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| 00:01:48 | simoo | Hi, the 'Glass N Shadows' theme looks great but is the download corrupt? |
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| 00:03:16 | amiconn | gevaerts, bluebrother: The rockbox usb stack is rather flakey on PP. I have it enabled on all my pp502x targets, but often go into the target's diskmode rather than using it |
| 00:04:00 | XMX | How many developers are on teh rockbox team? |
| 00:04:03 | XMX | the* |
| 00:04:10 | stripwax | we still don't charge at 500ma while connected via usb in rockbox, is that right? |
| 00:04:13 | amiconn | Problems are that it's unusable with my hub, and with the front ports of my linux box, but even without the hub there seem to be bus resets every few seconds, stalling transfers for several seconds |
| 00:04:44 | PaulJam | simoo: the theme is probably broken unless it was updated within the last two weeks or so. |
| 00:04:46 | amiconn | I didn't experience data corruption from it so far though |
| 00:05:05 | amiconn | stripwax: That's a different problem |
| 00:05:06 | Bagder | XMX: ~80 committers, but perhaps ~400 who have contributed |
| 00:05:11 | stripwax | on my WinXP laptop, it takes forever for windows to recognise it, unlike OF (which may be bus resets, if I knew how to determine them) |
| 00:05:18 | XMX | Nice, Badger. |
| 00:05:46 | stripwax | amiconn - but is it right? if so it might be another reason to not enable it regular builds yet |
| 00:06:08 | stripwax | my laptop's side usb ports are probably equivalent to a crappy hub |
| 00:06:31 | bluebrother | I'd like to see some boot-into-discmode functionality in the bootloaders. Had that with some patch on my mini for quite a while |
| 00:06:34 | amiconn | stripwax: It's *unrelated*, meaning we don't charge at 500mA during usb on several targets, software or hardware usb |
| 00:06:40 | simoo | PaulJam: thanks, is that because of changes to Rockbox? |
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| 00:07:16 | amiconn | That applies to usb power mode as well (possible on sw usb targets without rockbox usb msd) |
| 00:07:26 | PaulJam | simoo: yes, the wps syntax was changed. see here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17507.0 |
| 00:07:49 | simoo | PaulJam: Cheers :) |
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| 00:10:00 | gevaerts | Charging and USB are only related in the sense that if a device charges over usb, users are probably used to charge and copy files at the same time |
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| 00:10:13 | stripwax | gevaerts - was just typing the same |
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| 00:10:54 | stripwax | I didn't realise that hardware usb devices didn't charge at 500ma either, my bad |
| 00:11:13 | gevaerts | That is an issue to be taken into account when we decide on release features/targets, but it doesn't really matter when trying to fix things |
| 00:11:25 | stripwax | of course |
| 00:12:04 | amiconn | stripwax: Those with purely hardware controlled charging do (if set to do so; H300), but those which need extra measures (X5, M5) only charge at ~100mA from usb by hardware default |
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| 00:13:17 | XMX | Hmmm, I am installing CYGWIN, but when I get to the 'choose download sites' the list is empty, this has never happened before, what url should I use to get GCC compiler and the other requirements? |
| 00:13:18 | amiconn | The problem on X5+M5 is that the PCF isn't optimal for charging from usb, because it only knows slow charging (programmable limit) and full-power charging (no limit) |
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| 00:16:51 | amiconn | The latter cannot be used when charging from usb, and slow-charging is *slow* by default. The slow-charging rate can be raised, this must be monitored |
| 00:17:04 | amiconn | ^insert "but" |
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| 00:22:14 | stripwax | XMX - the download locations list should not be empty - sounds like a problem with the cygwin installer. When you say 'never happened before' - you already have it installed? |
| 00:22:25 | stripwax | for rockbox downloads you need http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin |
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| 00:23:11 | stripwax | for everything else in prerequisites you need to find an appropriate cygwin mirror - if there's nothing in the download locations list see if there's any help or lists available on www.cygwin.com |
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| 00:23:44 | stripwax | in fact http://cygwin.com/mirrors.html |
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| 00:27:48 | stripwax | amiconn - is rockbox better or worse than OF for charging over usb in those cases? I guess by "at 500ma" earlier I really meant "at least as well as OF" |
| 00:27:55 | amiconn | The 'no limit' statement isn't entirely correct. The PCF does current limiting during fast charge, but the limit isn't programmable, it's defined by an external resistor, and it's set to >1 A |
| 00:28:33 | amiconn | stripwax: The OF is better, since it fiddles with the slow charging rate, and does the necessary monitoring |
| 00:29:27 | stripwax | I wonder if you could cycle very quickly between fast and slow so that the current draw is ~500ma... |
| 00:29:36 | stripwax | peak obviously |
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| 00:30:01 | amiconn | No you can't |
| 00:30:21 | stripwax | fair enough! |
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| 00:36:21 | preglow | dap makers should start giving us source code! |
| 00:37:04 | stripwax | soon we'll be giving them source code :) |
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| 01:07:37 | DerPapst | lo guys :) |
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| 01:11:52 | DerPapst | jewels can't be quit on ipods with the clickwheel. can someone add "#define JEWELS_CANCEL (BUTTON_MENU|BUTTON_SELECT)" to line 75? |
| 01:12:04 | DerPapst | i'm too lazy to make a patch |
| 01:12:07 | DerPapst | :) |
| 01:12:50 | Llorean | You can't get into the menu with long-select? |
| 01:13:22 | DerPapst | oh... didn't try.. ;) |
| 01:13:45 | DerPapst | ah well :P |
| 01:13:50 | Llorean | I was gonna say, I have no problem quitting it on my Nano. |
| 01:14:36 | pixelma | well, other targets have an additional quit button though |
| 01:14:40 | DerPapst | though it's not consistent with other plugins ;) |
| 01:14:45 | XMX | Dissassembling a iPod and adding a custom case to it with this firmware isn't illegal is it? |
| 01:14:52 | DerPapst | probably the reason why i'm confused :P |
| 01:15:06 | Llorean | pixelma: Ah, I've always quit through the menus so I could resume. |
| 01:15:11 | DerPapst | XMX: why should it? |
| 01:15:14 | Llorean | I wasn't even aware there was a different way to leave it. |
| 01:15:15 | DerPapst | it's your ipod |
| 01:15:23 | DerPapst | you dan do with it whatever you want |
| 01:15:44 | XMX | DerPapst: I don't think it is illegal, but, I just want to make sure, Can't risk getting in trouble over a iPod lol. |
| 01:15:48 | XMX | Ok, kool. |
| 01:15:51 | XMX | =] |
| 01:15:52 | DerPapst | Llorean: normally you quit most plugins with a short press of menu + select |
| 01:16:02 | XMX | I suppose selling it wouldn't be illegal either? |
| 01:16:13 | XMX | At least not as fas as apple goes.... |
| 01:16:17 | XMX | far* |
| 01:16:27 | DerPapst | XMX: it's yours. you can do with it whatever you want |
| 01:16:32 | gevaerts | XMX: we are not lawyers... |
| 01:16:33 | XMX | =] |
| 01:16:40 | markun | XMX: btw, here are some nice stats about rockbox http://www.ohloh.net/projects/rockbox/ |
| 01:16:41 | DerPapst | sell it, smash it... whatever |
| 01:16:48 | XMX | Kk, sorry, was making sure lolzzz. |
| 01:16:55 | Llorean | Depends on local laws, though. If it's an iPod, if you do something that could try to claim it's not when you sell it might be problematical. |
| 01:17:47 | XMX | Yeah, thanks, Llorean. =] |
| 01:18:06 | DerPapst | Llorean: do you think it would be... "smart" to make jewels consistant with the other plugins? |
| 01:18:17 | pixelma | DerPapst: if I read correctly, it's not as simply adding that line - because simple "menu" and simple "select" is already used for something else you'd need a pre-condition, right? Maybe the reason why noone bothered doing that there yet |
| 01:18:40 | pixelma | s/simply/simple as |
| 01:18:40 | DerPapst | pixelma: yet. :P |
| 01:18:50 | PaulJam | Llorean: i read your mail about the release and you were also asking about rbutil issues. This is certainly not a bug, but i would guess that most of the themes you can install with it are currently broken. so i was wondering if this feature should be disabled in the release version if the new page isn't up before 3.0. |
| 01:19:34 | Llorean | PaulJam: We've got a plan regarding themes already, I think |
| 01:19:44 | Llorean | The idea being to create a read-only theme site for 3.0 themes. |
| 01:19:46 | pixelma | DerPapst: provide the full patch then ;P |
| 01:20:13 | DerPapst | i'd do it but only if i'm not the only one who uses it then ;) |
| 01:20:16 | PaulJam | ok, i din't know that. |
| 01:20:18 | Llorean | DerPapst: I'd rather remove quick-quit entirely so it's less likely people lose their games due to a button bump. |
| 01:20:24 | Llorean | :-P |
| 01:20:45 | DerPapst | Llorean: the sub-menu provides a resume option ;) |
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| 01:21:03 | Llorean | DerPapst: Does quick-quit save your status? |
| 01:21:38 | DerPapst | no. my suggestion was to replace long select with menu + select :) |
| 01:21:44 | pixelma | Llorean: but you can quit sudoku to through the menu and through a button, if you do the latter the game will be still saved automatically... ;) |
| 01:21:58 | pixelma | *too |
| 01:22:15 | * | amiconn likes to be able to quick-quit plugins, and hates those which force you to go through a menu |
| 01:22:32 | Llorean | pixelma: Well as long as the game is saved automatically, I don't mind. But I've never been a fan of one-press-exits for any sort of "game" anyway. Just me, I guess. |
| 01:22:37 | amiconn | jpeg is *the* example how things can become worse... |
| 01:23:18 | XMX | I am horrible with linux! I get this error when configuring my script:' You're running this script in a path that contains space'. Any clue what that is? |
| 01:23:25 | Llorean | I don't mind quick-quit except for games, since you're usually pressing multiple buttons over a period, and it may be easy to accidentally trigger it and either lose progress, or have to wait for a spinup to get back in. |
| 01:24:02 | * | DerPapst agrees with Llorean. |
| 01:24:30 | pixelma | depends on target, keymap and placement of buttons though, e.g. I don't accidentally press the "off" button on Ondio |
| 01:25:58 | DerPapst | but easily on iPods. i almsot qutted battleship pretty often during my tests |
| 01:26:01 | * | amiconn thinks it's very unlikely to exit on accident if it's either a distinctively placed button (Ondio), an otherwise special "button" (Power switch on X5/M5), or a combo like on iPods |
| 01:27:16 | DerPapst | if the clickwheel is the cross and select does some kind of action it happens pretty often that you press menu+select together. |
| 01:27:33 | amiconn | It's a bit more likely on other targets where exit is on a normal button, but I still prefer having that feature, accepting the (still very low) risk of accidental exit |
| 01:28:18 | Llorean | amiconn: I think a combo is likely enough if they're buttons used in the game. |
| 01:28:33 | Llorean | But distinctly placed buttons (or hard to do accidentally like switches) are much less likely |
| 01:28:41 | DerPapst | For some game plugins that might be true but for others (including jewels) i wouldn't reccoment it though |
| 01:28:44 | amiconn | DerPapst: Well, maybe it depends on how you operate it. Normally (i.e. when combos aren't required) I am using my mini one-handed, and that makes it *impossible* to press combos |
| 01:30:05 | DerPapst | i pretty often use both hands for games that use the wheel as a cross. |
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| 01:31:48 | pixelma | not that jewels is an action game which requires you to press buttons in fast sequence... ;) |
| 01:32:32 | * | amiconn has more problems with the wheel-as-a-cross plugins and button repeat |
| 01:32:43 | DerPapst | true... but some like playing action-jewels ;) |
| 01:32:51 | amiconn | I already managed to shut down the mini by scrolling down in a jpeg... |
| 01:33:05 | amiconn | ...several times |
| 01:33:09 | DerPapst | heh ;) |
| 01:34:23 | * | pixelma is confused now about whether DerPapst wants menu+select as quick-quit in jewels or not (anymore) |
| 01:34:48 | * | amiconn would like to have that in all plugins on ipods |
| 01:34:53 | DerPapst | i actually never wanted it as quick-quit. |
| 01:35:18 | DerPapst | i wanted to replace long select with menu+select |
| 01:35:47 | pixelma | long select? |
| 01:36:51 | stripwax | Seems if I put hold switch on (and then, later, off) in Bubbles [perhaps only when music is playing?], it becomes impossible to exit it. Turning on the ipod 5g hold switch puts Bubbles into 'pause mode', turning off the hold switch does not take it out again. Or at least didn't for me, a few times repeatedly (only solution is soft reboot) |
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| 01:37:25 | pixelma | aww... now I remember. I think jewels has two menus, right? |
| 01:37:53 | DerPapst | pixelma: you have to press long select to open a menu in jewels to exit it or resume the game, playback controls etc |
| 01:37:55 | n9xvt | hello? |
| 01:38:07 | DerPapst | pixelma: correct :) |
| 01:38:25 | advcomp2019 | n9xvt, hello |
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| 01:38:56 | n9xvt | so i guess ima new rockboxer? |
| 01:38:56 | stripwax | n9xvt - hello! |
| 01:39:03 | stripwax | yes, you are |
| 01:39:33 | n9xvt | is there a proper place for qutstions? |
| 01:39:37 | pixelma | DerPapst: now I see, think I made wrong assumption in the beginning |
| 01:39:54 | DerPapst | n9xvt: here or the forums. |
| 01:40:03 | n9xvt | kewl,, |
| 01:40:03 | DerPapst | decission is up to you :) |
| 01:40:15 | n9xvt | i like the live aspect of text chatting,,, |
| 01:40:38 | scorche|sh | just make sure to read the guidelines linked in the topic ;) |
| 01:40:47 | n9xvt | am running a sansa 40,, |
| 01:41:07 | n9xvt | c240 |
| 01:41:46 | stripwax | n9xvt - what is the question(s) ? |
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| 01:43:04 | n9xvt | was reading guidelines,,,srry,,anyway, how often does this get daily builds?and |
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| 01:43:33 | DerPapst | whenever someone makes a commit there is a new version of rockbox |
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| 01:44:08 | pixelma | but daily builds are built once a day, hence the name ;) |
| 01:44:15 | n9xvt | will i have problems if i update the player with sansa's utility,(i had to roll it back) |
| 01:44:29 | DerPapst | are daily builds still available? |
| 01:44:46 | Llorean | DerPapst: Yes, though we tend to refer to them as "archived builds" |
| 01:44:51 | n9xvt | do i need to update my daily build? |
| 01:45:07 | DerPapst | Llorean: heh. thanks for the information ;) |
| 01:45:14 | pixelma | sure (the last 30), though they are nor recommended unless for testing the bug |
| 01:45:21 | pixelma | s/nor/not |
| 01:45:28 | DerPapst | n9xvt: you can update whenever you want |
| 01:45:55 | * | pixelma gives up correcting typos... :\ |
| 01:46:11 | DerPapst | but don't claim it's my fault :P |
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| 01:46:28 | pixelma | they are, you and your typo school :P |
| 01:47:03 | DerPapst | :-D |
| 01:47:25 | pixelma | n9xvt: I assume you had to downgrade the Sansa firmware to get the MSC mode option in the menu? |
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| 01:48:18 | n9xvt | yes,, |
| 01:49:07 | n9xvt | ound out about this software in an ad on craigs list,,, |
| 01:49:15 | pixelma | hmm... can't tell you anything about the Sansa utility as I have never used it with my c250 |
| 01:49:45 | n9xvt | love it! |
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| 01:50:14 | n9xvt | best idea i'v seen in portable music players! |
| 01:50:34 | advcomp2019 | n9xvt, you do not need the Sansa Media Converter or Sansa firmware updater if that is what you are asking |
| 01:51:14 | n9xvt | ok,,yes it was,, i never use the media convert,,,but always update the thing |
| 01:51:47 | n9xvt | so now i need to update the box ware?(rockbox) |
| 01:52:52 | DerPapst | n9xvt: as i already said. you don't have to update rockbox but it's crecommendet to update :) |
| 01:53:20 | n9xvt | k, |
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| 02:11:15 | n9xvt | but yes,,,this software is the best thing scince sliced bread,,, |
| 02:13:04 | n9xvt | if i use the rbu(rockbox utility) will it get/use todays build? (will i loose mi current configurations)? |
| 02:13:32 | DerPapst | no |
| 02:13:34 | stripwax | You will get the current build, and you won't lose configurations |
| 02:13:39 | DerPapst | you won't lose anything |
| 02:13:39 | MarcGuay | n9xvt: It won't overwrite your settings, and it lets you choose what build. |
| 02:13:44 | MarcGuay | x4 |
| 02:14:08 | n9xvt | ok,,i searched the faq but didnt see info? |
| 02:15:07 | stripwax | n9xvt - you might find more info in the Wiki |
| 02:15:20 | n9xvt | (gonna have to print that thing,,, |
| 02:15:50 | n9xvt | thank's for everyones help,, |
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| 03:53:19 | Stimulus | Hello. I would like some help enabling the I2S outputs on the Gigabeat F dock connector. It appears that GPHDAT bit 8 must be written as a 1 and it now a 0. Would this require a patch, or can bits be changed somehow in Rockbox. Thanks. |
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| 04:05:23 | n9xvt | woot,, |
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| 04:05:45 | safetydan | Stimulus: that would require a patch |
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| 04:15:25 | Stimulus | Thanks, safetydan. I will look into creating a patch. The I2S bus outputs would allow connecting to some interesting DAC's such as the Perpetual P-3A and the Twisted Pear Opus and Buffalo. That's why I am interested.. |
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| 04:26:50 | UNHchabo1 | hey guys, think i may have come across a bug, unless it's been fixed since the last time i updated... |
| 04:27:18 | scorche | when reporting bugs, we ask that you test with the current build to be sure of such things |
| 04:27:28 | UNHchabo1 | alright |
| 04:27:31 | UNHchabo1 | i'll try it out |
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| 04:36:07 | UNHchabo1 | alright, the bug's still there in the current build |
| 04:36:12 | UNHchabo1 | here's the deal: |
| 04:36:47 | UNHchabo1 | I have a song by Motörhead on my Sansa, and if i "Create playlist" from the menus, then it can play fine |
| 04:37:42 | UNHchabo1 | but if i make an m3u with VLC, then play the playlist, Rockbox seems to turn the "ö" in the filename into another character |
| 04:38:56 | UNHchabo1 | this is fixed if i change the "ö" in the filename to an "o", then create the playlist |
| 04:40:51 | n9xvt | i never knew u could do this sorta thing on these players! love mi sansa,,,hated its operating system! |
| 04:41:42 | UNHchabo1 | i don't mind it all that much, the main thing for me is that i NEED gapless playback :) |
| 04:41:54 | n9xvt | now it works like the "mini computer" it truly is! |
| 04:42:24 | safetydan | UNHchabo1: I'm guessing it's a charset encoding issue. Can you have VLC create m3u8 playlists? |
| 04:42:46 | UNHchabo1 | does that mean 8-bit character encoding? |
| 04:42:53 | safetydan | no |
| 04:43:00 | n9xvt | i'm not constrained to "playlists" i can play whole directories,,, |
| 04:43:55 | UNHchabo1 | VLC offers to save as M3U or XSPF |
| 04:43:56 | safetydan | UNHchabo1: basically the character encoding that VLC is using to generate the playlist does not match the character encoding that you have Rockbox configured to use |
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| 04:45:44 | UNHchabo1 | i see |
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| 04:46:14 | safetydan | UNHchabo1: if you go to the settings, general settings -> display -> Default Codepage, what do you see selected? |
| 04:47:51 | safetydan | UNHchabo1: this thread might help http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17340.0 |
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| 04:52:16 | UNHchabo | sorry, i got kicked off... i hate wifi |
| 04:52:54 | UNHchabo | so, i tried changing my Default Codepage from Latin1 to UTF, and that didn't seem to fix it |
| 04:56:43 | safetydan | Did you see the link to the forum thread? |
| 04:56:56 | UNHchabo | i didn't, sorry |
| 04:57:03 | safetydan | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17340.0 |
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| 05:03:12 | UNHchabo | well, besides what's in the forums, all i had to do was reboot after changing the Default Codepage |
| 05:03:17 | UNHchabo | thanks, safetydan |
| 05:04:24 | safetydan | UNHchabo: no problem |
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| 05:09:28 | n9xvt | i'm no kinda programmer,,,besides cash is there anything i could do to help the cause? maybe put the link (read advertisement) on my web pages? |
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| 05:13:28 | MarcGuay | n9xvt: http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/01/14/what-can-i-do-for-rockbox-when-not-programming/ |
| 05:14:29 | MarcGuay | What does the Delta column of the build table refer to? |
| 05:15:07 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Change in binary size and RAM usage |
| 05:15:22 | MarcGuay | In total? |
| 05:15:25 | n9xvt | thankies for da link,, |
| 05:15:53 | MarcGuay | I'm speaking of the far right column, which doesn't appear to refer to a specific target. |
| 05:16:00 | Llorean | Average |
| 05:16:20 | MarcGuay | Excellent, thanks. |
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| 05:20:56 | geek | i've got a creative zen xtra i'd like to get rockbox on. I'm a little confused- its not on the main page, but on the wiki-i'd like to know if the port is usable, and if i can get the new firmware on with a USB cable (or do i need to get a jtag input/serial cable) to do it? |
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| 05:23:41 | Llorean | geek: If it's not on the front page then it means that it's still in early enough development that the only real resource for it is the wiki page and the specific people who are doing the work (if any) |
| 05:24:11 | Llorean | For the Zen Xtra, I don't think there's anything usable at all yet. |
| 05:24:15 | geek | ahh |
| 05:25:07 | geek | dan |
| 05:25:09 | geek | *dang |
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| 05:36:21 | n9xvt | is there any data on the jack on the sansa players {pin outs}(home modded interface cable) |
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| 05:40:41 | advcomp2019 | n9xvt, there is info on the dock port on anythingbutipod.com but i do not know how helpful it would be |
| 05:41:43 | Llorean | It's probably in the wiki somewhere too |
| 05:47:41 | advcomp2019 | n9xvt, Llorean is right there is.. it was easier then i thought to find |
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| 06:00:33 | n9xvt | so much reading,,,arrrrrgh lol |
| 06:02:09 | geek | lol |
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| 07:15:22 | Guest46193 | alrighty guys. I just got me a C240, and i'm stuck in MTP mode. |
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| 07:15:30 | break- | there. |
| 07:16:26 | break- | could anybody possibly help with getting this thing into MSC. I checked the user manual, and it tells me theres a USB mode setting on this thing, but there isn't. |
| 07:17:34 | safetydan | break-: what version of the firmware is installed? |
| 07:17:42 | safetydan | Go to Settings -> Info to see |
| 07:17:58 | break- | 01.01.05P |
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| 07:18:30 | safetydan | break-: and there's definitely no Settings -> USB Mode menu? |
| 07:18:42 | break- | definitely not there |
| 07:19:24 | amiconn | 01.01.05 is too new afaik. Only the older OFs have that setting |
| 07:19:45 | break- | i have an E280 as well, but i've been afraid of doing anything to it, it's served me well with teh stock firmware. i just found a steal on a C240 ($15) and it has a microsd slot−−so i threw a 2gb card in there |
| 07:19:58 | break- | backup mp3 player, might as well see what rockbox is all about |
| 07:20:45 | break- | SansaC200P1_01_00.7z |
| 07:20:59 | break- | should i grab that? |
| 07:22:12 | * | amiconn doesn't know how to downgrade the OF on Sansa, as he didn't have to do that |
| 07:22:24 | amiconn | Others should probably know |
| 07:23:29 | break- | haha! |
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| 07:23:44 | break- | i just updated it, now i have MSC mode! |
| 07:24:15 | amiconn | So the updater doesn't refuse to downgrade? |
| 07:24:19 | break- | aw fuck |
| 07:24:26 | break- | i think i just screwed myself |
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| 07:24:42 | break- | excuse the language, sorry |
| 07:25:01 | break- | Re: DO NOT DOWNLOAD LAST FIRMWARE UPDATE!!! |
| 07:25:10 | break- | whoops? |
| 07:26:15 | break- | okay, found a fix. somebody has the EXACT same firmware as mine came with... |
| 07:26:33 | break- | i got it, thanks for paying attention to me while i think out loud |
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| 07:29:46 | break- | wow, i'm an idiot. it gives me 3 options on what i can do to get MSC mode right here in the wiki |
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| 07:37:15 | break- | haha |
| 07:37:33 | break- | i just downgraded the OF on my sansa C240 through service mode |
| 07:37:49 | break- | when it restarted, the sansa firmware updater crashed |
| 07:37:52 | break- | lol |
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| 07:51:45 | break- | holy crap |
| 07:51:48 | break- | rockbox is amazing |
| 07:51:57 | break- | i want this on my E series ASAP |
| 07:52:11 | break- | omfg this is awesome |
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| 07:53:36 | break- | last.fm log? wtF? |
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| 08:00:17 | safetydan | break-: the manual should answer most of your questions |
| 08:01:08 | break- | shhh |
| 08:01:14 | break- | playing doom on an mp3 player |
| 08:01:58 | scorche | 17 lines in a row...seriously... |
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| 08:02:18 | scorche | break-: this is not a social channel...please read the guidelines linked in the topic for this channel |
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| 08:08:10 | break- | yeah |
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| 08:16:15 | break- | this is seriously at least 10x what i expected |
| 08:16:19 | break- | wow, this is AMAZING |
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| 08:45:09 | Tuplanolla | hello |
| 08:45:23 | B4gder | hey ho |
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| 08:46:09 | Tuplanolla | where can I get linquist? as I am trying to translate rockbox utility and the guide says "edit the resulting *.ts file using "linguist" "? |
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| 08:47:15 | Llorean | It's just part of Qt I believe |
| 08:48:29 | Tuplanolla | hum |
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| 08:49:46 | Tuplanolla | can't find it from ubuntu repositories |
| 08:50:59 | ze | yep, my /usr/bin/linguist came from my qt4 package |
| 08:51:15 | Battousai | maybe they package it with qtdesigner? |
| 08:51:26 | ze | also my /usr/qt/3/bin/linguist i guess came with my qt3 one :p |
| 08:55:16 | Tuplanolla | noes, not in qt4-designer nor in qt3-designer |
| 08:57:57 | * | GodEater has a /usr/bin/linguist-qt4 installed on his ubuntu machine |
| 08:58:59 | Battousai | qt4-dev-tools? |
| 08:59:26 | Battousai | i'd dpkg to find out, but i don't have a deb/ubuntu machine |
| 08:59:49 | Tuplanolla | oh well, qt3-linguist :) |
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| 09:00:09 | Tuplanolla | also in qt4-dev-tools, thanks |
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| 09:33:01 | break- | quick question |
| 09:33:18 | break- | does the C240 support SDHC cards with rockbox? |
| 09:33:24 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 09:33:25 | break- | i heard the E280 does... |
| 09:33:36 | break- | it does? :P |
| 09:33:48 | break- | 8gb will work just fine in theory? |
| 09:34:00 | Llorean | That's kinda what "it supports SDHC" means... |
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| 09:34:35 | break- | rockbox really makes teh $15 i spent for this thing worth it |
| 09:34:49 | * | GodEater has an 8GB SDHC card working just fine in his C240 |
| 09:35:04 | break- | they dont make 16gb microsdhc yet, do they |
| 09:35:11 | GodEater | yes they do |
| 09:35:15 | break- | how much money haha |
| 09:35:30 | GodEater | "more than was justifiable" when I bought my 8GB |
| 09:35:32 | GodEater | :) |
| 09:36:02 | GodEater | I seem to recall it was about 80GBP |
| 09:36:43 | GodEater | bear in mind it's a MicroSDHC card you want as well, not just an normal SDHC card. |
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| 09:37:41 | break- | haha ya i know |
| 09:37:44 | break- | i have a 2gb card in it now |
| 09:38:17 | break- | basically 25 after tax for a 3gb mp3 player that views .nfo's and has games on it |
| 09:38:17 | break- | haha |
| 09:38:22 | GodEater | meh, 70GBP at the moment |
| 09:38:38 | break- | about 140usd? |
| 09:38:52 | GodEater | yup |
| 09:39:03 | GodEater | not really cost effective if you ask me |
| 09:39:09 | GodEater | depends how rich you are ;) |
| 09:42:38 | break- | i'm sure you could get an 8gb version of a rockbox compatible player for that price |
| 09:42:44 | break- | hell |
| 09:42:49 | break- | E280−−my other mp3 player |
| 09:42:57 | break- | the one i keep losing |
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| 09:55:30 | Tuplanolla | Generated 155 translation(s) (152 finished and 3 unfinished) yeah, it's gonna be ready soon :p |
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| 10:10:45 | Lear | Move 320 to a register, then use [r0, rx]? Just guessing, haven't written any arm code... |
| 10:16:20 | ThibG | hum, I'll try adding 320 directly to r0 |
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| 10:16:32 | ThibG | but I'll to substract after :s |
| 10:16:52 | ThibG | +have |
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| 10:29:18 | ThibG | It works :) |
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| 10:35:16 | Gartral | hi all |
| 10:35:38 | Gartral | where can i get a replacement cable for my sansa? |
| 10:36:41 | shadoxx | ebay? |
| 10:37:08 | Gartral | too much, im not spending 10 plus shipping |
| 10:37:38 | shadoxx | does sandisk's website sell them? |
| 10:37:53 | Gartral | dunno, brb |
| 10:38:02 | shadoxx | lol. sleep time for me |
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| 10:43:01 | Gartral | none in house made, none under 20 |
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| 10:45:26 | advcomp2019 | i found some for $5 with free shipping |
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| 11:00:00 | crwll | hey, does someone know what does it indicate when h120 doesn't charge, only blinks the charge led? a battery problem? |
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| 11:06:37 | markun | crwll: I think I had that when I bought an ipod battery for my h120 and connected it with reversed polatiry. |
| 11:07:14 | preglow | markun: nice :P |
| 11:07:24 | crwll | this is an 3rd party ipod battery (2300 mAh IIRC), but it's worked just fine for 2-3 years |
| 11:07:37 | crwll | well, maybe it's time to buy a new one |
| 11:08:23 | crwll | the battery is be functioning, voltage is at about 3.9V but it just doesn't charge anymore |
| 11:08:41 | markun | preglow: luckily it didn't break anything :) |
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| 11:37:38 | crwll | was there a page somewhere giving details on suitable batteries for the h100 series players? |
| 11:38:40 | crwll | ah, there are tons of replacement batteries on ebay |
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| 13:22:55 | Lear | Nico_P: That buffering bug may be a bit more common, but not always trigger a data abort. |
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| 14:04:20 | Lear | Nico_P: Now I really do think I've found it. If you do a reset_handle after having read a bit, the handle will be moved forward (the read bit) when buffering starts again. When moved, h->data will be updated but h->widx will *not*. Thus, the next read for that handle can overwrite the handle. |
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| 14:05:27 | Lear | I think resetting ridx in reset_handle is the way to go. This should fix this particular bug, but I think it could be a good idea to add some check to the "only move the handle struct" case in shrink_handle too. |
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| 14:10:34 | moos | Lear: always nice to see fresh blood on the playback/buffering front :) |
| 14:10:52 | moos | congrates for your spot |
| 14:16:23 | Nico_P | Lear: interesting, I'm looking |
| 14:23:24 | Nico_P | Lear: I see what you mean about adding the check in the else case of shrink_handle (something to make sure widx is still "after" data), but I'm not sure about what you mean with resetting ridx in reset_handle |
| 14:24:51 | Lear | Nico_P: That prevents move_handle from moving the handle (which is pointless in this case). |
| 14:25:30 | Nico_P | yes that's what I assumed |
| 14:25:43 | Nico_P | are you sure it's pointless? |
| 14:27:01 | Nico_P | hmm I guess it is, yeah |
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| 14:29:40 | Lear | This probably means the "h->ridx = h->data;" bit in rebuffer_handle isn't needed any more. So the crash only happened if there was a Q_START_FILL queued up right after Q_RESET_HANDLE, thus ridx was reset too late. |
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| 14:31:48 | Lear | Btw, I did suspected move_handle did something wrong because of incorrect data... |
| 14:32:38 | Nico_P | what do you mean? |
| 14:33:05 | Lear | About what? :) |
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| 14:33:29 | Nico_P | about move_handle |
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| 14:37:32 | Lear | Sorry, really meant shrink_handle.So it called move_handle when it shouldn't, due to ridx not being reset. |
| 14:38:13 | Nico_P | ah, right |
| 14:38:56 | Nico_P | I'm trying to remember why the ridx resetting comes so late instead of being done in reset_handle as you suggest |
| 14:39:30 | Lear | Anyway, I think I'll commit this, with the fix for fill_buffer too. |
| 14:40:00 | Nico_P | no added mutex locks though? |
| 14:42:31 | Lear | Nope. The fix is basically moving "h->ridx = h->data;" from one place to another. |
| 14:44:42 | Nico_P | well, many thanks for looking into the code :) |
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| 15:55:02 | agaffney | so...what might cause my sansa e260 v1 to start freezing up at random points? |
| 15:55:09 | agaffney | the last few days, it keeps locking up on me |
| 15:55:17 | agaffney | usually mid-song |
| 15:55:26 | agaffney | I can only turn it off by holding down the power button for 10s |
| 15:56:46 | Tuplanolla | rockbox version? |
| 15:56:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | What SVN build are you using? |
| 15:56:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | Go to System > Rockbox Info to find out. |
| 15:57:51 | agaffney | r17732 |
| 15:58:02 | agaffney | it did this once when I first installed it about a month ago |
| 15:58:09 | agaffney | and then it's been well behaved until the other day |
| 15:58:35 | agaffney | and nothing's changed on it recently |
| 15:59:00 | PaulJam | the build is quite old. please only report problems with the most recent revision. |
| 15:59:20 | PaulJam | current revision is r18009 |
| 15:59:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | Go and update your build. |
| 15:59:36 | agaffney | yeah, yeah...I guess I'll update |
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| 16:03:15 | agaffney | ok, updated |
| 16:03:21 | agaffney | I guess I'll just let it play for a while and see what happens |
| 16:03:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | Also, what kinds of music files are you trying to play? |
| 16:04:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Vorbis? MP3? FLAC? |
| 16:05:45 | PaulJam | and if the problems really started without having changed anything in rockbox, doing a check of the filesystem wouldn't be a bad idea (on windows with chkdsk). |
| 16:06:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | PaulJam: Make that chkdsk /f. ;) |
| 16:07:14 | PaulJam | even "chkdsk Driveletter: /f" |
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| 16:18:57 | agaffney | LambdaCalculus37: MP3 |
| 16:21:06 | agaffney | PaulJam: that would require having an actual windows box (not just a VM) |
| 16:21:20 | agaffney | usb passthrough with vmware is a pita in linux :P |
| 16:22:20 | Tuplanolla | Generated 425 translation(s) (425 finished and 0 unfinished) yeah |
| 16:22:43 | PaulJam | well, there are also linux tools to check the filesysten. |
| 16:24:34 | agaffney | yep, fsck.vfat |
| 16:24:58 | agaffney | what you said just implied that it needed to be done with windows |
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| 16:26:06 | PaulJam | sorry, that was a little bit unclear then. on linux fsck.vfat should work too. |
| 16:27:15 | agaffney | it's on song 9 now and still going with the new build |
| 16:27:31 | agaffney | I'll let it go a bit longer and then check the filesystem |
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| 16:36:55 | elvalecita | hello! i have a n odd question about the md5sumplugin. How can I stop the process? I entered the plugin without actually wanting to, and then while trying to return to the menu, it started doing somenthing . it says:"output file: /everything.md5.sum" |
| 16:37:19 | elvalecita | the thing is it still has like 10000 to go, and that could take hours |
| 16:37:41 | elvalecita | i already tried pluging it to the computer, can anyone help me? |
| 16:37:45 | PaulJam | currently the only way is to shutdown the player |
| 16:38:11 | elvalecita | by hard resetting? |
| 16:38:12 | PaulJam | what player do you have? |
| 16:38:33 | elvalecita | o right, sorry, i forgot: Ipod 5.5 30g |
| 16:38:42 | PaulJam | normal shutdown should work. but if it doesn't then do a reset. |
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| 16:39:27 | elvalecita | reset worked thanks! |
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| 16:42:54 | PaulJam | dionoea: will you implement a button to abort the md5sum generation anytime soon, or should a bugreport be opened for that issue. |
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| 16:54:55 | * | preglow wants simpler crossfade settings :/ |
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| 17:00:46 | PaulJam | hmm, the FLAC decoder in rockbox seems to handle incomplete files (that were just cut in the middle) not very nice. it produces an unpleasant noise instead of just skipping to the next file. |
| 17:02:28 | Nico_P | PaulJam: anything to do with FS #9137 ? |
| 17:04:24 | PaulJam | Nico_P: yes, indirectly. the bug in FS #9137 seems to cause that the file is only buffered incompletely and triggers this noise that way. |
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| 17:08:15 | PaulJam | Nico_P: at least the comments in the code in buffering.c say that the file gets truncated: /* Try to recover by truncating this file */ (that comment is in the same part of the code that produces the "buf alloc short" logf message) |
| 17:08:49 | Nico_P | that's an area I'm not familiar with... I'll look |
| 17:09:11 | PaulJam | oh, i thought you wrote it. |
| 17:09:47 | Nico_P | ah, right. I have, sorry |
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| 17:09:58 | Nico_P | forgot about that comment :p |
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| 17:20:38 | Nico_P | PaulJam: I'm going home for now, but I'll try to spend some time tracing that one down |
| 17:20:54 | PaulJam | thanks. |
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| 17:21:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | Question... I want to give my Archos JBRv1 an updated build and flash it. Since I have to compile and don't want the database, I'd like to exclude it from the build. Where can I go to exclude the database in a build? (I'm guessing it's a SOURCES file somewhere...) |
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| 17:22:21 | * | domonoky would suspect its a Define in the config file, but i am not sure.. |
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| 17:24:12 | PaulJam | probably #define HAVE_TAGCACHE in the config-<target>.h |
| 17:25:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | PaulJam: Thanks! |
| 17:27:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | For some insane reason, I only have 0.429MB of buffer free on it currently, and that's when music isn't being played! |
| 17:27:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | Although I chalk it up to a faulty flashing. |
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| 17:29:16 | PaulJam | what is the opinion about the behaviour of the flac decoder with truncated files? i mean you aren't supposed to try to play broken files, but i still think this should be handled i a nicer way. should i open a bugreport for that? |
| 17:31:21 | geek_ | LambdaCalculus37: hmm, weren't you the one who mentioned working on a zen xtra/zen/dell jukebox port? |
| 17:32:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | geek_: Yes, I did. But I haven't had any time to sit down with it lately, plus my Dell DJ is pretty much in pieces and dead, so I need to get another one. |
| 17:32:25 | amiconn | PaulJam: What's the problem? Back when I had some broken flac files (due to glitchy linux usb), it just skipped to the next file at the point of error... |
| 17:33:50 | geek_ | LambdaCalculus37: ahh, i got a zen xtra lying around, it needs some minor repairs, but i figured i might be able to get some info about it if needed |
| 17:34:51 | PaulJam | amiconn: for me it outputs noise. i can send you an example file. |
| 17:35:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | geek_: That's great! If you want to tear it open and start with hardware information and scans, please do so and post it to the wiki. |
| 17:35:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | Also, download a firmware update and see how the firmware update process works. |
| 17:35:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | Are you registered on the wiki? |
| 17:36:32 | geek_ | LambdaCalculus37: i'm fairly familar with the firmware update process. tearing it open and scanning it will be an issue, i have no scanner, and the repairs involve resoldering and hotglueing. i only started lookin into this a few days back when i got my ipod ;p |
| 17:36:41 | mcuelenaere | LambdaCalculus37, geek_: I suspect the firmware update will be either similar to the ZVM or using NJB |
| 17:37:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | mcuelenare: Most of the early ZEN devices were very similar in that aspect, and the Dell DJ is no exception. |
| 17:37:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | The problem is that I have no working hardware anymore, and unfortunately little time to myself to really work on it. :/ |
| 17:38:16 | geek_ | mcuelenaere: from what i recall you put it in recovery mode, then use a 'installer' on the host to push it in. the silly thing kept having wierd issues with playlists and that fixed it |
| 17:38:49 | mcuelenaere | yes ok, that's how it works in general; but we need to figure out what protocol it's running :) |
| 17:38:54 | geek_ | i do have my hands on the most recent firmware update, i just need to solder te power input on again |
| 17:39:01 | mcuelenaere | geek_: does the Zen Xtra also uses MTP? |
| 17:39:03 | geek_ | mcuelenaere: how do i do that ? ;p |
| 17:39:16 | geek_ | mcuelenaere: yup. |
| 17:39:25 | mcuelenaere | ah ok then it should be similar to what's already in SVN |
| 17:39:35 | geek_ | its basically the zen with a larger screen |
| 17:40:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | geek_: Can you see what family of TMS320 CPU/DSP the Zen Xtra uses? |
| 17:40:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | The Dell DJ uses a TMS320DA255, and datasheets for it are a little hard to come by. |
| 17:41:09 | geek_ | LambdaCalculus37: i'll need to have it fixed first.. do i need to look in it, or get it off the chip itself? |
| 17:41:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | geek_: The chip should be labeled. |
| 17:41:46 | geek_ | (just for the record, it has a broken power input, i will probably get it fixed next week.. i'll be able to check then i suspect) |
| 17:41:53 | geek_ | ahh |
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| 17:42:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | While it's broken, you can at least document the chipset on it. |
| 17:42:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | geek_: By the way, you didn't answer if you're registered on the wiki or not. ;) |
| 17:42:39 | geek_ | LambdaCalculus37: its fixably broken and no |
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| 17:42:54 | geek_ | i quite literally stumbled on this this morning ;p |
| 17:43:21 | mcuelenaere | geek_: have you already tried extracting the firmware with zenutils/CreativeWizard? |
| 17:43:42 | mcuelenaere | hmm I could do it myself actually :) |
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| 17:43:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | geek_: Register on the wiki, and let me know when you're done so I can give you write access. |
| 17:44:14 | geek_ | mcuelenaere: nope, not yey |
| 17:45:12 | mcuelenaere | geek_: does the Zen Xtra have firmware updates? |
| 17:45:39 | geek_ | mcuelenaere: yup, i think i got the most recent one off the creative website |
| 17:45:53 | mcuelenaere | geek_: I can't seem to find it on the US one |
| 17:46:00 | geek_ | LambdaCalculus37: i'm on as RaviMohan |
| 17:46:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | I found one: http://drivers.softpedia.com/progDownload/Creative-ZEN-Xtra-PlaysForSure-Firmware-Download-43231.html |
| 17:46:10 | geek_ | mcuelenaere: i'm on the singapore one ;p |
| 17:46:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | geek_: Okay, let me set you up. |
| 17:46:18 | geek_ | LambdaCalculus37: the PFS one is bad |
| 17:46:49 | geek_ | one moment |
| 17:47:08 | mcuelenaere | ah missed a link |
| 17:47:28 | geek_ | don't use the PFS ones ;p |
| 17:48:27 | mcuelenaere | what's the major difference between PFS and non-PFS? |
| 17:48:50 | geek_ | PFS is plays for sure, it supports DRM, and has a tendancy to brick players |
| 17:49:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | geek_: You have write access, but I don't see you as having registered for the wiki. |
| 17:49:28 | * | mcuelenaere wonders why zook's zenutils aren't in SVN.. |
| 17:49:40 | geek_ | LambdaCalculus37: waiting for the confirmation mail |
| 17:50:18 | geek_ | http://support.creative.com/downloads/download.aspx?nDownloadId=8471 could you see if this works? |
| 17:50:40 | geek_ | thats the non PFS firmware for the creative zen xtra |
| 17:50:51 | mcuelenaere | I already downloaded both ;) |
| 17:51:12 | geek_ | mcuelenaere: its apparently kinda hidden, wikipedia says it isn't there ;p |
| 17:52:19 | geek_ | oh shit |
| 17:52:27 | geek_ | i mispelled my e mail >< |
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| 17:54:10 | geek_ | LambdaCalculus37: er, could you remove write permissions? i'd better do this when i'm more awake >< |
| 17:54:16 | mcuelenaere | the firmware contains the standard FBOOT & FRESC |
| 17:54:38 | geek_ | thats good? |
| 17:54:41 | domonoky | hi krz, have you seen FS #9179 ? it fixes compiling of the wps editor on linux .. |
| 17:54:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | geek_: Done. |
| 17:54:52 | mcuelenaere | hmm the PFS contains an extra file in flash |
| 17:55:11 | geek_ | LambdaCalculus37: thanks, i'll look at re-registering in the morning, and i'll let someone know |
| 17:55:19 | krz | hi, yes, i saw, but haven't applied yet |
| 17:55:23 | geek_ | mcuelenaere: yeah, probably for encrypting and decrypting |
| 17:55:37 | domonoky | krz: about the progress reports: you can also use the wiki, instead of the mailing list. But we need at least weekly reports |
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| 17:56:09 | krz | sure, if you need |
| 17:56:44 | domonoky | krz: how is the code cleanup going ? ( we should also rename some things. ie Proxy to rbwpslib. Gui -> wpseditor... ) |
| 17:57:40 | krz | what else should be renamed? to make it in one step.. |
| 17:58:55 | domonoky | krz: just try to make sensible names.. so mainwindowimpl.cpp/h should also be renamed.. and maybe some other files.. |
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| 17:59:18 | mcuelenaere | geek_: I decrypted most of the files succesfully |
| 17:59:29 | krz | how should be mainwindowimpl renamed? |
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| 18:00:37 | domonoky | mainwindowimpl contains the wps editor gui, so maybe wpseditorwindow ? |
| 18:00:59 | domonoky | or just wpseditor.cpp/h |
| 18:02:06 | domonoky | about your svn problems: someone suggested to use a shh Tunnel with putty to another machine which can access svn. Do you know putty ? |
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| 18:02:24 | geek_ | mcuelenaere: er. i mean the additional file is for decrypting pfs= play for sure, which is some microsoft DRM thing ;p |
| 18:02:26 | krz | nope |
| 18:02:35 | yonkeltron | check this out: yonkeltron.com/2008/07/11/rockbox-used-to-help-blind-israelis-rock-out/">http://yonkeltron.com/2008/07/11/rockbox-used-to-help-blind-israelis-rock-out/ |
| 18:03:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | mcuelenaere: On your most recent commit... can you explain zenutils a bit? |
| 18:04:28 | pixelma | and is zook's real name known? |
| 18:04:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: IIRC his real name is Rasmus Ry. |
| 18:05:13 | mcuelenaere | LambdaCalculus37: it is used to extract firmwares from updaters and to split it into pieces |
| 18:05:27 | mcuelenaere | (updaters meaning .exe and firmware meaning nk.bin) |
| 18:05:40 | mcuelenaere | see CreativeZVMPort for some info |
| 18:06:00 | mcuelenaere | particulary this part: CreativeZVMPort#Firmware_Format |
| 18:06:13 | pixelma | shouldn't he be in CREDITS then? ;) |
| 18:06:22 | mcuelenaere | ah yes :) |
| 18:06:35 | mcuelenaere | problem is: I never knew his name |
| 18:06:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | yonkeltron: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ArticlesAboutRockbox |
| 18:06:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | mcuelenaere: Let me make sure. |
| 18:06:47 | mcuelenaere | I think I found it at google, but I'm not sure |
| 18:06:53 | mcuelenaere | and he isn't available anymore :( |
| 18:06:57 | * | LambdaCalculus37 checks IrcNicks |
| 18:07:01 | mcuelenaere | he's gone since like several years |
| 18:07:10 | | Nick geek_ is now known as geek_asleep (n=geek@cm87.delta16.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 18:07:11 | mcuelenaere | I'm not sure if he ever was on IRC |
| 18:07:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | He's not listed |
| 18:07:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | But there was a Rasmus Ry who has done several edits to the Creative-related wiki pages, usually after discussion on the forums. |
| 18:07:46 | yonkeltron | LambdaCalculus37: w00t! |
| 18:08:04 | mcuelenaere | LambdaCalculus37: yes indeed, I think that's him |
| 18:08:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | mcuelenaere: Add him to the credits, then. ;) |
| 18:09:03 | mcuelenaere | "svn log" |
| 18:10:03 | domonoky | can someone make my student (krz) a account on a machine which is always online ? so he can use it to ssh to it and then use svn ? |
| 18:12:03 | domonoky | also i need someone who can help him setting up this tunnel with putty (i tried it yesterday myself and failed) :-) |
| 18:12:27 | krz | jup :) |
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| 18:17:09 | linuxstb | domonoky: Didn't scorche|sh / scorche volunteer for that? |
| 18:20:21 | domonoky | krz: so shh does not work ? any more errors ? |
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| 18:20:56 | domonoky | it seems your internet provider restrictiv... |
| 18:21:01 | krz | port 22? |
| 18:21:10 | domonoky | yes, ssh is on port 22 |
| 18:21:31 | krz | seems it is not working for me |
| 18:22:11 | domonoky | bad... so we really need to ask our swedes if they could allow svn via http. |
| 18:22:43 | mcuelenaere | isn't it possible to do ssh on other ports? |
| 18:23:14 | krz | so, why can we have a mirror on code.google.com? |
| 18:23:58 | domonoky | krz, because its difficult to keep a mirror in sync ? especially if you can commit to both.. |
| 18:24:38 | domonoky | shh on other ports could be possible. can someone configure his machine so ssh listens on port 80 ? so he can try if this works... |
| 18:26:57 | domonoky | so i hope we get this problem resolved either way till in a few days. Till then you can work on cleaning up the code :-) |
| 18:27:22 | linuxstb | krz: Is it normal for ISPs in your part of the world to be so restrictive? |
| 18:28:11 | krz | so, i don't know, may be this is provider, are somethiing with internet connection |
| 18:28:38 | linuxstb | Are you sure it's not a local firewall on your PC, or similar? |
| 18:29:42 | krz | nope. may be firewall on router(a smth else?) cos , my PC is connected to the network to have access to internet |
| 18:31:20 | Nico_P | mcuelenaere: what are the zenutils for? |
| 18:31:21 | domonoky | krz: is there some network administrator for your network ? maybe you could ask him. |
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| 18:31:26 | mcuelenaere | krz, domonoky: try ssh'ing 78.21.190.16 on port 80 |
| 18:31:37 | mcuelenaere | (not sure whether my router forwarding is set correctly) |
| 18:32:06 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: telenet? If so, don't they block any <1024 incoming ports? |
| 18:32:07 | mcuelenaere | Nico_P: I committed this just now as I though it was already a long time ago in SVN; it's for editing firmwares from the Creative Zen line |
| 18:32:18 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: ah, yes that's true |
| 18:32:24 | mcuelenaere | domonoky, krz: never mind then |
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| 18:33:36 | krz | mcuelenaere: seems to work =) |
| 18:33:52 | mcuelenaere | huh? can't be true; I just removed the forward and shut down sshd :) |
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| 18:35:45 | krz | mcuelenaere: but there is no "network error" as it was before |
| 18:36:19 | mcuelenaere | weird, still I'm sure you won't get a connection |
| 18:37:03 | domonoky | krz, we will try to set up an account for you one some machine in the next days, then you can test again :-) |
| 18:37:10 | krz | so there is a black window with no erres. just empty window |
| 18:37:23 | domonoky | krz, so if you have to leave, i will wave goodbye :-) |
| 18:37:51 | krz | bye! |
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| 18:45:35 | preglow | when translating lang files, does it make sense to also translate button names? i'm thinking it might be better to keep them the same as in the manual, which is engklish |
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| 18:50:42 | preglow | also, someone please decide what to do with "study mode" before we release :> |
| 18:51:26 | preglow | "study increment" |
| 18:51:29 | preglow | sweet lord, how little sense that makes |
| 18:51:32 | pixelma | in the German language file they weren't (except one which I changed back recently), most other languages don't translate it either except svenska, if I remember correctly |
| 18:51:59 | preglow | pixelma: i think i'll change the norwegian one to not translate them as well, then |
| 18:53:12 | pixelma | preglow: haha, yeah, that's what I came across at devcon too and I even asked a native speaker there (Llorean) and he said that wouldn't make sense to him... but in the end it lead to an interesting idea, I still think |
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| 18:55:01 | pixelma | having a setting "skip length" instead of "study mode plus subsettings" which defaults to "track" and then there are certain time values you could chose from. That would also make it more clear that one changes the skip behaviour |
| 18:58:44 | preglow | pixelma: that's exactly what i've been saying for the last month... |
| 18:58:58 | preglow | no, more |
| 18:58:58 | preglow | heh |
| 18:59:06 | preglow | someone should just implement that |
| 18:59:09 | preglow | someone not me :>@ |
| 18:59:42 | * | pixelma looks around for "someone" again... nope, not there... |
| 18:59:51 | * | gevaerts is not here |
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| 19:01:23 | pixelma | preglow: I already wondered whether "study increment" has to do with the time you spend at uni, or so :) |
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| 19:11:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hmmm... trying to build rombox for the JBRv1; what options do I give tools/configure? |
| 19:13:26 | pixelma | build a normal build (with HAVE_TAGCACHE commented out) and it should automatically generate a rombox.ucl too in the build zip (see the Player and OndioSP builds where it still fits with the database) |
| 19:13:50 | Nico_P | LambdaCalculus37: it's n.1 I think |
| 19:15:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: I did comment out #define HAVE_TAGCACHE in firmware/export/config-recorder.h, but when I compiled the build, I didn't get a rombox.ucl. |
| 19:16:21 | pixelma | in the zip? |
| 19:16:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | As long as /* comment */ is a valid way of commenting. |
| 19:16:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nope. Just a rockbox.ucl file. |
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| 19:17:50 | pixelma | that's also what the RomBox wiki says which was recently updated by TomCole, but I try too |
| 19:18:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Okay. |
| 19:18:22 | pixelma | is it a v1 Recorder or v2? |
| 19:18:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | v1. |
| 19:20:56 | * | LambdaCalculus37 tries again, this time making sure to pipe all output from the compiler to a text file |
| 19:21:35 | pixelma | that wiki page doesn't say that you don't need this if you have an OndioSP or a Player/Studio though, would need to find a nice explanation... |
| 19:22:47 | pixelma | or better "as long as a zip from an unaltered source contains the rombox.ucl". Who know when the next rombox breaks :\ |
| 19:23:32 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: hmm, if I didn't make a mistake, it is still too big |
| 19:23:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Interesting that I just received a yellow when building... "error: firmware image is 225746 bytes while max size is 204800!" "Image too big, making a compressed version!" |
| 19:24:12 | pixelma | yeah, got that too |
| 19:24:54 | * | gevaerts points LambdaCalculus37 to "script" |
| 19:27:42 | * | LambdaCalculus37 makes a teeny, tiny fix to config-recorder.h, then starts building again and crosses his fingers |
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| 19:28:40 | pixelma | with the database, the firmware image is 252906 bytes, so I did comment it out correctly... |
| 19:29:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | So why is it saying that it's still too big? |
| 19:30:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | And for that matter, why in Eris am I still seeing tagnavi.config and database.ignore files? |
| 19:36:28 | pixelma | well, either it got too big even without database or the ifdef HAVE_TAGCACHE wasn't used in all places |
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| 19:36:28 | pixelma | I think |
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| 19:36:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: I have an ajbrec.ajz file that's 151990 bytes long, and my rockbox.ucl file is 150855 bytes long. |
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| 19:36:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | That _does_ sound like it must not have included the database, but I'm not 100% sure. |
| 19:38:55 | pixelma | if I remember correctly, the rockbox.bin is what matters (the ucl files are already compressed) |
| 19:38:56 | bluebrother | hmm. Do we really want binaries like those for zenutils in svn? |
| 19:41:29 | * | bluebrother wasn't too fond the time we got binary dlls in svn either |
| 19:46:06 | amiconn | LambdaCalculus37: This isn't a yellow, it's normal |
| 19:46:26 | amiconn | Don't get confused by the various images and limits |
| 19:46:51 | amiconn | ...and compressed/uncompressed variants |
| 19:47:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: But is that message normal? |
| 19:47:09 | amiconn | yes |
| 19:47:24 | amiconn | It doesn't cause yellow when building. Check the recorder build logs |
| 19:47:26 | pixelma | "normal" when he wants to get a rombox.ucl by commenting out "HAVE_TAGCACHE" |
| 19:47:31 | pixelma | ? |
| 19:47:40 | amiconn | rombox != ajbrec.ajz |
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| 19:48:11 | amiconn | The limit for ajbrec.ajz on player and recorder v1 is 200KB (arbitrary limit imposed by the archos loader |
| 19:48:32 | pixelma | btw. I don't get a rombox.ucl either |
| 19:48:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Yes, I understand that. But what is causing rombox.ucl to not be built? |
| 19:48:34 | amiconn | The limit for rombox, however, is 232KB (player), resp 228KB (all other archoses) |
| 19:49:13 | amiconn | Rombox is long gone for recv1. Only Ondio SP and Player still have it. |
| 19:49:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | .... |
| 19:49:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | Wow, I'm really behind the times, aren't I? :P |
| 19:50:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: So I shouldn't be going nuts trying to build it then? |
| 19:50:15 | pixelma | if you comment out HAVE_TAGCACHE then the rockbox.bin is 225.712 Bytes and so rombox.ucl should build, or? |
| 19:51:00 | pixelma | that's why this define was introduced... |
| 19:51:06 | amiconn | Ah, commenting out tagcache. SOmething I wouldn't do, but wel... |
| 19:51:35 | pixelma | that's what the discussion was about... |
| 19:51:36 | amiconn | LambdaCalculus37: Are you running 'make' or just 'make bin' by chance? |
| 19:51:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: I'm running 'make && make zip'. |
| 19:51:55 | * | pixelma ran "make && make zip" |
| 19:53:02 | amiconn | mompls |
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| 19:55:39 | scorche | domonoky: still need me to set him up with a shell account? |
| 19:55:50 | amiconn | LambdaCalculus37: Rombox building was disabled in configure, in order to avoid an error message. |
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| 19:56:55 | amiconn | Uncomment line 784 in configure (#archosrom="$pwd/rombox.ucl"), reconfigure and try again |
| 19:57:02 | domonoky | scorche: jup would be good. |
| 19:57:21 | scorche | domonoky: do i see correctly that he was having issues with port 22? |
| 19:57:33 | domonoky | jup |
| 19:57:45 | domonoky | could you set up ssh on port 80 ? |
| 19:58:07 | gevaerts | You mean instead f the forums? |
| 19:58:13 | scorche | 443 would probably be better.... |
| 19:58:30 | scorche | port 80 on that box is pretty busy ;) |
| 19:58:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Thanks; will try that. |
| 19:59:01 | pixelma | hmm... should have been mentioned on the RomBox page too |
| 19:59:17 | scorche | those pages are ancient... |
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| 19:59:37 | pixelma | they were reworked recently |
| 19:59:46 | domonoky | scorche: sure we can try if it works on port 443 for him. |
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| 20:00:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: I had to do a little further reworking to the BootBox page to reflect the menu layout. |
| 20:00:23 | amiconn | That wasn't difficult to track down, following the Makefile targets... |
| 20:00:30 | pixelma | scorche: probably not fully yet |
| 20:00:38 | scorche | pixelma: ah |
| 20:00:49 | * | scorche is a big fan of people that rework the wiki |
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| 20:01:30 | scorche | domonoky: alright...let me do a few RL things, and i will then see about moving ssh to 443, vmware image, and other rockbox stuff |
| 20:01:32 | pixelma | TomCole is the one providing the 2.5.1 build, if I remember corrctly |
| 20:01:36 | pixelma | correctly too |
| 20:01:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: When did rombox stop being included with default builds. |
| 20:01:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | ? |
| 20:01:59 | domonoky | scorche: sure, no hurry, student is offline at moment :-) |
| 20:02:08 | pixelma | long time ago - since the build table is green for them again |
| 20:02:14 | amiconn | LambdaCalculus37: It was included as long as it did fit |
| 20:02:33 | scorche | domonoky: i hadnt seen him in IRC since he was trying to get selected ;) |
| 20:02:39 | amiconn | The explicit disabling happened later, to avoid an error message in the log and speed up building a little |
| 20:03:00 | amiconn | For Player and Ondio SP, rombox is still included, and works |
| 20:03:33 | domonoky | he was here a few hours ago. And i will move all my talk with him to irc :-) So i hope you will see him more often... |
| 20:03:45 | scorche | \o/ |
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| 20:08:39 | bluebrother | domonoky: what's his usual time of activity? |
| 20:09:38 | * | LambdaCalculus37 updates the RomBox wiki page |
| 20:10:47 | domonoky | i mostly goes offline at 19 or 20'oClock (gmt +2), when he normaly comes online, i dont know |
| 20:10:57 | domonoky | s/i/he :-) |
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| 20:15:57 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: while you're at it, could you mention that building your own is not necessary for the OndioSP and the Player yet (as long as a rombox.ucl is in the zip you can download)? |
| 20:16:11 | pixelma | or something like that |
| 20:16:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: I did... see the Special Notes. |
| 20:18:41 | pixelma | but it is wrong because of the OndioFM, and I would have expected it right under "Building your own"... |
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| 20:19:36 | pixelma | but didn't find a nice way to put things yet, otherwise I would have edited myself |
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| 20:32:03 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: thanks, do you see a way to describe it more generically (in case the next rombox breaks, maybe for the OndioSP)? |
| 20:32:24 | pixelma | maybe it's clear enough now though... |
| 20:33:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Actually, it's very clear now. |
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| 20:42:37 | mcuelenaere | bluebrother: I just committed everything which was in the zip file, I can delete those binaries if you want.. and about the DLL: I added that one because I thought building it would be rather difficult for some people as it requires VS2005.. |
| 20:44:31 | bluebrother | mcuelenaere: well, it might be just me feeling somewhat strange with binaries in svn. But one could argue that we now also should put other binaries there ... |
| 20:44:46 | bluebrother | maybe it makes sense to discuss this with some more people ;-) |
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| 20:49:20 | kevinclift | I have a quick question regarding the wps screen for anyone with a second to spare - I'm trying to fix my theme (glassnshadows) to work with newer releases. |
| 20:49:46 | GodEater_ | just ask the questions, there's no need to "introduce" it |
| 20:50:15 | kevinclift | do the images, such as battery volume, etc. have to be done in multiple image bmp's now |
| 20:50:39 | GodEater_ | I don't think they "have" to be |
| 20:50:43 | GodEater_ | it's just a choice you have |
| 20:51:06 | mcuelenaere | bluebrother: I'll delete the zenutils binaries anyway, those aren't that important (people can compile them easily) |
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| 20:51:35 | kevinclift | hmm, then I'm stumped as to why my wps won't work - have some of the tags changed in the last 3 months or so? |
| 20:52:29 | kevinclift | according to the wps faq, all the tags that i'm using are working |
| 20:53:32 | PaulJam | kevinclift: %P and %pb were merged into a single %pb tag and %m was removed |
| 20:53:37 | pixelma | yes, the %pb tag changed (new syntax is explained on the CustomWPS page) and the margin tag was removed - this topic has been covered in the forums a few times already |
| 20:54:14 | kevinclift | sorry, I've been out of country for a couple of wks, and haven't had a chance to get caught up |
| 20:54:33 | kevinclift | I will hit the forum then. thanks for your patience |
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| 21:34:01 | amiconn | ehh... |
| 21:34:22 | amiconn | Since when does the frontpage script cut long file lists? |
| 21:35:29 | bertrik | I think it already did that when the license was updated during the devcon weekend |
| 21:36:03 | * | amiconn would prefer it to not do that, at least not in the longer version of the list... :/ |
| 21:37:02 | pixelma | yes, it was added for the licence change, for the +1000 files |
| 21:38:01 | pixelma | you can still see the complete list if you look at the revision on its own |
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| 21:54:42 | amiconn | RomBox is still outdated... |
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| 21:58:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: The wiki page? I'll have another look at it later. |
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| 21:59:17 | amiconn | 1st paragraph: "The first (alternate) firmware is usually the original Archos firmware." <= This was true during the early days of archos flashing, but it was later replaced by bootbox, for 2 reasons |
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| 22:07:18 | bertrik | What key is most commonly used in rockbox for the context menu? |
| 22:07:38 | bertrik | I'm asking because this seems to be different between sansa c200 and e200 |
| 22:08:03 | Llorean | The c200 has less keys, so needed a more unique keymap. |
| 22:08:16 | Llorean | Well, less "usable" keys for normal navigation, due to the position of the volume button.s |
| 22:08:36 | Llorean | It has no scroll wheel, but has those instead, which really can't be used effectively as a substitute. |
| 22:10:43 | bertrik | ok, the difference I see is that on e200, a long press on the center button summons the context menu, both in the menu and in the WPS. On the c200, it summons the context menu in the menus, but a long press in the WPS does not |
| 22:11:47 | bertrik | (on c200, the down button is used to summon the context menu while in WPS) |
| 22:16:04 | pixelma | well yes, you could also add your thoughts (and maybe patches) to FS #8824 ;) |
| 22:17:09 | bertrik | thanks, I'll have a look at that |
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| 22:19:09 | pixelma | it's not easy to deal with this button layout, it's a bit of a bit since there are quite a few buttons - but as Llorean mentioned the placement of the buttons are not ideal |
| 22:19:51 | pixelma | errr... the latter "bit" should have been a "pity" |
| 22:21:03 | bertrik | right.. :P |
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| 22:27:44 | bertrik | Basically the difference between c200 and e200 is just the wheel / volume control, so IMO there should be no difference between c200 and e200 with respect to the other buttons. |
| 22:28:32 | bertrik | I'm a bit surprised to see that long power is a key too. This may explain that I got stuck in the recording screen :) |
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| 22:29:53 | Llorean | bertrik: There's a hole in your logic: If the wheel is missing, its functions need to go somewhere... which means other buttons need to be displaced, etc. |
| 22:31:15 | pixelma | bertrik: would you like to use the volume buttons to move up or down in a list? |
| 22:31:42 | bertrik | ok true, I should have said 'no difference as far as possible' |
| 22:31:49 | bertrik | pixelma, no |
| 22:32:11 | pixelma | unfortunately this makes a big difference |
| 22:32:23 | bertrik | there's no need for the context menu key to be different as far as I can see |
| 22:32:56 | pixelma | probably not in the WPS yes |
| 22:33:24 | mcuelenaere | hmm there's seems to be something rather weird with my lcd driver |
| 22:33:42 | mcuelenaere | do some settings/values need to be set when porting a new lcd to lcd-16bit.c? |
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| 22:37:04 | pixelma | bertrik: another example, in the recording screen it might be possible too but I find it a bit "dangerous" because a short select also starts a recording (and there are two ways of starting a recording, has to do with file split or so, IIRC. Maybe this could be solved differently though... |
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| 22:42:33 | bertrik | pixelma, ok. I actually agree with most of the changes in the patch (I wasn't even aware that rec + other key could be a valid combo) |
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| 22:44:51 | pixelma | the reason I put it in the tracker is that I'm not satisfied with some things of it myself and was out of ideas, I hoped to get some of others but it seems that didn't work |
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| 22:50:59 | bertrik | Yeah, it would be a pity to have that patch linger on forever in the tracker. |
| 22:51:34 | faemir | ipods really don't go flat gracefully. |
| 22:51:43 | faemir | Mine was just trying to boot |
| 22:51:45 | faemir | in a loop |
| 22:51:45 | faemir | =/ |
| 22:51:53 | bertrik | Unfortunately I'm not very familiar myself with the functions in some of the menu's like recording and the virtual keyboard |
| 22:57:44 | mcuelenaere | does anyone recognize this behaviour? http://uploadimage.org/images/5y5fyvlumi1eojdsgmx0.jpg |
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| 22:58:01 | mcuelenaere | I can provide only provide a binary for the onda logo (no BMP) |
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| 23:00:33 | fml | Nico_P and other wps_parser guys: ping |
| 23:00:54 | Nico_P | yes? |
| 23:01:22 | fml | I'll shoot right away: shouldn't wps_parser: 1222 fail instead of skipping to the end of line? |
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| 23:07:34 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: Just the image doesn't tell much, but it looks like some update window/ update direction problem |
| 23:08:26 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: Btw, got anywhere wrt the colour bit packing? |
| 23:08:31 | mcuelenaere | AFAIK the Rockbox logo is displayed as it would be at half the width |
| 23:08:39 | mcuelenaere | the colour bit packing seems to be 5-6-5 :) |
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| 23:09:17 | amiconn | Oh, so what caused the weird colour blocks in your earlier experiments? |
| 23:11:01 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: the source of the file mcuelenaere/ondavx747.txt">http://users.telenet.be/mcuelenaere/ondavx747.txt |
| 23:11:25 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: I don't know, but I tested an extracted image from the OF (as seen in the link) and it seems to be 5-6-5 |
| 23:12:10 | mcuelenaere | (the image is 320x240 but the screen 400x240, that's why there's a conversion) |
| 23:13:11 | mcuelenaere | I can replicate the behaviour on PC when displaying the image in libbitmapsnative.a at 160x100 instead of 320x100, but it still doesn't explain why it is there on the device.. |
| 23:13:28 | mcuelenaere | it seems to be something with the DMA transfer, but I can't really figure out what |
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| 23:15:03 | fml | Nico_P: still here? |
| 23:15:12 | * | amiconn would do this conversion by using lcd_bitmap() instead of doing it by hand |
| 23:15:23 | mcuelenaere | I just mimiced the OF |
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| 23:16:53 | * | amiconn suspects the lcd_update() implementation |
| 23:17:16 | amiconn | Especially since the Onda logo & texts are still there |
| 23:17:45 | amiconn | A proper lcd_update() transfers the whole framebuffer to the lcd, leaving no remnants of what the OF (loader) might have put there |
| 23:18:04 | mcuelenaere | mm lcd_bitmap() does indeed the same |
| 23:18:27 | mcuelenaere | no, displaying the onda logo is intended behaviour |
| 23:18:34 | amiconn | ? |
| 23:18:38 | mcuelenaere | it's the only clear thing I can get on the display atm :) |
| 23:18:46 | mcuelenaere | that's what the huge image[] array is |
| 23:19:08 | mcuelenaere | my problem is getting stuff formatted by Rockbox on the LCD.. |
| 23:19:12 | Nico_P | fml: sorry, I was distracted... let me check |
| 23:19:18 | amiconn | uh? |
| 23:19:37 | * | amiconn obviously got lost somewhere... |
| 23:19:44 | mcuelenaere | I extracted the Onda logo from the OF and tried displaying it (with the original displaying routines) |
| 23:20:01 | mcuelenaere | (so I copied the onda logo to the framebuffer) |
| 23:20:18 | mcuelenaere | then I'd expect that everything would work as intented (so text would show up ungarbled etc), but it doesn't |
| 23:20:26 | amiconn | And where does the rockbox logo come from? |
| 23:20:31 | mcuelenaere | show_logo() |
| 23:20:47 | mcuelenaere | it's compiled with the bootloader etc (it's in libbitmapsnative.a) |
| 23:21:02 | mcuelenaere | did you see the source code I posted a link to? |
| 23:21:18 | amiconn | Yes, and that code doesn't call show_logo() |
| 23:21:41 | Nico_P | fml: it seems you're right. I guess it's a leftover from when there was a max number of sublines per line |
| 23:21:54 | mcuelenaere | ah sorry, I've commented it out |
| 23:22:06 | mcuelenaere | in the picture, it isn't :) |
| 23:22:25 | mcuelenaere | http://pastebin.com/d2751137 -> this is the interesting part |
| 23:23:38 | fml | Nico_P: I think you're right! :-) |
| 23:24:29 | Nico_P | fml: got a WPS where this causes problems? |
| 23:25:09 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: So either only the first lcd_update() works, or your bitmaps are broken somehow (the ones in libbitmapsnative.a) |
| 23:25:59 | mcuelenaere | mm I'll try a make clean |
| 23:26:22 | amiconn | show_logo() just uses lcd_bitmap() and lcd_update() as your test code does |
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| 23:26:56 | mcuelenaere | aha now it gets more interesting :) |
| 23:27:11 | amiconn | Btw, why is the framebuffer 400x240 when the display area is only 320x240, or am I misunderstanding something again? |
| 23:27:25 | mcuelenaere | no, that's something odd with the OF |
| 23:27:32 | mcuelenaere | the image they included is 320x240 |
| 23:27:37 | amiconn | aha |
| 23:27:37 | mcuelenaere | but the lcd is 400x240 |
| 23:27:55 | mcuelenaere | lcd_set_foreground(LCD_WHITE); lcd_fillrect(50, 0, 100, 100); should draw a white rectangle; right? |
| 23:28:21 | amiconn | It should, provided you're not using an unsuitable drawmode |
| 23:28:39 | mcuelenaere | ah, so I should set the drawmode to solid I presume? |
| 23:28:41 | amiconn | (which you probably don't, since you don't set one anywhere, and the default is DRMODE_SOLID) |
| 23:28:58 | mcuelenaere | I'm going to set it explicitly, just in case ;) |
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| 23:29:34 | fml | Nico_P: no but I think this can lead to hard to explain behaviour in WPS, i.e. part of multiline lines ignored. |
| 23:30:40 | fml | Nico_P: this is very unlikely though since the limits are set quite high |
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| 23:31:07 | mcuelenaere | now I get http://uploadimage.org/images/qxfxi2d2rvligc15gfc0.jpg with http://pastebin.com/de032a09 |
| 23:32:03 | mcuelenaere | so no white rectangle, no text but a partial rockbox logo and another smaller one |
| 23:32:18 | mcuelenaere | + a part of the onda logo is erased |
| 23:33:05 | mcuelenaere | aha I got a clear Rockbox logo now :) |
| 23:33:15 | mcuelenaere | but still no other text/rectangle :( |
| 23:33:15 | bertrik | \o/ |
| 23:33:40 | mcuelenaere | the trick seems to be to switch setting DMA transfer size between 16bit and 16bytes |
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| 23:33:46 | mcuelenaere | from 16bytes to 16bit |
| 23:33:49 | Bagder | mcuelenaere: remember to lcd_update() after the rectangle? |
| 23:33:51 | mcuelenaere | (while in the OF it is 16 bytes) |
| 23:34:20 | mcuelenaere | Bagder: isn't it enough if it's done after show_logo()? |
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| 23:34:38 | amiconn | show_logo() clears the display, so anything drawn before that should be gone |
| 23:35:09 | amiconn | See apss/misc.c, line 987ff |
| 23:35:37 | amiconn | *apps of course |
| 23:35:39 | mcuelenaere | mmm seems like show_logo only accesses half the size of the framebuffer for some reason |
| 23:35:47 | mcuelenaere | hence why half the onda logo is erased |
| 23:36:10 | Bagder | then something is wrong... |
| 23:36:15 | Bagder | lcd_clear_display() is called in there |
| 23:36:21 | gevaerts | Or half-wrong |
| 23:36:54 | mcuelenaere | show_logo() uncommented: http://uploadimage.org/images/n8pvustzbut90stxh.jpg |
| 23:37:05 | mcuelenaere | see that white line? that's the rectangle |
| 23:37:07 | amiconn | Yes, and lcd_clear_display() is now a call to lcd_clear_viewport() with the viewport temporarily set to the default |
| 23:37:19 | mcuelenaere | and the purple pixel dot in the upper left part is the manual setted value |
| 23:38:03 | mcuelenaere | so it looks like lcd-16bit.c only accesses half the framebuffer ?? |
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| 23:38:16 | amiconn | I still suspect lcd_update() |
| 23:38:28 | mcuelenaere | in what way, |
| 23:38:29 | amiconn | Doe sthat transfer the data bottom-up, by chance? |
| 23:38:55 | mcuelenaere | hmm I wouldn't know, I think it is filled from the top right angle |
| 23:39:19 | amiconn | Well, iirc you said it works in the sim |
| 23:39:38 | amiconn | That rules out problems in lcd-16bit.c, and points to target driver problems |
| 23:39:48 | mcuelenaere | lcd_update(): http://pastebin.com/d7fb224b1 |
| 23:39:55 | amiconn | (well, unless there's a datatype size problem on mips) |
| 23:40:01 | mcuelenaere | no no, I didn't say it worked in the sim |
| 23:40:14 | mcuelenaere | there is this program (Image Search Editor) which can display raw lcd data |
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| 23:41:40 | mcuelenaere | what exactly do you mean by transferring the data bottom-up? |
| 23:41:55 | mcuelenaere | like beginning at the end of the framebuffer and going downwards? |
| 23:43:08 | amiconn | Is DTCR in bytes, or in transfer-sized elements? |
| 23:43:20 | mcuelenaere | transfer-sized elements |
| 23:43:52 | mcuelenaere | if I set DMAC_DCMD to DMAC_DCMD_DS_16BYTE I divide DTCR by 8 |
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| 23:44:41 | mcuelenaere | this is some documentation about DMAC: http://pastebin.com/d1ec25a0f |
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| 23:46:21 | mcuelenaere | this is the OF lcd_write() routine: http://pastebin.com/d78460154 |
| 23:47:35 | * | amiconn cannot connect to pastebin atm |
| 23:47:54 | mcuelenaere | pastebin.ca? |
| 23:47:55 | amiconn | ah, back now |
| 23:47:58 | mcuelenaere | k |
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| 23:52:30 | amiconn | This lcd_update_rect() looks fishy. |
| 23:52:45 | mcuelenaere | it is currently a bit of a hack |
| 23:53:17 | amiconn | It calls an lcd_set_target() with just x and y, and then starts transferring data via dma, ignoring the fact that width migh tbe < LCD_WIDTH |
| 23:53:24 | mcuelenaere | lcd_set_target() -> http://pastebin.com/d58fdb516 |
| 23:53:28 | amiconn | ...both at the source and the destination side |
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| 23:54:45 | amiconn | ergh, a function ignoring its arguments... |
| 23:54:48 | mcuelenaere | that could be the problem |
| 23:55:02 | mcuelenaere | yes I know, I set them to the default values because of testing |
| 23:55:07 | mcuelenaere | perhaps I should set it back.. |
| 23:55:40 | lee321987 | <gevaerts> are you here? |
| 23:56:15 | gevaerts | lee321987: yes |
| 23:57:37 | lee321987 | I read your commit −−- "r17997: Don't do overlapping USB transactions and SD writes. This seems to avoid FS #8663 ".... does this mean it may be ok to enable mass storage without using that patch? |
| 23:58:09 | amiconn | hmm |
| 23:58:11 | gevaerts | Well, yes. it _may_ be ok. |
| 23:58:38 | lee321987 | May. Understood. Thank you. |
| 23:59:00 | gevaerts | If you read the tracker, it seems that some people still have problems, so I don't know |
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