| 00:00:16 | Xqtftqx | manuel |
| 00:00:40 | Xqtftqx | sorry, didnt mean to do that |
| 00:01:36 | Xqtftqx | anybody know the real links for the gigabeat s Manuel? the ones in the wiki are dead |
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| 00:02:34 | Bagder | is that buildable? |
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| 00:02:43 | bluebrother | Xqtftqx: I don't see any Beast specific manual |
| 00:03:46 | Xqtftqx | huh, i thought there was one because of r17429 |
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| 00:04:16 | bluebrother | well, that's the basic stuff to make one build at all. |
| 00:04:25 | Xqtftqx | ok |
| 00:04:39 | bluebrother | and that commit is 2 months ago ... |
| 00:04:52 | Xqtftqx | ok... |
| 00:05:37 | Xqtftqx | has anybody noticed the metronome in the beast doesnt work? well it does sorta, not realy a *tick* 100% of the time |
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| 00:08:56 | jac0b|w | I am having a problem with flac files or big files |
| 00:09:17 | Xqtftqx | Whats your problem jac0b|w |
| 00:09:27 | jac0b|w | when I transfer them to my player the tracks have artifacts but if I convert that flac to a ogg it plays fine |
| 00:09:51 | jac0b|w | could it be rb or my player HD |
| 00:09:57 | Xqtftqx | artifacts? |
| 00:10:12 | jac0b|w | like weird sounds in the track |
| 00:10:25 | jac0b|w | beeps clicks |
| 00:10:35 | Xqtftqx | and they play fine on your computer? |
| 00:10:41 | jac0b|w | yep |
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| 00:11:04 | Xqtftqx | what DAP is it? |
| 00:11:12 | PaulJam | ypu could compare the md5 checksum of the file on the player with that of the file on the PC to make sure it wasn't corruptrd during transfer. |
| 00:11:26 | jac0b|w | gigabeat f |
| 00:11:38 | Xqtftqx | or re transferrer |
| 00:11:45 | jac0b|w | PaulJam: one sec let me look |
| 00:11:59 | jac0b|w | it seems to just be the flac |
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| 00:12:05 | jac0b|w | like I said earlier |
| 00:12:14 | Xqtftqx | what os aer you running |
| 00:12:21 | Xqtftqx | what os are you running* |
| 00:12:23 | jac0b|w | ubuntu/windows |
| 00:12:35 | jac0b|w | Itried on both |
| 00:12:40 | jac0b|w | i tried* |
| 00:12:47 | jac0b|w | got the samw result |
| 00:12:50 | Xqtftqx | you can give me one of these files and i can try it to see if its the file or th player |
| 00:12:53 | jac0b|w | same* |
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| 00:13:31 | jac0b|w | let me try what PaulJam said first |
| 00:13:35 | Xqtftqx | ok |
| 00:13:44 | Xqtftqx | also, you can try it in the simulator |
| 00:14:03 | jac0b|w | yeah i will |
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| 00:23:32 | jac0b|w | the md5 is the same for both files but it still has the artifacts |
| 00:24:01 | jac0b|w | I will have to restart and try it with a new build |
| 00:24:12 | jac0b|w | brb |
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| 00:25:19 | Seldaek | heya, trying to use WinFF, and it just doesn't do anything.. is it a known issue that it fucks up on xp64 bit or am I just out of luck? |
| 00:25:37 | Xqtftqx | what os you running? |
| 00:25:48 | Xqtftqx | btw, be family friendly |
| 00:25:53 | Seldaek | xp 64bit :) |
| 00:25:56 | Seldaek | sorry |
| 00:27:03 | Xqtftqx | hmmm, WInFF doesnt run at all? or it doesnt work |
| 00:27:10 | Seldaek | it runs |
| 00:27:25 | Seldaek | but when I hit convert, it does nothing |
| 00:27:31 | Xqtftqx | huh |
| 00:27:34 | Seldaek | well it runs his thing, or that's what he says |
| 00:27:51 | Xqtftqx | I can take a look via remote controll, if you trust me |
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| 00:27:52 | Seldaek | butI get no file output, not even an empty one |
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| 00:28:15 | Rocket | Hi |
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| 00:28:20 | Seldaek | well I doubt I did something wrong, didn't do much anyway |
| 00:28:37 | Rocket | Just installed Rockbox on my G4 Ipod and I'm amazed |
| 00:28:46 | Rocket | This pies of soft is awsome |
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| 00:29:02 | Xqtftqx | We Know :P |
| 00:29:14 | Seldaek | besides I don't have the time now, just wished to know if it was known fact that it broke.. I'll try it on a xp32bit tomorrow |
| 00:29:17 | scorche|sh | Seldaek: you will probably have better luck asking the winff/ffmpeg guys... |
| 00:29:22 | Rocket | I just wonder if it is possible to output the music through the internal Speakers of Ipod |
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| 00:29:37 | Seldaek | aye scorche|sh, tomorrow :) |
| 00:29:42 | scorche|sh | there are no internal speakers |
| 00:29:44 | Seldaek | thanks anyway |
| 00:29:56 | scorche|sh | the piezo doesnt count |
| 00:29:59 | Rocket | Like the noise when you select something in original Ipod firmware |
| 00:30:07 | scorche|sh | yes...that is a piezo |
| 00:30:18 | Rocket | whats a piezo? |
| 00:30:37 | scorche|sh | it really isnt practical for music |
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| 00:31:02 | Xqtftqx | sorry Rocket, not yet, but look for it in the future |
| 00:31:07 | scorche|sh | ... |
| 00:31:18 | Rocket | OK sounds cool |
| 00:31:20 | scorche|sh | Xqtftqx: uh...what? |
| 00:31:36 | Xqtftqx | Playing sounds from the speakers, like simple clicks |
| 00:31:43 | Xqtftqx | not music though |
| 00:31:49 | scorche|sh | he wants music... |
| 00:32:05 | Rocket | yeah |
| 00:32:06 | Xqtftqx | thats why he said "Like the noise when you select something in original Ipod firmware" ... |
| 00:32:18 | Rocket | if you dont have earplugs on hand |
| 00:32:20 | scorche|sh | Xqtftqx: read what he asked again |
| 00:32:32 | Xqtftqx | ok w.e |
| 00:32:37 | Rocket | not for having a concert but just checking if sound is ok |
| 00:33:01 | scorche|sh | Rocket: dont look for it in the future because it really is not practical ;) |
| 00:33:12 | Rocket | hmm |
| 00:33:14 | Rocket | ok |
| 00:33:15 | Xqtftqx | clicking noises when scrolling is though |
| 00:33:32 | Rocket | The Software is perfect anyway |
| 00:33:34 | scorche|sh | Xqtftqx: yes but that isnt what he asked |
| 00:33:42 | Rocket | Couldn't ask for more |
| 00:33:52 | Rocket | OK guys don't argue |
| 00:33:55 | Rocket | its OK |
| 00:34:05 | Rocket | I just thought that would be possible |
| 00:34:19 | Rocket | If not. Its not that much of a problem |
| 00:34:33 | Rocket | I'm off testing the software |
| 00:34:33 | scorche|sh | it isnt...it is capable of simple clicks/beeps and such, but not full-blown music |
| 00:34:49 | Rocket | Bye and keep on the fantastic work |
| 00:35:27 | Xqtftqx | ok goodbye |
| 00:35:30 | jac0b | put a up-to-date version on my player and I am still getting the artifacts |
| 00:36:35 | Xqtftqx | jac0b: Chould you send me one of the .flac files? |
| 00:37:29 | Xqtftqx | or just convert them all to .ogg or mp3 |
| 00:38:01 | scorche|sh | he said he didnt get the artifacts when transcoded... |
| 00:38:13 | Xqtftqx | exactly |
| 00:38:55 | PaulJam | jac0b: how did you create the flac files? |
| 00:39:05 | jac0b | they are recorded records |
| 00:39:57 | Xqtftqx | yep, theres the problem, the quaility and vibrate are probley messed up |
| 00:40:10 | Xqtftqx | and when you convert, it fixes that |
| 00:40:18 | PaulJam | i meant which encoder and what encoder settings? |
| 00:40:21 | Xqtftqx | try using a converter to convert them to flac |
| 00:41:16 | jac0b | I use the flac encoder from the flac site |
| 00:41:23 | jac0b | quality 8 |
| 00:41:32 | jac0b | 24-bit 96khz |
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| 00:42:15 | scorche|sh | jac0b: try thr standard 44.1khz |
| 00:42:19 | scorche|sh | s/thr/the |
| 00:42:37 | jac0b | brb dinner time |
| 00:42:44 | scorche|sh | the DACs in these DAPs are not capable of more so we need to downscale anyway |
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| 00:44:28 | PaulJam | maybe you are expreiencing the wonders of rockbox' linear interpolation resampler |
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| 00:46:19 | swears | Hey, if anyone needs a tester for rockbox on the Gigabeat S60, i can definately help |
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| 00:46:47 | scorche|sh | thanks, but i do not think that is the current hurdle |
| 00:47:02 | scorche|sh | if testers are needed, they will likely be asked for in the forum thread |
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| 00:47:36 | swears | oh ok, do you have a link for the forum? I've been trying to find a place to get some updates on the progress. |
| 00:47:43 | preglow | argh |
| 00:47:48 | preglow | manual diffs are the worst kind of diffs |
| 00:47:55 | preglow | in the future i should commit directly after making changes :/ |
| 00:48:33 | scorche|sh | swears: rockbox forum > new ports > the thread about the gigabeat s |
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| 00:49:38 | swears | Thanks! |
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| 00:51:40 | preglow | i hope i didn't break any manuals |
| 00:51:50 | preglow | and this definitely feels like my bedtime |
| 00:52:14 | * | preglow will check back tomorrow |
| 00:56:52 | jac0b | PaulJam: what is the linear interpolation resampler |
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| 00:58:25 | PaulJam | if i understand correctly the resampler used in rockbox is really basic and doesn't produce the best results (but it is fast). |
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| 00:59:39 | scorche|sh | it really isnt that great |
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| 01:17:52 | jac0b | I am trying a file in the sim and it is does the same thing |
| 01:18:07 | Xqtftqx | Huh |
| 01:18:10 | Xqtftqx | wrong encoding |
| 01:19:03 | scorche|sh | jac0b: as we said before, try encoding it at the standard 44.1khz setting |
| 01:19:32 | jac0b | its weird throught it worked before |
| 01:19:41 | jac0b | though* |
| 01:19:55 | linuxstb | IIRC, 24-bit/96KHz FLAC should play fine on all Rockbox targets, so if they don't know, something's broken. Although I could be mis-remembering... |
| 01:20:24 | scorche|sh | linuxstb: it sounds like he is getting artifacts from our outstanding resampler |
| 01:20:26 | jac0b | I am up/ing one right now maybe you guysd can see if you get the same thing |
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| 01:21:32 | jac0b | I tried to find the smallest one (76mb) to up it give artifacts in the sim and on my player |
| 01:22:09 | jac0b | was there any changes to the resampler in the past month? |
| 01:22:22 | jac0b | maybe 2 months |
| 01:22:28 | PaulJam | you could also try running "flac -t INPUTFILE" in order to test if the original file wasn't corrupted somehow. |
| 01:23:31 | linuxstb | jac0b: You could try older builds - some of the download servers keep very old versions. What device are you running Rockbox on? |
| 01:23:47 | scorche|sh | even if it did work without artifacts, you would still be better off re-encoding the files using your computer to 44.1khz...much better quality than what our resampler would give you |
| 01:24:21 | linuxstb | scorche|sh: Yes, but if it's worse now than it used to be, we want to know... |
| 01:24:32 | jac0b | just a gigabeat f |
| 01:24:46 | jac0b | I got a older build of mine |
| 01:24:52 | Soap | I would assume 88.2 would also do fine with Rockbox's resampler??? |
| 01:25:18 | Soap | (if you must push the limits) |
| 01:25:39 | * | scorche|sh wonders why people would encode at 88.2 |
| 01:26:39 | linuxstb | jac0b: Try this link - http://download.rockbox.org/daily/gigabeatf/ |
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| 01:33:41 | CamMendoza | Hi. My name's Cam. |
| 01:34:01 | CamMendoza | I'm wondering if I can get Wiki write permissions so that I can upload a WPS. |
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| 01:37:24 | CamMendoza | I fixed the Pen&PaperAA WPS for the iPod video. |
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| 01:47:27 | jac0b | PaulJam: the file tested ok |
| 01:48:07 | jac0b | linuxstb: I went all the way back to 06-14-08 and still does it |
| 01:48:20 | jac0b | I am pretty sure it is my file |
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| 01:54:02 | jac0b | ok this is weird |
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| 01:54:43 | jac0b | I decoded the flac to a wav played fine encoded that wav back to a flac artifacts again |
| 01:54:51 | jac0b | could it be the file guys or no |
| 01:55:21 | jac0b | wav was the original format of the file |
| 01:56:19 | scorche|sh | was the wav 96khz as well/ |
| 01:56:41 | MarcGuay | The iPod 3G can record through the headphone jack and the dock connector, but HAVE_RECORDING has been commented out in the config for as far back as SVN goes. Does anyone know if there's a reason for this or should it be enabled? |
| 01:56:41 | jac0b | yep |
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| 01:57:19 | Llorean | MarcGuay: No drivers for it at all yet, probably. |
| 01:57:27 | scorche|sh | did you try a 44.1khz flac version yet? |
| 01:58:20 | jac0b | how do I encode it at 44.1 |
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| 01:59:31 | MarcGuay | Llorean: Is that different from the situation with the H10 that came up yesterday? Does/did it have half-finished drivers that required pestering? |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:24 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Yeah, recording on the H10 is a case of "it should be working, isn't, and needs someone to work on it" whereas on the 3G I think it's "it needs someone to start it" |
| 02:00:55 | MarcGuay | Llorean: Check. |
| 02:01:12 | scorche|sh | jac0b: that would depend on what you use to encode files in flac typically |
| 02:02:05 | jac0b | the flac front with the flac.exe in wondows |
| 02:02:10 | jac0b | windows* |
| 02:02:40 | jac0b | doesn't audacity do resampling |
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| 02:06:11 | linuxstb | jac0b: I assume you're using the very latest flac release? |
| 02:07:08 | jac0b | umm I think, I d/l'ed it a couple of weeks maybe a month ago |
| 02:07:51 | linuxstb | flac 1.2.1 (maybe earlier), sneaked in some backwards-incompatible changes to the format, affecting high resolution files. I remember someone committing a fix to Rockbox to support those files, but I don't know how well it was tested... It would be interesting if you could test an older flac version. |
| 02:08:51 | jac0b | I am resampling a file to 44.1 24-bit |
| 02:09:07 | scorche|sh | sorry...not 24-bit |
| 02:09:31 | jac0b | 16 |
| 02:09:35 | * | pixelma reviews preglow's changes to the manual and finds out that "labelled" is British spelling and "labeled" American... weird |
| 02:09:38 | scorche|sh | there ya go |
| 02:10:21 | pixelma | according to my dictionary... |
| 02:10:43 | linuxstb | "labelled" looks right to my eyes... |
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| 02:12:58 | pixelma | that would be my preference too. So if this is British English and the manual should follow that, it needs changing back. But not now |
| 02:13:34 | jac0b | yep the 16-bit 44.1khz sounds fine |
| 02:13:39 | jac0b | flac |
| 02:14:12 | jac0b | yeah something happened to the flac codec |
| 02:14:32 | jac0b | it give artifacts at 24-bit 96khz |
| 02:16:16 | jac0b | linuxstb: when was that flac change added to rb? |
| 02:16:26 | linuxstb | September last year. |
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| 02:16:47 | jac0b | woah way back |
| 02:17:08 | linuxstb | Can you try encoding with an earlier flac.exe? |
| 02:17:24 | jac0b | its weird through like I said rb was playing them fine a month or so ago |
| 02:17:36 | jac0b | yeah I will try that |
| 02:17:46 | linuxstb | Encoded with the same flac.exe that you're using now? |
| 02:17:46 | | Part pixelma |
| 02:18:26 | jac0b | umm I think so...I can't remember but I think it was the same |
| 02:19:43 | linuxstb | I need to sleep now, I'll read the logs in the morning... |
| 02:20:56 | jac0b | linuxstb: where are you at |
| 02:21:22 | jac0b | i'll try 1.2.0 |
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| 02:29:21 | Bensawsome | when i updated to rockbox r18XXX it changed the play screen. Is there any way to change it back to the regular one? |
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| 02:32:05 | Soap | Bensawsome, without knowing what While Playing Screen (WPS) you /were/ using I can not say. Much has changed over the last few months in regards to how WPSs work, you will need to redownload updated or known-working WPSs. |
| 02:34:11 | Bensawsome | Soap, i just downloaded some new ones to try with it and it didnt seem to change :( |
| 02:35:13 | Bensawsome | what is really annoying about it is that it doesnt show what level the volume is so i sometimes blast my ears -_- |
| 02:36:37 | Soap | yea, well that (numeric volume display) is up to the individual WPS. If you mention what player and what WPS we are talking about I can see if they should be working. |
| 02:37:27 | Soap | Or you could alway turn on the status bar while in menus and set the volume display in the status bar to numeric - that way you can see the precise level the volume is at before starting playback. |
| 02:37:34 | Bensawsome | i mean i tried all the wps's i had (which was about 20) and none of them worked right |
| 02:37:52 | Bensawsome | then i downloaded tyhe new ones and they didnt work either |
| 02:38:03 | Bensawsome | o and i have a sansa e200r |
| 02:38:08 | Bensawsome | sry about that |
| 02:38:57 | Soap | What version (or how old of one) were you using? |
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| 02:39:44 | Bensawsome | i was using one of the r17XXX biulds and i think i downloaded it about 2 or 3 months ago |
| 02:39:56 | Soap | Like I said, recent changes in the WPS syntax have broken a vast majority of old themes, and if your previous version was so old then all the themes you have are too old. |
| 02:40:24 | Soap | But I can point you to a discussion on how and what to change in your themes to get them working again, or we can talk about specific ones. |
| 02:40:29 | Bensawsome | where can i get a more up to date theme them? |
| 02:40:32 | Bensawsome | o cool :d |
| 02:40:36 | Bensawsome | :D |
| 02:40:49 | MarcGuay | Llorean: It looks like the drivers are there. The 3G has WM8731, same as the H10, according to its config file. Of course the line-in on the H10 has been reported broken, but it looks like recording should be enabled. |
| 02:41:06 | Soap | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17507.0 is the page announcing the (then) upcomming change and what needs fixed. |
| 02:41:22 | Bensawsome | thank you very much ^_^ |
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| 02:42:16 | Soap | Look on the wiki theme gallery, Bensawsome, for up-to-date themes, or browse the forums (WPS and Appearance Customization) for further discussion on ones which need fixed and ones which have been fixed. |
| 02:42:58 | Llorean | MarcGuay: No clue then. It may be then just because we don't have anyone with a 3G to at least do an initial test and/or be around to accept feedback. It's one of the targets we have less of than even the H10, and the only reason it was enabled on the H10 I think is that Mic recording worked, so it was thought line in should (there was nobody with a cable to test) |
| 02:42:59 | Llorean | IIRC |
| 02:43:36 | Bensawsome | wait is this what you mean by the wiki theme gallery? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsSansaE200 because this is where i downloaded about 3 new themes |
| 02:43:45 | MarcGuay | Llorean: That's what the closed flyspray tasks say. |
| 02:44:18 | Soap | Bensawsome, yes - and I don't know what to say as you have yet to mention a specific theme for me to look at. |
| 02:44:21 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Basically, it shouldn't be enabled unless someone's willing to say "I'm reasonably confident this will work", after which it shouldn't be disabled unless you can't record at all. |
| 02:46:03 | Soap | Has there been any thought as to giving the WPS syntax an official version number so that WPSs could be labeled as to the version of the syntax they were written for? It might make updating broken themes earlier. A wiki page could be maintained describing the steps needed to take WPSv5 to WPSv6 and then WPSv6 to WPSv7, etc. |
| 02:46:05 | MarcGuay | Llorean: Alright I'm going to drop it. The small changed I made to the recording sources in the manual yesterday speak the truth as it is. |
| 02:46:11 | MarcGuay | *changes |
| 02:46:17 | Bensawsome | sry Soap i downloaded Ultima v1.0, CoolRead (red, purple, blue), Pirates (red, purple, blue), and Miss LED Natural |
| 02:46:45 | MarcGuay | Bensawsome: Plain & Simple and Cabbie v2-HelvR12 should work. |
| 02:46:46 | Soap | Bensawsome, try Plain & Simple. |
| 02:46:51 | Soap | jynx |
| 02:46:59 | MarcGuay | Beatcha. |
| 02:47:05 | Bensawsome | MarcGuay, and Soap thanks ^_^ |
| 02:47:08 | Bensawsome | i try them |
| 02:47:17 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Honestly, except for the Sansas, I don't think any of the other PP recording targets will have it enabled in 3.0 unless a few key things change. |
| 02:47:22 | MarcGuay | Sorry they're not as exciting as pirates. |
| 02:48:18 | Bensawsome | o I see now! they have dates they weresubmitted woops ^_^ |
| 02:48:37 | MarcGuay | Llorean: Yeah I'm just thinking of now. And even the Sansas, at least the e200, the microphone recording is awful when the backlight is on. |
| 02:49:02 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Yeah, but that's juts flawed hardware, I think. |
| 02:49:04 | Soap | Bensawsome, I think in one casual evening you could probably fix every one of your themes which is currently broken. The needed modifications are small. Half the issue is we can't redistribute WPSs with fixes if the original author didn't use a permissive license, but you can surely fix them yourself for personal use, and hopefully in the future we can get clearer licensing and no more run-on sentence. |
| 02:49:08 | MarcGuay | Seems like it. |
| 02:49:39 | Bensawsome | thanks Soap i see if i can try that. Thank you all very much ^_^ |
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| 02:54:10 | jac0b | if any of guy want to try the flac thing here is a link to my file http://www.divshare.com/download/4941952-a52 |
| 02:56:34 | Soap | no bites on the WPS versioning idea? Oh well |
| 02:56:42 | xqtftqx | jac0b: Ill try it on mine |
| 02:57:01 | * | krazykit thinks the wps version idea is good |
| 02:57:02 | Soap | Anyone mind if I shit-can those MASSIVE promo-combo screenshots in the sansa wps gallery? |
| 02:58:02 | * | Llorean doesn't mind at all. |
| 02:58:15 | Llorean | Soap: WPS versioning idea? |
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| 02:58:21 | jac0b | I just encoded it with flac 1.2.0 and it seems to play fine but I will do more testing tomorrow...I gtg to bed |
| 02:58:44 | jac0b | I thik the version of flac I was using was 1.1.4 |
| 02:58:50 | jac0b | think* |
| 02:59:08 | jac0b | good nite to all |
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| 02:59:50 | MarcGuay | Soap: I hate them too. |
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| 03:08:10 | Soap | Llorean, 20:46 EDT |
| 03:09:03 | Llorean | Soap: Ah, actually I think there might be a better solution. |
| 03:09:11 | Llorean | If/when we get the theme site working. |
| 03:09:54 | Llorean | Since we'll have them under modifiable licenses, there's a good chance we can actually just script fixes to themes when syntax changes occur |
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| 03:12:14 | Soap | I don't see how that addresses all the confusion in and of itself. |
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| 03:12:55 | Soap | IF the new site was up today it would go a long way - but: |
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| 03:13:03 | Llorean | Soap: There will always be confusion, but it'll mean all downloadable themes will work with the current downloadable build. |
| 03:13:06 | Soap | A - what is the downside to versioning? |
| 03:13:33 | Soap | B - what happens if/when syntax changes again before the theme site goes live. |
| 03:13:47 | Llorean | A - Nothing, beyond WPS authors needing to keep track of what the current "version" is, and which parts of which version are incompatible with other ones. |
| 03:13:58 | Llorean | For example, any theme that didn't include %pb and %m didn't break |
| 03:13:59 | Soap | C - versioning would allow easy labeling of all broken unlicensed themes. |
| 03:14:07 | Llorean | So V4 and V5 are *semi* incompatible because only certain tags are. |
| 03:14:23 | Llorean | It seems to me this would provoke more confusion than simply saying "this tag and this tag changed" |
| 03:14:31 | Soap | then a V4 theme w/o %pb and %m could instantly be labeled v5 in the wiki. |
| 03:15:01 | Soap | Problem is "this tag and this tag changed" two or three times since some of the broken themes have been touched. |
| 03:15:07 | Llorean | By who? The same person could simply mark themes *with* %pb and %m as broken. |
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| 03:15:47 | Llorean | How is a version system for marking themes "good" better than simply marking bad themes "bad"? |
| 03:16:05 | Llorean | Especially when version changes aren't global, they are fairly limited in what parts of themes they affect. |
| 03:16:19 | Soap | they could, you are right, outline every change needed to fix broken wiki themes, but you don't think a version label and a single WPS version upgrade guide is easier still? |
| 03:17:00 | Llorean | By that standard we could just mark current themes "Error Q" then in the upgrade guide have "how to fix Error Q" |
| 03:17:09 | Llorean | Versions for the errors, rather than versions for the themes. |
| 03:17:24 | Soap | The version system excels in that a simple note in the wiki can lead someone to specific directed instructions w/o cluttering up the gallery pages with repeated instructions for each and every theme. |
| 03:17:41 | Llorean | I'm not disagreeing that there could be an upgrade guide. |
| 03:18:02 | Llorean | I'm disagreeing that we version themes rather than simply marking "This theme has errors 3 and 4" then someone goes to the guide and sees the instructions for fixing 3 and 4. |
| 03:18:07 | xqtftqx | upgrade guide whould be good |
| 03:18:56 | Llorean | If you mark a theme "Version 2" and we're on "Version 5", people not interested in doing any work won't even go to look to see what the 2->3->4->5 steps are and discover the version 2 theme is still good because it was text based and only showed 3 ID3 tags. |
| 03:19:39 | Llorean | So it depends on someone updating a theme that works, when if it works they'll probably never come back anyway |
| 03:19:47 | Soap | I totally understand your case, Llorean, I just think versioning is a _familiar_ and easy to adopt global way of discussing changes to syntax which is easy to describe, easy to document, and easy to grasp for casual WPS fixers. |
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| 03:20:24 | Llorean | Soap: I honestly believe versioning will lead to more confusion, with people saying things like "Well, my other Version 2 themes work" |
| 03:20:54 | Soap | Llorean, that (2-5 text wps) argument is a red herring as it is little different than the current situation except the roles are reversed. |
| 03:21:09 | Llorean | My point is that with the reversed roles comes a different sort of confusion. |
| 03:21:25 | Soap | But one I feel is more easily and casually addressed. |
| 03:21:54 | Llorean | Perhaps. |
| 03:22:02 | Llorean | I don't think so, but it's worth an experiment I suppose. |
| 03:22:59 | Soap | More casually addressed in that it is easier to simply retag a theme "works on new syntax) (i e. changing v2 to v5) than it is to diagnose a broken WPS. |
| 03:23:27 | Soap | watch out for my parentheses / double quote switchup. |
| 03:23:41 | Llorean | Yeah, but I *think* that either people aren't going to download one marked "v2", or if they already have it, and it still works, they're unlikely to go to the wiki and track it down just to update its entry. |
| 03:24:01 | Llorean | I think that people actually monitoring that sort of thing on the page are, by definition, non-casual. |
| 03:24:14 | Llorean | But it's worth a shot, at least. |
| 03:25:53 | Soap | aarrgghh, " Parilis" in the sansa WPS gallery didn't just have an _extra_ extravagant screenshot (like "Free State" did) - that huge honking thing was the multifont version's only screenshot. Delete it or leave it? |
| 03:28:56 | Llorean | Ew, leave it gone |
| 03:29:31 | Llorean | Why do people feel their themes need such presentation? |
| 03:29:37 | Soap | thank you for cleaning my conscience. |
| 03:30:05 | Llorean | Seriously, it was more than half wasted space. |
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| 03:33:36 | Soap | Perhaps a requirement that contact info be left for all new wiki accounts? |
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| 03:35:31 | JdGordon | Llorean: wasnt there some talk of removing the themes (except cabbiev2) from the builds and trying to force people to use rbutil to install them? more and more im thinking we should get the theme site up and running as it is and fix issues while its live so we can use it for the (hopefully) imminent release |
| 03:35:45 | JdGordon | (barin dump re your forum thread on the subject) |
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| 03:44:41 | xqtftqx | rbutil should not be the only way to install themes |
| 03:45:30 | xqtftqx | there should be a easy way i agree but, there should be no forcing |
| 03:45:44 | xqtftqx | some people like doing it themeselfs |
| 03:45:57 | xqtftqx | but, what if rockbox chould load a tar file, like blah.theme |
| 03:46:16 | xqtftqx | and extact it to where the files go? therefore making it easy and cross compatible |
| 03:48:08 | Llorean | JdGordon: What I'd like to do for the release is have a static theme site. |
| 03:48:18 | Llorean | Every theme that works with 3.0 up, but no functionality for adding new themes. |
| 03:48:32 | Llorean | We can worry about getting all that working later, for "Current Build Themes", but 3.0 themes don't need to change anyway. |
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| 03:52:43 | Arkbuntu | helllo. I am having a problem with my Sansa e250r. None of the themes work properly. Is anyone else having this problem? |
| 03:54:13 | MarcGuay | Arkbuntu: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17507.0 |
| 03:55:37 | Arkbuntu | Thank you very much. Have any of the themes been updated? Specifically Slant. I think it's the only good theme for the Sansa e200. |
| 03:56:11 | MarcGuay | You'll have to check yourself. It's an easy fix either way. |
| 03:56:42 | Arkbuntu | Ack! I'm lazier than lazy. But ok. Thanks for your help! |
| 03:56:45 | MarcGuay | I've updated mine. |
| 03:57:02 | MarcGuay | (Some of the not-good ones) :) |
| 03:58:58 | Arkbuntu | uh. noob question. how do i fix it? D: is there a guide to fixing it? |
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| 04:00:21 | MarcGuay | That post I linked you to explains it pretty well. |
| 04:01:57 | Arkbuntu | Really? Well then I must be retarded or something. "%pb... or just %pb" doesn't make sense |
| 04:02:52 | Arkbuntu | I'm a noob sorry D: I've never really done anything that has to do with coding.\ |
| 04:04:01 | MarcGuay | Arkbuntu: If you open up the .wps file of the theme you'll see those %tags and they need to be changed. The CustomWPS wiki page will help you as well. |
| 04:04:44 | Arkbuntu | Ok.. I think I got this. Do you have any themes you prefer? |
| 04:08:07 | MarcGuay | Screaming Oprah is the one I use most often. |
| 04:08:47 | Arkbuntu | .. lol |
| 04:09:49 | Arkbuntu | I am seriously still confused. I don't know the least bit of how to do this. Is it an easy fix? if so. Is it just text replacing? and if so, what text to i replace with what? |
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| 04:17:14 | swears|2 | Can someone point me in the right direction on how to Sync files on my gigabeat S60 w/ Mediamonkey using Rockbox |
| 04:17:32 | swears|2 | the only way i've been able to music on, is my dragging with windows explorer |
| 04:17:37 | swears|2 | get* |
| 04:17:48 | swears|2 | or is this the only way? |
| 04:18:55 | Arkbuntu | swears|2: It's the only way as of now for me at least. I use WMP to sync music or just drag it in explorer |
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| 04:19:11 | swears|2 | ok thanks. |
| 04:19:22 | swears|2 | Thought there was a prob w/ MM for a second |
| 04:20:01 | Llorean | Rockbox shows up as a standard UMS device. |
| 04:20:17 | Llorean | Nothing special needs to be done to sync with it, so if MediaMonkey is supposed to sync with UMS players, it is something wrong with it. |
| 04:20:25 | swears|2 | hmm |
| 04:20:35 | Arkbuntu | Llorean: I wouldn't know, I use a Sansa, and nothing works with the dang thing anyhow |
| 04:20:37 | swears|2 | haven't been able to have it show up yet |
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| 04:20:51 | Llorean | Arkbuntu: On the Sansa you're stuck using the original firmware for transfers. |
| 04:21:14 | swears|2 | I used the original firmware to transfer all my songs over |
| 04:21:18 | swears|2 | but, they dont show up organized |
| 04:21:25 | swears|2 | so, I guess I'll have to have double of each |
| 04:21:28 | Arkbuntu | Llorean: I use explorer and WMP. The orignal firmware doesn't support it either. |
| 04:21:56 | Llorean | Arkbuntu: Rockbox doesn't have USB mode on it. You're using the original firmware's USB mode unless you're using a modified version of Rockbox |
| 04:22:17 | Llorean | swears|2: You should be using Rockbox's USB mode for transfers. But you should also be aware, the Gigabeat S is not supported yet, and is still a development build. |
| 04:22:23 | Arkbuntu | Llorean: Oh. Sorry, I thought you meant using Rhapsody. Which is a pile of crap. |
| 04:22:30 | swears|2 | yeah, I'm just messing around with it |
| 04:22:37 | Llorean | Arkbuntu: Original *Firmware* as in "the software on the player" |
| 04:22:48 | swears|2 | Arkbuntu, have you figured out how to get album art to show up? |
| 04:22:59 | swears|2 | I've read it only takes .bmps |
| 04:23:11 | swears|2 | and they must be in the album folder |
| 04:23:15 | Arkbuntu | I don't use the album art. I barely look at the screen. |
| 04:23:15 | Llorean | It's pretty thoroughly explained on the AlbumArt wiki page. |
| 04:23:21 | swears|2 | ok |
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| 04:26:01 | xqtftqx | swears|2: just make a folder "music" and put it all in there and activate the database |
| 04:26:15 | swears|2 | yep, doing that now =_ |
| 04:26:17 | swears|2 | =) |
| 04:26:25 | xqtftqx | ok |
| 04:27:36 | swears|2 | Will the gigabeat F Themes work on my unit? |
| 04:29:55 | swears|2 | Nm, just tried, works! |
| 04:30:42 | Soap | Themes are resolution (and colour depth) specific, not player specific. |
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| 04:38:41 | Midtronic | howdy −− I just put rockbox on my 30g iPod video, and it won't play .flac. I was looking to see if I missed something to install, but I don't think so... is this a known bug, or am I doing something dumb? |
| 04:39:17 | Midtronic | I can read the filenames with no issue, but when I play, I don't get past 0:00 |
| 04:42:09 | Soap | what version of the encoder were they made with, what sample rate and bitd epth are they, do the files (from your iPod, not your computer's HDD) play fine on another player, and (I don't think this matters) what type of tags do they have. |
| 04:46:21 | Midtronic | ok, I'm not sure about the encoder version, but 16bit stereo @ 44.1 kHz |
| 04:46:30 | Midtronic | I'm going to try to play one right now.. |
| 04:47:24 | Midtronic | yeah, I can play off of the iPod just fine. |
| 04:48:54 | Midtronic | oh. I'm a dolt. Nevermind. |
| 04:55:17 | Llorean | Soap: Some encoders put ID3 tags on FLAC files, and this does cause problems for Rockbox afaik. |
| 04:55:28 | Llorean | Specifically I think this may be a default behaviour for grip |
| 04:57:05 | Midtronic | orly. Ok, I picked the wrong file to test... I just checked an id3'd flac and it didn't work |
| 04:57:50 | Llorean | The native tag format for FLAC is vorbis comment, and that's the type Rockbox expects them to have. |
| 04:58:18 | Midtronic | the fact that rockbox plays flac is worth the issue, imho. I'll figure some stuff out later, I guess. It probably wouldn't be too hard to write a converter, either |
| 04:58:47 | Llorean | Well if they have ID3 tags instead of Vorbis Comments, your encoder is doing something it shouldn't be. |
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| 04:59:11 | Midtronic | well, I've been using grip and haven't modified any of the settings |
| 04:59:14 | Midtronic | so it makes sense |
| 04:59:35 | Llorean | That being said, it's a bug that Rockbox fails rather than ignoring the tags and just treating the file as untagged. |
| 04:59:47 | Llorean | But properly tagged files *should* play fine. |
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| 05:02:08 | Soap | (assuming windows) Foobar2000 has everything you need, midgey |
| 05:02:15 | Soap | Midtronic even, sorry midgey |
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| 05:10:11 | Midtronic | nope.. I use m$ as little as possible. I'll look around cpan and see how easy it would be to write a perl script to just fix those files |
| 05:10:45 | Midtronic | thanks for the help though −− well-tagged files do, in fact, play just fine. I'll have some fun getting everything to work on rockbox |
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| 05:18:14 | wpyh | gevaerts: charging using RB's usb stack is very slow |
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| 05:22:25 | wpyh | to anyone trying to optimize bubbles, here's a good demo of polygon collision: http://lab.polygonal.de/wp-content/swf/motor/motor2_preview3.html |
| 05:22:44 | wpyh | I've looked at the source but I'm not sure I'm up to the task |
| 05:25:26 | Soap | wpyh, I assume you mean on the Sandisk Sansa? |
| 05:25:31 | Soap | (charging issue) |
| 05:26:12 | wpyh | no, I'm testing it on ipod video 5.5g |
| 05:26:21 | * | wpyh doesn't have a sansa :-\ |
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| 05:53:41 | Soap | Ok, three "Rockbox 3.0" thoughts which came to me while in the shower: |
| 05:54:26 | Soap | 1 - Has any thought been put into making a press release to send to all the usual suspects (including a "Digg" button from the homepage announcement) upon the release? |
| 05:56:05 | Soap | 2 - Has any thought been put into the idea (perhaps wrong on my part) that a 3.0 release will probably encourage much "little brother" installing (older brother installs it for his little brother) and thus a large number of people will (maybe?) introduced to Rockbox through their DAP as compared to through their web browser? |
| 05:57:03 | Soap | 2b - Maybe add a prominent "help" menu which could point people to the web site and to: |
| 05:57:31 | Soap | 2c - A .html / .pdf copy of the manual in the rockbox.zip file? |
| 05:57:50 | safetydan | Soap: actually the link to the website is not a bad idea. Possibly the error screens could also have a "Contact rockbox" link as well? |
| 05:58:03 | Soap | 3 - Perhaps a prominent mention of "3.0" on the bootsplash - something to visually distinguish 3.0 from SVN? |
| 05:59:13 | Soap | 3b - Perhaps from version 3.0 forward a modification of the SVN bootsplash? Something (again) to visually distinguish and remind people of the difference between "release" and "beta"? |
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| 06:00:12 | Soap | I guess points 2 and 3 both come down to the (wrong?) idea that Rockbox might (esp on aging iPods) get installed _for_ people instead of _by_ people. |
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| 06:04:14 | ipod | hey |
| 06:05:52 | ipod | how do i uninstall rockbox rite |
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| 06:06:25 | Soap | uninstallation instructions are in the manual |
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| 06:13:30 | swears|2 | does anyone know of a decent album art extractor? |
| 06:13:49 | swears|2 | meaning, takes album art from mp3 files and converts to bmp,jpg? |
| 06:18:32 | scorche|sh | that does really relate to rockbox... |
| 06:21:22 | swears|2 | sure it does, rockbox doesn't see my embedded album art |
| 06:21:34 | swears|2 | so I need to extract it to .bmp to be able to add it |
| 06:22:12 | scorche|sh | preparing your media for rockbox is not on-topic here...it does not directly relate to rockbox...i would recommend google |
| 06:24:45 | swears|2 | tried, only found itunes software |
| 06:39:11 | safetydan | swears|2: try the forums, I think a script has been mentioned there a few times |
| 06:39:25 | swears|2 | ok thanks =) |
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| 09:16:37 | amiconn | Llorean: Ondio SP is 9KB away from the rombox limit, not 5KB |
| 09:16:50 | * | amiconn miscalculated this yesterday |
| 09:19:11 | amiconn | The limit is 228KB for all archoses except Player (232KB there) |
| 09:22:02 | JdGordon | can we use better compression to get under again? |
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| 09:38:47 | * | wpyh wants a vx747 |
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| 09:43:39 | * | GodEater_ wants a boeing 747 |
| 09:44:58 | * | JdGordon has a boeing 747 |
| 09:45:03 | JdGordon | ... plastic model |
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| 09:46:48 | wpyh | ... |
| 09:56:57 | GodEater_ | JdGordon: do you really ? :) |
| 09:57:09 | JdGordon | 1:72 scale or something :p |
| 09:57:22 | GodEater_ | nice |
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| 10:06:28 | wpyh | hm... turns out I was wrong |
| 10:06:40 | wpyh | the disk mode of the OF gets 5.4MB/s |
| 10:06:48 | wpyh | while RB's usb stack gets 4.5 MB/s |
| 10:07:16 | wpyh | and the "firmware disk mode" of AppleOS gets ~12MB/s |
| 10:07:25 | wpyh | that's on an ipod video 5.5g 8GB |
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| 10:12:23 | GodEater_ | what ? |
| 10:12:30 | GodEater_ | that's completely backwards from what I've seen |
| 10:12:40 | GodEater_ | the OF is *waaaay* faster than disk mode |
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| 10:12:48 | wpyh | uh |
| 10:12:55 | GodEater_ | although you've got yours CF modded |
| 10:13:00 | wpyh | sorry, maybe I got the names wrong :( |
| 10:13:01 | GodEater_ | so maybe that makes a difference |
| 10:13:07 | wpyh | let's redo that |
| 10:13:13 | wpyh | 1. RB's usb stack: 4.5MB/s |
| 10:13:37 | wpyh | 2. RB without usb stack, using the white background disk mode: 5.4MB/s |
| 10:13:52 | wpyh | 3. Fully loaded OF's disk mode: ~12MB/s |
| 10:13:54 | wpyh | ok |
| 10:14:04 | wpyh | GodEater: how fast is yours? |
| 10:14:23 | GodEater_ | wpyh: ah - that makes more sense |
| 10:14:30 | GodEater_ | your original naming of the modes confused me |
| 10:14:35 | wpyh | yeah, I have trouble explaining the terms :p |
| 10:14:51 | wpyh | but I've tried this CF card inside my X32 |
| 10:14:54 | GodEater_ | I've not had a RB USB stack on my ipod for a while now though |
| 10:15:07 | wpyh | and I get 20MB/s _write_ speed, so it can definitely be improved |
| 10:15:19 | wpyh | read is about 30MB/s |
| 10:15:49 | wpyh | GodEater: I mean, with the OF loaded? |
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| 10:19:44 | pixelma | just curious, do you always copy the same data/amount and size of files? |
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| 11:03:43 | JdGordon | preglow: not a big deal... but next time you bump the api please remember to sort the functions at the end of the sturct into their proper places |
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| 11:13:06 | obo | stupid question time - the API version numbers are there to allow 3rd parties to host compiled .rock plugins? But AFAIK that doesn't happen? |
| 11:13:50 | JdGordon | also so you can just copy the rockbox bin to update |
| 11:13:55 | JdGordon | instead of the whole zip |
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| 11:14:51 | obo | okay - guess I am just too used to unzipping new builds |
| 11:16:48 | Nico_P | obo: compiled .rock plugins are against the GPL |
| 11:17:02 | JdGordon | no they arnt.... as long as the source is available |
| 11:17:19 | bertrik | obo, I wonder about that too, are there any 3rd party plugins at all? |
| 11:17:47 | JdGordon | wasnt one guy doing them for a short time ages ago because of the name policy? |
| 11:18:02 | obo | bertrik: I have a vague memory of that being mentioned years ago... but I don't know of any now |
| 11:19:00 | linuxstb | There were some for the H300 IIRC, but we just took the source and committed it ;) |
| 11:19:03 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I know, but I assumed that in obo's thought there was no source available... that's the typical scenario IMHO |
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| 11:19:35 | JdGordon | linuxstb: how rude of us :p |
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| 11:24:24 | petur | I think binary-only rocks are possible without violating GPL if you do not use any rockbox files |
| 11:24:53 | * | pixelma tries to imagine a binary only rock |
| 11:24:59 | petur | :) |
| 11:25:25 | petur | rocks are always binary, they are there or they are not ;) |
| 11:25:37 | Nico_P | petur: isn't that a grey area? I'll admit I don't know much though |
| 11:26:05 | petur | Nico_P: imho, that is what gpl v3 is all about... |
| 11:26:26 | petur | but I'm not an expert there as well |
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| 11:30:20 | SliMM | hello |
| 11:30:47 | SliMM | my iPod broke several days ago, so I need to buy a new player |
| 11:31:16 | SliMM | do you have any recommendations? |
| 11:32:04 | petur | SliMM: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
| 11:32:16 | linuxstb | You'll need to be more specific. i.e. how much storage do you want? Do you want FM, recording, .... ? |
| 11:32:24 | bertrik | I get the feeling that we're going through a lot of trouble just to support external plugins that nobody seems to know about anyway |
| 11:32:26 | SliMM | petur: ok, thanks |
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| 11:32:41 | SliMM | bertrik: I got used to the iPod, but radio would be great |
| 11:32:43 | bertrik | ok, maybe not a _lot_ of trouble |
| 11:33:16 | SliMM | linuxstb: that last one was for you, sorry |
| 11:33:47 | petur | bertrik: interface version checking is always good to rule out weird crashes |
| 11:34:11 | linuxstb | SliMM: That doesn't help much... Which ipod did you have? How much storage do you want? Do you want flash or hard disk? |
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| 11:34:58 | petur | hmmm that buyersguide page is missing some targets... |
| 11:35:00 | SliMM | linuxstb: 30 GB + would also be great, but I need at least 15 |
| 11:35:17 | SliMM | I guess it's hard disk |
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| 11:35:44 | linuxstb | The gigabeat F is a cheap (on ebay) and popular (for Rockbox) player. |
| 11:36:08 | SliMM | linuxstb: that's what I had in mind |
| 11:36:23 | bertrik | petur: yes I agree on that, but we might as well use (say) the svn version number instead of having to manually increase the API version number |
| 11:36:25 | SliMM | linuxstb: which other players work as well (fast) as gigabeat |
| 11:36:27 | SliMM | ? |
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| 11:37:21 | petur | bertrik: well it is nice to be able to use multiple compatible rockbox binaries with the same plugins (when testing) |
| 11:37:26 | linuxstb | None really. There are various new ports in development, but none have reached the stage of official daily builds. |
| 11:38:38 | SliMM | linuxstb: what about cowon iAudio x5/x5l? |
| 11:38:49 | markun | not as fast |
| 11:38:56 | linuxstb | SliMM: I've never used one. |
| 11:39:30 | GodEater_ | there are no targets faster than the gigabeat F currently |
| 11:39:47 | SliMM | is X5L fast? |
| 11:39:53 | GodEater_ | define "fast" |
| 11:39:57 | SliMM | my iPod wasn't fast at all |
| 11:40:04 | SliMM | GodEater_: "not lagging" |
| 11:40:11 | GodEater_ | no, the iPod video has about the worst user experience in terms of speed |
| 11:40:16 | GodEater_ | the X5L should be much nicer |
| 11:40:32 | markun | SliMM: what do you want to use your player for? |
| 11:40:33 | GodEater_ | <caveat>I've never used one though</caveat> |
| 11:40:47 | linuxstb | The X5L has a much lower resolution screen (160x128 IIRC), so the CPU can easily cope with it. |
| 11:40:48 | markun | SliMM: and do you know this page? http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide |
| 11:40:52 | SliMM | markun: listening to music and perhaps radio |
| 11:41:00 | markun | no radio on the gigabeat |
| 11:41:11 | SliMM | markun: that's the page I'm surfing right now |
| 11:41:11 | markun | only the S, but it's not fully supported yet |
| 11:41:25 | markun | oops, I see petur gave you the link already |
| 11:41:34 | linuxstb | Is there still no charging in Rockbox for the S? |
| 11:41:36 | SliMM | he did :-) |
| 11:42:31 | SliMM | what's the largest MicroSD card available on the market at the moment? |
| 11:42:44 | JdGordon|uni | 8 |
| 11:42:48 | JdGordon|uni | maybe 16 |
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| 11:43:26 | SliMM | JdGordon|uni: hmm... ok |
| 11:43:48 | SliMM | JdGordon|uni: rockbox supports up to 32, right? (when it appears) |
| 11:44:28 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: not that I'm aware of - I still have to charge in the OF |
| 11:45:08 | SliMM | a monochrome player is also tempting, because I am very curious about the greyscale lib |
| 11:45:17 | GodEater_ | 16GB MicroSDHC cards are the largest I've seen on sale so far, and yes, Rockbox supports up to 32GB in theory |
| 11:45:20 | bertrik | SliMM: to get more than 4GB you need an SDHC MicroSD card. The SDHC spec allows up to 32 GB |
| 11:45:52 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Also, do you know anything about the Windows version of sendfirm I saw committed to SVN? i.e. is it working well? |
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| 11:46:16 | SliMM | x5l or e200? |
| 11:46:40 | SliMM | + 8/16 gb card |
| 11:47:03 | linuxstb | The X5L doesn't take cards... |
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| 11:47:12 | linuxstb | (if that's what you meant...) |
| 11:47:43 | SliMM | linuxstb: no, I mean which one do you think is better |
| 11:47:52 | SliMM | which one would you buy |
| 11:48:40 | amiconn | petur: Binary only rocks aren't possible at all, wrt licensing |
| 11:49:34 | petur | why? |
| 11:50:20 | amiconn | Plugins need to use api functions in order to do anything, and the core is gpl |
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| 11:51:31 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: windows sendfirm works beatufully |
| 11:51:55 | pixelma | beastifully? |
| 11:52:05 | GodEater_ | SliMM: why are you asking *us* which we think is better? It's your choice, not ours :) |
| 11:52:16 | GodEater_ | pixelma: yes, that works nicely :) |
| 11:52:32 | petur | well if you don't use any rockbox code to make your plugin.... is calling a function at a certain address in violation with gpl? |
| 11:52:54 | SliMM | well, it is, but I have never used either, so perhaps you have some reasons for choosing one or the other |
| 11:53:24 | GodEater_ | SliMM: perhaps we do - but perhaps they're not relevant to your choices |
| 11:53:38 | GodEater_ | one is flash based, one is HD based - which option do you want ? |
| 11:54:06 | SliMM | GodEater_: they may not be relevant, but they could |
| 11:54:20 | SliMM | GodEater_: well, I don't really mind |
| 11:55:27 | GodEater_ | SliMM: if you don't really mind, then toss a coin |
| 11:55:54 | GodEater_ | personally, I'd use neither, and would get a Gigabeat F |
| 11:55:56 | SliMM | GodEater_: let's go for flash |
| 11:56:09 | SliMM | GodEater_: but it has no radio |
| 11:56:19 | GodEater_ | I couldn't care less |
| 11:56:25 | GodEater_ | there's nothing on the radio I wish to listen to |
| 11:56:27 | markun | SliMM: or buy a Gigabeat S if you are feeling adventurous |
| 11:56:32 | markun | it has a radio |
| 11:56:41 | markun | do you want FM or also DAB? |
| 11:56:41 | GodEater_ | markun: it does ? |
| 11:56:44 | GodEater_ | news to me... |
| 11:56:53 | markun | GodEater_: oh, maybe it doesn't.. |
| 11:57:04 | SliMM | markun: what is DAB? |
| 11:57:04 | GodEater_ | I've never seen an option for the radio in the OF. |
| 11:57:13 | GodEater_ | Digital Radio |
| 11:57:29 | amiconn | petur: yes |
| 11:57:31 | SliMM | it doesn't ring any bells |
| 11:57:42 | SliMM | what's digital radio? |
| 11:57:55 | GodEater_ | radio that is broadcast digitally... |
| 11:58:03 | GodEater_ | as opposed to analogue radio, which isn't :) |
| 11:58:17 | * | GodEater_ recommends wikipedia for the details |
| 11:58:22 | SliMM | hmm, I think I know what you mean |
| 11:58:23 | markun | SliMM: maybe it doesn't exist in your country. Where do you live? |
| 11:58:31 | SliMM | Romania |
| 11:58:45 | * | GodEater_ discovers a USB bluetooth module in a PC he just acquired |
| 11:58:49 | SliMM | i think there are several "digital radio" stations |
| 11:59:00 | markun | GodEater_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSInfo#FM_Tuner |
| 11:59:04 | SliMM | but i've never thought of them that way |
| 11:59:04 | markun | only 60GB models |
| 11:59:15 | GodEater_ | markun: I *have* a 60GB model |
| 11:59:23 | markun | strange |
| 11:59:23 | GodEater_ | and still never noticed it had a radio option in the OF |
| 11:59:29 | SliMM | markun: does x5l support DAB? |
| 11:59:38 | GodEater_ | no current RB targets support DAB |
| 11:59:50 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: does your S have a radio ? |
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| 12:00:01 | SliMM | GodEater_: so I won't be able to listen to digital radio stations? |
| 12:00:24 | GodEater_ | SliMM: not for a while. linuxstb is working on a DAB capable target, but it won't be ready for a while. |
| 12:00:24 | pixelma | there are some D2s (port in progress) which have the hardware but it's not used by Rockbox yet |
| 12:00:33 | markun | SliMM: the Cowon D2 supports DAB |
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| 12:01:02 | markun | but the port is still in progress |
| 12:01:16 | DerPapst | GodEater_: iirc mine has radio in rockbox (gigabeast 60GB) |
| 12:02:02 | GodEater_ | wow - jhMikes implemented that already ? :) |
| 12:02:09 | * | GodEater_ goes fishing in his bag for his S |
| 12:02:10 | SliMM | hmm, my pen-radio works with all the stations around, so I suppose they are broadcasting standardly [as well] |
| 12:02:52 | markun | SliMM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_implementations_of_DAB#Romania |
| 12:03:03 | markun | so very few |
| 12:03:27 | GodEater_ | DerPapst: what svn are you running on your S ? |
| 12:04:16 | SliMM | markun: i won't worry about dab then :-) |
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| 12:07:17 | DerPapst | GodEater_: seems like i confused it with my e200 ;) 4 rockboxed targets is too much for me... |
| 12:07:18 | * | DerPapst hides |
| 12:07:46 | homielowe | /me hopes were lifted then crushed by DerPapst |
| 12:08:08 | * | GodEater_ prepares to string DerPapst up |
| 12:08:40 | * | DerPapst feels sorry... |
| 12:10:56 | * | GodEater_ wonders if there's a way to tell if the FM tuner is present by looking in the debug menu |
| 12:15:04 | * | GodEater_ takes down the gallows and apologises a lot to DerPapst. |
| 12:15:11 | GodEater_ | there *is* a radop option in the OF. |
| 12:15:18 | GodEater_ | I've just never noticed it before :( |
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| 12:21:19 | GodEater_ | reception is absolutely bloody dreadful |
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| 12:31:26 | wpyh | this article is very good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collision_detection |
| 12:31:49 | wpyh | but I get dizzy reading it |
| 12:32:09 | wpyh | (that was for anyone who wanted to optimize bubbles.c) |
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| 12:41:46 | preglow | pixelma: around now |
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| 13:04:43 | pixelma | preglow: wanted to ask about the changes in the sound settings chapter, especially the bass and treble settings for the Archos players with the empty {}. The info wasn't there before so I take it as a sign to fill it out? Otherwise it's not needed at all... |
| 13:06:32 | preglow | i'll have a look at it again, those changes are quite old... |
| 13:06:51 | pixelma | I also wondered about labelled > labeled and according to my dictionary (and linuxstb) "labeled" is American English |
| 13:07:59 | preglow | pixelma: so it seems, i'll fix thqt |
| 13:08:01 | preglow | that too |
| 13:08:11 | pixelma | already changed it back locally |
| 13:08:14 | * | wpyh thinks it should be labelled (with the double l) |
| 13:08:39 | preglow | it should |
| 13:08:47 | preglow | pixelma: feel free to commit :) |
| 13:10:54 | pixelma | and prepared another tiny change in the sound settings chapter (not related to the bass/treble thing) but wanted to wait whether another change is needed for the latter or not |
| 13:11:02 | preglow | pixelma: well, i see no reason to not fill it out unless those targets have no tone controls |
| 13:11:14 | pixelma | they do |
| 13:11:34 | preglow | if you know the limits of them feel free to fill them in |
| 13:11:39 | preglow | i'd have to go look in the source code |
| 13:11:55 | pixelma | ok, I'll fill it out too while I'm at it. Well, I can look them up |
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| 13:13:24 | pixelma | but first lunch |
| 13:13:43 | preglow | agreed :) |
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| 13:18:34 | tucoz | pixelma: while you are at it. do you think you can add that "set as backdrop" description to the context menu as well? |
| 13:18:46 | tucoz | I'll fix the fm-radio screenshots tonight |
| 13:19:07 | tangerine | may I ask a question about bootloader, please? |
| 13:19:07 | tangerine | may I ask a question about bootloader, please? |
| 13:19:27 | JdGordon | yes, but only one... |
| 13:19:39 | JdGordon | well.. 2 because you asked twice... and we are generous |
| 13:20:06 | tangerine | I follow the manual, am logged in as Admin, but B/L cannot find the iPod? |
| 13:20:06 | tangerine | I follow the manual, am logged in as Admin, but B/L cannot find the iPod? |
| 13:20:21 | tucoz | echo echo |
| 13:20:30 | JdGordon | is it a supported ipod? |
| 13:20:43 | tangerine | Classic 80GB |
| 13:20:44 | tangerine | Classic 80GB |
| 13:20:47 | JdGordon | then no |
| 13:21:12 | tangerine | hmm bugger, thanks :) |
| 13:21:13 | tangerine | hmm bugger, thanks :) |
| 13:21:49 | pixelma | tucoz: I'll try |
| 13:21:53 | Thundercloud | wtf :P |
| 13:21:59 | tucoz | great :) |
| 13:22:33 | * | DerPapst should dink less... he sees aa few things already twice o.O |
| 13:22:46 | DerPapst | ...and types a few things twice ^^ |
| 13:23:05 | pixelma | yes, and can't type "drink" anymore :P |
| 13:23:18 | DerPapst | bleh :P |
| 13:23:48 | tangerine | excuse me for the double entries, not sure why it happens |
| 13:23:48 | tangerine | excuse me for the double entries, not sure why it happens |
| 13:24:04 | * | DerPapst wonders if he can type one single line without typo or broken grammar ;) |
| 13:28:25 | tangerine | Will the Classic be supported at all? |
| 13:28:25 | tangerine | Will the Classic be supported at all? |
| 13:28:46 | DerPapst | no one knows. but probably not in the near future |
| 13:36:25 | tangerine | thanks for you help, ciao |
| 13:36:25 | tangerine | thanks for you help, ciao |
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| 14:09:47 | jac0b|w | hey PaulJam did you try that flac file I posted on here |
| 14:09:56 | PaulJam | no |
| 14:12:44 | jac0b|w | I looked at what version I was using to encode my flac's which is 1.2.1 |
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| 14:13:16 | jac0b|w | which was causing the artifacts |
| 14:14:21 | PaulJam | jac0b|w: i'm not a develloper, so i dont think i can help you much there. |
| 14:14:23 | jac0b|w | I tried encoding it with 1.2.0 and in the sim it plays fine, I will trying it on my player in a few minutes here |
| 14:14:33 | jac0b|w | ok |
| 14:15:55 | PaulJam | it would be nice if you could open a bugreport with a (short!) example file. |
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| 14:17:03 | * | preglow finds he has forgotten how to update a lang file... |
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| 14:17:28 | jac0b|w | I think I will |
| 14:17:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: The <dest> tags are the ones you want to edit with the new language data. |
| 14:17:53 | jac0b|w | is linuxstb available |
| 14:17:54 | PaulJam | preglow: you could use the translation page from rasher :) |
| 14:18:14 | preglow | no, i mean how to sync a lang file to the english one |
| 14:18:19 | xqtftqx | jac0b|w: Have you bean here all night? |
| 14:18:19 | preglow | there's a tool for it, i think... |
| 14:18:39 | jac0b|w | no |
| 14:18:49 | jac0b|w | I left last nite 10pm EST |
| 14:18:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | preglow: There is IIRC. |
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| 14:19:03 | preglow | ahh, genlang does that as well |
| 14:19:10 | xqtftqx | oh |
| 14:19:19 | * | LambdaCalculus37 smacks forehead |
| 14:19:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | *That's* what it was! |
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| 14:20:16 | xqtftqx | what what was? |
| 14:20:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | The tool preglow was talking about. |
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| 14:22:40 | preglow | is genlang buggy or what? |
| 14:22:56 | pixelma | why? |
| 14:23:42 | preglow | it seems to spit out different errors depending on order of options |
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| 14:24:18 | preglow | bah, it uses a non-standard options format |
| 14:24:49 | preglow | -e=english.lang, single hyphen options never take a = before the argument |
| 14:25:03 | pixelma | never tried different options so couldn't know |
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| 14:27:03 | preglow | 'none' is better than '""' when there is no string for a target, yes? |
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| 14:28:49 | pixelma | yes, "" would include an empty string |
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| 14:39:17 | preglow | sure are a lot of "" here |
| 14:39:50 | preglow | especially in dest strings, for some reason |
| 14:40:22 | preglow | how i would love a higher level editor for this stuff |
| 14:44:15 | preglow | someone has actually managed to put "deprecated" as a string in a depreacted lang string |
| 14:45:10 | preglow | does the deprecated desc string need to be upper case? |
| 14:45:30 | pixelma | I can only see "" in deprecated strings, voice only strings and in the voice part of strings... I think all of those have a reason although I couldn't explain the first one |
| 14:45:47 | preglow | yeah, LANG_RECORD_CURRENT_DIR has a deprecated placed as a string |
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| 14:50:57 | * | preglow wonders if we'll have a lang file cleanup before this release |
| 14:52:16 | linuxstb | jac0b|w: That's interesting - so it would seem that our flac decoder still has problems with the new 24-bit features in 1.2.1... |
| 14:53:05 | jac0b|w | I am listening to a flac encoded with 1.2.0 and it is playing fine |
| 14:53:23 | linuxstb | Yes, that makes sense. |
| 14:53:44 | jac0b|w | so it seems to be that flacs in 24-bit 96khz encoded using 1.2.1 play with artifacts |
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| 14:54:13 | * | markun appears |
| 14:54:25 | jac0b|w | I guess I will downgrade to 1.2.0 |
| 14:54:34 | linuxstb | markun: Seems the flac fixes you committed for 1.2.1 aren't working. |
| 14:54:40 | markun | that's too bad |
| 14:54:53 | jac0b|w | I got a file if you want to test it |
| 14:54:55 | markun | but I don't have time to look into it |
| 14:55:01 | linuxstb | markun: Did you test them originally, or just commit blindly? |
| 14:55:07 | Lear | I tested a 24-bit flac recently, using 1.2.1, and that one was fine, IIRC. |
| 14:55:36 | linuxstb | jac0b|w: I don't have time either at the moment... |
| 14:55:45 | markun | linuxstb: blindly I think |
| 14:56:01 | jac0b|w | I can try it again using 1.2.1 to see if I get the artifacts |
| 14:56:01 | * | linuxstb goes to check if there were any more changes in ffmpeg |
| 14:56:31 | jac0b|w | Lear: 24-bit 96khz |
| 14:56:41 | Lear | Yes. Just the one file, but... |
| 14:56:45 | markun | linuxstb: does ffmpeg decode them correctly? |
| 14:57:21 | linuxstb | markun: I don't know... |
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| 14:58:46 | jac0b|w | Lear: try this one on your player http://www.divshare.com/download/4941952-a52 |
| 14:58:47 | linuxstb | There doesn't seem to be any further commits to ffmpeg's flac decoder since those two patches by Josh Coalson... |
| 14:59:49 | preglow | so VOICE_ entries can use "none" for strings too, yes? |
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| 15:00:03 | Lear | jac0b|w: Ok, downloading... |
| 15:00:35 | pixelma | preglow: they need to, to keep the lang file and the voice file in sync (IIUC) |
| 15:02:01 | jac0b|w | linuxstb & markun maybe also try that file to see if they play ok on your players |
| 15:03:47 | sdoyon | Could anyone please explain briefly about the plugin buffer vs audio buffer? |
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| 15:04:14 | GodEater_ | sdoyon: what do you want to know ? |
| 15:04:25 | sdoyon | How are they allocated. |
| 15:04:32 | linuxstb | sdoyon: The plugin buffer is a fixed size (512KB for most SWCODEC targets, 32KB for HWCODEC). This is where plugins are loaded to and run from (code and all data lives there). |
| 15:04:47 | linuxstb | The audio buffer is simply all RAM that is left after everything else is allocated. |
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| 15:05:29 | linuxstb | The location of the plugin buffer is fixed at the end of RAM - all plugin code is linked to execute from that fixed address. The audio buffer can move around |
| 15:05:52 | sdoyon | Ah. Plugin buffer is fixed size... OK. |
| 15:06:31 | sdoyon | What plugins can HWCODEC run, given the size difference? |
| 15:07:25 | * | GodEater_ has no HWCODEC targets, so doesn't know. |
| 15:08:14 | pixelma | almost all, there is also the possibility that plugins can grab the audio buffer which e.g. chessbox does on the low-mem targets (music needs to stop then) |
| 15:08:45 | sdoyon | Ah. |
| 15:09:08 | pixelma | all with ports which work at the given screen size and on the CPU |
| 15:09:37 | sdoyon | My interest is related to midgey's project. Trying to figure out how/where RAM is to be saved. |
| 15:10:22 | pixelma | voice doesn't work anyways as long as music plays on HWCODEC |
| 15:11:12 | sdoyon | Sure, but half the objective is about lang strings and the ability to translate them. |
| 15:12:17 | sdoyon | I see a couple of plugins with binsize >32K. Is the audio buffer grabbed at load time, or by the plugin itself? (Admittedly I'm checking with the wrong arch...) |
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| 15:12:56 | preglow | pixelma: VOICE_EXT_TXT also has a stray "deprecated" |
| 15:13:32 | GodEater_ | sdoyon: it has to be grabbed by the plugin itself |
| 15:13:47 | GodEater_ | so I guess if the bin size is over 32kb to start off with, those won't run |
| 15:16:12 | sdoyon | Thanks. |
| 15:17:22 | Lear | jac0b|w: It plays, but it is a little noisy here and there... |
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| 15:21:20 | jac0b|w | weird noises |
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| 15:22:01 | jac0b|w | Lear: weird noises |
| 15:24:29 | Lear | Kind of like ticking now and then. Could it be digital clipping? Don't really know what that sounds like though. |
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| 15:26:33 | jac0b|w | I guess I need to record it in my soundcard input |
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| 15:29:34 | preglow | recording screen still has a thing for sysfont, i see |
| 15:29:57 | petur | it is being converted to viewports |
| 15:30:44 | preglow | goodie |
| 15:30:59 | preglow | but will that solve the problem of it trying to diusplay shitloads of info on one screen and really needing a small font? |
| 15:31:37 | petur | the top info will be fixed, the items you can now select will become a list |
| 15:32:32 | preglow | grand |
| 15:32:39 | preglow | that sounds promising |
| 15:33:00 | preglow | planning on having that ready for 3.0, btw? |
| 15:33:19 | petur | would love to but need to find time :/ |
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| 15:35:16 | Strife89 | Okay, guys, ONCE AGAIN I am trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong, that I can't make a Normal build from the Rockbox source code. I can compile a working simulator, but I ALWAYS run into problems when building a Normal build or a Manual. |
| 15:35:27 | Strife89 | Please, just help me to figure out how to do this, and I'll stick up an entire Wiki page in return: "The Guide to Compiling for Ubuntu Newcomers". How about that? :) |
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| 15:35:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: Did you set your PATH up according to the wiki? |
| 15:36:05 | Strife89 | That's where I'm stuck. :( |
| 15:36:15 | Strife89 | Where's PATH? |
| 15:36:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | Open a terminal and type echo $PATH. That'll show you what your PATH is. |
| 15:37:25 | Strife89 | Oh........ |
| 15:37:35 | Strife89 | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games |
| 15:37:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ahh, you didn't add the compilers to your PATH. |
| 15:38:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | Type nano ~/.bashrc at the prompt. |
| 15:38:34 | Strife89 | Okay, last line? |
| 15:38:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. At the bottom, add "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin:/usr/local/sh-elf/bin" (without the quotes!) |
| 15:39:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then press CTRL-X, save, and close the terminal and reopen it. |
| 15:39:38 | preglow | assuming compilers are in /usr/local |
| 15:40:01 | Strife89 | Okay, done. |
| 15:40:03 | mcuelenaere | will this be seen as a hack or is it ok? http://pastebin.com/d2447fcf9 |
| 15:40:31 | mcuelenaere | LambdaCalculus37: did you get a chance to test FS #9006 yesterday? |
| 15:40:51 | Strife89 | Nice! Thank you, Lambda! :) |
| 15:41:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | mcuelenaere: I didn't have a chance because my brother was borrowing my PowerBook for a little while to sync his iPod with some new music. |
| 15:41:54 | mcuelenaere | k |
| 15:43:06 | JdGordon | wpyh: maze is good to go? |
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| 15:48:39 | pondlife | sdoyon: FWIW, I'm not having any of the reported crashes with the tdspeed patch.... |
| 15:48:51 | pondlife | What's preventing that being committed? |
| 15:51:12 | sdoyon | pondlife: err... dunno? Have had very few comments on it. Frankly I dumped it there, it's still a bit raw, but very useful to me. Some people were horrified that some of the buffering didn't use IRAM... |
| 15:51:33 | pondlife | It now uses IRAM if speed = 100%, right? |
| 15:51:43 | pondlife | i.e. no loss of performance unless you enable it. |
| 15:51:59 | pondlife | I'm using it daily, with no problems. |
| 15:52:05 | sdoyon | pondlife: Right. |
| 15:52:21 | sdoyon | pondlife: I haven't checked on the reported crashes yet. Could be with the older version perhaps? |
| 15:52:51 | pondlife | I reckon there's no downside to including it, aside from the extra code. But probably needs testing on E200 more. |
| 15:53:08 | pondlife | The old version didn't crash either, here. |
| 15:53:10 | sdoyon | I use it on e200 every day, but with no fancy effects. |
| 15:53:27 | sdoyon | Well come to think of it, the change shouldn't have fixed anything. |
| 15:53:54 | sdoyon | I have no objections to committing it if it's wanted. |
| 15:54:23 | pondlife | I think it's a great feature for audio books |
| 15:54:28 | pondlife | And podcasts |
| 15:54:39 | pondlife | But I'm particularly impatient.. ;) |
| 15:55:18 | pondlife | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17729.0 was a request for it, don't know if you saw that. |
| 15:55:48 | sdoyon | Oh? I must admit I don't read the forums much. |
| 15:56:04 | pondlife | Me neither, but I noticed the subject line... |
| 15:57:02 | sdoyon | Ah yes. Well it's been a feature request load of times too. |
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| 15:57:21 | sdoyon | Would any of the DSP gurus say it's OK to commit as is? |
| 15:58:14 | pondlife | As long as it doesn't affect stuff when it's disabled, I can't see a major objection... it's more likely to get improved then too. |
| 15:58:38 | pondlife | i.e. It doesn't change either IRAM usage, or sound quality when not in use. |
| 15:59:28 | sdoyon | A bit of RAM usage for the alternate buffers I guess. Le me see how much. |
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| 16:02:26 | sdoyon | Hmm about 80K I think. |
| 16:03:20 | bertrik | If i go to the status bar in the status/scroll bar settings in the LCD display settings menu, going back without making a change still shows "cancelled", is this intentional? |
| 16:04:00 | bertrik | Hardly any other setting behaves like this, except for the settings in the voice setting menu. |
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| 16:07:08 | SynthFanom | i made a few dumps of sansa v2 firmware , text dumps everything exept pictures can that be useful to devs? |
| 16:09:47 | sdoyon | pondlife: jhMikeS annd preglow both commented on that task. Perhaps get their opinion? I have the impression I'll get bashed if I just commit this. |
| 16:10:07 | pondlife | Good idea |
| 16:11:10 | sdoyon | pondlife: what's up with speaking current time in info screen? Did you try my patch? |
| 16:11:16 | pondlife | No, sorry |
| 16:11:22 | pondlife | Not had time (so to speak) |
| 16:11:33 | sdoyon | :-) |
| 16:11:36 | SynthFanom | actually i've did ascii rips outta the e series v2 sansa update firmware , leaving graphics behind is that something to commit? |
| 16:12:20 | PaulJam | bertrik: it seems there is something wrong with this setting. i just did what you described and now the main viewport in the WPS seems to have moved down by the statusbar height. |
| 16:12:26 | sdoyon | pondlife: Know what you mean. This morning is special for me: my first >3hours off for myself since a while ;-). |
| 16:12:45 | pondlife | hehe, I dream of such a day |
| 16:13:10 | bertrik | PaulJam: ah I had noticed that once, but could never reproduce it again |
| 16:13:43 | bertrik | PaulJam: it may a separate issue though |
| 16:13:57 | sdoyon | pondlife: Anyway that patch is attached to your task. Let me know... |
| 16:14:01 | wpyh | JdGordon: you there? |
| 16:14:06 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 16:14:10 | pondlife | Will do, eventually... |
| 16:14:15 | JdGordon | you better not say i need to revert :D |
| 16:14:30 | PaulJam | bertrik: probably, maybe JdGordon knows what is going on there. |
| 16:15:02 | wpyh | JdGordon: you committed it? |
| 16:15:04 | wpyh | let me check |
| 16:15:05 | wpyh | :p |
| 16:15:08 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 16:15:24 | JdGordon | bertrik: hmm... no, it shouldnt say anything |
| 16:15:30 | JdGordon | s/say/splash |
| 16:15:32 | * | JdGordon goes to check |
| 16:16:03 | bertrik | JdGordon: I think the "cancelled" is caused by the F_TEMPVAR settings attribute, set in settings_list.c line 471 |
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| 16:17:24 | JdGordon | oh right... yes.. then it is meant to happen |
| 16:17:49 | JdGordon | except is the logic wrong? |
| 16:18:11 | wpyh | JdGordon: I noticed the yield() at the end is missing |
| 16:18:11 | JdGordon | no, its right... |
| 16:18:20 | JdGordon | wpyh: i removed it.. its not needed |
| 16:18:27 | JdGordon | the button call does that |
| 16:18:35 | wpyh | oh, ok |
| 16:18:36 | wpyh | thanks :) |
| 16:18:45 | * | wpyh thought it was necessary |
| 16:18:58 | wpyh | *neccesary |
| 16:19:01 | JdGordon | no... the button call is blocking |
| 16:19:03 | wpyh | whatever |
| 16:19:03 | wpyh | :p |
| 16:19:05 | wpyh | oh.. |
| 16:19:08 | JdGordon | its needed if its not blocking |
| 16:19:27 | JdGordon | bertrik: it should only show the splash if the value was changed but cancel was pressed |
| 16:19:29 | wpyh | i see :) |
| 16:21:19 | JdGordon | bertrik: ah, I see what your saying... yeah should be fixed |
| 16:22:21 | * | pixelma wonders if the maze controls work fully on all keypads |
| 16:23:40 | bertrik | JdGordon: shall I submit a bug report? |
| 16:23:58 | JdGordon | no point... commiting a fix now |
| 16:24:12 | bertrik | ok, that's why I asked :) |
| 16:24:39 | jac0b|w | Lear: I d/l'ed that file and all the pops and hisses are the noise I am talking about |
| 16:25:00 | bertrik | I mean, not to push you to fix it immediately, but to prevent an unnecessary tracker entry |
| 16:25:48 | JdGordon | no worries.. I like quick fixes |
| 16:26:10 | jac0b|w | Lear: is that waht you heard a bunch of pops and hisses? |
| 16:26:14 | jac0b|w | what* |
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| 16:28:36 | Lear | jac0b|w: Not really. Didn't listen to all of it though. |
| 16:28:54 | jac0b|w | at least up to around 1:20 |
| 16:29:52 | linuxstb | Lear: Do you have a recent version of ffmpeg/mplayer handy to test that flac file? |
| 16:29:53 | wpyh | pixelma: I wonder... |
| 16:30:31 | jac0b|w | I tested using the flac test not ffmpeg |
| 16:30:55 | Lear | linuxstb: Maybe if I could get it played via ffdshow... Played it in Foobar though. |
| 16:31:55 | linuxstb | I would expect foobar to be using libFLAC though. |
| 16:32:09 | jac0b|w | Lear: it played fine in foobar right |
| 16:32:35 | jac0b|w | but on the player or sim you get pops and hisses |
| 16:33:27 | JdGordon | sdoyon: your turn :p |
| 16:37:22 | mcuelenaere | is there some kind of general NAND ID array in Rockbox somewhere? (AFAICT these are separated into each ata-nand-* driver and could benefit of centralisation) |
| 16:37:28 | sdoyon | JdGordon: Coming up. (You scared me for a minute I thought you meant red). |
| 16:37:38 | JdGordon | hehe no :) |
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| 16:39:36 | bertrik | mcuelenaere: no idea, but have you ever looked at CFI (common flash interface)? It's a mechanism implemented by a lot of flash chips to query the geometry of a flash chip directly (among other things) instead of looking it up in a table by ID |
| 16:40:18 | maffe | Rockbox skips an MP3 file which is larger than 2 GB :( |
| 16:40:39 | maffe | original X5 firmware plays it |
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| 16:41:54 | mcuelenaere | bertrik: no, I'll take a look |
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| 16:43:42 | * | wpyh wonders what mp3 file could be that huge |
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| 16:47:11 | maffe | wpyh: recorded the top 517 part of a top 750 radio show |
| 16:47:17 | maffe | 40 hours |
| 16:47:26 | jac0b|w | okay I got a file of what I hear when I play the file on my player or sim check this out http://www.divshare.com/download/4945292-74f |
| 16:47:46 | wpyh | wow |
| 16:47:57 | jac0b|w | all those pops/noises is not supposed to be there |
| 16:49:18 | jac0b|w | Lear: tell if that is what you hear when you play the song |
| 16:50:03 | Lear | Sounds worse in the sim, with some hissing, yes. More subtle on my e200... |
| 16:50:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | maffe: So why not run the MP3 file through an audio editor, and snip it apart into more manageable chunks? |
| 16:50:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then you'll have files that Rockbox can play. |
| 16:50:47 | maffe | that's what I plan to do since 2001 |
| 16:51:01 | * | wpyh thinks the implementation of bubbles is overly simplistic |
| 16:51:26 | jac0b|w | but if you play the original in foobar or some other player it plays fine it seems to be something with rb |
| 16:51:32 | * | preglow thinks more of our enable settings should be "on/off", not "yes/no" |
| 16:51:34 | preglow | anyone for? |
| 16:51:43 | * | LambdaCalculus37 raises his hand |
| 16:51:46 | wpyh | preglow: count me in |
| 16:51:58 | * | wpyh is slow |
| 16:52:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | Two so far... |
| 16:52:41 | * | bertrik hadn't noticed that as a problem yet |
| 16:52:51 | jac0b|w | I guess I will have to re-encode these files using flac 1.2.0 |
| 16:52:59 | preglow | it's not a problem, it just seems weird to say yes/no instead of on/off |
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| 16:56:07 | maffe | I wonder if large files in other formats would fail, too |
| 16:56:23 | maffe | 2 GB WAV would be not _that_ long |
| 16:56:34 | maffe | (the MP3 is only 128 kbps) |
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| 16:57:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | maffe: Still, why not try snipping it apart? It certainly wouldn't hurt. ;) |
| 16:57:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | And keep the larger 2GB file aside somewhere. |
| 16:57:41 | maffe | cutting MP3 sucks |
| 16:57:59 | maffe | at least when using the bit reservoir |
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| 16:58:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: Is the compiler working now? |
| 16:58:45 | Strife89 | Yep. Thank you. :) |
| 16:59:03 | Strife89 | Is it possible to buld the manual as a .txt file? |
| 16:59:08 | Strife89 | *build |
| 16:59:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | IIRC only PDF and HTML for now. |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:18 | Strife89 | Okay. :) |
| 17:00:58 | Strife89 | I figured it would be helpful to have the manual on my device. :D |
| 17:01:58 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinks a lynx-like HTML viewer would be good for Rockbox |
| 17:02:18 | * | pondlife would prefer a PDF viewer.. |
| 17:02:28 | Bensawsome | hey guys im trying to fix all the old themes i have since most of them were broken by the new theme format and I found the thread on them and it says "%P and %m have been removed" so does that mean I just delete those lines from the .wps files? |
| 17:02:29 | scorche|sh | html is awfully tough to render...especially for mobile targets =/ |
| 17:02:39 | Strife89 | Yeah, but with the images? Especially on a small screen like the Sansa c200s........ |
| 17:02:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | scorche|sh: That's why I said "lynx-like HTML viewer". ;) |
| 17:02:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Text-only. |
| 17:03:02 | pondlife | I'm thinking of stuff like bus and train maps... PDF images.. ;) |
| 17:03:06 | Strife89 | Ah. |
| 17:03:17 | pondlife | I can do text already. |
| 17:03:28 | pondlife | For now I use JPGs |
| 17:03:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | Same. |
| 17:04:08 | Strife89 | Has anyone ever thought about that, though? Including the manual in the daily builds as a .txt? |
| 17:04:09 | mcuelenaere | bertrik: do you know if Samsung even implement CFI in their chips? |
| 17:04:34 | scorche|sh | Strife89: yes |
| 17:04:40 | bertrik | mcuelenaere: no, i'd have to look it up in the datasheet |
| 17:04:59 | * | pondlife spots http://blog.kowalczyk.info/software/sumatrapdf/ |
| 17:05:08 | pondlife | GPL v2 though. |
| 17:05:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: Strictly GPLv2? |
| 17:05:24 | mcuelenaere | I don't think so.. |
| 17:05:33 | mcuelenaere | @bertrik |
| 17:05:52 | pondlife | Could a GPL v2 plugin be legal even if the rest of Rockbox is v2 or later? |
| 17:06:19 | bertrik | mcuelenaere: hmm, the wiki page mentions it's a standard developed by amd, intel, sharp and fujitsu, no mention of samsung :( |
| 17:09:20 | mcuelenaere | bertrik: as most DAP designers use Samsung, Hynix, ... and no AMD, Intel, Sharp or Fujitsu (AFAIK) CFI isn't an option then :( |
| 17:09:45 | bertrik | It doesn't say that samsung does not implement it |
| 17:10:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | pondlife: http://hritcu.wordpress.com/2007/01/06/gplv2-or-later/ Dunno if this may help clear it up. |
| 17:11:25 | bertrik | mcuelenaere: I'll try to look it up in the datasheet |
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| 17:13:00 | mcuelenaere | bertrik: I have one here and there's no mentioning of it |
| 17:13:09 | bertrik | mcuelenaere: no mention of it indeed, sorry for the diversion |
| 17:13:25 | mcuelenaere | + I tried sending those commands to the chip and didn't get the wanted results |
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| 17:24:48 | amiconn | GodEater_, sdoyon: There are plugins which are >32KB on archos, and they do work. However, the .rock cannot be larger than 32KB |
| 17:25:12 | amiconn | Those special plugins have a tiny. rock as their loader, loading the main blob into the audio buffer after grabbing it |
| 17:25:27 | GodEater_ | amiconn: which ones are they ? |
| 17:25:51 | scorche|sh | pondlife: yes...just if rockboc ever went v3 or later the plugin would have to be dropped/rewritten |
| 17:25:59 | amiconn | This is currently used for chessbox, rockboy, and zxbox |
| 17:26:19 | sdoyon | Decided at build time? Waw. |
| 17:26:56 | amiconn | The main binary uses the extension .ovl in these cases (although it's not technically an overlay) |
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| 17:27:30 | linuxstb | amiconn: What address are the overlays loaded to? |
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| 17:28:16 | amiconn | Depends on the plugin. The address is fixed and decided at build time, usually end_of_audio_buffer - plugin_size_including_bss - some_margin |
| 17:28:27 | amiconn | All those have their own .lds file for archos |
| 17:28:37 | saratoga | I'm getting a "make[1]: *** No rule to make target `SDL.h', needed by `/home/mike/rockbox/current/motosource/test2/comsim/lcd-common.o'. Stop. " error trying to link against SDL |
| 17:28:54 | saratoga | even though SDL.h is in the include path in my makefile |
| 17:29:17 | saratoga | I don't understand why its trying to make an h file though |
| 17:29:22 | saratoga | shouldn't those just be included |
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| 17:30:26 | sdoyon | amiconn: where's the code that does this? If we tweak plugin loading for plugin languages, we'll need to keep this in mind. |
| 17:31:29 | linuxstb | saratoga: That means that a dependency has been created on 'SDL.h', and "make" can't find that file. Normally the dependencies would include the full path, so maybe that's the issue. |
| 17:32:21 | linuxstb | saratoga: You could try changing "SDL.h" to <SDL.h> |
| 17:32:25 | linuxstb | (in lcd-sdl.h) |
| 17:33:31 | saratoga | linuxstb: thanks, that gives me an idea |
| 17:34:37 | saratoga | linuxstb: also someone came into IRC a week or two back with a WMA file that had 15 chunks per packet and thus couldn't decode correctly in the rockbox ASF parser |
| 17:34:59 | saratoga | using the old libasf one I could fix it just by changing a #define but I didn't see anything similar in rockbox |
| 17:36:23 | linuxstb | I've forgotton the details, but maybe that means the total size of the packet content is > 32KB, which may be a limitation of our parser.... I would need to look at the code again though. Do you have a link to the file? |
| 17:37:23 | linuxstb | Does the Rockbox parser give any DEBUGF messages with that file? |
| 17:38:03 | saratoga | linuxstb: http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/doors-test.wma |
| 17:38:33 | saratoga | I believe it printed a message, which is how I figured out that it had too many pieces to the packet |
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| 17:43:17 | saratoga | linuxstb: "could not read packet (requested 3200 bytes, received 3186) " |
| 17:43:58 | linuxstb | OK, I'll have a look - see if I can remember what ASF files look like... |
| 17:44:41 | saratoga | the comment by that error indicates that this is the 32KB limit now that i look at it |
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| 17:49:46 | wpyh | for calculating the distance of the center of a bubble to the trajectory of the moving bubble, use this: http://geometryalgorithms.com/Archive/algorithm_0102/algorithm_0102.htm and this: http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/589720 |
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| 18:00:09 | saratoga | I'm now having some more trouble linking, I get an error in the assembler: |
| 18:00:12 | saratoga | "/tmp/ccYd84By.s:131: Error: undefined symbol `_GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_' in operation" |
| 18:01:49 | saratoga | i thought rockbox is statically linked, so I wouldn't need an offset table, but i'm pretty far over my head here |
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| 18:18:13 | saratoga | hmm seems to be a problem with the -fPIC option on ARM |
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| 18:26:36 | Johan__ | hey |
| 18:26:42 | Johan__ | anybody here? |
| 18:26:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | 133 of us. Got a question? |
| 18:27:00 | Johan__ | hehe :) |
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| 18:27:16 | Johan__ | I was thinking of offering my help on the project |
| 18:28:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Help is always good! What would you like to help contribute? |
| 18:28:28 | Johan__ | i could provide coffe ^^ |
| 18:28:45 | Johan__ | i'm a developer and was thinking that maybe you need help with developing |
| 18:29:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Johan__: Check out the wiki on the site. There's tons of pages and information for you to check out there. |
| 18:30:21 | domonoky | Johan__: we always need help, is there any specific part you are interested in ? |
| 18:31:06 | Johan__ | nope not interested in anything particular, just want to increase productivity, im tired of not being able to use basic functionality such as play by genre |
| 18:32:07 | domonoky | playing a specifc genre should be possible with the database i think... :-) |
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| 18:32:45 | Johan__ | wait, is this like a general channel for rockbox? |
| 18:32:59 | Johan__ | i'm talking about meizu m6 rockbox |
| 18:33:02 | scorche|sh | there is only one channel for rockbox |
| 18:33:17 | Johan__ | hmmm maybe i've logged into the wrong channel... doooh? ^^ |
| 18:33:42 | scorche|sh | hrm? |
| 18:33:48 | scorche|sh | doesnt seem like it.. |
| 18:34:02 | domonoky | /this is the rockbox channel for development/support and other strong rockbox related things... there is also #rockbox-community for offtopic talk.. :-) |
| 18:34:09 | markun | Johan__: hi |
| 18:34:14 | Johan__ | heyy |
| 18:34:19 | markun | I guess I'm mister Meizu, altough not very active. |
| 18:34:26 | Johan__ | :) |
| 18:34:43 | Johan__ | yeah i think i saw your nickname on the progress for the driver or something |
| 18:35:01 | markun | First thing it to get some code running on our player. Do you have any experience with embedded programming? |
| 18:35:05 | scorche|sh | there is a lot more than one driver ;) |
| 18:35:32 | Johan__ | can i be missus meizu?:P |
| 18:36:13 | Johan__ | the term doesn't ring a bell so i guess no.. |
| 18:37:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Johan__: A crash course: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embedded_Systems |
| 18:38:08 | Johan__ | been developing in c,c++,c# and assembly |
| 18:38:14 | Johan__ | thank you i will read it |
| 18:38:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | C and assembly are perfect. Rockbox uses both. Although much more C than assembly... ;) |
| 18:38:45 | domonoky | Johan__: rockbox is coded in c and ASM so you should be fine :-) |
| 18:38:50 | Johan__ | nice |
| 18:39:03 | Johan__ | wonder why i don't recognize the embedded systems terminology |
| 18:45:49 | Johan__ | so what do i do after reading the crash course? do i sign up somewhere or how is it done? |
| 18:46:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's done. We're a community, so just come in, say hello, download the source code, and ask yourself, "Hmmm, what should I work on today?" |
| 18:46:41 | Johan__ | ^^ nice |
| 18:47:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | Basically, everyone works on what they're interested. We're a "team" in the loosest sense of the word. |
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| 18:47:55 | Johan__ | but perhaps there is something on the meizu project that has higher priority |
| 18:48:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | Johan__: There's a skeleton of a Meizu port in the source code. |
| 18:48:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | So a lot of stuff for it needs working on. Anything you want to work on... go for it. |
| 18:49:04 | markun | nand driver |
| 18:49:11 | markun | for example |
| 18:49:16 | markun | Johan__: do you have the datasheets? |
| 18:49:33 | Johan__ | nopsie |
| 18:49:34 | markun | if you go to meizume.com/rockbox you should be able to find them |
| 18:49:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | Johan__: Also, check this page out, too: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MeizuM6Port |
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| 18:49:58 | Johan__ | thank you for the links! |
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| 19:10:03 | amiconn | Whoa, reed delta raid :\ |
| 19:10:06 | amiconn | *red |
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| 19:13:59 | pondlife | That's quite some red, yes... |
| 19:14:41 | * | pondlife thinks that a global HAVE_VOICE might be useful... |
| 19:15:11 | amiconn | Uh? why that? |
| 19:15:16 | pixelma | and then people complain about ifdef hell... ;) |
| 19:15:20 | pondlife | hehe |
| 19:15:20 | scorche|sh | erm...didnt i volunteer for that, forget about that, remember it, and then get shot down? |
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| 19:15:56 | pondlife | I was just thinking that an Archos would benefit somewhat from the freed RAM if you don't use voice. |
| 19:16:17 | amiconn | What freed ram? |
| 19:16:48 | pondlife | Removal of the voice code (and buffers?) |
| 19:16:52 | amiconn | Just the code isn't that much when concerning am |
| 19:16:54 | amiconn | *ram |
| 19:17:40 | amiconn | On archos, the voice file is loaded into the audio buffer, and flushed when playback starts |
| 19:17:54 | amiconn | You can't have voice and playback at the same time anyway |
| 19:18:16 | amiconn | No other buffers involved |
| 19:19:08 | amiconn | I'm more concerned about code size because of the size limits, both for flashable size and for loading from disk (with the archos loader) |
| 19:19:25 | scorche|sh | i wonder how much it would cut from binsize... |
| 19:19:35 | pondlife | Yes, that's what I meant. |
| 19:19:42 | amiconn | But I don't like removing features for saving code size |
| 19:19:54 | amiconn | (and voice is an important feature imo) |
| 19:21:19 | amiconn | Imho it would be better to search for possible savings in the code itself |
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| 19:22:13 | amiconn | Even though I don't use the database apart from testing and occasionally to check for dupes and mis-tagging, I don't remove the db from my builds |
| 19:23:13 | * | bertrik couldn't stop himself from implementing a c200 display enable/disable |
| 19:23:31 | bertrik | anyone here who can measure battery current on a c200? |
| 19:24:38 | saratoga | bertrik: if needed i can probably do it this week |
| 19:25:07 | saratoga | though i'm not exactly sure how to wire that up . . . |
| 19:25:31 | amiconn | bertrik: Perform 2 runtime tests... |
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| 19:25:38 | saratoga | what is the "__MINGW32__" define used for? |
| 19:25:40 | bertrik | I have no idea how much is saved by actually turning the display off and putting the controller in standby, but as far as I can tell it has no side effects |
| 19:25:55 | saratoga | don't we already do that |
| 19:26:12 | bertrik | no, on c200, only the backlight is turned off, the display remains fully powered |
| 19:26:13 | pixelma | on some targets |
| 19:26:27 | saratoga | ah misread that as e200 |
| 19:26:31 | amiconn | Not all targets have that yet |
| 19:26:41 | saratoga | we do turn the display off there |
| 19:27:00 | pixelma | saratoga: I'd _guess_ for crosscompiled sims |
| 19:27:12 | amiconn | Imo all colour targets with picth-black type lcds should get that implemented |
| 19:27:15 | domonoky | saratoga: this define is true when compiling with mingw, so its used for mingw specifc things.. |
| 19:27:36 | saratoga | any idea if it should be on when using mingw for wince? |
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| 19:29:19 | amiconn | Some could also profit from a bit of cleanup (imo the lcd poweroff timeout on X5 is overkill) |
| 19:29:26 | bertrik | amiconn: If you shine (for example) a flashlight on the c200 display when it's off you can still see the contents, so not really pitch black, but too dark to be readable normally |
| 19:30:22 | amiconn | That counts as pitch-black. The others are readable in normal ambient light (afaik iPod Video and Nano are the only ones so far) |
| 19:30:55 | pixelma | I remember linuxstb insists that this is valid for the Ipod Photo/Colour too |
| 19:31:08 | pixelma | so all colour display Ipods |
| 19:31:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Actually, the iPod photo/color is very easy to read even with the backlight off. |
| 19:31:54 | amiconn | The ipod Photo/Color LCD looks very black on product photos. Maybe only the Color has the readable type, and the (older) Photo doesn't? |
| 19:32:10 | amiconn | hmm |
| 19:32:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | I can see the screen on mine very easily even with the backlight off. |
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| 20:02:55 | Strife89 | Er.... How does one create a new Wiki page? |
| 20:03:15 | bluebrother | just browse to a nonexistant page |
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| 20:05:09 | bluebrother | Strife89: not sure if you caught my last sentence: just browse to a nonexistant wiki page. |
| 20:05:21 | Strife89 | Alright, thank you. |
| 20:05:23 | Strife89 | :) |
| 20:07:07 | Strife89 | Hm. I'm a little unsure about what parent I should put this under. (This is a guide to compiling for Linux newbies. :) ) |
| 20:08:27 | Strife89 | Could someone make a suggestion? Or should I orphan it? |
| 20:08:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | There's already the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page. Why not just add the information onto that page? |
| 20:09:23 | Strife89 | The guide assumes Windows is the user's OS. |
| 20:10:29 | Strife89 | I mean, SimpleGuideToCompiling does. |
| 20:11:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hmmm... LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling, then? |
| 20:11:48 | Strife89 | Pretty much. |
| 20:14:13 | Strife89 | Made: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 20:15:00 | Strife89 | Would someone mind reading it? They could point out errors..... :) |
| 20:16:35 | * | amiconn would think that linux users normally wouldn't need that type of guide... |
| 20:16:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: He wrote it for Linux newcomers. |
| 20:17:06 | * | bluebrother wondered if it makes sense splitting up the old page −− using vmware is linux ... |
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| 20:17:36 | Strife89 | Yeah, but you don't have to work with PATH in VMWare, apparently. |
| 20:17:38 | bertrik | Strife89: fixed some spelling errors |
| 20:17:46 | Strife89 | Okay, thanks. :) |
| 20:19:06 | tucoz | bluebrother: what do you think about moving the menu structure from the quick start to the appendix? |
| 20:19:19 | Strife89 | bluebrother: I also give a few general Linux tips in the guide: |
| 20:19:19 | Strife89 | (mkdir means "make directory") |
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| 20:19:36 | tucoz | bluebrother: the "might be there" menu structure that is |
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| 20:19:57 | bluebrother | tucoz: good idea. That might be there structure is sitting there for too long now ;-) |
| 20:20:07 | bluebrother | and it's not really that necessary. |
| 20:20:20 | tucoz | no. not now that we have a root menu |
| 20:20:38 | bertrik | someone who doesn't know what cd or mkdir is, is going to run into a lot more questions when compiling I think |
| 20:20:40 | bluebrother | what root menu? |
| 20:20:50 | tucoz | the main menu |
| 20:20:54 | bluebrother | ;-) |
| 20:21:25 | tucoz | i remember it was called root menu when it was placed in the root so-to-speak |
| 20:21:40 | * | bluebrother waves his "we have a main menu" flag |
| 20:21:57 | Strife89 | bertrik: Like me, for instance? :) |
| 20:22:16 | bluebrother | yeah, during development. But as it doesn't really consistently behave like a root menu ... ;-) |
| 20:23:09 | PaulJam_ | Strife89: don't you think you should at least mention the need for crosscompilers? |
| 20:23:35 | tucoz | when i add a file, do i add svn keywords to that then, and in that case what do they look like? |
| 20:24:01 | Strife89 | [slaps forehead] Yeah, I'll add that. |
| 20:24:24 | bluebrother | svn pset svn:mime-type application/octet-stream binaryfile.something |
| 20:24:36 | tucoz | it's a text file |
| 20:25:05 | bluebrother | you can set any property that way. For text files you don't need to explicitly set the mime-type (but you can do so) |
| 20:25:06 | tucoz | or rather, tex-file. i was thinking about that $Id stuff |
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| 20:25:23 | tucoz | is that automatically added to the file? |
| 20:25:59 | bluebrother | so I guess you'd more interested in svn pset svn:keywords "Author Date Id Revision" myfile.tex |
| 20:26:25 | bluebrother | or, to address your question more directly: no, you need to set svn:keywords for that to work. |
| 20:27:11 | tucoz | thanks! :) |
| 20:27:37 | bluebrother | you're welcome |
| 20:27:38 | bertrik | About the sansa c200 lcd disable/enable, I'll post a patch so you can try it out. I think I do see a little more flicker when the display is turned back on. |
| 20:28:06 | * | amiconn always learns something new... |
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| 20:28:27 | amiconn | I didn't know about the short forms of svn propset/propget so far... |
| 20:29:10 | bluebrother | tucoz: svn plist lists all keywords that have been set. Might be useful to check files ... |
| 20:29:51 | tucoz | yeah. cool |
| 20:30:01 | amiconn | Regaridng the root^h^h^h^hmain menu, another reason not to call it root menu is to avoid confusion with the file system root (a concept that seems to be hard to understand at least for a few users) |
| 20:30:40 | tucoz | yes. main menu is better. i was simply referring to what it was called while still under development. |
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| 21:21:49 | pixelma | could someone help me out with the phrasing of a short sentence in the manual? I'd like to reference the "Loading Backdrops" chapter from the "Set As Backdrop" item, something about how the images need to be... |
| 21:22:10 | * | LambdaCalculus37 volunteers |
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| 21:24:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Can you pastebin what it is you want to have rephrased? |
| 21:25:00 | pixelma | the details are already in "Loading Backdrops" which is why I just want to reference it to not repeat information |
| 21:25:31 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: that would probably be an empty paste... I'm a bit out of ideas currently |
| 21:26:57 | pixelma | just something like "The images need to follow the rules as explained in ..." . I don't like the "follow the rules" part |
| 21:27:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: I'll take a look at the manual, and will pastebin some text. |
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| 21:27:41 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: there is no "Set As Backdrop" yet |
| 21:28:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Hmmm... thinking.... |
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| 21:30:01 | pixelma | to comply with (with what though)? |
| 21:30:04 | stockholm | hi |
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| 21:30:54 | stockholm | i read the harddisk overview on the website, thats why i am here |
| 21:31:24 | stockholm | i would need zif40 harddisks with 5mm highth |
| 21:31:46 | stockholm | but i have a problem finding any |
| 21:31:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hit eBay? |
| 21:31:54 | stockholm | did that |
| 21:32:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | iFixit? |
| 21:32:02 | stockholm | nothing there |
| 21:32:06 | stockholm | what is that? |
| 21:32:11 | stockholm | iFixit? |
| 21:32:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | iPod repair site, but they have 80GB 5mm hard drives available. |
| 21:32:47 | stockholm | shiny!! |
| 21:33:27 | * | LambdaCalculus37 directs stockholm to a slingshot marked "Google", and then shoots him towards http://www.ifixit.com |
| 21:33:42 | stockholm | i found the website |
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| 21:34:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's pricey but worth it. |
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| 21:35:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: "Use to set a .bmp file as a backdrop. Be certain that the bitmap is the correct size for your DAP!" |
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| 21:36:50 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thought of a quick, simple way to describe it |
| 21:36:53 | pixelma | hmm... correct size is not the only thing and it already is explained in the "Loading Backdrops" chapter |
| 21:37:14 | pixelma | which is why I'd just like to reference it |
| 21:38:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Could you added "Refer to chapter 11.1.6. for information about your DAP's resolution" to the end? |
| 21:40:01 | pixelma | the reference itself is not the problem, seems I can't even explain it here :\ |
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| 21:43:02 | pixelma | I could always use something like "see chapter blah for more details" there, just wanted to be a tad bit more descriptive with a hint that the images need to meet some conditions |
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| 21:43:20 | pixelma | or criteria |
| 21:43:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Yes, that would be good, actually. |
| 21:45:00 | pixelma | and then the sentence would be "The images need to meet the conditions explained in chapter blah" (?) |
| 21:46:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: That's the best way to explain it. |
| 21:47:31 | mcuelenaere | shotofadds: what do you think of the idea of using a generic NAND ID resolver for identifying flash chips across several targets in Rockbox? (see firmware/drivers/nand_id.c) |
| 21:47:38 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: alright, thanks for working that out with me :) |
| 21:48:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | No problem. :) |
| 21:50:52 | tucoz | Hmm. FS #7816 looks like the way to go if we want a menu structure in the manual |
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| 21:51:57 | pixelma | how does that deal with the target (or feature) specific things? |
| 21:52:01 | tucoz | question is if we _really_ want that. |
| 21:52:13 | tucoz | pixelma: http://www.burbleland.com/tmp/rockbox_menus.html |
| 21:53:28 | bluebrother | tucoz: I looked at that patch a while ago. Looks too complicated to me (especially this collecting information) |
| 21:53:54 | tucoz | yes, it's cool though that it uses rockbox source code to extract settings |
| 21:54:04 | tucoz | or did i misunderstand that? |
| 21:54:08 | bluebrother | indeed. But who can maintain this script? |
| 21:54:19 | shotofadds | mcuelenaere: I'd thought of doing something similar with the NAND ids, but you got there first :) I've just changed the telechips driver over to using it, seems to work fine with my d2 and m200 btw. |
| 21:54:27 | tucoz | exactly my thought. that will be a pain |
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| 21:55:55 | mcuelenaere | shotofadds: thanks, I haven't tested it yet :) |
| 21:57:48 | * | tucoz plays with his new cowon d2 |
| 21:58:39 | * | shotofadds is always glad to see more d2s around here. hopefully you won't be too disappointed with the current state of rockbox :( |
| 21:58:50 | pixelma | tucoz: I only see menu trees for each single target. Is there something to opt out e.g. the recording items in the menu etc.? |
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| 21:59:22 | tucoz | pixelma: to be honest. i haven't looked that closely. |
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| 22:00:12 | tucoz | my initial thought was that it is a great idea to extract the menu from the rockbox sources. however, it will be hard to maintain the script that do that |
| 22:01:25 | tucoz | shotofadds: i'll wait with rockboxing the d2 to after my vacation. |
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| 22:04:52 | bluebrother | shotofadds: maybe ubifs is interesting in terms of the D2? http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubifs.html |
| 22:05:01 | bluebrother | just read about it the other day ... |
| 22:07:11 | pixelma | tucoz: the page gives a nice overview though |
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| 22:09:38 | tucoz | pixelma: i agree |
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| 22:16:13 | shotofadds | bluebrother: yes, that's dealing with precisely the same issues we have. But to use something like that would mean breaking the ability to dual-boot with the OF, and for me that's a deal-breaker... |
| 22:16:57 | shotofadds | bertrik: yes, I got scared away by that. the d2's radio can wait :/ |
| 22:17:24 | shotofadds | the rather large magic number in that driver is somewhat bizarre |
| 22:17:47 | bertrik | magic number? |
| 22:18:23 | bertrik | I started looking into it after reading FS #9196, you mean the magic number mentioned there? |
| 22:19:04 | shotofadds | bertrik: lv24020lp.c line445: 0x81d1a47efc5cb700ull |
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| 22:26:57 | scorche|sh | shotofadds: the X5 port was released (and has lasted quite a long time) without dual-boot... |
| 22:28:44 | pixelma | released? :) |
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| 22:30:21 | scorche|sh | "marked as supported"? =P |
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| 22:31:45 | pixelma | supported? ;) |
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| 22:38:26 | scorche|sh | pixelma: i was waiting for you to say that (note the "=P") ;) |
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| 22:45:08 | bertrik | shotofadds, do you happen to know if the lv radio chip gets a reference frequency from somewhere (e.g. the CPU) ? |
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| 22:45:51 | bertrik | if so, we could do much more accurate frequency measurements |
| 22:46:23 | votetrev | does anyone in here use the rockbox utility? |
| 22:46:36 | bertrik | votetrev, yes I've used it |
| 22:46:46 | votetrev | does the install themes button work? |
| 22:47:02 | votetrev | everytime i use it it says the following error occured: no themes foud |
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| 22:48:39 | mcuelenaere | votetrev: iPod Video? |
| 22:48:47 | votetrev | yes 30gb video 5.5g |
| 22:49:03 | mcuelenaere | votetrev: the theme downloads are currently disabled because of bandwidth limitations |
| 22:49:07 | votetrev | ahhhhhhh |
| 22:49:09 | votetrev | thank you sir :) |
| 22:49:16 | votetrev | guess ill look at how to do it manually :) |
| 22:49:17 | mcuelenaere | it is a known problem :) |
| 22:49:24 | votetrev | thats a bummer |
| 22:49:25 | votetrev | oh well |
| 22:49:29 | votetrev | this is a damn nice utility |
| 22:49:45 | votetrev | i got my 5.5g when rockbox first came out and i HAD to do it manually then |
| 22:50:11 | votetrev | looks to be improved a LOT since ive last used the firmware |
| 22:50:54 | votetrev | do you know if there is an easy way to speed up audio...for instance i listen to recorded audio to learn material...i want to listen to this at 1.5x....is this possible through rockbox? |
| 22:51:22 | massiveH | well, you can change the pitch |
| 22:51:28 | scorche|sh | you can if you dont mind changing the pitch |
| 22:51:54 | votetrev | i dont mind the pitch |
| 22:51:59 | votetrev | its the information not the quality of the voice so much |
| 22:52:46 | massiveH | votetrev, hold down the center button during playback, and does "pitch" show up in that menu? |
| 22:52:49 | scorche|sh | then just use the pitch setting |
| 22:54:27 | votetrev | im checking now massiveH |
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| 22:59:34 | votetrev | pitch does show up in that menu |
| 22:59:54 | massiveH | adjust that, and there you go |
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| 23:04:09 | shotofadds | scorche|sh: yeah but the D2 OF has a considerable number of features which we won't have for a very long time (MPEG4, DAB, etc, etc). I doubt even I'd install Rockbox if I lost those... |
| 23:05:09 | shotofadds | bertrik: I haven't really looked at the LV chip beyond checking that the driver can communicate with it. That's a job another day... |
| 23:05:25 | Llorean | shotofadds: Why does MPEG4 matter? |
| 23:05:26 | shotofadds | *for another day |
| 23:07:19 | shotofadds | Llorean: because Rockbox is supposed to be a 'complete' firmware replacement? |
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| 23:07:54 | Llorean | shotofadds: Of hardware features. Not "complete" in terms of software features |
| 23:08:08 | Llorean | Otherwise we'd have "random" playback, etc, etc. |
| 23:08:18 | Llorean | We play video, of an approximately comparable quality. |
| 23:08:38 | Llorean | But you said you wouldn't install Rockbox if you lost MPEG4, so I was curious what about it was worth mentioning. |
| 23:09:34 | shotofadds | Llorean: i see what you mean wrt. hardware features. MPEG4 is not a huge loss to me (it might be to others tho). specifically, the loss of DAB would be a killer. |
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| 23:10:08 | Llorean | shotofadds: That's why I didn't mention DAB, that's a hardware feature. :) |
| 23:11:28 | shotofadds | hehe :) Personally I think dual-boot is something we really should aim to keep, that's all. |
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| 23:13:09 | Llorean | I think if the question is "Rockbox being able to use the internal flash" vs "Dual boot", I'd go for the first one, though. |
| 23:13:10 | shotofadds | I think the simple reason is that the Cowon firmware is "good enough". I'm not sure what Rockbox adds that would warrant people deciding to ditch those OF in favour of us, outside of a few specific cases. |
| 23:13:24 | shotofadds | *OF features |
| 23:13:44 | shotofadds | big plusses like voice UI don't really count due to the touchscreen, imho |
| 23:13:54 | Llorean | Rockbox isn't intended as a supplement, whether the OF is good enough or not, though. Decisions shouldn't be based on keeping the OF working, it should just be a goal if it comes without additional cost. |
| 23:14:10 | pixelma | shotofadds: the X5 OF has one important feature that is not supported by Rockbox too - USB otg |
| 23:14:33 | shotofadds | out of interest, what's the reason the X5 can't dual boot? |
| 23:15:29 | Llorean | The original dual boot patch could be broken by changing OF versions. |
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| 23:16:01 | pixelma | I guess it could now but no-one with the right knowledge reviewed the new patch yet it seems |
| 23:16:04 | Llorean | Eventually there was a new one, but by the time it came out everyone was either using an unsupported bootloader, or acclimatized to the supported method of no-dual-boot, so not much real testing and effort to commit it has happened. |
| 23:18:23 | shotofadds | Llorean: of course, Rockbox is a "firmware replacement" and lack of dual boot should be considered. |
| 23:18:59 | shotofadds | But even if we did that, simply ditching the Telechips NAND scheme and using a well-defined scheme isn't enough - we'd lose the current state of wear-levelling, bad blocks, etc. We'd need to understand those, and by that point we might as well just stick to the original scheme... |
| 23:20:29 | Llorean | shotofadds: If the wear really is "levelled", a change in schemes shouldn't hurt a lot, given that it's not an explicit number of writes that will result in a failure anyway. |
| 23:22:07 | shotofadds | possibly. that's all I'll say :p |
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| 23:34:41 | Seldaek | hmm, how do I read video files ? |
| 23:34:52 | Seldaek | I tried to play an mp4 file I just transcoded |
| 23:34:56 | Seldaek | but it kinda hangs there |
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| 23:35:07 | Seldaek | (gigabeat F20) |
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| 23:39:05 | Llorean | Seldaek: Rockbox doesn't play MP4 files. |
| 23:39:15 | Llorean | Did you read the instructions for video conversion? |
| 23:39:19 | Seldaek | oh shit |
| 23:40:27 | Seldaek | yeah well, I tried WinFF yesterday but it failed so I used mediacoder now, and it did mp4 by itself, I forgot to check that.. |
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| 23:48:47 | Seldaek | Llorean: okay, it's running now, we'll see, thanks |
| 23:48:56 | Seldaek | running I mean.. re-transcoding |
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| 23:50:30 | * | bluebrother discovers http://rockboxcenter.berlios.de/index.html |
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| 23:56:15 | Llorean | bluebrother: Is that just a less featureful rbutil competitor? |
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| 23:56:30 | Llorean | I suppose it does have syncing features |
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