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| 00:09:47 | saratoga | Buschel: (for the logs) tried out the new list scrolling performance improvements at 24MHz on your Ipod? |
| 00:09:59 | saratoga | i'm curious if they make that speed more usable without needing GUI boosting |
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| 00:10:27 | Ebert | did the wps code change recently? (past week) |
| 00:10:34 | saratoga | yes, see change logs |
| 00:10:38 | PaulJam_ | Ebert: on monday |
| 00:10:39 | Nico_P | saratoga: you mean amiconn's recent commit? |
| 00:10:46 | saratoga | Nico_P: yeah |
| 00:10:54 | Ebert | so do i need to update all my .wps's? |
| 00:11:05 | Nico_P | saratoga: yeah it improved GUI responsiveness quite a bit |
| 00:11:21 | Nico_P | still not perfect, but definitely better |
| 00:11:39 | saratoga | i'm curious how well it works at 24MHz core clock |
| 00:12:01 | Nico_P | ah I hadn't quite understood your question :) |
| 00:12:09 | saratoga | could save a good bit of power if we ever got optimized enough to use that instead of 30 |
| 00:12:23 | Ebert | does this mean all the previous .wps i used will not work? |
| 00:12:31 | saratoga | though maybe gui boosting + optimization is the best |
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| 00:12:46 | Nico_P | saratoga: do 6MHz really make that much of a difference in power consumption? |
| 00:12:50 | saratoga | would certainly make flac and mpc users happy |
| 00:13:20 | saratoga | Nico_P: I forget the number I worked out for my email to the dev list |
| 00:13:38 | Nico_P | but it's noticeable? |
| 00:13:39 | saratoga | but I think it was about 3 mA per MHz |
| 00:13:43 | saratoga | sorry |
| 00:13:46 | saratoga | 3MHz per mA |
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| 00:14:14 | saratoga | so y ou'd save 2 mA if you used a codec that didn't boost at 24MHz, like FLAC or MPC |
| 00:14:29 | PaulJam_ | Ebert: many WPS were broken by that change. the easiest way for you to tell if your WPS are broken is to just try if they load and display correctly. |
| 00:14:58 | Ebert | ok thanks, yes some pretty recent ones do not work |
| 00:15:21 | Nico_P | saratoga: nice... and how does MP3 optimization look? |
| 00:15:34 | saratoga | Nico_P: not so good |
| 00:15:49 | Nico_P | oh? :( |
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| 00:15:58 | saratoga | most of the optimizations Buschel and I found are on the order of just a few MHz at most, and are quite difficult to implement |
| 00:16:37 | saratoga | i'm really suprised mp3 is that slow, I would have expected it to be quite fast compared to Ogg/WMA |
| 00:17:56 | saratoga | it doesn't help that I don't really understand why the mp3 spec does some of the things that it does |
| 00:18:32 | Nico_P | :/ |
| 00:19:38 | saratoga | and also I need to get back to work on my GSOC project |
| 00:20:05 | saratoga | been procastinating on figuring out the header errors I get when trying to build rockbox with the wince-arm gcc version |
| 00:20:54 | bertrik | saratoga: what errors? can I have a quick look at them? |
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| 00:21:39 | saratoga | bertrik: I'm pretty sure I haven't setup the include paths correctly and its using the wrong header files |
| 00:21:53 | saratoga | basically it dives into the gcc include files and turns up a lot of errors |
| 00:22:17 | saratoga | i don't have the log handy, but I can post it once I get some time to really look at it |
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| 00:22:24 | funman | hi |
| 00:23:52 | dionoea | hey funman |
| 00:24:16 | funman | hey, wassup |
| 00:26:02 | saratoga | bertrik: you interested in wince > |
| 00:26:24 | bertrik | saratoga: no |
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| 00:34:55 | lazka | any1 of the main devs here? |
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| 00:36:59 | scorche|sh | it would probably be better to ask your followup question instead |
| 00:37:29 | lazka | your right.. |
| 00:37:38 | lazka | http://rafb.net/p/yrgewW58.html |
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| 00:42:44 | markun | lazka: interesting |
| 00:43:04 | markun | we better change the icons then |
| 00:43:12 | lazka | yeah, I haven't checked rb for a while |
| 00:43:23 | lazka | sorry.. |
| 00:44:09 | saratoga | those are used in cabbie? |
| 00:44:14 | lazka | yes |
| 00:45:03 | lazka | anyway.. gn8. it's late here |
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| 00:46:30 | markun | good night |
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| 01:59:20 | adamgolding | do any of you actually use the ratings in the rockbox db? |
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| 02:00:00 | ferrari12508 | hey |
| 02:00:25 | adamgolding | because without a way to sync the ratings with a desktop app i don't get their function |
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| 02:20:15 | MarcGuay | Arg. Is it the Quick Menu or the Quick Screen? Working with the manual is difficult. I'll default to Quick Screen unless someone tells me otherwise... |
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| 03:00:11 | Reemo | Yeah right, my theme is (almost) finished :) |
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| 03:23:44 | Guybrush | Does anybody know where I can download alternative MIDI patchsets besides the one on the Rockbox Midiplay page? |
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| 03:46:10 | Reemo | someones with an x5 awake ready to test my theme? |
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| 03:47:13 | Reemo | should work with iRiver h10's too |
| 03:50:33 | krazykit | Reemo, you could always use the simulators ;) |
| 03:50:52 | Reemo | I'd like to have some feedback anyway ;) |
| 03:51:01 | Reemo | Runs fine on my X5 |
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| 03:59:51 | MarcGuay | Anybody around with an H10? How do you exit the quick screen? |
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| 04:01:10 | soap | RTFM |
| 04:01:11 | soap | ;) |
| 04:01:53 | MarcGuay | soap: I'm trying to FTFM. |
| 04:01:55 | MarcGuay | :) |
| 04:02:18 | MarcGuay | The apps/keymap doesn't even have a ACTION_STD_CANCEL for that context. |
| 04:02:40 | MarcGuay | Maybe it falls back to the default? |
| 04:02:47 | JdGordon | MarcGuay: better try the sim, but im thinking power? |
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| 04:03:04 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: Good idea, didn't think of taht. |
| 04:03:07 | MarcGuay | *dat |
| 04:03:35 | JdGordon | MarcGuay: and yes.. that "LAST_ITEM_IN_LIST__NEXTLIST(CONTEXT_STD)" line means check the stanrdd context next if its not found yet |
| 04:04:14 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: You are the man. Thanksies. |
| 04:04:38 | JdGordon | MarcGuay: hmm.. no looks like is the left button... |
| 04:05:22 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: Yep. I got confused by the fact that it has a Left button as well as a Prev button... Used to them being the same... |
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| 04:13:00 | MarcGuay | Why doesn't the M5 have an apps/keymap? Is it identical with the X5? |
| 04:13:14 | JdGordon | i think so |
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| 04:32:58 | MarcGuay | Is the Archos av300 just another name for a supported target or something completely other? |
| 04:33:27 | * | MarcGuay is ignorant of many things. |
| 04:34:52 | JdGordon | something new |
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| 04:35:10 | JdGordon | well.. not new.. just not finished yet |
| 04:35:19 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: Thanks again. |
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| 06:45:51 | MarcGuay | Changes to the wiki have also messed with what is considered a ValidWikiPageName (see the hard drive names on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement)... I should probably make a list.. |
| 06:49:33 | wpyh | MarcGuay: I think we should use the old style of wiki names |
| 06:49:52 | wpyh | there are too many words/abbreviations with two initial capitals |
| 06:51:32 | MarcGuay | I'm assuming it's a mistake. The wiki was updated over the weekend (possibly to a newer version of TWiki?), and I've noticed quite a few little quirks like this one. |
| 06:52:13 | wpyh | yeah, probably |
| 06:52:22 | wpyh | and there are things like FE0D being a wiki name ;) |
| 06:52:31 | wpyh | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CFModGuide |
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| 06:56:00 | MarcGuay | wpyh: Did you not get a blank page when you went to edit? Maybe I need to clear my cache... |
| 06:57:22 | wpyh | MarcGuay: today I've saved my edits to that page as checkpoints... does that affect your side? |
| 06:58:16 | MarcGuay | I get blank pages when I try to edit it.. Doesn't happen with others. |
| 06:59:57 | wpyh | hm... are you editing it right now? |
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| 07:00:16 | wpyh | if not then I'll save my changes |
| 07:00:24 | MarcGuay | Go ahead.. |
| 07:01:16 | wpyh | done |
| 07:01:25 | wpyh | please try again and see if you get a blank page |
| 07:02:47 | MarcGuay | Now it's okay.. Previously if someone was editing it when you clicked the edit button, you'd get a warning.. |
| 07:03:03 | MarcGuay | wpyh: Is there any reason those .bin files at the bottom aren't hidden? |
| 07:03:39 | wpyh | ah, so it's another bug / problem of the new wiki |
| 07:04:11 | wpyh | those are attachments −− when I added mine last time, I saw that the other attachments are not hidden, so I didn't hide mine |
| 07:04:25 | wpyh | I thought they were not hidden on purpose... |
| 07:05:03 | MarcGuay | wpyh: Seems to me like they're the same files which have been added to the chart right above them. |
| 07:05:16 | MarcGuay | wpyh: Could be wrong, and it's definitely not all of them. |
| 07:06:01 | wpyh | yes, they are the ATA identify files... I don't remember but it seems that most of the files are not hidden |
| 07:06:07 | wpyh | maybe you could hide them? :) |
| 07:07:26 | MarcGuay | wpyh: You know, I would , but I get a blank page when I try to go to the "attach" screen. For another day... |
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| 07:08:15 | wpyh | hm... shall I try to do that over here then? |
| 07:08:55 | wpyh | (I don't get a blank page) |
| 07:09:36 | * | wpyh gets a blank page when he tries to manage an attachment |
| 07:10:28 | MarcGuay | wpyh: Sorry, yeah, it's the manage screen.. |
| 07:11:03 | wpyh | maybe we need to wait for the wiki admin to fix this... |
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| 08:20:29 | amiconn | scorche: Did you do anything with the VM yet? |
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| 08:22:24 | scorche|sh | amiconn: i have been looking at it as a reference for a few things...started a new image...realized that 2GB of allocated space would not be enough and plan on making another one when i am not due for exploring Berlin |
| 08:23:09 | JdGordon | 2gb should be enough.... |
| 08:23:22 | JdGordon | temporarily stick /home on another partition for the compiling |
| 08:23:56 | amiconn | The disk is 6GB, split into 5.5GB for / and the rest for swap |
| 08:25:03 | amiconn | 2GB are taken atm (including everything necessary to build, even an svn checkout) |
| 08:26:13 | scorche|sh | and some people like to have multiple svn checkouts |
| 08:26:39 | amiconn | You can resize the disk if more space is all you need |
| 08:26:42 | JdGordon | I have a qemu debian image here (without X and cross compilers yet) and its barely 800mb.. and that can definatly be trimmed down |
| 08:27:00 | amiconn | JdGordon: The crosscompilers add a lot... |
| 08:27:31 | scorche|sh | JdGordon: not to mention texlive, X, etc |
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| 08:27:56 | JdGordon | 200mb for the compilers on my box... |
| 08:28:05 | JdGordon | how big is the TeX stuff? |
| 08:28:05 | scorche|sh | it adds up |
| 08:28:29 | scorche|sh | 200 or so, i think for texlive and dependencies....i am not sure though and that is just a random guess |
| 08:28:42 | scorche|sh | 300 or so, possibly.. |
| 08:29:14 | amiconn | There is no X in my image |
| 08:29:28 | amiconn | The texlive stuff is about 500MB uncompressed |
| 08:29:56 | JdGordon | we probably dont need X at all... just setup the win32 cross compiler for the sim and samba to share it |
| 08:30:09 | amiconn | Guess what my image contains... |
| 08:30:20 | JdGordon | just setup the win32 cross compiler for the sim and samba to share it |
| 08:30:26 | JdGordon | :p |
| 08:30:28 | amiconn | win32 crosscompiler, sdl-win32, and samba... |
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| 08:34:52 | gromit`` | shit :) |
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| 08:53:57 | ryran | hey everyone. looking for a tip or two on my non-graphic progress bar code: %pb|-|7|-|306|9| gives me just what I want in the sim, but when I actually load the wps on my ipod video I end up with a blank line where the pb should be. |
| 08:54:18 | ryran | anyone have any ideas? |
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| 08:59:00 | webguest31 | So |
| 08:59:10 | webguest31 | Hi.. |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:22 | webguest31 | Hello everyon |
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| 09:01:11 | GodEater | so patient... |
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| 09:11:32 | * | Nico_P has posted a (hopefully) fix on FS #8977 |
| 09:11:38 | JdGordon | Nico_P: what the heck you doing!!! you cant go round fixing bugs... we dont actually want a 3.0!!! |
| 09:11:57 | ryran | lol |
| 09:12:10 | Nico_P | hahaha :D |
| 09:15:27 | ryran | hey JdGordon: can I ask..any insight on my odd %pb dilemma? |
| 09:16:04 | JdGordon | which one is that? |
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| 09:16:23 | JdGordon | o..k.. then |
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| 09:16:59 | ryran | whoops |
| 09:17:00 | JdGordon | your definatly using the same version in the sim and target? |
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| 09:17:11 | ryran | OH my. |
| 09:18:08 | ryran | that's all you had to say.. hahaha. I hadn't updated my player with a post-pb/cond.viewports build 'cause I was waiting to fix my wpses. |
| 09:18:11 | ryran | so silly |
| 09:18:25 | ryran | thanks. you're the best JDG. :) |
| 09:18:30 | JdGordon | haha |
| 09:18:34 | JdGordon | and yes... I am :D |
| 09:18:54 | B4gder | now that's sort of bug fixing we like |
| 09:19:02 | ryran | haha |
| 09:19:07 | * | B4gder inserts a "the" |
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| 09:20:51 | JdGordon | just something I from the first meeting and RSB... did you guys get some sort of "mission statement" done for rockbox? |
| 09:22:41 | B4gder | no |
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| 09:23:12 | | Nick JdGordon|uni is now known as JdGordon (i=d31c822f@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) |
| 09:23:58 | LinusN | "hack hard, have fun" - there you go :-) |
| 09:24:09 | B4gder | ah, there it is |
| 09:24:18 | LinusN | how could we forget? |
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| 09:25:43 | JdGordon | sounds good to me |
| 09:27:35 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:28:26 | LinusN | but we should probably try to agree about a general direction, like "we want to be the best firmware for audio playback on the planet" or something |
| 09:28:32 | pixelma | scorche: (if you still around and in case you heard something from him) did Llorean already tell whether his nano started working again after a charge or something? There is now a "Help! Ata error: -11" thread in the forums... |
| 09:31:19 | GodEater | pixelma: which resulted in "gone back to the OF" didn't it ? |
| 09:31:48 | scorche|sh | pixelma: i have not heard from him |
| 09:32:02 | scorche|sh | probably still flying |
| 09:32:33 | * | LinusN got home just in time to see the last 10 minutes of the EC finals |
| 09:32:52 | pixelma | GodEater: yeah, but I got that on Llorean's nano after updating to recent SVN because I wanted to check bug report... scorche's nano didn't hang but I could confirm the report |
| 09:33:03 | JdGordon | LinusN: well, even something generic like that has its problems... (no offence to anyone) but there depending on what the agreed goal of the project is I wouldnt want them on the board... |
| 09:34:11 | pixelma | GodEater: Llorean's was very low on battery and so the first idea was that it had something to do with that |
| 09:34:42 | GodEater | ah right |
| 09:34:57 | LinusN | JdGordon: i have problems deciphering that sentence |
| 09:35:12 | * | GodEater does too |
| 09:35:15 | GodEater | it doesn't parse :) |
| 09:35:23 | LinusN | ?SYNTAX ERROR |
| 09:35:41 | GodEater | ?REDO FROM START |
| 09:36:38 | JdGordon | "we want to be the best firmware for audio playback on the planet" is pretty generic.. best how? some will say play music flawlessly and ignore anything else, others will say have the most features and ignore other stuff |
| 09:37:00 | GodEater | you're looking for a mission statement which runs to several pages ? |
| 09:37:20 | JdGordon | course not... |
| 09:37:43 | JdGordon | but without it, choosing people for the board is pointless |
| 09:38:33 | GodEater | it is ? |
| 09:38:56 | JdGordon | sure, how can you know who will server best if you dont know what the goals are? |
| 09:39:28 | markun | JdGordon: don't expect to have a mission statement like "more doom and rockboy!" |
| 09:39:38 | JdGordon | oh damn! :p |
| 09:39:46 | GodEater | JdGordon: surely you nominate someone who you believe shares *your* goals ? :) |
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| 09:40:38 | JdGordon | ah, but the RSB is to to the best for rockbox, not for me... |
| 09:41:27 | GodEater | that's very selfless of you |
| 09:46:04 | B4gder | that tower only becomes more impressive the more you look at it |
| 09:46:41 | GodEater | yeah, it's pretty huge :) |
| 09:47:36 | * | GodEater can also confirm last.fm works just great |
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| 09:50:47 | * | GodEater loves pulseaudio |
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| 09:52:38 | LinusN | JdGordon: i know what you mean, and i kind of agree, but as GodEater is hinting, you should probably vote for someone who shares your goals |
| 09:53:06 | LinusN | but a good policy/mission statement is not a bad idea in this context |
| 09:53:38 | GodEater | who gets to vote by the way ? |
| 09:53:43 | wpyh | sorry for interupting, but are there any wiki admins here? |
| 09:53:45 | GodEater | s/vote/nominate |
| 09:53:53 | LinusN | wpyh: problems? |
| 09:53:59 | wpyh | yeah |
| 09:54:04 | JdGordon | GodEater: all commiters iirc |
| 09:54:05 | wpyh | let me check |
| 09:54:17 | * | GodEater tears up his nomination slip |
| 09:54:46 | wpyh | please see the irc logs at roughly 3 hours before now |
| 09:55:30 | wpyh | 1. some words are now recognized as a valid WikiName, when they shouldn't |
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| 09:56:02 | wpyh | 2. there is no warning screen when one tries to edit a page while someone else is editing; instead, only a blank screen is displayed |
| 09:56:10 | LinusN | wpyh: björn updated the wiki during devcon, and there is much more work to be done |
| 09:56:19 | wpyh | 3. trying to manage an attachment gives a blank screen |
| 09:56:26 | LinusN | the blank screens are template problems |
| 09:56:37 | wpyh | ah... |
| 09:56:40 | LinusN | the twiki template system is a little messy |
| 09:56:49 | wpyh | I'll wait for it to be fixed then :) |
| 09:56:57 | wpyh | how about the WikiName problem? |
| 09:57:32 | LinusN | it could be that Twiki has changed the rules for twikinames in later versions |
| 09:57:33 | pixelma | wasn't there a rockbox user and twiki "fan" a while ago who offered help (in the mailing list and here, I believe)? |
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| 09:57:46 | LinusN | pixelma: aurelio heckert |
| 09:58:00 | wpyh | can we change the rules to the old ones? |
| 09:58:09 | wpyh | I think the new rules are too inclusive |
| 09:58:14 | pixelma | yeah. Maybe he could help a bit? |
| 09:58:22 | LinusN | i haven't heard from hin in a while, but he did some preliminary stuff in a separate web that looked promising |
| 09:58:35 | LinusN | so he is on the case |
| 09:59:13 | wpyh | ok.. |
| 09:59:16 | LinusN | wpyh: hey, why not create a new wiki topic with your observations, like a todo list? |
| 09:59:37 | wpyh | hm... like WikiTODO? |
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| 10:00:06 | LinusN | or WikiIssues or something |
| 10:00:07 | wpyh | or WikiBugs? |
| 10:00:17 | wpyh | good idea |
| 10:00:30 | LinusN | can you do that? |
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| 10:00:57 | wpyh | LinusN: I can, but I'm not confident I can cover all issues or do it well |
| 10:01:14 | LinusN | just cover those you see |
| 10:01:17 | pixelma | others can add things |
| 10:01:22 | wpyh | ok |
| 10:01:22 | LinusN | others can fill in the rest |
| 10:01:33 | LinusN | it's just a scratchpad anyway |
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| 10:01:43 | wpyh | I think the name WikiIssues would be good, so I'll use that |
| 10:02:18 | GodEater | the mp3 recording of the first meeting is *so* much easier to follow than the ustream recording |
| 10:03:29 | B4gder | Petur is truly our #1 documenter of devcons |
| 10:03:52 | pixelma | first part was only recorded with an H300's internal mic btw. until petur remembered that he changed settings the day before |
| 10:03:53 | GodEater | yep |
| 10:04:08 | GodEater | yes, I noticed the sudden change in the middle :) |
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| 10:05:49 | * | Nico_P is still looking for testers for his FS #8977 fix |
| 10:07:08 | GodEater | is it only the one model which is affected ? (/me doesn't quite believe this) |
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| 10:10:58 | Nico_P | GodEater: affected by what? |
| 10:11:11 | GodEater | your bug |
| 10:11:14 | JUSTWJX | Hey,guys |
| 10:11:15 | GodEater | that you've fixed |
| 10:11:39 | Nico_P | GodEater: I think the bug affects all SWCODEC targets |
| 10:12:08 | Nico_P | even sims |
| 10:12:09 | GodEater | okay - it's just the FS task reads like it only affects one specific iPod model |
| 10:12:55 | Nico_P | yes, the wording is a bit ambiguous |
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| 10:13:21 | GodEater | I'd test for you - but my work build environment suffers from lack of access to svn still =/ |
| 10:13:44 | * | JdGordon_ is currently rebuilding crosscompilers... but will test when thats done |
| 10:14:44 | wpyh | OK, I've created a new page here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WikiIssues |
| 10:15:02 | wpyh | would be useful if it's linked somewhere (front page or documentation maybe) |
| 10:15:13 | * | Nico_P doesn't have svn acces either |
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| 10:21:09 | preglow | hmm, ata-sd-pp.c seems to pass rca as a parameter to the SET_BUS_WIDTH command, which is wrong according to the sd spec. anyone knowledgable enough to comment? |
| 10:22:06 | LinusN | wpyh: i added it to the Wiki front page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome |
| 10:23:19 | GodEater | which SoC student has disappeared ? |
| 10:23:39 | wpyh | great, will be more noticeable that way :) |
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| 10:26:01 | LinusN | GodEater: i haven't heard from taylor killian in a while, have you? |
| 10:27:38 | GodEater | never did in the first place - this is just news to me - I didn't realise we'd lost someone already :( |
| 10:28:34 | LinusN | well, we'll see |
| 10:28:42 | GodEater | midterms are very soon aren't they ? |
| 10:28:52 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:29:34 | preglow | jhMikeS: pingz? |
| 10:29:53 | wpyh | midterms? |
| 10:30:03 | GodEater | mid term evaluations for Google Summer of Code |
| 10:30:20 | GodEater | if Taylor doesn't show up soon, he'll likely be failed, and we'll have lost a project :( |
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| 10:35:38 | wpyh | oh.. |
| 10:35:45 | preglow | what project was that? |
| 10:37:19 | LinusN | arm simulator |
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| 10:41:10 | preglow | oh :/ |
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| 10:52:46 | Nico_P | hehe, I've built git at work, so I should be able to work on rockbox despite the lack of svn access :) |
| 10:53:13 | Nico_P | it's nice that git allows doing things over HTTP (thanks to libcurl) |
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| 10:55:37 | B4gder | :-) |
| 10:56:07 | Nico_P | B4gder: btw, I'm also using libcurl in a work project :) |
| 10:56:55 | B4gder | that pleases me! |
| 10:58:51 | preglow | is doing masking manually almost faster than using bitfields? |
| 10:58:59 | preglow | s/alssot/always/ |
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| 10:59:02 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:59:04 | preglow | ehh |
| 10:59:11 | preglow | mok |
| 10:59:19 | preglow | why, really? just plain bad code generating? |
| 10:59:27 | B4gder | often mostly that |
| 10:59:36 | B4gder | but bitfields also encorages bad practises |
| 10:59:46 | preglow | true |
| 10:59:55 | B4gder | "this looks like a regular variable that i'll just access and use as if it is" |
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| 11:00:45 | * | B4gder will refrain from mentioning his fights at work over these issues... :-) |
| 11:01:09 | bertrik | I've never used bitfields |
| 11:01:11 | preglow | :) |
| 11:01:13 | preglow | me neither |
| 11:01:25 | B4gder | then you are blessed and will live forever! |
| 11:01:34 | preglow | sounds like a bother :/ |
| 11:02:05 | preglow | unless you can arrange for me to do so in a designated rockbox heaven |
| 11:02:57 | B4gder | I'll fix that for you |
| 11:03:04 | preglow | \o/ |
| 11:03:12 | preglow | here i come, eternity! |
| 11:03:16 | * | B4gder pulls some strings |
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| 11:35:38 | markun | wpyh: thanks for updating the wiki, I didn't know about the M3'SL' |
| 11:37:37 | Nico_P | cloning the rockbox git repo is taking ages! |
| 11:38:46 | Nico_P | (the internet link at work typically downloads at ~15KB/s) |
| 11:39:00 | markun | Nico_P: we were talking about an official git repo for rockbox which updated after every commit. Do you know how we could set it up? |
| 11:39:59 | JdGordon | Nico_P: sorry about the lag... i just checked our recipe and it definatly is easy to reporduce... testing now with the patch |
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| 11:40:35 | Nico_P | markun: it would be quite easy I think. syncing is just a matter of having an svn post-commit hook run "git svn rebase" on the git repo |
| 11:41:00 | Nico_P | JdGordon: cool, thanks :) |
| 11:41:14 | markun | Nico_P: yes, shouldn't be difficult |
| 11:41:47 | Nico_P | markun: the intial setup requires a bit of thought (e.g. which branches to import), but it's far from difficult |
| 11:42:18 | JdGordon | ... just waiting for the damn OF to connect to usb... |
| 11:42:39 | Nico_P | maybe we'll want to use git-svnimport instead of git-svn though |
| 11:42:53 | JdGordon | what brought the git talk up again? |
| 11:42:59 | * | JdGordon thought we were happy with svn? |
| 11:43:12 | Nico_P | they talked about setting up a mirror at devcon |
| 11:43:24 | Nico_P | ...no switching |
| 11:44:18 | GodEater | what's the different between git-svnimport and regular git-svn ? |
| 11:44:58 | Nico_P | git-svn is two-way, i.e. it allows committing to svn |
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| 11:45:06 | GodEater | ah I see |
| 11:45:22 | JdGordon | Nico_P: after skipping back to the begning of the track, do I need to wait for the song to finish? or can I press next? |
| 11:45:22 | * | preglow doesn't really see a compelling reason to use git for rockbox |
| 11:45:30 | * | GodEater wonders what the point of a read-only git repo for Rockbox is |
| 11:45:54 | Nico_P | JdGordon: you can press next |
| 11:46:08 | Nico_P | maybe wait for buffering to end before doing it, though |
| 11:46:12 | JdGordon | then I dont tihnk that fixed it... |
| 11:46:20 | * | JdGordon double checks |
| 11:46:24 | markun | preglow: it makes working on different things at the same time easy |
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| 11:46:47 | markun | GodEater: faster download of the source for people who use git? |
| 11:47:09 | markun | with git-svn every revision is downloaded |
| 11:47:25 | JdGordon | Nico_P: hmm... actually.. yeah seems ok |
| 11:47:39 | JdGordon | I may have started on a different track that I thought I was on |
| 11:47:53 | Nico_P | GodEater: hmm, maybe it would be best to build the mirror with git-svn so that people who clone it can then use it to commit to svn |
| 11:48:17 | Nico_P | JdGordon: maybe I overlooked something |
| 11:48:23 | pixelma | JdGordon: about the quickscreen on Nano when language is set to German bug... a Nano sim doesn't crash but you can see that the lines doesn't scroll when they should be and the center icons are missing (compare to other sims with even smaller displays) |
| 11:48:35 | pixelma | *don't |
| 11:49:21 | JdGordon | Nico_P: nope, it works... |
| 11:50:16 | JdGordon | pixelma: does germnan work on the smaller displays? |
| 11:51:09 | GodEater | Nico_P: I think a two way git-repo is a much better idea, otherwise there's little point maintaining a remote repo - you might as well just git-svn import your own copy from the existing svn repo, and then commit back to that |
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| 11:51:40 | Reemo | hmm hey guys |
| 11:51:47 | Reemo | just noticed something when fixing some themes |
| 11:52:35 | pixelma | yeah, works on M5, Mini, small H10, c200 - can't test on my Archos |
| 11:53:31 | pixelma | that's why the idea with the Nano's and e200's screen width clash |
| 11:54:04 | Reemo | http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/apples_shuffle_symbol_trademark_clears_trademark_office_hurdle/ |
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| 11:54:17 | Reemo | The shuffle icon used in several themes is... copyrighted by Apple -.- |
| 11:54:30 | Nico_P | JdGordon: great :) |
| 11:54:39 | JdGordon | for some reason i couldnt even load the german lang file last night in the nano sim... ill try again now though |
| 11:55:00 | JdGordon | it does look wierd in the e200 sim though, and if they have the same width they should act the same |
| 11:55:32 | Nico_P | GodEater: there would be one advantage: devs wouldn't have to import the svn repo themselves (it's slow), but I agree two-way is probably better anyway |
| 11:56:51 | markun | and I guess we need to replace some icons because of license problems http://rafb.net/p/yrgewW58.html |
| 11:57:31 | Reemo | ouch |
| 11:57:37 | pixelma | JdGordon: looks the same in the e200 sim as on the other targets but this is with a just before devcon revision |
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| 12:03:44 | JdGordon | pixelma: you mentioned petur's change about lcdwidth yesterday? I think that might have been spot on.... |
| 12:05:04 | pixelma | I just remember petur telling me that there is a spot in the _old_ code that assumes lcd height from lcd width. The bug report is also older... |
| 12:05:22 | pixelma | than his changes I mean |
| 12:05:42 | JdGordon | which old code? |
| 12:05:48 | JdGordon | quickscreen? |
| 12:06:22 | pixelma | I don't remember - maybe he does |
| 12:06:50 | d34df00d | Why BlackGlass AA theme doesn't work with the new rockbox build rev. 17888? |
| 12:06:58 | d34df00d | And what should I do to fix it? |
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| 12:07:44 | Reemo | d34df00d, its probably the progress bar |
| 12:07:49 | Reemo | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17759 |
| 12:07:49 | Reemo | I'm on repairing some themes, too |
| 12:08:07 | d34df00d | Reemo: so I should wait for the theme update? |
| 12:08:19 | Reemo | I just repair those i like |
| 12:08:34 | Reemo | And just for X5 ;) |
| 12:08:40 | d34df00d | Reemo: I can't do it because I don't have any skills of writing WPS files :) |
| 12:08:57 | Reemo | Question is wether its allowed to update them (license stuff) |
| 12:09:07 | Reemo | d34df00d, i got to know rockbox ... 2 days ago ;P |
| 12:09:15 | Reemo | (practically) |
| 12:12:05 | Reemo | whats your model? |
| 12:12:19 | Nico_P | GodEater: git-svnimport seems to have been dropped |
| 12:13:16 | d34df00d | Reemo: ipod 5g. |
| 12:13:28 | d34df00d | (5.5 probably) 80 GB video. |
| 12:13:38 | Reemo | ah okay |
| 12:20:10 | JdGordon | pixelma: fixed it... but is it better to show the icons and have it look off-center (and need to scroll), or hide icons and dont scroll? |
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| 12:21:30 | petur | JdGordon: did you find the code pixelma mentioned? I fail to find it for the moment although I remember writing a TO BE FIXED comment next to it (or something like that) |
| 12:22:46 | JdGordon | petur: im not sure which you mean... i found the display->lcdwidth in quickscreen.c which i've fixed |
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| 12:23:11 | JdGordon | I need to go through and check every single occurance of ->lcdwidth|height :( |
| 12:24:16 | pixelma | JdGordon: hiding the icons still won't be enough on some targets or screens or in combination with a large font to avoid scrolling so I don't think it's worth it to invent an extra case for that |
| 12:24:31 | pixelma | personal opinion though |
| 12:25:19 | JdGordon | ok, gonna try something which will hopefully look nice and still be usable |
| 12:26:15 | JdGordon | pixelma: mind testing out a patch? |
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| 12:27:43 | petur | JdGordon: I'll try to have a look later (tonight), gtg now... |
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| 12:28:35 | JdGordon | pixelma: http://rafb.net/p/rbBAx142.html |
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| 12:34:13 | Reemo | hmm is anybody responsible for the themes here? |
| 12:34:19 | LinusN | we all are |
| 12:34:33 | Reemo | So where should i upload corrected ones ;) |
| 12:34:52 | Reemo | And are all rockbox-themes.org themes CC-by-sa licensed? |
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| 12:35:45 | PaulJam | LinusN: just wondering, was there at least a little progress on the H300 bootloader issues during devcon? |
| 12:39:01 | LinusN | PaulJam: yes, i know which revision that broke it |
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| 12:39:28 | PaulJam | cool, that sounds promising. |
| 12:40:00 | LinusN | Reemo: i think not |
| 12:40:25 | LinusN | regarding corrections, you are probably supposed to contact the author in the first place |
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| 12:40:46 | Reemo | hmm okay |
| 12:40:51 | LinusN | PaulJam: yes, kind of. but i don't yet know what caused it |
| 12:40:56 | Reemo | good to know, just edited one public domain theme yet |
| 12:41:15 | B4gder | public domain really? |
| 12:41:53 | Reemo | Yep |
| 12:41:59 | Reemo | HiPod Themes |
| 12:42:50 | B4gder | we need a themes site |
| 12:43:00 | Reemo | a working theme site ;) |
| 12:43:04 | B4gder | I reacted since you cannot actually make anything "public domain" in practise |
| 12:43:47 | Reemo | hiPod themes are in fact very... difficult to handle |
| 12:44:18 | Reemo | first they empathize the iPod Themes |
| 12:44:37 | Reemo | And second, which is probably the point of failure: shuffle icon is trademarked. |
| 12:51:28 | scorche|sh | Reemo: most of the themes there should be cc-by-sa...the ones that do should have a little icon on them |
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| 12:56:53 | Reemo | yepp scorche, but i was confused by the form for submitting new themes |
| 12:57:13 | Reemo | where you just have the "I, $name declare this ... CC-by-sa" |
| 12:59:20 | scorche|sh | that was not always there |
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| 14:00:12 | bertrik | Has anyone ever considered writing a kind of command shell plugin? |
| 14:00:57 | Nico_P | bertrik: entering commands would be a pain... |
| 14:00:58 | bertrik | I thinking of writing one as a proof of concept. It would allow you to do a kind of on-target debugging for example |
| 14:01:16 | bertrik | I was thinking of letting the input/output run through a UART or USB serial |
| 14:01:35 | Nico_P | USB serial would be nice :) |
| 14:03:31 | B4gder | that'd be really cool |
| 14:03:58 | bertrik | USB serial and UARTS could register themselves as a character input/output device (for getc, putc), so the plugin would not need to know where the characters came from |
| 14:04:51 | bertrik | I would have to make USB serial work properly first (for both windows and linux) |
| 14:05:35 | Nico_P | would that allow remote debugging with gdb? |
| 14:06:20 | bertrik | The available commands in the command shell could at first be as simple as peek/poke/dump like functions and later add more advanced features. When implemented as a plugin it does not affect the core code size. |
| 14:06:50 | B4gder | yes, using usb serial gdb on target should be possible |
| 14:06:53 | bertrik | Nico_P, I don't know much about gdb stubs yet |
| 14:06:57 | LinusN | bertrik: imho it would be a lot more useful to write a gdb stub |
| 14:08:37 | bertrik | I think both would be useful. I think I can get a command shell running pretty quickly, but for a gdb stub I need to read up a lot first. |
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| 14:09:33 | tdtooke | Ok, who should I bug here about reopening a patch on the tracker? |
| 14:10:27 | tdtooke | I haven't looked in a while but it seems progressbar-slider has been closed and I'm to use px. I really don't want to use 80+ images just for a slider and I've rewritten the patch and it is now half it's original size so I'm wanting to campaign this thing. |
| 14:10:50 | bertrik | USB serial should have become a little easier now that windows xp sp3 is out. AFAIK they fixed some bugs that make the windows usb serial more standards compliant |
| 14:12:57 | PaulJam | tdtooke: i think with clever use of viewports it should be possible to reduce the amount of images you would need for a slider progressbar. just break up the progressbar into several viewports that use the same imagestrip. not sure if that works in practice, though. |
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| 14:15:00 | tdtooke | I don't think it'd be too smooth that way, an image strip would make it jerky since the smoothness I'm accustomed to would have the imagestrip filled with overlapping images, not that that's possible |
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| 14:26:41 | PaulJam | tdtooke: i'm not sure i understand. the images from a single imagestrip always overlap, since they have the same coordinates. as long as only one image of the strip is shown at a time i don't see the problem. |
| 14:31:04 | PaulJam | but with a separate tag for a slider progressbar this would of course be much much easier. |
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| 14:32:18 | tdtooke | What I did in the patch was just have it look for an 's' at the end of the %pb tag, if one was there it was a slider, if not it wasn't. I think I understand what you're getting at now, basically I'd need 80+ viewports then? I think? |
| 14:33:02 | LinusN | tdtooke: if we were to add support for a slider bar, how would you like it to behave? |
| 14:34:26 | tdtooke | I'd want it to be pretty smooth without having to have multiple images or viewports basically |
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| 14:36:57 | tdtooke | Personally I think what I did is pretty lean, all it is is adding an option for the slider in draw progressbar which calls an added function slider_progressbar_draw and I added a bool is_slider and that's pretty much it |
| 14:38:39 | tdtooke | The slider_progressbar_draw function is the same as it ever was, I just removed all the unnecessary tokenizer craziness from the old one and tightened it up |
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| 14:40:14 | Nico_P | tdtooke: does your patch allow drawing both a regular pb and a slider pb? |
| 14:40:19 | tdtooke | yes |
| 14:40:35 | Nico_P | nice :) |
| 14:40:45 | tdtooke | if it finds the 's' at the end of the pb tag it sets is_slider to true, else it's a regular progressbar |
| 14:45:48 | tdtooke | If you guys want I can give you a link to the patch I did on my homepage so you can see if it's crazy or doable |
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| 15:45:19 | Strife89 | I'm working on the Wiki today. |
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| 15:46:06 | Strife89 | Could someone offer suggestions for questions for the Battery FAQ? |
| 15:46:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | Let me see what's there now. |
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| 15:49:43 | Strife89 | IRC is being slow today..... Darn it. |
| 15:49:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: The whole FAQ seems to be Archos-centered. If you'd like, you can make that all one section, then start one for Li-Ion batteries. |
| 15:50:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | One good question to put up would be "What would be a good charging habit for my Li-Ion batteries?" |
| 15:53:21 | Strife89 | REALLY SLOW. That last message of mine took three minutes to show up. |
| 15:54:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: Mibbit! |
| 15:54:49 | Strife89 | I've got some battery research up right now. Perhaps I can make separate pages for each? Then I could list the devices on each page that uses those batteries. |
| 15:56:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: Try to keep it together as one if possible. |
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| 16:01:08 | Strife89 | "Mibbit"? |
| 16:01:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | Web IRC client. |
| 16:01:55 | dionoea | mibbit.com |
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| 16:03:16 | BlameHofmann | hey guys, was wondering if anyone can help me... |
| 16:04:57 | BlameHofmann | i've got the 0627 build on my ipod 80, and after installing the WPS has reverted to the default (ie. number. track, name track, artist, album, year and then the progress bar and the meter)... I've tried changing skin but it does'nt fix it |
| 16:05:18 | dionoea | Must be because WPS syntax changed recently |
| 16:05:26 | dionoea | try getting an uptodate WPS from the website |
| 16:06:07 | BlameHofmann | from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery ? |
| 16:06:24 | dionoea | I guess so. Other people here would know for sure. |
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| 16:06:37 | Reemo | BlameHofmann, get the WPS Tag Reference |
| 16:06:38 | BlameHofmann | k, thanks brb in 5 with results |
| 16:06:40 | Reemo | and look for %P tag |
| 16:06:52 | Reemo | You have to change it to %pb with some additional changes |
| 16:07:01 | Reemo | i had the svn commit msg... |
| 16:07:13 | Reemo | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17759 |
| 16:07:27 | BlameHofmann | okay, thanks a lot |
| 16:07:39 | BlameHofmann | and i'll need to change every skin I have? |
| 16:08:28 | BlameHofmann | forget that, found the PERL script :) |
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| 16:10:05 | Strife89 | Aha! Thanks, lambda! :) |
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| 16:13:04 | Strife89 | I'm afraid I lost your suggestions, Lamba; do you mind repeating them? |
| 16:13:17 | krazykit | Strife89, you can always read the logs ;) |
| 16:13:25 | Strife89 | :slaps forehead: |
| 16:14:11 | Reemo | BlameHofmann, try it |
| 16:14:16 | Reemo | i dont know wether it works properly |
| 16:14:27 | Reemo | afaik %P is Line positioned, while %pb is Absolute |
| 16:14:40 | JdGordon | ... so once Nico_P commits his patch, we wont have any showstoppers left? |
| 16:14:51 | JdGordon | Reemo: there is no %P tag |
| 16:15:04 | B4gder | JdGordon: yeah, that feels scary! |
| 16:15:30 | Reemo | Not any more |
| 16:15:33 | Reemo | ? |
| 16:15:43 | JdGordon | it was removed last week |
| 16:15:48 | Strife89 | krazykit: Do the logs go that far? (IOW, how far behind is the live feed?) |
| 16:16:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: Dude, the logs record *everything*. ;) |
| 16:16:09 | Reemo | Yepp, i told so |
| 16:16:26 | Reemo | %P was(!) line positioned, wasnt it? |
| 16:16:28 | Strife89 | I know that. But I'm nowhere in the live feed at the moment. |
| 16:16:38 | Strife89 | Neither is Lambda |
| 16:17:00 | Strife89 | D'oh! Never mind. |
| 16:17:11 | Strife89 | My laptop is slow to load things today. |
| 16:18:03 | * | LambdaCalculus37 hands Strife89 a new internet connection |
| 16:18:49 | * | Strife89 appreciates the offer. :) |
| 16:19:41 | * | Strife89 thinks his WiFi is flaking out today. |
| 16:20:10 | JdGordon | Reemo: no, %P wasnt... %P did nothing other than say what file to use for the progressbar bitmap |
| 16:20:15 | kugel | JdGordon: I can't tell why the pf patch doesn't work for you. Have you tried it on a target yet? |
| 16:20:19 | Reemo | ah okay |
| 16:20:30 | JdGordon | kugel: no, i havnt... |
| 16:20:40 | JdGordon | ill try it in a min |
| 16:20:45 | PaulJam | Reemo: %P was just to specify the buitmap.%p is (and was) line- or absolute positioned depending on wether a y coordinate was given |
| 16:20:46 | JdGordon | it should work in the sim though... |
| 16:20:50 | pixelma | Strife89: the live feed always lags a bit, the text only version is quicker but you need to refresh the page yourself |
| 16:20:56 | Reemo | ah okay |
| 16:21:00 | kugel | JdGordon: it does for me, sim and target |
| 16:22:13 | Strife89 | I'm a little nervous about what I put on the PluginReversi Wiki page. Can someone look at it? (You'll see what I mean.) |
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| 16:23:18 | Strife89 | Here. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginReversi |
| 16:23:34 | * | LambdaCalculus37 reads it |
| 16:23:35 | Reemo | btw, since the current rockbox-themes.org page doesnt offer submitting new themes i uploaded my theme to my blog |
| 16:23:43 | Reemo | maybe X5 and H10 users are interested in testing it |
| 16:24:25 | PaulJam | Reemo: why not to the WPSGallery on the wiki? |
| 16:24:41 | Reemo | didnt know i can do it there |
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| 16:25:52 | BlameHofmann | So instead of changing %P to %pb, I need to change %p to %pb? |
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| 16:26:47 | kugel | There's a script which does that for you |
| 16:26:48 | PaulJam | BlameHofmann: no, you need to remove %P completely and adjust the %pb to the new syntax |
| 16:27:07 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I hope I'll manage to commit this evening |
| 16:27:26 | JdGordon | Nico_P: still internet problems? or time problems? |
| 16:27:26 | Nico_P | If not I'll probably just get someone to do it for me |
| 16:27:49 | BlameHofmann | ok thanks |
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| 16:28:13 | Nico_P | JdGordon: internet problems... at work I can't access anything but the web, and at the hotel the internet link gets overloaded very often |
| 16:28:22 | kugel | BlameHofmann: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9027?getfile=16785 |
| 16:28:49 | Nico_P | time too, but that's less of a problem |
| 16:29:58 | BlameHofmann | @ kugel: I don't have PERL on this computer |
| 16:30:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | BlameHoffmann: So install it. :) |
| 16:30:30 | JdGordon | kugel: getting "read_bmp_fd: Bitmap too wide (50945 pixels, max is 176)" on every bmp with your patch |
| 16:31:10 | * | JdGordon hopes he is using the correct version |
| 16:32:09 | kugel | JdGordon: on every? Maybe there's just 1 bmp which is too wide and it makes the initializing stop |
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| 16:32:33 | JdGordon | nono...every one.... sim says so |
| 16:33:10 | kugel | JdGordon: I tried h300 sim, on both 32bit and 64bit system, and it works |
| 16:33:20 | kugel | I highly doubt my patch is causing that |
| 16:33:56 | kugel | would be nice if you can double check your bmps, maybe the header is messed up or something |
| 16:33:58 | JdGordon | sad but true... plain svn works fine |
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| 16:34:16 | vertic23 | hey |
| 16:34:33 | kugel | JdGordon: Still, can you try it on a target? |
| 16:34:53 | JdGordon | im not commiting if it doesnt work in the sim... |
| 16:35:21 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 16:35:47 | JdGordon | compiling for my h300... |
| 16:35:52 | vertic23 | I got a problem with my cowon iAudio X5V - it doesnot recharge any anymore - only over USB :/ I read it could be that the battery is "damaged" or in some undefined state - but it's strange that it works over USB - and the battery lasts imho even longer than before |
| 16:35:52 | B4gder | what patch is this? |
| 16:36:13 | JdGordon | pictureflow updates |
| 16:36:21 | JdGordon | 8335 |
| 16:36:55 | kugel | JdGordon: a test on the target please... |
| 16:37:28 | kugel | I know that you won't commit it when it doesn't work on the sim (for you), but a real-target test is really appreciated anyway |
| 16:37:30 | vertic23 | wow, but 16 mb/s transfer speed now... my player is very strange somehow right now |
| 16:37:59 | Strife89 | LambdaCalculus37: So, is it alright? |
| 16:38:01 | JdGordon | kugel: yeah yeah... testing.. getting lots of "could not read bitmap" splashes |
| 16:38:24 | B4gder | kugel: the width*width in the memcpy() line is probably a typo? |
| 16:38:40 | kugel | B4gder: AFAIK it has been there before |
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| 16:39:00 | kugel | JdGordon: what sizes are your bmp? |
| 16:39:09 | B4gder | oh right |
| 16:39:13 | B4gder | it doesn't make sense to me though |
| 16:39:28 | * | JdGordon guesses its because it forces square images? |
| 16:39:49 | B4gder | ah right |
| 16:39:57 | kugel | JdGordon: yea, my guess. |
| 16:40:00 | kugel | - rb->memcpy(input_bmp_buffer, output_bmp_buffer, |
| 16:40:02 | kugel | - config.avg_album_width * config.avg_album_width * sizeof(fb_data)); |
| 16:40:10 | JdGordon | 100x100 or 120x120 |
| 16:40:11 | B4gder | not that I think it's fine anyway |
| 16:40:19 | B4gder | since the day someone changes that... |
| 16:41:45 | kugel | Well, but I also have some bmp which are not exactly squared |
| 16:42:03 | JdGordon | dunno... anyway, failed on target also |
| 16:42:22 | kugel | JdGordon: You could try config.avg_album_height for 1 of the _width |
| 16:42:42 | JdGordon | thats not the issue, im pretty sure |
| 16:44:03 | kugel | JdGordon: Can you also try to set the default "config.resize" to false? |
| 16:44:04 | pixelma | average album width? |
| 16:45:07 | JdGordon | kugel: line? |
| 16:45:33 | kugel | about 1650 |
| 16:45:35 | B4gder | eh |
| 16:45:41 | B4gder | you've broken the config file format |
| 16:45:46 | B4gder | so if JdGordon loads an existing file... |
| 16:45:49 | B4gder | kaboom |
| 16:45:50 | | Part juxtap |
| 16:45:59 | B4gder | won't it? |
| 16:46:14 | B4gder | no |
| 16:46:16 | kugel | B4gder: yes, but he deleted his pf folder |
| 16:46:32 | B4gder | we should put a binary version number in that file anyway |
| 16:46:38 | B4gder | to make it easier to change it |
| 16:47:07 | B4gder | binary files read as structs are evil |
| 16:47:16 | kugel | B4gder: deleting the folder also results in resetting the config of course, so this one isn't the cause of his problems |
| 16:47:24 | B4gder | true |
| 16:47:34 | JdGordon | arnt they text filkes? |
| 16:47:36 | JdGordon | files |
| 16:47:42 | JdGordon | isnt it using the config file lib? |
| 16:48:01 | B4gder | no |
| 16:48:08 | B4gder | rb->read() |
| 16:48:13 | JdGordon | eeek! |
| 16:48:20 | JdGordon | who wrote this plugin?! |
| 16:48:28 | JdGordon | kugel: no change |
| 16:48:59 | kugel | well, I have no idea why it works perfectly for me but not at all for you |
| 16:49:07 | Nico_P | JdGordon: it was j0tt who wrote most of it |
| 16:49:40 | B4gder | kugel: what target(s) do you test it on? |
| 16:50:05 | kugel | e200 target, e200+h300 sim (32&64bit) |
| 16:50:05 | BlameHofmann | right... installed perl, where do i go from here |
| 16:50:11 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wonders what plugin it was that made JdGordon "eeek" like a girl |
| 16:51:07 | B4gder | ok, I can't see any obvious BE vs LE case but h300 is BE |
| 16:51:12 | B4gder | big endian |
| 16:51:42 | JdGordon | readlong() is safe? |
| 16:51:51 | kugel | B4gder: JdGordon also tests on a h300 sim |
| 16:52:09 | JdGordon | width = readlong(&bmph.width); is coming from the bmp header |
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| 16:56:32 | JdGordon | kugel: can you do a patch which just adds the title? and do the other stuff in a seperate one? |
| 16:57:39 | kugel | JdGordon: take v3 |
| 16:57:51 | JdGordon | probably not in sync |
| 16:57:58 | kugel | JdGordon: well, it's not sync |
| 16:57:59 | kugel | yes |
| 16:58:58 | B4gder | that code needs a bit of policing... |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:04 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gives B4gder his "Code Police" badge and a whistle :) |
| 17:00:26 | JdGordon | dont forget the batton |
| 17:00:29 | * | B4gder stands straight. Thank you Sir! |
| 17:00:42 | * | LambdaCalculus37 also give B4gder his baton |
| 17:00:52 | * | JdGordon slaps LambdaCalculus37 |
| 17:00:55 | JdGordon | not baton.... batton |
| 17:00:55 | Strife89 | LambdaCalculus37: So, is the Wiki page fine? |
| 17:01:06 | JdGordon | that extra t is the extender bit to hit minority suspects :D |
| 17:01:13 | B4gder | but I rather wait until kugel has worked these things out so I don't just make it more annoying |
| 17:01:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: Edit the questions so that they're bold, so people can tell them apart from the answers. |
| 17:01:48 | Strife89 | What's the bold syntax? |
| 17:01:53 | * | LambdaCalculus37 rubs his head where JdGordon slapped it... ouch! |
| 17:02:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: IIRC you use asterisks (*) for bold. |
| 17:02:19 | Strife89 | Gotcha. :) |
| 17:03:13 | Strife89 | Done. |
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| 17:04:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: Much nicer looking now. :) |
| 17:04:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Wanna add a screencap to the page? |
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| 17:05:27 | JdGordon | is rbutilqt being renamed before 3.0? |
| 17:05:31 | Strife89 | LambdaCalculus37: Thank you. |
| 17:05:34 | Strife89 | :) |
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| 17:12:43 | BlameHofmann | @ kugel: How do you use the perl script? |
| 17:14:02 | kugel | BlameHofmann: "./wpsconvpb.pl input.wps > output.wps" |
| 17:16:14 | | Part B4gder |
| 17:16:48 | BlameHofmann | @ kugel: and type that into perl? |
| 17:17:11 | GodEater | BlameHofmann: no, type that into a regular bash prompt |
| 17:17:16 | kugel | BlameHofmann: No, run in the command line. Perl is an interpreted language |
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| 17:19:35 | BlameHofmann | I don't understand? - '.' is not recognised as an internal or external command |
| 17:19:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | BlameHoffmann: Windows, Linux, or OS X? |
| 17:20:03 | BlameHofmann | XP |
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| 17:20:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then navigate to the folder where the script is, and type "perl wpsconvpb.pl input.wps > output.wps" |
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| 17:21:43 | kugel | JdGordon: when you commit the changes seperately, that'll break the pf config more than once |
| 17:22:14 | JdGordon | no because they should be changed to txt |
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| 17:24:26 | BlameHofmann | @ Lambda: k, thanks, think I've got it |
| 17:25:28 | kugel | JdGordon: ok, I've prepared a sync'd v3 now |
| 17:26:08 | JdGordon | 1.30am... im going to bed |
| 17:26:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | JdGordon: Good night! |
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| 17:31:48 | amiconn | The memcpy() call kugel posted is very wrong for < 8 bit targets, and 2 bit targets also have album art... |
| 17:32:01 | pixelma | but not pf |
| 17:32:28 | * | amiconn wonders about that inconsistency |
| 17:33:15 | kugel | amiconn: but it's not the cause of jdgordons problems, is it? |
| 17:33:42 | kugel | it doesn't work on his h300 sim&target, but it does work on my h300 sim and e200 sim&target |
| 17:34:06 | * | amiconn doesn't know |
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| 17:35:48 | PaulJam | pictureflow seems to be a bit buggy in general, at some point it just stopped working and freezes instead when it tried to build the slides. and also before it didn't handle added or removed albums very well. |
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| 17:37:15 | pixelma | noticed that too, and the controls on c200 are a bit broken because of pluginlib actions (you can't move up or down in the track list as that just brings you back to the album art view |
| 17:37:19 | kugel | amiconn: jdgorden gets "read_bmp_fd: Bitmap too wide (50945 pixels, max is 176)" on every bmp with my patch. I don't have any problems |
| 17:37:45 | BlameHofmann | I went through all my .wps files with the script, but after a restart on the iPod nothing's changed |
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| 17:38:58 | PaulJam | BlameHofmann: the %m|| tags were removed too, maybe the themes you use contain those. |
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| 17:39:42 | BlameHofmann | :-| |
| 17:39:52 | BlameHofmann | lol and if they did, how do I fix that? |
| 17:39:58 | pixelma | that won't cause a rejection of the wps though, they are just ignored which means that some positions are not right |
| 17:40:27 | BlameHofmann | @ pixelma: all the wps's are being rejected completley |
| 17:40:28 | PaulJam | pixelma: it will cause rejection because of the "|"s |
| 17:40:55 | pixelma | this was at least the case with the last patch I tried before the commit |
| 17:41:01 | pixelma | PaulJam: did you try? |
| 17:41:28 | kugel | pixelma: i tried :) |
| 17:41:54 | amiconn | Pictureflow is a bug. It spits very confusing messages if there is no album art on the disk |
| 17:43:04 | petur | haha |
| 17:43:05 | kugel | BlameHofmann: Look into your wps files. The tool converts in a very basic way. E.g. optional parameters were ignored (i.e. use the default value) if the syntax wasn't proper before, now you have to use a "-" to make it use the default value |
| 17:43:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Speaking of bugs, there's been another long-standing bug with Pictureflow. |
| 17:43:12 | * | petur adds a golden quote |
| 17:43:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Refreshing the picture database from within the plugin itself causes some album art to repeat itself on random albums that don't have art to begin with. |
| 17:44:26 | pixelma | doesn't it also crash when you start the plugin while the database is not initialised or was that problem fixed? |
| 17:44:46 | PaulJam | LambdaCalculus37: that is what i meant with the bad handling of added or removed albums. |
| 17:44:52 | kugel | pixelma: it errors out with "no album art found" afair |
| 17:45:15 | pixelma | I once tried in a sim and it crashed but that's been a while |
| 17:45:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: That or IIRC "Please initialize database". |
| 17:47:09 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: my impression was that the repetition is not random but at the spot the album was before something changed in the order of albums (which in turn made you "refresh" pf's database) |
| 17:47:56 | MarcGuay | pixelma: Agreed. |
| 17:48:05 | MarcGuay | There is a method to it's madness. |
| 17:48:17 | pixelma | I don't know if it makes any difference whether you have album art for or albums or not |
| 17:48:40 | pixelma | s/or/all |
| 17:48:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma and MarcGuay: Now that you both mention it... it's true. |
| 17:48:54 | kugel | IMO album art should be in tagcache, that'd make things easier |
| 17:49:07 | MarcGuay | My impression, not studied thoroughly, is that if it doesn't find AA for a directory, it keeps the old AA at that index. |
| 17:49:36 | pixelma | yeah |
| 17:49:42 | MarcGuay | (Which is just rephrasing what pixelma said, now that I think about it... :) ) |
| 17:50:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | But what she said does convey the idea very well. |
| 17:50:49 | MarcGuay | I don't think it's been posted to the tracker yet... (I'm not volunteering) |
| 17:51:01 | BlameHofmann | kugel: had a look through a couple, no sign of any %m tags with empty values... i'm just gonna roll back to a previous build - this is far too much of a headache lol |
| 17:51:30 | kugel | BlameHofmann: I meant the old %pb tag with empty or va |
| 17:51:35 | PaulJam | kugel: album art in tagcache would be a bad idea if you have load to ram enabled |
| 17:51:36 | kugel | faulty values |
| 17:51:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: What, the Pictureflow bug? |
| 17:51:55 | kugel | PaulJam: Yea, at least the path to the art |
| 17:52:03 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Yep. |
| 17:52:04 | BlameHofmann | and fill those empty values with what? a hyphen? |
| 17:52:15 | kugel | yes |
| 17:52:18 | BlameHofmann | thanks |
| 17:52:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Let me check; I'll report back. |
| 17:53:12 | kugel | BlameHofmann: I've had several %pb|file.bmp|3|12|150|height| after conversion. the "height" will fail, so insert a -"" |
| 17:53:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: There's two Pictureflow bugs reported; see FS #8306 and FS #8927. |
| 17:53:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | However, neither one refer to the bug we're talking about. |
| 17:54:09 | BlameHofmann | kugel: restarting again... |
| 17:54:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: I say it's high time to open a bug report. Wouldn't you agree? :) |
| 17:56:14 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: To quote myself, "I'm not volunteering." ;) |
| 17:56:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Guess I walked myself right into this one. ;) |
| 17:56:45 | * | LambdaCalculus37 goes to report the bug on Flyspray |
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| 17:58:11 | BlameHofmann | kugel: it's not made a difference - thanks a lot for all your help though |
| 17:58:57 | kugel | BlameHofmann: post a wps that is not working to pastebin.ca, I'm sure I can help you |
| 17:59:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: What would be a good description of the bug? "Album Art Display Oddities in Pictureflow Plugin"? |
| 17:59:20 | kugel | BlameHofmann: falling back to an older build is something i highly NOT recommend :) |
| 17:59:23 | PaulJam | BlameHofmann: "no sign of any %m tags with empty values..." does that mean that you still have tags inthe form %m|123| in your .wps files? |
| 17:59:41 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: Do "pictureflow is a bug" :D |
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| 18:00:10 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Album art displayed for album's with no art? kugel: Funny. :) |
| 18:00:22 | MarcGuay | *albums |
| 18:00:47 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: You might want to do some testing with it first to find out exactly what's going on. |
| 18:00:56 | kugel | I wonder if Slasheri is keen on having the path to the album art in the tagcache |
| 18:01:02 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Or narrow it down a bit, at least. |
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| 18:02:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: I've noticed the issue for quite a while, now. pixelma had given me a very good suggestion some time ago that I could delete the "pictureflow" folder from .rockbox/rocks/demos whenever I wanted to rebuild the pf database. |
| 18:02:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | However, that's just a workaround for now. |
| 18:02:48 | BlameHofmann | kugel: http://pastebin.ca/1059117 |
| 18:03:33 | NHeal | heinlein.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
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| 18:03:51 | kugel | BlameHofmann: The %m tag is removed |
| 18:04:05 | kugel | BlameHofmann: it's in the wps you pasted |
| 18:04:30 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: maybe something like "Pictureflow doesn't seem to refresh it's cache properly" (at least that's what the option is called in the plugin itself |
| 18:04:31 | kugel | You'll need to create viewports for those tags to still have their right margin |
| 18:04:52 | BlameHofmann | kugel: on lines 55 and 58? |
| 18:04:53 | kugel | %m|0| makes no sense at all anyway |
| 18:04:54 | pixelma | its too |
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| 18:06:35 | * | LambdaCalculus37 rushes in and snatches preglow's D2, then runs |
| 18:07:13 | PaulJam | funnily enough, this bug in pictureflow made me twice find small bugs in the file deletion screen (because i used to delete the pf dir before rebuilding). |
| 18:07:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Me too. |
| 18:09:13 | BlameHofmann | kugel: how do i 'create viewports'? |
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| 18:10:00 | PaulJam | BlameHofmann: the wps syntax is described haere: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 18:10:12 | kugel | BlameHofmann: using the %V tag, read more in the link posted above |
| 18:10:19 | BlameHofmann | thanks |
| 18:10:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay and pixelma: FS #9135. |
| 18:10:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | Feel free to comment. |
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| 18:17:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | mcuelenaere: Can you hop into #rockbox-community? I think petur wants to ask you something. |
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| 18:18:25 | Reemo | wow great |
| 18:18:31 | Reemo | Viewports are exactly what i need |
| 18:21:03 | * | Nico_P managed to commit the fix to FS #8977 \o/ |
| 18:21:47 | PaulJam | so the next build will be Rockbox 3.0 RC1 ? |
| 18:22:56 | Nico_P | PaulJam: hehe, maybe :) |
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| 18:32:10 | BlameHofmann | okay, with 'slant' managed to get the background and progressbar up onto the WPS, but all info is missing - i assume that i messed up the alignment or something - any ideas? : http://pastebin.ca/1059143 |
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| 18:34:12 | kugel | BlameHofmann: what target are you using again? |
| 18:35:04 | MarcGuay | BlameHofmann: You still have %m tags on lines 47-52 |
| 18:35:11 | BlameHofmann | ipod 80 |
| 18:35:25 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 18:35:48 | PaulJam | BlameHofmann: the WPS still contains %m tags (%m|117| and %m|11|) and i'm not sure if it is a good idea to have something else on the same line like the vierwport definition %V |
| 18:36:16 | kugel | BlameHofmann: delete those viewports you've created. %m|0| doesn't do anything, so you don't need to replace them by a viewport. You still need to take care of the other %m tags |
| 18:38:30 | BlameHofmann | I know that I need to make a viewport at 117 and have all that stuff inside it, but I have no idea how to do it. this code's just pickling my head. |
| 18:39:09 | PaulJam | BlameHofmann: and btw, the reason all other text disappears is, that if the wps contains viewports, then all text in the main viewport is disabled, so you have to put all text in viewports. |
| 18:40:03 | MarcGuay | BlameHofmann: Think of it like breaking the screen up into little sections. |
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| 18:45:44 | kugel | BlameHofmann: The best would be you make 2 conditional viewports, one at x = 11, the other at x = 117, then you activate one of them depending on the album art |
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| 18:48:02 | Vilo | hi |
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| 18:48:20 | Vilo | some one know if sansa 280 plays flac? |
| 18:48:40 | PaulJam | with rockbox it does. |
| 18:49:06 | Vilo | really? and with out? |
| 18:49:20 | kugel | Vilo: This channel is about rockbox |
| 18:49:29 | Vilo | relly? |
| 18:49:40 | Vilo | what is the off topic channel? |
| 18:50:10 | markun | And on some versions of the sansa you can't install rockbox. |
| 18:50:21 | Vilo | i know...thanx! |
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| 18:50:45 | fdinel | for off-topic: #rockbox-community |
| 18:50:50 | fdinel | :) |
| 18:51:21 | Vilo | if i'm buying tommorow new sansa 280, it's version will be...? |
| 18:51:44 | kugel | Vilo: most likely the incompatible one |
| 18:51:58 | kugel | i.e. v2 |
| 18:52:01 | Vilo | what do u meen incompatible one? |
| 18:52:16 | Vilo | ok...v2 |
| 18:52:28 | Vilo | v2 won't work with rockbox? |
| 18:52:41 | kugel | Vilo: Yes, as it's stated on the front page |
| 18:53:23 | Vilo | when it will work with it? |
| 18:53:36 | * | kugel loves that question |
| 18:54:30 | kugel | Vilo: it's done, when someone puts enough effort into a port, which is unlikely |
| 18:55:47 | markun | I wouldn't say it's unlikely, but just not predictable |
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| 18:56:56 | Vilo | well in life u have all the time get updata, so rockbox, don't have a good futher if u think like that.. |
| 18:57:23 | kugel | markun: when I compare the number of daps available and the number of ones on which rockbox runs, I'd say unlikely :) |
| 18:57:39 | Vilo | daps? |
| 18:57:45 | markun | digital audio players |
| 18:58:11 | Vilo | okk thanx |
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| 18:58:16 | PaulJam | kugel: i think there was already some progress on the port to the v2 sansas |
| 18:58:29 | kugel | Vilo: read through the new ports forum to stay up-to-date |
| 18:58:38 | markun | Vilo: anyway, here's a discussion about it http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.0 |
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| 19:02:04 | Vilo | thank u all |
| 19:02:08 | Vilo | goodbye |
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| 19:07:35 | funman | hi |
| 19:07:49 | SETH_HIKARU | hi |
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| 19:08:22 | SETH_HIKARU | so anything new on the latest rockbox build |
| 19:08:31 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: you can read the commit logs |
| 19:08:42 | SETH_HIKARU | um where is thaT AT |
| 19:08:49 | SETH_HIKARU | sorry hit the caps key |
| 19:09:10 | funman | I'm making progress wrt understanding how my device work |
| 19:09:17 | funman | but atm it is still bricked :/ |
| 19:09:19 | dionoea | you can start by reading http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges (and then the svn log that's on the front page) |
| 19:09:23 | dionoea | SETH_HIKARU: ^ |
| 19:09:30 | funman | dionoea: \o |
| 19:09:36 | dionoea | funman: o/ |
| 19:09:36 | SETH_HIKARU | thanks ^_^ |
| 19:09:58 | dionoea | funman: are you going to buy a rockboxable DAP? |
| 19:10:06 | funman | I already have one |
| 19:10:16 | funman | but it need big emphasis on the "able" |
| 19:11:10 | dionoea | :) |
| 19:11:10 | SETH_HIKARU | where do i get a midi library for the midi player |
| 19:11:26 | SETH_HIKARU | ipod video 5.5g |
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| 19:11:41 | funman | VAX-order68kBlitmpx/muxexecutable |
| 19:11:48 | SETH_HIKARU | what |
| 19:11:54 | funman | does this file type look like object code ? |
| 19:12:05 | SETH_HIKARU | yes |
| 19:12:17 | scorche|sh | SETH_HIKARU: hush |
| 19:12:21 | SETH_HIKARU | ok |
| 19:12:29 | SETH_HIKARU | just answer my question |
| 19:12:39 | dionoea | you forgot the "please" |
| 19:12:39 | scorche|sh | look on the wiki |
| 19:12:40 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: No |
| 19:12:46 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: Sort out your attitude |
| 19:12:57 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: Like you are told *every* single time you come in here |
| 19:15:08 | SETH_HIKARU | im ruuning the rockbox build June 17, 2008 and its on iPod video 5.5G: where can i find a midi library for the midi player and what does the plugin "dict" do? |
| 19:15:39 | scorche|sh | SETH_HIKARU: last time...search |
| 19:15:42 | funman | hm i've got a firmware for the same cpu but for a different device |
| 19:15:45 | markun | SETH_HIKARU: just check the manual or the wiki (like I would have to do) |
| 19:15:51 | funman | I really shouldn't have thrown that CDROM |
| 19:16:06 | scorche|sh | SETH_HIKARU: the next time is a ban |
| 19:16:44 | funman | http://images.ciao.com/inl/images/products/normal/832/product-768832.jpg < i've got this one |
| 19:17:05 | SETH_HIKARU | ya i would not recomend doing that because i just got banned for sitting idle in a channel and there was no rule that said i couldnt |
| 19:17:26 | markun | SETH_HIKARU: here it's no problem to sit idle |
| 19:17:34 | SETH_HIKARU | thanks god |
| 19:17:35 | BigBambi | SETH_HIKARU: I can't believe I'm actually typing this to you again - go and read the channel rules |
| 19:17:41 | markun | as you can see from the number of people not talking :) |
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| 20:14:48 | Nico_P | there are still 3 tasks listed under "3.0" in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/roadmap/proj1 what's the status on those? |
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| 20:16:35 | PaulJam | i think the bootloader issues were decided to be not blocking a release. |
| 20:18:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | Wasn't there a plan to release new bootloaders for the H100 and H300 as well? |
| 20:19:15 | PaulJam | Nico_P: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080629#13:25:48 |
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| 20:23:05 | petur | LambdaCalculus37: Linus got as far as finding the exact commit that broke the h300 bootloader for me (note: it was his commit). Once that is done I think new bootloaders will be included for 3.0 |
| 20:24:14 | * | gevaerts sees that the wavplay plugin will be gone in release 3.1 |
| 20:28:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | petur: Can't wait to see them. ;) |
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| 20:32:55 | Nico_P | PaulJam: thanks for the link |
| 20:34:20 | gevaerts | Seriously though, shouldn't "It is planned to have Wavplay as part of the normal playback engine in Rockbox version 3.1" be reworded to avoid mentioning a specific release ? |
| 20:34:27 | Nico_P | what's the desired timeframe for the release? (petur, gevaerts?) |
| 20:34:48 | gevaerts | Nico_P: "soon". |
| 20:35:07 | * | gevaerts likes being helpful |
| 20:35:16 | Nico_P | :p |
| 20:35:26 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:35:42 | * | Nico_P intends to try fixing FS #8964 next |
| 20:35:49 | Nico_P | (to pelase bertrik) |
| 20:37:55 | gevaerts | As far as I see it the todo list has (a) volunteering a release coordinator, (b) go through the tracker and prioritize/close bugs, (c) spend a week fixing as many of those bugs as we can, (d) decide which players get the "supported in 3.0" stamp, and (e) release |
| 20:38:44 | gevaerts | But just in case I remember things wrongly, you'd better listen to the first 55 minutes of the meeting ;) |
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| 20:38:51 | soap | What will "supported" /mean/? |
| 20:39:00 | petur | yeah, the tracker cleanup week has to come first |
| 20:39:02 | gevaerts | Actually _have_ a 3.0 release |
| 20:39:08 | soap | (or do I need to listen to the meeting?) |
| 20:39:36 | gevaerts | Of course you do. Everyone has to do that! |
| 20:40:03 | soap | was it recorded on a Rockbox machine? |
| 20:40:12 | * | gevaerts points to petur |
| 20:41:10 | PaulJam | maybe it's a little bit early to ask that, but will there be some sort of more detailed summary of the results of the meetings during devcon? |
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| 20:41:56 | domonoky | soap: yes a frehsly rockboxed h120 or h320 dont know for sure... |
| 20:42:02 | petur | soap: saturday was recorded with my h380, sunday with my h308 (h320 modded with an 8GB CF) |
| 20:42:12 | Nico_P | PaulJam: Zagor intends to do one IIRC (that's what's written on the current devcon page) |
| 20:42:15 | gevaerts | PaulJam: "(Quick summary by Björn, proper notes coming later) " seems to indicate that |
| 20:42:49 | soap | binaural mikes? |
| 20:42:52 | PaulJam | oh, i overread that, thanks. |
| 20:43:04 | petur | the first 20 minutes on saturday were done using internal mic as I forgot to switch to line-in after debugging a peakmeter issue |
| 20:43:12 | petur | soap: omni's |
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| 20:43:35 | petur | and an st-9100 mic-amp from church audio |
| 20:43:53 | petur | but the mics are not very sensitive so the gain was pretty much at max |
| 20:44:28 | * | petur hasn't properly listened to those recordings yet |
| 20:44:48 | gevaerts | soap: actuallu, if you'd even started listening to the recordings you'd know about the mics ;) |
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| 20:45:33 | Zagor | a few people took paper notes, I'm hoping they will put them in twiki |
| 20:45:47 | petur | gevaerts: you mean the part where I claim I'm recording with proper mics and actually was using internal mic? ;) |
| 20:46:44 | gevaerts | petur: that bit, yes :) |
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| 20:51:53 | fml | PaulJam: I've found the patch for the study mode in WPS. It is FS #8965. I made it that's why I knew about it :-) |
| 20:52:15 | Zagor | pixelma, amiconn: I hope the coke incident hasn't caused you trouble |
| 20:52:38 | petur | heh |
| 20:53:08 | pixelma | only amiconn can tell |
| 20:54:06 | PaulJam | fml: i must admit that i'm currently not really sure why you're telling me this. can you give me a hint? |
| 20:55:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor: What happened with the coke incident? Did you open a highly pressurized Coke bottle? |
| 20:55:45 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: he tried to prove that banning coke from planes is actually sensible ;) |
| 20:55:55 | scorche|sh | LambdaCalculus37: very...it was in the freezer for a while |
| 20:56:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hahaha! :D |
| 20:56:17 | Zagor | LambdaCalculus37: in short, yes. it erupted very violently :-( |
| 20:56:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | Anyone get a movie of it? |
| 20:56:40 | scorche|sh | ...and sprayed up onto the ceiling |
| 20:56:52 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinks that could be a funny movie for Mpegplayer testing :) |
| 20:57:35 | gevaerts | Is the manual expected to build these days ? |
| 20:58:40 | Zagor | it would have been very funny, if it hadn't caused stains on the walls, ceilings and carpet in the office of the company that hosted us for free. it's not a very nice "thank you". |
| 20:59:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ewww. |
| 20:59:57 | wpyh | hi |
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| 21:00:21 | wpyh | I've read the small summary page: http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2008/ |
| 21:00:30 | pixelma | gevaerts: looking at http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml it looks like it's a bit broken |
| 21:00:44 | wpyh | I think it would be better if each decision item has an explanation / detailed description |
| 21:00:45 | gevaerts | pixelma: indeed. It seems that md5sum.tex is missing |
| 21:01:24 | gevaerts | MarcGuay: you broke the manual with r17887 ;) |
| 21:01:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | wpyh: I think that's what everyone's planning. ;) |
| 21:01:31 | scorche|sh | the ceiling contained the only really apparent stains |
| 21:01:36 | pixelma | ah yes, MarcGuay maybe forgot "svn add" the file? |
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| 21:01:52 | gevaerts | I guess so, yes |
| 21:01:52 | scorche|sh | wpyh: well, it is a small summary as you said.... |
| 21:01:59 | wpyh | oh... |
| 21:02:02 | wpyh | then I'll wait :) |
| 21:02:14 | * | wpyh hopes it will go into the wiki instead of being a static page |
| 21:02:24 | scorche|sh | ....it will |
| 21:02:29 | gevaerts | wpyh: actually, the recordings are there, so you could write out the detailled minutes... |
| 21:02:31 | fml | PaulJam: didn't we talk about the feature? Or was it Marc_Guay? The feature is now in the manual but is not testable/displayable in the WPS. |
| 21:02:31 | scorche|sh | like all the other devcon |
| 21:02:32 | scorche|sh | s |
| 21:03:18 | Zagor | btw I had grabbed the .flv files from ustreamtv, in case they ever stop hosting them |
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| 21:03:23 | Zagor | I have, even |
| 21:03:33 | wpyh | gevaerts: you mean listening to the mp3? |
| 21:03:46 | gevaerts | wpyh: yes |
| 21:03:58 | MarcGuay | pixelma, gevaerts: I was just riding the bus back from downtown and thought "oh shit, I forgot to set the parameters on those new plugin files!" Pardon the error. |
| 21:04:35 | wpyh | seems like a time-consuming task... I won't volunteer, but maybe I'll do a bit here and there :) |
| 21:04:58 | pixelma | MarcGuay: well the parameters are not important as long as the file is not there, but I guess you figured it out ;) |
| 21:05:00 | PaulJam | fml: it wasn't me you were discussing this with (or i have serious issues with my memory). |
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| 21:05:58 | * | shotofadds wonders what would make preglow drop-kick a d2... |
| 21:06:01 | MarcGuay | fml: You mentionned something quickly to me because I updated the manual but I'm not interested in working on adding that feature to the WPS. Maybe talk to Mr. Gordon... |
| 21:06:40 | gevaerts | main.tex has \opt{HAVE_BACKLIGHT}{\input{plugins/lamp.tex}} |
| 21:07:06 | gevaerts | Is that actually valid ? Shouldn't that be a proper feature in features.txt ? |
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| 21:11:08 | pixelma | gevaerts: if I remember correctly that's not in features.txt. Reason for it is that the Ondios are currently the only targets without backlight but they can be modded to have one (e.g. mine is) and if you exclude it for the language file it's an additional hassle for people with modded builds (same thing why the settings related to RTC are also included for H100 in the language files) |
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| 21:11:49 | gevaerts | That makes sense (I think...) |
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| 21:12:28 | pal1140 | Hello! help me please :) I have rockbox successfully installed on my sansa e260, however if I skip tracks too quickly I get a high pitched beep that doesn't go away unless I restart the player |
| 21:12:41 | pal1140 | is there something I can do about this? or is it a bug! thanks in advance! |
| 21:13:02 | pixelma | gevaerts: just remembered that it's done differently there (there is actually a feature "rtc" and the language strings are "enabled" using "rtc,h100: blah blah". Maybe that's because it was a later addition than the langv2 overhaul that introduced this language system |
| 21:13:09 | MarcGuay | pal1140: Sounds like an old bug. You're using crossfade? What revision number (System->Rockbox Info)? |
| 21:13:18 | pal1140 | one sec marc |
| 21:13:23 | bluebrother | domonoky: just fixed a serious detection flaw in ipodpatcher / sansapatcher |
| 21:13:42 | bluebrother | so IMO we should consider making a new release soon |
| 21:14:04 | pal1140 | okay r17522-080515 |
| 21:14:06 | pal1140 | that's the version |
| 21:14:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | That's quite old. |
| 21:14:16 | domonoky | yup, i also have now the mac builds up and running.. |
| 21:14:24 | bluebrother | nice. |
| 21:14:45 | MarcGuay | pal1140: Update to the current build and see if it's still there. Quite sure it's been fixed, though. |
| 21:14:46 | gevaerts | pixelma: I don't understand how \opt{} works, so I think I'll let that be now |
| 21:14:54 | pal1140 | okay thanks both of you! I will do that! |
| 21:14:59 | bluebrother | btw, I noticed the new makefile rule you added. What about the osx_deploy.sh script barrywardell (?) added a while ago? |
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| 21:15:36 | fml | MarcGuay: the patch already does it. It's a patch and not a feature request. Where is the 'feature request' link (left side bar) btw.? |
| 21:15:48 | bluebrother | fml, it has been removed ;-) |
| 21:16:03 | bluebrother | Zagor: you're aware that the wiki preview looks weird? |
| 21:16:45 | MarcGuay | bluebrother: There's a WikiWeirdness page with a list of new funness... Links off the main wiki page.. |
| 21:17:03 | domonoky | bluebrother: oh, i didnt know it existed, maybe we should use this (it does more hich may be needed) .. |
| 21:17:06 | MarcGuay | fml: Ah, didn't realize it was a patch, I'll take a look later. |
| 21:17:24 | bluebrother | domonoky: I think that was the reason it got added ;-) |
| 21:18:02 | pal1140 | oh, any idea what the current version is? |
| 21:18:36 | bluebrother | MarcGuay: for some reason I can't find that page. Is it in the Main namespace? |
| 21:18:58 | MarcGuay | pal1140: http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 21:19:07 | pal1140 | thanks! I'll check it out |
| 21:19:14 | MarcGuay | bluebrother: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WikiIssues |
| 21:19:32 | * | wpyh wonders since when WikiIssues became WikiWeirdness... |
| 21:19:36 | pixelma | bluebrother: WikiIssues it's called, see the red line at the top of the twiki home |
| 21:19:47 | MarcGuay | wpyh: I was just kidding... |
| 21:19:52 | wpyh | ah.. |
| 21:19:55 | * | wpyh didn't get the joke |
| 21:20:01 | * | MarcGuay isn't very funny. |
| 21:20:20 | bluebrother | ah −− thanks. Searching for "wiki weirdness" didn't work which isn't surprising in that case ;-) |
| 21:20:44 | * | wpyh wonders who is the original author of the bubbles plugin |
| 21:20:55 | MarcGuay | Sorry about that, if you'd seen my face when I typed it I'm sure it would have been clear. VideoIRC is the future/ |
| 21:21:43 | domonoky | bluebrother: hm, i built Qt statically, and the osx-deploy script expects it as framework... so i think i have todo the qt building again.. :-) |
| 21:22:12 | Zagor | bluebrother: yes I am, I'm going to work with that now. it's a template problem: the templates we use for our "rockbox" skin is apparently not completely compatible with the new twiki version. but there are no error messages so it's not so easy to track down. |
| 21:22:16 | bluebrother | it isn't your machine anyway, right? ;-) |
| 21:22:30 | midgey | wpyh: I think that was Rotator |
| 21:22:42 | * | bluebrother suggests svn blame :) |
| 21:22:54 | wpyh | I've never seen him on IRC |
| 21:22:54 | domonoky | bluebrother: yes, its JdGordons machine.. but building Qt takes a long time.. |
| 21:23:03 | bluebrother | Zagor: ok. Not too nice but at least it's functional at all. |
| 21:23:29 | fml | MarcGuay: many kudos for your work on the manual! |
| 21:25:01 | obo | MarcGuay: "svn: executable"? :) |
| 21:25:33 | MarcGuay | fml: Thanks. obo: Say what? |
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| 21:26:10 | MarcGuay | fml: I just remembered there was mention at the DevCon of removing/renaming study mode, so maybe that patch should wait until it's sorted out. |
| 21:26:25 | MarcGuay | obo: Tell me I didn't screw something else up..:) |
| 21:26:35 | obo | you've set the "svn: executable" property on the md5sum.tex file, which is a bit odd for a text file |
| 21:26:58 | n1s | wow lots of great stuff done at the devcon and in general over the last few weeks, great going people :) |
| 21:27:20 | bluebrother | the discussion about study mode was one of the reasons why I didn't want the manual part of it committed (otherwise I'd have considered it quite a while ago) |
| 21:28:14 | MarcGuay | obo: It means execute as in "kill". :) I just wrote the "Date Id Author Revision" business from UsingSVN... Hmm. |
| 21:30:04 | MarcGuay | bluebrother: I guess it could be seen as work for no reason but it's still nice when the manuals match the current builds. |
| 21:30:05 | kugel | Regarding the sansa/ipodpatcher commit, when will new version be available for download? The commit possibly fixes the issue for one person in another forum, who's not able to get his sansa recognized by his PC (he also tried PCs of friends) |
| 21:30:41 | MarcGuay | bluebrother: It makes me feel a lot better about saying, and hearing others say, RTFM. |
| 21:30:53 | pixelma | mainly Llorean's idea was to combine the current "study mode" option with a "study increment" setting into a "Skip length" setting that contains a default "track" and certain time values to set |
| 21:31:07 | bluebrother | MarcGuay: I agree. But if it's going to be replaced it could also cause confusion −− like "where did option X go?" |
| 21:31:20 | * | gevaerts thinks that people should really LTFR |
| 21:31:36 | bluebrother | I really like Lloreans idea. Sounds much cleaner to me. |
| 21:31:51 | bluebrother | pixelma: what's "study increment"? ;-) |
| 21:31:52 | pixelma | me too |
| 21:32:21 | MarcGuay | bluebrother: That confusion will happen when the option changes as well, the manual will at least, if it's changed with it, remain correct. |
| 21:32:25 | bluebrother | kugel: have a link to that thread? New binaries will be available once we consider it stable enough to release. |
| 21:32:28 | pixelma | bluebrother: a string I can't translate into German and holds me back from updating the language file ;\ |
| 21:32:30 | bluebrother | which should be rather soon. |
| 21:33:31 | bluebrother | MarcGuay: true, but it at least *could* be somewhat smaller. Anyway, no need to argue about it −− it's in the manual now and will most likely get changed soon anyway |
| 21:33:56 | * | bluebrother wonders if pixelma would be interested in updating rbutil's german translation |
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| 21:34:55 | Nico_P | bluebrother: does the french translation need work? |
| 21:35:06 | * | pixelma hopes there is no "study increment" which might mean she needs to study rbutil before... |
| 21:35:12 | bluebrother | Nico_P: I bet it's gotten outdated. |
| 21:35:42 | Nico_P | I'll try to spend a bit of time on it then |
| 21:35:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | bluebrother: I can do a Spanish translation for RBUtil. |
| 21:36:00 | bluebrother | Nico_P: 155 untranslated strings according to lrelease |
| 21:36:27 | bluebrother | LambdaCalculus37: great. RockboxUtilityDevelopment has a description on how to do |
| 21:36:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | bluebrother: Yes, sir! :) |
| 21:37:17 | * | bluebrother likes getting more translations for rbutil |
| 21:37:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | As long as my "Cuban Spanish" doesn't get in the way, that is. ;) |
| 21:38:22 | bluebrother | well, as I don't speak spain I won't notice :) |
| 21:38:27 | kugel | bluebrother: http://www.rockbox-lounge.com/viewtopic.php?t=1322&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=95 (3rd post on that page, sansa-rockbox-fan has the problem) |
| 21:39:38 | bluebrother | kugel: that problem didn't occur when using sansapatcher. The reason for it being problematic was that autodetection in rbutil scanned for ipods first. |
| 21:40:03 | kugel | bluebrother: ah, then I got it wrong. thanks |
| 21:40:03 | bluebrother | ipodpatcher tried to open all available discs but only closed the disc handles for the disc it had success. |
| 21:40:21 | bluebrother | so all other discs were locked, and sansapatcher got an access denied error |
| 21:40:41 | bluebrother | I was quite puzzled when I found that first as I got a permission denied for drive C: ... |
| 21:42:04 | kugel | ahh ok |
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| 21:45:30 | bluebrother | kugel: I'm somewhat surprised why those guys don't try rbutil. Even if they want to install an unsupported build later it would be good to get it up and runnig first. |
| 21:46:29 | kugel | bluebrother: that's a point. But rbutil can't be more succesful than sansapatcher alone, can it? |
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| 21:46:52 | bluebrother | also, that guy could have issues with the cable / a usb hub. Such issues have been around before (and it's somewhat more problematic with the bootloader) |
| 21:47:10 | PaulJam | bluebrother: that "tutorial" seems to be quite outdated, it doesn't even mention RBUtil (nor does it link to the officioal installation isństructions) |
| 21:47:16 | * | gevaerts wonders if manual updates for plugins without a screenshot are frowned upon |
| 21:47:33 | bluebrother | kugel: well, it has two advantages: 1) it does unzip the build to the correct location in the first place, and 2) it can detect a sansa v2 by USB ID. |
| 21:47:59 | kugel | how does sansapatcher detect it? |
| 21:48:05 | n1s | gevaerts: not at all |
| 21:48:14 | kugel | I'm tempted to edit the tutorial |
| 21:48:58 | bluebrother | sansapatcher identifies the sansa by its disc contents. But as we have USB detection in rbutil ... ;-) |
| 21:49:31 | bluebrother | at least mentioning rbutil in the tutorial might be really helpful for some guys. The german translation is a bit outdated, but ... |
| 21:49:52 | bluebrother | one could now even create a rbutil-based tutorial using screenshots |
| 21:50:52 | markun | who has the power to add a "feature discussion" (or something) section to the forums? |
| 21:51:58 | gevaerts | markun: I'd guess the Administrators : Zagor, LinusN, Llorean and scorche |
| 21:52:36 | markun | probably. And I guess we need Zagor to remove the feature requests from Flyspray |
| 21:53:04 | kugel | bluebrother: I just PM'd the thread starter, lets see how lucky I am (since if he's not gonna do it, I'll do it) |
| 21:53:22 | Zagor | I'll leave the forum section to the forum regulars. flyspray has already been slightly changed. (section hidden) |
| 21:54:38 | kugel | bluebrother: Anyway, do you have an idea why it's not working for this guy? When you say sansapatcher detects the sansa by the content, I assume the guy is missing 1 (or more) files? |
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| 21:55:47 | markun | Zagor: ah thanks. I see it's removed from the website as well. |
| 21:55:51 | bluebrother | those "files" are in fact on the system partition, so if that's messed up it's likely the system itself is messed up |
| 21:56:14 | bluebrother | maybe putting an OF firmware file and upgrading could help |
| 21:56:35 | kugel | bluebrother: he has firmware 1.02.24E installed. Maybe it changed something on the firmware partition? |
| 21:57:26 | kugel | the last OF version I can sure say "sansapatcher works with" is 1.02.18 |
| 21:58:06 | bluebrother | I have 1.02.20P. Works fine |
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| 21:58:49 | bluebrother | and as there is guide on how to disable the database refresh, which includes downgrading the OF from 1.03.xx I think it's safe to assume 1.03.xx is working too |
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| 22:00:08 | gevaerts | I'm trying to add rockblox1d to the manual, and I seem to remember that http://ipodlinux.org/Special:Module/1dtetris had a description. Does anyone know of a way to get at that info, or (switches to whispering) how long it is going to be down ? |
| 22:00:14 | * | gevaerts hides to be sure |
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| 22:01:26 | bluebrother | gevaerts: check archive.org or google's cache |
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| 22:02:01 | MarcGuay | gevaerts: Please read the channel topic. :) |
| 22:02:52 | gevaerts | bluebrother: thanks. I hadn't thought of archive.org |
| 22:02:57 | n1s | gevaerts: maybe http://www.tetris1d.org/ is worth checking out |
| 22:03:34 | n1s | meh, no description... |
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| 22:07:09 | Reemo | hey guys |
| 22:07:24 | Reemo | just noticed ID3 Track Number isnt casted to an Int |
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| 22:08:44 | PaulJam | arent tracknumbers like "5/13" valid too? |
| 22:08:57 | bluebrother | they are −− for ID3v2. |
| 22:10:51 | Reemo | hmm there should be a way to beautify that |
| 22:11:30 | Reemo | e.g. exploding the id3 #TRCK at /, dividing it to track-number and album-total |
| 22:11:52 | bluebrother | doesn't the database do something like that for sorting by track number? |
| 22:11:56 | Reemo | just looks crap if you have a layout ala [%in/%pe] and suddendly display shows [1/12/31] |
| 22:12:11 | Reemo | Dont know, if so, it would be useful in WPS too |
| 22:13:18 | bluebrother | indeed. |
| 22:14:16 | PaulJam | you could use %pp/%pe |
| 22:14:59 | Reemo | complicated topic |
| 22:15:02 | Reemo | it depends on mode |
| 22:15:04 | PaulJam | or fix your tags |
| 22:15:07 | markun | question about the language files: should they have a rockbox header and copyright notice? |
| 22:15:19 | Reemo | If i listen to an album, i want to see the track number and the total num |
| 22:15:39 | Reemo | total num of tracks usually fits, wether you access via database or file structur (as long as you sort by albums) |
| 22:15:53 | Reemo | but if i listen to a custom playlist i want to have %pp as well as %pe |
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| 22:19:25 | * | n1s finally finished his plugin and posted it to the tracker :) |
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| 22:23:12 | Reemo | am i right, rWPS are for remote displays? ^^ |
| 22:23:24 | MarcGuay | Reemo: Yes. |
| 22:23:32 | Reemo | okay |
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| 22:29:04 | PaulJam | n1s: looks like you haven't added it to CATEGORIES |
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| 22:30:36 | MarcGuay | Interesting, thanks petur. |
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| 22:51:30 | PaulJam | is there a playback bug known, that occurs after rewinding and results in either the end of the file being skipped or playback hanging in a loop of really loud horrible noise? (the part with the noise is somehing i still have to verify with the official build) |
| 22:51:30 | Nico_P | bluebrother: here? |
| 22:52:06 | Nico_P | PaulJam: that sounds a lot like FS#_ç77 |
| 22:52:15 | Nico_P | oops... FS #8977 |
| 22:52:34 | PaulJam | thanks, i'll look at that |
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| 22:53:01 | Nico_P | I fixed it today |
| 22:53:13 | bluebrother | Nico_P: sorry, phone |
| 22:53:42 | Nico_P | bluebrother: is there a description of the translation procedure somewhere? |
| 22:53:54 | PaulJam | Nico_P: then it might be something different, i just downloaded the build. |
| 22:54:01 | Nico_P | :( |
| 22:55:23 | Nico_P | PaulJam: if you manage to reproduce the issue, yell at me ;) |
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| 22:57:03 | preglow | shotofadds: any idea what timers we'll need? |
| 22:57:17 | preglow | shotofadds: or which ones you have plans for anyway |
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| 23:00:35 | bluebrother | Nico_P: check RockboxUtilityDevelopment |
| 23:01:06 | Nico_P | that page is currently trying to load :/ |
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| 23:02:35 | domonoky | Nico_P: basically its: "lupdate rbutilqt.pro" "use qlinguist on the languages tm file, and "lrelease rbutilqt.pro" to generate the outputfile.. |
| 23:06:19 | Nico_P | alright |
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| 23:07:28 | PaulJam | Nico_P: it seems to be quite reproducible here with the one track i tried: play the track until it rebuffers the second time, then revind to a position before rebuffering and let it play. after a while it just skips to the next track or results in noise. i'll try with some different tracks now to see if there are other requirements to reproduce. |
| 23:07:50 | PaulJam | and also in the uisim |
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| 23:09:27 | PaulJam | i will open a FS task later |
| 23:09:47 | Nico_P | thanks for investigating |
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| 23:14:12 | n1s | PaulJam: ah, well spotted |
| 23:17:22 | PaulJam | hmm, to get output in the console after uncommenting the LOGF_ENABLE defines do i have to rerun configure? |
| 23:17:30 | ZincAlloy | #9130 might be a related issue |
| 23:18:05 | Nico_P | PaulJam: no need, just recompile |
| 23:18:12 | Nico_P | (if it's a sim build) |
| 23:18:27 | PaulJam | haha, maybe it just helps when i edit the source tree that i'm actually compiling |
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| 23:29:20 | * | Nico_P can't install qt4-linguist for now |
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| 23:45:53 | pixelma | wow... the German language translation for the Rockbox Utility looks messy. Many cases of "Deppenleerzeichen" and in the next sentence things are correctly written (i.e. very inconsistent). |
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| 23:46:44 | ZincAlloy | OMG, please no Deppenleerzeichen! |
| 23:47:33 | ZincAlloy | Any cases of Deppenapostroph? |
| 23:48:10 | pixelma | you meant Katastrophenapostroph? Haven't seen one... |
| 23:48:58 | bluebrother | I know them as Deppenapostroph too |
| 23:49:12 | shotofadds | preglow: i have no plans beyond what's already used. And I can't even remember which one we're using atm (and don't have my VM booted right now to check). |
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| 23:49:22 | shotofadds | I'll maybe have alook tomorrow when I'm more awake... |
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| 23:49:33 | bluebrother | but I agree that the german translation is really messy. Couldn't get bothered updating myself though |
| 23:50:19 | pixelma | domonoky just committed some updates which are already quite an improvement but still room for some more |
| 23:51:48 | preglow | shotofadds: struggling to have sd cards send back data right now, but it's probably just something stupid again |
| 23:52:06 | preglow | everything but data transfer seems to work, at least... |
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| 23:52:43 | preglow | the moment that works, i'll probably tie stuff up and commit something basic |
| 23:53:10 | shotofadds | sounds very promising. although "data transfer" is kinda important ;) |
| 23:53:21 | ZincAlloy | Never came across the term "Katastrophenapostroph".. sounds way better than "Deppenapostroph".. |
| 23:53:27 | shotofadds | it'd be good to get the ata/sd/nand mess cleared up for now, at least |
| 23:53:36 | preglow | yeah... |
| 23:53:48 | * | shotofadds wonders if anyone got a d2 to do anythign useful at devcon |
| 23:54:12 | shotofadds | gah. I need to run :/ |
| 23:54:26 | preglow | i have absolutely no idea what's wrong, the card says everything is ok, but nothing is received |
| 23:54:30 | preglow | have fun |
| 23:54:36 | MarcGuay | Any updates on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8394? Seems to be rotting a bit... |
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