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#rockbox log for 2008-07-11

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00:01:48simooHi, the 'Glass N Shadows' theme looks great but is the download corrupt?
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00:03:16amiconngevaerts, bluebrother: The rockbox usb stack is rather flakey on PP. I have it enabled on all my pp502x targets, but often go into the target's diskmode rather than using it
00:04:00XMXHow many developers are on teh rockbox team?
00:04:10stripwaxwe still don't charge at 500ma while connected via usb in rockbox, is that right?
00:04:13amiconnProblems are that it's unusable with my hub, and with the front ports of my linux box, but even without the hub there seem to be bus resets every few seconds, stalling transfers for several seconds
00:04:44PaulJamsimoo: the theme is probably broken unless it was updated within the last two weeks or so.
00:04:46amiconnI didn't experience data corruption from it so far though
00:05:05amiconnstripwax: That's a different problem
00:05:06BagderXMX: ~80 committers, but perhaps ~400 who have contributed
00:05:11stripwaxon my WinXP laptop, it takes forever for windows to recognise it, unlike OF (which may be bus resets, if I knew how to determine them)
00:05:18XMXNice, Badger.
00:05:46stripwaxamiconn - but is it right? if so it might be another reason to not enable it regular builds yet
00:06:08stripwaxmy laptop's side usb ports are probably equivalent to a crappy hub
00:06:31bluebrotherI'd like to see some boot-into-discmode functionality in the bootloaders. Had that with some patch on my mini for quite a while
00:06:34amiconnstripwax: It's *unrelated*, meaning we don't charge at 500mA during usb on several targets, software or hardware usb
00:06:40simooPaulJam: thanks, is that because of changes to Rockbox?
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00:07:16amiconnThat applies to usb power mode as well (possible on sw usb targets without rockbox usb msd)
00:07:26PaulJamsimoo: yes, the wps syntax was changed. see here:
00:07:49simooPaulJam: Cheers :)
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00:10:00gevaertsCharging and USB are only related in the sense that if a device charges over usb, users are probably used to charge and copy files at the same time
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00:10:13stripwaxgevaerts - was just typing the same
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00:10:54stripwaxI didn't realise that hardware usb devices didn't charge at 500ma either, my bad
00:11:13gevaertsThat is an issue to be taken into account when we decide on release features/targets, but it doesn't really matter when trying to fix things
00:11:25stripwaxof course
00:12:04amiconnstripwax: Those with purely hardware controlled charging do (if set to do so; H300), but those which need extra measures (X5, M5) only charge at ~100mA from usb by hardware default
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00:13:17XMXHmmm, I am installing CYGWIN, but when I get to the 'choose download sites' the list is empty, this has never happened before, what url should I use to get GCC compiler and the other requirements?
00:13:18amiconnThe problem on X5+M5 is that the PCF isn't optimal for charging from usb, because it only knows slow charging (programmable limit) and full-power charging (no limit)
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00:16:51amiconnThe latter cannot be used when charging from usb, and slow-charging is *slow* by default. The slow-charging rate can be raised, this must be monitored
00:17:04amiconn^insert "but"
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00:22:14stripwaxXMX - the download locations list should not be empty - sounds like a problem with the cygwin installer. When you say 'never happened before' - you already have it installed?
00:22:25stripwaxfor rockbox downloads you need
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00:23:11stripwaxfor everything else in prerequisites you need to find an appropriate cygwin mirror - if there's nothing in the download locations list see if there's any help or lists available on
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00:23:44stripwaxin fact
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00:27:48stripwaxamiconn - is rockbox better or worse than OF for charging over usb in those cases? I guess by "at 500ma" earlier I really meant "at least as well as OF"
00:27:55amiconnThe 'no limit' statement isn't entirely correct. The PCF does current limiting during fast charge, but the limit isn't programmable, it's defined by an external resistor, and it's set to >1 A
00:28:33amiconnstripwax: The OF is better, since it fiddles with the slow charging rate, and does the necessary monitoring
00:29:27stripwaxI wonder if you could cycle very quickly between fast and slow so that the current draw is ~500ma...
00:29:36stripwaxpeak obviously
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00:30:01amiconnNo you can't
00:30:21stripwaxfair enough!
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00:36:21preglowdap makers should start giving us source code!
00:37:04stripwaxsoon we'll be giving them source code :)
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01:07:37DerPapstlo guys :)
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01:11:52DerPapstjewels can't be quit on ipods with the clickwheel. can someone add "#define JEWELS_CANCEL (BUTTON_MENU|BUTTON_SELECT)" to line 75?
01:12:04DerPapsti'm too lazy to make a patch
01:12:50LloreanYou can't get into the menu with long-select?
01:13:22DerPapstoh... didn't try.. ;)
01:13:45DerPapstah well :P
01:13:50LloreanI was gonna say, I have no problem quitting it on my Nano.
01:14:36pixelmawell, other targets have an additional quit button though
01:14:40DerPapstthough it's not consistent with other plugins ;)
01:14:45XMXDissassembling a iPod and adding a custom case to it with this firmware isn't illegal is it?
01:14:52DerPapstprobably the reason why i'm confused :P
01:15:06Lloreanpixelma: Ah, I've always quit through the menus so I could resume.
01:15:11DerPapstXMX: why should it?
01:15:14LloreanI wasn't even aware there was a different way to leave it.
01:15:15DerPapstit's your ipod
01:15:23DerPapstyou dan do with it whatever you want
01:15:44XMXDerPapst: I don't think it is illegal, but, I just want to make sure, Can't risk getting in trouble over a iPod lol.
01:15:48XMXOk, kool.
01:15:52DerPapstLlorean: normally you quit most plugins with a short press of menu + select
01:16:02XMXI suppose selling it wouldn't be illegal either?
01:16:13XMXAt least not as fas as apple goes....
01:16:27DerPapstXMX: it's yours. you can do with it whatever you want
01:16:32gevaertsXMX: we are not lawyers...
01:16:40markunXMX: btw, here are some nice stats about rockbox
01:16:41DerPapstsell it, smash it... whatever
01:16:48XMXKk, sorry, was making sure lolzzz.
01:16:55LloreanDepends on local laws, though. If it's an iPod, if you do something that could try to claim it's not when you sell it might be problematical.
01:17:47XMXYeah, thanks, Llorean. =]
01:18:06DerPapstLlorean: do you think it would be... "smart" to make jewels consistant with the other plugins?
01:18:17pixelmaDerPapst: if I read correctly, it's not as simply adding that line - because simple "menu" and simple "select" is already used for something else you'd need a pre-condition, right? Maybe the reason why noone bothered doing that there yet
01:18:40pixelmas/simply/simple as
01:18:40DerPapstpixelma: yet. :P
01:18:50PaulJamLlorean: i read your mail about the release and you were also asking about rbutil issues. This is certainly not a bug, but i would guess that most of the themes you can install with it are currently broken. so i was wondering if this feature should be disabled in the release version if the new page isn't up before 3.0.
01:19:34LloreanPaulJam: We've got a plan regarding themes already, I think
01:19:44LloreanThe idea being to create a read-only theme site for 3.0 themes.
01:19:46pixelmaDerPapst: provide the full patch then ;P
01:20:13DerPapsti'd do it but only if i'm not the only one who uses it then ;)
01:20:16PaulJamok, i din't know that.
01:20:18LloreanDerPapst: I'd rather remove quick-quit entirely so it's less likely people lose their games due to a button bump.
01:20:45DerPapstLlorean: the sub-menu provides a resume option ;)
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01:21:03LloreanDerPapst: Does quick-quit save your status?
01:21:38DerPapstno. my suggestion was to replace long select with menu + select :)
01:21:44pixelmaLlorean: but you can quit sudoku to through the menu and through a button, if you do the latter the game will be still saved automatically... ;)
01:22:15*amiconn likes to be able to quick-quit plugins, and hates those which force you to go through a menu
01:22:32Lloreanpixelma: Well as long as the game is saved automatically, I don't mind. But I've never been a fan of one-press-exits for any sort of "game" anyway. Just me, I guess.
01:22:37amiconnjpeg is *the* example how things can become worse...
01:23:18XMXI am horrible with linux! I get this error when configuring my script:' You're running this script in a path that contains space'. Any clue what that is?
01:23:25LloreanI don't mind quick-quit except for games, since you're usually pressing multiple buttons over a period, and it may be easy to accidentally trigger it and either lose progress, or have to wait for a spinup to get back in.
01:24:02*DerPapst agrees with Llorean.
01:24:30pixelmadepends on target, keymap and placement of buttons though, e.g. I don't accidentally press the "off" button on Ondio
01:25:58DerPapstbut easily on iPods. i almsot qutted battleship pretty often during my tests
01:26:01*amiconn thinks it's very unlikely to exit on accident if it's either a distinctively placed button (Ondio), an otherwise special "button" (Power switch on X5/M5), or a combo like on iPods
01:27:16DerPapstif the clickwheel is the cross and select does some kind of action it happens pretty often that you press menu+select together.
01:27:33amiconnIt's a bit more likely on other targets where exit is on a normal button, but I still prefer having that feature, accepting the (still very low) risk of accidental exit
01:28:18Lloreanamiconn: I think a combo is likely enough if they're buttons used in the game.
01:28:33LloreanBut distinctly placed buttons (or hard to do accidentally like switches) are much less likely
01:28:41DerPapstFor some game plugins that might be true but for others (including jewels) i wouldn't reccoment it though
01:28:44amiconnDerPapst: Well, maybe it depends on how you operate it. Normally (i.e. when combos aren't required) I am using my mini one-handed, and that makes it *impossible* to press combos
01:30:05DerPapsti pretty often use both hands for games that use the wheel as a cross.
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01:31:48pixelmanot that jewels is an action game which requires you to press buttons in fast sequence... ;)
01:32:32*amiconn has more problems with the wheel-as-a-cross plugins and button repeat
01:32:43DerPapsttrue... but some like playing action-jewels ;)
01:32:51amiconnI already managed to shut down the mini by scrolling down in a jpeg...
01:33:05amiconn...several times
01:33:09DerPapstheh ;)
01:34:23*pixelma is confused now about whether DerPapst wants menu+select as quick-quit in jewels or not (anymore)
01:34:48*amiconn would like to have that in all plugins on ipods
01:34:53DerPapsti actually never wanted it as quick-quit.
01:35:18DerPapsti wanted to replace long select with menu+select
01:35:47pixelmalong select?
01:36:51stripwaxSeems if I put hold switch on (and then, later, off) in Bubbles [perhaps only when music is playing?], it becomes impossible to exit it. Turning on the ipod 5g hold switch puts Bubbles into 'pause mode', turning off the hold switch does not take it out again. Or at least didn't for me, a few times repeatedly (only solution is soft reboot)
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01:37:25pixelmaaww... now I remember. I think jewels has two menus, right?
01:37:53DerPapstpixelma: you have to press long select to open a menu in jewels to exit it or resume the game, playback controls etc
01:38:07DerPapstpixelma: correct :)
01:38:25advcomp2019n9xvt, hello
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01:38:56n9xvtso i guess ima new rockboxer?
01:38:56stripwaxn9xvt - hello!
01:39:03stripwaxyes, you are
01:39:33n9xvtis there a proper place for qutstions?
01:39:37pixelmaDerPapst: now I see, think I made wrong assumption in the beginning
01:39:54DerPapstn9xvt: here or the forums.
01:40:03DerPapstdecission is up to you :)
01:40:15n9xvti like the live aspect of text chatting,,,
01:40:38scorche|shjust make sure to read the guidelines linked in the topic ;)
01:40:47n9xvtam running a sansa 40,,
01:41:46stripwaxn9xvt - what is the question(s) ?
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01:43:04n9xvtwas reading guidelines,,,srry,,anyway, how often does this get daily builds?and
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01:43:33DerPapstwhenever someone makes a commit there is a new version of rockbox
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01:44:08pixelmabut daily builds are built once a day, hence the name ;)
01:44:15n9xvtwill i have problems if i update the player with sansa's utility,(i had to roll it back)
01:44:29DerPapstare daily builds still available?
01:44:46LloreanDerPapst: Yes, though we tend to refer to them as "archived builds"
01:44:51n9xvtdo i need to update my daily build?
01:45:07DerPapstLlorean: heh. thanks for the information ;)
01:45:14pixelmasure (the last 30), though they are nor recommended unless for testing the bug
01:45:28DerPapstn9xvt: you can update whenever you want
01:45:55*pixelma gives up correcting typos... :\
01:46:11DerPapstbut don't claim it's my fault :P
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01:46:28pixelmathey are, you and your typo school :P
01:47:25pixelman9xvt: I assume you had to downgrade the Sansa firmware to get the MSC mode option in the menu?
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01:49:07n9xvt ound out about this software in an ad on craigs list,,,
01:49:15pixelmahmm... can't tell you anything about the Sansa utility as I have never used it with my c250
01:49:45n9xvtlove it!
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01:50:14n9xvtbest idea i'v seen in portable music players!
01:50:34advcomp2019n9xvt, you do not need the Sansa Media Converter or Sansa firmware updater if that is what you are asking
01:51:14n9xvtok,,yes it was,, i never use the media convert,,,but always update the thing
01:51:47n9xvtso now i need to update the box ware?(rockbox)
01:52:52DerPapstn9xvt: as i already said. you don't have to update rockbox but it's crecommendet to update :)
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02:11:15n9xvtbut yes,,,this software is the best thing scince sliced bread,,,
02:13:04n9xvtif i use the rbu(rockbox utility) will it get/use todays build? (will i loose mi current configurations)?
02:13:34stripwaxYou will get the current build, and you won't lose configurations
02:13:39DerPapstyou won't lose anything
02:13:39MarcGuayn9xvt: It won't overwrite your settings, and it lets you choose what build.
02:14:08n9xvtok,,i searched the faq but didnt see info?
02:15:07stripwaxn9xvt - you might find more info in the Wiki
02:15:20n9xvt(gonna have to print that thing,,,
02:15:50n9xvtthank's for everyones help,,
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03:53:19StimulusHello. I would like some help enabling the I2S outputs on the Gigabeat F dock connector. It appears that GPHDAT bit 8 must be written as a 1 and it now a 0. Would this require a patch, or can bits be changed somehow in Rockbox. Thanks.
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04:05:45safetydanStimulus: that would require a patch
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04:15:25StimulusThanks, safetydan. I will look into creating a patch. The I2S bus outputs would allow connecting to some interesting DAC's such as the Perpetual P-3A and the Twisted Pear Opus and Buffalo. That's why I am interested..
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04:26:50UNHchabo1hey guys, think i may have come across a bug, unless it's been fixed since the last time i updated...
04:27:18scorchewhen reporting bugs, we ask that you test with the current build to be sure of such things
04:27:31UNHchabo1i'll try it out
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04:36:07UNHchabo1alright, the bug's still there in the current build
04:36:12UNHchabo1here's the deal:
04:36:47UNHchabo1I have a song by Motörhead on my Sansa, and if i "Create playlist" from the menus, then it can play fine
04:37:42UNHchabo1but if i make an m3u with VLC, then play the playlist, Rockbox seems to turn the "ö" in the filename into another character
04:38:56UNHchabo1this is fixed if i change the "ö" in the filename to an "o", then create the playlist
04:40:51n9xvti never knew u could do this sorta thing on these players! love mi sansa,,,hated its operating system!
04:41:42UNHchabo1i don't mind it all that much, the main thing for me is that i NEED gapless playback :)
04:41:54n9xvtnow it works like the "mini computer" it truly is!
04:42:24safetydanUNHchabo1: I'm guessing it's a charset encoding issue. Can you have VLC create m3u8 playlists?
04:42:46UNHchabo1does that mean 8-bit character encoding?
04:43:00n9xvti'm not constrained to "playlists" i can play whole directories,,,
04:43:55UNHchabo1VLC offers to save as M3U or XSPF
04:43:56safetydanUNHchabo1: basically the character encoding that VLC is using to generate the playlist does not match the character encoding that you have Rockbox configured to use
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04:45:44UNHchabo1i see
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04:46:14safetydanUNHchabo1: if you go to the settings, general settings -> display -> Default Codepage, what do you see selected?
04:47:51safetydanUNHchabo1: this thread might help
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04:52:16UNHchabosorry, i got kicked off... i hate wifi
04:52:54UNHchaboso, i tried changing my Default Codepage from Latin1 to UTF, and that didn't seem to fix it
04:56:43safetydanDid you see the link to the forum thread?
04:56:56UNHchaboi didn't, sorry
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05:03:12UNHchabowell, besides what's in the forums, all i had to do was reboot after changing the Default Codepage
05:03:17UNHchabothanks, safetydan
05:04:24safetydanUNHchabo: no problem
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05:09:28n9xvti'm no kinda programmer,,,besides cash is there anything i could do to help the cause? maybe put the link (read advertisement) on my web pages?
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05:14:29MarcGuayWhat does the Delta column of the build table refer to?
05:15:07LloreanMarcGuay: Change in binary size and RAM usage
05:15:22MarcGuayIn total?
05:15:25n9xvtthankies for da link,,
05:15:53MarcGuayI'm speaking of the far right column, which doesn't appear to refer to a specific target.
05:16:20MarcGuayExcellent, thanks.
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05:20:56geeki've got a creative zen xtra i'd like to get rockbox on. I'm a little confused- its not on the main page, but on the wiki-i'd like to know if the port is usable, and if i can get the new firmware on with a USB cable (or do i need to get a jtag input/serial cable) to do it?
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05:23:41Lloreangeek: If it's not on the front page then it means that it's still in early enough development that the only real resource for it is the wiki page and the specific people who are doing the work (if any)
05:24:11LloreanFor the Zen Xtra, I don't think there's anything usable at all yet.
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05:36:21n9xvtis there any data on the jack on the sansa players {pin outs}(home modded interface cable)
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05:40:41advcomp2019n9xvt, there is info on the dock port on but i do not know how helpful it would be
05:41:43LloreanIt's probably in the wiki somewhere too
05:47:41advcomp2019n9xvt, Llorean is right there is.. it was easier then i thought to find
06:00:33n9xvtso much reading,,,arrrrrgh lol
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07:15:22Guest46193alrighty guys. I just got me a C240, and i'm stuck in MTP mode.
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07:16:26break-could anybody possibly help with getting this thing into MSC. I checked the user manual, and it tells me theres a USB mode setting on this thing, but there isn't.
07:17:34safetydanbreak-: what version of the firmware is installed?
07:17:42safetydanGo to Settings -> Info to see
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07:18:30safetydanbreak-: and there's definitely no Settings -> USB Mode menu?
07:18:42break-definitely not there
07:19:24amiconn01.01.05 is too new afaik. Only the older OFs have that setting
07:19:45break-i have an E280 as well, but i've been afraid of doing anything to it, it's served me well with teh stock firmware. i just found a steal on a C240 ($15) and it has a microsd slot−−so i threw a 2gb card in there
07:19:58break-backup mp3 player, might as well see what rockbox is all about
07:20:59break-should i grab that?
07:22:12*amiconn doesn't know how to downgrade the OF on Sansa, as he didn't have to do that
07:22:24amiconnOthers should probably know
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07:23:44break-i just updated it, now i have MSC mode!
07:24:15amiconnSo the updater doesn't refuse to downgrade?
07:24:19break-aw fuck
07:24:26break-i think i just screwed myself
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07:24:42break-excuse the language, sorry
07:26:15break-okay, found a fix. somebody has the EXACT same firmware as mine came with...
07:26:33break-i got it, thanks for paying attention to me while i think out loud
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07:29:46break-wow, i'm an idiot. it gives me 3 options on what i can do to get MSC mode right here in the wiki
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07:37:33break-i just downgraded the OF on my sansa C240 through service mode
07:37:49break-when it restarted, the sansa firmware updater crashed
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07:51:45break-holy crap
07:51:48break-rockbox is amazing
07:51:57break-i want this on my E series ASAP
07:52:11break-omfg this is awesome
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08:00:17safetydanbreak-: the manual should answer most of your questions
08:01:14break-playing doom on an mp3 player
08:01:58scorche17 lines in a row...seriously...
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08:02:18scorchebreak-: this is not a social channel...please read the guidelines linked in the topic for this channel
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08:16:15break-this is seriously at least 10x what i expected
08:16:19break-wow, this is AMAZING
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08:45:23B4gderhey ho
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08:46:09Tuplanollawhere can I get linquist? as I am trying to translate rockbox utility and the guide says "edit the resulting *.ts file using "linguist" "?
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08:47:15LloreanIt's just part of Qt I believe
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08:49:46Tuplanollacan't find it from ubuntu repositories
08:50:59zeyep, my /usr/bin/linguist came from my qt4 package
08:51:15Battousaimaybe they package it with qtdesigner?
08:51:26zealso my /usr/qt/3/bin/linguist i guess came with my qt3 one :p
08:55:16Tuplanollanoes, not in qt4-designer nor in qt3-designer
08:57:57*GodEater has a /usr/bin/linguist-qt4 installed on his ubuntu machine
08:59:26Battousaii'd dpkg to find out, but i don't have a deb/ubuntu machine
08:59:49Tuplanollaoh well, qt3-linguist :)
09:00:09Tuplanollaalso in qt4-dev-tools, thanks
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09:33:01break-quick question
09:33:18break-does the C240 support SDHC cards with rockbox?
09:33:25break-i heard the E280 does...
09:33:36break-it does? :P
09:33:48break-8gb will work just fine in theory?
09:34:00LloreanThat's kinda what "it supports SDHC" means...
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09:34:35break-rockbox really makes teh $15 i spent for this thing worth it
09:34:49*GodEater has an 8GB SDHC card working just fine in his C240
09:35:04break-they dont make 16gb microsdhc yet, do they
09:35:11GodEateryes they do
09:35:15break-how much money haha
09:35:30GodEater"more than was justifiable" when I bought my 8GB
09:36:02GodEaterI seem to recall it was about 80GBP
09:36:43GodEaterbear in mind it's a MicroSDHC card you want as well, not just an normal SDHC card.
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09:37:41break-haha ya i know
09:37:44break-i have a 2gb card in it now
09:38:17break-basically 25 after tax for a 3gb mp3 player that views .nfo's and has games on it
09:38:22GodEatermeh, 70GBP at the moment
09:38:38break-about 140usd?
09:39:03GodEaternot really cost effective if you ask me
09:39:09GodEaterdepends how rich you are ;)
09:42:38break-i'm sure you could get an 8gb version of a rockbox compatible player for that price
09:42:49break-E280−−my other mp3 player
09:42:57break-the one i keep losing
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09:55:30TuplanollaGenerated 155 translation(s) (152 finished and 3 unfinished) yeah, it's gonna be ready soon :p
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09:57:34ThibGHm... Error: address offset too large −− `strh r1,[r0,#320]'
09:57:52ThibGHow can I do to store r1 at r0+320?
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10:10:45LearMove 320 to a register, then use [r0, rx]? Just guessing, haven't written any arm code...
10:16:20ThibGhum, I'll try adding 320 directly to r0
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10:16:32ThibGbut I'll to substract after :s
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10:29:18ThibGIt works :)
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10:35:16Gartralhi all
10:35:38Gartralwhere can i get a replacement cable for my sansa?
10:37:08Gartraltoo much, im not spending 10 plus shipping
10:37:38shadoxxdoes sandisk's website sell them?
10:37:53Gartraldunno, brb
10:38:02shadoxxlol. sleep time for me
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10:43:01Gartralnone in house made, none under 20
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10:45:26advcomp2019i found some for $5 with free shipping
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11:00:00crwllhey, does someone know what does it indicate when h120 doesn't charge, only blinks the charge led? a battery problem?
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11:06:37markuncrwll: I think I had that when I bought an ipod battery for my h120 and connected it with reversed polatiry.
11:07:14preglowmarkun: nice :P
11:07:24crwllthis is an 3rd party ipod battery (2300 mAh IIRC), but it's worked just fine for 2-3 years
11:07:37crwllwell, maybe it's time to buy a new one
11:08:23crwllthe battery is be functioning, voltage is at about 3.9V but it just doesn't charge anymore
11:08:41markunpreglow: luckily it didn't break anything :)
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11:37:38crwllwas there a page somewhere giving details on suitable batteries for the h100 series players?
11:38:40crwllah, there are tons of replacement batteries on ebay
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13:22:55LearNico_P: That buffering bug may be a bit more common, but not always trigger a data abort.
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14:04:20LearNico_P: Now I really do think I've found it. If you do a reset_handle after having read a bit, the handle will be moved forward (the read bit) when buffering starts again. When moved, h->data will be updated but h->widx will *not*. Thus, the next read for that handle can overwrite the handle.
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14:05:27LearI think resetting ridx in reset_handle is the way to go. This should fix this particular bug, but I think it could be a good idea to add some check to the "only move the handle struct" case in shrink_handle too.
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14:10:34moosLear: always nice to see fresh blood on the playback/buffering front :)
14:10:52mooscongrates for your spot
14:16:23Nico_PLear: interesting, I'm looking
14:23:24Nico_PLear: I see what you mean about adding the check in the else case of shrink_handle (something to make sure widx is still "after" data), but I'm not sure about what you mean with resetting ridx in reset_handle
14:24:51LearNico_P: That prevents move_handle from moving the handle (which is pointless in this case).
14:25:30Nico_Pyes that's what I assumed
14:25:43Nico_Pare you sure it's pointless?
14:27:01Nico_Phmm I guess it is, yeah
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14:29:40LearThis probably means the "h->ridx = h->data;" bit in rebuffer_handle isn't needed any more. So the crash only happened if there was a Q_START_FILL queued up right after Q_RESET_HANDLE, thus ridx was reset too late.
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14:31:48LearBtw, I did suspected move_handle did something wrong because of incorrect data...
14:32:38Nico_Pwhat do you mean?
14:33:05LearAbout what? :)
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14:33:29Nico_Pabout move_handle
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14:37:32LearSorry, really meant shrink_handle.So it called move_handle when it shouldn't, due to ridx not being reset.
14:38:13Nico_Pah, right
14:38:56Nico_PI'm trying to remember why the ridx resetting comes so late instead of being done in reset_handle as you suggest
14:39:30LearAnyway, I think I'll commit this, with the fix for fill_buffer too.
14:40:00Nico_Pno added mutex locks though?
14:42:31LearNope. The fix is basically moving "h->ridx = h->data;" from one place to another.
14:44:42Nico_Pwell, many thanks for looking into the code :)
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15:55:02agaffneyso...what might cause my sansa e260 v1 to start freezing up at random points?
15:55:09agaffneythe last few days, it keeps locking up on me
15:55:17agaffneyusually mid-song
15:55:26agaffneyI can only turn it off by holding down the power button for 10s
15:56:46Tuplanollarockbox version?
15:56:47LambdaCalculus37What SVN build are you using?
15:56:57LambdaCalculus37Go to System > Rockbox Info to find out.
15:58:02agaffneyit did this once when I first installed it about a month ago
15:58:09agaffneyand then it's been well behaved until the other day
15:58:35agaffneyand nothing's changed on it recently
15:59:00PaulJamthe build is quite old. please only report problems with the most recent revision.
15:59:20PaulJamcurrent revision is r18009
15:59:29LambdaCalculus37Go and update your build.
15:59:36agaffneyyeah, yeah...I guess I'll update
16:03:15agaffneyok, updated
16:03:21agaffneyI guess I'll just let it play for a while and see what happens
16:03:56LambdaCalculus37Also, what kinds of music files are you trying to play?
16:04:03LambdaCalculus37Vorbis? MP3? FLAC?
16:05:45PaulJamand if the problems really started without having changed anything in rockbox, doing a check of the filesystem wouldn't be a bad idea (on windows with chkdsk).
16:06:22LambdaCalculus37PaulJam: Make that chkdsk /f. ;)
16:07:14PaulJameven "chkdsk Driveletter: /f"
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16:18:57agaffneyLambdaCalculus37: MP3
16:21:06agaffneyPaulJam: that would require having an actual windows box (not just a VM)
16:21:20agaffneyusb passthrough with vmware is a pita in linux :P
16:22:20TuplanollaGenerated 425 translation(s) (425 finished and 0 unfinished) yeah
16:22:43PaulJamwell, there are also linux tools to check the filesysten.
16:24:34agaffneyyep, fsck.vfat
16:24:58agaffneywhat you said just implied that it needed to be done with windows
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16:26:06PaulJamsorry, that was a little bit unclear then. on linux fsck.vfat should work too.
16:27:15agaffneyit's on song 9 now and still going with the new build
16:27:31agaffneyI'll let it go a bit longer and then check the filesystem
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16:36:55elvalecitahello! i have a n odd question about the md5sumplugin. How can I stop the process? I entered the plugin without actually wanting to, and then while trying to return to the menu, it started doing somenthing . it says:"output file: /everything.md5.sum"
16:37:19elvalecitathe thing is it still has like 10000 to go, and that could take hours
16:37:41elvalecitai already tried pluging it to the computer, can anyone help me?
16:37:45PaulJamcurrently the only way is to shutdown the player
16:38:11elvalecitaby hard resetting?
16:38:12PaulJamwhat player do you have?
16:38:33elvalecitao right, sorry, i forgot: Ipod 5.5 30g
16:38:42PaulJamnormal shutdown should work. but if it doesn't then do a reset.
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16:39:27elvalecitareset worked thanks!
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16:42:54PaulJamdionoea: will you implement a button to abort the md5sum generation anytime soon, or should a bugreport be opened for that issue.
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17:00:46PaulJamhmm, the FLAC decoder in rockbox seems to handle incomplete files (that were just cut in the middle) not very nice. it produces an unpleasant noise instead of just skipping to the next file.
17:02:28Nico_PPaulJam: anything to do with FS #9137 ?
17:04:24PaulJamNico_P: yes, indirectly. the bug in FS #9137 seems to cause that the file is only buffered incompletely and triggers this noise that way.
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17:08:15PaulJamNico_P: at least the comments in the code in buffering.c say that the file gets truncated: /* Try to recover by truncating this file */ (that comment is in the same part of the code that produces the "buf alloc short" logf message)
17:08:49Nico_Pthat's an area I'm not familiar with... I'll look
17:09:11PaulJamoh, i thought you wrote it.
17:09:47Nico_Pah, right. I have, sorry
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17:09:58Nico_Pforgot about that comment :p
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17:20:38Nico_PPaulJam: I'm going home for now, but I'll try to spend some time tracing that one down
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17:21:21LambdaCalculus37Question... I want to give my Archos JBRv1 an updated build and flash it. Since I have to compile and don't want the database, I'd like to exclude it from the build. Where can I go to exclude the database in a build? (I'm guessing it's a SOURCES file somewhere...)
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17:22:21*domonoky would suspect its a Define in the config file, but i am not sure..
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17:24:12PaulJamprobably #define HAVE_TAGCACHE in the config-<target>.h
17:25:46LambdaCalculus37PaulJam: Thanks!
17:27:35LambdaCalculus37For some insane reason, I only have 0.429MB of buffer free on it currently, and that's when music isn't being played!
17:27:47LambdaCalculus37Although I chalk it up to a faulty flashing.
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17:29:16PaulJamwhat is the opinion about the behaviour of the flac decoder with truncated files? i mean you aren't supposed to try to play broken files, but i still think this should be handled i a nicer way. should i open a bugreport for that?
17:31:21geek_LambdaCalculus37: hmm, weren't you the one who mentioned working on a zen xtra/zen/dell jukebox port?
17:32:17LambdaCalculus37geek_: Yes, I did. But I haven't had any time to sit down with it lately, plus my Dell DJ is pretty much in pieces and dead, so I need to get another one.
17:32:25amiconnPaulJam: What's the problem? Back when I had some broken flac files (due to glitchy linux usb), it just skipped to the next file at the point of error...
17:33:50geek_LambdaCalculus37: ahh, i got a zen xtra lying around, it needs some minor repairs, but i figured i might be able to get some info about it if needed
17:34:51PaulJamamiconn: for me it outputs noise. i can send you an example file.
17:35:12LambdaCalculus37geek_: That's great! If you want to tear it open and start with hardware information and scans, please do so and post it to the wiki.
17:35:26LambdaCalculus37Also, download a firmware update and see how the firmware update process works.
17:35:41LambdaCalculus37Are you registered on the wiki?
17:36:32geek_LambdaCalculus37: i'm fairly familar with the firmware update process. tearing it open and scanning it will be an issue, i have no scanner, and the repairs involve resoldering and hotglueing. i only started lookin into this a few days back when i got my ipod ;p
17:36:41mcuelenaereLambdaCalculus37, geek_: I suspect the firmware update will be either similar to the ZVM or using NJB
17:37:21LambdaCalculus37mcuelenare: Most of the early ZEN devices were very similar in that aspect, and the Dell DJ is no exception.
17:37:38LambdaCalculus37The problem is that I have no working hardware anymore, and unfortunately little time to myself to really work on it. :/
17:38:16geek_mcuelenaere: from what i recall you put it in recovery mode, then use a 'installer' on the host to push it in. the silly thing kept having wierd issues with playlists and that fixed it
17:38:49mcuelenaereyes ok, that's how it works in general; but we need to figure out what protocol it's running :)
17:38:54geek_i do have my hands on the most recent firmware update, i just need to solder te power input on again
17:39:01mcuelenaeregeek_: does the Zen Xtra also uses MTP?
17:39:03geek_mcuelenaere: how do i do that ? ;p
17:39:16geek_mcuelenaere: yup.
17:39:25mcuelenaereah ok then it should be similar to what's already in SVN
17:39:35geek_its basically the zen with a larger screen
17:40:22LambdaCalculus37geek_: Can you see what family of TMS320 CPU/DSP the Zen Xtra uses?
17:40:56LambdaCalculus37The Dell DJ uses a TMS320DA255, and datasheets for it are a little hard to come by.
17:41:09geek_LambdaCalculus37: i'll need to have it fixed first.. do i need to look in it, or get it off the chip itself?
17:41:31LambdaCalculus37geek_: The chip should be labeled.
17:41:46geek_(just for the record, it has a broken power input, i will probably get it fixed next week.. i'll be able to check then i suspect)
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17:42:10LambdaCalculus37While it's broken, you can at least document the chipset on it.
17:42:27LambdaCalculus37geek_: By the way, you didn't answer if you're registered on the wiki or not. ;)
17:42:39geek_LambdaCalculus37: its fixably broken and no
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17:42:54geek_i quite literally stumbled on this this morning ;p
17:43:21mcuelenaeregeek_: have you already tried extracting the firmware with zenutils/CreativeWizard?
17:43:42mcuelenaerehmm I could do it myself actually :)
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17:43:54LambdaCalculus37geek_: Register on the wiki, and let me know when you're done so I can give you write access.
17:44:14geek_mcuelenaere: nope, not yey
17:45:12mcuelenaeregeek_: does the Zen Xtra have firmware updates?
17:45:39geek_mcuelenaere: yup, i think i got the most recent one off the creative website
17:45:53mcuelenaeregeek_: I can't seem to find it on the US one
17:46:00geek_LambdaCalculus37: i'm on as RaviMohan
17:46:06LambdaCalculus37I found one:
17:46:10geek_mcuelenaere: i'm on the singapore one ;p
17:46:14LambdaCalculus37geek_: Okay, let me set you up.
17:46:18geek_LambdaCalculus37: the PFS one is bad
17:46:49geek_one moment
17:47:08mcuelenaereah missed a link
17:47:28geek_don't use the PFS ones ;p
17:48:27mcuelenaerewhat's the major difference between PFS and non-PFS?
17:48:50geek_PFS is plays for sure, it supports DRM, and has a tendancy to brick players
17:49:21LambdaCalculus37geek_: You have write access, but I don't see you as having registered for the wiki.
17:49:28*mcuelenaere wonders why zook's zenutils aren't in SVN..
17:49:40geek_LambdaCalculus37: waiting for the confirmation mail
17:50:18geek_ could you see if this works?
17:50:40geek_thats the non PFS firmware for the creative zen xtra
17:50:51mcuelenaereI already downloaded both ;)
17:51:12geek_mcuelenaere: its apparently kinda hidden, wikipedia says it isn't there ;p
17:52:19geek_oh shit
17:52:27geek_i mispelled my e mail ><
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17:54:10geek_LambdaCalculus37: er, could you remove write permissions? i'd better do this when i'm more awake ><
17:54:16mcuelenaerethe firmware contains the standard FBOOT & FRESC
17:54:38geek_thats good?
17:54:41domonokyhi krz, have you seen FS #9179 ? it fixes compiling of the wps editor on linux ..
17:54:45LambdaCalculus37geek_: Done.
17:54:52mcuelenaerehmm the PFS contains an extra file in flash
17:55:11geek_LambdaCalculus37: thanks, i'll look at re-registering in the morning, and i'll let someone know
17:55:19krzhi, yes, i saw, but haven't applied yet
17:55:23geek_mcuelenaere: yeah, probably for encrypting and decrypting
17:55:37domonokykrz: about the progress reports: you can also use the wiki, instead of the mailing list. But we need at least weekly reports
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17:56:09krzsure, if you need
17:56:44domonokykrz: how is the code cleanup going ? ( we should also rename some things. ie Proxy to rbwpslib. Gui -> wpseditor... )
17:57:40krzwhat else should be renamed? to make it in one step..
17:58:55domonokykrz: just try to make sensible names.. so mainwindowimpl.cpp/h should also be renamed.. and maybe some other files..
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17:59:18mcuelenaeregeek_: I decrypted most of the files succesfully
17:59:29krzhow should be mainwindowimpl renamed?
18:00:37domonokymainwindowimpl contains the wps editor gui, so maybe wpseditorwindow ?
18:00:59domonokyor just wpseditor.cpp/h
18:02:06domonokyabout your svn problems: someone suggested to use a shh Tunnel with putty to another machine which can access svn. Do you know putty ?
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18:02:24geek_mcuelenaere: er. i mean the additional file is for decrypting pfs= play for sure, which is some microsoft DRM thing ;p
18:02:35yonkeltroncheck this out:">
18:03:03LambdaCalculus37mcuelenaere: On your most recent commit... can you explain zenutils a bit?
18:04:28pixelmaand is zook's real name known?
18:04:46LambdaCalculus37pixelma: IIRC his real name is Rasmus Ry.
18:05:13mcuelenaereLambdaCalculus37: it is used to extract firmwares from updaters and to split it into pieces
18:05:27mcuelenaere(updaters meaning .exe and firmware meaning nk.bin)
18:05:40mcuelenaeresee CreativeZVMPort for some info
18:06:00mcuelenaereparticulary this part: CreativeZVMPort#Firmware_Format
18:06:13pixelmashouldn't he be in CREDITS then? ;)
18:06:22mcuelenaereah yes :)
18:06:35mcuelenaereproblem is: I never knew his name
18:06:45LambdaCalculus37mcuelenaere: Let me make sure.
18:06:47mcuelenaereI think I found it at google, but I'm not sure
18:06:53mcuelenaereand he isn't available anymore :(
18:06:57*LambdaCalculus37 checks IrcNicks
18:07:01mcuelenaerehe's gone since like several years
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18:07:11mcuelenaereI'm not sure if he ever was on IRC
18:07:20LambdaCalculus37He's not listed
18:07:44LambdaCalculus37But there was a Rasmus Ry who has done several edits to the Creative-related wiki pages, usually after discussion on the forums.
18:07:46yonkeltronLambdaCalculus37: w00t!
18:08:04mcuelenaereLambdaCalculus37: yes indeed, I think that's him
18:08:29LambdaCalculus37mcuelenaere: Add him to the credits, then. ;)
18:09:03mcuelenaere"svn log"
18:10:03domonokycan someone make my student (krz) a account on a machine which is always online ? so he can use it to ssh to it and then use svn ?
18:12:03domonokyalso i need someone who can help him setting up this tunnel with putty (i tried it yesterday myself and failed) :-)
18:12:27krzjup :)
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18:17:09linuxstbdomonoky: Didn't scorche|sh / scorche volunteer for that?
18:20:21domonokykrz: so shh does not work ? any more errors ?
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18:20:56domonokyit seems your internet provider restrictiv...
18:21:01krzport 22?
18:21:10domonokyyes, ssh is on port 22
18:21:31krzseems it is not working for me
18:22:11domonokybad... so we really need to ask our swedes if they could allow svn via http.
18:22:43mcuelenaereisn't it possible to do ssh on other ports?
18:23:14krzso, why can we have a mirror on
18:23:58domonokykrz, because its difficult to keep a mirror in sync ? especially if you can commit to both..
18:24:38domonokyshh on other ports could be possible. can someone configure his machine so ssh listens on port 80 ? so he can try if this works...
18:26:57domonokyso i hope we get this problem resolved either way till in a few days. Till then you can work on cleaning up the code :-)
18:27:22linuxstbkrz: Is it normal for ISPs in your part of the world to be so restrictive?
18:28:11krzso, i don't know, may be this is provider, are somethiing with internet connection
18:28:38linuxstbAre you sure it's not a local firewall on your PC, or similar?
18:29:42krznope. may be firewall on router(a smth else?) cos , my PC is connected to the network to have access to internet
18:31:20Nico_Pmcuelenaere: what are the zenutils for?
18:31:21domonokykrz: is there some network administrator for your network ? maybe you could ask him.
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18:31:26mcuelenaerekrz, domonoky: try ssh'ing on port 80
18:31:37mcuelenaere(not sure whether my router forwarding is set correctly)
18:32:06gevaertsmcuelenaere: telenet? If so, don't they block any <1024 incoming ports?
18:32:07mcuelenaereNico_P: I committed this just now as I though it was already a long time ago in SVN; it's for editing firmwares from the Creative Zen line
18:32:18mcuelenaeregevaerts: ah, yes that's true
18:32:24mcuelenaeredomonoky, krz: never mind then
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18:33:36krzmcuelenaere: seems to work =)
18:33:52mcuelenaerehuh? can't be true; I just removed the forward and shut down sshd :)
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18:35:45krzmcuelenaere: but there is no "network error" as it was before
18:36:19mcuelenaereweird, still I'm sure you won't get a connection
18:37:03domonokykrz, we will try to set up an account for you one some machine in the next days, then you can test again :-)
18:37:10krzso there is a black window with no erres. just empty window
18:37:23domonokykrz, so if you have to leave, i will wave goodbye :-)
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18:45:35preglowwhen translating lang files, does it make sense to also translate button names? i'm thinking it might be better to keep them the same as in the manual, which is engklish
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18:50:42preglowalso, someone please decide what to do with "study mode" before we release :>
18:51:26preglow"study increment"
18:51:29preglowsweet lord, how little sense that makes
18:51:32pixelmain the German language file they weren't (except one which I changed back recently), most other languages don't translate it either except svenska, if I remember correctly
18:51:59preglowpixelma: i think i'll change the norwegian one to not translate them as well, then
18:53:12pixelmapreglow: haha, yeah, that's what I came across at devcon too and I even asked a native speaker there (Llorean) and he said that wouldn't make sense to him... but in the end it lead to an interesting idea, I still think
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18:55:01pixelmahaving a setting "skip length" instead of "study mode plus subsettings" which defaults to "track" and then there are certain time values you could chose from. That would also make it more clear that one changes the skip behaviour
18:58:44preglowpixelma: that's exactly what i've been saying for the last month...
18:58:58preglowno, more
18:59:06preglowsomeone should just implement that
18:59:09preglowsomeone not me :>@
18:59:42*pixelma looks around for "someone" again... nope, not there...
18:59:51*gevaerts is not here
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19:01:23pixelmapreglow: I already wondered whether "study increment" has to do with the time you spend at uni, or so :)
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19:11:07LambdaCalculus37Hmmm... trying to build rombox for the JBRv1; what options do I give tools/configure?
19:13:26pixelmabuild a normal build (with HAVE_TAGCACHE commented out) and it should automatically generate a rombox.ucl too in the build zip (see the Player and OndioSP builds where it still fits with the database)
19:13:50Nico_PLambdaCalculus37: it's n.1 I think
19:15:40LambdaCalculus37pixelma: I did comment out #define HAVE_TAGCACHE in firmware/export/config-recorder.h, but when I compiled the build, I didn't get a rombox.ucl.
19:16:21pixelmain the zip?
19:16:22LambdaCalculus37As long as /* comment */ is a valid way of commenting.
19:16:31LambdaCalculus37Nope. Just a rockbox.ucl file.
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19:17:50pixelmathat's also what the RomBox wiki says which was recently updated by TomCole, but I try too
19:18:22pixelmais it a v1 Recorder or v2?
19:20:56*LambdaCalculus37 tries again, this time making sure to pipe all output from the compiler to a text file
19:21:35pixelmathat wiki page doesn't say that you don't need this if you have an OndioSP or a Player/Studio though, would need to find a nice explanation...
19:22:47pixelmaor better "as long as a zip from an unaltered source contains the rombox.ucl". Who know when the next rombox breaks :\
19:23:32pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: hmm, if I didn't make a mistake, it is still too big
19:23:59LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Interesting that I just received a yellow when building... "error: firmware image is 225746 bytes while max size is 204800!" "Image too big, making a compressed version!"
19:24:12pixelmayeah, got that too
19:24:54*gevaerts points LambdaCalculus37 to "script"
19:27:42*LambdaCalculus37 makes a teeny, tiny fix to config-recorder.h, then starts building again and crosses his fingers
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19:28:40pixelmawith the database, the firmware image is 252906 bytes, so I did comment it out correctly...
19:29:36LambdaCalculus37So why is it saying that it's still too big?
19:30:33LambdaCalculus37And for that matter, why in Eris am I still seeing tagnavi.config and database.ignore files?
19:36:28pixelmawell, either it got too big even without database or the ifdef HAVE_TAGCACHE wasn't used in all places
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19:36:28pixelmaI think
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19:36:28LambdaCalculus37pixelma: I have an ajbrec.ajz file that's 151990 bytes long, and my rockbox.ucl file is 150855 bytes long.
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19:36:28LambdaCalculus37That _does_ sound like it must not have included the database, but I'm not 100% sure.
19:38:55pixelmaif I remember correctly, the rockbox.bin is what matters (the ucl files are already compressed)
19:38:56bluebrotherhmm. Do we really want binaries like those for zenutils in svn?
19:41:29*bluebrother wasn't too fond the time we got binary dlls in svn either
19:46:06amiconnLambdaCalculus37: This isn't a yellow, it's normal
19:46:26amiconnDon't get confused by the various images and limits
19:46:51amiconn...and compressed/uncompressed variants
19:47:05LambdaCalculus37amiconn: But is that message normal?
19:47:24amiconnIt doesn't cause yellow when building. Check the recorder build logs
19:47:26pixelma"normal" when he wants to get a rombox.ucl by commenting out "HAVE_TAGCACHE"
19:47:40amiconnrombox != ajbrec.ajz
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19:48:11amiconnThe limit for ajbrec.ajz on player and recorder v1 is 200KB (arbitrary limit imposed by the archos loader
19:48:32pixelmabtw. I don't get a rombox.ucl either
19:48:33LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Yes, I understand that. But what is causing rombox.ucl to not be built?
19:48:34amiconnThe limit for rombox, however, is 232KB (player), resp 228KB (all other archoses)
19:49:13amiconnRombox is long gone for recv1. Only Ondio SP and Player still have it.
19:49:48LambdaCalculus37Wow, I'm really behind the times, aren't I? :P
19:50:05LambdaCalculus37amiconn: So I shouldn't be going nuts trying to build it then?
19:50:15pixelmaif you comment out HAVE_TAGCACHE then the rockbox.bin is 225.712 Bytes and so rombox.ucl should build, or?
19:51:00pixelmathat's why this define was introduced...
19:51:06amiconnAh, commenting out tagcache. SOmething I wouldn't do, but wel...
19:51:35pixelmathat's what the discussion was about...
19:51:36amiconnLambdaCalculus37: Are you running 'make' or just 'make bin' by chance?
19:51:50LambdaCalculus37amiconn: I'm running 'make && make zip'.
19:51:55*pixelma ran "make && make zip"
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19:55:39scorchedomonoky: still need me to set him up with a shell account?
19:55:50amiconnLambdaCalculus37: Rombox building was disabled in configure, in order to avoid an error message.
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19:56:55amiconnUncomment line 784 in configure (#archosrom="$pwd/rombox.ucl"), reconfigure and try again
19:57:02domonokyscorche: jup would be good.
19:57:21scorchedomonoky: do i see correctly that he was having issues with port 22?
19:57:45domonokycould you set up ssh on port 80 ?
19:58:07gevaertsYou mean instead f the forums?
19:58:13scorche443 would probably be better....
19:58:30scorcheport 80 on that box is pretty busy ;)
19:58:34LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Thanks; will try that.
19:59:01pixelmahmm... should have been mentioned on the RomBox page too
19:59:17scorchethose pages are ancient...
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19:59:37pixelmathey were reworked recently
19:59:46domonokyscorche: sure we can try if it works on port 443 for him.
20:00:14LambdaCalculus37pixelma: I had to do a little further reworking to the BootBox page to reflect the menu layout.
20:00:23amiconnThat wasn't difficult to track down, following the Makefile targets...
20:00:30pixelmascorche: probably not fully yet
20:00:38scorchepixelma: ah
20:00:49*scorche is a big fan of people that rework the wiki
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20:01:30scorchedomonoky: alright...let me do a few RL things, and i will then see about moving ssh to 443, vmware image, and other rockbox stuff
20:01:32pixelmaTomCole is the one providing the 2.5.1 build, if I remember corrctly
20:01:36pixelmacorrectly too
20:01:39LambdaCalculus37amiconn: When did rombox stop being included with default builds.
20:01:59domonokyscorche: sure, no hurry, student is offline at moment :-)
20:02:08pixelmalong time ago - since the build table is green for them again
20:02:14amiconnLambdaCalculus37: It was included as long as it did fit
20:02:33scorchedomonoky: i hadnt seen him in IRC since he was trying to get selected ;)
20:02:39amiconnThe explicit disabling happened later, to avoid an error message in the log and speed up building a little
20:03:00amiconnFor Player and Ondio SP, rombox is still included, and works
20:03:33domonokyhe was here a few hours ago. And i will move all my talk with him to irc :-) So i hope you will see him more often...
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20:08:39bluebrotherdomonoky: what's his usual time of activity?
20:09:38*LambdaCalculus37 updates the RomBox wiki page
20:10:47domonokyi mostly goes offline at 19 or 20'oClock (gmt +2), when he normaly comes online, i dont know
20:10:57domonokys/i/he :-)
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20:15:57pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: while you're at it, could you mention that building your own is not necessary for the OndioSP and the Player yet (as long as a rombox.ucl is in the zip you can download)?
20:16:11pixelmaor something like that
20:16:59LambdaCalculus37pixelma: I did... see the Special Notes.
20:18:41pixelmabut it is wrong because of the OndioFM, and I would have expected it right under "Building your own"...
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20:19:36pixelmabut didn't find a nice way to put things yet, otherwise I would have edited myself
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20:32:03pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: thanks, do you see a way to describe it more generically (in case the next rombox breaks, maybe for the OndioSP)?
20:32:24pixelmamaybe it's clear enough now though...
20:33:23LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Actually, it's very clear now.
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20:42:37mcuelenaerebluebrother: I just committed everything which was in the zip file, I can delete those binaries if you want.. and about the DLL: I added that one because I thought building it would be rather difficult for some people as it requires VS2005..
20:44:31bluebrothermcuelenaere: well, it might be just me feeling somewhat strange with binaries in svn. But one could argue that we now also should put other binaries there ...
20:44:46bluebrothermaybe it makes sense to discuss this with some more people ;-)
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20:49:20kevincliftI have a quick question regarding the wps screen for anyone with a second to spare - I'm trying to fix my theme (glassnshadows) to work with newer releases.
20:49:46GodEater_just ask the questions, there's no need to "introduce" it
20:50:15kevincliftdo the images, such as battery volume, etc. have to be done in multiple image bmp's now
20:50:39GodEater_I don't think they "have" to be
20:50:43GodEater_it's just a choice you have
20:51:06mcuelenaerebluebrother: I'll delete the zenutils binaries anyway, those aren't that important (people can compile them easily)
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20:51:35kevinclifthmm, then I'm stumped as to why my wps won't work - have some of the tags changed in the last 3 months or so?
20:52:29kevincliftaccording to the wps faq, all the tags that i'm using are working
20:53:32PaulJamkevinclift: %P and %pb were merged into a single %pb tag and %m was removed
20:53:37pixelmayes, the %pb tag changed (new syntax is explained on the CustomWPS page) and the margin tag was removed - this topic has been covered in the forums a few times already
20:54:14kevincliftsorry, I've been out of country for a couple of wks, and haven't had a chance to get caught up
20:54:33kevincliftI will hit the forum then. thanks for your patience
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21:34:22amiconnSince when does the frontpage script cut long file lists?
21:35:29bertrikI think it already did that when the license was updated during the devcon weekend
21:36:03*amiconn would prefer it to not do that, at least not in the longer version of the list... :/
21:37:02pixelmayes, it was added for the licence change, for the +1000 files
21:38:01pixelmayou can still see the complete list if you look at the revision on its own
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21:54:42amiconnRomBox is still outdated...
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21:58:13LambdaCalculus37amiconn: The wiki page? I'll have another look at it later.
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21:59:17amiconn1st paragraph: "The first (alternate) firmware is usually the original Archos firmware." <= This was true during the early days of archos flashing, but it was later replaced by bootbox, for 2 reasons
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22:07:18bertrikWhat key is most commonly used in rockbox for the context menu?
22:07:38bertrikI'm asking because this seems to be different between sansa c200 and e200
22:08:03LloreanThe c200 has less keys, so needed a more unique keymap.
22:08:16LloreanWell, less "usable" keys for normal navigation, due to the position of the volume button.s
22:08:36LloreanIt has no scroll wheel, but has those instead, which really can't be used effectively as a substitute.
22:10:43bertrikok, the difference I see is that on e200, a long press on the center button summons the context menu, both in the menu and in the WPS. On the c200, it summons the context menu in the menus, but a long press in the WPS does not
22:11:47bertrik(on c200, the down button is used to summon the context menu while in WPS)
22:16:04pixelmawell yes, you could also add your thoughts (and maybe patches) to FS #8824 ;)
22:17:09bertrikthanks, I'll have a look at that
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22:19:09pixelmait's not easy to deal with this button layout, it's a bit of a bit since there are quite a few buttons - but as Llorean mentioned the placement of the buttons are not ideal
22:19:51pixelmaerrr... the latter "bit" should have been a "pity"
22:21:03bertrikright.. :P
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22:27:44bertrikBasically the difference between c200 and e200 is just the wheel / volume control, so IMO there should be no difference between c200 and e200 with respect to the other buttons.
22:28:32bertrikI'm a bit surprised to see that long power is a key too. This may explain that I got stuck in the recording screen :)
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22:29:53Lloreanbertrik: There's a hole in your logic: If the wheel is missing, its functions need to go somewhere... which means other buttons need to be displaced, etc.
22:31:15pixelmabertrik: would you like to use the volume buttons to move up or down in a list?
22:31:42bertrikok true, I should have said 'no difference as far as possible'
22:31:49bertrikpixelma, no
22:32:11pixelmaunfortunately this makes a big difference
22:32:23bertrikthere's no need for the context menu key to be different as far as I can see
22:32:56pixelmaprobably not in the WPS yes
22:33:24mcuelenaerehmm there's seems to be something rather weird with my lcd driver
22:33:42mcuelenaeredo some settings/values need to be set when porting a new lcd to lcd-16bit.c?
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22:37:04pixelmabertrik: another example, in the recording screen it might be possible too but I find it a bit "dangerous" because a short select also starts a recording (and there are two ways of starting a recording, has to do with file split or so, IIRC. Maybe this could be solved differently though...
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22:42:33bertrikpixelma, ok. I actually agree with most of the changes in the patch (I wasn't even aware that rec + other key could be a valid combo)
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22:44:51pixelmathe reason I put it in the tracker is that I'm not satisfied with some things of it myself and was out of ideas, I hoped to get some of others but it seems that didn't work
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22:50:59bertrikYeah, it would be a pity to have that patch linger on forever in the tracker.
22:51:34faemiripods really don't go flat gracefully.
22:51:43faemirMine was just trying to boot
22:51:45faemirin a loop
22:51:53bertrikUnfortunately I'm not very familiar myself with the functions in some of the menu's like recording and the virtual keyboard
22:57:44mcuelenaeredoes anyone recognize this behaviour?
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22:58:01mcuelenaereI can provide only provide a binary for the onda logo (no BMP)
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23:00:33fmlNico_P and other wps_parser guys: ping
23:01:22fmlI'll shoot right away: shouldn't wps_parser: 1222 fail instead of skipping to the end of line?
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23:07:34amiconnmcuelenaere: Just the image doesn't tell much, but it looks like some update window/ update direction problem
23:08:26amiconnmcuelenaere: Btw, got anywhere wrt the colour bit packing?
23:08:31mcuelenaereAFAIK the Rockbox logo is displayed as it would be at half the width
23:08:39mcuelenaerethe colour bit packing seems to be 5-6-5 :)
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23:09:17amiconnOh, so what caused the weird colour blocks in your earlier experiments?
23:11:01mcuelenaereamiconn: the source of the file mcuelenaere/ondavx747.txt">
23:11:25mcuelenaereamiconn: I don't know, but I tested an extracted image from the OF (as seen in the link) and it seems to be 5-6-5
23:12:10mcuelenaere(the image is 320x240 but the screen 400x240, that's why there's a conversion)
23:13:11mcuelenaereI can replicate the behaviour on PC when displaying the image in libbitmapsnative.a at 160x100 instead of 320x100, but it still doesn't explain why it is there on the device..
23:13:28mcuelenaereit seems to be something with the DMA transfer, but I can't really figure out what
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23:15:03fmlNico_P: still here?
23:15:12*amiconn would do this conversion by using lcd_bitmap() instead of doing it by hand
23:15:23mcuelenaereI just mimiced the OF
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23:16:53*amiconn suspects the lcd_update() implementation
23:17:16amiconnEspecially since the Onda logo & texts are still there
23:17:45amiconnA proper lcd_update() transfers the whole framebuffer to the lcd, leaving no remnants of what the OF (loader) might have put there
23:18:04mcuelenaeremm lcd_bitmap() does indeed the same
23:18:27mcuelenaereno, displaying the onda logo is intended behaviour
23:18:38mcuelenaereit's the only clear thing I can get on the display atm :)
23:18:46mcuelenaerethat's what the huge image[] array is
23:19:08mcuelenaeremy problem is getting stuff formatted by Rockbox on the LCD..
23:19:12Nico_Pfml: sorry, I was distracted... let me check
23:19:37*amiconn obviously got lost somewhere...
23:19:44mcuelenaereI extracted the Onda logo from the OF and tried displaying it (with the original displaying routines)
23:20:01mcuelenaere(so I copied the onda logo to the framebuffer)
23:20:18mcuelenaerethen I'd expect that everything would work as intented (so text would show up ungarbled etc), but it doesn't
23:20:26amiconnAnd where does the rockbox logo come from?
23:20:47mcuelenaereit's compiled with the bootloader etc (it's in libbitmapsnative.a)
23:21:02mcuelenaeredid you see the source code I posted a link to?
23:21:18amiconnYes, and that code doesn't call show_logo()
23:21:41Nico_Pfml: it seems you're right. I guess it's a leftover from when there was a max number of sublines per line
23:21:54mcuelenaereah sorry, I've commented it out
23:22:06mcuelenaerein the picture, it isn't :)
23:22:25mcuelenaere -> this is the interesting part
23:23:38fmlNico_P: I think you're right! :-)
23:24:29Nico_Pfml: got a WPS where this causes problems?
23:25:09amiconnmcuelenaere: So either only the first lcd_update() works, or your bitmaps are broken somehow (the ones in libbitmapsnative.a)
23:25:59mcuelenaeremm I'll try a make clean
23:26:22amiconnshow_logo() just uses lcd_bitmap() and lcd_update() as your test code does
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23:26:56mcuelenaereaha now it gets more interesting :)
23:27:11amiconnBtw, why is the framebuffer 400x240 when the display area is only 320x240, or am I misunderstanding something again?
23:27:25mcuelenaereno, that's something odd with the OF
23:27:32mcuelenaerethe image they included is 320x240
23:27:37mcuelenaerebut the lcd is 400x240
23:27:55mcuelenaerelcd_set_foreground(LCD_WHITE); lcd_fillrect(50, 0, 100, 100); should draw a white rectangle; right?
23:28:21amiconnIt should, provided you're not using an unsuitable drawmode
23:28:39mcuelenaereah, so I should set the drawmode to solid I presume?
23:28:41amiconn(which you probably don't, since you don't set one anywhere, and the default is DRMODE_SOLID)
23:28:58mcuelenaereI'm going to set it explicitly, just in case ;)
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23:29:34fmlNico_P: no but I think this can lead to hard to explain behaviour in WPS, i.e. part of multiline lines ignored.
23:30:40fmlNico_P: this is very unlikely though since the limits are set quite high
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23:31:07mcuelenaerenow I get with
23:32:03mcuelenaereso no white rectangle, no text but a partial rockbox logo and another smaller one
23:32:18mcuelenaere+ a part of the onda logo is erased
23:33:05mcuelenaereaha I got a clear Rockbox logo now :)
23:33:15mcuelenaerebut still no other text/rectangle :(
23:33:40mcuelenaerethe trick seems to be to switch setting DMA transfer size between 16bit and 16bytes
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23:33:46mcuelenaerefrom 16bytes to 16bit
23:33:49Bagdermcuelenaere: remember to lcd_update() after the rectangle?
23:33:51mcuelenaere(while in the OF it is 16 bytes)
23:34:20mcuelenaereBagder: isn't it enough if it's done after show_logo()?
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23:34:38amiconnshow_logo() clears the display, so anything drawn before that should be gone
23:35:09amiconnSee apss/misc.c, line 987ff
23:35:37amiconn*apps of course
23:35:39mcuelenaeremmm seems like show_logo only accesses half the size of the framebuffer for some reason
23:35:47mcuelenaerehence why half the onda logo is erased
23:36:10Bagderthen something is wrong...
23:36:15Bagderlcd_clear_display() is called in there
23:36:21gevaertsOr half-wrong
23:36:54mcuelenaereshow_logo() uncommented:
23:37:05mcuelenaeresee that white line? that's the rectangle
23:37:07amiconnYes, and lcd_clear_display() is now a call to lcd_clear_viewport() with the viewport temporarily set to the default
23:37:19mcuelenaereand the purple pixel dot in the upper left part is the manual setted value
23:38:03mcuelenaereso it looks like lcd-16bit.c only accesses half the framebuffer ??
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23:38:16amiconnI still suspect lcd_update()
23:38:28mcuelenaerein what way,
23:38:29amiconnDoe sthat transfer the data bottom-up, by chance?
23:38:55mcuelenaerehmm I wouldn't know, I think it is filled from the top right angle
23:39:19amiconnWell, iirc you said it works in the sim
23:39:38amiconnThat rules out problems in lcd-16bit.c, and points to target driver problems
23:39:55amiconn(well, unless there's a datatype size problem on mips)
23:40:01mcuelenaereno no, I didn't say it worked in the sim
23:40:14mcuelenaerethere is this program (Image Search Editor) which can display raw lcd data
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23:41:40mcuelenaerewhat exactly do you mean by transferring the data bottom-up?
23:41:55mcuelenaerelike beginning at the end of the framebuffer and going downwards?
23:43:08amiconnIs DTCR in bytes, or in transfer-sized elements?
23:43:20mcuelenaeretransfer-sized elements
23:43:52mcuelenaereif I set DMAC_DCMD to DMAC_DCMD_DS_16BYTE I divide DTCR by 8
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23:44:41mcuelenaerethis is some documentation about DMAC:
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23:46:21mcuelenaerethis is the OF lcd_write() routine:
23:47:35*amiconn cannot connect to pastebin atm
23:47:55amiconnah, back now
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23:52:30amiconnThis lcd_update_rect() looks fishy.
23:52:45mcuelenaereit is currently a bit of a hack
23:53:17amiconnIt calls an lcd_set_target() with just x and y, and then starts transferring data via dma, ignoring the fact that width migh tbe < LCD_WIDTH
23:53:24mcuelenaerelcd_set_target() ->
23:53:28amiconn...both at the source and the destination side
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23:54:45amiconnergh, a function ignoring its arguments...
23:54:48mcuelenaerethat could be the problem
23:55:02mcuelenaereyes I know, I set them to the default values because of testing
23:55:07mcuelenaereperhaps I should set it back..
23:55:40lee321987<gevaerts> are you here?
23:56:15gevaertslee321987: yes
23:57:37lee321987I read your commit −−- "r17997: Don't do overlapping USB transactions and SD writes. This seems to avoid FS #8663 ".... does this mean it may be ok to enable mass storage without using that patch?
23:58:11gevaertsWell, yes. it _may_ be ok.
23:58:38lee321987May. Understood. Thank you.
23:59:00gevaertsIf you read the tracker, it seems that some people still have problems, so I don't know

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