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#rockbox log for 2008-07-02

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00:02:13pixelmaPaulJam: doesn't sound that bad, the voice synthesis can be "told" how to pronounce it correctly but would probably need to be adapted
00:02:59pixelmawith the help of a script that would need to be adapted...
00:05:18PaulJamok, didn't know that, thanks.
00:05:49Guest60655can anyone tell me how to connect a SANE backend to GIMP frontend?
00:05:51preglowit vomits on crtstuff.c
00:06:05gevaertsGuest60655: maybe, but certainly not here
00:06:16pixelmaPaulJam: but I'll keep your suggestion in mind
00:06:58preglowseems to be a ton of asm and asm directives it doesn't understand
00:09:24LloreanBagder: Numbering scheme for releases: 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 ... 3.9, 3.10, or 3.01, 3.02 etc? Specifically, "how do we want to avoid giving major version numbers out for minor releases"?
00:09:42bluebrothergevaerts: we need Rockbox behaving as USB scanner! ;-)
00:09:55pixelmaLlorean: ask the flyspray guys? :D
00:10:21bluebrotherLlorean: 3.0, 3.1, and if a micro release is needed 3.0 -> 3.0.1 etc
00:10:25BagderLlorean: I'm a fan of 3.0 for the release, and 3.1 for the next "big" three months after. And if we patch the 3.0 with a bugfix release we do a 3.0.1
00:10:36LloreanWhat I mean, though is this
00:10:40*bluebrother smiles
00:10:47LloreanIn 2.5 years, if we don't have the makings of a 4.0, what do we do after 3.9?
00:11:18bluebrotheryou think we'll approach 3.9 by that time?
00:11:20LloreanThat's what I needed. :)
00:11:26Lloreanbluebrother: If we release every 3 months, we will.
00:11:45*Bagder works on libcurl 7.18.2 ...
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00:12:14bluebrothertrue. But I could imagine that 3 months sometimes will be 4 or so. And a 3 month release could also turn out to "just" be a micro release
00:12:15gevaertsWhat? You need to work on rockbox!
00:12:34pregloware we going for a three month schedule?
00:12:36bluebrotherhe did the last weekend. Now waiting for next year *g*
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00:12:56Bagderpreglow: not strictly perhaps, but both me and Llorean would like something like that
00:12:56gevaertspreglow: that was the proposed timeframe-goal
00:13:07Lloreanbluebrother: I'm just saying, hypothetically 4 may not happen any time soon. It should be reserved for something significant, like a new GUI using buttons or some other crazy thing.
00:13:18Lloreanpreglow: It's our current target.
00:13:20bluebrotherLlorean: point taken.
00:13:35preglowwell, will be fun to see if it works out
00:13:35LloreanI'd love it if we hit 4.0 before we end up at 3.9. :)
00:13:50gevaertsLlorean: That will confuse users
00:13:56Guest60655gevaerts: kan je wel een tip geven die naar de oplossing leidt?
00:14:03Bagderpreglow: yeah, it does feel a bit strange considering going from three years to three months
00:14:26bluebrotherGuest60655: I don't understand a word
00:14:33shotofaddsgevaerts: yeah, the NAND driver is somewhat "flaky" still - I haven't worked on it much lately. The best way to fool it into working is to copy the files you want (eg. unzip, copy a couple of albums) and then copy some more large files that you don't care about.
00:14:35Bagderor is it five years? ;-)
00:14:38*gevaerts points Guest60655 to the topic
00:14:47*Llorean has updated
00:14:58preglowBagder: any idea on how we'll do releases? just do them as we have them, or set up goals for each one?
00:15:08shotofaddsalso ensure you're using a recent-ish bootloader. there was a change a few weeks ago (forgot the revision, sorry) which seems to make mine a little more reliable
00:15:24Bagderpreglow: time-based basically, so we release what works at a given date
00:15:28gevaertsshotofadds: ok. If you know the status that's fine :) I just wasn't sure if you were aware of the difference in reliability between different capacity players
00:15:31Lloreanpreglow: We determine release-critical bugs, focus on seeing that those get fixed, then declare a freeze, fix what we can, document what we can't, and put it out.
00:15:41shotofaddsgevaerts: oh no, it's not reliable here either :)
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00:16:01preglowsounds good
00:16:08preglowstill looking forward to seeing how it'll work out, though :)
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00:16:24gevaertsshotofadds: not _reliable_ maybe, but from what I understood it's probably better than on mine at least :)
00:16:25Bagderit'll certainly be a worthy challenge
00:16:43Lloreanpreglow: Well, the worst case is that 3.0 _still_ doesn't come out, so it's not too bad. :)
00:16:45preglowwhat to do if we end up with bugs depending on someone who has no time for fixing, though? skip release for three months, or just wait until a release can happen?
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00:17:01shotofaddswell, "reliable" is open to interpretation. it's pretty bad, but I've jsut got used to it...
00:17:02Bagderpreglow: ... yes ;-)
00:17:22Lloreanpreglow: Roll back to before the bug was introduced, and branch from there?
00:17:36preglowi guess we'll leave that decision up to each time it happens
00:18:35gevaertsWe have a release coordinator just for that
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00:21:10preglowi think we should just put "steering commitee will fight each other to decide" on that one
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00:21:58gevaertsI would expect the steering committee to choose "someone else", so they won't need to fight :)
00:23:21bluebrothersomeone fix the bugs :)
00:23:35bluebrotherbut time for sleep now. cu guys.
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00:23:45*gevaerts thinks that people who are busy setting "Version due" on bug reports are ideal candidates for the release coordinator job
00:23:55rasherBagder: do you think it'd be useful to "go public" with the vmware buildserver VM I've created? It built a video build in 200 seconds on my laptop, which should be "fast enough to be helpful"
00:25:12*Bagder takes off for massive amounts of sleep
00:25:33preglowsee you in a couple of days
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00:28:53preglowwell, these error messages didn't get me any closer to solving anything
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00:29:42Lloreangevaerts: I'm only setting them so it's easy to search through them when writing the "Known Issues" file. :-P
00:30:27gevaertsLlorean: You mean you're planning to write the "Known Issues" file? Another release coordinator task!
00:31:51*Llorean hides.
00:32:03*preglow coordinates a cup of tea
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00:43:02ZincAlloyspeaking of realease coordinator tasks: have you decided on a code name?
00:43:51rasherBarking Badger?
00:44:38ZincAlloyoh, a brick free codename?
00:46:32LloreanWell when someone comes up with one, add it to the page. :-P
00:47:13gevaertsBut remember, adding one means showing interest in working on the release :)
00:48:10*Llorean just wants someone else to edit the page so his name isn't the most obvious one on it.
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00:57:11ToHellWithGAhow does one add themes using the Rockbox Utility?
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00:57:28ToHellWithGAi'm used to doing everything manually and thought i'd give the utility a spin
00:57:36LloreanToHellWithGA: Where are you getting stuck?
00:58:03ToHellWithGAit pops up a progress window with "the following error occurred:\nNo themes found."
00:58:10dionoeaipod video ?
00:58:15ToHellWithGAdo i need to download them manually and put them in a certain area
00:58:28ToHellWithGAdionoea: yes, ipod video 30GB, 5.5G i suppose
00:58:43ToHellWithGAi've been having a lot of barfs on the ipod lately in rockbox that inspired me to reinstall
00:58:52LloreaniPod Video themes are disabled at the current site for bandwidth reasons.
00:58:55dionoeaipod video theme downloads were disabled a few months ago due to bandwidth issues on the server
00:58:56ToHellWithGA"codec not found" and the like, when a few minutes later codecs will be found
00:59:08ToHellWithGAoh, boo that
00:59:15ToHellWithGAso i will install my themes manually
00:59:16dionoea(and I offered mirroring help to offload it)
00:59:26ToHellWithGAis that codec problem known and/or common?
00:59:45ToHellWithGAright after booting it complains about missing files in .rockbox and missing codecs
00:59:55ToHellWithGAyet the files work in a matter of minutes after playing something else
01:00:03LloreanAre you using an up to date build?
01:00:18ToHellWithGAit was current as of...
01:00:26ToHellWithGAnot yesterday but the monday before
01:00:37ToHellWithGAupdated right before a road trip for work, trial by fire :)
01:00:41LloreanHave you checked your disk for errors?
01:00:54ToHellWithGAi have not, do ipod disks error often?
01:00:56LloreanNobody else has reported this, so the most likely guess is a hardware issue.
01:01:06stripwaxor an incorrect/incomplete installation
01:01:12LloreanWe do have an awful lot of 5G users for something that sounds this common to slip through the cracks.
01:01:19ToHellWithGAthat would be a shame, the thing is new as of this past august
01:01:20Lloreanstripwax: Well, if it errors on the file, then works on it later, the file's there.
01:01:30stripwax"missing files in .rockbox" suggests incomplete installation though
01:01:38LloreanOr that it just can't find the files the first time.
01:01:40gevaertsOr "just" a corrupted filesystem
01:01:42stripwaxbut I take your point :)
01:01:47ToHellWithGAi'll see if it keeps doing this after the install via the Utility
01:02:08gevaertsToHellWithGA: if it does, try checking the filesystem.
01:02:54ToHellWithGAcan that be done in a windows terminal?
01:03:10ToHellWithGAi'm not familiar with fsck in linux and heard it can hose mounted disks
01:03:25*gevaerts refers to others for exact syntax
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01:04:29ToHellWithGAi guess while i'm at it i can defraggle the ipod
01:04:44ToHellWithGAprobably a lot of strain on USB but worth a performance gain while using battery
01:05:12gevaertsMaybe. It certainly won't harm it
01:06:04ToHellWithGAchkdsk /f x:
01:06:08ToHellWithGAwhere x is the drive letter
01:06:31ToHellWithGAthanks for the help so far y'all, i'll be back with better descriptions of my barf errors if they keep happening
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02:08:11eternautaHello, I would like to know if someone is working on a new port for the Titan player?
02:10:18markunI haven't heard of them
02:10:34eternautathey are based on sigmatel 35xx
02:11:02markunmaybe you could collect some information and port it in the wiki
02:11:16r4v5So with the 23 june patch on FS #8663, i didn't get any errors copying over a gigabyte from sansa to computer.
02:11:27eternautayes I did, PhilipsGoGear3100Port uses it
02:11:30r4v5Now to do it again and again from different angles and the msd and again!
02:11:57eternautabut that port I am afraid doesnt work properly, I think it is slightly different this player
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02:12:15markuneternauta: I'm really sorry but I have to go to sleep
02:12:19markuntake care
02:16:46eternautahas anyone else heard about it?
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02:18:38GlorfindelLet me see if I understand this correctly: using multiple fonts in a WPS is not available without a modified version of Rockbox, right?
02:19:15krazykiteternauta, there is no GPL compiler for sigmatel chips, so a rockbox port is impossible
02:31:03Lloreankrazykit: The compiler doesn't need to be GPL, just freely available
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02:36:08eternautayes... but still no compiler and as I ve read I wont spend $12.000 on it. Moreover when the player has "onboard" battery and is meant to "die"
02:36:55zealmost all players are like that, hasn't stopped anybody from replacing the battery when they need to
02:37:09eternautareally? I didnt know that
02:37:20eternautasomeone in the forum said that as Freescale bought sigmatel, they may release one
02:37:25eternautacompiler I mean
02:37:58zei think if the battery can't last through warranty companies'll typically replace it... if it does, then there's no warranty left to void when you open it up and do it yourself :p
02:38:38eternautado you know where can I find more info about doing that?
02:39:36zeits somewhat device specific, check any forums related to the player in question (esp with any 'hacking' or 'modding' forums/threads)
02:40:00zeif it hasn't been out long enough for people to need battery replacement, you might not find much without pioneering yourself
02:40:28zeat the very least, someone'll usually disassemble and post guts shots which can be informative
02:40:32eternautathe thing is that the player is not popular, so...
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02:42:02eternautawell I guess I'll sell my player and buy one with a port already made
02:42:15eternautathanks for your time and answers
02:42:46zenp, goodluck
02:45:17GlorfindelYes, Glorfindel, thats correct. Why thank you Glorfindel, you saved me an hour of playing around with scripting.
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02:52:38LloreanAnd the feature request spam begins.
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03:37:18JdGordon_Llorean: morning... I see more tracker clean up was talked about vernight...
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03:37:39LloreanReferring to anything specific?
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03:38:15JdGordonI'm thinking we should mark every bug as either 3.0 or 3.1, and setup a wiki page to say "these are the bugs which i couldnt reproduce and someone with the actual taget needs to test"
03:38:50LloreanI think we should mark them as either 3.0 or leave them unmarked.
03:39:08LloreanBut yes, there should be a place to list 3.0 bugs that need on-target testing.
03:39:09JdGordonwell, marking as 3.1 would mean somone has already looked at it
03:39:15LloreanAh, good point.
03:39:19LloreanMaybe we need a "Future" release
03:39:24LloreanRather than 3.1
03:39:39LloreanBut yeah, it makes sense to be able to mark them as seen.
03:39:46JdGordonalso, we should make a point to make sure people actually check if the bug is still there, rather than just looking at comments
03:40:18LloreanWell, that's what the "Confirmed" field is for.
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03:45:18JdGordonI wonder if it would be silly to try and get down to <100 open bugs (or bugs without bandaind fixes) in the release
03:46:28LloreanI think bandaid fixes are really fine, as long as they aren't likely to have side-effects.
03:46:54LloreanBut I don't think we can reasonably set a target number. We can set a goal, but we can't let it stop us if we don't hit it, or we'll never release, like last time
03:48:56LloreanBut I'd suggest that any bugs we can't reproduce, we ignore so long as there are reproduceable ones we can fix. To me, at least, if you can reproduce it, it's more likely a user will encounter it.
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03:49:52JdGordonI think if they cant be reproduced by at least someone with the reported tagrter (if its target specifc) it should jjut be closed
03:50:39LloreanWell, some bugs are hard to reproduce (like the Nano glitch)
03:51:00LloreanLike, the ATA -11 error we just fixed, not all Nanos experienced it, and we only have a few devs with Nanos.
03:51:13JdGordonhmm, ok, fair enough
03:51:35LloreanBut if we can't reproduce it, we worry about it later and focus on ones we, as devs, can actually do testing on.
03:51:49LloreanPutting up a test patch that may not even get a response from a user before the freeze ends just isn't efficient.
03:52:18JdGordonis anyone totally against branching and putting bandaid fixes in there?
03:52:28LloreanNot that I've heard.
03:52:45LloreanIf there's an argument about it, though, we'll have a steering board in time to make the decision.
04:03:06MarcGuayAny thoughts on merging WebHome with the docsindex? Seems a bit strange to have two focal-points...\
04:05:05LloreanI'd have to agree that two focal points is kinda bad, though I haven't really looked at them myself so I don't know much about merging suitability.
04:06:11LloreanMarcGuay: Did you watch the DevCon tapes? I don't know if it was during the discussion, but we talked about having a "documentation cleanup week" some point soon with a focus on improving the wiki, moving things from the wiki to the manual, and cleaning up and polishing the manual. Since you've contributed to both, it would be nice if you could think some on what you think needs the most focus, etc.
04:07:30JdGordonI think the wiki should be development info only and the manual user guides only... so moveing the CustomWPS, all plugin pages, etc into the manual only
04:07:39JdGordonalthugh, that will make the manual more huge
04:08:02LloreanJdGordon: I think the manual should be "getting Rockbox on the player, and stuff you do on the player" only
04:08:28LloreanSo CustomWPS, and video converting can be elsewhere
04:08:40LloreanThough ideally CustomWPS could be replaced with another feature for RBUtil
04:09:04MarcGuayThe advantage of the wiki is that it's very easy to edit.. Very useful for target-independdent info... i think the WPS syntax is out of place in the manual.
04:09:34LloreanI think, honestly, the balance is *almost* right
04:09:46LloreanBut a lot of the plugin pages in the wiki are redundant, and such.
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04:10:05MarcGuayLlorean: I agree. Polishing is all that's really needed.
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04:10:28LloreanBut there's probably a lot of info in the wiki that hasn't made it to the manual yet.
04:10:38MarcGuayLlorean: And for sure, redundancy is rampant and something I've been trying to minimize in the wiki.
04:11:24MarcGuayIt's hard to say sometimes where it belongs... Things that can change, even infrequently, are better suited to the wiki.
04:11:30LloreanI'd kinda like to get rid of the plugin pages, but maybe create a "VideoConversion" page with more explicitly tuned instructions instead of a billion sets of confusing instructions.
04:12:18*MarcGuay starts a new ToDo list.... :)
04:12:33LloreanNot enough of those around. ;)
04:12:50LloreanBut a Documentation Cleanup ToDo would be nice, to help with organizing things once it starts
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04:48:28MarcGuayWas it decided that a proper themes site is required before a 3.0 release?
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04:49:28LloreanWe want one, but won't let it stop a 3.0 release
04:49:52LloreanInstead we'll put up a static themes site, if necessary. No automated uploads, but a sampling (whatever we can make available of working themes)
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05:30:04MarcGuayIf I were to start a new thread to solicit suggestions for and act as an organization point for docs cleanup week, would it be better suited to the accouncements or general forum?
05:30:30MarcGuayOr maybe the wiki would be better for the organization...
05:30:34JdGordongeneral probably
05:30:44JdGordondiscussion belongs in the forum
05:30:50LloreanGeneral works.
05:31:16LloreanI'd also recommend a post to the user mailing list. It's a rather disorganized place, but it might call attention to it to some people who don't regular the forums.
05:31:48LloreanA wiki page might be useful for tracking what needs to be done, what has been done, and setting down guidelines.
05:31:53LloreanBut chatter should stay in chatter channels
05:32:58MarcGuayTrue. It would be nice if one medium covered all the bases.. Anyway, off to sleep, ponder more tomorrow... See you gents..
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05:37:40wpyhI've completed a series of tests on ipod 5.5g with the OF using 320kbps, 256kbps, 192kbps and 128 kbps mp3
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05:38:13LloreanTests for what?
05:38:23wpyhnext I need to test RB
05:38:30wpyhuh, runtime tests
05:39:01wpyhthey are on the IpodRuntime page
05:42:09wpyhon the topic of ipod runtime: they generally follow a pattern
05:42:30wpyhhigher bitrate codecs use more battery power, which is already known
05:42:50wpyhand the OF seems to read from the disk from time to time
05:42:58wpyhwhich should be a bit similar to what RB does
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06:01:30wpyhin general, is it ok to rename other people's attachments?
06:01:47LloreanWhy do you need to?
06:01:54LloreanGenerally speaking, it doesn't make sense to.
06:02:17wpyhI'm editing CFModGuide, and I see that the identify info attachments can use some cleanup
06:02:29wpyhfor starters, we can tidify the names
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06:03:51LloreanIt seems a waste of work to me.
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06:04:39wpyhthe thing is, is it offensive to the original uploader
06:04:53*wpyh wastes time all day anyway
06:05:22LloreanIt would depend on their own opinions on the matter.
06:05:28LloreanIf they thought their name is good, it might very well be.
06:05:56wpyhwell, then I won't do that
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06:29:29maffeRockbox is so cool :D
06:30:31maffe what does the 10 % at Power handling mean?
06:30:50maffeIn other words: What is there to improve?
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06:48:02Lloreanmaffe: Proper charging control in Rockbox, for one.
06:51:44Dangalariov2 support :D
06:51:48Dangalariofor sansa
06:51:55Dangalariois another one
06:52:15Dangalarioremote control for sansa etc
06:52:43Dangalariotracker formats support since i do track songs :)
06:52:53maffeok I found but the only problem I see with charging is that the green/red LED doesn't work
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06:55:30SxSBruceread that before speak
06:57:01jameskeagiei had a quick question - does it take rockbox long to update the database? i read the manual and couldn't get an idea (5th gen ipod w/ video)
06:57:56JdGordondepends how many files you have
06:58:34jameskeagieokay - probably 20k or so on an 80 gig ipod
06:59:40jameskeagiei understand initalizing the db would take longer, but is there any way to auto update the database? or write to the db as i add songs?
06:59:55jameskeagieor do most of you use a file tree structure to manage your music?
07:02:03LloreanMost of us use a file tree structure
07:02:12Lloreanbut you'll notice in the manual a description of the auto-update feature
07:02:41LloreanInitializing can take a while, and depend on several factors, so it's really impossible for us to guess. You just have to wait it out the first time
07:03:10jameskeagieyeah i saw that - only if file structure caching is enabled it said - file tree is probably what i would go with then
07:04:04jameskeagieone other question: alot of th wps themes say they require other builds, but that was quite a while ago...have features like the album art, and album art resize/scrolling patches etc. been added to the standard build now?
07:04:22jameskeagiei tried the forums, but couldn't find any mention of recent builds other than the standard one
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07:06:40LloreanMany features have been incorporated
07:06:45LloreanIn fact the only major one not is Multifont
07:06:53LloreanBut any of those themes won't work anyway, since many other things have changed
07:07:34jameskeagieyeah i saw that on the forums
07:07:40jameskeagiewhat themes are you all using in the meantime?
07:08:20jameskeagiei found a few on the forums some had fixed, and read the standards but wasn't familiar enough to edit them
07:08:53LloreanI just use the default, or on certain players, a simple one I've hacked together on my own
07:09:47maffe I think I'll use that
07:09:58SxSBrucejust search the websit
07:11:31jameskeagieok - thanks for the info - wanted to talk to a few people running it before i installed it - got a brand new ipod and figured i'd start out w/ something nice haha
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07:15:16SxSBrucemaybe the most thing for me the ipod is rockbox then:-)
07:16:58maffeCan the audio be visualised?
07:17:14LloreanOnly in a limited fashion
07:17:23LloreanNobody who's interested in such a feature has gone on to actually work on it
07:18:30maffeAnd what can be done already?
07:19:11maffePeak meter maybe?
07:19:13LloreanThere's an oscilloscope and a VU Meter plugin.
07:19:25LloreanAnd there's a basic peak meter that can be displayed within the WPS itself.
07:20:36SxSBrucewhos actually working on M6 Rockbox besides markun?
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08:24:17*amiconn wonders what's wrong with his H340's battery :/
08:25:05*LinusN too
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08:25:53amiconnI charged it before devcon, and only used it like an hour or so, for gfx testing
08:26:04amiconnNow it tells me that the battery is almost empty
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08:26:24jameskeagiedoes anyone here use amarok?
08:26:28LinusNamiconn: well, i guess it's dead then
08:27:13GodEatersounds like the behaviour my H140 battery exhibited for a while. I had to replace it
08:27:35LinusNmy iaudio battery did that before i replaced it
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08:27:54LinusNjameskeagie: just so you don't fell ignore: no i don't use amarok
08:27:55*GodEater hopes LinusN laughs at the latest "London social meet" post...
08:28:04*GodEater does use Amarok
08:28:22LinusNGodEater: HAHAHA
08:28:46jameskeagiegodeater - how do you get your album artwork to rockbox?
08:28:59GodEaterjameskeagie: rsync
08:29:02jameskeagiei've looked at scripts - but they only convert the currently playing file?
08:29:12GodEaterconvert it to what ?
08:29:56jameskeagiedo you just have amarok save the album artwork into your album folder?
08:30:18*GodEater struggles to remember
08:30:21GodEaterI think so
08:30:32GodEaterare you using the Rockbox AA art script that's floating about for amarok ?
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08:30:36jameskeagiesome imbed the artwork, some extract it from the amarok db to sync etc (i've decided to get the most out of rockbox i can't use amarok to sync)
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08:30:59jameskeagiethat seems to be the best way, thanks for showing me rsync
08:31:07GodEaterno problem
08:31:22*GodEater doesn't really feel like he's answered any questions, but if it's lead you in the right direction - hey!
08:31:34macdaddy2201does the rockbox program run in leopard
08:31:50GodEatermacdaddy2201: which program? RockboxUtility you mean ?
08:32:02jameskeagieand does anyone know of any cool themes that are working on the current build? I couldn't find any flashy/simple ones w/ pretty shiny graphics to try out my new rockbox install :P
08:32:28*GodEater uses the Rockbox default theme (CabbieV2) these days
08:32:32jameskeagiei searched the forums for a minute, but gave up after i could only find two that were jus tokay
08:32:43GodEaterjameskeagie: you could always fix the ones you want working
08:32:53GodEaterthe fixes are fairly trivial if I understand correctly
08:33:05GodEateryou'd be helping the Rockbox project if you did...
08:33:13jameskeagiei read the standards...
08:33:29jameskeagiebut didn't see where the tags changed (somewhere i read which ones had changed, but now how etc.)
08:34:41GodEaterI think we have a couple of forum threads where JdGordon has said what the tags need to change to
08:35:26LinusNmacdaddy2201: i don't know if it works on leopard or not - why not try it?
08:35:47macdaddy2201i did but it crashes
08:35:56jameskeagieokay i'll look it up - and amarok doesn't have the option to safe album artwork in the directory of the file
08:35:59macdaddy2201so i guess not then
08:36:02jameskeagieit saves it all in a database
08:36:33GodEaterjameskeagie: there's a script which pulls it out of that for you
08:38:39GodEaterthat's a better version than the one I used originally - this one has been updated to automatically save the covers to your Rockbox device too - which means you won't need rsync
08:38:42jameskeagieya i saw that before
08:38:57jameskeagiedo you install that into amarok? i must have been missing some dependencies
08:41:16LinusNmacdaddy2201: any clues at all why it crashes?
08:41:36GodEaterjameskeagie: let's take this to #rockbox-community, as it's not strictly Rockbox related
08:42:15jameskeagiebe there in one minute
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08:43:43macdaddy2201umm it might have been writen for tiger
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08:44:06GodEatermacdaddy2201: it's not been written targetting *any* specific version of OSX
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08:49:12LinusNmacdaddy2201: it just crashes, without any error message whatsoever?
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08:52:21GodEaterthat would make debugging OSX apps impressively obscure
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08:53:29GodEatergood god, where on *earth* did I get this track from
08:53:41GodEaterit's a duet between T.a.T.u and Rammstein
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08:53:53LinusNGodEater: ouch
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08:56:09GodEaterit was....
08:56:14GodEaterit wasn't entirely crap :)
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08:58:05GodEatergood lord, it appears there's an entire *album* of them together
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09:00:22JdGordondoes look fishy to anyone else? It looks like it will only clear the first scrolling line in a viewport instead of every one when lcd_scroll_stop is called?
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09:03:27LinusNJdGordon: it certainly looks wrong
09:04:03LinusNshould probably be more like if(y >= 0) return:
09:04:21zeGodEater: that sounds kinda mad
09:04:33zein a potentially good way
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09:04:45zei'll have to look it up :p
09:05:09JdGordonLinusN: :) thats what I thought... also, I'd like to change that so it will stop scrolling lines in other viewports which are "under/overlapping" current_vp... objections?
09:05:37LinusNJdGordon: i don't have any objections, how often does that happen?
09:05:57LinusNi mean, how often is this function called?
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09:06:24JdGordoncurrently, not often, but if we start getting screens popping up above others it will cause problems
09:06:37JdGordonI mean, while every screen steals the entire display wwe are ok
09:07:49fiftysixerhey i've got a strange question
09:08:07fiftysixeranyone know if its possible for the ipod nano 1st gen to boot up a linux kernel?
09:08:23fiftysixer(or any *nix, really)
09:08:54LinusNfiftysixer: yes it is
09:09:18fiftysixerproblem is,
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09:09:38LinusNwow, is suspended...
09:09:47fiftysixerI assume I'd need to use ext or hfs or something, and I use winxp which won't be able to read that
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09:10:08fiftysixeranyone have experience with this? :p
09:10:52LinusNisn't there an #ipodlinux channel?
09:11:03JdGordonthose naughty hackers!
09:11:24fiftysixeroh there IS another chan :p
09:11:30fiftysixerthanks LinusN, i'll ask there
09:11:37LinusNfrom wikipedia: "On June 11, 2008 the organization's website was suspended and replaced with a redirect to a blank page. Project leaders announced in their IRC channel that they were moving to a new dedicated server on a new location."
09:13:01fiftysixerwell, they still got a sourceforge project page
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09:18:23fiftysixerwell #ipodlinux seems dead...and I assume I could just use the FAT filesystem...
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09:19:15maffeNow I have dualboot for my X5L :))
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09:21:06jameskeagiek well i had a ton of .m4a's that were ripped in itunes f/m my cd's
09:21:18jameskeagiethey play in amarok (which doesn't play DRM) but not in rockbox
09:21:41GodEaterright, so assuming they're not excessively long, I suspect they're not in "streamable" format
09:21:45GodEaterwhich means they need fixing
09:21:53*GodEater will now try to remember how to do that
09:22:27Nico_Pfoobar can
09:23:10jameskeagiei only had about a dozen cd's worth, so i may just say screw it lol
09:23:20GodEaterfoobar is windows though
09:23:23GodEaterour man here is using linux
09:23:34jameskeagiei've got virtual box :P
09:23:39*GodEater wouldn't say screw it to 12 entire CDs of music
09:23:57Nico_Pit runs under wine... but I think MP4box can do it too
09:24:07GodEaterjameskeagie: I think you need the mpeg4ip-utils package (assuming you're running ubuntu / debian)
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09:24:15GodEaterthat has the mp4creator program in it
09:24:17*JdGordon wonders why this bug hasnt been reported.....
09:24:19Nico_Pmaybe mpeg4ip too
09:24:19GodEaterwhich you can use to fix them
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09:24:26JdGordonI must be missing something..
09:24:30GodEaterNico_P: Lear claims it can
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09:24:39markunwe need a aacfix plugin
09:24:41GodEaterapparently you run "mp4creator -optimize" on them
09:24:42pixelmaJdGordon: which bug?
09:24:49GodEatermarkun: that would be a good plan
09:24:55Nico_PGodEater: yes, exactly! :)
09:24:56markunor is it a problem of the mp4 container?
09:25:00Nico_PI couldn't remember
09:25:06GodEateror a codec which doesn't need them in streamable format in the first place ?
09:25:19GodEatermarkun: I've no idea - you'd have to ask Lear
09:25:23GodEateror possibly linuxstb
09:25:23JdGordonpixelma: I'm almost sure there is a bug in the scroll engine where it would only stop one scrolling line...
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09:25:56JdGordonit either isnt a bug, or because of how scroll_Stop is called its being avoided...
09:26:12JdGordonbut stupid kate in kde4 is broken so i cant use find in files...
09:26:19*JdGordon liks his ...'s
09:26:35GodEaterJdGordon: wth is wrong with "grep" ? :)
09:26:46JdGordonI failed grep
09:27:01GodEaterepic fail ?
09:27:02JdGordonit searches all the binary files and patch files which isnt useful
09:27:23GodEaterfind . -name "*.c" -exec grep "thingy" ?
09:27:33JdGordon-name ..
09:27:42JdGordonARRR... i knew thats what i was missing
09:27:55JdGordonfind . *.c -exec grep -nr scroll_stop '{}' \;
09:28:02GodEaterit's not often I get to make you feel stupid. I may mark this down in the diary.
09:28:12jameskeagiejust man grep lol
09:28:19jameskeagiethats the command i use most often
09:28:21GodEaterit wasn't grep he failed on
09:28:24GodEaterit was the find command
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09:28:47GodEateryou'll need the "" marks too Jd
09:28:49pixelmaJdGordon: maybe that's the reason for FS #9140? I think I always see two lines scrolling but didn't think about it (if the title needs to scroll there's another one needing to scroll too)
09:28:54GodEateror else the shell will expand the *.c
09:29:18JdGordonpixelma: can you try a really quick patch?
09:29:31JdGordonalthough, I dont tinhk that will fix the issue because its different viewports
09:29:42JdGordonbut yes, thats why I found myself in the scroll code
09:29:49pixelmadepends on how quick I have to try...
09:30:04pixelmaah, ok. Almost thought so
09:31:48GodEateramiconn, could you take a look at this please :
09:31:52advcomp2019I had the M4A locking up the database but not the files
09:31:56LinusNJdGordon: an alternative: find . -name "*.c"|xargs grep scroll_stop
09:32:00GodEaterand if you can, fill them in on the right way to call dd for windows ?
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09:32:40JdGordoncheers LinusN
09:33:24JdGordonit seems only the quickscreen and WPS could be affected by this
09:33:26GodEaterxargs ftw
09:33:38jameskeagiewhen i initialize my database its finding 5 hundred or so files when i've only loaded a hundred or less
09:33:47JdGordonand both would be fully redrawn after exiting which is probaly why its gone unnoticed
09:34:22PaulJamjameskeagie: do you mean in the splash while initializing?
09:34:42jameskeagieand once i try to play any .m4a (unstreamable i guess) no other files will load
09:35:16PaulJamin the splash all files are counted, not only music files.
09:35:35jameskeagieoh ok
09:35:38jameskeagiethat explains it
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09:37:59GodEaterjameskeagie: the package you need is mpeg4ip-server btw for the mp4creator program to fix your m4a files
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09:39:02fiftysixeris rockbox based on a *nix kernel?
09:39:23advcomp2019fiftysixer, nope built from the ground up
09:39:27LinusNfiftysixer: no, it is written from scratch
09:39:34fiftysixerhah helpful chan :p
09:39:37*LinusN is too slow today
09:39:39*GodEater wonders why so many people ask that question
09:39:45LinusNme too
09:39:48jameskeagiecause they see podlinux
09:39:54GodEaterso ?
09:39:55fiftysixeri'm asking cause that makes it easier for me to mod it
09:40:03jameskeagieand people assume if its not windows, and its not mac, its must be unix?
09:40:04LinusNfiftysixer: is that so?
09:40:11fiftysixerbut ipodlinux seems dead so i'll give rockbox a try
09:40:29*GodEater never saw the point of ipodlinux =/
09:40:31LinusNfiftysixer: that depends on what your goal is
09:40:33fiftysixerLinusN, unless rockbox is easy to mod?
09:40:37markunfiftysixer: what would you like to mod?
09:40:45GodEaterand what do you mean by "mod" ?
09:40:50fiftysixerno real 'goal', i'm just one of those people that has to tweak every line of code...
09:40:56jameskeagieanyone know a linux command to add a line to your right click menu to open a terminal f/m the path of the window your in?
09:41:01fiftysixerbut i'd like to end up with a nice tiny little media center
09:41:07jameskeagieif not - i think i have my next project lol
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09:41:17GodEaterjameskeagie: that would depend entirely on what window manager you're running
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09:41:37GodEaterjameskeagie: and is once again off topic for this channel
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09:41:46LinusNfiftysixer: if you want media playback, i think you will be better off with rockbox
09:41:49GodEaternautilus is a file manager, not a window manager
09:41:58fiftysixerLinusN, yeah, i'm browsing the website right now
09:42:23markunjameskeagie: better to go to #rockbox-community I think
09:42:25LinusNfiftysixer: as i see it, ipodlinux is about running linux, not actually using the player :-/
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09:42:47fiftysixerLinusN, seems to me that ipodlinux is more of a base right now for more to come
09:43:00LinusNfiftysixer: don't hold your breath
09:43:24fiftysixersince someone could mod a pre-existing app to work, since it *is* supposedly the same kernel and codebase
09:43:29GodEaterthey've not done any significant kernel development for years now
09:43:37fiftysixeryeah i noticed that...
09:43:51GodEaterthe last change they did I think was to support the 80GB 5.5G
09:43:52markunGodEater: maybe they don't need to?
09:43:58GodEatermarkun: touche ;)
09:44:15fiftysixermarkun, there's ALWAYS coding to be done :p
09:44:52LinusNlet's just say that rockbox and ipodlinux don't share the same goal
09:44:53markunfiftysixer: but maybe they think the kernel is good enough and focus on applications
09:45:30fiftysixerok two random questions:
09:45:31markunanyway, I'll stop speculating about ipodlinux
09:45:44fiftysixer1. is there a divx codec with rockbox?
09:45:50LinusN1. no
09:46:07GodEatermpeg1 and 2 only for video playback currently
09:46:09fiftysixerand 2. is it easier to install this from a windows xp or CLI debian box? :p
09:46:12markunfiftysixer: there is an xvid patch in the tracker, but not really a video player
09:46:17GodEater2. doesn't make any difference
09:46:27fiftysixeralrighty goes
09:46:38GodEaterwe're platform agnostic :)
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09:47:46*jameskeagie is converting his few .m4a's to .mp3's.....
09:48:06GodEaterjameskeagie: wuss ;)
09:48:08jameskeagiei know
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09:48:35jameskeagieit was native in linux and fast f/m the command line lol
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09:48:59*GodEater would have thought the mp4creator tool would have been just as fast, and wouldn't have lost audio quality either
09:49:11jameskeagiei'm still keeping the originals
09:49:33GodEaterfind . -name "*.m4a" | xargs mp4creator -optimize
09:51:27JdGordon_linuxstb_: you round?
09:51:35*jameskeagie - sigh...
09:51:48jameskeagiealright where do i find mp4creator - its not in any of the repositories for hardy
09:53:06markunjameskeagie: I think it's part of mpeg4ip
09:53:23pixelmaJdGordon: doesn't fix the problem
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09:54:14markunjameskeagie: I just checked and it is. Can you find that in a repository?
09:54:16Dangalariohello i got a problem with rockbox utility
09:54:30advcomp2019Dangalario, what is it
09:54:30markunDangalario: what kind of problem?
09:54:49Dangalariodownload error recieved http error 204 with rockbox utility
09:54:49JdGordon_pixelma: ok, didnt think so :(
09:55:04Dangalariotrying to install to a sansa c250 V1
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09:56:04Dangalariotried to download pp5022.mi4
09:56:32Dangalarioany way to make the program think it's downloaded and save it manually somewhere?
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09:58:10PaulJamDangalario: alternatively you could try the manual install method using sansapatcher. instructions should be in the manual.
09:58:10markunDangalario: there should be a cache folder somewhere, but I don't know enough about the rockbox utility. I hope someone else can answer it.
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09:58:47Dangalariono chmod on this pc
09:59:02Dangalariothats why i try the installer
09:59:18manny530i had a question
09:59:38manny530does rockbox have anykind of sleep mode
09:59:44LinusNmanny530: no
09:59:44markunmanny530: no, not yet
09:59:56advcomp2019Dangalario, there is a windows sansapatcher the last i looked
10:00:16Dangalariowhere at?
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10:00:58Dangalarioahh nm i fixed the installer :D
10:00:58BigBambiDangalario: linked from the manual
10:01:05manny530oo cuz i hate having to turn it off and turn it back on and for some reason my battery dies a lot faster by having to turn it off and back on
10:01:23manny530is that normal
10:01:25DangalarioFinally!!!! rockbox again :D
10:01:30manny530or is it jus my ipod
10:01:51BigBambimanny530: It saves battery if it is off for more than a certain time...
10:02:02maffeWhat does "caption backlight" do?
10:02:05LinusNmanny530: could also be a sign of a dying battery
10:02:11GodEaterturns the backlight on when the track changes
10:02:15LinusNmaffe: it turns the backlight on at track chagnes
10:02:21maffeok thanks
10:02:30markunmanny530: and how old is your version of rockbox?
10:02:30BigBambimaffe: The fine manual is there....
10:02:40maffeI'm reading it
10:02:48Dangalariogot these 2 sansas really chep both c250 like $30 for both =)
10:02:49markunmaffe: turns on the backlight on track change
10:03:02BigBambimaffe: Is caption backlight not in it?
10:03:14pixelmamarkun: 3rd ;)
10:03:19manny530iits the newest ipod color/photo one that doesnt have the bug
10:03:21maffeLCD settings are not included at all
10:03:22markunpixelma: oops ;)
10:03:32markunand I thought LinusN was slow today..
10:03:42BigBambimanny530: And your version of Rockbox?
10:04:18*pixelma is pretty sure having seen "Caption Backlight" in the manual because it had to be disabled for the Ondios...
10:04:34LinusNmaffe: page 56
10:05:02markunmanny530: battery life should have been normal then
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10:05:32maffeWhere did I look at? :S
10:05:43LinusNmaffe: sorry, it could be a different page, i was looking in the sansa c200 manual
10:05:51manny530maybe its jus cuz i turn off and turn back on so often
10:05:58PaulJammanny530: on hard disk targets i think the battery precentage that is shown directly after bootup is much lower than usual, maybe it is that waht you're seeing?
10:06:10maffe there it's not mentioned
10:06:13BigBambimanny530: Real words please :)
10:06:23maffebut there:
10:06:48manny530but even after that it dies like 3%
10:06:52fiftysixer1. the autoinstaller == fail
10:06:58fiftysixer2. rockbox == pretty cool so far :p
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10:07:17markunmanny530: anyway, I think many people would like a sleep mode, but it hasn't been done so far
10:07:30pixelmamaffe: chapter 7 deals with the general settings in more detail
10:07:32*jameskeagie decided not to be so lazy and is now converting his m4a to NOT mp3 but ogg
10:07:45manny530do any of u know if a future release will have sleep mode
10:07:55BigBambimaffe: Personally I find the pdf version much easier - you can actually search it (and it looks nuicer) :)
10:07:59markunjameskeagie: so what about mp4creator?
10:08:05BigBambi10:04BigBambimanny530: Real words please
10:08:13LinusNit's on page 55 in the x5 pdf manual :-)
10:08:19BigBambimanny530: And if someone codes it, sure
10:08:28jameskeagiei installed mpeg4ip - couldnt' find mp4creator in there f/m the command line
10:08:31PaulJammanny530: no-one can predict the future
10:08:52markunjameskeagie: really? how strange
10:08:52GodEaterjameskeagie: it's in mpeg4ip-server, I said a few pages of chat ago
10:08:57BigBambimanny530: I think, as Markun said, it is something people would welcome. However, it isn't an easy addition
10:09:02manny530okay thanks for the help
10:09:13jameskeagiefound a GUI in the repositories to convert any Gstream to ogg, flac, mp3, or some others
10:09:15markunGodEater: I also missed that, sorry
10:09:25jameskeagieits called soundconverter - may not be the fastest, but kinda cool
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10:09:39markunjameskeagie: there is a transcodophobia in this channel
10:09:42GodEaterjameskeagie: you're still losing audio quality though
10:10:15jameskeagieoh its in the server?
10:10:27jameskeagiehmm.....oh well ogg is good enough for my deaf ears
10:10:29*BigBambi still shudders at the guy in the forum trying to convince me that 48 kbps OGG produced from 192 kbps sounded good
10:10:49BigBambi*192 kbps MP3
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10:11:46markunSxSBruce: hi, you were asking about me?
10:12:05fiftysixerhey is there a 'shuffle songs' feature in rockbox?
10:12:28markunfiftysixer: multiple :)
10:12:32BigBambififtysixer: Yes, and the manual covers it
10:13:07PaulJami guess that depends how you define a 'shiffel songs' feature.
10:13:28PaulJam*'shuffle songs'
10:13:29BigBambiPaulJam: A feature that shuffles songs?
10:13:38fiftysixeroh i get it now
10:13:41fiftysixernice :)
10:14:22GodEaterfiftysixer: before you start asking to many more questions, I definitely recommend a read of the manual
10:14:39fiftysixerGodEater, yeah, i just found the manual, so i'm reading that now
10:14:39PaulJamBigBambi: well, rockbox has no iriver-style shuffle mode for example. so if you expect something like that you're out of luck
10:14:42pengoyou know every time you say "Refer to the Fine Manual" it means there's a usability issue.
10:14:46fiftysixerdidnt even realize there was one
10:15:08BigBambiPaulJam: What does that do (apart from not shuffle properly)?
10:15:13peturpengo: not really
10:15:19BigBambipengo: I disagree
10:15:38B4gderpengo: I disagree
10:15:39peturpengo: there are just too many features
10:15:44BigBambififtysixer: It is the "manual" link from every page of
10:15:54*fiftysixer slaps himself
10:16:01markunpengo: but it's harder to fix those than to refer people :)
10:16:10pengomarkun: yah :)
10:16:27PaulJamBigBambi: if it is enabled, it always shuffles throught all songs, even if you start playback from a the filetree (rockbox would only shuffle that folder)
10:16:33JdGordoncan someone double check this looks correct? it should return true if the scrolling line is in the "othervp", and by in I mean overlaps it at all...
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10:16:43*petur thinks rockbox usability is way better than h300 OF, for example
10:16:55*JdGordon back in 20
10:17:13pengopetur: i dunno what h300 is like, but it's on par with H-120, which isn't saying much really.
10:17:16BigBambipengo: We would like to hear your suggestions for improvement though - I'm not saying it couldn't be better, just that telling someone to check the manual to discover a function of what is complex software doesn't itself mean that there is a problem
10:17:34BigBambiPaulJam: OK, but Rockbox will do that too
10:18:05pengoBigBambi: it's a pretty good sign.. i could give a diatribe about how rockbox should layout its buttons and menus but it'd never happen
10:18:16peturpengo: just have the h120 for a few days, will check its OF
10:18:29BigBambipengo: Well, I think you are wrong, so lets just agree to disagree
10:18:52Dangalarioquestion what rockbox font(s) supports cyrillic input?
10:19:02BigBambipetur: s/since/for
10:19:20GodEaterpengo: why do you think that if you have a good suggestion for how we should layout our menus that it wouldn't happen ?
10:19:28GodEaterit's a project we wanted done for google summer of code
10:19:29*petur updates his english knowledge
10:19:35pixelmaDangalario: check the UnicodeFonts page in the wiki
10:19:35GodEaterbut we didn't get any good takers as I recall
10:19:56markunpixelma: and this time you are 2nd :)
10:20:09pixelmabetter than 3rd :P
10:20:32jameskeagiethanks for all the help guys, this is a smart and fun community, i'll definitely be back again
10:20:54pengoGodEater: because A) the buttons have never changed in rockbox before (in my years of usage), and B) because it'd be a major enough change on something people would be passionate about and it'd need a lot of discussion and pushing from someone who's less of an outsider than myself
10:21:01markunjameskeagie: there are a lot of people who think we are a bunch of unhelpful assholes
10:21:08markunso I'm happy to hear you say that
10:21:20pengoand C) i don't know anything about how many / what buttons are available on any other devices other than my own
10:21:29jameskeagiehaha those are probably people w/o the patience to try reading the manual first?
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10:21:34BigBambipengo: I would argue against button changes, menu changes I don't have a problem with
10:21:47pengoBigBambi: see :)
10:21:57GodEaterI wouldn't argue against them until I'd at least seen them
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10:22:11pengoBigBambi: see, it wouldn't happen
10:22:18BigBambiWell, OK - I'd certainly look
10:22:18GodEaterand I also disagree that the buttons have never changed, we've had quite a few changes over the last year or so on some targets
10:22:41BigBambiBut I can see that the menus could be improved, but I think the buttons are pretty good
10:22:45GodEaterso if you have a decent set of suggestions, *I* would really like to see them
10:22:47pengodo people still use iriver H1xx ?
10:22:51GodEaterI do
10:22:57pengocool. i thought it was just me
10:23:00BigBambiIt is the best player Rockbox runs on
10:23:02GodEaterit's my weapon of choice in the car
10:23:27BigBambiI use the gigabeat F and S more day-to-day as they are smaller, but the H100 does it all
10:23:34GodEaterso please, if you really do have suggestions - then submit them
10:23:47GodEaterit's an area we're sorely in need of work on from someone who has good ideas
10:24:15BigBambipengo: As people who say I think this is wrong and then don't say how they would improve will of course be ignored
10:24:48fiftysixerwell...i'm going to bed soon...but i'm pretty impressed :p
10:24:49pengowell the least disruptive thing thing i'd do is have the "change tempo" screen automatically quit back to the now-playing screen after 30 seconds
10:24:55fiftysixergreat software!
10:24:58LinusNfiftysixer: thanks :-)
10:25:01markunfiftysixer: even though it's not unix based :)
10:25:31*fiftysixer looks for source code ;)
10:25:43BigBambipengo: After 30 seconds of not touching it?
10:25:46fiftysixerugh...svn...alright :p
10:25:49pengoBigBambi: yup
10:25:56markunfiftysixer: this might be useful as well
10:25:59LinusNpengo: we gennerally try not to change screens after timeouts
10:26:13fiftysixermarkun, looks useful, thanks!
10:26:13pengoLinusN: yeah i noticed. it's annoying
10:26:24peturfiftysixer: there's also a tarball and webinterface to svn
10:26:26BigBambipengo: I think that would be annoying
10:26:28LinusNpengo: i'd say changing screens automatically is annoying :-)
10:26:33markunpengo: we have quite some blind users
10:26:39*BigBambi agrees with LinusN
10:26:52pengoLinusN: cause you go to hit pause/play and it doesn't work so you have to check the screen and see "oh i have to press stop first" and then pause.
10:26:55BigBambiAnd as Markun says, automatic screen changes for blind users is not a good plabn
10:27:02pengouh.. i'd be screwed if i was blind
10:27:13markunwell, I think you would get used to it
10:27:21pengocause i couldn't see that the screen is stuck in "change tempo"
10:27:23GodEateryes, we have a lot of happy blind "customers"
10:27:42markunsome of them even listen to source code with text-to-speech while programming. Insane.
10:27:45BigBambiI don't remember the keys on the pitch screen, so they could possibly be improved, but I wouldn't want timeouts
10:27:54peturblind users probably know better what they are doing and not hitting keys without thinking ;)
10:28:05pengoit's just a basic modal problem
10:28:23pengois there a mode for blind users?
10:28:53GodEaterthey just use our speech interface
10:28:53BigBambipengo: That would do what?
10:28:58SxSBrucemarkun: yeap,just wanna know whether u r the only one working on M6 port
10:29:01peturpengo: there is voice feedback, however
10:29:03LinusNpengo: so what you are suggesting is to always go back to the wps after a timeout?
10:29:14pengoLinusN: if a track is playing. yes.
10:29:41GodEaterto be honest, that wouldn't bother me
10:29:43GodEateras a feature
10:29:43LinusNactually, it is a feature that quite a few people have requested over the years
10:29:48BigBambiI want it to stay in the screen I want, not that it wants
10:29:48pengoor at least have play/pause work in all screens
10:29:51GodEaterprovided the change was voiced too
10:29:59LinusNGodEater: exactly
10:30:07pengoand volume work in all screens
10:30:11pengobut that seems unlikely to work
10:30:13LinusNpengo: that will not happen
10:30:14BigBambiIf I put it in a screen it is as I want to be in that screen
10:30:33GodEaterpengo: that would be impossible to make work on targets with limited numbers of buttons
10:30:35pengoBigBambi: me too. but then if i leave it at that screen i probably don't want to be left on it
10:30:41BigBambiI do
10:30:43LinusNBigBambi: then you won't enable the timeout-to-wps option
10:30:47markunpengo: it works on some players with dedicated volume buttons
10:30:47GodEaterand we want to keep the interface consistent between targets
10:30:49BigBambiIf I want to change again, I will change it
10:31:03pengoBigBambi: yeah but you're a control freak
10:31:10BigBambiExcuse me?
10:31:14GodEaterLinusN: another option ? :) Sacriledge!
10:31:17BigBambiIsn't that the point of Rockbox?
10:31:36*GodEater goes hunting for the pitchforks and crowd of angry villagers
10:31:37BigBambiTo give me control to use my DAP how I want, not hopw someone else has decided is best?
10:31:48pixelmaeh, I wouldn't want screens disappearing after a certain timeout
10:31:52pengoBigBambi: yeah. so give me my options.
10:31:58LinusNpixelma: then don't enable the option
10:32:17BigBambipengo: I don't object to the options too much
10:32:23pengoso anyway.. apart from auto-flipping back to the WPS.. (which wont happen by the sounds of it).......
10:32:24pixelmapengo: but then don't complain about menu layout...
10:32:40pengopixelma: oh i haven't begun on the menu layout
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10:32:53BigBambipengo: However if you add all these options, how will that help your manu layout?
10:33:34pengoBigBambi: well my problem with menu layout, isn't that there's too much stuff there.. it's that there's a context menu and a normal menu.. and what goes in which (to put it bluntly) seems almost arbitrary
10:34:06pengo(in the WPS anyway)
10:34:08LinusNpengo: it mostly is...
10:34:11GodEaterpengo: I'd agree with that assement to a point
10:34:28pengoi didn't expect agreement there
10:34:45pengoi'd just scrap the context menu personally
10:34:47GodEaterpengo: and I'd also say that from the sounds of it we *could* introduce an option for the "flip back to WPS" feature
10:34:59LinusNGodEater: i agree
10:35:04B4gderwe need the context menu!
10:35:05pengoGodEater: cool
10:35:15GodEateryeah, the context menu has to stay though
10:35:24GodEaterthere's a lot of features we need it for
10:35:30GodEaterbut it could probably be better organised
10:35:30*petur <3 context menu
10:35:31pengoi'd just have the two menus combine
10:35:42pixelmapengo: by the way auto-return to the WPS from the pitch screen wouldn't help you if it will also reset the pitch again what I think it would do without further changes. And I think the better solution might be to have the possibility to keep the pitch when returning to the WPS manually, or do I miss something?
10:35:44pengocause i always hit the wrong one anyway and then try the other
10:35:53BigBambiContext menu itself is essential, but what is on it could be better
10:36:06LinusNpengo: like a context submenu in the main menu?
10:36:13pengopixelma: no i'd have it leave the pitch alone when it auto-flips back
10:36:24B4gderLinusN: or a main menu in the in the context one ;-)
10:36:27pengoLinusN: yes. that's one way that i'd be happy with
10:36:30markunB4gder: yes!
10:36:33LinusNB4gder: hehe, yes
10:36:34pengoB4gder: and that's the other :)
10:37:07LinusNthat won't please the "no! one more keypress!" crowd
10:37:17JdGordonPaulJam: flawed how?
10:37:20peturor bothe, and an ugly hack te prevent recursion :)
10:37:24pixelmayes, but that needs preparation anyways and then I don't see why it needs to auto-return - just set pitch, return to WPS and you're done
10:37:24Dangalarioone question
10:37:39GodEaterso pengo, I think you can see that if you're prepared to put the time in on proposing a more sane menu layout, we'll definitely be keen to see it
10:37:43Dangalariocan rockbox be installed on a c250 with latest sansa firmware ?
10:38:04pengoLinusN: the freed up button that was the context button can be made programmable to do whatever those "no! one more keypress" people wnat
10:38:23*petur runs off screaming
10:38:30LinusNpengo: that won't please the "no! no custom menus!" crowd :-)
10:38:42BigBambiNo, context menu on a button must stay (IMO)
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10:38:54pengoLinusN: well it can default to saying "THIS BUTTON INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK" then
10:38:58LinusNi'm all ears regarding gui changes in general
10:39:20BigBambiMe too - I think we all agree it could be better
10:39:21GodEaterpengo: hahaha
10:39:22pixelmaDangalario: latest sansa firmware that's sooo accurate... Can you please give the version number to help us answering the question?
10:39:23LinusNpengo: :-)
10:39:45JdGordonpixelma: can you try another patch?
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10:39:59GlorfindelI'm confused. How do I put newlines in a viewport in a wps file?
10:40:26GodEaterhit "enter" in your text editor ?
10:40:38BigBambitoo slow ::
10:40:39PaulJamJdGordon: if a folder from the list is picked that has no music in it, but one of the subdirs contain music, then that is played (instead of picking a new random directory). so some folders have a higher chance of being played. i noticed that while putting some debug output in the code while investigateing FS #7077.
10:40:51pengoand the biggest thing i'd like is that when you hit the "Go to the next folder of songs" button that it bookmarks your place cause it's really easy to accidentally hit on this iriver remote and it shits me to tears
10:40:57pixelmaJdGordon: sure
10:41:04GlorfindelThat didn't seem to do anything, I already tried it... also tried making the width of the viewport the same as the bitmap, and it just cut it off :(
10:41:26BigBambiNew line for text or bitmap?
10:41:35BigBambiAnd do you have overlapping viewports?
10:41:41JdGordonPaulJam: ah yes... I have been meaning to fix that
10:41:48advcomp2019pengo, i only have one issue with the keymap, but i am not fighting to get it changed
10:41:48BigBambiwell you position the bitmap with the co-ordinates
10:41:58BigBambirealtive to the viewport they are in
10:42:17Glorfindeloh crap, I see it now >< where you preload! Thanks!
10:42:36fiftysixerwell g'nite all, and again - this is amazing...can't wait to start code-digging :)
10:42:39GodEaterwe're having a few facepalm moments today
10:42:46pengoadvcomp2019: yah. i'll just shut up and give up. my iriver's on the way out anyway ( pengo-au/2627240261/"> )
10:42:56Dangalario01.01.00 for c250 can be rockboxed?
10:43:05pengo(the main controls have already died)
10:43:18GodEaterpengo: why are you going to give up, I thought we were being pretty positive here ?
10:43:33pengoGodEater: cause i'm a defeatist.
10:43:53pengoGodEater: thanks for the feedback tho :)
10:44:06*GodEater is speechless
10:44:25pixelmaDangalario: yes
10:44:53Dangalariothanx alot is it any good btw?
10:45:20pengoGodEater: yeah i'm looking at the wiki
10:45:31*BigBambi wonders what the hell the point of that discussion was
10:46:09SxSBruceso do i
10:46:44peturpengo: fyi, that is your remote, not the h120 :p
10:46:51Dangalariook how do i find out if my version of c250 is with fm or not?
10:46:58pengopetur: yeah but the buttons on the h120 are already dead :)
10:47:22peturpengo: treat your next player better
10:47:51peturand your other gear too, it will save you money
10:47:58pengopetur: never! if i can't keep it in my pocket and throw it around there's no point having it
10:48:26pixelmaDangalario: you might find that your c200 has a radio even if there is no option for it in the sansa firmware. You don't need to know it if you want to install Rockbox
10:48:53peturpengo: when the player is dead, donate/sell it for parts please, many people are looking for spare parts
10:48:54pengopetur: i think it's done pretty well for 5 years of abuse
10:49:07pengopetur: good point.. will do
10:49:31Dangalarioyea but isnt it good to update sansa firmware im tired of updating database stuff in original firmware..
10:50:06Dangalarioand there are two firmwares on sansa site once for fm and another one without
10:50:16pixelmaJdGordon: that patch gives warnings and a compile error in scroll_engine.c (compiling a c200 sim)
10:51:39JdGordonpixelma: sorry.. forgot to check a compile
10:54:54pixelmaDangalario: I don't know of any sansa firmware versions that don't have that database refresh. Discussing the OF would also be off-topic here and I guess you won't find many people here who knows anything about it
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10:56:24JdGordonPaulJam: it shuold never jump to a directory without any tracks in it should it?
10:57:22JdGordonI think check_subdir_for_music() just needs to be changed to check the single folder and always ignore subdirs
10:57:32GlorfindelThe refreshing thing doesn't seem to happen if I have rockbox installed and turn it on by plugging in the USB cable... only happens when I turn it on and hit previous track button to boot into the OF.
10:58:26pixelmaGlorfindel: you have an e200 series Sansa, I guess?
10:58:59Glorfindelyes, e250 refurb... just got it a couple days ago :)
10:59:29JdGordon... maybe not
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11:00:48pixelmaGlorfindel: suppressing the OF's database refresh works on most e200s with Rockbox but not on c200s, the OF deals a bit differently with it on the latter
11:01:41GlorfindelAh, sorry, I assumed they'd be the same in that respect.
11:02:04PaulJamJdGordon: check_subdir_for_music() is also used for the normal folder advance, where it needs to check the subdirs. in my solution i added another parameter to this function that tells if it should check for music in subdirs (and if this is false, then return (with a negative value) before checking in subdirs). Unfortunately i can't post a patch because of the realname policy.
11:02:32JdGordonthats what I was about to do... but I;m not sure thats required
11:04:12*JdGordon just noticed reset settings doesnt change the language?!
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11:05:57pixelmaDangalario: just making sure - the firmware version that's currently on your c200 is a v01.xx.xx, no v03.xx.xx ?
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11:09:36amiconnJdGordon: That's on purpose
11:11:20GlorfindelYay! Finally got my Code Geass theme looking alright.
11:12:50GlorfindelIs there any way to snap a screenshot from the actual player? I don't have a simulator that will work with it (it uses the multifont stuff).
11:13:00GodEaterGlorfindel: in the manual again ;)
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11:13:26pixelmaJdGordon: seems to stop the problem but arouses another: now some lines in the WPS that need to scroll don't (looks like only the last line does when it needs to)
11:14:35pixelmaGodEater: are you sure?
11:14:42pengoGlorfindel: i use a camera.. but i dont read manuals :)
11:15:10GlorfindelHeh, I'm scouring the manual... I don't think my camera would take a very good shot of it
11:15:41BigBambiGlorfindel: If it isn't, in the debug menu there is an option for enable screen dumps or some such. Enable it, then insert the USB cable
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11:16:03pixelmaGodEater: but the database.ignore is in the manual
11:16:22BigBambiGlorfindel: Or just look at pixelma's handy link :)
11:16:37GlorfindelThanks for the link
11:16:58GodEaterpixelma: We don't have that in the manual either?
11:17:13GodEaterBloody hell, I'm going to stop referring people to the manual now until I've committed the entire thing to memory
11:17:25BigBambiGodEater: I guess not as it is in the debug menu
11:17:47pixelmaas BigBambi said earlier, the PDF is fine for searches...
11:19:00markunit's too late to rename database.ignore and unignore the exclude and include, right?
11:19:48BigBambiThe only problem with include is that it sounds like it is necessary in all folders
11:20:04BigBambii.e. if you don't have it the folder won't be included
11:20:21pixelmaand yes, unfortunately the manual lacks some information and one has to be carefull to refer people to it (I often check first). That was one reason why the documentation cleanup week was suggested
11:20:30BigBambi.ignore isn't to bad, but unignore is not a nice word :)
11:21:29BigBambimany thanks :)
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11:22:45JdGordonthe 2.5 release for the archos has been dumped hasnt it?
11:23:02maffeAAC playback is very slow :( Maybe 1 s playback and then 3 s pause
11:23:47markunmaybe a file with SBR?
11:24:10maffeabout 24 kbps
11:24:23markunSBR is very CPU intensive
11:24:28maffeI just tried that out
11:25:18GlorfindelIt could still probably use some tweaking, but heres the theme. Its based heavily off "Kore" so I need to ask that guy before I take any credit or distribute it.
11:25:38maffeCan SBR be turned off in the decoder?
11:26:14maffeI know it wouldn't sound very good then, but better than stuttering
11:26:33markunI think it can be turned off
11:26:35JdGordonpixelma: the WPS?! thats odd
11:26:55markunmaffe: but yes, it will sound pretty bad, at half the samplerate.
11:28:24pixelmaJdGordon: I'll check an unpatched one again, but don't think I've ever seen this before
11:28:39JdGordondont bother... just checked here...
11:28:42JdGordonits broken
11:29:01Dangalariointresting the sansa c250 rockbox can't browse folders in root
11:29:38JdGordonyes it can
11:29:49maffefor voice podcasts it might be good enough without SBR
11:29:59Dangalarioi had to put my files inside system
11:30:02JdGordonDangalario: you need to change it to show all files
11:30:15Dangalarioahh a simple option
11:30:21Dangalariothx mate
11:30:43pixelmaDangalario: sure it can, but I guess you only used the folder structure that was on there before and the Sansa firmware hides its folders by default and Rockbox doesn't show hidden folders or files by default
11:31:02Dangalarioheh musta forgotten that
11:31:09JdGordonpixelma: the problem I think is that the supplied themes have overlapping viewports, so its working as it should
11:31:20Dangalarioi was kinda used to e260 v1
11:31:25pixelmaJdGordon: I don't understand?
11:31:30maffeyeah, finally I can listen to my 48 kHz FLAC files :D
11:31:32JdGordondont worry then
11:31:40Dangalarioand now c250 seems somehow diffrent in control
11:31:51Dangalarioi like the wheel bettrer
11:31:58pixelmaJdGordon: I'm testing with my own WPS if that makes any difference
11:32:08JdGordondoes it have any viewports?
11:32:31markunmaffe: I'm looking at the source to see how it can be disabled
11:32:34pixelmasure, but they aren't overlapping I think, you could check...
11:32:43JdGordonyeah, pastebin the wps
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11:33:50maffeI'm impressed :)
11:34:54maffe(I installed Rockbox today after I discovered dual boot)
11:35:07JdGordonpixelma: wierd logic error... fixed it, but need to figure out a cleaner fix
11:35:18markunmaffe: I see there is also a SBR_LOW_POWER define, maybe it will speed things up
11:38:24rasherBagder: Why does contain an empty database.ignore file?
11:39:07B4gderno idea
11:39:09pixelmadatabase.ignore files are always empty
11:39:20B4gderah then that's why
11:39:25B4gderto ignore the fonts dir
11:39:30B4gderI guess
11:39:34rasherB4gder: but it's in .rockbox
11:40:05rasher(I didn't know that's how database.ignore worked, then it's not a problem as such, but still weird)
11:40:11pixelmathen it'll ignore the complete .rockbox with its subfolders unless in one of them is a database.unignore
11:40:39pixelmaand the usual build zips also contain it
11:40:42rasherBut still, that should be in the rockbox main zip (which it is)
11:40:44markunI think it was mainly done to speed thing but, but now everything is scanned regardless of database.unignore
11:40:47rasherWhy put it in the fonts as well?
11:41:17pixelmamaybe to be "on the safe side"?
11:41:29B4gderor just a mistake
11:41:33rasherJust means the user gets a "replace database.ignore" prompt when unzipping
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11:42:06rasherIt's not .rockbox/fonts/database.ignore, but .rockbox/database.ignore
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11:42:21pixelmayeah, understood
11:43:37Nooberis anyone here that grant Wiki write permissions?
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11:44:22BigBambiYes (and what a terribly annoying nick!)
11:44:49markunmaffe: it doesn't compile with SBR_LOW_PWER
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11:58:43pixelmaJdGordon: updated to SVN and the scrolling lines problem in the WPS is there with my WPS and with cabbiev2 too (only the next song info line scrolls), no problems with iCatcher as it doesn't use viewports at all I guess
11:59:01*JdGordon was afraid of that
11:59:20JdGordonbugger :(
11:59:29JdGordoncan you pastebin your wps?
12:01:04pixelmaif you can make sense of it :P (actually it's hard to read it myself...)
12:01:31JdGordonim getting better at the wps syntax :)
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12:01:58pixelmawant to test something before
12:04:59pixelmahmm... seems like it is my WPS :\
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12:36:39safetydanDoes anyone know if RaeNye ever got anywhere with porting lua?
12:37:24safetydanI'm having a go at porting it as a viewer, but it's segfautling deep in the bowels of lua
12:39:29*GodEater thinks it's good to see such trivial features being added ;)
12:40:27safetydanwell I figure a simple scripting language might make it easier for some people to develop plugins
12:40:41GodEatervery true I expect
12:41:00GodEaterdoes it segfault in the sim too ?
12:41:06GodEateror is that the only place you're running it so far ?
12:42:27safetydansim only so far
12:42:56safetydanI've got other issues to solve before getting it working on targets, e.g. a functional setjmp/longjmp implementation
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12:48:26Dangalarioany dev intrested in a player donation?
12:48:58cool_walking_I'm not a dev, but I daresay it depends on what player it is.
12:49:10Dangalariomp4 digital player
12:49:19Dangalarioit only serves as paperweight here
12:49:26safetydanhah, looks like I need a stub setjmp/longjmp even in the sim
12:49:39Dangalarioits a chinese mp4
12:51:46markunDangalario: which one?
12:52:14Dangalarioit sez mp4 digital player
12:52:27markunsez? :)
12:52:39markunbut nothing else?
12:53:14markuncould you perhaps take a picture then, or do you know a website where they sell it?
12:53:15safetydanwell crap, now I have to make setjmp/longjmp work first even in the sim
12:53:23Dangalariolemme check
12:53:27markunDangalario: btw, where would you be shipping it from?
12:53:52Dangalariothis one
12:54:14Dangalarioalthough the device is small its screen is as big as sansa e200 series
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12:56:03markunDangalario: OLED screen, nice
12:56:24markunI'll try to find out which CPU it has
12:56:37markununless you want to open it up and take some pictures
12:57:02Dangalarioi would if i had the right size screwdrivers
12:57:45GodEaterDangalario: use a hammer ? :)
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12:58:53Dangalariodestroy the mp3?
12:59:24GodEaterI *was* kidding...
12:59:54DangalarioCVAAL-A25N its the name of mine (i think)
13:00:13Dangalarionewer versions have sd support but this one is a 2gb one.
13:00:36markunyes, I think so too A25N has many hits
13:00:59markunbut so far nothing on the CPU
13:01:17Dangalariook i go find a screwdriver
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13:01:47PaulJaminteresting, my uisim crashes (segfault?) after running the random_folder_advance_config plugin
13:03:41Dangalariocould it be so that it has some cpu that already is rockbox supported?
13:03:46leftrightHi, could someone familiar with wps syntax look over my wps my album picture flickers sometimes, don't knwo why
13:04:40leftrightI don't load album art, its just a fixed .bmp which says "album"
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13:06:57Dangalarioopened it up
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13:10:33Dangalariosamsung 716 k9LAG008U0M PCB0 a big component probably the cpu
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13:12:07B4gdercould be
13:14:52Dangalariomarkun okay i made some pics
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13:15:21B4gdera single google hit on that k9 string
13:16:49markunB4gder: when I looked for the video format of this player I also found something about S1:
13:17:31markunalthough I don't know if your link is about a S1 player
13:18:30Dangalarios1 arnt s1 small size stuff?
13:19:06markunDangalario: well, according to that wikipedia page there are also S1 player who play video
13:19:25markunI also thought they were small and audio only
13:20:25B4gderDangalario: is there an ATJ chip on there as well?
13:20:42PaulJamleftright: flickering usually happens when a part of the WPS is overlapped by a different viewport.
13:21:18Dangalariojust closed the player
13:21:30Dangalariohave to bluetooth the pics from the cel
13:21:45leftrightPaulJam: thanks
13:21:57Dangalarioand i'll tell
13:22:13B4gder'Actions Semiconductor Co., Ltd. , one of China's leading fabless semiconductor companies, today announced that one of its mainstream products, the ATJ 2097, was selected by the Ministry of Information Industry ("MII") of the People's Republic of China as the "China Chip with Best Market Performance in 2006."'
13:22:31B4gderlovely that
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13:23:28markunit must be true!
13:23:39lurkerlooks like that samsung chip is a flash-chip.
13:23:41PaulJamleftright: btw, i seems you wps is missing some things, foe example no conditional VP with "a" as descriptor, but %Vda , and no %Cl tag but %C.
13:23:52markunlurker: yes, I was just thinking that
13:24:06B4gderyes, k9 seems to be common on their flashes
13:24:06lurkerclcik on datasheet view for a pdf for that chip
13:24:15markunlike k4 for SDRAM
13:24:36markunso we still know nothing about the CPU
13:24:45lurkeri believe the player manufacturer is chinavasion
13:25:24B4gderI think the 2097 is the SoC
13:25:45B4gderthat wasn't from Dangalario's palyer
13:26:16DangalarioHmm pics got all blurry
13:26:27Dangalarioguess celphone cam sucks
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13:26:46lurkerthey usually do
13:26:57B4gdereven regular cameras are often not good enough for doing pcb photos
13:27:26B4gderwhich is why we recommend scanners for that
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13:27:56markunbye lurker (since you are reading the logs anyway :)
13:28:20Dangalariomaybe i need to edit in paint what diffrent components say?
13:28:46markunDangalario: no a bad idea
13:30:43DangalarioOk guess im opening it up again he he
13:33:47leftrightPaulJam: thanks for pointing out the missing items, I have no idea with syntax, monkey see, monkey do
13:34:31leftrightplagariser of note :->
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13:40:24Dangalariohosting it now
13:40:44Dangalariomodified picture with more explaining.
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13:41:11Dangalariothis should be it
13:41:42B4gderhah, there was an ATJ
13:42:10Dangalariohmm u guys already coded atj stuff?
13:42:13markunB4gder: nice find ;)
13:42:50Dangalariowell this player is a cheap paperweight here.
13:43:00markunB4gder: did you find which ISA it uses?
13:43:49Dangalarioi don't mind donating it considering i got 2 V1 sansas c250 2gb verycheap up and running rockbox :D
13:45:59B4gderI didn't find much at all about it
13:46:11B4gderI know ATJ is Action Semiconductor
13:47:31B4gder"Clear Leader in the Rapidly Growing Non-iPod, BRIC Market" ...
13:47:36markunI'm looking for the usual suspects such as ARM and MIPS
13:48:41Dangalarioso the cheap china players use that stuff
13:48:42B4gderand it is...
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13:49:32markunDangalario: you could also ask the people in #s1mp3 about it
13:49:37B4gderthat pdf spells it out
13:50:22B4gderChina graduates 300,000 engineers/year; our engineers are
13:50:22B4gderhard working and cost $11,000/year
13:50:43B4gderjust so you know ;-)
13:50:50markunmultiple MIPS cores?
13:51:06B4gderprobably different ones in different products
13:51:12markunB4gder: somehow it's cute :)
13:52:32Dangalariodonating it to s1mp3 people?
13:53:26markunI don't know if they are more likely to do something useful with it
13:53:43markunperhaps we can one day work together to support even more players
13:54:14Dangalariowell that would be the day when a cheapass player turns into a mighty rockbox
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13:54:44Dangalarioi thought s1mp3 was dead
13:55:16markunmaybe it is
13:55:57markun"We have none. Please, write one!
13:56:17markunor maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?
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14:00:38markunfrom :
14:00:47markun"OLED displays need a special driver chip to power them and will use a single GPIO to turn the backlight on or off."
14:01:05markunisn't the idea behind OLED that you don't use a backlight at all?
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14:03:46B4gder"A significant benefit of OLED displays over traditional liquid crystal displays (LCDs) is that OLEDs do not require a backlight to function. "
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14:04:29markunhi KimWoojin
14:04:33KimWoojinI'm Korean :)
14:04:41markunI thought so :)
14:04:56KimWoojindo i can make firmware of iriver D20?
14:05:23KimWoojinI want make firmware of iriver D20.. :_
14:05:29B4gderKimWoojin: see
14:05:59markunB4gder: I didn't know about te /wiki/ shortcut
14:06:17B4gderit's a magic redirect
14:06:24Dangalarioi miss the days when chicks wernt into geeky stuff
14:06:44markunDangalario: better go to #rockbox-community to talk about that
14:07:08KimWoojinHmm English is VERY DIFFICULT :)
14:07:19markunKimWoojin: do you know which CPU is inside the D20?
14:07:33B4gderKimWoojin: I'm sure your english is better than our korean...
14:07:34markunSamsung S5L8700 perhaps?
14:08:20markunKimWoojin: best to first find out which chips are inside your player
14:08:28markunMaybe you can open it up and take some pictures
14:08:47markunOr find a website where someone else has done that :)
14:08:58KimWoojinYES :)
14:09:42KimWoojinIriver D20 is Good dictionary player. But firmware is bad :(
14:10:06markunTo make a new firmware is a lot of work
14:12:13markunKimWoojin: is there a firmware update for the D20?
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14:13:17markunsome links to the D20 but they are broken :(
14:13:29KimWoojinReally Firmware?
14:13:31markun(When llorean was known under a different name :)
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14:15:17markunKimWoojin: firmware update on the official iriver site I mean
14:15:58KimWoojinYes I have
14:16:34markunCan you give me a link?
14:16:39markunto the firmware update
14:17:28KimWoojinDo you have E-mail?
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14:18:03KimWoojinIt is not a download link
14:18:19markunKimWoojin: I wrote you a PM, can you see it?
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14:18:34KimWoojinwhat is the PM?;;
14:18:48markun"personal message" in IRC
14:20:46markunso, did you see my email address?
14:20:57markunthanks :)
14:21:29KimWoojinI'll send the E-mail
14:22:14B4gderthat url gives me a 403
14:22:20markunme too
14:25:25KimWoojinwait 40second
14:25:41KimWoojinThe Firmware is Dat File
14:25:46DangalarioI can have up to 8 gb in sansa c250 right?
14:26:12B4gdermicrosdhc you mean?
14:26:28B4gderthere's no limit at 8
14:27:02KimWoojinI send you mail
14:27:12markunI received it
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14:28:05markun335MB big???
14:28:13markunhi SxSBruce
14:28:17B4gderthat's... _big_
14:28:19KimWoojinIt's BIG
14:28:38B4gderan entire linux distro
14:28:39markunSxSBruce: so far I'm the only one working on the M6 I think, although other people are helping a bit
14:29:03markunB4gder: I can host if fo you if you want to have a look
14:29:03SxSBrucethe reply is quite late,ha?
14:29:21B4gderI do, but not just now I'm soon to run off
14:29:22markunSxSBruce: yes, we keep missing eachother, first I was sleeping, then taking a shower
14:29:36markunB4gder: 29 minutes remaining :(
14:29:51SxSBruceKimWoojin,ur name is very familiar to me...
14:30:00KimWoojinI'm Korean~!
14:30:11SxSBruceyeah, time zone is a great problem
14:30:24*GodEater refuses to believe that all Korean's are called KimWoojin
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14:30:46markunSxSBruce: so you want to help with the port?
14:31:00markunwhich player do you have?
14:31:10SxSBrucewell i want to,but
14:31:23SxSBruceIm not sure i can be a help
14:31:28SxSBruceIts M6
14:31:35B4gderKimWoojin: there's no need to flood with junk
14:31:52markunSxSBruce: T1/TP, SP, SL?
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14:32:36SxSBruceActually having no idea about cracking the players firmware
14:33:29markunSxSBruce: we got pretty much all the datasheets and the firmware is unencrypted, so that helps
14:33:41SxSBruceHe just said they wanna someone knowing about C
14:34:02SxSBruce? u mean i can do...
14:34:20markunin the beginning it's also useful to know ARM assembly
14:34:24KimWoojinWhat is that MEAN
14:34:24markunKimWoojin: can you please stop that?
14:34:57markunKimWoojin: SxSBruce and I are talking about a different player
14:35:02SxSBruceKimWoojin:pretending to be cute is not so appealing now...
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14:35:53SxSBrucemarkun: so whats useful now?
14:36:10KimWoojinKimWoojin: Ohmygod
14:36:17markunKimWoojin: please..
14:36:33KimWoojinmarkun: What is that mean :-
14:37:31KimWoojinEnglish is difficult T_T
14:37:45B4gderKimWoojin: stop talking if you don't understand. Lots of different discussions are held in this channel.
14:38:01KimWoojinOh Yes Thankyou
14:38:05JdGordonPaulJam: random folder adv crashed?
14:38:34PaulJamJdGordon: yes, but only with the changes that you reverted
14:38:54JdGordonthe commit before that worked?
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14:39:36PaulJamr17914 => crash; r17915 => works.
14:40:06JdGordonthats a bad sign
14:40:28PaulJami don't really see what the plugin has to do with the scroll engine.
14:40:38JdGordonnot a thing...
14:42:09PaulJambtw, FS #7077 can be closed now.
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14:42:53KimWoojini have to go now
14:43:01KimWoojinhave a nice day~ :)
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14:43:18*JdGordon would like someone to get pissed with him for the scroll engine changes so he doesnt have to fix all the supplied WPS' and the RFA bug (?)
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14:44:23GodEaterif making you fix all the issues is punishment, then yeah, I'm pissed ;)
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14:45:51JdGordonno... getting pissed would mean reverting the whole thing, diong a bandaid fix for the yes/no screen and going to bed before 11pm :p
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14:47:54GodEaternah - that lets you off too lightly
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14:50:14PaulJamjust a silly question: is it smart to have the md5 plugin in the apps dir? i just launced from there in the uisim and it seems to process _every_ file on the player (and there doesn't seem to be a quit button)
14:51:00JdGordonyeah, I did that a while ago also... it needs to be abortable
14:51:29JdGordonPaulJam: RFA crashed how? did you do anything funny in the plugin?
14:52:13DBUGEnqueued KICK SxSBruce
14:52:14JdGordonprepare for a kicking....
14:52:23PaulJamJdGordon: just launch it, then quit and on the next buttonpress the sim crashes.
14:52:39JdGordonh300 yeah?
14:53:15SxSBrucei was just thinking whats going on cos my typing didnt show on screen
14:53:33GodEaterSxSBruce: it's called Lag, get used to it
14:53:34JdGordonwe wont stop you..
14:53:40SxSBrucelater i found it didnt autoscroll XD
14:53:52JdGordonPaulJam: umm... wtf? it just crashed for me without getting that far
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14:54:42JdGordonPaulJam: AH! wow, good thing I reverted that quickly.... big booboo
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15:10:52Ice``Hi there.
15:11:29stooohi over there also
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15:11:45Ice``Does anyone here want to work / work on on rockbox Zen V Plus port?
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15:12:28SxSBruceu should ask in a different place
15:12:55JdGordonIce``: your best bet is the new ports section in the forums
15:13:15Ice``JdGordon: Okay, thank you.
15:14:26JdGordonamiconn: LinusN: what do you think about raising the MAX_OPEN_DIRS define on higher mem targets? there are at least 3 open tasks relating to this... although I'd be happy to clsoe the lot and force people to just not have 8+ deep folder trees...
15:15:01LinusNgo ahead
15:15:09JdGordonthe "bug report" is from dec 2006 though
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15:18:08Ice``Ok. Does anyone know where I could ask for buying a specific mp3 player?
15:18:23Ice``Like a Creative Zen V / V Plus
15:18:23stooomaybe ebay ?
15:18:41Ice``Yeah, I'll try. Not a bad idea.
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15:27:49KimWoojinHello :)
15:29:00KimWoojinHello~~~ :)
15:29:06KimWoojinHello~~~~ :-)
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15:29:19KimWoojinHi~~~~ :-)
15:29:21LambdaCalculus37KimWoojin: Stop it!
15:30:02KimWoojinI want to make iriver D20 Rockbox Firmware
15:30:15GodEateryes, we remember
15:30:28JdGordonKimWoojin: try the anything but ipod forums...
15:30:30LambdaCalculus37Good, you can start by reading this:
15:30:57KimWoojinI'm korean so I can't English well
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16:33:23JdGordondoesnt one of the newer targets have the digital radio chip?
16:34:58gevaertsSome D2s have DAB. The Logik DAX and ATMT as well, but they aren't very far yet
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16:35:57*scorche|sh thinks the port to the DAX should be is a horrible brick
16:37:19JdGordonis the DAX the thing at the top of the uber-tower?
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16:38:46*gevaerts copies a line from somewhere : "but it looks pretty =)"
16:43:53*LambdaCalculus37 thinks the DAX looks like a bigger, fatter Sansa m200
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16:47:37scorche|shonly with a humpback and a few warts
16:48:54preglowJdGordon: i'll probably start digging pretty eagerly at the dab chip in the d2 once things are running nicer than they are now
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16:49:36preglowi think it uses the same chip as the dax
16:52:17JdGordonpreglow: ok, was just checking my memory wasnt completly off
16:52:28pixelmaJdGordon: RDS isn't DAB though, still none of the tuner chips used in Rockbox targets support it
16:52:36pixelmaas far as I know
16:53:30preglowme neither
16:53:40SxSBrucewhat player?
16:53:55preglowrds is just a digital subcarrier in a regular fm transmission
16:54:42SxSBruceokkkk.btw,what compiler is for M6? the Arm?
16:55:21preglowm68k, coldfire
16:55:40preglowoh, forget me
16:55:44preglowi'm confusing targets
16:55:49preglowarm, yes
16:56:05SxSBruceyeah and i was confused by u
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17:22:19JdGordonpixelma: ah ok
17:22:37JdGordonalso, can you check svn and the yesno screen? that most recent commit should also have ixed it
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17:23:49*GodEater thinks the latest post to the dev list raises a good question, was the H300 bootloader looked at at all ?
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17:25:47LambdaCalculus37petur and LinusN: Yes, how did it go with the H300 bootloader? Were you guys able to look at it?
17:28:16pixelmaJdGordon: will take a look
17:29:40peturLambdaCalculus37: Linus found the commit that breaks things, still has to figure out why
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17:34:36LambdaCalculus37petur: Which commit was it that broke things?
17:34:40pixelmaJdGordon: yes, that screen looks correctly now
17:35:36peturLambdaCalculus37: I honestly don't know, Linus invetigated it by himself, I just borrowed him my h380 to test bootloader builds on
17:35:59peturhe did show it to me but I didn't note it down somewhere
17:36:01GodEaterdidn't he say he hosed his BDM too ?
17:36:09GodEateror was that for a different target ?
17:36:10LambdaCalculus37Yeah, on his H100 IIRC.
17:36:18peturh100, yes
17:36:29LambdaCalculus37Poor H100. :(
17:36:53GodEaterthere's still a bootloader waiting to be made "official" for that too isn't there ?
17:36:57pixelmaJdGordon: also, my WPS behaves correctly again, will still try to find out whether there are some overlapping VPs or so
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17:37:37JdGordonpixelma: ok, but dont waste too much time on it (at least not with the reverted code)... it will crash
17:37:38LambdaCalculus37GodEater: There's a v7 bootloader that's in SVN. Still isn't complete, though.
17:37:57LambdaCalculus37I think it's bootloader v7pre4?
17:37:59GodEaterI have a v7 on my H100
17:38:03GodEaterI think it's pre3 though
17:38:19GodEaterhasnt' gone wrong for me so far :)
17:38:34LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Did you flash Rockbox to your H100?
17:38:44pixelmaJdGordon: you mean it'll crash when there are overlapping VPs?
17:39:21GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: naturally ;)
17:39:42JdGordonpixelma: no.. it will crash in the browser/menus when you move off a scrolling line
17:39:42GodEaterI should probably update the flashed version though - it's way old
17:39:59LambdaCalculus37I should do the same for my JBRv1.
17:40:28LambdaCalculus37I haven't updated it in 6 months!
17:40:44pixelmaJdGordon: ah, ok
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17:47:50Strife89Do I need to put a copy of a recent build into the Rockbox simulator?
17:48:32Strife89Almost nothing is working as-is. (example: I can't go under "Plugins")
17:48:41LambdaCalculus37Strife89: If you're using Windows, just download a new version.
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17:49:30LloreanStrife89: The simulator *is* the build. If you want a recent sim, you have to rebuild the whole thing. Putting a player build into it will just break things.
17:49:32Strife89Can you link me to it? (YES, I have looked. The place I downloaded from seems outdated)">
17:50:11Strife89Alright, thank you.
17:50:30Strife89Suppose I want to test a music file. Where do I put it?
17:50:53LambdaCalculus37Make a folder in the "archos" folder for the sim, then toss your music in there.
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17:51:39Strife89Okay. I suppose that "Archos" represents the "device's" built-in storage?
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17:53:03Strife89Anyways, thank you. :)
17:53:37LambdaCalculus37Strife89: Yep, you're right. :)
17:53:40BigBambiI have pre4 on my H100 - pre 3 was missing a wait that meant I couldn't turn on with the remote - it thought hold was permanently on
17:54:09GodEaterBigBambi: ah - I don't use my remote anymore, so that wouldn't have bothered me
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17:56:49Strife89You know, the simulator *could* replace CoolPlayerPortable as my flash-drive media player. (Those of you who have been to should know what I mean)
17:56:51BigBambiGodEater: Having flashed rockbox is nice though - but likewise I haven't updated it in a long long time
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18:02:24phixxoris there a way to help supporting a device that currently isn't supported if I've never programmed before in my life?
18:02:54LambdaCalculus37What device would that be?
18:03:02Strife89Agrh. Every time I start the simulator, I get "no .rockbox directory" "Installation incomplete". I can't get any list of plugins, nor can I access the File Browser. Initializing the Database yields a constant "0". (
18:03:02Strife89I admit I'm running it under Wine right now, but I've been told that's not a problem.
18:03:02Strife89I am using the Sansa c200 build.
18:03:17phixxorsandisk sansa m series
18:03:53phixxorI think mine is the m230
18:03:58LloreanStrife89: If you're on Linux, why not compile your own sim?
18:04:14Strife89I have no earthly idea how. :(
18:04:22LambdaCalculus37phixxor: Some work was started on a port for the Sansa m200 series, but it's still very basic and will require one to at least know how to compile an application and upload it using a special tool.
18:04:29BigBambiphixxor: It is possible; sure, but would be a hell of a lot of work
18:04:31LambdaCalculus37Plus, the port does nothing but display basic information.
18:04:41LloreanStrife89: It's the same as compiling Rockbox, you just pick "Sim" instead of "Normal"
18:04:47Strife89What do I do, download a bunch of sources and execute "makefile"?
18:04:48LloreanThe instructions haven't changed for years.
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18:05:20maffeHi, maybe someone could change the wiki page - The X5 does support FLAC, but not with 48 kHz. And deleting files is possible, but not that easy (switching to USB host mode required). And then there's the footnote 19 mentioned at WMA decoding, but that footnote does not belong to WMA decoding.
18:05:29phixxorlambdaCalculus37: how involved would it be? I've compiled applications before
18:05:29gevaertsphixxor: I think that some people who know what they're doing are working on it, and that they already have all information you can get by just looking (and opening the device), so without knowing how to program I don't think there is much you can do right now
18:05:33LloreanStrife89: There's development documentation in the wiki that should help, linked from the index.
18:05:57phixxorcool it's already being worked on
18:06:00Strife89Maffe: I'll look at it.
18:06:33LambdaCalculus37phixxor: If you want to help test code, though, read these pages:,, and
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18:09:50PaulJamdoen't rockbox resample everything to 44.1 kHz so that 48kHz material might actually sound worse than native 44.1kHz material?
18:10:11LloreanAt the moment, yes.
18:10:18gevaertsI'm not sure if all targets are 44.1, but yes
18:10:42LloreanSeveral targets should be able to handle other sample rates natively, but iiuc it's not a simple task.
18:10:55LambdaCalculus37I have some Ogg Vorbis files that I had encoded from 48 kHz WAVs, but they sound just fine on my iPods and my Gigabeast.
18:12:08LloreanLambdaCalculus37: The difference should be small. Our resampler just isn't the best.
18:12:10Strife89The chart looks daunting, so I won't risk messing with it. I confess I merely pasted all but the last sentence of maffe's notes as an unlinked 20th footnote. :(
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18:31:57LloreanAlright guys, I've been thinking.
18:32:26LloreanWhat do people think about, in preparation for the release, devs make a list of their "favorite" bugs. Specifically: Ones they might be interested in fixing themselves, but need reliable volunteer testers for.
18:33:18J-23Is there any Rockbox plugin which uses yesno element?
18:33:20LloreanSo we put a wiki page together with these lists, and try to get some of us with multiple targets, but less odds of fixing bugs ourselves, into the fray doing more testing as we approach the freeze and during it, since we have a list of explicit bugs to test on, and what the related dev wants to see done.
18:33:29J-23(does it depend on target?)
18:33:33LambdaCalculus37Llorean: I may not be a dev, but I think that's a pretty good idea, if not for the fact that I'm always willing to help test fixes. ;)
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18:34:21LloreanLambdaCalculus37: I imagine it's more useful to "confirm" bugs, as well. There's a lot of bugs that maybe the appropriate dev for fixing them (in terms of code knowledge) doesn't have the target to reproduce, or doesn't have a player that exhibits that quirk.
18:34:42LloreanAnd it seems quite handy to have a reliable tester, as if we have to wait a week for a response to a flypsray task nothing will get done.
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18:35:13LambdaCalculus37Llorean: For example, various hardware revisions of a particular target? I refer to the 4G iPod LCD bug in this case.
18:35:31LloreanExactly like that sort of thing.
18:36:01LloreanSomeone who can be around as often as possible during the freeze, and maybe give the dev an email address for build-dropoffs and such.
18:38:31gevaertsLlorean: I think it's a good idea. However, depending on when exactly the release is I might not be able to do much
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20:28:00ReemoHey guys
20:28:08Reemojust thought wether its possible to replace the hdd in Cowon iAudio X5 with another 1,8" with ZIF Connector
20:29:32domonokyReemo: sure its possible, if you have a hd with the right connector (there are different zif Connectors i think)
20:29:49markunReemo: some info
20:30:13PaulJamReemo: you'd need an adapter. but ther might not be enough space to fit the hard drive + adapter.
20:30:46Reemoah okay
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20:31:43ReemoI think i did a mispurchase...
20:31:52ReemoGot a used X5 for... 250€
20:31:56Reemo(60gb tough)
20:32:09Reemobut now i see the ipod video is fully supported...
20:32:20ReemoI hate to say it, but an iPod has even more style with Rockbox on it
20:32:28SxSBrucewhere can i get
20:32:46domonokySxSBruce: its in rockboxs source (under tools)
20:33:57SxSBrucei know its in that! i mean where can i find the rockbox source?
20:34:20Reemoget it from the 'Download' Page ;)
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20:34:37*gevaerts wonders why SxSBruce didn't ask that then
20:34:42domonokyor even better use svn (see wiki)
20:35:34SxSBrucealright,let me see....
20:38:22GodEater_Bagder: any more thoughts on this git mirror of the rb source ?
20:38:54BagderI've tried to outsource that ;-)
20:39:02Bagderthe thinking bits I mean
20:39:12BagderI can very well make the server provide it
20:40:20GodEater_which thinking bits still need consideration ?
20:40:36Bagdermostly how to do it, what commands to run etc
20:40:50BagderI'm pretty clueless when it comes to git
20:41:01GodEater_most of the thinking is already done by Nico, and documented on the wiki page we put together for git last year
20:41:07GodEater_which would get you an up to date git tree
20:41:20GodEater_the only bit we're missing is the svn post commit hook to run "git-svn rebase"
20:42:01LloreanBagder: Nico_P said it's more or less trivial to do it.
20:43:00GodEater_Bagder: the key bit to get it started is the bit under "The Public Git Repository" right at the bottom of that page
20:43:13GodEater_run those commands, and we have a complete git history of the project
20:43:24GodEater_and then it's just the svn post commit hook that's needed
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20:45:25*GodEater_ wonders if this is enough thinking for Bagder, or if it requires more
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20:49:20Bagderwell, there are a few missing details there
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20:49:31Bagderlike how do people then access the repo on the site that has it?
20:49:57GodEater_beg pardon ?
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20:50:26GodEater_you mean the repo ?
20:50:43GodEater_they don't ever access that - it's just a handy place for you to clone the repo from to get started
20:51:05GodEater_you could get it straight from the svn repo - but it would take much longer
20:52:08Bagderright, but then we need something on our server to respond to the git:// protocol, won't we?
20:52:19GodEater_ah right I see
20:52:26GodEater_yes - you're right - that's missing
20:52:33*GodEater_ will do this bit of thinking for Bagder
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20:56:20GodEater_I missed the bit which said whether or not this git mirror will allow commits or not
20:56:29GodEater_is that the plan, or is it going to be read only ?
20:56:31*wpyh wonders who the "Me" is in "Me personally, I start to see git as a very useful change..."
20:56:54GodEater_wpyh: that would be me, I wrote most of the initial page
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20:57:03Bagdercommit is done locally...
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20:57:08Bagderwith git
20:57:33GodEater_I mean, will you be allowing people who use this git repo to commit directly to it, and then from there into the svn repo ?
20:57:57GodEater_or will this git tree just be an alternative way for people to download there copy of the source tree
20:58:06GodEater_i.e. no commiters should use it
20:58:08BagderI don't know
20:58:13LloreanWhen I talked with Nico_P he said it's really trivial to keep commits as SVN-only
20:58:20LloreanSince you can just rebase your changes
20:58:33wpyhGodEater: maybe you can update the page to reflect that? so that people know who to ask if they have questions about git
20:58:44GodEater_wpyh: my name is in the history...
20:58:47LloreanBut that using Git for commits as well would rather complicate things.
20:58:56GodEater_Llorean: right - it would
20:58:58Bagderyes, I would guess so as well
20:59:07wpyhGodEater: that's not straightforward...
20:59:10GodEater_that makes doing this bit of thinking quite easy
20:59:17GodEater_wpyh: I don't really care :)
20:59:35GodEater_I'm hardly the "go to guy" for git questions - there are better places to get information on it
20:59:41LloreanIt makes sense to keep it one-way, just because the added cost to Git users is apparently (I've been told) quite small, while keeping the server end much less complicated.
20:59:49GodEater_Bagder: all we need on the server then is git-daemon
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21:02:09*GodEater_ assumes runs debian ?
21:02:27Zagoryup ? ;-)
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21:05:38Bagderinstruction failed
21:05:40GodEater_is there a git-daemon-run package for debian ?
21:05:54*GodEater_ is working off the same package in ubuntu
21:05:58GodEater_which ironically is broken!
21:06:03Bagder"git svn init svn://" is not working
21:06:17GodEater_you didn't install git-svn ?
21:06:25GodEater_(seperate package to git proper)
21:07:07*GodEater_ hopes this improves the situation
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21:07:14Bagderthat made a difference ;-)
21:07:49SxSBruceis rockbox-community channel closed?
21:08:08BigBambier, no
21:08:18BagderSxSBruce: no, as open and lively as ever
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21:17:58Cannoliquick question
21:18:05Cannoliwht is the link to the major updates page?
21:18:13gevaertswht ?
21:18:26GodEater_I think he meant "wth"
21:18:35Cannolithank you
21:18:47*gevaerts also doesn't get "wth"
21:18:53*Bagder git clones from
21:18:55Cannolii couldnt find it on the website, probably cause i was searching major updates
21:18:55GodEater_it's like wtf, only more polite
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21:19:11gevaertswhere the heck ?
21:19:13*gevaerts hides
21:19:19GodEater_pretty much :)
21:19:49GodEater_Bagder: it's working already? :)
21:19:59Bagderuhm, maybe
21:20:08GodEater_only maybe ?
21:20:18Bagderyeah, I need to test it a bit first
21:20:23Cannolihow does itunes save the lyrics for songs?
21:20:24Bagderit seems to work
21:20:29Cannoliare they in the tags of the mp3?
21:20:39GodEater_what's the git url then ?
21:20:43*GodEater_ would like to test too
21:21:04Bagderhang on a sec first
21:21:08GodEater_Cannoli: we have no idea, very few of us use iTunes, and the subject is pretty much off topic
21:21:14Bagderif it works for me, I'll add it to inetd properly first
21:21:21GodEater_Bagder: ok
21:21:39Cannolioh ok, sorryu
21:22:20GodEater_I don't think our own lyric reading plugin has been committed yet either
21:22:30Cannoliit has
21:22:35GodEater_it has
21:22:37Cannolibut its not god in my opinion
21:22:41GodEater_I should read up more :)
21:22:55Cannoliit needs a .txt file or somehting which contains the lyrics
21:22:57LambdaCalculus37Cannoli: A plugin is a god? :P
21:23:15GodEater_and you propose what instead then ?
21:23:37Cannoliwell im fairly sure the mp3 tags can hold lyrics, so read from those
21:23:45Cannolithat way a seperate file isnt needed
21:23:49GodEater_"fairly sure"?
21:24:00*gevaerts also is fairly sure
21:24:07Cannoligive me one second and i'll be a 100% sure
21:24:13GodEater_and only in mp3s ?
21:24:20GodEater_what about all the other formats we support ?
21:24:29PaulJamthe iriver OF reads the lyrics from tags
21:24:41gevaertsid3v2 has a tag for lyrics. Maybe vorbiscomment as well
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21:26:23GodEater_wouldn't we have to massively increase our tag buffer size to accomodate that though ?
21:27:13gevaertsProbably. But we need to do something anyway to make the database update not fail on some files
21:27:20Cannoliid3v2 can hold lyrics
21:27:44GodEater_gevaerts: is that what the problem is then ?
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21:28:20gevaertsGodEater_: "fail", not "crash". I have some files that it just mis-parses. Removing the embedded AA fixes that
21:28:22Bagdertry "git pull git://"
21:28:43PaulJamGodEater_: couldn't that be stored in the audiobuffer (MoB)
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21:29:19GodEater_Bagder: failed, not a valid git repo
21:29:42*GodEater_ uses clone instead ;)
21:29:42gevaertsTry git clone
21:29:59Bagderoh right clone it should be
21:30:06Cannoliso why is it that the ipod's original software doesnt lag when loading up tags?
21:30:18GodEater_PaulJam: I guess it could, but I don't think any tags are stored there currently
21:30:36GodEater_Cannoli: we don't really care about OFs
21:30:44LloreanCannoli: What do you mean "loading up tags"?
21:30:51PaulJamGodEater_: wasn't that the whole point of MoB?
21:30:57GodEater_Bagder: clone is working beautifully
21:31:08LloreanThe iPod's database is generated on the PC by iTunes, and there are no custom searches, making it drastically simplified compared to what Rockbox does.
21:31:11GodEater_PaulJam: possibly
21:31:20Cannolioh i see
21:31:40*gevaerts also appreciates the aesthetics of a running git clone
21:31:44Cannoli~ Llorean ~ i mean when you select a song from your database, it takes a few seconds for it to start playing
21:31:50Cannolior maybe im doing something wrong?
21:32:10LloreanCannoli: It shouldn't take any longer than the disk spinup if you insert a single song.
21:32:45Cannoliwell i think mine lags on getting the "up next" song
21:32:49Cannolisong tags*
21:33:06GodEater_Bagder: completed successfully
21:33:21LloreanCannoli: So you mean music starts playing, but it takes a while for "up next" to fill in?
21:33:37BagderGodEater: yeah, and then you can try "git pull" within the rockbox dir to fetch updates
21:33:41PaulJamCannoli: do you have "Load To RAM" enable in the database settings?
21:33:59Bagdernot that there are any
21:34:00GodEater_Bagder: seems to work, although of course there are no updates to pull currently
21:34:02Cannolino my music doesnt play until the "up next" is filled in
21:34:06*amiconn recently read an article about mercurial, and finally managed to understand at least some advantages of mirroring whole repositories
21:34:16Cannoliand when i laod it to ram, it lags soo much when playing .flac
21:34:29Cannoliso currently i have no database, instead im doing it from the files menu
21:34:42Cannolii have a folder with all my music in it
21:34:43GodEater_so the only magic we need now is the svn post-commit hook? or is that done too ?
21:35:00amiconnHowever, git still has the problem of being cumbersome on windows. I don't need Tortoise* style, but a command line version that works at decent speed at least
21:35:14GodEater_and of course an official hostname :)
21:35:21GodEater_amiconn: stick to svn then ? :)
21:35:21Bagderamiconn: there's lots of working going on there
21:35:45Bagderno post-commit stuff yet, I haven't figured out how that's done yet
21:35:47gevaertsCannoli: is that on ipod ? Do you use things like EQ or bass boost ?
21:36:05Bagderhm that mail must be sent with it...
21:36:14Cannoliit is a 80 gb 5.5g ipod video and no
21:37:11GodEater_Bagder: yep - was just going to say that
21:37:31gevaertsCan you try checking the filesystem ? Slightly corrupted filesystems have been known to cause all sorts of problems
21:37:33Bagderok, added now
21:37:47GodEater_Bagder: excellent. Definitely award yourself a pat on the back and a beer or threee
21:37:48Bagderi even tried the command line as the correct user ;-)
21:38:17Bagderlet's see how this works after a few commits before we announce it anywhere
21:38:24GodEater_Bagder: good plan
21:39:03*GodEater_ is still pimping his bad ass bash prompt which advertises nice things when inside scm trees, like current branch / revision
21:39:23*gevaerts wants that
21:40:28*GodEater_ hopes gevaerts has a utf-8 prompt
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22:00:07Bagderthe front page text links are now gone
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22:00:47Bagdersince the will to pay like before vanished
22:01:45kugelBagder: Are you planning to change to git
22:02:14Bagderbut to provide a git mirror of the svn tree for those who like that
22:02:29kugelah cool
22:02:36GodEater_and for whom it's easier to use
22:02:44GodEater_apparently Nico can't get svn to work from his new place
22:02:47GodEater_but git works fine
22:03:02Bagderanything to please nico_p!
22:03:16GodEater_he does fix nasty bugs :)
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22:09:39AltoeckoHrrm, can anyone read this?
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22:12:06GodEater_there's nothing like patience
22:12:22PaulJamdionoea: here?
22:12:29Reemojust a question (i dont know git)
22:12:35Reemowheres the advantage of git compared to svn?
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22:12:46PaulJamyou did the md5 plugin, right?
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22:13:07AltoeckoHello everyone.
22:13:25dionoeaReemo: git is distributed so you have your own repo so you can commit locally and then push stuff to a central repo (if that's how your project works)
22:13:29dionoeagit is more powerfull
22:13:32GodEater_Reemo: did you read the page that was linked earlier
22:13:33dionoeasvn is easier
22:13:49dionoeaPaulJam: did you need some info?
22:13:57PaulJamit would be good to have a button to quit the md5sum generation. if someone accidentally selects the plugin from the plugins menu it created md5 sums from all files and you can't interrupt it.
22:14:04AltoeckoI've come in here looking for help with getting my iPod to respond to my iTrip now that I've put Rockbox on it, can someone help me with this problem?
22:14:27Reemo:D that would be awesome PaulJam, did that when just trying out some features :D
22:14:44dionoeaPaulJam: ok. I'll add that.
22:15:27PaulJami'm happy this happened to me in tha sim and not on target :)
22:16:04dionoeaYou can use the off button :p
22:16:52AltoeckoSo am I just being ignored or can no one read this? Just wondering.
22:16:54pixelmaAltoecko: you need to start into the Apple firmware for that, instructions how to should be in the manual
22:16:59AltoeckoAh there we go, thank you. :D
22:17:05AltoeckoOkay, thanks.
22:17:08pixelmaand please be a bit patient
22:17:18AltoeckoSorry, I will be.
22:17:33gevaertsAltoecko: usually if nobody answers it means that people either haven't read the question yet or don't know
22:17:52bluebrotherBagder: if you're still working on the svn server, how about adding a diffstat output to the notification mails?
22:17:56AltoeckoI figured as much, I just recently installed this IRC client and didn't know if it was working properly, that's all.
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22:22:34AltoeckoWell thank you for your help.
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22:35:59moosdionoea: that happened to me on the target, and yes the off button was the only way :)
22:37:08dionoeawhat's so attractive about "md5sum" that you guys want to try it? :)
22:37:25mooscuriosity? ;P
22:38:03LloreanWouldn't md5sum be more suited as a viewer?
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22:38:41gevaertsIt's right next to "lamp", and you don't see too well when you want that ?
22:38:48PaulJamit is a viewer too (via "open with...")
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22:38:55LloreanPaulJam: I meant only as a viewer.
22:39:02LloreanAs in, not in one of the other three categories.
22:39:18Zagorwhat good is md5sum on its' own?
22:39:22PaulJamstill a quit button would be good
22:39:55Bagderbluebrother: a good idea, but that commit mailing script is a bit scary to modify
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22:41:51bluebrotherBagder: ok. Maybe you'll get around some time ...
22:42:16Bagderyeah, I'll just have to get it locally and experiment a little
22:43:06*bluebrother likes the new preview in the wiki
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22:44:12Zagorbluebrother: thanks, I finally found the problem: faulty templates shipped with twiki!
22:45:05gevaertsYou mean you really need to do this .a release?
22:46:00*gevaerts suspects that he is confusing twiki and flyspray
22:46:20Zagorgevaerts: aha. you confused me mightily :)
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22:46:39gevaertsI only confused twiki and flyspray, not you !
22:47:21Zagor:-) yeah flyspray is next on the todo list.
22:47:37gevaertsHave fun with it :)
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23:44:41austriancoderHi all.. i have a question about the used samplerate in audiodrivers... at the moment 44100 is used as default. There exists some apis, like audiohw_set_frequency to change them (= set default value). I want to remove this api call as setting default frequency can be done in init of audiodrivers. What do you think?
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23:51:17preglowaustriancoder: hmm
23:51:25preglowaustriancoder: so we'll have to reinit the audio driver each time we want to set the sample ratE?
23:51:34preglowthat might not be very desirable
23:51:42austriancoderpreglow: at the moment we set it only once
23:51:48preglowaustriancoder: at the moment, yeah
23:52:00preglowaustriancoder: but we want to change it when it makes sense in the future
23:52:09preglowlike when a new track comes that uses a different sample rate
23:52:30preglowa full reinit might be a bit costly (time-wise) for some drivers, i think
23:52:55austriancoderokay... so I will come up with a general api method for it
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23:53:25preglowplayback/dsp needs some work before that can happen, but at least we want the audio driver side of it to make it possible
23:55:16austriancodervoid audiohw_set_sample_rate(enum Samplerates)
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23:57:16unpaidbillis ipod nano 3rd gen supported?
23:57:23preglowunpaidbill: no
23:57:31preglowonly first gen
23:57:40unpaidbilli hate apple.
23:57:44unpaidbillthanks for the reply
23:57:44pixelmaas the front page states
23:57:45preglowyou should :)
23:57:49unpaidbillyeah i looked at the front page
23:57:52unpaidbill ijust hoped it was wrong
23:58:07StroggWoot! got rockbox to build.
23:58:09*Strogg dances
23:58:26preglowaustriancoder: i wonder how it makes sense to implement that. the argument could either be an index into a table of supported rates, or it could take frequency as a parameter, and return the actual sample rate set

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