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| 00:04:59 | stripwax | How about "Build is not complete and may not work and/or may have missing standard features, are you sure you want to continue?" |
| 00:05:07 | stripwax | (for some values of 'complete' of course..) |
| 00:05:17 | stripwax | oops, ^have^be |
| 00:05:46 | gevaerts | Basically, but I really want some details about what's actually missing in that message |
| 00:07:02 | Llorean | gevaerts: Maybe a link to a page unique for that build describing its missing "normal" features |
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| 00:08:19 | gevaerts | Llorean: for full details, sure. But if it's just "You need an SD card", or "You need to reboot to the OF for file transfer" I think the dialog is big enough. It's not as if these limitations change often anyway |
| 00:08:57 | Llorean | gevaerts: But on a full page we could then expand the consequences of that limitation, and what not to file bug reports about. |
| 00:09:29 | Llorean | Maybe "You need an SD card. [Why?]" with that being the link. |
| 00:09:46 | gevaerts | Good idea. |
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| 00:10:46 | preglow | "Hi! Looks like you're trying to use my without an SD card. These are the ways in which you failed: ..." |
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| 00:12:22 | scorche|sh | rocky! |
| 00:13:17 | * | preglow looks around for rocky |
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| 00:22:32 | stripwax | saratoga - hi! I put up the profiling patch |
| 00:26:54 | shotofadds | Having read the last half hour's log, I'm pretty much in agreement with those last comments. A Not-Quite-Supported section with suitable warnings (both on the website and rbUtil) sounds like a good point to aim for, if and when we ever reach that stage. |
| 00:27:43 | shotofadds | Llorean: for clarification, I created that To Do list so that anyone coming along would know which areas to have a look at, not as any kind of ambitions of being a supported target... |
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| 00:28:07 | shotofadds | that intention hass already paid off tonight, with ThibG's lcd_blit_yuv() patch :-) |
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| 00:43:06 | saratoga | stripwax: I'll try and take a look at some point in the next few days |
| 00:43:15 | saratoga | in the mean time, i don't suppose you have profiled any codecs? |
| 00:44:13 | stripwax | yeah, lame with a bit of additional instrumentation fiddling added to remove some of the inlined code and instrumented wrappers around the asm routines. but no surprises. |
| 00:44:50 | stripwax | other than mad_bit_skip and mad_bit_read taking about 15% of the ticks, which seemed high |
| 00:44:50 | saratoga | stripwax: can you pastebin it? |
| 00:44:55 | stripwax | sure.. one sec |
| 00:45:03 | stripwax | ^lame^libmad, whoops |
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| 00:47:32 | MarcGuay | This might be old news but I just came across a plugin for IDA-Pro that tries to convert ASM to C: http://desquirr.sourceforge.net/desquirr/ |
| 00:48:15 | preglow | pretty old |
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| 00:48:18 | preglow | does it still work? |
| 00:49:54 | MarcGuay | Using it with 5.2 and it's producing code. I'm not competent enough to say whether it's working properly, though. |
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| 01:02:00 | stripwax | saratoga : http://pastebin.ca/1067317 |
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| 01:08:53 | stripwax | without tweaking the code to turn off inlining on some of those fns and adding c wrappers for the sam, you don't get any breakdown of the III_decode routine, just a single big entry called III_decode |
| 01:08:57 | stripwax | ^sam^asm |
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| 01:41:27 | Strife89 | I get this feeling that rockboxdev.sh is running 'round in circles. How long would one estimate the script needs before it has installed binutils and GCC? (~800 MHz processor). |
| 01:42:39 | saratoga | Strife89: on a machine that slow you're going to be waiting a very long time |
| 01:42:53 | Strife89 | Go figure, huh? |
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| 01:44:24 | scorche|sh | just have patience |
| 01:45:55 | Strife89 | I pretty much learned patience with Windows and my 10 and 8 year old computers. :) |
| 01:46:13 | Strife89 | I was just nervous, that's all. |
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| 01:48:23 | stripwax | would it be quicker to install vmware/cygwin (delete as appropriate)? |
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| 01:49:10 | scorche|sh | unless you are on dialup, probably (but then again, it sounds as if he is on linux) |
| 01:51:27 | Strife89 | Might as well ask: How much disk space should I count on being used? |
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| 02:13:03 | allele | stupid question, but rockbox performs integer division when dividing integers, right? |
| 02:13:47 | saratoga | allele: it can |
| 02:14:31 | allele | does it do that by default when dividing integers? |
| 02:15:12 | saratoga | allele: yes |
| 02:15:20 | saratoga | well technically gcc does |
| 02:15:51 | saratoga | since it handles all the c language features |
| 02:16:26 | allele | ok, thanks |
| 02:30:27 | stripwax | allele - some (most) devices that run rockbox don't have hardware float units so everything is integer when it comes down to it |
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| 02:38:00 | allele | does anyone know if the microsd cards on the sansa e200 stick out of the side when they are plugged into it? |
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| 02:57:14 | ze | allele: not saying they don't because i've no idea... however, imo it'd be horrible and braindead design if they couldn't get a *micro*sd to go all the way into something... |
| 02:57:44 | ze | hell i think if you could manage to cut the slot for it, you could fit a microsd into a US penny |
| 02:57:47 | ze | :p |
| 02:58:03 | ze | definately a nickel at least |
| 02:58:46 | allele | yeah, that makes sense, thanks |
| 02:59:38 | MarcGuay | allele: You may want to search google images to be sure. |
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| 03:04:51 | allele | I tried searching in the past, haven't seen images with the card sticking out, so chances are it won't, worst case I can live with the 8gigs onboard if I'm in a situation the card would break sticking out |
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| 03:51:04 | guest67 | JdGordon: there? |
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| 04:07:00 | JdGordon | guest67: ? |
| 04:08:09 | guest67 | JdGordon: please review the changes you did in r17872 again. To me they don't really make sense and i'm experiencing a problem since that revision: when no charger is connected to my H300 and the sleep timer reaches zero then the device doesn't shut down anymore, only music stops and the screen turns off. this behaviour should only happen when a charger is connected. |
| 04:08:38 | guest67 | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/powermgmt.c?r1=17871;r2=17872;pathrev=17872 |
| 04:09:58 | JdGordon | hmm.. yep your right.. an extra ! got in there |
| 04:11:27 | JdGordon | guest67: can you compile your own builds? |
| 04:12:29 | guest67 | could you also have a look at the #if line? it looks like normal variables are used in there. and there is no code between the #if and #endif. |
| 04:12:38 | guest67 | yes i can compile |
| 04:12:57 | JdGordon | remove the ! from line 470 and let me know if that fixes it? |
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| 04:17:43 | guest67 | ok. (btw, ignore what i wrote about the #if line) |
| 04:20:07 | JdGordon | I did :p |
| 04:30:14 | allele | hypothetical question, is it more efficient to multiply a number by -1 to negate it or to subtract it from zero? |
| 04:30:52 | JdGordon | blaa = -blaa; |
| 04:31:40 | guest67 | JdGordon: shutdown when not charging works. ill test with normal- and USB charging next. |
| 04:32:00 | JdGordon | 99% sure it should work fine |
| 04:32:04 | JdGordon | thanks for pointing out |
| 04:33:14 | guest67 | now that i looked at the code with syntax highlighting (and thus understand it) i'm thinking that too. |
| 04:33:32 | JdGordon | that was a bad copy/paste mistake |
| 04:33:36 | JdGordon | fixed now |
| 04:33:52 | safetydan | allele: let the compiler sort that out. Write what's clearest. |
| 04:34:35 | allele | so prettymuch either are as efficient on my end? |
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| 04:37:57 | d1sturb | When using the convbdf to make a font, what size do I make it? |
| 04:40:47 | guest67 | JdGordon: just to confirm, while charging everything works as expected too. thanks. |
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| 04:41:30 | webguest25 | i need help with a sansa e270 |
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| 04:42:14 | webguest84 | can anyone help |
| 04:42:30 | guest67 | you need to tell the problem first. |
| 04:43:37 | webguest84 | ok, i attempted to load rockbox, it even said rockbox loaded on the sansa |
| 04:43:52 | webguest84 | vanilla detected or something like that was also on there |
| 04:44:04 | guest67 | what is "it"? |
| 04:44:17 | webguest84 | then screen |
| 04:44:20 | webguest84 | the* |
| 04:44:20 | scorche | i still dont see any problem |
| 04:44:37 | webguest84 | well, now it only loads up the Sandisk start up screen |
| 04:44:45 | webguest84 | and my computer won't recognize it |
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| 04:45:26 | advcomp2019 | are you booting into the sansa firmware? |
| 04:45:50 | webguest84 | like, by holding << ? |
| 04:46:05 | advcomp2019 | yes |
| 04:46:08 | webguest84 | i tried that, doesn't work |
| 04:46:15 | webguest84 | neither does recovery mode |
| 04:48:50 | webguest84 | my computer will recognize it in manufacture mode, but i can't look at it still, i believe it is finding it through libusb if that helps any |
| 04:48:51 | safetydan | allele: clear is more important than fast for 99% of code |
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| 04:49:39 | allele | what about the other 1%? :P |
| 04:49:57 | Llorean | You write it in ASM |
| 04:50:14 | webguest84 | ? |
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| 04:50:32 | allele | alrighty clear it is :-D |
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| 04:50:44 | webguest84 | any ideas |
| 04:50:56 | Llorean | webguest84: If you can boot it to the Sandisk logo, there's no reason Recovery mode shouldn't work. What happens when you try recovery mode? |
| 04:51:06 | webguest84 | i'm just trying to get this thing back to factory settings |
| 04:51:23 | webguest84 | when i try recovery mode, it goes to the sandisk logo, and freezes up |
| 04:51:36 | webguest84 | wait no |
| 04:52:25 | webguest84 | its says key locked, system shutdown and it turns off |
| 04:52:32 | allele | hehehe |
| 04:52:37 | allele | remove hold buddy |
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| 04:52:56 | Llorean | webguest84: Then you aren't doing it exactly as per the instructions. |
| 04:53:24 | webguest84 | nevermind, thats with hold on, with hold off it just freezes at sandisk |
| 04:53:29 | Llorean | allele: Please don't give advice when you don't know the exact details. |
| 04:53:37 | Llorean | Hold is supposed to be on. |
| 04:54:01 | Llorean | webguest84: Please, describe in your own words exactly what buttons you're pressing. You're not doing it right (hold IS supposed to be on) but I need to know how you describe what you're doing. |
| 04:54:57 | advcomp2019 | webguest84, you forgot the button |
| 04:55:11 | webguest84 | pressing and holding the bottom button, the one with the one long line and three shorter ones under it |
| 04:55:21 | webguest84 | then plugging the usb to the pc |
| 04:55:35 | JdGordon | hold the rec button if you want recovery mode |
| 04:55:53 | webguest84 | oh eff |
| 04:56:09 | webguest84 | stupid sleeve my wife put on this thing hides that dang button |
| 04:56:36 | webguest84 | haha thanks guys |
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| 05:01:36 | webguest84 | GREAT SUCCESS!!! |
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| 05:23:22 | JdGordon | Llorean: any reason why the feature forum isnt sorted by most recent post? |
| 05:23:55 | Llorean | JdGordon: Glitchy defaults when I create new forums. Un momento |
| 05:24:48 | JdGordon | :) |
| 05:25:19 | Llorean | Boards get created with the default as "Sort by first post" while the overall forum default is set to "Sort by newest post" |
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| 05:29:22 | JdGordon | thats a bit odd |
| 05:30:50 | donsdl | When I plug my Sansa E2xx into USB the screen always said "connected". But the last two or three times it says "writing". Do I have a problem? |
| 05:31:10 | JdGordon | no |
| 05:31:22 | JdGordon | just dont unplug it if it is says writing |
| 05:33:17 | donsdl | It said "writing" when I plugged it in last night, and said "writing" this morning. I used it today and when I plugged it in this evening a couple of hours ago, it said "writing" and it still does. |
| 05:34:44 | Llorean | Frankly, the message "Writing" is something that occurs due to the communication between the original firmware and your PC's operating system. |
| 05:34:55 | Llorean | It's not really something to do with Rockbox, or that Rockbox can do anything about |
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| 05:35:31 | donsdl | Hmmm. The original firmware should not have changed though. |
| 05:35:41 | JdGordon | donsdl: just remember to eject it and your fine |
| 05:36:50 | donsdl | JdGordon: Ah, as in the "Safely Remove Hardware" in Windows? I always do that. |
| 05:36:54 | Llorean | donsdl: The OF can be just as buggy as it likes, though. |
| 05:37:14 | saratoga | i'd expect val = val*-1 and val = 0-val to both give the same assembly code since arm has an op for negation |
| 05:37:37 | donsdl | I've had the Sansa for about a year. I don't think it has done that in the past. |
| 05:37:59 | saratoga | if you're not actually writing what the sansa screen says is irrelevent |
| 05:38:15 | donsdl | But I will not worry since it played fine today. |
| 05:38:31 | saratoga | don't know how coldfire handles those things |
| 05:38:31 | donsdl | Thanks for the help, guys. |
| 05:40:35 | Llorean | saratoga: I would assume if the compiler simplifies them both down to the appropriate op on ARM, it'll hopefully pick the most appropriate method on coldfire too |
| 05:40:46 | d1sturb | w00t. made my own theme, some fonts, and repaired the code in the wps's. :) |
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| 09:04:02 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/07/10/rockbox-on-the-onda-vx747/ |
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| 09:06:38 | Llorean | For US people, the Onda is pretty darn cheap at amazon right now, too |
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| 09:12:22 | * | amiconn is interested in that new architecture entering the rockbox world |
| 09:12:34 | amiconn | If only that thing wouldn't use a touchscreen... :/ |
| 09:17:54 | JdGordon | Llorean: how much? |
| 09:18:42 | JdGordon | $60 for 4gb aint bad |
| 09:18:44 | Llorean | JdGordon: Actually, I'm pretty sure it's not actually one. |
| 09:19:05 | Llorean | At least, you get there when you search for it, but nothing on that page actually refers to it as such. |
| 09:20:50 | JdGordon | $90 on some random mp4global site |
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| 09:26:06 | * | JdGordon is tempted |
| 09:27:03 | petur | bah, yet another target without line-in :/ |
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| 09:27:36 | petur | I wonder what's inside the iriver E100 |
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| 09:33:41 | B4gder | it is a bit strange that we don't know that yet |
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| 09:53:17 | B4gder | yeah I did too |
| 09:57:22 | adamgolding | rockbox boots but the OF will not, trying to boot the OF just hangs at the apple for awhile and then restarts (5.5G) |
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| 10:00:15 | advcomp2019 | i do not know if enzo still has his iriver e100 but he might open his.. i will not guarantee he will open it |
| 10:08:10 | markun | I see an 8GB ondia VX757 for 80 euro, I wonder if it's powered by the same CPU. |
| 10:09:24 | markun | "Also the Onda vx747 and the vx757 all have this same chip AKA 'ChinaChip' as well. The Onda vx767 is the First PMP to use the JZ4740 chip." |
| 10:09:43 | markun | according to http://www.allpmp.net/archiver/tid-1242.html |
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| 10:13:13 | pondlife | Voice clips seem to be getting cut off more than ever at the moment. Not just .talk clips, but menus too. |
| 10:13:38 | pondlife | Any way we can play the rbspeex output on a PC to check if it's the clip generation or playback that's the problem? |
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| 10:18:01 | Llorean | pondlife: Try voice with music playing. |
| 10:18:07 | pondlife | Good idea |
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| 10:18:12 | Llorean | If it's the old bug still around, you'll get the full clip when music is playing, but cut when music isn't. |
| 10:18:46 | pondlife | Yep, that's the one - only seems worse to me |
| 10:18:52 | pondlife | Probably in my imagination though |
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| 10:21:31 | gfather | hello guys |
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| 10:24:22 | timonator | hello folks |
| 10:24:25 | gevaerts | pondlife: a few days before devcon amiconn noticed flacs getting cut off as well |
| 10:24:47 | timonator | i think i just bricked this ipod nano here, it won't boot up any more at all, what can i do to check its status and/or (hopefully) revive it? |
| 10:24:56 | pondlife | So maybe it's a general PCM flushing issue? |
| 10:25:06 | pondlife | Seems ok on the sim, but not on H300 |
| 10:25:19 | gevaerts | timonator: if it doesn nothing at all, the recommended way is to let it charge for a very lon time first (a full day) |
| 10:25:46 | timonator | O_O |
| 10:25:55 | timonator | but its battery was _full_ |
| 10:26:22 | timonator | it said 8 and a half hours of battery life left |
| 10:26:36 | GodEater | nevertheless, this is the advice we give |
| 10:26:49 | gevaerts | You can try the hard reset procedure first (can't remember the key combination off-hand though) |
| 10:27:01 | GodEater | Menu+Select |
| 10:27:05 | pondlife | Toggle hold, then hold MENU+SELECT for ages |
| 10:27:15 | timonator | what does hard reset do? is it just a "reboot" like thing? |
| 10:27:18 | pondlife | Yep |
| 10:27:19 | GodEater | yes |
| 10:27:30 | timonator | ok. toggle lock so it showd red, right? |
| 10:27:36 | * | pondlife will let GodEater advise further as he actually has an iPod... |
| 10:27:38 | gevaerts | No, on and off again |
| 10:27:55 | timonator | ah, great |
| 10:28:01 | timonator | it came back to life, thanks! |
| 10:28:21 | GodEater | once again, another "bricked" ipod =/ |
| 10:28:30 | gevaerts | OK, then it was probably stuck with backlight off |
| 10:28:48 | timonator | will it show absolutely nothing when the backlight is off? |
| 10:28:51 | * | pondlife would offer someone with a bricked iPod a couple of quid for it... |
| 10:29:03 | GodEater | me too - shame there's pretty much no such thing |
| 10:29:10 | timonator | hah, ok |
| 10:29:15 | gevaerts | timonator: try it. Wait until the backlight turns off, and try to read the screen |
| 10:29:18 | pondlife | Shh, stop telling them that, or I'll never get my bargain. |
| 10:29:54 | gevaerts | pondlife: there was someone with a bricked ipod nano a few months ago. ATA transfers with one stuck bit |
| 10:30:04 | pixelma | gevaerts: the Nano's (and other colour Ipods') display is quite readable without backlight |
| 10:30:10 | pondlife | Wooh, sounds hardware-y |
| 10:30:14 | GodEater | that was cured with a "pull out the battery" and refit it |
| 10:30:14 | gevaerts | ah, ok |
| 10:30:25 | GodEater | i.e. still not bricked |
| 10:30:27 | timonator | gevaerts: when it does that i can easily read it |
| 10:30:39 | timonator | or does the apple firmware (which is currently running) not turn it off? |
| 10:30:48 | gevaerts | timonator: ok, then I was wrong. No idea where it got stuck then |
| 10:31:11 | * | gevaerts doesn't have a nano |
| 10:36:48 | * | pondlife has a broken(?) Nano - need to work out how to open it to remove the battery |
| 10:37:02 | pondlife | It just whistles when I attempt to charge it, so not sounding good |
| 10:37:14 | timonator | so, when i have the nano plugged in into my linux box it says "please don't disconnect", even if i unmount the device, is is still OK to remove the ipod once all stuff was written to its disk? |
| 10:37:20 | pondlife | The backlight comes on, but no other sign of life |
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| 10:38:47 | GodEater | timonator: you need to "eject" it too |
| 10:39:06 | GodEater | pondlife: ipod battery replacement kits usually come with a couple of tools for opening ipods |
| 10:39:12 | GodEater | I have some lying around here for example |
| 10:39:20 | GodEater | it's still a bloody fiddly job though |
| 10:39:29 | pondlife | I don't think it'll be fixable, so don't plan to spend cash on it. |
| 10:39:33 | timonator | oh, i'll try that, didn't think of it at all, haha |
| 10:39:56 | GodEater | well bring it alone to the next devconpub |
| 10:39:59 | GodEater | and I'll bring the tools |
| 10:40:01 | GodEater | and we can have a go |
| 10:40:06 | pondlife | I suspect it's got a blown capacitor or something... the high-pitched whistle is very loud |
| 10:40:10 | timonator | bring it alone, no cops |
| 10:40:44 | pondlife | Sounds like a good reason to organise another DevConPub though ;) |
| 10:40:54 | GodEater | is there ever a bad reason ? :) |
| 10:41:00 | pondlife | Of course not |
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| 10:46:37 | Nico_P | gevaerts: nice work on r17997 :) |
| 10:47:13 | Nico_P | do you think the hub issue is serious enough to block enabling the USB stack in 3.0? |
| 10:48:38 | timonator | aaw crap. amarok thinks, that it has to turn audio files into mp3 format in order to play them on this ipod and it doesn't seem like i can talk it out of it :( |
| 10:49:24 | petur | drag&drop never tries to do that ;) |
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| 10:50:37 | timonator | you mean just putting the stuff onto the filesystem? |
| 10:50:54 | pondlife | That's the normal way.... |
| 10:51:31 | timonator | so i drop it right into the filesystems root or into whatever folder i wish to have it in? |
| 10:51:37 | pondlife | Yes |
| 10:51:58 | pondlife | Best if you can have a folder structure though |
| 10:52:03 | timonator | i wasn't aware the "database" rockbox uses was distinct from the database the ipod uses |
| 10:52:08 | pondlife | e.g. \artist\album |
| 10:52:12 | pondlife | It's totally different |
| 10:52:14 | timonator | yes, that'd make sense |
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| 10:52:46 | pondlife | If you can do that, you can just browse files, and not use the database. |
| 10:54:20 | timonator | great, amarok does that when i tell it, the ipod is just a "generic music player" |
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| 11:02:57 | gevaerts | Nico_P: I don't know yet. I think we need an option to disable it at least |
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| 11:04:56 | Nico_P | gevaerts: I think it would be good to include it and warn people that it has issues with hubs |
| 11:05:11 | Nico_P | it does work most of the time |
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| 11:08:58 | pondlife | GodEater: Bad news, I've managed to remove the backplate from my Nano, so no need for a DevConPub :/ |
| 11:09:12 | pondlife | No sign of charring in there though |
| 11:09:19 | * | JdGordon slaps pondlife |
| 11:09:25 | JdGordon | you dont need a reason to goto the pub! |
| 11:09:42 | * | pondlife is suitably corrected |
| 11:09:55 | pondlife | I'd go now, but the boss might notice... |
| 11:10:05 | JdGordon | take him with you :p |
| 11:11:32 | gevaerts | Nico_P: I'll try to work on making it an option tonight, and maybe a bit tomorrow. |
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| 11:13:18 | pondlife | gevaerts: Option for what? Use Rockbox or OF for USB? Or highspeed/fullspeed? |
| 11:14:08 | gevaerts | pondlife: rockbox or OF |
| 11:14:20 | pondlife | OK, thanks |
| 11:14:29 | gevaerts | No sense in having too many options. If high speed doesn't work, use the OF |
| 11:15:19 | Nico_P | is high speed as reliable as full speed on all targets? |
| 11:15:37 | gevaerts | It should be |
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| 11:45:19 | safetydan | this git + svn thing takes a while to get your head around |
| 11:46:11 | MU{lappy} | how so? |
| 11:47:08 | safetydan | well not only are you learning to use a dvcs, but you're also trying to interact with the old vcs |
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| 11:47:18 | safetydan | that, and git can be a little cryptic |
| 11:51:11 | MU{lappy} | agreed there, i was Doing It Wrong w/ git for managing custom kernel patchsets for ages :/ |
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| 13:32:56 | Strife89 | I know most of you are probably asleep, but, here |
| 13:33:12 | Strife89 | *here's hoping you get this. :) |
| 13:33:23 | gevaerts | actually not. We're all at work :) |
| 13:33:35 | Strife89 | Ah. :) |
| 13:33:41 | B4gder | at work, sleeping... |
| 13:33:53 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon, markun, amiconn and other jz4732 interested people: here's a link with players running the chipset (which the port is aimed at): http://mp4wiki.com/index.php?title=Category:JZ4732_Chipset_Players |
| 13:34:09 | Strife89 | B4gder:You need it, huh? :) |
| 13:34:51 | Strife89 | Anyway, I used the rockboxdev.sh script to install the necessary components for cross compiling for ARM targets....... |
| 13:35:23 | Strife89 | And then I lost my network connection. |
| 13:35:43 | B4gder | mcuelenaere: I'm not sure you noticed, but I posted about your progress on my blog to get you some further attention |
| 13:35:46 | Strife89 | No amount of reboots would restore it (Wi-Fi G) |
| 13:36:47 | mcuelenaere | B4gder: yes I read the logs, that's why I posted that link targeted at those people |
| 13:36:55 | B4gder | ok |
| 13:36:56 | mcuelenaere | thanks for the post btw |
| 13:38:52 | GodEater | Strife89: are you accusing rockboxdev.sh of deleting your wifi connection ? |
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| 13:40:36 | Strife89 | No |
| 13:41:17 | Strife89 | But I'm wondering if the script's operations may have changed something related to my network connections. |
| 13:42:06 | Strife89 | I haven't reset the router yet. (I'll try it when my brother wakes up; my Linux bot is in our room.) |
| 13:42:09 | B4gder | not likely, no |
| 13:42:13 | Strife89 | *box |
| 13:42:22 | B4gder | it installs stuff in the prefix the script says |
| 13:42:32 | B4gder | which is /usr/local/[arch]-lef/ by default |
| 13:42:37 | B4gder | elf even |
| 13:42:55 | B4gder | possibly it filled your disk or similar |
| 13:43:12 | Strife89 | I've got 3.2 GB free at last count. |
| 13:43:16 | GodEater | or pushed you over the limit your ISP imposes on your downloads |
| 13:43:42 | Strife89 | If that were the case, I couldn't be logged on IRC right now. |
| 13:44:10 | GodEater | the only thing rockboxdev.sh does is download files, and then extract them, and then compile their contents |
| 13:44:12 | timonator | i used rbutil to "Create Voice file", does it also install it on the player? when clicking "Install Voice file" it tries to download one from the website :/ |
| 13:44:19 | GodEater | it does not fiddle with your network settings at all |
| 13:45:01 | Strife89 | The odd thing is that my computer showed that I had a network connection, but Firefox and Pidgin simply could not connect. I couldn't browse any shared folders on our local network, either. |
| 13:45:42 | Strife89 | But the problem exposed itself during the installation, so I can't help but think that it's related. :( |
| 13:46:35 | GodEater | so what network connection are you currently talking to us over then? |
| 13:46:37 | B4gder | Strife89: you can easily check out the script and see for yourself that the timing must've been a coincidence |
| 13:46:38 | * | GodEater is confused |
| 13:47:01 | Strife89 | GodEater: We have three PCs in the house. ;) |
| 13:47:18 | Strife89 | The one I'm on is physically connected to our router. |
| 13:47:51 | Strife89 | B4gder: I rebooted the PC three times to no avail. :( |
| 13:48:04 | GodEater | what has that to do with anything ? |
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| 13:49:17 | Strife89 | If I reboot that many times and still can't get a connection..... |
| 13:49:36 | GodEater | then perhaps it's not your PC which is at fault ? |
| 13:50:14 | Strife89 | I have no way of knowing if any other PC had a connection at the time. |
| 13:50:39 | * | GodEater wonders why so many people remain convinced that "rebooting is the answer" |
| 13:50:39 | B4gder | why would that matter? |
| 13:50:55 | B4gder | Strife89: it could just be the wifi of your router that died |
| 13:51:23 | B4gder | or your wifi card in your PC died |
| 13:51:26 | Strife89 | Time to pull out my laptop, then. |
| 13:51:49 | GodEater | in any case, it's not rockboxdev.sh's fault, and is thoroughly offtopic |
| 13:52:03 | Strife89 | B4gder: The PC indicated that it was connected to the router. |
| 13:52:12 | Strife89 | GodEater: Alright, I'll shut up. |
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| 14:16:18 | timonator | will rockbox find the music files (on my ipod nano) in /iPod_Control/Music/*/ ? |
| 14:16:25 | timonator | it seems like it won't |
| 14:17:15 | GodEater | yes it will |
| 14:17:33 | timonator | hmm. what do i have to do? neither update database nor initialize database cause any changes at all |
| 14:17:42 | B4gder | GodEater: I noticed the dav thing for git over http too, but I think it doesn't matter to people as long as they can use http:// to get stuff |
| 14:17:45 | GodEater | you can either get it to "find" them by setting "View file types" to "All" |
| 14:17:51 | timonator | ah, i have to restart the pod. duh :X |
| 14:18:03 | GodEater | or you can simply intialise the database, and then let it find them on it's own |
| 14:18:22 | GodEater | B4gder: I'd be keen to see that in action |
| 14:18:37 | B4gder | yes, I'll try to get some poking on that soonish |
| 14:18:39 | GodEater | being able to push is still not as issue for me as a non-commiter still |
| 14:18:45 | timonator | oh, it seems like it still has the old entries that i deleted? |
| 14:18:49 | * | timonator investigates |
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| 14:19:23 | timonator | yes, there's entries in the DB that it can't play (as the files don't exist any more) |
| 14:19:26 | timonator | what do i do about those? |
| 14:19:31 | GodEater | timonator: might be an idea to run "disk_tidy" plugin too - it cleans out the contents of the windows recycle-bin which might have been left on your ipod |
| 14:19:46 | GodEater | timonator: an in that case, update the database again |
| 14:20:27 | timonator | "cleaned up 0 items" |
| 14:20:37 | timonator | (set the files to clear to "all" before i started it) |
| 14:21:15 | * | GodEater as a died in the wool rockbox file browser user, has no more advice to offer, as he's never used the database ever. |
| 14:21:28 | timonator | hmm |
| 14:22:03 | * | B4gder sits down to tell stories from the old days when there was no database... |
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| 14:22:40 | advcomp2019 | timonator, what kind of files are you using |
| 14:22:55 | timonator | ogg and mp3 |
| 14:23:31 | * | GodEater wonders what .ogg files are doing in the iPod_Control/Music folders in the first place |
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| 14:23:46 | timonator | i uploaded them with amarok |
| 14:24:11 | * | timonator starts from scratch |
| 14:26:18 | Strife89 | In other news, I recently began to take advantage of the SPC "codec". :D |
| 14:26:53 | mcuelenaere | does anyone know what could trigger this behaviour? http://imagebin.ca/view/B85IfgW.html |
| 14:26:59 | mcuelenaere | the code is here: http://pastebin.com/d607f165d |
| 14:28:43 | Strife89 | Looks like an Atari gone bad. :( |
| 14:28:45 | Strife89 | ;) |
| 14:30:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | Gah! My eyes are bleeding at that image! |
| 14:30:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | mcuelenaere: What is that, anyway? |
| 14:30:26 | mcuelenaere | onda vx747: trying to figure out what's wrong with the lcd driver |
| 14:31:27 | mcuelenaere | this one is perhaps more clear: http://imagebin.ca/view/osiMeS7Q.html |
| 14:32:01 | B4gder | mcuelenaere: so what have you attempted to put on the screen? |
| 14:32:20 | mcuelenaere | editing the framebuffer directly works, but doing it through lcd-16bit.c doesn't |
| 14:32:30 | bertrik | the problem is the rectangular black area , right? |
| 14:32:36 | mcuelenaere | I've once got some text on it |
| 14:32:39 | B4gder | isn't that a sign of wrong RGB bits? |
| 14:32:42 | mcuelenaere | yes, indeed the rectangle isn't like a rectangle |
| 14:32:51 | mcuelenaere | I tried RGB565 and RGB565SWAPPE |
| 14:32:55 | mcuelenaere | SWAPPED* |
| 14:33:13 | mcuelenaere | the latter comes closest to the intented behaviour |
| 14:33:17 | B4gder | I think you should start with filling parts of the framebuffer with known values |
| 14:33:23 | B4gder | to figure out exactly how the bits work |
| 14:33:30 | mcuelenaere | hmm k |
| 14:33:51 | B4gder | it could just as well be 555 or other variations as well |
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| 14:35:10 | B4gder | are you sure it is 16bit? |
| 14:35:36 | B4gder | as opposed to 24 or 32 I mean |
| 14:36:06 | mcuelenaere | hmm the lcd data bus is initialised as 16bit |
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| 14:37:00 | mcuelenaere | SLCD_CFG_DWIDTH_16 & SLCD_CFG_CWIDTH_16BIT are set |
| 14:37:13 | B4gder | that sounds like 16bit then |
| 14:37:13 | mcuelenaere | I think datawidth = 16 & c?width = 16bit |
| 14:38:10 | mcuelenaere | but the problem is, now that I've changed l.76 to lcd_framebuffer[i][j] = LCD_RGBPACK(0,255,0); it does nothing |
| 14:38:32 | mcuelenaere | so it seems to me there's still some underlying problem with the compiler or aligning or something like that |
| 14:39:19 | B4gder | ignore the pack macro for a while and set fixed values like 0, 0xff00 and 0xffff etc |
| 14:39:54 | mcuelenaere | even those do nothing |
| 14:39:55 | B4gder | see if you can figure out the bits for red blue green like that |
| 14:39:59 | B4gder | oh |
| 14:40:24 | mcuelenaere | now I'm trying to add an extra line so there's extra code, but I think gcc is optimising the other away |
| 14:40:37 | mcuelenaere | perhaps I should add some dummy data to the binary and see what that gives |
| 14:41:02 | B4gder | you can always objdump the object file to see what gcc made of it |
| 14:41:48 | mcuelenaere | or use IDA on bootloader.elf |
| 14:42:13 | B4gder | yeah, that works too |
| 14:43:08 | mcuelenaere | ah the device doesn't disconnect from USB so it doesn't reach l.67 |
| 14:43:17 | mcuelenaere | meaning the code is stopped somewhere |
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| 14:44:44 | mcuelenaere | I just can't see what's the difference of replacing LCD_RGBPACK(i,k,j) with 0 or 0xff or whatever |
| 14:45:03 | mcuelenaere | it requires less code, so perhaps that's a problem? aligning? |
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| 14:46:35 | B4gder | the rgbpack converts to a fixed value as well so it shouldn't be any less code |
| 14:47:09 | mcuelenaere | not if variables are used |
| 14:47:18 | B4gder | true |
| 14:47:52 | B4gder | but still, I can't see why code size would matter there all of a sudden |
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| 14:48:30 | mcuelenaere | I don't know, it's just a guess; what else could be the cause? |
| 14:48:46 | B4gder | I don't know... |
| 14:50:14 | mcuelenaere | ok, I got some values: when I do a LCD_RGBPACK(0,k,0) with k going from 0 to 0xFF it's first black and then goes to red |
| 14:50:23 | mcuelenaere | this is rgbpack set with RGB565SWAPPED |
| 14:51:30 | mcuelenaere | LCD_RGBPACK(k,0,0) nor LCD_RGBPACK(0,0,k) works |
| 14:52:14 | mcuelenaere | ..PACK(255,k,0): blue -> purple |
| 14:53:59 | B4gder | so the middle one is red then |
| 14:54:07 | B4gder | at least parts of it |
| 14:54:24 | B4gder | and the first is blue |
| 14:56:04 | mcuelenaere | does anything looks strange to this? http://pastebin.com/m2acdf92e |
| 14:57:00 | B4gder | not that I can spot |
| 14:57:22 | mcuelenaere | hmm then I'm going to compare those with the uCosII source |
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| 15:03:25 | B4gder | hm, looking at the bootloader gcc options for my old mips project |
| 15:03:36 | B4gder | it used -G 0 for example |
| 15:03:44 | mcuelenaere | yes I tried that but doesn't work |
| 15:03:48 | mcuelenaere | what does that switch do btw? |
| 15:03:57 | B4gder | Put global and static items less than or equal to num bytes into the |
| 15:03:57 | B4gder | small data or bss section instead of the normal data or bss section. |
| 15:03:57 | B4gder | This allows the data to be accessed using a single instruction. |
| 15:04:09 | B4gder | I wonder if that is the sbss section |
| 15:04:36 | mcuelenaere | could be |
| 15:05:03 | mcuelenaere | uCos also uses -msoft-float, but I suppose that doesn't really matter |
| 15:05:16 | B4gder | nah |
| 15:05:23 | B4gder | only if you use floats |
| 15:05:43 | mcuelenaere | right |
| 15:06:03 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: What k value does the screenshot show? |
| 15:06:59 | mcuelenaere | eh the screenshot is the pastebin'ed code |
| 15:07:08 | mcuelenaere | so it's somewhere between 0 and 0xFFFF :) |
| 15:07:19 | mcuelenaere | currently I can't get it really stable |
| 15:07:36 | mcuelenaere | if I only had the LCD working on DevCon... |
| 15:10:33 | mcuelenaere | this is weird |
| 15:10:49 | k4y | sure it's not 32-bit? |
| 15:10:57 | mcuelenaere | if I add REG8(USB_REG_POWER) &= ~USB_POWER_SOFTCONN; to the exception handler I can get a constant displayed on the screen |
| 15:11:03 | mcuelenaere | ie LCD_RGBPACK(0,255,0) is red |
| 15:11:16 | mcuelenaere | k4y: you mean the lcd? |
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| 15:11:33 | k4y | yeah, i'm just looking at 0,k,0 changing it from black to red |
| 15:11:39 | mcuelenaere | ok 0xFF is blue |
| 15:12:06 | k4y | this is an iPod touch, right? |
| 15:12:15 | B4gder | k4y: nope |
| 15:12:33 | k4y | oh, i thought that's what the device in the image pastebin was |
| 15:12:33 | B4gder | k4y: http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/07/10/rockbox-on-the-onda-vx747/ |
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| 15:12:46 | mcuelenaere | 0 -> black, 0xFF00 yellow |
| 15:12:49 | k4y | ah |
| 15:12:55 | B4gder | oh yellow |
| 15:13:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | k4y: Nice looking device, no? :) |
| 15:13:08 | k4y | LambdaCalculus37: yes, indeed |
| 15:13:13 | mcuelenaere | and 0xFF0000 black? |
| 15:13:23 | mcuelenaere | weird |
| 15:13:34 | mcuelenaere | ah of course it is only a short :) |
| 15:14:17 | mcuelenaere | 0x0FF0 -> green |
| 15:14:27 | mcuelenaere | any ideas on the color format? |
| 15:14:31 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:14:46 | B4gder | but we need to test the borders |
| 15:15:07 | mcuelenaere | the borders? you mean the upper and lower limit of a short? |
| 15:15:07 | B4gder | what color is 0x40 ? |
| 15:15:33 | mcuelenaere | black? |
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| 15:16:03 | * | gevaerts would try individual single bits, possibly alternating with black (to get some contrast) |
| 15:16:05 | B4gder | or just dark green? |
| 15:16:21 | Strife89 | Figured I'd let you guys know: You were right. I reset my router and my connection works fine. |
| 15:16:33 | mcuelenaere | ah yes possibly, very dark indeed |
| 15:16:33 | GodEater | to the surprise of no-one |
| 15:16:56 | mcuelenaere | yep it isn't black, as I can see the garble rectangle :) |
| 15:17:00 | B4gder | mcuelenaere: so it is RGB, with R being the top bits and B the lower ones |
| 15:17:10 | B4gder | and G in the middle |
| 15:17:18 | mcuelenaere | and is this format already in Rockbox? |
| 15:17:26 | B4gder | it's just not clear how the distribution is exactly |
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| 15:18:01 | mcuelenaere | other values I should test? |
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| 15:18:32 | B4gder | hm |
| 15:18:40 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: I would try all individual powers of two |
| 15:18:48 | mcuelenaere | k |
| 15:19:21 | B4gder | yes, we need to figure out if they are 5 or 6 bits for each field |
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| 15:20:20 | B4gder | or rather, we assume it isn't 565 since then it would work with the plain common version |
| 15:20:50 | B4gder | of course depending on endian on everything... |
| 15:21:02 | GodEater | it wouldn't be something peculiar like 484 ? |
| 15:21:19 | * | B4gder recalls trying to code big-endian cpu with little-endian graphics controller |
| 15:22:41 | mcuelenaere | so far: 2^1->dark blue 2^2->darker blue 2^3->even darker blue 2^4->lighter blue 2^5->blue? 2^6->darker blue 2^7->darker blue? |
| 15:23:12 | mcuelenaere | I'm going to skip some, as these all look like they're blue |
| 15:23:20 | mcuelenaere | 2^10 is also blue (although lighter) |
| 15:23:59 | mcuelenaere | 2^12 is rather bright blue |
| 15:24:18 | gevaerts | There must be some non-blue somewhere... |
| 15:24:41 | mcuelenaere | all I get is blue |
| 15:24:52 | mcuelenaere | 2^14 is darker, 2^16 is brighter .. blue? |
| 15:24:59 | B4gder | well, 0ff0 was green |
| 15:25:05 | gevaerts | 2^16 == 2^0 |
| 15:25:56 | * | gevaerts slaps his forehead. Of course it isn't |
| 15:26:15 | gevaerts | 2^16 should be 0 in a 16bit |
| 15:26:42 | * | JdGordon hasnt read the whole log.. but.... you dont need to send 2 16bit numbers do you? and youve only found the first one? |
| 15:26:43 | mcuelenaere | lcd_framebuffer[i][j] = (k/2 == 1 ? 2^16 : 2 ^ 0); gives me the same color |
| 15:26:58 | mcuelenaere | wow the battery is getting rather hot :) |
| 15:27:15 | JdGordon | yep.. i should have stayed silent |
| 15:27:17 | B4gder | yet blue is a cool color! ;-P |
| 15:27:39 | mcuelenaere | 2^k just gives me dark blue -> light blue |
| 15:27:47 | mcuelenaere | ow but after some while it changes to green |
| 15:27:48 | GodEater | mcuelenaere: do you have a working button driver ? |
| 15:27:56 | B4gder | haha |
| 15:28:03 | mcuelenaere | I have some buttons identified, but never tried those on the device itself |
| 15:28:07 | mcuelenaere | the detection I mean |
| 15:28:11 | GodEater | mcuelenaere: okay never mind then ;) |
| 15:28:19 | mcuelenaere | but I guess I could try |
| 15:28:55 | * | GodEater was wondering if you could put the value you're writing to the lcd into a loop, and then hit a button to write the value out somewhere when it reaches a "non blue" colour ;) |
| 15:29:26 | mcuelenaere | hmm buttons don't seem to work at first glance |
| 15:29:43 | GodEater | I guess we can shelve that plan for a bit then |
| 15:30:31 | mcuelenaere | but they worked some time, it's just perhaps they need to be set as input or something like that |
| 15:30:54 | mcuelenaere | but I'd rather have working LCD output first, then I can do nice printf()'s ;) |
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| 15:31:43 | B4gder | mcuelenaere: ok, how about ramping values from 0 to 0x3f and back again |
| 15:31:52 | mcuelenaere | ok I'll try |
| 15:32:25 | B4gder | hopefully that is blue only |
| 15:32:43 | mcuelenaere | it does black->gradually blue->instant black again->gradually blue |
| 15:32:58 | mcuelenaere | for(k=0;k<0x3F;k++) |
| 15:33:05 | B4gder | ok, that makes sense |
| 15:33:11 | B4gder | change 3f to 7f |
| 15:33:12 | mcuelenaere | does it? :p |
| 15:33:24 | B4gder | yes, it ramps up the blue to 3f |
| 15:33:28 | B4gder | and then starts over at 0 |
| 15:33:29 | mcuelenaere | so 0->7F? |
| 15:33:45 | B4gder | yes, |
| 15:34:41 | mcuelenaere | black-blue-black-blue-black-blue-black-blue |
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| 15:35:23 | B4gder | I don't get that |
| 15:35:40 | mcuelenaere | it does the same as 0x3F, only x2 |
| 15:36:09 | B4gder | ok |
| 15:36:46 | B4gder | what about (0 to 3f) << 6 |
| 15:36:49 | k4y | mcuelenaere: is that just for a single component to the RGB() macro? |
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| 15:37:24 | B4gder | that is, all values shifted so that the 6 lower bits aren't used |
| 15:37:35 | mcuelenaere | k4y: those values are not in a RGB() macro |
| 15:37:55 | k4y | mcuelenaere: okay |
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| 15:38:11 | B4gder | well, we're basically trying to figure out how the RGB() macro should be constructed for this |
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| 15:38:39 | mcuelenaere | B4gder: blue :) |
| 15:38:46 | mcuelenaere | it's the same as the previous |
| 15:38:54 | mcuelenaere | ah no srry, no it changes to green |
| 15:38:54 | B4gder | wow |
| 15:39:05 | mcuelenaere | after a while it does light blue -> green |
| 15:39:29 | mcuelenaere | I can film the behaviour if you want to see it |
| 15:39:34 | B4gder | I'd thought 6 bits should be enough to get out of the blue ;-) |
| 15:39:36 | mcuelenaere | it ends in light blue |
| 15:39:37 | * | GodEater would be curious to see this |
| 15:41:21 | B4gder | I'm off for now |
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| 15:41:27 | * | amiconn expects just some unusual bit packing |
| 15:43:17 | mcuelenaere | GodEater: http://www.2shared.com/file/3573582/ca44ee38/Film_2.html |
| 15:43:42 | mcuelenaere | or http://www.mediafire.com/?myddjfi7swh |
| 15:43:43 | * | GodEater fully expects this to be blocked from work again |
| 15:43:48 | mcuelenaere | :) |
| 15:43:56 | GodEater | yep - both blocked :( |
| 15:44:50 | mcuelenaere | mcuelenaere/Film_2.wmv">http://users.telenet.be/mcuelenaere/Film_2.wmv |
| 15:45:40 | k4y | mcuelenaere: what does the code that produced that video look like? |
| 15:46:05 | mcuelenaere | http://pastebin.com/dbfd91e1 |
| 15:46:53 | mcuelenaere | pay attention to the garbled rectangle and non-visible text ;) |
| 15:48:01 | * | GodEater sees greens a mauves in there too |
| 15:48:10 | GodEater | s/a/and |
| 15:48:35 | k4y | out of interest, is that spew above the rectangle caused by putsxy? |
| 15:48:38 | mcuelenaere | the colors are a bit off though |
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| 15:48:47 | mcuelenaere | hmm I don't think so |
| 15:48:50 | mcuelenaere | lemme check |
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| 15:49:26 | mcuelenaere | ah yes, a large bit of it is :) |
| 15:49:48 | mcuelenaere | now there are just 3 lines off |
| 15:51:06 | mcuelenaere | lcd_fillrect(k+50, 0, 100, 240); is rather interesting: the rectangle moves, but gets smaller till the end of the screen |
| 15:51:33 | k4y | does it move in the correct direction? |
| 15:51:59 | k4y | or, the expected direction, rather |
| 15:52:03 | mcuelenaere | I suppose so, it moves towards the buttons |
| 15:52:16 | mcuelenaere | currently I don't really have an expected direction :) |
| 15:52:27 | k4y | i'm not sure where the buttons are :P |
| 15:52:41 | mcuelenaere | but I think there's still some problems with the transfer of framebuffer->LCD RAM |
| 15:53:00 | mcuelenaere | perhaps the Rockbox native framebuffer needs to be converted to some other format the LCD supports |
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| 15:54:15 | k4y | what is LCD_WIDTH? 400? |
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| 15:54:54 | mcuelenaere | jep and LCD_HEIGHT = 240 |
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| 15:57:09 | k4y | lcd_framebuffer is accessed as y,x? |
| 15:57:22 | mcuelenaere | jep, AFAICS that's the correct way? |
| 15:57:33 | k4y | i wouldn't know, i'm just asking |
| 15:57:41 | mcuelenaere | me neither |
| 15:59:39 | advcomp2019 | i just updated the rockbox build and i am trying to fix the theme that i normally use and i am still getting issues getting it to work |
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| 16:03:25 | advcomp2019 | here is the code of the theme i am having issues with: http://pastebin.com/m741afd71 |
| 16:05:13 | PaulJam | correct the %pb tag |
| 16:05:55 | mcuelenaere | a short is 16bit right? |
| 16:06:34 | k4y | depends on the platform, but generally yes |
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| 16:07:57 | k4y | mcuelenaere: if you constantly set the framebuffer to 0xc007 what colour do you get? |
| 16:08:43 | mcuelenaere | some kind of red |
| 16:08:52 | mcuelenaere | it could be pure red |
| 16:08:59 | * | amiconn would probably test single bits first (full screen) |
| 16:09:03 | advcomp2019 | PaulJam, what does it need to be because i tried different way and not luck.. unless i am not reading it right |
| 16:09:41 | PaulJam | advcomp2019: see the CustomWPS wiki page. |
| 16:10:08 | advcomp2019 | yea i am reading it.. so i need - in it? |
| 16:10:59 | * | mcuelenaere wonders why the OF only transports 320*240 shorts to the LCD when it's set its width clearly to 400.. |
| 16:12:49 | PaulJam | advcomp2019: either none or all 5 parameters must be present. you can use the "-" when the default value should be used for the parameter. |
| 16:13:16 | k4y | amiconn: he tried that earlier, i thought |
| 16:14:48 | k4y | (at least that's what i understood the whole 2^n story was about) |
| 16:15:19 | mcuelenaere | yes, I tried 2^n with n ranging from 0 to about 16 |
| 16:15:21 | mcuelenaere | all blue |
| 16:15:23 | amiconn | Not according to the pasted code snippets. Btw, http://pastebin.com/dbfd91e1 cannot work as intended |
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| 16:15:49 | amiconn | It would need k += (1<<6) to work properly |
| 16:16:09 | mcuelenaere | ah yes you're right |
| 16:16:38 | amiconn | But I'd do for (k=1; k < (1<<16); k <<= 1) for the full screen |
| 16:16:43 | mcuelenaere | but first I need to figure out how to correctly transfer the framebuffer to the LCD |
| 16:20:55 | k4y | the Sansa Fuze is PortalPlayer based, right? |
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| 16:24:26 | advcomp2019 | PaulJam, thanks i am finally getting it then |
| 16:24:36 | advcomp2019 | k4y, nope |
| 16:25:56 | k4y | oh, an evolution of PP then? |
| 16:26:14 | k4y | i'm just going by the information on the Sansa View page (i imagine the Fuze is probably fairly similar) |
| 16:27:07 | advcomp2019 | the fuze is AMS like the clip, e200v2, and c200v2 |
| 16:27:39 | k4y | excuse my ignorance but what does "AMS" mean? |
| 16:28:24 | advcomp2019 | here is a link: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html |
| 16:29:04 | k4y | oh the View and the Fuze aren't very similar at all then, whoops |
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| 16:33:37 | k4y | advcomp2019: cool, thanks for the link |
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| 18:24:10 | Buschel | betrik: (for the logs) I did the second becnh-run with your patch. the result is near to the expected result −− so, it seems like there are no additional spin-ups. but: to me it seems like some minuted are missing at the very end... normally my benchs do not end at 3-4% (or 3.5V). |
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| 19:04:52 | domonoky | would it be possible to offer svn acces via http or via another port ? my student can not use our svn because some ports are blocked we think... |
| 19:07:05 | mcuelenaere | domonoky: there's git access, but I think you can't commit through that |
| 19:08:01 | amiconn | LambdaCalculus37: You have an ipod photo, correct? |
| 19:08:19 | domonoky | hm, but he would need commit access, when commit his wps editor... (after cleanup) |
| 19:09:10 | markun | I really would like to be able to commit to the git mirror |
| 19:09:29 | markun | but it could lead to syncing problems maybe |
| 19:09:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Yes. |
| 19:09:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | IIRC it was purchased when it was still marketed as "iPod Photo". |
| 19:09:55 | amiconn | What's the apple model number? Is this printed somewhere on the back? |
| 19:10:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's on the bottom, under the "Designed by..." line. |
| 19:10:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | On mine, the model number is A1099. |
| 19:10:41 | amiconn | Thing is, it might be possible to reliably distinguish a photo and a color by model number, or even by disk size |
| 19:10:53 | amiconn | hmm |
| 19:11:10 | amiconn | The numbers I'm referring to are starting with 'M' |
| 19:11:36 | amiconn | But my mini also has an 'A' number printed on the back ... so I wonder what those 'M' numbers are |
| 19:12:33 | amiconn | Regarding disk sizes, http://www.ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html says that the photo came as 30, 40 and 60GB, while the color came as 20 or 60GB |
| 19:12:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hmmm... I've never seen an 'M' model before. |
| 19:12:56 | amiconn | So if it's 30 or 40GB it must be a photo, and if it's a 20GB it must be a color. 60GB can be either |
| 19:14:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Then mine is indeed an iPod color. |
| 19:15:12 | amiconn | oh? |
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| 19:15:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Wait... scratch that... |
| 19:18:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | This is really strange... I can't find this model number identified anywhere! |
| 19:19:26 | amiconn | Check diag mode, DIAG VER? |
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| 19:19:55 | amiconn | My mini G2 does have the number there (M9800) |
| 19:20:05 | Keripo | Please excuse my intrusion, but is there anyone around with a Sansa with SansaLinux installed? |
| 19:20:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: MA079 |
| 19:20:41 | scorche|sh | Keripo: hit, and that isnt us.. |
| 19:20:45 | scorche|sh | s/hit/hi |
| 19:21:08 | amiconn | LambdaCalculus37: Hmm, so that's a color, and iirc the HW revision was 0x60004 ? |
| 19:21:23 | domonoky | can someone with a ppc mac please try this: jdgordon.info:8080/~domonoky/rbutilqt-fix.dmg">http://jdgordon.info:8080/~domonoky/rbutilqt-fix.dmg ? |
| 19:22:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Yes, that's correct. |
| 19:22:13 | amiconn | But still a type 0 lcd... that backs the theory that all ipod photos must be type 0 |
| 19:22:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | domonoky: Saving it now. |
| 19:23:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: I'm thinking that Apple may have initially built the 20GB models with type 0 LCDs, then started using type 1 later. |
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| 19:27:05 | bluebrother | domonoky: any news from your student? I managed to get the code compile on linux yesterday. It immediately crashes when trying to start it though ... |
| 19:29:27 | domonoky | bluebrother: i just talked with him.. and told him to clean up the code, showed him the patches, etc :-) |
| 19:29:53 | bluebrother | I've planned to post an updated patch to FS# |
| 19:30:06 | domonoky | but we have a little problem with commiting his code into our svn. He has problems accessing our svn, probably because of blocked ports... |
| 19:30:13 | bluebrother | ... FS #9179 that makes it build on linux |
| 19:30:29 | bluebrother | well, then we should find out what exactly his problems with our svn is |
| 19:30:47 | bluebrother | until he's fixing the code ;-) |
| 19:31:31 | * | gevaerts is a bit disappointed that this svn issue only crops up now |
| 19:31:48 | bluebrother | also, I'd like to have it somewhat restructured: move proxy/ to libcheckwps/ and gui/ to wpseditor/ |
| 19:32:10 | * | bluebrother is disappointed there was no feedback earlier |
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| 19:32:24 | domonoky | yes, some renaming is also needed in his cleanup... |
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| 19:32:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | domonoky: I'm going to try out rbutilqt in a little while. I'll let you know what happens. |
| 19:32:54 | bluebrother | for example, stuff like using correct captialization in includes is really important if code is supposed to be cross-platform. |
| 19:33:03 | domonoky | LambdaCalculus37: thanks.. :-) |
| 19:33:24 | bluebrother | how should students learn about it if nobody tells them? And how should one tell them if there is no feedback? |
| 19:33:45 | bluebrother | and such thing is something students should definitely learn ... the earlier the better. |
| 19:36:50 | domonoky | i am trying. but it seems difficult. None of our Students made progress report, like we wanted :-/ |
| 19:37:12 | scorche|sh | well, perhaps that is the issue here |
| 19:37:24 | scorche|sh | we need to stop wanting them to, and start requiring them to |
| 19:40:08 | domonoky | we have 4 days to either fail, or approve them for midterm evaluation.. :-) |
| 19:41:54 | bluebrother | domonoky: your student is working on mingw, right? |
| 19:42:00 | bluebrother | scorche|sh: I definitely agree. |
| 19:42:05 | domonoky | correct.. |
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| 19:44:31 | bluebrother | we are in the position to require them doing it. It's like at work where my boss / the customer requires me to do things ... even if I don't like it |
| 19:44:59 | * | bluebrother goes preparing a patch to at least allow building on linux |
| 19:45:31 | domonoky | but i think we need a official requirement, like a statement on the gsoc wikipage.. with enough details what they should do. |
| 19:46:30 | bluebrother | well, we agreed they should report progress, so I don't think it's much of a difference requiring them to report here or on the ml. |
| 19:46:39 | bluebrother | but writing it down on the wiki page would be good. |
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| 19:49:23 | scorche|sh | domonoky: you are his mentor...is that not official enough? |
| 19:50:06 | domonoky | scorche no i think it needs to be written down somewhere.. |
| 19:51:10 | bluebrother | are there rules specific for that? I.e. by google? You have the power to pass or fail him ... ;-) |
| 19:51:50 | bluebrother | domonoky: please check FS #9179 |
| 19:51:55 | domonoky | sure, i could just fail him.. but thats not nice.. :-) |
| 19:52:50 | bluebrother | sure. But a mentor has this way to force the student showing up ;-) |
| 19:54:18 | scorche|sh | domonoky: i wouldnt recommend failing him yet, but it does not need to be written down anywhere....you are his mentor and are the absolute authority |
| 19:55:57 | bluebrother | besides, it's not asked much to make progress transparent. The student needs to report it anyway. We make the rules ;-) |
| 19:56:14 | bluebrother | and our rules are rather nice to students imo, so it's not asking too much. |
| 19:56:25 | scorche|sh | indeed...look at ffmpeg.. |
| 19:56:33 | pixelma | a student could also get better help or learn more if they talked about it |
| 19:56:46 | bluebrother | isn't this way of communication something we *want* them to learn during SoC? |
| 19:56:53 | scorche|sh | yes |
| 19:57:04 | scorche|sh | it is all part of "the experience" |
| 19:57:20 | bluebrother | so we should definitely enforce it. I just need to thing about those guy who wanted to do the TTS plugin last year |
| 19:57:58 | bluebrother | he showed up like once or twice. And failed. If he'd shown up regularly I think he had a much better chance of passing |
| 19:58:17 | scorche|sh | well, he simply had too much on his plate |
| 19:58:34 | gevaerts | I'd say write down some rules _now_, and be strict for the second half |
| 19:58:42 | midgey | Personally, I have no problems providing progress reports. I've been a bit quiet and I only send my interim work to Bagder and sdoyon. I post milestones to the tracker |
| 19:59:14 | bluebrother | possible. But IIRC that guy also had issues setting up the toolchain, and people in this channel are usually rather helpful ;-) |
| 19:59:29 | domonoky | could we please write down this rules, and enforce it to all Students.. :-) then i will try my part. |
| 19:59:31 | scorche|sh | well, we have already lost one student...it will look very good on us to lose another |
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| 19:59:46 | bluebrother | scorche|sh: which one did we lose? |
| 19:59:50 | gevaerts | bluebrother: Indeed. And now we hear about this svn issue... Not good |
| 19:59:55 | scorche|sh | s/will/wont |
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| 20:00:00 | scorche|sh | bluebrother: arm emulator |
| 20:00:13 | domonoky | this svn issue isnt new... just nobody cared... |
| 20:00:21 | scorche|sh | i didnt know |
| 20:00:35 | * | gevaerts doesn't remember hearing about this earlier |
| 20:00:38 | bluebrother | domonoky: put it the other way round: most people didn't know about it (including me) |
| 20:01:02 | domonoky | but i would like to solve the issue ? is it so hard o allow access to our svn via the http protokoll ? |
| 20:01:17 | scorche|sh | well, that is something to bug the swedes about |
| 20:01:46 | bluebrother | I'm still wondering what the exact problem with your students access to it is exactly |
| 20:01:50 | scorche|sh | same |
| 20:01:51 | domonoky | or just allow also svn on another port.. should probably be sufficient.. |
| 20:02:05 | scorche|sh | domonoky: what is his isp?...and are you sure it is a blocked port? |
| 20:02:22 | pixelma | he could also have come here and asked about it himself :) |
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| 20:02:39 | bluebrother | and he could have done that right at the start, not yet. |
| 20:02:42 | domonoky | i am not sure if its blocked ports.. his isp i dont know. some isp in Belarus (white russia) |
| 20:02:43 | scorche|sh | if he wishes, i would be glad to allow him some space on my server where he can ssh in, do his work, commit, etc |
| 20:03:25 | domonoky | scorche: doing gui work via ssh isnt nice :-) |
| 20:03:36 | scorche|sh | x-forwarding isnt hard |
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| 20:04:04 | bluebrother | it can be a bit sluggish. But NX is really nice for such things |
| 20:04:14 | gevaerts | Just ssh access somewhere would also allow tunneling svn |
| 20:04:14 | domonoky | if all fails, i will play "proxy" for his patches.. |
| 20:04:19 | bluebrother | besides, using svn via command line isn't hard. |
| 20:04:31 | * | scorche|sh deletes his similar comment to gevaerts's |
| 20:04:48 | bluebrother | ... and something that would be good students know how to do |
| 20:05:32 | pixelma | it would at least be sufficient for the commit part, I use that sometimes too |
| 20:05:51 | * | bluebrother usually uses command line |
| 20:07:51 | domonoky | but if you are via shh on a remote box, you have to transfer your changes to this box first ?.. not really a nice way to work.. |
| 20:08:09 | scorche|sh | not if you tunnel |
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| 20:08:19 | domonoky | but a tunnel to another box could work... :-) |
| 20:08:23 | * | pixelma too for commits but meant especially committing remotely from a box ssh'ed too |
| 20:09:22 | * | domonoky doesnt know much about tunneling .. is it easy to make such things work on windows ? |
| 20:09:54 | scorche|sh | if you are on windows, doesnt tortisesvn allow such proxies? |
| 20:10:04 | gevaerts | domonoky: yes. google for putty, and go right ahead |
| 20:10:47 | * | domonoky nows putty but only uses it for normal shh. lets check the settings :-) |
| 20:11:21 | * | bluebrother thinks learning some basic command line usage would be something we could expect students to do |
| 20:12:02 | bluebrother | domonoky: I tunneled jabber and imaps quite a while at uni. Plus cvs. Worked without any issues. |
| 20:12:15 | bluebrother | (on windows using putty that is ;-) |
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| 20:14:49 | domonoky | so i will recommend this to my student. should solve the svn problem. does someone volunteer for being the proxy (tunnel host) ? :-) |
| 20:15:07 | Tuplanolla | is there an easy way of translating rockbox utility to finnish? |
| 20:16:04 | domonoky | Tuplanolla: yes. take a look at: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityDevelopment#How_to_Translate |
| 20:16:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | domonoky: Good news... your new rbutilqt works on my PPC PowerBook! :) |
| 20:16:43 | Tuplanolla | ah, had that page open earlier but didn't notice, thanks |
| 20:20:19 | domonoky | LambdaCalculus37: jeah, success ! so can someone move this: jdgordon.info:8080/~domonoky/rbutilqt-v1.0.6b.dmg">http://jdgordon.info:8080/~domonoky/rbutilqt-v1.0.6b.dmg to the download server ? Bagder ? |
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| 23:19:45 | gevaerts | How acceptable is it to access settings from firmware/ ? |
| 23:20:29 | bluebrother | I don't think so |
| 23:22:08 | gevaerts | Some people have suggested to make the rockbox usb stack user-optional (instead of compile-time). That means accessing settings... |
| 23:23:56 | Llorean | Does it mean settings? |
| 23:24:03 | Llorean | Er, does it mean settings from firmware? |
| 23:24:40 | gevaerts | Maybe not, but I'm not sure how else it can be done |
| 23:25:00 | Llorean | Well, can we choose whether to charge or go into USB mode via setting without it coming from firmware? |
| 23:25:52 | Llorean | Though, I'm curious why it was suggested it should be runtime choosable? |
| 23:27:20 | gevaerts | Because it works well for some people, and not for others. |
| 23:27:44 | preglow | accessing settings from firmware is very no-noi |
| 23:28:10 | preglow | settings hooks have to go from apps/ to firmware/ |
| 23:29:05 | preglow | gevaerts: does it still fail completely for some people? |
| 23:29:20 | gevaerts | preglow: I think so, yes. |
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| 23:30:21 | preglow | annoying :/ |
| 23:30:24 | gevaerts | Anyway not enabling it by default and not having it runtime selectable is a valid option |
| 23:30:50 | bluebrother | I'm wondering in which cases the stack is failing |
| 23:31:00 | bluebrother | it works absolutely fine on my mini. |
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| 23:31:09 | preglow | works great on my nano too |
| 23:31:13 | gevaerts | Mainly if you have hubs. |
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| 23:32:51 | bluebrother | speaking of hubs: what happened to the reset issues with amiconns hub? Did you figure it out? |
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| 23:33:33 | gevaerts | No. That's basically the remaining issue |
| 23:33:39 | bluebrother | ah :) |
| 23:33:54 | preglow | and what an annoying one |
| 23:34:08 | preglow | gevaerts: have you done much reverse engineering on the original firmware? |
| 23:34:12 | pixelma | gevaerts: is the SD curroption problem no "solved" on the Sansas? |
| 23:34:40 | pixelma | err... corruption too |
| 23:34:42 | gevaerts | preglow: no. I'm slightly hindered there by having to learn assembler at the same time |
| 23:34:55 | Llorean | pixelma: iiuc, there's a preventative measure in place now |
| 23:35:05 | Llorean | It shouldn't happen, but the underlying problem isn't solved, it's just not triggered any more |
| 23:35:07 | gevaerts | pixelma: (careful answer) It's not triggered anymore by the usb stack. |
| 23:35:30 | pixelma | hmm... maybe I should give it a try then too |
| 23:35:54 | gevaerts | So using rockbox usb is just as safe as copying files within rockbox now |
| 23:36:02 | pixelma | do I remember that the c200s can be tricky to restore? |
| 23:36:13 | Llorean | Maybe we should just enable it in current builds after 3.0, to get some widespread testing and see how common the signal quality issue seems to affect people. |
| 23:36:32 | preglow | Llorean: sounds like a good idea |
| 23:36:44 | Llorean | Since 3.0 will be out, people with problems can be recommended back to it, and if there's a much larger than expected number, we can disable it again. |
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| 23:37:18 | bluebrother | if there are no problems with data corruption I don't see a reason not to enable it. |
| 23:38:36 | gevaerts | pixelma: depends. If you have a linux machine around somewhere it's not that hard. But I don't think the kind of corruption we were seeing are likely to cause "hard" problems |
| 23:39:48 | gevaerts | pixelma: basically I think the OF usb mode works as long as the FAT bootsector is OK, and that isn't touched during normal operation. That means that any problem should be fixable with chkdsk, or at worst format. |
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| 23:41:15 | pixelma | I usually don't but I guess there are ways. As long as I can get some advice here, I don't think that's a big problem even if a restore is necessary. It's not like I have important unique data on it :) |
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| 23:42:12 | DJ_DeViL | hi everyone |
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| 23:42:33 | pixelma | Llorean: should I mark bugs reports I think are important as "due in 3.0" or "due in next release" now? |
| 23:42:45 | DJ_DeViL | can you tell me hows going the ROCKBOX PROJECT for Samsung Yp-P2 JCB |
| 23:42:56 | DJ_DeViL | pLSSS? |
| 23:43:27 | bluebrother | SSS? |
| 23:43:33 | Llorean | pixelma: 3.0 for the moment, just because we've already been using it. |
| 23:44:07 | DJ_DeViL | well do you have working rockbox for YP-p2 |
| 23:44:07 | bluebrother | DJ_DeViL: check the new ports forums. If there is no progress then there is no progess. AFAIK no one is working on it. |
| 23:44:08 | DJ_DeViL | ? |
| 23:44:20 | DJ_DeViL | :( |
| 23:44:21 | scorche|sh | DJ_DeViL: all working ports are listed on the front page |
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| 23:44:40 | DJ_DeViL | what a shame :( |
| 23:44:48 | XMX | Hey guys. |
| 23:44:56 | DJ_DeViL | thanks anyway i really need FLAC on it |
| 23:45:02 | scorche|sh | DJ_DeViL: you are more than welcome to work on it yourself |
| 23:45:06 | mcuelenaere | AFAIK all files in SVN are UTF-8, then shouldn't http://svn.rockbox.org/ serve it's content as UTF-8? |
| 23:45:25 | XMX | I have a question. |
| 23:45:26 | Bagder | it should indeed |
| 23:45:29 | DJ_DeViL | scorche|sh : im just web developer |
| 23:45:30 | mcuelenaere | I mean set the Content-encoding |
| 23:45:36 | scorche|sh | DJ_DeViL: you can learn |
| 23:45:41 | mcuelenaere | as currently it isn't there |
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| 23:45:59 | DJ_DeViL | wouldnt it take at least year ? |
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| 23:46:10 | scorche|sh | that depends |
| 23:46:16 | gevaerts | Llorean: that's probably the most sensible plan |
| 23:46:27 | XMX | Guys, is there a tutorial on how to build the source code and install it to the iPod video? |
| 23:46:38 | bluebrother | COMMITTERS isn't utf-8 AFAICT |
| 23:46:41 | Bagder | XMX: yes, see the wiki |
| 23:46:43 | scorche|sh | XMX: see the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page |
| 23:46:52 | XMX | Nice, thanks =] |
| 23:47:06 | XMX | This project is by far the best open source project. |
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| 23:47:47 | mcuelenaere | bluebrother: I think it is, because when I view it in Firefox and set Encoding explicitly to UTF8 it is displayed right |
| 23:48:00 | gevaerts | It isn't. At least not entirely |
| 23:48:47 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: what part isn't? |
| 23:49:16 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: it seems to be entirely latin1 |
| 23:49:26 | markun | yes, here too |
| 23:49:26 | bluebrother | file tells me it's ISO-8859 |
| 23:49:48 | XMX | I assume this project is based off of the Linux kernel, right? |
| 23:49:52 | gevaerts | XMX: no |
| 23:49:52 | bluebrother | XMX: no |
| 23:49:59 | XMX | Oh. |
| 23:50:07 | XMX | That's a relief. |
| 23:50:16 | XMX | I hate the linux kernel. |
| 23:50:18 | bluebrother | why that? |
| 23:50:32 | bluebrother | well, most devs use linux ... ;-) |
| 23:50:36 | XMX | It confuses me.(Programming wise) |
| 23:50:38 | mcuelenaere | ah sorry I'm viewing CREDITS |
| 23:50:43 | XMX | Yeah, which is why I assumed this one was. |
| 23:50:51 | XMX | lol. |
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| 23:51:05 | bluebrother | even if it was ... as long as you're not doing kernel stuff it won't matter |
| 23:51:24 | * | bluebrother should ROTFL around more to keep up with others |
| 23:51:30 | XMX | Well, I plan to work on it a bit, I started learning C a while back, and got a bit of it down. |
| 23:51:39 | DJ_DeViL | guys |
| 23:51:44 | DJ_DeViL | ROCKBOX ROCX |
| 23:51:50 | XMX | YES! IT ROX |
| 23:51:54 | stripwax | well, at least it's on topic |
| 23:51:59 | DJ_DeViL | i hope i come out for YP-P2 soon :( |
| 23:52:10 | DJ_DeViL | nite |
| 23:52:11 | bluebrother | DJ_DeViL: don't hold your breath ... |
| 23:52:11 | XMX | Hopefully Zune will be supported soon :( |
| 23:52:21 | bluebrother | check zunelinux |
| 23:52:28 | XMX | ?Where at? |
| 23:52:30 | * | gevaerts kicks bluebrother |
| 23:52:33 | stripwax | google |
| 23:52:37 | bluebrother | at least if you want to have some fun :) |
| 23:52:42 | XMX | I googled it, and there were only rumors as to it being released soon. |
| 23:52:53 | scorche|sh | heh... |
| 23:53:00 | * | scorche|sh wonders who starts these rumors |
| 23:53:09 | XMX | Me too. |
| 23:53:16 | gevaerts | They got as far as that? I thought there were just rumors that they were going to get started soon |
| 23:53:18 | XMX | There are so many rumors lol. |
| 23:53:33 | XMX | Yeah, I read about a rumor with Rockbox and Zune. |
| 23:53:36 | Bagder | they just couldn't decide on what distro, so it failed ;-) |
| 23:53:40 | scorche|sh | where? |
| 23:53:52 | * | bluebrother just wanted to ask about that distro issue ;-) |
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| 23:54:07 | scorche|sh | Bagder: damn small linux...it is perfect for ARM! |
| 23:54:08 | XMX | bluebrother: I didn't mean putting linux on Zune, but open source software |
| 23:54:23 | XMX | scorchejsh: One sec, I'll get the link |
| 23:54:32 | XMX | open source firmware* |
| 23:54:44 | pixelma | weren't they also discovering "machine code"? ;) |
| 23:54:47 | gevaerts | XMX: first someone needs to work out how to run any non-official code on it |
| 23:55:00 | XMX | scorchelsh: http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/11/29/rockbox-for-zune-coming-soon/ |
| 23:55:06 | XMX | There is the rumor. |
| 23:55:17 | bluebrother | XMX: well, if zunelinux had acutal code running porting rockbox would be much easier. |
| 23:55:25 | scorche|sh | heh.. November 29th, 2006 |
| 23:55:28 | XMX | yeah, I know. =/ |
| 23:55:37 | XMX | It will be done soon, I hope. |
| 23:56:08 | scorche|sh | no one is currently working on it, so dont hold your breath |
| 23:56:09 | * | Bagder won't bet any money on it |
| 23:56:26 | Llorean | Bagder: Is the "full inbox" removed from the mailing list finally? |
| 23:56:27 | gevaerts | Unfortunately "hope" is one of the many things that doesn't actually help a port |
| 23:56:36 | XMX | Bleh, I kinda figured that, scorch|sh, else it would be posted somewhere on the site. |
| 23:56:37 | * | preglow wouldn't even bet a fistful of dirt on it |
| 23:56:43 | Bagder | Llorean: not by me at least |
| 23:56:51 | * | scorche|sh introduces XMX to tab-complete |
| 23:57:01 | XMX | tab-complete? |
| 23:57:07 | Llorean | Bagder: Usually I get bouncebacks by now. Maybe it's not full any more. |
| 23:57:11 | bluebrother | scorche|sh: slow down ... ;-) |
| 23:57:18 | bluebrother | (with XMX) |
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| 23:57:32 | XMX | What is tab-complete, midn filling me in? |
| 23:57:34 | * | bluebrother wishes ipl.org would be up again so he didn't need to use archive.org |
| 23:57:57 | scorche|sh | bluebrother: on which date is it proper to introduce him to tab-complete...the 3rd date? |
| 23:58:06 | stripwax | ha! |
| 23:58:17 | bluebrother | heh. |
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| 23:58:20 | bluebrother | XMX: http://www.google.de/search?q=tab+complete |
| 23:58:27 | scorche|sh | bluebrother: use google cache...no more archine.org! |
| 23:58:41 | scorche|sh | archive.org either |
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