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| 00:02:33 | mcuelenaere | anyone with a Gigabeat S and Windows around? |
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| 00:05:06 | Nico_P | mcuelenaere: depends, is any compilattion required? |
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| 00:08:18 | mcuelenaere | Nico_P: no, I can give you the binaries |
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| 00:14:08 | bertrik | Any experts on battery bench here? |
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| 00:15:38 | Nico_P | mcuelenaere: actually I think it's a little late for some testing right now... maybe tomorrow if noone else has done it for you |
| 00:15:43 | Nico_P | sorry |
| 00:17:40 | * | Nico_P goes to bed |
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| 00:18:31 | stripwax | bertrik - what's the question |
| 00:18:45 | stripwax | (Buschel's the expert) |
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| 00:19:31 | mcuelenaere | Nico_P: no problem |
| 00:19:32 | ipod | how can i put a rockbox theme i downloaded onto ipod |
| 00:19:55 | Chronon | ipod: Just unzip it to the root of your iPod |
| 00:20:12 | ipod | ok |
| 00:20:17 | ipod | thats it |
| 00:20:37 | bertrik | I don't quite understand how often a battery measurement is logged |
| 00:20:57 | * | gevaerts wonders if there is a particular reason for that windows mtp thing to use uppercase filenames |
| 00:21:19 | bertrik | It seems there is a difference now depending on whether it's a flash target or not, with an apparent very long measurement interval for disk-based targets |
| 00:21:34 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: no, that's just Visual Studio I suppose.. |
| 00:22:34 | bertrik | I wonder if simply taking a measurement (say) once a minute regardless of target being disk or flash would make more sense |
| 00:23:04 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: ok. So if anyone cares, it can be changed I guess |
| 00:23:16 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: indeed |
| 00:23:22 | ipod | do i overwrite the files |
| 00:23:23 | * | gevaerts doesn't care enough |
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| 00:25:31 | PaulJam_ | ipod: yes |
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| 00:29:20 | Chronon | Does anyone know what the problem was with the original Cabbie version for the ? The wiki says it was removed for copyright reasons. |
| 00:29:35 | Llorean | Gigabeat logo |
| 00:29:43 | Chronon | Okay |
| 00:29:55 | Chronon | Was that also present in the other non-gigabeat versions? |
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| 00:30:22 | ipod | do they have any that shows album art |
| 00:30:28 | ipod | that would b nice |
| 00:30:30 | Llorean | Chronon: Dunno. Maybe there was something else. |
| 00:30:51 | * | Chronon shrugs. Not a huge deal. I was just curious |
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| 00:32:06 | xqtftqx | Anybody know of a album art downloader for linux |
| 00:32:42 | ipod | anybody know of a way to get album art |
| 00:32:48 | ipod | on ipod nano |
| 00:32:54 | * | gevaerts spots an echo |
| 00:32:55 | Chronon | ipod: read the AlbumArt page on the wiki |
| 00:33:07 | xqtftqx | I dont see anything for linux |
| 00:33:13 | ipod | ok |
| 00:33:55 | ipod | where is it |
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| 00:35:35 | Chronon | ipod |
| 00:35:43 | Chronon | go to rockbox.org and click on the wiki link |
| 00:35:53 | stripwax | you can even Search it |
| 00:35:59 | shotofadds | bit late... |
| 00:36:46 | stripwax | bertrik - not sure, I don't recall the interval changing on disk based targets (but I don't have a flash target) |
| 00:37:35 | Chronon | xqtftqx: there's a java based one on the AlbumArt page that works in Linux. It's not automated, but I have found automated downloading to give a lot of bad hits anyway. |
| 00:38:11 | xqtftqx | It wont run proberly for me |
| 00:38:23 | pixelma | bertrik: I thought the measurement was logged when the voltage actually changed? Though it's only hearsay and might have changed in the meantime. |
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| 00:39:44 | stripwax | From wiki: "Between disk activity (or an hour), it will log info in memory (every measurement is captured when the voltage changes)." |
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| 00:43:08 | bertrik | hmm, on closer inspection of the code it's done each 'disk spindown time minus 1 second' and indeed only if the voltage didn't change |
| 00:43:16 | bertrik | *did |
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| 02:17:14 | Guest86716 | can someone tell me how to get album art display on ipod nano using rockbox |
| 02:18:01 | Chronon | Have a look at the AlbumArt page on the wiki. |
| 02:18:10 | Guest86716 | can you link it |
| 02:18:20 | Guest86716 | to me cuz i cant seem to find it |
| 02:18:30 | Chronon | go to rockbox.org |
| 02:18:36 | Chronon | there's a wiki link |
| 02:19:36 | Guest86716 | ok i cant find the album art page |
| 02:19:53 | Chronon | You can either search for it, or you can enter the WikiWord as I wrote it |
| 02:20:17 | Chronon | I.e. enter AlbumArt in the box in the upper right hand corner. |
| 02:23:31 | Guest86716 | they have to be in bitmap format |
| 02:25:44 | Guest86716 | dj osama |
| 02:26:13 | Guest86716 | how do i download themes that support album art |
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| 02:29:15 | Chronon | ? Click on the link... |
| 02:31:52 | Chronon | There's a theme gallery, or you can use the Rockbox Utility to install themes. |
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| 03:22:10 | i | can someone walk me through how to put album art |
| 03:22:16 | i | on a ipod nano |
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| 03:22:59 | Guest93266 | hellois any1 there |
| 03:24:25 | Guest93266 | can someone walk me through how to put album art on ipod nano i got my .btm to 100x100 just need to know where to put it |
| 03:25:04 | Ice`` | take a loot at the wiki |
| 03:25:24 | ze | yes, loot, just don't rape or pillage |
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| 03:26:17 | ze | guess that reduced to contradictory and then nonsensical, i retract it :p |
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| 03:28:49 | Strife89 | I'm having a little trouble with the "pictureflow" plugin. |
| 03:29:02 | Ice`` | become blind. |
| 03:29:16 | Strife89 | It shows no album art, yet the WPS shows album art just fine. |
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| 03:29:48 | Strife89 | My album art consists of 40x40 .bmps in the directory "/.rockbox/albumart" |
| 03:30:12 | Ice`` | Strife89: what player do you use? |
| 03:30:23 | Strife89 | Sansa c250 |
| 03:30:29 | Ice`` | Hmm |
| 03:30:45 | Ice`` | Do you have tried rockbox emulator? |
| 03:30:58 | Ice`` | To see if the same problem occurs? |
| 03:31:16 | Strife89 | Nah, the simulator never cooperates with me. I can't use the file browser or access plugins. |
| 03:32:05 | Ice`` | Huhu. |
| 03:32:14 | Strife89 | All my albums show up in PictureFlow, but with "blank" covers. |
| 03:32:28 | Ice`` | If you think it's a bug, ask in the forum, in the Sansa bug section |
| 03:33:06 | Strife89 | That's the thing. I'm worried that I may be using a storage method not yet implemented for the plugin. |
| 03:33:23 | Strife89 | I'm really not sure. |
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| 03:34:02 | Strife89 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPictureFlow |
| 03:34:33 | Strife89 | And the AlbumArt wiki page..... |
| 03:34:33 | Strife89 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
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| 03:36:31 | Ice`` | I'm sorry, I'm using lynx, and it doesn't support tabbed browsing. |
| 03:36:46 | Ice`` | So I won't go to see what you're talking about |
| 03:36:46 | Strife89 | Open a new window. ;) |
| 03:37:06 | Ice`` | I'm too lazy |
| 03:37:19 | Strife89 | Okay, then. I'll point it out. |
| 03:37:25 | Ice`` | =] |
| 03:37:48 | Strife89 | (Warning: there won't be any pastebins: I'll paste directly into IRC.........) |
| 03:37:58 | Ice`` | Hem |
| 03:38:03 | Ice`` | No no, pastebin it! |
| 03:38:03 | Strife89 | (Pastebins will kill the point) |
| 03:38:14 | Ice`` | No, but. |
| 03:38:17 | Ice`` | Raah |
| 03:38:33 | Strife89 | Patsebin or no? You said you were lazy. :) |
| 03:38:54 | Ice`` | Too lazy to look at the wiki yes |
| 03:39:02 | Strife89 | Fine, patebin. |
| 03:39:02 | Ice`` | but not to look at some source |
| 03:39:19 | Strife89 | It's not source. I'm snipping from the wiki. |
| 03:39:44 | Strife89 | So, yes or no? |
| 03:39:52 | Ice`` | And, maybe there were some images on the wiki, which I couldn't see, since I'm in shell mode. |
| 03:40:15 | Ice`` | Ok. I'll create a new window in my screen, |
| 03:40:17 | Ice`` | so. |
| 03:40:27 | Strife89 | http://pastebin.com/mb9ba9b2 |
| 03:41:20 | Strife89 | The above is from the AlbumArt page (where to put the files). I use method 4. |
| 03:41:55 | Strife89 | And..... |
| 03:41:55 | Strife89 | http://pastebin.com/md56dc9f |
| 03:42:08 | Strife89 | That's from the PictureFlow page. |
| 03:42:09 | * | shadoxx is back ( Away 19 hours 50 mins 54 secs ) |
| 03:42:10 | Ice`` | No but, don't pastebin it... |
| 03:42:20 | Ice`` | I already am on the wiki =/ |
| 03:42:29 | Strife89 | Oh. |
| 03:42:33 | Ice`` | (sorry for all this) |
| 03:42:39 | Strife89 | It's fine. |
| 03:43:04 | Strife89 | Do I need to repost the Wiki links? |
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| 03:45:19 | Ice`` | No, no. |
| 03:45:26 | Ice`` | I can scroll back |
| 03:45:50 | Ice`` | the problem was about to open another shell thread. |
| 03:46:54 | Ice`` | If you stop playback |
| 03:47:00 | Ice`` | do the images appears? |
| 03:48:15 | Strife89 | I ran the plugin with playback stopped. |
| 03:48:22 | Strife89 | Not paused. |
| 03:48:24 | Ice`` | Okay... |
| 03:48:41 | Ice`` | So it's not a memory lack problem. |
| 03:49:00 | Strife89 | When I tried it while paused (before I saw the wiki) the plugin actually crashed. >_< |
| 03:49:34 | Strife89 | I'm charging the thing right now (I'm in the OF) but it's almost done, I think..... |
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| 03:49:50 | Ice`` | Hmm |
| 03:50:56 | Ice`` | I think that you initialized the database too? |
| 03:51:03 | Strife89 | Yep. :) |
| 03:51:15 | Ice`` | =] |
| 03:52:38 | Ice`` | Haha |
| 03:52:41 | Ice`` | Screenshots |
| 03:52:42 | Ice`` | Haha |
| 03:52:45 | Ice`` | Well |
| 03:52:50 | Ice`` | The other page, now |
| 03:52:55 | Ice`` | After, i sleep. |
| 03:53:04 | Ice`` | Cause I already am in bed =p |
| 03:53:07 | Strife89 | Get some sleep, then. |
| 03:53:15 | Strife89 | I'll worry about it tomorrow. |
| 03:53:17 | Strife89 | :) |
| 03:53:34 | Ice`` | 'f you want, but I can have a look |
| 03:53:55 | Strife89 | Nah, it's fine. Get yourself some rest. :) |
| 03:54:15 | Ice`` | thx |
| 03:54:26 | Strife89 | Good night, then. |
| 03:54:31 | Ice`` | I have to "wake up" in about 3 hrs. |
| 03:54:34 | Ice`` | Thx |
| 03:54:38 | Strife89 | Ouch. |
| 03:54:41 | Ice`` | Yeah =p |
| 03:54:42 | Ice`` | I' |
| 03:54:45 | Strife89 | k |
| 03:54:47 | Ice`` | I'm in france. |
| 03:54:53 | Strife89 | USA. |
| 03:55:00 | Strife89 | It's 9:54 P.M. |
| 03:55:19 | Strife89 | Okay, 'night. :) |
| 03:55:19 | Ice`` | And I experience some issues with the enter touch, situated far too close to the ' one. |
| 03:55:35 | Ice`` | s/touch/key |
| 03:56:08 | Ice`` | Thx. |
| 03:56:20 | Strife89 | Bye. :) |
| 03:56:20 | Ice`` | gd n8 to u2. |
| 03:56:23 | Ice`` | BB o/ |
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| 04:55:02 | * | wpyh has finished another round of runtime testing on iPod 5.5g |
| 04:55:37 | wpyh | Buschel: looping one song at 320kbps, I get about 21:15 with RB and 22:00 with the OF |
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| 06:09:57 | SETH_HIKARU | i remembered my question!.... i get a plugin returned error on disk_tidy when i start to clean up, it always stops at the same folder and says plugin returmed error |
| 06:10:45 | SETH_HIKARU | returned* |
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| 06:17:27 | SETH_HIKARU | um can somebody anwser my question i just stated above please and if you can't read it, say something all ill post it again |
| 06:17:43 | SETH_HIKARU | and not all |
| 06:18:01 | soap | there are 115 people in here, your message is seen. People will answer when they can if they can, don't worry. |
| 06:18:36 | SETH_HIKARU | well it kinda sounds like nobody is talking because nothing is coming up on my screen |
| 06:18:48 | SETH_HIKARU | im just saying |
| 06:18:57 | soap | you're right, nobody is talking right now. |
| 06:19:24 | advcomp2019 | SETH_HIKARU, there is slow times on here |
| 06:19:34 | soap | It's 6 am in europe, 5 am in England, and midnight on the east coast of the USA. That's a large segment of the community asleep. |
| 06:19:53 | SETH_HIKARU | sooo whats uh... going on |
| 06:20:32 | SETH_HIKARU | this isnt the ipodlinux irc channel help is not volutay here otherwaise it would state that |
| 06:20:45 | SETH_HIKARU | *voluntary |
| 06:21:43 | cool_walking_ | 1. People are usually not *always* looking at the IRC window. 2. Not everyone knows the answer. 3. What do you mean not voluntary? The whole project is voluntary. |
| 06:21:52 | soap | I'm not sure I understand your last statement, or was that a question? We do have IRC guidelines, which not only explain what the rules are - but might help you understand the "culture" of the channel and the expectations. |
| 06:22:05 | shadoxx | How do I checkout svn? |
| 06:22:21 | soap | Please read the channel topic for a link to said guidelines as well as other useful information. |
| 06:22:30 | shadoxx | oh, duh |
| 06:22:36 | shadoxx | forgot about that. sorry |
| 06:22:36 | soap | sorry shadoxx, that was for SETH_HIKARU. |
| 06:22:41 | shadoxx | oh |
| 06:22:56 | cool_walking_ | shadoxx, do you have a dev environment set up already? |
| 06:23:13 | shadoxx | Well, you can compile rockbox on Linux right? |
| 06:23:27 | shadoxx | I figure I'll just apt-get whatever I don't have |
| 06:23:36 | cool_walking_ | Yes, provided you have the right tools installed. If you want to build for a target, you need the cross-compilers. |
| 06:23:40 | SETH_HIKARU | soap: im saying this isnt like the ipodlinux irc channel where help is voluntary there and i remembered i ignore a whole bunch of people who would have probably answer my question i first stated when i came it here |
| 06:23:41 | soap | shadoxx, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers has everything you need. |
| 06:23:49 | shadoxx | ty soap |
| 06:24:19 | shadoxx | I found that someone else had already tried to start a port to the YH-820 |
| 06:24:34 | shadoxx | Apparently I need the tatung bootloader |
| 06:24:44 | soap | shadoxx, you are going to need to more than apt-get, you are also going to need to run the rockboxdev.sh script to build the cross-compilers. That being said that wiki index page I linked you should have everything you need. |
| 06:24:57 | shadoxx | kk |
| 06:25:40 | SETH_HIKARU | BigBambi: I have unignored you so you can answer my question now |
| 06:25:57 | soap | SETH_HIKARU, this channel is (in many ways) exactly like the ipodlinux channel. It is the same in that the projects are both all voluntary. It is different in that #rockbox is not for social chat. |
| 06:26:20 | SETH_HIKARU | that is if you are actually not idling like i think you are |
| 06:28:00 | * | SETH_HIKARU slaps BigBambi around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:28:32 | SETH_HIKARU | BisBambi: Are you there now to answer my question I first stated? |
| 06:30:44 | advcomp2019 | SETH_HIKARU, some people are not at their computers or not viewing their irc clients.. so please hold on |
| 06:31:30 | SETH_HIKARU | im trying i unignored all the people i ignored |
| 06:31:42 | SETH_HIKARU | ill just state my question again |
| 06:31:55 | SETH_HIKARU | i get a plugin returned error on disk_tidy when i start to clean up, it always stops at the same folder and says plugin returmed error |
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| 06:35:28 | SETH_HIKARU | getting.. tired... of waiting |
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| 06:36:31 | SETH_HIKARU | someone has to be at least be able to somewhat help me with my question cause i know at least with 115 people in here at least 20 are bound to be looking at there screen now |
| 06:37:27 | advcomp2019 | SETH_HIKARU, it just depends on when the people sleep and work tho |
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| 06:39:41 | SETH_HIKARU | well your here what do you do sit around and do nothing cant you help me with my question |
| 06:39:44 | SETH_HIKARU | please |
| 06:39:49 | SETH_HIKARU | if you can say that |
| 06:40:00 | SETH_HIKARU | *can't |
| 06:40:14 | shadoxx | SETH_HIKARU: I'm sure if someone could help you they would have answered you by now |
| 06:40:19 | shadoxx | It is 12:40AM |
| 06:40:28 | SETH_HIKARU | ya your time |
| 06:40:35 | shadoxx | Some people have to work in the morning |
| 06:40:56 | SETH_HIKARU | and you people are talking to me so that implies something |
| 06:41:05 | SETH_HIKARU | you can answer my question |
| 06:41:20 | cool_walking_ | If people don't know the answer, they won't say anything. |
| 06:41:21 | shadoxx | I don't know how I got here. I not good with computer. |
| 06:41:27 | cool_walking_ | I don't think it's a good idea for all 100 people to say "I'm sorry, I don't know the answer". You'll flood the channel. |
| 06:42:09 | SETH_HIKARU | well thats to bad but i hate waiting for stuff |
| 06:42:17 | SETH_HIKARU | for like several days at a time |
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| 06:43:24 | advcomp2019 | SETH_HIKARU, you could look at the logs to see if people might have asked it before too |
| 06:43:55 | advcomp2019 | or even someone replied to you when you are not here |
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| 06:44:03 | SETH_HIKARU | well where the heck are the logs pray i might ask |
| 06:44:49 | cool_walking_ | http://rockbox.org/irc |
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| 06:46:29 | cool_walking_ | You can search them with google with "<search tems> site:rockbox.org/irc" |
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| 06:49:49 | SETH_HIKARU | ya i see that |
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| 06:51:37 | SETH_HIKARU | well im leaving cause im not waiting for an answer goodbye |
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| 07:28:18 | jimmy1990 | can someone tell me where to put albun art in rockbox |
| 07:29:53 | jimmy1990 | ive read the wiki on it i dont understand where to put them |
| 07:34:03 | jimmy1990 | can anyone help me |
| 07:35:29 | shadoxx | Isn't it embedded in the MP3 jimmy1990? |
| 07:35:33 | shadoxx | as metadata |
| 07:36:00 | jimmy1990 | no |
| 07:36:10 | jimmy1990 | i got all my tracks in acc |
| 07:36:12 | cool_walking_ | As far as I know, embedded art doesn't work |
| 07:36:17 | jimmy1990 | aac |
| 07:36:22 | jimmy1990 | o what up im ipod |
| 07:36:27 | jimmy1990 | frm las nite |
| 07:36:29 | jimmy1990 | lol |
| 07:36:36 | cool_walking_ | oh hi |
| 07:37:04 | cool_walking_ | So the wiki page you're talking about is rockbox.org/wiki/AlbumArt ? |
| 07:37:13 | jimmy1990 | yea |
| 07:37:26 | jimmy1990 | i dont get where the hell im supposed to put it |
| 07:37:28 | cool_walking_ | How are your covers named? |
| 07:37:35 | jimmy1990 | hold on |
| 07:38:17 | jimmy1990 | just the album name |
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| 07:38:38 | cool_walking_ | Are they bitmaps (.bmp) ? |
| 07:38:43 | jimmy1990 | yea |
| 07:38:56 | jimmy1990 | and they is 100x100 |
| 07:39:04 | jimmy1990 | i knew i had to do that |
| 07:39:13 | jimmy1990 | but now where do i put it |
| 07:39:31 | cool_walking_ | Does the album name exactly match the album name that is in the music files' metadata? |
| 07:39:39 | cool_walking_ | metadata = tags |
| 07:39:58 | jimmy1990 | hold on |
| 07:40:13 | jimmy1990 | sure does |
| 07:41:38 | cool_walking_ | Are you using a WPS that uses album art? |
| 07:41:55 | jimmy1990 | u mean the theme |
| 07:42:02 | cool_walking_ | Yes. FYI the default theme does support it. |
| 07:42:48 | jimmy1990 | i know i got aapodsvn |
| 07:43:22 | jimmy1990 | i just dont know where am i supposed to put the album art |
| 07:43:41 | cool_walking_ | It should be in the same folder as the music file. |
| 07:44:04 | jimmy1990 | well all my music is in the database |
| 07:44:21 | cool_walking_ | Yes, but it still has a physical location on the disk. |
| 07:44:38 | jimmy1990 | where is it |
| 07:44:54 | cool_walking_ | Did you put the music on via iTunes? |
| 07:45:21 | jimmy1990 | yea |
| 07:46:13 | cool_walking_ | Okay, then all the music will have munted filenames. You're going to have to put the covers in /.rockbox/albumart/ and name them artist-albumtitle.bmp |
| 07:46:42 | jimmy1990 | ok i will try |
| 07:48:17 | jimmy1990 | put it looking |
| 07:48:36 | cool_walking_ | huh? |
| 07:48:41 | jimmy1990 | still nothing |
| 07:49:02 | cool_walking_ | what is one of the filenames you've used? |
| 07:49:10 | cool_walking_ | for a cover? |
| 07:49:41 | jimmy1990 | Plies-My World.bmp |
| 07:51:49 | cool_walking_ | Hold on, i'm gonna test that filename pattern - I only ever used cover.bmp before. |
| 07:52:02 | jimmy1990 | k |
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| 07:56:19 | jimmy1990 | will it work if my tracks are aac |
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| 07:57:45 | cool_walking_ | Yeah, it shouldn't matter what format they are, just that they have tags for artist and album that Rockbox can see. |
| 07:58:06 | jimmy1990 | do they have to b id3 |
| 07:58:29 | jimmy1990 | but all my shit is named right |
| 07:58:54 | cool_walking_ | No it doesn't have to be ID3, because I have OGGs |
| 07:59:28 | jimmy1990 | so then if worse comes to worse what am i going to haveta do |
| 07:59:55 | cool_walking_ | I don't have a tag editor installed to test that specific album/artist, but ".rockbox/albumart/Electric Wizard-Dopethrone.bmp" works fine |
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| 08:00:52 | jimmy1990 | then why isnt mine working |
| 08:00:55 | jimmy1990 | ?? |
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| 08:01:36 | shadoxx | Doesn't AAC use like, Apple's Atom metadata? I ask because I honestly have no clue |
| 08:01:49 | cool_walking_ | If you look at the properties for the music file (from the context menu), can you see the artist and album tags? |
| 08:02:15 | jimmy1990 | ok holdon |
| 08:02:47 | jimmy1990 | umean in rockbox rite |
| 08:02:54 | cool_walking_ | erm.. can you find out the filename from the database? I don't use it. |
| 08:02:59 | cool_walking_ | yes |
| 08:03:04 | jimmy1990 | yea |
| 08:03:31 | cool_walking_ | You can see the artist and album tags? |
| 08:04:05 | jimmy1990 | yea |
| 08:04:19 | jimmy1990 | when i open the album folder i see the name of the album |
| 08:05:04 | jimmy1990 | then when i press the album i see the indivdal track names |
| 08:06:40 | jimmy1990 | i dont understand why the hell its not working |
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| 08:08:19 | Buschel | wpyh: (for the logs) I still doubt your assumption about only HDD being the main factor for runtime diff between OF and RB on 5G |
| 08:09:12 | jimmy1990 | what do i gotta do to beable to get this to work |
| 08:09:28 | jimmy1990 | i like to have my album art on all my stuff |
| 08:09:28 | Buschel | wpyh: your OF-measurements shows that it uses average ~26.4mA, RB uses ~27.3mA. But you switched off the power supply for accessories −− the OF always enables this. |
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| 08:09:46 | LinusN | jimmy1990: you could try running it in the simulator and see what files it tries to open |
| 08:09:57 | jimmy1990 | how do i do that |
| 08:10:06 | jimmy1990 | where is the simulator |
| 08:10:27 | Buschel | wpyh: so, there is at least a difference of ~0.9mA + 1.5mA (accessory supply) = 2.4mA which equals about 7MHz clock |
| 08:10:52 | cool_walking_ | jimmy1990: rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ |
| 08:11:23 | jimmy1990 | i gottadownload |
| 08:12:09 | Buschel | wpyh: hmm, whereas some MHz might be connected to WPS-updating... we do not know about influence of GUI updates within the OF |
| 08:13:06 | Buschel | wpyh: RB needs about 4MHz for WPS @5fps (the fps are hardcoded) |
| 08:13:23 | jimmy1990 | im downloading now |
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| 08:15:05 | jimmy1990 | now its building the data base |
| 08:15:45 | * | Buschel wonders if it is possible to further optmize WPS-code to only perform full screen updates, if the content changed |
| 08:15:58 | jimmy1990 | idk how to use it |
| 08:16:19 | jimmy1990 | so what do i gotta do to get my album art displayed |
| 08:16:31 | Buschel | e.g. time updates will be necessary only once per second, not 5 times per second |
| 08:16:45 | cool_walking_ | jimmy1990, extract the zip archive somewhere, then do Start->Run-> "cmd". |
| 08:16:58 | Buschel | and the progress bar shall be drawn @5fps, but it doesn't need a full screen update |
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| 08:17:07 | jimmy1990 | ok |
| 08:17:22 | jimmy1990 | i did start run cmd a blk window popes up |
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| 08:17:59 | cool_walking_ | in the black window, type "cd <path to directory where you extracted the sim>" |
| 08:18:37 | cool_walking_ | and press enter |
| 08:20:35 | cool_walking_ | you can copy-paste the directory name into the black window |
| 08:21:05 | jimmy1990 | do u got windows messenger |
| 08:21:11 | cool_walking_ | no |
| 08:21:29 | jimmy1990 | can u dowload it and do remote assisance |
| 08:21:52 | jimmy1990 | cuz i aint getting this worth a fuck |
| 08:21:53 | amiconn | Buschel: The mono bitmap drawing can be optimized further. I am already thinking about it |
| 08:22:19 | Buschel | amiconn: how is this connected to the WPS? fonts? |
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| 08:22:38 | amiconn | Buschel: Every single letter is a mono bitmap. |
| 08:22:55 | Buschel | amiconn: ok, a step in the right direction |
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| 08:23:29 | Buschel | amiconn: but (on a 5G) the main factor seems to be updating to BCM |
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| 08:23:49 | Buschel | amiconn: 1 fps = 30/37 MHz |
| 08:23:56 | jimmy1990 | srry man im jus new at this shit |
| 08:24:06 | jimmy1990 | and u sound like u kno more bout this than me |
| 08:24:27 | amiconn | Maybe it is for the WPS. Optimizing mono bitmap drawing will help when scrolling lists with long lines especially on G5 |
| 08:24:31 | jimmy1990 | mayb im doing something wrong and not noticeing it u kno |
| 08:24:39 | amiconn | jimmy1990: Please use proper english in here. |
| 08:24:48 | jimmy1990 | ok |
| 08:24:52 | jimmy1990 | my bad |
| 08:25:04 | jimmy1990 | but why |
| 08:25:21 | cool_walking_ | jimmy1990, okay i've got windows messenger |
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| 08:25:32 | jimmy1990 | what is your screen name |
| 08:25:40 | jimmy1990 | because i forgot mine |
| 08:25:41 | jimmy1990 | lol |
| 08:25:57 | cool_walking_ | so have i.. |
| 08:26:15 | Buschel | amiconn: for WPS: 1st option is to reduce full updates (only when content changed), 2nd option could be to use VP-rectangles (only draw these rectangles if content changed)... |
| 08:26:26 | jimmy1990 | what email addy did you put your sn under |
| 08:26:31 | Buschel | but this would mean a lot of work, i guess |
| 08:27:06 | cool_walking_ | jimmy1990, okay it's eightysevenmerc@yahoo.com.au |
| 08:27:49 | jimmy1990 | hold on |
| 08:28:15 | cool_walking_ | have to close all your porn windows? |
| 08:28:19 | jimmy1990 | r u online |
| 08:28:28 | cool_walking_ | yep |
| 08:28:28 | jimmy1990 | lil |
| 08:28:31 | jimmy1990 | lol |
| 08:28:33 | Buschel | amiconn: i once implemented a dirty-hack that saved the wps-content from the last update and compared it to the next wps-content (via string compare). screen update was only performed when there was at least one difference in the context |
| 08:28:37 | jimmy1990 | it says your offline |
| 08:28:54 | jimmy1990 | there |
| 08:29:11 | Buschel | amiconn: this limited the screen update to ~1fps (not taking into account volume changes or battery percent changes) |
| 08:29:29 | Buschel | amiconn: evil code though... |
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| 09:24:40 | * | petur found a GPL violation... somebody offering a bugfix in the form of a binary :/ |
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| 09:29:41 | markun | petur: where exactly? |
| 09:30:06 | petur | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14524.msg129004#msg129004 |
| 09:30:17 | B4gder | most violations are just by ignorance |
| 09:30:28 | petur | probably |
| 09:30:46 | petur | I'm just too curious what the fix is ;) |
| 09:33:21 | petur | hmmm seems to be some register settings |
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| 09:34:35 | petur | from reading the comments on that site, they just did trial and error changes until it worked |
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| 09:39:36 | pixelma | I'm also curious about the KarlMarx wiki name |
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| 09:50:39 | petur | hahaha |
| 09:51:02 | petur | could exist, some parents give their kids stupid names |
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| 09:52:52 | * | wpyh thinks petur can change the wording a bit |
| 09:52:57 | wpyh | it's too harsh IMO |
| 09:53:14 | petur | fair enough |
| 09:53:28 | wpyh | :-\ |
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| 09:55:06 | GodEater | petur: yeah, you left out the words "flaming torches", "pitchforks" and "angry mob" |
| 09:55:31 | petur | there, that better? |
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| 09:57:32 | wpyh | petur: that's better :) |
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| 10:26:11 | safetydan | Huzzah! The lua viewer works. |
| 10:26:47 | bertrik | lua, the script? |
| 10:26:51 | GodEater | congrats ;) |
| 10:26:59 | GodEater | yes, lua the script |
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| 10:27:34 | Nico_P | safetydan: what does that mean? lua interpreter? |
| 10:28:05 | GodEater | yep |
| 10:28:11 | safetydan | Nico_P, yes. It would basically add the ability to execute .lua files on Rockbox. Very early days yet though |
| 10:28:41 | Nico_P | nice |
| 10:28:50 | k4y | is there any possibility of moving existing functionality over to Lua scripts? |
| 10:29:09 | k4y | (i mean, obviously it's still early, i was just wondering if there was a bigger plan) |
| 10:29:11 | GodEater | I'm not sure why you'd want to... |
| 10:29:30 | pixelma | wanted to ask the same |
| 10:29:45 | safetydan | my thoughts are mostly for plugin prototyping |
| 10:29:55 | k4y | i see |
| 10:30:12 | k4y | it would be cool if i could tweak builtin rockbox behaviour by twiddling/writing my own Lua scripts |
| 10:30:24 | safetydan | also as a way (if it's performant enough) to write some plugins |
| 10:30:24 | k4y | or extend rockbox that way too |
| 10:30:40 | pixelma | because we need more plugins... |
| 10:31:23 | Nico_P | safetydan: what are you basing your code on? |
| 10:32:51 | safetydan | pixelma, probably not, but who knows what scripting might bring |
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| 10:33:06 | safetydan | Nico_P, lua 5.1 with a simple plugin wrapper |
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| 10:38:14 | preglow | safetydan: isn't lua c++? |
| 10:38:17 | * | pixelma mumbles something about documentation (and knows now that she's good at mumbling) ;\ |
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| 10:39:44 | Nico_P | preglow: it's written in C |
| 10:40:24 | preglow | k |
| 10:40:39 | preglow | can't say i see the use for a lua plug, but i guess the prototyping argument is a good one |
| 10:40:43 | preglow | prototyping things in c isn't much fun |
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| 10:43:45 | pixelma | safetydan: didn't use also start to rewrite the graphical eq screen? :) |
| 10:43:55 | pixelma | s/use/you |
| 10:44:31 | safetydan | pixelma, yes, yes I did. It's one of a number of things I have sitting in various trees on my computer :) |
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| 10:45:19 | B4gder | nothing beats sitting in a tree programming ;-P |
| 10:45:46 | safetydan | ha |
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| 10:52:49 | gevaerts | safetydan: will lua plugins be able to use sqlite databases ? |
| 10:53:01 | B4gder | the icons don't appear on /me lines... |
| 10:53:27 | * | Nico_P likes this addtion |
| 10:53:45 | Nico_P | B4gder: higlighting also doesn't work on /me lines |
| 10:53:49 | safetydan | gevaerts, that would mean embedding sqlite in the lua viewer which would probably make the plugin too large to load |
| 10:54:20 | gevaerts | safetydan: then we'll just have to increase the plugin buffer size. This is too important! |
| 10:54:25 | Nico_P | hehe |
| 10:54:42 | Nico_P | gevaerts: we still need to find a use for sqlite :) |
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| 10:54:57 | gevaerts | Nico_P: exactly. This could be the one |
| 10:55:05 | safetydan | I was really hoping sqlite would compile down to a smaller size |
| 10:57:35 | Nico_P | safetydan: maybe it can be tuned down a bit |
| 10:57:51 | preglow | how big did lua end up? |
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| 10:58:24 | safetydan | preglow, don't know yet. It's only running in the sim. Allegedly it can be compiled in 63k |
| 10:58:32 | preglow | not bad |
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| 10:59:15 | safetydan | Nico_P, I think the smallest sqlite can get is 160k though I could never get it that small |
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| 11:01:16 | Nico_P | safetydan: IIRC with everything included it was ~250K (gevaerts?)... if you manage to get lua under 100K it's still OK, isn't it? |
| 11:01:45 | Nico_P | s/K/k |
| 11:01:52 | preglow | why is sqlite so important here? |
| 11:01:53 | safetydan | how big is the plugin buffer anyway? |
| 11:02:05 | preglow | half a meg, afaik |
| 11:02:16 | safetydan | preglow, every operating system needs a database right? |
| 11:02:32 | gevaerts | preglow: easy. A lot of people find sqlite useless, and a lot of people find lua useless, so the logical thing to do is to combine them :) |
| 11:02:39 | preglow | hahaha |
| 11:02:55 | preglow | i see more use for lua itself as a prototyping tool than anything else, and sqlite fits poorly then |
| 11:03:16 | lucent | gevaerts: sounds like the Top Gear synopsis for the Mazda RX-8 |
| 11:03:17 | safetydan | could replace the settings system: select volume from settings, update settings set volume = -30, and so forth :) |
| 11:03:27 | amiconn | safetydan: 512KB on 16MB+ targets, 32KB on lowmem targets |
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| 11:07:22 | preglow | lets just increase the plugin buffer size so we can stuff more hated code into this thing :> |
| 11:12:19 | safetydan | so what else then, an OpenGL ES implementation? OpenAL for 3d sound as well? |
| 11:12:46 | preglow | now that i have a mac i'd like some objective-c apis as well :P |
| 11:27:43 | * | gevaerts has horrible visions about lua-scripted WPSes |
| 11:28:39 | * | wpyh wonders what good is lua for |
| 11:30:01 | safetydan | gevaerts, there was a suggestion for that floating around at one point... |
| 11:31:03 | gevaerts | If there are enough lua APIs, you could do all sorts of things, like playlist converters and generators |
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| 11:34:27 | safetydan | that's what I'm hoping might happen, especially since scripts are more easily shared than binaries |
| 11:35:53 | preglow | as long as we don't have to hook that thing into the core,,, |
| 11:35:58 | preglow | ... <- |
| 11:36:42 | gevaerts | We don't. The only thing that may be needed is extending the plugin API a bit |
| 11:36:58 | safetydan | yeah this is not something I would ever expect to see in the core |
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| 11:40:57 | bertrik | we could hook the stdin/stdout of lua to usb serial |
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| 12:05:18 | * | pixelma wonders what to do about this post http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17513.msg129039#msg129039 |
| 12:05:32 | pixelma | I'd thik that's still violating the copyright |
| 12:05:42 | pixelma | think too |
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| 12:08:23 | pixelma | or not openly, if one gives him the benefit of a doubt, he'll just tell them how to fix the themes... |
| 12:09:22 | BigBambi | pixelma: He certainly hasn't answered the licence question |
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| 13:39:19 | mcuelenaere | Nico_P: around? |
| 13:40:22 | Nico_P | yes |
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| 13:40:56 | Nico_P | I scared him away it seems |
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| 13:43:04 | mcuelenaere | Nico_P: naah, that's my internet connection |
| 13:43:51 | mcuelenaere | can I send you the binary? |
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| 13:44:04 | mcuelenaere | (regarding the testing of Gigabeat S and MTP uploading within Windows) |
| 13:44:52 | Nico_P | mcuelenaere: I'm at work and don't have my beast with me |
| 13:45:22 | Nico_P | but you can still send me the binary and I'll test this evening |
| 13:45:23 | mcuelenaere | Nico_P: ah ok, then I'll wait till the evening unless somebody else is willing to help me? |
| 13:46:05 | mcuelenaere | Nico_P: is DCC ok? |
| 13:47:13 | * | GodEater has a beast to hand... |
| 13:47:26 | mcuelenaere | GodEater: and Windows? and free time? :) |
| 13:47:34 | * | GodEater thinks so ;) |
| 13:47:52 | mcuelenaere | ok then, do you want to compile the binary yourself or shall I send it you? |
| 13:48:05 | Nico_P | mcuelenaere: if mibbit accepts it, yes |
| 13:48:06 | mcuelenaere | (it's in utils/MTP/, just do make sendfirm.exe with mingw installed) |
| 13:48:16 | GodEater | you'll have to send it |
| 13:48:25 | GodEater | I don't have a build env. for mingw |
| 13:48:52 | mcuelenaere | GodEater, Nico_P: DCC: Sending request, Awaiting reply |
| 13:49:19 | mcuelenaere | BTW you'll need the MTP_DLL.dll from utils/MTP/ to run it |
| 13:49:38 | mcuelenaere | and the sendfirm.exe.manifest (some quirk of MS) |
| 13:50:17 | * | GodEater gets connection failure through mibbit's DCC interface =( |
| 13:50:25 | mcuelenaere | I'll upload it |
| 13:50:36 | GodEater | I'd upload *everything* |
| 13:50:42 | GodEater | I have no svn access from work either |
| 13:50:47 | mcuelenaere | ok |
| 13:50:58 | GodEater | sorry to be a pain :) |
| 13:51:21 | Nico_P | same here |
| 13:52:15 | mcuelenaere | http://www.sendspace.com/file/qfszuq |
| 13:53:00 | GodEater | mcuelenaere: bad news - blocked from work |
| 13:53:07 | GodEater | perhaps I shouldn't have volunteered :( |
| 13:53:18 | * | Nico_P got the file |
| 13:53:20 | mcuelenaere | ok :) I'll upload it to my ISP server |
| 13:55:44 | mcuelenaere | GodEater: mcuelenaere/MTP.zip">http://users.telenet.be/mcuelenaere/MTP.zip |
| 13:56:17 | GodEater | hurray - got it :) |
| 13:56:36 | mcuelenaere | :) now find a nk.bin file to upload |
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| 13:57:19 | GodEater | I have one of those |
| 13:57:32 | mcuelenaere | good, now try it if it works |
| 13:57:50 | mcuelenaere | it's a CLI, so pretty easy; just sendfirm.exe [LOCATION_OF_NK.BIN] |
| 13:58:31 | mcuelenaere | if this works, I believe this will make the Gigabeat S one step closer to a release? |
| 13:59:05 | GodEater | certainly will |
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| 13:59:13 | * | GodEater copies the nk.bin to his windows pc |
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| 14:02:14 | GodEater | I need mingw on the machine I'm going to be running it on right ? |
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| 14:02:27 | mcuelenaere | normally not, why do you ask? |
| 14:02:44 | GodEater | just checking |
| 14:02:49 | mcuelenaere | it requires the MS VC 2005 redistributable thingy though |
| 14:02:50 | * | GodEater won't bother downloading it then |
| 14:02:54 | mcuelenaere | VC++* |
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| 14:06:39 | bertrik | What does HAVE_FLASH_DISK mean? the only target that defines is (as far as I can see) is the ifp7xx |
| 14:08:00 | * | GodEater 's beast's screen says "Updating" |
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| 14:08:45 | mcuelenaere | GodEater: does that mean it worked? |
| 14:08:46 | GodEater | mcuelenaere: the beast is saying "updating" |
| 14:08:53 | GodEater | but it's *still* saying that |
| 14:08:55 | webguest66 | for info, trying to locate flashing instructions on the wiki for Archos V1 is a excercise in frustration |
| 14:08:56 | GodEater | it seems to be taking too long |
| 14:09:22 | mcuelenaere | hmm just wait a bit, perhaps there is some minor difference in the process between the beast and the ZVM |
| 14:09:41 | * | GodEater thinks this took next to no time at all with the linux version |
| 14:10:00 | mcuelenaere | hmm so that means some debugging will be needed :( |
| 14:10:06 | GodEater | possibly =/ |
| 14:10:18 | mcuelenaere | too bad, I hoped it would've worked on the beast too |
| 14:10:20 | * | GodEater also wonders what he's going to do with his beast now... |
| 14:10:33 | mcuelenaere | isn't it just writing to HDD? |
| 14:10:41 | * | webguest66 delegates a delegated to fix |
| 14:11:26 | GodEater | well I've ctrl-c'd the sendfirm |
| 14:11:34 | GodEater | the beast then said "Finishing" |
| 14:11:46 | mcuelenaere | hmm ok so it seems the Send File process hangs |
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| 14:12:14 | GodEater | well it's done *something* |
| 14:12:25 | GodEater | the RB bootloader appears to have disappeared |
| 14:12:43 | mcuelenaere | so it hasn't sent the whole file? |
| 14:15:38 | GodEater | not sure |
| 14:15:50 | * | GodEater is attempting to reload the rb dual boot loader on to it |
| 14:16:28 | GodEater | mcuelenaere: for comparison, the linux sendfirm works in less than a second |
| 14:17:24 | mcuelenaere | hmm where can I find an firmware uploader for the beast? |
| 14:17:40 | mcuelenaere | (one from the OF) |
| 14:17:42 | mcuelenaere | for* |
| 14:17:56 | mcuelenaere | I mean, the one that you get from Toshiba |
| 14:18:00 | BigBambi | mcuelenaere: There was never a firmware update for the S |
| 14:18:15 | BigBambi | There is a hacked V updater that does it linked from the wiki |
| 14:18:20 | mcuelenaere | ah, so the hacked gigabeat V updater was always used? |
| 14:18:25 | BigBambi | yes |
| 14:18:42 | BigBambi | afaik :) |
| 14:18:51 | mcuelenaere | ok got it |
| 14:18:53 | GodEater | yes |
| 14:19:17 | mcuelenaere | hopefully it has some nice debugging strings in it.. |
| 14:20:16 | mcuelenaere | who hacked the fw updater? |
| 14:20:35 | GodEater | zunepet |
| 14:20:36 | mcuelenaere | ah zunept |
| 14:20:38 | mcuelenaere | zunepet* |
| 14:20:39 | GodEater | afaik |
| 14:22:49 | * | GodEater finds he has an out of date GBS bootloader |
| 14:24:15 | GodEater | mcuelenaere: I think your code isn't far off working |
| 14:24:23 | mcuelenaere | ah I think I know the bug |
| 14:24:23 | GodEater | it just seems to not "finish" up the copy properly |
| 14:24:37 | GodEater | killing the copy manually seemed to indicate the whole nk.bin had been sent properly |
| 14:24:38 | mcuelenaere | indeed, it seems to try adding the file again and again and again |
| 14:26:16 | mcuelenaere | GodEater: could you try again with mcuelenaere/MTP_DLL.dll">http://users.telenet.be/mcuelenaere/MTP_DLL.dll ? |
| 14:26:35 | mcuelenaere | this even show some debug information |
| 14:26:39 | mcuelenaere | shows* |
| 14:27:09 | * | gevaerts thinks that GodEater might well be motivated to keep trying until his beast is fixed :) |
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| 14:28:07 | * | GodEater just fixed his beast, but will retest again happily |
| 14:28:34 | mcuelenaere | good :) |
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| 14:30:19 | GodEater | I'll also make sure I use the right nk.bin this time :) |
| 14:30:27 | mcuelenaere | :) |
| 14:30:28 | GodEater | one which actually has a rockbox bootloader in it |
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| 14:30:43 | GodEater | poor mcuelenaere |
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| 14:34:47 | GodEater | worked perfectly this time ;) |
| 14:35:56 | * | GodEater thinks mcuelenaere has cracked the windows install problem for the beast |
| 14:36:09 | BigBambi | \o/ |
| 14:36:20 | BigBambi | Now just power management :) |
| 14:36:26 | GodEater | \o/ /o\ |
| 14:36:43 | GodEater | yep, and then we can chuck the dual bootloader crap |
| 14:36:47 | BigBambi | yes |
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| 14:37:06 | GodEater | which means no issues with finding the "original" nk.bin |
| 14:37:16 | BigBambi | That is the problem at the moment - you need dual boot to charge, but we can't give you the OF to make a dual boot |
| 14:37:16 | mcuelenaere | it worked? yeey :) |
| 14:37:18 | GodEater | ah, and domonoky can integrate this into rbutil forthwith ;) |
| 14:37:23 | GodEater | mcuelenaere: yep - perfectly |
| 14:38:17 | mcuelenaere | BTW could you give me what sendfirm.exe said on "RET = 0x%x" |
| 14:38:18 | mcuelenaere | ? |
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| 14:39:57 | GodEater | 0x0 |
| 14:40:14 | GodEater | that's the result, not a peculiar smiley btw |
| 14:40:29 | mcuelenaere | ok, it's different from the ZVM but the code can handle it |
| 14:41:02 | bertrik | Genre9mp3, I'm working on replacing the ata_disk_is_active call by the ata idle callback mechanism |
| 14:41:53 | Genre9mp3 | bertrik, I see |
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| 14:46:53 | bertrik | Genre9mp3, (unfortunately?) I couldn't resist simplifying some stuff |
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| 14:50:38 | Genre9mp3 | why unfortunately? |
| 14:59:35 | bertrik | I ripped some things out that seemed overly complex, especially the scheduling of battery measurements. It's now purely time-based (e.g. every 60 seconds) and does not depend anymore on disk timeouts or whether music is playing or not. |
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| 15:00:35 | bertrik | (I won't commit this without more discussion and testing of course) |
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| 15:34:41 | Llorean | bertrik: What happens if the disk isn't spinning? Does the every 60 seconds cache them until the disk is spinning, and write then? |
| 15:36:22 | bertrik | Llorean, yes, it caches up to 1000 entries |
| 15:37:46 | Llorean | Why not just cache up to "as mush as the the remaining plugin buffer can hold"? |
| 15:38:03 | Llorean | Though it does seem unlikely you'd need that many |
| 15:39:02 | Llorean | *much |
| 15:39:15 | GodEater | Llorean: want to check out mcuelenaere's latest piece of work and make sure I wasn't just a fluke ? :) |
| 15:39:16 | bertrik | The old cache size was set at 16000 bytes, I didn't change that yet |
| 15:39:39 | bertrik | (each measurement is 16 bytes) |
| 15:40:43 | Llorean | bertrik: While unlikely, 1000 entries at 60 seconds per is a little less than 17 hours. I can imagine a full buffer containing more than that with some of the non-streaming formats in extremely rare cases, and it doesn't really hurt to use more plugin buffer. |
| 15:41:04 | Llorean | GodEater: What's this? |
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| 15:41:28 | * | gevaerts agrees. If someone runs a battery test with mods, not having to rebuffer is possible |
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| 15:41:38 | mcuelenaere | Llorean: a Windows native MTP fw uploader |
| 15:41:41 | Nico_P | Llorean: I'll answer for him: win sendfirm |
| 15:41:49 | GodEater | stupid back key |
| 15:42:11 | bertrik | Llorean, OK how can I find out how much space can be used? |
| 15:42:18 | Llorean | gevaerts: Or SID if we ever support reading a track time database. |
| 15:42:42 | Llorean | bertrik: I'm not sure. But it's probably a lot more than 16k. How big is the plugin itself? |
| 15:42:52 | Llorean | mcuelenaere: I'd be happy to try it. |
| 15:42:58 | * | Llorean goes to find his beast. |
| 15:43:06 | Llorean | 32 or 64 bit windows? (Vista only, I'm afraid) |
| 15:43:10 | mcuelenaere | Llorean: good, do you need the binaries or will you compile them yourself? |
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| 15:43:29 | mcuelenaere | try both, with a bit of luck it works on 64bit :) |
| 15:43:54 | Llorean | I'd need the binaries, don't have any compilers set up for windows |
| 15:44:16 | mcuelenaere | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/GigabeatSInfo/MTP.zip |
| 15:44:36 | mcuelenaere | it behaves like the normal sendfirm |
| 15:45:22 | pixelma | Llorean, bertrik: don't forget that the battery_bench should also run on Archos players as it does now |
| 15:45:27 | gevaerts | bertrik: grep PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE firmware/export/config-* |
| 15:45:39 | bertrik | I remember something like 32k for archos |
| 15:45:57 | Llorean | pixelma: It probably doesn't need to be expanded for Archoses, though. |
| 15:46:06 | pixelma | expanded? |
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| 15:46:14 | Llorean | pixelma: The number of entries to cache |
| 15:47:48 | bertrik | the battery bench plugin itself is about 2k code, RAM use is dominated by the measurement cache |
| 15:49:22 | amiconn | bertrik: You could make it dynamic, and use plugin_get_buffer() |
| 15:49:39 | gevaerts | bertrik: maybe #define BUF_SIZE (PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE - 8192) ? 8K should be enough |
| 15:49:40 | Llorean | mcuelenaere: Vista-32: The Gigabeat's screen displayed "Updating" and the program reported success |
| 15:49:49 | amiconn | Ah, no scrap that |
| 15:50:13 | amiconn | A tsr plugin *must not* use plugin_get_buffer(). And it must not use up all plugin ram statically either |
| 15:50:19 | mcuelenaere | Llorean: no "Finishing"? |
| 15:51:01 | Llorean | mcuelenaere: It did that too. |
| 15:51:13 | mcuelenaere | Llorean: ah ok, so that means success? |
| 15:51:39 | Llorean | As far as I can tell, yes. |
| 15:51:44 | Llorean | Trying on 64-bit now |
| 15:51:45 | * | gevaerts thinks that Llorean should brick his beast first, just to be sure |
| 15:52:05 | bertrik | Ok, gevaerts' proposal sounds reasonable |
| 15:52:47 | amiconn | I'd rather stick to the 16k |
| 15:53:25 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: why can't you use all of the plugin RAM? |
| 15:53:32 | gevaerts | Maybe force a spinup if the buffer is full ? That would still give more meaningful results than stopping logging |
| 15:53:36 | * | Llorean apparently needs to install a windows update for his 64-bit machine to see it |
| 15:55:44 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: Normal plugins can, but tsr plugins must not do that. The core uses plugin_bet_buffer() itself for some things, e.g. for the playlist viewer |
| 15:56:25 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: so how do tsr plugins know how much RAM they can take? |
| 15:56:35 | mcuelenaere | is that decided at compile-time? |
| 15:57:08 | bertrik | gevaerts, what to do if the buffer is full is indeed an interesting question. I doubt that it happens often, 1000 entries is >16 hours with a 60s interval. |
| 15:57:18 | amiconn | Everything that's statically allocated is ok |
| 15:58:17 | Nico_P | spinning the disk sounds OK to me |
| 15:58:22 | amiconn | It might be though that if the remaining plugin buffer becomes too small (in the tsr plugin case), that core fieatures like the playlist viewer stop working. |
| 15:58:31 | petur | ugh... two sides borrowing memory from each other sounds like it needs some memory management/allocation system |
| 15:59:10 | Llorean | mcuelenaere: I can't test in Vista x64 because it seems to refuse to recognize my Gigabeat S in general. If I solve this, I'll let you know the results later. |
| 15:59:11 | Nico_P | the plugin buffer looks like a malloc pool IMHO |
| 15:59:19 | amiconn | The system works very well for normal (foreground) plugins, as a foreground plugin and the playlist veiwer cannot be active at the same time |
| 15:59:40 | mcuelenaere | Llorean: ok |
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| 16:00:06 | Nico_P | the cuesheet viewer also uses the plugin buffer |
| 16:01:30 | petur | plus some things *are* implemented as plugins, like credits, properties,.. |
| 16:02:10 | bertrik | yes, indeed I noticed I could not view properties with battery bench active |
| 16:03:20 | Nico_P | has making the plugin buffer a pool for a basic form of malloc ever been considered? |
| 16:03:41 | gevaerts | What I would do is allocate PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE-32k, with a minimum of 16k. (change numbers according to taste) |
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| 16:22:36 | bertrik | I think I'll stick to the current 16000 bytes for now during testing |
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| 16:38:05 | pondlife | GodEater: Which pub are we starting in? |
| 16:38:42 | * | pondlife apologises for OT-ness and scurries |
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| 16:51:33 | gevaerts | pondlife: pubs == beer == on topic :) |
| 16:51:51 | pondlife | Yep, but I'm in -community now too |
| 16:52:25 | petur | ... where it is off topic ;) |
| 16:52:34 | pondlife | Never |
| 16:52:50 | BigBambi | Houses exploding are on topic in -community though :) |
| 16:57:02 | soap | pixelma, I attempted to address the WPS modification thread you mentioned earlier today. Feel free to discuss if you think I'm being overly hard-line about it. |
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| 17:05:27 | ian80 | I having a problem with rockbox util in Ubuntu 8.04 with a Sansa e260... maybe someone can help? |
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| 17:06:20 | soap | ian80, you need to specifically describe said problem, and your attempts to resolve it so far. Nobody here (outside GodEater) can read minds. ;) |
| 17:07:18 | ian80 | haha... ok here it is: rbutil autodetects a "sansa e200" fine on "/media/Sansa e260", but I get the message "no sansas found" when I try an install. |
| 17:07:33 | ian80 | i can browse the device just fine in gnome. |
| 17:07:55 | gevaerts | ian80: do you have root priviledges (i.e. did you run rbutil with sudo) ? |
| 17:08:17 | ian80 | no, i didn't... sorry if i missed that in the manual... lemme try. |
| 17:09:08 | ian80 | thanks! it's working like a charm. |
| 17:09:22 | SxSBruce | actually a little hateful ubuntu is |
| 17:09:50 | SxSBruce | it gets fat far from my expectation |
| 17:10:26 | * | gevaerts points SxSBruce to the other channel for non-rockbox-related things |
| 17:10:58 | * | SxSBruce escaped with a bear behind |
| 17:11:35 | ian80 | any favorite rockbox themes for me to try out? |
| 17:15:22 | Beta2K | lcars |
| 17:15:28 | PaulJam | ian80: just choose one you like, but be aware that some of the themes are broken becuse of recent syntax changes. |
| 17:16:00 | * | GodEater would say "a lot" and not just "some" |
| 17:16:30 | ian80 | thanks for the warning. |
| 17:17:29 | PaulJam | ian80: i would suggest to browse the gallery in the wiki, because the themes you can install with rbutil can't be updated at the moment. |
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| 17:19:06 | ian80 | pauljam: thanks for the tip! |
| 17:19:41 | ian80 | I have to say the rbutil is a great tool for getting new users to rockbox! |
| 17:20:05 | GodEater | we think so too :) |
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| 17:22:25 | ian80 | thanks for all of your help! I'm off to enjoy the rockbox now. |
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| 18:08:46 | leftright | Hi, wiki recommendation; would it be possible to make the rockbox logo links more button like in appearance, currently they just look like logograms and dont give a clue that they could be links as well |
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| 20:06:12 | MarcGuay | Anyone object to changing the charging-only keypress on the h300 to the AB-Mode button? It's inconsistent and annoying asi it is, and it may take a while to come to a better solution (as discussed here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8702). |
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| 20:11:31 | MarcGuay | Zagor: Hi there. Any opinion on merging the WikiHome with the DocsIndex so that there's only 1 focal point? |
| 20:13:26 | Zagor | yes and no. DocsIndex is very good, but also quite overwhelming. |
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| 20:16:32 | MarcGuay | Zagor: That's true. Perhaps the "Welcome" section could be prettied up a bit to make it less intimidating. I just remember that when I first came to the site I found it a bit confusing, and imagine it's the same for others. |
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| 20:17:16 | Zagor | MarcGuay: yes it probably is. but I think we need to do something more than throwing 200 links at them |
| 20:17:28 | Zagor | unfortunately I don't know what... |
| 20:17:47 | Zagor | back in a minute |
| 20:18:03 | leftright | MarcGuay: I think that the style that you employ for describing features, i.e like in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ArchosFAQ makes for a very cluttered, indistinct, and confusing way of decribing features |
| 20:18:37 | Strangelet | I have recently begun using Rockbox on an iPod Nano 1st gen. I am currently having trouble applying themes, could somebody point me towards a tutorial or FAQ section that could help me in this situation? |
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| 20:25:38 | MarcGuay | Strangelet: You simply extract them to the root of your player and then select the theme from the Browse Themes menu. |
| 20:26:37 | bertrik | maybe he also needs some fonts that are not part of the standard rockbox installation? |
| 20:28:15 | Strangelet | MarcGuay: Done and done, though I have noticed that the theme-defined interface for the now playing screen (the .wps I believe it is called) isn't shown for certain themes. What could potentially be the problem? And how could I fix this? |
| 20:29:21 | leftright | MarcGuay: and in several cases the description leans towards being condescending |
| 20:29:39 | MarcGuay | Strangelet: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17507.0 |
| 20:29:55 | MarcGuay | leftright: Sorry> |
| 20:29:58 | Strangelet | MarcGuay: Okay, odd thing I have noticed. I am looking in the '.rockbox' directory on my iPod. Some of the wps files are found to be X-executables, andsome are plain text |
| 20:29:59 | MarcGuay | *? |
| 20:30:06 | Strangelet | MarcGuay: I will follow that link |
| 20:30:41 | MarcGuay | Strangelet: That could be because Windows seems to make everything an executable, even text files. |
| 20:30:57 | Strangelet | MarcGuay: I am running ArchLinux :P |
| 20:31:16 | leftright | MarcGuay: no need to apologise, I thank you for what you're doing, just a small suggestion on mybehalf to perhaps make it better |
| 20:31:27 | Strangelet | Though your assumption has some grounds. xD |
| 20:31:47 | MarcGuay | leftright: Just because my name is on a page doesn't mean I wrote the whole thing. And I meant to write "Sorry?" not "Sorry". |
| 20:32:14 | MarcGuay | Strangelet: I meant that the people who created those files may have been using Windows. |
| 20:32:27 | Strangelet | MarcGuay: ahhh! Gotcha. ;) |
| 20:32:44 | MarcGuay | leftright: And it's a wiki, so roll up your sleeves and fix it! |
| 20:33:40 | leftright | yes, I did make a entry which was simple and concise and you promptly changed it |
| 20:34:42 | leftright | you tend to flower statements instead of being precise and concise |
| 20:34:57 | MarcGuay | leftright: Ah, I see. Well you didn't phrase it as a question (it's a FAQ) and simply put a link, which isn't really very nice either. I was trying to be descriptive. |
| 20:35:46 | MarcGuay | leftright: Go ahead and change it back, then. I do my best. |
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| 20:37:57 | leftright | I'll look into it and change it, I'll ask you to proof it as you seem to be the main editor and contributor around here |
| 20:38:00 | Strangelet | MarcQuay: So I read the thread you linked me to, so.. what it is trying to tell me is that I must manually edit the .wps configs? |
| 20:38:22 | MarcGuay | leftright: Just another nerdy volunteer, chum. |
| 20:38:38 | MarcGuay | Strangelet: Yep. |
| 20:38:54 | leftright | later |
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| 20:39:09 | MarcGuay | Strangelet: Not the .cfg files, just the .wps, to be clear. |
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| 20:40:47 | Strangelet | MarcGuay: Okay, so %m may be replaced by %V, though what replaces %P? |
| 20:41:06 | booster614 | hey guys....im a real noob to hacking/moding mp3 players and i was on the site looking for a firmware tool for my philpis 2gb go gear player. but i found out that you guys dont have anything for these players yet, just wondering if and when you will?/ |
| 20:41:29 | MarcGuay | leftright: I still don't see how adding a brief description of what "flashing" is for the uninitiated could be interpreted as condescending, but anyway... |
| 20:41:47 | MarcGuay | Strangelet: It gets merged into %pb |
| 20:42:09 | Zagor | booster614: see here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PhilipsGoGear3100Port |
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| 20:42:51 | Strangelet | So.. I could replace '%P|pb.bmp|' with '%pb|pb.bmp|'? |
| 20:42:57 | booster614 | thanks |
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| 20:44:23 | MarcGuay | Strangelet: Yep, and add the x,y and size.. |
| 20:44:46 | Strangelet | MarcGuay: Excellent, %m can be replaced with... %V? |
| 20:45:46 | MarcGuay | Strangelet: %m was to set a left margin, but now with %Viewports, you can define an entire area to use (left-right-top-bottom), so it's useless... |
| 20:46:20 | Strangelet | MarcGuay: Aight, I will edit the file now, let's hope it comes out nicely. :) |
| 20:47:02 | MarcGuay | Strangelet: You can test with a simulator to save time/headaches. Though maybe at this point you don't need more new stuff to deal with.. :) |
| 20:47:25 | Strangelet | Hmm.. A simulator, eh? I will check them out. ;) |
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| 22:10:24 | delorean90 | im attempting to learn C so i can contribute to rockbox, but i am completely confused, all this is so new to me, is there any thing anyone could reccomend that would allow me to make sense of it all. im starting completely from scratch i have no coding expirience |
| 22:13:41 | MarcGuay | delorean90: Try searching the internet for "c programming introduction" or similar... I'm sure there are tons of tutorial sites that can walk you through the basics. |
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| 22:24:08 | delorean90 | i found one that im starting to look at now, and im downloading cygwin based on the rockbox wiki |
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| 22:30:10 | delorean90 | this is all very confusing, about how long does it take to pick up? |
| 22:31:54 | bluebrother | depends. To _really_ learn programming forever −− you always find something to learn ;-) |
| 22:32:39 | bertrik | To be honest, I think it takes at least a year if you have no prior programming experience |
| 22:33:01 | delorean90 | thats what i assumed, hopefully theres a class in my high school i can take |
| 22:33:13 | bertrik | but you could also help with other things, like translations, manuals, themes, etc. |
| 22:33:16 | saratoga | probably took me two semesters before i got really comfortable with c in college |
| 22:33:28 | bluebrother | you can learn the basic usage of a programming language in about one week −− given that you already are kinda familiar with a similar language |
| 22:33:46 | bluebrother | but then that's only the basics. And for "real" programming you usually need a bit more |
| 22:34:50 | delorean90 | cool, i hope to really get involved and learn how the magic happens at rockbox ;) ive always been into computers, i just never learned about programming or even heard of it untill about 2 years ago |
| 22:34:52 | bluebrother | so I agree that one should consider one year of work |
| 22:35:29 | bluebrother | it's also kinda amazing how (not) many people know touch-typing. Also such a thing you only learn when doing it. |
| 22:35:52 | delorean90 | touch-typing? |
| 22:36:42 | bertrik | typing without looking at the keyboard I assume |
| 22:36:56 | * | bluebrother just was checking if the english term is correct |
| 22:37:13 | bluebrother | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch_typing |
| 22:37:23 | delorean90 | ohhh, makes sense haha |
| 22:37:49 | * | bluebrother needed 3 months to get used to the basics. |
| 22:39:00 | bluebrother | does anyone have an idea why I don't see _anything_ of my m200 on usb with flash disconnected? It should be in usb boot mode :( |
| 22:40:33 | bertrik | delorean90, as you use rockbox, you may find the odd bug here and there. It's very helpful to have people who can accurately report bugs and maybe can even have a look at the code themselves to get an idea where to look for the problem. |
| 22:40:57 | PaulJam | bluebrother: now that yu mentioned the manual in the other channel: i was wondering if the WPS tags topic is really needed. i mean people wanting to design a WPS are always sent to the CustomWPS page and the is qiute out of tate in that section. |
| 22:41:37 | PaulJam | *and the manual is qiute out of date in that section. |
| 22:41:42 | delorean90 | that would be awesome to help out with, so if i get the basics down i could look for bugs and such? |
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| 22:42:07 | MarcGuay | PaulJam: I agree. There are a few things that need to be decided whether they belong in the wiki or the manual (plugins are dupped as well). |
| 22:42:20 | MarcGuay | *duped? |
| 22:42:31 | bluebrother | I think it's duped ;-) |
| 22:42:40 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:43:02 | MarcGuay | bluebrother: USB boot mode is subtle. I see very little in windows with the c100 connected. |
| 22:43:07 | bluebrother | but I somewhat like the tags being in the manual −− it's more "static". Unfortunately the people changing the wps parser usually forget to update the manual :( |
| 22:43:43 | bluebrother | MarcGuay: do you have an advice for me? From reading the wiki I should only need to disconnect the flash and plug the player to the PC |
| 22:44:05 | bluebrother | and btw, I'm on linux. Tried on wxp too, no difference. |
| 22:45:41 | MarcGuay | bluebrother: No experience with the m200. How are you looking for it? On Windows I only see it in Device Manager as a "LIbUSB-Win32 Device"... And that's after installing the tcctool driver... Maybe that's what you're missing? |
| 22:46:24 | bluebrother | well, the system should find an unknown usb device and tell me about it in the syslog. But there's no trace about it |
| 22:46:50 | bluebrother | and even on w32, without the libusb filter driver installed it should detect some unknown usb device afaik. |
| 22:47:13 | MarcGuay | bluebrother: That's true... Maybe wait for lambdacalculus... |
| 22:47:30 | pixelma | speaking of WPS tags in the manual, I wondered what to do with some tags not present on the charcell Player or things like the RTC related tags in non-RTC target manuals, or the backdrop tag - disable them when not possible on the target or leave them in case people study different WPSs? |
| 22:47:40 | MarcGuay | bluebrother: Or get a c100! :) |
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| 22:48:20 | pixelma | or even add notes? |
| 22:48:29 | delorean90 | ok so im on the tutorial and it explains a basic program, how do i run this with cygwin? http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial/c/lesson1.html |
| 22:48:52 | bluebrother | you need to compile it. |
| 22:49:10 | delorean90 | so i just type it in and hit enter? |
| 22:49:23 | bluebrother | but as this is not really rockbox related please use a different channel. You can find some guys from here in #rockbox-community ... |
| 22:49:52 | delorean90 | ok thankyou |
| 22:50:23 | saratoga | whats the advantage of registering in IRC? |
| 22:50:53 | bluebrother | you can f.e. ghost your nick in case of network dropouts and don't need to wait for the timeout |
| 22:51:06 | bluebrother | but most important, you can send PMs |
| 22:51:20 | PaulJam | and noone else can take your nickname |
| 22:51:51 | saratoga | who do i contact about it? |
| 22:52:25 | bluebrother | NickServ ;-) |
| 22:52:44 | bluebrother | /msg nickserv register <forgot the rest, check freenode faq> |
| 22:52:45 | pixelma | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration |
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| 23:01:07 | amiconn | /msg nickserv help is quite useful as well |
| 23:01:39 | amiconn | Meh, the bimmerbox project is violating the GPL iiuc: http://ctp.di.fct.unl.pt/~fpb/ibus/ |
| 23:02:00 | amiconn | It's modified rockbox, but without source |
| 23:02:46 | Zagor | definitely a violation |
| 23:03:51 | saratoga | at least it appears to be due to them being dumb rather then malicious |
| 23:04:11 | Zagor | yes, most violations are |
| 23:08:28 | bluebrother | bimmerbox? Weird name. |
| 23:08:48 | saratoga | bimmer is what annoying people call a BMW |
| 23:09:28 | bluebrother | never heard that. |
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| 23:20:07 | Nico_P | bimmerbox appears to be dead |
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| 23:33:39 | petur | MarcGuay: re your statement of 3 hours ago: FAT has no 'executable' flag |
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| 23:34:24 | MarcGuay | petur: Blast from the past. Sorry? Windows setting executable..? |
| 23:35:10 | MarcGuay | I brought it up because it happened to me the other day with a file I committed. Believe my system is NTFS. |
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| 23:52:41 | petur | MarcGuay: he was talking about files in the .rockbox dir on his ipod having the executable bit set. That partition is supposed to be FAT32 and has no such thing as executable flags. I'm not really sure NTFS has them even (I think not) |
| 23:53:08 | MarcGuay | petur: Gotcha. |
| 23:53:14 | * | petur excuses for the heavy lag caused by a 1 month old refusing to sleep |
| 23:54:01 | * | petur will try now by setting an example |
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