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| 00:03:07 | krazykit | terrence1019, so add them to the relevant wiki page, if they are not there already |
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| 00:05:35 | terrence1019 | ok |
| 00:05:41 | terrence1019 | i am in the process of adding them |
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| 00:07:00 | * | Nico_P is trying to commit |
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| 00:07:32 | xqtftqx | Grrr can somebody help me out with a patch? |
| 00:08:01 | xqtftqx | its the new dict patch some svn changes made it not able to compile |
| 00:08:16 | xqtftqx | Im looking for the problem but cant find it |
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| 00:09:41 | xqtftqx | oh wait, this is multifont |
| 00:09:55 | xqtftqx | settings.c:802: error: too few arguments to function ‘font_load’ settings.c:805: error: too few arguments to function ‘font_reset’ |
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| 00:14:22 | bertrik | xqtftqx, I'll have a look |
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| 00:17:10 | bertrik | xqtftqx, I don't have enough information to look into that bug, apparently the 'multifont' patch added some arguments to the font_load and font_reset methods, but I don't know what argument exactly |
| 00:17:24 | bertrik | s/bug/problem/ |
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| 00:19:45 | | Quit terrence1019 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") |
| 00:21:57 | bertrik | it seems on the lines you mentioned, you need to add an argument FONT_UI |
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| 00:27:13 | MU{lappy} | so, it looks like the PRNG used in rockbox is mersenne twister... it also looks like there's a SIMD-based improved version that's faster, even on CPUs w/o actual SIMD instructions, using SWAR. any thought about using SFMT instead of MT? |
| 00:27:51 | stripwax_ | is PRNG really used in performance-critical code? |
| 00:27:54 | stripwax_ | (in rockbox) |
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| 00:29:02 | MU{lappy} | it is if i ever get to porting sbagen. also, SFMT apparently has better properties w/ regard to randomness |
| 00:29:06 | xqtftqx | bertrik: what do you mean, yeah it adds a argument to the font_load to tell it to load the diffrent font |
| 00:29:13 | MU{lappy} | "SFMT is roughly twice faster than the original Mersenne Twister, and has a better equidistibution property, as well as a quicker recovery from zero-excess initial state." |
| 00:29:25 | xqtftqx | Oh, he left |
| 00:31:24 | MU{lappy} | anyway, white-noise and pink-noise generation eats a lot of random numbers - one per sample for white, about two per sample for pink |
| 00:32:25 | stripwax_ | MU{lappy} - you can probably still use a very simple rng for generating coloured noise, and there are simpler ones than mersenne for that |
| 00:34:03 | MU{lappy} | maybe i should compare code size for the two versions. if it doesn't bloat code much, or need more state, i don't see any reason not to replace MT w/ SFMT? |
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| 00:37:46 | stripwax_ | not sure, rockbox records the random seed for shuffle so replacing the rng means you recover a different sequence. probably not such a big deal |
| 00:37:57 | * | Nico_P goes to bed without having managed to commit |
| 00:38:04 | Nico_P | I'll try again tomorrow |
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| 00:38:25 | MU{lappy} | records the seed? what, so you can get the same shuffle again? |
| 00:38:55 | Zagor | MU{lappy}: yes |
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| 00:40:02 | mcuelenaere | terrence1019: (for the logs, if you would ever read them) about those links you gave me, they are already in the wiki |
| 00:41:18 | xqtftqx | Huh, theres a euroconverter plugin? |
| 00:41:58 | stripwax_ | xqtftqx - is that a statement or a question? :) |
| 00:42:19 | xqtftqx | question sorta, i see it here, does it rs?un on any target |
| 00:42:27 | xqtftqx | does it run on any targets?* |
| 00:42:45 | amiconn | It runs on the Player (only) |
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| 00:43:19 | xqtftqx | "The Player"? Sorry, but which DAPs does it come with? |
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| 00:43:31 | Llorean | xqtftqx: "The Player" is a specific DAP |
| 00:43:36 | Llorean | The Archos Jukebox Player. |
| 00:43:37 | bluebrother | The player is an archos target |
| 00:43:53 | xqtftqx | Oh, why only the "Player" |
| 00:44:17 | bluebrother | 'cause archos named it that way? |
| 00:44:19 | scorche|sh | ...because it is called the Archos Player? |
| 00:44:23 | amiconn | It's written in a somewhat charcell specific way |
| 00:44:32 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ProjectGlossary#Player |
| 00:44:42 | amiconn | It's also there to make up for the lack of many other plugins on it |
| 00:44:43 | * | pixelma wonders why there's a need for an euroconverter still anyways |
| 00:45:03 | scorche|sh | eh? |
| 00:45:21 | xqtftqx | Chould i add it to run on other daps? |
| 00:45:23 | amiconn | It became pretty pointless anyway over time. The euro has been around for > 7 years now (iirc) |
| 00:46:16 | amiconn | Sorry, > 6 years |
| 00:46:18 | bertrik | since 1 jan 2002 |
| 00:46:51 | xqtftqx | But chould i tell it to build with the gigabeat? |
| 00:46:58 | xqtftqx | and whould it work] |
| 00:47:36 | bluebrother | the maths would work :) |
| 00:47:39 | Llorean | xqtftqx: Try it? |
| 00:48:02 | xqtftqx | Im trying now |
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| 00:48:44 | xqtftqx | Ill probly change the currency to dollars though |
| 00:48:45 | stripwax_ | It sounds fairly pointless, and could just be removed from all DAPs, rather than adding to all builds. |
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| 00:49:09 | xqtftqx | Whould be nice if it was Dollars rather then euros |
| 00:49:18 | stripwax_ | Given that exchange rates change all the time, it's just as easy to use the calculator plugin, no? |
| 00:49:46 | pixelma | xqtftqx: but the dollar has an ever changing exchange rate... |
| 00:50:15 | gevaerts | Is that a problem ? A random generator should be able to handle that |
| 00:50:29 | * | stripwax_ splutters |
| 00:50:33 | stripwax_ | :) |
| 00:50:40 | xqtftqx | pixelma: Sorry, confused for a second |
| 00:51:12 | xqtftqx | Wow, im looking now and a whole lot of patchs have been added |
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| 00:51:43 | xqtftqx | Wait, why isnt there a bmp viewer? |
| 00:51:53 | xqtftqx | It chould be done as simple as 12 minutes |
| 00:52:08 | pixelma | then do it |
| 00:52:09 | * | gevaerts invites xqtftqx to spend 12 minutes on it |
| 00:52:21 | * | B4gder starts the timer |
| 00:52:24 | xqtftqx | As soon as im done with this build |
| 00:52:33 | pixelma | lame excuses |
| 00:52:34 | * | B4gder adds 4 minutes to the timer |
| 00:53:16 | stripwax_ | you can load bmp into rockpaint, or backdrop |
| 00:53:30 | xqtftqx | Exactly the code is all there |
| 00:53:32 | * | dionoea was about to mention rockpaint too |
| 00:53:49 | stripwax_ | Um, I meant, it can already do it.. why would you need another viewer? |
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| 00:54:06 | gevaerts | And actually there is a bmp viewer. It even does slideshows. All you need to do is name them cover.bmp |
| 00:54:10 | Llorean | stripwax_: To be fair, it'd be nice to have the slideshow function BMP, but that just means jpegviewer needs to be imageviewer |
| 00:54:13 | dionoea | The only thing rockpaint can't do is scale images |
| 00:54:15 | Llorean | gevaerts: Quite true |
| 00:54:34 | dionoea | And yeah, missing slide show stuff |
| 00:54:36 | stripwax_ | Llorean - mm, but now there's a photo gallery patch.. |
| 00:54:37 | xqtftqx | Yeah, that chould be where part of the bmp resize app comes in |
| 00:54:42 | pixelma | it only works for greyscale + colour targets |
| 00:55:19 | pixelma | a bmp viewer could be able to work on monochrome displays too with the help of the greylib |
| 00:55:39 | pixelma | but that might take a little longer than 12 minutes... |
| 00:55:49 | * | stripwax_ smiles |
| 00:55:52 | B4gder | want me to add another 4? ;-) |
| 00:56:04 | * | dionoea thought that rockpaint only worked on colour displays, not greyscale ones |
| 00:56:15 | xqtftqx | I was saying a normal viewer with resize nor grayscale support |
| 00:57:03 | PaulJam | Llorean: it is good that you asked me for any remaining major bugs, i just rememebered that i had a freeze issue that i wanted to try to reproduce in the official build. |
| 00:57:06 | pixelma | dionoea: yes, but album art works on greyscale too though it just uses the 4 grey |
| 00:57:08 | pixelma | s |
| 00:57:14 | Genre9mp3 | B4gder: it's all a matter of minutes... how many will eventualy be needed for 3.0? :P |
| 00:57:27 | xqtftqx | :) |
| 00:57:42 | B4gder | more than 4? |
| 00:57:45 | B4gder | darn |
| 00:57:54 | xqtftqx | lets say 400 |
| 00:58:05 | xqtftqx | lets say 4000* |
| 00:59:25 | Llorean | PaulJam: Let me know if you manage to, and I'll add it to one of the lists (doesn't sound critical if we don't have others screaming about it too, but we'll see and there are plenty of other lists of bugs after the criticals are done) |
| 00:59:57 | xqtftqx | for a bmp viewer you chould take out the zoom,and slideshow and add it to rockpaint with the painting |
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| 01:00:17 | xqtftqx | take the zoom and slideshow from jpeg* |
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| 01:00:37 | Llorean | xqtftqx: Actually you can't take the zoom from jpeg. But feel free to post a patch. |
| 01:00:59 | xqtftqx | Ok, ill work on it a little later |
| 01:01:27 | PaulJam | Llorean: it seems to be reproduceable, but it requires some switching between db and filebrowser which you usually don't do so often. |
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| 01:01:57 | PaulJam | i'll just open a task and let others decide about the severity. |
| 01:02:01 | Llorean | PaulJam: So probably on the list of "it'd be really nice to see this gone" (in my mind every freeze is major, but if it's not likely to interfere with several users, not dead critical) |
| 01:02:06 | Llorean | Yeah, open a task. :) |
| 01:02:33 | xqtftqx | Whats the test_codec plugin |
| 01:02:54 | B4gder | what do you think it is? |
| 01:03:29 | Genre9mp3 | What is going to happen with "GPLv2 only" code in Rockbox? Will get rewritten? If that's the case, is that intended to happen before 3.0? |
| 01:03:29 | B4gder | I think the name is quite revealing |
| 01:03:45 | B4gder | Genre9mp3: yes, and hopefully |
| 01:03:50 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: Yes it will be rewritten. No it's not a blocker for 3.0, though it'd be nice. |
| 01:04:03 | Llorean | Or, what he said |
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| 01:05:40 | * | bluebrother suggests not counting the needed manpower until 3.0 in minutes |
| 01:07:47 | B4gder | we use the regular rockbox currency instead |
| 01:07:50 | B4gder | beer! |
| 01:08:56 | Domonoky | so how much beer is needed till 3.0 :-) |
| 01:09:29 | scorche|sh | that depends on who is drinking it ;) |
| 01:09:32 | Llorean | "All of it" |
| 01:10:26 | bluebrother | Domonoky: do you know the upper limit for the drive number on w32? |
| 01:10:33 | bluebrother | 26? |
| 01:11:28 | Genre9mp3 | Do we have a new codename for 3.0 or is it still "Mayday"? |
| 01:11:41 | Llorean | We haven't yet decided. |
| 01:12:12 | Llorean | Though it's not particularly appropriate here. |
| 01:12:39 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: indeed... 3.0 was originally planned for 1st of May 2006, right? |
| 01:13:09 | Domonoky | bluebrother: correct |
| 01:13:19 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: Something like that |
| 01:13:33 | B4gder | that means we won't make it to the 26 months delayed anniversary |
| 01:13:56 | Llorean | Once we can do a feature freeze, we can look for a holiday-based codename |
| 01:14:18 | Llorean | Maybe whoever comes up with the best codename gets automatic immunity from being stuck as Release Coordinator |
| 01:14:37 | B4gder | now we're talking |
| 01:15:04 | gevaerts | So who decides what the best codename is ? |
| 01:15:16 | Llorean | Public vote. |
| 01:15:33 | Genre9mp3 | gevaerts: RSB? |
| 01:15:40 | * | pixelma thoght the steering board... |
| 01:15:49 | pixelma | *thought too |
| 01:15:53 | Llorean | No, they might be potential RCs. |
| 01:16:01 | * | Llorean doesn't think the jobs are mutually exclusive. :-P |
| 01:16:46 | scorche|sh | "Puce Wombat"! |
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| 01:17:31 | gevaerts | "Brick Building" |
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| 01:22:34 | LinusN | codename "Bag'o'Shit" |
| 01:22:46 | pixelma | yes! |
| 01:23:28 | LinusN | it conveys a certain degree of confidence in the product |
| 01:23:30 | bluebrother | \o/ |
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| 01:24:21 | * | gevaerts tries to attach a file on the wiki but fails |
| 01:24:42 | bluebrother | LinusN: what product? |
| 01:24:52 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 01:25:26 | LinusN | what confidence? :-) |
| 01:26:41 | bertrik | "Just another brick in the wall" |
| 01:26:46 | PaulJam | What's wrong with the old codename? |
| 01:26:52 | bertrik | "Rock boxem forever" |
| 01:27:08 | gevaerts | what confidence indeed ? |
| 01:27:22 | Llorean | bertrik: So, we're expecting a release in in 2015 then. |
| 01:27:28 | bluebrother | "The never done release" |
| 01:27:29 | ZincAlloy | "chinese democracy" |
| 01:27:49 | bluebrother | "faster! bigger! better!" |
| 01:27:59 | bertrik | Llorean, it will be out *next year*, promise! |
| 01:28:03 | gevaerts | bigger ? |
| 01:28:17 | bluebrother | LinusN: or ... "all your bricks do belong to us" ;-) |
| 01:28:24 | Genre9mp3 | and "uncut" I suppose? :P |
| 01:28:39 | Llorean | "It plays music." |
| 01:28:42 | ZincAlloy | "berlin brickwall" |
| 01:28:43 | Genre9mp3 | "Brick 'em all" |
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| 01:29:13 | B4gder | "100% fat-free" |
| 01:29:30 | ZincAlloy | "with real cheese" |
| 01:29:47 | LinusN | "ohne alles" |
| 01:29:48 | * | gevaerts accuses B4gder of lying |
| 01:29:50 | Domonoky | "rocks for sure" :-) |
| 01:29:59 | gevaerts | It does have fat |
| 01:30:01 | LinusN | bricks for sure |
| 01:31:30 | B4gder | "VAT-free" then? ;-) |
| 01:31:47 | gevaerts | Are you sure about that ? |
| 01:32:04 | B4gder | at this hour I'm not sure about anything... |
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| 01:33:11 | ZincAlloy | "delayed delivery" |
| 01:35:34 | bluebrother | B4gder: "meat only" ;-) |
| 01:35:56 | bluebrother | LinusN: wenn dann aber "Döner mit alles" :) |
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| 01:38:14 | bluebrother | but most likely only a few of our users will understand that |
| 01:38:32 | LinusN | there is a small risk, yes |
| 01:38:53 | gevaerts | "the larch" |
| 01:39:15 | pixelma | that's a bit like the "famous" swedish kebab song... |
| 01:39:18 | * | bluebrother can now resolve UNC disc paths to a drive letter |
| 01:40:19 | pixelma | but also not all users can understand that |
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| 01:44:41 | * | gevaerts found a way to crash his s30 |
| 01:45:41 | * | bluebrother curses stupid vm making problems with usb connections |
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| 01:46:02 | bluebrother | ... and now it even checks the filesystem on my Ipod :o |
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| 01:49:03 | petur | http://www.dailymotion.com/peturbox/video/x5y6vq_towerofrockbox_tech |
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| 01:53:26 | Genre9mp3 | so in the video we can see how Rockbox devs treat daps as if they were bricks... nice! |
| 01:53:52 | gevaerts | Why wouldn't we ? Users seem to consider them all as bricks |
| 01:54:25 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: We've bricked more players than our users have, then. |
| 01:54:42 | Genre9mp3 | haha |
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| 01:55:30 | pixelma | but not as many as users believe... |
| 01:55:59 | gevaerts | Today's total was only 59 |
| 01:56:13 | Genre9mp3 | "only"? |
| 01:56:57 | gevaerts | Count them yourself :) |
| 01:57:36 | Genre9mp3 | gevaerts: very hard task! |
| 01:58:16 | gevaerts | Genre9mp3: this is the lot : gevaerts.be/main.php?g2_itemId=51610">http://fotos.gevaerts.be/main.php?g2_itemId=51610 |
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| 02:00:43 | bluebrother | someone needs to put a statistic up separating by model ;-) |
| 02:01:12 | PaulJam | what was the player at the top of the tower? |
| 02:01:30 | * | gevaerts doesn't tell :) |
| 02:02:53 | gevaerts | Actually that one is a port in progress |
| 02:02:59 | pixelma | maybe you can find something in the wiki... ;) |
| 02:03:08 | Genre9mp3 | T60? |
| 02:03:17 | LinusN | noone finds anything in the wiki |
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| 02:03:37 | pixelma | what's a wiki anyway? |
| 02:04:03 | bluebrother | that's the think Zagor is doing funny changes to this day |
| 02:04:35 | Genre9mp3 | eer.. T10 I meant |
| 02:04:42 | pixelma | nope |
| 02:07:15 | PaulJam | ah, found it. |
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| 02:13:50 | gevaerts | So which is it ? ;) |
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| 02:24:24 | pixelma | 7part |
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| 02:56:45 | Belphemon\\ | hey |
| 02:57:04 | Belphemon\\ | Im consedering purchasing an archos 605 wifi |
| 02:57:17 | Belphemon\\ | and I want to know if rockbox is compatible |
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| 02:57:56 | advcomp2019 | Belphemon\\, you can read the home page and see if it is |
| 02:58:08 | Belphemon\\ | It is not ;_; |
| 02:58:34 | advcomp2019 | unless you are going to make |
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| 03:31:16 | jr50 | I have a question about the WPS on my themes |
| 03:31:52 | jr50 | No matter which theme I download, I cant get the WPS to work on any of them |
| 03:33:10 | MU{lappy} | there was a change in wps recently related to progress bar display, no? |
| 03:33:56 | jr50 | well i when i play music all i See is the menu backdrop |
| 03:34:26 | MU{lappy} | http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html <- scroll down to r17759 |
| 03:35:01 | MU{lappy} | ... also would it be possible to do id=revnum for the <tr>s? ;) |
| 03:35:13 | jr50 | i dont understand |
| 03:36:35 | jr50 | so is there anyway to fix this |
| 03:36:46 | MU{lappy} | i am saying that WPS changed recently, and it will break old WPS files. there is a script linked in the revision notes for converting old WPS files. |
| 03:38:12 | jr50 | how do you use the script |
| 03:39:12 | jr50 | ?? |
| 03:39:45 | MU{lappy} | looks like r17763 changed something, too |
| 03:40:28 | MU{lappy} | and you run the script with perl |
| 03:40:38 | jr50 | perl ? |
| 03:41:54 | MU{lappy} | this is getting into off-topic territory, really. perl is a scripting language, use google to find out how to get a copy for whatever OS you're using. or convert the WPS by hand in a text editor. |
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| 03:44:17 | MU{lappy} | maybe should've just said "ask the author of the WPS to update it" |
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| 03:51:47 | MU{lappy} | ok, i see that some of playlist.c relies on being able to produce the "same" shuffled list again by using a saved seed... so, yeah, changing the PRNG might make such cases load "wrong". i'll look at just using something simple/fast for PRNG inside pink noise gen |
| 03:58:25 | MU{lappy} | i see a few different places that use various combinations of tick or time to seed the PRNG... would it maybe be a good idea to implement one auto_srand(), or perhaps to have srand generate a seed when a certain magic value is passed, 0 for example? |
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| 04:01:13 | JdGordon | why? |
| 04:03:37 | MU{lappy} | to replace multiple differing chunks of code w/ calls to one function? |
| 04:04:58 | MU{lappy} | if you grep the source tree, there are ~40-50 calls to srand, most of which have their own code to produce a seed |
| 04:07:31 | MU{lappy} | a lot use current_tick, some try to generate it from current time |
| 04:08:27 | MU{lappy} | fireworks appears to re-seed w/ current_tick * i for each explosion it sets off |
| 04:09:37 | MU{lappy} | erm, for each point in the explosion, actually, looking more closely |
| 04:12:43 | JdGordon | ok, so whats the real problem? everything doing it its own may makes it more random |
| 04:15:46 | MU{lappy} | i don't think it seriously effects performance or function, but it's code duplication, and i just don't see a reason not to have exactly one formula that's implemented in one place and called as needed. |
| 04:16:27 | MU{lappy} | they're all using some sort of unpredictable variable based on the passage of time, so having multiple implementations doesn't actually do anything to improve randomness. |
| 04:18:10 | MU{lappy} | i'm not looking to step on anybody's toes, it's just something where i think a small improvement could easily be made, that i happened to stumble across. |
| 04:21:52 | JdGordon | I dont think its really worth the effort |
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| 04:32:44 | MU{lappy} | i was kind of suggesting i could provide the effort, since it's not a very difficult task. |
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| 04:35:59 | MU{lappy} | more of a would-anybody-consider-applying-it than a would-somebody-else-write-it question |
| 04:37:35 | JdGordon | well... the other thing is we try to have POSIX like functinos where posible.. and I guess srand/rand fit into that also.. |
| 04:39:43 | MU{lappy} | and maintaining a familiar interface sounds like a good enough reason to me, then, i won't bother. |
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| 04:41:57 | MU{lappy} | the only other thing about the RNG i might think about improving is offering an alternate seed function w/ larger seed sizes. that would mainly benefit shuffling, since it doesn't take a very long list of items to have more than 2**32 possible orderings, and therefore orderings that can never happen because of seed size |
| 04:42:15 | MU{lappy} | but *that* is a much tougher job, because you'd need a good source for large seeds, then. |
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| 05:00:01 | shadoxx | I think I got a crap Sansa. :-\ |
| 05:01:25 | JdGordon | v2? |
| 05:01:51 | shadoxx | No. It just doesn't want me to copy files to the recovery partition |
| 05:02:04 | shadoxx | i put it into recovery mode, go to copy the .mi4 file, and it locks up |
| 05:04:32 | shadoxx | that's on my windows box though. I just put it on my laptop, and it seems to be doing fine |
| 05:04:37 | shadoxx | key word seems |
| 05:07:33 | shadoxx | nope |
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| 05:07:40 | shadoxx | I'm pretty sure it's a brick now. Crap |
| 05:08:35 | advcomp2019 | shadoxx, are you sure.. what is doing right now |
| 05:08:58 | shadoxx | Well, the nav button lights are blue, and the screen is blank |
| 05:09:06 | shadoxx | and it's not registering as any kind of device |
| 05:09:37 | shadoxx | ]wait no |
| 05:09:38 | advcomp2019 | that is manufacturing mode.. you will need to use the e200tool |
| 05:10:00 | shadoxx | i just got it to go to recovery mode again |
| 05:10:59 | shadoxx | now it keeps saying LUN0 locked, LUN0 unlocked |
| 05:11:11 | shadoxx | after i put the firmware.mi4 file on the recovery partition |
| 05:12:09 | advcomp2019 | you have a e200 or c200? |
| 05:12:25 | shadoxx | c250 |
| 05:12:30 | shadoxx | so c200 |
| 05:13:49 | advcomp2019 | o ok.. that should work.. i am not sure what is going on myself then |
| 05:14:16 | shadoxx | meh |
| 05:14:41 | shadoxx | now it's doing that thing again, where there's just a black display, with the nav lights lit up |
| 05:20:54 | shadoxx | ok, firmware.mi4 is still there |
| 05:20:59 | shadoxx | on the recovery partition |
| 05:21:09 | shadoxx | how do i get the sansa to update itself using that firmware image? |
| 05:21:16 | krazykit | unplug it |
| 05:22:08 | shadoxx | lol let me put the battery back in |
| 05:22:52 | shadoxx | Then, is there any kind of indication that's it's updating? |
| 05:23:27 | advcomp2019 | the screen might say updating |
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| 05:25:36 | shadoxx | Meh. Still nothing. It just keeps locking up. :-\ |
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| 05:26:07 | shadoxx | What does e200tool do? |
| 05:27:09 | krazykit | it allows you to manipulate your e/c200 in manufacturer mode; you'd use it to load the bootloader so you can get into recovery mode |
| 05:27:37 | shadoxx | Any possible way the locking up could be a bad flash? |
| 05:27:55 | shadoxx | It's a refurb off of Woot |
| 05:28:34 | krazykit | could be. if you want to be thorough, reload the bootloader (put the bootloader file in the recovery mode partition), let it update, put it back into recovery mode and put in the firmware.mi4 |
| 05:28:49 | shadoxx | bootloader is the .bin file right? |
| 05:30:02 | krazykit | not as far as i know |
| 05:30:05 | JdGordon | no |
| 05:30:13 | krazykit | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/c200/pribootLoader.rom |
| 05:30:17 | shadoxx | yeah, the .rom file |
| 05:31:45 | shadoxx | hah, yes! looks like it had a bad bootloader on it |
| 05:34:03 | shadoxx | Still randomly locking up though |
| 05:34:19 | shadoxx | And there's no option for MSC mode |
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| 05:35:46 | shadoxx | I think the internal flash might be bad |
| 05:35:51 | shadoxx | As in, the chip itself. |
| 05:36:01 | shadoxx | There's no reason it should be doing this. |
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| 05:42:23 | krazykit | shadoxx, that's certainly a possibility. |
| 05:42:35 | shadoxx | I've done everything right twice over |
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| 05:46:03 | shadoxx | Anyone happen to know what LUN0 locked/unlocked means? |
| 05:46:13 | krazykit | it means nothing at all |
| 05:46:19 | shadoxx | k |
| 05:47:17 | shadoxx | i think i just got a crappy refurb |
| 05:47:52 | advcomp2019 | depends tho |
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| 05:58:42 | shadoxx | I'm just gonna contact the RMA department at Woot! |
| 05:58:50 | shadoxx | Thanks all your help guys. :D |
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| 07:01:44 | JUSTWJX | Oh,dear God,the people in Meizu official BBS are all dying for the great RockBox Firmware~~:) |
| 07:02:19 | Belphemon\\ | xD |
| 07:03:25 | wpyh | :D |
| 07:03:46 | * | wpyh doesn't believe in god or sky |
| 07:03:51 | * | wpyh believes in GodEater |
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| 07:06:04 | JUSTWJX | your RB team may do not see the passion of us~ |
| 07:06:28 | JUSTWJX | any topic of RB will be very very hot in the official BBS |
| 07:06:49 | JUSTWJX | :-D |
| 07:08:59 | JUSTWJX | anyhow it's the best way to let Chinese users know the RB~ |
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| 07:11:57 | wpyh | yeah, we hope M6 gets supported soon :) |
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| 07:13:38 | JUSTWJX | :'( |
| 07:15:35 | Belphemon\\ | I just got back from a scout camp |
| 07:15:45 | Belphemon\\ | and some kid had Rockbox installed on his iPod |
| 07:16:01 | Belphemon\\ | He was playing counter strike ... and pokemon gold? |
| 07:16:06 | Belphemon\\ | I came brix |
| 07:16:08 | Belphemon\\ | and googled |
| 07:16:57 | JUSTWJX | so intersting |
| 07:17:14 | shadoxx | Wait, counter strike on iPod? |
| 07:17:26 | JUSTWJX | so crazy |
| 07:20:25 | JUSTWJX | http://www.meizu.com/bbs/query.asp?stype=2&pSearch=&nSearch=&boardid=57&SearchDate=&keyword=rockbox&s=&isWeb=1&stable=Dv_bbs3&action=&page=1 |
| 07:20:26 | JUSTWJX | look up the serch result about RB in the Meizu official BBS,although it is in Chinese,you still can learn the popularity of RB...... |
| 07:20:29 | * | wpyh thinks he mistook it for DOOM |
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| 07:20:32 | enterusername | hi |
| 07:20:41 | enterusername | does USB storage work with Sansa e280 yet? |
| 07:21:57 | JUSTWJX | ;-) |
| 07:22:00 | JUSTWJX | the webmaster maybe are not in this room~ |
| 07:22:25 | Belphemon\\ | No |
| 07:22:27 | Belphemon\\ | it wasnt doom |
| 07:22:57 | advcomp2019 | enterusername, not yet as far as i know |
| 07:23:40 | enterusername | even in CVS? |
| 07:23:56 | enterusername | I saw some posts about storage and how its somewhat working in the "ports" tree |
| 07:24:53 | enterusername | well last time i looked they were somewhat working so im guessing its at the same state :) |
| 07:25:08 | advcomp2019 | yea but i will get you a link |
| 07:27:21 | unpaidbill | does rockbox have any app for it that will keep a golf score? |
| 07:27:25 | unpaidbill | because that would be rockin |
| 07:27:48 | advcomp2019 | enterusername, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb |
| 07:29:00 | enterusername | thanx advcomp2019 |
| 07:29:04 | enterusername | love the link |
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| 07:41:55 | * | JUSTWJX :'( M6 |
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| 07:44:57 | Belphemon\\ | :| |
| 07:46:12 | Llorean | JdGordon: I'm not really sure what statements on bookmarks you really disagreed with? We all agreed that how they work right now kinda sucks, but we only really got to "the most important thing, really, is making them work everywhere, anything else would be bonus" |
| 07:46:45 | Llorean | JdGordon: As for show stoppers for a release, as long as all the screens are usable normally, I'm pretty sure viewports isn't considered one. |
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| 07:50:17 | JdGordon | Llorean: well... i was listening at like 2am so i might have remembered it wrong :p I thought I remembered everyone wanting to replace the bookamrk with a m3u? |
| 07:50:27 | Llorean | No |
| 07:50:34 | Llorean | That was one of the proposed ideas. |
| 07:51:05 | Llorean | But not a final decision or anything. Just a "bookmarks could contain a playlist so that you always have a list of the files to resume" |
| 07:51:13 | JdGordon | ah ok then |
| 07:51:58 | Llorean | The main consensus was "it needs to work better, and not be different, as users shouldn't have to care if it's a static or dynamic playlist, or if they've inserted songs from another folder, or if they used database for some/all" |
| 07:52:14 | Llorean | I imagine any halfway decent patch that does that will get looked at pretty quickly |
| 07:52:47 | JdGordon | anyone there interested in figuring out how to make the DB position be saveable? |
| 07:53:00 | Llorean | Didn't get brought up |
| 07:56:36 | JdGordon | Llorean: also, I was surprised by the menu reordering answer... I thought you wanted to sort that out (at least get a workable solution) during the con? |
| 07:59:40 | Llorean | I do want to sort it out. Badly |
| 07:59:47 | Llorean | But I also realize that there's too much on the table, and not enough time. |
| 07:59:54 | Llorean | And you can argue about it _forever_ |
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| 08:00:22 | Belphemon\\ | urrg |
| 08:00:24 | Llorean | A much, much better solution is just to say "If you want it reorganized, come up with a patch so people can actually try it, then try to sell the patch" |
| 08:00:30 | Belphemon\\ | I have a sword hatred against apple |
| 08:00:48 | Llorean | Belphemon\\: And that really is off-topic in here. We're not concerned about the OF except when it directly relates to getting Rockbox working. |
| 08:01:31 | Belphemon\\ | but Now I wana get an ipod |
| 08:01:33 | Belphemon\\ | uh |
| 08:01:35 | Belphemon\\ | Okay.... |
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| 10:54:57 | PaulJam | Llorean: i was just wondering, what is your opinion about FS #8748 concerning 3.0? i could imagine that this could happen during regular use when someone just forgets to disable partymode (but in the other hand i haven't seen any reports from others about this problem). |
| 10:56:28 | Llorean | PaulJam: Well, the one comment can't reproduce it, but there's probably a decent chance it's actually related to the other playlist weirdness. |
| 10:56:56 | Llorean | Oh, misread the comment |
| 10:57:03 | Llorean | But still, let's see if the other playlist fix fixes it |
| 10:57:05 | * | JdGordon reckons the end of the playlist should disable party mode so that doesnt happen |
| 10:57:06 | pixelma | yay... I "like" the stats plugin change, especially considering that I just updated the documentation last week to say "/me "likes" the stats plugin commit... especially since the addition of "Press Button X to abort counting and exit the plugin. Press any key to quit after counting has finished."... :\ |
| 10:57:33 | pixelma | oops |
| 10:57:35 | Llorean | JdGordon: Party mode could be non-persistent across boots, so people never forget it's on. |
| 10:57:46 | pixelma | sorry for that "sentence" |
| 10:57:55 | PaulJam | JdGordon: actually i didn't let the playlist finish, but shut the device down. |
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| 10:58:34 | JdGordon | well... if there is music being resumed then its OK if its persisted.. but if your going to start up in the menus/browser it shouldnt be |
| 10:58:42 | JdGordon | but thats not very consistant |
| 10:58:52 | * | pixelma goes for another cup of coffee |
| 10:59:15 | JdGordon | PaulJam: seen the patch for the sleep timer and usb power bug? |
| 10:59:19 | Llorean | JdGordon: Arguably, a party-mode player should reject being shut down. |
| 10:59:42 | JdGordon | true |
| 10:59:46 | PaulJam | JdGordon: yes, but i haven't tried it yet. |
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| 11:00:45 | PaulJam | Llorean: but then you'd still have the low batt shutdown |
| 11:00:51 | JdGordon | anyway, that sounds like a bug in the playlist generation code |
| 11:01:16 | Llorean | PaulJam: Yes, but if you can't shut down in party mode, then having party mode not persist across boots makes perfect sense, since it should never be on at boot. ;) |
| 11:01:26 | Llorean | Doesn't mean, though, that current behaviour isn't indicative of a bug. It certainly is. |
| 11:01:36 | Llorean | I just kinda suspect it's in the same family as the current playlist weirdness bug. |
| 11:01:59 | bluebrother | Zagor: the blue bar at the top of the wiki pages is really nice. But the links in it are kinda hard readable due to the blue on blue thingy ... is that intended? |
| 11:02:33 | Zagor | no I'm intending to make them white like in the left menu |
| 11:02:57 | Zagor | I'm not the best with css though. feel free to help. |
| 11:03:38 | * | bluebrother goes taking a look while MinGW creates a break ... |
| 11:04:24 | Zagor | :) |
| 11:04:26 | PaulJam | Well, i don't usually use partymode, so i don't know what the desired behaviour across boots would be. (i actually used it only once to prevent a friend from changing the song and he tried to be smart by restarting the player and selecting another song :) ) |
| 11:04:53 | pixelma | JdGordon: mind updating the stats.tex for the manual then? ;) |
| 11:05:12 | gevaerts | partymode is defined as 'never stop playing, whatever happens'. That somehow implies ignoring shutdown requests |
| 11:05:17 | Llorean | PaulJam: Yeah, "What should party mode do" can be discussed some other time, maybe once we have some people who use it to comment. :) |
| 11:05:44 | JdGordon | pixelma: I can tihnk of one or two other things I'd rather be doing :p |
| 11:05:58 | JdGordon | also, I cant build the manual here, and dont know latex... |
| 11:06:40 | Zagor | as the author of party mode, I can say I didn't intend for it to be persistent across boots. I thought that would risk causing a lot of grief. |
| 11:07:56 | pixelma | you would only need to rephrase 1 (or 2 sentences) no latex involved there, setting up the build environment to be able to build manuals is not hard, especially under linux |
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| 11:09:06 | t0mas | hi guys :) |
| 11:09:29 | JdGordon | pixelma: stats.tex line 13.... s/any key/it again |
| 11:10:30 | pixelma | hehe that could work... |
| 11:11:05 | pixelma | JdGordon: want to commit it yourself? |
| 11:11:37 | JdGordon | not really... that will make you expect me to fix the manual more often :p |
| 11:11:42 | JdGordon | but yeah... commiting |
| 11:18:08 | JdGordon | well this is odd.... my e200 just crashed in the OF disconnecting from usb! |
| 11:18:37 | pixelma | thanks |
| 11:19:01 | gevaerts | You mean the OF has bugs? How awful! |
| 11:19:15 | JdGordon | :) |
| 11:19:31 | * | JdGordon sets a 5 min sleep timer and runs off for a while |
| 11:21:34 | PaulJam | btw, is the non existent USB in rockbox for PP targets a 3.0 issue? |
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| 11:24:46 | bertrik | IMHO, it is not a major issue, because booting the OF for USB and charging is a very useable work-around. Especially with the provisions in the bootloader to automatically boot OF on power up from USB and the clearing of the database refresh bit. |
| 11:25:17 | bertrik | (was talking about sansa c200/e200) |
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| 11:31:56 | Llorean | PaulJam: No. |
| 11:32:08 | Llorean | PaulJam: We've defined blockers as "things that prevent normal use" |
| 11:32:19 | Llorean | We'd LIKE USB, but it won't prevent a release |
| 11:32:44 | PaulJam | ok |
| 11:34:10 | Llorean | The goal is to see that any really major bugs are fixed, then spend a period concentrating on as much bug fixes with the other stuff as possible, then if there are features / plugins / codecs that don't work "well enough" we remove them entirely for the release version. |
| 11:34:22 | Llorean | A release doesn't need every "testing" feature, just the ones that work above a certain level of reliability |
| 11:36:46 | petur | group picture(s) online! |
| 11:38:12 | gevaerts | Also goup pictures apparently |
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| 11:42:02 | amiconn | bertrik: Imo we should also add usb detection to the ipod bootloaders then |
| 11:42:31 | Llorean | amiconn: I think we should. |
| 11:43:05 | Llorean | I'd like all bootloaders (when practical )to either have bootloader USB or, when USB isn't available to boot some form of disk mode instead of Rockbox. |
| 11:43:54 | amiconn | Same for the 1st 4th gen ipod bootloaders (including minis) and firewire |
| 11:43:59 | amiconn | 1st..4th |
| 11:44:17 | Llorean | Yes, substitute "USB" with "appropriate means of connection with the host" |
| 11:44:37 | PaulJam | JdGordon: (when you are back) the patch for sleep timer while USB charging seems to work here with my H300. |
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| 11:44:48 | JdGordon | PaulJam: :) just commited it |
| 11:44:53 | JdGordon | tested on my e200 and worked fine |
| 11:45:36 | amiconn | Llorean: There'll be a bit of inconsistency once we add bootloader usb for PP - handle usb in the bootloader, but boot to OF for firewire |
| 11:45:49 | amiconn | (unless we learn how to do firewire ourselves as well) |
| 11:46:19 | JdGordon | is it possible to get the bootloaders to pass their version to the main binary? |
| 11:46:25 | Llorean | amiconn: Not ideal, but at least it'll be consistent in terms of "if you have a cable plugged in, you don't go into Rockbox itself" |
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| 11:46:43 | bertrik | amiconn, I have no idea how the bootloader currently works for ipods, but I really like the way it works now for the sansas |
| 11:47:29 | amiconn | It boots to rockbox by default, and it detects 2 different buttons for booting either into OF or ipodlinux |
| 11:47:48 | amiconn | No USB or firewire detection yet |
| 11:47:58 | JdGordon | Domonoky: you wanted someone with an OSX box to build rbutil? |
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| 11:48:34 | amiconn | So without rockbox usb it's rather annoying to boot an ipod by plugging usb/fw: Rockbox bootloader boots rockbox, rockbox detects usb/fw, and reboots into diskmode |
| 11:48:42 | Domonoky | JdGordon: yes, rbutil for OSX is one version behind.. but mak |
| 11:49:04 | Domonoky | make sure to build a staticbuild... |
| 11:49:14 | JdGordon | Domonoky: do you want access to my osx box so you can build it whenever its needed? |
| 11:51:10 | Domonoky | JdGordon: sounds good.. :-) |
| 11:51:59 | B4gder | devcon talk in 9 minutes, 12:00 CEST! |
| 11:52:22 | JdGordon | expect lots of funny typos again :) |
| 11:53:07 | bluebrother | there is a patch in the tracker around that implements usb bootloader for ipods |
| 11:53:49 | JdGordon | Domonoky: pm me a user/pass combo |
| 11:54:01 | JdGordon | which you can of course change once you login... |
| 11:54:33 | * | bluebrother is annoyed by rbutil's sansapatcher not detecting the sansa :( |
| 11:55:18 | Llorean | bluebrother: When did that start? |
| 11:55:43 | bluebrother | no idea ... I guess my recent changes to sansapatchers are to blame |
| 11:56:36 | Llorean | Ah |
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| 11:59:11 | Genre9mp3 | we'll also have sound at 12:00 CEST? |
| 11:59:23 | bluebrother | Llorean: interestingly it works fine with ipodpatcher. |
| 11:59:34 | Llorean | Weird |
| 11:59:44 | bluebrother | I assume it's kinda related to this "windows needs this buffer to be aligned" comment in the sources |
| 11:59:55 | Llorean | Ah |
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| 12:00:59 | Genre9mp3 | yay! Sound! |
| 12:01:11 | Llorean | Yes. Incoming serious business. :-P |
| 12:01:58 | B4gder | meeting time |
| 12:02:05 | B4gder | recording enabled |
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| 12:05:00 | markun | Genre9mp3: is the audio loud enough? |
| 12:05:41 | Genre9mp3 | markun: loud and clear! :) |
| 12:07:50 | markun | good :) |
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| 12:09:17 | Genre9mp3 | markun: there's a 3-4s lag... I saw you typing "good" some secs later on ustream :) |
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| 12:14:28 | * | Genre9mp3 likes the "screw the users" idea! :) |
| 12:15:56 | Llorean | :-P |
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| 12:22:07 | funman | hello |
| 12:22:22 | Genre9mp3 | hi |
| 12:23:17 | JdGordon | we do need _somewhere_ that users can request stuff.... |
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| 12:24:02 | petur | JdGordon: a new subforum... |
| 12:24:08 | pixelma | Llorean: maybe login as "DevCon" so someone could ping you? |
| 12:24:16 | Llorean | They can just ping me-me. |
| 12:24:18 | pixelma | or us |
| 12:24:21 | Llorean | Indeed |
| 12:24:24 | petur | me me me |
| 12:24:27 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 12:24:55 | * | pixelma can't see a me-me around |
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| 12:25:40 | scorche|sh | hrm...rockboxdev.sh seems to be not working properly...or i did something wrong... |
| 12:26:18 | JdGordon | did you fix your PATH? :D |
| 12:26:30 | * | scorche|sh slaps JdGordon |
| 12:27:02 | scorche|sh | no binaries are placed into /usr/local/*-elf/bin |
| 12:27:05 | funman | I own that kind of device: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CobyInfo and I'm trying to get the firmware from it |
| 12:27:11 | * | petur accepts money from JdGordon to slap scorche|sh |
| 12:27:27 | funman | I can put it in recovery mode, but I end up with an empty hard disk |
| 12:27:27 | * | scorche|sh ponders throwing his bottle at petur |
| 12:27:40 | petur | ha! it's only plastic |
| 12:27:44 | JdGordon | :) |
| 12:27:55 | JdGordon | scrap the manual! |
| 12:27:55 | funman | there is some tools available in the wild, but of course they are all for windows, without the source |
| 12:27:57 | * | scorche|sh hides |
| 12:27:58 | * | petur got a glass bottle |
| 12:28:07 | * | funman thinks he'll come back later .. :) |
| 12:29:51 | Genre9mp3 | users response to developers' RTFM...: UTFM! ;) |
| 12:30:22 | gevaerts | developers' response to that : please submit patches :) |
| 12:30:33 | funman | ;) |
| 12:30:37 | * | bluebrother slaps JdGordon with a set of manuals |
| 12:30:40 | JdGordon | the wiki or manual shold be autogenerated from the other... its too much effort to keep them both updated |
| 12:30:56 | gevaerts | What's in the manual doesn't need to be on the wiki |
| 12:30:59 | JdGordon | or the wiki's scope should stay with development stuff |
| 12:31:53 | funman | did the firmware loaders have been written from dumping USB traffic between the device and the genuine firmware loader from the constructor ? |
| 12:32:14 | funman | I mean rbutil/*patcher/ |
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| 12:33:05 | bertrik | funman, depends on the specific player, a lot of them are just standard USB mass storage |
| 12:33:12 | Domonoky | funman: no, they patch the original firmware which is on the drive (in a extra partition), so no need to sniff USB traffic... |
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| 12:33:30 | Tyro | hello |
| 12:33:39 | funman | they all seem to rely on the fact that the firmware is readable/writable from a standard disk partition on a mass storage device |
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| 12:34:37 | gevaerts | That is currently true, yes. I don't think it's a fundamental issue though |
| 12:34:42 | Domonoky | funman: it depends on the device... most have the firmware on the drive... but newer (upcomming) targets are different :-) |
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| 12:35:34 | funman | gevaerts: since my device has no partition, I'm a bit out of ideas :) |
| 12:36:02 | funman | I found that a lot of people already studied it however, but most of the interesting ressources are in chinese or polish |
| 12:36:16 | funman | so I have to use google translate, but it doesn't speak slang :) |
| 12:36:29 | bertrik | funman, I have some experience with reverse engineering proprietary USB protocols, so maybe I can help |
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| 12:36:57 | funman | bertrik: unfortunately I have no windows to run the original programs |
| 12:37:39 | funman | so unless you own this one: http://www.ecvv.com/offerdetail/I1082499.html that'd be very hard |
| 12:37:48 | bertrik | in that case it gets very hard for me to help you |
| 12:38:37 | B4gder | funman: normally we "attack" the upgrade procedure and figure it out from there |
| 12:38:37 | PaulJam | funman: maybe you could ask wpyh if he can help you translate the chinese resources. |
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| 12:39:19 | funman | B4gder: "attack" in which way ? |
| 12:39:33 | B4gder | trace it, analyze it |
| 12:39:39 | B4gder | reverse engineering |
| 12:39:47 | funman | right |
| 12:39:48 | bertrik | does the manufacturer offer a firmware upgrade online? |
| 12:40:34 | JdGordon | Llorean: cant we just stick the remote keymaps as an appendix? |
| 12:40:38 | funman | I found a user describing the update http://randomcontent.hopto.org/mp3player/loadingfw.html#1 with links to the software and firmware |
| 12:40:59 | Llorean | JdGordon: That's actually what I'm going to suggest as soon as they let me speak. :-P |
| 12:41:00 | funman | I found a firmware on the manufacturer site but it's 404 now |
| 12:41:02 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: What about "unofficial" remotes that actually work with Rockbox? (eg. h300 lcd remote on h100) should that be documented as well? |
| 12:41:14 | funman | and I threw the cd coming with the device o: |
| 12:41:17 | bertrik | funman, ah interesting, can you add those links to the wiki? |
| 12:41:53 | Tyro | hey, could someone do me a real favour? i patched the software but when i wanna compile it doesnt work.. can someone compile my patched rockbox for ´me plz? |
| 12:42:22 | scorche|sh | Tyro: define "doesnt work" |
| 12:42:32 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: Eh, dunno. |
| 12:42:34 | funman | bertrik: on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CobyInfo ? I'm not sure what "CobyInfo" means |
| 12:42:46 | funman | or maybe I should create a page with the name of the CPU |
| 12:42:47 | JdGordon | Llorean: hang on... whats the big deal about just putting an extra table next to the current one's? it will only affect a few of the manuals anyway |
| 12:43:00 | LinusN | i agree |
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| 12:45:02 | Tyro | when ill enter make i get the following message: make[1]: arm-elf-ggc: command not found |
| 12:45:20 | stripwax | ggc? does it say "gcc" ? |
| 12:45:21 | Domonoky | Tyro: you dont have the right compilers in your path... |
| 12:45:21 | scorche|sh | Tyro: you need to add it to your path as the script told you when it ended.. |
| 12:46:27 | Tyro | okay.. |
| 12:46:59 | Tyro | my english is not so well.. :o) i dont realy understand.. |
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| 12:47:14 | Tyro | where i can get the "right" compiler? |
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| 12:47:23 | scorche|sh | "path" is a technical term and shouldnt really be translated |
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| 12:47:48 | scorche|sh | well, how did you try installing?...are you on linux? etc? |
| 12:47:51 | Tyro | of course i understand path.. |
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| 12:47:53 | Dav1zzle | helllloooo :) |
| 12:47:55 | bertrik | funman, yeah maybe we need a page with a better name and something with the main controller type in it looks better than CobyInfo. I'm not completely familiar with the current wiki naming policies though, so you'll have to ask someone else. |
| 12:47:58 | Domonoky | Tyro: did you run rockboxdev.sh to get the right crosscompilers ? (if not take a look at the wiki,) |
| 12:48:28 | funman | I'll go for AliCorp5661 |
| 12:48:48 | funman | that's the usb id |
| 12:48:52 | Tyro | no i dont.. |
| 12:49:27 | funman | hum I have trouble registering |
| 12:49:36 | funman | I'm brought on the empty "http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/oops/Main/WebHome?template=oopsattention;def=registration_mail_failed;param1=rafael.carre%26%2364%3bgmail.com;param2=No mail handler available" |
| 12:49:53 | * | scorche|sh pings Zagor |
| 12:50:40 | gevaerts | funman: That will get fixed (hopefully soon), but the one who does those things is busy discussing remotes right now |
| 12:50:44 | Zagor | yeah, we're closed :) |
| 12:50:57 | funman | ok .. |
| 12:51:05 | * | funman puts $10 in gevaerts's pocket |
| 12:51:05 | Zagor | no, just kidding. it's a bug |
| 12:51:06 | funman | and now ? |
| 12:51:24 | scorche|sh | funman: sorry...we are having our annual Rockbox developers conference....we are int he middle of discussions at the moment |
| 12:51:25 | Zagor | we have a meeting at the moment, i'll look into it soon |
| 12:51:36 | funman | ah ok, then good meeting |
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| 12:51:54 | funman | I'll keep these links handy |
| 12:52:06 | funman | I'll try run the manufacturer software from reactos |
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| 12:59:17 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: could you please later ask what developers think about updating the database via rbutil? |
| 12:59:42 | scorche|sh | Genre9mp3: it is something that is thought that would be good |
| 12:59:56 | scorche|sh | well, run that sentence through a grammar filter... |
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| 13:00:06 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: LinusN and I already agreed on that. |
| 13:00:13 | scorche|sh | it just requires someone to implement it |
| 13:00:14 | Genre9mp3 | ok, thanks |
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| 13:04:11 | * | gevaerts remembers that he has to show Domonoky and bluebrother how rbutil behaves with ion2 |
| 13:04:47 | PaulJam | i think it would require someone to keep updating id when something in the database cahnges, there were already tools to update the DB on the PC side, but they became incompatible and forgotten. |
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| 13:05:35 | PaulJam | *would _also_ require |
| 13:06:29 | Domonoky | PaulJam: there is the beginning of a db update tool which uses rockbox db code... so this should always be uptodate :-) |
| 13:06:52 | bluebrother | Genre9mp3: please do |
| 13:07:02 | bluebrother | sorry, was meant for gevaerts |
| 13:07:32 | obo | Domonoky: it has some nice errors when doing a "make database" under /tools :) |
| 13:08:33 | Llorean | PaulJam: Yes, as Domonoky, we should be including the core Rockbox database generation, rather than using a script. |
| 13:09:16 | Domonoky | obo: yes i said "beginning" :-) |
| 13:09:24 | bertrik | Sorry, but what problem is solved by generating the database on the PC side? |
| 13:09:30 | obo | speed |
| 13:10:07 | Genre9mp3 | bertrik: speed and automation (not have to do it manualy later on target) |
| 13:10:20 | obo | maybe it could also alert the user if it comes across corrupt/unreadable tags? |
| 13:11:51 | JdGordon | it dropped me so you may have mentioned this.... moving the current install means you lose the userdata... |
| 13:11:52 | bertrik | I don't think it's that slow on my DAP and it is done automatically, but maybe it slow is on other players. |
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| 13:12:36 | Genre9mp3 | bertrik: depends also on how many files you have |
| 13:12:38 | Tyro | damn i dont get it.. |
| 13:13:55 | bertrik | Genre9mp3, ok I have a flash target with just 4GB |
| 13:14:41 | bertrik | But maybe we should just try to make it faster on target rather than completely changing the way it is generated |
| 13:15:14 | Genre9mp3 | bertrik: well you could still update the dB on target |
| 13:15:16 | JdGordon | Llorean: mention nico's WPS line height patch.... |
| 13:15:53 | pixelma | didn't it have a problem with scrolling lines? |
| 13:16:02 | JdGordon | dont remember |
| 13:16:08 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 13:16:11 | Llorean | It turned out to be _really_ glitchy |
| 13:16:17 | JdGordon | oh, ok |
| 13:16:25 | pixelma | search for it in the tracker? |
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| 13:18:33 | obo | hmm, /tools/checkwps is broken too |
| 13:18:59 | Tyro | so, i dont know what i do wrong.. can someone compile my patched version for me? |
| 13:19:17 | scorche|sh | Tyro: did you add the folders to your path? |
| 13:20:08 | Tyro | yeah, ill try to.. |
| 13:20:18 | B4gder | fs#4733 is the multi font |
| 13:21:06 | Tyro | but nothing works and ill go crazy in a minute Oo |
| 13:21:46 | scorche|sh | ...did you try it? |
| 13:21:46 | obo | B4gder: would it be possible (or desired?) to add the various tools (maybe as one "target") to the build page, so their breakage is noticed? |
| 13:22:26 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: is there going to be talk about bootloaders later on? |
| 13:22:44 | B4gder | obo: yeah, I've thought about that as well |
| 13:23:10 | B4gder | we can get it done by cleaning them before rebuilds |
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| 13:24:07 | PaulJam | Genre9mp3: i think there was some talk about that in yesterdays conference, not sure what the outcome was, though. |
| 13:25:02 | B4gder | what's there to talk about them? |
| 13:25:13 | Tyro | An alternative way is to temporarily tell the compiler to accept commands from your build directory (where you wish to build rockbox). This can be done by typing the following into cygwin, after navigating to your build directory export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH |
| 13:25:22 | B4gder | those are more action-points rather that discussions |
| 13:25:26 | Tyro | i try this because it sounds easier for me.. |
| 13:25:36 | Tyro | but still nothing goes on.. |
| 13:25:48 | Genre9mp3 | B4gder: I was actually wondering about h300 bootloader as showstopper to 3.0 |
| 13:26:02 | B4gder | I don't think we consider it that |
| 13:26:55 | Llorean | It's not. |
| 13:27:02 | Llorean | We have _one_ registered showstopper right now. |
| 13:27:09 | PaulJam | on the roadmap fo 3.0 in the tracker the bootloader issues are still listed. |
| 13:27:09 | Llorean | The rest of them are just "really like to have"s |
| 13:28:29 | * | Genre9mp3 suggests lock petur, LinusN and some h300s in a seperate room after the meeting! ;) |
| 13:28:44 | LinusN | i'm working on it |
| 13:28:51 | JdGordon | Llorean: that setting should get into the quickscreen then... |
| 13:28:53 | LinusN | for hours and hours |
| 13:28:54 | * | PaulJam agrees with Genre9mp3 |
| 13:29:15 | scorche|sh | well, petur's H300 needs to get back to a working state, so... ;) |
| 13:30:01 | JdGordon | leve REP for after 3.0... |
| 13:30:06 | JdGordon | leave* |
| 13:30:15 | B4gder | it's not a show-stopper anyway |
| 13:30:46 | * | petur sends all tapers users to JdGordon |
| 13:31:06 | * | scorche|sh hands JdGordon some bear mace |
| 13:31:11 | JdGordon | :) |
| 13:31:30 | * | pixelma reminds JdGordon about reworking the recording screen anyways... |
| 13:31:56 | JdGordon | pixelma: I havnt forgotten... |
| 13:32:07 | JdGordon | its such a mess there atm, its difficult... |
| 13:32:09 | Llorean | JdGordon: These aren't "3.0 topics" just "Future topics" |
| 13:32:31 | Llorean | Any other topics you guys think is important we should discuss? |
| 13:32:36 | JdGordon | na |
| 13:32:49 | Genre9mp3 | Rockbox logo! :P |
| 13:32:54 | * | Genre9mp3 hides |
| 13:32:58 | JdGordon | wel... maybe seeing if bootloaders can pass its version to the main binary? |
| 13:33:08 | * | Genre9mp3 of course is kidding |
| 13:33:10 | JdGordon | but that probably doesnt need a big discussion.. just someone to do it |
| 13:33:13 | * | gevaerts tattoos the logo on Genre9mp3's forehead |
| 13:33:13 | * | scorche|sh kicks Genre9mp3 on the shin |
| 13:33:24 | JdGordon | malloc! |
| 13:33:35 | LinusN | /kickban JdGordon |
| 13:33:40 | Mode | "#rockbox +o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 13:33:43 | JdGordon | :) |
| 13:33:45 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: We had a vote, old logo stays. |
| 13:33:56 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: Yay! |
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| 13:34:23 | JdGordon | we sort of have malloc.... nico sneaked it in |
| 13:34:40 | Llorean | buffer alloc? |
| 13:34:43 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 13:35:05 | JdGordon | the malloced blob moves around so its dangerous... |
| 13:35:17 | Llorean | It's safe enough for some uses. |
| 13:35:35 | LinusN | we can add malloc(), but not free() |
| 13:35:51 | gevaerts | Or we can add free, but not malloc() |
| 13:36:47 | PaulJam | btw. LinusN, petur: if there are any non-risk-of-bricking things i could do to help with testing H300 bootloader issues, feel free to ping me. My h300 has problems with the svn bootloader too. |
| 13:37:26 | JdGordon | wps for the fm screen... |
| 13:37:31 | petur | PaulJam: is your h300 modified in any way? |
| 13:39:13 | Tyro | so, i realy dont get it.. so i ask once again.. somebody here who would compile for me? |
| 13:39:41 | PaulJam | petur: yes, replaced the HD with a MK4007GAL. (and replaced the battery and the UDA1380TT, but that is probably not of importance) |
| 13:40:54 | petur | PaulJam: LinusN has some interesting theory about only modified h300 having problems with the svn bootloader... but no explanation |
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| 13:46:19 | Nico_P | 40 commits! wow you guys are on fire! :) |
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| 13:47:20 | JdGordon | Nico_P: do you think 8206 might be related to that other near playlist end bug? |
| 13:47:58 | Nico_P | JdGordon: no, that's another issue |
| 13:51:30 | Lear | Btw, anyone else seen problems with dircache enabled on a Sansa e200? Seems like since I upgraded to an 8 GB SDHC (from a 2 GB SD), enabling dircache causes data aborts when playing certain tracks... |
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| 13:59:21 | * | JdGordon stops watching so he doesnt go over his download allowance :( |
| 13:59:30 | Llorean | :( |
| 13:59:38 | Llorean | Well there will be a recording after, as last time |
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| 14:02:02 | Llorean | Nico_P: Any ideas for how to set up an official, automated git mirror of SVN? |
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| 14:02:52 | Nico_P | Llorean: it shouldn't be too hard... the master server could run a script regularly or on each commit to sync the git repo with the svn repo, and push the new commit(s) |
| 14:03:05 | Llorean | Nico_P: Good to hear, we're in favour of setting such a thing up. |
| 14:03:15 | Nico_P | it could become more complicated if we want to allow pushing to the git repo to commit |
| 14:03:37 | Nico_P | but that wouldn't be a very good idea IMHO... either we switch or we don't |
| 14:03:48 | Genre9mp3 | What would be the benfits of such a move? |
| 14:03:49 | Nico_P | (about the second thing I described) |
| 14:04:13 | Tyro | pleaaase! |
| 14:04:13 | Llorean | Nico_P: Right now, commits go out to git, but don't come back from it seems to be preferred |
| 14:04:21 | Nico_P | I agree |
| 14:04:26 | Tyro | i wanna listen to music in the week |
| 14:04:36 | Nico_P | ATM, all I do to sync my repo is "git svn rebase; git push main" |
| 14:04:41 | scorche|sh | you cant do that with the official version? |
| 14:04:53 | scorche|sh | and you never reported with how your path adding went |
| 14:04:57 | Llorean | Nico_P: So, pretty trivial. |
| 14:05:09 | pixelma | Tyro: you were the one with a "problematic" Ipod Photo/Color/4th gen? |
| 14:05:23 | Tyro | yes.. |
| 14:05:30 | Genre9mp3 | no.. still sound! |
| 14:06:07 | Genre9mp3 | there is still sound... but I won't tell you that! :P |
| 14:06:20 | Genre9mp3 | ok... now sound is gone :( |
| 14:07:34 | Nico_P | Llorean: exactly. once it's setup it's easy to maintain |
| 14:07:36 | Tyro | and i found a patch, patch the source but i cant compile.. ill working all the night long but it doesnt work.. |
| 14:07:44 | Nico_P | I've described the setup in the git wiki page |
| 14:08:43 | Llorean | Nico_P: Good to hear. :) |
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| 14:11:21 | B4gder | http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/521865 |
| 14:11:32 | B4gder | today's session, 2h 2mins |
| 14:11:53 | PaulJam | Tyro: you could alternatively temporary use an older daily build from before the issue started, or try the build that is attached to the tracker task (9122). |
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| 14:12:32 | Nico_P | decon guys: which targets are you indending to include in the release? |
| 14:12:40 | Nico_P | s/decon/devcon |
| 14:13:05 | B4gder | basically all that we "support" today I'd say |
| 14:13:25 | Llorean | Probably so, yes. |
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| 14:13:34 | Nico_P | good :) |
| 14:13:38 | Llorean | I don't see any target-specific blockers among them, except maybe the 1G/2G |
| 14:13:46 | Llorean | Since having players you can't turn off might confuse users. |
| 14:13:58 | Nico_P | did you discuss the GUI slowness on the 5.5G (and prob. others)? |
| 14:14:17 | Nico_P | i.e. committing a GUI boost patch before release |
| 14:14:24 | Llorean | It wasn't even brought up when we were trying to bring up blockers. |
| 14:14:51 | Llorean | We really only focused on "what HAS to be fixed" leaving "what should be fixed" to be things that individuals care about focusing on. |
| 14:14:56 | Nico_P | I'm not sure it's really a blocker |
| 14:15:01 | Llorean | I don't think it is. |
| 14:15:01 | Nico_P | yeah |
| 14:15:14 | Llorean | That being said, it's probably not a bad fix |
| 14:15:38 | Llorean | It's not idea (in that it'd be better to see if we can solve it with optimization) but it works, and it works _now_ |
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| 14:16:39 | bertrik | Nico_P: I hoped your fix for FS #9110 would also fix the boost problem on last track in FS #8964, but unfortunately it doesn't |
| 14:17:07 | Nico_P | different issue, unfortunately :( |
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| 14:44:05 | JdGordon | Llorean: anything interesting get discussed after I left? |
| 14:44:49 | * | petur is now saving the processed wav to disk, then will convert to mp3 and upload |
| 14:47:21 | Llorean | JdGordon: Plenty of things, I'm not exactly sure where we were when you left. |
| 14:47:41 | Llorean | Mostly though, we just came up with a lot of policy agreements ("we'd like to see X happen about Y issue") |
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| 14:51:31 | Llorean | JdGordon: Download the recorded video then, and you can see what you missed. |
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| 14:55:39 | * | Genre9mp3 notices that there's no "requests" link anymore in the front page.... so I guess we are completely drop this? |
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| 14:56:19 | LinusN | Genre9mp3: more or less, but not completely |
| 14:56:32 | Zagor | Genre9mp3: for now, yes. it turns out flyspray cannot have different access policies on different task types so the initial idea is not possible |
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| 15:01:08 | Genre9mp3 | damn! I didn't manage to request a <insert game console here> emulator! :/ |
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| 15:02:30 | gevaerts | Are there any regular ipod video users around ? |
| 15:02:43 | fyrestorm | im here |
| 15:03:20 | * | obo raises his hand |
| 15:03:23 | soap | me |
| 15:03:29 | fyrestorm | thats 3 |
| 15:03:44 | gevaerts | Could you test the latest build (r17876, once it's available. It's still building), and see if the UI is more responsive ? |
| 15:03:55 | fyrestorm | will do |
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| 15:05:17 | fyrestorm | btw, do the two of you experience a freeze if you plug the ipod in while its off? |
| 15:05:29 | fyrestorm | i thought this was fixed a while back |
| 15:05:47 | bertrik | I like those kinds of patches best: code gets smaller, simpler and performs better :) |
| 15:06:09 | fyrestorm | ok, build is up |
| 15:06:15 | fyrestorm | installing now |
| 15:07:41 | fyrestorm | im confirming |
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| 15:08:18 | fyrestorm | its still kinda slow when scrolling while playing though |
| 15:08:32 | gevaerts | But in general it's better ? |
| 15:08:40 | fyrestorm | seems like it |
| 15:09:21 | fyrestorm | once i have a song loaded though, its a bit laggy |
| 15:09:26 | fyrestorm | even when paused |
| 15:09:52 | fyrestorm | well actually, not so much right now. |
| 15:10:42 | fyrestorm | i havent updated my build in quite a while |
| 15:10:50 | fyrestorm | its been a few weeks |
| 15:11:30 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2008/meeting2.mp3 |
| 15:11:37 | fyrestorm | the freezing bug is still there though :/ |
| 15:12:25 | amiconn | That's something else |
| 15:12:29 | fyrestorm | yeah |
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| 15:13:13 | amiconn | What I did was speeding up the code that is responsible for drawing all the text, so UI should be more responsive than before especially when scrolling throuh lists with long file names |
| 15:13:21 | fyrestorm | i just saw the svn :) |
| 15:13:51 | fyrestorm | it was noticably faster without a song loaded up |
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| 15:21:07 | Nico_P | amiconn: nice :) I'll try it |
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| 15:24:23 | bertrik | I don't notice any ill effect from it on my sansa |
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| 15:27:19 | obo | gevaerts: amiconn: it's a noticable improvement - boosting the CPU still has a greater effect, but when combined it's very nice |
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| 15:46:37 | wpyh | funman: I can help translate some resources |
| 15:48:03 | wpyh | (just provide the links) |
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| 15:51:55 | wild_oscar | good afternoon! |
| 15:52:31 | wild_oscar | I have never tried rockbox, but am curious to know what's the probability of it working on an ipod which seems to be faulty |
| 15:52:40 | BigBambi | wild_oscar: faulty how? |
| 15:53:08 | wild_oscar | ie, I was looking at ebay's auctions and saw a lot of faulty ipods there. most of them say they "display an unhappy face logo at boot" |
| 15:53:24 | BigBambi | it is really impossible to say without knowing what the problem is |
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| 15:54:25 | wild_oscar | on an ebay auction all the info I'll get is, of course, that it's not working and displays an unhappy face |
| 15:54:39 | BigBambi | Well, it is then impossible to say |
| 15:55:06 | soap | The odds of Rockbox working on a faulty iPod are no greater than the odds of Apple's firmware working on a faulty iPod. |
| 15:55:07 | wild_oscar | BigBambi: does rockbox have a record of working on otherwise useless ipods? |
| 15:55:12 | wild_oscar | oh |
| 15:55:26 | BigBambi | wild_oscar: If it is a hardware problem, it won't be any difference |
| 15:55:28 | wild_oscar | that was basically my question |
| 15:55:36 | PaulJam | i think you can generally say, that when you can't make the apple firmware run, it's extremely unlikely that you'll be able to mae rockbox run |
| 15:55:43 | BigBambi | If it isn't a hardware problem, then you should be able to get either to run |
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| 15:56:11 | wild_oscar | so if it's useless to the point of a person to sell it on ebay for 1 pound, it's probably really useles.. |
| 15:56:22 | soap | And considering the number of guides out there - the odds of simple Apple firmware corruption being the cause of the unhappy face should be considered quite slim. |
| 15:56:48 | wild_oscar | yeah |
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| 15:58:37 | wild_oscar | well, thanks for the info |
| 15:58:46 | wild_oscar | I should probably stay away from these ipods :) |
| 15:59:56 | JdGordon | pixelma: safe to close 8318? |
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| 16:10:28 | B4gder | Berlin is back... or parts are at least |
| 16:10:47 | BigBambi | The parts that matter :) |
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| 16:12:41 | amiconn | bertrik: Targets using the same CPU family shouldn't behave different. Of course I tested this before commit on coldfire (H300), PP502x (H10) and gigabeat F |
| 16:14:03 | JdGordon | devcon ppl: can someone with a nano test out 8970 and fix the problem? supposedly the nano will crash entering the quickscreen if the lang is german? |
| 16:14:11 | bertrik | ok, I was just confirming that for sansa e200 |
| 16:16:26 | * | amiconn used his drawing speed test plugin for testing |
| 16:16:44 | amiconn | I have to brush it up a bit before committing it |
| 16:19:22 | JdGordon | Nico_P: any siggestions on 8952? or just close it and say "add spaces for the play status"? |
| 16:19:36 | Nico_P | amiconn: r17876 is a very nice improvement :) |
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| 16:20:16 | JdGordon | hmm... even adding one space is enough, so I guess || makes the code thing there is nothing to display... which probably makes sense |
| 16:20:51 | Nico_P | yeah, one space should be enough |
| 16:21:34 | Nico_P | maybe post a comment saying that and close if the reporter responds saying it's working |
| 16:22:39 | JdGordon | i checked and it does work |
| 16:22:43 | JdGordon | closed as wont fix... |
| 16:30:14 | JdGordon | anyone have an opiion on 8814 - restarting playback splash (en/disabling crossfade) doesnt clear itself which makes the player look like its frozen up... I want to remove the splash instead of trying to fix it.... |
| 16:33:56 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Incidently, I booted the ATMT using the Logik Dax firmware and it runs perfectly. They are completely identical |
| 16:34:04 | Llorean | JdGordon: If you don't have the splash, people will say "Why'd my playback skip when I enabled it?" |
| 16:34:50 | bertrik | argh, I remember looking into FS #8814 but can't remember the outcome nor did I add a comment |
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| 16:34:56 | JdGordon | they arnt that silly are they? |
| 16:35:01 | BigBambi | gevaerts: The only unfortunate thing is it now won't boot from NAND, only USB - note this isn't a result of the Dax firmware, it is the result of me arsing up the soldering. |
| 16:35:05 | pixelma | JdGordon: guess amiconn is the best to decide about this one... |
| 16:35:27 | gevaerts | BigBambi: I should try soldering too. Unfortunately I'm no good at it |
| 16:35:31 | JdGordon | pixelma: mind trying to persuade him to have a looky? :) |
| 16:35:54 | pixelma | already gave him the link ;) |
| 16:36:46 | JdGordon | Llorean: or, if it has to stay... can it be moved to the actual setting and changed to "playback needs to be restarted" so the menu will redraw it (might need a HZ/2 pause though to make it readable)? |
| 16:37:30 | * | JdGordon is trying to get the tracker down to 100 non manual/rbutil bugs |
| 16:38:24 | Llorean | JdGordon: As long as the user knows playback will restart, I don't care where it is. |
| 16:38:28 | Llorean | I just don't want them thinking it's a bug. :) |
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| 16:39:53 | amiconn | JdGordon: I closed 8318 now |
| 16:40:19 | bluebrother | as rbutil only has 4 open tasks ... |
| 16:40:20 | JdGordon | :) |
| 16:40:49 | JdGordon | bluebrother: I've got that as a saved search... I dont know how many they add |
| 16:41:00 | Llorean | JdGordon: Good job closing. Once they stick someone with the RC job, less work for them. :) |
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| 16:58:01 | BigBambi | webguest56: The manual is the route to all knowledge |
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| 17:19:09 | B4gder | ok, devcon logout for this time |
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| 17:23:46 | JdGordon | mass exodus :) |
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| 17:26:06 | petur | last pictures uploaded... |
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| 17:29:32 | pixelma | JdGordon: I can confirm http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8970 in a Nano (did work correctly on the Mini and small H10 but freezes on Nano) but freezes on a Nano. The option names are so long that they would have to scroll but don't |
| 17:30:05 | JdGordon | arg.. any suggestions? |
| 17:30:18 | JdGordon | they should be able to scroll though...? |
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| 17:33:14 | pixelma | petur said yesterday that there are some spots in the viewports code where the lcd height is assumed from the lcd width, maybe it's the problem there because the nano screen has the same width as the e200? Just a guess though |
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| 17:36:26 | JdGordon | anyone got an email for domonoky? |
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| 18:01:13 | kugel | JdGordon: I can't really tell you why the patch is not working for you |
| 18:01:28 | kugel | Have you actually tried it on a target now? |
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| 18:29:31 | MarcGuay | The wiki changes are making some pages act strangely (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FlashingRockbox). Seems to be Either adding space at the top or bottom-aligning..? |
| 18:31:46 | MarcGuay | The preview page colour are also off... |
| 18:32:03 | MarcGuay | *colours |
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| 19:44:08 | * | Nico_P thinks he might have a fix for FS #8977 |
| 19:45:31 | * | soap wonders if the RSB will be as easy to bribe/corrupt as the IOC. |
| 19:46:59 | Nico_P | http://pastebin.ca/1058301 |
| 19:47:32 | Nico_P | any testers? |
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| 19:54:58 | MarcGuay | Nico_P: I'll give it a shot... |
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| 19:55:05 | Nico_P | thanks :) |
| 19:55:17 | Nico_P | MarcGuay: have you tried my earlier fix btw? |
| 19:55:34 | MarcGuay | Nico_P: Nope. I never experienced these problems in the first place... :) |
| 19:55:44 | MarcGuay | Nico_P: FS#? |
| 19:55:47 | Nico_P | right :) |
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| 19:55:57 | Nico_P | FS #9110 |
| 19:57:00 | * | PaulJam listened to Dream Theaters "A Change Of Seasons" album today without having the player hang at the last track :) |
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| 19:59:11 | MarcGuay | So the situation is no-auto-change-dir, no repeat... Does it need to be a long playlist? |
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| 20:02:50 | Nico_P | MarcGuay: for which bug? reproducing FS #8977 doesn't have much requirements |
| 20:03:00 | Nico_P | PaulJam: cool :) |
| 20:03:15 | MarcGuay | Nico_P: Was looking at the second, hang-at-end-o'-playlist, one.. |
| 20:03:35 | MarcGuay | Almost done building with your patch... |
| 20:03:46 | Nico_P | oh, then yes you need to disable repeat and auto dir change |
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| 20:11:57 | MarcGuay | PaulJam, Nico_P: For 9110 does the entire playlist have to be run through or can the last track be skipped to? |
| 20:12:03 | MarcGuay | (to test it) |
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| 20:14:38 | fml | Nico_P: hello. I could not reproduce the buf FS #9110 with r17876. Just wanted to let you know. |
| 20:14:40 | PaulJam | MarcGuay: i'm not sure. i didn't do any skipping (which also made the reproduction very time consuming until the quicker way with only 3 tracks was found) |
| 20:15:49 | fml | MarcGuay: btw: now that the study mode is documented in the manual, wouldn't it also be good to make it available in the WPS? There is a patch in the tracker, I don't remember the number though. |
| 20:15:51 | MarcGuay | Nico_P: Trying to reproduce 8977 with your patch and can't. |
| 20:16:27 | MarcGuay | fml: I suppose so. Seen the request/patch myself as well... |
| 20:16:50 | MarcGuay | Nico_P: But I can't say I understand the recipe very well... Using FLAC, trying to bug it out.. |
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| 20:19:56 | MarcGuay | Nico_P: Just had it break on me by skipping backwards several tracks quickly. |
| 20:20:11 | Nico_P | :/ |
| 20:20:22 | MarcGuay | Nico_P: Interface is working but playback can't be restarted. |
| 20:20:45 | Nico_P | MarcGuay: to answer your earlier question, 9110 doesn't require the whole playlist to be run through |
| 20:21:06 | Nico_P | I only used 3 tracks to reproduce |
| 20:21:26 | MarcGuay | Nico_P: And then jump to the last track and play it all the way through? |
| 20:22:01 | MarcGuay | Nico_P: I hate to say it but it's very easy to break playback by just skipping a few tracks quickly... |
| 20:22:03 | Nico_P | not even that. I fast forward to a point just before rebuffering occurs |
| 20:22:13 | MarcGuay | Sansa e200 if that makes a difference to you... |
| 20:22:19 | Nico_P | I'll try |
| 20:22:44 | MarcGuay | Nico_P: Playback can be revived if you Stop and the Resume. |
| 20:22:47 | Nico_P | do you think my latest patch makes it easier to break playback with quick skipping? |
| 20:23:25 | MarcGuay | Nico_P: I'll revert and check.. |
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| 20:25:39 | J-23 | Hi! |
| 20:25:50 | MarcGuay | Nico_P: Yes, I can't get the same freeze to happen with 17881. |
| 20:26:45 | MarcGuay | Nico_P: But I can reproduce 8977... :) Shitty. |
| 20:26:55 | J-23 | I applied http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4760 patch, but compiling returned http://pastebin.com/dd77f571 |
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| 20:28:38 | MarcGuay | pixelma: If you've got a minute, do you mind reviewing http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17880? I still don't trust myself... |
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| 20:30:09 | MarcGuay | pixelma: Crap, just realized that the 1/2/3G ipods will have the "In the unlikely event of a software failure, a hardware power off can be performed by holding down" sentence with nothing after it.. |
| 20:31:01 | bertrik | J-23: if you really need it, I could have a go at fixing that patch back up |
| 20:31:41 | pixelma | MarcGuay: sorry, not at home yet just a short pause. Wanted to copy some stuff off of the laptop and thought I might as well join as I have some spare minutes until I leave for the train I wanted to catch (about 30 minutes) |
| 20:32:13 | J-23 | bertrik: no, I can wait for new version of this patch. |
| 20:32:17 | MarcGuay | pixelma: Okay. I found my own bug! Thanks anyway. |
| 20:32:30 | MarcGuay | Sometimes it helps just to hear yourself ask. :) |
| 20:32:42 | pixelma | true :) |
| 20:33:15 | MarcGuay | Nico_P: Can't reproduce 9110 with 17881 + e200. |
| 20:34:40 | Nico_P | MarcGuay: the key is to have the last track not fully buffered |
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| 20:35:21 | Nico_P | I used 3 tracks, with the first two amounting to ~25 MB and the last one being ~12 MB |
| 20:35:57 | Nico_P | when the rebuffering occurs in the middle of the last track, playback stalls |
| 20:36:09 | PaulJam | Nico_P: isn't it expected that he _can't_ reproduce it with 17881? |
| 20:36:33 | Nico_P | hmm yes indeed. :p |
| 20:36:49 | Nico_P | I thought my commit was r17885 |
| 20:37:01 | * | Nico_P had a couple martinis |
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| 20:37:26 | MarcGuay | Ha. I should specify that it's a good thing! |
| 20:37:48 | Nico_P | then I'm pleases :) |
| 20:37:51 | Nico_P | pleased |
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| 20:39:51 | MarcGuay | Nico_P: Either put down the martini or the keyboard. I think they're having compatibility issues. :) |
| 20:40:06 | MarcGuay | This martini does not work with Nico_P v1.1 |
| 20:40:12 | Nico_P | hehe :) |
| 20:40:18 | Nico_P | I'm going for the Ballmer peak |
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| 20:41:19 | MarcGuay | Nico_P: I'm going to go outside and play, it's a lovely day here. If you want me to test a patch I'll search the logs later on this evening. Ciao. |
| 20:41:36 | Nico_P | ciao ;) |
| 20:46:15 | Reemo | hey guys, first i wanted to thank you for rockbox. Great fw, makes the X5 much faster. My question is related to the themes: Why do some of them look just crap on the X5, even if screenshot looks great? (e.g. HipodDark)? Are they broken? |
| 20:47:43 | Nico_P | Reemo: theme compatibility was borken recently, so that may be the cause |
| 20:47:49 | Nico_P | themes need to be updated |
| 20:48:10 | Reemo | :) i already thought so, okay |
| 20:53:01 | Reemo | Ah btw, isnt it possible (and probably better) to just toogle the icon of settings which are boolean rather than showing a Yes/No Window? |
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| 20:57:27 | webguest39 | how do i get my songs added from itunes to show up? |
| 20:58:06 | PaulJam | use the Database. The manual will give you more info. |
| 20:58:09 | pixelma | try reading the manual, especially the database section might be of interest to you ;) |
| 20:58:35 | advcomp2019 | and make sure they do not have DRM too |
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| 20:59:37 | webguest39 | DRm? |
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| 21:00:31 | Reemo | hmm guys, another thing. Just patched the RTC Patch for the X5 into source of... yesterday. How safe is it to load this onto the X5? |
| 21:00:36 | J-23 | Digital R{estrictions,ights} Management? |
| 21:00:51 | PaulJam | Digital Rights Management. Apple calls it FairPlay afaik. but that's offtopic here. |
| 21:01:36 | PaulJam | Reemo: FS# ? |
| 21:02:19 | webguest39 | so protcted AAC files are a no go? |
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| 21:03:00 | Reemo | 7814 |
| 21:04:33 | PaulJam | Reemo: if i understand correctly the bootloader on x5 isn't aware of rtc alarm. so it might not work. but i wouldn't expect it do do any harm. |
| 21:05:23 | Reemo | hmpf |
| 21:06:21 | PaulJam | maybe i'm wrong the last comment reads as if it wouldn't work, but earlier comments suggest that it actually works. |
| 21:06:43 | amiconn | MarcGuay: Regarding hardware poweroff and ipods - you can't force a hardware poweroff on ipods, just a hardware reset |
| 21:07:14 | amiconn | That works for all ipods, but the button combo is different on 1st..3rd gen from the later ones |
| 21:07:45 | amiconn | On 1st..3rd Gen it's Menu + Play, on the later ones it's Menu + Select |
| 21:07:59 | PaulJam | Reemo: the best way to find out is probably to just try it. |
| 21:08:54 | Reemo | just did |
| 21:10:44 | lolmaus | Hey amiconn, are you going to further solve the ripple/blank screen issue on M3? I still can't use RockBox. Should i forget about it? |
| 21:13:14 | bertrik | J-23: I think I solved the conflicts, but as far as I can tell the rockcalendar plugin does not get compiled for sansa e200 (which I personally have and can test on) |
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| 21:15:29 | Evilnick | Anyone know if it's possible to fix the beaSt's partition information from within Windows? |
| 21:15:52 | Evilnick | i.e. Step 2 of the installation instructions |
| 21:16:04 | _23__ | hi all |
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| 21:22:59 | _23__ | Hi all |
| 21:24:38 | J-23 | bertrik: can I test it on my Sansa c240? |
| 21:24:48 | _23__ | I have seen a week ago and told me that rockbox for meizu m6 will be ready today |
| 21:25:21 | PaulJam | _23__: who told you that? |
| 21:26:13 | _23__ | not remember |
| 21:27:59 | PaulJam | _23__: could it be that someone told you that there will be some m6 hacking during devcon and you have misunderstood it? |
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| 21:28:35 | _23__ | maybe |
| 21:28:55 | _23__ | i bad in english |
| 21:29:09 | Guybrush | I am having difficulty playing MIDI files on my rockbox'ed sansa e260 |
| 21:29:12 | _23__ | becuse i am from Russia |
| 21:29:22 | Guybrush | it says I need instruments? |
| 21:29:31 | _23__ | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9125 - what is it ? |
| 21:30:00 | J-23 | unflashable Rockbox port for Meizu M6 |
| 21:30:22 | J-23 | it can't be uploaded to player, but it's only beginning of port. |
| 21:30:45 | _23__ | what he does |
| 21:30:46 | _23__ | & |
| 21:30:47 | _23__ | ? |
| 21:31:27 | J-23 | now probably nothing :D |
| 21:31:39 | krazykit | Guybrush, i thought rbutil had an option to install the voices |
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| 21:32:06 | bertrik | J-23: I don't think it will build for c240 either, because the patch checks for specific screen widths and 132 is not one of them |
| 21:32:52 | J-23 | :/ |
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| 21:35:14 | PaulJam_ | Guybrush, krazykit: the midi plugin needs a patchset to be installed. see here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMidiPlay (this is also mentioned in the manual) |
| 21:37:32 | Guybrush | thank ya pauljam |
| 21:37:37 | | Part _23__ |
| 21:43:47 | J-23 | What's to do with Calendar to make it working on C200 Sansas? |
| 21:44:52 | bertrik | I don't know, I didn't write it. |
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| 21:46:17 | bertrik | the rockcalendar code is full of #ifdefs that depend the exact lcd width |
| 21:46:41 | J-23 | hmm, I know it and I think bitmaps need to be resized. |
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| 21:51:08 | J-23 | good night! |
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| 21:56:38 | Reemo | Hmm |
| 21:56:49 | Reemo | is there any way i can help to make the themes re usable? |
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| 22:01:30 | PaulJam_ | Reemo: if they are published under a license that allows you to modify them then you can fix the WPS (and updoad the fixed version again). the WPS syntax is described here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
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| 22:02:01 | Reemo | okay, and is there a changelog describing what exactly is broken? |
| 22:02:39 | PaulJam_ | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17759 |
| 22:02:52 | PaulJam_ | and http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17763 |
| 22:11:31 | Reemo | Aehm, a question regarding theme iCatcher: Whats this 2 | 3 on top? |
| 22:17:24 | Reemo | aHhH shuffle :D |
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| 22:39:13 | preglow | did you plow through more issues in the meetings than are jotted down in the wiki? |
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| 22:39:50 | Bagder | a little more, yes |
| 22:40:04 | Bagder | I think we'll try to get a page done with conclusions and things |
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| 22:40:37 | preglow | excellent |
| 22:40:50 | preglow | i'm really looking forward to seeing how the steering boards idea turns out |
| 22:41:02 | Bagder | yeps |
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| 22:41:30 | bertrik | how does disk spinup and spindown work? I see only a few places where ata_spin is called. What happens if a plugin accesses a file when the disk is spun down? |
| 22:42:03 | * | Bagder heads to bed now after a rather intense weekend |
| 22:43:18 | amiconn | bertrik: You don't need to deal with it normally. ata_spin() is only called if you want the disk to keep spinning if it already is |
| 22:43:29 | amiconn | (it just resets the spindown timer) |
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| 22:44:27 | bertrik | ok |
| 22:44:31 | * | preglow sits down and strokes his sd card again |
| 22:44:45 | lolmaus | Hey amiconn, are you going to further solve the ripple/blank screen issue on M3? I still can't use RockBox. Should i forget about it? |
| 22:44:58 | bertrik | deja vu |
| 22:45:01 | amiconn | So far I thought it was solved? |
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| 22:46:21 | lolmaus | amiconn, i tried it after you fixed something but it was still the same. I catch ripple and blank screen :( And up/down buttons are still reverse in menus |
| 22:46:49 | amiconn | The buttons are mapped the way they should be in rockbox |
| 22:48:26 | amiconn | Honestly I have no idea why it doesn't work for you, or rather, how much slower it might need to be to fix it (and what part of the transfer needs to be slower) |
| 22:48:45 | lolmaus | I could test it for you |
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| 22:49:58 | lolmaus | "the way they should be in rockbox" −− it's always better when the way is for user's convenience, not programmer's concept |
| 22:50:15 | amiconn | It is for user's convenience... |
| 22:52:07 | amiconn | Vol+ goes up, Vol- goes down. And due to the position the rocker switch is located at it feels quite natural to have it that way. It's almost like spinning a scroll wheel |
| 22:53:27 | lolmaus | Any horisontal jog dial on any device has left for up and right for down :) |
| 22:53:40 | lolmaus | Well okay, i'll stick to original firmware then |
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| 22:55:41 | pixelma | well user's convenience is a question for some more people, not just one or two. You can't do it right for everyone... |
| 22:57:36 | pixelma | somehow the English doesn't sound right but I hope it |
| 22:57:38 | amiconn | That does make sense if it's at the top left, or on the bottom right. It doesn't make sense if it's at the top right or the bottom left |
| 22:57:40 | pixelma | 's understood |
| 22:58:44 | amiconn | The iaudio OF has it that way even though that rocker is at the bottom left, and I was very confused when I tried it for the first time |
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| 23:07:31 | preglow | anyone here knowledgeable with the portalplayer sd driver? |
| 23:09:53 | Evilnick | Any Gigabeast experts around? |
| 23:12:42 | Nico_P | Evilnick: I wouldn't say I'm an expert, but I could be of help :) |
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| 23:12:56 | Evilnick | I'm trying to use the recovery (patched GB V) from the wiki |
| 23:14:07 | Evilnick | And when I have the beast plugged into both AC power and the PC, the recovery program does it's thing,then shows a red X over the PC connection and the bottom right corner says "not connected" |
| 23:14:31 | Evilnick | It appears to be connected initially, but when it tried to write to the disk, then that |
| 23:14:42 | Reemo | Hmm |
| 23:14:47 | Evilnick | 's when the problem occurs (apols for errant enter key) |
| 23:14:47 | Reemo | where's iAmp.rpws gone? |
| 23:15:20 | Nico_P | Evilnick: sorry, I don't know much about the patched V updater |
| 23:15:40 | Nico_P | the only time I tried to use it, I couldn't get it to work either |
| 23:16:01 | Evilnick | Darn! I'm convinced that it's to do with the HDD, I'm trying to upgrade to the Samsung 120GB-er |
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| 23:16:11 | Evilnick | Is there another way of doing this? |
| 23:17:14 | Nico_P | under windows it's not really easy |
| 23:17:24 | Nico_P | linux is better for that |
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| 23:17:48 | Evilnick | I could always venture into linux |
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| 23:23:26 | BigBambi | Evilnick: I don't know from Windows, but I upgraded my beast to a 120 GB disk from linux using sendfirm and nk.bin, and it worked perfectly |
| 23:24:02 | pixelma | Reemo: what revision exactly are you running and which target? |
| 23:24:22 | Reemo | aehm... daily from yesterday, target is iAudio X5 |
| 23:24:59 | pixelma | eh? I thought iAmp only had a rwps version for the iriver remotes |
| 23:25:52 | Reemo | Themes like HiPod etc seem to rely on iAmp.rwps... |
| 23:28:00 | pixelma | HiPod theme? Is that an H100 one? |
| 23:28:12 | Reemo | rockbox-themes list them on X5 as a Port... |
| 23:28:44 | Evilnick | BigBambi: Thanks. I might have to give that a whirl soon |
| 23:29:10 | BigBambi | Evilnick: The windows install at the moment is just, urgh :) |
| 23:29:46 | PaulJam_ | Reemo: the author propably just copied the .cfg from the iriver version. it should be save to just ignore that. |
| 23:29:52 | Evilnick | BigBambi: Yep. But now I need to burn an ISO and install linux for the pleasure of this! |
| 23:29:59 | Reemo | I work out my own theme now |
| 23:30:03 | Reemo | without dependencies, CCC... |
| 23:31:38 | Evilnick | BigBambi: Does the sendfirm program work when the gigabeat is saying "1.Connect the PMC to a PC"? Or do I need to have the OF running properly? |
| 23:31:50 | * | Evilnick crosses fingers |
| 23:32:15 | BigBambi | Evilnick: Yes, it'll work fine in recovery mode |
| 23:32:29 | Evilnick | Cool - back when I'm in linux then |
| 23:32:35 | Evilnick | Thanks for the help |
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| 23:33:23 | pixelma | just checked, there is no irver version of the theme (but the author still might copied some other theme with an rwps). And I also checked that there is no iAmp version for the Iaudio remote in SVN |
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| 23:35:30 | PaulJam_ | pixelma: iAmp.160x128x1.wps isn't that the h100 resolution? |
| 23:36:34 | pixelma | I meant that there is no HiPod theme for the H100 (which I thought could be because the X5 screen is also 160x128 as the H100, just colour) |
| 23:37:46 | PaulJam_ | ah, yes. it's probably too late for me to think correctly. |
| 23:39:12 | pixelma | well, I wasn't very clear - lack of sleep here too |
| 23:40:39 | * | Nico_P 's fix for FS #8977 has horrible side effects |
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| 23:48:26 | Reemo | Is there any plan of integrating JPEG on core level so you can use embed Art etc.? |
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| 23:50:24 | Nico_P | Reemo: only vague plans... noone seems to intend doing it for now |
| 23:50:32 | Reemo | is there a reason? |
| 23:50:47 | Reemo | I mean, Rockbox has the potential of being a real alternative firmware even for unknown users |
| 23:50:48 | Nico_P | not enough motivation from devs? |
| 23:50:58 | Reemo | unkown => unskilled |
| 23:51:06 | Reemo | :) |
| 23:51:14 | Nico_P | features require developer time and motivation |
| 23:51:26 | Nico_P | JPEG AA is not something many devs use |
| 23:51:41 | Reemo | AA? |
| 23:51:49 | Nico_P | album art |
| 23:52:08 | Reemo | ah |
| 23:52:49 | Nico_P | also I think the current focus is rather on bugfixing |
| 23:54:09 | Reemo | I'd love to participate |
| 23:54:27 | Nico_P | you're welcome to :) |
| 23:54:46 | Reemo | I got basic skills in C, lets see |
| 23:54:57 | Reemo | Usability is a great topic ;) |
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