12:37:10 | JdGordon | only wierd playback/list bugs |
12:37:15 | DevCon2008 | That's on the list. |
12:39:01 | JdGordon | NO FREEZE! |
12:39:10 | JdGordon | branch and freze on th ebrnahc |
12:39:13 | JdGordon | branch |
12:39:40 | JdGordon | its not that bad... |
12:39:54 | petur | nice typo ;) |
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12:40:08 | BigBambi | JdGordon: It is all relative - for you, not too bad :P |
12:40:20 | JdGordon | meh |
12:41:24 | * | JdGordon is off |
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12:42:33 | BigBambi | yes |
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13:02:03 | BigBambi | All commiters at least |
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13:20:58 | BigBambi | For me, once I know which button is which, I would like the functions on that button to be consistent |
13:27:54 | B4gder | amen |
13:29:32 | DevCon2008 | And that's why all the keymap changes I made have been made. :) |
13:29:42 | DevCon2008 | Er, Llorean made perhaps. :-P |
13:29:49 | BigBambi | DevCon2008: Yeah, I posted the patch for the gigabeat change :) |
13:29:57 | scorche|sh | dont you have both clients open? |
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13:36:07 | BigBambi | OR from the filebrowser if you add files to it |
13:36:13 | BigBambi | Bookmarks that is |
13:36:28 | Llorean | Yes |
13:44:20 | kugel | interesting topic now |
13:44:38 | BigBambi | gpl version :) |
13:44:44 | BigBambi | Or am I lagging again :) |
13:44:52 | kugel | probably |
13:45:00 | BigBambi | [/joke] |
13:45:10 | kugel | oh |
13:45:21 | BigBambi | GPL version discussion was about an hour ago |
13:45:26 | bluebrother | gpl has been discussed quite a while ago ... |
13:45:40 | kugel | and what came out? |
13:45:59 | scorche|sh | wait for the podcast or pay closer attention ;) |
13:46:27 | kugel | well, I was "breakfasting" an hour ago |
13:46:34 | bluebrother | we're podcasting? Uuuh, should watch my words closely ;-) |
13:46:44 | scorche|sh | well, look at petur |
13:46:49 | BigBambi | bluebrother: I'm sure there can be some judicious editing :) |
13:47:09 | petur | eh? |
13:47:19 | bluebrother | remove all but the Rockbox jingle at the beginning? |
13:47:34 | BigBambi | petur: You are recording, and I assume the implication was to produce an editied podcast |
13:47:38 | Nico_P | do you guys have sound on the live feed? |
13:47:42 | BigBambi | Nico_P: yes |
13:47:42 | B4gder | yes |
13:47:45 | petur | ah right |
13:47:54 | B4gder | we even save the stream... |
13:47:59 | B4gder | I hope |
13:48:03 | BigBambi | :) |
13:48:07 | scorche|sh | Nico_P: where were you when we were discussing playback? ;) |
13:48:10 | Nico_P | ah, reloading the page helped |
13:48:22 | BigBambi | Nico_P: You were assigned some jobs :) |
13:48:25 | Nico_P | scorche|sh: sleeping, probably :) |
13:48:32 | * | scorche|sh tsks |
13:49:02 | * | Nico_P hopes he will be able to do the jobs |
13:49:22 | Nico_P | was a relase/freeze date discussed? |
13:49:52 | scorche|sh | it was |
13:50:07 | scorche|sh | mainly that it will be decided when you fix the playback bugs ;) |
13:50:22 | Nico_P | oh... no pressure then :p |
13:50:27 | scorche|sh | nope...none at all |
13:51:05 | B4gder | but we're waiting... |
13:51:15 | B4gder | :-] |
13:51:42 | scorche|sh | that emoticon actually represents you quite well... |
13:52:43 | Nico_P | unfortunately RL is quite busy currently... I'm doing an internship with no access to external SVN. The evenings I don't have much coding time because my gf lives with me (plus, the internet link is crappy) |
13:53:36 | Nico_P | I'm moving soon, so hopefully the internet will get better, and my gf won't be living with me for all the "holiday" (she leaves on july 12th) |
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14:00:05 | kugel | "what about pluginlib action?" "we should commit more plugins" :) |
14:00:18 | scorche|sh | no...that isnt pluginlib |
14:00:24 | scorche|sh | *action |
14:04:46 | B4gder | http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/519641 |
14:04:57 | B4gder | almost two hours of recording |
14:05:08 | B4gder | experience it all again! |
14:05:11 | * | BigBambi just went away - are you stopping for a break? |
14:05:15 | B4gder | yes |
14:05:21 | BigBambi | any time set? |
14:05:35 | BigBambi | for restarting that is |
14:05:54 | B4gder | not yet, there's no real hurry |
14:05:55 | kugel | B4gder: What time is the gpl discussion at? |
14:06:06 | scorche|sh | kugel: search... |
14:06:11 | BigBambi | B4gder: sure, I only ask as I'd like to be around but not sit here waiting :) |
14:06:12 | B4gder | uh perhaps 1h in or so |
14:06:13 | scorche|sh | just skip a bit |
14:06:23 | B4gder | the 3.0 discussion took 55mins |
14:06:27 | B4gder | roughly |
14:07:08 | kugel | uh |
14:10:12 | Zagor | LinusN: http://bjorn.haxx.se/fixed.ttf |
14:17:17 | B4gder | BigBambi: we'll record that session too |
14:17:40 | Llorean | BigBambi: The next session probably won't be quite as interesting. |
14:18:43 | Llorean | BigBambi: If we stick to the list, it's this page, from "ONLINE" onward http://pastebin.com/m19bbe555 |
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14:22:32 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/06/28/rockbox-devcon-discussion-recorded/ |
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14:28:33 | bluebrother | Zagor: td>h1 { border-bottom:1px solid black; } |
14:28:44 | bluebrother | put it directly in the css file and it works for me |
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14:30:33 | syn4pse | i am trying to implement a patch that makes a call to lcd_setmargins(). This function seems to be deprecated. Is there an equivalent? |
14:30:47 | DevCon2008 | Use viewports. |
14:30:53 | Llorean | Augh |
14:30:55 | Llorean | Use viewports. |
14:30:59 | * | Llorean glares at the other window |
14:30:59 | syn4pse | gotcha |
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14:31:05 | syn4pse | that bad, eh? |
14:31:08 | Llorean | It's not needed for the time being. |
14:31:15 | syn4pse | ok |
14:31:50 | Llorean | Margins are deprecated, though. Viewports handle things more widely |
14:32:46 | * | LinusN wishes the iriver engineers had used their brains when designing the h300 |
14:32:58 | Zagor | bluebrother: but td>h1 will apply to all h1. all h1 are within a td |
14:33:09 | B4gder | LinusN: using brain is sooo 1990s |
14:33:12 | Zagor | can I use twikitable>h1 ? |
14:34:02 | bluebrother | try td.twikitable>h1 |
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14:34:44 | bluebrother | grrr. My local test looks differently between firefox and konqueror :( |
14:35:00 | Zagor | perhaps that's why my opera doesn't display iy |
14:35:35 | Zagor | no, it doesn't show in firefox either |
14:36:48 | bluebrother | would be much easier if those elements had a class or name :( |
14:37:29 | Zagor | indeed |
14:38:04 | Zagor | I'll be upgrading twiki "soon". perhaps the new version is more flexible in this regard. |
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14:41:23 | bluebrother | just had it hacked in and I like it much better with lines ... |
14:42:56 | bluebrother | at least the removed top line makes it nicer. |
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14:54:36 | Zagor | bluebrother: so how did you do that works? |
14:55:38 | Zagor | line on all h1? |
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14:56:46 | bluebrother | Zagor: td h1{ border-bottom: 1px solid black; } |
14:57:02 | bluebrother | that will make all h1 elements inside of a td having the line |
14:57:41 | bluebrother | still trying if it's possible to use a named element on that cascading ... so far no luck |
14:58:47 | Zagor | yeah I need it more specific than that |
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15:00:10 | bluebrother | hmm. Couldn't you simply add the additional CSS only if the page is generated by twiki? |
15:00:33 | bluebrother | i.e. add another <style> in the template? Or doesn't that work with the template? |
15:02:50 | Zagor | yeah that's an option. but I would prefer to keep all styles in one file. can we perhaps use a div or span around the table/cell? |
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15:06:25 | mcuelenaere | Could someone help me finding this bug in http://pastebin.com/d1beb8dd5 ? It is supposed to be hidden in merge_hxf() and for some reason it doesn't do what the code says it should do (adding the readed binary after the fileheader; line 176) |
15:08:12 | bluebrother | I don't think you're allowed to put a div around <td> elements (i.e. between <tr> and <td>) |
15:08:28 | Zagor | I can do it around the entire table |
15:09:25 | bluebrother | hmm. Not sure if that will work. The table already is named |
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15:09:54 | Llorean | mcuelenaere: What does it do instead? |
15:10:34 | mcuelenaere | Llorean: it corrupts the file |
15:10:39 | mcuelenaere | but I think I found some bug at least |
15:10:43 | mcuelenaere | I forgot some fseek()'s |
15:13:17 | Llorean | preglow: Present, by chance? |
15:13:56 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2008/meeting1.mp3 |
15:14:03 | B4gder | 146MB recording by Petur |
15:15:54 | Zagor | bluebrother: well I can name a div, the table or the td. surely one of those has to work? |
15:15:56 | * | petur excuses for the fact that the first part is actually using internal mic and has bad quality |
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15:16:40 | roolku | B4gder: are you going to add the links to the video and audio recordings to the index http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2008/ ? |
15:17:08 | Zagor | roolku: I'm doing it now |
15:17:19 | B4gder | I'm delegating ;-) |
15:17:28 | roolku | :) |
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15:21:52 | bluebrother | B4gder: what latex distribution is installed on the server? TeXlive? |
15:22:53 | B4gder | yes |
15:25:37 | MarcGuay | Any thoughts on the fact that the ipods use the hold switch for both dual-boot and reset-settings? The timing is terribly close. |
15:26:09 | scorche|sh | it is really simple to just say "flip hold on *immediately* after hitting the button to turn it on |
15:26:36 | * | bluebrother would like hold to prevent entering usb mode |
15:26:37 | MarcGuay | scorche: and to reset settings? |
15:27:10 | scorche|sh | what would you suggest instead? |
15:27:47 | Llorean | Isn't the problem in terms of what we can detect? |
15:28:02 | scorche|sh | yes...i am not sure what else we can do |
15:28:04 | * | gevaerts thinks that bluebrother should just commit :) |
15:28:08 | Llorean | Like, if you were holding a button when leaving the bootloader, it wouldn't detect it, but it would detect hold? |
15:28:15 | MarcGuay | scorche: Another button, if it's possible. I've seen notes about the Menu key being used previously... And also, as Llorean stated, early detection issues... |
15:28:17 | Llorean | Meanwhile, Hold is definitely the easiest option for OF booting? |
15:28:48 | scorche|sh | well, the issue with the button is that you need to hold your finger quite still...it can be hard for some to trigger it |
15:28:50 | PaulJam_ | Llorean: the resetting happens after the bootloader, so it should be possible to detect all buttons. |
15:28:55 | Llorean | bluebrother: I personally think the hold switch should only, ever, affect what button presses do. I'm kinda dubious even on the issue of backlight being controlled by it. |
15:29:26 | Llorean | PaulJam_: You missed what I said. It's not whether they can be detected in the bootloader, but whether they can be detected if you start holding them during the bootloader, and continue doing so after you leave it. |
15:29:35 | Llorean | But i'm not sure if i'm right about that |
15:29:51 | PaulJam_ | Llorean: ah ok, sorry. |
15:29:58 | Llorean | I just seem to remember there being some exceedingly practical reason why Hold was the only option for clearing that could be reasonably used |
15:31:22 | bluebrother | users shouldn't boot the OF anyway ;-) |
15:31:30 | MarcGuay | Some targets don't even have a clear-settings-on-boot option, correct? (Archos player?) |
15:31:47 | Llorean | Well, the hold-switch method is only on the iPod I think. |
15:32:01 | Llorean | Other ones, clear is held by a more basic "press this button while booting" method |
15:32:08 | MarcGuay | Llorean: And the H10, me thinks. Others use the REC button if they have one. |
15:32:13 | bluebrother | but now, as we have settings-in-a-file for quite some while now that functionality could also get removed, couldn't it? |
15:32:23 | Llorean | Possibly |
15:32:25 | bluebrother | you should always be able to connect to a PC and delete that file |
15:32:25 | * | MarcGuay spent way too much time looking at main.c last night. |
15:32:34 | Llorean | Unless a setting is preventing booting due to some bug |
15:32:43 | bluebrother | drawback is that you can't do this in all occations. Like when travelling |
15:32:45 | Llorean | Or for example, trying to resume something not there and causing a crash |
15:32:53 | MarcGuay | bluebrother: If you're on the move it's handy to have the capability on-target. |
15:32:58 | Llorean | Now... |
15:33:01 | * | bluebrother is fighting css :o |
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15:33:07 | Llorean | Bootloader USB mode would help this, since it'd always be available |
15:33:14 | Llorean | Also, if you made the settings clear in the BOOTLOADER rather than the build... |
15:33:25 | Llorean | Since it's in a file now, the bootloader can just remove config.cfg |
15:33:35 | Llorean | Possibly a settings clear on boot should also remove fixed.cfg |
15:34:24 | bluebrother | I had bootloader usb mode on my mini for quite a while now. Unfortunately I accidentally overwrote that bootloader yesterday |
15:34:48 | Llorean | But bootloader USB mode is needed if the settings clear is removed from the build, for "worst case" situations. |
15:34:52 | Llorean | OR settings clear in the bootloader |
15:34:55 | Llorean | Or very possibly, both. :) |
15:36:10 | * | bluebrother wonders if dimming the sansas scroll ring would be possible |
15:36:39 | PaulJam_ | wouldn't this contradict the philisophy of letting the bootloader only do what is absolutely neccessary? |
15:36:41 | pixelma | bluebrother: I believe there was a patch in the tracker for it that uses PWM |
15:36:43 | Llorean | It's been done in a patch, bluebrother, I think |
15:37:04 | bluebrother | nice. Should search for that |
15:37:14 | bluebrother | PaulJam_: I think so. |
15:37:17 | Llorean | PaulJam_: You need a clear definition of "necessary" though |
15:37:20 | scorche|sh | PaulJam_: yes...that is what i was bringing up |
15:37:59 | scorche|sh | i dont think the bootloader should really be doing things besides what is necessary to boot on load (hence the name) |
15:38:09 | scorche|sh | errr...load on boot |
15:40:14 | Zagor | lunch |
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15:43:37 | Tyro | hello |
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15:44:26 | Tyro | can somebody help me with rockbox for the ipod photo plz? |
15:44:43 | avis | i was wondering if anyone could tell me how long a hard drive in a ipod 4th gen 20gb might last ? |
15:44:57 | MarcGuay | Tyro: Explain what you've done so far, where you're stuck, etc. |
15:45:25 | MarcGuay | avis: It depends on usage. If you drop it, it might not last 10 seconds. |
15:45:58 | avis | MarcGuay, are they all like that ? are hard drive mp3 players really delicate ? |
15:46:34 | advcomp2019 | avis, there is even flash based ones |
15:46:36 | MarcGuay | avis: They're all basically the same. And because they have moving parts (unlike flash), they can be pretty fragile, yes. |
15:46:51 | Bger | avis : it also depends on whether the disk is spinning reading etc in the moment the unit faces the ground ... |
15:46:55 | avis | thank you |
15:46:57 | avis | ok |
15:47:44 | Bger | mine has survived 2 drops on the pavement (from a belt height) |
15:47:52 | avis | what mp3 player would you guys recommend ? i had gotten a gigabeat a long time ago, i sold it though because i did not like the controls on it. other than gigabeat, whats a good one? |
15:48:44 | advcomp2019 | avis, depends on what you need |
15:48:46 | PaulJam_ | avis: you should look at the BuyersGuide wikipage. |
15:48:54 | avis | ok |
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15:51:25 | xqtftqx | Guys, Ive Edited the Gigabeat S firmware upgrader and changed it to mostly english |
15:51:34 | xqtftqx | if anybodys intrested i can give you the li k |
15:51:41 | xqtftqx | link* |
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15:54:48 | xqtftqx | I have to go, if anybody wants the link, http://sites.google.com/site/xqtftqxssite/projects |
15:55:32 | MarcGuay | The Boxes theme is broken on the Nano. |
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15:56:06 | Tyro | so okay, i have installed rockbox on my ipod photo... it runs but ther a lot of color mistakes.. somebody an idea to fix it? |
15:56:40 | MarcGuay | Tyro: It's a known bug that's being worked on. |
15:56:51 | xqtftqx | Theres a build that fixes i think |
15:57:02 | BigBambi | sort |
15:57:05 | BigBambi | of |
15:57:21 | Tyro | i have saw an youtube video where it runs perfect |
15:57:32 | BigBambi | Tyro: there are different hardware revisions |
15:57:37 | stripwax | Tyro - I thought that the patch has already been committed? |
15:57:45 | BigBambi | stripwax: nope |
15:57:55 | stripwax | oh.. |
15:58:12 | BigBambi | Tyro: The problm is fixing it properly - the issue is known, and how to fix it, but no-one has done it |
15:58:17 | Tyro | where i can get this patch? |
15:58:28 | Tyro | okay.. |
15:58:30 | Tyro | :o( |
15:58:48 | BigBambi | Tyro: either from flyspray (patches link on the left of www.rockbox.org), or look for the forum threD |
15:58:52 | BigBambi | *thread |
15:59:12 | BigBambi | stripwax: amiconn commited some ipl code blind, but it wasn't the answer |
15:59:41 | xqtftqx | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7135.0 |
15:59:53 | xqtftqx | What version of apple firmware are you using? |
15:59:55 | BigBambi | stripwax: IIUC, there is an endianess switch that the init code needs to be corrected for, which means dissasembling a certain OF firmware version to find it |
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16:01:06 | BigBambi | stripwax: It was discussed briefly in the devcon meting today :) |
16:01:25 | Nico_P | which FS bug report corresponds to "playlist skipping songs"? is it FS #8977? |
16:01:34 | xqtftqx | oh, that was today? |
16:02:05 | BigBambi | xqtftqx: yesterday till tomorrow |
16:02:10 | stripwax | xqtftqx - that's an ancient forum thread, so only about one-third of the story :) |
16:02:27 | xqtftqx | Oh Cool |
16:02:40 | xqtftqx | Any Big Plans, BigBambi? |
16:03:08 | BigBambi | xqtftqx: Not off the top of my head, but the recording is available and I'm sure someone will write a little summary |
16:03:28 | xqtftqx | Oh, wheres the recording? |
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16:04:11 | BigBambi | xqtftqx: The link is in the logs somewhere I think |
16:04:25 | BigBambi | ah, and bagder's blog |
16:04:27 | xqtftqx | K thanks |
16:04:31 | BigBambi | daniel.haxx.se/blog |
16:04:39 | xqtftqx | Thanks |
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16:06:26 | xqtftqx | BigBambi: Did you see the link i did above? The Moded Gigabeat Updater |
16:06:42 | BigBambi | yes, but I'm not about to download and run a random .exe |
16:07:01 | xqtftqx | Yeah I know, i was afraid of that |
16:07:04 | BigBambi | besides which, it isn't much use on linux |
16:07:39 | xqtftqx | Yeah, but it was edited because everybody is saying theres no "easy" install on windows |
16:08:08 | xqtftqx | Cool, The Rockbox Dev Is Live? |
16:08:11 | JdGordon | Llorean: has anyone done a highlights summary from the discussion yet? or wait for that later? |
16:08:17 | xqtftqx | You can watch it live |
16:08:41 | Nico_P | JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2008/ has a short summary |
16:09:33 | BigBambi | Nico_P: very short indeed |
16:10:00 | BigBambi | xqtftqx: yes, and recorded too |
16:10:04 | MarcGuay | Discussion time is here: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/519641. |
16:10:06 | JdGordon | (re menus) "Basically these are never-ending issues that we delegate to the RSB." <- thats a cop out answer.... |
16:10:20 | xqtftqx | "Plugins lingering in the tracker" |
16:10:24 | xqtftqx | I like that one :) |
16:10:38 | * | JdGordon also |
16:10:46 | JdGordon | but im too lazy to make sure they are commitable |
16:10:58 | xqtftqx | :p |
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16:13:11 | xqtftqx | Xqtftqx thinks this is gonna be a good summer for rockbox |
16:14:02 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: Looks like the Boxes theme is broken on the nano... Possibly condition viewports/%m related? |
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16:16:02 | JdGordon | MarcGuay: yes, pixelma mentioned it and was nice enough to ignore my request to tracker it so I owuldnt forget... ill look at it tomorw (if i remember) |
16:16:34 | avis | anyone use rockbox on a ipod videos ? controls ok on that unit ? |
16:16:58 | BigBambi | avis: I think so yes, but it is of course personal preference |
16:17:12 | avis | thank you. |
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16:18:45 | MarcGuay | Llorean, scorche: I build a version for the Nano which checked for the menu button instead of the hold switch and it didn't work... But what I did find (and verified with a clean build) is that holding the Menu button from the off position will boot the OF. |
16:18:50 | MarcGuay | *built |
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16:23:38 | MarcGuay | Seems as though the ipod bootloader checks for the Menu key as well as the Hold switch... |
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16:43:02 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Yes. |
16:43:07 | Llorean | The Menu key was the old way |
16:43:13 | Llorean | Hold was added, rather than replacing the old way. |
16:43:25 | Llorean | Hold was added because Menu worked, but was unreliable for all users. |
16:43:33 | MarcGuay | Llorean: So it's at least possible to check the menu button... Ah... |
16:44:10 | Llorean | You can check any button in the bootloader |
16:44:27 | Llorean | The problem, iiuc, is that if you're holding it down already in the bootloader, when the main firmware boots it won't get detected. |
16:44:37 | Llorean | So to use something other than hold would require someone press it *after* the bootloader is left. |
16:44:43 | Llorean | For iPod at least |
16:44:47 | Llorean | It's not true everywhere, iiuc. |
16:45:02 | B4gder | 30 viewers |
16:45:08 | B4gder | of nothing! |
16:45:19 | * | JdGordon wonders how the heck he broke the peakmeters |
16:45:35 | Bger | DevConf people: regarding pluginlib actions: what about 6 keys (i mean, what's happening with the 'quit' ?) |
16:46:10 | * | petur wonders that too while looking at the code |
16:46:22 | JdGordon | petur: your sure its 17763? |
16:46:28 | petur | 101% |
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16:47:09 | Llorean | Bger: Harder to standardize. Every player, being a music player, needs basic navigation and selection. There's no guarantee, though, that every player will have a single key suitable for "quit" in the same way (for some it may require toggling the hold switch, for example) |
16:47:32 | Llorean | Besides, they're all going to need *some* customization anyway |
16:47:59 | Bger | Llorean, yeah, that's true, but it would be good to have a 'standard' key or combo for exiting from every plugin... |
16:48:16 | Llorean | Yeah, agreed on that |
16:48:18 | MarcGuay | Llorean: I build with SETTINGS_RESET on the play button and can't get it to be recognized. Looks like this is the only way. |
16:48:36 | Llorean | Bger: There's no reason we can't encourage people to use it though |
16:48:40 | Llorean | A standard key, that is |
16:48:45 | MarcGuay | I'm just going to document the timing. |
16:48:47 | Bger | yep :) |
16:48:55 | Llorean | MarcGuay: There's probably a VERY small time period to press it. :) |
16:48:55 | pixelma | JdGordon: I didn't put it in the tracker because I thought of fixing it myself - it just looks like you pasted the complete cabbiev2 code into boxes (for the nano) |
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16:49:09 | JdGordon | acidental save-as... |
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16:49:34 | pixelma | ah, so do you want to fix it? |
16:50:04 | JdGordon | not tonight... |
16:50:11 | pixelma | ok |
16:51:56 | JdGordon | haha... who said "yeah but thats just bugs"... re PLA? |
16:52:01 | Nico_P | to DevConners:what do you guys think of possibly creating code docs with doxygen? I think it hasn't been brought up in a long time and IMHO it could be pretty useful |
16:52:25 | JdGordon | too much effort to get it useable was the usual answer isnt it? |
16:52:43 | Llorean | Nico_P: Yeah, the usual answer is "great idea, but the hard part is getting all caught up" I think |
16:53:01 | B4gder | and I've not yet seen a good doxygen code and docs site |
16:53:13 | B4gder | it one of those good in principle, never in practise |
16:53:15 | PaulJam | btw, why does only the cabbiev2 theme reset the filetype colours? all the other themes don't contain that line. |
16:53:20 | Nico_P | I once started converting many comments to doxygen... wasn't too much effort |
16:53:44 | Llorean | PaulJam: They all predated colours and haven't been updated, I guess. |
16:53:45 | Lear | In case a developer finds the time to write function docs, it'd be nice to use common way though. |
16:53:49 | bluebrother | Nico_P: just start it by doing your commits consistently ;-) |
16:54:02 | Nico_P | it could be done gradually and there are already quite a few commented funcs |
16:54:15 | bluebrother | maybe others will follow that. I tried to use doxygen comments in rbutil sometimes too |
16:54:19 | B4gder | Well, using the doxygen format could of course not hurt much |
16:54:31 | bluebrother | unfortunately I wasn't consequent enough |
16:55:05 | Nico_P | knowing you guys don't mind, I'll probably start converting code I know then |
16:55:56 | Nico_P | lately (at work) I've been using doxygen quite a lot and it's pretty nice for easy code navigation |
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16:57:42 | Nico_P | one more question for devconners: which FS bug report corresponds to "playlist skipping songs"? is it FS #8977? |
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16:58:13 | Nico_P | also using the "due in version" attribute on FS could be a good idea |
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16:58:39 | MarcGuay | Could it be said that "To reset the settings on the iPod, turn the whole switch on immediately after the backlight comes on."? |
16:58:43 | Llorean | Nico_P: If we have a release manager, they can use the "Due in version" |
16:58:47 | MarcGuay | Or is that only true for the nano? |
16:59:07 | Llorean | Nico_P: I don't know if there's a tracker entry for it. I think I *might* have posted one, but Flyspray's a bit flaky right now |
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16:59:19 | Nico_P | Llorean: I've allowed myself to set FS #9110 as due in 3.0 |
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16:59:32 | Nico_P | I wanted to do the same for "playlist skipping songs" |
16:59:45 | Nico_P | and also read about details |
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17:01:47 | Llorean | Nico_P: Did you listen to the devcon chat, by chance? |
17:01:55 | Nico_P | no |
17:02:22 | Llorean | The playlist skipping songs and the playlist freezing at the end are the two big showstoppers that _must_ be fixed. |
17:02:38 | Llorean | They are at the very top end of the high-priority list |
17:02:39 | Nico_P | I agree |
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17:02:49 | Llorean | It's in the chat. |
17:02:51 | Llorean | :) |
17:03:46 | MarcGuay | pixelma: Care to help with a rephrasing of "You can also reset all settings to their default values by turning off the \dap, and turning it back on with the \ButtonHold\ button on.} for the ipods? |
17:04:39 | Llorean | For the iPods "To reset your iPod's settings, power on the player with the hold switch enabled, or if impossible, enable the hold switch immediately after power on." ? |
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17:04:54 | aidy | hi |
17:06:21 | pixelma | MarcGuay: I would if I could (but don't even know the timing and as a non-native speaker...) |
17:06:24 | MarcGuay | Llorean: In the case of the nano that will just boot the OF. |
17:06:37 | Llorean | Nico_P: I've marked 9110 Critical and due in 3.0 |
17:06:45 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Oh, right. |
17:06:47 | Llorean | Clearing settings. |
17:06:54 | Llorean | Sorry, "after the backlight turns on, enable the hold switch" |
17:07:04 | MarcGuay | Llorean: Is that true for all ipods? |
17:07:10 | Llorean | I *think* it is. |
17:07:22 | Llorean | The backlight comes on once the Rockbox bootloader has been entered, I believe. |
17:07:26 | amiconn | Not for the 1st/2nd Gen |
17:07:36 | Llorean | =/ |
17:07:42 | MarcGuay | Right, just ones with the 4G_PAD. |
17:07:57 | Llorean | So, fix the older ones to behave the same way. :-P |
17:07:58 | amiconn | There the bootloader doesn't enable the backlight, 'cause that would cause backlight inversion, and the apple loader doesn't enable it either |
17:08:06 | MarcGuay | There appears to be no reset-settings for the earlier ipods. |
17:09:06 | * | JdGordon listening to the recording.... imo the theme site should definatly be lauched before or with the release... not after |
17:09:24 | B4gder | "should" being the operative word... |
17:09:26 | Llorean | JdGordon: We all think it *should* be |
17:09:33 | Llorean | We just don't think it should stop the release if it gets delayed further |
17:09:54 | pixelma | MarcGuay: there's also the 3rd gen Ipod itself... |
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17:10:17 | MarcGuay | pixelma: Which doesn't seem to have a settings-reset-on-boot option either. |
17:10:34 | pixelma | ah, ok. haven't checked |
17:11:02 | MarcGuay | Only targets with record buttons, the gigabeat, the h10, and the ipods have it. |
17:11:10 | MarcGuay | *ipod 4g+ |
17:12:20 | Llorean | That's not many, really |
17:12:57 | MarcGuay | Llorean: True. Just saying it for the record. |
17:13:12 | amiconn | 6 in total |
17:13:32 | MarcGuay | So would it be safe to say for the 4G_PAD targets "flick hold after the backlight comes on?"... |
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17:17:22 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Do you have an iPod? |
17:17:29 | MarcGuay | Llorean: Just the nano. |
17:17:42 | Llorean | Ah |
17:17:46 | Llorean | 's all I have too. |
17:18:22 | MarcGuay | Care to borrow a few and test or would it be easier to use vaguer wording? |
17:18:34 | MarcGuay | "If the OF boots you've done it too soon" |
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17:18:52 | gevaerts | Is there a reason for CATEGORIES to not be sorted ? |
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17:20:22 | B4gder | not that I know |
17:22:06 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Works on the 5G as well |
17:22:36 | Llorean | And on the Mini |
17:22:36 | MarcGuay | Llorean: The backlight-on timing? Think it's good enough to add. \ |
17:22:40 | MarcGuay | Llorean: Nice. |
17:22:45 | Llorean | Thanks to amiconn for testing that one |
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17:37:19 | fml | bluebrother: here? |
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17:37:24 | J-23 | Hi! |
17:37:37 | J-23 | Can somebody help me with repairing Sansa C240? (priv please) |
17:38:53 | scorche|sh | J-23: why not in the main channel here? |
17:39:37 | gevaerts | And what's wrong with it ? |
17:39:49 | fml | bluebrother: could you please show the dap model in the progress dialog in the RBUtil so that the user knows what's being installed? I know it's displayed in the main window but it would also be good to see it in the 'Installing' window. |
17:40:04 | Llorean | Why? |
17:40:19 | Llorean | With current versions of RButil, it's much harder to accidentally install the wrong model anyway |
17:40:27 | gevaerts | Another way to find out this info is to look at the DAP |
17:40:29 | Llorean | Current being "those in SVN" |
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17:41:33 | Domonoky | rbutil now warns if you install a build for a other player, than you already have installed.. :-) |
17:41:59 | fml | Llorean: I use the version available on the wiki and have several times ried to install a wrong version since I have two players. |
17:42:15 | Llorean | fml: As I said, the in-SVN version is MUCH improved in this area |
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17:42:26 | Llorean | It will check what model player is attached, and ask for a confirmation if you're trying to install the wrong version |
17:43:04 | fml | Llorean: why isn't it on the wiki then? |
17:43:33 | Llorean | fml: Because we don't immediately release a new version every time a non-critical change goes in. |
17:44:33 | fml | Llorean: it could be as with the 'current build' −− not a release but just the last version built |
17:44:48 | Llorean | Not a good idea |
17:44:56 | Llorean | You want the available version of the installer to actually _work_ |
17:45:22 | Llorean | There are many, many people overseeing the builds who can make emergency fixes |
17:45:27 | Llorean | Relatively few people look at the installer code |
17:46:02 | Domonoky | and its difficult to automatically generate the rbutil builds (we need linux, win and mac) .. |
17:46:23 | Llorean | Maybe we should try to schedule releases though. |
17:46:39 | Llorean | Even when there's no major changes, as long as there's updates post new binaries every two months or something? |
17:46:42 | bertrik | oh, rockblox1d was committed |
17:46:59 | * | bertrik wonders if it should be under demos rather than games :P |
17:47:06 | * | Llorean thinks it should |
17:47:14 | PaulJam | hmm, wy does the rockblox1d score not start at 0 ? |
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17:48:03 | Llorean | What's it start at? |
17:48:14 | fml | But the version available is quite old. Could you put a 'good enogh' version in? |
17:48:25 | bertrik | 341260 |
17:48:27 | PaulJam | 341260 for me |
17:48:29 | Domonoky | rbutils Mac version is on version behind.. we need people which can build rbutil correctly for our tragets (static builds).. |
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17:50:17 | Llorean | PaulJam: I'd say that's definitely a bug then. :) |
17:50:49 | PaulJam | "unsigned long int score = 34126;" i guess that is where it comes from. |
17:50:59 | B4gder | haha |
17:51:01 | fml | PaulJam: ...unless you're given credits for FS #9110! :-) |
17:51:20 | J-23 | scorche|sh: is hardware support on this channel too? |
17:51:46 | Llorean | J-23: Depends on whether it's rockbox related. But if it's not, then you can go to the -community channely |
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17:51:48 | Llorean | channel |
17:52:19 | J-23 | My question is hardware-related only. |
17:54:15 | Llorean | So, in -community |
17:54:24 | J-23 | ok. |
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17:56:02 | MarcGuay | Can I get a roll-call of players that have hardware shutdowns? The manual currently only mentions the Archoses, and I know the e200 has long-power... Any others? |
17:56:32 | krazykit | you can flip the battery switch on gigabeats |
17:57:12 | Llorean | MarcGuay: iPods have hardware reset, which is similar |
17:58:04 | gevaerts | The D2 also seems to shut down if you hold power long enough |
17:58:21 | pixelma | the Iaudios too, at least M5 and X5 (long hold of "Power" too) and it's not only the e200, the c200 has the same too |
17:58:27 | gevaerts | And the gigabeats have externally accessible battery switches |
17:58:38 | pixelma | about the M3, we should ask amiconn |
17:59:27 | bertrik | I think all players with an AS3514 can do the long-power shutdown, so all players with PP5024 and also the sansa c200 which has a separate AS3514 chip |
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18:14:15 | Aubri | Ok...I've got a question and it's not listed in the FAQ that I saw but I'm not sure if you all can help me...But I'll explain and see. Somehow my iPOD has gotten stuck in another language...Is there an easy way to get it back to being in English...Not sure if this is an Apple issue or a rockbox issue so I figured I'd ask here first. |
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18:15:00 | MarcGuay | Aubri: It depends which firmware is in not-English. |
18:15:05 | Ph0ny^ | FYI: RockBox breath life into one of my old Ipods :) |
18:15:21 | Ph0ny^ | RockBox do ROCK! |
18:15:31 | Aubri | How do I tell which firmware isn't in English? |
18:15:46 | MarcGuay | Aubri: Is it in the Apple firmware or in Rockbox? |
18:15:51 | Aubri | Part of the menu items and whatnot are showing up as English. Part are showing up as another language. |
18:16:07 | Aubri | Rockbox at the moment. |
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18:16:34 | MarcGuay | Err. Find the "Language" entry in the settings and change it to English. |
18:16:51 | MarcGuay | Aubri: You could also reset the settings, which default to English. |
18:16:52 | PaulJam | Aubri: the easiest way would be to reset the settings, alternatively you could remove the language line from .rockbox/config.cfg |
18:17:16 | Aubri | Problem is that I can't get to the general settings to get to the language entry...I can get to settings..But when I try to get to general nothing happens. |
18:17:46 | bertrik | Rockbox has a 'reset settings' key for many players that you can hold at startup to reset settings. There's probably also one for the ipods |
18:17:57 | MarcGuay | Is the Gigabeat battery switch documented anywhere in the manual code or do I need to refer to it literally? |
18:18:26 | Aubri | How do you reset the settings? |
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18:18:46 | bertrik | I don't know how for ipods, but it's probably in the manual |
18:18:46 | MarcGuay | Aubri: Turn the player off. Turn it back on, and immediately when the backlight activates, flip the hold switch on. |
18:18:52 | Llorean | MarcGuay: You need to toggle it for the bootloader install to complete on the F |
18:18:53 | Aubri | Well this is an iPOD video 30GB... |
18:18:55 | MarcGuay | betrik: :) I just added it. |
18:18:57 | Llorean | But I'm not sure how it's described. |
18:19:14 | MarcGuay | Llorean: Thanks, will check. |
18:19:20 | gevaerts | MarcGuay: This is a real pure hardware switch without any software interaction, so I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't have any definition yet |
18:20:03 | MarcGuay | It's referred to literally, no macro. Thanks guys. |
18:20:21 | Aubri | Thank you. Hold on. I'll do that. |
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18:22:50 | Aubri | Thank you MarkGuay. It worked. |
18:23:11 | Aubri | And your help was much appreciated. |
18:23:16 | MarcGuay | amiconn: Is there a hardware poweroff on the M3? |
18:23:20 | MarcGuay | Aubri: No problem. |
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18:27:49 | * | MarcGuay realizes that the M3 doesn't have a manual anyway... |
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18:28:34 | pixelma | true that... |
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18:32:14 | preglow | Llorean: kind of |
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18:33:39 | petur | JdGordon: peakmeters fixed |
18:33:48 | Llorean | preglow: If i could remember what I wanted to ask you, it'd be great. =/ |
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18:35:07 | preglow | Llorean: :) |
18:35:35 | Llorean | preglow: Something came up here at devcon and it reminded me of something I wanted to ask you, but I really have no clue, at all, of what it was. =/ |
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18:37:57 | preglow | Llorean: oh well, i'll be around for the rest of they day anyway, fi you do remember |
18:39:15 | preglow | anyone know how to erase characters in irssi under mac os x? :> |
18:39:38 | pixelma | is this an irssi report channel? ;) |
18:39:59 | preglow | problem is i don't know how to switch channels either :P |
18:40:06 | pixelma | ehh... support too |
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18:46:28 | * | PaulJam wonders what an "ppm and rppm viewer" is. |
18:47:13 | Llorean | PaulJam: http://netpbm.sourceforge.net/doc/ppm.html perhaps? What is this in reference to? |
18:47:21 | bertrik | ppm is portable pixmap IIRC, but no idea about rppm |
18:47:30 | B4gder | Llorean: to the plugin just committed I would think |
18:47:32 | pixelma | someone needs to write the documentation.... |
18:49:00 | B4gder | pixelma: I'm sure his next commit will bring that :-) |
18:49:15 | MarcGuay | pixelma: Arg. How can I get a simple space to follow the button-press in this line? \opt{SANSA_E200_PAD,SANSA_C200_PAD,IAUDIO_X5_PAD,IAUDIO_M5_PAD}{\ButtonPower}% until the \dap{} shuts off.% |
18:49:51 | MarcGuay | pixelma: It ends up reading "down Poweruntil the player" |
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18:50:28 | pixelma | you would need to remove the % (or put the space right before it) |
18:50:55 | pixelma | % marks the beginning of a comment |
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18:52:06 | pixelma | the problem is though that if you have more than one \opt line you sometimes get an additional space for each additional \opt line |
18:53:00 | pixelma | so the % workaround helps avoiding those |
18:56:35 | * | gevaerts will try to get DerPapst to write the documentation, but if not he'll do it himself |
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18:57:27 | amiconn | MarcGuay: has no hardware poweroff. It needs a paperclip like the coldfire irivers |
18:57:37 | amiconn | Add 'M3' where appropriate |
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19:18:34 | B4gder | 24 different supported targets are present here |
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19:22:17 | shadoxx | Anyone have a link to the Sansa unbrick utility? |
19:22:34 | shadoxx | seems as though woot! has shipped me a bricked mp3 player |
19:22:47 | Llorean | Bricked in what way? |
19:23:19 | B4gder | and what sansa? |
19:23:22 | shadoxx | First of all, it doesn't have a way to switch it to mass storage mode in the menu. Which is odd in itself. |
19:23:26 | shadoxx | Sansa e250 |
19:23:27 | bluebrother | unbrick utility? |
19:23:35 | Llorean | If you're in the OF it's definitely not bricked... |
19:23:51 | bluebrother | then your firmware is too new. |
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19:23:57 | * | Zagor witnesses the complete inflation of the meaning of "bricked" |
19:24:13 | bluebrother | maybe we should create some bricks at devcon :) |
19:24:15 | shadoxx | Well, whenever I connect it to my pc, it works for a little bit, then freezes |
19:24:38 | shadoxx | So maybe not 'bricked' in the way that it doesn't load at all. But something is corrupted somewhere |
19:24:55 | Llorean | shadoxx: Then copy over a new firmware file in recovery mode |
19:25:14 | shadoxx | kk. how do i get into recovery mode with the sansa? |
19:25:41 | bertrik | what kind of sansa is it, a v1, v2, rhapsody, what firmware version? |
19:25:49 | shadoxx | umm |
19:25:53 | shadoxx | lemme check. |
19:26:22 | shadoxx | 01.01.05P |
19:26:33 | shadoxx | Apparently the region for it is Asian. O_o |
19:27:44 | shadoxx | oh |
19:27:49 | shadoxx | Found out how to get it into recovery mode. |
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19:29:52 | bertrik | I'm running the latest 01.02.24E version of the OF (which is the latest OF version AFAIK) and it could be rockboxed without any problem through the rbutilqt program |
19:30:33 | Llorean | bertrik: Manual entry of MSC mode? |
19:31:34 | bertrik | Llorean: yes, it allowed me to change USB mode to MSC (it's MTP by default) |
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19:32:18 | shadoxx | And it seems as though trying to put mine into recovery mode just makes it freeze. :| |
19:33:13 | bertrik | although I did only update the .mi4 file, not the .rom |
19:33:18 | Llorean | bertrik: Some firmware revisions don't have an option. At least, for the c200. |
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19:43:13 | shadoxx | Ok, have it in recovery mode now. Seems as thought it's decided to co-operate |
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19:48:00 | Tyro | hello |
19:48:51 | Tyro | i try to build in the patch FS #9122 in rockbox for ipod photo.. |
19:49:32 | Tyro | how does it work? i cant find firmware/export/config-ipodcolor.h |
19:49:43 | Tyro | sorry iam such a newbie.. |
19:50:19 | scorche|sh | Tyro: see the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page |
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19:51:36 | bertrik | shadoxx: I vaguely remember something bad about 1.03.xx firmwares for sansa e200, better stick to a 1.02.xx firmware |
19:51:54 | shadoxx | I can't seem to find a link to any firmwares. ._. |
19:52:07 | shadoxx | besides 1.00.12 |
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19:56:06 | bertrik | shadoxx: maybe you should get other people's opinion first before upgrading, I quite sure (but not 100%) that you can upgrade from 1.01.xx to 1.02.xx. Also I'm not completely sure if it works with just a .mi4 update or if you also need to update the .rom file |
19:56:49 | shadoxx | i'm just extracting the whole .7z file into the 16MB-Recovery |
19:57:03 | shadoxx | well, here goes nothing |
19:57:06 | bertrik | NO, STOP |
19:57:16 | shadoxx | ? |
19:57:22 | shadoxx | stopped |
19:57:42 | shadoxx | .mi4 and .rom are two different update files? |
19:57:57 | bertrik | make sure you've read and understand the stuff under "A word of caution WARNING" on the SansaE200Unbrick page |
19:58:27 | shadoxx | link? |
19:58:34 | bertrik | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
19:58:57 | bertrik | I assumed you've already read it because you know how to enter recovery mode |
19:59:57 | shadoxx | should I delete the VERSION.TXT? |
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20:00:04 | shadoxx | it was in the 16MB part |
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20:00:32 | saratoga | anyone mind if I close this? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17428.msg128586;topicseen#msg128586 |
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20:01:51 | shadoxx | hmmm, so. copied over the .mi4 file to the recovery partition, and nothing happened |
20:02:03 | bertrik | shadoxx: just copy the .mi4 file, don't put on any other files |
20:02:10 | shadoxx | I did |
20:02:20 | shadoxx | unplugged the player, after safely removing |
20:02:24 | shadoxx | turned it on |
20:02:26 | shadoxx | nothing |
20:02:51 | * | B4gder is going for a highscore in the category "most files changed in a single commit" |
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20:03:26 | bertrik | shadoxx: nothing? just stays black? |
20:03:39 | shadoxx | no, it boots to the firmware i already had on it |
20:03:40 | shadoxx | :-\ |
20:04:59 | bertrik | ok, if that didn't work, I'm out of ideas |
20:05:19 | shadoxx | well wtf lulz |
20:05:36 | shadoxx | how do i tell if i have a rhapsody one |
20:05:52 | B4gder | 1324 files to be modified |
20:05:55 | shadoxx | wait no, ti says on it c250. |
20:05:57 | shadoxx | oh shit |
20:06:08 | shadoxx | you're kidding me right |
20:06:12 | bertrik | argh |
20:06:30 | shadoxx | dammit woot! |
20:06:42 | scorche|sh | shadoxx: really...stop using such language |
20:07:01 | shadoxx | gah |
20:07:28 | shadoxx | I'm just going to do this when I get home tonight. Seems as though the wrong model was listed on Woot! when they sold it to me. I just saw where it was marked on the player. |
20:07:42 | shadoxx | Is the c200 series compatible with rockbox? |
20:08:13 | scorche|sh | the v1s are |
20:08:13 | gevaerts | The v1, yes |
20:08:19 | bertrik | some c200s are, some others are not because they use different hardware |
20:08:37 | shadoxx | ah. ok. And what region is America? A? |
20:09:25 | scorche|sh | shadoxx: your device is fine for rockbox use as has been said... |
20:09:26 | shadoxx | anyway. bbl. teh workz0r |
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20:09:48 | scorche|sh | when you do come back, please try to use real words... |
20:09:51 | scorche|sh | bah |
20:10:03 | B4gder | going going... |
20:10:09 | scorche|sh | gone? |
20:10:19 | B4gder | 1324 files |
20:10:35 | B4gder | modified in one commit |
20:10:39 | bertrik | what did you change, svn props, whitespace? |
20:10:44 | pixelma | nice number |
20:10:50 | B4gder | comments in the source code header |
20:11:13 | PaulJam | petur: now that you seem to be familiar with the peakmeter code in the rec screen you might want to look at FS #9128 :) |
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20:11:52 | B4gder | they now explicitly say we are v2 or later |
20:12:04 | * | bluebrother just wanted to guess "license" |
20:12:05 | petur | PaulJam: actually, I'm dealing with the can of worms I opened while looking at that bug |
20:12:21 | bluebrother | btw, have we fixed a time for going through the second page yet? |
20:13:03 | Llorean | bluebrother: Not yet. |
20:13:43 | bluebrother | maybe we should before we got too much beer? ;-) |
20:14:19 | bluebrother | B4gder: is the number the reason the svn list on the frontpage is stuck? |
20:15:41 | B4gder | nah, it's there |
20:16:04 | B4gder | but it appears as several commits for some lame reason |
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20:17:09 | bluebrother | number overflow? |
20:17:48 | * | B4gder points to a little brother somewhere in this room |
20:17:55 | preglow | are those trappist beers i see there? :> |
20:17:57 | bluebrother | hmm, something in your calculation is wrong. several commits appear as "and 1294 more files" |
20:18:10 | petur | chimay red/blue/white |
20:18:23 | preglow | all of them excellent |
20:18:26 | B4gder | bluebrother: yes, it should cut after 30 and show the first 30 |
20:18:46 | gevaerts | preglow: actually not. The bottles are empty |
20:19:15 | pixelma | yeah, petur brought last year's |
20:19:15 | B4gder | and now it works again |
20:19:28 | preglow | gevaerts: sounds like quite a production flaw :> |
20:19:35 | petur | not really, almost ;) |
20:19:54 | gevaerts | preglow: actually, empty bottles are interesting as well. You can stack them |
20:20:46 | bluebrother | or try to sell them on ebay ;-) |
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20:24:17 | * | gevaerts is impressed by amiconn's hub |
20:24:54 | bertrik | how so? |
20:26:03 | gevaerts | It triggers a nice hight number of usb resets |
20:26:22 | saratoga | have you gotten anywhere recently with the hub reset issue? |
20:26:48 | saratoga | bertrik: any thoughts about when the Sansa battery charging stuff could be committed? |
20:27:08 | Llorean | saratoga: We're using the OF values, right? |
20:27:21 | saratoga | yes |
20:27:29 | saratoga | at least we have them, so they could be easily used |
20:27:36 | saratoga | i don't recall if the most recent patch uses them or not |
20:27:38 | bertrik | saratoga: Sorry, I haven't looked at that in a while. The problem is that in some weird cases, the charger won't indicate that charging is done. |
20:28:00 | saratoga | i thought it stopped charging on its own? |
20:29:38 | bertrik | I'm not completely sure yet that it actually does. The datasheet says to stop charging by manually setting a bit once the charger indicates it's ready. |
20:30:03 | saratoga | so it probably keeps trickle charging forever once the battery is full |
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20:31:35 | bertrik | saratoga: yes, that's what I think it does |
20:32:03 | saratoga | bertrik: is it likely that the OF is able to work around this? |
20:32:12 | saratoga | or do you think they just trickle charge forever sometimes |
20:32:33 | bertrik | I don't know |
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20:41:29 | bluebrother | who's familiar with sansapatcher? |
20:41:48 | B4gder | I linuxstb I think |
20:41:55 | * | B4gder removes an I |
20:42:46 | Llorean | He would be the absolute most familiar, yes. |
20:43:40 | bluebrother | I'm wondering if I can use the hasoldbootloader variable in struct sansa to detect an already installed bootloader |
20:43:51 | pixelma | maybe barrywardell too? Though he didn't show up for a long while... |
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20:44:13 | bluebrother | would be interested in a way to figure if a bootloader is already installed for Ipods |
20:46:13 | B4gder | bluebrother: for a sansa I think you can use that |
20:46:36 | B4gder | bluebrother: it will only fail for those who installed rockbox in the beginning of the port's life |
20:49:14 | bluebrother | I just tried and it always tells me I don't have an old bootloader :/ |
20:49:33 | B4gder | :-( |
20:49:41 | * | preglow does the 3.0 dance |
20:49:50 | B4gder | now that's a fine dance! |
20:49:54 | * | Llorean joins in. |
20:50:17 | preglow | a fine decision too |
20:50:33 | * | gevaerts thinks that we need codenames for releases |
20:50:38 | Llorean | We had codenames |
20:50:45 | preglow | didnt we have some? :> |
20:50:50 | preglow | yeah |
20:51:04 | Llorean | Fireworks and something else |
20:51:31 | preglow | Doesntwork |
20:51:34 | PaulJam | Mayday |
20:52:20 | Llorean | Right, there we go |
20:52:25 | Llorean | So, we need a new 3.0 codename |
20:52:55 | Llorean | Since the release date is going to be more flexible this time, and Fireworks won't make the same sense |
20:53:00 | B4gder | "wine 1.0 took longer" ! |
20:53:06 | B4gder | :-) |
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20:53:19 | tyro | so.. |
20:53:45 | Llorean | tyro: I don't understand the question. Please elaborate. |
20:53:59 | tyro | i try :) |
20:54:15 | * | B4gder offers an answer: tried the manual? |
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20:55:49 | * | bluebrother joins gevaerts with the codenames |
20:58:03 | preglow | B4gder: decided how we will deal with manuals around release time, btw? |
20:58:47 | bluebrother | we need some warm bodies to take care of that .. |
20:59:04 | Llorean | We either get them finished, or we say "there is no official manual for this release" and copy sections of them as "install guides" for the release targets, in my opinion. |
20:59:11 | bluebrother | btw, shouldn't we think about discussing the second page in the not-so-far future? |
20:59:23 | bluebrother | we can still release the manuals later |
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21:00:10 | B4gder | nobody reads them anyway :-P |
21:00:12 | Llorean | bluebrother: Agreed, on both counts |
21:00:16 | Silvery | Hello everyone, Since rockbox doesnt work on the ipod nano video's i was wondering if theres any utility to sync them that isnt as big of a pig |
21:00:44 | Llorean | That doesn't belong here. |
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21:00:57 | scorche|sh | Silvery: welcome to #rockbox...wherewe talk about (surprisingly) rockbox-related topics only |
21:00:59 | xqtftqx | Why do we need new manuals? |
21:00:59 | Silvery | i donno where else to ask |
21:01:00 | B4gder | and it does work on ipod nanos 1st gen |
21:01:00 | bluebrother | nano video? Nano or video? |
21:01:18 | scorche|sh | Silvery: that isnt out problem, really... |
21:01:21 | scorche|sh | our |
21:01:23 | Silvery | The nano 3rd gen or w/e ... the nano video... |
21:01:33 | Llorean | xqtftqx: We don't. We need the current manuals to be "done" |
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21:01:48 | Silvery | Well i wouldnt be asking if rockbox worked on it ;) |
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21:02:04 | Llorean | Silvery: Not knowing where to ask doesn't mean ask in a place it's definitely off-topic, though. Please, this room is for Rockbox support and development, and our topic tells where to ask things that aren't one of those two |
21:02:22 | xqtftqx | Llorean: Whats not done with them? |
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21:03:11 | Llorean | xqtftqx: It's missing a few features still, it's incomplete for some players, it's missing some plugins. It's very draft still |
21:03:18 | Llorean | It's good, but there's still plenty of polish to apply |
21:03:30 | saratoga | shoot Vorbis is still faster then WMA even with my improvements |
21:03:31 | xqtftqx | Most of the content chould be taken from the wiki |
21:04:31 | Llorean | xqtftqx: Wiki content usually is not particularly well written, and no, a lot of things aren't covered in the wiki, or at least in an appropriate way for use in the manual |
21:04:48 | Llorean | One way or another it depends on a real human being to create material usable by non-technical users. |
21:05:06 | bluebrother | if you could "just copy from the wiki" we'd have done this already like 2 years ago or so |
21:05:09 | * | bluebrother shakes head |
21:05:23 | xqtftqx | I chould work on some manuals |
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21:05:39 | Llorean | xqtftqx: We accept patches to the manual on the tracker, just like everything else. :) |
21:05:54 | xqtftqx | Ok... |
21:06:09 | xqtftqx | Whats Needed? |
21:06:23 | Llorean | I don't think there's a set list. |
21:06:26 | bluebrother | but be aware that the manual is written in LaTeX. Nothing unbearable, but it isn't as easy to start with as word |
21:06:33 | Llorean | People working on the manual need to find things that aren't yet documented. |
21:06:44 | Llorean | There *might* be a wiki page, for it, says scorche |
21:06:45 | bluebrother | there's the ManualTodo wiki page, but AFAIK that is quite outdated. |
21:07:36 | bluebrother | also, some internal stuff could get cleaned up. I'm thinking of breaking horizontal mode vs. protected spaces. |
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21:12:10 | Zagor | new twiki version. hold the bug reports a bit... |
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21:12:51 | bluebrother | Zagor: cool. Does it behave nicer wrt. the element naming? |
21:13:01 | saratoga | does the M3 only have 96KB of IRAM? |
21:13:08 | saratoga | i thought it was a 128K target? |
21:13:17 | * | bluebrother goes checking page source |
21:14:47 | amiconn | saratoga: M3 is MCF5249 lile the irivers. M5/X5 are MCF5250 |
21:15:42 | Zagor | bluebrother: source is pretty much identical, I'm afraid |
21:16:25 | bluebrother | too bad. Those css changes would've been greeeat :'-( |
21:16:31 | saratoga | ah just assumed that they were like the X5s |
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21:17:24 | bluebrother | Zagor: is there any new restriction? w3c validator gets a 403 when trying to check a wiki page |
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21:18:37 | Llorean | PaulJam: Is that post recent peakmeter change then? |
21:18:57 | Zagor | bluebrother: yeah it has lots of useragent blocking in the apache config file. I'll clean some out later, but I'll try to fix the obvious breakages first. |
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21:20:11 | PaulJam | Llorean: i think it is there since it was possible to put a peakmeter into a viewport, but i mut admit that i was too lazy to report it when i saw it first. |
21:20:40 | Llorean | Have you tested it against the very latest builds? |
21:21:53 | bluebrother | Zagor: ok, cheers |
21:22:09 | PaulJam | Llorean: i posted the rev number. |
21:22:26 | * | petur will have a look at that peakmeter issue later |
21:22:28 | Llorean | Oh, somehow read straight over that |
21:23:32 | Llorean | Alright, so right after the change, okay |
21:24:20 | PaulJam | petur: i don't think there are many other people that use a WPS with peakmeters in a separate viewport, so that issue is probably wery low priority. |
21:26:02 | Llorean | It's certainly not a release blocker. :-P |
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21:26:47 | Corey | I'm having trouble attaching files to the wiki can anyone help? |
21:27:08 | Llorean | What trouble are you having? |
21:27:26 | B4gder | Corey: hold on, there's wiki upgrading in progress |
21:27:48 | Corey | okay so just try again a little later? |
21:28:00 | B4gder | yes, please just wait a while |
21:28:24 | Corey | Great, thank you! And Thank you for the awesome software! |
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21:37:03 | B4gder | we need 5 more commits! |
21:37:11 | B4gder | to have the entire build table have commits from today |
21:37:22 | xqtftqx | 5 more commits of what? Patchs? |
21:37:26 | scorche|sh | there has beena lot of commitsthis devcon... |
21:37:27 | xqtftqx | Patches* |
21:38:12 | xqtftqx | But commits of what |
21:38:28 | PaulJam | xqtftqx: code? |
21:38:36 | B4gder | rubbish! |
21:38:42 | xqtftqx | Why do we need 5 more? |
21:38:46 | B4gder | to have the entire build table have commits from today |
21:38:55 | xqtftqx | Commit some patches |
21:39:37 | xqtftqx | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9085?histring=Stopwatch |
21:39:40 | xqtftqx | Maybe that one? |
21:39:58 | xqtftqx | Works On All the targets i have |
21:40:06 | Llorean | that's a bad one. |
21:40:12 | Llorean | It's completely the wrong solution. |
21:40:22 | xqtftqx | Ok... |
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21:40:33 | xqtftqx | MultiFont? or AlbumArt Resize? |
21:40:36 | Llorean | You can access playback controls from within a plugin. |
21:40:53 | bluebrother | we should have a commit statistics with graphical representations of commits / day ;-) |
21:40:53 | Llorean | Last i heard MultiFont still hadn't cleared its blocking issues. |
21:41:07 | xqtftqx | Blocking Issues? |
21:41:24 | Llorean | Use of the glyphcache I believe |
21:41:43 | bluebrother | is multifont done right anyway? (haven't looked at it at all) |
21:42:03 | xqtftqx | It works, i dont know whats "not" done] |
21:43:29 | Llorean | Unfortunately, mixing and matching "works, but not necessarily done right" often results in a lot more work later on |
21:43:51 | xqtftqx | Ok... |
21:45:17 | xqtftqx | Is album art resize done right? |
21:46:10 | Llorean | Most patches that aren't included aren't for a reason. |
21:46:25 | xqtftqx | Well whats the reason on the art resize? |
21:47:04 | Llorean | If I knew, I would've just said. |
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21:51:06 | Llorean | Personally, I would call study mode "Coarse Seeking". It doesn't tell the user that it's going to disable track skips, though. |
21:51:34 | Llorean | pixelma: Ping, with a suggestion. Easier to write here than shout across the room noise. |
21:51:52 | pixelma | will keep that in mind :) |
21:52:17 | bluebrother | I somewhat liked the initial "tracklock" (as you can't skip anymore ...) |
21:53:01 | Llorean | But it doesn't disable track changes when you reach the end, does it? |
21:53:17 | Llorean | It just disables manual skips unless you jump until you reach the end? |
21:53:24 | pixelma | just remove it entirely... ;) |
21:53:25 | bluebrother | yeps |
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21:54:01 | Llorean | We need the steering board! |
21:54:25 | xqtftqx | What exactly is the steering board? |
21:54:27 | pixelma | agreed |
21:54:46 | bluebrother | we have agreed on that earlier today, haven't we? ;-) |
21:55:22 | bertrik | bluebrother: what do I need to help with rbutil translation? |
21:55:22 | Llorean | xqtftqx: If people argue about a feature, the steering board can step in and make a final decision. |
21:55:54 | xqtftqx | Oh, so like a jury? |
21:56:02 | bertrik | I do already have the dev packages set up to build rbutilqt |
21:56:07 | bluebrother | bertrik: well, the most convenient way (for you) would most likely be to install Qt and use linguist. |
21:56:26 | Llorean | xqtftqx: Eh, close enough. |
21:56:32 | bluebrother | there's a short introduction in the RockboxUtilityDevelopment wiki page |
21:56:47 | xqtftqx | Lol, ok |
21:57:29 | bluebrother | you mostly need to adjust rbutilqt.pro, call lupdate on the project file and then edit the *.ts file using linguist |
21:57:53 | bluebrother | You could of course use any editor as it's xml |
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22:19:30 | terrence1019 | greetings fellow Rockboxers |
22:21:48 | terrence1019 | :) |
22:22:33 | krazykit | hello |
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22:23:29 | terrence1019 | just want to say keep up the good |
22:26:31 | terrence1019 | i think a OndaVX747 port would be cool |
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22:27:06 | PaulJam | well, then start one :) |
22:27:07 | bertrik | volunteers for a new port are always welcome :) |
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22:27:30 | B4gder | that scared him away pretty quick! |
22:28:14 | bertrik | oh, we weren't that offensive, were we? |
22:28:36 | B4gder | hey, I noticed two smileys on two lines, that can make anyone run away! |
22:29:02 | Llorean | It takes every ounce of willpower I have not to throw my computer out the window and run from the room screaming. |
22:32:48 | Llorean | Isn't the Gigabeast clocked slower than the Gigabeat F right now? |
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22:36:03 | Nico_P | yeah, I think it is |
22:36:08 | Llorean | Interesting |
22:36:09 | terrence | :) |
22:36:15 | Llorean | It's getting 2-3 fps more than my F on the same video |
22:36:27 | Nico_P | better ARM core :) |
22:36:29 | Llorean | Yeah |
22:36:35 | terrence | what |
22:36:46 | Llorean | I'm aware. :) Just mean to say it'll be interesting to see what it can do when it's running at full speed. |
22:37:43 | terrence | the onda port would be an refreshing entry for the Rockbox |
22:37:54 | Llorean | terrence: You already said you thought it would be cool. |
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22:38:14 | Nico_P | Llorean: indeed. the hw graphics acceleration could be fun too |
22:38:37 | Llorean | Nico_P: My understanding is that it should reduce the load of h.264 by some 20-30%? |
22:39:22 | terrence | much praise to mcuelenaere for initial work |
22:39:24 | Nico_P | no idea... I haven't looked at the spec sheets in a while |
22:39:54 | Llorean | I'm only really interested in other formats if we can actually get 640x480 output though. |
22:40:10 | Llorean | At 320x180 I can get quite small files that still look excellent with MPEG-2 anyway |
22:40:22 | terrence | Llorean: sorry, there's lag time in my replies |
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22:43:52 | mcuelenaere | terrence: why don't you help out? there's still a need for developers (especially for this target) |
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22:49:16 | terrence1019 | mcuelenaere: i am already in the process of buying one to fiddle with |
22:51:08 | terrence1019 | mcuelenaere: the onda are quite reasonably priced |
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22:53:39 | terrence1019 | mcuelenaere: i could afford to screw with it lol |
22:54:20 | terrence1019 | i am experiencing lag times in my responses...... any reason why? |
22:54:26 | B4gder | time to tower! |
22:55:02 | Llorean | terrence1019: CGI:IRC sucks |
22:55:04 | Llorean | Try mibbit. |
22:57:01 | mcuelenaere | terrence1019: that's exactly the reason why I bought it (+ there's really a lot of GPL'ed source code) |
22:57:22 | terrence1019 | Llorean: thanks alot |
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22:59:32 | Domonok1 | rockbox tower building started :-) |
22:59:50 | Nico_P | Llorean: I think I know why FS #9110 happens |
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23:00:22 | bertrik | \o/ |
23:01:25 | Llorean | Nico_P: So, how long 'til you have a patch? |
23:01:42 | Nico_P | Llorean: not long before a patch, but it will need testing |
23:02:19 | Llorean | At least it's pretty reliably reproduced, right? |
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23:03:07 | Nico_P | yeah I found the last proposed method to be rather reliable (3 tracks with the total being just a bit too big) |
23:03:15 | Nico_P | s/last/latest |
23:04:01 | Llorean | It'll be good to see that fixed. :) |
23:04:05 | Nico_P | the patch is a one-liner and it appears to fix the problem |
23:04:08 | Llorean | even if I never experience it myself |
23:04:33 | Nico_P | I think the problem goes a while back. it only appears in rather special cases |
23:05:36 | Nico_P | it might have started in r16868 |
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23:06:32 | Nico_P | damnit I can't even contact a pastebin site :( |
23:06:56 | Llorean | Nico_P: That version number sounds familiar |
23:07:11 | Nico_P | oh? |
23:07:28 | Llorean | Yeah. |
23:07:53 | Llorean | Probably just one of the revisions we were suspecting of some other bug. |
23:07:54 | PaulJam | Nico_P: good news :) |
23:08:11 | Llorean | Incredible news |
23:08:16 | Nico_P | PaulJam: the change is pretty trivial... want to test? |
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23:09:00 | PaulJam | i guess i could do a quick test |
23:09:19 | Nico_P | playback.c:1414, change it to "if (filling == STATE_FULL || filling == STATE_FINISHED) {" |
23:09:32 | Nico_P | instead of "if (filling == STATE_FULL) {" |
23:09:33 | PaulJam | ok |
23:09:59 | PaulJam | just need to wait for svn up to finish |
23:10:12 | Nico_P | I need to check for side effects though |
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23:11:34 | PaulJam | btw, that line is 1416 for me. |
23:12:08 | mib_4y44u8xe | mcuelenaere: so what needs to be done at this point? |
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23:12:41 | Nico_P | hmm it might not be the best fix |
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23:14:47 | Zagor | that's a big tower |
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23:15:41 | Llorean | Nico_P: Side effects? |
23:16:23 | Nico_P | Llorean: yes, useless buffer fills when reaching the end of the last track in the playlist |
23:16:35 | Nico_P | although it's not really a big problem |
23:16:48 | Llorean | It's a less significant side effect than freezes |
23:16:51 | Nico_P | indeed |
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23:17:22 | terrence1019 | cool |
23:17:58 | Llorean | Nico_P: So about all would be a very small battery life decrease? |
23:18:29 | Nico_P | Llorean: maybe not even that. nothing much happens I think |
23:18:44 | Nico_P | but I might find something a bit more efficient |
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23:19:17 | Llorean | Nico_P: So, we're down to one entry in the "major" column I think. |
23:19:34 | Nico_P | not the easiest one unfortunately :( |
23:19:57 | Llorean | Yes. :( |
23:20:35 | Llorean | So you have 30 minutes instead of 5 this time. |
23:20:37 | Llorean | :-P |
23:20:54 | Nico_P | how generous of you! :D |
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23:21:03 | Llorean | Hehehe. So 9110 can be closed as fixed? |
23:21:33 | Nico_P | not just yet, I want to test a bit more |
23:21:36 | Llorean | Okay |
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23:21:48 | markun | hi MTee! |
23:21:57 | Nico_P | also I'd rather wait for confirmation from others |
23:22:10 | MTee | Hello markun ! |
23:22:40 | Llorean | PaulJam: While you're here: You find a lot of bugs, can you think of any others that seriously interfere with normal use? Or, have I already asked you this and my lack of food is interfering with my ability to remember? |
23:26:13 | PaulJam | Llorean: i can't say for sure, i occassionally experience playback weirdensses, but i use a modified build, and most times this are issues that happen wery rarely and where i have no idea how to reproduce, so i can't check if this are issues with the official buld too. |
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23:27:20 | Llorean | PaulJam: I think if they're rare enough that nobody else is reporting them either, they're probably rare enough not to block a release. |
23:27:41 | oofus | Hi all. I'm having a minor display issue with latest builds for iAudio X5L. On the What's playing screen the line that shows the time gone, time remaining and track # of # is being drawn above the track progress bar thus obscuring part of the cover art and next track info. Do I need to delete/rebuild something due to recent changes or is this simply a bug ? |
23:28:10 | Llorean | But no one person can keep track of all, so I'm probably going to forget who I've asked and repeat the question a few more times over the next week |
23:28:16 | oofus | The theme is cabbieV2 |
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23:30:31 | PaulJam | Nico_P: the fix seems to work here. i can do some more intensive testing if i notice any side effets tomorrow. |
23:31:39 | PaulJam | if there is anything else, i'll read the logs. |
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23:32:22 | Llorean | oofus: Try loading a current build of Rockbox and resetting settings |
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23:34:16 | * | petur is uploading tower (and other) pics |
23:34:46 | B4gder | http://picasaweb.google.com/peturbox/RockboxDevcon2008/photo#5217048903275345378 |
23:34:56 | B4gder | that's a... massive picture |
23:35:05 | scorche|sh | \o/ |
23:35:29 | fml | Nico_P: hello. Can you describe why the bug was happening? And how you think you've fixed it. |
23:35:35 | oofus | Llorean: Thanks. I have v.latest already. Reseting has made no difference. |
23:36:02 | Llorean | oofus: Please, tell me your revision number. And use whole words where possible, for our non-native speakers. |
23:36:44 | Nico_P | fml: hi. what happened was that in certain cases you could get to filling == STATE_FINISHED but with some data missing |
23:36:52 | fml | To the wiki masters: wouldn't it be sensible to assign a category (say, 'WPS Gallery') to all WPS pages? |
23:37:00 | mcuelenaere | arrg, bertrik spotted a dt-mistake made by me! |
23:37:03 | terrence1019 | the Onda is an ideal player for Rockbox |
23:37:16 | Nico_P | the buffering_low_buffer_callback would therefor never free space up |
23:37:28 | Llorean | fml: We're going to be removing the WPS pages as soon as possible to replace them with something better |
23:37:31 | mcuelenaere | terrence1019: this is like the third time you said that |
23:37:47 | terrence1019 | i missed count |
23:37:50 | oofus | Llorean: ok. r17859-080628 |
23:37:57 | terrence1019 | CGI:IRC sucks |
23:37:58 | Llorean | terrence1019: Seriously, if you're not working on it then you really shouldn't be saying anything. |
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23:38:23 | Llorean | oofus: Okay, just making sure. Some people end up meaning the daily with latest, or so forth |
23:38:36 | oofus | Llorean: ok, no problem |
23:38:51 | xxbatman94xx | is lambda on? |
23:38:56 | Llorean | oofus: Have you changed the peakmeter status? |
23:39:05 | xxbatman94xx | nope |
23:39:08 | Llorean | xxbatman94xx: You can very easily see he's not in the list of people in teh room... |
23:39:15 | ZincAlloy | Is it a known bug that fast forwarding is not working immediatly after playback of a new song starts? nothing happens.. and when you release the button the song starts from 0.00 again |
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23:39:28 | oofus | Llorean: as far as I remember I haven't touched it. |
23:39:31 | Llorean | ZincAlloy: I don't believe there's a tracker entry for it. |
23:39:40 | Llorean | oofus: Well, I guess you did reset your settings. |
23:39:50 | Llorean | oofus: File a bug report, I suppose. And a screen dump if you can |
23:40:10 | oofus | Llorean: ok, will do. |
23:40:25 | oofus | Llorean: can I take screen dumps with Rockbox then ? |
23:40:39 | Llorean | Yes. Gotta go for food though. It's documented somewhere |
23:40:49 | oofus | Llorean: great, thanks |
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23:41:18 | Nico_P | Llorean: I think I have the correct fix ready now |
23:41:30 | fml | fml: isn't that a sign of a non clean state machine? I'd rather repair the machine than insert some ad-hoc corrections. |
23:41:30 | ZincAlloy | oofus: go to system, debug, screendump |
23:41:41 | Nico_P | the low buffer callback still gets called but now it won't do anything useless anymore |
23:41:54 | Nico_P | fml: exactly. I added a new state |
23:42:21 | ZincAlloy | oofus: a dump will be made every time you insert a usb cable |
23:42:45 | fml | Llorean: what is this 'something better'? Just some hazy thoughts or something real? |
23:42:46 | oofus | ZincAlloy: thanks very much, just trying it |
23:43:28 | fml | Nico_P: aha! I don' know exactly how it works but that was just a general thought (which seems to be correct ;-) |
23:44:51 | * | Nico_P can't reach a pastebin :/ |
23:45:19 | oofus | ZincAlloy: worked perfectly :) |
23:46:20 | fml | Nico_P: try another pastebin (there are many) |
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23:52:55 | terrence1019 | mcuelenaere: u've found any datasheets on the Onda |
23:53:11 | xqtftqx | Ha! Somebody commited the stopwatch patch! :p |
23:53:47 | xqtftqx | Robert, Did, You guys said it was done improberly. |
23:54:44 | terrence1019 | i've found some datasheets |
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