| 00:00:08 | LinuxMafia | any one has any idea? |
| 00:00:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | I ran rockboxdev.sh on my PowerBook to get a build environment set up, and by instinct select 'all' to set up all of the needed compilers. |
| 00:01:02 | scorche | LinuxMafia: which ipod nano version is it? |
| 00:01:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | I know that MIPS was added recently to support the Onda players and required environment, but it seems that some little bits of needed information are still not in rockboxdev.sh regarding PATH setup. |
| 00:01:30 | LinuxMafia | scorche, to be honest with you i dont know |
| 00:01:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | So what's the path to the MIPS compiler so I can add it into my $PATH? |
| 00:01:52 | scorche | LinuxMafia: could you find an image for us on google image search of what your ipod nano looks like? |
| 00:02:02 | scorche | there are different versions of those devices |
| 00:02:13 | Bagder | LambdaCalculus37: the MIPS one is not yet included in the all build |
| 00:02:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | LinuxMafia: Three versions, as a matter of fact. |
| 00:02:23 | d1sturb | Is it possible to add a visualizer to the WPS [i.e. G-Force] ? |
| 00:02:37 | LinuxMafia | sure just a sec |
| 00:03:30 | safetydan | d1sturb: no |
| 00:03:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | Bagder: Ahh, got it. But there's a small problem... I just tried compiling a Gigabeat S build, and got this: http://pastebin.com/m247bb1cc |
| 00:03:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Any ideas? |
| 00:03:54 | LinuxMafia | http://images.appleinsider.com/product-red-ipod-mock2.gif |
| 00:03:54 | d1sturb | •safetydan• k, thanks |
| 00:04:02 | LinuxMafia | but it is silver |
| 00:04:15 | d1sturb | that's gen 2 |
| 00:04:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | LinuxMafia: 2nd gen nano... won't work. |
| 00:04:39 | Bagder | LambdaCalculus37: hm, I think that's some missing stuff on your computer or similar |
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| 00:04:43 | LinuxMafia | but any one knows why when i connect it to pc nothing comes up? |
| 00:05:10 | LinuxMafia | is there any setting i have to change in it? |
| 00:05:12 | scorche | LinuxMafia: this is #rockbox...where we talking about (surprisingly) rockbox related items...your query doesnt really have anything to do with rockbox |
| 00:05:27 | scorche | s/talking/talk |
| 00:05:29 | LinuxMafia | scorche, where can i ask? |
| 00:05:35 | scorche | i dont know, but not here |
| 00:05:56 | LinuxMafia | thanks |
| 00:06:01 | LinuxMafia | i try google |
| 00:06:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | Bagder: Well, according to the previous owner, there already was an install version of gcc on this Mac, but I think it's older than required. |
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| 00:12:31 | MarcGuay | Llorean: In a way, having "Draft version" writted all over the manual implies that there's a completed version somewhere, which is just another form of confusion. |
| 00:13:03 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Which will change in 1.5 months. |
| 00:13:16 | Llorean | Ideally we'll have a 3.0 manual to go with the 3.0 release. |
| 00:13:51 | MarcGuay | Llorean: Truth. |
| 00:14:05 | Llorean | To me, the idea behind the "draft version" on every page is that people realize it won't always be exactly up to date with the builds. If we had more consistency in updating keymapping changes, new menus, etc. I'd be more in favour of reducing it somewhat |
| 00:14:16 | Llorean | As it stands, I wouldn't mind if it were red and blinking in the HTML version. |
| 00:14:52 | preglow | draft watermark should definitely stay |
| 00:15:01 | MarcGuay | Llorean: I guess it lowers expectations a little, which is nice. It's just ugly and a little bit of a beat-you-over-the-head-with-it. |
| 00:15:01 | preglow | it'll make more sense once we start releasing |
| 00:15:23 | Llorean | MarcGuay: "beat you over the head" is kinda the only way to get the message across, I suspect. :) |
| 00:15:39 | Llorean | But yeah, I'm *really* hoping we'll have a decent enough 3.0 manual that the daily ones really are drafts |
| 00:16:39 | preglow | much in the way of that? |
| 00:16:39 | MarcGuay | Llorean: I think it's pretty close to golden. We just need to make some decisions regarding what's wiki material and what's manual material, then push those pieces into place. And add the minute details which are missing... |
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| 00:17:30 | Llorean | MarcGuay: That's pretty much how I feel, but I don't want to state personal opinions on completeness just yet. I *intend* to eventually sit down and read through one complete manual for one of the players I know well. |
| 00:17:48 | Llorean | preglow: Huh? |
| 00:17:56 | MarcGuay | Llorean: I was about to say it would be nice if someone gave the whole thing a proper proof-read before signing off on it. |
| 00:18:26 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Well, if I end up RM I'll *have* to, if I avoid that dubious honor, I'll put it on the list of things an RM should sign off on. :) |
| 00:18:36 | MarcGuay | I don't think it will ever be perfect, the software is just too complex, but we can at least make sure that everything is covered and it reads well. |
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| 00:20:07 | MarcGuay | preglow: If that gets committed don't forget the manual. :) I want that on a t-shirt with the RB logo stamped "Draft version". |
| 00:20:59 | preglow | MarcGuay: planning on updating the manual, yeah |
| 00:21:12 | preglow | just want top make sure it's in the form we want it |
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| 00:23:47 | MarcGuay | Does anyone want to help this guy? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17719.msg129817#msg129817 I don't understand the problem and tired of prodding for info. |
| 00:24:55 | MarcGuay | Martin Arver is a champion star. |
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| 00:29:01 | preglow | we seem to use setting \setting{} for both settings and actual settings choices |
| 00:29:13 | preglow | i think that's a typographical distinction worth making |
| 00:29:23 | preglow | ignore that first "setting" there, keyboard problems |
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| 00:29:43 | Llorean | preglow: Sounds sensible to me. |
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| 00:30:59 | preglow | settings themselves can be in small caps, as i thik they are. setting choices can be italic |
| 00:31:02 | amiconn | Llorean: Manual proof-reading needs to be done for all targets before release, preferably by someone who has the target(s) to compare the manual with reality |
| 00:31:15 | preglow | amiconn: i'd just read the source code |
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| 00:31:26 | preglow | but yeah, same result of course |
| 00:32:49 | Llorean | amiconn: Frankly, we have to accept that may not happen. Signing off on the overall readiness (in terms of understandability, etc) of the "Apps" layer manual bits can be done with almost any manual, with "individual target owners signing off on target-specific manuals" being a wish-list kinda thing |
| 00:32:52 | amiconn | Of course you can read the source for comparison. But it's more difficult, and easier to overlook details if you're not familiar with the real thing. That's why I seaid 'preferably' |
| 00:35:23 | andrewbeveridge | hello again :) |
| 00:35:28 | andrewbeveridge | I have found the cause of the problem, of sorts... I tried the same track, converted to different formats using MediaMonkey (my favourite audio organiser), to find that all of the converted files worked flawlessly! The original file, which causes faulty playback on rockbox, was converted using the "Windows Audio Converter" software which comes with Windows XP Media Center edition... |
| 00:35:35 | andrewbeveridge | I always knew the software was trash, as it incorrectly merges ID3v1 and 2 tags for *interesting* results. But something about WMA files produced by that software seemingly clashes with Rockbox. Sadly, every one of the several thousand WMAs in my collection was converted using this software, so I am still eager to figure out why rockbox doesnt like them. I mean, they play fine on the PC... |
| 00:35:40 | andrewbeveridge | Here is a link to the location of the faulty file and a working file, same format, but converted with different software, and also a sound recording of what playback of the faulty file sounds like when coming through speakers attached to my "rockpod". :) |
| 00:35:45 | andrewbeveridge | http://88.111.153.140/music/rockboxdebugging/ |
| 00:35:50 | pixelma | Llorean: I read the OndioFM manual completely once, the result was a todo list with things concerning this specific manual but also more general things. And it is still not "done" :\ |
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| 00:37:15 | pixelma | that was about 1.5 years ago if that matters |
| 00:37:42 | Llorean | Are there any problems with it that you'd consider "release critical"? |
| 00:38:32 | preglow | andrewbeveridge: the problem was that these files skipped a lot, right? |
| 00:38:51 | andrewbeveridge | play the sample recording :) |
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| 00:39:54 | pixelma | Llorean: will have to go through that list now as I also had forgotten about it and things changed a bit and were done by someone else |
| 00:41:39 | preglow | andrewbeveridge: mok, thanks for the file, i'll relay it on the the wma guy if i don't have a look myself first |
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| 00:42:43 | Llorean | pixelma: I would very, very much appreciate it if once you go through and remove anything you think might be fixed, you just made an "Ondio" header on the ManualTodo page and pasted it in there however you see fit. |
| 00:43:34 | preglow | andrewbeveridge: bad news, i tried the faulty file in vlc, and that also plays it wrong |
| 00:43:49 | andrewbeveridge | vlc plays all my wma files wrong :( |
| 00:43:56 | Lear | andrewbeveridge: Sounds strange. I'd suspect the decoder isn't quite up to spec. |
| 00:44:00 | preglow | andrewbeveridge: that means the only open source wma codec can't play it correctly, and our wma decoder is based on that |
| 00:44:10 | andrewbeveridge | wmp, mediamonkey, winamp, amarok, all play them fine |
| 00:44:24 | andrewbeveridge | ah |
| 00:44:26 | andrewbeveridge | right |
| 00:44:28 | preglow | andrewbeveridge: i suspect all of those use the windows decoder |
| 00:44:28 | pixelma | Llorean: yep, wouldn't even be too hard once I go through the facts |
| 00:44:42 | Lear | preglow: Even amarok? |
| 00:44:50 | andrewbeveridge | surely amarok uses the open source wma decoder too? |
| 00:44:52 | preglow | Lear: right, i don't know about that at all |
| 00:45:03 | preglow | well, if you find out about that, that'd be very interesting |
| 00:45:11 | preglow | i'll check out a new ffmpeg tree and try that out |
| 00:45:21 | andrewbeveridge | in fact i'm quite sure kaffeine plays them too |
| 00:45:25 | andrewbeveridge | so xine must |
| 00:46:08 | andrewbeveridge | i'm going to reboot into linux and do some more testing :) before i do, i'll upload those files to a permanent server so they are still accessible |
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| 00:47:55 | xxbatman94xx | does anybody know if anyone is still working on fixing the video player for the ipod photo? |
| 00:48:13 | Llorean | xxbatman94xx: What's wrong with the video player? |
| 00:48:29 | xxbatman94xx | it still has the color bug |
| 00:48:52 | Llorean | So does Rockbox itself. |
| 00:48:58 | Llorean | That's not a video-player specific problem. |
| 00:49:25 | xxbatman94xx | well i kno..but i mean have they made a patch yet? |
| 00:49:50 | Llorean | Well, I couldn't have known because you asked about the video player, rather than the actual problem. The video player itself was fine. No, nobody has made a patch yet. |
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| 00:49:57 | Llorean | If there were an actual fix, we'd have included it. |
| 00:50:02 | Llorean | Ah well |
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| 00:50:25 | pixelma | Llorean: hah, I also just remembered that there also must be a short list of amiconn's nitpicks on the Player manual somewhere around here ;) |
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| 00:51:32 | Llorean | Honestly, much like the build itself, we can have hacked versions of the manual for 3.0 where we just manually type in things if there's no good way to do it within the current dynamic system. |
| 00:51:34 | preglow | andrewbeveridge: seems to work nice enough in ffmpeg svn |
| 00:51:51 | preglow | doesn't sound perfect, though |
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| 00:52:07 | andrewbeveridge | hmmm in what way? |
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| 00:52:27 | Llorean | They are pretty low bitrate, aren't they? |
| 00:52:58 | linuxstb | I've just been playing it with a recent mplayer, and it sounds OK... But mplayer is giving 3 or 4 "overflow in spectral RLE" errors near the start. |
| 00:53:04 | andrewbeveridge | well, as VBR WMA goes, no. I find a VBR 60-80 kbps MA file sounds exactly the same as a 128 kbps MP3 |
| 00:53:06 | linuxstb | (and it skips a little at those points) |
| 00:53:58 | Llorean | andrewbeveridge: I meant in an objective sense, not in a subjective "what you think of them" sense. |
| 00:53:59 | preglow | andrewbeveridge: none of them sounds nice in current ffmpeg |
| 00:54:08 | preglow | they play without gaps, but have horrible artifacts |
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| 00:54:20 | preglow | linuxstb: overflow in spectral rle isn't fatal and actually quite common |
| 00:54:55 | linuxstb | preglow: So you don't get any short skips near the start? |
| 00:54:56 | preglow | i don't have a native decoder handy, so don't know how it should sound |
| 00:54:59 | preglow | linuxstb: i do |
| 00:55:09 | preglow | but the whole file sounds nasty |
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