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#rockbox log for 2008-07-04

00:02:16 Join mcuelenaere [0] (n=mcuelena@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere)
00:02:33mcuelenaereanyone with a Gigabeat S and Windows around?
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00:05:06Nico_Pmcuelenaere: depends, is any compilattion required?
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00:08:18mcuelenaereNico_P: no, I can give you the binaries
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00:14:08bertrikAny experts on battery bench here?
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00:15:38Nico_Pmcuelenaere: actually I think it's a little late for some testing right now... maybe tomorrow if noone else has done it for you
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00:18:31stripwaxbertrik - what's the question
00:18:45stripwax(Buschel's the expert)
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00:19:31mcuelenaereNico_P: no problem
00:19:32ipodhow can i put a rockbox theme i downloaded onto ipod
00:19:55Chrononipod: Just unzip it to the root of your iPod
00:20:17ipodthats it
00:20:37bertrikI don't quite understand how often a battery measurement is logged
00:20:57*gevaerts wonders if there is a particular reason for that windows mtp thing to use uppercase filenames
00:21:19bertrikIt seems there is a difference now depending on whether it's a flash target or not, with an apparent very long measurement interval for disk-based targets
00:21:34mcuelenaeregevaerts: no, that's just Visual Studio I suppose..
00:22:34bertrikI wonder if simply taking a measurement (say) once a minute regardless of target being disk or flash would make more sense
00:23:04gevaertsmcuelenaere: ok. So if anyone cares, it can be changed I guess
00:23:16mcuelenaeregevaerts: indeed
00:23:22ipoddo i overwrite the files
00:23:23*gevaerts doesn't care enough
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00:25:31PaulJam_ipod: yes
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00:29:20ChrononDoes anyone know what the problem was with the original Cabbie version for the ? The wiki says it was removed for copyright reasons.
00:29:35LloreanGigabeat logo
00:29:55ChrononWas that also present in the other non-gigabeat versions?
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00:30:22ipoddo they have any that shows album art
00:30:28ipodthat would b nice
00:30:30LloreanChronon: Dunno. Maybe there was something else.
00:30:51*Chronon shrugs. Not a huge deal. I was just curious
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00:32:06xqtftqxAnybody know of a album art downloader for linux
00:32:42ipodanybody know of a way to get album art
00:32:48ipodon ipod nano
00:32:54*gevaerts spots an echo
00:32:55Chrononipod: read the AlbumArt page on the wiki
00:33:07xqtftqxI dont see anything for linux
00:33:55ipodwhere is it
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00:35:43Chronongo to and click on the wiki link
00:35:53stripwaxyou can even Search it
00:35:59shotofaddsbit late...
00:36:46stripwaxbertrik - not sure, I don't recall the interval changing on disk based targets (but I don't have a flash target)
00:37:35Chrononxqtftqx: there's a java based one on the AlbumArt page that works in Linux. It's not automated, but I have found automated downloading to give a lot of bad hits anyway.
00:38:11xqtftqxIt wont run proberly for me
00:38:23pixelmabertrik: I thought the measurement was logged when the voltage actually changed? Though it's only hearsay and might have changed in the meantime.
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00:39:44stripwaxFrom wiki: "Between disk activity (or an hour), it will log info in memory (every measurement is captured when the voltage changes)."
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00:43:08bertrikhmm, on closer inspection of the code it's done each 'disk spindown time minus 1 second' and indeed only if the voltage didn't change
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02:17:14Guest86716can someone tell me how to get album art display on ipod nano using rockbox
02:18:01ChrononHave a look at the AlbumArt page on the wiki.
02:18:10Guest86716can you link it
02:18:20Guest86716to me cuz i cant seem to find it
02:18:30Chronongo to
02:18:36Chrononthere's a wiki link
02:19:36Guest86716ok i cant find the album art page
02:19:53ChrononYou can either search for it, or you can enter the WikiWord as I wrote it
02:20:17ChrononI.e. enter AlbumArt in the box in the upper right hand corner.
02:23:31Guest86716they have to be in bitmap format
02:25:44Guest86716dj osama
02:26:13Guest86716how do i download themes that support album art
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02:29:15Chronon? Click on the link...
02:31:52ChrononThere's a theme gallery, or you can use the Rockbox Utility to install themes.
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03:22:10ican someone walk me through how to put album art
03:22:16ion a ipod nano
03:22:17 Nick i is now known as Guest93266 (n=4a24592b@
03:22:59Guest93266hellois any1 there
03:24:25Guest93266can someone walk me through how to put album art on ipod nano i got my .btm to 100x100 just need to know where to put it
03:25:04Ice``take a loot at the wiki
03:25:24zeyes, loot, just don't rape or pillage
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03:26:17zeguess that reduced to contradictory and then nonsensical, i retract it :p
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03:28:49Strife89I'm having a little trouble with the "pictureflow" plugin.
03:29:02Ice``become blind.
03:29:16Strife89It shows no album art, yet the WPS shows album art just fine.
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03:29:48Strife89My album art consists of 40x40 .bmps in the directory "/.rockbox/albumart"
03:30:12Ice``Strife89: what player do you use?
03:30:23Strife89Sansa c250
03:30:45Ice``Do you have tried rockbox emulator?
03:30:58Ice``To see if the same problem occurs?
03:31:16Strife89Nah, the simulator never cooperates with me. I can't use the file browser or access plugins.
03:32:14Strife89All my albums show up in PictureFlow, but with "blank" covers.
03:32:28Ice``If you think it's a bug, ask in the forum, in the Sansa bug section
03:33:06Strife89That's the thing. I'm worried that I may be using a storage method not yet implemented for the plugin.
03:33:23Strife89I'm really not sure.
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03:34:33Strife89And the AlbumArt wiki page.....
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03:36:31Ice``I'm sorry, I'm using lynx, and it doesn't support tabbed browsing.
03:36:46Ice``So I won't go to see what you're talking about
03:36:46Strife89Open a new window. ;)
03:37:06Ice``I'm too lazy
03:37:19Strife89Okay, then. I'll point it out.
03:37:48Strife89(Warning: there won't be any pastebins: I'll paste directly into IRC.........)
03:38:03Ice``No no, pastebin it!
03:38:03Strife89(Pastebins will kill the point)
03:38:14Ice``No, but.
03:38:33Strife89Patsebin or no? You said you were lazy. :)
03:38:54Ice``Too lazy to look at the wiki yes
03:39:02Strife89Fine, patebin.
03:39:02Ice``but not to look at some source
03:39:19Strife89It's not source. I'm snipping from the wiki.
03:39:44Strife89So, yes or no?
03:39:52Ice``And, maybe there were some images on the wiki, which I couldn't see, since I'm in shell mode.
03:40:15Ice``Ok. I'll create a new window in my screen,
03:41:20Strife89The above is from the AlbumArt page (where to put the files). I use method 4.
03:42:08Strife89That's from the PictureFlow page.
03:42:09*shadoxx is back ( Away 19 hours 50 mins 54 secs )
03:42:10Ice``No but, don't pastebin it...
03:42:20Ice``I already am on the wiki =/
03:42:33Ice``(sorry for all this)
03:42:39Strife89It's fine.
03:43:04Strife89Do I need to repost the Wiki links?
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03:45:19Ice``No, no.
03:45:26Ice``I can scroll back
03:45:50Ice``the problem was about to open another shell thread.
03:46:54Ice``If you stop playback
03:47:00Ice``do the images appears?
03:48:15Strife89I ran the plugin with playback stopped.
03:48:22Strife89Not paused.
03:48:41Ice``So it's not a memory lack problem.
03:49:00Strife89When I tried it while paused (before I saw the wiki) the plugin actually crashed. >_<
03:49:34Strife89I'm charging the thing right now (I'm in the OF) but it's almost done, I think.....
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03:50:56Ice``I think that you initialized the database too?
03:51:03Strife89Yep. :)
03:52:50Ice``The other page, now
03:52:55Ice``After, i sleep.
03:53:04Ice``Cause I already am in bed =p
03:53:07Strife89Get some sleep, then.
03:53:15Strife89I'll worry about it tomorrow.
03:53:34Ice``'f you want, but I can have a look
03:53:55Strife89Nah, it's fine. Get yourself some rest. :)
03:54:26Strife89Good night, then.
03:54:31Ice``I have to "wake up" in about 3 hrs.
03:54:41Ice``Yeah =p
03:54:47Ice``I'm in france.
03:55:00Strife89It's 9:54 P.M.
03:55:19Strife89Okay, 'night. :)
03:55:19Ice``And I experience some issues with the enter touch, situated far too close to the ' one.
03:56:20Strife89Bye. :)
03:56:20Ice``gd n8 to u2.
03:56:23Ice``BB o/
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04:55:02*wpyh has finished another round of runtime testing on iPod 5.5g
04:55:37wpyhBuschel: looping one song at 320kbps, I get about 21:15 with RB and 22:00 with the OF
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04:56:48wpyhBuschel: it seems that we aren't able to rule out the disk access factor yet... and it also seems that even the OF uses similar caching/buffering strategies as RB
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06:09:57SETH_HIKARUi remembered my question!.... i get a plugin returned error on disk_tidy when i start to clean up, it always stops at the same folder and says plugin returmed error
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06:17:27SETH_HIKARUum can somebody anwser my question i just stated above please and if you can't read it, say something all ill post it again
06:17:43SETH_HIKARUand not all
06:18:01soapthere are 115 people in here, your message is seen. People will answer when they can if they can, don't worry.
06:18:36SETH_HIKARUwell it kinda sounds like nobody is talking because nothing is coming up on my screen
06:18:48SETH_HIKARUim just saying
06:18:57soapyou're right, nobody is talking right now.
06:19:24advcomp2019SETH_HIKARU, there is slow times on here
06:19:34soapIt's 6 am in europe, 5 am in England, and midnight on the east coast of the USA. That's a large segment of the community asleep.
06:19:53SETH_HIKARUsooo whats uh... going on
06:20:32SETH_HIKARUthis isnt the ipodlinux irc channel help is not volutay here otherwaise it would state that
06:21:43cool_walking_1. People are usually not *always* looking at the IRC window. 2. Not everyone knows the answer. 3. What do you mean not voluntary? The whole project is voluntary.
06:21:52soapI'm not sure I understand your last statement, or was that a question? We do have IRC guidelines, which not only explain what the rules are - but might help you understand the "culture" of the channel and the expectations.
06:22:05shadoxxHow do I checkout svn?
06:22:21soapPlease read the channel topic for a link to said guidelines as well as other useful information.
06:22:30shadoxxoh, duh
06:22:36shadoxxforgot about that. sorry
06:22:36soapsorry shadoxx, that was for SETH_HIKARU.
06:22:56cool_walking_shadoxx, do you have a dev environment set up already?
06:23:13shadoxxWell, you can compile rockbox on Linux right?
06:23:27shadoxxI figure I'll just apt-get whatever I don't have
06:23:36cool_walking_Yes, provided you have the right tools installed. If you want to build for a target, you need the cross-compilers.
06:23:40SETH_HIKARUsoap: im saying this isnt like the ipodlinux irc channel where help is voluntary there and i remembered i ignore a whole bunch of people who would have probably answer my question i first stated when i came it here
06:23:41soapshadoxx, has everything you need.
06:23:49shadoxxty soap
06:24:19shadoxxI found that someone else had already tried to start a port to the YH-820
06:24:34shadoxxApparently I need the tatung bootloader
06:24:44soapshadoxx, you are going to need to more than apt-get, you are also going to need to run the script to build the cross-compilers. That being said that wiki index page I linked you should have everything you need.
06:25:40SETH_HIKARUBigBambi: I have unignored you so you can answer my question now
06:25:57soapSETH_HIKARU, this channel is (in many ways) exactly like the ipodlinux channel. It is the same in that the projects are both all voluntary. It is different in that #rockbox is not for social chat.
06:26:20SETH_HIKARUthat is if you are actually not idling like i think you are
06:28:00*SETH_HIKARU slaps BigBambi around a bit with a large trout
06:28:32SETH_HIKARUBisBambi: Are you there now to answer my question I first stated?
06:30:44advcomp2019SETH_HIKARU, some people are not at their computers or not viewing their irc clients.. so please hold on
06:31:30SETH_HIKARUim trying i unignored all the people i ignored
06:31:42SETH_HIKARUill just state my question again
06:31:55SETH_HIKARUi get a plugin returned error on disk_tidy when i start to clean up, it always stops at the same folder and says plugin returmed error
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06:35:28SETH_HIKARUgetting.. tired... of waiting
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06:36:31SETH_HIKARUsomeone has to be at least be able to somewhat help me with my question cause i know at least with 115 people in here at least 20 are bound to be looking at there screen now
06:37:27advcomp2019SETH_HIKARU, it just depends on when the people sleep and work tho
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06:39:41SETH_HIKARUwell your here what do you do sit around and do nothing cant you help me with my question
06:39:49SETH_HIKARUif you can say that
06:40:14shadoxxSETH_HIKARU: I'm sure if someone could help you they would have answered you by now
06:40:19shadoxxIt is 12:40AM
06:40:28SETH_HIKARUya your time
06:40:35shadoxxSome people have to work in the morning
06:40:56SETH_HIKARUand you people are talking to me so that implies something
06:41:05SETH_HIKARUyou can answer my question
06:41:20cool_walking_If people don't know the answer, they won't say anything.
06:41:21shadoxxI don't know how I got here. I not good with computer.
06:41:27cool_walking_I don't think it's a good idea for all 100 people to say "I'm sorry, I don't know the answer". You'll flood the channel.
06:42:09SETH_HIKARUwell thats to bad but i hate waiting for stuff
06:42:17SETH_HIKARUfor like several days at a time
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06:43:24advcomp2019SETH_HIKARU, you could look at the logs to see if people might have asked it before too
06:43:55advcomp2019or even someone replied to you when you are not here
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06:44:03SETH_HIKARUwell where the heck are the logs pray i might ask
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06:46:29cool_walking_You can search them with google with "<search tems>"
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06:49:49SETH_HIKARUya i see that
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06:51:37SETH_HIKARUwell im leaving cause im not waiting for an answer goodbye
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07:28:18jimmy1990can someone tell me where to put albun art in rockbox
07:29:53jimmy1990ive read the wiki on it i dont understand where to put them
07:34:03jimmy1990can anyone help me
07:35:29shadoxxIsn't it embedded in the MP3 jimmy1990?
07:35:33shadoxxas metadata
07:36:10jimmy1990i got all my tracks in acc
07:36:12cool_walking_As far as I know, embedded art doesn't work
07:36:22jimmy1990o what up im ipod
07:36:27jimmy1990frm las nite
07:36:36cool_walking_oh hi
07:37:04cool_walking_So the wiki page you're talking about is ?
07:37:26jimmy1990i dont get where the hell im supposed to put it
07:37:28cool_walking_How are your covers named?
07:37:35jimmy1990hold on
07:38:17jimmy1990just the album name
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07:38:38cool_walking_Are they bitmaps (.bmp) ?
07:38:56jimmy1990and they is 100x100
07:39:04jimmy1990i knew i had to do that
07:39:13jimmy1990but now where do i put it
07:39:31cool_walking_Does the album name exactly match the album name that is in the music files' metadata?
07:39:39cool_walking_metadata = tags
07:39:58jimmy1990hold on
07:40:13jimmy1990sure does
07:41:38cool_walking_Are you using a WPS that uses album art?
07:41:55jimmy1990u mean the theme
07:42:02cool_walking_Yes. FYI the default theme does support it.
07:42:48jimmy1990i know i got aapodsvn
07:43:22jimmy1990i just dont know where am i supposed to put the album art
07:43:41cool_walking_It should be in the same folder as the music file.
07:44:04jimmy1990well all my music is in the database
07:44:21cool_walking_Yes, but it still has a physical location on the disk.
07:44:38jimmy1990where is it
07:44:54cool_walking_Did you put the music on via iTunes?
07:46:13cool_walking_Okay, then all the music will have munted filenames. You're going to have to put the covers in /.rockbox/albumart/ and name them artist-albumtitle.bmp
07:46:42jimmy1990ok i will try
07:48:17jimmy1990put it looking
07:48:41jimmy1990still nothing
07:49:02cool_walking_what is one of the filenames you've used?
07:49:10cool_walking_for a cover?
07:49:41jimmy1990Plies-My World.bmp
07:51:49cool_walking_Hold on, i'm gonna test that filename pattern - I only ever used cover.bmp before.
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07:56:19jimmy1990will it work if my tracks are aac
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07:57:45cool_walking_Yeah, it shouldn't matter what format they are, just that they have tags for artist and album that Rockbox can see.
07:58:06jimmy1990do they have to b id3
07:58:29jimmy1990but all my shit is named right
07:58:54cool_walking_No it doesn't have to be ID3, because I have OGGs
07:59:28jimmy1990so then if worse comes to worse what am i going to haveta do
07:59:55cool_walking_I don't have a tag editor installed to test that specific album/artist, but ".rockbox/albumart/Electric Wizard-Dopethrone.bmp" works fine
08:00:52jimmy1990then why isnt mine working
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08:01:36shadoxxDoesn't AAC use like, Apple's Atom metadata? I ask because I honestly have no clue
08:01:49cool_walking_If you look at the properties for the music file (from the context menu), can you see the artist and album tags?
08:02:15jimmy1990ok holdon
08:02:47jimmy1990umean in rockbox rite
08:02:54cool_walking_erm.. can you find out the filename from the database? I don't use it.
08:03:31cool_walking_You can see the artist and album tags?
08:04:19jimmy1990when i open the album folder i see the name of the album
08:05:04jimmy1990then when i press the album i see the indivdal track names
08:06:40jimmy1990i dont understand why the hell its not working
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08:08:19Buschelwpyh: (for the logs) I still doubt your assumption about only HDD being the main factor for runtime diff between OF and RB on 5G
08:09:12jimmy1990what do i gotta do to beable to get this to work
08:09:28jimmy1990i like to have my album art on all my stuff
08:09:28Buschelwpyh: your OF-measurements shows that it uses average ~26.4mA, RB uses ~27.3mA. But you switched off the power supply for accessories −− the OF always enables this.
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08:09:46LinusNjimmy1990: you could try running it in the simulator and see what files it tries to open
08:09:57jimmy1990how do i do that
08:10:06jimmy1990where is the simulator
08:10:27Buschelwpyh: so, there is at least a difference of ~0.9mA + 1.5mA (accessory supply) = 2.4mA which equals about 7MHz clock
08:11:23jimmy1990i gottadownload
08:12:09Buschelwpyh: hmm, whereas some MHz might be connected to WPS-updating... we do not know about influence of GUI updates within the OF
08:13:06Buschelwpyh: RB needs about 4MHz for WPS @5fps (the fps are hardcoded)
08:13:23jimmy1990im downloading now
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08:15:05jimmy1990now its building the data base
08:15:45*Buschel wonders if it is possible to further optmize WPS-code to only perform full screen updates, if the content changed
08:15:58jimmy1990idk how to use it
08:16:19jimmy1990so what do i gotta do to get my album art displayed
08:16:31Buschele.g. time updates will be necessary only once per second, not 5 times per second
08:16:45cool_walking_jimmy1990, extract the zip archive somewhere, then do Start->Run-> "cmd".
08:16:58Buscheland the progress bar shall be drawn @5fps, but it doesn't need a full screen update
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08:17:22jimmy1990i did start run cmd a blk window popes up
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08:17:59cool_walking_in the black window, type "cd <path to directory where you extracted the sim>"
08:18:37cool_walking_and press enter
08:20:35cool_walking_you can copy-paste the directory name into the black window
08:21:05jimmy1990do u got windows messenger
08:21:29jimmy1990can u dowload it and do remote assisance
08:21:52jimmy1990cuz i aint getting this worth a fuck
08:21:53amiconnBuschel: The mono bitmap drawing can be optimized further. I am already thinking about it
08:22:19Buschelamiconn: how is this connected to the WPS? fonts?
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08:22:38amiconnBuschel: Every single letter is a mono bitmap.
08:22:55Buschelamiconn: ok, a step in the right direction
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08:23:29Buschelamiconn: but (on a 5G) the main factor seems to be updating to BCM
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08:23:49Buschelamiconn: 1 fps = 30/37 MHz
08:23:56jimmy1990srry man im jus new at this shit
08:24:06jimmy1990and u sound like u kno more bout this than me
08:24:27amiconnMaybe it is for the WPS. Optimizing mono bitmap drawing will help when scrolling lists with long lines especially on G5
08:24:31jimmy1990mayb im doing something wrong and not noticeing it u kno
08:24:39amiconnjimmy1990: Please use proper english in here.
08:24:52jimmy1990my bad
08:25:04jimmy1990but why
08:25:21cool_walking_jimmy1990, okay i've got windows messenger
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08:25:32jimmy1990what is your screen name
08:25:40jimmy1990because i forgot mine
08:25:57cool_walking_so have i..
08:26:15Buschelamiconn: for WPS: 1st option is to reduce full updates (only when content changed), 2nd option could be to use VP-rectangles (only draw these rectangles if content changed)...
08:26:26jimmy1990what email addy did you put your sn under
08:26:31Buschelbut this would mean a lot of work, i guess
08:27:06cool_walking_jimmy1990, okay it's
08:27:49jimmy1990hold on
08:28:15cool_walking_have to close all your porn windows?
08:28:19jimmy1990r u online
08:28:33Buschelamiconn: i once implemented a dirty-hack that saved the wps-content from the last update and compared it to the next wps-content (via string compare). screen update was only performed when there was at least one difference in the context
08:28:37jimmy1990it says your offline
08:29:11Buschelamiconn: this limited the screen update to ~1fps (not taking into account volume changes or battery percent changes)
08:29:29Buschelamiconn: evil code though...
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09:24:40*petur found a GPL violation... somebody offering a bugfix in the form of a binary :/
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09:29:41markunpetur: where exactly?
09:30:17B4gdermost violations are just by ignorance
09:30:46peturI'm just too curious what the fix is ;)
09:33:21peturhmmm seems to be some register settings
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09:34:35peturfrom reading the comments on that site, they just did trial and error changes until it worked
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09:39:36pixelmaI'm also curious about the KarlMarx wiki name
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09:51:02peturcould exist, some parents give their kids stupid names
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09:52:52*wpyh thinks petur can change the wording a bit
09:52:57wpyhit's too harsh IMO
09:53:14peturfair enough
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09:55:06GodEaterpetur: yeah, you left out the words "flaming torches", "pitchforks" and "angry mob"
09:55:31peturthere, that better?
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09:57:32wpyhpetur: that's better :)
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10:26:11safetydanHuzzah! The lua viewer works.
10:26:47bertriklua, the script?
10:26:51GodEatercongrats ;)
10:26:59GodEateryes, lua the script
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10:27:34Nico_Psafetydan: what does that mean? lua interpreter?
10:28:11safetydanNico_P, yes. It would basically add the ability to execute .lua files on Rockbox. Very early days yet though
10:28:50k4yis there any possibility of moving existing functionality over to Lua scripts?
10:29:09k4y(i mean, obviously it's still early, i was just wondering if there was a bigger plan)
10:29:11GodEaterI'm not sure why you'd want to...
10:29:30pixelmawanted to ask the same
10:29:45safetydanmy thoughts are mostly for plugin prototyping
10:29:55k4yi see
10:30:12k4yit would be cool if i could tweak builtin rockbox behaviour by twiddling/writing my own Lua scripts
10:30:24safetydanalso as a way (if it's performant enough) to write some plugins
10:30:24k4yor extend rockbox that way too
10:30:40pixelmabecause we need more plugins...
10:31:23Nico_Psafetydan: what are you basing your code on?
10:32:51safetydanpixelma, probably not, but who knows what scripting might bring
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10:33:06safetydanNico_P, lua 5.1 with a simple plugin wrapper
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10:38:14preglowsafetydan: isn't lua c++?
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10:39:44Nico_Ppreglow: it's written in C
10:40:39preglowcan't say i see the use for a lua plug, but i guess the prototyping argument is a good one
10:40:43preglowprototyping things in c isn't much fun
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10:43:45pixelmasafetydan: didn't use also start to rewrite the graphical eq screen? :)
10:44:31safetydanpixelma, yes, yes I did. It's one of a number of things I have sitting in various trees on my computer :)
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10:45:19B4gdernothing beats sitting in a tree programming ;-P
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10:52:49gevaertssafetydan: will lua plugins be able to use sqlite databases ?
10:53:01B4gderthe icons don't appear on /me lines...
10:53:27*Nico_P likes this addtion
10:53:45Nico_PB4gder: higlighting also doesn't work on /me lines
10:53:49safetydangevaerts, that would mean embedding sqlite in the lua viewer which would probably make the plugin too large to load
10:54:20gevaertssafetydan: then we'll just have to increase the plugin buffer size. This is too important!
10:54:42Nico_Pgevaerts: we still need to find a use for sqlite :)
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10:54:57gevaertsNico_P: exactly. This could be the one
10:55:05safetydanI was really hoping sqlite would compile down to a smaller size
10:57:35Nico_Psafetydan: maybe it can be tuned down a bit
10:57:51preglowhow big did lua end up?
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10:58:24safetydanpreglow, don't know yet. It's only running in the sim. Allegedly it can be compiled in 63k
10:58:32preglownot bad
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10:59:15safetydanNico_P, I think the smallest sqlite can get is 160k though I could never get it that small
11:01:16Nico_Psafetydan: IIRC with everything included it was ~250K (gevaerts?)... if you manage to get lua under 100K it's still OK, isn't it?
11:01:52preglowwhy is sqlite so important here?
11:01:53safetydanhow big is the plugin buffer anyway?
11:02:05preglowhalf a meg, afaik
11:02:16safetydanpreglow, every operating system needs a database right?
11:02:32gevaertspreglow: easy. A lot of people find sqlite useless, and a lot of people find lua useless, so the logical thing to do is to combine them :)
11:02:55preglowi see more use for lua itself as a prototyping tool than anything else, and sqlite fits poorly then
11:03:16lucentgevaerts: sounds like the Top Gear synopsis for the Mazda RX-8
11:03:17safetydancould replace the settings system: select volume from settings, update settings set volume = -30, and so forth :)
11:03:27amiconnsafetydan: 512KB on 16MB+ targets, 32KB on lowmem targets
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11:07:22preglowlets just increase the plugin buffer size so we can stuff more hated code into this thing :>
11:12:19safetydanso what else then, an OpenGL ES implementation? OpenAL for 3d sound as well?
11:12:46preglownow that i have a mac i'd like some objective-c apis as well :P
11:27:43*gevaerts has horrible visions about lua-scripted WPSes
11:28:39*wpyh wonders what good is lua for
11:30:01safetydangevaerts, there was a suggestion for that floating around at one point...
11:31:03gevaertsIf there are enough lua APIs, you could do all sorts of things, like playlist converters and generators
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11:34:27safetydanthat's what I'm hoping might happen, especially since scripts are more easily shared than binaries
11:35:53preglowas long as we don't have to hook that thing into the core,,,
11:35:58preglow... <-
11:36:42gevaertsWe don't. The only thing that may be needed is extending the plugin API a bit
11:36:58safetydanyeah this is not something I would ever expect to see in the core
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11:40:57bertrikwe could hook the stdin/stdout of lua to usb serial
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12:05:32pixelmaI'd thik that's still violating the copyright
12:05:42pixelmathink too
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12:08:23pixelmaor not openly, if one gives him the benefit of a doubt, he'll just tell them how to fix the themes...
12:09:22BigBambipixelma: He certainly hasn't answered the licence question
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13:39:19mcuelenaereNico_P: around?
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13:40:56Nico_PI scared him away it seems
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13:43:04mcuelenaereNico_P: naah, that's my internet connection
13:43:51mcuelenaerecan I send you the binary?
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13:44:04mcuelenaere(regarding the testing of Gigabeat S and MTP uploading within Windows)
13:44:52Nico_Pmcuelenaere: I'm at work and don't have my beast with me
13:45:22Nico_Pbut you can still send me the binary and I'll test this evening
13:45:23mcuelenaereNico_P: ah ok, then I'll wait till the evening unless somebody else is willing to help me?
13:46:05mcuelenaereNico_P: is DCC ok?
13:47:13*GodEater has a beast to hand...
13:47:26mcuelenaereGodEater: and Windows? and free time? :)
13:47:34*GodEater thinks so ;)
13:47:52mcuelenaereok then, do you want to compile the binary yourself or shall I send it you?
13:48:05Nico_Pmcuelenaere: if mibbit accepts it, yes
13:48:06mcuelenaere(it's in utils/MTP/, just do make sendfirm.exe with mingw installed)
13:48:16GodEateryou'll have to send it
13:48:25GodEaterI don't have a build env. for mingw
13:48:52mcuelenaereGodEater, Nico_P: DCC: Sending request, Awaiting reply
13:49:19mcuelenaereBTW you'll need the MTP_DLL.dll from utils/MTP/ to run it
13:49:38mcuelenaereand the sendfirm.exe.manifest (some quirk of MS)
13:50:17*GodEater gets connection failure through mibbit's DCC interface =(
13:50:25mcuelenaereI'll upload it
13:50:36GodEaterI'd upload *everything*
13:50:42GodEaterI have no svn access from work either
13:50:58GodEatersorry to be a pain :)
13:51:21Nico_Psame here
13:53:00GodEatermcuelenaere: bad news - blocked from work
13:53:07GodEaterperhaps I shouldn't have volunteered :(
13:53:18*Nico_P got the file
13:53:20mcuelenaereok :) I'll upload it to my ISP server
13:55:44mcuelenaereGodEater: mcuelenaere/">
13:56:17GodEaterhurray - got it :)
13:56:36mcuelenaere:) now find a nk.bin file to upload
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13:57:19GodEaterI have one of those
13:57:32mcuelenaeregood, now try it if it works
13:57:50mcuelenaereit's a CLI, so pretty easy; just sendfirm.exe [LOCATION_OF_NK.BIN]
13:58:31mcuelenaereif this works, I believe this will make the Gigabeat S one step closer to a release?
13:59:05GodEatercertainly will
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14:02:14GodEaterI need mingw on the machine I'm going to be running it on right ?
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14:02:27mcuelenaerenormally not, why do you ask?
14:02:44GodEaterjust checking
14:02:49mcuelenaereit requires the MS VC 2005 redistributable thingy though
14:02:50*GodEater won't bother downloading it then
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14:06:39bertrikWhat does HAVE_FLASH_DISK mean? the only target that defines is (as far as I can see) is the ifp7xx
14:08:00*GodEater 's beast's screen says "Updating"
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14:08:45mcuelenaereGodEater: does that mean it worked?
14:08:46GodEatermcuelenaere: the beast is saying "updating"
14:08:53GodEaterbut it's *still* saying that
14:08:55webguest66for info, trying to locate flashing instructions on the wiki for Archos V1 is a excercise in frustration
14:08:56GodEaterit seems to be taking too long
14:09:22mcuelenaerehmm just wait a bit, perhaps there is some minor difference in the process between the beast and the ZVM
14:09:41*GodEater thinks this took next to no time at all with the linux version
14:10:00mcuelenaerehmm so that means some debugging will be needed :(
14:10:06GodEaterpossibly =/
14:10:18mcuelenaeretoo bad, I hoped it would've worked on the beast too
14:10:20*GodEater also wonders what he's going to do with his beast now...
14:10:33mcuelenaereisn't it just writing to HDD?
14:10:41*webguest66 delegates a delegated to fix
14:11:26GodEaterwell I've ctrl-c'd the sendfirm
14:11:34GodEaterthe beast then said "Finishing"
14:11:46mcuelenaerehmm ok so it seems the Send File process hangs
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14:12:14GodEaterwell it's done *something*
14:12:25GodEaterthe RB bootloader appears to have disappeared
14:12:43mcuelenaereso it hasn't sent the whole file?
14:15:38GodEaternot sure
14:15:50*GodEater is attempting to reload the rb dual boot loader on to it
14:16:28GodEatermcuelenaere: for comparison, the linux sendfirm works in less than a second
14:17:24mcuelenaerehmm where can I find an firmware uploader for the beast?
14:17:40mcuelenaere(one from the OF)
14:17:56mcuelenaereI mean, the one that you get from Toshiba
14:18:00BigBambimcuelenaere: There was never a firmware update for the S
14:18:15BigBambiThere is a hacked V updater that does it linked from the wiki
14:18:20mcuelenaereah, so the hacked gigabeat V updater was always used?
14:18:42BigBambiafaik :)
14:18:51mcuelenaereok got it
14:19:17mcuelenaerehopefully it has some nice debugging strings in it..
14:20:16mcuelenaerewho hacked the fw updater?
14:20:36mcuelenaereah zunept
14:22:49*GodEater finds he has an out of date GBS bootloader
14:24:15GodEatermcuelenaere: I think your code isn't far off working
14:24:23mcuelenaereah I think I know the bug
14:24:23GodEaterit just seems to not "finish" up the copy properly
14:24:37GodEaterkilling the copy manually seemed to indicate the whole nk.bin had been sent properly
14:24:38mcuelenaereindeed, it seems to try adding the file again and again and again
14:26:16mcuelenaereGodEater: could you try again with mcuelenaere/MTP_DLL.dll"> ?
14:26:35mcuelenaerethis even show some debug information
14:27:09*gevaerts thinks that GodEater might well be motivated to keep trying until his beast is fixed :)
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14:28:34mcuelenaeregood :)
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14:30:19GodEaterI'll also make sure I use the right nk.bin this time :)
14:30:28GodEaterone which actually has a rockbox bootloader in it
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14:30:43GodEaterpoor mcuelenaere
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14:34:47GodEaterworked perfectly this time ;)
14:35:56*GodEater thinks mcuelenaere has cracked the windows install problem for the beast
14:36:20BigBambiNow just power management :)
14:36:26GodEater\o/ /o\
14:36:43GodEateryep, and then we can chuck the dual bootloader crap
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14:37:06GodEaterwhich means no issues with finding the "original" nk.bin
14:37:16BigBambiThat is the problem at the moment - you need dual boot to charge, but we can't give you the OF to make a dual boot
14:37:16mcuelenaereit worked? yeey :)
14:37:18GodEaterah, and domonoky can integrate this into rbutil forthwith ;)
14:37:23GodEatermcuelenaere: yep - perfectly
14:38:17mcuelenaereBTW could you give me what sendfirm.exe said on "RET = 0x%x"
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14:40:14GodEaterthat's the result, not a peculiar smiley btw
14:40:29mcuelenaereok, it's different from the ZVM but the code can handle it
14:41:02bertrikGenre9mp3, I'm working on replacing the ata_disk_is_active call by the ata idle callback mechanism
14:41:53Genre9mp3bertrik, I see
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14:46:53bertrikGenre9mp3, (unfortunately?) I couldn't resist simplifying some stuff
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14:50:38Genre9mp3why unfortunately?
14:59:35bertrikI ripped some things out that seemed overly complex, especially the scheduling of battery measurements. It's now purely time-based (e.g. every 60 seconds) and does not depend anymore on disk timeouts or whether music is playing or not.
15:00:35bertrik(I won't commit this without more discussion and testing of course)
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15:34:41Lloreanbertrik: What happens if the disk isn't spinning? Does the every 60 seconds cache them until the disk is spinning, and write then?
15:36:22bertrikLlorean, yes, it caches up to 1000 entries
15:37:46LloreanWhy not just cache up to "as mush as the the remaining plugin buffer can hold"?
15:38:03LloreanThough it does seem unlikely you'd need that many
15:39:15GodEaterLlorean: want to check out mcuelenaere's latest piece of work and make sure I wasn't just a fluke ? :)
15:39:16bertrikThe old cache size was set at 16000 bytes, I didn't change that yet
15:39:39bertrik(each measurement is 16 bytes)
15:40:43Lloreanbertrik: While unlikely, 1000 entries at 60 seconds per is a little less than 17 hours. I can imagine a full buffer containing more than that with some of the non-streaming formats in extremely rare cases, and it doesn't really hurt to use more plugin buffer.
15:41:04LloreanGodEater: What's this?
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15:41:28*gevaerts agrees. If someone runs a battery test with mods, not having to rebuffer is possible
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15:41:38mcuelenaereLlorean: a Windows native MTP fw uploader
15:41:41Nico_PLlorean: I'll answer for him: win sendfirm
15:41:49GodEaterstupid back key
15:42:11bertrikLlorean, OK how can I find out how much space can be used?
15:42:18Lloreangevaerts: Or SID if we ever support reading a track time database.
15:42:42Lloreanbertrik: I'm not sure. But it's probably a lot more than 16k. How big is the plugin itself?
15:42:52Lloreanmcuelenaere: I'd be happy to try it.
15:42:58*Llorean goes to find his beast.
15:43:06Llorean32 or 64 bit windows? (Vista only, I'm afraid)
15:43:10mcuelenaereLlorean: good, do you need the binaries or will you compile them yourself?
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15:43:29mcuelenaeretry both, with a bit of luck it works on 64bit :)
15:43:54LloreanI'd need the binaries, don't have any compilers set up for windows
15:44:36mcuelenaereit behaves like the normal sendfirm
15:45:22pixelmaLlorean, bertrik: don't forget that the battery_bench should also run on Archos players as it does now
15:45:27gevaertsbertrik: grep PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE firmware/export/config-*
15:45:39bertrikI remember something like 32k for archos
15:45:57Lloreanpixelma: It probably doesn't need to be expanded for Archoses, though.
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15:46:14Lloreanpixelma: The number of entries to cache
15:47:48bertrikthe battery bench plugin itself is about 2k code, RAM use is dominated by the measurement cache
15:49:22amiconnbertrik: You could make it dynamic, and use plugin_get_buffer()
15:49:39gevaertsbertrik: maybe #define BUF_SIZE (PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE - 8192) ? 8K should be enough
15:49:40Lloreanmcuelenaere: Vista-32: The Gigabeat's screen displayed "Updating" and the program reported success
15:49:49amiconnAh, no scrap that
15:50:13amiconnA tsr plugin *must not* use plugin_get_buffer(). And it must not use up all plugin ram statically either
15:50:19mcuelenaereLlorean: no "Finishing"?
15:51:01Lloreanmcuelenaere: It did that too.
15:51:13mcuelenaereLlorean: ah ok, so that means success?
15:51:39LloreanAs far as I can tell, yes.
15:51:44LloreanTrying on 64-bit now
15:51:45*gevaerts thinks that Llorean should brick his beast first, just to be sure
15:52:05bertrikOk, gevaerts' proposal sounds reasonable
15:52:47amiconnI'd rather stick to the 16k
15:53:25mcuelenaereamiconn: why can't you use all of the plugin RAM?
15:53:32gevaertsMaybe force a spinup if the buffer is full ? That would still give more meaningful results than stopping logging
15:53:36*Llorean apparently needs to install a windows update for his 64-bit machine to see it
15:55:44amiconnmcuelenaere: Normal plugins can, but tsr plugins must not do that. The core uses plugin_bet_buffer() itself for some things, e.g. for the playlist viewer
15:56:25mcuelenaereamiconn: so how do tsr plugins know how much RAM they can take?
15:56:35mcuelenaereis that decided at compile-time?
15:57:08bertrikgevaerts, what to do if the buffer is full is indeed an interesting question. I doubt that it happens often, 1000 entries is >16 hours with a 60s interval.
15:57:18amiconnEverything that's statically allocated is ok
15:58:17Nico_Pspinning the disk sounds OK to me
15:58:22amiconnIt might be though that if the remaining plugin buffer becomes too small (in the tsr plugin case), that core fieatures like the playlist viewer stop working.
15:58:31peturugh... two sides borrowing memory from each other sounds like it needs some memory management/allocation system
15:59:10Lloreanmcuelenaere: I can't test in Vista x64 because it seems to refuse to recognize my Gigabeat S in general. If I solve this, I'll let you know the results later.
15:59:11Nico_Pthe plugin buffer looks like a malloc pool IMHO
15:59:19amiconnThe system works very well for normal (foreground) plugins, as a foreground plugin and the playlist veiwer cannot be active at the same time
15:59:40mcuelenaereLlorean: ok
16:00:06Nico_Pthe cuesheet viewer also uses the plugin buffer
16:01:30peturplus some things *are* implemented as plugins, like credits, properties,..
16:02:10bertrikyes, indeed I noticed I could not view properties with battery bench active
16:03:20Nico_Phas making the plugin buffer a pool for a basic form of malloc ever been considered?
16:03:41gevaertsWhat I would do is allocate PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE-32k, with a minimum of 16k. (change numbers according to taste)
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16:22:36bertrikI think I'll stick to the current 16000 bytes for now during testing
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16:38:05pondlifeGodEater: Which pub are we starting in?
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16:51:33gevaertspondlife: pubs == beer == on topic :)
16:51:51pondlifeYep, but I'm in -community now too
16:52:25petur... where it is off topic ;)
16:52:50BigBambiHouses exploding are on topic in -community though :)
16:57:02soappixelma, I attempted to address the WPS modification thread you mentioned earlier today. Feel free to discuss if you think I'm being overly hard-line about it.
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17:05:27ian80I having a problem with rockbox util in Ubuntu 8.04 with a Sansa e260... maybe someone can help?
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17:06:20soapian80, you need to specifically describe said problem, and your attempts to resolve it so far. Nobody here (outside GodEater) can read minds. ;)
17:07:18ian80haha... ok here it is: rbutil autodetects a "sansa e200" fine on "/media/Sansa e260", but I get the message "no sansas found" when I try an install.
17:07:33ian80i can browse the device just fine in gnome.
17:07:55gevaertsian80: do you have root priviledges (i.e. did you run rbutil with sudo) ?
17:08:17ian80no, i didn't... sorry if i missed that in the manual... lemme try.
17:09:08ian80thanks! it's working like a charm.
17:09:22SxSBruceactually a little hateful ubuntu is
17:09:50SxSBruceit gets fat far from my expectation
17:10:26*gevaerts points SxSBruce to the other channel for non-rockbox-related things
17:10:58*SxSBruce escaped with a bear behind
17:11:35ian80any favorite rockbox themes for me to try out?
17:15:28PaulJamian80: just choose one you like, but be aware that some of the themes are broken becuse of recent syntax changes.
17:16:00*GodEater would say "a lot" and not just "some"
17:16:30ian80thanks for the warning.
17:17:29PaulJamian80: i would suggest to browse the gallery in the wiki, because the themes you can install with rbutil can't be updated at the moment.
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17:19:06ian80pauljam: thanks for the tip!
17:19:41ian80I have to say the rbutil is a great tool for getting new users to rockbox!
17:20:05GodEaterwe think so too :)
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17:22:25ian80thanks for all of your help! I'm off to enjoy the rockbox now.
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18:08:46leftrightHi, wiki recommendation; would it be possible to make the rockbox logo links more button like in appearance, currently they just look like logograms and dont give a clue that they could be links as well
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20:06:12MarcGuayAnyone object to changing the charging-only keypress on the h300 to the AB-Mode button? It's inconsistent and annoying asi it is, and it may take a while to come to a better solution (as discussed here:
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20:11:31MarcGuayZagor: Hi there. Any opinion on merging the WikiHome with the DocsIndex so that there's only 1 focal point?
20:13:26Zagoryes and no. DocsIndex is very good, but also quite overwhelming.
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20:16:32MarcGuayZagor: That's true. Perhaps the "Welcome" section could be prettied up a bit to make it less intimidating. I just remember that when I first came to the site I found it a bit confusing, and imagine it's the same for others.
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20:17:16ZagorMarcGuay: yes it probably is. but I think we need to do something more than throwing 200 links at them
20:17:28Zagorunfortunately I don't know what...
20:17:47Zagorback in a minute
20:18:03leftrightMarcGuay: I think that the style that you employ for describing features, i.e like in makes for a very cluttered, indistinct, and confusing way of decribing features
20:18:37StrangeletI have recently begun using Rockbox on an iPod Nano 1st gen. I am currently having trouble applying themes, could somebody point me towards a tutorial or FAQ section that could help me in this situation?
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20:25:38MarcGuayStrangelet: You simply extract them to the root of your player and then select the theme from the Browse Themes menu.
20:26:37bertrikmaybe he also needs some fonts that are not part of the standard rockbox installation?
20:28:15StrangeletMarcGuay: Done and done, though I have noticed that the theme-defined interface for the now playing screen (the .wps I believe it is called) isn't shown for certain themes. What could potentially be the problem? And how could I fix this?
20:29:21leftrightMarcGuay: and in several cases the description leans towards being condescending
20:29:55MarcGuayleftright: Sorry>
20:29:58StrangeletMarcGuay: Okay, odd thing I have noticed. I am looking in the '.rockbox' directory on my iPod. Some of the wps files are found to be X-executables, andsome are plain text
20:30:06StrangeletMarcGuay: I will follow that link
20:30:41MarcGuayStrangelet: That could be because Windows seems to make everything an executable, even text files.
20:30:57StrangeletMarcGuay: I am running ArchLinux :P
20:31:16leftrightMarcGuay: no need to apologise, I thank you for what you're doing, just a small suggestion on mybehalf to perhaps make it better
20:31:27StrangeletThough your assumption has some grounds. xD
20:31:47MarcGuayleftright: Just because my name is on a page doesn't mean I wrote the whole thing. And I meant to write "Sorry?" not "Sorry".
20:32:14MarcGuayStrangelet: I meant that the people who created those files may have been using Windows.
20:32:27StrangeletMarcGuay: ahhh! Gotcha. ;)
20:32:44MarcGuayleftright: And it's a wiki, so roll up your sleeves and fix it!
20:33:40leftrightyes, I did make a entry which was simple and concise and you promptly changed it
20:34:42leftrightyou tend to flower statements instead of being precise and concise
20:34:57MarcGuayleftright: Ah, I see. Well you didn't phrase it as a question (it's a FAQ) and simply put a link, which isn't really very nice either. I was trying to be descriptive.
20:35:46MarcGuayleftright: Go ahead and change it back, then. I do my best.
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20:37:57leftrightI'll look into it and change it, I'll ask you to proof it as you seem to be the main editor and contributor around here
20:38:00StrangeletMarcQuay: So I read the thread you linked me to, so.. what it is trying to tell me is that I must manually edit the .wps configs?
20:38:22MarcGuayleftright: Just another nerdy volunteer, chum.
20:38:38MarcGuayStrangelet: Yep.
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20:39:09MarcGuayStrangelet: Not the .cfg files, just the .wps, to be clear.
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20:40:47StrangeletMarcGuay: Okay, so %m may be replaced by %V, though what replaces %P?
20:41:06booster614hey a real noob to hacking/moding mp3 players and i was on the site looking for a firmware tool for my philpis 2gb go gear player. but i found out that you guys dont have anything for these players yet, just wondering if and when you will?/
20:41:29MarcGuayleftright: I still don't see how adding a brief description of what "flashing" is for the uninitiated could be interpreted as condescending, but anyway...
20:41:47MarcGuayStrangelet: It gets merged into %pb
20:42:09Zagorbooster614: see here:
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20:42:51StrangeletSo.. I could replace '%P|pb.bmp|' with '%pb|pb.bmp|'?
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20:44:23MarcGuayStrangelet: Yep, and add the x,y and size..
20:44:46StrangeletMarcGuay: Excellent, %m can be replaced with... %V?
20:45:46MarcGuayStrangelet: %m was to set a left margin, but now with %Viewports, you can define an entire area to use (left-right-top-bottom), so it's useless...
20:46:20StrangeletMarcGuay: Aight, I will edit the file now, let's hope it comes out nicely. :)
20:47:02MarcGuayStrangelet: You can test with a simulator to save time/headaches. Though maybe at this point you don't need more new stuff to deal with.. :)
20:47:25StrangeletHmm.. A simulator, eh? I will check them out. ;)
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22:10:24delorean90im attempting to learn C so i can contribute to rockbox, but i am completely confused, all this is so new to me, is there any thing anyone could reccomend that would allow me to make sense of it all. im starting completely from scratch i have no coding expirience
22:13:41MarcGuaydelorean90: Try searching the internet for "c programming introduction" or similar... I'm sure there are tons of tutorial sites that can walk you through the basics.
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22:24:08delorean90i found one that im starting to look at now, and im downloading cygwin based on the rockbox wiki
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22:30:10delorean90this is all very confusing, about how long does it take to pick up?
22:31:54bluebrotherdepends. To _really_ learn programming forever −− you always find something to learn ;-)
22:32:39bertrikTo be honest, I think it takes at least a year if you have no prior programming experience
22:33:01delorean90thats what i assumed, hopefully theres a class in my high school i can take
22:33:13bertrikbut you could also help with other things, like translations, manuals, themes, etc.
22:33:16saratogaprobably took me two semesters before i got really comfortable with c in college
22:33:28bluebrotheryou can learn the basic usage of a programming language in about one week −− given that you already are kinda familiar with a similar language
22:33:46bluebrotherbut then that's only the basics. And for "real" programming you usually need a bit more
22:34:50delorean90cool, i hope to really get involved and learn how the magic happens at rockbox ;) ive always been into computers, i just never learned about programming or even heard of it untill about 2 years ago
22:34:52bluebrotherso I agree that one should consider one year of work
22:35:29bluebrotherit's also kinda amazing how (not) many people know touch-typing. Also such a thing you only learn when doing it.
22:36:42bertriktyping without looking at the keyboard I assume
22:36:56*bluebrother just was checking if the english term is correct
22:37:23delorean90ohhh, makes sense haha
22:37:49*bluebrother needed 3 months to get used to the basics.
22:39:00bluebrotherdoes anyone have an idea why I don't see _anything_ of my m200 on usb with flash disconnected? It should be in usb boot mode :(
22:40:33bertrikdelorean90, as you use rockbox, you may find the odd bug here and there. It's very helpful to have people who can accurately report bugs and maybe can even have a look at the code themselves to get an idea where to look for the problem.
22:40:57PaulJambluebrother: now that yu mentioned the manual in the other channel: i was wondering if the WPS tags topic is really needed. i mean people wanting to design a WPS are always sent to the CustomWPS page and the is qiute out of tate in that section.
22:41:37PaulJam*and the manual is qiute out of date in that section.
22:41:42delorean90that would be awesome to help out with, so if i get the basics down i could look for bugs and such?
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22:42:07MarcGuayPaulJam: I agree. There are a few things that need to be decided whether they belong in the wiki or the manual (plugins are dupped as well).
22:42:31bluebrotherI think it's duped ;-)
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22:43:02MarcGuaybluebrother: USB boot mode is subtle. I see very little in windows with the c100 connected.
22:43:07bluebrotherbut I somewhat like the tags being in the manual −− it's more "static". Unfortunately the people changing the wps parser usually forget to update the manual :(
22:43:43bluebrotherMarcGuay: do you have an advice for me? From reading the wiki I should only need to disconnect the flash and plug the player to the PC
22:44:05bluebrotherand btw, I'm on linux. Tried on wxp too, no difference.
22:45:41MarcGuaybluebrother: No experience with the m200. How are you looking for it? On Windows I only see it in Device Manager as a "LIbUSB-Win32 Device"... And that's after installing the tcctool driver... Maybe that's what you're missing?
22:46:24bluebrotherwell, the system should find an unknown usb device and tell me about it in the syslog. But there's no trace about it
22:46:50bluebrotherand even on w32, without the libusb filter driver installed it should detect some unknown usb device afaik.
22:47:13MarcGuaybluebrother: That's true... Maybe wait for lambdacalculus...
22:47:30pixelmaspeaking of WPS tags in the manual, I wondered what to do with some tags not present on the charcell Player or things like the RTC related tags in non-RTC target manuals, or the backdrop tag - disable them when not possible on the target or leave them in case people study different WPSs?
22:47:40MarcGuaybluebrother: Or get a c100! :)
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22:48:20pixelmaor even add notes?
22:48:29delorean90ok so im on the tutorial and it explains a basic program, how do i run this with cygwin?
22:48:52bluebrotheryou need to compile it.
22:49:10delorean90so i just type it in and hit enter?
22:49:23bluebrotherbut as this is not really rockbox related please use a different channel. You can find some guys from here in #rockbox-community ...
22:49:52delorean90ok thankyou
22:50:23saratogawhats the advantage of registering in IRC?
22:50:53bluebrotheryou can f.e. ghost your nick in case of network dropouts and don't need to wait for the timeout
22:51:06bluebrotherbut most important, you can send PMs
22:51:20PaulJamand noone else can take your nickname
22:51:51saratogawho do i contact about it?
22:52:25bluebrotherNickServ ;-)
22:52:44bluebrother /msg nickserv register <forgot the rest, check freenode faq>
23:01:07amiconn/msg nickserv help is quite useful as well
23:01:39amiconnMeh, the bimmerbox project is violating the GPL iiuc:
23:02:00amiconnIt's modified rockbox, but without source
23:02:46Zagordefinitely a violation
23:03:51saratogaat least it appears to be due to them being dumb rather then malicious
23:04:11Zagoryes, most violations are
23:08:28bluebrotherbimmerbox? Weird name.
23:08:48saratogabimmer is what annoying people call a BMW
23:09:28bluebrothernever heard that.
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23:33:39peturMarcGuay: re your statement of 3 hours ago: FAT has no 'executable' flag
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23:34:24MarcGuaypetur: Blast from the past. Sorry? Windows setting executable..?
23:35:10MarcGuayI brought it up because it happened to me the other day with a file I committed. Believe my system is NTFS.
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23:52:41peturMarcGuay: he was talking about files in the .rockbox dir on his ipod having the executable bit set. That partition is supposed to be FAT32 and has no such thing as executable flags. I'm not really sure NTFS has them even (I think not)
23:53:08MarcGuaypetur: Gotcha.
23:53:14*petur excuses for the heavy lag caused by a 1 month old refusing to sleep
23:54:01*petur will try now by setting an example
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