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00:02:13 | pixelma | PaulJam: doesn't sound that bad, the voice synthesis can be "told" how to pronounce it correctly but would probably need to be adapted |
00:02:59 | pixelma | with the help of a script that would need to be adapted... |
00:05:18 | PaulJam | ok, didn't know that, thanks. |
00:05:48 | preglow | hmm |
00:05:49 | Guest60655 | can anyone tell me how to connect a SANE backend to GIMP frontend? |
00:05:51 | preglow | it vomits on crtstuff.c |
00:06:05 | gevaerts | Guest60655: maybe, but certainly not here |
00:06:16 | pixelma | PaulJam: but I'll keep your suggestion in mind |
00:06:58 | preglow | seems to be a ton of asm and asm directives it doesn't understand |
00:09:24 | Llorean | Bagder: Numbering scheme for releases: 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 ... 3.9, 3.10, or 3.01, 3.02 etc? Specifically, "how do we want to avoid giving major version numbers out for minor releases"? |
00:09:42 | bluebrother | gevaerts: we need Rockbox behaving as USB scanner! ;-) |
00:09:55 | pixelma | Llorean: ask the flyspray guys? :D |
00:10:03 | Llorean | hehehe |
00:10:21 | bluebrother | Llorean: 3.0, 3.1, and if a micro release is needed 3.0 -> 3.0.1 etc |
00:10:25 | Bagder | Llorean: I'm a fan of 3.0 for the release, and 3.1 for the next "big" three months after. And if we patch the 3.0 with a bugfix release we do a 3.0.1 |
00:10:36 | Llorean | What I mean, though is this |
00:10:40 | * | bluebrother smiles |
00:10:47 | Llorean | In 2.5 years, if we don't have the makings of a 4.0, what do we do after 3.9? |
00:11:15 | Bagder | 3.10 |
00:11:17 | Llorean | Okay |
00:11:18 | bluebrother | you think we'll approach 3.9 by that time? |
00:11:20 | Llorean | That's what I needed. :) |
00:11:26 | Llorean | bluebrother: If we release every 3 months, we will. |
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00:12:14 | bluebrother | true. But I could imagine that 3 months sometimes will be 4 or so. And a 3 month release could also turn out to "just" be a micro release |
00:12:15 | gevaerts | What? You need to work on rockbox! |
00:12:21 | Bagder | oops |
00:12:34 | preglow | are we going for a three month schedule? |
00:12:36 | bluebrother | he did the last weekend. Now waiting for next year *g* |
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00:12:56 | Bagder | preglow: not strictly perhaps, but both me and Llorean would like something like that |
00:12:56 | gevaerts | preglow: that was the proposed timeframe-goal |
00:13:07 | Llorean | bluebrother: I'm just saying, hypothetically 4 may not happen any time soon. It should be reserved for something significant, like a new GUI using buttons or some other crazy thing. |
00:13:18 | Llorean | preglow: It's our current target. |
00:13:20 | preglow | hmm |
00:13:20 | bluebrother | Llorean: point taken. |
00:13:35 | preglow | well, will be fun to see if it works out |
00:13:35 | Llorean | I'd love it if we hit 4.0 before we end up at 3.9. :) |
00:13:50 | gevaerts | Llorean: That will confuse users |
00:13:56 | Guest60655 | gevaerts: kan je wel een tip geven die naar de oplossing leidt? |
00:14:03 | Bagder | preglow: yeah, it does feel a bit strange considering going from three years to three months |
00:14:26 | bluebrother | Guest60655: I don't understand a word |
00:14:33 | shotofadds | gevaerts: yeah, the NAND driver is somewhat "flaky" still - I haven't worked on it much lately. The best way to fool it into working is to copy the files you want (eg. unzip rockbox.zip, copy a couple of albums) and then copy some more large files that you don't care about. |
00:14:35 | Bagder | or is it five years? ;-) |
00:14:38 | * | gevaerts points Guest60655 to the topic |
00:14:47 | * | Llorean has updated http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo |
00:14:58 | preglow | Bagder: any idea on how we'll do releases? just do them as we have them, or set up goals for each one? |
00:15:08 | shotofadds | also ensure you're using a recent-ish bootloader. there was a change a few weeks ago (forgot the revision, sorry) which seems to make mine a little more reliable |
00:15:24 | Bagder | preglow: time-based basically, so we release what works at a given date |
00:15:28 | gevaerts | shotofadds: ok. If you know the status that's fine :) I just wasn't sure if you were aware of the difference in reliability between different capacity players |
00:15:31 | Llorean | preglow: We determine release-critical bugs, focus on seeing that those get fixed, then declare a freeze, fix what we can, document what we can't, and put it out. |
00:15:41 | shotofadds | gevaerts: oh no, it's not reliable here either :) |
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00:16:01 | preglow | sounds good |
00:16:08 | preglow | still looking forward to seeing how it'll work out, though :) |
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00:16:24 | gevaerts | shotofadds: not _reliable_ maybe, but from what I understood it's probably better than on mine at least :) |
00:16:25 | Bagder | it'll certainly be a worthy challenge |
00:16:43 | Llorean | preglow: Well, the worst case is that 3.0 _still_ doesn't come out, so it's not too bad. :) |
00:16:45 | preglow | what to do if we end up with bugs depending on someone who has no time for fixing, though? skip release for three months, or just wait until a release can happen? |
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00:17:01 | shotofadds | well, "reliable" is open to interpretation. it's pretty bad, but I've jsut got used to it... |
00:17:02 | Bagder | preglow: ... yes ;-) |
00:17:06 | preglow | \o/ |
00:17:22 | Llorean | preglow: Roll back to before the bug was introduced, and branch from there? |
00:17:36 | preglow | i guess we'll leave that decision up to each time it happens |
00:18:35 | gevaerts | We have a release coordinator just for that |
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00:21:10 | preglow | i think we should just put "steering commitee will fight each other to decide" on that one |
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00:21:58 | gevaerts | I would expect the steering committee to choose "someone else", so they won't need to fight :) |
00:23:21 | bluebrother | someone fix the bugs :) |
00:23:35 | bluebrother | but time for sleep now. cu guys. |
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00:23:45 | * | gevaerts thinks that people who are busy setting "Version due" on bug reports are ideal candidates for the release coordinator job |
00:23:55 | rasher | Bagder: do you think it'd be useful to "go public" with the vmware buildserver VM I've created? It built a video build in 200 seconds on my laptop, which should be "fast enough to be helpful" |
00:24:32 | Bagder | sure! |
00:25:12 | * | Bagder takes off for massive amounts of sleep |
00:25:33 | preglow | see you in a couple of days |
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00:28:53 | preglow | well, these error messages didn't get me any closer to solving anything |
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00:29:42 | Llorean | gevaerts: I'm only setting them so it's easy to search through them when writing the "Known Issues" file. :-P |
00:30:27 | gevaerts | Llorean: You mean you're planning to write the "Known Issues" file? Another release coordinator task! |
00:31:51 | * | Llorean hides. |
00:32:03 | * | preglow coordinates a cup of tea |
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00:43:02 | ZincAlloy | speaking of realease coordinator tasks: have you decided on a code name? |
00:43:51 | rasher | Barking Badger? |
00:44:38 | ZincAlloy | oh, a brick free codename? |
00:46:32 | Llorean | Well when someone comes up with one, add it to the page. :-P |
00:47:13 | gevaerts | But remember, adding one means showing interest in working on the release :) |
00:48:10 | * | Llorean just wants someone else to edit the page so his name isn't the most obvious one on it. |
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00:57:11 | ToHellWithGA | how does one add themes using the Rockbox Utility? |
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00:57:28 | ToHellWithGA | i'm used to doing everything manually and thought i'd give the utility a spin |
00:57:36 | Llorean | ToHellWithGA: Where are you getting stuck? |
00:58:03 | ToHellWithGA | it pops up a progress window with "the following error occurred:\nNo themes found." |
00:58:10 | dionoea | ipod video ? |
00:58:15 | ToHellWithGA | do i need to download them manually and put them in a certain area |
00:58:28 | ToHellWithGA | dionoea: yes, ipod video 30GB, 5.5G i suppose |
00:58:43 | ToHellWithGA | i've been having a lot of barfs on the ipod lately in rockbox that inspired me to reinstall |
00:58:52 | Llorean | iPod Video themes are disabled at the current site for bandwidth reasons. |
00:58:55 | dionoea | ipod video theme downloads were disabled a few months ago due to bandwidth issues on the server |
00:58:56 | ToHellWithGA | "codec not found" and the like, when a few minutes later codecs will be found |
00:59:08 | ToHellWithGA | oh, boo that |
00:59:15 | ToHellWithGA | so i will install my themes manually |
00:59:16 | dionoea | (and I offered mirroring help to offload it) |
00:59:20 | dionoea | :) |
00:59:26 | ToHellWithGA | is that codec problem known and/or common? |
00:59:31 | Llorean | No. |
00:59:45 | ToHellWithGA | right after booting it complains about missing files in .rockbox and missing codecs |
00:59:55 | ToHellWithGA | yet the files work in a matter of minutes after playing something else |
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01:00:03 | Llorean | Are you using an up to date build? |
01:00:18 | ToHellWithGA | it was current as of... |
01:00:26 | ToHellWithGA | not yesterday but the monday before |
01:00:37 | ToHellWithGA | updated right before a road trip for work, trial by fire :) |
01:00:41 | Llorean | Have you checked your disk for errors? |
01:00:46 | ToHellWithGA | egads |
01:00:54 | ToHellWithGA | i have not, do ipod disks error often? |
01:00:56 | Llorean | Nobody else has reported this, so the most likely guess is a hardware issue. |
01:01:06 | stripwax | or an incorrect/incomplete installation |
01:01:12 | Llorean | We do have an awful lot of 5G users for something that sounds this common to slip through the cracks. |
01:01:19 | ToHellWithGA | that would be a shame, the thing is new as of this past august |
01:01:20 | Llorean | stripwax: Well, if it errors on the file, then works on it later, the file's there. |
01:01:30 | stripwax | "missing files in .rockbox" suggests incomplete installation though |
01:01:38 | Llorean | Or that it just can't find the files the first time. |
01:01:40 | gevaerts | Or "just" a corrupted filesystem |
01:01:42 | stripwax | but I take your point :) |
01:01:45 | stripwax | yeah |
01:01:47 | ToHellWithGA | i'll see if it keeps doing this after the install via the Utility |
01:02:08 | gevaerts | ToHellWithGA: if it does, try checking the filesystem. |
01:02:54 | ToHellWithGA | can that be done in a windows terminal? |
01:03:07 | gevaerts | Yes. |
01:03:10 | ToHellWithGA | i'm not familiar with fsck in linux and heard it can hose mounted disks |
01:03:25 | * | gevaerts refers to others for exact syntax |
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01:04:29 | ToHellWithGA | i guess while i'm at it i can defraggle the ipod |
01:04:44 | ToHellWithGA | probably a lot of strain on USB but worth a performance gain while using battery |
01:05:12 | gevaerts | Maybe. It certainly won't harm it |
01:06:04 | ToHellWithGA | chkdsk /f x: |
01:06:08 | ToHellWithGA | where x is the drive letter |
01:06:31 | ToHellWithGA | thanks for the help so far y'all, i'll be back with better descriptions of my barf errors if they keep happening |
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02:08:11 | eternauta | Hello, I would like to know if someone is working on a new port for the Titan player? |
02:10:18 | markun | I haven't heard of them |
02:10:34 | eternauta | they are based on sigmatel 35xx |
02:11:02 | markun | maybe you could collect some information and port it in the wiki |
02:11:16 | r4v5 | So with the 23 june patch on FS #8663, i didn't get any errors copying over a gigabyte from sansa to computer. |
02:11:27 | eternauta | yes I did, PhilipsGoGear3100Port uses it |
02:11:30 | r4v5 | Now to do it again and again from different angles and the msd and again! |
02:11:57 | eternauta | but that port I am afraid doesnt work properly, I think it is slightly different this player |
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02:12:15 | markun | eternauta: I'm really sorry but I have to go to sleep |
02:12:19 | markun | take care |
02:12:34 | eternauta | thanks |
02:16:46 | eternauta | has anyone else heard about it? |
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02:18:38 | Glorfindel | Let me see if I understand this correctly: using multiple fonts in a WPS is not available without a modified version of Rockbox, right? |
02:19:15 | krazykit | eternauta, there is no GPL compiler for sigmatel chips, so a rockbox port is impossible |
02:31:03 | Llorean | krazykit: The compiler doesn't need to be GPL, just freely available |
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02:36:08 | eternauta | yes... but still no compiler and as I ve read I wont spend $12.000 on it. Moreover when the player has "onboard" battery and is meant to "die" |
02:36:55 | ze | almost all players are like that, hasn't stopped anybody from replacing the battery when they need to |
02:37:09 | eternauta | really? I didnt know that |
02:37:20 | eternauta | someone in the forum said that as Freescale bought sigmatel, they may release one |
02:37:25 | eternauta | compiler I mean |
02:37:58 | ze | i think if the battery can't last through warranty companies'll typically replace it... if it does, then there's no warranty left to void when you open it up and do it yourself :p |
02:38:38 | eternauta | do you know where can I find more info about doing that? |
02:39:36 | ze | its somewhat device specific, check any forums related to the player in question (esp with any 'hacking' or 'modding' forums/threads) |
02:40:00 | ze | if it hasn't been out long enough for people to need battery replacement, you might not find much without pioneering yourself |
02:40:28 | ze | at the very least, someone'll usually disassemble and post guts shots which can be informative |
02:40:32 | eternauta | the thing is that the player is not popular, so... |
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02:42:02 | eternauta | well I guess I'll sell my player and buy one with a port already made |
02:42:15 | eternauta | thanks for your time and answers |
02:42:46 | ze | np, goodluck |
02:45:17 | Glorfindel | Yes, Glorfindel, thats correct. Why thank you Glorfindel, you saved me an hour of playing around with scripting. |
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02:52:38 | Llorean | And the feature request spam begins. |
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03:36:59 | JdGordon_ | hey |
03:37:18 | JdGordon_ | Llorean: morning... I see more tracker clean up was talked about vernight... |
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03:37:39 | Llorean | Referring to anything specific? |
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03:38:15 | JdGordon | I'm thinking we should mark every bug as either 3.0 or 3.1, and setup a wiki page to say "these are the bugs which i couldnt reproduce and someone with the actual taget needs to test" |
03:38:50 | Llorean | I think we should mark them as either 3.0 or leave them unmarked. |
03:39:08 | Llorean | But yes, there should be a place to list 3.0 bugs that need on-target testing. |
03:39:09 | JdGordon | well, marking as 3.1 would mean somone has already looked at it |
03:39:15 | Llorean | Ah, good point. |
03:39:19 | Llorean | Maybe we need a "Future" release |
03:39:23 | JdGordon | yeah |
03:39:24 | Llorean | Rather than 3.1 |
03:39:39 | Llorean | But yeah, it makes sense to be able to mark them as seen. |
03:39:46 | JdGordon | also, we should make a point to make sure people actually check if the bug is still there, rather than just looking at comments |
03:40:18 | Llorean | Well, that's what the "Confirmed" field is for. |
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03:45:18 | JdGordon | I wonder if it would be silly to try and get down to <100 open bugs (or bugs without bandaind fixes) in the release |
03:46:28 | Llorean | I think bandaid fixes are really fine, as long as they aren't likely to have side-effects. |
03:46:54 | Llorean | But I don't think we can reasonably set a target number. We can set a goal, but we can't let it stop us if we don't hit it, or we'll never release, like last time |
03:47:10 | JdGordon | yeah |
03:48:56 | Llorean | But I'd suggest that any bugs we can't reproduce, we ignore so long as there are reproduceable ones we can fix. To me, at least, if you can reproduce it, it's more likely a user will encounter it. |
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03:49:52 | JdGordon | I think if they cant be reproduced by at least someone with the reported tagrter (if its target specifc) it should jjut be closed |
03:50:39 | Llorean | Well, some bugs are hard to reproduce (like the Nano glitch) |
03:51:00 | Llorean | Like, the ATA -11 error we just fixed, not all Nanos experienced it, and we only have a few devs with Nanos. |
03:51:13 | JdGordon | hmm, ok, fair enough |
03:51:35 | Llorean | But if we can't reproduce it, we worry about it later and focus on ones we, as devs, can actually do testing on. |
03:51:49 | Llorean | Putting up a test patch that may not even get a response from a user before the freeze ends just isn't efficient. |
03:52:18 | JdGordon | is anyone totally against branching and putting bandaid fixes in there? |
03:52:28 | Llorean | Not that I've heard. |
03:52:45 | Llorean | If there's an argument about it, though, we'll have a steering board in time to make the decision. |
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04:03:06 | MarcGuay | Any thoughts on merging WebHome with the docsindex? Seems a bit strange to have two focal-points...\ |
04:05:05 | Llorean | I'd have to agree that two focal points is kinda bad, though I haven't really looked at them myself so I don't know much about merging suitability. |
04:06:11 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Did you watch the DevCon tapes? I don't know if it was during the discussion, but we talked about having a "documentation cleanup week" some point soon with a focus on improving the wiki, moving things from the wiki to the manual, and cleaning up and polishing the manual. Since you've contributed to both, it would be nice if you could think some on what you think needs the most focus, etc. |
04:07:30 | JdGordon | I think the wiki should be development info only and the manual user guides only... so moveing the CustomWPS, all plugin pages, etc into the manual only |
04:07:39 | JdGordon | althugh, that will make the manual more huge |
04:08:02 | Llorean | JdGordon: I think the manual should be "getting Rockbox on the player, and stuff you do on the player" only |
04:08:28 | Llorean | So CustomWPS, and video converting can be elsewhere |
04:08:40 | Llorean | Though ideally CustomWPS could be replaced with another feature for RBUtil |
04:08:44 | Llorean | Eventually |
04:09:04 | MarcGuay | The advantage of the wiki is that it's very easy to edit.. Very useful for target-independdent info... i think the WPS syntax is out of place in the manual. |
04:09:34 | Llorean | I think, honestly, the balance is *almost* right |
04:09:46 | Llorean | But a lot of the plugin pages in the wiki are redundant, and such. |
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04:10:05 | MarcGuay | Llorean: I agree. Polishing is all that's really needed. |
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04:10:28 | Llorean | But there's probably a lot of info in the wiki that hasn't made it to the manual yet. |
04:10:38 | MarcGuay | Llorean: And for sure, redundancy is rampant and something I've been trying to minimize in the wiki. |
04:11:24 | MarcGuay | It's hard to say sometimes where it belongs... Things that can change, even infrequently, are better suited to the wiki. |
04:11:30 | Llorean | I'd kinda like to get rid of the plugin pages, but maybe create a "VideoConversion" page with more explicitly tuned instructions instead of a billion sets of confusing instructions. |
04:12:18 | * | MarcGuay starts a new ToDo list.... :) |
04:12:33 | Llorean | Not enough of those around. ;) |
04:12:50 | Llorean | But a Documentation Cleanup ToDo would be nice, to help with organizing things once it starts |
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04:48:28 | MarcGuay | Was it decided that a proper themes site is required before a 3.0 release? |
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04:49:20 | Llorean | Nope |
04:49:28 | Llorean | We want one, but won't let it stop a 3.0 release |
04:49:52 | Llorean | Instead we'll put up a static themes site, if necessary. No automated uploads, but a sampling (whatever we can make available of working themes) |
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05:30:04 | MarcGuay | If I were to start a new thread to solicit suggestions for and act as an organization point for docs cleanup week, would it be better suited to the accouncements or general forum? |
05:30:30 | MarcGuay | Or maybe the wiki would be better for the organization... |
05:30:34 | JdGordon | general probably |
05:30:44 | JdGordon | discussion belongs in the forum |
05:30:50 | Llorean | General works. |
05:31:16 | Llorean | I'd also recommend a post to the user mailing list. It's a rather disorganized place, but it might call attention to it to some people who don't regular the forums. |
05:31:48 | Llorean | A wiki page might be useful for tracking what needs to be done, what has been done, and setting down guidelines. |
05:31:53 | Llorean | But chatter should stay in chatter channels |
05:32:58 | MarcGuay | True. It would be nice if one medium covered all the bases.. Anyway, off to sleep, ponder more tomorrow... See you gents.. |
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05:37:40 | wpyh | I've completed a series of tests on ipod 5.5g with the OF using 320kbps, 256kbps, 192kbps and 128 kbps mp3 |
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05:38:13 | Llorean | Tests for what? |
05:38:23 | wpyh | next I need to test RB |
05:38:30 | wpyh | uh, runtime tests |
05:39:01 | wpyh | they are on the IpodRuntime page |
05:42:09 | wpyh | on the topic of ipod runtime: they generally follow a pattern |
05:42:30 | wpyh | higher bitrate codecs use more battery power, which is already known |
05:42:50 | wpyh | and the OF seems to read from the disk from time to time |
05:42:58 | wpyh | which should be a bit similar to what RB does |
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05:56:44 | maffe | Hi |
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06:01:30 | wpyh | in general, is it ok to rename other people's attachments? |
06:01:47 | Llorean | Why do you need to? |
06:01:54 | Llorean | Generally speaking, it doesn't make sense to. |
06:02:17 | wpyh | I'm editing CFModGuide, and I see that the identify info attachments can use some cleanup |
06:02:29 | wpyh | for starters, we can tidify the names |
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06:03:51 | Llorean | It seems a waste of work to me. |
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06:04:39 | wpyh | the thing is, is it offensive to the original uploader |
06:04:53 | * | wpyh wastes time all day anyway |
06:05:22 | Llorean | It would depend on their own opinions on the matter. |
06:05:28 | Llorean | If they thought their name is good, it might very well be. |
06:05:56 | wpyh | well, then I won't do that |
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06:29:29 | maffe | Rockbox is so cool :D |
06:30:31 | maffe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioPort what does the 10 % at Power handling mean? |
06:30:50 | maffe | In other words: What is there to improve? |
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06:48:02 | Llorean | maffe: Proper charging control in Rockbox, for one. |
06:49:57 | DrBruce | |
06:51:44 | Dangalario | v2 support :D |
06:51:48 | Dangalario | for sansa |
06:51:55 | Dangalario | is another one |
06:52:08 | maffe | hm |
06:52:15 | Dangalario | remote control for sansa etc |
06:52:43 | Dangalario | tracker formats support since i do track songs :) |
06:52:53 | maffe | ok I found http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=12606 but the only problem I see with charging is that the green/red LED doesn't work |
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06:54:59 | jameskeagie | hello |
06:55:30 | SxSBruce | read that before speak |
06:57:01 | jameskeagie | i had a quick question - does it take rockbox long to update the database? i read the manual and couldn't get an idea (5th gen ipod w/ video) |
06:57:56 | JdGordon | depends how many files you have |
06:58:34 | jameskeagie | okay - probably 20k or so on an 80 gig ipod |
06:59:40 | jameskeagie | i understand initalizing the db would take longer, but is there any way to auto update the database? or write to the db as i add songs? |
06:59:55 | jameskeagie | or do most of you use a file tree structure to manage your music? |
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07:02:03 | Llorean | Most of us use a file tree structure |
07:02:12 | Llorean | but you'll notice in the manual a description of the auto-update feature |
07:02:41 | Llorean | Initializing can take a while, and depend on several factors, so it's really impossible for us to guess. You just have to wait it out the first time |
07:03:10 | jameskeagie | yeah i saw that - only if file structure caching is enabled it said - file tree is probably what i would go with then |
07:04:04 | jameskeagie | one other question: alot of th wps themes say they require other builds, but that was quite a while ago...have features like the album art, and album art resize/scrolling patches etc. been added to the standard build now? |
07:04:22 | jameskeagie | i tried the forums, but couldn't find any mention of recent builds other than the standard one |
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07:06:40 | Llorean | Many features have been incorporated |
07:06:45 | Llorean | In fact the only major one not is Multifont |
07:06:53 | Llorean | But any of those themes won't work anyway, since many other things have changed |
07:07:34 | jameskeagie | yeah i saw that on the forums |
07:07:40 | jameskeagie | what themes are you all using in the meantime? |
07:08:20 | jameskeagie | i found a few on the forums some had fixed, and read the standards but wasn't familiar enough to edit them |
07:08:53 | Llorean | I just use the default, or on certain players, a simple one I've hacked together on my own |
07:09:47 | maffe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIaudioX5#cowonV2 I think I'll use that |
07:09:58 | SxSBruce | just search the websit |
07:11:31 | jameskeagie | ok - thanks for the info - wanted to talk to a few people running it before i installed it - got a brand new ipod and figured i'd start out w/ something nice haha |
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07:15:16 | SxSBruce | maybe the most thing for me the ipod is rockbox then:-) |
07:16:58 | maffe | Can the audio be visualised? |
07:17:14 | Llorean | Only in a limited fashion |
07:17:23 | Llorean | Nobody who's interested in such a feature has gone on to actually work on it |
07:18:30 | maffe | And what can be done already? |
07:19:11 | maffe | Peak meter maybe? |
07:19:13 | Llorean | There's an oscilloscope and a VU Meter plugin. |
07:19:25 | Llorean | And there's a basic peak meter that can be displayed within the WPS itself. |
07:19:36 | maffe | :) |
07:20:36 | SxSBruce | whos actually working on M6 Rockbox besides markun? |
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07:45:36 | advcomp2019 | SxSBruce, please do not spam the channel with the away messages |
07:47:59 | SxSBruce | noooo spam,just wanna change an away message |
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08:24:17 | * | amiconn wonders what's wrong with his H340's battery :/ |
08:25:05 | * | LinusN too |
08:25:08 | * | GodEater guesses it's the wrong shade of purple |
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08:25:53 | amiconn | I charged it before devcon, and only used it like an hour or so, for gfx testing |
08:26:04 | amiconn | Now it tells me that the battery is almost empty |
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08:26:24 | jameskeagie | does anyone here use amarok? |
08:26:28 | LinusN | amiconn: well, i guess it's dead then |
08:27:13 | GodEater | sounds like the behaviour my H140 battery exhibited for a while. I had to replace it |
08:27:35 | LinusN | my iaudio battery did that before i replaced it |
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08:27:54 | LinusN | jameskeagie: just so you don't fell ignore: no i don't use amarok |
08:27:55 | * | GodEater hopes LinusN laughs at the latest "London social meet" post... |
08:28:04 | * | GodEater does use Amarok |
08:28:22 | LinusN | GodEater: HAHAHA |
08:28:31 | GodEater | phew! |
08:28:46 | jameskeagie | godeater - how do you get your album artwork to rockbox? |
08:28:59 | GodEater | jameskeagie: rsync |
08:29:02 | jameskeagie | i've looked at scripts - but they only convert the currently playing file? |
08:29:12 | GodEater | convert it to what ? |
08:29:56 | jameskeagie | do you just have amarok save the album artwork into your album folder? |
08:30:18 | * | GodEater struggles to remember |
08:30:21 | GodEater | I think so |
08:30:32 | GodEater | are you using the Rockbox AA art script that's floating about for amarok ? |
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08:30:36 | jameskeagie | some imbed the artwork, some extract it from the amarok db to sync etc (i've decided to get the most out of rockbox i can't use amarok to sync) |
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08:30:59 | jameskeagie | that seems to be the best way, thanks for showing me rsync |
08:31:03 | macdaddy2201 | hey |
08:31:07 | GodEater | no problem |
08:31:22 | * | GodEater doesn't really feel like he's answered any questions, but if it's lead you in the right direction - hey! |
08:31:34 | macdaddy2201 | does the rockbox program run in leopard |
08:31:50 | GodEater | macdaddy2201: which program? RockboxUtility you mean ? |
08:31:58 | macdaddy2201 | yeah |
08:32:02 | jameskeagie | and does anyone know of any cool themes that are working on the current build? I couldn't find any flashy/simple ones w/ pretty shiny graphics to try out my new rockbox install :P |
08:32:28 | * | GodEater uses the Rockbox default theme (CabbieV2) these days |
08:32:32 | jameskeagie | i searched the forums for a minute, but gave up after i could only find two that were jus tokay |
08:32:43 | GodEater | jameskeagie: you could always fix the ones you want working |
08:32:53 | GodEater | the fixes are fairly trivial if I understand correctly |
08:33:05 | GodEater | you'd be helping the Rockbox project if you did... |
08:33:13 | jameskeagie | i read the standards... |
08:33:29 | jameskeagie | but didn't see where the tags changed (somewhere i read which ones had changed, but now how etc.) |
08:34:41 | GodEater | I think we have a couple of forum threads where JdGordon has said what the tags need to change to |
08:35:26 | LinusN | macdaddy2201: i don't know if it works on leopard or not - why not try it? |
08:35:47 | macdaddy2201 | i did but it crashes |
08:35:56 | jameskeagie | okay i'll look it up - and amarok doesn't have the option to safe album artwork in the directory of the file |
08:35:59 | macdaddy2201 | so i guess not then |
08:36:02 | jameskeagie | it saves it all in a database |
08:36:33 | GodEater | jameskeagie: there's a script which pulls it out of that for you |
08:37:40 | GodEater | jameskeagie: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=37920 |
08:38:39 | GodEater | that's a better version than the one I used originally - this one has been updated to automatically save the covers to your Rockbox device too - which means you won't need rsync |
08:38:42 | jameskeagie | ya i saw that before |
08:38:57 | jameskeagie | do you install that into amarok? i must have been missing some dependencies |
08:41:16 | LinusN | macdaddy2201: any clues at all why it crashes? |
08:41:36 | GodEater | jameskeagie: let's take this to #rockbox-community, as it's not strictly Rockbox related |
08:42:01 | jameskeagie | ok |
08:42:15 | jameskeagie | be there in one minute |
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08:43:43 | macdaddy2201 | umm it might have been writen for tiger |
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08:44:06 | GodEater | macdaddy2201: it's not been written targetting *any* specific version of OSX |
08:44:32 | macdaddy2201 | hmm |
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08:49:12 | LinusN | macdaddy2201: it just crashes, without any error message whatsoever? |
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08:52:21 | GodEater | that would make debugging OSX apps impressively obscure |
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08:53:29 | GodEater | good god, where on *earth* did I get this track from |
08:53:41 | GodEater | it's a duet between T.a.T.u and Rammstein |
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08:53:53 | LinusN | GodEater: ouch |
08:54:18 | LinusN | sounds...interesting... |
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08:56:09 | GodEater | it was.... |
08:56:14 | GodEater | it wasn't entirely crap :) |
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08:58:05 | GodEater | good lord, it appears there's an entire *album* of them together |
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09:00:22 | JdGordon | does http://pastebin.ca/1060300 look fishy to anyone else? It looks like it will only clear the first scrolling line in a viewport instead of every one when lcd_scroll_stop is called? |
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09:03:27 | LinusN | JdGordon: it certainly looks wrong |
09:04:03 | LinusN | should probably be more like if(y >= 0) return: |
09:04:21 | ze | GodEater: that sounds kinda mad |
09:04:33 | ze | in a potentially good way |
09:04:34 | ze | heh |
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09:04:45 | ze | i'll have to look it up :p |
09:05:09 | JdGordon | LinusN: :) thats what I thought... also, I'd like to change that so it will stop scrolling lines in other viewports which are "under/overlapping" current_vp... objections? |
09:05:37 | LinusN | JdGordon: i don't have any objections, how often does that happen? |
09:05:57 | LinusN | i mean, how often is this function called? |
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09:06:24 | JdGordon | currently, not often, but if we start getting screens popping up above others it will cause problems |
09:06:37 | JdGordon | I mean, while every screen steals the entire display wwe are ok |
09:07:49 | fiftysixer | hey i've got a strange question |
09:08:07 | fiftysixer | anyone know if its possible for the ipod nano 1st gen to boot up a linux kernel? |
09:08:23 | fiftysixer | (or any *nix, really) |
09:08:35 | JdGordon | ipodlinux |
09:08:54 | LinusN | fiftysixer: yes it is |
09:09:18 | fiftysixer | problem is, |
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09:09:38 | LinusN | wow, ipodlinux.org is suspended... |
09:09:47 | fiftysixer | I assume I'd need to use ext or hfs or something, and I use winxp which won't be able to read that |
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09:10:08 | fiftysixer | anyone have experience with this? :p |
09:10:52 | LinusN | isn't there an #ipodlinux channel? |
09:11:03 | JdGordon | those naughty hackers! |
09:11:24 | fiftysixer | oh there IS another chan :p |
09:11:30 | fiftysixer | thanks LinusN, i'll ask there |
09:11:37 | LinusN | from wikipedia: "On June 11, 2008 the organization's website was suspended and replaced with a redirect to a blank page. Project leaders announced in their IRC channel that they were moving to a new dedicated server on a new location." |
09:13:01 | fiftysixer | well, they still got a sourceforge project page |
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09:18:23 | fiftysixer | well #ipodlinux seems dead...and I assume I could just use the FAT filesystem... |
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09:19:15 | maffe | Now I have dualboot for my X5L :)) |
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09:21:06 | jameskeagie | k well i had a ton of .m4a's that were ripped in itunes f/m my cd's |
09:21:18 | jameskeagie | they play in amarok (which doesn't play DRM) but not in rockbox |
09:21:41 | GodEater | right, so assuming they're not excessively long, I suspect they're not in "streamable" format |
09:21:45 | GodEater | which means they need fixing |
09:21:53 | * | GodEater will now try to remember how to do that |
09:22:27 | Nico_P | foobar can |
09:23:10 | jameskeagie | i only had about a dozen cd's worth, so i may just say screw it lol |
09:23:20 | GodEater | foobar is windows though |
09:23:23 | GodEater | our man here is using linux |
09:23:34 | jameskeagie | i've got virtual box :P |
09:23:39 | * | GodEater wouldn't say screw it to 12 entire CDs of music |
09:23:57 | Nico_P | it runs under wine... but I think MP4box can do it too |
09:24:07 | GodEater | jameskeagie: I think you need the mpeg4ip-utils package (assuming you're running ubuntu / debian) |
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09:24:15 | GodEater | that has the mp4creator program in it |
09:24:17 | * | JdGordon wonders why this bug hasnt been reported..... |
09:24:19 | Nico_P | maybe mpeg4ip too |
09:24:19 | GodEater | which you can use to fix them |
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09:24:26 | JdGordon | I must be missing something.. |
09:24:30 | GodEater | Nico_P: Lear claims it can |
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09:24:39 | markun | we need a aacfix plugin |
09:24:41 | GodEater | apparently you run "mp4creator -optimize" on them |
09:24:42 | pixelma | JdGordon: which bug? |
09:24:49 | GodEater | markun: that would be a good plan |
09:24:55 | Nico_P | GodEater: yes, exactly! :) |
09:24:56 | markun | or is it a problem of the mp4 container? |
09:25:00 | Nico_P | I couldn't remember |
09:25:06 | GodEater | or a codec which doesn't need them in streamable format in the first place ? |
09:25:19 | GodEater | markun: I've no idea - you'd have to ask Lear |
09:25:23 | GodEater | or possibly linuxstb |
09:25:23 | JdGordon | pixelma: I'm almost sure there is a bug in the scroll engine where it would only stop one scrolling line... |
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09:25:56 | JdGordon | it either isnt a bug, or because of how scroll_Stop is called its being avoided... |
09:26:12 | JdGordon | but stupid kate in kde4 is broken so i cant use find in files... |
09:26:19 | * | JdGordon liks his ...'s |
09:26:35 | GodEater | JdGordon: wth is wrong with "grep" ? :) |
09:26:46 | JdGordon | I failed grep |
09:27:01 | GodEater | epic fail ? |
09:27:02 | JdGordon | it searches all the binary files and patch files which isnt useful |
09:27:23 | GodEater | find . -name "*.c" -exec grep "thingy" ? |
09:27:33 | JdGordon | -name .. |
09:27:42 | JdGordon | ARRR... i knew thats what i was missing |
09:27:55 | JdGordon | find . *.c -exec grep -nr scroll_stop '{}' \; |
09:28:02 | GodEater | it's not often I get to make you feel stupid. I may mark this down in the diary. |
09:28:12 | jameskeagie | just man grep lol |
09:28:19 | jameskeagie | thats the command i use most often |
09:28:21 | GodEater | it wasn't grep he failed on |
09:28:24 | GodEater | it was the find command |
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09:28:46 | pengo | can someone tell me what's wrong with my iriver? pengo-au/2627240261/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/pengo-au/2627240261/ |
09:28:47 | GodEater | you'll need the "" marks too Jd |
09:28:49 | pixelma | JdGordon: maybe that's the reason for FS #9140? I think I always see two lines scrolling but didn't think about it (if the title needs to scroll there's another one needing to scroll too) |
09:28:54 | GodEater | or else the shell will expand the *.c |
09:29:18 | JdGordon | pixelma: can you try a really quick patch? |
09:29:31 | JdGordon | although, I dont tinhk that will fix the issue because its different viewports |
09:29:42 | JdGordon | but yes, thats why I found myself in the scroll code |
09:29:49 | pixelma | depends on how quick I have to try... |
09:30:04 | pixelma | ah, ok. Almost thought so |
09:31:48 | GodEater | amiconn, could you take a look at this please : http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17467.0 |
09:31:52 | advcomp2019 | I had the M4A locking up the database but not the files |
09:31:56 | LinusN | JdGordon: an alternative: find . -name "*.c"|xargs grep scroll_stop |
09:32:00 | GodEater | and if you can, fill them in on the right way to call dd for windows ? |
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09:32:40 | JdGordon | cheers LinusN |
09:33:24 | JdGordon | it seems only the quickscreen and WPS could be affected by this |
09:33:26 | GodEater | xargs ftw |
09:33:38 | jameskeagie | when i initialize my database its finding 5 hundred or so files when i've only loaded a hundred or less |
09:33:47 | JdGordon | and both would be fully redrawn after exiting which is probaly why its gone unnoticed |
09:34:22 | PaulJam | jameskeagie: do you mean in the splash while initializing? |
09:34:27 | jameskeagie | yeah |
09:34:42 | jameskeagie | and once i try to play any .m4a (unstreamable i guess) no other files will load |
09:35:16 | PaulJam | in the splash all files are counted, not only music files. |
09:35:35 | jameskeagie | oh ok |
09:35:38 | jameskeagie | that explains it |
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09:37:59 | GodEater | jameskeagie: the package you need is mpeg4ip-server btw for the mp4creator program to fix your m4a files |
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09:39:02 | fiftysixer | is rockbox based on a *nix kernel? |
09:39:20 | GodEater | no |
09:39:23 | advcomp2019 | fiftysixer, nope built from the ground up |
09:39:25 | fiftysixer | hrmm |
09:39:27 | LinusN | fiftysixer: no, it is written from scratch |
09:39:27 | fiftysixer | alright |
09:39:34 | fiftysixer | hah helpful chan :p |
09:39:37 | * | LinusN is too slow today |
09:39:39 | * | GodEater wonders why so many people ask that question |
09:39:45 | LinusN | me too |
09:39:48 | jameskeagie | cause they see podlinux |
09:39:54 | GodEater | so ? |
09:39:55 | fiftysixer | i'm asking cause that makes it easier for me to mod it |
09:40:03 | jameskeagie | and people assume if its not windows, and its not mac, its must be unix? |
09:40:04 | LinusN | fiftysixer: is that so? |
09:40:11 | fiftysixer | but ipodlinux seems dead so i'll give rockbox a try |
09:40:29 | * | GodEater never saw the point of ipodlinux =/ |
09:40:31 | LinusN | fiftysixer: that depends on what your goal is |
09:40:33 | fiftysixer | LinusN, unless rockbox is easy to mod? |
09:40:37 | markun | fiftysixer: what would you like to mod? |
09:40:45 | GodEater | and what do you mean by "mod" ? |
09:40:50 | fiftysixer | no real 'goal', i'm just one of those people that has to tweak every line of code... |
09:40:56 | jameskeagie | anyone know a linux command to add a line to your right click menu to open a terminal f/m the path of the window your in? |
09:41:01 | fiftysixer | but i'd like to end up with a nice tiny little media center |
09:41:07 | jameskeagie | if not - i think i have my next project lol |
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09:41:17 | GodEater | jameskeagie: that would depend entirely on what window manager you're running |
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09:41:31 | jameskeagie | nautilus |
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09:41:37 | GodEater | jameskeagie: and is once again off topic for this channel |
09:41:38 | GodEater | :D |
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09:41:44 | jameskeagie | oops |
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09:41:46 | LinusN | fiftysixer: if you want media playback, i think you will be better off with rockbox |
09:41:49 | GodEater | nautilus is a file manager, not a window manager |
09:41:58 | fiftysixer | LinusN, yeah, i'm browsing the website right now |
09:42:23 | markun | jameskeagie: better to go to #rockbox-community I think |
09:42:25 | LinusN | fiftysixer: as i see it, ipodlinux is about running linux, not actually using the player :-/ |
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09:42:47 | fiftysixer | LinusN, seems to me that ipodlinux is more of a base right now for more to come |
09:43:00 | LinusN | fiftysixer: don't hold your breath |
09:43:04 | fiftysixer | heh |
09:43:24 | fiftysixer | since someone could mod a pre-existing app to work, since it *is* supposedly the same kernel and codebase |
09:43:29 | GodEater | they've not done any significant kernel development for years now |
09:43:37 | fiftysixer | yeah i noticed that... |
09:43:51 | GodEater | the last change they did I think was to support the 80GB 5.5G |
09:43:52 | markun | GodEater: maybe they don't need to? |
09:43:58 | GodEater | markun: touche ;) |
09:44:15 | fiftysixer | markun, there's ALWAYS coding to be done :p |
09:44:52 | LinusN | let's just say that rockbox and ipodlinux don't share the same goal |
09:44:53 | markun | fiftysixer: but maybe they think the kernel is good enough and focus on applications |
09:45:30 | fiftysixer | ok two random questions: |
09:45:31 | markun | anyway, I'll stop speculating about ipodlinux |
09:45:44 | fiftysixer | 1. is there a divx codec with rockbox? |
09:45:49 | JdGordon_ | no |
09:45:50 | LinusN | 1. no |
09:46:07 | GodEater | mpeg1 and 2 only for video playback currently |
09:46:09 | fiftysixer | and 2. is it easier to install this from a windows xp or CLI debian box? :p |
09:46:12 | markun | fiftysixer: there is an xvid patch in the tracker, but not really a video player |
09:46:16 | fiftysixer | ah |
09:46:17 | GodEater | 2. doesn't make any difference |
09:46:27 | fiftysixer | alrighty then...here goes |
09:46:38 | GodEater | we're platform agnostic :) |
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09:47:16 | markun | fiftysixer: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2848 |
09:47:31 | fiftysixer | hrmm |
09:47:46 | * | jameskeagie is converting his few .m4a's to .mp3's..... |
09:48:06 | GodEater | jameskeagie: wuss ;) |
09:48:08 | jameskeagie | i know |
09:48:10 | jameskeagie | haha |
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09:48:35 | jameskeagie | it was native in linux and fast f/m the command line lol |
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09:48:59 | * | GodEater would have thought the mp4creator tool would have been just as fast, and wouldn't have lost audio quality either |
09:49:11 | jameskeagie | i'm still keeping the originals |
09:49:33 | GodEater | find . -name "*.m4a" | xargs mp4creator -optimize |
09:49:51 | JdGordon_ | showoff |
09:50:02 | GodEater | hardly |
09:51:27 | JdGordon_ | linuxstb_: you round? |
09:51:35 | * | jameskeagie - sigh... |
09:51:48 | jameskeagie | alright where do i find mp4creator - its not in any of the repositories for hardy |
09:53:06 | markun | jameskeagie: I think it's part of mpeg4ip |
09:53:23 | pixelma | JdGordon: doesn't fix the problem |
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09:54:14 | markun | jameskeagie: I just checked and it is. Can you find that in a repository? |
09:54:16 | Dangalario | hello i got a problem with rockbox utility |
09:54:30 | advcomp2019 | Dangalario, what is it |
09:54:30 | markun | Dangalario: what kind of problem? |
09:54:49 | Dangalario | download error recieved http error 204 with rockbox utility |
09:54:49 | JdGordon_ | pixelma: ok, didnt think so :( |
09:55:04 | Dangalario | trying to install to a sansa c250 V1 |
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09:56:04 | Dangalario | tried to download pp5022.mi4 |
09:56:32 | Dangalario | any way to make the program think it's downloaded and save it manually somewhere? |
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09:58:10 | PaulJam | Dangalario: alternatively you could try the manual install method using sansapatcher. instructions should be in the manual. |
09:58:10 | markun | Dangalario: there should be a cache folder somewhere, but I don't know enough about the rockbox utility. I hope someone else can answer it. |
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09:58:47 | Dangalario | no chmod on this pc |
09:59:02 | Dangalario | thats why i try the installer |
09:59:18 | manny530 | i had a question |
09:59:38 | manny530 | does rockbox have anykind of sleep mode |
09:59:44 | LinusN | manny530: no |
09:59:44 | markun | manny530: no, not yet |
09:59:56 | advcomp2019 | Dangalario, there is a windows sansapatcher the last i looked |
10:00 |
10:00:16 | Dangalario | where at? |
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10:00:58 | Dangalario | ahh nm i fixed the installer :D |
10:00:58 | BigBambi | Dangalario: linked from the manual |
10:01:05 | manny530 | oo cuz i hate having to turn it off and turn it back on and for some reason my battery dies a lot faster by having to turn it off and back on |
10:01:23 | manny530 | is that normal |
10:01:25 | Dangalario | Finally!!!! rockbox again :D |
10:01:30 | manny530 | or is it jus my ipod |
10:01:51 | BigBambi | manny530: It saves battery if it is off for more than a certain time... |
10:02:02 | maffe | What does "caption backlight" do? |
10:02:05 | LinusN | manny530: could also be a sign of a dying battery |
10:02:11 | GodEater | turns the backlight on when the track changes |
10:02:15 | LinusN | maffe: it turns the backlight on at track chagnes |
10:02:15 | GodEater | @maffe |
10:02:21 | maffe | ok thanks |
10:02:30 | markun | manny530: and how old is your version of rockbox? |
10:02:30 | BigBambi | maffe: The fine manual is there.... |
10:02:40 | maffe | I'm reading it |
10:02:48 | Dangalario | got these 2 sansas really chep both c250 like $30 for both =) |
10:02:49 | markun | maffe: turns on the backlight on track change |
10:03:02 | BigBambi | maffe: Is caption backlight not in it? |
10:03:14 | pixelma | markun: 3rd ;) |
10:03:19 | manny530 | iits the newest ipod color/photo one that doesnt have the bug |
10:03:21 | maffe | LCD settings are not included at all |
10:03:22 | markun | pixelma: oops ;) |
10:03:32 | markun | and I thought LinusN was slow today.. |
10:03:42 | BigBambi | manny530: And your version of Rockbox? |
10:04:18 | * | pixelma is pretty sure having seen "Caption Backlight" in the manual because it had to be disabled for the Ondios... |
10:04:26 | manny530 | r17714 |
10:04:34 | LinusN | maffe: page 56 |
10:05:02 | markun | manny530: battery life should have been normal then |
10:05:14 | maffe | oops |
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10:05:32 | maffe | Where did I look at? :S |
10:05:43 | LinusN | maffe: sorry, it could be a different page, i was looking in the sansa c200 manual |
10:05:51 | manny530 | maybe its jus cuz i turn off and turn back on so often |
10:05:58 | PaulJam | manny530: on hard disk targets i think the battery precentage that is shown directly after bootup is much lower than usual, maybe it is that waht you're seeing? |
10:06:10 | maffe | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-buildch5.html#x8-890005.7.2 there it's not mentioned |
10:06:13 | BigBambi | manny530: Real words please :) |
10:06:23 | maffe | but there: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-1150007.5 |
10:06:47 | fiftysixer | well...installed |
10:06:48 | manny530 | but even after that it dies like 3% |
10:06:52 | fiftysixer | 1. the autoinstaller == fail |
10:06:58 | fiftysixer | 2. rockbox == pretty cool so far :p |
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10:07:17 | markun | manny530: anyway, I think many people would like a sleep mode, but it hasn't been done so far |
10:07:30 | pixelma | maffe: chapter 7 deals with the general settings in more detail |
10:07:32 | * | jameskeagie decided not to be so lazy and is now converting his m4a to NOT mp3 but ogg |
10:07:45 | manny530 | do any of u know if a future release will have sleep mode |
10:07:55 | BigBambi | maffe: Personally I find the pdf version much easier - you can actually search it (and it looks nuicer) :) |
10:07:59 | markun | jameskeagie: so what about mp4creator? |
10:08:05 | BigBambi | 10:04BigBambimanny530: Real words please |
10:08:13 | LinusN | it's on page 55 in the x5 pdf manual :-) |
10:08:19 | BigBambi | manny530: And if someone codes it, sure |
10:08:28 | jameskeagie | i installed mpeg4ip - couldnt' find mp4creator in there f/m the command line |
10:08:31 | PaulJam | manny530: no-one can predict the future |
10:08:52 | markun | jameskeagie: really? how strange |
10:08:52 | GodEater | jameskeagie: it's in mpeg4ip-server, I said a few pages of chat ago |
10:08:57 | BigBambi | manny530: I think, as Markun said, it is something people would welcome. However, it isn't an easy addition |
10:09:02 | manny530 | okay thanks for the help |
10:09:13 | jameskeagie | found a GUI in the repositories to convert any Gstream to ogg, flac, mp3, or some others |
10:09:15 | markun | GodEater: I also missed that, sorry |
10:09:25 | jameskeagie | its called soundconverter - may not be the fastest, but kinda cool |
10:09:30 | | Part manny530 |
10:09:39 | markun | jameskeagie: there is a transcodophobia in this channel |
10:09:42 | GodEater | jameskeagie: you're still losing audio quality though |
10:09:49 | jameskeagie | shoosh |
10:09:52 | jameskeagie | lol |
10:10:15 | jameskeagie | oh its in the server? |
10:10:27 | jameskeagie | hmm.....oh well ogg is good enough for my deaf ears |
10:10:29 | * | BigBambi still shudders at the guy in the forum trying to convince me that 48 kbps OGG produced from 192 kbps sounded good |
10:10:49 | BigBambi | *192 kbps MP3 |
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10:11:46 | markun | SxSBruce: hi, you were asking about me? |
10:12:05 | fiftysixer | hey is there a 'shuffle songs' feature in rockbox? |
10:12:28 | markun | fiftysixer: multiple :) |
10:12:32 | BigBambi | fiftysixer: Yes, and the manual covers it |
10:13:07 | PaulJam | i guess that depends how you define a 'shiffel songs' feature. |
10:13:28 | PaulJam | *'shuffle songs' |
10:13:29 | BigBambi | PaulJam: A feature that shuffles songs? |
10:13:38 | fiftysixer | oh i get it now |
10:13:41 | fiftysixer | nice :) |
10:14:22 | GodEater | fiftysixer: before you start asking to many more questions, I definitely recommend a read of the manual |
10:14:39 | fiftysixer | GodEater, yeah, i just found the manual, so i'm reading that now |
10:14:39 | PaulJam | BigBambi: well, rockbox has no iriver-style shuffle mode for example. so if you expect something like that you're out of luck |
10:14:42 | pengo | you know every time you say "Refer to the Fine Manual" it means there's a usability issue. |
10:14:46 | fiftysixer | didnt even realize there was one |
10:15:08 | BigBambi | PaulJam: What does that do (apart from not shuffle properly)? |
10:15:13 | petur | pengo: not really |
10:15:19 | BigBambi | pengo: I disagree |
10:15:38 | B4gder | pengo: I disagree |
10:15:39 | petur | pengo: there are just too many features |
10:15:44 | BigBambi | fiftysixer: It is the "manual" link from every page of www.rockbox.org |
10:15:51 | fiftysixer | yeah |
10:15:54 | * | fiftysixer slaps himself |
10:16:01 | markun | pengo: but it's harder to fix those than to refer people :) |
10:16:10 | pengo | markun: yah :) |
10:16:27 | PaulJam | BigBambi: if it is enabled, it always shuffles throught all songs, even if you start playback from a the filetree (rockbox would only shuffle that folder) |
10:16:33 | JdGordon | can someone double check this looks correct? http://pastebin.ca/1060321 it should return true if the scrolling line is in the "othervp", and by in I mean overlaps it at all... |
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10:16:43 | * | petur thinks rockbox usability is way better than h300 OF, for example |
10:16:55 | * | JdGordon back in 20 |
10:17:13 | pengo | petur: i dunno what h300 is like, but it's on par with H-120, which isn't saying much really. |
10:17:16 | BigBambi | pengo: We would like to hear your suggestions for improvement though - I'm not saying it couldn't be better, just that telling someone to check the manual to discover a function of what is complex software doesn't itself mean that there is a problem |
10:17:34 | BigBambi | PaulJam: OK, but Rockbox will do that too |
10:18:05 | pengo | BigBambi: it's a pretty good sign.. i could give a diatribe about how rockbox should layout its buttons and menus but it'd never happen |
10:18:16 | petur | pengo: just have the h120 for a few days, will check its OF |
10:18:29 | BigBambi | pengo: Well, I think you are wrong, so lets just agree to disagree |
10:18:32 | petur | s/for/since/ |
10:18:52 | Dangalario | question what rockbox font(s) supports cyrillic input? |
10:19:02 | BigBambi | petur: s/since/for |
10:19:04 | BigBambi | :) |
10:19:20 | GodEater | pengo: why do you think that if you have a good suggestion for how we should layout our menus that it wouldn't happen ? |
10:19:25 | markun | Dangalario: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts |
10:19:28 | GodEater | it's a project we wanted done for google summer of code |
10:19:29 | * | petur updates his english knowledge |
10:19:35 | pixelma | Dangalario: check the UnicodeFonts page in the wiki |
10:19:35 | GodEater | but we didn't get any good takers as I recall |
10:19:56 | markun | pixelma: and this time you are 2nd :) |
10:20:09 | pixelma | better than 3rd :P |
10:20:32 | jameskeagie | thanks for all the help guys, this is a smart and fun community, i'll definitely be back again |
10:20:54 | pengo | GodEater: because A) the buttons have never changed in rockbox before (in my years of usage), and B) because it'd be a major enough change on something people would be passionate about and it'd need a lot of discussion and pushing from someone who's less of an outsider than myself |
10:21:01 | markun | jameskeagie: there are a lot of people who think we are a bunch of unhelpful assholes |
10:21:08 | markun | so I'm happy to hear you say that |
10:21:20 | pengo | and C) i don't know anything about how many / what buttons are available on any other devices other than my own |
10:21:29 | jameskeagie | haha those are probably people w/o the patience to try reading the manual first? |
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10:21:34 | BigBambi | pengo: I would argue against button changes, menu changes I don't have a problem with |
10:21:47 | pengo | BigBambi: see :) |
10:21:54 | BigBambi | what? |
10:21:57 | GodEater | I wouldn't argue against them until I'd at least seen them |
10:22:06 | | Part jameskeagie |
10:22:11 | pengo | BigBambi: see, it wouldn't happen |
10:22:18 | BigBambi | Well, OK - I'd certainly look |
10:22:18 | GodEater | and I also disagree that the buttons have never changed, we've had quite a few changes over the last year or so on some targets |
10:22:41 | BigBambi | But I can see that the menus could be improved, but I think the buttons are pretty good |
10:22:45 | GodEater | so if you have a decent set of suggestions, *I* would really like to see them |
10:22:47 | pengo | do people still use iriver H1xx ? |
10:22:50 | BigBambi | Yes |
10:22:51 | GodEater | I do |
10:22:57 | pengo | cool. i thought it was just me |
10:23:00 | BigBambi | It is the best player Rockbox runs on |
10:23:02 | GodEater | it's my weapon of choice in the car |
10:23:27 | BigBambi | I use the gigabeat F and S more day-to-day as they are smaller, but the H100 does it all |
10:23:34 | GodEater | so please, if you really do have suggestions - then submit them |
10:23:47 | GodEater | it's an area we're sorely in need of work on from someone who has good ideas |
10:24:15 | BigBambi | pengo: As people who say I think this is wrong and then don't say how they would improve will of course be ignored |
10:24:48 | fiftysixer | well...i'm going to bed soon...but i'm pretty impressed :p |
10:24:49 | pengo | well the least disruptive thing thing i'd do is have the "change tempo" screen automatically quit back to the now-playing screen after 30 seconds |
10:24:55 | fiftysixer | great software! |
10:24:58 | LinusN | fiftysixer: thanks :-) |
10:25:01 | markun | fiftysixer: even though it's not unix based :) |
10:25:08 | fiftysixer | lol |
10:25:31 | * | fiftysixer looks for source code ;) |
10:25:37 | GodEater | svn.rockbox.org |
10:25:43 | BigBambi | pengo: After 30 seconds of not touching it? |
10:25:46 | fiftysixer | ugh...svn...alright :p |
10:25:49 | pengo | BigBambi: yup |
10:25:56 | markun | fiftysixer: this might be useful as well http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
10:25:59 | LinusN | pengo: we gennerally try not to change screens after timeouts |
10:26:13 | fiftysixer | markun, looks useful, thanks! |
10:26:13 | pengo | LinusN: yeah i noticed. it's annoying |
10:26:24 | petur | fiftysixer: there's also a tarball and webinterface to svn |
10:26:26 | BigBambi | pengo: I think that would be annoying |
10:26:28 | LinusN | pengo: i'd say changing screens automatically is annoying :-) |
10:26:33 | markun | pengo: we have quite some blind users |
10:26:39 | * | BigBambi agrees with LinusN |
10:26:52 | pengo | LinusN: cause you go to hit pause/play and it doesn't work so you have to check the screen and see "oh i have to press stop first" and then pause. |
10:26:55 | BigBambi | And as Markun says, automatic screen changes for blind users is not a good plabn |
10:27:02 | pengo | uh.. i'd be screwed if i was blind |
10:27:13 | markun | well, I think you would get used to it |
10:27:21 | pengo | cause i couldn't see that the screen is stuck in "change tempo" |
10:27:23 | GodEater | yes, we have a lot of happy blind "customers" |
10:27:42 | markun | some of them even listen to source code with text-to-speech while programming. Insane. |
10:27:45 | BigBambi | I don't remember the keys on the pitch screen, so they could possibly be improved, but I wouldn't want timeouts |
10:27:54 | petur | blind users probably know better what they are doing and not hitting keys without thinking ;) |
10:28:05 | pengo | it's just a basic modal problem |
10:28:23 | pengo | is there a mode for blind users? |
10:28:30 | LinusN | no |
10:28:53 | GodEater | they just use our speech interface |
10:28:53 | BigBambi | pengo: That would do what? |
10:28:58 | SxSBruce | markun: yeap,just wanna know whether u r the only one working on M6 port |
10:29:01 | petur | pengo: there is voice feedback, however |
10:29:03 | LinusN | pengo: so what you are suggesting is to always go back to the wps after a timeout? |
10:29:14 | pengo | LinusN: if a track is playing. yes. |
10:29:33 | BigBambi | urgh |
10:29:41 | GodEater | to be honest, that wouldn't bother me |
10:29:43 | GodEater | as a feature |
10:29:43 | LinusN | actually, it is a feature that quite a few people have requested over the years |
10:29:48 | BigBambi | I want it to stay in the screen I want, not that it wants |
10:29:48 | pengo | or at least have play/pause work in all screens |
10:29:51 | GodEater | provided the change was voiced too |
10:29:59 | LinusN | GodEater: exactly |
10:30:07 | pengo | and volume work in all screens |
10:30:11 | pengo | but that seems unlikely to work |
10:30:13 | LinusN | pengo: that will not happen |
10:30:14 | BigBambi | If I put it in a screen it is as I want to be in that screen |
10:30:33 | GodEater | pengo: that would be impossible to make work on targets with limited numbers of buttons |
10:30:35 | pengo | BigBambi: me too. but then if i leave it at that screen i probably don't want to be left on it |
10:30:41 | BigBambi | I do |
10:30:43 | LinusN | BigBambi: then you won't enable the timeout-to-wps option |
10:30:47 | markun | pengo: it works on some players with dedicated volume buttons |
10:30:47 | GodEater | and we want to keep the interface consistent between targets |
10:30:49 | BigBambi | If I want to change again, I will change it |
10:31:03 | pengo | BigBambi: yeah but you're a control freak |
10:31:10 | BigBambi | Excuse me? |
10:31:14 | GodEater | LinusN: another option ? :) Sacriledge! |
10:31:17 | BigBambi | Isn't that the point of Rockbox? |
10:31:20 | LinusN | muhahahaaaaaa |
10:31:36 | * | GodEater goes hunting for the pitchforks and crowd of angry villagers |
10:31:37 | BigBambi | To give me control to use my DAP how I want, not hopw someone else has decided is best? |
10:31:48 | pixelma | eh, I wouldn't want screens disappearing after a certain timeout |
10:31:52 | pengo | BigBambi: yeah. so give me my options. |
10:31:52 | pixelma | too |
10:31:58 | LinusN | pixelma: then don't enable the option |
10:32:17 | BigBambi | pengo: I don't object to the options too much |
10:32:23 | pengo | so anyway.. apart from auto-flipping back to the WPS.. (which wont happen by the sounds of it)....... |
10:32:24 | pixelma | pengo: but then don't complain about menu layout... |
10:32:40 | pengo | pixelma: oh i haven't begun on the menu layout |
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10:32:53 | BigBambi | pengo: However if you add all these options, how will that help your manu layout? |
10:33:34 | pengo | BigBambi: well my problem with menu layout, isn't that there's too much stuff there.. it's that there's a context menu and a normal menu.. and what goes in which (to put it bluntly) seems almost arbitrary |
10:34:06 | pengo | (in the WPS anyway) |
10:34:08 | LinusN | pengo: it mostly is... |
10:34:11 | LinusN | pengo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MenuLayoutDiscussion |
10:34:11 | GodEater | pengo: I'd agree with that assement to a point |
10:34:21 | pengo | wow |
10:34:28 | pengo | i didn't expect agreement there |
10:34:45 | pengo | i'd just scrap the context menu personally |
10:34:47 | GodEater | pengo: and I'd also say that from the sounds of it we *could* introduce an option for the "flip back to WPS" feature |
10:34:59 | LinusN | GodEater: i agree |
10:35:04 | B4gder | we need the context menu! |
10:35:05 | pengo | GodEater: cool |
10:35:15 | GodEater | yeah, the context menu has to stay though |
10:35:24 | GodEater | there's a lot of features we need it for |
10:35:30 | GodEater | but it could probably be better organised |
10:35:30 | * | petur <3 context menu |
10:35:31 | pengo | i'd just have the two menus combine |
10:35:42 | pixelma | pengo: by the way auto-return to the WPS from the pitch screen wouldn't help you if it will also reset the pitch again what I think it would do without further changes. And I think the better solution might be to have the possibility to keep the pitch when returning to the WPS manually, or do I miss something? |
10:35:44 | pengo | cause i always hit the wrong one anyway and then try the other |
10:35:53 | BigBambi | Context menu itself is essential, but what is on it could be better |
10:36:05 | B4gder | yeps |
10:36:06 | LinusN | pengo: like a context submenu in the main menu? |
10:36:13 | pengo | pixelma: no i'd have it leave the pitch alone when it auto-flips back |
10:36:24 | B4gder | LinusN: or a main menu in the in the context one ;-) |
10:36:27 | pengo | LinusN: yes. that's one way that i'd be happy with |
10:36:30 | markun | B4gder: yes! |
10:36:31 | markun | ;) |
10:36:33 | LinusN | B4gder: hehe, yes |
10:36:34 | pengo | B4gder: and that's the other :) |
10:37:07 | LinusN | that won't please the "no! one more keypress!" crowd |
10:37:17 | JdGordon | PaulJam: flawed how? |
10:37:20 | petur | or bothe, and an ugly hack te prevent recursion :) |
10:37:24 | pixelma | yes, but that needs preparation anyways and then I don't see why it needs to auto-return - just set pitch, return to WPS and you're done |
10:37:24 | Dangalario | one question |
10:37:39 | GodEater | so pengo, I think you can see that if you're prepared to put the time in on proposing a more sane menu layout, we'll definitely be keen to see it |
10:37:43 | Dangalario | can rockbox be installed on a c250 with latest sansa firmware ? |
10:38:04 | pengo | LinusN: the freed up button that was the context button can be made programmable to do whatever those "no! one more keypress" people wnat |
10:38:23 | * | petur runs off screaming |
10:38:30 | LinusN | pengo: that won't please the "no! no custom menus!" crowd :-) |
10:38:42 | BigBambi | No, context menu on a button must stay (IMO) |
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10:38:54 | pengo | LinusN: well it can default to saying "THIS BUTTON INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK" then |
10:38:58 | LinusN | i'm all ears regarding gui changes in general |
10:39:20 | BigBambi | Me too - I think we all agree it could be better |
10:39:21 | GodEater | pengo: hahaha |
10:39:22 | pixelma | Dangalario: latest sansa firmware that's sooo accurate... Can you please give the version number to help us answering the question? |
10:39:23 | LinusN | pengo: :-) |
10:39:45 | JdGordon | pixelma: can you try another patch? |
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10:39:59 | Glorfindel | I'm confused. How do I put newlines in a viewport in a wps file? |
10:40:26 | GodEater | hit "enter" in your text editor ? |
10:40:32 | BigBambi | Enter? |
10:40:38 | BigBambi | too slow :: |
10:40:39 | PaulJam | JdGordon: if a folder from the list is picked that has no music in it, but one of the subdirs contain music, then that is played (instead of picking a new random directory). so some folders have a higher chance of being played. i noticed that while putting some debug output in the code while investigateing FS #7077. |
10:40:51 | pengo | and the biggest thing i'd like is that when you hit the "Go to the next folder of songs" button that it bookmarks your place cause it's really easy to accidentally hit on this iriver remote and it shits me to tears |
10:40:57 | pixelma | JdGordon: sure |
10:41:04 | Glorfindel | That didn't seem to do anything, I already tried it... also tried making the width of the viewport the same as the bitmap, and it just cut it off :( |
10:41:26 | BigBambi | New line for text or bitmap? |
10:41:31 | Glorfindel | bitmap |
10:41:35 | BigBambi | And do you have overlapping viewports? |
10:41:41 | JdGordon | PaulJam: ah yes... I have been meaning to fix that |
10:41:48 | advcomp2019 | pengo, i only have one issue with the keymap, but i am not fighting to get it changed |
10:41:48 | BigBambi | well you position the bitmap with the co-ordinates |
10:41:58 | BigBambi | realtive to the viewport they are in |
10:42:05 | BigBambi | *relative |
10:42:17 | Glorfindel | oh crap, I see it now >< where you preload! Thanks! |
10:42:28 | GodEater | hehe |
10:42:36 | fiftysixer | well g'nite all, and again - this is amazing...can't wait to start code-digging :) |
10:42:39 | GodEater | we're having a few facepalm moments today |
10:42:46 | pengo | advcomp2019: yah. i'll just shut up and give up. my iriver's on the way out anyway ( pengo-au/2627240261/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/pengo-au/2627240261/ ) |
10:42:56 | Dangalario | 01.01.00 for c250 can be rockboxed? |
10:43:05 | pengo | (the main controls have already died) |
10:43:18 | GodEater | pengo: why are you going to give up, I thought we were being pretty positive here ? |
10:43:33 | pengo | GodEater: cause i'm a defeatist. |
10:43:53 | pengo | GodEater: thanks for the feedback tho :) |
10:44:06 | * | GodEater is speechless |
10:44:25 | pixelma | Dangalario: yes |
10:44:53 | Dangalario | thanx alot is it any good btw? |
10:45:20 | pengo | GodEater: yeah i'm looking at the wiki |
10:45:31 | * | BigBambi wonders what the hell the point of that discussion was |
10:46:09 | SxSBruce | so do i |
10:46:44 | petur | pengo: fyi, that is your remote, not the h120 :p |
10:46:51 | Dangalario | ok how do i find out if my version of c250 is with fm or not? |
10:46:58 | pengo | petur: yeah but the buttons on the h120 are already dead :) |
10:47:22 | petur | pengo: treat your next player better |
10:47:51 | petur | and your other gear too, it will save you money |
10:47:58 | pengo | petur: never! if i can't keep it in my pocket and throw it around there's no point having it |
10:48:26 | pixelma | Dangalario: you might find that your c200 has a radio even if there is no option for it in the sansa firmware. You don't need to know it if you want to install Rockbox |
10:48:53 | petur | pengo: when the player is dead, donate/sell it for parts please, many people are looking for spare parts |
10:48:54 | pengo | petur: i think it's done pretty well for 5 years of abuse |
10:49:07 | pengo | petur: good point.. will do |
10:49:31 | Dangalario | yea but isnt it good to update sansa firmware im tired of updating database stuff in original firmware.. |
10:50:06 | Dangalario | and there are two firmwares on sansa site once for fm and another one without |
10:50:16 | pixelma | JdGordon: that patch gives warnings and a compile error in scroll_engine.c (compiling a c200 sim) |
10:51:39 | JdGordon | pixelma: sorry.. forgot to check a compile |
10:54:54 | pixelma | Dangalario: I don't know of any sansa firmware versions that don't have that database refresh. Discussing the OF would also be off-topic here and I guess you won't find many people here who knows anything about it |
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10:56:24 | JdGordon | PaulJam: it shuold never jump to a directory without any tracks in it should it? |
10:57:22 | JdGordon | I think check_subdir_for_music() just needs to be changed to check the single folder and always ignore subdirs |
10:57:32 | Glorfindel | The refreshing thing doesn't seem to happen if I have rockbox installed and turn it on by plugging in the USB cable... only happens when I turn it on and hit previous track button to boot into the OF. |
10:58:26 | pixelma | Glorfindel: you have an e200 series Sansa, I guess? |
10:58:59 | Glorfindel | yes, e250 refurb... just got it a couple days ago :) |
10:59:29 | JdGordon | ... maybe not |
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11:00:48 | pixelma | Glorfindel: suppressing the OF's database refresh works on most e200s with Rockbox but not on c200s, the OF deals a bit differently with it on the latter |
11:01:41 | Glorfindel | Ah, sorry, I assumed they'd be the same in that respect. |
11:02:04 | PaulJam | JdGordon: check_subdir_for_music() is also used for the normal folder advance, where it needs to check the subdirs. in my solution i added another parameter to this function that tells if it should check for music in subdirs (and if this is false, then return (with a negative value) before checking in subdirs). Unfortunately i can't post a patch because of the realname policy. |
11:02:32 | JdGordon | thats what I was about to do... but I;m not sure thats required |
11:04:12 | * | JdGordon just noticed reset settings doesnt change the language?! |
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11:05:57 | pixelma | Dangalario: just making sure - the firmware version that's currently on your c200 is a v01.xx.xx, no v03.xx.xx ? |
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11:09:36 | amiconn | JdGordon: That's on purpose |
11:10:35 | JdGordon | ? |
11:11:20 | Glorfindel | Yay! Finally got my Code Geass theme looking alright. |
11:12:50 | Glorfindel | Is there any way to snap a screenshot from the actual player? I don't have a simulator that will work with it (it uses the multifont stuff). |
11:13:00 | GodEater | Glorfindel: in the manual again ;) |
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11:13:26 | pixelma | JdGordon: seems to stop the problem but arouses another: now some lines in the WPS that need to scroll don't (looks like only the last line does when it needs to) |
11:14:35 | pixelma | GodEater: are you sure? |
11:14:42 | pengo | Glorfindel: i use a camera.. but i dont read manuals :) |
11:15:10 | Glorfindel | Heh, I'm scouring the manual... I don't think my camera would take a very good shot of it |
11:15:40 | pixelma | Glorfindel: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenDump |
11:15:41 | BigBambi | Glorfindel: If it isn't, in the debug menu there is an option for enable screen dumps or some such. Enable it, then insert the USB cable |
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11:16:03 | pixelma | GodEater: but the database.ignore is in the manual |
11:16:22 | BigBambi | Glorfindel: Or just look at pixelma's handy link :) |
11:16:37 | Glorfindel | Thanks for the link |
11:16:58 | GodEater | pixelma: We don't have that in the manual either? |
11:17:13 | GodEater | Bloody hell, I'm going to stop referring people to the manual now until I've committed the entire thing to memory |
11:17:25 | BigBambi | GodEater: I guess not as it is in the debug menu |
11:17:47 | pixelma | as BigBambi said earlier, the PDF is fine for searches... |
11:19:00 | markun | it's too late to rename database.ignore and unignore the exclude and include, right? |
11:19:48 | BigBambi | The only problem with include is that it sounds like it is necessary in all folders |
11:19:58 | markun | true |
11:20:04 | BigBambi | i.e. if you don't have it the folder won't be included |
11:20:21 | pixelma | and yes, unfortunately the manual lacks some information and one has to be carefull to refer people to it (I often check first). That was one reason why the documentation cleanup week was suggested |
11:20:30 | BigBambi | .ignore isn't to bad, but unignore is not a nice word :) |
11:21:06 | GodEater | s/to/too |
11:21:07 | GodEater | :) |
11:21:29 | BigBambi | many thanks :) |
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11:22:45 | JdGordon | the 2.5 release for the archos has been dumped hasnt it? |
11:23:02 | maffe | AAC playback is very slow :( Maybe 1 s playback and then 3 s pause |
11:23:08 | maffe | (X5L) |
11:23:47 | markun | maybe a file with SBR? |
11:23:54 | maffe | yes |
11:24:10 | maffe | about 24 kbps |
11:24:23 | markun | SBR is very CPU intensive |
11:24:28 | maffe | I just tried that out |
11:24:29 | maffe | ok |
11:25:18 | Glorfindel | It could still probably use some tweaking, but heres the theme. Its based heavily off "Kore" so I need to ask that guy before I take any credit or distribute it. |
11:25:22 | Glorfindel | http://glorf.com/rb_theme.html |
11:25:38 | maffe | Can SBR be turned off in the decoder? |
11:26:14 | maffe | I know it wouldn't sound very good then, but better than stuttering |
11:26:33 | markun | I think it can be turned off |
11:26:35 | JdGordon | pixelma: the WPS?! thats odd |
11:26:55 | markun | maffe: but yes, it will sound pretty bad, at half the samplerate. |
11:28:24 | pixelma | JdGordon: I'll check an unpatched one again, but don't think I've ever seen this before |
11:28:39 | JdGordon | dont bother... just checked here... |
11:28:42 | JdGordon | its broken |
11:28:45 | JdGordon | bugger |
11:29:01 | Dangalario | intresting the sansa c250 rockbox can't browse folders in root |
11:29:38 | JdGordon | yes it can |
11:29:44 | Dangalario | oh |
11:29:49 | maffe | for voice podcasts it might be good enough without SBR |
11:29:59 | Dangalario | i had to put my files inside system |
11:30:02 | JdGordon | Dangalario: you need to change it to show all files |
11:30:15 | Dangalario | ahh a simple option |
11:30:21 | Dangalario | thx mate |
11:30:43 | pixelma | Dangalario: sure it can, but I guess you only used the folder structure that was on there before and the Sansa firmware hides its folders by default and Rockbox doesn't show hidden folders or files by default |
11:31:02 | Dangalario | heh musta forgotten that |
11:31:09 | JdGordon | pixelma: the problem I think is that the supplied themes have overlapping viewports, so its working as it should |
11:31:20 | Dangalario | i was kinda used to e260 v1 |
11:31:25 | pixelma | JdGordon: I don't understand? |
11:31:30 | maffe | yeah, finally I can listen to my 48 kHz FLAC files :D |
11:31:32 | JdGordon | dont worry then |
11:31:40 | Dangalario | and now c250 seems somehow diffrent in control |
11:31:51 | Dangalario | i like the wheel bettrer |
11:31:53 | Dangalario | :) |
11:31:58 | pixelma | JdGordon: I'm testing with my own WPS if that makes any difference |
11:32:08 | JdGordon | does it have any viewports? |
11:32:31 | markun | maffe: I'm looking at the source to see how it can be disabled |
11:32:34 | pixelma | sure, but they aren't overlapping I think, you could check... |
11:32:43 | JdGordon | yeah, pastebin the wps |
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11:33:50 | maffe | I'm impressed :) |
11:34:54 | maffe | (I installed Rockbox today after I discovered dual boot) |
11:35:07 | JdGordon | pixelma: wierd logic error... fixed it, but need to figure out a cleaner fix |
11:35:18 | markun | maffe: I see there is also a SBR_LOW_POWER define, maybe it will speed things up |
11:38:24 | rasher | Bagder: Why does rockbox-fonts.zip contain an empty database.ignore file? |
11:39:07 | B4gder | no idea |
11:39:09 | pixelma | database.ignore files are always empty |
11:39:20 | B4gder | ah then that's why |
11:39:25 | B4gder | to ignore the fonts dir |
11:39:30 | B4gder | I guess |
11:39:34 | rasher | B4gder: but it's in .rockbox |
11:40:05 | rasher | (I didn't know that's how database.ignore worked, then it's not a problem as such, but still weird) |
11:40:11 | pixelma | then it'll ignore the complete .rockbox with its subfolders unless in one of them is a database.unignore |
11:40:39 | pixelma | and the usual build zips also contain it |
11:40:42 | rasher | But still, that should be in the rockbox main zip (which it is) |
11:40:44 | markun | I think it was mainly done to speed thing but, but now everything is scanned regardless of database.unignore |
11:40:47 | rasher | Why put it in the fonts as well? |
11:41:17 | pixelma | maybe to be "on the safe side"? |
11:41:29 | B4gder | or just a mistake |
11:41:33 | rasher | Just means the user gets a "replace database.ignore" prompt when unzipping |
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11:42:06 | rasher | It's not .rockbox/fonts/database.ignore, but .rockbox/database.ignore |
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11:42:21 | pixelma | yeah, understood |
11:43:37 | Noober | is anyone here that grant Wiki write permissions? |
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11:44:22 | BigBambi | Yes (and what a terribly annoying nick!) |
11:44:49 | markun | maffe: it doesn't compile with SBR_LOW_PWER |
11:45:20 | maffe | :/ |
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11:58:43 | pixelma | JdGordon: updated to SVN and the scrolling lines problem in the WPS is there with my WPS and with cabbiev2 too (only the next song info line scrolls), no problems with iCatcher as it doesn't use viewports at all I guess |
11:59:01 | * | JdGordon was afraid of that |
11:59:20 | JdGordon | bugger :( |
11:59:29 | JdGordon | can you pastebin your wps? |
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12:01:04 | pixelma | if you can make sense of it :P (actually it's hard to read it myself...) |
12:01:31 | JdGordon | im getting better at the wps syntax :) |
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12:01:58 | pixelma | want to test something before |
12:04:59 | pixelma | hmm... seems like it is my WPS :\ |
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12:36:39 | safetydan | Does anyone know if RaeNye ever got anywhere with porting lua? |
12:37:24 | safetydan | I'm having a go at porting it as a viewer, but it's segfautling deep in the bowels of lua |
12:39:29 | * | GodEater thinks it's good to see such trivial features being added ;) |
12:40:27 | safetydan | well I figure a simple scripting language might make it easier for some people to develop plugins |
12:40:41 | GodEater | very true I expect |
12:41:00 | GodEater | does it segfault in the sim too ? |
12:41:06 | GodEater | or is that the only place you're running it so far ? |
12:42:27 | safetydan | sim only so far |
12:42:56 | safetydan | I've got other issues to solve before getting it working on targets, e.g. a functional setjmp/longjmp implementation |
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12:48:26 | Dangalario | any dev intrested in a player donation? |
12:48:58 | cool_walking_ | I'm not a dev, but I daresay it depends on what player it is. |
12:49:10 | Dangalario | mp4 digital player |
12:49:19 | Dangalario | it only serves as paperweight here |
12:49:26 | safetydan | hah, looks like I need a stub setjmp/longjmp even in the sim |
12:49:39 | Dangalario | its a chinese mp4 |
12:51:46 | markun | Dangalario: which one? |
12:52:14 | Dangalario | it sez mp4 digital player |
12:52:27 | markun | sez? :) |
12:52:39 | markun | but nothing else? |
12:52:52 | Dangalario | yup |
12:53:14 | markun | could you perhaps take a picture then, or do you know a website where they sell it? |
12:53:15 | safetydan | well crap, now I have to make setjmp/longjmp work first even in the sim |
12:53:23 | Dangalario | lemme check |
12:53:27 | markun | Dangalario: btw, where would you be shipping it from? |
12:53:52 | Dangalario | this one http://mobilesupportservices.co.uk/shop/catalog1/images/CVAAL-A25N-2-face_jpg_thumb_241x240.jpg |
12:54:14 | Dangalario | although the device is small its screen is as big as sansa e200 series |
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12:56:03 | markun | Dangalario: OLED screen, nice |
12:56:24 | markun | I'll try to find out which CPU it has |
12:56:37 | markun | unless you want to open it up and take some pictures |
12:57:02 | Dangalario | i would if i had the right size screwdrivers |
12:57:45 | GodEater | Dangalario: use a hammer ? :) |
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12:58:53 | Dangalario | destroy the mp3? |
12:59:24 | GodEater | I *was* kidding... |
12:59:54 | Dangalario | CVAAL-A25N its the name of mine (i think) |
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13:00:13 | Dangalario | newer versions have sd support but this one is a 2gb one. |
13:00:36 | markun | yes, I think so too A25N has many hits |
13:00:59 | markun | but so far nothing on the CPU |
13:01:17 | Dangalario | ok i go find a screwdriver |
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13:01:47 | PaulJam | interesting, my uisim crashes (segfault?) after running the random_folder_advance_config plugin |
13:03:41 | Dangalario | could it be so that it has some cpu that already is rockbox supported? |
13:03:46 | leftright | Hi, could someone familiar with wps syntax look over my wps http://pastebin.com/m7f485a70 my album picture flickers sometimes, don't knwo why |
13:04:40 | leftright | I don't load album art, its just a fixed .bmp which says "album" |
13:04:41 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
13:06:57 | Dangalario | opened it up |
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13:10:33 | Dangalario | samsung 716 k9LAG008U0M PCB0 a big component probably the cpu |
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13:12:07 | B4gder | could be |
13:14:52 | Dangalario | markun okay i made some pics |
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13:15:21 | B4gder | a single google hit on that k9 string |
13:15:28 | B4gder | http://s1-mp3-player.org/Dead_Players/Dead-player−−looking-for-ATJ-2097H-ACT-V90-48.html |
13:16:49 | markun | B4gder: when I looked for the video format of this player I also found something about S1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMV_video_format |
13:17:31 | markun | although I don't know if your link is about a S1 player |
13:18:30 | Dangalario | s1 arnt s1 small size stuff? |
13:19:06 | markun | Dangalario: well, according to that wikipedia page there are also S1 player who play video |
13:19:25 | markun | I also thought they were small and audio only |
13:19:51 | markun | http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic766232.html |
13:20:25 | B4gder | Dangalario: is there an ATJ chip on there as well? |
13:20:42 | PaulJam | leftright: flickering usually happens when a part of the WPS is overlapped by a different viewport. |
13:21:18 | Dangalario | just closed the player |
13:21:30 | Dangalario | have to bluetooth the pics from the cel |
13:21:45 | leftright | PaulJam: thanks |
13:21:57 | Dangalario | and i'll tell |
13:22:13 | B4gder | 'Actions Semiconductor Co., Ltd. , one of China's leading fabless semiconductor companies, today announced that one of its mainstream products, the ATJ 2097, was selected by the Ministry of Information Industry ("MII") of the People's Republic of China as the "China Chip with Best Market Performance in 2006."' |
13:22:23 | B4gder | haha |
13:22:31 | B4gder | lovely that |
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13:23:28 | markun | it must be true! |
13:23:39 | lurker | looks like that samsung chip is a flash-chip. http://www.datasheet4u.com/html/K/9/L/K9LAG08U0M_SamsungElectronics.pdf.html |
13:23:41 | PaulJam | leftright: btw, i seems you wps is missing some things, foe example no conditional VP with "a" as descriptor, but %Vda , and no %Cl tag but %C. |
13:23:52 | markun | lurker: yes, I was just thinking that |
13:24:06 | B4gder | yes, k9 seems to be common on their flashes |
13:24:06 | lurker | clcik on datasheet view for a pdf for that chip |
13:24:12 | lurker | click |
13:24:15 | markun | like k4 for SDRAM |
13:24:36 | markun | so we still know nothing about the CPU |
13:24:45 | lurker | i believe the player manufacturer is chinavasion |
13:25:24 | B4gder | I think the 2097 is the SoC |
13:25:38 | B4gder | oops |
13:25:45 | B4gder | that wasn't from Dangalario's palyer |
13:26:16 | Dangalario | Hmm pics got all blurry |
13:26:27 | Dangalario | guess celphone cam sucks |
13:26:35 | lurker | amen |
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13:26:41 | B4gder | ugh |
13:26:46 | lurker | they usually do |
13:26:57 | B4gder | even regular cameras are often not good enough for doing pcb photos |
13:27:26 | B4gder | which is why we recommend scanners for that |
13:27:31 | lurker | bye |
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13:27:56 | markun | bye lurker (since you are reading the logs anyway :) |
13:28:05 | B4gder | haha |
13:28:20 | Dangalario | maybe i need to edit in paint what diffrent components say? |
13:28:46 | markun | Dangalario: no a bad idea |
13:30:43 | Dangalario | Ok guess im opening it up again he he |
13:30:48 | markun | :) |
13:33:47 | leftright | PaulJam: thanks for pointing out the missing items, I have no idea with syntax, monkey see, monkey do |
13:34:31 | leftright | plagariser of note :-> |
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13:40:24 | Dangalario | hosting it now |
13:40:44 | Dangalario | modified picture with more explaining. |
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13:41:11 | Dangalario | this should be it http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00211im0.jpg |
13:41:42 | B4gder | hah, there was an ATJ |
13:42:10 | Dangalario | hmm u guys already coded atj stuff? |
13:42:13 | markun | B4gder: nice find ;) |
13:42:18 | markun | nope |
13:42:50 | Dangalario | well this player is a cheap paperweight here. |
13:43:00 | markun | B4gder: did you find which ISA it uses? |
13:43:49 | Dangalario | i don't mind donating it considering i got 2 V1 sansas c250 2gb verycheap up and running rockbox :D |
13:45:59 | B4gder | I didn't find much at all about it |
13:46:11 | B4gder | I know ATJ is Action Semiconductor |
13:47:31 | B4gder | "Clear Leader in the Rapidly Growing Non-iPod, BRIC Market" ... |
13:47:34 | B4gder | BRIC? |
13:47:36 | markun | I'm looking for the usual suspects such as ARM and MIPS |
13:47:55 | B4gder | http://www.actions.com.cn/en/110906ActionsInvestorPresentationNov2006.pdf |
13:48:41 | Dangalario | so the cheap china players use that stuff |
13:48:42 | B4gder | and it is... |
13:48:44 | B4gder | MIPS! |
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13:49:32 | markun | Dangalario: you could also ask the people in #s1mp3 about it |
13:49:37 | B4gder | that pdf spells it out |
13:50:22 | B4gder | " |
13:50:22 | B4gder | China graduates 300,000 engineers/year; our engineers are |
13:50:22 | B4gder | hard working and cost $11,000/year |
13:50:43 | B4gder | just so you know ;-) |
13:50:50 | markun | multiple MIPS cores? |
13:51:06 | B4gder | probably different ones in different products |
13:51:12 | markun | B4gder: somehow it's cute :) |
13:52:32 | Dangalario | donating it to s1mp3 people? |
13:53:26 | markun | I don't know if they are more likely to do something useful with it |
13:53:43 | markun | perhaps we can one day work together to support even more players |
13:54:14 | Dangalario | well that would be the day when a cheapass player turns into a mighty rockbox |
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13:54:44 | Dangalario | i thought s1mp3 was dead |
13:55:16 | markun | maybe it is |
13:55:50 | markun | http://wiki.s1mp3.org/Software_development |
13:55:57 | markun | "We have none. Please, write one! |
13:56:01 | B4gder | haha |
13:56:17 | markun | or maybe I'm looking in the wrong place? |
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14:00:38 | markun | from http://wiki.s1mp3.org/Hardware : |
14:00:47 | markun | "OLED displays need a special driver chip to power them and will use a single GPIO to turn the backlight on or off." |
14:01:05 | markun | isn't the idea behind OLED that you don't use a backlight at all? |
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14:03:46 | B4gder | "A significant benefit of OLED displays over traditional liquid crystal displays (LCDs) is that OLEDs do not require a backlight to function. " |
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14:04:24 | KimWoojin | Hello |
14:04:29 | markun | hi KimWoojin |
14:04:33 | KimWoojin | I'm Korean :) |
14:04:41 | markun | I thought so :) |
14:04:54 | KimWoojin | Hmm |
14:04:56 | KimWoojin | do i can make firmware of iriver D20? |
14:05:23 | KimWoojin | I want make firmware of iriver D20.. :_ |
14:05:29 | B4gder | KimWoojin: see www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort |
14:05:34 | KimWoojin | EYS |
14:05:37 | KimWoojin | Yes |
14:05:59 | markun | B4gder: I didn't know about te /wiki/ shortcut |
14:06:17 | B4gder | it's a magic redirect |
14:06:24 | Dangalario | i miss the days when chicks wernt into geeky stuff |
14:06:44 | markun | Dangalario: better go to #rockbox-community to talk about that |
14:07:02 | Dangalario | sure |
14:07:08 | KimWoojin | Hmm English is VERY DIFFICULT :) |
14:07:19 | markun | KimWoojin: do you know which CPU is inside the D20? |
14:07:33 | B4gder | KimWoojin: I'm sure your english is better than our korean... |
14:07:34 | markun | Samsung S5L8700 perhaps? |
14:07:44 | KimWoojin | hmm |
14:08:20 | markun | KimWoojin: best to first find out which chips are inside your player |
14:08:28 | markun | Maybe you can open it up and take some pictures |
14:08:45 | KimWoojin | hmm |
14:08:47 | markun | Or find a website where someone else has done that :) |
14:08:58 | KimWoojin | YES :) |
14:09:42 | KimWoojin | Iriver D20 is Good dictionary player. But firmware is bad :( |
14:10:06 | markun | To make a new firmware is a lot of work |
14:10:18 | KimWoojin | Yes |
14:11:27 | KimWoojin | fgd |
14:12:13 | markun | KimWoojin: is there a firmware update for the D20? |
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14:13:17 | markun | some links to the D20 but they are broken :( http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060628.txt |
14:13:29 | KimWoojin | Really Firmware? |
14:13:31 | markun | (When llorean was known under a different name :) |
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14:14:49 | KimWoojin | umm |
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14:15:17 | markun | KimWoojin: firmware update on the official iriver site I mean |
14:15:54 | KimWoojin | YES |
14:15:58 | KimWoojin | Yes I have |
14:16:34 | markun | Can you give me a link? |
14:16:39 | markun | to the firmware update |
14:16:51 | KimWoojin | hmm |
14:17:02 | KimWoojin | wait |
14:17:17 | KimWoojin | Hmm |
14:17:28 | KimWoojin | Do you have E-mail? |
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14:18:03 | KimWoojin | It is not a download link |
14:18:19 | markun | KimWoojin: I wrote you a PM, can you see it? |
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14:18:34 | KimWoojin | what is the PM?;; |
14:18:44 | KimWoojin | whisper? |
14:18:48 | markun | "personal message" in IRC |
14:19:05 | KimWoojin | Yes |
14:20:46 | markun | so, did you see my email address? |
14:20:49 | KimWoojin | Oh |
14:20:52 | KimWoojin | http://iriver.nefficient.co.kr/iriver/download/firmware/dic/D20/D20_UPDATE080326_v1_40_WEB.exe |
14:20:53 | KimWoojin | Here |
14:20:57 | markun | thanks :) |
14:21:01 | KimWoojin | hmygod |
14:21:03 | KimWoojin | ohmygod |
14:21:05 | KimWoojin | hm |
14:21:22 | KimWoojin | wait |
14:21:29 | KimWoojin | I'll send the E-mail |
14:21:34 | markun | ok |
14:22:14 | B4gder | that url gives me a 403 |
14:22:20 | markun | me too |
14:25:15 | KimWoojin | umm |
14:25:25 | KimWoojin | wait 40second |
14:25:41 | KimWoojin | The Firmware is Dat File |
14:25:46 | Dangalario | I can have up to 8 gb in sansa c250 right? |
14:26:12 | B4gder | microsdhc you mean? |
14:26:22 | Dangalario | yep |
14:26:28 | B4gder | there's no limit at 8 |
14:26:36 | Dangalario | oh |
14:26:51 | Dangalario | nice |
14:26:58 | KimWoojin | Finish |
14:27:02 | KimWoojin | I send you mail |
14:27:12 | markun | I received it |
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14:27:44 | KimWoojin | Hmm |
14:28:05 | markun | 335MB big??? |
14:28:07 | SxSBruce | ? |
14:28:13 | markun | hi SxSBruce |
14:28:15 | KimWoojin | YEs |
14:28:17 | B4gder | that's... _big_ |
14:28:19 | KimWoojin | It's BIG |
14:28:21 | SxSBruce | hi... |
14:28:27 | KimWoojin | HI~ |
14:28:38 | B4gder | an entire linux distro |
14:28:39 | markun | SxSBruce: so far I'm the only one working on the M6 I think, although other people are helping a bit |
14:29:03 | markun | B4gder: I can host if fo you if you want to have a look |
14:29:03 | SxSBruce | the reply is quite late,ha? |
14:29:21 | B4gder | I do, but not just now I'm soon to run off |
14:29:22 | markun | SxSBruce: yes, we keep missing eachother, first I was sleeping, then taking a shower |
14:29:36 | markun | B4gder: 29 minutes remaining :( |
14:29:42 | KimWoojin | Hmm |
14:29:51 | SxSBruce | KimWoojin,ur name is very familiar to me... |
14:30:00 | KimWoojin | I'm Korean~! |
14:30:11 | SxSBruce | yeah, time zone is a great problem |
14:30:24 | * | GodEater refuses to believe that all Korean's are called KimWoojin |
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14:30:46 | markun | SxSBruce: so you want to help with the port? |
14:30:46 | SxSBruce | :-d |
14:31:00 | markun | which player do you have? |
14:31:08 | KimWoojin | :-: |
14:31:10 | SxSBruce | well i want to,but |
14:31:12 | KimWoojin | :-) |
14:31:16 | KimWoojin | xD |
14:31:18 | KimWoojin | Xd |
14:31:20 | KimWoojin | xD |
14:31:23 | SxSBruce | Im not sure i can be a help |
14:31:27 | KimWoojin | ^^ |
14:31:28 | SxSBruce | Its M6 |
14:31:35 | B4gder | KimWoojin: there's no need to flood with junk |
14:31:52 | markun | SxSBruce: T1/TP, SP, SL? |
14:31:59 | SxSBruce | SP |
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14:32:22 | KimWoojin | :) |
14:32:36 | SxSBruce | Actually having no idea about cracking the players firmware |
14:33:00 | KimWoojin | Hmm |
14:33:29 | markun | SxSBruce: we got pretty much all the datasheets and the firmware is unencrypted, so that helps |
14:33:41 | SxSBruce | He just said they wanna someone knowing about C |
14:34:02 | SxSBruce | ? u mean i can do... |
14:34:17 | KimWoojin | Hmm |
14:34:20 | markun | in the beginning it's also useful to know ARM assembly |
14:34:24 | KimWoojin | What is that MEAN |
14:34:24 | markun | KimWoojin: can you please stop that? |
14:34:53 | KimWoojin | Hmm |
14:34:57 | markun | KimWoojin: SxSBruce and I are talking about a different player |
14:35:02 | SxSBruce | KimWoojin:pretending to be cute is not so appealing now... |
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14:35:29 | KimWoojin | YES |
14:35:53 | SxSBruce | markun: so whats useful now? |
14:36:10 | KimWoojin | KimWoojin: Ohmygod |
14:36:17 | markun | KimWoojin: please.. |
14:36:33 | KimWoojin | markun: What is that mean :- |
14:37:20 | KimWoojin | Hmm |
14:37:31 | KimWoojin | English is difficult T_T |
14:37:45 | B4gder | KimWoojin: stop talking if you don't understand. Lots of different discussions are held in this channel. |
14:37:47 | KimWoojin | Hmm |
14:38:01 | KimWoojin | Oh Yes Thankyou |
14:38:05 | JdGordon | PaulJam: random folder adv crashed? |
14:38:34 | PaulJam | JdGordon: yes, but only with the changes that you reverted |
14:38:54 | JdGordon | the commit before that worked? |
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14:39:36 | PaulJam | r17914 => crash; r17915 => works. |
14:40:06 | JdGordon | thats a bad sign |
14:40:28 | PaulJam | i don't really see what the plugin has to do with the scroll engine. |
14:40:38 | JdGordon | not a thing... |
14:42:09 | PaulJam | btw, FS #7077 can be closed now. |
14:42:29 | JdGordon | great |
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14:42:53 | KimWoojin | i have to go now |
14:43:01 | KimWoojin | have a nice day~ :) |
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14:43:18 | * | JdGordon would like someone to get pissed with him for the scroll engine changes so he doesnt have to fix all the supplied WPS' and the RFA bug (?) |
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14:44:23 | GodEater | if making you fix all the issues is punishment, then yeah, I'm pissed ;) |
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14:45:51 | JdGordon | no... getting pissed would mean reverting the whole thing, diong a bandaid fix for the yes/no screen and going to bed before 11pm :p |
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14:47:54 | GodEater | nah - that lets you off too lightly |
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14:50:14 | PaulJam | just a silly question: is it smart to have the md5 plugin in the apps dir? i just launced from there in the uisim and it seems to process _every_ file on the player (and there doesn't seem to be a quit button) |
14:51:00 | JdGordon | yeah, I did that a while ago also... it needs to be abortable |
14:51:29 | JdGordon | PaulJam: RFA crashed how? did you do anything funny in the plugin? |
14:51:57 | SxSBruce | 88 |
14:52:02 | SxSBruce | 88 |
14:52:13 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK SxSBruce |
14:52:13 | SxSBruce | 88 |
14:52:14 | JdGordon | prepare for a kicking.... |
14:52:23 | PaulJam | JdGordon: just launch it, then quit and on the next buttonpress the sim crashes. |
14:52:39 | JdGordon | h300 yeah? |
14:52:50 | PaulJam | jep |
14:53:15 | SxSBruce | i was just thinking whats going on cos my typing didnt show on screen |
14:53:33 | GodEater | SxSBruce: it's called Lag, get used to it |
14:53:34 | JdGordon | we wont stop you.. |
14:53:40 | SxSBruce | later i found it didnt autoscroll XD |
14:53:52 | JdGordon | PaulJam: umm... wtf? it just crashed for me without getting that far |
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14:54:42 | JdGordon | PaulJam: AH! wow, good thing I reverted that quickly.... big booboo |
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15:10:52 | Ice`` | Hi there. |
15:11:29 | stooo | hi over there also |
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15:11:45 | Ice`` | Does anyone here want to work / work on on rockbox Zen V Plus port? |
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15:12:28 | SxSBruce | u should ask in a different place |
15:12:55 | JdGordon | Ice``: your best bet is the new ports section in the forums |
15:13:15 | Ice`` | JdGordon: Okay, thank you. |
15:14:26 | JdGordon | amiconn: LinusN: what do you think about raising the MAX_OPEN_DIRS define on higher mem targets? there are at least 3 open tasks relating to this... although I'd be happy to clsoe the lot and force people to just not have 8+ deep folder trees... |
15:15:01 | LinusN | go ahead |
15:15:09 | JdGordon | the "bug report" is from dec 2006 though |
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15:18:08 | Ice`` | Ok. Does anyone know where I could ask for buying a specific mp3 player? |
15:18:23 | Ice`` | Like a Creative Zen V / V Plus |
15:18:23 | stooo | maybe ebay ? |
15:18:41 | Ice`` | Yeah, I'll try. Not a bad idea. |
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15:27:49 | KimWoojin | Hello :) |
15:29:00 | KimWoojin | Hello~~~ :) |
15:29:06 | KimWoojin | Hello~~~~ :-) |
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15:29:19 | KimWoojin | Hi~~~~ :-) |
15:29:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | KimWoojin: Stop it! |
15:29:26 | KimWoojin | Sorry |
15:30:02 | KimWoojin | I want to make iriver D20 Rockbox Firmware |
15:30:15 | GodEater | yes, we remember |
15:30:26 | KimWoojin | Yes;.. |
15:30:28 | JdGordon | KimWoojin: try the anything but ipod forums... |
15:30:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | Good, you can start by reading this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
15:30:57 | KimWoojin | I'm korean so I can't English well |
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16:33:23 | JdGordon | doesnt one of the newer targets have the digital radio chip? |
16:34:58 | gevaerts | Some D2s have DAB. The Logik DAX and ATMT as well, but they aren't very far yet |
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16:35:57 | * | scorche|sh thinks the port to the DAX should be abandoned...it is a horrible brick |
16:37:19 | JdGordon | is the DAX the thing at the top of the uber-tower? |
16:37:24 | scorche|sh | yes |
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16:38:46 | * | gevaerts copies a line from somewhere : "but it looks pretty =)" |
16:43:53 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinks the DAX looks like a bigger, fatter Sansa m200 |
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16:47:37 | scorche|sh | only with a humpback and a few warts |
16:48:54 | preglow | JdGordon: i'll probably start digging pretty eagerly at the dab chip in the d2 once things are running nicer than they are now |
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16:49:36 | preglow | i think it uses the same chip as the dax |
16:52:17 | JdGordon | preglow: ok, was just checking my memory wasnt completly off |
16:52:28 | pixelma | JdGordon: RDS isn't DAB though, still none of the tuner chips used in Rockbox targets support it |
16:52:36 | pixelma | as far as I know |
16:53:30 | preglow | me neither |
16:53:40 | SxSBruce | what player? |
16:53:55 | preglow | rds is just a digital subcarrier in a regular fm transmission |
16:54:42 | SxSBruce | okkkk.btw,what compiler is for M6? the Arm? |
16:55:21 | preglow | m68k, coldfire |
16:55:25 | preglow | afaik |
16:55:40 | preglow | oh, forget me |
16:55:44 | preglow | i'm confusing targets |
16:55:49 | preglow | arm, yes |
16:56:05 | SxSBruce | yeah and i was confused by u |
16:56:49 | preglow | *shrug* |
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17:22:19 | JdGordon | pixelma: ah ok |
17:22:37 | JdGordon | also, can you check svn and the yesno screen? that most recent commit should also have ixed it |
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17:23:49 | * | GodEater thinks the latest post to the dev list raises a good question, was the H300 bootloader looked at at all ? |
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17:25:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | petur and LinusN: Yes, how did it go with the H300 bootloader? Were you guys able to look at it? |
17:28:16 | pixelma | JdGordon: will take a look |
17:29:40 | petur | LambdaCalculus37: Linus found the commit that breaks things, still has to figure out why |
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17:34:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | petur: Which commit was it that broke things? |
17:34:40 | pixelma | JdGordon: yes, that screen looks correctly now |
17:35:36 | petur | LambdaCalculus37: I honestly don't know, Linus invetigated it by himself, I just borrowed him my h380 to test bootloader builds on |
17:35:59 | petur | he did show it to me but I didn't note it down somewhere |
17:36:01 | GodEater | didn't he say he hosed his BDM too ? |
17:36:09 | GodEater | or was that for a different target ? |
17:36:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yeah, on his H100 IIRC. |
17:36:18 | petur | h100, yes |
17:36:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | Poor H100. :( |
17:36:53 | GodEater | there's still a bootloader waiting to be made "official" for that too isn't there ? |
17:36:57 | pixelma | JdGordon: also, my WPS behaves correctly again, will still try to find out whether there are some overlapping VPs or so |
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17:37:37 | JdGordon | pixelma: ok, but dont waste too much time on it (at least not with the reverted code)... it will crash |
17:37:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: There's a v7 bootloader that's in SVN. Still isn't complete, though. |
17:37:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think it's bootloader v7pre4? |
17:37:59 | GodEater | I have a v7 on my H100 |
17:38:03 | GodEater | I think it's pre3 though |
17:38:19 | GodEater | hasnt' gone wrong for me so far :) |
17:38:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Did you flash Rockbox to your H100? |
17:38:44 | pixelma | JdGordon: you mean it'll crash when there are overlapping VPs? |
17:39:21 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: naturally ;) |
17:39:42 | JdGordon | pixelma: no.. it will crash in the browser/menus when you move off a scrolling line |
17:39:42 | GodEater | I should probably update the flashed version though - it's way old |
17:39:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | I should do the same for my JBRv1. |
17:40:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | I haven't updated it in 6 months! |
17:40:44 | pixelma | JdGordon: ah, ok |
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17:47:50 | Strife89 | Do I need to put a copy of a recent build into the Rockbox simulator? |
17:48:32 | Strife89 | Almost nothing is working as-is. (example: I can't go under "Plugins") |
17:48:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: If you're using Windows, just download a new version. |
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17:49:30 | Llorean | Strife89: The simulator *is* the build. If you want a recent sim, you have to rebuild the whole thing. Putting a player build into it will just break things. |
17:49:32 | Strife89 | Can you link me to it? (YES, I have looked. The place I downloaded from seems outdated) |
17:49:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator |
17:50:11 | Strife89 | Alright, thank you. |
17:50:30 | Strife89 | Suppose I want to test a music file. Where do I put it? |
17:50:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | Make a folder in the "archos" folder for the sim, then toss your music in there. |
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17:51:39 | Strife89 | Okay. I suppose that "Archos" represents the "device's" built-in storage? |
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17:53:03 | Strife89 | Anyways, thank you. :) |
17:53:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: Yep, you're right. :) |
17:53:40 | BigBambi | I have pre4 on my H100 - pre 3 was missing a wait that meant I couldn't turn on with the remote - it thought hold was permanently on |
17:53:46 | BigBambi | @GodEater |
17:54:09 | GodEater | BigBambi: ah - I don't use my remote anymore, so that wouldn't have bothered me |
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17:56:49 | Strife89 | You know, the simulator *could* replace CoolPlayerPortable as my flash-drive media player. (Those of you who have been to www.portableapps.com should know what I mean) |
17:56:51 | BigBambi | GodEater: Having flashed rockbox is nice though - but likewise I haven't updated it in a long long time |
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18:02:24 | phixxor | is there a way to help supporting a device that currently isn't supported if I've never programmed before in my life? |
18:02:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | What device would that be? |
18:03:02 | Strife89 | Agrh. Every time I start the simulator, I get "no .rockbox directory" "Installation incomplete". I can't get any list of plugins, nor can I access the File Browser. Initializing the Database yields a constant "0". ( |
18:03:02 | Strife89 | I admit I'm running it under Wine right now, but I've been told that's not a problem. |
18:03:02 | Strife89 | I am using the Sansa c200 build. |
18:03:17 | phixxor | sandisk sansa m series |
18:03:53 | phixxor | I think mine is the m230 |
18:03:58 | Llorean | Strife89: If you're on Linux, why not compile your own sim? |
18:04:14 | Strife89 | I have no earthly idea how. :( |
18:04:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | phixxor: Some work was started on a port for the Sansa m200 series, but it's still very basic and will require one to at least know how to compile an application and upload it using a special tool. |
18:04:29 | BigBambi | phixxor: It is possible; sure, but would be a hell of a lot of work |
18:04:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | Plus, the port does nothing but display basic information. |
18:04:41 | Llorean | Strife89: It's the same as compiling Rockbox, you just pick "Sim" instead of "Normal" |
18:04:47 | Strife89 | What do I do, download a bunch of sources and execute "makefile"? |
18:04:48 | Llorean | The instructions haven't changed for years. |
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18:05:20 | maffe | Hi, maybe someone could change the wiki page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison - The X5 does support FLAC, but not with 48 kHz. And deleting files is possible, but not that easy (switching to USB host mode required). And then there's the footnote 19 mentioned at WMA decoding, but that footnote does not belong to WMA decoding. |
18:05:29 | phixxor | lambdaCalculus37: how involved would it be? I've compiled applications before |
18:05:29 | gevaerts | phixxor: I think that some people who know what they're doing are working on it, and that they already have all information you can get by just looking (and opening the device), so without knowing how to program I don't think there is much you can do right now |
18:05:33 | Llorean | Strife89: There's development documentation in the wiki that should help, linked from the index. |
18:05:41 | phixxor | ok |
18:05:57 | phixxor | cool it's already being worked on |
18:06:00 | Strife89 | Maffe: I'll look at it. |
18:06:10 | maffe | thanks |
18:06:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | phixxor: If you want to help test code, though, read these pages: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN, and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile |
18:07:32 | phixxor | thanks |
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18:09:50 | PaulJam | doen't rockbox resample everything to 44.1 kHz so that 48kHz material might actually sound worse than native 44.1kHz material? |
18:10:11 | Llorean | At the moment, yes. |
18:10:18 | gevaerts | I'm not sure if all targets are 44.1, but yes |
18:10:42 | Llorean | Several targets should be able to handle other sample rates natively, but iiuc it's not a simple task. |
18:10:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | I have some Ogg Vorbis files that I had encoded from 48 kHz WAVs, but they sound just fine on my iPods and my Gigabeast. |
18:12:08 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: The difference should be small. Our resampler just isn't the best. |
18:12:10 | Strife89 | The chart looks daunting, so I won't risk messing with it. I confess I merely pasted all but the last sentence of maffe's notes as an unlinked 20th footnote. :( |
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18:31:57 | Llorean | Alright guys, I've been thinking. |
18:32:26 | Llorean | What do people think about, in preparation for the release, devs make a list of their "favorite" bugs. Specifically: Ones they might be interested in fixing themselves, but need reliable volunteer testers for. |
18:33:18 | J-23 | Is there any Rockbox plugin which uses yesno element? |
18:33:20 | Llorean | So we put a wiki page together with these lists, and try to get some of us with multiple targets, but less odds of fixing bugs ourselves, into the fray doing more testing as we approach the freeze and during it, since we have a list of explicit bugs to test on, and what the related dev wants to see done. |
18:33:29 | J-23 | (does it depend on target?) |
18:33:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: I may not be a dev, but I think that's a pretty good idea, if not for the fact that I'm always willing to help test fixes. ;) |
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18:34:21 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: I imagine it's more useful to "confirm" bugs, as well. There's a lot of bugs that maybe the appropriate dev for fixing them (in terms of code knowledge) doesn't have the target to reproduce, or doesn't have a player that exhibits that quirk. |
18:34:42 | Llorean | And it seems quite handy to have a reliable tester, as if we have to wait a week for a response to a flypsray task nothing will get done. |
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18:35:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: For example, various hardware revisions of a particular target? I refer to the 4G iPod LCD bug in this case. |
18:35:31 | Llorean | Exactly like that sort of thing. |
18:36:01 | Llorean | Someone who can be around as often as possible during the freeze, and maybe give the dev an email address for build-dropoffs and such. |
18:38:31 | gevaerts | Llorean: I think it's a good idea. However, depending on when exactly the release is I might not be able to do much |
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20:28:00 | Reemo | Hey guys |
20:28:08 | Reemo | just thought wether its possible to replace the hdd in Cowon iAudio X5 with another 1,8" with ZIF Connector |
20:29:32 | domonoky | Reemo: sure its possible, if you have a hd with the right connector (there are different zif Connectors i think) |
20:29:49 | markun | Reemo: some info http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement |
20:30:13 | PaulJam | Reemo: you'd need an adapter. but ther might not be enough space to fit the hard drive + adapter. |
20:30:46 | Reemo | ah okay |
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20:31:43 | Reemo | I think i did a mispurchase... |
20:31:46 | Reemo | Damn. |
20:31:52 | Reemo | Got a used X5 for... 250€ |
20:31:56 | Reemo | (60gb tough) |
20:32:09 | Reemo | but now i see the ipod video is fully supported... |
20:32:20 | Reemo | I hate to say it, but an iPod has even more style with Rockbox on it |
20:32:28 | SxSBruce | where can i get Rockboxdev.sh? |
20:32:46 | domonoky | SxSBruce: its in rockboxs source (under tools) |
20:33:57 | SxSBruce | i know its in that! i mean where can i find the rockbox source? |
20:34:20 | Reemo | get it from the 'Download' Page ;) |
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20:34:37 | * | gevaerts wonders why SxSBruce didn't ask that then |
20:34:38 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN |
20:34:42 | domonoky | or even better use svn (see wiki) |
20:35:34 | SxSBruce | alright,let me see.... |
20:38:22 | GodEater_ | Bagder: any more thoughts on this git mirror of the rb source ? |
20:38:54 | Bagder | I've tried to outsource that ;-) |
20:39:02 | Bagder | the thinking bits I mean |
20:39:12 | Bagder | I can very well make the server provide it |
20:40:20 | GodEater_ | which thinking bits still need consideration ? |
20:40:36 | Bagder | mostly how to do it, what commands to run etc |
20:40:50 | Bagder | I'm pretty clueless when it comes to git |
20:41:01 | GodEater_ | most of the thinking is already done by Nico, and documented on the wiki page we put together for git last year |
20:41:07 | GodEater_ | which would get you an up to date git tree |
20:41:20 | GodEater_ | the only bit we're missing is the svn post commit hook to run "git-svn rebase" |
20:42:01 | Llorean | Bagder: Nico_P said it's more or less trivial to do it. |
20:42:10 | GodEater_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GitVersionControl |
20:43:00 | GodEater_ | Bagder: the key bit to get it started is the bit under "The Public Git Repository" right at the bottom of that page |
20:43:13 | GodEater_ | run those commands, and we have a complete git history of the project |
20:43:24 | GodEater_ | and then it's just the svn post commit hook that's needed |
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20:45:25 | * | GodEater_ wonders if this is enough thinking for Bagder, or if it requires more |
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20:49:20 | Bagder | well, there are a few missing details there |
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20:49:31 | Bagder | like how do people then access the repo on the site that has it? |
20:49:57 | GodEater_ | beg pardon ? |
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20:50:26 | GodEater_ | you mean the repo.or.cz repo ? |
20:50:43 | GodEater_ | they don't ever access that - it's just a handy place for you to clone the repo from to get started |
20:51:05 | GodEater_ | you could get it straight from the svn repo - but it would take much longer |
20:52:08 | Bagder | right, but then we need something on our server to respond to the git:// protocol, won't we? |
20:52:19 | GodEater_ | ah right I see |
20:52:20 | GodEater_ | sorry |
20:52:26 | GodEater_ | yes - you're right - that's missing |
20:52:33 | * | GodEater_ will do this bit of thinking for Bagder |
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20:56:20 | GodEater_ | I missed the bit which said whether or not this git mirror will allow commits or not |
20:56:29 | GodEater_ | is that the plan, or is it going to be read only ? |
20:56:31 | * | wpyh wonders who the "Me" is in "Me personally, I start to see git as a very useful change..." |
20:56:54 | GodEater_ | wpyh: that would be me, I wrote most of the initial page |
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20:57:03 | Bagder | commit is done locally... |
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20:57:08 | Bagder | with git |
20:57:33 | GodEater_ | I mean, will you be allowing people who use this git repo to commit directly to it, and then from there into the svn repo ? |
20:57:57 | GodEater_ | or will this git tree just be an alternative way for people to download there copy of the source tree |
20:58:06 | GodEater_ | i.e. no commiters should use it |
20:58:08 | Bagder | I don't know |
20:58:13 | Llorean | When I talked with Nico_P he said it's really trivial to keep commits as SVN-only |
20:58:20 | Llorean | Since you can just rebase your changes |
20:58:33 | wpyh | GodEater: maybe you can update the page to reflect that? so that people know who to ask if they have questions about git |
20:58:44 | GodEater_ | wpyh: my name is in the history... |
20:58:47 | Llorean | But that using Git for commits as well would rather complicate things. |
20:58:56 | GodEater_ | Llorean: right - it would |
20:58:58 | Bagder | yes, I would guess so as well |
20:59:07 | wpyh | GodEater: that's not straightforward... |
20:59:10 | GodEater_ | that makes doing this bit of thinking quite easy |
20:59:17 | GodEater_ | wpyh: I don't really care :) |
20:59:35 | GodEater_ | I'm hardly the "go to guy" for git questions - there are better places to get information on it |
20:59:41 | Llorean | It makes sense to keep it one-way, just because the added cost to Git users is apparently (I've been told) quite small, while keeping the server end much less complicated. |
20:59:45 | wpyh | ok... |
20:59:49 | GodEater_ | Bagder: all we need on the server then is git-daemon |
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21:02:09 | * | GodEater_ assumes svn.rockbox.org runs debian ? |
21:02:27 | Zagor | yup |
21:02:38 | Bagder | git.rockbox.org ? ;-) |
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21:05:35 | Bagder | eep |
21:05:38 | Bagder | instruction failed |
21:05:40 | GodEater_ | is there a git-daemon-run package for debian ? |
21:05:46 | Bagder | yes |
21:05:54 | * | GodEater_ is working off the same package in ubuntu |
21:05:58 | GodEater_ | which ironically is broken! |
21:06:03 | Bagder | "git svn init svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk" is not working |
21:06:17 | GodEater_ | you didn't install git-svn ? |
21:06:25 | GodEater_ | (seperate package to git proper) |
21:06:34 | Bagder | oh |
21:07:07 | * | GodEater_ hopes this improves the situation |
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21:07:14 | Bagder | that made a difference ;-) |
21:07:49 | SxSBruce | is rockbox-community channel closed? |
21:08:08 | BigBambi | er, no |
21:08:18 | Bagder | SxSBruce: no, as open and lively as ever |
21:08:31 | SxSBruce | no? |
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21:17:55 | Cannoli | hiya |
21:17:58 | Cannoli | quick question |
21:18:05 | Cannoli | wht is the link to the major updates page? |
21:18:13 | gevaerts | wht ? |
21:18:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
21:18:26 | GodEater_ | I think he meant "wth" |
21:18:35 | Cannoli | thank you |
21:18:47 | * | gevaerts also doesn't get "wth" |
21:18:52 | gevaerts | oh... |
21:18:53 | * | Bagder git clones from svn.rockbox.org... |
21:18:55 | Cannoli | i couldnt find it on the website, probably cause i was searching major updates |
21:18:55 | GodEater_ | it's like wtf, only more polite |
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21:19:11 | gevaerts | where the heck ? |
21:19:13 | * | gevaerts hides |
21:19:19 | GodEater_ | pretty much :) |
21:19:49 | GodEater_ | Bagder: it's working already? :) |
21:19:59 | Bagder | uhm, maybe |
21:20:08 | GodEater_ | only maybe ? |
21:20:18 | Bagder | yeah, I need to test it a bit first |
21:20:21 | GodEater_ | ok |
21:20:23 | Cannoli | how does itunes save the lyrics for songs? |
21:20:24 | Bagder | it seems to work |
21:20:29 | Cannoli | are they in the tags of the mp3? |
21:20:39 | GodEater_ | what's the git url then ? |
21:20:43 | * | GodEater_ would like to test too |
21:21:04 | Bagder | hang on a sec first |
21:21:08 | GodEater_ | Cannoli: we have no idea, very few of us use iTunes, and the subject is pretty much off topic |
21:21:14 | Bagder | if it works for me, I'll add it to inetd properly first |
21:21:21 | GodEater_ | Bagder: ok |
21:21:39 | Cannoli | oh ok, sorryu |
21:21:41 | Cannoli | sorry* |
21:22:20 | GodEater_ | I don't think our own lyric reading plugin has been committed yet either |
21:22:30 | Cannoli | it has |
21:22:32 | GodEater_ | s/plugin/feature |
21:22:35 | GodEater_ | it has |
21:22:37 | GodEater_ | right |
21:22:37 | Cannoli | but its not god in my opinion |
21:22:41 | GodEater_ | I should read up more :) |
21:22:55 | Cannoli | it needs a .txt file or somehting which contains the lyrics |
21:22:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | Cannoli: A plugin is a god? :P |
21:23:03 | Cannoli | lmfao |
21:23:07 | Cannoli | good* |
21:23:07 | Cannoli | XD |
21:23:15 | GodEater_ | and you propose what instead then ? |
21:23:37 | Cannoli | well im fairly sure the mp3 tags can hold lyrics, so read from those |
21:23:45 | Cannoli | that way a seperate file isnt needed |
21:23:49 | GodEater_ | "fairly sure"? |
21:24:00 | * | gevaerts also is fairly sure |
21:24:07 | Cannoli | give me one second and i'll be a 100% sure |
21:24:13 | GodEater_ | and only in mp3s ? |
21:24:20 | GodEater_ | what about all the other formats we support ? |
21:24:29 | PaulJam | the iriver OF reads the lyrics from tags |
21:24:41 | gevaerts | id3v2 has a tag for lyrics. Maybe vorbiscomment as well |
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21:26:23 | GodEater_ | wouldn't we have to massively increase our tag buffer size to accomodate that though ? |
21:27:13 | gevaerts | Probably. But we need to do something anyway to make the database update not fail on some files |
21:27:16 | Cannoli | yes |
21:27:20 | Cannoli | id3v2 can hold lyrics |
21:27:44 | GodEater_ | gevaerts: is that what the problem is then ? |
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21:28:20 | gevaerts | GodEater_: "fail", not "crash". I have some files that it just mis-parses. Removing the embedded AA fixes that |
21:28:22 | Bagder | try "git pull git://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox" |
21:28:43 | PaulJam | GodEater_: couldn't that be stored in the audiobuffer (MoB) |
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21:29:19 | GodEater_ | Bagder: failed, not a valid git repo |
21:29:42 | * | GodEater_ uses clone instead ;) |
21:29:42 | gevaerts | Try git clone |
21:29:59 | Bagder | oh right clone it should be |
21:30:06 | Cannoli | so why is it that the ipod's original software doesnt lag when loading up tags? |
21:30:18 | GodEater_ | PaulJam: I guess it could, but I don't think any tags are stored there currently |
21:30:36 | GodEater_ | Cannoli: we don't really care about OFs |
21:30:42 | Cannoli | OFs? |
21:30:44 | Llorean | Cannoli: What do you mean "loading up tags"? |
21:30:51 | PaulJam | GodEater_: wasn't that the whole point of MoB? |
21:30:57 | GodEater_ | Bagder: clone is working beautifully |
21:31:08 | Llorean | The iPod's database is generated on the PC by iTunes, and there are no custom searches, making it drastically simplified compared to what Rockbox does. |
21:31:11 | GodEater_ | PaulJam: possibly |
21:31:20 | Cannoli | oh i see |
21:31:40 | * | gevaerts also appreciates the aesthetics of a running git clone |
21:31:44 | Cannoli | ~ Llorean ~ i mean when you select a song from your database, it takes a few seconds for it to start playing |
21:31:50 | Cannoli | or maybe im doing something wrong? |
21:31:50 | Cannoli | XD |
21:32:10 | Llorean | Cannoli: It shouldn't take any longer than the disk spinup if you insert a single song. |
21:32:45 | Cannoli | well i think mine lags on getting the "up next" song |
21:32:49 | Cannoli | song tags* |
21:33:06 | GodEater_ | Bagder: completed successfully |
21:33:21 | Llorean | Cannoli: So you mean music starts playing, but it takes a while for "up next" to fill in? |
21:33:37 | Bagder | GodEater: yeah, and then you can try "git pull" within the rockbox dir to fetch updates |
21:33:41 | PaulJam | Cannoli: do you have "Load To RAM" enable in the database settings? |
21:33:59 | Bagder | not that there are any |
21:34:00 | GodEater_ | Bagder: seems to work, although of course there are no updates to pull currently |
21:34:02 | Cannoli | no my music doesnt play until the "up next" is filled in |
21:34:06 | * | amiconn recently read an article about mercurial, and finally managed to understand at least some advantages of mirroring whole repositories |
21:34:16 | Cannoli | and when i laod it to ram, it lags soo much when playing .flac |
21:34:29 | Cannoli | so currently i have no database, instead im doing it from the files menu |
21:34:42 | Cannoli | i have a folder with all my music in it |
21:34:43 | GodEater_ | so the only magic we need now is the svn post-commit hook? or is that done too ? |
21:35:00 | amiconn | However, git still has the problem of being cumbersome on windows. I don't need Tortoise* style, but a command line version that works at decent speed at least |
21:35:14 | GodEater_ | and of course an official git.rockbox.org hostname :) |
21:35:21 | GodEater_ | amiconn: stick to svn then ? :) |
21:35:21 | Bagder | amiconn: there's lots of working going on there |
21:35:45 | Bagder | no post-commit stuff yet, I haven't figured out how that's done yet |
21:35:47 | gevaerts | Cannoli: is that on ipod ? Do you use things like EQ or bass boost ? |
21:36:05 | Bagder | hm that mail must be sent with it... |
21:36:14 | Cannoli | it is a 80 gb 5.5g ipod video and no |
21:37:11 | GodEater_ | Bagder: yep - was just going to say that |
21:37:31 | gevaerts | Can you try checking the filesystem ? Slightly corrupted filesystems have been known to cause all sorts of problems |
21:37:33 | Bagder | ok, added now |
21:37:47 | GodEater_ | Bagder: excellent. Definitely award yourself a pat on the back and a beer or threee |
21:37:48 | Bagder | i even tried the command line as the correct user ;-) |
21:38:17 | Bagder | let's see how this works after a few commits before we announce it anywhere |
21:38:24 | GodEater_ | Bagder: good plan |
21:39:03 | * | GodEater_ is still pimping his bad ass bash prompt which advertises nice things when inside scm trees, like current branch / revision |
21:39:23 | * | gevaerts wants that |
21:40:28 | * | GodEater_ hopes gevaerts has a utf-8 prompt |
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22:00:07 | Bagder | the front page text links are now gone |
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22:00:47 | Bagder | since the will to pay like before vanished |
22:01:45 | kugel | Bagder: Are you planning to change to git |
22:01:54 | Bagder | nope |
22:02:14 | Bagder | but to provide a git mirror of the svn tree for those who like that |
22:02:29 | kugel | ah cool |
22:02:36 | GodEater_ | and for whom it's easier to use |
22:02:44 | GodEater_ | apparently Nico can't get svn to work from his new place |
22:02:47 | GodEater_ | but git works fine |
22:03:02 | Bagder | anything to please nico_p! |
22:03:11 | GodEater_ | hehe |
22:03:13 | kugel | :) |
22:03:16 | GodEater_ | he does fix nasty bugs :) |
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22:08:34 | Altoecko | Hello? |
22:09:33 | bluebrother | hello. |
22:09:39 | Altoecko | Hrrm, can anyone read this? |
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22:12:06 | GodEater_ | there's nothing like patience |
22:12:22 | PaulJam | dionoea: here? |
22:12:29 | Reemo | just a question (i dont know git) |
22:12:30 | dionoea | sure |
22:12:35 | Reemo | wheres the advantage of git compared to svn? |
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22:12:46 | PaulJam | you did the md5 plugin, right? |
22:12:51 | dionoea | yep |
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22:13:07 | Altoecko | Hello everyone. |
22:13:12 | Reemo | re |
22:13:12 | Reemo | :D |
22:13:25 | dionoea | Reemo: git is distributed so you have your own repo so you can commit locally and then push stuff to a central repo (if that's how your project works) |
22:13:29 | dionoea | git is more powerfull |
22:13:32 | GodEater_ | Reemo: did you read the page that was linked earlier |
22:13:33 | dionoea | svn is easier |
22:13:33 | GodEater_ | ? |
22:13:49 | dionoea | PaulJam: did you need some info? |
22:13:49 | Reemo | hmm |
22:13:57 | PaulJam | it would be good to have a button to quit the md5sum generation. if someone accidentally selects the plugin from the plugins menu it created md5 sums from all files and you can't interrupt it. |
22:14:04 | Altoecko | I've come in here looking for help with getting my iPod to respond to my iTrip now that I've put Rockbox on it, can someone help me with this problem? |
22:14:27 | Reemo | :D that would be awesome PaulJam, did that when just trying out some features :D |
22:14:44 | dionoea | PaulJam: ok. I'll add that. |
22:15:27 | PaulJam | i'm happy this happened to me in tha sim and not on target :) |
22:16:04 | dionoea | You can use the off button :p |
22:16:52 | Altoecko | So am I just being ignored or can no one read this? Just wondering. |
22:16:54 | pixelma | Altoecko: you need to start into the Apple firmware for that, instructions how to should be in the manual |
22:16:59 | Altoecko | Ah there we go, thank you. :D |
22:17:05 | Altoecko | Okay, thanks. |
22:17:08 | pixelma | and please be a bit patient |
22:17:18 | Altoecko | Sorry, I will be. |
22:17:33 | gevaerts | Altoecko: usually if nobody answers it means that people either haven't read the question yet or don't know |
22:17:52 | bluebrother | Bagder: if you're still working on the svn server, how about adding a diffstat output to the notification mails? |
22:17:56 | Altoecko | I figured as much, I just recently installed this IRC client and didn't know if it was working properly, that's all. |
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22:22:34 | Altoecko | Well thank you for your help. |
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22:35:59 | moos | dionoea: that happened to me on the target, and yes the off button was the only way :) |
22:37:08 | dionoea | what's so attractive about "md5sum" that you guys want to try it? :) |
22:37:25 | moos | curiosity? ;P |
22:38:03 | Llorean | Wouldn't md5sum be more suited as a viewer? |
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22:38:41 | gevaerts | It's right next to "lamp", and you don't see too well when you want that ? |
22:38:48 | PaulJam | it is a viewer too (via "open with...") |
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22:38:55 | Llorean | PaulJam: I meant only as a viewer. |
22:39:02 | Llorean | As in, not in one of the other three categories. |
22:39:18 | Zagor | what good is md5sum on its' own? |
22:39:22 | PaulJam | still a quit button would be good |
22:39:55 | Bagder | bluebrother: a good idea, but that commit mailing script is a bit scary to modify |
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22:41:51 | bluebrother | Bagder: ok. Maybe you'll get around some time ... |
22:42:16 | Bagder | yeah, I'll just have to get it locally and experiment a little |
22:43:06 | * | bluebrother likes the new preview in the wiki |
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22:44:12 | Zagor | bluebrother: thanks, I finally found the problem: faulty templates shipped with twiki! |
22:45:05 | gevaerts | You mean you really need to do this .a release? |
22:46:00 | * | gevaerts suspects that he is confusing twiki and flyspray |
22:46:20 | Zagor | gevaerts: aha. you confused me mightily :) |
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22:46:39 | gevaerts | I only confused twiki and flyspray, not you ! |
22:47:21 | Zagor | :-) yeah flyspray is next on the todo list. |
22:47:37 | gevaerts | Have fun with it :) |
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23:44:41 | austriancoder | Hi all.. i have a question about the used samplerate in audiodrivers... at the moment 44100 is used as default. There exists some apis, like audiohw_set_frequency to change them (= set default value). I want to remove this api call as setting default frequency can be done in init of audiodrivers. What do you think? |
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23:51:17 | preglow | austriancoder: hmm |
23:51:25 | preglow | austriancoder: so we'll have to reinit the audio driver each time we want to set the sample ratE? |
23:51:34 | preglow | that might not be very desirable |
23:51:42 | austriancoder | preglow: at the moment we set it only once |
23:51:48 | preglow | austriancoder: at the moment, yeah |
23:52:00 | preglow | austriancoder: but we want to change it when it makes sense in the future |
23:52:09 | preglow | like when a new track comes that uses a different sample rate |
23:52:30 | preglow | a full reinit might be a bit costly (time-wise) for some drivers, i think |
23:52:55 | austriancoder | okay... so I will come up with a general api method for it |
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23:53:25 | preglow | playback/dsp needs some work before that can happen, but at least we want the audio driver side of it to make it possible |
23:55:16 | austriancoder | void audiohw_set_sample_rate(enum Samplerates) |
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23:57:16 | unpaidbill | is ipod nano 3rd gen supported? |
23:57:23 | preglow | unpaidbill: no |
23:57:31 | preglow | only first gen |
23:57:34 | unpaidbill | damn |
23:57:40 | unpaidbill | i hate apple. |
23:57:44 | unpaidbill | thanks for the reply |
23:57:44 | pixelma | as the front page states |
23:57:45 | preglow | you should :) |
23:57:49 | unpaidbill | yeah i looked at the front page |
23:57:52 | unpaidbill | ijust hoped it was wrong |
23:58:07 | Strogg | Woot! got rockbox to build. |
23:58:09 | * | Strogg dances |
23:58:26 | preglow | austriancoder: i wonder how it makes sense to implement that. the argument could either be an index into a table of supported rates, or it could take frequency as a parameter, and return the actual sample rate set |