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| 00:07:48 | mcuelenaere | is memmove necessary for Rockbox to work? |
| 00:09:58 | stripwax | mcuelenaere - as in, does Rockbox currently use it, or could Rockbox have been implemented without the need for it? |
| 00:10:31 | mcuelenaere | as in: I'm trying to get a MIPS target to run in Rockbox, will it need it? |
| 00:11:01 | mcuelenaere | it seems most use for memcpy and memmove the same function on MIPS targets |
| 00:11:41 | stripwax | memmove needs to be able to handle overlapping source and target, but if the mips implementation of memcpy handles that already then you can alias memmove to it |
| 00:12:05 | mcuelenaere | k |
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| 00:24:34 | Preston | heyy |
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| 00:35:54 | Preston | lol |
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| 00:36:38 | Preston | its like potato chips and masturbation |
| 00:37:28 | stripwax | Preston - this doesn't sound like the start of an on-topic conversation... |
| 00:37:45 | Preston | my bad |
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| 00:38:17 | Preston | but ya just cant stop |
| 00:38:45 | stripwax | Lear/preglow - enabling the same iram defines for pp502x as used by coldfire give only a very small speedup - about 0.5 MHz |
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| 00:40:35 | stripwax | Less on average, in fact |
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| 00:46:32 | BilleniumLAPTOP | HEy |
| 00:46:44 | BilleniumLAPTOP | Can someone link me to the mpeg plugin wki? |
| 00:46:48 | BilleniumLAPTOP | wiki* |
| 00:47:04 | * | mcuelenaere has full LCD access on his VX747 :) |
| 00:48:40 | dionoea | BilleniumLAPTOP: can't you use the search box in the wiki? |
| 00:48:44 | BilleniumLAPTOP | yes |
| 00:48:46 | BilleniumLAPTOP | i have searched |
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| 00:48:58 | stripwax | search for 'mpegplayer' |
| 00:49:03 | dionoea | hum, PluginMPEGPlayer should be the page name if i remember correctly |
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| 00:49:25 | dionoea | and congrats to mcuelenaere even though I don't know what that player is :) |
| 00:49:52 | * | stripwax wonders *which bit* of III_decode is slow... |
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| 00:50:42 | stripwax | evidently none of the subroutines, unless they've been inlined .. |
| 00:50:48 | mcuelenaere | dionoae: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OndaVX747 |
| 00:51:24 | dionoea | Touchscreen \o/ |
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| 00:51:43 | * | dionoea 's currently writing a touchscreen paint program for TomTom Go GPS |
| 00:52:01 | stripwax | Someone should port xmerlin for on-screen keyboard ;-) |
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| 00:52:39 | dionoea | hehe, that player looks like an iPod Touch ripoff :) |
| 00:53:10 | mcuelenaere | indeed :) it is Chinese ;) |
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| 00:56:15 | saratoga | stripwax: hadn't realized that changing the lowpass filter in lame actually changed what synth_full did |
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| 00:56:32 | stripwax | yep, looks like it |
| 00:56:43 | saratoga | preglow: the 64 bit multiplies in synth_full aren't a huge deal |
| 00:57:26 | saratoga | they're actually no slower then doing 32 bit multiplies there because they save you 2 cycle for renormalizing back to 4.28 fixed format |
| 00:57:39 | saratoga | i think its slow mostly because synth_full does: |
| 00:57:49 | saratoga | 1) a whole lot of multiplies, and multiplies are really, really slow |
| 00:58:38 | saratoga | 2) the data format seems to involve a lot of random memory reads, so it can't make very effective use of ldm instructions, which means a lot of the loads take 2x as long as they could |
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| 01:33:11 | delorean90 | may i have write permisson to the rockbox wiki? |
| 01:37:23 | * | stripwax has just noticed that asm routines don't seem to get instrumented for profiling - should've realised earlier |
| 01:37:52 | mcuelenaere | delorean90: what's your Wiki name? |
| 01:40:45 | stripwax | gnight |
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| 01:43:55 | delorean90 | JacobWilliams |
| 01:44:16 | * | delorean90 just realized he forgot to enable flashing for this channel |
| 01:44:52 | mcuelenaere | delorean90: what do you want to edit? |
| 01:45:19 | delorean90 | i would like to be able to help keep the sansa view wiki in order as things progress |
| 01:46:26 | mcuelenaere | You're added! Promise not to spam :) |
| 01:46:57 | delorean90 | thank you very much, and i would never spam, i like being a member of rockbox too much :) |
| 01:46:58 | mrkiko | and not ruin the work of others |
| 01:48:10 | delorean90 | id probably be so nerveous of that that i would show what i was writing and make sure its ok he he |
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| 01:52:32 | mrkiko | delorean90<: I don't partecipate to avoid this :) |
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| 01:52:54 | mrkiko | but I think it's good doing so - helping in developing rockbox is good |
| 01:53:24 | delorean90 | ill mostly only edit if im asked to like " i just finsihed geta this datasheet could somebody add it to the wiki" |
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| 02:03:53 | xqtftqx | Whould anybody be intrested in making something for rockbox wich allows icons in indivual files insted of all lined up? |
| 02:05:33 | kushal_12_27_200 | what would I have to do? |
| 02:06:00 | xqtftqx | idk, just help out, some programing experience whould be needed |
| 02:06:30 | delorean90 | what do you mean by incons in individual files? |
| 02:06:33 | delorean90 | *icons |
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| 02:06:49 | xqtftqx | the menu icons |
| 02:07:05 | xqtftqx | they whould have there own files, like "files.bmp database.bmp etc |
| 02:07:14 | delorean90 | well yes, but arent there icons already |
| 02:07:23 | delorean90 | ohh ok |
| 02:07:25 | xqtftqx | yeah but in 1 file |
| 02:07:42 | xqtftqx | making it hard for somebody to make custom icons for a theme |
| 02:10:56 | xqtftqx | anybody know if theres a psd avaible for the cabbie theme? |
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| 02:43:21 | vincenzo | Hi, I'd like to use rockbox... where can I buy a compatible player? |
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| 02:44:03 | delorean90 | one second ill give you the wiki link to the buyers guide |
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| 02:44:30 | delorean90 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide hope this helps :) |
| 02:45:21 | vincenzo | I'd like the sandisk ones, but V2 is unsupported. And the others are no more in production :-( |
| 02:46:36 | delorean90 | sometimes you can find them on ebay and other random stores. the ipod video is being sold on apples site for 179 |
| 02:47:29 | delorean90 | my advice if you really fancy a sansa, is to buy one of thier new ones that already has a "new port" thread in the rockbox forums, and just follow it to see if rockbox gets ported |
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| 02:48:31 | vincenzo | would you personally advice me buying something else? |
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| 02:49:40 | delorean90 | well what do you mean? if you really want rockbox right away, i suggest the video or really any other player supported that you can find. otherwise do some searching around the new ports section of the forums and see which one has the most progress |
| 02:52:56 | delorean90 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view if you take a look at the new ports section those are some of the daps that will almost definitely be ported *eventually* |
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| 02:55:12 | kushal_12_27_200 | you guys at rockbox are great. I am very grateful to you |
| 02:55:22 | kushal_12_27_200 | ttyl |
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| 03:05:26 | lard-Vader | In case no-one has pointed this out, the boxes you make rock. |
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| 03:13:19 | lucent | lard-Vader: I get enough about that in my email spam thanks |
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| 03:15:32 | vincenzo | delorean90: I'd like a player that is "good quality", quite small, and that can run rockbox... I'd like one that is impossible (virtually) to brick... |
| 03:16:04 | xqtftqx | has anybody used winff in linux to convert to rockbox? i get a error "unsported codec..." |
| 03:16:27 | xqtftqx | vincenzo: I whould recomend a gigabeat, that you can find on ebay, or a sansa |
| 03:17:03 | vincenzo | xqtftqx: the sansa (e280v1) is what I would like... |
| 03:17:15 | vincenzo | xqtftqx: How do I make sure I byu a V1? |
| 03:17:41 | xqtftqx | look for "V1" somebody on the box or ebay auction |
| 03:17:50 | xqtftqx | or contact who ever is selling it |
| 03:18:13 | MarcGuay | vincenzo: The only way to know for sure is the firmware version. You'll have to find one second hand and ask the current owner. |
| 03:19:32 | delorean90 | vincenzo, and as long as you always follow instructions, its almost impossible to brinck your supported dap |
| 03:19:39 | delorean90 | *brick |
| 03:20:22 | xqtftqx | "supported" |
| 03:20:59 | vincenzo | Should I chose one from the "new ports" which one is in better shape in your opinion? |
| 03:21:23 | xqtftqx | "new ports" means there in devolpment |
| 03:21:35 | xqtftqx | rockbox runs but isnt ready for the general public |
| 03:21:56 | MarcGuay | vincenzo: The Gigabeat S is making good progress... The D2 as well, but still a lot of work before it's functional... I wouldn't recommend any of them if you want a sure thing. |
| 03:22:20 | delorean90 | only chose a dap from that list if your prepared to wait a bit for support |
| 03:22:43 | xqtftqx | Gigabeat S is going realy nice, i think all we need is a manual and bug fixes |
| 03:22:52 | MarcGuay | vincenzo: And even then, there's no guarantee they're even be finished. |
| 03:23:00 | MarcGuay | *even=ever |
| 03:23:09 | MarcGuay | *they're=they'll |
| 03:23:21 | xqtftqx | its a 99.9% chance they will be |
| 03:23:27 | * | MarcGuay should quit while he's ahead. |
| 03:23:28 | xqtftqx | ah lets say 98 |
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| 03:24:05 | MarcGuay | vincenzo: If you buy one and it's never finished, remember this name: xqtftqx (very memorable). :) |
| 03:24:27 | * | delorean90 hopes for a port to the view |
| 03:24:31 | xqtftqx | :) |
| 03:24:47 | vincenzo | I can understand that... as a (very minor) KDE contributor I know how OSS developement goes :-) |
| 03:25:32 | xqtftqx | Grrr, i cant convert a video in linux! |
| 03:26:19 | MarcGuay | vincenzo: If you have access to eBay you can still find Gigabeat Fs, e200s, c200s, iriver h100/h300s... iAudio's have gotten very pricey but show up now and again... |
| 03:26:19 | xqtftqx | ah, ill use windows :( |
| 03:26:25 | vincenzo | But if rockbox does somehow work (and not brick it) I could always get involved in improving (2% of chance I have enaught time) |
| 03:27:24 | xqtftqx | vincenzo: No worrys in bricking |
| 03:27:47 | vincenzo | I think I'll eventually go for the e280vx... |
| 03:27:54 | xqtftqx | Good Choice |
| 03:28:01 | * | delorean90 thinks back to when the iriverh10 was first ported and smiles |
| 03:28:46 | vincenzo | maybe I'll try on pixmania or ebay. If I get a v2 (I'll delay the rockbox adoption:-(((( ) |
| 03:29:19 | vincenzo | Does v2 read SDHC at least? |
| 03:29:26 | vincenzo | I fear not ! |
| 03:29:50 | vincenzo | s/I fear not !/I fear it won't/ |
| 03:30:24 | advcomp2019 | vincenzo, yea the v2 can read sdhc should but this was getting off topic |
| 03:31:05 | vincenzo | advcomp2019: :-) fair enaught :-) |
| 03:31:43 | vincenzo | How many people are involved (if you know them) in v2 porting? |
| 03:32:04 | vincenzo | I'm just reading trught the forum. |
| 03:32:09 | delorean90 | vincenzo, if you would like to discuss more about daps feel free to join us on the #rockbox-community channel |
| 03:33:06 | saratoga | i think theres a couple people interestd in the V2, but there isn't really any porting yet |
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| 03:51:01 | lucent | xqtftqx: the commandline arguments to convert video using ffmpeg or mencoder are something of a magical artform, the way I look at it |
| 03:51:45 | lucent | each (interface) links to many different video codec libraries, with their own arguments |
| 03:51:52 | lucent | and no help feedback system |
| 03:52:24 | lucent | there is never -avcfopts audio=help |
| 03:52:41 | lucent | instead the man page says "see xyz project source code for details" |
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| 04:04:21 | MarcGuay | rasher, or someone else with the knowhow: Could you refresh the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualFixmes wiki page or teach me how to do it myself? |
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| 04:28:27 | MarcGuay | Anyone with an iPod around? |
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| 04:29:16 | ivor | Would someone please grant me wiki write permissions? wikiname is JasonTerhune |
| 04:29:53 | MarcGuay | ivor: Mind if I ask what you plan to change? Just curious... |
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| 04:30:20 | ivor | sure Marc, I have a WPS update to upload |
| 04:30:58 | MarcGuay | ivor: Alrighty. Is the copyrtight license safe & sound? |
| 04:31:04 | MarcGuay | *copyright |
| 04:31:50 | ivor | yeah, I updated an existing WPS |
| 04:31:54 | ivor | creative commons, share alike |
| 04:32:07 | ivor | It's the Ultima theme |
| 04:32:10 | MarcGuay | ivor: Excellent. You're ready to roll... |
| 04:32:15 | ivor | Great, thanks! |
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| 04:36:44 | MarcGuay | I'm looking for people with ipods (any model) or Archos players to test the A-B repeat keypresses, specifically the keys to set the A/B points and reset the markers. |
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| 05:07:26 | MarcGuay | Continuing the request above, information for the X5/M5 would also be helpful. |
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| 05:11:30 | JdGordon|uni | MarcGuay: hey, you could use the sims to check them... they are "close enough" |
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| 05:35:55 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: Thanks man, I always forget about them... |
| 05:41:46 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: Hmm. I can't seem to find the place in gwps.c where targets without a ACTION_WPS_ABSETB_NEXTDIR call the ab_set_A/B_marker. On the Nano select does this but I can't find it anywhere... |
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| 05:53:08 | MarcGuay | It would be helpful if these things were all in the same place, though I understand that targets are different and code is hard to maintain. It's frustrating for people trying to get into it to get roadblocked like this. Not pointing any fingers as I wouldn't have a clue where to point em, just sayin' is all. |
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| 06:11:55 | JdGordon | MarcGuay: yep.. thats definatly a problem :p |
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| 06:13:16 | JdGordon | MarcGuay: hmm... your recent commit seems to have unrelated changes to the message? |
| 06:13:23 | Llorean | Isn't that more because a lot of the cold is just old, and hasn't been adapted to being more centralized? |
| 06:14:43 | JdGordon | yeah, no.. i was agreeing with MarcGuay there.. not saying that the code has bugs... |
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| 06:16:14 | x30 | hello? |
| 06:16:27 | JdGordon | bon jour! |
| 06:16:35 | JdGordon | ohayo gozaiymas |
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| 06:16:40 | JdGordon | shalom |
| 06:16:46 | JdGordon | asalam alekem |
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| 06:17:04 | x30 | ah.. I can speak english |
| 06:17:41 | x30 | whatever... is there anyone who knows what the rescue mode is? |
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| 06:18:06 | x30 | my gigabeat X30 with rockbox has freezed since I put the gbsystem folder on it |
| 06:19:20 | x30 | in addition it isn't recognized on PC when I connect gigabeat with usb |
| 06:19:20 | lucent | x30: hi, I don't know. the Gigabeat dev goes by "xqtftqx" I think |
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| 06:20:10 | x30 | hmm.. then do you know what the rescue mode is? I don't know exactly |
| 06:20:30 | lucent | no, actually I don't have a player capable of rockbox |
| 06:20:44 | lucent | I can't try it out like I would want to and give you an answer from experience |
| 06:21:16 | x30 | ah.. ok thanks whatever :) |
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| 06:21:40 | Llorean | lucent: xqtftqx isn't a dev... |
| 06:21:48 | lucent | agh, my mistake |
| 06:21:58 | lucent | Llorean: what was the correct answer? |
| 06:22:26 | Llorean | There aren't really player-specific devs. |
| 06:22:38 | Llorean | Most devs have done work on many specific players. |
| 06:22:57 | Llorean | Generally only early on is there a dev or a few devs specific to any given player, but that's just when the port is very new. |
| 06:23:41 | lucent | I'm still searching for a hardware device to run rockbox on |
| 06:23:45 | Llorean | As for the Gigabeat X, it's only a nominally supported target. It _should_ work, but we don't actually have any regular dev who owns one, so nobody can really perform regular testing, or tweaks for its few differences from the Gigabeat F |
| 06:23:56 | Llorean | lucent: Seen the BuyersGuide page in the wiki? |
| 06:24:25 | lucent | it sounds kind of risky though, like v1 / v2 |
| 06:24:55 | lucent | there's nothing in production |
| 06:26:01 | Llorean | Risky? |
| 06:26:08 | Llorean | The v1/v2 issue is only with the Sandisk players we support |
| 06:26:13 | Llorean | Everything else is pretty explicit. |
| 06:26:44 | lucent | well, the iPods too. which Gen, not all sellers know this 2nd hand |
| 06:28:28 | lucent | sansa e200v1 looks nice, wish I could find one for sale and know it would be a v1 :) |
| 06:28:39 | Llorean | It's really, really easy to tell the difference between iPod gens. |
| 06:33:56 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: Yeah I goofed on the commit with unrelated changes and got some tips on how to avoid it in the future. |
| 06:34:30 | JdGordon | ok :) |
| 06:34:55 | MarcGuay | Anyone with thoughts on where the ipod/x5/m5 A-B repeat code is hiding? |
| 06:36:23 | Llorean | Have you tried to grep for it? |
| 06:37:17 | MarcGuay | Yeahm grep is my new best friend. No dice, at least for the WPS_ABRESET button.. I should try with the actual function, though... |
| 06:37:35 | Llorean | Probably a better bet |
| 06:38:49 | MarcGuay | No, I tried that too. It only exists in gwps.c and abrepeat.c/h |
| 06:39:47 | MarcGuay | I have a feeling it's coded in a different way. They use a 1st select = set A, 2nd select = set b, 3rd select = reset, unlike the combos for other targets. |
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| 06:40:17 | MarcGuay | I suppose I could just throw it in the manual after testing on the sims but now this is bugging me... |
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| 06:42:15 | Llorean | MarcGuay: You could just check the "since 2.5" page, and look for mention of "repeat" or "a-b repeat" on it, and look for one that either touches other files, or also mentions iPod |
| 06:42:16 | MarcGuay | ... And I couldn't find any info for the Archos player.. |
| 06:42:44 | lucent | wow, off-topic... how does a company end up with a $10,000usd audio player? http://www.thenerds.net/HEWLETT_PACKARD.Cowon_Systems_iAUDIO_X5L_30GB_Digital_Multimedia_Device.A7535A.html?affid=8&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=A7535A^~^HEWLETT-PACKARD |
| 06:42:44 | MarcGuay | Llorean: Thanks for the tip. |
| 06:43:03 | lucent | must be a database problem |
| 06:43:10 | Llorean | MarcGuay: It's not the most efficient thing ever, but it might work. |
| 06:43:22 | JdGordon | MarcGuay: ok, not busy anymore.. what you looking for? |
| 06:43:38 | Llorean | lucent: Please, stay on-topic in here. There's a channel specifically for off-topic stuff. This one's logged, and we like to keep them focused. |
| 06:43:40 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: Read back a bit. |
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| 06:44:07 | JdGordon | do those targets have ACTION_WPSAB_SINGLE defined? |
| 06:44:15 | lucent | Llorean: thank you, I'll make myself scarce. :) |
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| 06:45:22 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: I can't find it in keymap-ipod.c |
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| 06:46:11 | JdGordon | MarcGuay: ok, yes they do... its in the config files for ipod, miezu m6, x5/m5/m3.... in a-b mode the first press of the browse button sets A, then B, then resets... |
| 06:46:19 | JdGordon | lines 241-261 in gwps.c |
| 06:47:00 | JdGordon | no mention of the archos players though |
| 06:47:35 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: Arg. No wonder it was so hard to find, it resets the button instead of calling the function by name... Thanks hombre... |
| 06:48:35 | * | MarcGuay ponders a way to bring those things closer together.. |
| 06:48:59 | JdGordon | na, its fine as it is |
| 06:49:04 | JdGordon | s/as/how |
| 06:50:07 | MarcGuay | You think? It's a mess to me. |
| 06:50:41 | JdGordon | oh I agreee its a mess.... I just think its fine being a mess.... |
| 06:50:45 | MarcGuay | Granted, I can't think of another way to do it.. :) |
| 06:51:15 | MarcGuay | You can't define the button twice for the same context so it has to be done elsewhere. |
| 06:52:15 | MarcGuay | So any ideas on how the player sets the A/B points? |
| 06:52:32 | JdGordon | does the player even have a-b mode? |
| 06:52:59 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: It does on the sim. |
| 06:53:44 | JdGordon | " You can't define the button twice for the same context so it has to be done elsewhere." ?? |
| 06:54:43 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: Or maybe you can? Could ACTION_WPSAB_SINGLE be moved from the configs to the keymaps where it makes more sense? |
| 06:55:28 | JdGordon | oh, woops, now I get you... yes, the same button cant return 2 different actions |
| 06:55:28 | MarcGuay | I think I'm confused, ignore me. |
| 06:56:24 | JdGordon | and yep, I cant see how to set a/b points on the player either |
| 06:56:45 | MarcGuay | So the player remains a mystery. Hopefully someone will read this in the logs and send out a bat-signal. |
| 06:56:56 | JdGordon | dont expted it... |
| 06:57:01 | JdGordon | expect |
| 06:57:46 | MarcGuay | Wash, Rinse, Repeat. Gotcha. |
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| 07:33:42 | mrkiko | Hi all! |
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| 07:38:14 | JdGordon | MarcGuay: lol |
| 07:38:28 | JdGordon | also, that note is in action.h also... |
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| 07:57:32 | amiconn | JdGordon: Hmm, looks like the player does have ab repeat enabled, but it's not usable because it's not mapped |
| 07:58:03 | * | amiconn wonders how that single mode works on iaudios and ipods |
| 07:58:08 | JdGordon | yep, we figured that out... |
| 07:58:12 | * | amiconn never used ab repeat so far |
| 07:58:22 | * | JdGordon neither |
| 07:58:26 | JdGordon | other than testing |
| 07:58:48 | amiconn | ab repeat buttons for the player could be mapped (as combos) btw - I just don't know yet how to map the reset |
| 07:58:50 | JdGordon | does ondio still not have a-b also because there is no buttons for it? |
| 07:58:57 | amiconn | correct |
| 07:59:08 | amiconn | But it could also use the single mode if that works |
| 07:59:21 | JdGordon | it should work |
| 07:59:28 | JdGordon | havnt heard any complaints about it |
| 07:59:33 | amiconn | On Player, ON+LEFT and ON+RIGHT aren't taken yet in the wps |
| 07:59:54 | JdGordon | player doesnt have dirskip also? |
| 07:59:54 | amiconn | But single mode may be better, as cobs are nasty one-handed |
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| 08:00:29 | amiconn | Umm, I don't know |
| 08:00:37 | amiconn | Another feature I never use |
| 08:00:56 | amiconn | But I think it should, as it doesn't need extra button mappings |
| 08:02:02 | amiconn | s/cobs/combos/ |
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| 08:13:28 | Buschel | stripwax/preglow/saratoga: (for the logs) the synth (dct32+synthfull) might be faster on mp3-96kbps because of several subband being zero'ed. through this you'll have more muls with 0 at least in the dct and smaller coefficients (less energy) in synthfull. |
| 08:14:53 | Buschel | the same should happen in the entropy coding and requantization. additionally there should be lots of intesitiy stereo coding which saves a channel in the upper bands −− at least in the entropy cding |
| 08:16:01 | Buschel | btw, some days ago I've merged the libmad dct into mpc. compiling the C-version of dct32 is a bit faster than the asm-version on PP5022 |
| 08:16:51 | Buschel | C-version compiled with -O1 is about 0.8MHz faster than the asm'ed version |
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| 08:18:26 | Buschel | the libmad c-dct is faster than mpc's dct, but mpc's dct is faster than libmad's asm-dct |
| 08:19:42 | Buschel | i'll try to make a fine and proper merge (without any additionally interfacing code like resorting afterwards, etc.) of libmad's c-dct into mpc. |
| 08:19:55 | amiconn | Eh? |
| 08:20:14 | amiconn | The asm dct for libmad was clearly faster than the C version when it was added |
| 08:20:16 | Buschel | libmad's c-dct has a big advantage over mpc's one -> it is far less sensitive to internal overflows |
| 08:21:48 | Buschel | amiconn: from what i've read (as far as i remember in the fs-entry) the asm'ed version was claimed to faster on some processors because it was much smaller code, but not optimized for performance in terms of operations |
| 08:22:05 | Buschel | *claimed to be... |
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| 08:24:32 | amiconn | Buschel: tomal wrote it, in order to get libmad realtime on iFP (which is only 60MHz ARM7TDMI) |
| 08:24:57 | Buschel | amiconn: check out fs#6705 |
| 08:25:34 | Buschel | "smaller in iram but worse in terms of executed instructions" |
| 08:26:12 | Buschel | at least I should check it with -O1 on my PP |
| 08:28:08 | amiconn | Aha, but the tests all show that the asm version is faster |
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| 08:31:28 | Buschel | amiconn: the patch changed synh_full + dct32. i can see no test result for the dct32-part only... |
| 08:31:34 | * | Buschel gotta go to work now |
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| 08:48:51 | amiconn | JdGordon: I just tried AB repeat in single button mode on the Player. It's working nicely (but you don't get feedback for the first press... something that can be fixed later) |
| 08:49:07 | amiconn | I'll try AB repeat on Ondio in single button mode too, then commit |
| 08:49:39 | JdGordon | ok, cool |
| 08:49:48 | JdGordon | fix the manual while your at it.. :D |
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| 09:12:35 | pixelma | amiconn, JdGordon: I remember the AB-repeat was left disabled on Ondios because it added like 1k something bytes to the binary and broke rombox at that time. Also I think I remember that resetting the markes didn't work because it was mapped to a double press of mode but the single press is already mapped (return to file browser) |
| 09:12:46 | pixelma | rombox on OndioFM that was |
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| 09:13:52 | JdGordon | ok, well its up to you if you want it reenabled... I dont tihnk anyone else uses ondio :p |
| 09:14:04 | pixelma | pf |
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| 09:14:53 | JdGordon | hey B4gder, any idea why j.jdgordon.info isnt being used? I did a reinstall a few days ago but have the rbclient setup again and it should be workling |
| 09:15:37 | B4gder | I'll check |
| 09:16:10 | B4gder | ah new key |
| 09:16:49 | * | GodEater thinks godeater.dyndns.org should be fine to work as a server again now too |
| 09:17:21 | JdGordon | ah, thought that might be the case... where can i get the new key from? |
| 09:17:37 | GodEater | JdGordon: it's *your* new key that's the problem I suspect |
| 09:17:43 | GodEater | not one you need from B4gder |
| 09:17:46 | B4gder | yes |
| 09:17:51 | B4gder | fixed now |
| 09:18:14 | * | JdGordon is a dill |
| 09:18:17 | JdGordon | ok, cool |
| 09:21:19 | amiconn | pixelma: No double presses involved. AB repeat in single button mode just cycles through the operations (set A, set B, reset markers) |
| 09:21:54 | amiconn | When enabled, it removes the ability to directly enter the browser, but that's a tradeoff. The browser is still reachable via the menu |
| 09:22:10 | amiconn | That applies to all targets with AB repeat in single button mode, not just Ondio |
| 09:24:16 | pixelma | hmm, then I remembered wrong |
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| 09:27:16 | GodEater | oops |
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| 09:27:35 | JdGordon | amiconn: the feeling there is that if your in a-b mode you wouldnt need the browser... |
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| 09:56:04 | safetydan | hrm, is a single line fix worth an addition to the credits file? |
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| 10:00:23 | safetydan | B4gder, I agree. Especially since there's investigation time as well for finding the fix. |
| 10:00:46 | B4gder | yes, very true |
| 10:02:13 | * | GodEater seems to recall he got into CREDITS based on about four lines of rather trivial code added to ipodpatcher |
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| 10:08:50 | * | B4gder recalls being the one who wrote and added the first CREDITS list ;) |
| 10:09:42 | GodEater | that's definitely a trivial way to get into it ;) |
| 10:10:27 | B4gder | yeah, rather lame I agree ;-) |
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| 10:19:53 | JdGordon | still no j.jdgordon.info? :( |
| 10:21:07 | B4gder | "svn: Working copy '.' locked" |
| 10:21:09 | B4gder | me fix |
| 10:21:31 | JdGordon | hehe.. i heard the disk clicking away and thought you started another build |
| 10:21:46 | * | JdGordon wonders why it was locked? |
| 10:22:09 | B4gder | that happens at times when it gets interrupted etc |
| 10:22:48 | petur | I used to have that with cygwin, never seen it under linux |
| 10:23:38 | B4gder | I've also seen it happen when you try to svn up the same repo from multiple processes... |
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| 10:27:20 | markun | B4gder: the git repo works really nice, but do you know a nice way for me to commit something? |
| 10:27:41 | B4gder | no... |
| 10:28:15 | markun | I hope that after a "git pull" I wouldn't have to do a "git svn rebase" |
| 10:28:27 | markun | hoped |
| 10:29:02 | B4gder | I don't know much git stuff, I just made the mirror thing work with the help of others' instructions |
| 10:29:26 | Nico_P | B4gder: have you found out how to make it accessible via HTTP? |
| 10:30:19 | B4gder | no, I was away during the weekend and was dead tired yday night so I haven't really attacked that yet |
| 10:31:58 | Nico_P | ok |
| 10:32:04 | Nico_P | no rush anyway |
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| 11:22:49 | B4gder | mcuelenaere: ah right, the thread stuff in the kernel needs some mips attention |
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| 11:24:30 | mcuelenaere | B4gder: indeed, and it isn't that easy as I'm not really familiar with MIPS |
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| 11:25:17 | B4gder | I can't say that I am either, even though I actally own a mips book and have poked a bit on mips before... |
| 11:25:52 | mcuelenaere | well at least you can verify my code :) |
| 11:27:34 | mrkiko | The r17951 release crashe already three times since I installed it :) |
| 11:28:14 | mrkiko | but the third time, pressing play the playter rebooted |
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| 11:29:40 | mcuelenaere | is there a way to build a bootloader build with threading disabled? |
| 11:30:27 | B4gder | I don't know |
| 11:30:46 | mcuelenaere | ok, then I'll just comment it out in SOURCES |
| 11:37:23 | mcuelenaere | does Rockbox normally need includes from not within itself i.e. /usr/lib/gcc/mipsel-linux-gnu/4.2.4/include/.. ? |
| 11:39:04 | * | mrkiko thinks not |
| 11:39:54 | mcuelenaere | does a compiler set include paths itself and if so, how do I unset them? |
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| 11:43:00 | * | JdGordon wonders if he remembers any mips from first year uni... |
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| 11:52:51 | * | mcuelenaere wonders why GCC has a limits.h in it's include path which includes <limits.h> but can't find it.. |
| 11:53:17 | mrkiko | it seems strange |
| 11:54:13 | mcuelenaere | probably whenever a file is included, it can't be included again in the same gcc process |
| 11:54:38 | mcuelenaere | but apparantly this file does want to include a file with the same name as itself |
| 11:55:37 | mrkiko | but distinctions are made between paths |
| 11:55:53 | mrkiko | a/something.h can include b/something.h |
| 11:56:03 | mrkiko | even if they are something.h |
| 11:56:11 | gevaerts | a file can include itself if it wants to |
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| 11:57:00 | mcuelenaere | weird |
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| 11:57:27 | mcuelenaere | http://imagebin.ca/view/zzZCzTkr.html and http://imagebin.ca/view/Nw8KGo4.html are what I get |
| 11:59:47 | mcuelenaere | does anyone have a clue? |
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| 12:00:52 | Lear | Anyone know how accurate the PC is for a data abort exception on ARM? |
| 12:03:32 | mcuelenaere | which program sets up sysfont.h? |
| 12:05:16 | JdGordon | make |
| 12:06:31 | mcuelenaere | I meant the actual program, I believe make just calls it? |
| 12:08:07 | JdGordon | sorry, yeah |
| 12:09:54 | JdGordon | convdbf |
| 12:10:02 | JdGordon | $(BUILDDIR)/sysfont.h: ../fonts/rockbox_default.bdf |
| 12:10:02 | JdGordon | $(call PRINTS,Create sysfont.h)$(TOOLSDIR)/convbdf -h -o $@ $< |
| 12:10:15 | JdGordon | in frimware/Makefile |
| 12:10:25 | mcuelenaere | thanks, I was looking build/Makefile |
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| 12:17:21 | mcuelenaere | is there a special option to set for making sysfont.h? |
| 12:18:12 | B4gder | use make V=1 to see the full command lines |
| 12:18:29 | mcuelenaere | thanks |
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| 12:21:45 | mcuelenaere | it just omits the creating of sysfont.h for some reason . |
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| 12:38:57 | markun | mcuelenaere: the sysfont.h error is usually because of something else |
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| 13:00:14 | mrkiko | mcuelenaere, markun said for you "the sysfont.h error is usually because of something else" |
| 13:00:22 | mrkiko | I told you so cause I saw you disconnected |
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| 13:03:27 | markun | mcuelenaere: try this: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/tools/makesrc.inc?r1=16846&r2=17819&diff_format=u |
| 13:03:54 | markun | maybe it will tell you where the real problem is |
| 13:04:55 | B4gder | yes, that error is usually a sign of SOURCES having a file mentioned that doesn't exist |
| 13:05:31 | B4gder | annoying that we have no better way to detect that yet |
| 13:08:51 | JdGordon | atm, the ata callbacks are called every 3 sec on flash targets... does anyone have objections with changing that to somwhere between 60 and 120s (or higher even?) |
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| 13:09:13 | JdGordon | Nico_P: that would make it work with buffering more nicely yeah? |
| 13:10:05 | Nico_P | JdGordon: buffering doesn't use the callback ATM, but it would probably be better for when we start using it again, yeah |
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| 13:17:41 | mcuelenaere | markun, B4gder: thanks |
| 13:18:30 | JdGordon | has anyone had any crashes when pressing a button with the backlight off recently? |
| 13:18:58 | GodEater | nope |
| 13:19:43 | JdGordon | did you ever have that problem? |
| 13:19:50 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon: are you talking about the D2? |
| 13:19:59 | JdGordon | no, in general |
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| 13:20:06 | mcuelenaere | ah no, never mind then |
| 13:20:27 | JdGordon | 7655... but I've had in on my e200, but AGES ago... |
| 13:21:57 | mcuelenaere | is it possible to set #error or #warning in SOURCES? |
| 13:23:46 | B4gder | yes, but I don't think you'll see that output thoughe |
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| 13:26:24 | JdGordon | B4gder: out of curiosity... about how many have been nominated (and acepted) for the rsb? |
| 13:26:47 | B4gder | we're at ~10 accepted |
| 13:27:16 | JdGordon | ok |
| 13:27:49 | Lear | Nico_P: Should fill_buffer lock the list mutex somehow? |
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| 13:30:01 | JdGordon | anyone want to check the polish lang update? or should i just commit? |
| 13:30:25 | Nico_P | Lear: IIRC, no, but let me check |
| 13:36:05 | markun | JdGordon: I also wonder about that all the time. Should we have committers who speak the languages? |
| 13:36:13 | Nico_P | Lear: the mutex is intended to protect the state of the linked list... fill_buffer doesn't do much on it |
| 13:36:50 | markun | I was happy that TiMiD committed the Japanese file, since there was some confusion. |
| 13:37:46 | markun | (2 translations and one guy who keeps interfering with langauges he doesn't speak) |
| 13:38:06 | JdGordon | markun: yeah, would be nice if commiters would look out for langs they speak |
| 13:38:11 | JdGordon | and yes, that guy was bloody annoying |
| 13:38:14 | Lear | Nico_P: It does iterate over it, while calling code that could yield. Not too different from when loading album art? |
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| 13:39:33 | Lear | Thing is, under very specific circumstances, I get data aborts in buffering.c... |
| 13:41:57 | Nico_P | what kind of circumstances? |
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| 13:47:59 | Lear | Too long to tell, almost. :) On e200, when resuming (or playing?) certain tracks using album art and dircache (never without dircache). |
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| 13:49:29 | Nico_P | have you every tried it on the sim? also, have you traced the data abort to a particular function? |
| 13:51:30 | Lear | Never seen it in the sim, but I haven't tried all that much. Exact function can vary between builds at least, but I've now had two different aborts (in different functions), both caused by a bad next pointer. |
| 13:53:36 | Lear | No, same function, but different place within it. |
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| 13:56:51 | Nico_P | hmm |
| 13:57:05 | Nico_P | you're probably right about the need for the mutex |
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| 14:01:11 | Lear | Tried adding a call to find_handle after buffer_handle (in fill_buffer), but that only changed when the data abort happened. |
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| 14:47:31 | MarcGuay | rasher: Thanks for updating the fixme's page. |
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| 15:07:04 | webguest46 | I've been trying to find out if there have been any projects started at developing rockbox for a Zune player. I haven't found any mention of the idea anywhere and am very curious of the possiblity. Any info would be appreciated. |
| 15:07:50 | desowin | there was quite a lot people saying about that, but no code I know of showed up |
| 15:07:52 | GodEater | webguest46: you can't have looked too hard, I'm sure there's a thread in the NewPorts section on the forums, let me go find it |
| 15:08:38 | GodEater | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6848.0 |
| 15:08:58 | webguest46 | TYTY.... i guess i missed it.... |
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| 15:27:24 | MarcGuay | What's difference between the X5V and the X5? Is this something your average user can tell without further guidance? |
| 15:28:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | IIRC the X5V doesn't have the FM radio. |
| 15:29:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | I don't know if there's an easy way to tell on the outside, though. |
| 15:29:38 | MarcGuay | I'm wondering if "Use the x5v_fw.bin file if your player is a X5V. If it is a X5, use the x5_fw.bin file." in the installation instructions is sufficient... |
| 15:30:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | Personally, I'm certain that the owners of the device should know exactly which model they have. But I don't own an iAUDIO X5, so I can't really say for sure. |
| 15:30:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm *assuming* that "X5V" must be printed on the back of the device, as Cowon did that with the X5L. |
| 15:31:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | You could change it slightly to read "If it is an X5 or X5L, use the x5_fw.bin file", though. |
| 15:37:51 | MarcGuay | Does the iAudio firmware actually get erased when rockbox is installed or can the bootloader just not point towards it? |
| 15:38:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think the bootloader simply doesn't point to it. |
| 15:38:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | But I think we should consult an X5 dev on this. |
| 15:38:43 | MarcGuay | The manual says " It replaces the original firmware", which seems wrong... |
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| 15:39:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | Well, I do know for a fact that the X5 officially does not dual boot. |
| 15:39:27 | * | LambdaCalculus37 casts the "Summon an X5 dev" spell |
| 15:39:39 | MarcGuay | I think it means to say "The bootloader replaces the OF in the boot sequence with Rockbox." |
| 15:40:01 | * | MarcGuay isn't convinced that's any clearer. |
| 15:40:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: But it gets the idea across better. |
| 15:40:28 | MarcGuay | If it's true. :) Guess I'll wait... |
| 15:40:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | Actually, no... scratch that. |
| 15:41:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | Like I said, the X5 doesn't dual boot. Ditto the Gigabeat F. So in those cases, Rockbox is pretty much replacing the firmware. |
| 15:44:00 | MarcGuay | I think I understand now - Because the device has a hardware bootloader, the rockbox bootloader is written over the OF. |
| 15:47:01 | MarcGuay | Is there a reason there's no advice on how to backup the OF in the X5/M5 instructions before overwriting it, as is done for the Gigabeat? |
| 15:48:26 | petur | I thought there was a new, working dual-boot loader for x5? |
| 15:48:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: The biggest reason why it's done for the Gigabeat is because the firmware actually resides on the hard drive, so if you ever want to go back, you should have an unaltered backup of the OF. |
| 15:49:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | petur: There was a patch on Flyspray, but I never saw word of an official one. |
| 15:49:51 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: The instructions for the iAudio suggest that you go to their website and download the firmware again to uninstall. Kind of weak, no? |
| 15:50:08 | MarcGuay | petur: No clue on that, just going by what I've read. |
| 15:50:15 | petur | I was told on devcon that the new one was looking great and could be made official after enough testing |
| 15:50:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Agreed. |
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| 15:51:35 | MarcGuay | I feel like I'm stumbling around in the dark here. |
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| 15:52:51 | MarcGuay | If no one speaks up I'm going to reword it to "The Rockbox bootloader overwrites the original firmware, making it impossible to dual-boot." and move on... |
| 15:53:25 | n1s | MarcGuay: IIUC you simply can not back up the iaudio firmware as there is no way to get it from the flash |
| 15:54:12 | MarcGuay | n1s: Nice, thank you... And we can't provide a copy of it because of copyright? |
| 15:54:21 | n1s | i guess so... |
| 15:55:38 | n1s | Ok, so one week with 0 useful comments in the tracker should mean no one objects to me committing keybox, right (I will of course provide a manual update) |
| 15:55:51 | n1s | ? |
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| 15:57:17 | * | JdGordon objects! |
| 15:57:35 | JdGordon | you cant go round commiting stuff with manual updates! |
| 15:57:40 | JdGordon | its just not done! |
| 15:57:45 | JdGordon | think of the children!!! |
| 15:58:26 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: Your horns are showing. |
| 15:58:45 | * | LambdaCalculus37 files off JdGordon's horns |
| 15:58:46 | JdGordon | \M/ o_0 \M/ |
| 15:59:56 | * | n1s interprets JdGordon's reply as: "please go ahead" :) |
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| 16:02:23 | MarcGuay | What's the story with recording on the ipods again? |
| 16:02:48 | n1s | playback will crash/do bad things if you try to start it after recording |
| 16:03:02 | JdGordon | not on all of them though |
| 16:03:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | It does break things on the iPod video and 4G color. |
| 16:03:48 | MarcGuay | But they *can* record? I don't recall seeing the menu on the nano (don't have it with me). |
| 16:04:11 | JdGordon | they need an adaptor for the dock dont they? |
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| 16:04:32 | MarcGuay | JdGordon: That's it, thanks. |
| 16:04:46 | JdGordon | dont take my word for it though... |
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| 16:05:01 | n1s | but the nano can't record because the dac doesn't support it |
| 16:05:12 | n1s | (iirc) |
| 16:05:46 | n1s | umm, ignore me |
| 16:06:01 | JdGordon | ... was about to say.. not according to its config |
| 16:06:03 | JdGordon | .h |
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| 16:06:44 | n1s | i mixed it up with some other target, possibly the mini |
| 16:07:15 | MarcGuay | Okay, I give up for today... If anyone wants to check it out I was trying to fix up the recording keymaps in the ipods w/ recording manuals. |
| 16:09:03 | preglow | great, another *box plugin |
| 16:09:39 | JdGordon | at least it is a "box" |
| 16:17:23 | GodEater | has jhMikes been in recently ? |
| 16:19:24 | n1s | Bagder: build seems to have stuck :/ |
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| 16:34:38 | WakeUpWolfgang | i have a question |
| 16:35:09 | WakeUpWolfgang | how can i get videos on my ipod nano |
| 16:36:17 | GodEater | copy them there ? |
| 16:36:24 | PaulJam | WakeUpWolfgang: convert them to the correct format (see PluginMPEGPlayer wiki page) and copy them somewhere on your player. |
| 16:36:28 | GodEater | assuming you have them in the right format |
| 16:37:33 | WakeUpWolfgang | ok thanks this is my frist time useing rockbox |
| 16:39:17 | PaulJam | sorry, the page is named "PluginMpegplayer" |
| 16:42:07 | Lear | Nico_P: How is shrink_buffer supposed to work, really? :) |
| 16:43:22 | Lear | Looks kind of dangerous to me, especially with it first "buffering up" memory handles, and then start moving them about... |
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| 16:44:20 | Nico_P | you mean in the Q_START_FILL event? |
| 16:46:52 | Nico_P | the shrinkage happens before the buffering is done |
| 16:47:35 | Nico_P | though I'm tired so I might be misreading the code |
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| 16:55:16 | Lear | So that's the code responsible for freeing up old data, to make room for new stuff? |
| 16:57:49 | Lear | If I disable that code (maybe a bad idea as such), I can't reproduce the data aborts... |
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| 17:09:44 | Nico_P | Lear: interesting... and yes that code frees up old data |
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| 17:14:50 | MarcGuay | The 3rd and 4th gen ipods can only record through the dock, correct? Apple never produced a unit with recording built-in, did they? |
| 17:16:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nope, they never did. |
| 17:16:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | All the recording methods for the iPod (that I've seen) have all been third-party. |
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| 17:18:43 | PaulJam | i thought there was one generation that allowed recording through the headphone socket. |
| 17:18:49 | GodEater | 3rd |
| 17:18:53 | GodEater | 3rd gen allowed it |
| 17:19:03 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Thanks.. though it looks like they sold a microphone that went in through the headphone jack... http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303100 |
| 17:19:04 | Lear | Nico_P: It seems like the problem is that if the bufopen for album art is called too quickly after the bufopen for the metadata (which triggers the start fill), then I can get the abort. |
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| 17:20:19 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Does the 4th gen have a recording option on the main rockbox menu? |
| 17:20:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Let me check again. |
| 17:20:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. |
| 17:21:24 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Ah, I finally see the recscreen in keymap-ipod.c. Thanks folks. |
| 17:22:06 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Can you pull up the recording menu from within the recording screen? |
| 17:22:48 | Nico_P | Lear: have you tried adding mutex locking to fill_buffer? |
| 17:23:52 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Looks like the menu button should do it. Long Play/Pause to exit. |
| 17:25:13 | Lear | Nico_P: No, not yet. Should I do it around the entire loop? |
| 17:26:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Pressing menu does nothing in the recording screen. |
| 17:26:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | Actually, it just jumps back to the root menu. |
| 17:27:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | There's no way of getting into the Recording Settings menu from within the recording screen. |
| 17:27:41 | Nico_P | Lear: that won't work well because it will mean that a handle can't be added until the buffering is finished... I think it's a bit trickier than that |
| 17:27:50 | Lear | Nico_P: Need to re-get m after calling shrink_handle in fill_buffer at least... |
| 17:27:55 | Lear | Suspected as much. |
| 17:27:57 | Nico_P | i'll try to have a look when I get home |
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| 17:30:19 | Nico_P | maybe protecting the shrink_buffer call in fill_buffer would be enough... |
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| 17:32:55 | Lear | move_handle grabs the mutex, so shrink_handle should be fine. However, m might have changed. |
| 17:35:31 | Nico_P | true |
| 17:36:01 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Can you get to the quickscreen from the recscreen with a long-menu? |
| 17:36:48 | Lear | Hm, seem to have something that works now. Maybe overdoing it a bit though. :) Should I make a patch for it? |
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| 17:37:06 | Nico_P | Lear: sure :) |
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| 17:37:39 | Nico_P | Lear: shrink_handle should probably take a struct memory_handle ** as arg, and update it |
| 17:38:40 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Forget that, sorry, I just found the problem. |
| 17:38:57 | Lear | Nico_P: Yes, that thought crossed by mind too... Only really needed in one place though. |
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| 17:43:52 | Nico_P | Lear: I'm heading home. I'll check the logs for your patch ASAP |
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| 17:52:29 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Would a short or long select make the most sense to bring up the recording menu from the rec. screen? (or something else completely?) |
| 17:54:17 | Lear | Nico_P: Added as FS #9164. |
| 17:55:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: I say long select, as it's consistent with bringing up the quick menus. |
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| 17:59:35 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Care to test a patch? http://pastebin.com/d18cbf879 |
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| 18:01:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: I don't have my laptop today. Can you compile a build for me? |
| 18:02:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | Also, apply FS #9122 to it. |
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| 18:23:57 | elvalecita | hello! im new with rockbox, fresh installed in my ipod 5.5 gen, 30 gb, running win xp sp2. I have a lot of playlists and I converted them using "iPod-iTunes to RockBox Playlist Converter v1.01", the developer explains that I should use a patch so the songnames are displayed correctly (FS #7652 - EXTM3U support). I have been trying to learn how to actually install this patch. |
| 18:24:03 | elvalecita | After reading the guide in the wiki ("WorkingWithPatches"), I guess its too hard for me being no programmer. Is there an less complicated way to fix the display of the song names? Should I give up and convert the lists manually (would take pretty long)? Thanks for your attention! Javier |
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| 18:28:27 | pixelma | MarcGuay: I remember having a look at the recording keymaps of the Ipods once (for the manual too) and it wasn't fully working |
| 18:29:12 | Llorean | elvalecita: The problem is that the songs were synced with iTunes. It renames the song files. The EXTM3U reads extra lines with the song names in the playlist file, that your program put there. |
| 18:29:19 | Llorean | The only other fix is to simply have properly named songs. |
| 18:32:55 | pixelma | looking at the diff you pasted - long select once was an idea for my c200 keymap changes (in the recording screen) but I scrapped that since as long as a short select starts a new recording it's far too easy to accidentally start recording if you would just like to enter the menu... |
| 18:33:10 | pixelma | ^ MarcGuay |
| 18:33:13 | elvalecita | Llorean: well i've actually used Winamp the whole time, i guess it does the same that itunes. So what you are saying is that I should erase my whole library from the ipod and then copy it from the original files? |
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| 18:34:05 | Llorean | elvalecita: That would be the easiest way, yes. |
| 18:34:16 | Llorean | Don't treat it like an iPod. Treat it like an external disk. |
| 18:34:40 | elvalecita | i had kind of hoped that my existings lists would get lost |
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| 18:34:58 | elvalecita | but i guess it is quicker to redo them than to take a programmer course |
| 18:35:06 | elvalecita | wouldnt* |
| 18:35:13 | Llorean | Learning to compile and patch doesn't actually take any programming knowledge. |
| 18:35:22 | Llorean | It's just a few instructions to follow. |
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| 18:35:53 | Llorean | But if the patch is out of date, that can be a problem. Plus, we don't support modified versions. And so on. |
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| 18:36:45 | elvalecita | so if I could patch it, i couldnt update the program? |
| 18:37:44 | Llorean | You could update it. You'd have to compile the updates yourself (not very hard at all0 |
| 18:38:03 | Llorean | But if you had any problems, the first thing we'd do is ask you to install an unpatched version and make sure they happen without the patch |
| 18:38:58 | mcuelenaere | mm for some reason target/mips/* becomes target/1/* in the Makefile, any ideas? |
| 18:38:59 | elvalecita | so it would work if i follow the instructions in the wiki? |
| 18:40:18 | Llorean | elvalecita: If the patch is up to date. If it doesn't work, then yes, you'll have to do a few more complicated things |
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| 18:41:11 | elvalecita | so i would have to do the Applying A Patch |
| 18:41:11 | elvalecita | Applying a 'patch' (output from diff -u) is done with the 'patch' tool: |
| 18:41:18 | elvalecita | oops |
| 18:41:31 | elvalecita | only the "applyng"? |
| 18:42:19 | Llorean | No, you have to compile it afterward. |
| 18:43:17 | elvalecita | ok, compiling a C program its not that hard, i guess. |
| 18:43:27 | GodEater_ | anyone else read the "Quandry" email on the mentor's list, and then follow the link to the "bad patterns" link in it ? |
| 18:43:34 | GodEater_ | made for quite interesting reading I thought |
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| 18:44:15 | Llorean | elvalecita: No, compiling itself is just typing out a few commands. As long as you follow the directions you don't really need to learn anything. :) |
| 18:44:18 | * | GodEater_ thinks he used the word "link" there too often |
| 18:44:18 | elvalecita | Well i have to go, but many many thanks for the help. ill try the applying and compiling thingie and if doesnt work ill convert the lists. Godd evening (or day) to you all. |
| 18:44:22 | PaulJam | elvalecita: if you are on windows i would recommend the SimpleGuideToCompiling linked from here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 18:44:56 | GodEater_ | http://blog.red-bean.com/sussman/?p=96 |
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| 18:46:41 | Llorean | GodEater_: How many times have we seen someone say "I just want to polish it up some, then I'll release the patch" etc? |
| 18:46:43 | Galaxor | Hi. I got the latest build as of Saturday, for sansa c200. It's highly excellent, with one exception: When I plug into the usb, it reboots me into the old firmware. Is that a bug, or have I somehow misconfigured it? |
| 18:46:43 | elvalecita | ok ill check it out PaulJam |
| 18:46:49 | GodEater_ | Llorean: exactly |
| 18:46:55 | GodEater_ | I was thinking "blackhawk" in particular |
| 18:47:12 | GodEater_ | Galaxor: that's intended behaviour currently |
| 18:47:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | Galaxor: Rockbox doesn't have a full USB stack yet. |
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| 18:47:37 | Galaxor | Godeater: Oh, okay. |
| 18:47:49 | GodEater_ | if it didn't do that - you'd have no USB access to it |
| 18:48:07 | Llorean | GodEater_: Indeed, but just one of many. There's a popular Album Art tool people use with Rockbox, coded up by someone at the ABi forums, and it took a good deal of work to talk him into releasing his code. He wanted to, but he also wanted to "clean it up" first. |
| 18:48:18 | GodEater_ | ah yes, I've seen it |
| 18:48:28 | Galaxor | This is kernel stuff? |
| 18:48:38 | GodEater_ | Galaxor: usb you mean ? |
| 18:48:42 | Galaxor | The usb support, yeah. |
| 18:48:48 | GodEater_ | yes, it's not in there yet |
| 18:48:53 | GodEater_ | not in normal builds anyway |
| 18:49:11 | Galaxor | Okay. I see, thanks. |
| 18:49:35 | GodEater_ | the plan is to put it in eventually, but it has quirks at the moment which make it undesirable for "normal" users |
| 18:49:44 | Galaxor | What kind of quirks? |
| 18:49:51 | GodEater_ | file system corruption |
| 18:50:03 | Galaxor | That does seem like an undesirable quirk. |
| 18:50:14 | GodEater_ | aye ;) |
| 18:50:38 | GodEater_ | gevaerts here is the expert |
| 18:50:42 | GodEater_ | if you want more detail |
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| 18:50:56 | * | GodEater_ drops gevaerts in it |
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| 18:51:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Still here? |
| 18:51:13 | * | mcuelenaere really hates these massive #ifdef's files |
| 18:51:34 | * | gevaerts thinks that it is unfair to say that the file system corruption issue is a USB problem |
| 18:51:58 | Galaxor | This stuff is under firmware/usbstack? |
| 18:52:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: It's more of a "feature". :P |
| 18:52:20 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: It's more "an existing problem that USB brought to light" if evidence holds. |
| 18:53:11 | gevaerts | Anyway, there are a few issues left : "something" timing related that shows up more often when using hubs, and the (mentioned) corruption issue, which is probably a bug in the sansa sd driver |
| 18:53:11 | Galaxor | Ooh, I see the usb_charging_only. Is that a thing where you can plug in the machine and it will charge but not act like a disk, and then I can reboot the machine manually in order to connect the player to the computer? |
| 18:53:26 | gevaerts | yes |
| 18:53:47 | GodEater_ | Galaxor: yes, the manual should say which key to hold while plugging in USB does that for you |
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| 18:54:18 | gevaerts | (there is a third issue, but that only applies to gigabeat S and mac osx) |
| 18:54:32 | Galaxor | Oh, okay. I can use that for now. I might poke my head in the code, but I've never done kernel-level stuff before, so I'll probably not be useful there. |
| 18:54:57 | GodEater_ | gevaerts: what's the third issue then ? |
| 18:55:04 | * | GodEater_ doesn't recall any issues on his GBS yet |
| 18:55:10 | mcuelenaere | anyone around who's familiar with the Rockbox Makefile and/or SOURCES file parsing? |
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| 18:56:21 | gevaerts | GodEater_: I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that some versions of OSX don't like it if a device that claims to be non-removable doesn't implement the "caching" mode sense page |
| 18:56:57 | gevaerts | GodEater_: this matters for the GBS because it has two FAT partitions, and Windows doesn't handle more than one partition on removable devices |
| 18:57:17 | GodEater_ | gevaerts: it doesn't? Since when ? |
| 18:57:19 | * | gevaerts thinks that both behaviours are bugs, but there's not much we can do |
| 18:57:38 | * | GodEater_ has plugged in multi-partition USB keys to his PC before |
| 18:57:57 | GodEater_ | although I guess only one of them was a FS that windows understood |
| 18:58:01 | GodEater_ | so perhaps that made a difference |
| 18:58:26 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37, pixelma: I have company over. Will check it out more later, and that's a good point about the "new recording" button. |
| 18:58:35 | gevaerts | It does. s/more than one partition/more than one Windows-accessible partition/ |
| 18:58:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater_: I thought both partitions were FAT32, and it was just a flag set to the system partition (according to the wiki, anyway). |
| 18:58:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Okay, no problem. |
| 18:59:04 | GodEater_ | LambdaCalculus37: they're TFAT technically |
| 18:59:17 | GodEater_ | and I've never tried plugging it into a windows PC, so I've not seen any weird behaviour |
| 18:59:20 | Llorean | gevaerts: Doesn't the e200 register as a removable device with two partitions (internal flash and SD?) |
| 18:59:22 | * | gevaerts wonders what the T stands for. "Terrible" ? |
| 18:59:30 | Llorean | Or are they treated as two separate devices? |
| 18:59:33 | GodEater_ | that would be two volumes |
| 18:59:36 | GodEater_ | not partitions |
| 18:59:38 | Llorean | Ah, right. |
| 18:59:40 | gevaerts | Llorean: they are two LUNs |
| 18:59:42 | GodEater_ | T = Transaction |
| 18:59:53 | Llorean | Can that be faked? |
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| 19:00:06 | GodEater_ | I would imagine so |
| 19:00:12 | Llorean | We don't exactly want people repartitioning their S anyway |
| 19:00:13 | GodEater_ | means more work for gevaerts though ;) |
| 19:00:45 | gevaerts | Llorean: maybe not, but we may want them to be able to make a full disk-level backup |
| 19:00:52 | GodEater_ | the S wouldn't want them repartioning it either |
| 19:00:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | My S shows up as two drives, plus a USB Camera Device (which is odd) on Kubuntu. |
| 19:01:00 | Llorean | GodEater_: I think that's why we don't. :) |
| 19:02:14 | * | gevaerts is willing to make a translation layer to allow this sort of trick, but he won't be tricked into deciding that it is needed |
| 19:03:38 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: I deny all responibility for the camera |
| 19:05:28 | GodEater_ | gevaerts: leave it to RSB ? |
| 19:05:52 | * | Llorean begins to fear how much is going to get dumped on the RSB. |
| 19:06:12 | gevaerts | GodEater_: maybe. There are good arguments for both sides |
| 19:06:39 | GodEater_ | gevaerts: it won't be popular, but I guess we could make it an option ? |
| 19:06:49 | GodEater_ | i.e. some sort of toggle somewhere |
| 19:07:02 | gevaerts | Wouldn't that be a support nightmare? |
| 19:07:11 | GodEater_ | it could well become one |
| 19:07:23 | GodEater_ | but then, *not* having the translation layer might well become a support nightmare |
| 19:07:31 | GodEater_ | a lot of our "users" do run windows after all |
| 19:07:39 | Llorean | I think that turning off the translation layer could be hidden in debug |
| 19:07:42 | GodEater_ | if the GBS become a supported target |
| 19:07:44 | Llorean | no "userspace" toggle. |
| 19:07:54 | gevaerts | And not persistent |
| 19:08:01 | GodEater_ | that's a good idea |
| 19:08:01 | Llorean | "debug" rarely is persistant |
| 19:08:04 | * | gevaerts could live with that sort of option |
| 19:08:06 | Llorean | It doesn't save in .cfg files |
| 19:08:17 | GodEater_ | e.g. usb screenshot mode |
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| 19:08:22 | gevaerts | But I'm still in favour of no translation layer |
| 19:08:44 | Llorean | Would the translation layer mean more overall compatibility? |
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| 19:08:52 | Llorean | Less "unexpected" behaviour for the common user? |
| 19:09:12 | shadoxx | Anyone familiar or good at identifying ICs? |
| 19:09:17 | GodEater_ | gevaerts: well do you have another idea for getting this to work on windows then ? |
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| 19:09:42 | gevaerts | GodEater_: it works now. It's just a bit unsafe. |
| 19:09:51 | GodEater_ | unsafe how ? |
| 19:10:10 | gevaerts | You can access the firmware partition and the partition table |
| 19:11:17 | gevaerts | Anyway, if the consensus (or RSB decision if there isn't one) is that there should be a translation layer, I won't oppose it |
| 19:11:23 | GodEater_ | how is that unsafe ? Isn't that normal behaviour ? |
| 19:12:01 | gevaerts | If it isn't considered unsafe, then why are we discussing measures to make that harder? |
| 19:12:10 | * | gevaerts is a bit confused now |
| 19:12:38 | GodEater_ | you said "windows doesn't handle more than one parition on a removable drive" |
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| 19:12:49 | GodEater_ | I assumed that meant it only allowed access to one of them |
| 19:12:49 | Llorean | GodEater_: Right now it's not "removable" |
| 19:13:05 | GodEater_ | oh - how is it marked currently then ? |
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| 19:13:11 | gevaerts | Removable is a SCSI term with a precise meaning :) |
| 19:13:24 | * | GodEater_ is clearly not the right person to be talking about this given he doesn't use windows with his S |
| 19:13:27 | Llorean | It's removable, but not "Removable" |
| 19:13:30 | gevaerts | Nothing to do with the USB removability |
| 19:13:52 | Llorean | I think access to the partition table is probably "bad" but access to the firmware partition is good (for easy updates) |
| 19:13:55 | GodEater_ | ok - I think I'll butt out now then while I'm only vaguely confused :) |
| 19:14:20 | gevaerts | SCSI removable means that the SCSI handler stays there, but the media can get removed (floppy, SD card,...) |
| 19:14:43 | gevaerts | Only a lot of USB device manufacturers didn't read that properly |
| 19:15:06 | GodEater_ | that doesn't sound like desirable behaviour for a DAP without an SD card slot |
| 19:15:32 | GodEater_ | I can see it would make sense for the sansas though |
| 19:16:00 | gevaerts | It's a bit complicated, because for lots of reasons that bit also gets used by OSes to make decisions, like "do I put a trashcan on it" |
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| 19:16:24 | gevaerts | So for this bit too, there is no "right" answer |
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| 19:17:46 | GodEater_ | how irritating |
| 19:17:49 | gevaerts | A useful thing you get from setting the removable bit is that you can get eject commands, which you can use to leave disk mode and go to charging mode (technically you are still in disk mode, but the disk is ejected) |
| 19:18:05 | GodEater_ | which is presumably how the ipod does it |
| 19:18:14 | * | Llorean would very much like that. |
| 19:18:26 | * | Llorean also does like the "doesn't keep a trashcan" aspect of removable devices. |
| 19:18:34 | * | gevaerts points out that it already works like that, except for the GBS |
| 19:20:20 | Llorean | Ah. |
| 19:20:50 | gevaerts | You can even go back to disk mode, via the debug menu |
| 19:21:25 | * | gevaerts wonders when Bagder will be able to kick the build master |
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| 19:22:24 | Llorean | Oh, right, I remember that now from when I tried on my Nano |
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| 19:34:01 | preglow | argh |
| 19:34:21 | preglow | i hate whatever way flyspray uses to post replies that has me posting another one each time i reload a page |
| 19:35:31 | GodEater_ | GET and not POST is usually the culprit there |
| 19:36:15 | preglow | yeah, probably |
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| 19:40:01 | dany_21a | hello all... i am daniel_at from the "Sansa V2"-thread from the rb-forum... i have some ARM (and ARM-assembly) related questions, anyone here who can give me some hints? |
| 19:40:19 | GodEater_ | dany_21a: I'm guessing amiconn can probably help |
| 19:40:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | dany_21a: Ask away. |
| 19:40:29 | GodEater_ | assuming he has time |
| 19:41:42 | dany_21a | LambdaCalculus37: okay... thx: i have none to nearly none ARM-assembly knowledge (once or twice debugged a Pocked-PC programm... thats all) so I have some basic questions: |
| 19:41:59 | dany_21a | What does "LDR R0 [R0,#8]" to |
| 19:42:09 | dany_21a | sry... What does "LDR R0, [R0,#8]" to |
| 19:42:32 | GodEater_ | that looks like the same question ;) |
| 19:42:36 | dany_21a | (What does the [...]-bracket thingy do) |
| 19:42:37 | * | amiconn multicast-pings LinusN, Bagder and Zagor |
| 19:42:48 | dany_21a | GodEater: (forgot semicolon) |
| 19:43:13 | GodEater_ | I see no semicolon... |
| 19:43:30 | dany_21a | ahm... whats the english word for "," |
| 19:43:34 | GodEater_ | comma |
| 19:43:40 | dany_21a | okay..forgot that :) |
| 19:43:47 | GodEater_ | semi-colon -> ; |
| 19:44:06 | dany_21a | okay.. thx |
| 19:44:16 | amiconn | dany_21a: It loads a 32-bit value from address (r0 + 8) into r0 |
| 19:44:26 | * | amiconn recommends the arm reference manual |
| 19:44:51 | dany_21a | amiconn: so [..] is basically the offset-operator? |
| 19:45:34 | amiconn | It's not an operator, it's an addressing mode. All ldr and str instructions use [] |
| 19:46:06 | amiconn | Google for ddi0100e_arm_arm.pdf |
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| 19:48:26 | dany_21a | amiconn okay, will have a look |
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| 19:53:57 | dany_21a | amiconn: does this make sense: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25730/ |
| 19:55:10 | amiconn | no |
| 19:55:45 | delorean90 | i noticed in the whyrockbox section of the wiki that While Playing screen was in bold, but only the first 2 words were capitalized, i just got permission for the wiki yesterday, should i capitalize the 's'? |
| 19:55:56 | dany_21a | uhmm.. just saw.. the ands should read "ands r1, r1, #0x02" - or? |
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| 19:56:13 | dany_21a | amiconn: ^ |
| 19:56:20 | amiconn | (1) You cannot use ldr(b|h) with = this way. It will load the address itself from the constant pool (but that cannot work because ldrb is byte sized) |
| 19:56:29 | amiconn | (2) There is no 'noloop' label |
| 19:56:51 | amiconn | err, scratch (2) |
| 19:56:56 | dany_21a | (last line) |
| 19:57:22 | dany_21a | to (1)... okay - how to i load the value (its actually a register) from a constant address. |
| 19:57:27 | amiconn | yeah, just a bit far away to spot it easily... |
| 19:58:04 | amiconn | You need to load that address into a register first. Either using ldr, from the constant pool, or using mov/orr sequences with immediates |
| 19:58:42 | amiconn | And there's 'tst' for testing bits, which does the same as 'and' but discards the result itself |
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| 20:00:17 | amiconn | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25733/ |
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| 20:02:17 | amiconn | The other version would be to use mov r1, #0xC8000000; orr r1, r1, #0x0D0000 instead of ldr r1, =GPIO3_DATA |
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| 20:03:40 | dany_21a | amiconn: okay - i have already seen that construct from the pastpin in the disassmbly some times |
| 20:03:44 | amiconn | This uses the same amount of binary size (the ldr also needs the address in the constant pool, automatically put there by the assembler). Whether it's faster or slower depends on the arm version and generation |
| 20:03:52 | dany_21a | thx - currently compiling/uploading |
| 20:04:14 | amiconn | On arm7tdmi the mov/orr combo is faster. On later ones it probably doesn't matter |
| 20:05:12 | dany_21a | amiconn: yeah, just wondered how <shift_operand> can be imm32 |
| 20:05:26 | amiconn | ? |
| 20:05:41 | dany_21a | "[...](the ldr also needs the address in the constant pool,[,...]" |
| 20:06:05 | amiconn | Yes, that means it's outside the instruction flow |
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| 20:07:54 | dany_21a | amiconn: just to be sure... the loop is executed if the bit1 is set...or? |
| 20:08:48 | amiconn | The assembler collects everything you assign using =, and dumps this constant pool somewhere within range for offest addressing, either automatically at the end of the module, or wherever you put a .ltorg directive |
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| 20:09:39 | amiconn | dany_21a: Nope, the opposite |
| 20:09:56 | dany_21a | amiconn: damn... :) |
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| 20:13:16 | * | Buschel needs to remeasure svn mp3... |
| 20:13:21 | Buschel | the results cannot be true |
| 20:14:25 | * | Buschel just measured the c-dct32 as 8.25MHz faster than the asm one |
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| 20:21:19 | mcuelenaere | thread.c has this line: "thread->context.sp = (typeof (thread->context.sp))stackend;" of what type does context.sp needs to be? |
| 20:21:44 | mcuelenaere | (GCC gives me "error: 'struct regs' has no member named '$29'") |
| 20:21:54 | gevaerts | I would guess the stack pointer |
| 20:22:12 | mcuelenaere | me too, but isn't that an unsigned int aka uint32_t ? |
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| 20:23:26 | mcuelenaere | stackend is a uintptr_t BTW |
| 20:23:35 | gevaerts | Probably, but that error seems to point to a different problem I think |
| 20:23:55 | Buschel | ok, remeasurements looks reasonable fir libmad. c-dct32 -O2 = 39.75MHz, c-dct32 -01 = 38.27MHz, asm dct -O2 = 38.28MHz |
| 20:24:11 | mcuelenaere | I think the code will work with a cast to (uint32_t), but I'm not going to change that as it's not cross-platform compatible |
| 20:24:19 | Buschel | so, at least the c-dct is of the same speed as the asm'ed dct |
| 20:25:05 | mcuelenaere | ah never mind, gevaerts you were right: the problem is elsewhere |
| 20:27:48 | amiconn | Buschel: Did you also test the PP5020 case? (less iram - dunno whether libmad on arm makes use of that) |
| 20:28:07 | amiconn | PP5002 is probably more different |
| 20:28:53 | Buschel | amiconn: no, just have a 5022 here. just trying to put the c-dct32 into iram now |
| 20:29:25 | amiconn | You can test the 5020 case. PP5020 and PP5022 are identical in speed as long as the same things are in iram |
| 20:29:48 | amiconn | I mean you can test it on PP5022 |
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| 20:30:07 | Buschel | amiconn: c-dct32 -O1 with iram = 38.26MHz |
| 20:31:32 | Buschel | ahem, this was for -O2, doing -O1 now |
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| 20:34:46 | Buschel | c-dct32 -O1 with iram = 38.25MHz |
| 20:36:43 | wpyh | hi Buschel |
| 20:36:50 | Buschel | hi |
| 20:36:53 | amiconn | So... pretty minimal differences |
| 20:36:57 | wpyh | I've got some new results at the IpodRuntime page |
| 20:37:15 | amiconn | What's the margin of error in those measurements? |
| 20:37:15 | * | wpyh is not going to disturb their conversation |
| 20:37:32 | Buschel | amiconn: they are quite reproducible |
| 20:37:45 | amiconn | Yeah, but +/- 0.02MHz ?? |
| 20:37:47 | Buschel | amiconn: max difference is +/- 0.01MHz |
| 20:38:03 | amiconn | That's less than one permille |
| 20:38:55 | mcuelenaere | are #define's included from a .h file in a .c file still valid when it's run through the assembler stage? |
| 20:39:01 | Buschel | amiconn: how can we build synth.c with -O1, but the other files with -O2? |
| 20:39:09 | amiconn | And alignment can probably change things more than that. On coldfire it definitely does; didn't see that effect on arm yet though |
| 20:39:45 | amiconn | Buschel: I'd just keep using the asm version.... |
| 20:40:07 | amiconn | Maybe that one can be optimised further, and then you'll gain more than 0.02MHz |
| 20:40:55 | Buschel | at least I would learn more about makefiles ;-) |
| 20:41:15 | * | wpyh sees that the conversation has died down somewhat |
| 20:41:25 | wpyh | Buschel:from my data on the IpodRuntime page |
| 20:41:42 | wpyh | (there's a final data missing but it should follow the trend) |
| 20:42:01 | Buschel | wpyh: yes, i saw them. libmad does not scale that much with the bitrate as the OF does |
| 20:42:15 | wpyh | the runtime increases that we see when we use a lower bitrate codec is lower than with the OF |
| 20:42:19 | Buschel | (or better: rockbox does not scale...) |
| 20:42:32 | wpyh | oh? I was thinking about the buffering algorithm, but I'm not sure |
| 20:43:31 | wpyh | and the OF doesn't turn off accessory power supply, right? while in my tests, I turned it off... so there must be a huge power eater somewhere |
| 20:43:34 | amiconn | Buschel: If you want that, you'd at least need to test on *all* arm variants |
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| 20:44:01 | mcuelenaere | to clarify my question: there are some registers who need to be replaced by #define's, but those are in an asm volatile() statement; is it possible to do so? |
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| 20:44:10 | wpyh | uh... |
| 20:44:28 | Buschel | amiconn: i would like to know what the effect on _my_ player for now |
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| 20:44:56 | wpyh | btw I will make further tests on my Nano −− it has a shorter battery runtime so tests will finish more quickly ;) |
| 20:45:54 | * | amiconn wonders how Buschel wants to measure runtime differences in the 10-seconds range... |
| 20:48:05 | * | Buschel is a bit penetrant regarding codec performance |
| 20:48:32 | * | Buschel is mixing up german and english :/ |
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| 20:50:50 | bertrik | Buschel: you use battery bench a lot, right? Can you have a look at this simplified version of battery bench that I posted here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9155 ? |
| 20:51:33 | Llorean | bluebrother: "Installation instructions can be found in the manual, which is (here). The recommended method is by use of RBUtil." |
| 20:51:52 | GodEater_ | I think we should probably remove the bias in the instructions towards the "manual" method too |
| 20:52:00 | GodEater_ | maybe move the manual method to an appendix even |
| 20:52:00 | Nico_P | Llorean: I was thinking of something along the lines of adding one line underneath "Why should you run Rockbox? Click here to find out" with something like "Installation instructions(link) - Read the manual(link) for more detailed instructions on how to use Rockbox" |
| 20:52:05 | bluebrother | Llorean: yes, something like that. |
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| 20:52:55 | * | Nico_P agrees that rbutil needs to be more visible |
| 20:53:00 | bluebrother | I also had the idea of adding a startup screen to rbutil (mainly for checking system stuff and giving a warning about issues immediately). We could add a hint to the manual during that screen as well |
| 20:53:33 | GodEater_ | bluebrother: how many targets have you had connected to your PC at once with rbutil running btw ? |
| 20:53:37 | bertrik | in this version of battery bench, the instant that a measurement is done no longer depends on disk activity, disk spin-down times or whether music is playing or not, it simply takes a measurement each minute |
| 20:53:48 | GodEater_ | I noticed the other day it gets easily confused with multiple DAPS attached at once |
| 20:53:54 | bluebrother | GodEater_: good question. Let me try with as much targets as available ;-) |
| 20:54:01 | GodEater_ | I've done it with 5 attached |
| 20:54:17 | bluebrother | any major problems with that? |
| 20:54:24 | Llorean | Actually, 1.0.5 gets confused if you have a .rockbox folder on a local HD |
| 20:54:28 | domonoky | the detection wont really work nice with multiple devices... |
| 20:54:30 | Llorean | Say you extracted a build there to tinker with the files of. |
| 20:54:39 | Llorean | It detected my "D:" drive as an iPod nano |
| 20:54:59 | domonoky | :-) which is very nice for testing :-) |
| 20:55:03 | bluebrother | if you faked your drive D: as being a nano ... ;-) |
| 20:55:09 | Llorean | I'd say moving "Manual Install" to an appendix is a very good idea. |
| 20:56:07 | GodEater_ | with my setup (linux version) it misidentified quite a few of the targets |
| 20:56:08 | domonoky | its the detection via the rockbox.info file, its always first, and just uses the first drive with this file found :-) |
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| 20:56:13 | Buschel | betrik: hmm, i should run a new battery bench with this patch then |
| 20:56:45 | bluebrother | domonoky: not exactly. USB detection comes first ;-) |
| 20:57:05 | amiconn | bertrik: Btw, JdGordon's remark is incorrect. The ata callback on flash targets is called after normal disk activity like on hdd targets |
| 20:57:13 | domonoky | bluebrother: yes, but usb never stops the detection, so the rockbox.info stuff overrides.. |
| 20:57:15 | * | mcuelenaere really hates this MIPSel assembler.. |
| 20:57:28 | * | GodEater_ doesn't care if people simple give up, it's the ones who don't give up, and come and ask for advice afterwards that are annoying |
| 20:57:32 | bluebrother | hmm, right. We should change that ... |
| 20:57:50 | amiconn | (see e.g. ata-sd-pp.c and ata_mmc.c) |
| 20:57:55 | Llorean | GodEater_: This is in response to? |
| 20:57:56 | bertrik | amiconn: ok thanks, I hadn't really looked into it myself yet |
| 20:58:03 | domonoky | maybe we should always try to detect everything, and present a list, if there are multiple devices ... |
| 20:58:12 | bluebrother | or at least try to make detection more robust. But I'm still hoping to add some other missing mountpoint detection first |
| 20:58:14 | GodEater_ | Llorean: your forum post ;) |
| 20:58:32 | GodEater_ | I thought it was too cheeky to add to the actual thread |
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| 20:58:49 | * | GodEater_ again wishes for meta-comments :) |
| 20:59:39 | domonoky | bluebrother: we should also use all usb ids we can use, and only use the patchers as a last resort (because they need special permissions)... |
| 20:59:41 | Llorean | GodEater_: I clarified it a bit. |
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| 21:00:06 | bluebrother | domonoky: well, the problem is that some Ipods have the same PID |
| 21:00:09 | Llorean | I see nothing wrong with not caring if people give up, especially if they might increase the load on our support people for no real gain. So I don't see any reason to encourage them *not* to read the docs. |
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| 21:00:32 | bertrik | Buschel: yes please test it if you can. I am not able to test it on other targets than sansa e200 myself. |
| 21:00:41 | GodEater_ | I'm not sure we have a way of measuring what percentage give up entirely, and what percentage give up on their own and then come and bug us |
| 21:00:44 | domonoky | bluebrother: yes, but we only have to use ipodpatcher if we detect one of the dublicates.. |
| 21:00:48 | bluebrother | ok, this is bad: I now have 5 players connected (of which one is a fake Ipod). Rbutil detected one of the players but used a wrong mountpoint |
| 21:01:06 | GodEater_ | bluebrother: that's exactly what I found |
| 21:01:14 | bluebrother | domonoky: in that case it would be good if we could make rbutil ask for elevation on vista not earlier than needed. |
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| 21:01:40 | Llorean | GodEater_: I'd say that simply putting an installation doc together, with the installer linked inside it, rather than suggesting they start with the installer and try to stumble though, is better. |
| 21:01:41 | domonoky | bluebrother: would be nice, if i only would know how to this.. |
| 21:01:45 | bluebrother | I think the easiest soltion would be to simply not set the device / mountpoint and present an error if multiple devices are detected. |
| 21:01:48 | GodEater_ | bluebrother: I'm not saying it's going to be a common occurence, I just thought you should know about it |
| 21:01:50 | Llorean | If you ask them to stumble through, I think they're MORE likely to come ask for help without reading anything, not less. |
| 21:01:54 | bluebrother | you're the guy working on windows ... ;-) |
| 21:02:16 | GodEater_ | Llorean: absolutely - couldn't agree more |
| 21:02:34 | bluebrother | GodEater_: I agree that we should do something about that. Don't consider it problematic or anything above lowest priority though ;-) |
| 21:02:50 | GodEater_ | no - it's only us mad fools with multiple targets generally :) |
| 21:02:57 | bluebrother | hehe :) |
| 21:02:58 | GodEater_ | and I don't often update them all at once |
| 21:03:28 | GodEater_ | it's definitely an "edge case" |
| 21:04:51 | bluebrother | a short "installation with rbutil and screenshots" might be nice. |
| 21:05:08 | Llorean | bluebrother: Agreed |
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| 21:05:34 | Llorean | I'd like to see an installation instructions that was target independent, since with the exception of one or two special steps (that RBUtil should tell you clearly about, in the ideal case) it can be. |
| 21:06:03 | bluebrother | I might try putting one up in the wiki so we can improve it and eventually create some manual-like installation document from it |
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| 21:06:41 | Llorean | Sounds good to me. |
| 21:07:26 | Llorean | His work life seems to have picked up around a similar time it happened. |
| 21:07:58 | Llorean | But the "Mod" position is more in dealing with bans, problem users, etc. |
| 21:08:23 | Llorean | Since I know he's more moderate than me, and I'd met him at DevConW, etc, I'd decided he seemed like a good role for the job, and felt we could probably use one more mod |
| 21:08:49 | GodEater_ | is there anyone *less* moderate than you? :) |
| 21:09:11 | Llorean | I think I banned 'em all. |
| 21:09:15 | GodEater_ | hahaha |
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| 21:10:17 | Llorean | Anyway, I'm thinking of having one more "Global Mod" for the forums sometime soon. They're not only getting big, but probably with a rules reorganization and all the recent upcoming ports, they'll get a lot more active. |
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| 21:10:32 | GodEater_ | very true |
| 21:10:38 | GodEater_ | the D2 looks close |
| 21:10:40 | Llorean | And I hate the fact that it's true, but more activity means we need a few more people with hammers. |
| 21:10:42 | GodEater_ | the GBS is *very* close |
| 21:10:59 | Llorean | I think we've already had the brunt of the GBS rush dimmed by how long it's been in that nether area it's in. |
| 21:11:13 | GodEater_ | I'm skeptical of that |
| 21:11:21 | GodEater_ | I think what it goes on the front page it'll pick up again |
| 21:11:33 | Llorean | I think it'll be a good deal less than it would've been if it happened two months ago, though |
| 21:11:33 | GodEater_ | although not hugely perhaps, given how hard it is to come by |
| 21:11:46 | Llorean | The SansaV2 is where I think the biggest rush will come in. |
| 21:11:53 | GodEater_ | yeah |
| 21:11:57 | GodEater_ | that's going to be "fun" |
| 21:12:26 | * | GodEater_ remembers "fondly" the last influx of sansa users |
| 21:12:39 | Llorean | That's a big part of why I think the forums need simpler rules, and consistent enforcing |
| 21:12:41 | GodEater_ | though most of them have mellowed with time ;) |
| 21:12:43 | bluebrother | Llorean: what do you think about "GraphicalInstall" as pagename? |
| 21:12:46 | Llorean | We need something that scales well. |
| 21:13:00 | Llorean | bluebrother: Works for me, and I think it'll help make people feel comfortable. |
| 21:13:58 | * | gevaerts was probably one of the latecomers in this last influx of sansa users |
| 21:14:12 | Llorean | gevaerts: You certainly aren't in the group we're referring to. |
| 21:14:29 | GodEater_ | hell no |
| 21:14:36 | Llorean | Though it's possible you've "bricked" your player as often as they have... |
| 21:14:46 | GodEater_ | unless I forgot you drooling into your beard when you first arrived |
| 21:14:54 | GodEater_ | and smacking your knuckles on the door step |
| 21:15:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hehehe... :) |
| 21:15:21 | GodEater_ | I'm pretty sure I'd remember though |
| 21:15:33 | gevaerts | I'm probably the only one to have "bricked" his c200 to be able to give exact instructions to someone else :) |
| 21:15:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | Now that's dedication. :) |
| 21:15:46 | GodEater_ | what, on how to brick it exactly the same ? :) |
| 21:16:13 | GodEater_ | 1) Take one microwave oven.... |
| 21:16:21 | GodEater_ | 2) insert your DAP... |
| 21:16:24 | gevaerts | That's for bricking, not "bricking" |
| 21:16:39 | GodEater_ | ah, that subtle difference some many of our users miss |
| 21:16:44 | GodEater_ | s/some/so |
| 21:16:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | 3) Microwave on HIGH for 5 minutes. |
| 21:16:54 | GodEater_ | 4) Stand well back |
| 21:17:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | 5) Boom! |
| 21:17:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | 6) Hahaha! |
| 21:17:40 | gevaerts | Or just 2) drop microwave (with DAP in it) in a handy nearby river |
| 21:18:15 | Llorean | I'm also not entirely confident about who we'll be getting with the Meizu player |
| 21:18:38 | GodEater_ | they're going to be hard work |
| 21:18:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: I can pretty much assure that we're going to have a massive influx of visitors from China with the Meizu. |
| 21:18:49 | Llorean | I think the big fear for me is always when I go check out their own forums, and realize they're going to come to ours and expect to be able to behave the same |
| 21:19:08 | * | GodEater_ gets ready with the big stick to wave at them |
| 21:19:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: I had a crazy idea... why not also assign specific people to mod various areas of the forums? For example, someone can mod the Apple section, another mod the Toshiba section, etc... |
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| 21:19:57 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: I've actually been intentionally trying to avoid that. |
| 21:20:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: Understood. Sorry for bringing it up. :) |
| 21:20:27 | Llorean | I think that just means I'm telling people exactly who to pester if they have a question about TopicX and don't want to post it in a thread |
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| 21:20:58 | Llorean | The forums have functionality specifically for it, but really, if I'm going to give someone full "moderator" type privileges, it's probably just going to be globally |
| 21:21:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | Actually, that does sound like the better idea. |
| 21:21:43 | GodEater_ | LambdaCalculus37: how much do you consciously spend avoiding bits of the forum in your own browsing habits ? |
| 21:21:46 | Llorean | I mean, basically, making someone a mod over a specific area is saying "I trust you to moderate, but not to know when you don't know enough to moderate" |
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| 21:22:10 | GodEater_ | haha |
| 21:23:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater_: I don't go into the Olympus section, and I don't get involved with the unsupported build section, and it irks me to see questions about unsupported builds being asked in the wrong areas. |
| 21:23:59 | Llorean | the Olympus section hasn't had a new post in forever. |
| 21:24:02 | Llorean | It's not the most lively target |
| 21:24:03 | GodEater_ | LambdaCalculus37: you should do what I did |
| 21:24:07 | Llorean | Either that, or it has the brightest users _ever_ |
| 21:24:12 | GodEater_ | take a 2 month sabbatical |
| 21:24:19 | GodEater_ | I'm *so* chilled about the forums right now :) |
| 21:24:39 | GodEater_ | I've not been snide to anyone for weeks |
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| 21:27:37 | Llorean | Well, ideally the pre-written responses for each of the possible rules violations will mean a vastly overall reduced "snideness" anyway. Unless people decide the canned responses are snide. |
| 21:27:38 | MarcGuay | It's unfortunate that there's no voicing of "recording started"/"recording stopped". I can only imagine how difficult it would be to know what's going on otherwise. |
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| 21:29:44 | Llorean | MarcGuay: I'm not certain, but isn't there a way to beep on stop/start? |
| 21:30:27 | * | MarcGuay goes to find out |
| 21:31:18 | MarcGuay | Don't see anything on the e200. |
| 21:31:47 | Llorean | I think it might be the normal button beep |
| 21:32:49 | GodEater_ | do you mean key click ? |
| 21:33:08 | MarcGuay | Llorean: Keyclick + Start recording just locked up my player... :) |
| 21:33:14 | GodEater_ | hahahaha |
| 21:33:22 | Llorean | Well, obviously that's not ideal behaviour |
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| 21:33:28 | GodEater_ | obviously this is intended behaviour ;) |
| 21:33:32 | MarcGuay | FBut lyspray isn't there. |
| 21:33:59 | MarcGuay | Close enough. |
| 21:35:03 | MarcGuay | Crud. I can reproduce that lockup. So much for replying to that guy on the list.. |
| 21:35:47 | mcuelenaere | is memset16 equal to memset with the difference that the first one is optimized for word access? |
| 21:35:48 | MarcGuay | Keyclick seems to be unreliable with the voices menus in general, sometimes beeping, sometimes not. |
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| 21:36:25 | GodEater_ | MarcGuay: imo Keyclick is bloody dreadful across all PP targets |
| 21:36:43 | MarcGuay | GodEater: It's supposed to be a beep or a click? |
| 21:36:49 | GodEater_ | heck if I know |
| 21:36:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | Agreed. I can hardly use it on either one of my iPods. |
| 21:36:57 | pixelma | Llorean, MarcGuay: I think I remember the Archoses which can record can "beep" |
| 21:36:59 | GodEater_ | it made my ears bleed the first time I tried it |
| 21:37:08 | GodEater_ | I've never turned it on since |
| 21:37:26 | Llorean | So, what you're saying is, "keyclick should be ifdeffed out for the release"? |
| 21:37:37 | Llorean | At least for PP targets? |
| 21:37:40 | pixelma | GodEater: pondlife fixed that but it means that it doesn't work 100% of the time... |
| 21:37:42 | GodEater_ | well I would |
| 21:37:54 | Llorean | GodEater_: Mind posting a bug report on it (what it does, how to reproduce if possible, etc)? |
| 21:37:54 | GodEater_ | pixelma: so it's still somewhat useless then ? |
| 21:38:11 | GodEater_ | Llorean: well if pondlife "fixed" the ears bleeding thing, there's not much point |
| 21:38:15 | Llorean | Ah |
| 21:38:17 | GodEater_ | I think I documented that on the original patch anyway |
| 21:38:22 | GodEater_ | he just ignored it ;) |
| 21:38:29 | pixelma | and that beeeep only occured to me (on the c200) when voice was enabled), if it was disabled it worked correctly |
| 21:38:33 | * | Llorean needs a list of "features that don't work, or do work but do something stupid" |
| 21:38:40 | pixelma | not sure what it does currently haven |
| 21:38:43 | MarcGuay | Llorean: Yeah, it's awful. I just had it pierce my ears (even on weak). It froze on "meeeeeep" until I restarted playback. |
| 21:38:45 | * | GodEater_ thinks Llorean will get a long list |
| 21:38:55 | pixelma | haven't tried for a while |
| 21:39:06 | Llorean | GodEater_: I WANT a long list. |
| 21:39:09 | Llorean | the longer the better. |
| 21:39:18 | GodEater_ | masochist |
| 21:39:19 | GodEater_ | :D |
| 21:39:20 | gevaerts | Llorean: is that the thing called "release notes" ? |
| 21:39:23 | Llorean | Then we can decide "which ones do we remove, and which do we put in the Known Issues file" |
| 21:39:26 | Llorean | Who cares about fixing things. |
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| 21:39:29 | MarcGuay | The long meep was with voicing off as well. |
| 21:39:38 | Llorean | gevaerts: Exactly! |
| 21:39:47 | Ors | Hi there |
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| 21:41:06 | Ors | Could somebody help me and tell whether my Zicplay mp3 player can be used with rockbox? I could not find it in the listing |
| 21:41:24 | Llorean | Ors: It's not in the listing because it cannot be used. |
| 21:41:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | Only the players on the front page can be used. |
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| 21:42:25 | Ors | OK. I just asked to be on the safe side, any other way I could use my mp3 player, alternative solution? |
| 21:42:30 | MarcGuay | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8660 <- Recording hardlocks with keyclick enabled |
| 21:42:49 | MarcGuay | Mark it as 3.0? |
| 21:43:17 | * | Llorean goes to do that |
| 21:44:35 | Llorean | MarcGuay: If you can mark things as 3.0, feel free to mark anything at all you think even *might* be 3.0 relevant. I think it's better to have a large list to pare down, rather than later wondering if we need to go back through the non 3.0 stuff again and again. |
| 21:44:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ors: Buy a compatible player? |
| 21:44:54 | MarcGuay | Llorean: I agree. |
| 21:45:38 | Llorean | Good. :) |
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| 21:45:55 | Ors | LambdaCalculus37: I have meant to use this old player |
| 21:46:13 | GodEater_ | Ors: in that case your only option is "port rockbox to it yourself" |
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| 21:50:42 | Ors | I guess that would be rather complicated for me... |
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| 21:52:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ors: Well, then you're not getting Rockbox. |
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| 21:53:40 | Ors | so I thought :-( |
| 21:53:41 | gevaerts | linuxstb: am I right that the current dax status basically is "code runs, buttons are known, and lcd works" ? |
| 21:54:06 | linuxstb | More or less. Interrupts are also working, so the tick task is running, and sleep works. |
| 21:54:25 | shotofadds | I think the current status is waiting for "someone" to play with the NAND driver |
| 21:54:42 | remghoost | hello everyone |
| 21:55:03 | * | shotofadds has LambdaCalculus37's m240 now, so might take a look soon |
| 21:55:10 | gevaerts | Mine was switched to usb boot today, so I can play with it. I'm planning to take it with me on holiday |
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| 21:55:31 | bluebrother | ok, up for comments and improvements: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GraphicalInstall |
| 21:56:15 | remghoost | so, the rockbox installer says that i have an unsupported apple player variant. what should i do? |
| 21:56:51 | linuxstb | remghoost: Either buy a new player, or follow the step-by-step guide here ;) http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort |
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| 21:57:16 | remghoost | alright, thanks so much |
| 21:58:06 | gevaerts | bluebrother: looks good to me |
| 21:58:40 | bluebrother | I hope those windows kids can cope with the screenshots made on linux ;-) |
| 21:59:23 | gevaerts | They can, but what about the OSX kids? |
| 21:59:42 | bluebrother | well, those are such a minority ... ;-) |
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| 22:01:03 | bluebrother | really nice that rbutil now detects unsupported Ipods. |
| 22:01:59 | gevaerts | Indeed. You can consider that tested now :) |
| 22:02:16 | GodEater_ | Llorean: you realise "he" is the original poster in the ipod skipping thread ? |
| 22:02:23 | bluebrother | I did test it. I made my pendrive being an unsupported Ipod :) |
| 22:02:55 | amiconn | Ah, linuxstb da breakah is back |
| 22:03:23 | Llorean | GodEater_: Oops |
| 22:03:27 | GodEater_ | when did amiconn become a gansta rapper ? |
| 22:03:31 | Llorean | I read "same problem" and assumed different person. |
| 22:03:38 | Llorean | Otherwise I'd have expected "still have the problem" |
| 22:03:47 | * | GodEater_ is here to help Llorean avoid looking silly |
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| 22:14:22 | gevaerts | bluebrother: maybe the wording on that first dialog can be a bit better. Would it be hard to distinguish between "no configuration" and "invalid/wrong configuration" and give a friendly "welcome to rockbox, you need to setup some things" message in the first case? |
| 22:14:41 | * | gevaerts also asks domonoky |
| 22:15:16 | domonoky | gevaerts: sure.. feel free to modify.. :-) |
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| 22:16:50 | shotofadds | GodEater_: do we have a concept of "supported" codecs now? |
| 22:16:59 | * | Nico_P was thinking the same as gevaerts |
| 22:17:09 | * | gevaerts is looking at the source |
| 22:18:21 | shotofadds | gevaerts: while you're there, a minor nit-pick: "allow you to correcting" should be "allow you to correct" |
| 22:18:35 | GodEater_ | shotofadds: not really, but we have ones which work better than others |
| 22:18:56 | shotofadds | yeah, it's just that s-word again... |
| 22:19:47 | GodEater_ | feel free to change my wording ;) |
| 22:20:06 | gevaerts | shotofadds: I'm on it :) |
| 22:20:27 | GodEater_ | shotofadds: that better ? |
| 22:20:47 | shotofadds | spot on |
| 22:21:00 | Nico_P | bluebrother: nice guide :) I'm not sure WikiManual is the best parent for it though |
| 22:23:48 | Lear | Nico_P: Looked at the patch yet? (FS #9164) |
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| 22:24:51 | Nico_P | Lear: yes, but I'm not really in shape to think serioulsy about which mutex locks are really necessary |
| 22:25:16 | MarcGuay | Anyone feel like testing a new keymap for the iPod recording screen? |
| 22:25:19 | Nico_P | Lear: have you tried to isolate the ones that actually fix your issue? |
| 22:25:48 | MarcGuay | http://pastebin.com/d58a8c2d8 |
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| 22:28:35 | * | gevaerts has fixed the easy bit : the correcting thing. Now the hard bit... |
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| 22:30:04 | Lear | Nico_P: Not really. I do know that the one in bufopen wasn't enough though. Maybe not required either. :) |
| 22:30:08 | gevaerts | bluebrother, domonoky: would adding a boolean field to indicate whether the current config comes from a file (set to true on sync()) to rbsettings be a good way to solve this ? |
| 22:30:08 | bluebrother | gevaerts: I think some source texts could get made better. Starting from obvious errors ("plenken") up to no-really-user-compatible wording |
| 22:30:53 | bluebrother | gevaerts: I think the better solution is to add a new "welcome" screen. |
| 22:31:19 | gevaerts | Yes, but that still needs no-existing-config detection |
| 22:31:21 | bluebrother | that would include a "don't remind me again" button which is such a flag. It could also inform the user if permissions are missing or similar |
| 22:31:25 | Nico_P | Lear: yeah I'm not sure the one in bufopen is required |
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| 22:31:52 | bluebrother | also, I wanted to make this screen re-appear on each update so we can present the users a changelog |
| 22:32:15 | * | gevaerts is starting to think that this may not be a five minute fix |
| 22:32:38 | bluebrother | yep, that's the reason I haven't done it |
| 22:32:47 | bluebrother | but its on my todo list |
| 22:33:17 | gevaerts | Then I'd probably better not do a quick fix now, to avoid interfering with whatever you come up with |
| 22:33:38 | gevaerts | It's just a bit of ugliness after all, not a critical bug |
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| 22:34:14 | Nico_P | Lear: add_handle already handles the mutex, and there's nothing that yields in bufopen apart from what was already protected |
| 22:34:27 | Nico_P | so I don't think the changes there are needed |
| 22:34:47 | Nico_P | also, what about the last hunk? |
| 22:35:06 | Lear | Nico_P: I added that mainly because add_handle and load_bitmap both mess around with various "globals". And mutex_lock can yield, can't it? |
| 22:35:14 | domonoky | gevaerts: you could start with a "bool firstStart()" function in the setting object, and show a nicer Dialog on first Start... |
| 22:35:21 | bluebrother | gevaerts: feel free to open a task in the tracker as a reminder ;-) |
| 22:35:24 | domonoky | this Diaglog can the be improved later.. :-) |
| 22:35:37 | bluebrother | domonoky: I want to save the current version info instead ... |
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| 22:36:47 | Nico_P | Lear: no, it doesn't yield. even is they both touch the same vars, it's not really a problem as long as they do it sequentially, which is already guaranteed |
| 22:37:29 | gevaerts | So maybe a QString curVersion() function, and a new dialog if that is nonexistent or different from the software version ? |
| 22:37:36 | Lear | Nico_P: shrink_buffer walks the handle list and moves them around. |
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| 22:39:45 | Nico_P | Lear: the moving is already protected by the mutex, inside (move_handle) |
| 22:39:57 | domonoky | gevaerts: for me this sounds good... lets see if bluebrother has other plans :-) |
| 22:40:55 | bluebrother | domonoky: you know I'm not happy with the settings object anyway |
| 22:41:16 | * | gevaerts doesn't volunteer to rewrite _that_ |
| 22:41:16 | domonoky | yes, it could need some improvement... |
| 22:41:32 | * | bluebrother would do it but still has the bootloader class to finish |
| 22:42:14 | Nico_P | Lear: actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm starting to think that maybe none of those additional mutexes are needed and that the only issue was m being made out of date by shrink_handle |
| 22:42:28 | domonoky | but it doesnt hurt to add another function to it, till we find time to redesing it.. :-) |
| 22:42:39 | bluebrother | agreed |
| 22:44:05 | * | gevaerts goes ahead, and hopes to have a patch ready to review in a few decaminutes |
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| 22:48:18 | Lear | Nico_P: Possibly. On the other hand, if the albumart bufopen was done too quickly, I got the abort - while doing the initial buffering. Would shrink_handle really do anything in that case? |
| 22:52:23 | Nico_P | maybe it moves the audio handle, yes |
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| 22:55:52 | Nico_P | Lear: would you mind trying without the added mutex calls? |
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| 22:56:15 | Nico_P | I'm curious to know whether it would still work, although I have doubts |
| 22:56:23 | Lear | I'm working on it. Need to reproduce it first... :) |
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| 22:56:53 | Nico_P | all right :) |
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| 22:59:57 | gevaerts | bluebrother, domonoky: where is the configuration file saved ? |
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| 23:01:04 | bluebrother | ~/.config/rockbox.org/RockboxUtility.ini |
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| 23:01:21 | domonoky | depends on the plattform... |
| 23:01:28 | * | gevaerts found it |
| 23:01:40 | gevaerts | I just wanted to check if my new string is in it |
| 23:01:47 | * | bluebrother simply assumed linux :) |
| 23:04:55 | domonoky | this link shows where its store on the different plattforms (we use ini format) http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qsettings.html#platform-specific-notes |
| 23:09:18 | Nico_P | Lear: btw, thanks for looking into the code... it's always good to have some fresh eyes :) |
| 23:14:04 | Lear | Nico_P: You're welcome. But now I can't reproduce it. Sometimes it is easy, sometimes not... |
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| 23:28:00 | * | gevaerts wants to know why this thing doesn't want to work |
| 23:29:33 | gevaerts | bluebrother: if I do a settings->setWhatever(); just before a settings->sync(); shouldn't the new setting be saved? |
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| 23:30:31 | * | gevaerts has a suspicion of what might be wrong |
| 23:35:42 | gevaerts | bluebrother: around? |
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| 23:37:30 | gevaerts | bluebrother: patch at http://pastebin.ca/1065026. Do you want me to commit it, or just open an FS task? |
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| 23:39:04 | * | gevaerts has been searching for at least twenty minutes why two strings were different. Turns out that for some strange reason __TIME__ changes everytime you build, and can be different for different files |
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| 23:39:09 | bluebrother | gevaerts: sorry, was distracted for a bit |
| 23:40:01 | bluebrother | looks nice. Go for it! |
| 23:40:09 | gevaerts | bluebrother: no problem. I lost more time to being stupid than to your distraction :) |
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| 23:41:26 | goffa | hmm... may have found a bug on my gigabeat, but i'm having trouble isolating it.. i use the random folder advance, when i advance to the next folder using short right/long right it goes to the next folder but i get no audio |
| 23:41:35 | goffa | the song plays, but silently |
| 23:41:42 | goffa | if i restart the track using back, it plays |
| 23:41:53 | goffa | doesn't do that every time |
| 23:42:47 | goffa | also... when i do short left long left it doesn't go back to the previous dir.. just to a random one |
| 23:42:53 | goffa | don't know if its supposed to |
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| 23:44:10 | goffa | guess that's two bugs.. but i don't know if the second one is a bug :) |
| 23:44:11 | MarcGuay | goffa: If it's random, I'd expect it to be random in both directions, I guess. |
| 23:44:47 | PaulJam | goffa: for the first issue see FS #9152, the second one is intended. |
| 23:44:58 | goffa | ok |
| 23:45:17 | goffa | although.. random backwards should go back imo |
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| 23:46:02 | goffa | but might be too much code on the other hand |
| 23:46:25 | linuxstb | So what's the difference between random forwards and random backwards? |
| 23:46:56 | PaulJam | there is no difference (in the current implementation) |
| 23:46:57 | goffa | well... backwards shouldn't be random |
| 23:47:00 | goffa | :) |
| 23:47:23 | linuxstb | So what's the point in the two button mappings? Why not just use one? |
| 23:47:52 | PaulJam | linuxstb: for non-random dirskip |
| 23:48:19 | linuxstb | IMO, skipping backwards should be disabled in random mode then - or fixed. |
| 23:49:03 | Nico_P | goffa: play/pause will "fix" the no sound issue. could you add a comment to the task PaulJam linked you to with a description of how you got it? |
| 23:49:15 | MarcGuay | goffa: Does the same thing happen if you use the combo-keypress? |
| 23:49:34 | goffa | hmm... i never do that.. let me try a couple times |
| 23:49:52 | MarcGuay | goffa: Curious about both issues... |
| 23:50:40 | goffa | just did it about 20 times |
| 23:50:42 | PaulJam | Nico_P: when you got the issue, did you use the PLAY + LEFT/RIGHT buttoncombo or the short - long combo? |
| 23:50:43 | goffa | combo |
| 23:50:49 | goffa | no error |
| 23:51:12 | Nico_P | PaulJam: actually I haven't gotten it that way for a long time because I never skip dirs |
| 23:51:12 | goffa | so it would seem that its just short right long right |
| 23:51:19 | goffa | i didn't try combo left |
| 23:51:20 | Nico_P | s/for/in |
| 23:51:25 | goffa | mostly because i don't care :) |
| 23:51:26 | MarcGuay | goffa: And does it random backwards as well? |
| 23:51:32 | goffa | i can do it |
| 23:52:57 | goffa | ok.. combo left seems to work too |
| 23:53:11 | goffa | let me try short left long left |
| 23:53:16 | MarcGuay | goffa: It goes to the previous album non-randomly? |
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| 23:54:03 | goffa | MarcGuay: it goes to a random album |
| 23:54:13 | goffa | however.. there seems to be consistant sound |
| 23:54:43 | MarcGuay | goffa: The difference between the two seems to be in gwps.c starting at line 390. |
| 23:54:44 | goffa | i hope that made sense |
| 23:57:54 | MarcGuay | Line 363, actually, for the skip fwd. |
| 23:58:28 | goffa | here's the way i think it should behave... maybe i'm illogical... left: beginning of track, double left: last track of previous album. combo or short long first track of previous album |
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