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| 00:06:11 | shotofadds | MarcGuay: is that with the v3 patch against current svn? do you know if there are different c100 hardware revisions? |
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| 00:11:13 | MarcGuay | shotofadds: I tried both yours and lowlight's. The only difference I can think of is that his is a 140 and mine's a 150. Which, now that I realize we're dealing with the NAND flash, would probably make a difference... |
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| 00:13:25 | stripwax | Should I be concerned/worry/carry when objdump reports that a function in a codec is in the ".iram" section rather than ".icode"? Or is that just how it works for arm? |
| 00:13:30 | stripwax | ^carry^care |
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| 00:19:06 | linuxstb | stripwax: What does the .map file say for that codec? |
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| 00:21:28 | stripwax | linuxstb - the map file doesn't list all of the functions, but does show a number in .icode section |
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| 00:22:09 | stripwax | ^a number of functions, of course, not just a decimal.. |
| 00:22:32 | stripwax | but objdump doesn't seem to make a distinction between icode/irodata/etc |
| 00:23:05 | stripwax | only iram/ibss |
| 00:23:49 | shotofadds | MarcGuay: the capacity shouldn't matter - i'd expect it to show a different NAND chip id. does your c150 have the same firmware version as the c140 (just so we can discount different h/w versions as per m200)? |
| 00:23:49 | linuxstb | stripwax: That seems fine - the .lds file specifies .iram and .ibss. .iram contains .icode, .irodata and .idata |
| 00:25:04 | stripwax | Ok, thanks. Just tying together the various pieces needed for profiling |
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| 00:34:28 | stripwax | So I guess I can parse the map file to work out which flavour of objdump to execute on the object file ("architecture: arm" => arm-elf-objdump; ...); or is there an easier way? |
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| 00:40:49 | xxbatman94xx | does anybody know what the status is on the lcd fix for the ipod photo |
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| 00:43:08 | DerPapst | r17988 doesn't make sense. at least not for the page up and page down buttons. |
| 00:43:26 | linuxstb | DerPapst: It's been discussed here earlier... |
| 00:43:27 | DerPapst | (changing sim buttons for the iPod sim) |
| 00:43:31 | DerPapst | ah ok |
| 00:43:46 | linuxstb | Although I'm not sure what the conclusion was... MarcGuay ? |
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| 00:45:09 | DerPapst | can you point me at the time? |
| 00:45:29 | MarcGuay | linuxstb, DerPapst: I don't think a conclusion was reached. The proper solution is going to take a while, so we have a choice now between two bad fixes. |
| 00:45:56 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Starting at about 19:10 CEST |
| 00:46:24 | linuxstb | MarcGuay: Am I right in thinking that the up/down keys now scroll in the opposite directions in lists? |
| 00:46:36 | DerPapst | yes |
| 00:46:37 | linuxstb | (i.e. unintuitively) |
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| 00:46:42 | DerPapst | that's why it's confusing |
| 00:47:05 | linuxstb | Then I would vote for reverting the change to the sim, and fixing the background image at some point. |
| 00:47:15 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: Yes, but it's correct with the background image. Those are the choices, depends which one you think is more valuable, bad instructions or bad inuitivity (is that a word?) |
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| 00:47:24 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: That's fine with me. |
| 00:48:37 | linuxstb | Looking at the images, a quick-and-dirty fix to the bmps should be possible.... |
| 00:48:47 | scorche|sh | linuxstb: do you still think you can have a look at working on the themes site a bit more in a week or 2? |
| 00:49:27 | linuxstb | scorche|sh: Yes. At the very least, I'll clean up the code and publish it, but I expect I will also do some work as well. |
| 00:50:07 | scorche|sh | linuxstb: ok...thanks |
| 00:50:19 | MarcGuay | shotofadds: There may be a hardware difference. I cannot upgrade/downgrade to firmware v1.0.005A from v2.0008A. We should verify that lowlight's is running v1. |
| 00:50:23 | * | linuxstb decides to edit the ipod sim backdrops... |
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| 00:57:23 | DerPapst | btw, battleship works pretty well for the iPod video already. :) |
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| 01:00:13 | PurityOfEssence | can anyone tell me what the default theme is? (i decided i quite liked it) |
| 01:01:22 | DerPapst | cabbie v2.0 |
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| 01:03:30 | PurityOfEssence | thanks :) |
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| 01:04:38 | PaulJam | DerPapst: i'm just wondering, was it intended that rockblox1d doesn't start with a score of 0? |
| 01:04:43 | PurityOfEssence | great stuff all, good work |
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| 01:05:49 | DerPapst | PaulJam: yes. but i figured a random score would be more fun :P |
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| 01:27:46 | linuxstb | MarcGuay: Committed... (reverted your commit and fixed the bitmaps) |
| 01:33:09 | MarcGuay | Does anybody know who ended up with DavideNYC's c100? I'm wondering what firmware version it's running. linuxstb: You work quick. :) That's definitely closer to perfect than the other 2 options. |
| 01:34:08 | linuxstb | MarcGuay: What were the other 2 options? Maybe I've misunderstood... |
| 01:34:40 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: Having the background image lie to you or have your instincts lie to you. :) |
| 01:34:44 | stripwax | Added http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9170 : fixes building profiling builds on (at least) ipod video; fixes to profiling code and tools |
| 01:36:19 | linuxstb | MarcGuay: I've got that c100 - or at least, the bits from it... All DavideNYC sent me was the motherboard, with the battery terminals removed. So it's going to need a little repairing to hook power up to it. |
| 01:37:15 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: Okay. I'm just thinking that if there was a hardware revision and I have a different version than that one, I might have to break mine open. |
| 01:37:40 | MarcGuay | I'm looking at tarsius' photos now to see if there are any differences. |
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| 01:38:33 | linuxstb | MarcGuay: I haven't been keeping up - am I right in thinking there is some code that detects the NAND successfully on one c100 but not on yours? |
| 01:38:39 | stripwax | Added http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9171 : turn the Cube into the Cobra Mk III from Elite |
| 01:38:50 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: Yep. |
| 01:38:53 | stripwax | Sorry, no lighting effects yet :) |
| 01:38:57 | linuxstb | stripwax: Now that's the patch I've been waiting for ;) |
| 01:39:00 | stripwax | haha |
| 01:39:10 | linuxstb | Screenshot? |
| 01:39:24 | stripwax | Seriously, it's been around a while, but figured since I'm posting a patch anyways I might as well stick this one up too :) |
| 01:39:33 | stripwax | One sec for screenshot, will have to build sim.. |
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| 01:41:19 | linuxstb | stripwax: Don't worry, I can try it out... |
| 01:41:44 | Kinky | I made a huge vista discovery today after working all day to get rockbox installed I finally got it to work! |
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| 01:42:13 | linuxstb | stripwax: Fun ;) |
| 01:42:14 | stripwax | Got rockbox to work; or got Vista to work? :) |
| 01:42:35 | linuxstb | stripwax: How fast is it on a real target? |
| 01:42:47 | stripwax | linuxstb- pretty slow on ipod 5g.. |
| 01:42:52 | Kinky | after plugging it in, and watching vista "find" it, I right clicked on it in my computer, told it to load as portable device! |
| 01:43:02 | stripwax | time to hand-optimise the triangle filling code.. |
| 01:43:05 | kushal_12_27_200 | Hello, I noticed that the rbutilqt was updated at http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/macosx/ but my Intel Macbook with 10.4.11 still won't work with it |
| 01:43:07 | Kinky | and then used the rockbox utility and it worked like a charm |
| 01:43:32 | kushal_12_27_200 | Kinky, how did you get rbutilqt to work on your mac? |
| 01:43:58 | stripwax | linuxstb - Cube doesn't report its own fps though (or does it?) |
| 01:44:02 | kushal_12_27_200 | I mean 1.0.4 works on my computer but not 1.0.5 or 1.0.6 |
| 01:44:08 | Kinky | I have fink installed and it already had the required lib files |
| 01:44:20 | kushal_12_27_200 | how do I install fink? |
| 01:44:21 | Kinky | and I have Leopard if that matters |
| 01:44:26 | kushal_12_27_200 | oh ... |
| 01:44:31 | Kinky | google for it, I've had it for so long I forgot |
| 01:44:35 | Kinky | but it's an easy install |
| 01:44:52 | linuxstb | stripwax: I don't know |
| 01:44:53 | Kinky | fink makes installing things of the *nix family sooooo easy on mac |
| 01:45:29 | stripwax | linuxstb - I just meant, does the cube plugin show the framerate |
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| 01:45:42 | stripwax | because I didn't think it did, but to be honest haven't actually looked |
| 01:46:04 | linuxstb | Not by default at least... |
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| 01:47:15 | kushal_12_27_200 | is it possible to play the audio only from an mp4 video using rockbox in the sansa c250? |
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| 01:49:41 | scorche|sh | depends on what is...blah |
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| 01:53:24 | * | stripwax continues to build sim .. time passes .. |
| 01:53:26 | PaulJam | stripwax: could it be that this MEM_FUNCTION_WRAPPERS(rb); thing is needed in your cube patch? i get an error during compiling. |
| 01:54:25 | stripwax | What's the error? |
| 01:54:52 | PaulJam | undefined reference to `memcpy' |
| 01:54:52 | stripwax | I've probably ballsed the patch if that is indeed a problem |
| 01:54:59 | stripwax | memcpy.. hm.. one sec.. |
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| 01:55:52 | stripwax | Hm, I'm not using memcpy .. |
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| 01:57:21 | stripwax | PaulJam - any more info on where you're getting that error, what platform/build type? |
| 01:57:41 | PaulJam | h300 normal build |
| 01:58:33 | PaulJam | when i add that macro then it compiles fine |
| 01:59:47 | stripwax | That is very strange, as I don't have that macro, and cube.c doesn't use memcpy, and builds fine for me (on ipod5g normal build). Is there a specific line it complains about? wonder if gcc is inserting a secret memcpy inside some structure initialiser or something |
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| 02:00:58 | PaulJam | http://pastebin.ca/1066052 |
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| 02:03:16 | stripwax | That's pretty crazy, it shouldn't need that macro |
| 02:03:53 | safetydan | yeah gcc will do that to you if you're not careful |
| 02:04:06 | stripwax | I bet its this line: "const struct shape myshape = shapes[1]" |
| 02:04:36 | stripwax | PaulJam - if you delete that line, and replace myshape below it with shapes[1], does it work? |
| 02:04:48 | Kinky | well not to be a kill joy but although I got vista to install rockbox on the r series I cannot get the boot loader to work |
| 02:04:58 | stripwax | Btw user-selectable shapes (increment/decrement shapes index) would be neat.. |
| 02:05:08 | stripwax | and pretty trivial.. |
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| 02:09:11 | PaulJam | stripwax: should i replace every occurance of myshape with shapes[1] ? |
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| 02:09:23 | stripwax | screenshot at www.beermex.com/cobra3.png |
| 02:10:19 | stripwax | PaulJam - only on lines 754 and 766-768 |
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| 02:11:13 | stripwax | although that doesn't really show off that the faces are nontriangular :) |
| 02:11:29 | stripwax | (because those ones all are..) |
| 02:13:05 | stripwax | http://www.beermex.com/cobra3_2.png shows it off a bit better |
| 02:14:20 | PaulJam | stripwax: still doesn't work, but the location slightly changed: "cube.c:(.text+0x2c4): undefined reference to `memcpy'" |
| 02:14:47 | Kinky | is there a way to get the e200r series to use the bootloader or does anyone know? I've tried all the hints I can find |
| 02:15:44 | Llorean | Kinky: I don't understand what you're asking. |
| 02:15:46 | scorche|sh | eh? |
| 02:15:52 | Llorean | The installation instructions are instructions of installing the bootloader. |
| 02:16:30 | Kinky | well I was able to get rockbox to "install" and I can even get all the extras like themes to install and I can see the files when I explore there but it still boots into rhapsody |
| 02:16:38 | Kinky | so I am assuming it's a bootloader issue |
| 02:17:03 | Llorean | Well "installing" rockbox is just unzipping a file to the player |
| 02:17:04 | scorche|sh | does rbutil say that the bootloader was installed successfully? |
| 02:17:11 | Kinky | yes it does |
| 02:17:15 | Llorean | scorche|sh: rbutil doesn't work with -R series, I thought |
| 02:17:23 | scorche|sh | Llorean: i wouldnt know |
| 02:17:32 | Kinky | I saw a few places that said yes and some that say no so I gave it a whirl |
| 02:17:48 | scorche|sh | Kinky: try the manual install method as mentioned in the manual |
| 02:17:58 | stripwax | PaulJam - sigh, right.. in that case it's confirmed what I suspected, and the following would also need to change: line 599, change to const struct shape * myshape line 605-610, change myshape.faces to myshape->faces etc , line 768 chahge to cube_draw(&myshape). That'll probably scotch it |
| 02:18:00 | Kinky | I am headed there next actually thanks |
| 02:18:18 | stripwax | Odd that it works for me without that macro though |
| 02:18:37 | Llorean | On a completely unrelated note: |
| 02:19:20 | Llorean | How do we feel about the Voice UI in regard to the release? Do we advertise it as a major feature, or because it's buggy do we play it down and mention it's "there, but not finalized" or something? |
| 02:20:59 | PaulJam | stripwax: have you tried compiling for the h300? |
| 02:21:30 | PaulJam | btw, should i undo the previous changes first? |
| 02:21:41 | stripwax | no, but my build machine is this laptop and I'm still recompiling for sim. I'll have an updated patch in a moment |
| 02:21:50 | stripwax | this laptop is not a powerful laptop |
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| 02:28:23 | stripwax | PaulJam - patch updated |
| 02:28:31 | PaulJam | ok |
| 02:30:37 | PaulJam | compiles fine now |
| 02:35:09 | stripwax | cool :) |
| 02:35:48 | stripwax | now, I really must go to bed, as I'm up again in 6 hours.. night! |
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| 02:36:38 | MarcGuay | Llorean: Any idea if RButil has a useful message if you try to install on an R series? |
| 02:36:57 | MarcGuay | Kinky: What did RBUtil say when you selected "Install bootloader"? |
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| 02:38:14 | Llorean | MarcGuay: No clue. I've got minimal experience with an R. |
| 02:38:28 | Kinky | it says it's installed but it still boots to the sansa software |
| 02:38:57 | MarcGuay | That's not so great. bat-signal to bluebrother. |
| 02:39:02 | Kinky | LOL |
| 02:39:33 | MarcGuay | Kinky: To install the bootloader on the R you need to follow the instructions in the wiki, which are linked to from the manual. |
| 02:39:59 | MarcGuay | They may be slightly different for Vista. It would be nice if you could document those differences. |
| 02:40:03 | Kinky | I did thrice, exactly as they were listed and still it won't kick into the bootloader |
| 02:40:13 | MarcGuay | Crummy. |
| 02:40:17 | Kinky | I'd love to if I could get it to work haha |
| 02:40:33 | MarcGuay | You verified that it's a true-Rhapsody and not a v2 model? |
| 02:40:38 | Kinky | oh yeah |
| 02:40:55 | Kinky | I'm thiiiiissssssss close to a total format haha |
| 02:41:15 | MarcGuay | That's probably a waste of time. |
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| 02:42:09 | Kinky | yeah but it makes me feel better |
| 02:42:11 | MarcGuay | Llorean: What's the difference between the ipod rebooting to the OF for charging & file transfer and the Sansas? |
| 02:42:22 | Llorean | Kinky: When you copy the PP5022.mi4 to your sansa, does it say on its own screen that it's updating the firmware, after you unplug it? |
| 02:42:33 | Kinky | yes |
| 02:42:46 | Llorean | Kinky: And WHICH PP5022.mi4 is it that you've copied over? |
| 02:42:53 | MarcGuay | Kinky: And you're sure you've renamed the files are directed? |
| 02:42:58 | Llorean | If you're not getting Rockbox, it's very likely that you're just copying over an unmodified one. |
| 02:43:08 | Kinky | renamed yes, not sure what you mean by which on the mi4 |
| 02:43:25 | Llorean | Kinky: You're supposed to download two PP5022.MI4 files, one from a .zip and one directly |
| 02:43:36 | Kinky | two? |
| 02:43:39 | Kinky | hmmmm interesting |
| 02:43:45 | Kinky | I only read about one |
| 02:43:48 | Llorean | MarcGuay: iPods have a disk mode that's stored in ROM. Even if the disk is completely removed, it'll still work. This is what we reboot to, rather than a full version of the OF. |
| 02:44:02 | Llorean | Kinky: I see it very clearly in the windows instructions here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallationFromWindows |
| 02:44:11 | Kinky | I'm sure I just overlooked it |
| 02:44:12 | Llorean | The linux ones link to the same file |
| 02:44:16 | Llorean | s |
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| 02:44:49 | MarcGuay | Llorean: I see. And you find that it causes less user confusion than the Sansas? |
| 02:44:57 | Kinky | I'm checking again |
| 02:45:04 | Llorean | MarcGuay: I think both cause significant user confusion |
| 02:45:08 | d1sturb | WPS no longer shows up. Can anyone help me? |
| 02:45:10 | Llorean | The iPod one probably causes MORE |
| 02:45:24 | Llorean | Mostly because it's monochrome, so they think it's something we made mocked up to look like the OF USB |
| 02:45:30 | MarcGuay | d1sturb: Syntax changed, check the CustomWPS wiki page. |
| 02:45:31 | Llorean | People consistently think it's part of our software. |
| 02:45:37 | MarcGuay | %P, %pb and %m. |
| 02:45:47 | d1sturb | Thanks |
| 02:46:10 | Llorean | The reason I differentiated the Sansas in my earlier comments was because Rockbox USB mode on Sansa can cause whole filesystem corruption, while other PP devices should be safe |
| 02:46:13 | MarcGuay | Llorean: That's odd. I guess they never see it if they still with the Apple soft. |
| 02:46:47 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Exactly. Normally you never see it unless you hold a key combo while booting, but once you install Rockbox you see it any time you plug in a USB cable. To those not in the know, it's just Rockbox's USB screen. |
| 02:47:10 | MarcGuay | I was referring to the line in your 3.0 email: "specifically Rockbox not charging while connected". |
| 02:47:38 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Ah, that's something different entirely |
| 02:47:46 | MarcGuay | Or do you mean when charging-only mode is initiated? |
| 02:47:49 | Llorean | Exactly |
| 02:47:56 | MarcGuay | Gotcha. |
| 02:48:22 | Llorean | Since charge-only mode will also be entered if Rockbox detects a "real" charger (USB plug into a wall adapter) when it's possible to detect such |
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| 02:50:40 | Llorean | + |
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| 02:55:30 | MarcGuay | Llorean: Instead of not releasing targets we could just disabled features like that that aren't working fully yet. I think that was discussed earlier... |
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| 02:56:34 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Some features might be considered "fundamental" though (such as being able to charge your player). It's a matter for discussion what is "fundamental" and what can be dropped while still allowing for a release. |
| 02:56:59 | MarcGuay | If it's possible a splash with "Charging isn't working yet blah blah" could do the trick. Yep. Something to think about for sure... |
| 02:57:12 | Llorean | Personally, I'm for providing 3.0 binaries for all targets, but only marking some of them as "Supported" by the release, and the rest as "beta" |
| 02:57:35 | Llorean | It should be pretty easy to make it clear in the release announcement and page which set are which. |
| 02:57:57 | MarcGuay | Llorean: I think as long as the big weird things are mentionned in very obvious places, it should work out okay |
| 02:58:47 | Llorean | Anyway, that's why I want to compile everyone's opinions on what target-specific blockers exist. |
| 02:59:07 | Llorean | Then, when it's decision time, there's a lot more data available. |
| 02:59:53 | Llorean | If one or two targets have a lot of problems that I'm just not remembering, I'm more likely to be in favour of kicking them out, while if it's just a general "each target has one or two major quirks" situation then it's a bit different. |
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| 03:01:10 | Kinky | ok, did it all again, and shazam! it's working.... thanks so very much!!! it had to be that I duplicated the two files instead of grabbing two separate files.... |
| 03:03:29 | kushal_12_27_200 | any update on libusb for rbutildqt 1.0.6 on Intel Macbook with mac os x Tiger? do we use this libusb? http://libusb.wiki.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:07:35 | Kinky | awesome! awesome! awesome! I now have rockbox AND rhapsody in a dual boot mode and all is well in my world.... I can't say thanks enough to you for all the help |
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| 03:10:54 | MarcGuay | linuxstb__: The sim bitmaps look good. |
| 03:15:20 | unpaidbill | are there any slick additional themes for rockbox? |
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| 03:16:13 | Llorean | unpaidbill: Yes. |
| 03:16:27 | unpaidbill | excellent |
| 03:16:33 | unpaidbill | any with nudity? |
| 03:16:48 | DerPapst | lol? |
| 03:16:58 | scorche | UncleRem1s: uhhhh...seriously now.. |
| 03:17:02 | scorche | whoops |
| 03:17:03 | DerPapst | i guess you have to make those yourself |
| 03:17:14 | unpaidbill | damn |
| 03:17:32 | MarcGuay | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PastedImagesForFourms |
| 03:17:37 | unpaidbill | i want the battery bar to be a penis that gets shorter as the battery is nearly dead, etc |
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| 03:17:44 | MarcGuay | GodEater is a weird dude. |
| 03:18:03 | scorche | maraz_: needs to learn to spell too ;) |
| 03:18:14 | scorche | .. |
| 03:18:28 | * | scorche is having issues with tab-complete today |
| 03:18:31 | Llorean | unpaidbill: You can do that. See the CustomWPS wiki page and you can learn how. |
| 03:18:59 | unpaidbill | fantastic |
| 03:19:06 | maraz_ | scorche: mrr. |
| 03:19:14 | unpaidbill | setting it up for a porno dude |
| 03:19:18 | scorche | sorry for waking you :) |
| 03:19:20 | unpaidbill | he has odd requests |
| 03:19:31 | scorche | unpaidbill: please stay on topic |
| 03:19:39 | unpaidbill | oops, my apologies |
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| 03:22:59 | unpaidbill | is there an ipod 80GB wit hvideo that isnt supported by rockbox? ipodpatcher.exe says it doesnt detect the ipod that i have mounted up and just copied the .rockbox directory onto! |
| 03:23:25 | scorche | the classic comes in 80GB versions |
| 03:24:02 | unpaidbill | well according to the rockbox/apple page i have an ipod video 80gb.. but it doesnt appear to be detecting it |
| 03:24:10 | Llorean | unpaidbill: Is the default list of tracks full screen or does it only take up half the screen? |
| 03:24:10 | unpaidbill | gonna try the rockbox utility deal |
| 03:24:21 | unpaidbill | half the screen |
| 03:24:27 | Llorean | Then it's an 80gb Classic, not an 80gb Video |
| 03:24:29 | unpaidbill | the other half is some annoying picture |
| 03:24:31 | Llorean | Sorry, but Rockbox will not run on it. |
| 03:24:41 | unpaidbill | it plays video |
| 03:24:45 | unpaidbill | but it's a classic? |
| 03:24:49 | Llorean | Yes, the "Classic" plays video |
| 03:24:53 | unpaidbill | oh |
| 03:24:54 | Llorean | Apple has a rather stupid naming scheme. |
| 03:24:56 | unpaidbill | well damn |
| 03:24:58 | scorche | the video is a specific version |
| 03:24:59 | unpaidbill | thanks :( |
| 03:25:14 | Llorean | Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the Classic basically is stuck with the Apple software, and probably will be for some time. |
| 03:25:25 | unpaidbill | unfortunate, i like rockbox :( |
| 03:25:52 | unpaidbill | i guess this means im stuck with itunes on this thing... maybe i can sell it |
| 03:26:03 | unpaidbill | anyone want to buy an 80gb classic ipod :P |
| 03:26:46 | scorche | again with the off-topicness... |
| 03:27:45 | Kinky | I LOVE this!! |
| 03:28:05 | DerPapst | the off-topicness? |
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| 03:28:15 | Kinky | haha no the program |
| 03:28:22 | Kinky | my first day of attempting install |
| 03:28:30 | scorche | rockbox isnt a program ;) |
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| 03:30:59 | MarcGuay | Rockbox is love |
| 03:31:25 | kushal_12_27_200 | yay |
| 03:33:53 | Kinky | I must totally agree |
| 03:33:58 | Kinky | this is way too much fun |
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| 03:38:38 | MarcGuay | If anyone ever wants to filter Flyspray for feature requests, this link is handy: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=1. |
| 03:40:57 | * | Llorean thinks the quick link to feature requests should still be there. |
| 03:41:42 | MarcGuay | There's no harm in looking at them. |
| 03:42:00 | Llorean | Especially once it's pared down to a list of "endorsed" ones. |
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| 03:42:59 | MarcGuay | Any idea if the e200R not being rejected is a sansapatcher or RBUtil issue? |
| 03:43:13 | MarcGuay | Thinking of opening a task for it. |
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| 03:43:40 | Llorean | I'm not wholly sure that it isn't currently impossible to distinguish them from the host side. |
| 03:45:15 | MarcGuay | So if people are pointed straight to RButil for installation instead of the manual, those big red warnings should probably be on that page as well... |
| 03:45:33 | Llorean | Probably, yes. |
| 03:45:41 | Llorean | I could be wrong though about whether it's possible |
| 03:46:09 | MarcGuay | Do bluebrother and domonoky read the logs? |
| 03:47:00 | Llorean | Don't know, honestly |
| 03:47:15 | scorche | one way to find out... |
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| 03:50:26 | kushal_12_27_200 | any update on libusb for rbutildqt 1.0.6 on Intel Macbook with mac os x Tiger? do we use this libusb? http://libusb.wiki.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 03:50:56 | Llorean | kushal_12_27_200: You really don't need to be asking that so often. |
| 03:51:43 | Llorean | If you want to be kept abreast, file a bug report and then you'll get email notifications when the status changes. Otherwise simply have some patience, the people who'd be working on it ought to be sleeping right now. |
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| 04:05:25 | d1sturb | I'm back, had to go for a while. Anyway, the WPS was just working 2 days ago and now it's a basic WPS. =/ |
| 04:07:37 | MarcGuay | d1sturb: Didn't I explain it to you? |
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| 04:08:50 | MarcGuay | d1sturb: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17507.0 |
| 04:10:18 | d1sturb | Thank you, that link was more direct. |
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| 04:28:29 | newbie1k-nobe | Hello, I'm new at Rockbox but I love it, just have a small question about themes.... Can someone help me?Γ |
| 04:28:46 | MarcGuay | Ask away. |
| 04:28:55 | newbie1k-nobe | Thanks! |
| 04:29:21 | d1sturb | Looks like no themes were updated since the change =/ |
| 04:29:27 | d1sturb | ...atleast for the nano |
| 04:29:36 | newbie1k-nobe | First, Sansa e200 V1, 2gb + 2gb microSD |
| 04:30:33 | newbie1k-nobe | The default theme is fine (Now playing window) but when I load a theme, icons are all gone. |
| 04:30:45 | newbie1k-nobe | I know, beginners question!!! |
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| 04:31:44 | newbie1k-nobe | I see a progress bar and VU bars but all the rest is text. |
| 04:31:53 | MarcGuay | newbie1k-nobe: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17507.0 |
| 04:32:38 | MarcGuay | newbie1k-nobe: You've timing is unfortunate, as d1sturb is learning as well, a change was made recently that broke a lot of themes. |
| 04:32:53 | newbie1k-nobe | ehh I need some help to understand this! |
| 04:33:12 | d1sturb | I'm working on creating my own wps. Thanks for the link ;) |
| 04:33:20 | MarcGuay | That screen you see (text and peak meter) means the theme is not working. |
| 04:33:52 | MarcGuay | newbie1k-nobe: Be patient, surf the site for a bit and it'll start to make sense. |
| 04:34:13 | newbie1k-nobe | What are the themes that are not broken, I just need something bigger than the default and with a 'not so dark' say blue bg |
| 04:34:51 | newbie1k-nobe | That also means that a new build will come out that solves this issue? |
| 04:35:35 | d1sturb | It's up to the creators of the themes I would guess to fix it o_0 |
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| 04:35:56 | MarcGuay | JdGordon will help you. |
| 04:36:30 | * | JdGordon will? |
| 04:37:01 | newbie1k-nobe | Should I repeat my question for the benefit of JdGordon? |
| 04:37:05 | MarcGuay | newbie1k-nobe: It's not the build that's broken, it's the themes. |
| 04:37:22 | newbie1k-nobe | ah!!! |
| 04:37:27 | MarcGuay | newbie1k-nobe: There are instructions on how to make your own in the wiki. |
| 04:38:52 | newbie1k-nobe | Seems that a lot of them are broken, is there a common problem that can be solved. If editing existing wps to make them work does the trick... |
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| 04:39:23 | MarcGuay | newbie1k-nobe: Read the forum post I linked you to. |
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| 04:48:15 | JdGordon | kushal_12_27_200: hey, the problem is libusb isnt being compiled properly and a fix is being worked on... |
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| 04:48:47 | kushal_12_27_200 | thanks for the update. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help |
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| 04:56:07 | JdGordon | kushal_12_27_200: yeah, sorry, im reading last night logs and that was before i read that domonoky gvae yo stuff to try |
| 04:56:37 | kushal_12_27_200 | yeah, it was from your website |
| 04:58:44 | JdGordon | he has access to my mac.. |
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| 05:14:48 | d1sturb | w00t, got most of my theme set up :D |
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| 05:50:39 | d1sturb | I created my own theme and it's loading fine. However, when I run the WPS [I'm using the simulator to try it] nothing wrong shows up, but it's still giving that ugly, screen =/ |
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| 05:56:34 | Llorean | d1sturb: Then you didn't get everything right |
| 05:56:43 | d1sturb | I double checked everything |
| 05:56:55 | d1sturb | I fixed %pb etc |
| 05:57:59 | Llorean | If it's still showing the default WPS, you've done something wrong somewhere. |
| 05:58:11 | Llorean | It's possible that the progress bar wasn't the only thing wrong with it. |
| 05:58:27 | d1sturb | How can I find which part of the code is messed up? |
| 05:58:59 | Llorean | I believe there's a -checkwps command for the simulator that can provide some hints. |
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| 06:59:29 | LunarCrisis | I have an m3u file with unicode filenames which I want to use in rockbox, but it doesn't seem to work as-is (after correcting for relative paths). What character encoding does rockbox use in playlists? |
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| 07:03:42 | JdGordon | LunarCrisis: i was under the im[pression rockbox works fine with unicode playlists |
| 07:03:49 | cool_walking_ | Just a guess (I don't use playlists), but try renaming it to .m3u8 |
| 07:04:12 | LunarCrisis | cool_walking_, I did try that, no luck =( |
| 07:04:37 | LunarCrisis | I'll double check the paths |
| 07:05:34 | JdGordon | there is a codepage setting though but im not sure if that would fix anything |
| 07:05:54 | JdGordon | Llorean: you round? |
| 07:06:19 | LunarCrisis | I noticed in some m3u's I made directly in rockbox that it doesn't seem to be using utf-8 |
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| 07:08:15 | Llorean | JdGordon: Sorta. What's up? |
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| 07:09:28 | JdGordon | you mentioned people still dont like the time display in the info screen, I know this and want to do something about it... I want to pull the time/date stuff out of that screen completly and make a new menu for it and the time realted settings |
| 07:09:33 | JdGordon | related* |
| 07:09:37 | JdGordon | an ideas? |
| 07:09:40 | JdGordon | any* |
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| 07:13:29 | Llorean | What sort of ideas? |
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| 07:13:32 | Llorean | I think it sounds like a good idea |
| 07:13:47 | Llorean | Separate them out, then create a separate "Current Time" screen |
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| 07:14:39 | JdGordon | i seem to remember the apply OF having a big clock display with the alarm and sleep timers under it |
| 07:15:16 | Llorean | Well we do have the clock plugin |
| 07:15:23 | Llorean | You could just get plugin voices working. :-P |
| 07:15:42 | JdGordon | thats up to midgey :) |
| 07:15:59 | midgey | already done ;) |
| 07:16:22 | midgey | well, sort of, i have talking in Blackjack |
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| 07:17:06 | JdGordon | nice |
| 07:17:36 | midgey | i probably did some wrong stuff to genlang and voice.pl, but it will speak and tell me when I lose and ask if I want to play again |
| 07:18:20 | midgey | Both sdoyon and Badger have a patch that i've been working on. I'd like to get it posted to the tracker tomorrow |
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| 07:33:51 | LunarCrisis | hmm, for some reason in the playlists ι’¨γθΎΏγηγε ΄ζ.mp3 becomes 钨ãΒΒ辿ãΒΒΓ§ΒΒΓ£ΒΒΓ₯ ´æΒΒ.mp3 ... |
| 07:34:24 | LunarCrisis | I'm not sure what kind of encoding that is O_O |
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| 07:41:29 | JdGordon | in the playlist viewer? |
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| 07:44:28 | LunarCrisis | JdGordon, in the file, when I look at it on my computer |
| 07:45:00 | LunarCrisis | when I ls the original mp3 file I get the unicode name as above, but cat-ing the playlist I get the second thing. . . |
| 07:45:04 | JdGordon | in what program? |
| 07:45:21 | JdGordon | hmm |
| 07:45:28 | LunarCrisis | it's a utf8 terminal |
| 07:45:49 | JdGordon | is that a playylist rockbox generated? |
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| 07:47:33 | LunarCrisis | yup |
| 07:47:43 | LunarCrisis | wait, let me check |
| 07:50:12 | LunarCrisis | yup, just made a new playlist and got the same result |
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| 08:03:20 | JdGordon | woo!! no RTC on the ondios :D |
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| 08:03:41 | JdGordon | oh crud... the c200 has a tiny screen also :( |
| 08:03:55 | Llorean | It's 132 wide though, that's wider than the H10 |
| 08:05:03 | JdGordon | im worried about height |
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| 08:05:21 | JdGordon | trying to figure out how to fit this screen into a short display |
| 08:05:53 | amiconn | JdGordon: The Ondios and the archos recorders (all 3) have the same screen, and the latter do have an RTC |
| 08:06:34 | * | JdGordon thought the ondios has a smaller screen |
| 08:06:36 | JdGordon | but ok |
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| 08:07:42 | LunarCrisis | woo, transfered the playlist over |
| 08:08:20 | LunarCrisis | I diffed the playlist with a playlist containing the whole directory heirarchy, then deleted the correct lines in a full playlist generated by rockbox >_> |
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| 08:34:59 | B4gder | " |
| 08:34:59 | B4gder | Blackjack |
| 08:34:59 | B4gder | seems to talk fine |
| 08:35:09 | * | B4gder reveals a little secret from midgey |
| 08:35:45 | * | JdGordon informs B4gder tat the cat was out of the bad 90min ago |
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| 08:35:55 | B4gder | ahah |
| 08:36:05 | JdGordon | 75min even |
| 08:36:07 | * | B4gder is old and slow... |
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| 08:40:57 | JdGordon | So... I want to move the "sleep timer" setting to a new time/date screen, but that screen is obviously only going to be there is there is an RTC, so is anyone not ok with that setting staying in the system menu if there is no RTC and moving it if there is? |
| 08:43:27 | Llorean | If there's no RTC what's the setting for? |
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| 08:45:51 | JdGordon | turn off in X minutes |
| 08:46:45 | Llorean | Ah |
| 08:46:57 | Llorean | Sorry, somehow missed the words "sleep timer" |
| 08:47:05 | * | Llorean must be catching some of that "old" at least. |
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| 08:56:11 | B4gder | I think this is the first time I'm publicly mentioning the committers list on the dev list, I wonder if this will trigger something... |
| 08:57:47 | B4gder | we have 20 people missing from the list that are mentioned in COMMITTERS |
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| 08:59:53 | JdGordon | do those 20 know about the list? |
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| 09:00:08 | B4gder | I would think they're just inactive in general |
| 09:00:37 | amiconn | B4gder: Btw, why is there so much delay from sending a mail to one of the mls until it reached all recipients? |
| 09:00:58 | * | amiconn observed delays in excess of half an hour |
| 09:01:10 | B4gder | I don't know exactly |
| 09:01:18 | B4gder | it has to do with some subscriber(s) I think |
| 09:01:28 | B4gder | since that is not seen on all lists on that server |
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| 09:15:30 | JdGordon | what does everyone think of this? (dunno why the statusbar is shown twice... the 2nd one is the current time) http://imagebin.ca/view/O6VMJyT.html |
| 09:16:14 | JdGordon | the clock is updated every HZ/2 and is spoken when the context menu button is pressed |
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| 10:05:11 | JdGordon | is there a blocking talk call? |
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| 10:08:59 | JdGordon | :( how the heck do i get this screen to talk the time before the selected list item?! |
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| 10:22:26 | * | pondlife has a new battery fitted in his H380 :) |
| 10:22:57 | GodEater | was it a pain to fit ? |
| 10:23:01 | pondlife | Not too bad |
| 10:23:15 | pondlife | Had to get mrs pondlife to push the connector in |
| 10:23:21 | pondlife | My fingers are too fat |
| 10:23:30 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 10:24:13 | pondlife | The instructions with the battery say "You had better discharge the battery packs entirely before charging it." - should I let it run down once before the first charge? |
| 10:24:29 | pondlife | Or is that some kind of Cameron-Sino talk that makes no sense? |
| 10:24:47 | GodEater | that goes against everything I've ever heard you're supposed to do with LiON |
| 10:24:51 | pondlife | Me too |
| 10:25:09 | GodEater | I certainly didn't do it with the battery I put in my H140 |
| 10:25:16 | pondlife | But I won't be leaving this battery on charge nearly all of the time, that seemed to kill the last one |
| 10:25:29 | pondlife | i.e. running from powered 99% of the time |
| 10:25:34 | petur | I seem to read this everywhere, even with new mobile phones they say you have to charge/discharge completely three times |
| 10:25:37 | GodEater | same - that's what I did with the H140 that killed it |
| 10:25:59 | petur | trickle charge is not good |
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| 10:26:44 | petur | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liion#Guidelines_for_prolonging_Li-ion_battery_life |
| 10:27:44 | petur | so it might not be the charging but the heat from being 'on' |
| 10:27:58 | pondlife | Or rather from being on external power? |
| 10:28:06 | * | JdGordon would like some feedback on 9173 |
| 10:29:44 | * | petur isn't sure |
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| 10:30:15 | k4y | those guidelines are pretty useful |
| 10:30:21 | petur | time is already displayed on the statusbar, so why have it that high in the menu struct |
| 10:30:48 | JdGordon | yeah, i'm not sure if it should go there or in system |
| 10:32:34 | * | JdGordon going for dinne |
| 10:32:34 | JdGordon | r |
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| 10:48:58 | GodEater | B4gder: have you read this ? http://blog.red-bean.com/sussman/?p=96 |
| 10:50:13 | B4gder | no... |
| 10:50:29 | * | GodEater thinks it's worth the investment in time |
| 10:50:40 | GodEater | Llorean and I were chatting about it the other day |
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| 10:52:46 | GodEater | I may be alone, but I think it's particularly applicable to our GSoC projects |
| 10:52:58 | B4gder | I agree |
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| 11:04:01 | * | JdGordon is somewhat surprised that the statusbar still works on screens which use viewports and not the whole screen |
| 11:07:17 | JdGordon | :) thats because it infact doesnt properly work :D |
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| 11:11:07 | gevaerts | DerPapst: could you review bits of manual I wrote for ppmviewer and rockblox1d? |
| 11:11:37 | * | gevaerts hopes that DerPapst reads the logs |
| 11:11:45 | pondlife | JdGordon: What does #9173 gain us? |
| 11:12:08 | pondlife | The info screen should talk the time and date ok anyway. |
| 11:12:11 | JdGordon | moves the time/date ou of the info screen |
| 11:12:22 | pondlife | Yes, but why? |
| 11:12:25 | JdGordon | imo they shouldnt be there |
| 11:12:34 | pondlife | IYO |
| 11:12:38 | JdGordon | + centralise all the time options |
| 11:12:42 | JdGordon | yes.. imo |
| 11:12:45 | pondlife | :) |
| 11:13:28 | pondlife | The time options are already together under System, no? |
| 11:13:44 | pondlife | Ah - sleep timer... |
| 11:14:09 | JdGordon | sleep timer, alarm settings |
| 11:14:26 | pondlife | Alarm settings are already in System here (on H300 + wake-up patch) |
| 11:14:29 | JdGordon | also, it gives a nice exaple of using viewports |
| 11:14:33 | gevaerts | Remaining battery runtime? |
| 11:14:35 | * | gevaerts hides |
| 11:17:38 | JdGordon | na, that can stay in the info screen |
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| 11:18:16 | gevaerts | It _is_ time information! |
| 11:18:26 | JdGordon | its fake time info though! |
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| 11:19:00 | JdGordon | I would argue to put idle poweroff in that screen also |
| 11:19:08 | JdGordon | actually no |
| 11:19:37 | * | pondlife still thinks the current setup is fine - maybe move sleep timer into System... |
| 11:19:52 | JdGordon | its not as nice as it could be though :p |
| 11:20:08 | pondlife | Nicer than another top-level menu item, IMHO |
| 11:20:22 | pondlife | Of course, it needs to work properly ;) |
| 11:20:31 | pondlife | But I've not had time to fix it up yet. |
| 11:21:10 | * | JdGordon just moved it out of the top level |
| 11:21:42 | pondlife | I'd generally prefer more details in the info screen and less menu options. |
| 11:21:58 | pondlife | Just an opinion-y thing though, no real reason. |
| 11:22:09 | JdGordon | fine, but what has the time and date got to do with "rockbox info"? |
| 11:23:02 | pondlife | What has hard disk size? |
| 11:23:12 | pondlife | It's a general system info screen |
| 11:23:16 | JdGordon | exactly |
| 11:23:25 | JdGordon | 3 sec too slow :p |
| 11:23:40 | pondlife | So rename it System Info :) |
| 11:24:46 | pondlife | We already have version as a separate option too, although I prefer not to spin up my disk to check that... |
| 11:25:22 | JdGordon | thats another thing i want to change... the version option should show the number there also |
| 11:25:42 | pondlife | It does, doesn't it? |
| 11:25:59 | pondlife | Yep, it's on there |
| 11:26:08 | JdGordon | in the info screen, im talking about in the menu |
| 11:26:55 | pondlife | I see the version number under both Info and Version. The menus themselves should avoid dynamic content IMHO. |
| 11:28:21 | JdGordon | agreed to an extent :p |
| 11:28:33 | * | JdGordon does NOT want bookarms permanantly on the main menu |
| 11:29:15 | JdGordon | bookarms? wtf? :p |
| 11:29:23 | * | gevaerts thinks that JdGordon either has thick books or thin arms |
| 11:29:39 | * | pondlife wants bookmarks to be integrated into playlists completely... |
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| 12:11:34 | DerPapst | gevaerts: looks good :) |
| 12:13:24 | mcuelenaere | that WPS editor seems to have problems with refreshing it's screen |
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| 12:28:06 | gevaerts | DerPapst: great :) I hope you don't mind me having renamed 1drockblox to rockblox1d. I didn't really want that one as the first game people see |
| 12:29:44 | DerPapst | heh. :) it's ok |
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| 12:31:49 | * | gevaerts committed those immediately after devcon had decided that we should feel free to commit all plugins that work properly on at least one target, even if their usefulness is limited |
| 12:32:16 | DerPapst | yay :D |
| 12:33:14 | DerPapst | now i'm a little more motivated to finish battleship :P |
| 12:33:30 | gevaerts | Only the day after we decided that all features and plugins also need a manual bit, and you didn't appear |
| 12:34:00 | * | gevaerts was trapped then |
| 12:34:54 | DerPapst | heh :P |
| 12:35:10 | DerPapst | but you did a good job though ;) |
| 12:35:35 | gevaerts | Thanks :) But for battleships, you do it ;) |
| 12:35:43 | DerPapst | oh well :/ |
| 12:35:45 | DerPapst | ;) |
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| 12:37:35 | DerPapst | the only left task for the iPod video version is to create a default highscore list. and then i have to adapt it to smaller screens... |
| 12:40:29 | DerPapst | the ai is pretty good. i loose about 50-60% of the games. and i already have an idea for a small optimisation to make it even more clever :P |
| 12:41:08 | mcuelenaere | is it ok to post patches in the tracker for WPSeditor? |
| 12:41:38 | pondlife | Does anyone else think that the WPS code which displays (root) while still buffering should just leave the field blank? |
| 12:41:54 | pondlife | Seems to be hard-coded in gwps-common.c |
| 12:42:58 | pondlife | I don't honestly undersstand what the code is doing though |
| 12:43:11 | DerPapst | mcuelenaere: i'd say go ahead and point the student to it |
| 12:43:16 | mcuelenaere | k |
| 12:44:12 | pondlife | Ah, it's also in the WPS file itself... :/ |
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| 12:46:01 | gevaerts | DerPapst: does ik have touchscreen support? |
| 12:47:40 | mcuelenaere | DerPapst: there's a couple of functions in the plugins library for touchscreen implementation |
| 12:48:06 | DerPapst | only the ipod video is currently supported. but touchscreen support shouldn't be too difficult. battleship doesn't need many buttons. |
| 12:50:06 | DerPapst | only 6 buttons are needed or 5 and one combination :) |
| 12:52:55 | * | DerPapst found only one touchscreen related function in plugin.h |
| 12:53:33 | mcuelenaere | DerPapst: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/lib/touchscreen.c?revision=17847&view=markup |
| 12:53:48 | DerPapst | ah... |
| 12:55:28 | mcuelenaere | ts_raster_button_mapping |
| 12:55:32 | mcuelenaere | woops |
| 12:55:44 | Nico_P | mcuelenaere: maybe you can get the student to add you to the google project so that you can get write access to his svn repo |
| 12:55:46 | DerPapst | but i think the 3 x 3 grid is good enough for battleship. otherwise you'd need a stylus to play it :) |
| 12:56:08 | mcuelenaere | Nico_P: it's just a little patch, it's not that I'm going to really get involved :) |
| 12:56:20 | mcuelenaere | but it would be nice if I could get his email address |
| 12:56:30 | DerPapst | is 320x240 still the largest resolution of a rockbox target? |
| 12:56:38 | mcuelenaere | currently, yes |
| 12:56:59 | DerPapst | even for the work-in-progress touchscreen ones? |
| 12:57:15 | mcuelenaere | nope, the vx747 is 400x240 |
| 12:57:21 | mcuelenaere | but never mind those extra 80 pixels |
| 12:57:34 | mcuelenaere | I'm planning to use those as buttons in some screens |
| 12:57:42 | Nico_P | mcuelenaere: I'll PM his email address to you |
| 12:57:46 | mcuelenaere | ok thanks |
| 12:58:08 | DerPapst | then i should hurry before that changes ;) |
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| 13:00:48 | mcuelenaere | DerPapst: about the ts_raster_button_mapping, not every function of it already works; it needs a little bit more work |
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| 13:07:00 | DerPapst | mcuelenaere: ok. thanks for the warning. |
| 13:07:33 | DerPapst | i probably start working on it again in about 2 weeks or so. |
| 13:07:48 | DerPapst | a lot of work needs to be done before :-/ |
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| 13:18:23 | ThibG | hi |
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| 13:20:25 | ThibG | Hm... I don't see where lcd_write_yuv420_lines is defined |
| 13:20:46 | B4gder | DerPapst: mrobe500 is the king of upcoming resolutions afaik |
| 13:21:35 | B4gder | although I'm not sure how "upcoming" it is... |
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| 13:22:06 | webmind | g'day |
| 13:24:00 | B4gder | ThibG: find . -name "*.[ch]" | xargs grep lcd_write_yuv420_lines |
| 13:24:34 | mcuelenaere | or google code search if you don't know/have linux |
| 13:26:05 | ThibG | I've done a basic grep search (grep -R lcd_write_yuv420_lines .) |
| 13:27:17 | DerPapst | B4gder: what is its resolution? |
| 13:27:25 | ThibG | I don't see the function itself |
| 13:27:38 | B4gder | DerPapst: 640x480 |
| 13:27:46 | DerPapst | woha |
| 13:27:53 | B4gder | amen |
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| 13:28:40 | DerPapst | hmm.. 32x32 battlefield... :D that means a lot of ships to find and sink ^^ |
| 13:29:04 | B4gder | ThibG: there many different versions |
| 13:29:06 | ThibG | oh that's not written in C |
| 13:29:08 | B4gder | there are |
| 13:29:40 | ThibG | it's in lcd-as-memframe.S |
| 13:29:49 | B4gder | ah right |
| 13:30:13 | ThibG | i'm not too much into asm :s |
| 13:36:02 | webmind | hmm, I supose this question has been asked before, but is not in faq. the ipod classic has encrypted firmware I understand, but does anyone know of any effort undertaken to circumvent this ? |
| 13:38:00 | B4gder | nope |
| 13:38:45 | B4gder | well, see http://home.gna.org/linux4nano/ regarding their efforts |
| 13:38:56 | B4gder | the encryption used may be similar/same |
| 13:40:48 | webmind | tof managed to extract the content of the SST39WF800A and disassembling started. |
| 13:40:53 | webmind | but that was 3 months ago. |
| 13:40:56 | DerPapst | though the flashrom chip they dumped is encrypted too. so the 50kb rom of the cpu needs to be dumped. |
| 13:41:08 | B4gder | yes, that was just basically an encrypted chunk |
| 13:41:20 | B4gder | didn't really make anyone happy |
| 13:41:44 | webmind | darn |
| 13:42:01 | DerPapst | and i don't know if tof / stooo had any success with the cpu yet. |
| 13:42:06 | * | webmind really doesn't understand apple |
| 13:42:24 | webmind | or I don't want to. |
| 13:42:36 | * | pondlife doesn't understand why someone would buy apple if they wanted Rockbox |
| 13:42:43 | DerPapst | they want to make sure you use their products (iTunes and stuff) |
| 13:42:51 | Nico_P | they want you using iTunes... |
| 13:42:59 | * | DerPapst thinks the iPods are some pretty decent targets |
| 13:43:00 | webmind | pondlife, well, I liked the design of the nano (I've got a 1st gen with rockbox) |
| 13:43:12 | pondlife | I meant new apple |
| 13:43:15 | webmind | Nico_P, ah ofcourse yes. |
| 13:43:21 | webmind | pondlife, none yet :) |
| 13:43:27 | pondlife | Phew |
| 13:43:45 | pondlife | When the time comes, put your money towards a more deserving company, maybe. |
| 13:43:59 | * | webmind now has an mp3 player, well 2, I still got the remains of my archos player. |
| 13:44:14 | webmind | pondlife, sure.. if they also design good hardware |
| 13:56:43 | ThibG | erf... My D2 won't shut down after a "File not found" error :s |
| 13:57:59 | gevaerts | Hold power for a while |
| 13:58:50 | ThibG | didn't work. But the reset button (the one between USB and extention port) worked |
| 13:59:09 | gevaerts | It usually works for me |
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| 14:05:02 | ThibG | nice... I've rotated the display by 180Β° :/ |
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| 14:32:49 | nardul | Hey. My rockbox shows folders with 'æøΓ₯' incorrectly, the codepage is utf-8, and the filenames are utf-8, i checked. Now i tried several different fonts. Does anyone know how to make it work? |
| 14:35:32 | PaulJam | in what way are they shown incorrectly? if the letters appear as empty boxes, then the font doesn't have the neccessary glyphs. |
| 14:37:19 | nardul | PaulJam, It shows up as pure garbage, not empty char's |
| 14:37:21 | markun | nardul: do you use windows? |
| 14:38:00 | nardul | markun, No. Linux |
| 14:38:18 | markun | nardul: then it's often that the drive isn't mounted as UTF-8 |
| 14:39:11 | nardul | markun, hmm. That would make sense. |
| 14:39:25 | markun | which means the files are not converted from utf-8 to ucs-2, but from latin1 for example |
| 14:39:55 | nardul | That' doesn't make sense to me. |
| 14:39:57 | nardul | tbh |
| 14:40:08 | nardul | Not that it doesn't happen, but what you said :) |
| 14:40:48 | markun | vfat stores the files as UCS-2 (more or less UTF16) |
| 14:41:07 | nardul | Okay. |
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| 14:41:47 | markun | I think the mount option is iocharset=utf-8 |
| 14:41:56 | nardul | Do you know if i can see in /var/log/messages what it's mounted at? |
| 14:42:01 | nardul | HAL does it for me. |
| 14:42:05 | markun | I don't know |
| 14:42:08 | nardul | ok |
| 14:42:15 | nardul | I'll mount it manually and see. |
| 14:42:19 | markun | I don't use linux myself |
| 14:43:14 | GodEater | markun: think it depends on where you want that option to go |
| 14:43:19 | GodEater | iocharset is right for fstab |
| 14:43:31 | GodEater | but I think if you have HAL doing the mounting, it's utf8=true |
| 14:43:35 | GodEater | or somesuch |
| 14:43:49 | nardul | GodEater, I couldn't find anything i messages indicationg charset. |
| 14:43:50 | markun | GodEater: ok, I'll try to remember it |
| 14:44:12 | GodEater | nardul: I don't think you'll see any either - it's something you have to specify |
| 14:44:29 | GodEater | UUID=743A-FC1A /mnt/ipod vfat defaults,user,noauto,iocharset=cp850,utf8 |
| 14:44:33 | GodEater | that's my ipod fstab entry |
| 14:44:46 | GodEater | which definitely works |
| 14:44:54 | nardul | GodEater, If you plug in your ipod it automatically gets mounted there? |
| 14:44:56 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 14:45:09 | GodEater | no - I mount it manually - hence why it's in fstab |
| 14:45:20 | GodEater | I wouldn't have an entry for it there if it was automounted |
| 14:45:22 | nardul | Exactly. I primarily just plug it in. |
| 14:45:35 | nardul | Would be nice if i could make that work. |
| 14:45:35 | GodEater | then you need to check your mount options with gconf-editor |
| 14:45:55 | * | GodEater blythely assumes nardul is running Ubuntu |
| 14:46:02 | nardul | GodEater, gentoo |
| 14:46:21 | GodEater | a gentoo person without the smarts to do this on their own? What is the world coming to ? |
| 14:46:23 | GodEater | :D |
| 14:46:28 | nardul | aww, come on :P |
| 14:46:32 | nardul | We can't all know everything. |
| 14:46:47 | GodEater | are you running gnome ? |
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| 14:46:52 | nardul | Yes |
| 14:46:54 | nardul | So gnconf |
| 14:46:57 | nardul | gconf* |
| 14:46:59 | GodEater | ok - so run gconf-editor as I said |
| 14:47:04 | nardul | On it. |
| 14:47:08 | nardul | Alreadyfound it |
| 14:47:14 | * | GodEater waits three hours for nardul to emerge it |
| 14:47:30 | GodEater | go to system/storage/default_options/vfat |
| 14:47:32 | * | nardul shakes his hand furiously at GodEater |
| 14:47:38 | nardul | GodEater, Alreay there. |
| 14:47:52 | GodEater | do you have a mount_options value ? |
| 14:48:07 | nardul | yup. Suppose i should add the correct value :P |
| 14:48:17 | GodEater | well what does it say currently ? |
| 14:48:45 | GodEater | PS - I only get to pick on your for running gentoo because I ran it for three years before I got fed up with portage :) |
| 14:48:48 | nardul | "shortname=lower" "uid=" |
| 14:49:04 | nardul | GodEater, I like portage. It's superior in most ways. Except you have to compile everything. |
| 14:49:46 | GodEater | my mount_options are : shortname=mixed,uid=,utf8,umask=077,exec,flush |
| 14:49:59 | GodEater | so I guess just add the utf8 if that's all your interested in |
| 14:50:28 | mcuelenaere | B4gder: how hard would it be to get RBUtil (and perhaps WPSeditor in the future) building in the build server chain? |
| 14:50:50 | GodEater | after three years of portage, I can't help but wonder what you think portage is superior to. revdep-rebuild is an obvious gaping flaw... |
| 14:50:56 | linuxstb | Has some source code for the WPSeditor been published? |
| 14:51:06 | GodEater | linuxstb: not that I've seen |
| 14:51:07 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: http://code.google.com/p/wpseditor/ |
| 14:51:15 | * | GodEater takes it back |
| 14:51:16 | linuxstb | ? |
| 14:51:26 | mcuelenaere | http://code.google.com/p/wpseditor/source/browse |
| 14:51:37 | linuxstb | Someone should give him rights to SVN... |
| 14:52:05 | nardul | GodEater, Actually, it was redesigned not so long ago. But yes, it has it's problems. It continues to have problems with gcj, and wants to rebuild GCC whenever i run it. But you just have to create a symlink and it works fine. |
| 14:52:23 | markun | linuxstb: I believe that for tax reasons the code must now also be supplied to google |
| 14:52:34 | GodEater | nardul: I prefer to avoid such workarounds now - I find apt more comfortable these days |
| 14:52:42 | linuxstb | markun: But isn't that just uploading a patch at the end of the summer? |
| 14:52:47 | nardul | You're on ubuntu? |
| 14:52:53 | GodEater | yes |
| 14:53:06 | * | GodEater will attempt to avoid further distro discussion now though as it's off topic |
| 14:53:14 | markun | linuxstb: yes, probably |
| 14:53:15 | nardul | GodEater, I like just being able to find everything in portage, and continuous upgrades. |
| 14:53:21 | GodEater | do come to #rockbox-community if you wish to be mocked further ;) |
| 14:53:23 | nardul | okay, sorry then :) |
| 14:54:06 | GodEater | we encourage off topic in -community, so you're welcome there |
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| 14:56:58 | B4gder | mcuelenaere: not that terribly hard, but I don't see a need to use the build servers for that purpose since it's more of a single build and not one for each possible target |
| 14:57:31 | mcuelenaere | B4gder: yes perhaps not all build servers would be needed, just one could satisfy |
| 14:57:33 | linuxstb | B4gder: It's multi-platform though |
| 14:58:03 | B4gder | true, but the build servers don't help much with that |
| 14:58:09 | markun | nardul: anyway, did this solve your problem? You obviously need to retransmit or rename your files. |
| 14:58:19 | linuxstb | B4gder: Don't we have an OS X build server now? |
| 14:58:33 | B4gder | ah yes we do |
| 14:58:35 | mcuelenaere | B4gder: I presume all build servers are Linux? |
| 14:58:40 | linuxstb | And 64-bit... |
| 14:59:36 | linuxstb | And maybe building binary packages for different distros will be easier on that specific distro... |
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| 15:00:43 | JdGordon | B4gder: if oyu have a sec.. can you check which port you have setup for mac.jdgordon.info? |
| 15:01:10 | B4gder | 9922 |
| 15:01:24 | JdGordon | ok |
| 15:01:33 | * | JdGordon needs to fix port forwarding on that box again |
| 15:02:06 | JdGordon | actually.. can you change it to 22? |
| 15:02:06 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon: the WPS editor student had some questions regarding drawmodes, do you know something about that? |
| 15:02:42 | JdGordon | linuxstb is probaly a better person to ask... but depends on the problem |
| 15:02:52 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: How did you find the wps editor? Did the student come to IRC? |
| 15:03:07 | * | linuxstb doesn't understand the drawmodes, and forwards the request to amiconn |
| 15:03:20 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: I mailed him and he asked me something about it a half an hour ago and redirected him to IRC, but I guess he didn't came.. |
| 15:03:30 | mcuelenaere | I redirected him* |
| 15:03:49 | * | linuxstb is underwhelmed by the student IRC activity |
| 15:04:30 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: perhaps you could mail him? maybe he's still online |
| 15:05:01 | * | GodEater agrees heartily with linuxstb |
| 15:05:16 | * | linuxstb kicks the SoC mentors to kick their students |
| 15:05:45 | * | gevaerts kicks linuxstb to kick SoC mentors harder to kick their students |
| 15:13:05 | * | GodEater thought linuxstb *was* a mentor with a student, so assumes linuxstb is kicking himself |
| 15:13:19 | linuxstb | GodEater: Not afaik... |
| 15:13:42 | GodEater | linuxstb: your name is next to saratoga's project on the Gsoc2008 wiki page... |
| 15:14:20 | GodEater | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SummerOfCode2008#Rockbox_as_an_Application |
| 15:15:32 | linuxstb | GodEater: Yes, I was interested in that project, but didn't volunteer as a mentor for it in the end. |
| 15:16:00 | * | GodEater struggles to remember who did end up mentoring it then. JdGordon ? |
| 15:16:09 | linuxstb | GodEater: Yes, see the table at the top of that page |
| 15:16:48 | JdGordon | yep |
| 15:16:52 | * | JdGordon got saratoga |
| 15:16:58 | GodEater | ah |
| 15:17:15 | JdGordon | i spoke to him this morning |
| 15:17:29 | JdGordon | he's on track, but yeah needs to update more often |
| 15:17:36 | * | GodEater again refers people to http://blog.red-bean.com/sussman/?p=96 |
| 15:17:48 | linuxstb | GodEater: That couldn't be more appropriate... |
| 15:17:48 | GodEater | big blob updates are bad |
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| 15:17:52 | * | JdGordon thought that was a good article |
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| 15:18:06 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Have you pointed saratoga to it? ;) |
| 15:18:41 | JdGordon | no, i only saw it a few hours ago when GodEater mentioned it the first time |
| 15:18:44 | Nico_P | godeater: at least they shouw their source |
| 15:19:04 | GodEater | eventually yes, but source without discussion is equally bad |
| 15:19:06 | Nico_P | but what happened to the ARM emulator project? |
| 15:19:15 | GodEater | we think it's dead |
| 15:19:27 | GodEater | LinusN has lost contact |
| 15:19:37 | Nico_P | :( |
| 15:19:42 | preglow | when's midterm? |
| 15:19:48 | GodEater | nowish I think |
| 15:19:54 | Nico_P | it's started |
| 15:21:29 | * | linuxstb spots a 210KB patch from saratoga on the wiki |
| 15:22:05 | GodEater | ouch |
| 15:22:17 | GodEater | and that's not even finished I suppse |
| 15:22:19 | GodEater | +o |
| 15:22:24 | linuxstb | As "your" article says, who wants to review that? |
| 15:23:30 | * | Nico_P tried to take a look at the patch, but drowned in trivial #define changes |
| 15:25:07 | JdGordon | anyone (apart from pondlife :D ) care to comment on 9173? |
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| 15:41:17 | preglow | Nico_P: looks nice enough, i guess. any reason for displaying the time info at the top? |
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| 15:41:59 | Nico_P | preglow: I guess this was intented for JdGordon? |
| 15:42:09 | preglow | Nico_P: indeed it was :P |
| 15:42:10 | Nico_P | or intended, even |
| 15:42:17 | preglow | JdGordon: read the above, please |
| 15:42:33 | PaulJam | JdGordon: i haven't yet tried the patch with a clean source yet, but could you check if the play button in that screen works correctly (i.e.returns to the WPS instead of entering one of the settings)? |
| 15:46:01 | * | PaulJam compiles an uisim with that patch |
| 15:56:12 | PaulJam | JdGordon: i left a comment in the FS task. |
| 15:59:11 | * | preglow isn't sure he thinks that menu belongs in "system" |
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| 16:11:18 | ThibG | hm |
| 16:11:45 | ThibG | How can I make a target-specific implementation of a function? (with .S files) |
| 16:12:26 | mcuelenaere | just make sure the file is #if'ed in the SOURCES file |
| 16:14:07 | pondlife | JdGordon: #9173 is for 3.0 ?? |
| 16:14:44 | pondlife | I still haven't seen a decent reason for changing it. |
| 16:15:10 | ThibG | thanks |
| 16:15:47 | JdGordon | preglow: thats the point of the screen.. get the time out of the info screen |
| 16:15:55 | pondlife | But why??? |
| 16:16:04 | pondlife | I like the time in the info screen |
| 16:16:05 | JdGordon | because it sucks there! |
| 16:16:19 | pondlife | In your opinion, and maybe only yours? |
| 16:16:36 | pondlife | I see this as change for change's sake at best. |
| 16:16:47 | preglow | i tend to agree |
| 16:16:51 | preglow | but i'll have to try it |
| 16:17:01 | * | JdGordon thinking bike shed is why there is an argument |
| 16:17:13 | pondlife | ? |
| 16:17:13 | JdGordon | the current scheme is not nice from the users POV |
| 16:17:26 | pondlife | Why not? I mean, if it was fixed up |
| 16:17:36 | pondlife | It should work fine in the info screen. |
| 16:18:08 | pondlife | All of the info screen should be refreshed in realtime anyway (battery level for example) |
| 16:18:35 | pondlife | I don't see why it's not nice to include the time/date there. |
| 16:18:42 | JdGordon | it cant be refreshed in real time and scroll... |
| 16:18:51 | pondlife | Why not? |
| 16:18:57 | pondlife | That's an implementation detail. |
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| 16:19:12 | JdGordon | yes it is |
| 16:19:25 | JdGordon | which is why im offering this alternative implementation |
| 16:19:31 | JdGordon | which imo looks nicer anyway |
| 16:19:56 | pondlife | It adds another screen format, we should be minimising those. |
| 16:20:17 | preglow | i don't see the point in adding another clock display, no |
| 16:20:20 | pondlife | wps, wrs, radio, list - should cover everything, I think |
| 16:20:25 | preglow | you already have one in the status bar, and in the time/date screen |
| 16:20:54 | pondlife | IIRC, the info screen had it included for voice support primarily. |
| 16:21:04 | JdGordon | pondlife: http://bikeshed.com/ if you didnt get the bike shed reference (and i dont mean to be rude incase it comes out like that) |
| 16:21:59 | preglow | is the background colour of that page intentional? :> |
| 16:22:05 | pondlife | JdGordon: I think another screen goes against my sense of KISS. Unless this will also give a nice green delta ;) |
| 16:22:29 | JdGordon | preglow: refresh it.. |
| 16:22:49 | JdGordon | pondlife: thats the other reason for it... to show off how sreens can look with viewports |
| 16:22:52 | preglow | right |
| 16:23:08 | pondlife | JdGordon: That's a terrible reason to do it IMHO |
| 16:23:17 | * | JdGordon hopes he linked the right page before |
| 16:23:28 | * | DerPapst likes viewports and uses them for battleship too |
| 16:23:28 | pondlife | So, let's add non-standard screens for each feature, because we can. |
| 16:23:29 | JdGordon | why is that a terrible reason? |
| 16:23:42 | pondlife | It's unrelated |
| 16:23:59 | * | JdGordon intends to either wps-ify the rec/fm screens, or change them to something like that |
| 16:24:00 | pondlife | I want to move study mode into a special screen, say.... ;) |
| 16:24:15 | pondlife | I'd rather see the status bar be a viewport |
| 16:24:21 | pondlife | ala linuxstb's proof of concept |
| 16:24:30 | JdGordon | *thats* unrelated |
| 16:24:46 | pondlife | Yes, but it would show viewports being useful |
| 16:24:53 | JdGordon | no it wouldnt |
| 16:25:00 | pondlife | i.e. same status bar across the whole UI |
| 16:25:25 | pondlife | (and a customisable one, at that) |
| 16:25:34 | JdGordon | its irrelevant thoguh |
| 16:26:10 | JdGordon | and sure its a change for the sake of a change.. but unless someone comes up with a good negative reason against it.. i dont see the big deal in chanigng |
| 16:26:31 | pondlife | Red delta, non-standard screen - there's 2 reasons. |
| 16:26:41 | pondlife | Extra menu option - there's a 3rd |
| 16:26:49 | pondlife | All for no gain |
| 16:26:52 | pondlife | IMHO |
| 16:27:17 | JdGordon | i've moved the screen so its actually 1 less menu item overall now |
| 16:27:18 | pondlife | I'll shut up and let others speak up for it now though... |
| 16:27:30 | preglow | only thing i feel strongly about is a don't see the need for another time/date display. doesn't the time/date setting itself do that nicely enough? |
| 16:27:31 | JdGordon | red delta is not a good reason |
| 16:27:54 | preglow | if it doesn't, i rather think that should change so it is |
| 16:27:58 | pondlife | It is, especially on an Archos |
| 16:28:05 | JdGordon | ??? |
| 16:28:26 | JdGordon | you shouldnt need to go into the time setting (which is 3 levels in) to find out the time |
| 16:28:40 | JdGordon | thats why it was added to the rockbox info screen, where, imo it doesnt belong |
| 16:28:46 | preglow | status bar, then , if you wnat to see the time easily |
| 16:29:04 | pondlife | It was added to the info screen for voice support |
| 16:29:11 | pondlife | (I'm fairly sure.) |
| 16:29:15 | JdGordon | yes |
| 16:29:21 | preglow | which time/date setting should also provide |
| 16:29:26 | pondlife | Indeed |
| 16:29:27 | preglow | so i don't even see why it should be added to the info screen |
| 16:29:29 | JdGordon | 3 levels in... |
| 16:30:48 | pondlife | I like it in the info screen, personally. But I mainly use that for the date as the status bar has the time. |
| 16:30:53 | preglow | perhaps we could move it to the root settings menu? it's basic enough an option to merit it, i think |
| 16:31:46 | pondlife | Info is the same depth as a root setting would be. |
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| 16:32:19 | pondlife | I'll shut up now and let others opine. |
| 16:32:32 | JdGordon | where it is now is menu, down, enter, enter |
| 16:32:33 | * | GodEater just pines |
| 16:33:08 | preglow | but do you pine for fjords? |
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| 16:33:26 | pondlife | Hmm, is Rockbox blue a Swedish colour? |
| 16:34:06 | preglow | i can see a rockbox mascot coming up here :P |
| 16:34:52 | pondlife | Like Tux, but deader |
| 16:35:04 | pondlife | And with beautiful plumage |
| 16:35:25 | preglow | a dead blue and yellow parrot hanging from it's perched, which it's nailed to |
| 16:35:44 | preglow | perch... |
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| 16:39:51 | GodEater | and which people then come and complain about? Saying it's not alive ? |
| 16:40:30 | preglow | haven't you read the users ml lately? :P |
| 16:41:43 | * | scorche|sh nudges the cage |
| 16:41:47 | scorche|sh | see?...it moved! |
| 16:42:04 | * | GodEater isn't going any further down this road |
| 16:42:58 | * | pondlife refuses to make the unrelated "pieces of seven" joke. |
| 16:43:40 | pondlife | Instead, I'll add a bit of low-hanging buggage - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9176 |
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| 16:44:55 | * | scorche|sh wonders if GodEater likes traffic lights |
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| 16:48:16 | * | GodEater is thoroughly confused now |
| 16:50:33 | JdGordon | pondlife: (again, not being rude) did you actually read the text in my posts there? or just look at the pic and diff? |
| 16:50:35 | scorche|sh | it was a popular song at devcon and i will see if i cant get you a link in community |
| 16:50:47 | pondlife | I tested the patch |
| 16:51:05 | pondlife | Ah, I see |
| 16:51:16 | pondlife | The time AND date though |
| 16:51:23 | JdGordon | it does |
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| 16:51:45 | JdGordon | and would when entering the screen if i found a nice qway to do it |
| 16:52:07 | pondlife | I can't make it speak the time or date, but I probably need a new voice file? |
| 16:52:17 | JdGordon | nope |
| 16:52:22 | JdGordon | use the usual context menu action |
| 16:52:34 | pondlife | Aha |
| 16:52:59 | pondlife | That wasn't very obvious - I'd only have got that if I'd read the manual ;) |
| 16:53:12 | JdGordon | or the text in the post |
| 16:53:19 | pondlife | Why not allow the bar to scroll onto the date or time? |
| 16:53:44 | JdGordon | because they arnt editable |
| 16:53:52 | JdGordon | the screen is logically split into 2 parts |
| 16:54:16 | pondlife | But that makes for obvious voice support, IMHO.. i.e. move the bar onto date and it reads the date... |
| 16:54:42 | JdGordon | well... that was another option, but i dont really like it |
| 16:54:54 | JdGordon | and it would have to be done by adding a "talk the time" option to the list part |
| 16:55:23 | pondlife | Context menus normally operated on the selected entity, so a context press on "Sleep Timer" to read the time isn't consistent |
| 16:55:28 | preglow | i don't think it should be selectable if it isn't editable |
| 16:55:28 | pondlife | for example |
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| 17:01:39 | JdGordon | ... anywho... im going to bed |
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| 17:14:27 | pixelma | pondlife: please leave a comment... there is a slight difference because I see it in other plugins, guess it has something to do that I use a black on white colour scheme |
| 17:15:02 | pondlife | I didn't try any other plugins, but the png was exactly what I saw in clock |
| 17:15:14 | pondlife | Do you not see this in clock? |
| 17:15:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | Can someone take another look at FS #9122 and comment? |
| 17:16:16 | pixelma | haha, mibbit makes a channel 9122 out of it... |
| 17:16:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: :) |
| 17:17:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | Mibbit thinks anything with a # before it is a channel! :P |
| 17:17:09 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is amused |
| 17:17:18 | pixelma | pondlife: nope, clock looks alright with my colours |
| 17:17:32 | pondlife | I was using all defaults |
| 17:17:40 | pondlife | (and no clock settings saved) |
| 17:18:12 | pixelma | ah no, it's black on light blue not white as it should be |
| 17:18:33 | pondlife | I'm fairly sure it's the same bug |
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| 17:18:51 | pixelma | yeah, just wanted to add a comment on yours |
| 17:18:59 | pixelma | (bug report I mean) |
| 17:19:01 | lolio | does anyone have p2? |
| 17:19:05 | lolio | yepp-p2 |
| 17:19:50 | lolio | ?? |
| 17:19:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | The P2 is not compatible with Rockbox. |
| 17:20:13 | lolio | i know that |
| 17:20:14 | lolio | i have a p2 |
| 17:20:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | Are you looking to port Rockbox to it? |
| 17:20:35 | lolio | um |
| 17:20:39 | lolio | i dont have skills to do it |
| 17:20:51 | scorche|sh | so, what exactly are you looking for here? |
| 17:21:05 | lolio | im just wondering if anyone here's willing to do it-_- |
| 17:21:13 | lolio | i know its kinda selfish and stuff |
| 17:21:15 | scorche|sh | ports dont really work liek that |
| 17:21:16 | lolio | but i just wanna know |
| 17:21:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | Only interested owners do the work. |
| 17:21:44 | lolio | i knoww |
| 17:21:52 | lolio | im just |
| 17:21:54 | lolio | curious |
| 17:22:05 | lolio | since D2 is already working |
| 17:22:05 | pixelma | pondlife: I talked to JdGordon once (either logs of May 18th or 19th) and he gave me an advice which turned out to not be helpful when I looked at the 4 plugins last weekend - he talked about a parameter in the rb->do_menu call being wrong but 3 of them had this set as he suggested and sudoku even used the old menu api (if I understood correctly), hope you understand I'm not sure I used the right words in the programmer's language... |
| 17:22:08 | scorche|sh | people come along with the time, motivation, device itself, and the capability to do it....that is how ports happen |
| 17:22:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | lolio: So if you're so curious, why not get started on a porting effort? |
| 17:22:20 | lolio | and someone said p2 is similar to d2 |
| 17:22:30 | lolio | so it's gonna be easy |
| 17:22:34 | lolio | or not that hard |
| 17:22:42 | lolio | i dont even know what im supposed to do |
| 17:22:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | Find out what kind of hardware is in the device? |
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| 17:23:07 | lolio | everything's there to port |
| 17:23:16 | lolio | but there just isnt anyone to do it |
| 17:23:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | There's you! |
| 17:23:35 | scorche|sh | then i would suggest you try to learn how and do it yourself ;) |
| 17:24:14 | lolio | um |
| 17:24:16 | lolio | is it like |
| 17:24:23 | lolio | computer programming stuff? |
| 17:24:30 | lolio | or is there like tutorial on the site |
| 17:24:35 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: about #9122... if you read the forum thread again, linuxstb said that it would break Ipods with type 1 lcds... |
| 17:24:37 | scorche|sh | it isnt that simple |
| 17:24:52 | scorche|sh | lolio: try the NewPorts wiki page |
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| 17:25:27 | scorche|sh | sorry...NewPort |
| 17:25:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Damn... no good. :/ |
| 17:25:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: You don't have access to an iPod color, do you? |
| 17:25:58 | lolio | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungP2Port |
| 17:26:06 | lolio | that's p2 |
| 17:26:23 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: Yes, I do. A "type 1" LCD. |
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| 17:27:03 | PaulJam | LambdaCalculus37: what speaks against just reverting the commit that broke it until a proper fix is found? |
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| 17:27:47 | lolio | alright |
| 17:27:48 | lolio | thanks guys |
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| 17:28:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: So my patch corrupted the LCD display output on yours? |
| 17:29:01 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: I haven't tested it, but it's obvious it will. Those changes were just to confirm what the problem was, not a suggested solution. |
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| 17:29:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Not to mention the fact that I haven't been able to find out how to get Mpegplayer to display correctly. |
| 17:30:03 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinks that a more proper solution should be thought of |
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| 17:30:39 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: The solution has been suggested by both amiconn and me - find the correct LCD init sequence for the type 0 LCDs running the older versions of the Apple firmware. |
| 17:30:59 | * | pixelma needs to leave now again, back later |
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| 17:31:34 | linuxstb | This means either experimenting with the code amiconn committed, to see if you can guess the right values, or (more realistically) disassembling the OF bootloader to find the LCD init code. |
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| 17:33:54 | pondlife | Which target has a small display and a RTC? |
| 17:34:08 | preglow | smaller than nano? |
| 17:34:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: The c200 or the H10 5/6GB. |
| 17:34:14 | preglow | c200, yeah |
| 17:34:21 | linuxstb | Plus the remotes? |
| 17:34:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: I think disassembly of the OF is the better choice. |
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| 17:34:51 | preglow | shouldn't be too hard if you know the hardware addresses |
| 17:35:02 | linuxstb | Which we do... |
| 17:35:25 | preglow | then it should be easy enough, given a good disassembler |
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| 17:37:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: arm-elf-objdump good enough, or do you know a better one? |
| 17:38:05 | preglow | none free |
| 17:38:09 | linuxstb | Do the ipod bootloaders have thumb code? |
| 17:38:10 | preglow | but it should suffice if you're lucky |
| 17:38:16 | preglow | linuxstb: i don't think so |
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| 17:39:44 | amiconn | pondlife: Archos recorders... |
| 17:39:55 | pondlife | Thanks |
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| 18:04:53 | pondlife | Anyone know what code is responsible for horizontal scrolling of list items? |
| 18:05:29 | pondlife | More specifically, could we prevent why does a list redraw resetting the scroll offset. |
| 18:05:42 | pondlife | s/why does// |
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| 18:45:58 | pondlife | Could people with small-screened targets/LCD remotes give http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9167 a spin? |
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| 18:47:55 | midgey | I've posted a new version of my GSoC at FS #9067 |
| 18:48:23 | midgey | I'm off to an appointment, but I'd like to discuss it when I get back |
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| 19:04:19 | linuxstb | pondlife: Don't you have a H300 (with remote)? |
| 19:04:24 | pondlife | Non-LCD remote |
| 19:04:48 | linuxstb | A _very_ small screen ;) |
| 19:05:00 | pondlife | hehe |
| 19:05:06 | pondlife | 0x0 |
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| 19:44:29 | amiconn | pondlife: lcd_puts_scroll() resets the scroll offset because the content may be completely different |
| 19:45:13 | amiconn | And yes, this can be improved, either by a flag supplied by the caller which decides when to reset, or some more or less clever guessing |
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| 19:46:00 | pondlife | A flag is what I was looking for, I guess. |
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| 19:46:13 | pondlife | It's for a somewhat specific purpose |
| 19:46:53 | lolio | hi |
| 19:47:27 | amiconn | pondlife: It's less specific than you might think. The wps also shows occasional unwanted scroll resets |
| 19:47:36 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
| 19:47:56 | pondlife | Maybe a check to see if the text was changed could be perfomed? |
| 19:47:56 | lolio | ahhh |
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| 19:48:32 | amiconn | Checking whether it changed at all might be relatively easy |
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| 19:48:50 | amiconn | But then the position will still reset if only a single character changed |
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| 19:48:57 | lolio | is rockbox for linux |
| 19:49:07 | amiconn | Better than nothing, imho |
| 19:49:13 | pondlife | I agree |
| 19:49:23 | pondlife | It would work for my case, certainly |
| 19:49:30 | pondlife | i.e. the info screen time refresh |
| 19:50:28 | lolio | whoa |
| 19:50:37 | lolio | this is frustrating' |
| 19:51:03 | pondlife | lolio: Rockbox is not for Linux |
| 19:51:12 | pondlife | Rockbox is an OS of it's own |
| 19:51:16 | lolio | i mean |
| 19:51:20 | pondlife | Not related to Linux |
| 19:51:25 | lolio | at all? |
| 19:51:42 | pondlife | Well, there's a Rockbox simulator you can run on Linux... |
| 19:51:51 | pondlife | That's about it, I think. |
| 19:51:58 | wpyh | a lot (if not most) Rockbox developers use Linux |
| 19:52:02 | scorche|sh | lolio: what are you getting at?...rockbox is not and is not based on linux |
| 19:52:04 | Llorean | And we learned some iPod stuff from iPodLinux |
| 19:52:18 | wpyh | yeah, and Rockbox got some drivers from iPodLinux |
| 19:52:26 | wpyh | iPodLinux is a derivative of Linux |
| 19:52:32 | lolio | ic |
| 19:52:38 | pondlife | And we were talking about having a bird mascot earlier ;) |
| 19:52:45 | scorche|sh | but it isnt and is not related to linux...which i think is what he was getting at |
| 19:52:54 | Llorean | But Rockbox itself is built from the ground up on its own codebase. |
| 19:52:58 | lolio | i dont get how rockbox works |
| 19:53:08 | lolio | is it just a program in an OS |
| 19:53:15 | scorche|sh | no |
| 19:53:16 | lolio | or just firmware |
| 19:53:21 | Battousai | rockbox IS an os |
| 19:53:27 | lolio | ooo |
| 19:53:34 | lolio | ic |
| 19:53:36 | lolio | um |
| 19:53:42 | lolio | i was looking through forums |
| 19:53:51 | scorche|sh | please stop saying things like "ic"...we ask for real english here |
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| 19:54:15 | lolio | and one of the developers or someone talked about how to disassemble a firmware |
| 19:54:17 | | Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) |
| 19:54:21 | lolio | (sorry about that) |
| 19:54:23 | lolio | um |
| 19:54:24 | Slasheri | lolio: it's a firmware and firmware generally is an os too |
| 19:54:37 | bluebrother | can someone enlighten me about FS #9175? Where's that wps editor? |
| 19:54:38 | lolio | i looked for the programs that he talked about |
| 19:54:40 | lolio | and i couldnt find it |
| 19:54:50 | pondlife | amiconn: Looking at the lcd_puts_scroll() for 16 bit, is it the lcd_scroll_stop_line() that resets the position, or does that just stop the scrolling processing? |
| 19:54:56 | bluebrother | haven't seen such a thing around, especially no code for it ... |
| 19:55:03 | scorche|sh | lolio: think of "firmware' as the OS of an embedded device...but all of this could be better answered by you using google and wikipedia |
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| 19:56:18 | PaulJam | bluebrother: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WPSEditor |
| 19:57:14 | scorche|sh | why is he using google code as his repository... |
| 19:57:22 | bluebrother | ahhh, seems there was an update on that topic :) |
| 19:57:41 | domonoky | :-) |
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| 19:58:05 | domonoky | i had some talk with him because now we are in midterm evaluation period :-) |
| 19:58:06 | bluebrother | did I say there wasn't enough feedback by SoC students here? |
| 19:58:33 | bluebrother | hmm, seems there is no code browser around. |
| 19:59:08 | bluebrother | is that a code::blocks project file? |
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| 19:59:51 | bluebrother | urgh. Makefile defines CC to mingw32-gcc.exe |
| 19:59:53 | domonoky | yes, but you can also compile on the console... *i think linux doesnt work at moment* |
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| 20:00:03 | PaulJam | bluebrother: http://code.google.com/p/wpseditor/source/browse |
| 20:00:07 | domonoky | the code is in a need of cleanup... |
| 20:00:09 | * | GodEater_ definitely thinks the mentors should be slapping their students as hard as they can to get them in here |
| 20:00:33 | scorche|sh | domonoky: and why is he using google code as his repository?...we would have been happy to make him a branch |
| 20:01:31 | domonoky | he had problems accessing our svn.. so he choose google code for the beginning... |
| 20:01:47 | bluebrother | why isn't he using qmake for the proxy part? Shouldn't be too hard to make it work |
| 20:01:56 | domonoky | i want him to cleanup the code, and then put it into our svn in the not so far future.. |
| 20:02:06 | * | bluebrother wonders what could be problematic accessing rb svn |
| 20:02:08 | scorche|sh | domonoky: problems accessing our svn.../ |
| 20:02:15 | scorche|sh | bluebrother: indeed |
| 20:02:28 | lolio | wouldn't it be possible to put os in mp3 players like the ones that are in pdas and stuff |
| 20:02:36 | lolio | if the hardware supports it |
| 20:02:57 | scorche|sh | it sounds like some sort of excuse to me, but then again i may be reading too much into this |
| 20:03:03 | scorche|sh | lolio: what does this have to do with rockbox? |
| 20:03:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | scorche|sh: Rockbox as an app, perhaps? |
| 20:03:18 | domonoky | bluebrother: maybe some needed ports are blocked by his isp ? but it dont know for sure.. |
| 20:03:25 | GodEater_ | domonoky: I'd rather he put the code into an svn branch now - cleaned up or not |
| 20:03:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | lolio: There has been talk about Rockbox as an App; is that what you're talking about? |
| 20:03:50 | pondlife | amiconn: In struct scrollinfo, is "offset" the offset to the first char to be displayed? |
| 20:04:04 | lolio | well |
| 20:04:11 | lolio | just ignore me |
| 20:04:12 | scorche|sh | LambdaCalculus37: that isnt what he is saying...he is likely asking why he cant put a pda os on a dap |
| 20:04:19 | lolio | i dont know what im talking about |
| 20:04:27 | scorche|sh | lolio: i would rather we not have to ignore you and you stay on topic |
| 20:04:29 | lolio | that's kinda what im saying |
| 20:04:47 | lolio | what scorchesh is saying |
| 20:04:58 | bluebrother | wow, that code's quite messy :/ |
| 20:04:58 | scorche|sh | either way, that is offtopic here |
| 20:05:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | lolio: Please try to speak more clearly next time. You can confuse a lot of people like that. |
| 20:05:08 | lolio | alright |
| 20:05:15 | lolio | are u one of the developers? |
| 20:05:22 | lolio | (LambdaClculus37) |
| 20:05:31 | bluebrother | domonoky: you should suggest him running indent on it −− with the rockbox style. |
| 20:05:44 | bertrik | oh, is there a rockbox indent style? |
| 20:06:03 | scorche|sh | lolio: you can find out the "status" of many people by issuing "/who name"...we have something called cloaks |
| 20:06:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | And my cloak is in the wash right now. ;) |
| 20:06:55 | pondlife | '/who' doesn't work here.. |
| 20:07:09 | bluebrother | bertrik: well, I meant "use options to make it indent like the rb coding guidelines" :) |
| 20:07:10 | lolio | o |
| 20:07:12 | scorche|sh | sorry... "/whois" |
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| 20:07:37 | domonoky | bluebrother, GodEater, i will talk with my student about this, so we can get it into rockbox svn as fast as possible.. |
| 20:07:51 | scorche|sh | domonoky: definitely |
| 20:08:49 | bluebrother | domonoky: it also doesn't seem to build against current svn −− should be addressed first imo |
| 20:09:25 | domonoky | broken again ? it worked yesterday... current svn moves to fast :-) |
| 20:09:47 | bluebrother | maybe I should try harder ;-) |
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| 20:09:54 | bluebrother | but I found ... Tabs! |
| 20:09:57 | * | bluebrother screams |
| 20:10:22 | domonoky | its a bit difficult to build it... there different steps needed :-) |
| 20:10:30 | bluebrother | is there a readme? |
| 20:11:14 | bluebrother | and those files are dos style :/ |
| 20:11:23 | domonoky | i dont think so... he should instead improve the build process... |
| 20:11:40 | bluebrother | yeah ... I'd like to see qmake used |
| 20:11:45 | domonoky | 1. build the "proxy" dll with "make shared" |
| 20:11:51 | bluebrother | dll? |
| 20:11:55 | * | bluebrother screams |
| 20:12:07 | scorche|sh | erm... |
| 20:12:11 | domonoky | 2. build the property editor with "qmake && make" |
| 20:12:24 | domonoky | 3. build the gui with "qmake && make" |
| 20:12:35 | domonoky | the dll is intended... |
| 20:12:53 | domonoky | the wps editor will use shared libs to support all targets... |
| 20:13:06 | bluebrother | why that? |
| 20:13:22 | bluebrother | I don't see a reason why a lib is needed to support multiple targets. |
| 20:13:54 | Bagder | midgey: I'll try out the latest #9067 tonight and provide feedback |
| 20:13:57 | domonoky | because it uses rockbox wps and display code, you cant compile this for different targets in one, without changing much of the code. |
| 20:14:05 | bluebrother | it will most likely cause quite some headache in terms of portability ... |
| 20:14:17 | domonoky | like we need many differen checkwps builds.. |
| 20:14:26 | bluebrother | hmm, point taken |
| 20:15:12 | domonoky | an portability shouldnt be the problem, just deliver the shared libs with the editor, (maybe builtin the resource file) |
| 20:15:40 | bluebrother | how are the libs loaded? AFAIK the loader stuff isn't the same on all os. |
| 20:15:55 | domonoky | and Qt has a nice Crossplattform shared Library loader .. :-) |
| 20:16:03 | bluebrother | ah. nice. |
| 20:16:08 | bluebrother | but why not Qt plugins? |
| 20:16:21 | gevaerts | bluebrother: he did that part on his qualification task, and it worked for windows and linux (with the same code) |
| 20:16:54 | bluebrother | gevaerts: another reason why I want to have the students work _much_ more transparently |
| 20:17:04 | * | bluebrother didn't knew anything about that |
| 20:17:39 | domonoky | yeah more transparency would be nice, but its difficult to get the students there... |
| 20:17:57 | bluebrother | beat them to it. |
| 20:18:06 | bluebrother | is it that hard to just require them to do it? |
| 20:18:42 | bluebrother | as transparency is an important thing about open source ... and they should learn about that too, shouldn't they? |
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| 20:19:22 | ThibG | Hi shotofadds |
| 20:19:55 | * | bluebrother is still somewhat annoyed by todays work. |
| 20:20:58 | * | domonoky is still struggeling to build a correct rbutil mac version... |
| 20:20:58 | ThibG | Here is my patch for the (extremly slow) lcd_write_yuv420_lines implementation: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9178?pagenum=1 |
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| 20:21:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | domonoky: Actually, I wanted to ask you about the Mac version of Rbutil. |
| 20:21:50 | domonoky | i have now made sure i have a universal Qt, rbutil links to a univeral libusb.a, but still the resulting binary is i368 only.. :-/ |
| 20:22:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | I downloaded it last night, but it appears as an icon with a "no" symbol through it, and clicking it says "You cannot open the application "rbutilqt" because it is not supported on this system." |
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| 20:23:07 | domonoky | LambdaCalculus37: and your mac is a ppc ? |
| 20:23:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. |
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| 20:23:48 | domonoky | the problem is, i am failing to build a univeral binary of rbutil... :-/ |
| 20:24:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | Can you build for a specific platform? |
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| 20:25:16 | gevaerts | domonoky: aren't you supposed to build twice and them merge the binaries somehow? |
| 20:25:32 | * | gevaerts doesn't really know, but thinks he remembers having read something like that |
| 20:25:50 | domonoky | gevaerts: no Qts build system should do this for me, but it somehow doesnt work.. |
| 20:26:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hmmm.... |
| 20:26:47 | gevaerts | ah, ok. I didn't know that |
| 20:26:53 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wishes he paid more attention to Mac development ;) |
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| 20:29:00 | * | gevaerts assumes that domonoky has already read http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/deployment-mac.html |
| 20:30:24 | domonoky | gevaerts: yes, i do it like this... |
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| 20:31:30 | gevaerts | I'd say try LambdaCalculus37's suggestion and try a pure ppc build |
| 20:31:45 | domonoky | will try.. |
| 20:31:56 | gevaerts | If that doesn't work, that's probably the problem, and if it does work we have an interim solution |
| 20:32:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | I don't think anyone should get terribly confused as to whether to download a PPC or Intel build of Rbutil. |
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| 20:33:17 | gevaerts | Maybe not, but a fat^H^H^Huniversal binary is still better |
| 20:33:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: I agree. But for now, this is, as you said, an interim solution. |
| 20:34:35 | domonoky | LambdaCalculus37: also which version of MacOsx have you ? |
| 20:35:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | domonoky: 10.4.11. |
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| 20:35:27 | domonoky | so that should be fine, rbutil requires min 10.4 |
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| 20:39:46 | domonoky | building for mac fails.. but its a bit strange... it warns that all intermediate .o file are not of required architecture, but they are all for ppc. So there must be a gcc call somewhere which is only i368, ie misses the arch parameter... |
| 20:40:01 | domonoky | i mean builing for ppc mac .. :-) |
| 20:40:37 | gevaerts | "file" may help |
| 20:41:06 | shotofadds | ThibG: Thanks. Looking at all that floating-point maths, I expect you're right when you say it's "really" slow ;) Still, it's a start until someone gets up-to-speed on the ARM version... |
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| 20:41:51 | ThibG | shotofadds, as I've never done such PixelFormats conversion, I didn't know how to do |
| 20:42:07 | ThibG | I've read and re-read the ASM files, I've now a new patch, much faster |
| 20:42:11 | domonoky | hm, the last g++ call which creates the resulting binary has no arch parameter, now i have to investigate why ! :-) |
| 20:42:26 | gevaerts | Sounds like progress :) |
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| 20:43:32 | * | gevaerts considers adding yet another ifdef to the usb storage driver |
| 20:44:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: You and your ifdef's... ;) |
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| 20:47:15 | ThibG | I've sent the new patch on flyspray |
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| 20:56:48 | * | domonoky thinks he nearly got it. Now i only need a universal build of librbspeex.a :-) |
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| 20:57:17 | bluebrother | domonoky: the wps editor code is quite rather messed up with stuff like using \'s in paths and ignoring filename casing :( |
| 20:57:50 | gevaerts | I'd ask to clean that up first before doing anything else |
| 20:58:07 | bluebrother | including "qobject" definitely is broken −− except for windows, which is broken in this aspect :( |
| 20:58:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | domonoky: \o/ |
| 20:58:49 | bluebrother | yep. Writing code without taking care of casing is ... well. |
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| 20:59:13 | bluebrother | urgh, even broken in ui files as it seems |
| 20:59:49 | gevaerts | It's not that hard to fix, but it shouldn't be there in the first place |
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| 21:01:02 | bluebrother | it's not hard to do it right in the first place ... but it's really a PITA if you have to fix it (and are not the one to blame) |
| 21:01:49 | gevaerts | Indeed, which is why it needs to be fixed _soon_, before gsoc is over |
| 21:02:51 | shotofadds | ThibG: that's excellent, thanks. I now have MpegPlayer running full screen, although the frame rate's pretty bad compared to SVN. We can work on that :-) |
| 21:03:07 | bluebrother | one of the reasons why it doesn't build on linux. Well, the GUI part at least (haven't checked for the lib stuff yet) |
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| 21:03:34 | ThibG | shotofadds, you're welcome :) |
| 21:03:54 | domonoky | bluebrother: i will relay all this to my student .. :-) |
| 21:04:29 | ThibG | I think rewriting it in ASM would improve the framerate, but I will not :P |
| 21:04:30 | * | bluebrother wonders why this thing wants to link against QPropertyEditord (not the trailing d) |
| 21:04:51 | domonoky | debug version ? |
| 21:05:09 | bluebrother | debug versions don't have a trailing d on linux |
| 21:05:28 | domonoky | but on windows ? :-) |
| 21:05:32 | bluebrother | at least not that I'm aware of |
| 21:05:36 | bluebrother | yeah, but I'm on linux |
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| 21:06:22 | bluebrother | it also doesn't seem to build a library for QPropertyEditor |
| 21:06:57 | bluebrother | argh, more filename case issues. This aspect is horribly broken. |
| 21:07:55 | gevaerts | amiconn: could FS #8066 be in any way related to the problem you had with that zx spectrum flac file? |
| 21:07:58 | bluebrother | it's "build", not "Build". And is to be the same in all files :( |
| 21:08:49 | * | domonoky has now successfully build a ppc version of rbutil. now lets try it universal :-) |
| 21:09:19 | bluebrother | ok, I'm lacking the dll but have guid compiled. Segfaults ... |
| 21:09:51 | bluebrother | that name should also get cleaned up. Or at least it should get considered cleaning it up. Reminds me of something completely different ... |
| 21:10:05 | gevaerts | And now for... |
| 21:10:31 | bluebrother | ... thanks for the fish ;-) |
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| 21:15:13 | PaulJam | the autorock functionality in combination with a modified version of rockcalendar is really nice if you can't remember birthdays :) |
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| 21:15:23 | bluebrother | domonoky: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9179 |
| 21:15:49 | bluebrother | at least the gui part now compiles |
| 21:18:33 | preglow | bluebrother: curious, how do we deal with qt on mac? |
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| 21:20:35 | * | domonoky has troubles building a univeral librbspeex.a, the -M option isnt allowed when building for multiple archs.. :-/ |
| 21:21:01 | domonoky | preglow: what do you mean with "deal" the distribution ? |
| 21:21:30 | domonoky | we use include qt as framework in the rbutil.dmg file |
| 21:21:42 | preglow | link static? if not, do we bundle "dlls"? |
| 21:23:08 | domonoky | preglow: we "bundle" shared libs (called .dylibs) in a "Framework" .. |
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| 21:23:35 | preglow | so if several program use qt, they all bundle dylibs for it? |
| 21:23:54 | domonoky | yes.. :-) |
| 21:23:58 | preglow | yuck |
| 21:24:11 | preglow | is that an os x convention? |
| 21:24:18 | domonoky | and everthing twice, ie ppc and i86.. |
| 21:24:28 | domonoky | thats the "normal" way on mac... |
| 21:24:34 | preglow | how elegant.... |
| 21:25:01 | preglow | what's the point in using shared libs, then? |
| 21:25:37 | domonoky | dont ask me.. i just use jdgordons mac remotely :-) |
| 21:27:45 | domonoky | can someone help me with the rbspeex Makefile ? i need to somehow remove all "-E, -S, -save-temps and -M" options in the makefile to be able to build a universal lib... |
| 21:29:11 | * | gevaerts may need testing until after someone commits r17999. This will of course be purely a coincidence |
| 21:29:32 | * | gevaerts sometimes hates command line history :( |
| 21:30:46 | gevaerts | I've just written 1GB of data to the sd card without a single write error, and without any patch to the sd driver. |
| 21:31:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | :) |
| 21:31:23 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gives gevaerts a beer |
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| 21:32:13 | gevaerts | That was with nice repeating patterns that make it easy to spot the error. Now testing again with random data, to make sure that my changes don't accidentally write entire blocks in the wrong order |
| 21:32:22 | * | gevaerts grabs the beer and drinks it |
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| 21:38:52 | * | gevaerts is too thorough with his testing. That makes it take long |
| 21:39:06 | shotofadds | ThibG: I think the for() loop condition should be (i < width/2). How's that for an instant 2x speedup ;) |
| 21:39:54 | shotofadds | btw. Something is still not right though, there's screen corruption when running the 1/4 screen test in the test_fps plugin |
| 21:40:18 | ThibG | hm yes |
| 21:40:29 | ThibG | hum? |
| 21:40:41 | ThibG | how does test_fps work? |
| 21:40:56 | shotofadds | have you added it to apps/plugins/SOURCES? |
| 21:41:09 | ThibG | not yet |
| 21:41:51 | shotofadds | once compiled you can run test_fps from the Applications menu. It tests the speed of full screen and 1/4 screen updates, for both bitmaps and YUV. |
| 21:42:11 | preglow | shotofadds: still no idea about d2 lcd garbage? |
| 21:42:31 | ThibG | ok, I'm going to try it |
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| 21:43:06 | shotofadds | preglow: I should add that to the wiki To Do list so that "someone" else might look into it... ;) |
| 21:43:07 | ThibG | by the way, how does rbuiltqt work with bootloaders? |
| 21:43:41 | preglow | shotofadds: good, heh |
| 21:43:46 | domonoky | ThibG: depends on the target, bootloader installation is different on every player... |
| 21:44:06 | shotofadds | ThibG: if you mark lcd_write_yuv420_lines as 'static' you don't need to rename it to lcd_write_yuv420_lines2... the asm version will be ignored. |
| 21:46:04 | ThibG | ok |
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| 21:47:24 | * | gevaerts isn't happy. The sansa OF just decide to reset its usb connection when my 1GB read was nearly done |
| 21:47:25 | shotofadds | ThibG: hehe, now to make the dithered version work, too ;-) |
| 21:47:51 | ThibG | hm... doesn't look like it's using tcctool... I won't try :] |
| 21:48:19 | ThibG | I'll see the screen corruption thing first |
| 21:57:39 | gevaerts | Good news. Another 1GB written without data corruption |
| 21:58:31 | preglow | gevaerts: how is the transfer rate compared to retailos anyway? |
| 21:58:35 | ThibG | shotofadds, how should the 1/4 test look? |
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| 21:59:19 | * | gevaerts looks |
| 21:59:55 | shotofadds | ThibG: should be a small shaded rectangle in the centre of the screen. I get some weird effect that wraps across into the next line down |
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| 22:00:07 | ThibG | hm |
| 22:00:18 | ThibG | I think I've found why it doesn't work fine |
| 22:00:30 | * | ThibG is recompiling rockbox |
| 22:02:27 | * | gevaerts is benchmarking |
| 22:02:52 | ThibG | it works |
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| 22:03:49 | * | mcuelenaere thinks the LUA viewer works pretty well on the simulator |
| 22:05:08 | ThibG | 13fps... it's slow :( |
| 22:05:55 | gevaerts | preglow: the OF: read 4.8 MB/s, write 3.9 MB/s. Rockbox as of this morning (with corruption): read 5.8 MB/s write 3.0 MB/s. The latest version (without corruption): write 2.6 MB/s (read unchanged) |
| 22:06:10 | gevaerts | All this on a microSD card |
| 22:06:22 | gevaerts | So in short, they are faster on write, we are faster on read |
| 22:06:53 | * | gevaerts is proud about being 20% faster than the OF on read |
| 22:07:58 | bertrik | so... this probably means we can enable sansa USB for 3.0? |
| 22:08:24 | gevaerts | Probably (if we enable portalplayer USB at all, that is) |
| 22:09:37 | * | domonoky now has problems building the .a file out of the universal .o files of rbspeex :-/ |
| 22:11:04 | linuxstb | gevaerts: So it's 100% reliable on portalplayer in general, in terms of not corrupting filesystems? |
| 22:12:37 | preglow | gevaerts: any idea on how to write faster, then? |
| 22:12:40 | gevaerts | linuxstb: there is still an issue with remounting the filesystem within rockbox afterwards. That doesn't always work properly (details vague, sorry). Also, the hub/timing problem can in extreme cases throw the device off the bus |
| 22:12:53 | gevaerts | preglow: easy. Make the SD driver faster |
| 22:13:12 | preglow | gevaerts: i think that should be easy, from what i remember |
| 22:13:28 | preglow | i remember seeing read optimizations, but no write |
| 22:13:47 | gevaerts | preglow: if I work with a ramdisk, I get around 10MB/s for both read and write |
| 22:14:35 | preglow | gevaerts: driver seems to imply the writes are slow intentionally |
| 22:14:45 | * | gevaerts would commit the ramdisk code, but it has limited usefulness (only usb testing), and lots of ugly ifdefs |
| 22:15:12 | gevaerts | preglow: possibly. I don't feel confident changing that code too much though |
| 22:15:16 | linuxstb | It could be used to mimic the Sansa recovery mode... |
| 22:15:31 | gevaerts | It could, but why? |
| 22:16:08 | preglow | on that note, it's time for another d2 sd hacking session |
| 22:16:11 | preglow | may i be crowned with success |
| 22:16:21 | linuxstb | gevaerts: To replace the Sansa bootloader completely. |
| 22:16:29 | shotofadds | preglow: I wish you well ;-) |
| 22:17:02 | preglow | shotofadds: i got myself a tv out cable today, btw, not exactly stellar quality :) |
| 22:17:24 | shotofadds | nah, I wouldn't expect too much from 320x240 on a TV... |
| 22:18:17 | gevaerts | linuxstb: ah, ok. We would need bootloader usb then, which requires bootloader interrupts. Also, why not just use the flash then? |
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| 22:19:05 | ThibG | I uploaded the new patch... but I don't see what I can do to improve framerate, now |
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| 22:19:38 | shotofadds | ThibG: yeah, that works. btw you can force the CPU to boost from the Debug menu - that should get you over >50fps |
| 22:19:54 | shotofadds | (the original ASM version was 78fps, btw) |
| 22:20:18 | ThibG | 78fps without boost? |
| 22:20:27 | linuxstb | gevaerts: What do you mean by "use the flash" ? |
| 22:20:52 | shotofadds | no, with boost |
| 22:20:56 | ThibG | ok |
| 22:21:27 | shotofadds | seems "fast enough" for MpegPlayer already though :-) |
| 22:21:55 | gevaerts | linuxstb: if we have usb anyway, can't we just allow direct disk access, and (if needed for bootloader work) let the user put a file directly on the filesystem? |
| 22:22:45 | shotofadds | preglow: did you get any further with the SD stuff, still having problems with data transfer? |
| 22:23:04 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Probably.... Although why does the Sansa have a recovery mode like that at all then? |
| 22:24:32 | gevaerts | linuxstb: good question. Maybe you should ask them ;) |
| 22:25:07 | Llorean | preglow: Does the D2 TV out use the headphone jack or the accessory one? |
| 22:25:31 | shotofadds | Llorean: apparently it's through the custom accesory cable |
| 22:25:36 | Llorean | ew |
| 22:25:44 | shotofadds | I don't know whether it can be sued as line-out though |
| 22:25:51 | preglow | not only was the reso bad |
| 22:25:51 | shotofadds | (I don't have the cable btw) |
| 22:25:58 | preglow | it was buggy too |
| 22:26:03 | preglow | half of the picture was grey |
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| 22:26:30 | shotofadds | yuck. no wnoder people moan about it. |
| 22:26:34 | * | Llorean just recently got into the habit of enjoying hooking a portable device up to TVs for video watching |
| 22:26:42 | shotofadds | preglow: what was the sounds like? |
| 22:26:46 | preglow | shotofadds: decent |
| 22:26:56 | shotofadds | at least that's something... |
| 22:26:57 | preglow | shotofadds: and yeah, still have trouble data transfer on the sd side of things |
| 22:27:20 | * | domonoky think he did it !! can someone with mac try this ? jdgordon.info:8080/~domonoky/rbutilqt-fix.dmg">http://jdgordon.info:8080/~domonoky/rbutilqt-fix.dmg |
| 22:27:37 | preglow | domonoky: on it |
| 22:27:39 | shotofadds | scorche|sh: did you get a chance to try fs#9096 on your m200 .. the telechips one, obviously ;-) |
| 22:27:53 | shotofadds | preglow: gah, priorities, man! |
| 22:28:25 | preglow | domonoky: what should i look or? |
| 22:28:34 | shotofadds | ThibG: I'll submit your patch to SVN and worry about optimising it later. thanks a lot for your effort. |
| 22:28:47 | preglow | shotofadds: remember CREDITS |
| 22:28:49 | scorche|sh | shotofadds: sorry...was busy with laundry, life-planning, and sleep last night |
| 22:28:52 | gevaerts | preglow: D2 SD of course |
| 22:28:55 | ThibG | ok :) |
| 22:29:02 | domonoky | try if it runs.. what mac do you have ? i am especially interested in ppc mac :-) |
| 22:29:14 | preglow | domonoky: intel mac |
| 22:29:15 | ThibG | thanks for helping (and find things like width/2 :P) |
| 22:30:10 | domonoky | at least file tells me this build is universal.. so i hope it works on both.. |
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| 22:34:21 | bluebrother | sigh. How is __declspec(dllexport) supposed to work on non-windows? |
| 22:34:54 | gevaerts | Ah, yes. That one. Needs a define depending on OS I think |
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| 22:35:38 | gevaerts | Remove it on linux, and add a file with all exported functions somewhere to feed to ld |
| 22:35:38 | * | bluebrother hates Qt code being tied to w32 |
| 22:36:52 | * | shotofadds needs to find an editor that likes UTF-8 before fixing credits :/ |
| 22:37:04 | * | gevaerts recommends gvim |
| 22:38:10 | * | bluebrother seconds gevaerts :) |
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| 22:39:04 | * | ThibG is surprised that some editors don't like UTF-8 |
| 22:40:18 | gevaerts | shotofadds: if all else fails, use a hex editor |
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| 22:42:53 | preglow | domonoky: works fine on intel mac |
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| 22:45:49 | domonoky | good.. |
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| 22:47:57 | domonoky | now i need a makefile wizzard: we need to build librbspeex two times with different -arch parameters for gcc. and afterwards use lipo to combine them into one librbspeex.a. All with keeping how the makefile works for other linux and mac... someone has a idea on how to do this ? |
| 22:48:17 | * | shotofadds thanks the lord for Notepad2 |
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| 22:49:23 | bluebrother | domonoky: use ifeq () in make |
| 22:49:41 | bluebrother | and set some mac-specific definition before calling it |
| 22:49:56 | gevaerts | domonoky: how about always building librbspeex$(ARCH).a, for everyone? |
| 22:49:56 | bluebrother | other option: add a new makefile rule and call that instead ;-) |
| 22:50:47 | domonoky | yes, i know i can use ifeq with uname and Darwin, like it is done for mingw... but we need to run the make twize.. thats my problem.. :-/ |
| 22:50:59 | ThibG | time to go, bye |
| 22:51:38 | bluebrother | gevaerts idea sounds reasonable to me. Just add two rules to the pro file for mac |
| 22:51:59 | * | shotofadds grabs that 18000 |
| 22:52:10 | preglow | anyone tried using tcctool in a vmware linux? |
| 22:52:15 | bluebrother | or make a rule including $(ARCH) and make the librbspeex rule call both ones on mac |
| 22:52:30 | shotofadds | preglow: I can't even build it in the 'official' vmware image |
| 22:52:34 | shotofadds | libusb problems |
| 22:52:40 | preglow | shotofadds: it has no libusb-dev |
| 22:52:44 | shotofadds | exactly |
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| 22:52:52 | scorche|sh | well, that should be fixed soon |
| 22:52:56 | preglow | i've made my own image, so that doesn't matter |
| 22:53:00 | scorche|sh | i am aiming for this weekend |
| 22:53:01 | * | bluebrother suggests apt-get |
| 22:53:13 | Bagder | isn't usb stuff in vmware generally a bit problematic? |
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| 22:53:36 | scorche|sh | Bagder: it depends...the problem arises from windows grabbing it, then releasing it, then vmware grabbing it |
| 22:53:39 | gevaerts | I would expect so, especially with these id-changing reconnect tricks |
| 22:53:43 | Bagder | e200tool always had problems for example |
| 22:53:49 | shotofadds | bluebrother: this image is so old apt-get tries to upgrade practically everything |
| 22:53:51 | preglow | but the resulting binary spouts usb_set_configuration failed (-1) and dies |
| 22:54:03 | preglow | this is vmware on mac, btw |
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| 22:54:16 | preglow | usb seems to work fine, but then again, this is raw access |
| 22:54:18 | scorche|sh | shotofadds: i know i know...should be fixed soon =P |
| 22:54:25 | bluebrother | shotofadds: ok ... but you can always build it yourself |
| 22:54:34 | * | bluebrother did for getting the static object for rbutil binaries |
| 22:54:49 | preglow | tcctool does see the d2, though, i get something different if it's not connected |
| 22:55:18 | * | bluebrother still didn't succeed accessing his m200 with tcctool :( |
| 22:55:22 | shotofadds | bluebrother: of course, but if I move the mouse a few inches to the right the win32 version works already ;-) |
| 22:55:49 | * | preglow is pretty dependent on tcctool to avoid going mad while coding on his d2 |
| 22:55:56 | * | shotofadds too |
| 22:55:58 | Bagder | "New Revision: 18000" |
| 22:56:02 | Bagder | woohooo |
| 22:56:14 | Bagder | and the winner is shotofadds |
| 22:56:18 | * | shotofadds waits to see if he broke anything |
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| 22:56:29 | shotofadds | Bagder: nah, the winner is ThibG |
| 22:56:37 | Bagder | a right! |
| 22:57:32 | shotofadds | hehe, this means we can watch Elephants Dream all we like on the D2 now :p |
| 22:57:55 | gevaerts | If you can get it copied properly to the NAND that is ;) |
| 22:58:10 | low_light | gevaerts: you forgot the SA9200 in your usb changes...or you could just use the HAVE_ATA_SD define for that type of controller |
| 22:58:25 | shotofadds | gevaerts: copying TO is no problem... the other way round is more problematic :/ |
| 22:58:49 | shotofadds | the frame rate seems nice, btw |
| 22:58:51 | gevaerts | low_light: right. I'll fix it |
| 22:59:32 | low_light | thanks |
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| 22:59:59 | Llorean | shotofadds: What's "nice" mean in numbers? :) |
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| 23:00:28 | shotofadds | low_light: what firmware version is your c100 btw? |
| 23:00:46 | shotofadds | Llorean: I'm not sure, I can't read the FPS display :/ but it's >20 fps |
| 23:00:54 | gevaerts | Although it should probably also depend on portalplayer, or else preglow will be upset soon |
| 23:00:59 | Llorean | shotofadds: Did you try running the widescreen version? |
| 23:01:30 | shotofadds | nah, I haven't done any real testing yet. there's not much point until the NAND driver is a bit more reliable |
| 23:01:48 | low_light | shotofadds: just adding that to FS...it's 1.0.003A |
| 23:01:51 | shotofadds | video needs somewhat more date than audio... |
| 23:02:17 | * | gevaerts would consider the D2 usable when the either the SD driver or the NAND driver is ready |
| 23:02:46 | * | shotofadds too. the SD card will have to be the default drive, for saving setings, etc |
| 23:03:06 | shotofadds | I think that'll be usable enough. |
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| 23:03:30 | * | Llorean hopes "consider it usable" isn't the same as "consider it ready to be called supported" |
| 23:03:33 | shotofadds | I can live with (reliable) read-only internal flash access. |
| 23:04:01 | shotofadds | Llorean: could you take a look at the To Do list I put on the CowonD2Info page and see if there's anything we should add |
| 23:04:25 | gevaerts | Llorean: there are indeed slight differences |
| 23:04:36 | shotofadds | I doubt NAND write will happen this decade |
| 23:04:45 | Llorean | I just don't think "being able to use Rockbox effectively on the D2" should depend on ownership of an SD card. |
| 23:04:55 | Llorean | At least, if we're going to call it a "supported target" |
| 23:05:16 | preglow | damn, d2's really hung |
| 23:05:19 | preglow | need to find a pin |
| 23:05:29 | low_light | shotofadds: perhaps the other versions use the nand controller through the 0x60000000 regs |
| 23:05:49 | preglow | Llorean: ideally, no, but write support will be such a bitch |
| 23:05:56 | shotofadds | preglow: hold power for >1s and it should power off 8 seconds later :-) |
| 23:05:59 | preglow | shotofadds: nope |
| 23:06:06 | preglow | doesn't work |
| 23:06:19 | shotofadds | Llorean: I don't think that's a realistic aim. SD cards are two-a-penny, frankly. |
| 23:06:24 | preglow | shotofadds: usually does, but not today |
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| 23:06:34 | shotofadds | preglow: eek! what did you do? |
| 23:06:34 | Llorean | shotofadds: I think it's perfectly realistic. |
| 23:06:43 | shotofadds | you code it, then :p |
| 23:06:45 | Llorean | There's no reason to tell people "It's a supported target" when it requires additional hardware to use. |
| 23:06:49 | preglow | shotofadds: leave it in tcctool mode for too long |
| 23:06:54 | Llorean | Is there some reason we're in a hurry to call it supported? |
| 23:07:01 | preglow | we're not |
| 23:07:13 | Llorean | The Gigabeast isn't supported and it's MUCH more functional than the D2 will be if it depends on an SD card to be usable. |
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| 23:07:40 | shotofadds | Llorean: no, there's no hurry. but what I'm saying is that I don't think write support is achieveable for us, full stop. |
| 23:07:42 | Llorean | I say we keep it in the "Rockbox runs, but it's still only a development version" until we don't have to require people buy extra hardware just to be able to change their settings. |
| 23:07:50 | gevaerts | Actually, I've been thinking. (shout if this is too far fetched). Would something like jffs2 have the needed wear-leveling features ? And if so, and supposing we have MTP support, could we (at least in theory) go that way? |
| 23:08:08 | preglow | pfew, tcctool just needed a sudo |
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| 23:08:24 | Bagder | gevaerts: jffs2 has wear-leveling features, yes |
| 23:08:29 | preglow | wear-levelling is always needed |
| 23:08:40 | preglow | these nands can't take too many writes to one block before going flakey |
| 23:08:43 | shotofadds | gevaerts: if we forbade OF access, yes. |
| 23:08:49 | Llorean | shotofadds: As to the list on the wiki page, I think both "FM" and the battery calibration, and the solution to the playback delay can all go under "'nice to have" rather than requirements for it to be called usable |
| 23:08:57 | * | bluebrother managed to build libproxy.so.1 for the wps editor \o/ |
| 23:09:11 | gevaerts | shotofadds: indeed. No UMS and no dual boot would be the price |
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| 23:09:26 | shotofadds | ..and no DAB, Flash Player, etc for people who like those things |
| 23:09:47 | gevaerts | DAB may be easier than NAND :) |
| 23:09:54 | preglow | i'm pretty sure it will be... |
| 23:09:58 | shotofadds | that's probably not a joke |
| 23:10:07 | Llorean | And telling the people they need to make a choice between using the OF and using Rockbox is something we've done before. |
| 23:10:44 | gevaerts | I think no UMS would be the hardest sell. People here don't seem to like MTP |
| 23:10:46 | shotofadds | I don't think even I'd be happy with that, though. |
| 23:11:19 | preglow | but no, given the difficulty in even having good _READ_ access work, i think write access is highly unlikely |
| 23:12:21 | gevaerts | Anyway it would need a lot of work (easier than NAND, but still a lot), so it's probably only good as a fallback if nothing else works |
| 23:12:24 | bluebrother | still segfaults though |
| 23:13:18 | shotofadds | I don't see the problem with requiring an SD card for Rockbox. I'd have though most users serious enough to play with Rockbox will probably be using the SD card capabilities already. |
| 23:13:43 | gevaerts | For the D2, yes. But what about the other telechips players with direct NAND and no sd slot? |
| 23:13:47 | shotofadds | If anyone moans I have a 16Mb and a 32Mb from digital cameras to supply :p |
| 23:13:58 | Llorean | shotofadds: Why do we need to call it "supported" so badly? |
| 23:14:08 | shotofadds | I didn't say we did. |
| 23:14:17 | gevaerts | We want to call it "usable" |
| 23:14:18 | Llorean | For one, if you have an SD card as the only place to save settings, you end up with settings changing when/if you swap cards. |
| 23:14:30 | gevaerts | That's a feature :) |
| 23:14:38 | Llorean | As well, people will have D2s, try to install Rockbox, find it doesn't work reliably, and report bugs against it before finding out they need an SD card |
| 23:14:42 | shotofadds | Yes indeedy. But that's better than no write access at all |
| 23:14:50 | midgey | Bagder: the newest version of 9067 is mostly the same as the version I sent you a few days ago. I slightly cleaned up my changes to genlang and voice.pl (regarding PlainTalk on Mac) and fixed Chessbox bulding. It should work the exact same way. |
| 23:15:06 | Bagder | ah |
| 23:15:06 | shotofadds | Well no, I wouldn't allow them able to install it without an SD card. |
| 23:15:09 | Llorean | "usable" doesn't mean anything |
| 23:15:13 | shotofadds | (if we go that route) |
| 23:15:17 | Llorean | We either endorse it as "supported" or say it's still a development version. |
| 23:15:49 | Llorean | I mean, we either provide builds and manuals for it, or we don't. |
| 23:16:13 | shotofadds | I think we should be providing builds and manuals from the point when it is usable. |
| 23:16:30 | gevaerts | I think we need to distinguish "usable for developers", and "supported". SD is clearly sufficient for the first case, so I think we should concentrate on that |
| 23:16:34 | Llorean | Then you're advocating making it a "supported" target in everything but perhaps front page mention. |
| 23:16:44 | Llorean | People will see it on the "Builds" page and think the front page is out of date. |
| 23:17:11 | Llorean | gevaerts: usable for developers doesn't require a manual or "Current Build" download. |
| 23:17:30 | shotofadds | I'm not advocating anything. I'm just saying that, in your scenario, the D2 will never reach the front page. I'll say again, write support is not realistic. So frankly we might as well not bother. |
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| 23:18:13 | Llorean | shotofadds: Many things have been said to be unrealistic. Obviously the OF engineers were able to do it, so it is within the realm of possibility, just not necessarily probability. |
| 23:18:25 | Llorean | Why should we put it on the front page if it's just going to generate a lot of bug reports? |
| 23:18:39 | midgey | Bagder: have you looked at the talking changes (mainly to genlang)? |
| 23:19:01 | Bagder | midgey: not properly yet, no |
| 23:19:09 | gevaerts | Bagder: is the build master stuck? |
| 23:19:37 | preglow | i couldn't care less if we put it on the front page, really |
| 23:20:11 | midgey | Bagder: I artificially add 0x16000 to all plugin language ids so there are no repeats in voicefontids |
| 23:20:13 | Bagder | gevaerts: I poked it now, let's see... |
| 23:20:27 | preglow | Llorean: they were able to develop it, we have to reverse-engineer it, in an area where a bug might render your flash unusable, so it'll be damned hard |
| 23:20:58 | Bagder | midgey: I can't see any particularly bad with that |
| 23:21:21 | Llorean | preglow: I don't see that as a reason to mark it as "supported" though. |
| 23:21:52 | gevaerts | Llorean: maybe we can add a category below supported, but above "may work some day, someone might be working on it" |
| 23:21:57 | Llorean | I guess it's a question of "is it worse to leave a player in 'not quite supported' status, or to rush it out to users despite problems that will confuse and irritate them" |
| 23:22:28 | midgey | Well great! I haven't really talked about my work much on IRC. It seemed like a good idea to discuss what I've done so far. |
| 23:22:30 | preglow | Llorean: i'm not saying it's a reason to mark it supported at all |
| 23:22:53 | preglow | but then it'll have to be ok to have a target that'll never be supported |
| 23:22:55 | Llorean | preglow: Well I don't know what your point is at all. All I'm suggesting is that it stay "For Developers" and not be directly linked from the download or manual pages. |
| 23:23:16 | preglow | "for eclectic users" |
| 23:23:22 | Llorean | That possibly too. |
| 23:23:34 | bluebrother | there will be too much eclectic users ... |
| 23:24:03 | * | gevaerts would find a "supported, with serious (but documented and not necessarily dangerous) limitations" category acceptable |
| 23:24:29 | preglow | i don't really care, not much will change for me |
| 23:24:43 | preglow | people will still use it, post bugs and come along with code from time to time |
| 23:24:56 | shotofadds | I think documentation and an installation method is a pre-requisite. There's no point in trying to do a port if we can't at least aim to get that far. |
| 23:25:17 | preglow | ooh, new d2 dab firmware |
| 23:25:34 | shotofadds | preglow: yeah, and for the first time it works perfectly for me |
| 23:25:35 | preglow | now if i only understood what stages of the install cowon says i need to run... |
| 23:26:04 | shotofadds | I flashed the '1' folder, but then it wouldn't play music, so I did a Quick Format from windows |
| 23:26:05 | * | domonoky now has a 4 way step to build the correct rbspeex lib: 1. "ARCH=ppc make librbspeexppc.a" 2. "make clean" 3. "ARCH=i386 make librbspeexi386.a" 4. "make universal" :-) |
| 23:26:07 | shotofadds | all is fine since |
| 23:26:20 | gevaerts | If the only limitation is "you need an SD card", I see no reason not to have an easiy accessible manual and build, provided that there are enough warnings nearby (such as a split download table) |
| 23:26:26 | preglow | shotofadds: so you don't think just flashing 2 is enough? |
| 23:26:41 | domonoky | but we can add it to the pro file, so nobody has todo it by hand.. |
| 23:27:27 | Llorean | gevaerts: And, rbutil? |
| 23:27:35 | shotofadds | preglow: oh yeah, you need 2 as well. but don't bother with 0 :-) |
| 23:28:05 | Llorean | I think for a target to be "supported" someone needs to be able to stumble across the Rockbox website, say "oooh, I have that player" and within an hour have it installed without further investment. |
| 23:28:06 | shotofadds | Llorean: yes. given sufficient warning. you've heard of "managing expectations", right? |
| 23:28:18 | gevaerts | Llorean: rbutil could have a "show limited ports" setting |
| 23:28:19 | Llorean | I wouldn't object to the dev.cgi page having separate download binaries for "In development" targets |
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| 23:28:28 | Llorean | So a binary version IS available, but it's on an entirely different page, and is "In Development" |
| 23:28:42 | * | shotofadds likes gevaerts' idea |
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| 23:28:54 | Llorean | shotofadds: I've spent 3 years providing support for this software. "managing expectations" doesn't work when people skip all text and go straight to the download link. |
| 23:29:10 | preglow | shotofadds: i mean flashing just 2, isn't one just graphics and shit? they usually don't update that |
| 23:29:31 | gevaerts | Just clearly separate "fully working" ports and "not fully working, but clearly documented limitations, and unlikely to get any farther" ports |
| 23:29:49 | shotofadds | Llorean: I realise that. I just don't want to see things end up as another dead port a la iFP. |
| 23:30:03 | bluebrother | domonoky: don't forget if someone wants to build rbspeex{dec,enc} |
| 23:30:32 | domonoky | it works building them, but they wont be universal.. |
| 23:30:37 | Llorean | shotofadds: If it's incomplete, it's incomplete. How will it be "dead" if it's just relegated to an "In Development" section rather than claiming it's working and supported? |
| 23:30:39 | shotofadds | preglow: I flashed the d2_rs.bin as I noticed the date had changed (but yeah it's just graphics and stuff) |
| 23:31:05 | Llorean | shotofadds: People can still get it, and people can still download it. It's just excessively clear it's not finished yet. |
| 23:31:10 | shotofadds | Llorean: sitting in limbo with no manual and no installer *ever* sounds pretty dead to me |
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| 23:31:29 | Llorean | I never said no manual. I said no linked manual. |
| 23:31:35 | * | gevaerts thinks that different people have different views of what "incomplete" means. |
| 23:32:18 | Llorean | I consider it "complete" when enough of the internal hardware is working that one can use it for the core functionality by simply installing Rockbox on it. |
| 23:32:20 | gevaerts | We don't support TV out on the ipod video, and lots of ipod remotes. Does that make the ipod port incomplete and therefore unsupported ? |
| 23:32:33 | Llorean | gevaerts: None of those are "core" functionality, in any way, of Rockbox. |
| 23:32:39 | scorche|sh | shotofadds: this really is a philosophy thing...calling the D2 port complete would be a complete change in what we have done in the past |
| 23:32:42 | Llorean | Playing music and saving playlists are. |
| 23:32:56 | Llorean | scorche|sh: That's debatable, this is a unique situation. |
| 23:33:15 | scorche|sh | Llorean: i dont think so...it would apply to other targets |
| 23:33:29 | Llorean | Maybe the iFP, I understand it had read-only flash access and could play music. |
| 23:34:54 | Llorean | What's wrong with calling it "In Development" if a binary's still made available? |
| 23:35:13 | scorche|sh | nothing in my opinion |
| 23:35:37 | shotofadds | Llorean: nothing, but I don't get why you said "no linked manual" |
| 23:35:54 | * | shotofadds is going for a cuppa. back in a bit |
| 23:35:55 | gevaerts | If that means that it will effectively stay "In Development" forever, it may affect motivation |
| 23:36:42 | scorche|sh | well, we cant very well call it complete just like the other targets |
| 23:36:50 | Llorean | I would think "giving up and calling builds supported" would motivate people to more readily try to claim "workarounds are good enough" |
| 23:37:19 | Llorean | shotofadds: If the wiki page is good enough for installing it, why do we need one? |
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| 23:39:24 | gevaerts | I don't see any problem with separating full ports and limited ports, but I do see problems with hiding ports that are easy to install and perfectly usable by normal users provided they have an SD card. |
| 23:39:58 | scorche|sh | as long as it is separate, i am fine |
| 23:40:09 | Llorean | I don't see putting it on the development page as hiding it. |
| 23:40:15 | scorche|sh | and it isnt like we should be keeping anyone from making a manual for the device if they wish to |
| 23:40:41 | shotofadds | Llorean: oh come on. There are plenty of people who know what an SD card is who shouldn't need to complete bootloaders and the like themselves. an easy patching method is a necessity, at least |
| 23:40:54 | PaulJam | let the RSB decide ;) |
| 23:40:56 | Llorean | shotofadds: And I never said anything against an easy patching method... |
| 23:41:04 | shotofadds | true :) |
| 23:41:13 | * | shotofadds is really going now. |
| 23:41:45 | Llorean | My whole point, though, is that it should be "as clear as possible", not just "reasonably clear" that this version does not work like the other ones, and has unique and mandatory requirements for normal use. |
| 23:42:11 | Llorean | I think this is best served by not providing it in the same place as other builds, because people *will* skip past the fact that it's in a different table, or further down the page, or whatever. |
| 23:42:35 | scorche|sh | with a link of the burrent builds page/ |
| 23:42:38 | scorche|sh | current |
| 23:42:45 | gevaerts | I agree, but my point is that it should also be "as clear as possible" that these are not just random in development ports that maybe have a half-working bootloader |
| 23:43:05 | Llorean | The current builds page can have a link to an anchor on the other page for "Other builds in varying states of usability" or some such |
| 23:43:21 | Llorean | gevaerts: We don't provide binaries for those at all, though... |
| 23:43:31 | Llorean | As long as that policy doesn't change, there's nothing to get it confused with. |
| 23:44:09 | gevaerts | We don't link to binaries for those. |
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| 23:44:52 | gevaerts | Anyway, I think we mostly agree, except maybe on minor details. We can solve those when preglow has finished the sd driver :) |
| 23:45:05 | Llorean | I mean, they need special install instructions anyway. |
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| 23:45:23 | Llorean | How about a single link on the "Current Build" page to "Mostly Usable Ports" |
| 23:45:25 | preglow | let's just introduce a "port status" or something :> |
| 23:45:32 | gevaerts | Llorean: That works |
| 23:45:34 | Llorean | On that page we provide links to individual install instructions, and "current" binaries for each |
| 23:45:43 | scorche|sh | Llorean: that is what i was thinking |
| 23:45:49 | preglow | Feature-complete ports and Partial ports |
| 23:46:37 | Llorean | And I really don't think they should show up in RBUtil by default. Maybe if some "Include in-development builds" option is set and a warning is given. |
| 23:46:42 | preglow | as long as we make it visible that a port is limited in some ways, i don't see any good reasons not to call them "supported" |
| 23:47:04 | preglow | but it'd have to be very well visible |
| 23:47:45 | gevaerts | Whether we call them supported or not is irrelevant IMO. What is relevant is if we _can_ support what's there |
| 23:47:49 | preglow | Llorean: if you've fired up rbutil with the intent of installing it on your dap, you've already pretty much decided you're gonna go for it, no use in making it more difficult than it has to |
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| 23:48:21 | Llorean | preglow: If you've fired up RBUtil and then read through the list and see a bunch of players not listed on the front page, you might just think the website is out of date? |
| 23:48:25 | preglow | i'd rather prefer a warning if you do try it, since that'd only be a simple "ok" to push instead of some option to switch on |
| 23:48:34 | Llorean | What's wrong with a single extra configuration option, especially if it's just a checkbox on the player select screen, and obvious? |
| 23:49:23 | preglow | nothing wrong per se, just more difficult than it has to be |
| 23:49:28 | scorche|sh | it would be easy to just have it under another root |
| 23:49:30 | gevaerts | Have Autodetect tell you "I didn't find a supported player, but turn on the less-supported-players options and try again"? |
| 23:49:30 | preglow | but anyway, i'm gonna just not care about this |
| 23:49:33 | Llorean | And less misleading. |
| 23:49:48 | preglow | i'll do my coding no matter what people label the port |
| 23:50:08 | Llorean | gevaerts: Or even "Found Cowon D2: Build is usable but does not contain all functionality, continue?" |
| 23:50:19 | preglow | Llorean: sounds good |
| 23:51:00 | gevaerts | Llorean: Make that show a short summary of what's missing, and you; |
| 23:51:03 | gevaerts | 're there |
| 23:51:07 | Llorean | I'm still dubious about using the term "Supported" the same way we do for more complete builds. |
| 23:51:09 | preglow | i'd be perfectly comfortable with that, less chances of people posting to ask why their d2 is not found |
| 23:51:22 | Llorean | Though I guess another possibility is splitting "Current Builds" into "Current Builds of Released Targets" and "Unreleased Targets" |
| 23:51:33 | Llorean | Then we can just leave the D2 without a release version. |
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| 23:52:22 | Llorean | Any unreleased target is either going to be new, or missing _some_ fundamental functionality we decided warranted holding it back. |
| 23:52:46 | gevaerts | It can be handled exactly the same as those targets that we may throw out for not having charging, or no clickwheel |
| 23:52:55 | Llorean | Or being unable to turn off. |
| 23:53:15 | gevaerts | indeed. There really is no practical difference I guess |
| 23:53:40 | Llorean | "you can use it, but some things won't work like you'd reasonably expect" |
| 23:54:08 | Bagder | YCUIBSTWWLYRE ? |
| 23:54:25 | Bagder | now pronounce that! |
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| 23:54:52 | preglow | WHYCUBBEASTWOLYRE |
| 23:54:54 | Llorean | Yah-quib-stoo-lyre |
| 23:55:26 | gevaerts | Bagder: we're on irc. We don't _have_ to pronounce it ;) |
| 23:55:37 | preglow | think of the devcons! |
| 23:55:42 | Bagder | what? you don't read everything out loud? |
| 23:56:09 | gevaerts | preglow: at devcons we're not dealing with normal users, so this phrase doesn't apply ;) |
| 23:56:09 | preglow | or are devcons irc only too? :> |
| 23:56:26 | gevaerts | Actually, now that you mention it... |
| 23:56:49 | gevaerts | Bagder: I only write out loud |
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