| 00:00:47 | austriancoder | preglow: I dont know too... what kind of benefit will give us option 2? Do we need to know wich sample rate was set? |
| 00:00:56 | pixelma | unpaidbill: out of curiousity - why did you think it was wrong? Or was it just hoping? |
| 00:01:08 | Strogg | Erf... wtf. I've got the stock itunes firmware on here. |
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| 00:02:06 | Strogg | hrmm.. can't load rockbox.ipod |
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| 00:02:42 | xqtftqx | Guys, HELP! can somebody send me a dual boot gigabeat s loader? |
| 00:02:54 | xqtftqx | Ive lost mine and my gigabeat wants to update |
| 00:03:11 | xqtftqx | and im unable to make one myself, the dual boot i make only loads orginal firmware |
| 00:04:13 | preglow | austriancoder: for playback, i don't think so. for recording, yes |
| 00:04:36 | preglow | austriancoder: so it might make sense to with option 1, the same code is needed anyway, it'll just be moved to a different place |
| 00:05:28 | xqtftqx | and nobody can help.. |
| 00:05:44 | preglow | i don't do gigabeat, sorry |
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| 00:06:09 | preglow | anyone here using os x for rockbox development, btw? |
| 00:06:22 | xqtftqx | Dang, i need a S loader, realy bad, my gigabeats not booting rockbox. wants to upgrade firmware |
| 00:06:44 | preglow | well, can't gelp you. did you see if there is one in the wiki? |
| 00:06:58 | xqtftqx | thats singleboot |
| 00:07:07 | xqtftqx | i need dual for charging |
| 00:07:36 | preglow | then i have no idea |
| 00:07:40 | Llorean | xqtftqx: You could try learning how to properly make the dual boot one. it looks like there are instructions. |
| 00:07:52 | xqtftqx | i dont know why but it doesnt work for me |
| 00:07:57 | xqtftqx | it only loads orginal firmware |
| 00:08:11 | xqtftqx | orginal: 12 mb rockbox: 80 mb dual: 12 mb |
| 00:09:05 | Strogg | Hrmmm.. is the rockbox.ipod supposed to go in the / of the drive or in .rockbox? |
| 00:09:15 | xqtftqx | .rockbox |
| 00:09:18 | preglow | Strogg: both, but .rockbox is recommended |
| 00:09:35 | Strogg | Hrmmm ok.. maybe that's what went wrong |
| 00:09:46 | * | Strogg sync's and reboots the pod |
| 00:10:50 | Strogg | hrmm damn. |
| 00:11:21 | Llorean | Strogg: You should just be doing make, make zip, then unzip the zip to your player. |
| 00:11:23 | Strogg | Can anyone tell me if 38A7EF0 is a bad checksum or is that device dependent? I've got an ipod colour photo. |
| 00:11:47 | Strogg | Llorean: that's what I had, though I'm updating from a really old version.. about 2 years, maybe. |
| 00:11:57 | Llorean | Strogg: Did you update your bootloader too? |
| 00:12:02 | Strogg | yeah |
| 00:12:13 | Llorean | Firstly, why are you compiling yourself? |
| 00:12:18 | xqtftqx | Strogg are you in windows? |
| 00:12:19 | Strogg | Llorean: Or do I have to use a bootloader that came with the compiled version? |
| 00:12:20 | Llorean | Have you tried simply doing a full install using the util? |
| 00:12:26 | Strogg | xqtftqx: debian testing. |
| 00:12:39 | xqtftqx | ok |
| 00:12:41 | Strogg | Llorean: I applied a patch to add a plugin.. the SGF viewer |
| 00:12:49 | Llorean | Well, try it the official way. |
| 00:12:55 | Llorean | To see if everything's working properly. |
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| 00:12:59 | Strogg | the patch applied cleanly and it built ok as well |
| 00:13:06 | Llorean | I didn't ask that. |
| 00:13:14 | Strogg | Llorean: from a release or from clean SVN? |
| 00:13:22 | Llorean | Using the utility. |
| 00:13:30 | Llorean | "The official way" as in "as described in the manual" |
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| 00:16:25 | xqtftqx | guys is sendfirm.c the compiled version? |
| 00:16:32 | xqtftqx | in utils |
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| 00:18:39 | Strogg | Ok.. I just installed the bootloader again via ipodpatcher, and it's still the same error.. |
| 00:19:23 | bertrik | xqtftqx: no, any .c file is source code |
| 00:19:34 | Strogg | Hrmm the patcher detects it as an ipod video though.. which is odd.. lemme try compiling my image as that |
| 00:19:51 | xqtftqx | Grrr!!!! Can somebody please send me a dual boot |
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| 00:20:16 | xqtftqx | i get permission denied when ever trying to do sometihng |
| 00:20:47 | austriancoder | preglow: enum SampleRate vs. int frequency |
| 00:20:54 | Llorean | Strogg: I didn't recommend doing that. Please, just try letting RBUtil install both the bootloader and the build. |
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| 00:21:25 | xqtftqx | anybody know a way to skip the firmware update? |
| 00:21:26 | Llorean | Then you can verify everything's working at least, and have a starting point. |
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| 00:21:32 | Strogg | Is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPatcher not the page I'm supposed to be going by? |
| 00:21:40 | Llorean | Strogg: As I said, the *manual* |
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| 00:21:48 | Llorean | See the link on the left side of the site that says "Manual" on every page? |
| 00:22:10 | preglow | austriancoder: i answered that after you asked last |
| 00:22:19 | Strogg | Llorean: eh.. sorry. I was going from the wiki. |
| 00:22:34 | Llorean | Strogg: The manual is the only official installation instructions |
| 00:23:19 | amiconn | austriancoder: Btw, while playback sticks to 44.1kHz atm, some plugins do set different sample rates (e.g. midiplay) |
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| 00:24:43 | xqtftqx | Back, still doesnt work |
| 00:24:48 | xqtftqx | :( help |
| 00:25:16 | Llorean | xqtftqx: .c files are source, not compiled... |
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| 00:25:45 | xqtftqx | i know, i need a dual boot version of the S loader |
| 00:27:37 | Llorean | There's not a "dual boot version of the s loader" |
| 00:27:45 | Llorean | You take an S bootloader, and an S original firmware, and merge them. |
| 00:27:52 | Llorean | Then you have an S firmware with attached bootloader. |
| 00:27:59 | Llorean | Instead of just having a bootloader. |
| 00:31:38 | Strogg | Hrmm. Ok, I mounted my ipod and ran rbutilqt.. it detects my ipod as an ipod colour. But when I click Complete install, the bootloader install fails.. in my console, stdout has a "[ERR] Model name in input file (ipco) doesn't match ipod model (ipvd)" |
| 00:32:05 | Llorean | Strogg: Delete the .rockbox folder from it, then attempt the auto-detect again. |
| 00:32:43 | Llorean | The fact that you've got a colour build on it is probably confusing things. It's pretty much certain you've got a video then. |
| 00:32:56 | Strogg | Aha. there we go. It just detected as a 5th gen now. |
| 00:33:22 | Strogg | Ok cool. that just worked. |
| 00:34:08 | * | Strogg tries rebuilding as a 5thgen now |
| 00:34:57 | Strogg | by the way.. is make clean supposed to erase the apps dir? |
| 00:36:04 | PaulJam | where do you build? in the root of the source tree? you should make a separate build dir. |
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| 00:50:20 | xqtftqx | I need a dual boot Gigabeat S loader compiled |
| 00:51:09 | markun | xqtftqx: I think you will have a better chance if you wait till it's light again in europe |
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| 00:51:56 | xqtftqx | Awww, i need it tonight to listen to music |
| 00:52:21 | amiconn | xqtftqx: Re-read what Llorean told you |
| 00:52:59 | xqtftqx | It does work for me |
| 00:53:15 | xqtftqx | doesnt* |
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| 00:54:07 | xqtftqx | Looks like im going to digg though the logs for the one somebody gave me before |
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| 01:00:09 | Strogg | Yar! it works :) |
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| 01:01:39 | dionoea | xqtftqx: dig takes only one g |
| 01:01:50 | dionoea | and good night. |
| 01:01:51 | xqtftqx | sorry |
| 01:02:01 | dionoea | Too much web 2.0 :) |
| 01:02:42 | xqtftqx | dang, i found the link to the nk.bin |
| 01:02:47 | xqtftqx | sadly, 404 |
| 01:03:20 | Llorean | xqtftqx: Seriously, it works for everyone else. You should just read the instructions more carefully, and take your time. |
| 01:03:24 | xqtftqx | i dont know why |
| 01:03:28 | xqtftqx | i get the orginal nk.bin |
| 01:03:33 | xqtftqx | and i get the rockbox bootloader |
| 01:03:37 | xqtftqx | and it doesnt work |
| 01:03:46 | xqtftqx | it will only load orginal firmware if hold switch on |
| 01:04:20 | Llorean | Uhm, there's more to it than just having the two files... |
| 01:04:24 | Llorean | Have you really read the instructions? |
| 01:04:31 | xqtftqx | Yes |
| 01:04:31 | xqtftqx | Many times |
| 01:04:51 | xqtftqx | what else do i have to do? |
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| 01:05:22 | Llorean | Merge them with mknkboot? |
| 01:05:24 | Llorean | As the instructions say? |
| 01:05:32 | xqtftqx | i did that |
| 01:05:45 | xqtftqx | mknkboot nk_orginal.bin nk_rockbox.bin nk.bin |
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| 01:06:41 | Llorean | And are you uploading with sendfirm or using the windows method? |
| 01:06:52 | xqtftqx | either or |
| 01:06:56 | xqtftqx | tried both |
| 01:07:00 | xqtftqx | i get a 12 mb file |
| 01:07:05 | Llorean | Did you compile your own mknkboot? |
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| 01:07:11 | xqtftqx | Uh no |
| 01:07:26 | Llorean | I'm kinda not believing you used sendfirm since you didn't even know the .c wasn't the executable, by the way. |
| 01:07:42 | xqtftqx | i havent tried sendfirm |
| 01:07:47 | Strogg | aside from the gradient background, the new UI is pretty nice looking |
| 01:07:57 | Strogg | rockbox has come along way since the version I was running. hehe |
| 01:08:07 | Llorean | xqtftqx: I'd recommend you try using the linux instructions completely, then. They might work better for you. |
| 01:08:10 | xqtftqx | Llorean: Can you send me a compiled sendfirm? |
| 01:08:21 | xqtftqx | to try it out, see if it works |
| 01:08:28 | Llorean | You can compile your own... |
| 01:08:35 | xqtftqx | ok... |
| 01:08:42 | webguest98 | yo can i get writing privliges from someone |
| 01:09:38 | xqtftqx | Llorean: How do i compile the mknkboot utility? |
| 01:11:02 | xqtftqx | and or get a "precompiled" binary? |
| 01:11:24 | Llorean | xqtftqx: The same way you compile anything else... |
| 01:11:53 | xqtftqx | Is there a make file? |
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| 01:14:40 | xqtftqx | nvm |
| 01:14:51 | xqtftqx | but why cant i compile sendfirm? i get tons of errors |
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| 01:15:12 | xqtftqx | i have libmtp and libusb installed |
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| 01:15:59 | Llorean | Then read the errors and start figuring out what they mean. Rockbox on the S isn't supported yet, so I assume you're intending to develop for it. Basic stuff like this, you should be able to work your way through. |
| 01:17:06 | xqtftqx | Its just wierd |
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| 01:18:27 | xqtftqx | Ah, forget it i can use single boot for the night |
| 01:18:42 | xqtftqx | Ill try back tommorow |
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| 01:26:13 | webguest98 | how do i know if it is an ipod mini 1st gen or 2nd gen? |
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| 01:37:42 | windio00 | hey the auto thing says failed to install bootloader for ipod mini 1st gen |
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| 01:38:40 | windio00 | should i try it manually? |
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| 01:40:40 | windio00 | blah ipodcatcher says it is a 2nd gen |
| 01:40:44 | windio00 | trust it? |
| 01:40:51 | windio00 | sales receipt says 1st gen |
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| 01:41:20 | xqtftqx | If anybody has a gigabeat S multiboot firmware can you please contact me |
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| 01:47:18 | pixelma | windio00: is the storage (size of the drive) engraved on the back? Also it is called ipodpatcher... |
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| 01:49:50 | windio00 | pixelma, engraved? no printed |
| 01:49:53 | windio00 | 4GB |
| 01:50:28 | pixelma | ok, then it should be a 2nd gen |
| 01:50:52 | windio00 | wow i got a 2nd gen for the price of a 1st :) |
| 01:51:07 | windio00 | $59 |
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| 01:51:42 | windio00 | how do you make it boot into apple instead? |
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| 01:52:09 | pixelma | the manual has some answers ;) |
| 01:52:19 | windio00 | in case she doesnt like it booting into my tinkering |
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| 01:55:17 | windio00 | pixelma, what apge? |
| 01:56:09 | pengo | hi :) can i have twiki access? |
| 01:56:26 | pixelma | windio00: follow the link in the left hand side of almost every Rockbox page... |
| 01:56:35 | pixelma | +menu |
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| 02:00:35 | windio00 | pixelma, is m4a supported? |
| 02:00:52 | windio00 | not sure what format that is . .. mp4? |
| 02:02:30 | |Marco| | aac |
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| 02:16:33 | windio00 | are the manuals available in more than one language? |
| 02:18:15 | windio00 | im just looking for a spanish manual for my friend |
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| 02:25:21 | Strogg | hrmmm Poop. build doesn't compile with the patch. I guess there's been changes to the plugin system since April.. |
| 02:25:28 | pengo | anyone about who i can ask for wiki access froM? |
| 02:25:31 | * | Strogg peruses the SVN for a bit |
| 02:26:01 | Strogg | I don't suppose someone has made a git tree of the svn repo, have they? |
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| 02:31:57 | saratoga | pengo: sure whats your name |
| 02:32:11 | saratoga | Strogg: check the logs about 2 or 3 hours ago when they did just that |
| 02:32:18 | pengo | saratoga: PeterHalasz |
| 02:32:34 | * | Strogg pages up |
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| 02:34:48 | saratoga | pengo: ok added |
| 02:35:09 | pengo | saratoga: thanks! |
| 02:35:34 | Strogg | Awesome! |
| 02:35:37 | Strogg | saratoga: thanks :) |
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| 02:36:05 | Strogg | I always feel bad about git cloning a large svn repo.. but I always feel worse about using svn. hehe |
| 02:38:48 | kugel | Strogg: You kinda couldn't have a better timing asking for a git mirror repo |
| 02:39:00 | Strogg | indeed. hehe |
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| 02:44:41 | shadoxx | How hard is it to decrypt the .mi4 files? I have a player here that I'd like to try to start a port of Rockbox to. |
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| 02:47:52 | saratoga | shadoxx: pretty easy I think |
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| 02:48:08 | shadoxx | Any utils I should know about? |
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| 02:50:44 | saratoga | i think theres some tool for it, google for the page describing it |
| 02:51:02 | saratoga | it being the mi4 firmware format |
| 02:53:01 | shadoxx | trying to find a copy of the firmware to download real quick. there's an .mi4 file on the device, but i don't know about it |
| 02:53:30 | saratoga | what device is it? |
| 02:54:47 | shadoxx | Samsung YH-820 |
| 02:55:15 | shadoxx | It's based on the Portal Player SoC. Everything I've read says it's the same chip that's in the ipod minis, and some iRiver devices. |
| 02:55:29 | shadoxx | I'm looking for a PCB scan so I won't have to take mine apart. :3 |
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| 02:58:16 | shadoxx | Btw, anyone that remembers me. Woot! is sending me out a new Sansa c250. :D So I should have rockbox on that soon. |
| 02:58:32 | shadoxx | Looks like either the RAM chip or Flash chip was crappy. |
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| 03:03:04 | usedrugs | anyone here? |
| 03:03:35 | usedrugs | i want to charge my Iriver ihp-40 but it wants a 5 volt DC input |
| 03:03:41 | usedrugs | i only have 4.5 and 6 volt adapters |
| 03:04:13 | usedrugs | will these damage the iriver? if so which will damage it less? |
| 03:04:24 | shadoxx | Use the 4.5 volt. |
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| 03:04:36 | shadoxx | Better to charge it with something undervolted than overvolted |
| 03:04:41 | usedrugs | yeah? |
| 03:04:46 | shadoxx | It may just charge a little slower. |
| 03:04:47 | usedrugs | will it hurt the battery? |
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| 03:05:14 | shadoxx | It might |
| 03:05:18 | usedrugs | hmm |
| 03:05:21 | soap | the odds are much higher that overvoltage will cause harm than undervoltage, though a cautious person would just buy the right adapter. |
| 03:05:29 | shadoxx | ^ |
| 03:05:32 | usedrugs | yeah |
| 03:05:40 | usedrugs | i lost my first one and broke my second one |
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| 03:06:18 | usedrugs | and now i have a variable one that i thought would do the trick but it only has the settings 4.5 and 6 |
| 03:06:22 | usedrugs | and the iriver wnats 5 ;( |
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| 03:07:41 | usedrugs | yikes, google says: |
| 03:07:42 | usedrugs | fried MP3 player iHP140. Hi i plugged a 6 volt charger into my 5 volt unit for several hours. the unit became very warm and now doesn't work. Does anybody know is it repairable. is there a fuse , will a new battery do it. is there a way of getting my music off the mp3. |
| 03:07:47 | usedrugs | from some forum |
| 03:07:51 | usedrugs | wow i'm glad i asked first |
| 03:09:01 | shadoxx | Yeah, never go over when it comes to electricity. You could end up frying your device. |
| 03:09:09 | shadoxx | That goes with pretty much anything. |
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| 03:09:18 | usedrugs | good to know |
| 03:09:33 | usedrugs | i was worried that going under might hurt it more ... somethign to do with battery 'memory' and it not filling all the way |
| 03:09:42 | usedrugs | clearly i have no idea how electronics work eh |
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| 03:11:16 | guest45 | usedrugs: when you want to use a different than the original charger for your H140 take care that it matches EXACTLY those of the original charger. i think most damaged H100s were because of wrong chargers. |
| 03:11:29 | usedrugs | oh ;( |
| 03:11:59 | guest45 | i think there is a thread on misticriver.net about possible alternative chargers. |
| 03:12:00 | usedrugs | well at this point it's either use a 4.5 volt charger or leave my h140 in the closet where it's been for months |
| 03:12:38 | usedrugs | well most adapters cost $20 or so which is fine but i live in japan so shipping is like $40 on top of that.. i just cant justify that, even for my old beloved warhorse |
| 03:13:02 | usedrugs | not again anyway. i've already gone through 2 adapters. |
| 03:13:09 | usedrugs | the 2nd one broke on a recent trip |
| 03:14:10 | guest45 | i think i read that the charger of the PSP matches the iriver charger quite closely. that might be available in japan. |
| 03:14:23 | soap | ok, usedrugs, this has gone far enough off-topic. Please no more. |
| 03:14:35 | usedrugs | are you serious? |
| 03:14:41 | soap | yea, I am |
| 03:14:43 | usedrugs | talking about music devices is off topic for #rockbox? |
| 03:14:48 | soap | yes, it is. |
| 03:15:00 | soap | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines |
| 03:15:12 | usedrugs | okay proceed with your conversation. |
| 03:15:16 | usedrugs | oh yeah you're not having one. |
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| 03:15:22 | usedrugs | so what's the problem mate. |
| 03:15:42 | soap | logged channel, read by the people who do the actual work, don't need all this clutter. |
| 03:15:56 | usedrugs | fine. was done talking about it anyway. |
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| 03:28:42 | shadoxx | haha. holy crap. mi4tool decrypted the default firmware for the YH-820 with no problems what-so-ever |
| 03:29:02 | TimothyWynn | When using Cygwin (I hope I spelled that right), how do you change the sapi5 voice |
| 03:29:19 | TimothyWynn | I couldn't find it anywhere on teh wiki. |
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| 03:32:04 | shadoxx | OK, question. How would I got about grabbing files out of the .mi4 file? Specifically the .rom file |
| 03:38:18 | shadoxx | Hmm. I'd like to say this should be easy, but I'll refrain, considering I have no prior experience doing this. |
| 03:40:25 | JdGordon | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
| 03:41:47 | shadoxx | Yeah, I'm on that site. :D |
| 03:42:59 | shadoxx | hmm, looks like the manufacturer's firmware can be decoded with mi4tool, but the Janus firmware can't |
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| 03:50:33 | Strogg | Woot! Victory! |
| 03:50:42 | Strogg | I can replay Go games on my ipod now. hehe |
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| 04:41:44 | Llorean | It's as relevant as viewing the playlist itself. |
| 04:41:59 | Llorean | MUCH more relevant than a "Main Menu" option when there's already a button to go immediately to it. |
| 04:42:03 | pengo | so what are "recent bookmarks"? |
| 04:42:15 | pengo | it's retarted |
| 04:42:18 | Llorean | Recent bookmarks are all recently saved bookmarks. |
| 04:42:19 | pengo | with a d |
| 04:42:29 | Llorean | Have you never read the manual? |
| 04:42:39 | Llorean | Rockbox has an awful lot of features. |
| 04:42:41 | pengo | yeah i just did and it doesn't say that |
| 04:43:15 | Llorean | As well, Playlist Catalog allows you to add the currently playing song to multiple playlists |
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| 04:43:22 | Llorean | It obviously belongs within the context menu, if you'd ever used it. |
| 04:44:27 | pengo | Llorean: no, as I said. What's "View Catalog" do? |
| 04:44:42 | Llorean | I believe it views the catalog of playlists... |
| 04:45:27 | pengo | are there multiple catalogs? |
| 04:45:37 | Llorean | I don't know what you mean. |
| 04:45:57 | pengo | there is a single catalog of playlists then? |
| 04:46:02 | Llorean | Yes... |
| 04:46:08 | pengo | so why is it in a context menu? |
| 04:46:25 | Llorean | Because you are selecting the current song, which can then be added to any of the playlists within the catalog. |
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| 04:46:35 | Strogg | Llorean: thanks for the help earlier. got things working :) |
| 04:46:50 | pengo | Llorean: what about viewing the catalog? |
| 04:46:52 | Strogg | later this week, I'll give a shot and porting this patch to HEAD |
| 04:47:04 | Llorean | pengo: What about viewing it? |
| 04:47:06 | Llorean | You can. |
| 04:47:22 | pengo | Llorean: why is viewing the catalog a contextual thing? |
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| 04:48:24 | Llorean | pengo: Because it's a sub-item of the existing menu. |
| 04:48:50 | Llorean | Also, within the context of playback, you may wish to quickly change to another playlist, this makes it quite easy. |
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| 04:49:17 | Llorean | The whole point of the playlist catalog is to give easy access to adding to, or playing, your playlists. Both quite relevant to the context of playback. |
| 04:49:27 | pengo | Llorean: they're not contextual reasons. "to get to it quickly" is a poor reason. |
| 04:49:43 | Llorean | Adding the current song isn't contextual? |
| 04:50:00 | Llorean | How is "Main Menu" in any way contextual then? |
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| 04:50:13 | Llorean | Your only justification for it being there is "I can't be bothered with two buttons, so want to break the UI design" |
| 04:50:29 | soap | forums acting up for others, or just me? |
| 04:50:39 | Llorean | soap: Same here, but they're back |
| 04:50:54 | pengo | Llorean: dude i'm not going to bother because this is just being argumentative. sorry. thanks for you help. |
| 04:50:56 | vegaman | hi, got a problem with the current build on my ipod (4th gen photo)... not sure if this is the right place? |
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| 04:51:21 | JdGordon | vegaman: wierd colours? |
| 04:51:42 | vegaman | yup, and now it's crashed and I can't get it to restart |
| 04:52:11 | pengo | so when you "create bookmark" is that attached to the current playlist? |
| 04:52:22 | Llorean | pengo: It's associated with the current playlist. |
| 04:52:42 | pengo | but "recent bookmarks" are not? |
| 04:52:54 | Llorean | Recent bookmarks are not associated with a single playlist |
| 04:53:08 | Llorean | It's an aggregation of a certain number of the last saved bookmarks for any playlists. |
| 04:53:24 | JdGordon | vegaman: to restart... hold down menu and select |
| 04:53:28 | pengo | thanks. |
| 04:53:48 | JdGordon | bookmarks should be removed... |
| 04:53:50 | Llorean | pengo: I'd strongly recommend trying the features, and spending some time using them, before suggesting they be repositioned. |
| 04:54:09 | Llorean | A familiarity with how they work, what they're for, and what you can do with them, will help greatly. |
| 04:54:13 | vegaman | JdGordon: yeah, I know how to restart... there must be something wrong with the mp3 I'm trying to play that's making it crash |
| 04:54:32 | vegaman | JdGordon: but it was restarting with the last build I was using, and I can't get it to with this one |
| 04:54:48 | JdGordon | which was the last one? |
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| 04:55:04 | vegaman | will try a few more times, the buttons stick sometimes |
| 04:55:04 | Llorean | JdGordon: Bookmarks should be redone from scratch as an extension of the playlist system. |
| 04:55:07 | pengo | Llorean: i've been using bookmarks for yonks. I just dont use playlists. |
| 04:55:36 | vegaman | not quite sure, it was revision 16*** though I think, haven't updated for a while |
| 04:55:46 | JdGordon | Llorean: yes and no... if they are merged in with the playlist system, then they can be removed in favour of the playlist cataloge |
| 04:55:54 | Llorean | pengo: And yet you weren't aware the recent bookmarks list shows bookmarks from all playlists, rather than just the current playlist? |
| 04:55:59 | JdGordon | vegaman: ok then... thats AGES ago |
| 04:56:10 | pengo | Llorean: like i said, i dont use playlists. |
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| 04:56:19 | pengo | Llorean: i assumed thats what it'd do |
| 04:56:21 | vegaman | JdGordon: restarted at last... so the colours is a known regression? |
| 04:56:35 | Llorean | pengo: There's always a playlist. Even if it's just a "folder", it's treated as one, and they still work the same awy |
| 04:56:51 | pengo | Llorean: i should say i dont use multiple playlists then |
| 04:57:15 | Llorean | Still, recommending features you don't use to be moved is somewhat iffy, I think. |
| 04:57:16 | JdGordon | vegaman: yeah, unfortunalty... it will be fixed soonish hopefully |
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| 04:57:34 | vegaman | cool, thanks |
| 04:58:23 | pengo | Llorean: i use bookmarks. |
| 04:59:03 | Llorean | pengo: You don't use the differences between the Recent Bookmarks and the List Bookmarks options, though |
| 04:59:12 | Llorean | Nor did you take the time to investigate if there were any before making recommendations on them. |
| 04:59:16 | Llorean | You could've simply asked first. |
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| 05:00:03 | pengo | Llorean: the reasons you've given still don't justify the confusion of how they're layed out. |
| 05:00:05 | Llorean | Instead, it seems you assumed that someone had made a mistake by deciding "List Bookmarks" was context-relevant. |
| 05:00:28 | Llorean | They're absolutely in the correct place. "Recent Bookmarks" is independent of what's playing. |
| 05:00:35 | Llorean | "List Bookmarks" is dependent on what's playing |
| 05:00:45 | Llorean | The first is context-independent, the second depends on the context. |
| 05:01:29 | pengo | Llorean: so there's a problem |
| 05:01:37 | pengo | because it's not at all clear from the menu |
| 05:02:11 | Llorean | So the problem is that "I can't make the leap from 'it's in the context menu' to 'it depends on the context"? |
| 05:02:29 | Llorean | There's not really a more explicit name than "List Bookmarks" that can be used. |
| 05:02:42 | Llorean | Perhaps "Playlist Bookmarks" |
| 05:02:42 | pengo | it could be in the playlists sub-menu |
| 05:02:50 | Llorean | It doesn't depend on a playlist file |
| 05:03:03 | Llorean | It depends on the in-ram playlist, based on either a playlist file, or the current folder. |
| 05:03:09 | pengo | hmm |
| 05:03:29 | pengo | and how is the user meant to know tihs? |
| 05:03:43 | Llorean | Why do they need to? |
| 05:03:43 | pengo | the manual doesn't go into that detail. |
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| 05:03:58 | pengo | because they need to know it to know where to look for their bookmark menus |
| 05:04:08 | Llorean | The manual lists *where* they are, certainly |
| 05:04:21 | pengo | but it's nonsensicle |
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| 05:04:53 | Llorean | The context-sensitive option is in the context menu, while the context-independent isn't, and this is nonsensical? |
| 05:05:00 | pengo | anyway. it's dependent on the Current Playlist, yes? so why not in that submenu? |
| 05:05:16 | pengo | WPS > context menu > Playlist > View bookmarks |
| 05:06:07 | Llorean | Now you're going in circles |
| 05:06:44 | Llorean | Bookmarks are NOT a playlisting option. |
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| 05:08:29 | pengo | they're just associated with the current playlist |
| 05:08:31 | pengo | ? |
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| 05:08:41 | Llorean | They're associated with what's playing. |
| 05:08:51 | pengo | which is called the "current playlist" |
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| 05:08:55 | pengo | ? |
| 05:09:15 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 05:09:22 | Llorean | But bookmarks are a separate set of functionality |
| 05:09:34 | Llorean | The "Playlist" menu is for manipulation of a playlist. |
| 05:09:59 | pengo | no |
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| 05:10:23 | pengo | not the WPS playlist options.. View Current Playlist, Search in Playlist, Save Current Playlist, Reshuffle |
| 05:10:37 | Llorean | Yes, "View" allows you to remove or move songs. |
| 05:10:41 | Llorean | "Search" allows you to find a song |
| 05:10:50 | Llorean | Save is obviously a manipulation as it is creation. |
| 05:10:53 | Llorean | reshuffle, manipulation again. |
| 05:11:14 | pengo | mm k |
| 05:11:21 | Llorean | The only non-manipulation feature is that from View/Search you can simply play the song you get to. |
| 05:11:34 | Llorean | But in all, it's a tool for working with and on your playlist. |
| 05:11:45 | Llorean | Bookmarking is a playback option, it just uses the current playlist. |
| 05:12:02 | pengo | when are your bookmarks lost? |
| 05:12:10 | Llorean | When you delete them. |
| 05:12:41 | pengo | why are bookmarks not universal (not associated with a playlist) ? |
| 05:12:48 | pengo | a/the |
| 05:12:54 | Llorean | There is no such thing as "no playlist" in Rockbox. |
| 05:13:04 | Llorean | When you play a folder, there's a playlist in RAM for that folder. |
| 05:13:07 | pengo | why are bookmarks not universal (not associated with the current playlist) ? |
| 05:13:14 | Llorean | You already asked that. |
| 05:13:23 | Llorean | What do you mean by it? |
| 05:13:55 | pengo | hang on i'll check the behavior my device.... |
| 05:14:11 | Llorean | Bookmarks either resume a point in a playlist file, OR in a folder. |
| 05:14:14 | Llorean | They don't require a playlist file. |
| 05:14:32 | pengo | so what does it mean for them to be associated with the current playlist? |
| 05:14:39 | Llorean | The in-RAM playlist |
| 05:14:43 | pengo | yes |
| 05:14:46 | Llorean | When you play a folder, somewhere Rockbox has to keep track of the songs |
| 05:14:53 | Llorean | Thus, there is a virtual playlist. |
| 05:14:57 | pengo | yes i got that.. that's what i meant by "current playlist" |
| 05:15:15 | Llorean | They're "associated" with this in the sense that both the in-RAM playlist, and the list of files the bookmark references come from the same source: the list in the folder |
| 05:15:50 | pengo | so when you open a "new playlist" (a new folder) you lose your bookmarks? |
| 05:16:01 | Llorean | Why on Earth would you? |
| 05:16:13 | Llorean | Playlists are saved in a file, that references the folder they were created off of |
| 05:16:19 | Llorean | They'll work as long as you don't delete or move that folder. |
| 05:16:24 | Llorean | Er, Bookmarks, in that second sentence. |
| 05:16:40 | pengo | ok |
| 05:17:10 | pengo | i'm still confused as to why bookmarks are context related |
| 05:17:24 | Llorean | How can you be confused by this? |
| 05:17:37 | Llorean | The "List Bookmarks" only lists the bookmarks on the folder or playlist you are currently playing |
| 05:17:44 | Llorean | Therefor the list depends entirely on the context. |
| 05:18:01 | Llorean | It changes, based on context (based on what you choose to play) |
| 05:18:43 | pengo | ok |
| 05:19:02 | atrus | but if you playlist is in ram, and your bookmark is for that, and you discard your ram playlist by playing something else, the bookmark goes with it? |
| 05:19:17 | Llorean | atrus: No. |
| 05:19:40 | Llorean | The bookmarks either reference a *file* playlist, or a *folder* |
| 05:19:46 | atrus | hrm. so if the dynamic playlist dissapears, what playlist do you open to get at the bookmark again? |
| 05:19:53 | Llorean | If you aren't playing from a file playlist, or a single folder, you cannot bookmark. |
| 05:20:02 | atrus | ahh |
| 05:20:30 | Llorean | It's a limitation of the current playlisting system. |
| 05:20:43 | Llorean | The only real fix would be to have bookmarks contain a playlist (or playlists contain bookmarks) |
| 05:20:57 | atrus | Llorean: that clears that up, i was actually trying to figure out where the "add bookmark" option went a while ago, and thought maybe it had been moved in the last rockbox version update |
| 05:20:58 | Llorean | This is the same reason why you can't bookmark from the database without saving a playlist. |
| 05:21:54 | atrus | so if i open a playlist from the catalog, and insert songs, then it's no longer an on-disk playlist, and i can't bookmark anything, correct? |
| 05:22:09 | pengo | Llorean: ah the confusion is that i assumed the bookmarks were discarded, when they're just "hidden", when you change folders/playlists |
| 05:22:38 | Llorean | atrus: If you save it, it should be fine. |
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| 05:23:28 | atrus | Llorean: what about opening a playlist and then _queuing_ files? |
| 05:23:51 | Llorean | Haven't tried it. |
| 05:24:10 | Llorean | The bookmark functionality is old. And partially it's based on an assumption that you're listening to something sequential and static. |
| 05:24:58 | atrus | i'm virtually always using a dynamic playlist, initialized from disk and then with extra things thrown in on the fly |
| 05:25:21 | Llorean | Why would you need to bookmark one? |
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| 05:25:33 | pengo | Llorean: why aren't there universal bookmarks (other than "recent bookmarks")? |
| 05:26:02 | Llorean | pengo: I don't know what you mean by "universal", "recent bookmarks" isn't universal either by my definition of it, since it still has the same "directory or playlist" restriction |
| 05:26:11 | atrus | Llorean: generally, if i'm in that situation, in the middle of a song, and then switch to listing to a podcast, and want to come back to the same set up. |
| 05:26:23 | atrus | in which case i guess i should be saving a temporary playlist to flash or something. |
| 05:26:24 | pengo | Llorean: so "recent bookmarks" should be in the context menu then? |
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| 05:26:45 | Llorean | pengo: Why? It's a list of ALL recent bookmarks, not just the ones from the last folder/playlist. |
| 05:27:04 | Llorean | You keep jumping from point to point, without answering my questions. What do you mean by "universal"? |
| 05:27:15 | atrus | i guess the idea of a "universal" bookmark would be that you look at a bookmark that's not neccesarilly associated with the current playlist/folder, and opening it would open the corresponding playlist/folder? |
| 05:27:33 | pengo | Llorean: well that's what i mean by universal.. not restricted to a playlist/folder context.. like firefox's bookmarks |
| 05:27:38 | atrus | like "bookmarks" in firefox. |
| 05:27:39 | atrus | hah |
| 05:27:42 | pengo | jinx |
| 05:27:51 | Llorean | You can always load the bookmarks for a given folder. |
| 05:27:54 | Llorean | They're stored there. |
| 05:28:01 | Llorean | They don't disappear. |
| 05:28:26 | Llorean | The "recent" list tracks recent ones. Otherwise you just browse to them rather than accessing them through a menu structure. |
| 05:28:26 | atrus | right, but there's no menu for them short of navigating the filesystem |
| 05:28:28 | pengo | Llorean: yeah i was confused about that before. So bookmarks are physically stored in each folder? |
| 05:28:32 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 05:28:54 | pengo | well i think they need different names |
| 05:29:00 | Llorean | Different names? |
| 05:29:04 | Llorean | From what, "Bookmarks"? |
| 05:29:19 | atrus | this bookmark behavior is very non-obvious to someone who's used to web browser bookmarks |
| 05:29:30 | atrus | it's certainly had me confused for a couple years now :) |
| 05:29:42 | JdGordon_ | how is it different? |
| 05:29:47 | Llorean | atrus: It's very internally consistent. |
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| 05:29:58 | Llorean | As long as you know the relatively simple rules, it works fine. |
| 05:30:06 | pengo | JdGordon_: because the bookmark i made while listening to James Brown is no longer listed when I go to listen to Beastie Boys |
| 05:30:11 | Llorean | It's not perfect, but the problem is the bookmarking system predates database. |
| 05:30:36 | Llorean | pengo: You're in the CONTEXT MENU. Why would you assume universal bookmarks there? |
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| 05:30:45 | pengo | Llorean: note that you've just spent half an hour explaining these "simple" rules to me :) |
| 05:30:59 | Llorean | pengo: No, I spent half an hour trying to explain unrelated things |
| 05:31:09 | Llorean | The two rules are simple: You can only bookmark a folder or a static playlist. |
| 05:31:16 | pengo | Llorean: Because the context is a song, not obviously an in-ram playlist |
| 05:31:52 | pengo | the rules suck |
| 05:31:57 | Llorean | pengo: Uhm? You mean to you the context is "music is playing" and therefor all entries in the menu should be the same as long as "music is playing" is true? |
| 05:32:12 | atrus | if i visit rockbox.org and then click on flyspray and open a bug, and then bookmark that bug, it appears in my bookmarks. it still appears in my bookmarks when i go to slashdot.org. rockbox would say i have to go back to rockbox.org to see the bookmark again.... if i understand correctly |
| 05:32:29 | pengo | atrus: yes. |
| 05:32:39 | Llorean | atrus: No, you're still in one context, "the internet" |
| 05:32:56 | Llorean | Rockbox's method would say "if you got off the internet, and got on internet2, all internet bookmarks would not be there" |
| 05:33:00 | atrus | Llorean: my context in rockbox is "playing mp3s on my mp3 player" :) |
| 05:33:09 | pengo | Llorean: context of the song playing.. e.g. the sorts of things I expect are "rate this song" "delete this song" "bookmark this song" |
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| 05:33:21 | Llorean | pengo: "Bookmarks for this song" |
| 05:33:46 | Llorean | IE, if you play a single long track, say a podcast, you can have several bookmarks within the one file. |
| 05:34:18 | atrus | i think this is deserving of some kind of survey/poll to find out what percentage of rockbox users understand these rules, because i doubt they're getting used the way the designers expected :) |
| 05:34:34 | Llorean | Designers use them the way we expected. |
| 05:35:02 | Llorean | And frankly, they're not designing for anyone else but themselves. They contribute 100% of the work ,they define 100% of "the way things ought to work" |
| 05:35:15 | pengo | Llorean: the rules would be clear if "bookmarks" was under the "Current playlist" menu (which is currently just called "Playlist") |
| 05:35:25 | pengo | or at least a little clearer |
| 05:35:29 | Llorean | pengo: The whole context menu is either "current song" or "current playlist" contextual... |
| 05:36:06 | Llorean | Bookmarks happen to be relevant to both contexts. |
| 05:36:20 | Llorean | It's rather clear that, being in the context menu, it's not referring to "all bookmarks everywhere on your player" |
| 05:36:28 | Llorean | If there were an option for that, it wouldn't belong in the context menu |
| 05:36:29 | pengo | Llorean: what does "delete" do in the WPS context menu? |
| 05:36:37 | Llorean | Deletes the currently playing song from disk |
| 05:36:42 | pengo | Llorean: not from the playlist |
| 05:36:44 | Llorean | No. |
| 05:36:46 | pengo | so the context is not clear |
| 05:36:50 | atrus | i suppose the literal bookmark analogy makes some sense. you take a book off your shelf, and browse the bookmarks in it, then put it back and open a different book with different bookmarks |
| 05:37:13 | pengo | if there were bookmarks PER SONG it would make sense.. but there are multiple contexts which are confused |
| 05:37:37 | Llorean | pengo: The BOOKMARKS option is relevant to the SONG AND PLAYLIST. Delete is relevant to the SONG. "Playlists" would be bad because Bookmarks is NOT JUST A PLAYLIST OPTION |
| 05:37:40 | Llorean | How can I say this any clearer? |
| 05:38:10 | Llorean | If you play a single song, you can still place bookmarks within it. |
| 05:38:36 | atrus | oh, that reminds me of something else that was bugging me. how do you play just a single song? |
| 05:38:53 | Llorean | atrus: If it's not alone in a folder, while music is stopped, "Insert" it |
| 05:39:17 | atrus | Llorean: doesn't "insert" add it to the existing dynamic playlist though? |
| 05:39:26 | Llorean | If music is stopped, there is no "existing" playlist |
| 05:39:34 | atrus | erm, how do you stop, as opposed to just pausing? |
| 05:39:37 | pengo | Llorean: i understand how it works, but it's hugely unintuitive |
| 05:39:44 | Llorean | atrus: Depends on your player, covered in the manual |
| 05:39:56 | Llorean | pengo: For you possibly. While I didn't design the system, it made perfect sense to me, rather immediately. |
| 05:40:16 | pengo | Llorean: how did you learn that bookmarks were playlist sensitive? |
| 05:40:38 | Llorean | What, exactly, do you mean by "playlist sensitive"? |
| 05:40:56 | Llorean | I've tried to explain a few times now they don't depend on the existence of a playlist. |
| 05:40:59 | pengo | Llorean: that when you open a new playlist your bookmarks would disappear until you re-opened that playlist/folder |
| 05:41:08 | Llorean | I assumed it would be that way |
| 05:41:14 | Llorean | They were, after all, in the context menu. |
| 05:41:30 | Llorean | I assumed that they were within the context of "what is being played" |
| 05:41:49 | pengo | ok |
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| 05:42:45 | pengo | you know "Bookmark this page" is in firefox's context menu when you right-click a page |
| 05:43:08 | Llorean | And that's totally irrelevant. |
| 05:43:21 | Llorean | Web browsers and music players are rather different types of software. |
| 05:43:48 | pengo | just sayaing, the bookmarks could work the same way |
| 05:44:19 | Llorean | So, "remove the ability to easily see the bookmarks in the current playlist in favour of a giant intermixed list of bookmarks almost impossible to navigate"? |
| 05:45:03 | Llorean | I mean, if you think you know a better way to do it, feel free to submit a patch. |
| 05:45:09 | Llorean | If it's good enough, it'll be accepted. |
| 05:45:23 | Llorean | But until the option does something different, the current option is unarguably context sensitive. |
| 05:45:26 | pengo | Llorean: you could have both |
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| 05:54:11 | james | hey |
| 05:54:18 | james | can i ask a question |
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| 05:54:43 | Guest56485 | does anyone know how to put videos on ipod nano |
| 05:54:50 | Guest56485 | using the mpeg player |
| 05:55:44 | Guest56485 | is anyone out there |
| 05:55:49 | pengo | Llorean: thanks for your time all the same |
| 05:56:07 | Guest56485 | can some one help me plz |
| 05:56:22 | Guest56485 | i got rockbox on my ipod nano |
| 05:56:53 | Guest56485 | hello |
| 05:56:57 | Guest56485 | fne fuck yall |
| 05:57:34 | [1]cool_walking_ | Guest56485, you're not going to get any help that way. |
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| 05:58:56 | vegaman | wow... people are rude |
| 05:58:57 | ipod | hey |
| 05:59:06 | ipod | can someone help me |
| 05:59:19 | ipod | i got rockbox on my ipod nano |
| 05:59:40 | ipod | and im trying to put videos on it using mpeg player |
| 05:59:44 | MU{lappy} | and i'd imagine we're seeing the same fellow again. *sigh*. |
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| 06:00:05 | ipod | well if someone would help me |
| 06:00:28 | Llorean | ipod: 1) Not everyone is around. 2) Not everyone around knows the answer. |
| 06:00:29 | [1]cool_walking_ | ipod, as it says in the IRC guidelines, which are linked in the channel topic, don't "ask to ask". Just ask a question. You also have to be *much* more patient than you're being. |
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| 06:01:14 | MU{lappy} | and swearing at people when you don't get an immediate answer doesn't make them want to help. even if they were looking for the appropriate link already. |
| 06:01:16 | ipod | well if someone could at least help me |
| 06:01:46 | Llorean | ipod: If you were polite, respectful, and had some patience, you might get more help. |
| 06:01:59 | Llorean | As well, if you took a little time to read the PluginMpegplayer page, you might not need help in the first place. |
| 06:02:00 | vegaman | yeah, things can take a while on irc... an explaining transcoding video on irc would take me too long... I think there may be suggestions in the tools section on the site |
| 06:02:01 | ipod | i been working on this a long time |
| 06:02:33 | ipod | ok can u link it to me |
| 06:02:39 | MU{lappy} | ipod: you put a video in the appropriate format on your player, and open it in the file browser |
| 06:02:41 | vegaman | not tools, I forget, I'll have a quick look, see if I can find the right sections |
| 06:02:42 | MU{lappy} | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 06:03:03 | ipod | the vids are only showing up half of the screen |
| 06:03:33 | vegaman | probably not the right resolution |
| 06:04:13 | ipod | so what program would i use to get it to the right res |
| 06:04:40 | [1]cool_walking_ | Use one of the encoders listed on that wiki page that MU{lappy} linked. |
| 06:04:40 | Llorean | ipod: The page he linked has many options |
| 06:04:57 | vegaman | the page MU linked above has all the info you need, about what resolution you need, and the options etc. |
| 06:04:58 | ipod | thanx srry for being an ass |
| 06:05:26 | shadoxx | is there an article on the wiki that tells how you replace the bootloader on the ipod? i'm not finding it if there is |
| 06:05:43 | shadoxx | Or even where it's located. |
| 06:05:51 | shadoxx | The bootloader that is. |
| 06:06:09 | Llorean | shadoxx: Why do you want to replace it? |
| 06:06:44 | shadoxx | Well, I'm researching on how I would get Rockbox to work on the Samsung YH-820, but I can't seem to find the bootloader on it. |
| 06:07:09 | shadoxx | It has the same Portal Player chip that the 4G iPod has, so I'm assuming they update the bootloader the same way. |
| 06:07:20 | shadoxx | was just gonna look into it |
| 06:07:30 | MU{lappy} | shadoxx: that's not necessarily true :/ |
| 06:07:43 | shadoxx | MU{lappy}: what isn't? |
| 06:08:10 | MU{lappy} | that it would work substantially the same as iPod 4G |
| 06:08:34 | Llorean | shadoxx: In fact, since it uses an mi4 file, it almost certainly doesn't work the same |
| 06:08:56 | shadoxx | I know. Couldn't hurt to check though. From what I can gather, Samsung has made it to once you upgrade to their 'Janus' firmware, you can't go back to any older versions. |
| 06:09:30 | shadoxx | I haven't really put it on my windows box yet to confirm that, this is just preliminary research. |
| 06:09:37 | ipod | so hey im useing win ff |
| 06:09:51 | ipod | what presetting do i use |
| 06:11:21 | vegaman | I haven't used it, but it sounds like it should have an ipod nano option? |
| 06:11:33 | ipod | no ipod nano option |
| 06:11:41 | ipod | so what do i do |
| 06:12:05 | ipod | nvmind |
| 06:12:12 | ipod | i feel dumbnow |
| 06:12:13 | ipod | lol |
| 06:12:36 | ipod | goddamn i spent all day |
| 06:12:49 | ipod | for something i could have done easy as hell |
| 06:13:00 | [1]cool_walking_ | ipod: make sure you choose the "RB ipod nano" option, not the "XviD ipod". |
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| 06:13:14 | ipod | i did |
| 06:13:21 | ipod | imma try it and see if it work |
| 06:13:36 | ipod | will it convert any format |
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| 06:14:06 | vegaman | it should support a lot of formats, but probably not all |
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| 06:15:06 | ipod | hey |
| 06:15:18 | ipod | do u guys know how to make it full screen |
| 06:15:32 | ipod | as oppoesed to wide screen |
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| 06:16:27 | vegaman | it depends the resolution you use, you'd have to stretch the video to make it full screen though |
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| 06:16:40 | ipod | how would ido that |
| 06:16:49 | ipod | or would it make it blocky |
| 06:16:59 | vegaman | umm... I'll download winff to have a look |
| 06:17:11 | ipod | thanks man |
| 06:17:19 | vegaman | it would change the aspect ratio, so things would be stretched |
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| 06:17:51 | ipod | what would i change it to |
| 06:18:39 | vegaman | the full resolution of the ipod nano is 176x132 so that would be the resolution to use if you don't mind stretching |
| 06:19:09 | ipod | ok why doent it support full screen |
| 06:19:13 | ipod | ? |
| 06:19:58 | vegaman | the mpegplayer in rockbox? |
| 06:20:15 | ipod | yea |
| 06:21:11 | vegaman | it just plays the video at whatever size it is, if the video is full screen size, you'll get full screen, but scaling a smaller video would take too |
| 06:21:25 | vegaman | much cpu power, which isn't available in an ipod |
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| 06:21:49 | ipod | so in winff what do ido for full screen just change the res |
| 06:22:00 | MU{lappy} | i don't think many of these targets offer any hardware scaling, at least any that's documented so that RB can use it |
| 06:23:10 | vegaman | yeah, the normal ipod video players would probably expect the video to be the right size as well... don't know for certain though |
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| 06:23:58 | ipod | what is with apple why dont they just support the vid s on nano 1st gen |
| 06:24:36 | [1]cool_walking_ | Ask them? Likely they do the least amount of work necessary to get the thing sold. |
| 06:24:42 | MU{lappy} | so you'll buy a newer one? ;) |
| 06:25:04 | ipod | well idk the screen is so damn small |
| 06:25:20 | MU{lappy} | also, if they want to support the same formats on everything (they like AVC/AAC iirc?), it might not be feasible. |
| 06:25:36 | vegaman | the newer ipods probably have hardware decoders or acceleration so it's not so much work to get videos playing at all |
| 06:25:39 | MU{lappy} | mpeg2 video / mp3 audio is *much* easier to decode. |
| 06:25:52 | ipod | really |
| 06:25:55 | ipod | why is that |
| 06:26:08 | [1]cool_walking_ | It's a less CPU-intensive codec. |
| 06:26:28 | vegaman | the player in rockbox is heavily optimised so it actually *can* play video, since these targets weren't designed for it |
| 06:26:31 | MU{lappy} | and this really needs to go to #rockbox-community |
| 06:26:51 | ipod | well hey i cant get my vid full screen |
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| 06:26:56 | ipod | i changed the res |
| 06:28:22 | [1]cool_walking_ | Click "options", and put the ipod nano dimensions in the "size" area. |
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| 06:29:01 | ipod | i did |
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| 06:29:39 | ipod | im trying again |
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| 06:31:13 | ipod | its still wide screen wtf |
| 06:32:17 | ipod | what do i do |
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| 06:35:17 | ipod | can anyone help me |
| 06:35:20 | vegaman | I'm not sure what's happening from here, with a quick test winff allows me to choose a custom resolution... and encodes using that instead of the preset |
| 06:35:47 | ipod | how do i do that |
| 06:35:59 | cool_walking_ | What size are you specifying? |
| 06:36:26 | cool_walking_ | Find out the aspect ratio of the video, and set the size based on that. if the aspect ratio is 4:3, the size should be 176x128. |
| 06:36:47 | ipod | yea but i want a full screen |
| 06:36:53 | ipod | not wide screen |
| 06:37:02 | cool_walking_ | What is full screen" |
| 06:37:15 | cool_walking_ | What do you mean by "full screen" ? |
| 06:37:23 | vegaman | he wants full screen, I've explained there will be stretching, maybe it's best to just use the preset, the 4:3 one will only miss a few rows |
| 06:37:40 | vegaman | I'm assuming you mean to make use of every pixel on the screen? |
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| 06:38:53 | ipod | hey srry |
| 06:39:44 | ipod | i think i can deal wit 16:9 |
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| 06:41:50 | ipod | it would b nice if i can get full tho |
| 06:42:24 | cool_walking_ | Well the nano screen is 176x132, so for full screen, set "video size" in winff to 176x132. |
| 06:43:41 | ipod | i tired that |
| 06:43:58 | ipod | it still encodes to wide |
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| 06:47:54 | ipod | i didnt work |
| 06:48:43 | ipod | it didnt work so now what do i do??? |
| 06:49:34 | cool_walking_ | I just tried it, and it encoded to the correct size. |
| 06:49:52 | ipod | what do u do |
| 06:49:55 | ipod | plz help |
| 06:50:08 | cool_walking_ | Can you post a screenshot of WinFF just before you clicked "Convert"? |
| 06:50:28 | ipod | how do i do that |
| 06:50:55 | ipod | in video size ive got 176x132 |
| 06:51:15 | ipod | it say additional options |
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| 06:52:40 | ipod | r u there |
| 06:52:42 | cool_walking_ | And "Convert to" is "RB Apple iPod Nano 4:3" or "16:9" ? |
| 06:52:53 | ipod | yes |
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| 06:54:07 | ipod | is that wrong |
| 06:55:48 | cool_walking_ | no that sounds right |
| 06:56:11 | ipod | in the 1st box should it say rockbox |
| 06:57:15 | cool_walking_ | yes |
| 06:57:32 | ipod | have u put it on ur ipod nano |
| 06:57:40 | ipod | and it played full |
| 06:58:38 | ipod | another question |
| 06:58:51 | ipod | what is the samllest file format rockbox supports |
| 06:59:21 | cool_walking_ | I don't have an ipod nano |
| 06:59:29 | ipod | what do u have |
| 06:59:57 | cool_walking_ | I have a Gigabeat S and a few iPod Videos, but not here :/ |
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| 07:00:22 | ipod | witch do u prefer |
| 07:00:58 | cool_walking_ | Currently, the Gigabeat S can't charge from Rockbox, but when it can, it will wipe the floor with the iPod Video |
| 07:01:24 | ipod | why do u say that |
| 07:02:05 | cool_walking_ | It has a *much* faster CPU - plugins, UI responsiveness, and video playback are all noticeably faster |
| 07:02:23 | ipod | da,m |
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| 07:02:31 | ipod | how much do those cost |
| 07:03:07 | cool_walking_ | I got mine for ~$170 off eBay, but I have the feeling I got ripped off. I think they should be around $100 or less. |
| 07:03:18 | ipod | how many gigs |
| 07:04:14 | cool_walking_ | They're available in 30GB or 60GB, mine is currently 100GB because I swapped the HDD |
| 07:04:14 | ipod | if what u have is better why do everyone want ipod |
| 07:04:34 | ipod | how big is the screen |
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| 07:05:05 | cool_walking_ | I don't know about the physical size, but the resolution is 240x320 (same size as iPod Video, but sideways) |
| 07:05:24 | ipod | damn u ever thought of a zune |
| 07:05:36 | ipod | i had a 80 gig |
| 07:05:48 | cool_walking_ | The Gigabeat S is pretty similar to a Zune |
| 07:05:49 | ipod | it was nice but i didnt kno about rockbox |
| 07:05:50 | ipod | then |
| 07:06:14 | ipod | what is the smalleest audio file rockbox supports |
| 07:06:18 | cRAKmONKY | I would like to update the sansa view port's wiki page but I need write permissions.. I am NicholasHaffen and cRACKmONKEY421 on the forum |
| 07:06:59 | cool_walking_ | ipod: That doesn't really make sense - filesize depends on bitrate. |
| 07:07:27 | ipod | o |
| 07:07:34 | cRAKmONKY | There's new information for this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaView |
| 07:07:35 | ipod | im kinda dumb when it comes to this stuff still a lil new |
| 07:07:48 | cool_walking_ | ipod: Different people say different file formats sound better than each other. |
| 07:08:13 | ipod | but they are all the same |
| 07:08:19 | ipod | or what |
| 07:09:58 | cool_walking_ | I personally can't really tell any difference. |
| 07:10:29 | ipod | so what games can i put on my ipod |
| 07:10:37 | cool_walking_ | cRAKmONKY: I gave you write permission. |
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| 07:12:42 | cool_walking_ | ipod: There are descriptions of the Rockbox plugins on the wiki |
| 07:12:50 | ipod | i noticed on ipods rockbox makesthe battery last longer |
| 07:12:51 | wpyh | ipod: are you asking why everyone wants an ipod? |
| 07:12:55 | * | wpyh has the answer |
| 07:13:04 | wpyh | 1. because almost everybody else has it |
| 07:13:14 | wpyh | 2. because it's available cheaper |
| 07:13:24 | * | wpyh has an ipod because of #2 and not #1 |
| 07:13:33 | cool_walking_ | 3. because Rockbox runs on it :) |
| 07:13:42 | wpyh | yeah, and #3 ;) |
| 07:13:51 | shadoxx | gah, this is so annoying |
| 07:13:52 | wpyh | but that's not a decision maker |
| 07:13:59 | wpyh | because the gigabeat also runs RB |
| 07:14:02 | shadoxx | I can't figure out how to load a bootloader on this mp3 player. :-\ |
| 07:14:07 | cool_walking_ | That is _the_ decision maker for me |
| 07:14:12 | wpyh | shadoxx: which one? |
| 07:14:18 | shadoxx | Samsung YH-820 |
| 07:14:29 | shadoxx | I'm trying to port Rockbox. Or at least, start a port. |
| 07:14:37 | wpyh | cool_walking: AFAIK the gigabeat S is at least partially supported |
| 07:14:38 | ipod | welli only got a ipod cuz i traded it for psp |
| 07:14:48 | ipod | no not psp damn |
| 07:14:53 | wpyh | shadoxx: do you have info on the hardware? |
| 07:14:54 | ipod | i meant cd player |
| 07:15:05 | shadoxx | wpyh: I can tell you it's a PP5020 chip. |
| 07:15:07 | cool_walking_ | wpyh: Yes I know, I have one running Rockbox. |
| 07:15:11 | ipod | it would b cool to get rockbox for psp |
| 07:15:12 | shadoxx | that's about it, until i get some pcb scans |
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| 07:15:18 | * | wpyh doesn't know a lot about PP5020 |
| 07:15:31 | shadoxx | iPod 4G |
| 07:15:37 | shadoxx | one of the players that use it |
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| 07:15:54 | wpyh | shadoxx: yeah, I mean, I know how to use RB on it, but I'm not very familiar with it :p |
| 07:16:01 | shadoxx | ah |
| 07:16:29 | shadoxx | The thing is, this would be the *perfect* candidate to put rockbox on. Because the stock firmware is, pardon the expression, shit. |
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| 07:18:20 | cool_walking_ | shadoxx: In the existing devs' eyes, that does not make it a good candidate. The existing devs will only care if it has good hardware that can add something new to Rockbox. |
| 07:18:57 | shadoxx | This isn't even a very popular player. I just figured it'd give me something to do in my spare time. |
| 07:19:17 | shadoxx | At least, I don't think it's a popular player. I'm the only one I know who has it. |
| 07:19:27 | ipod | is there anyway to put rock box on psp |
| 07:19:32 | shadoxx | rofl |
| 07:19:34 | cool_walking_ | ipod: no |
| 07:19:38 | ipod | damn |
| 07:19:52 | ipod | y |
| 07:20:10 | cool_walking_ | All the hardware that Rockbox runs on (excepting the sim) is listed on the front page. |
| 07:20:12 | shadoxx | :| You're kidding right? |
| 07:20:27 | shadoxx | Rockbox is only ARM, not MIPS right? |
| 07:21:06 | ipod | well could um 1 make it for psp |
| 07:22:25 | cool_walking_ | It's not only arm, but m68k, arm, and sh1. |
| 07:22:33 | cool_walking_ | ipod: if you know how to.. |
| 07:23:16 | ipod | i wish |
| 07:23:59 | shadoxx | ipod: see pm on why it won't work |
| 07:24:23 | ipod | how do i do dat |
| 07:24:57 | shadoxx | that's how |
| 07:25:21 | ipod | im just say tha psp sound system sucks |
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| 07:28:43 | ipod | thanx 4 tha help |
| 07:29:08 | ipod | i aplogize for being an ass |
| 07:29:09 | cool_walking_ | np |
| 07:29:16 | ipod | ealier |
| 07:29:33 | cool_walking_ | just.. uh.. try not to be an ass in the future :) |
| 07:29:41 | ipod | wont |
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| 08:29:54 | B4gder | is the git mirror synced? |
| 08:31:25 | B4gder | answer: yes it is! |
| 08:36:13 | GodEater_ | hurrah |
| 08:36:32 | B4gder | time to document that somewhere I guess |
| 08:38:46 | GodEater_ | GitVersionControl? |
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| 08:39:18 | B4gder | yes that seems suitable |
| 08:39:33 | SxSBruce | excuse me... |
| 08:40:17 | SxSBruce | i have no idea when it comes"Enter your developer option" |
| 08:40:42 | SxSBruce | Debug,Logf,Simulator,Profile,Voice |
| 08:40:52 | B4gder | so why did you select that option? |
| 08:41:05 | SxSBruce | why? |
| 08:41:24 | B4gder | that question pops up when you select "(A)dvanced", right? |
| 08:41:34 | SxSBruce | Yeah... |
| 08:41:43 | B4gder | so why did you select advanced? |
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| 08:42:19 | SxSBruce | well i always like sth advanced |
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| 08:42:49 | SxSBruce | okkkk,ill choose Normal... |
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| 09:37:25 | Nico_P | B4gder: is the git repo accessible through HTTP? |
| 09:37:47 | Nico_P | I suppose note |
| 09:37:57 | Nico_P | s/note/not |
| 09:38:28 | B4gder | no |
| 09:39:54 | Nico_P | would that be possible? |
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| 09:41:05 | B4gder | yeah, I mostly just need to figure out how... |
| 09:49:48 | pixelma | petur: I also can't see the filename line in the recording screen on my c200 (r17902), it's there on my M5 (r17806). Need to test more |
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| 09:50:16 | petur | ah, so it is c200 specific... |
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| 09:50:42 | pixelma | not sure yet |
| 09:50:42 | petur | well the rec screen gui code is ugly anyway, so I'm not surprised |
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| 09:51:17 | petur | maybe my viewport commit caused it.... |
| 09:51:38 | * | JdGordon agrees with whoever said it at the con that post 3.0 we should push for a big recording update |
| 09:52:03 | petur | big? |
| 09:52:19 | petur | change to viewports and add the REP |
| 09:52:35 | JdGordon | and codecs, stability, other stuff |
| 09:52:47 | petur | has been very stable for me |
| 09:54:00 | pixelma | what about codecs? |
| 09:54:22 | petur | are there requests for other than raw/mp3/wavpack? |
| 09:54:32 | petur | s/raw/wav |
| 09:55:07 | JdGordon | probably.. |
| 09:55:11 | pixelma | I agree though that being able to record to wav directly from the WRS instead of a plugin would be nice on the hwcodec targets ;P |
| 09:55:22 | JdGordon | rec to wav, flac? ogg? |
| 09:56:38 | petur | either you're doing quality recording and you will use lossless because you do post-processing anyway, or you record to mp3 which is good enough for voice notes, interviews... |
| 09:56:39 | safetydan | speex would be nice |
| 09:56:48 | safetydan | for voice especially |
| 09:57:43 | petur | well I really don't see the point of having a ton of codecs for encoding, it is not the same picture as for playback. |
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| 09:58:57 | pixelma | I could understand the point of having speex got voice recordings |
| 09:59:01 | KimWoojin | Hello~ :) |
| 09:59:08 | pixelma | s/got/for |
| 09:59:31 | petur | and with storage capacity going up and getting cheap, who cares about the filesize diff of several lossy codecs. The only thing I can accept is a mp3 patent issue, so another lossy codec might be nice |
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| 09:59:47 | B4gder | KimWoojin: you still need to behave |
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| 10:00:11 | petur | KimWoojin: and talk English only in here |
| 10:00:18 | KimWoojin | ssorry.. |
| 10:00:24 | KimWoojin | sorry.. |
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| 10:03:57 | JdGordon | Slasheri: ping? |
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| 10:25:35 | BigBambi | linuxstb: greetings |
| 10:25:58 | BigBambi | linuxstb: I booted the ATMT with the DAX firmware and it ran perfectly |
| 10:26:59 | BigBambi | linuxstb: So I think we can safely assume they are identical. The only bugger is that I have cocked up the soldering a bit and now it'll only boot from USB |
| 10:27:14 | BigBambi | linuxstb: A sacrifice to the cause! |
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| 10:54:31 | lucent | hi, looking for an opinion on a readily purchased player that can run Rockbox firmware |
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| 10:55:02 | lucent | are there any manufacturers who are officially friendly towards the Rockbox development? |
| 10:55:53 | B4gder | lucent: nope |
| 10:55:59 | lucent | hm |
| 10:56:13 | markun | lucent: some people inside some companies are sometimes |
| 10:56:21 | Genre9mp3 | lucent: I wouldn't say there's such a manufacturer but you can check this: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html |
| 10:56:38 | lucent | I've made a change in my life, and I want to reduce my use of non-open source licensed firmware, as much as possible |
| 10:58:05 | B4gder | but in the sandisk case, they never officially supported us |
| 10:58:12 | B4gder | and even the unofficial support was rather limited |
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| 11:00:02 | Genre9mp3 | B4gder: it wasn't anything official of course, but it was the most friendly thing from a manufacturer's side I could think of |
| 11:00:36 | lucent | Genre9mp3: thanks for that link, I'm reading |
| 11:00:44 | Slasheri | JdGordon: hi |
| 11:00:54 | B4gder | true, and that says a lot about how non-caring most companies are |
| 11:02:26 | JdGordon | Slasheri: hey |
| 11:02:57 | markun | B4gder: which Git mirror were you talking about? |
| 11:03:00 | JdGordon | im sure I;ve asking this already.... whats the best way to try ang figure out how to save/reload the db search? |
| 11:03:08 | lucent | so, I take it one of you owns a Sansa e200? |
| 11:03:18 | lucent | any comment about it's function with Rockbox? |
| 11:03:26 | B4gder | markun: git://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox |
| 11:03:39 | B4gder | lucent: lots of us do, yes |
| 11:03:46 | B4gder | lucent: rockbox works fine on it |
| 11:03:51 | Genre9mp3 | lucent: most of the people here own many rockbox devices |
| 11:03:53 | B4gder | on the v1 models |
| 11:03:59 | Slasheri | JdGordon: hmm, you mean saving the search query? |
| 11:04:08 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 11:04:26 | lucent | I'm into snowboarding and I picked up a Sansa clip because I wanted a player I could listen to for a long time while I'm riding... that would be my primary use. Is the battery life okay on with Rockbox? |
| 11:04:35 | lucent | can the controls be locked? |
| 11:04:42 | BigBambi | Rockbox doesn't work on the Sansa Clip |
| 11:04:58 | JdGordon | Slasheri: I really want to get it to work like dirplay so it saves a location instead of a filelist so bookmarks can work |
| 11:05:01 | lucent | yah, well, the clip is a fantastic cheap little mp3 player as-is :) |
| 11:05:12 | BigBambi | Off topic for here |
| 11:05:14 | lucent | oh! and what's the max storage for an e200? |
| 11:05:18 | B4gder | lucent: so your open source "new life" stop there then? ;-) |
| 11:05:26 | Genre9mp3 | lucent: 8GB but is expandeble |
| 11:05:36 | BigBambi | e200 8 GB internal, plus (with Rockbox) SDHC |
| 11:05:41 | vegaman | it has a mini-sd slot in it |
| 11:05:46 | B4gder | no, microsd |
| 11:06:01 | lucent | oh um that's a hardware thing, does it work with Rockbox? |
| 11:06:02 | Slasheri | JdGordon: hmm, probably you should check out from tagtree.c how the query is built up and loaded to the tagcache for execution |
| 11:06:09 | vegaman | micro mini, ah, often forget exact terms |
| 11:06:19 | BigBambi | lucent: Rockbox supports SDHC (up to 32 GB), the OF only up to 2 GB |
| 11:06:27 | lucent | ohwa |
| 11:06:32 | lucent | woha I mean. That's a lot |
| 11:06:38 | BigBambi | vegaman: If you aren't sure, please don't give technical advice - accuracy is important |
| 11:07:00 | lucent | can I buy any e200 and it will work? are there different revs like the iPods? |
| 11:07:05 | BigBambi | v1 only |
| 11:07:07 | JdGordon | Slasheri: yeah, I'm looking at tagtree_enter() and am already lost :p |
| 11:07:10 | lucent | oh :/ |
| 11:07:10 | Genre9mp3 | lucent: Well 32GB microSDHC aren't available yet ;) |
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| 11:08:29 | lucent | I am really surprised that no manufacturer is producing a player with explicit rockbox compatibility |
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| 11:08:55 | JdGordon | Slasheri: whats the c->currtable? |
| 11:08:57 | Genre9mp3 | lucent: I guess they have bad consultants ;) |
| 11:09:56 | B4gder | or they think their own way makes them more money |
| 11:10:19 | * | lucent thinks a bit |
| 11:10:32 | lucent | so I can't buy an e200 then? they would all be v2! |
| 11:11:01 | B4gder | lucent: rockbox doesn't run (fine) on any player currently being manufactured |
| 11:11:10 | flux | lucent, even further, they could deliver with rockbox |
| 11:11:37 | flux | I would imagine that would bring the R&D costs somewhat; albeit perhaps it could be too easy to compete |
| 11:11:38 | Slasheri | JdGordon: that should be the current browsing level (those names are very mystic due to the names used in the very old db system i used as the base) |
| 11:11:39 | markun | lucent: someone bought a e200 a short while ago because he wanted to work on the v2 port and it turned out the be a v1 :) |
| 11:11:40 | lucent | oh geeze, well this is good info. |
| 11:11:49 | lucent | markun: that's really funny :) |
| 11:11:51 | flux | and more difficult to differentiate from competition |
| 11:12:01 | Slasheri | JdGordon: values can be root, navibrowse or allsubentries |
| 11:12:10 | JdGordon | root == 1? |
| 11:12:21 | Slasheri | those are defines |
| 11:12:44 | Slasheri | yes |
| 11:12:58 | Slasheri | ah, playtrack is the latest one |
| 11:12:58 | lucent | what about homebrew? |
| 11:12:59 | BigBambi | lucent: Your best bet for a v1 is ebay or refurbs |
| 11:13:15 | BigBambi | lucent: homebrew what? |
| 11:13:23 | lucent | like a homebrew player that runs rockbox |
| 11:13:29 | lucent | do you know of such a thing? |
| 11:13:42 | BigBambi | Some people have been chatting in the forum about it |
| 11:13:42 | B4gder | lucent: homebrew efforts pop up regularly but so far no one has pulled through |
| 11:14:05 | BigBambi | But they always look like they would be more expensive, bigger, etc. than ones you can buy |
| 11:14:35 | BigBambi | And as B4gder says, no-one has actually done it |
| 11:15:09 | lucent | if there were a reference platform for sale, it would at least always be available |
| 11:15:27 | flux | but the reference platforms might not be something you put into your pocket |
| 11:15:33 | flux | if you mean evaluation boards? |
| 11:15:40 | lucent | no, something for a desk or evaluation |
| 11:15:41 | lucent | yeah |
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| 11:15:51 | lucent | so a manufacturer can request a demo |
| 11:15:59 | B4gder | well, it's possible to do for anyone who wants to |
| 11:16:04 | lucent | that's how it works in the real world |
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| 11:16:34 | * | BigBambi isn't sure about that |
| 11:16:41 | B4gder | me neither |
| 11:17:27 | flux | constructing an simple mp3 player per se shouldn't be infeasible (a friend of mine constructed one as a university course work), but you want it to also run rockbox, you need more hardware :) |
| 11:17:45 | B4gder | more than what? |
| 11:18:28 | flux | more than chips that are speciazed for building mp3-players |
| 11:18:32 | flux | +li |
| 11:18:42 | B4gder | I disagree |
| 11:18:56 | BigBambi | flux: What chips? |
| 11:19:04 | BigBambi | Surely you just add what you want? |
| 11:19:12 | flux | I haven't really investigated, so I cannot say. Do the smallest mp3-players really decode mp3 in software? |
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| 11:19:25 | B4gder | flux: yes, all modern players do it in sw |
| 11:19:30 | B4gder | even the smallest ones |
| 11:19:52 | Zagor | the main obstacles are 1: attractive industrial design, and 2: cheap manufacturing. both require a large upfront investment. |
| 11:20:06 | BigBambi | flux: It is incredibly non-flexible in any other ways |
| 11:20:23 | B4gder | I think customers want more than "just mp3" these days |
| 11:20:42 | lucent | Zagor: I think you misunderstand me here |
| 11:21:44 | lucent | if you want an investment from existing manufacturers, then you need somebody's competitor by the balls, or you need a reference platform to demonstrate your firmware for prospective manufacturers |
| 11:21:48 | * | JdGordon is lost |
| 11:22:01 | Zagor | lucent: manufacturers already know of us. the actively choose not to use rockbox. |
| 11:22:04 | BigBambi | lucent: We have loads of those |
| 11:22:06 | Zagor | they |
| 11:22:22 | BigBambi | lucent: All the targets are reference platforms |
| 11:22:27 | lucent | oh hm |
| 11:22:32 | B4gder | indeed |
| 11:22:42 | BigBambi | They all demonstrate the firmware, and how it adapts to different hardware etc |
| 11:22:48 | BigBambi | Best advert I can think of |
| 11:23:25 | lucent | I would have thought some .tw company would try to produce a player using rockbox firmware to save costs |
| 11:23:38 | B4gder | they're .cn these days ;-) |
| 11:23:43 | lucent | heh |
| 11:23:46 | lucent | point taken |
| 11:23:51 | B4gder | but apparently their own stuff is even cheaper |
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| 11:24:23 | B4gder | or rather they beleive they make more money this way |
| 11:24:25 | lucent | dang, is there any way to know what revision an e200 is before buying it? |
| 11:24:28 | lucent | like the model number? |
| 11:24:40 | B4gder | lucent: the firmware version is the only "safe" way to tell |
| 11:24:48 | BigBambi | lucent: Only sure way is to look at the original firmware version |
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| 11:25:25 | Glorfindel | If you buy off e-bay, ask the seller to check. The guy I bought from knew his were V1 and seemed to know about rockbox. |
| 11:27:15 | lucent | no joke, I would buy a player if rockbox.org sold one |
| 11:27:31 | lucent | it wouldn't have to be especially pretty looking |
| 11:27:36 | lucent | just work with the firmware :) |
| 11:29:13 | B4gder | no joke, we could sell one if somebody built it ;-) |
| 11:29:43 | Zagor | lucent: several hundred people probably would. but you need at least tens of thousands go come down to reasonable costs. and that means you need to appeal to the general public. and that means competing with ipod and iriver etc. no fun. |
| 11:30:10 | B4gder | I don't think that's the main problem |
| 11:30:25 | B4gder | the main problem is that nobody makes even large, ugly expensive units |
| 11:30:33 | Zagor | no, it's just one problem |
| 11:30:48 | lucent | appeal to the general public? |
| 11:31:05 | lucent | if you had something I could stuff in a paperback book sized box, it'd be great |
| 11:31:41 | Zagor | lucent: yes, but your sister/girlfriend/non-geek pal doesn't agree |
| 11:31:43 | lucent | price point would have to be < $300usd |
| 11:31:55 | BigBambi | I'd love a open, designed for Rockbox player, but ultimately it spends most of its time in my pocket so it needs to be smqll enough, and as I can buy commercial players that do the job, I'm not going to pay over the odds for it either |
| 11:31:56 | Zagor | B4gder: and why don't they? because nobody is buying such players |
| 11:32:21 | B4gder | Zagor: no, I don't think so. people would do those things for themselves. but not even those pull through |
| 11:32:55 | Zagor | B4gder: ah, yes. pure homebrew might be fun but won't ever be available in any sort of numbers. |
| 11:33:09 | B4gder | but numbers won't matter to that kind of homebrews |
| 11:33:14 | lucent | the alternative is to ride the back of Apple |
| 11:33:25 | lucent | and keep reverse engineering their stuff |
| 11:33:31 | B4gder | we don't |
| 11:33:34 | lucent | or wait for mobile phone devices to open up a bit |
| 11:33:37 | Zagor | lucent: yeah, but they've posined their back on the latest models |
| 11:33:41 | lucent | like Google android |
| 11:33:58 | Zagor | poisoned |
| 11:33:59 | B4gder | lucent: I doubt rockbox will run on Android |
| 11:34:06 | lucent | but then why bother with a special music firmware ... that's not a real idea |
| 11:34:10 | lucent | ya |
| 11:34:16 | BigBambi | No where near enough storage at the moment anyway |
| 11:34:37 | lucent | enough storage? |
| 11:34:40 | flux | well, rockbox could run as its own application also :) |
| 11:34:47 | BigBambi | lucent: yes |
| 11:34:52 | B4gder | and I personally don't want to run down my phone batteries listening to music so I like having a separate one |
| 11:34:59 | lucent | what do you mean |
| 11:35:14 | BigBambi | lucent: not enough storage to keep music on |
| 11:35:18 | lucent | most phones support remmovable storage, I think the android platform does |
| 11:35:26 | BigBambi | Flash is too expensive at the moment for large disks |
| 11:35:33 | BigBambi | lucent: Still not enough |
| 11:35:44 | lucent | I'm not freaking, DJ Paul Van Dyke, you know |
| 11:35:44 | flux | don't they have 32GB memory cards these days? |
| 11:35:47 | BigBambi | lucent: micro sd is currently only available at 16 GB |
| 11:35:55 | lucent | I just have 2gb of music to listen to when I go riding |
| 11:35:55 | flux | (perhaps not micro sd yet, though) |
| 11:35:57 | BigBambi | flux: Not yet avaliable, and still too small |
| 11:36:18 | flux | I was happy with my 20G hd player, and my upgraded 30G seems enough for now :) |
| 11:36:23 | flux | it can be enough for many people |
| 11:36:24 | BigBambi | I have a 120 GB drive in my Gigabeat S and it is nearly full |
| 11:36:36 | BigBambi | And that is without getting into lossless |
| 11:37:03 | markun | BigBambi: wow, nice upgrade! |
| 11:37:08 | flux | I suppose it's great to be able to have all your music with you |
| 11:37:26 | BigBambi | I'm just explaining why e.g. a phone is not suitable for me. Also, as Bagder says, I don't want my phone battery to go listening to music and then not be able to phone people |
| 11:37:37 | BigBambi | markun: Yeah, I'm liking it :) |
| 11:38:55 | lucent | okay |
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| 11:41:01 | amiconn | MicroSD != flash in general |
| 11:41:16 | amiconn | 32GB CF isn't that expensive anymore |
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| 11:42:45 | BigBambi | true, but I doubt you will find CF slots on many phones |
| 11:42:59 | B4gder | CF is a dying interface |
| 11:43:11 | BigBambi | microsd ppretty much equals flash in general on phones etc |
| 11:44:00 | Egil | data_files=[ |
| 11:44:05 | Egil | sorry |
| 11:44:20 | lucent | what about Cowon? |
| 11:44:34 | BigBambi | what about them? |
| 11:44:49 | lucent | aren't they selling a model of player that's Rockbox compatible? |
| 11:44:54 | lucent | am I mistaken? |
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| 11:44:59 | BigBambi | Not any more I don't think |
| 11:45:11 | BigBambi | Rockbox runs on M5, M3 and X5 |
| 11:45:15 | gevaerts | But maybe soon :) |
| 11:45:34 | BigBambi | and people are working on other ports, but there is no guarentee if or when that'll be ready |
| 11:46:02 | BigBambi | lucent: You are probably thinking of the D2, which isn't done yet |
| 11:46:36 | pixelma | petur (JdGordon): the "remove lcd margins" commit (r17763) makes the filename line disappear in the c200 recording screen. Maybe the statusbar height is not taken into account when checking for viewport height <= 80? The latter is just a guess though... |
| 11:47:20 | lucent | BigBambi: yeah that's the one |
| 11:48:06 | JdGordon | pixelma: how high is the c200 lcd? |
| 11:48:15 | pixelma | 80 pixels |
| 11:48:46 | JdGordon | ok, put it on the tracker... im trying to learn how the DB works atm... |
| 11:48:58 | pixelma | will do |
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| 11:50:17 | JdGordon | assing it to me so i dont forget |
| 11:52:55 | * | petur spots some h320 and h120 on ebay, also plenty of replacement batteries and disks (including MK6006GAH) |
| 11:55:15 | JdGordon | Slasheri: ok, So I |
| 11:55:18 | JdGordon | 'arg.. |
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| 11:56:21 | JdGordon | Slasheri: ok, So I'm thinking csi needs to be saved, do the table positions in the treecontext need to be saved also? or can they be somehow rebuilt more easily? |
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| 11:56:41 | preglow | safetydan: i'm planning on making speex encoding work, at least for the more powerful targets |
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| 11:58:42 | * | JdGordon doesnt really think dumping 2 entire structs to text is very good... |
| 11:58:47 | JdGordon | s/good/clean |
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| 12:04:19 | * | JdGordon wonders what wierdness would happen if the tagnavi was changed between saving the seach and reloading |
| 12:05:26 | JdGordon | hmm... might actually be safe |
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| 12:55:36 | safetydan | preglow, sounds good |
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| 13:16:02 | Zagor | JdGordon: imho no, unless someone (with a clue) ever said rbutil *should* work on the sims. otherwise "not a bug" imho |
| 13:16:20 | Nico_P | bascule closed it |
| 13:17:04 | Zagor | I am so slow. I blame the kids ;) |
| 13:17:07 | B4gder | there may be reasons to actually make it work on sims, but until nobody has made an effort it isn't actually a bug |
| 13:17:18 | B4gder | until somebody even |
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| 13:19:16 | B4gder | :-) |
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| 13:42:49 | SxSBruce | Excuse me? |
| 13:43:13 | BigBambi | SxSBruce: If you have a question, just ask it :) |
| 13:43:25 | B4gder | building for m6 right? |
| 13:43:29 | SxSBruce | during the "make" in compiling |
| 13:43:35 | SxSBruce | i got an error |
| 13:44:18 | SxSBruce | saying "No rule to make target './root/rockbox/firmware/target/arm/s518700/app.lds'" |
| 13:44:57 | B4gder | is the normal build even buildable for m6? |
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| 13:45:12 | gevaerts | No. Only the bootloader (and it's not even a real bootloader) |
| 13:45:16 | * | B4gder continues to assume m6 |
| 13:45:19 | SxSBruce | needed by"./root/rockbox/build_m6/apps/linkage.lds" |
| 13:45:46 | * | SxSBruce still trying to find sth |
| 13:45:57 | gevaerts | SxSBruce: you need to do a bootloader build. The normal build doesn't work yet |
| 13:45:59 | B4gder | sth? |
| 13:46:03 | B4gder | eth? |
| 13:46:44 | SxSBruce | shure |
| 13:46:46 | SxSBruce | sure |
| 13:47:15 | markun | SxSBruce: I think the sim and rockbox are broken right now |
| 13:47:39 | SxSBruce | its just sth happened when i set up the development environment |
| 13:47:41 | B4gder | but fixing the m6 sim to build would be appreciated |
| 13:49:42 | markun | B4gder: and shouldn't be difficult |
| 13:49:45 | markun | I had it working before |
| 13:50:18 | markun | the image I used before was from a M6SP so we wanted to take a new one at the devcon |
| 13:50:30 | markun | but then decided to ask pixelma to make a vector drawing :) |
| 13:51:07 | markun | and I also disabled all the apps, we could enable them and add the button defines |
| 13:51:19 | pixelma | I didn't realise up to now that it should be used for the sim too... |
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| 13:52:54 | SxSBruce | maybe i didnt describe the problem clearly |
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| 13:53:02 | l403 | hi markun. I'm watching the m6 development too. good luck |
| 13:53:45 | B4gder | SxSBruce: you're build a "normal" build, arent't you? |
| 13:53:53 | B4gder | as selected in tools/configure |
| 13:54:07 | SxSBruce | sure |
| 13:54:07 | B4gder | (ignore the weird language) |
| 13:54:28 | * | SxSBruce wondered whats the weird language |
| 13:54:30 | B4gder | SxSBruce: then you're not expected to be able to build, as markun and gevaerts explain |
| 13:54:33 | BigBambi | 13:44gevaertsSxSBruce: you need to do a bootloader build. The normal build doesn't work yet |
| 13:55:30 | B4gder | SxSBruce: in plain words: select (B)ootloader |
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| 13:56:11 | markun | l403: thanks man |
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| 13:56:42 | SxSBruce | ok,let me try it |
| 13:56:49 | SxSBruce | thanks |
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| 13:59:40 | l403 | I've got the SL and even tried to take a peek in with the IDA applicatioin but no success. If you need some human resource work, there is plenty ppl that would like to give a hand |
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| 14:02:33 | l403 | dishwashing for example :-) |
| 14:06:05 | markun | l403: The things which should be done now are very low level: getting any code to run and then writing drivers |
| 14:07:16 | markun | but if anyone wants to help out with it they are welcome. Best is to download the source and setup a build environment |
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| 14:35:42 | MarcGuay | A note on flyspray: It's currently impossible to filter by 'feature request', thus making it difficult to weed through them. Perhaps it's been decided to delete them all and move the whole thing to the forums? |
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| 14:37:18 | MTee_ | is there something wrong with the parameters here : ./genlang -e=english.lang -i=50 -t=E200 -b=arabic.lng arabic.lang ? |
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| 15:06:36 | pixelma | MTee_: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:07:33 | MTee_ | I'm making an arabic lang file, I want to convert it to binary to be able to try it on my sansa e250 |
| 15:08:06 | MTee_ | genlang returns no errors, but the generated lng file doesn't work |
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| 15:10:55 | pixelma | I never tried to build a lng file on its own (only as part of a complete "make"), sorry can't help you there |
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| 15:11:55 | MTee_ | ok thanks anyways :) |
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| 15:25:43 | preglow | still no one using os x for rockbox development here? |
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| 15:29:16 | Llorean | preglow: There was someone who'd occasionally post fixed to the build scripts on the tracker. I think he may be the only person who actually did, though I don't remember who it was. |
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| 15:30:54 | preglow | Llorean: weird, i could have sworn some other people here used os x as well, but seeing as how i can't remember who, it's probably just me imagining things :) |
| 15:31:27 | gevaerts | I think some people use it, but I don't know how manyy of them develop on ot |
| 15:32:14 | preglow | i expected troubles, but not in compiling cross-compilers :/ |
| 15:32:54 | preglow | especially seeing as how it's basically bsd, and i know people use that |
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| 15:37:04 | pixelma | as I said, I think barrywardell uses it, linuxstb used it for a while alternatively and hmm... maybe midgey as well (?) |
| 15:37:43 | pixelma | and I believe JdGordon set up one mac as a build server... |
| 15:43:13 | preglow | really, now |
| 15:43:13 | preglow | thanks |
| 15:43:22 | preglow | i'll ask all of them, didn't catch you telling me last time :) |
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| 15:44:12 | petur | and markun runs BSD iirc |
| 15:44:33 | preglow | yep, he does, but i think he doesn't have any trouble doing so |
| 15:44:47 | preglow | i seem to have some weirdness here where the crosscompiler tries to use native gas for assembling |
| 15:45:33 | markun | no, don't have that problem |
| 15:46:17 | preglow | suckage |
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| 16:00:56 | JdGordon | preglow: yeah, ive got a osx box, but im not sure if ive done the cross compilers on it... it was only doing sims for the builds so probably didnt bother |
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| 16:03:22 | preglow | JdGordon: right |
| 16:03:38 | preglow | oh wells, i'll try doing the cross compilers by hand latesr |
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| 16:03:55 | preglow | sounds about right with some barbecuing and beer right now, though |
| 16:05:01 | bertrik | peak meter is spelled in english as "peak meter", not as "peakmeter", right? |
| 16:05:09 | preglow | aye |
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| 16:05:54 | * | petur is already happy when all the chars are there in the correct order ;) |
| 16:06:07 | preglow | might be speller peak metre, though :) |
| 16:06:12 | preglow | spelled too |
| 16:06:59 | preglow | nah, it's a meter in british english, it seems |
| 16:07:06 | preglow | metre is the spelling for the si unit |
| 16:08:06 | bertrik | ok thanks |
| 16:10:12 | JdGordon | bertrik: :< not so sure that should have gone in.... |
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| 16:10:52 | bertrik | the ata_disk_is_active thing? |
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| 16:11:12 | JdGordon | yes |
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| 16:11:20 | bertrik | It should only make things simpler with no side effects as far as I can see |
| 16:11:55 | JdGordon | did you test it? the first patch looked like it would have broken it |
| 16:12:25 | JdGordon | also, like my comment said.... that function shold be removed from the apps/ layer anyway |
| 16:12:32 | JdGordon | especially plugins |
| 16:13:03 | petur | I'd like to see more stubs and less #ifdef, I think it opens a clean path to rockbox as an app |
| 16:13:11 | bertrik | I consider removal of the function as a separate step |
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| 16:13:31 | JdGordon | petur: for sure... but ata_is_disk_Active() is evil... |
| 16:13:43 | JdGordon | keeping the ifdef means its more effort for people to use it |
| 16:13:51 | bertrik | I did test the patch on my sansa e200 and on the sim (e200) |
| 16:14:15 | petur | JdGordon: was talking in general, haven't looked at that function in particular |
| 16:14:19 | bertrik | Maybe I should have tested it on a some more sims. |
| 16:14:57 | JdGordon | its not really such a big deal.. it just would have been nicer removing the funciotn than stubbing it |
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| 16:15:06 | * | JdGordon is cranky tonight |
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| 16:16:37 | bertrik | I do plan to work on the battery bench plugin which is currently the last plugin to use the ata_disk_is_active call |
| 16:17:00 | * | petur wonders if they will offer http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/07/03/wine_usb_tap/ also for beer |
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| 16:21:28 | markun | Bagder: do you think we should allow the git repo to be pushed to and then sync subversion? |
| 16:21:31 | Nico_P | JdGordon: is the ata idle callback safe for use now? |
| 16:22:22 | JdGordon | should be |
| 16:22:29 | JdGordon | when was it not safe? |
| 16:22:34 | markun | Nico_P: what do you think? |
| 16:22:58 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I'm not sure, but its use is disabled in buffering.c ATM |
| 16:23:05 | JdGordon | Nico_P: oh, your talking about for flash targets? not really sure |
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| 16:24:22 | bertrik | the ata idle callbacks are installed as one-shot events that remove themselves, so a panic occurs when you try to unregister the ata idle callback explicitly |
| 16:24:41 | Nico_P | markun: it's not on the agenda IIUC, and I wouldn't really be in favor of it |
| 16:25:18 | markun | Nico_P: it's just as easy to set it up to with with git-svn dcommit? |
| 16:25:36 | markun | (1st with -> work) |
| 16:26:53 | JdGordon | bertrik: yeah, i dont agree that it shuold be panicinig |
| 16:27:14 | Nico_P | markun: I think git-svn is rather meant for a single developer |
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| 16:27:49 | Nico_P | I don't think it could be used to push back commits like that |
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| 16:28:18 | Nico_P | what we'd need for dual VCS is really git-svnserver |
| 16:29:38 | markun | but does that exist? |
| 16:29:47 | Nico_P | not yet unfortunately |
| 16:30:08 | shyam_k | hi i just thought of buying a new hardware mainly to hear music,read some books while travelling..is iriver models good enough to play with rockbox? or which one would be the best to play with gnu in embedded? |
| 16:30:29 | Nico_P | it was planned at one point, but I think it got dropped... there is a git-cvsserver though |
| 16:30:33 | shyam_k | i mean gnu friendly hardware..? |
| 16:31:42 | Nico_P | shyam_k: are you aware that rockbox isn't related to GNU besides using the GPL? |
| 16:32:11 | markun | shyam_k: I don't know what you are asking exactly. Rockbox runs on the iriver H1xx, H3xx and H10. |
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| 16:32:59 | petur | shyam_k: the iriver h1x0/h3x0 are great rockbox targets, personally I do not like the H10 much |
| 16:33:13 | petur | just spotted some on ebay today |
| 16:33:34 | Dangalario | hi is rockbox ported for pc yet? |
| 16:33:40 | Dangalario | rockbox on pc :D |
| 16:33:53 | krazykit | Dangalario, you can use the simulators. |
| 16:33:54 | shyam_k | oh ok.. thanks i think i can read more on the site too.. |
| 16:34:05 | markun | shyam_k: or do you mean you want to port rockbox to a new device? |
| 16:34:19 | Dangalario | i was more thinking a pc version that runs native supports pc screenmodes etc |
| 16:34:24 | shyam_k | markun: no not this time may be later:) |
| 16:34:40 | markun | Dangalario: someone is working on "rockbox as an app" |
| 16:35:01 | Dangalario | oh not operating system? |
| 16:35:46 | Nico_P | hehe, we should try "rockbox as a PC OS" :p |
| 16:35:59 | Dangalario | i was thinking since its so user friendly it would be a good alternative for those who don't understand linux |
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| 16:36:52 | Nico_P | Dangalario: in all seriousness, rockbox is meant for DAPs |
| 16:37:14 | markun | Dangalario: and I was talking about http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SummerOfCode2008 |
| 16:37:26 | markun | ehh http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxAsAnApplication |
| 16:37:31 | Nico_P | rockbox wouldn't be very useful as an OS |
| 16:37:52 | Dangalario | i beg to differ |
| 16:38:02 | Dangalario | if someone ports stuff like wine over to it |
| 16:38:06 | Dangalario | it would be a killer |
| 16:38:10 | Nico_P | markun: http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/SoC2008Ideas#head-f6e79227b221c3b9047b2d662cc24d782bd54a45 |
| 16:38:29 | Dangalario | it would be the fastest os ever |
| 16:39:11 | Nico_P | Dangalario: there's no point |
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| 16:40:14 | Nico_P | a PC OS is a million times more complex than rockbox will ever be |
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| 16:40:54 | BigBambi | Dangalario: You couldn't do anything on it |
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| 16:45:43 | Dangalario | well say a port of wine with rockbox pc os |
| 16:45:53 | Dangalario | and a simple gui |
| 16:46:35 | Dangalario | and media capabilities are built in |
| 16:46:42 | Dangalario | cool thing |
| 16:46:44 | Nico_P | rockbox has no drivers for common pc hardware... someone would have to start by writing those |
| 16:46:48 | markun | Dangalario: please.. |
| 16:46:59 | Dangalario | ahh i forgot about that part sorry |
| 16:47:04 | Dangalario | pc has millions of drivers |
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| 16:47:31 | Dangalario | i get the point |
| 16:47:35 | Nico_P | Dangalario: it's simply not possible... rockbox is designed for embedded devices, not for PCs |
| 16:48:13 | Dangalario | btw anyone opened up v2 e280 yet? im quite intrested in what cpu it runs on |
| 16:48:51 | krazykit | Dangalario, please read the relevant thread in the New Ports forum |
| 16:49:16 | Dangalario | ok |
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| 16:52:59 | Nico_P | Llorean: can you remind me what has to be done before we can enter feature freeze for the release? get a release manager, elect the RSB... anything else? |
| 16:54:22 | Llorean | Nico_P: Assuming both of your fixes hold, I think that's it. |
| 16:55:53 | Nico_P | do we actually have to wait for the RSB to be elected to start the freeze? |
| 16:56:30 | Nico_P | oh, a tracker cleanup has to be done, too |
| 16:56:33 | Llorean | We don't need to wait for the RSB. |
| 16:56:49 | Llorean | But a tracker cleanup would be nice, we should give some time to see if the bugs (especially the out-of-order one) stay gone. |
| 16:57:05 | Llorean | I mean, even if the code starts getting bad again, we can roll back to a revision from July 1stish for the release anyway |
| 16:57:06 | Nico_P | I agree |
| 16:58:46 | Nico_P | also, was there a discussion about bugfix releases (e.g. 3.0.1)? |
| 16:59:11 | Llorean | Yes |
| 16:59:32 | Llorean | Basically just a "if it seems like it's needed, we'll do bugfix releases" |
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| 17:01:16 | Nico_P | sounds reasonable |
| 17:02:05 | Nico_P | I see you set FS #8663 as due in 3.0... isn't that a bit ambitious? |
| 17:02:48 | Llorean | The patch seems to be working, but needs more testing. |
| 17:03:08 | Nico_P | ah, I hadn't seen the latest comments |
| 17:04:13 | Llorean | Anyway, I think it's okay to be ambitious. Because at some point we're going to turn the opposite, and start very sharply cutting things out. |
| 17:04:37 | Llorean | As long as we do the cutting, which is the part we lacked last time, ambition isn't too bad. |
| 17:04:52 | Nico_P | are we hoping to include the USB stack? |
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| 17:05:11 | Llorean | The disk corruption issue on Sansa may not be USB-only. |
| 17:05:20 | Llorean | As to the USB stack, I'm not sure. |
| 17:05:32 | Llorean | It depends on how people feel about marking some targets as "Release 3.0" and others as "Beta for 3.0" |
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| 17:07:00 | Llorean | The PP targets all have a variety of quirks of one sort or another as it is, and I'd kinda like to just mark them as "Beta" so new users know they don't _really_ represent the whole version, and may have a longer "Known Issues" list |
| 17:07:21 | Llorean | If we can do this, I'd happily include USB support with a known issue "it may not work on all USB ports, if it doesn't, reboot into the original firmware for transfers" |
| 17:09:12 | Nico_P | using 'beta' on some targets and not others sounds confusing |
| 17:09:49 | Nico_P | I agree on the principle, but I think the wording needs to be clearer |
| 17:10:08 | Llorean | Well it's only the principle I'm trying to sell at the moment. :) |
| 17:10:18 | Nico_P | ah, right |
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| 17:10:58 | Llorean | The naming is something we can work out at any point, it's just whether we want to have one line (release / no release) or two lines (release / beta / no release) |
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| 17:13:36 | Nico_P | I think one line would be enough, with a warning that some targets have issues of their owm |
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| 17:17:58 | Nico_P | is the gigabeat F battery discharge calibration still as unprecise as it used to be? |
| 17:18:08 | Llorean | I don't know. |
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| 17:22:09 | Nico_P | markun? |
| 17:24:17 | markun | Nico_P: for me it looks ok, but I use a differnt battery |
| 17:27:37 | Nico_P | it would be nice to have it at least remotely accurate for the release |
| 17:28:20 | * | Nico_P is very tempted to close FS #6056 |
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| 17:34:30 | markun | Nico_P: I think it's remotely accurate |
| 17:39:57 | PaulJam | Nico_P: concerning 6056: i can't imagine a case where this couldn't be solved using conditional vewports by putting the image and the alternative text into separate conditional VPs. |
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| 17:40:28 | Nico_P | PaulJam: I agree, and I've closed the task |
| 17:41:07 | Nico_P | I hadn't thought of conditional viewports as a possible workaround though |
| 17:41:32 | PaulJam | (even before cond VPs there was a workaround using alternating sublines for that problem) |
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| 18:21:21 | hackerboy1993 | hi all |
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| 18:42:37 | xqtftqx | Can somebody send me a dual boot gigabeat S loader? |
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| 18:48:09 | BigBambi | xqtftqx: Not really - we don't have a licence to redistribute the Toshiba firmware |
| 18:48:55 | BigBambi | you can create it yourself with the instructions on the wiki |
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| 18:55:28 | xqtftqx | BigBambi, thats the problem |
| 18:55:37 | xqtftqx | It doesnt work for me |
| 18:55:51 | BigBambi | It has worked for everybody else.... |
| 18:56:28 | xqtftqx | I try to run mknkboot and i get "Permission Denied" and i dont know how to fix it |
| 18:56:32 | BigBambi | But nonetheless, I'll happily help you with that, but I can't distribute a patched bootloader |
| 18:56:38 | BigBambi | just permission denied? |
| 18:56:55 | xqtftqx | bash mknkboot.c permission denied |
| 18:57:53 | BigBambi | what are the permissions on it? |
| 18:57:54 | PaulJam | mknboot.c sounds like a source code file. you have to compile it first into an executable. |
| 18:58:04 | BigBambi | mknkboot.c is the source, yes |
| 18:58:15 | xqtftqx | how do i compile it into a executable? |
| 18:58:27 | BigBambi | Sorry, I didn't read to closely - I sort of assumed you would have already compiled it if you were trying to run it |
| 18:58:40 | xqtftqx | isnt there a pre compiled one in there? |
| 18:59:08 | xqtftqx | nvm |
| 18:59:21 | BigBambi | gcc mknkboot.c -o mknkboot |
| 18:59:30 | xqtftqx | oh, i did, make mknkboot |
| 18:59:57 | BigBambi | so I'd suggest trying it using the executable not the source |
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| 19:00:34 | xqtftqx | i had a executable before and i gave it toshiba firmware & rockbox |
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| 19:00:54 | xqtftqx | i got outputed a 12mb file, which is the size of the toshiba firmware and rockbox whouldnt load |
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| 19:01:51 | BigBambi | That happens from time to time |
| 19:02:04 | BigBambi | Normally a restore followed by trying again sorts it |
| 19:02:12 | xqtftqx | Huh, ok |
| 19:03:09 | xqtftqx | Hmmm, is the bootloader on the wiki up to date |
| 19:03:20 | BigBambi | which? |
| 19:03:29 | xqtftqx | rockbox single boot |
| 19:03:43 | BigBambi | Which page? |
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| 19:03:52 | xqtftqx | GigabeatSinstallation |
| 19:04:16 | BigBambi | I have no idea |
| 19:04:27 | xqtftqx | its got a bootloader.bin which says its meant to be used with mknkboot |
| 19:07:35 | bertrik | Hm, I changed something in a .tex file but the diff on the rockbox mainpage is empty |
| 19:08:41 | Llorean | bertrik: It looks like the change went through though |
| 19:08:55 | Llorean | At least, if you manually compare the two files, you can see the changed peakmeter to peak meter |
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| 19:10:01 | bertrik | maybe it doesn't show anything because the change was just whitespace within a single line |
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| 19:11:02 | amiconn | ViewVC diff does ignore whitespace |
| 19:11:16 | amiconn | I don't know whether this is configurable per file format |
| 19:15:27 | xqtftqx | BigBambi: What do i have to do to fix the bootloader 12.4 mb file issue? |
| 19:15:39 | BigBambi | what issue? |
| 19:16:25 | xqtftqx | where it doesnt include the rockbox loader |
| 19:18:42 | xqtftqx | Huh, it sorta working now, if it goes wrong, is it possible to reinstall the bootloader without format the harddrive |
| 19:19:00 | markun | just sorta? |
| 19:19:24 | xqtftqx | well the byte size what up a little, i dont know if it will fix or not |
| 19:19:34 | xqtftqx | if it got included or not* |
| 19:20:08 | xqtftqx | so i want to try it but is there a way to go into recovery mode and restore the firmware with formating the hard drive? |
| 19:20:28 | BigBambi | no |
| 19:20:49 | BigBambi | if you can boot the OF you can try using sendfirm to send it again from there first |
| 19:20:55 | BigBambi | Which won't format the drive |
| 19:21:08 | xqtftqx | so if it boots rockbox, i can use sendfirm? |
| 19:21:25 | BigBambi | no, if it boots the OF |
| 19:21:42 | BigBambi | If it boots Rockbox just copy the new bootloader onto the firmware partition |
| 19:22:05 | xqtftqx | Oh, thanks, but im unable to compile sendfirm, i get tons of errors |
| 19:22:32 | BigBambi | have you got the dev packages for things like libusb and libmtp installed? |
| 19:22:50 | xqtftqx | im running ubuntu, its got them installed by default |
| 19:22:59 | BigBambi | I promise you it compiles just fine, and those errors will probably give you a clue what you need to install |
| 19:23:03 | Llorean | It doesn't have the -dev ones installed by default. |
| 19:23:04 | BigBambi | xqtftqx: No, it doesn't |
| 19:23:18 | xqtftqx | Oh, how do install the devs |
| 19:23:33 | BigBambi | However you want, this isn't a linux help channel |
| 19:23:41 | xqtftqx | sorry |
| 19:23:55 | BigBambi | Using your package manager |
| 19:25:08 | xqtftqx | thanks |
| 19:26:30 | xqtftqx | its compiled, my gigabeat put it self into recovery mode, can i use sendfirm to send the firmware? or do i have to use windows |
| 19:27:03 | BigBambi | sendfirm will be fine |
| 19:27:13 | xqtftqx | ok, i didnt know if whould work |
| 19:29:26 | xqtftqx | Anybody else have the problem where if the battery got to low like low enough not to show the little out of charge icon, it whould go into recovery mode? |
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| 19:30:05 | BigBambi | yes, it needs enough battery to be able to turn on |
| 19:30:19 | BigBambi | Recovery mode isn't magic, it still needs pozer |
| 19:30:22 | BigBambi | *power |
| 19:30:44 | xqtftqx | no, like it completly runs out of charge, and you plug it in and it goes into recovery mode |
| 19:31:07 | xqtftqx | isnt the firmware update screen the recovery mode? |
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| 19:31:37 | BigBambi | no, i haven't had that |
| 19:31:57 | xqtftqx | Huh, it happened to yesterday |
| 19:32:13 | xqtftqx | Btw BigBambi i figured out why the gigabeat locked up into read only |
| 19:32:53 | xqtftqx | had to do with the linux .trash folder. so disabling the save trash on that device fixed it |
| 19:36:01 | xqtftqx | BigBambi: It worked now rockbox is loaded, thanks for your help |
| 19:36:26 | BigBambi | no problem, glad you got it sorted |
| 19:36:47 | xqtftqx | Whould it be possible to combine 3 nk.bins? |
| 19:36:52 | xqtftqx | for triple boot |
| 19:37:24 | BigBambi | with what? |
| 19:37:45 | xqtftqx | idk, just wondering |
| 19:38:09 | BigBambi | Well unless you can think of something else to boot it with, what is the point |
| 19:38:20 | xqtftqx | idk |
| 19:41:35 | xqtftqx | Uhh, whats with the ipod shuffle stuff in the wiki? |
| 19:42:01 | xqtftqx | nvm |
| 19:43:36 | Bagder | xqtftqx: we do spell out words in this channel... |
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| 19:52:02 | xqtftqx | sorry |
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| 20:37:53 | gevaerts | Does checkwps compile for other people ? |
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| 20:44:12 | bertrik | no, checkwps does not compile for me |
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| 20:45:18 | pixelma | bertrik: the coloured diff on the website doesn't show whitespace changes |
| 20:45:39 | bertrik | pixelma, ok, I figured that, thanks |
| 20:46:07 | * | pixelma should have read a bit further... sorry |
| 20:48:54 | * | gevaerts blames jdgordon |
| 20:50:52 | gevaerts | r17690 broke checkwps |
| 20:51:54 | gevaerts | git is _nice_ for this |
| 20:53:26 | * | gevaerts has no idea on how to fix this, so it's off to flyspray |
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| 20:57:52 | ipod | hey |
| 20:58:06 | ipod | anyone here from last nite |
| 20:58:59 | ipod | can some one help me put doom on my ipod nano |
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| 20:59:51 | pixelma | gevaerts: that commit is not to everyone's likings anyway |
| 20:59:54 | krazykit | ipod, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
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| 21:00:07 | ipod | do i download it |
| 21:00:12 | krazykit | read the wiki page |
| 21:01:29 | gevaerts | pixelma: I'm not going to take a position on that. WPS is totally outside my expertise, except that I want to fix my custom cabbie version |
| 21:03:53 | PaulJam__ | gevaerts: you could use the uisim (with −−debugwps for more details) |
| 21:04:11 | * | gevaerts will try that |
| 21:04:53 | Ice`` | http://pc-games.multimedia.md/games/diablo-3-official-demo-leaked.html |
| 21:05:30 | * | gevaerts points Ice`` to the topic |
| 21:05:42 | Ice`` | gevaerts: I know that. |
| 21:05:52 | Ice`` | But just read the news. |
| 21:05:57 | gevaerts | So ? |
| 21:06:24 | gevaerts | You violated at least two of the rules |
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| 21:08:21 | Ice`` | If that's true, this news is more important than my presence here. So I incur the possibility to be banned, and that's too bad. |
| 21:09:07 | gevaerts | Both this news and your presence here are absolutely of zero importance to rockbox |
| 21:10:27 | Ice`` | gevaerts: ... You seems to be of that people who think they are better than others. |
| 21:11:02 | Ice`` | I don't want to have anything to do with you. I remember I ignored you for somethink you said to another user. |
| 21:11:17 | Ice`` | I think I'll set the ignore once again. |
| 21:11:29 | krazykit | Ice``, this is a rockbox-related channel. please take non-rockbox chatter elsewhere |
| 21:11:38 | Ice`` | krazykit: I know that. |
| 21:11:48 | Llorean | Ice``: Diablo has nothing at all to do with Rockbox. |
| 21:11:53 | Ice`` | But I would like to help on a rockbox port |
| 21:12:00 | Ice`` | (a specific one, yeah) |
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| 21:14:55 | Llorean | Ice``: Do you intend to spam the channel like that in the future, or will you only post Rockbox related things? |
| 21:15:41 | Ice`` | Llorean: If you want to kick/kb me out of there, I think you don't need my permission. |
| 21:15:55 | Ice`` | But... I's a bit... rigid. |
| 21:16:07 | Llorean | I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. Are you intelligent enough to realize we don't want that crap here, and willing to put up with the rules, or not? |
| 21:16:43 | Ice`` | I now know you don't want anything here, but rockbox related stuff. |
| 21:17:09 | Llorean | You already knew, you even admitted as such. I'm asking about your future actions, not your knowledge. |
| 21:17:12 | * | bluebrother goes for popcorn and looks at the new rbutil tasks in the tracker in the meanwhile |
| 21:17:48 | Ice`` | I don't like rules but as long I'm not annoyed by someone who don't follow them and who is not moderated... |
| 21:18:18 | PaulJam__ | Ice``: please read the IrcGuidelines linked tin the topic again and maybe you aunderstand why offtopic chatter is not desired here. |
| 21:18:34 | moos | Ice: are you developer, and wanna port something to *rockbox*? |
| 21:18:47 | Llorean | Ice``: Any member of the channel has the right to call to your attention when you aren't following the rules as posted in the topic. |
| 21:19:19 | Llorean | Ice``: If you spam again, for example with another link to something so completely irrelevant to Rockbox, I'll be quite happy to be rid of you. |
| 21:19:25 | Ice`` | PaulJam__ & others: I'm on irc since a very long time. I know all of that. If you want to play the coybow, get me out of here. Else, I doubt I'll annoy you again in the future. |
| 21:19:26 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Llorean " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 21:19:31 | Ice`` | I've nothing to add. |
| 21:19:48 | Mode | "#rockbox -o Llorean " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 21:20:35 | Ice`` | moos: and yes, I'm a developper, I would like to work on "Creative Zen V / V Plus rockbox port". |
| 21:21:08 | moos | Ice: nice, then just please keep on topic |
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| 21:22:08 | bluebrother | Ice``: _if_ you are used to IRC since quite a long time, as you claim, why don't you accept channel rules? In that case you should be aware of that and know how annoying it can be if people constantly ignore it |
| 21:22:17 | bluebrother | especially if those people claim being used to irc. |
| 21:22:49 | MTee | moos : you know arabic, right ? |
| 21:23:28 | moos | MTee: right, almost; but I don't now technical one |
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| 21:25:21 | bertrik | gevaerts, you fixed checkwps? |
| 21:25:37 | gevaerts | bertrik: no. I just updated my own wps |
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| 21:29:17 | xqtftqx | Anybody know if the calendar app is text based? or graphics based? |
| 21:31:53 | bluebrother | what calendar app? The plugin in the tracker? |
| 21:32:07 | xqtftqx | no calendar.c |
| 21:32:18 | PaulJam | i think the recorder has a calendar plugin. |
| 21:32:28 | xqtftqx | yes the recorder calendar |
| 21:32:38 | moos | bluebrother: for old archoses |
| 21:32:45 | moos | oops, too slow :) |
| 21:33:09 | xqtftqx | and why isnt it included with other builds? |
| 21:33:22 | bluebrother | looking at the code it draws lines −− so it's graphical |
| 21:33:40 | moos | xqftqx: feel free to port it to others targets... |
| 21:34:33 | bluebrother | there is a calender plugin for h300 at least in the tracker |
| 21:34:46 | xqtftqx | i know, just lookin around in the source |
| 21:34:51 | moos | yup an olddddd one |
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| 21:48:28 | Llorean | Guys, can I ask a favour (of those with the appropriate permissions). For now, if you see a bug or patch that you think is worth looking into for 3.0, set it as "Due in 3.0" so we have a sort of "high priority" list to look through for the moment? |
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| 22:02:51 | * | gevaerts wonders if the "bounty" bit on FeatureRequests should be there. |
| 22:05:05 | bluebrother | nah −− we don't want feature request anyway, do we? ;-) |
| 22:05:24 | bluebrother | would give some impression that it would make a difference (which I doubt it would) |
| 22:06:28 | gevaerts | That's my impression too. And when people actually suggest that they would pay for something, that idea is not always welcomed |
| 22:06:45 | Genre9mp3 | bluebrother: you mean we don't wan't playstation emulator on h100s, as well? |
| 22:06:51 | * | Genre9mp3 oh noes! |
| 22:07:05 | bluebrother | I only want that coffee maker plugin! |
| 22:07:21 | gevaerts | Has there actually ever been a successful bounty-driven patch for rockbox ? |
| 22:09:15 | amiconn | domonoky: Is that literal "/" the correct way to separate path components in Qt? I'd expect some kind of path separator macro, as that character usually differs between OSes |
| 22:11:28 | bluebrother | amiconn: no, Qt internally uses /. It can cope with the \ too btw. |
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| 22:11:43 | amiconn | ah |
| 22:11:57 | * | amiconn wonders whether the macos path separator is still ":" |
| 22:12:21 | * | gevaerts guesses not. The bsd base would not like that too much |
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| 22:12:48 | bluebrother | as \ is an escape character I pretty much prefer using / ... |
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| 22:19:58 | domonoky | :-) |
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| 22:28:00 | * | gevaerts removed the bounty hint from the wiki |
| 22:28:46 | bluebrother | hmm, checkwps was also broken by r17763 |
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| 22:30:30 | pixelma | than that's not the only thing r17763 broke |
| 22:31:12 | * | gevaerts doesn't like checkwps being broken by those commits that actually make it useful |
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| 22:34:07 | * | bluebrother neither |
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| 22:41:37 | PaulJam_ | i think for WPS designers checkwps is pretty much useless, since the uisim does the same and addditionaly serves as a preview. the only use i see in checkwps would be for automated checking of multiple WPS for compatibility (for example to mark them as broken). |
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| 22:46:51 | bluebrother | PaulJam_: well, running checkwps for checking about basic syntax errors is faster than opening it in the sim. |
| 22:47:01 | bluebrother | so I think it isn't useless at all |
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| 22:57:47 | pixelma | bluebrother: but I agree with PaulJam_ about the different use(r)s |
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| 23:04:32 | bertrik | I like the idea of automated wps checking. Maybe a similar thing can be done for patches in the tracker, so a patch submitter gets something like a "rotten patch alert" when a patch no longer applies. |
| 23:06:49 | stripwax | I like the idea of automated emails to tell the patch author when a patch no longer applies cleanly but i fear it would be unworkable and generated waaaay too much noise (and spam) |
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| 23:11:04 | * | gevaerts likes the idea of beer |
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| 23:15:48 | * | bertrik tries to understand what some parts of the battery bench plugin are supposed to do |
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| 23:22:15 | gevaerts | Seeing r17931, could there be an easy way to get the volume range for the manual from VOLUME_MIN and VOLUME_MAX ? |
| 23:24:34 | * | pixelma wonders why it wasn't filled out and where tucoz reappeared from |
| 23:24:44 | pixelma | though not here |
| 23:25:06 | Bagder | I hear he has risen from the dead! |
| 23:25:42 | bluebrother | oh, he went down to the hades? And I thought he just went to the user-side for a while. |
| 23:25:46 | Bagder | well, from the idle ones anyway |
| 23:26:17 | Bagder | it's hard to tell the difference at times ;-) |
| 23:26:48 | * | gevaerts sees dead idle users |
| 23:27:10 | bluebrother | indeed, all those users are dead ;-) |
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| 23:29:23 | uhmgawa | could I get edit perm for http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SigmaTelSTMP3xxx ? |
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| 23:29:28 | * | preglow idles |
| 23:29:49 | bluebrother | uhmgawa: what's your real name? |
| 23:30:44 | gevaerts | Seriously though, it would be great to get all sorts of things (this, the button mappings,...) directly from the source |
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