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#rockbox log for 2008-07-05

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00:08:43texasdexhello all
00:09:15texasdexI am trying to find out how to change the bootloader so that it defaults to the factory firmware instead of the rockbox firmware
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00:09:55texasdexI've looked all over the place and read the FAQ but can't find anything except a changelog that said it was changed to default to Rockbox
00:10:40Lloreantexasdex: You'd have to compile your own.
00:10:55texasdexbootloader or rockbox?
00:11:41LloreanBasically just revert the change from that instance in the changelog
00:12:00texasdexthis one: "2005-11-20, dave, iPod: Change bootloader so that Rockbox loads by default"?
00:12:09LloreanBut be aware, we don't provide support for modified builds, including alternate bootloaders. Especially since they may be outdated (or newer than the official one, either case is not good)
00:12:42texasdexwell what I'd probably do is take the latest and reverse the diff manually
00:12:43LloreanOn the iPod it doesn't make sense to reverse the bootloader anyway. Once you're in the original firmware, you have to explicitly leave it anyway.
00:12:58texasdexSansa e200
00:13:05texasdexso I can turn it off easily
00:13:09LloreanWell, that message refers to the iPod.
00:13:22LloreanIt doesn't matter whether you take the latest or an older one, we don't support players running any but the exact one we compiled.
00:13:30texasdexfair enough
00:13:41LloreanThere can be very strange issues with nonstandard bootloaders.
00:14:04LloreanAnd that can include ones newer than the one we provided as well as older, since we only verify "released" bootloaders to be working properly and check bugs against them.
00:14:51LloreanThe bootloader and Rockbox itself share some code, and code isn't tested against the bootloaders, since we keep one specific binary version available, and if something major needs updated, we test and provide a new binary. As well, yes, there can be compiler related issues.
00:15:57texasdexis there some possibility of making this configurable?
00:16:12LloreanRockbox is designed as a replacement firmware.
00:16:21LloreanThere is no desire to make the bootloader configurable.
00:17:13bluebrotherwho would want to use the OF if he can get Rockbox anyway? ;-)
00:17:24texasdexmy girlfriend
00:17:33texasdexso that would be a "she"
00:18:18saratoga think theres actually a reverse bootloader for the sansa posted in the forums in the unsupported builds section
00:19:00texasdexmy GF uses the sansa too for recording, and has had trouble with the rockbox recording feature
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00:19:14texasdexso that would be useful
00:19:34saratogarecording on the sansa is pretty awful, but I recall rockbox being quite a bit better at it
00:20:43texasdexin terms of sound quality or user interface?
00:22:48texasdexcause I just tried starting to record in Rockbox and the whole thing froze
00:23:16texasdexhad to hold power button to exit
00:23:46pixelmaquality and possible settings, slightly higher bitrate (Rockbox 22.05kHz, SansaOF 16kHz, if I remember correctly - mono or stereo is not fixed - records until disk is full - different file formats are possible, such as mp3)
00:25:06texasdexwell that's all well and good but mine isn't working
00:25:14pixelmahaven't experienced freezing whenever I tried recording on my c200 sansa though I never really used it for something usefull, just tried it out
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00:27:06pixelmaisn't working... what happens and what did you try?
00:27:33texasdexwell I tried going to the "recording" section and hitting either the play or record buttons
00:27:40texasdexthe entire thing freezes up solid
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00:28:49saratogai just tried the latest Sansa build and recording is working normally
00:29:00saratogawhat build were you using?
00:29:20texasdexshould be the latest
00:29:26texasdexthat's what the utility installs right?
00:29:47saratogasure but latest when?
00:29:55saratogagot the r number?
00:30:33texasdexsure just a seg
00:31:04texasdexneeded to hold down power button to reboot it
00:33:01saratogawell thats a couple weeks old, so I guess you could try a newer build
00:33:16saratogai don't recall recording being broken recently though
00:33:49texasdexodd... why would mine be broken then?
00:34:56saratogawell if you can suggest a way for me to reproduce it on the current build, maybe i can give you an answer
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00:35:48pixelmajust to exclude a misunderstanding - what did you see on the screen (did peak meter or the filezise line stall, what was shown in the statusbar)? And another idea, how much space (storage wise) is left on your Sansa?
00:35:48zylcheQ: a lot of .wps are not working anymore since I upgraded to july 3rd's build, known bug or own problem?
00:36:38pixelmano bug or problem, WPS syntax changed in a not backwards compatible way
00:41:09texasdexoh dang my cable is at work
00:41:39texasdexok, so I go to the "record" section
00:41:49texasdexand then I hit Play or the Record button
00:41:53texasdexand everything stops
00:42:03texasdexfilesize or length doesn't change
00:42:12texasdexpeak meter freezes
00:42:19texasdexand I can't do anything
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00:42:53texasdextried pressing every button I could think of
00:42:57saratogadoes it happen with the current build?
00:43:12texasdexI can't test because I don't have my cable
00:43:17texasdexit's at work
00:44:12texasdexbut yeah everything freezes, even the backlight timer and LED wheel timer freeze, so the screen and wheel stay lit
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00:44:41texasdexI guess I'll come back on Monday
00:45:03texasdexunless it's possible to use an iPod cable to connect the Sansa
00:45:15texasdexI don't think it is, but those dock ports are frustratingly similar
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00:46:17texasdexnope doesn't work
00:46:43texasdex(why the hell did Sandisk make the connector almost but not quite exactly like an iPod connector
00:47:17zebecause they liked the ipod connector but couldnt/wouldnt make it compatible?
00:47:45texasdexprobably. anyways thanks guys, I'll try with the latest rockbox and let you know if it still doesn't work
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00:58:43saratogai've got a question about linking in gcc
00:59:21saratogaif i've got a binary SDL.lib compiled for wince, how do I make sure rockbox links against that instead of trying to use the built in linux SDL ?
01:00:24Nico_Psaratoga: give an -L flag?
01:00:32zewell i think it would fail to link against the linux one anyway
01:00:34zebut yeah -L probably
01:00:45saratogawell yes it is currently failing, hence the question
01:01:00saratogaso I should edit the makefile to have -L in the CFLAGS?
01:01:11saratogaand the path to the SDL.lib i want to use?
01:01:24saratogai guess i'd need the same thing for the headers that came with it
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01:02:08Nico_Psaratoga: you need -I in CFLAGS for the includes, and -L in LDFLAGS for the lib
01:02:39saratogaNico_P: I should do this for the Makefile that comes out of configure right?
01:02:45saratoganot just the sim specfic makefiles
01:02:56Nico_Pthat I'm not sure... maybe
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01:08:36saratogaso if I do "#include "SDL.h"" and then specify a -I"path" it takes the path header before any others right?
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02:29:14JThundleyI made this awesome theme that seems to have stopped working on newer versions of rockbox
02:29:22JThundleywas there a big change in the way themes were done?
02:29:55JThundleymy simulator with the good looking theme is from r15971 of the iaudio x5 build
02:31:14scorche|shthere was...see the commit log
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02:33:13JThundleywould you mind pointing me in that direction? I'm not to keen with svn
02:34:58saratogathe commit log is linked from the front page, failing that theres more about it in the forums, mailing list, today's IRC logs
02:35:02JThundleyit's frustrating searching for the wps howtos and finding the same old documents that taught me how to do it before
02:35:46LloreanWell the CustomWPS wiki page was updated with the new changes.
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02:38:39JThundleyI'll re-read that whole page then, thanks :)
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02:39:10gevaertsJThundley: There are some links to the revision history near the bottom, so you can see what changed
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02:45:04Mode"#rockbox +o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
02:45:21saratogais there a proper way to check if a target is ARM 7 or ARM 9 ?
02:45:27Mode"#rockbox +b SETH_HIKARU!*@* " by scorche|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
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02:46:13saratogai'd like to do an ARM7/9 specific optimization, and I'd rather it work on all future targets with those CPUs, not just the ones we have now
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02:51:41kushal_12_27_200is it possible to make rockbox work on a camera like Samsung i85? How would the porting work?
02:52:59saratogakushal_12_27_200: it'd work like porting to any other device
02:53:18saratogahowever, since rockbox does not have any camera functionality, it would be an odd thing to do
02:54:25kushal_12_27_200I understand that ... maybe we should diversify to make camera firmware. It would be pretty sweet if cameras like Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ7 could take RAW images.
02:54:53gevaertsI would expect that most developers don't want to do that
02:55:23saratogayou're welcome to work on it, however since it would appear to have very little in common with anything rockbox does, it'd probably be a fork of this project
02:55:29kushal_12_27_200gevaerts, is it because it would be a drain on resources?
02:55:45saratogait wouldn't drain resources
02:55:53gevaertskushal_12_27_200: it's something entirely different
02:56:16saratogaits just a pretty silly idea, so no one is going to want that code mixed up with rockbox
02:57:33scorche|shi dont see anything in common with rockbox, really
02:58:00gevaertsWell, you could reuse the fat driver
02:59:31saratogatheres probably a lot in firmware that would be useful, but almost everything in apps would be useless
02:59:51saratogaexcept maybe the menu code i guess
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03:03:29kushal_12_27_200well, it is the cameras like the i85 are the ones who are encroaching on the media player market
03:05:11kushal_12_27_200once they get the battery matter sorted out and we get a god battery life in cameras, it would not be as silly
03:05:27gevaertsMaybe, but as ever, someone has to do the work
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03:15:02kushal_12_27_200gevaerts, you are correct
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03:17:37JThundleymy theme is coming together nicely. again. Thanks for the help guys!
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05:06:10delorean90hello, i am in the process of learning C, and i was wondering, do i have to be fluent in it to contribute to rockbox? sorry if this is off topic, ill move it
05:07:35Lloreandelorean90: how much you need to know more or less depends on what you want to do...
05:08:59delorean90well eventually i would like to contribute to one of the new ports, but seing as my knowledge of c is practically nothing, i understand i cant do that yet. i would just like to take baby steps and become more firmiliar with rockbox in parallel with my learning of c
05:09:21LloreanThen do so. I'm not really sure what sort of answer you're looking for.
05:12:55delorean90can i complie builds and include patches without a full knowledge of c ( should i bother to attempt this and expiriment with simulators) or should i just focus my efforts with becoming fluent in c before i work with rockbox (im not suggesting comminting builds or anything, just experimenting by myself) sorry if what im saying is confsuing this is all very new to me
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05:13:46Guest27458Hello, I was wondering if someone could help me locating the alarm feature on a Sansa e200?
05:14:07delorean90did you check the manual for your dap?
05:14:24Guest27458Yes, there is a reference, but no instructions.
05:14:46delorean90do you mean, to use it? or just locating it within the menus
05:15:07Guest27458Plugins and the wake up alarm do not support voice features. - That is the only reference
05:15:54delorean90one second, i am not firmiliar with the sansa, ill look over the manual quick
05:18:01Lloreandelorean90: You can compile builds with patches without any knowledge of C at all. But you won't learn much that way.
05:18:19Guest27458I actually know a bit of C__
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05:19:29delorean90ok thats what i thought thankyou, i guess ill stick to the boring tutorials and hopefully with time ill be able to help the rockbox project
05:19:55Guest27458So the alarm?
05:20:57delorean90yes, i understand what you mean about finding im having a little trouble myself, especially since i no longer have my rockboxed h10. let me just check the wiki really quick
05:25:56delorean90ok try going to settings\ general settings \ system \ wake up alarm
05:26:08Guest27458Ok thanks ;)
05:26:17delorean90im not sure quite how to use it, ive never bothered with it on my old h10
05:27:33Guest27458Dam its not there :(
05:27:50delorean90have you updated to the most recent build?
05:28:16Guest27458The one on the current build page?
05:28:41Guest27458I have
05:29:16delorean90ok, ill try looking through the simulatro for the sansa e200
05:29:40Guest27458Thanks for that, I really apreciate the effort.
05:31:11delorean90anytime, im sorry to say though, it seems the e200 dosent have this feature implemented
05:31:55Guest27458Can I get a plugin or something?
05:33:12delorean90you could check the trakcer to see if there is a patch for it
05:33:34Guest27458How do you do that
05:33:41Guest27458Sorry its my first day XD
05:34:36delorean90for a first timer you seem to respect the rockbox guidelines, its very nice to see that once in a while
05:34:55delorean90it may be a hardware limitation that the sansa does not have a wake up alarm
05:35:28Guest27458I don't really need it to wake up the player, just play a song at 7:00. ;)
05:36:39delorean90you could try posting a thread in the proper section of the rockbox forums and ask if it is possible for that. i myself am not too firmiliar with the sansa and i wouldnt want to mislead you
05:37:15Guest27458Ok, thanks for your time
05:38:13delorean90no problem, just always remember to check the wiki when you have a problem, and if you cannot find the answer there, then you may post a thread following rockbox guidelines
05:38:51Guest27458I searched the wiki, but there was nothing there.
05:39:31delorean90yes, im just saying for other problems, the rockbox devs are very strict about thread posting
05:39:51Guest27458Oh ok, thankyou
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07:40:16safetydaninteresting, the lua viewer (so far) is 137188 bytes which is about half the size of doom
07:40:25safetydanand that includes libm I think
07:44:38safetydanhuzzah! lua runs on my h120
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09:31:09crazy_busI have no idea what I did, but all themes except one are showing a generic wps screen. Can anyone tell me what file to delete and fix it?
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09:39:35pixelmayou don't have to delete something, you have to fix the .wps files because the syntax has changed and made them break. You could find information in the svn commit message (already a few weeks ago now), the wiki and in the forums. This has been covered quite a few times
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09:44:05crazy_busThanks. I missed that
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10:15:16stripwaxmorning all!
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10:23:41GodEater_that was a quick visit
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10:45:11bluebrotherpixelma: around?
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10:45:50bluebrotherI'm considering giving updating the german translation of rbutil a try today (have a travel by train, so a bit time for that)
10:46:26bluebrotherbut I'm wondering how the user should get addressed. "Du", "Sie", completely neutral? How does the translation in Rockbox do this?
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10:49:00pixelmahmm... there is this string "Are you sure?" and it is translated as "Sind Sie sicher?"
10:49:33pixelmaI'd probably try to avoid it as much as possible
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10:50:06bluebrotherok, I'll try being neutral, and if it's not possible use "Sie". As far as I've seens it's quite inconsistent now
10:51:15pixelmathat's also the only example I could find in deutsch.lang
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10:53:16pixelmanice, from what I could see in some diffs etc. the rbutil translation really needs some cleanup :)
10:53:46bluebrotheryeah. And I'm planning to make a rbutil release tomorrow. So syncing the translations before is a good thing ;-)
10:54:08bluebrotherfrench and dutch are already up to date.
10:56:52pixelmaI would need to look into setting up a development environment for rbutil first if I want to help with that, but I am interested
10:57:41pixelmaI'm aware of the RockboxUtilityDevelopment page
11:01:12bluebrotherdoesn't surprise me (that you're aware of that page ;-)
11:01:31Nico_Ppixelma: you don't need much
11:01:42Nico_Pjust qt4-linguist basically
11:02:03pixelmawell, it looks like I still need the qt and MinGW packages
11:02:19bluebrotheryou even don't need that −− the ts files are xml, so you can edit them with a simple text editor.
11:02:30bluebrotherusing linguist is nicer though ;-)
11:02:59bluebrotheryou need to run lupdate on the project to get updated .ts files. But even that could be done by someone else
11:03:16bluebrotherand of course it's nice if you can check in the real application afterwards
11:04:13pixelmaok, saw that in the diffs (that they are xml) but would be more convenient to set everything up, so I could also compile rbutil completely if I wanted to
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11:28:02*pixelma wonders a bit why there still is a warning in the current swcodec builds, must have been a few hours now
11:38:07Nico_Pnot a very serious warning though
11:43:05bertrikyeah, simply removing tmp probably fixes it
11:45:06*wpyh finds out that the M3's RTc is S35390A
11:47:11pixelmathe Meizu M3?
11:47:36pixelmayou should really state that too because there is also the Iaudio M3...
11:50:58bertrikwpyh, nice to know!
11:51:10wpyhyes, the Meizu M3
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11:54:44markunwpyh: thanks
11:55:14markunthe s5l8700 also has an RTC, but maybe it would use too much power in standby.
11:55:41*wpyh got an M3 for disassembly today ;)
11:56:05markunwpyh: did the other components match?
11:56:20*bertrik is reading the datasheet and notices standby current of about 1 uA for the S35390A
11:57:18markunbertrik: standby means you cannot read or write but the clock keeps running?
11:57:52wpyhmarkun: yes, except for the SDRAM and chip, but they are clearly visible from online photos IIRC
11:58:17bertrikyes, as far as I understand, clock running and not communicating over i2c
11:58:23wpyhthe RAM is not important so I didn't look closely :p and the chip is covered with sticky foam
11:58:32markunwpyh: what do you mean? No 16MB of SDRAM?
11:58:45*wpyh thinks 1uA is small enough
11:58:59wpyhmarkun: no, what I mean is there is a RAM chip but I didn't look too closely
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11:59:09markunprobably smaller than what the CPU in sleep mode would consume.
11:59:16markunsmaller -> lower
11:59:19bertrikoops, MAX about 1 uA, typical about 0.3 uA, pretty good I think
11:59:52wpyhbtw, there is another chip / component labeled "H127D", but I don't know what it is
11:59:55markunbut I think I read some things about the clock not being perfect
12:00:09wpyhmaybe a transistor? since it has 3 legs
12:00:24wpyhyes, the clock is skewed when transferring data :p
12:01:14markunwpyh: perhaps we can set the s5l clock when we boot rockbox, and then set the S35390A when we power off.
12:01:18wpyhand interestingly, the Meizu M3 has two crystals (at least they look like crystals)
12:01:40wpyhwell, we should try both approaches first
12:01:47markunwpyh: it's not uncommon. The gigabeat has 3 crystals I think
12:02:01wpyhmaybe the clock is skewed because usb takes up too much cpu? :-\
12:02:06markunfor CPU, RTC and USB
12:02:07bertrikyeah, maybe one for the CPU, one for USB, one for RTC, etc
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12:31:34davizzlegud mornin.
12:40:22davizzleI had that problem that after a reinstall of rockbox, my colors went weird and somebody here gave me an old version that works fine.
12:40:28davizzleBlame on me i forgot his name :(
12:40:43davizzleBut the question is : does the actual daily release solve that issue?
12:41:34pixelmano, unfortunately not
12:41:45davizzledooh :(
12:42:24davizzleAh and i have that frame problem with videos in mpegplayer. They always "jump" . bot 25 and 29 fps
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12:43:08markundavizzle: which player do you have?
12:43:22markun(or did I miss something)
12:43:54pixelmaguessed that would be the Ipod Color/Photo (4th gen)
12:44:20pixelmabecause of the bug with the type 0 lcds
12:44:23markunin that case, mpegplayer can only do 18fps (last time it was checked) full screen
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12:45:06markunmight be a bit more these days, but it doesn't specify a revision number
12:48:29bluebrotherwhat do people think about removing the "install all" button from the theme installation window and instead putting a hint there "you can select multiple entries by holding ctrl / shift"?
12:48:56davizzle18 fps :( ooohhhh
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12:52:32pixelmathe problem is that no developer has such a problematic Ipod and it would be very helpful for debugging if someone could lend one so that it can be fixed much more easily
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12:55:00bluebrotherwoah, the german translation of rbutil is really bad :(
12:56:50PaulJamdoesn't lambdacalculus have one of those G4s?
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12:58:17bluebrothergtg now ... cu
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13:00:22davizzleso i should send my ipod to a developer for helping purposes ?
13:00:43davizzleyeah right
13:00:51davizzlethere is a dev who has a photo !
13:01:02davizzlethe one who sent me the workin version :)
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13:03:45pixelmaPaulJam: yes, but he's in the US, and I know amiconn would be interested in fixing the bug and he is in Germany
13:04:56pixelma-> shipping the player would be cheaper while testing remotely is not very convenient
13:14:12davizzlewhere is he in germany
13:14:33markundavizzle: when the new build works again you could do a mpegplayer speedtest, there have been some improvements over time.
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13:14:54davizzleof course i can do that
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13:18:41pixelmadavizzle: he's on rasher's map
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13:25:45markunmoos: hi moos, did you take a look at the arabic translation?
13:25:57markunJust to see if you can understand it maybe.
13:27:22moosHi markun, I didn' yet, but I promised to MTee to look at it...(even didn't find the time to update the french one yet)
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14:12:46JdGordon_bertrik: hey, nice work with batt bench
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14:12:52mrkikoAnd so now youre gplv3
14:13:04JdGordongplv2 or later
14:13:16mrkikoright, sorry
14:13:21bertrikthanks, have only tested it on my sansa e200 though :)
14:13:32mrkikoDoes this mean that gplv3 code can be included?
14:13:32JdGordonthe difference is v3 projects can import our code
14:13:50mrkikobut vice-versa will not happen
14:14:06JdGordonus importing v3? yeah, not unless we choose to go v3
14:14:09bertrikBTW, you said that the ata callback is called every 3s, is this really the case?
14:14:15JdGordoni think so
14:15:01JdGordonyep... HZ*3..
14:15:08mrkikoI'm happy to see by the changelog that the problem of tracks disappearing has been solved
14:15:13JdGordonthat should probbaly be changed to something smarter
14:15:15mrkikoit was very annoying;
14:15:42JdGordonyeah, a few playback bugs have been zapped recently which is great
14:16:09mrkikoI'm reviewing the voice code a little
14:16:11JdGordonI'm waiting till uni starts again before I can judge though... I hardly use my DAP's during the holidays
14:16:45bertrikhmm, scrobbler basically uses the same cache/flush method as used now in battery bench. I think I did see delayed flush work well with scrobbler.
14:16:51mrkikoand may be in some days I'll come back here if I figure out eactly why my player does an infinite loop sometimes when tolking. I think something is wrong with the shutup function
14:17:01mrkikobut I'll tell things later when I'm sure :)
14:17:29bertrikJdGordon: ah I think I see what you mean, in ata-sd-pp, line 1080
14:18:19*mrkiko is crashing
14:20:13*JdGordon spots a list bug which has gone unnoticed for a few months :/
14:20:33bertrikmrkiko: I think there's still a bug related to skipping tracks when the battery level is spoken (at 50, 30, 15, 10 and 5 percent if I recall correctly)
14:21:04bertriksome kind of interaction between talking and playback
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14:22:41JdGordonwouldnt surprise me...
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14:43:13JdGordonsoap: i disagree with that post in the 320x240 wps' fixed thread.... copyright on the images is fine... but the text? come on....
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15:20:55JulianWI have a problem with my rockbox
15:21:14JulianWI updated and now none of my themes are working any more =(
15:21:50JulianWtried everything... -deleting the whole rockbox folder and installing everything again etc
15:22:12JulianWanyone there?
15:22:35PaulJamthere was a change in the WPS syntax recently that broke almost all themes
15:23:40JulianWmhm, is there anything I could do?
15:23:44PaulJamsome of the threads here should contain information how to fix them (if there isn't already an updated version available):
15:23:46Genre9mp3JulianW: Read this commit message, you'll find it useful:;revision=17759
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15:26:36JulianWok, there is a perl script.. I'll try that. Thanx again :) !!!
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16:21:41JeezuzHey guys :P i need some help finding somthing >.<
16:22:15JeezuzUnless everyone's idle, thats cool too >.>
16:22:27*gevaerts looks around, but he also can't find it
16:22:56JeezuzWikipedia said rockbox was available for the phillips gogear, but its no where on the site :S
16:23:45bertrikwikipedia is wrong
16:26:00gevaertsBesides, there is no such thing as "the" philips gogear
16:26:27JeezuzI used the word "The" to seperate it from other players x.x
16:26:29JeezuzDid you fail english? O.o
16:26:57gevaertsThere are lots of different players using the gogear brand
16:27:02*gevaerts checks wikipedia
16:27:03bertrikwikipedia says a port is in the works, which means that someone is working on it but does not mean rockbox fully runs on it
16:29:47JeezuzOh well :P
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16:53:41billeniumIs it possible to convert videos to the right form on linux
16:54:00saratogasure, theres mpeg encoders for linux
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16:55:01billeniumI thought it needed to be a special thing... or something...
16:55:19scorche|shit isnt proprietary
16:55:29gevaertsbillenium: which player are you using ?
16:55:32scorche|shjust standard mpeg2 at a certain resolution
16:55:38billeniumiPod Nano
16:56:09gevaertsok, mpeg1 or mpeg2 then. See for more info
16:56:41billeniumhmm this seems different... Was it updated lately?
16:57:14gevaertsThere is a revision history near the bottom of the page
16:57:50billeniumThank you
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17:07:30Azhhi i have a qeustion... you prob get it all the time... but is there any update on the progress of getting passed the encrypted firmware on the ipod 6thgen classic yet?
17:07:58markunAzh: no, still nothing
17:08:19Azhhanging for it
17:08:36markunand yes, we do get that question from time to time
17:08:37Azhany ideas for not having to deal with itunes then?:)
17:08:42Azhi bet
17:08:48fyrestormAzh: foo_pod?
17:08:50gevaertsAzh: The problem seems to be that there are lots of people waiting for it, but nobody actually doing anything
17:08:58fyrestormi dont know if it works with 6th gen though.
17:09:16Azhyeah ppl like me who dont know a thing but want it for nothing anyway:(
17:09:21Azhthanks guys
17:09:40scorche|shfyrestorm: a bit offtopic ;)
17:09:58fyrestorm[11:08] <Azh> any ideas for not having to deal with itunes then?:)
17:10:36Azhwow you guys take topic control seirously huh
17:10:52fyrestormi take the internet srsly.
17:11:06scorche|shfyrestorm: that doesnt mean you have to answer
17:11:21fyrestormjust being helpful
17:11:25Azhyeah... its a little to fickle for me to take it anywhere:)
17:11:48Azhand on that bombshell...
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17:14:09billeniumffmpeg -i ~/Desktop/movie.avi -s 276x128 -vcodec mpeg2video -b 600 -ab 128 -ac [audio channels] -ar 44100 -acodec [audio codec] ~/Desktop/video.mpeg
17:14:15billeniumWhat do i put in the last two?
17:15:45gevaertsbillenium: audio channels is usually 2 (stereo).
17:16:10billeniumand audio codec?
17:16:25gevaertsbillenium: there is a table with recommendations just below that line on the wiki
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17:18:49billeniumOne last newbie question... Should the output be named something.mpeg or something.mpeg2 etc?
17:19:01gevaerts.mpeg or .mpg
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19:28:16soapJdGordon, Well then I guess a round-table needs to be held. I have long been under the impression that we (Rockbox) treaded even the .wps file as copyrighted. I'm willing to go with group consensus, just trying to be consistent.
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21:29:45mcuelenaeregevaerts: do you know something about USB and SoftConnect?
21:31:22gevaertsmcuelenaere: I'm not sure. Is SoftConnect an nxp specific thing ?
21:31:34mcuelenaereno, apparantly not (really)
21:31:41mcuelenaerethe Ingenic chipset has it too
21:31:54mcuelenaere(or they cloned it from NXP, could be; they're Chines after all ;) )
21:32:22*gevaerts is trying to find out what this SoftConnect thing actually does
21:32:30mcuelenaerebut the problem is: I need to find a way to debug, so I though I could use the Softconnect thiny to disconnect and reconnect the USB power
21:32:37mcuelenaerethen Windows will notice this and make some sound
21:32:45mcuelenaere(you know those when you (dis)connect a device)
21:33:01mcuelenaerethen I do this twice or thrice and I know where in my code I am
21:33:28mcuelenaerethis works for the first disconnect, but after that it fails to connect (after a time Windows gives that balloon popup that it failed to recognize the USB device)
21:33:35mcuelenaerecould a USB reset have the same effect?
21:33:58mcuelenaeresoftconnect: Software controlled connection to the USB bus
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21:35:08gevaertsI woudn't be surprised if windows has some logic to detect faulty usb devices that you accidentally trigger this way
21:35:48mcuelenaerebut what happens if you physically disconnect and reconnect a device? does it have to send some EP0SETUP packages or not?
21:35:54mcuelenaerebecause I'm not sure if I have working interrupts
21:36:54gevaertsIt should. You always should get some control transfers to endpoint 0 after a connect
21:38:12mcuelenaerehmm ok then I'll just stick to disconnect
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21:40:19shadoxx << anyone know what the two variables whould be defined as?
21:40:24shadoxxcompiling stops on there
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21:41:27gevaertsshadoxx: which target is that for ? And what configure options did you choose ?
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21:41:54saratogai just benchmarked the libwma and Tremor IMDCTs
21:42:07saratogaand the assembly IMDCT in Tremor is way faster then I realized
21:42:14mcuelenaeregevaerts: is there an easy way to monitor USB resets in Windows?
21:42:17saratoga33% faster then the one in libwma
21:42:34gevaertsmcuelenaere: I don't know
21:42:35stripwaxsaratoga - for arm>
21:42:39saratogathe difference compared to the FAAD one is probably even greater since that one looks absolutely awful
21:42:44saratogayes arm7
21:43:00saratogabut i'd expect it to be true on coldfire too
21:43:18saratogaif WMA used the Tremor IMDCT, it'd be the fastest transform codec
21:43:45saratogarequiring just 29MHz on the PP5024
21:44:40shadoxxgevaerts: it's for arm. i don't know what configure options. lemme go check real quick
21:44:41*soap points saratoga to the GoldenQuotes wiki page. ;)
21:45:00saratogai've said it before
21:45:02saratogai don't use wma
21:45:44soapI think all the work you've done on WMA is wonderful, don't get me wrong. Just a little friendly ribbing.
21:45:51saratogayes I know
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21:46:15markunsaratoga: pretty impressive
21:46:18saratogai took that as you saying I had a clue anyway
21:46:20shadoxxI chose normal build and the tatung platform gevaerts
21:46:44markunsaratoga: do you want to benchmark the one in libaac as well?
21:46:47saratogai think AAC would probably be faster then MP3 if we used the tremor IMDCT too
21:47:01saratogamarkun: no i haven't, but the algorithm is very similar to the one in WMA
21:47:06markunah, ok
21:47:27saratogathe only difference is they use a very complicated FFT which one of the Nero developer's told me is much slower
21:48:06saratogaso i'm assuming they're even slower
21:48:28markunwow :)
21:48:37gevaertsshadoxx: I don't think anyone has touched that build recently, so I wouldn't be surprised if it just doesn't build (or maybe it never built...)
21:48:49markunsaratoga: maybe we should wait untill we can import the ffmpeg aac codec? :)
21:48:56saratogaif you
21:49:01saratoga're volenteering ...
21:49:06shadoxxwell, it looks like i just need to define some variables. I'll look into what types they should be
21:49:34Nico_Psaratoga: what's needed to change the IMDCT used in a codec?
21:49:45saratogaNico_P: not that much actually
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21:50:22saratogamostly just change the fixedmul() and fixedcomplexmul() functions, then rename the one call to imdct() to whatever its called in the other codec
21:50:51saratogaan IMDCT is pretty much just a one line call in all our codecs, so its only the auxillary fixed point functions that need to be changed
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21:51:04saratogathough I haven't tried doing it quite yet, so I could be optimistic
21:51:18Nico_Pare you planning on doing it?
21:51:23saratogafor WMA at least
21:51:29saratogayou're welcome to try FAAD
21:51:44*Nico_P doesn't know anything about codecs
21:52:02saratogaactually, I'm not sure how easy it is to remove the vorbis imdct_backwards implementation now that i think about it
21:52:12saratogai looked at switching the wma one into faad and that was easy
21:52:29saratogabut the vorbis one is strange, i didn't even know math existed to compute an imdct the way they do it
21:52:44saratogaso the data might need rearrangement or something more difficult like that
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21:53:12saratogaanyway, I'm happy enough with fadd
21:53:25saratogai think it'd be an ok codec once the imdct is fixed
21:53:42saratogaits mostly just the MP4 parser that gives us trouble with it I think
21:53:52saratogaand thats home grown, so we have ourselves to blame for that
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21:55:23saratogayou know, if we ever get faad and wma sorted out, its going to make mp3 look really bad
21:55:39saratogai still wonder why its so slow
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22:00:17stripwaxmp3's faster than vorbis though, no?
22:00:49stripwaxor maybe I dreamt that
22:04:26stripwaxyeah, it is (and in fact my stats ;-)
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22:23:38Lloreanstripwax: It looks to me like Vorbis wins except at low bitrates, at least in your test.
22:26:20stripwaxoh yeah. hmm..
22:27:00stripwaxon arm anyway, although 320kbps is probably 'pretty close'
22:27:48LloreanThough MP3 beats Vorbis by a large amount on the Gigabeat F
22:27:53stripwaxi'm poking about to see if we can make use of the extra 32KB iram on 5022/5024 for mp3/tremor
22:28:20stripwaxand somewhat on coldfire too
22:28:48LloreanIt may be that some of the optimizations in one of the codecs aren't always fastest, depending on ARM version?
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22:35:10stripwaxvery likely in fact
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22:36:08stripwaxor just that arm is just less well optimised overall so far
22:37:01saratogai've never really thought about ARM9 optimization, but I'd expect MP3 would do better there because mad does a lot of loads
22:37:09saratogaand those are twice as fast on ARM9
22:37:48saratogawhereas the pure transform codecs operate purely on blocks, so they can use the block memory transfer instructions, which are fast on ARM7
22:39:49saratogaLlorean: those gigabeat F benchmarks are before the fast IMDCT went into Vorbis
22:40:02saratogai don't think anyone has benchmarked the gigabeat since Vorbis was optimized
22:40:15Lloreansaratoga: But they're after stripwax's iPod one, so should be comparable to it at least, right?
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22:43:27saratogaLlorean: vorbis is comparable, but stripwax's ones don't have the mp3 optimizations I think
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22:44:13LloreanSo the ratios between the vorbis and mp3 aren't comparable. Gotcha
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22:58:37merbanansaratoga: what fast IMDCT are you talking about ?
22:59:43saratogamerbanan: someone (Tomas I think) went through the vorbis IMDCT and rewrote it in ARM assembly
22:59:46stripwaxand which mp3 optimisations? anyway, rerunning test on current build w almost no patches
23:00:25saratogastripwax: end of July most of the critical mp3 decoder parts (synthesis, imdct, windowing) were rewritten in arm assembly as well
23:00:41saratogathough i don't htink they were all enabled for the Gigabeat for some reason
23:00:52stripwaxJuly −− ?
23:01:06saratoga11.75 months ago
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23:01:34stripwaxah :) so shortly after that test, understood
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