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| 00:02:52 | ipod | hello |
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| 00:03:08 | ipod | can sumone help me wit putting themes on my ipod |
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| 00:03:50 | preglow | shotofadds: yeah, things are definitely going slower than i'd like, but there's not much to be done about it |
| 00:05:05 | ipod | is anyone there |
| 00:05:10 | linuxstb | ipod: What's the problem? |
| 00:05:27 | preglow | anywho, i'm off for an early plane. talk to you in about a week (or sooner, if i can find a nice wlan...) |
| 00:05:28 | ipod | i cant get themes on my ipod to show right |
| 00:05:37 | scorche|sh | ipod: they are likely broken |
| 00:05:53 | shotofadds | preglow: have a good trip! |
| 00:05:55 | ipod | i got them off rockbox.org |
| 00:06:26 | ipod | btw what u mean broken |
| 00:06:43 | linuxstb | ipod: There were some changes to Rockbox recently which broke most themes. Not all of them have been fixed yet - you could help... |
| 00:06:43 | scorche|sh | ipod: yes...those are user-maintained themes (assuming you mean the ones on the wiki) |
| 00:07:12 | ipod | yea |
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| 00:07:26 | ipod | how could i he;p |
| 00:07:29 | ipod | help |
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| 00:08:56 | linuxstb | ipod: Edit the .wps files (they are text files you can change with any text editor) to update them to work with recent changes. This forum post (very briefly...) describes the changes - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17507.0 |
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| 00:09:03 | linuxstb | Or not... |
| 00:09:47 | massiveH | great help he was. |
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| 00:18:49 | bertrik | it looks like it's not possible to read the battery voltage during charging on sansa c200, but I can get an idea of the charging current |
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| 00:56:37 | LocalToast | Actually I don't. |
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| 01:21:21 | Johan | yo! who is responsible for the meizu port? |
| 01:22:00 | Johan | i've been reading up and would like to help |
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| 01:22:23 | bertrik | I think markun is working on it |
| 01:22:34 | krazykit | no one is "responsible", but if you read the thread in the New Ports forum, that should give you a hint as to what needs to be done |
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| 02:10:56 | Lars_G | Hey all. |
| 02:11:31 | Lars_G | Question, there is still no easy way to autosave position of podcasts/audiobooks even in queue mode. right? |
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| 02:16:17 | massiveH | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CodecPerformanceComparison updated with today's build on iriver h340 |
| 02:17:30 | Lars_G | Btw another question, trying to build rbutil but rbutilqt is crying there's no rbspeex, but in ../tools/rbspeex it's compiled.... |
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| 02:32:49 | Lars_G | Hmm ok I had to regen Makefile |
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| 02:49:54 | Lars_G | Ay there any easy way to convert an hfs ipod to an fat ipod from linux? |
| 02:50:27 | Lars_G | Btw nice cleanup on the page's lefthand menu. |
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| 02:51:36 | Lars_G | Oh i found the wiki article. let me read it |
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| 03:12:24 | swears | i'd like to switch the "play" and "pause" buttons in now playing |
| 03:13:09 | swears | icons rather |
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| 08:12:04 | W4RP3D | Hi ! I've got a big problem here |
| 08:12:22 | W4RP3D | i tried to uninstall rockbox to come back to the original firmware but now its all messed up and won'T load |
| 08:13:07 | Llorean | What played did you have, what steps did you perform to uninstall it, and what happens now? |
| 08:13:28 | W4RP3D | Llorean Sansa e260 |
| 08:13:45 | W4RP3D | To Uninstall it, simply deleted the .rockbox folder |
| 08:14:03 | Llorean | You need to uninstall the bootloader to. |
| 08:14:17 | Llorean | Turn off your player, then plug in USB while it's off, then uninstall the bootloader. |
| 08:14:25 | W4RP3D | well it won't let me detect it with my computer unless it's on recovery mode |
| 08:14:55 | Llorean | Did you turn off your player, and plug it in while turned off? |
| 08:15:12 | W4RP3D | yes |
| 08:15:19 | W4RP3D | it just freezes on the "Sandisk" screen |
| 08:15:30 | Llorean | So you couldn't use USB at all with Rockbox installed? |
| 08:15:33 | W4RP3D | I also tried to put a file named "sansa.fmt" while in recovery mode |
| 08:15:37 | W4RP3D | yes I could |
| 08:15:43 | Llorean | Wait. |
| 08:15:48 | W4RP3D | until I lamely attempted to uninstall it |
| 08:15:48 | Llorean | You did stuff in recovery mode already? |
| 08:15:54 | Llorean | Sigh |
| 08:16:04 | Llorean | Experimenting is just going to make things worse. |
| 08:16:04 | W4RP3D | yes...that's what I found on the net to recover the firmware.... |
| 08:16:04 | W4RP3D | :S |
| 08:16:13 | Llorean | Removing the .rockbox folder just means it won't boot Rockbox any more. |
| 08:16:17 | W4RP3D | yes that's what I see |
| 08:16:21 | Llorean | You should've still been able to dual boot into the original firmware. |
| 08:16:25 | Llorean | But you broke that somehow |
| 08:16:32 | W4RP3D | ...yeah........ |
| 08:16:56 | Llorean | Now you need to put a clean firmware PP5022.MI4 in recovery mode. |
| 08:17:11 | amiconn | Wow, WMA speedup on PP5002 is even higher than on the other mentioned targets :) I measured ~30% speedup (152.7% -> 197.2% with my only wma file) |
| 08:17:26 | W4RP3D | Llorean ok...and how do i do this ? |
| 08:17:51 | Llorean | W4RP3D: Uhm? You already put a sansa.fmt on it, it's the same thing except you need a firmware file. |
| 08:18:07 | Llorean | You can use the official firmware update while in recovery mode, I believe. |
| 08:18:12 | W4RP3D | oh ok |
| 08:18:16 | W4RP3D | u mean the sansa updater ? |
| 08:18:17 | Llorean | amiconn: I believe he mentioned AAC can be improved similarly. |
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| 08:18:31 | Llorean | W4RP3D: I don't know what it's called, I don't use the original firmware... |
| 08:18:42 | Llorean | Also, please use real words while you're in our channel, no "u" or such |
| 08:19:09 | W4RP3D | ok no problem |
| 08:20:31 | W4RP3D | Llorean the updater software doesn't seem to work in recovery mode |
| 08:20:45 | W4RP3D | Llorean is there any place where I can find the firmware file ? |
| 08:20:59 | Llorean | W4RP3D: Probably linked from the SansaFAQ in the wiki |
| 08:24:00 | W4RP3D | Llorean As I can read in the wiki...i need to copy a .mi4 file ...but where can i find this file ? |
| 08:24:41 | Llorean | W4RP3D: I've told you I haven't needed to do this... I'm sure there's somewhere in the wiki that tells where they can be found. |
| 08:25:09 | W4RP3D | Llorean OK |
| 08:29:13 | W4RP3D | Llorean ! I Got IT ! :D |
| 08:29:33 | GodEater | o_O |
| 08:29:46 | W4RP3D | Using the Unbrick your Sansa e200 section |
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| 08:34:32 | W4RP3D | Well Thanks a lot for the Tips ! Have a good night ! |
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| 08:59:34 | saratoga | the speed up from the new IMDCT on coldfire was much less on the official test samples then what PaulJam found with his test sample |
| 08:59:41 | MU{lappy} | i see a few different sine/cosine value tables that some of the codecs use. sbagen.c generates a sine lookup table using sin(), i'm imaging a plugin port would just want to use a pre-coded sine table? |
| 08:59:46 | saratoga | i wouldn't have expected so much variation |
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| 09:00:09 | saratoga | yes don't call sin in a loop |
| 09:00:26 | saratoga | either call it when you init everything to generate a lookup table, or just put the lookup in the code |
| 09:03:12 | amiconn | MU{lappy}: How much precision do you need? |
| 09:03:30 | amiconn | There's already a simple lookup-based fixed point sine implementation in the plugin lib |
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| 09:04:42 | MU{lappy} | i must've missed that, there's no "sin" or "sine" in plugin.h |
| 09:04:57 | amiconn | plugin *lib* |
| 09:05:18 | amiconn | No such thing in the core, as it's not needed there |
| 09:06:14 | amiconn | apps/plugins/lib/fixedpoint.[ch] |
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| 09:13:05 | MU{lappy} | i'm looking now. sbagen uses it to generate pure tones, and there may be a number of them playing at any given time. is fsincos fast enough to use directly for synthesis, or should i be building a larger lookup table w/ it so that lookups can be direct instead of w/ rotation and iterative refinement? |
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| 09:16:23 | saratoga | depends how often you're going to call it |
| 09:16:36 | saratoga | its quite slow, but if you only call it a few times per second it shouldn't matter |
| 09:17:26 | MU{lappy} | a number of times per *sample*, so i'm thinking the best plan is to use it to build a lookup table as in the original src. |
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| 09:40:40 | petur | is there anybody with a CF modded h1x0 willing to put his bootloader online? |
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| 10:10:05 | saratoga | did anyone ever look at Tremorlo? |
| 10:11:29 | saratoga | its got its own ARM ASM optimized MDCT |
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| 10:12:22 | saratoga | actually its got a lot of ARM ASM code |
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| 10:28:59 | stumo | Is there anyone here who can help me claim back soe of the RAM on my V1R in the latest daily builds, it only has 1.1Mb for mpeg buffer. |
| 10:29:15 | stumo | soe=some |
| 10:30:53 | linuxstb | Do you have either "directory cache" or "load database to RAM" enabled? (I'm not even 100% sure you can do both of those on Archos...) |
| 10:32:59 | stumo | I will just check now, thanks. |
| 10:33:43 | stumo | oh, where do I find those settings? |
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| 10:34:51 | pixelma | linuxstb: you can't load the database to RAM on the Archoses, not so sure about dircache |
| 10:35:03 | linuxstb | pixelma: I wasn't sure... |
| 10:35:17 | stumo | I can't find dircache anywhere yet. |
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| 10:35:27 | linuxstb | I think it's something like System -> Disk |
| 10:35:52 | linuxstb | (if it exists on Archos...) |
| 10:36:13 | stumo | No only spindown shows there. |
| 10:36:50 | stumo | But even if I do find it, are we talking about a gain of half a meg? like I get with an old version 2.5? |
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| 10:37:28 | linuxstb | Did you flash v2.5 ? (i.e. rombox) |
| 10:37:29 | pixelma | stumo: do you have - cuesheet support or lastfm support enabled (I believe they need a lot of RAM) and what's your "max files in directory" settings? |
| 10:38:16 | stumo | max files is set t o150, I don't even know what lastfm is. |
| 10:39:15 | stumo | and yes I did flash 2.5, but I have since flashed a recent daily. |
| 10:40:15 | pixelma | for what it's worth, I have about 1.29 MB of free buffer on my OndioFM which has a bit less settings and a bit smaller firmware file with a 1 week old build |
| 10:40:35 | stumo | I found lastfm and it is set to "no" |
| 10:41:12 | amiconn | No dircache and no db-in-ram on archos |
| 10:41:24 | amiconn | Make sure you don't have insane limits set |
| 10:41:32 | pixelma | do you use the voice UI? |
| 10:42:01 | amiconn | Especially 'max files in dir' is memory hungry |
| 10:42:18 | stumo | just checking now.... |
| 10:42:31 | pixelma | already said that it is set to 150 which doesn't seem insane to me |
| 10:43:19 | pixelma | mine is set to 100 |
| 10:43:37 | stumo | I have max playlist set to 11000 |
| 10:45:15 | stumo | I'm up to 1.368MB now, still would like a couple of hundred more k really. |
| 10:46:31 | stumo | I think I get 1.8MB with v2.5 flashed - I know things have come a long way since then, but for general mp3 playing I need to maximise the buffer. |
| 10:47:19 | stumo | Because the disk is spinning up and down every 20-30 seconds, whic hcan't be good. |
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| 10:49:30 | stumo | At this stage I'm thinking to reflash 2.5 for general duties, then load a late daily if I need to do some of the cool extra stuff, does that sound like a good plan? |
| 10:49:41 | pixelma | you can't really compare running version 2.5 from ROM with running a recent version from RAM |
| 10:50:06 | pixelma | stumo: do you use the database? |
| 10:50:16 | stumo | No I flashed a recent one. |
| 10:51:10 | stumo | I tried the database, but it is kind of too slow to be useful, and it locks-out the device while it "commits" if you switch off then on for ages. |
| 10:51:33 | stumo | I have 80GB of mp3s. |
| 10:52:24 | linuxstb | If I understand correctly (I'm sure pixelma or amiconn will correct me), recent Rockbox versions for the AJBR are too big to be flashed - so you would have flashed a compressed version of the firmware, which is then copied to RAM and executed from there. 2.5 would have run directly from ROM. |
| 10:52:44 | pixelma | yes, but you didn't flash a recent version to ROM (this would mean using the rombox.ucl which is not present in recent builds because Rockbox became to big). Are you able to compile your own builds? |
| 10:52:46 | linuxstb | So you don't gain RAM by flashing - just a faster boot time. |
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| 10:53:17 | Divadmils | wats up guys |
| 10:53:33 | Divadmils | any talk yet of a build for Sansa Fuze? |
| 10:54:03 | stumo | pixelma: not set up to build anymore, I'm the guy who has been away for 4 or so years who you helped out last week. |
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| 10:54:30 | Divadmils | any talk yet of a build for Sansa Fuze? |
| 10:54:36 | linuxstb | Divadmils: There has been talk I think, but probably not much more than that. The "New Ports" forum should contain any news. |
| 10:54:48 | Divadmils | okay thanks |
| 10:56:09 | stumo | pixelma: I flashed "rockbox.ucl" which was in the .rockbox dir, then I deleted the ajbrec that was in the root dir. I used the fancy new installer program to update to the latest daily - very slick. |
| 10:57:32 | stumo | so if what linuxstb said about it being decompressed into RAM then I'm kind of grasping aren't I? |
| 10:57:38 | pixelma | stumo: I was asking because there is a way to build Rockbox without the database to make it small enough for rombox but this means you need to compile your own |
| 10:57:50 | markun | I want to add embedded lyrics viewing. Do we have some simple text viewing 'widget' used anywhere? |
| 10:58:26 | linuxstb | markun: Just the list widget I think - but that might be enough for you... |
| 10:58:44 | markun | linuxstb: yes, should work |
| 10:59:23 | stumo | pixelma: Oh cool, so if I get set up to build I can gain a decent chunk of buffer, and keep the cool features that I actually use then. Is it just a #define for the database support? |
| 10:59:30 | linuxstb | markun: Isn't there already a plugin for that (sncviewer or something)... ? |
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| 11:00:41 | markun | linuxstb: I could take a look at that yes :) |
| 11:00:59 | markun | I'll try to quickly finish this and then look at their implementation |
| 11:01:19 | pixelma | stumo: yes (and without the database). See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RomBox , should give you an overview |
| 11:01:26 | linuxstb | markun: How are you handling memory allocation? |
| 11:02:12 | markun | linuxstb: I was hoping it would not be a problem because of MoB |
| 11:02:14 | pixelma | linuxstb, markun: I believe there were 2 related patches in the tracker |
| 11:02:55 | stumo | pixelma: thanks for your help.. again. Cheers. |
| 11:04:52 | bertrik | I'm thinking of creating a wiki page about sansa c200 and e200 charging, any suggestions for a good page name? how about simply SansaCharging? |
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| 11:08:56 | Divadmils | about the fuze..why cant some1 create a downgrader to flash the firmware to a version 1 then simply create a build for it? |
| 11:09:06 | Divadmils | or make a custom firmware? |
| 11:11:01 | bertrik | Are you volunteering? :) |
| 11:11:30 | Divadmils | it seems simple enough until you get into the actual process :/ |
| 11:11:56 | Divadmils | no one has been able to crack this firm yet |
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| 11:16:40 | num1 | Which target was Divadmils talking about? |
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| 11:16:59 | Llorean | The Sansa Fuze isn't the same hardware as any supported targets. |
| 11:17:08 | Llorean | I don't see what a "downgrader" would be, or do. |
| 11:17:42 | Divadmils | yea but u could replace it with the firmware from an older model |
| 11:19:10 | Llorean | The hardware is entirely differen.t |
| 11:19:16 | Llorean | Any other firmware wouldn't be able to control it. |
| 11:20:20 | Divadmils | true |
| 11:20:39 | Divadmils | just throwin out suggestions |
| 11:21:26 | num1 | not to point out my ignorance, but why do you need to change the firmware? |
| 11:21:29 | Llorean | I mean no offense, but why not do some research and then perhaps come up with a reasonable plan. Throwing out random suggestions that make no sense at all isn't going to do anyone any good. |
| 11:22:17 | Divadmils | i was thinkin that if u use a different firmware then it would be easier to creat a build for it |
| 11:22:25 | Divadmils | guess not :) |
| 11:22:42 | Llorean | Rockbox doesn't use any part of the original firmware. |
| 11:23:29 | Divadmils | yes i know but it would be easier to find the recovery mode making it easier to do a trial and erroe scenario |
| 11:23:32 | Llorean | The only time the original firmware matters, at all, is figuring out enough of its upgrade process so we can get it to upgrade to our own code. If there were a way to "downgrade" it, why wouldn't we just downgrade it to our own code anyway? |
| 11:23:38 | Divadmils | error |
| 11:24:27 | Divadmils | so i guess we gotta wait for an upgrade before anything can be done? |
| 11:24:34 | Llorean | No. |
| 11:25:00 | Llorean | There doesn't need to be an official upgrade for someone to figure out how to get it to run our own code. |
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| 11:25:10 | Llorean | What needs to happen is people actually working on it. |
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| 11:25:37 | Llorean | Pure and simple: There really aren't many, or possibly any, Vuze owners doing much in the way of real investigation. |
| 11:25:55 | Divadmils | true. but wouldnt it take less time if there were an official upgrade |
| 11:26:01 | Divadmils | yea your right |
| 11:26:05 | num1 | no |
| 11:26:19 | Llorean | An official upgrade might make it take less time, or it might not. |
| 11:26:26 | Divadmils | oh |
| 11:26:30 | Llorean | It entirely depends on the hardware and software decisions made. |
| 11:27:03 | num1 | I guess you could reverse the official upgrade to see how the update is done, but it's just a different way of solving a problem, both require people working |
| 11:27:33 | Divadmils | so if we look at an older model like the e200 it wouldnt tell anything bc its different hardware? |
| 11:27:40 | num1 | right |
| 11:27:47 | Divadmils | gotcha |
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| 11:29:09 | Divadmils | if u had to guess how long do u think it would take to do after an official upgrade comes out? |
| 11:30:05 | num1 | I have no expertise or even minor dabbling in the area, but I'd guess a month or two if you had some dedicated people working on it |
| 11:30:39 | markun | num1: if sandisk has some didicate people working on it you mean |
| 11:30:39 | Divadmils | the problem is finding people willing to put time into it |
| 11:30:52 | markun | ah never mind :) |
| 11:31:58 | GodEater | a month or two is incredibly optimistic - even for targets where we have full hardware documentation, it's about a year to get a functioning port going |
| 11:33:12 | Divadmils | i just checked the site and they have an upgrade already..http://www.sandisk.com/Retail/Default.aspx?CatID=1376 |
| 11:33:28 | Llorean | Divadmils: It doesn't matter. |
| 11:33:30 | Divadmils | its the firmware updater |
| 11:33:35 | Divadmils | why not? |
| 11:33:37 | Llorean | As I tried to say, there's nobody working on it. |
| 11:33:44 | Divadmils | oh right |
| 11:33:58 | Llorean | Even if there were, there's absolutely no guarantee an update will reveal anything useful. |
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| 11:34:16 | Divadmils | then i better get started huh? |
| 11:34:22 | num1 | Divadmils, you seem to really want this, I wish you much luck |
| 11:34:24 | Llorean | If you want to see a port happen, find somewhere where people already own the player, and try to get them interested. |
| 11:34:38 | Divadmils | i own one |
| 11:34:45 | Llorean | Generally speaking, work gets done by people who already like the player. |
| 11:34:49 | num1 | then you're halfway there :D |
| 11:34:50 | Divadmils | and my friend has one too |
| 11:35:29 | markun | Divadmils: this is a good place to start: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 11:35:54 | Divadmils | okay |
| 11:36:50 | num1 | how long does it usually take to build the cross-compiler? |
| 11:37:06 | num1 | the script's been running on my comp for a good 10 mins now |
| 11:37:12 | markun | depends on the speed. Maybe 10 to 20 minutes? |
| 11:37:41 | markun | are you building all or just 1? |
| 11:37:48 | num1 | just 1 |
| 11:37:59 | num1 | I'm building arm |
| 11:38:26 | Llorean | Depends a very lot on your computer's speed though. |
| 11:38:41 | Nico_P | num1: it can be rather long |
| 11:38:49 | num1 | allright, thanks |
| 11:38:53 | Llorean | And I assume by "building the cross compiler" you mean everything else too, the whole Arm toolchain? |
| 11:39:08 | num1 | you would assume correctly :) |
| 11:39:11 | Llorean | If so, yeah, expect it to take a decently large amount of time. |
| 11:40:15 | num1 | he he, it feels like I'm building the kernel or something |
| 11:41:24 | Divadmils | alright guys im off to bed |
| 11:41:41 | Divadmils | see ya |
| 11:41:49 | num1 | by |
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| 11:41:58 | MU{lappy} | linux kernel i would say takes less time than compiler+binutils, but i could be wrong |
| 11:42:42 | GodEater | depends how much of the kernel you build |
| 11:42:50 | num1 | hey it just finished |
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| 15:01:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | Can someone take a look at FS #9199? It's some additional strings for the Spanish translation. |
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| 15:21:25 | moos | LambdaCalculus37: I will have a look at it a bit later; when I will have few minutes (I'm working) |
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| 15:26:07 | BigBambi | LambdaCalculus37: Bookmarks also need to know which file to resume, and as I understand it they do that at the moment by going to an index for a file with a directory |
| 15:26:34 | BigBambi | If you have added or deleted files before the file to resume, the index will point at the wrong file |
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| 15:26:43 | * | BigBambi hopes he isn't talking rubbish here |
| 15:27:31 | linuxstb | moos: Hi. I was wondering why you closed this task - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8965 - IIUC, it should be trivial to sync it to preglow's changes |
| 15:27:57 | Lear | BigBambi: Well, yes and no. :) Directory resume is index based, but it does also check the name, and if there's a mismatch, it tries to find the right file by name. |
| 15:28:05 | BigBambi | ah OK |
| 15:28:11 | * | BigBambi adds that too |
| 15:28:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | BigBambi and Lear: Thanks for explaining it. :) |
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| 15:40:06 | moos | linuwstb: indeed, I will reopen it hen and have a look at it if I can change it while on it |
| 15:40:18 | moos | linuxstb sorry |
| 15:41:09 | linuxstb | moos: OK, no problem. |
| 15:41:55 | moos | thanks to pointed it |
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| 16:11:50 | agaffney | bleh, my sansa e260 froze again |
| 16:12:09 | agaffney | this time, it froze in the middle of playing a MP3, but the "now playing" screen shows that it's right at the end of the previous song |
| 16:12:21 | agaffney | and that the song it froze in the middle of is the next song |
| 16:12:37 | agaffney | the only controls that work are hitting a button to turn the screen on |
| 16:12:43 | agaffney | and holding power for 10s to force a poweroff |
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| 16:25:13 | PaulJam_ | agaffney: do you know how to reproduce this behaviour? |
| 16:25:50 | agaffney | unfortunately, no |
| 16:25:56 | agaffney | it keeps freezing like this at random times |
| 16:26:15 | agaffney | it did it with a build from 5-6 weeks ago and a build from about a week ago |
| 16:26:53 | linuxstb | Have you checked your disk for errors (e.g. using something like chkdsk or fsck) ? |
| 16:27:26 | agaffney | yes, with both |
| 16:27:34 | agaffney | chkdsk on windows shows everything's fine |
| 16:27:50 | agaffney | fsck.vfat complains about the MBR not matching the backup but never actually fixes it |
| 16:28:07 | agaffney | and then exits with some error about a value being different than what it expected at some location |
| 16:28:11 | agaffney | very vague |
| 16:28:17 | agaffney | and never an opportunity to fix |
| 16:28:46 | linuxstb | Are you using "chkdsk /f" ? (I'm not sure what that does, but it's what I've read other people suggest) |
| 16:29:06 | agaffney | yes |
| 16:29:18 | agaffney | on windows, 'chkdsk /f' shows everything's clean |
| 16:29:24 | agaffney | btw, /f just tells chkdsk to fix the problems |
| 16:29:30 | agaffney | instead of just telling you about them |
| 16:32:58 | linuxstb | What exactly are you doing? i.e. how do you select the MP3s to be played? |
| 16:36:51 | agaffney | Database -> All Artists -> All Tracks |
| 16:36:58 | agaffney | and then hit the Play button |
| 16:37:14 | agaffney | I did that yesterday |
| 16:37:20 | agaffney | turned it off and on a few times |
| 16:37:23 | agaffney | skipped a few songs |
| 16:37:31 | agaffney | normal use |
| 16:39:52 | scorche|sh | agaffney: please place complete thoughts on one line...it is much harder to read when you are using the enter button as punctuation |
| 16:40:05 | agaffney | heh, sorry |
| 16:40:12 | agaffney | I'm usually much better about that |
| 16:40:28 | agaffney | I'm usually the one yelling at other people about that ;) |
| 16:40:47 | scorche|sh | well... |
| 16:41:45 | Cripps | is the ipod video with the 80Gig drive supported/usable? On the device chart it only lists the 40/60 Gig models of the "iPod Video" (aka iPod gen 5); |
| 16:42:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | Cripps: I think you may be confused a little bit. |
| 16:42:28 | GodEater | Cripps: what's the link you're looking at ? |
| 16:42:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | The iPod video is available in 30, 60, and 80GB capacities. |
| 16:42:54 | Cripps | here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod |
| 16:43:23 | * | GodEater will update the chart |
| 16:43:31 | Cripps | oops, : %s/40/30/ |
| 16:43:36 | Cripps | ;) |
| 16:43:41 | GodEater | hmm, no I won't |
| 16:43:45 | * | LambdaCalculus37 will do that |
| 16:43:48 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37 bet me to it ;) |
| 16:43:51 | linuxstb | agaffney: Saying "normal use" doesn't help us... I'm trying to find a pattern in your so-called "random" crashes (random is very hard for computers to do...) |
| 16:43:53 | GodEater | s/bet/beat |
| 16:44:04 | Cripps | :) |
| 16:44:06 | Cripps | thanks |
| 16:45:03 | agaffney | linuxstb: like I said, my normal use is to start with "Database -> All Artists -> All Tracks", select a song, and just let it play, ocassionally skipping a song or two here or there. I'll also turn it off and leave it in my car and turn it back on and hit play when I get back in the car |
| 16:45:15 | agaffney | linuxstb: that's pretty much the full extent |
| 16:45:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Done. |
| 16:45:41 | agaffney | I did a database update yesterday after removing some music, but I had this problem before the database update |
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| 16:46:17 | GodEater | there you go Cripps, it's now official ;) |
| 16:46:24 | GodEater | thanks for pointing out our error for us |
| 16:46:43 | Cripps | GodEater, any way I can help :) |
| 16:46:56 | linuxstb | agaffney: When do the problems appear? e.g. always after you resume the playlist (pressing play after turning back on), or before that, or both? Is it ever in the first couple of songs you play, or later? |
| 16:47:19 | agaffney | linuxstb: I don't think it's ever happened on the first song after a resume |
| 16:47:25 | agaffney | it's always after a few songs |
| 16:47:31 | agaffney | this morning, it was after 10-15 |
| 16:47:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | Cripps: Just curious... is your iPod indeed an iPod video? Or is it an iPod Classic? |
| 16:48:03 | linuxstb | agaffney: What about before the resume? i.e. between the time you first create the playlist, and when you power off? |
| 16:48:11 | agaffney | linuxstb: and it doesn't always freeze on a particular song |
| 16:48:21 | agaffney | I can turn it off and back on, and play that song again without issue |
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| 16:48:32 | Cripps | LambdaCalculus37, I don't have one yet ... I'm scoping out an investment before I buy one ;) |
| 16:48:48 | agaffney | linuxstb: not entirely sure, since I don't create a new play list often, but I don't think it's happened then |
| 16:49:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Cripps: Just a heads up, then... the new iPod Classics are incompatible, so go onto eBay and get an iPod video. |
| 16:49:31 | Cripps | LambdaCalculus37, yeah, I sort of figured I'd have to go out and find an older device,. |
| 16:49:33 | BigBambi | I'd by something other than an ipod to use Rockbox on |
| 16:49:39 | BigBambi | *buy |
| 16:49:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | BigBambi's right, Cripps. |
| 16:49:51 | Cripps | BigBambi, any suggestions of something with similar storage capacity? |
| 16:50:07 | * | LambdaCalculus37 whips out his Gigabeat S60 |
| 16:50:10 | BigBambi | Cripps: The gigabeat F60 |
| 16:50:12 | Cripps | I've got an iAudio X5 right now, but it's got some issues. |
| 16:50:22 | BigBambi | (or when it is better supported the S60) |
| 16:50:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Cripps: What's wrong with your X5? |
| 16:50:36 | BigBambi | The X5 is better for Rockbox than an iPod |
| 16:50:39 | Cripps | LambdaCalculus37, hold on and I'll finish typing it ;) |
| 16:50:49 | linuxstb | agaffney: What bitrate are your mp3 files? Are they generally quite low (e.g. 128kbps)? |
| 16:51:05 | Cripps | I've got an iAudio x5 (the 20Gig model) running rockbox (r17058-080409), and my display has an odd sort of corruption. Yesterday my display started "rolling" horizontally, and then switched to just a plain grey, resetting the device hasn't fixed it, and I can't tell if it's just the firmware because I haven't had the opportunity to replace it with the cowan firmware yet. |
| 16:51:17 | Cripps | *poof* a pre-typed description of the problem :P |
| 16:51:29 | BigBambi | That's an old build |
| 16:51:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | Have you tried updating your build? |
| 16:51:33 | agaffney | linuxstb: it's a mix...CBR 128, CBR 196, and VBR |
| 16:51:40 | BigBambi | It is always worth trying with a new one first |
| 16:52:01 | BigBambi | But yes, you need to check if it is there in the OF too |
| 16:52:06 | Cripps | BigBambi, k. Well, that'll have to wait until I get home and find the AC adapter first. |
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| 16:52:41 | BigBambi | Cripps: Have you looked at www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide |
| 16:52:41 | Cripps | the issue has happened before, but iirc, it's *magically* resolved itself. |
| 16:52:53 | BigBambi | Without changing build? |
| 16:52:57 | Cripps | BigBambi, I actually didn't know that page existed, so I'll go look at it. |
| 16:53:08 | Cripps | BigBambi, yeah, without changing build. |
| 16:53:22 | GodEater | buying a new target seems an extreme way to fix what could be a software issue |
| 16:53:34 | BigBambi | Yes, I'd check the OF first |
| 16:53:43 | Cripps | yeah, but I'm also keeping my eye out for something with more storage space anyways. |
| 16:53:44 | BigBambi | If it is a Rockbox issue, it is fixable :) |
| 16:53:50 | Cripps | yep :) |
| 16:53:58 | pixelma | you don't need an AC adapter "just" the subpack and an USB cable to update the Rockbox build but it indeed sounds more like a hardware issue |
| 16:54:00 | GodEater | Cripps: you could always just upgrade the hard drive in the device |
| 16:54:31 | Cripps | pixelma, right ... the AC adapter is only needed for the bootloader ... silly me. |
| 16:54:48 | Cripps | GodEater, know any docs for how to do that with the x5? |
| 16:54:57 | BigBambi | Cripps: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement |
| 16:55:19 | linuxstb | agaffney: What I think could be useful is if you copied about 20 random files into a directory by themselves, and then (using the file browser) played that directory of files (without shuffle), and see if you can recreate the problem. My guess is that there is something Rockbox doesn't like about some of your files, and it also depends on how that file is buffered in RAM (which depends on it's position in a playlist). So when you resume |
| 16:55:19 | linuxstb | a track that froze, it's being loaded at the start of the buffer, and works fine there. |
| 16:55:53 | BigBambi | Cripps: And I'm sure you can find stuff on google for what you have to do to open, if there is any odd firmware steps etc |
| 16:56:18 | Cripps | BigBambi, yeah, that shouldn't be an issue, thanks. |
| 16:57:26 | Cripps | damn ... no drives large enough, small enough, in a 50 pin connector :/ |
| 16:57:53 | BigBambi | People have used an adaptor in a gigabeat F, but I have no idea if there is enough space in a X5 |
| 16:58:14 | BigBambi | Cripps: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17683.0 |
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| 17:00:04 | Cripps | BigBambi, I don't think there's enough room in the x5 ... in the x5L there would be (sacrificing one of the battery cells), but I don't have one o dems :( |
| 17:00:23 | BigBambi | It wouldn't surprise me, no |
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| 17:04:20 | agaffney | linuxstb: this one sounds "fun" :) |
| 17:04:30 | Cripps | :o |
| 17:04:44 | Cripps | I just updated the build, and it worked. |
| 17:04:46 | linuxstb | agaffney: Yes, that's one way to describe Rockbox's playback code... |
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| 17:04:55 | Cripps | :D |
| 17:05:02 | agaffney | linuxstb: heh |
| 17:05:27 | Cripps | BigBambi, thanks for the help :) |
| 17:05:42 | * | Nico_P confirms: playback code is pure fun |
| 17:06:07 | linuxstb | Nico_P: How's your "no buffer" hack coming along? |
| 17:06:08 | * | Cripps confirms that inline asm is fun |
| 17:06:09 | BigBambi | Cripps: No problems |
| 17:06:53 | Nico_P | linuxstb: it plays OK, but will eventually crash |
| 17:07:08 | Nico_P | I've only spent two short evenings on it |
| 17:07:51 | linuxstb | How long does it work before crashing? Can it play more than one track? |
| 17:08:13 | Nico_P | yes... I think the issue is with file descriptor abuse |
| 17:09:45 | Nico_P | the thing is it wastes much of the data it reads from the disk/flash |
| 17:10:03 | Nico_P | at least that's what I saw with MP3 |
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| 17:14:45 | Cripps | on the docsindex there is a link to the flyspray how to, and a link to a description of flyspray, but there is no link to flyspray in either of those docs; How can I access/search through flyspray? |
| 17:17:32 | BigBambi | Cripps: It is the bugs and patches links on the left of the page |
| 17:18:09 | Cripps | BigBambi, thanks. |
| 17:18:53 | Lear | agaffney: A playback bug was fixed a week ago... Is your build before or after that? |
| 17:19:26 | agaffney | probably just before |
| 17:20:19 | agaffney | Lear: how long did this playback bug exist, because I've been seeing this problem for 6+ weeks |
| 17:21:26 | Lear | Quite some time. I don't remember exactly when I first saw it, may have been a couple of months ago. |
| 17:21:44 | agaffney | well, I'll definitely try updating today then |
| 17:21:49 | agaffney | I'd be quite happy if that fixed it |
| 17:22:08 | agaffney | other than these freezes, I'm loving rockbox |
| 17:22:51 | agaffney | Lear: do you know what revision that bug was fixed in? |
| 17:22:59 | Lear | r18009 |
| 17:24:27 | agaffney | hmm, I never said what svn revision I was using with the update from a week ago |
| 17:24:33 | agaffney | but I know it was very low 18000 |
| 17:24:38 | agaffney | perhaps 18005-ish |
| 17:25:08 | agaffney | actually, I'll just check :P |
| 17:25:51 | agaffney | hmm, I'm currently running 18009 |
| 17:25:57 | * | linuxstb forgot to say the old line of "please check with the latest build"... |
| 17:26:30 | agaffney | I just wish this was easily reproducible, so I could quickly check if a build fixes it :P |
| 17:29:05 | agaffney | I just updated to r18085 and I'm just going to let it play |
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| 17:32:09 | Lear | If the bug is similar in nature (a corrupt buffer handle), a custom build with some validation code could help. |
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| 17:35:09 | Rasi | hi |
| 17:35:18 | Rasi | does rockbox support the sandisk e260 player? |
| 17:35:27 | Rasi | its not mentioned on the webpage.. only the e200 |
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| 17:35:36 | BigBambi | That is the e200 series |
| 17:35:40 | MethoS- | http://www.rockbox.org |
| 17:35:42 | Rasi | so it works? |
| 17:35:44 | Rasi | cool |
| 17:35:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. |
| 17:35:50 | Rasi | can i flash it from linux? |
| 17:35:52 | BigBambi | As long as it is v1 |
| 17:35:54 | MethoS- | yes |
| 17:36:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rasi: What is the firmware version on your Sansa? |
| 17:36:16 | BigBambi | Rasi: The manual is a lovely thing, hand crafted with the sweat of ages |
| 17:36:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rasi: Fermented in fine oak barrels throughout the fields of Europe and the U.S... ;) |
| 17:37:35 | massiveH | wow, I want _that_ manual. |
| 17:37:49 | massiveH | not this crummy wiki thing. |
| 17:37:59 | BigBambi | massiveH: Luckily for you, even after all this effort, we give it away |
| 17:38:06 | Rasi | v03.01.11e |
| 17:38:12 | Rasi | thats the firmware |
| 17:38:19 | BigBambi | It is quite hidden though, under the manual link of every page |
| 17:38:26 | BigBambi | Rasi: That is a v2 and won't work |
| 17:38:31 | Rasi | damn |
| 17:38:38 | * | massiveH goes in search of "The Manual" |
| 17:38:50 | Rasi | any chance it might one day? |
| 17:38:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rasi: When people work on the port. |
| 17:39:07 | BigBambi | Sure, if interested owners do the work |
| 17:39:22 | BigBambi | I would say it probably will be, but no guarantees on that, or when |
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| 18:06:27 | wpyh | hi |
| 18:06:37 | wpyh | it's so quiet in here |
| 18:06:38 | wpyh | anyway |
| 18:07:03 | wpyh | can we attach images directly in the wiki, instead of linking to other websites? |
| 18:07:13 | wpyh | and before someone asks for clarification, |
| 18:07:38 | wpyh | I mean is it better to attach directly, or better to link to other websites? |
| 18:07:51 | wpyh | I think it's better to attach the images directly because then we have a static archive |
| 18:08:07 | wpyh | this is especially important for pictures of players' internals |
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| 18:09:22 | scorche|sh | it depends...something like player's internals should definitely be attached (was that really worth 8 lines?) |
| 18:13:00 | wpyh | ok :) |
| 18:13:12 | wpyh | as for your question: definitely |
| 18:13:13 | wpyh | :D |
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| 18:16:05 | wpyh | I want to upload photos for Onda players: VX757, VX767 and VX777 |
| 18:16:13 | wpyh | should I create a new page for each? |
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| 18:23:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | wpyh: If they're really similar to one another, that may be a waste. You could put them on one page. Something like "OndaVXHardwareInfo" would work. |
| 18:24:54 | wpyh | LambaCalculus37: good idea |
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| 18:26:10 | Spindizy | Hell everyone, I have a question. I upgraded my ipod nano to the daily build of rockbox.. and of course.. my themes broke.. Downloaded new themes, still broke.. I cant figure out what I need to change in order to fix them (Not a retard, but just never messed with themes..) Any ideas? |
| 18:26:34 | wpyh | hm... maybe OndaVX7x7 is better |
| 18:27:15 | Spindizy | ? |
| 18:27:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | Spindizy: There have been some changes to the WPS syntax. Basically, we now have conditional viewports. |
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| 18:27:51 | PaulJam_ | Spindizy: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17507.0 |
| 18:27:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | You can either go look for themes that have been fixed, or read this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS and follow along. |
| 18:29:02 | MXIIA | what software is the wiki using? |
| 18:32:55 | Spindizy | Jesus.. Ive been to the CustomWPS page.. and unless im missing something blatantly obvious.. I dont know what im supposed to be changing in the theme itself.. I have also downloaded themes from www.rockbox-themes.org that say they work with any daily build.. They still dont work right. |
| 18:33:23 | Spindizy | ive been using rockbox for over 3 years now. |
| 18:33:29 | Spindizy | ive just never made a theme for it. |
| 18:34:21 | Spindizy | Quite personally.. I think this is going to hinder rockbox's progress with "Mainstream" individuals.. People want to download things and have them work.. |
| 18:34:28 | Spindizy | This is quite frustrating. |
| 18:34:30 | Spindizy | heh |
| 18:35:08 | MXIIA | yea, I tried some themes from that site... glitchy... I've used RB for about a month now :p |
| 18:35:36 | Spindizy | Really tho, None of the themes I like, work.. And I redownloaded them ALL.. They still dont work. |
| 18:36:21 | domonoky | there were some changes to the wps code in rockbox lastly, so those themes need to be updated... |
| 18:36:41 | domonoky | and who cares about "mainstream" ? :-) |
| 18:36:55 | Spindizy | The community should, honestly. |
| 18:36:59 | PaulJam_ | Spindizy: almost all themes on that site are broken (and can't be updated currently). On the WpsGallery page in the wiki you are more likely to find a working theme |
| 18:37:12 | Spindizy | Thanks PaulJam_ |
| 18:37:36 | domonoky | and the rockbox-themes site still awaits his successor ... *hint to linuxstb? * |
| 18:38:22 | MXIIA | linuxstb? |
| 18:38:42 | MXIIA | oh nvm |
| 18:39:40 | Spindizy | heh |
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| 18:44:42 | Spindizy | Welp, PHK1, Cabbie3nano, and Aurora_EN all DO NOT work from the wpsgallery page. |
| 18:44:58 | Spindizy | the only working one I found that I can stand comes with it now.. and thats cabbiev2 |
| 18:45:07 | Spindizy | so I guess thats what Im stuck with for now. |
| 18:45:14 | MXIIA | cabbie3 works on mine |
| 18:45:16 | num1 | is there a wiki page describing the changes made to WPS format? |
| 18:45:21 | scorche|sh | it is relatively simple to fix them... |
| 18:46:25 | Spindizy | it is relatively simple to fix them for someone that "understands" the change.. I first of all, do not understand exactly what changed in the syntax.. and 2ndly.. im at work.. I dont have time to go thru it.. and im busy after work.. I dont have time to do it. So it may be simple for you to do it. but currently, for me it is not. |
| 18:46:30 | PaulJam_ | scorche|sh: not neccessarily. if the WPS contains %m tags it might not be trivial to fix. |
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| 18:47:07 | Spindizy | Quite personally, I think this was a very irresponsible codebase. decision |
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| 18:48:24 | Spindizy | Why would you impliment a change thats going to break 95% of the themes out there.. and especially not provide some sort of method to fix it OTHER THAN "Go read the wiki" |
| 18:48:35 | Spindizy | I mean, if there was a conversion tool that could handle the easier fixes |
| 18:48:40 | Spindizy | I'd be cool with it. |
| 18:48:51 | Spindizy | but I dont even see that. |
| 18:48:56 | Spindizy | and that sorta pisses me off. |
| 18:49:02 | num1 | Spindizy: not necessarily, by changing the format they might have increased speed, ease of use (have you evere tried to write one...), code size, there's plenty of reasons |
| 18:49:23 | num1 | Doing any of the above mentioned would be worth changing the format IMO |
| 18:49:32 | Spindizy | No, i havent tried to write one.. thats the whole reason im here.. because if i had i'd probably be fixing my themes. |
| 18:50:00 | num1 | Here, which one specifically are you trying to use? I'll see if I can fix it up for you |
| 18:50:08 | Spindizy | It would be worth it for you num1.. but its not worth it for people who hate apple firmware and want to use something better, but dont have the foggiest clue how to change anything in a theme file. |
| 18:50:17 | PaulJam_ | Spindizy: there is a perl script to fix the progressbar syntax available: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17759 |
| 18:51:03 | Spindizy | num1: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/WpsIpodNano?rev=1;filename=Aurora_EN.zip |
| 18:51:06 | PaulJam_ | but that will only fix the theme if it doesn't contain additional %m tags |
| 18:51:25 | Spindizy | well.. thats a start at least. |
| 18:51:37 | * | Spindizy wonders if he installed perl in cygwin. |
| 18:52:18 | Spindizy | im honestly really surprised one of the community script kiddies hasnt written something in VB to do this yet. |
| 18:52:55 | Spindizy | im gonna step outside for a second.. I appreciate the help num1.. i'll be back in 10. |
| 18:52:59 | PaulJam_ | i don't think here are many "script kiddies" around |
| 18:53:11 | num1 | where'd you find that? do you have a file that has the wps and not just screenshots? |
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| 18:53:52 | num1 | hey the screenhot looks kinda cool though... |
| 18:55:02 | num1 | o... ignore my last question... I was just being an idiot :D |
| 18:55:03 | scorche|sh | Spindizy: projects move to new formats/methods/etc all the time...i dont see why you are having such an issue with it...this is just an adjusting period...viewports is a pretty big change that can enable people to do much more |
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| 19:02:37 | Spindizy | omg.. i work with f'ing idiots. |
| 19:04:29 | Spindizy | scorche|sh: I have a problem with anything that breaks something thats worked for 3 years.. and theres no good fix for it. |
| 19:05:06 | num1 | well, I don't have a nano to test this on, but try http://pastebin.com/d4ab5c1f7 as your "Auroa EN.wps" and see what happens |
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| 19:07:12 | num1 | (If Spindizy declares that it works can I have wiki write permision to update the wps?) |
| 19:07:49 | Spindizy | getting it now. |
| 19:08:14 | Spindizy | num1: what is the name of that file supposed to be? |
| 19:08:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | num1: Did you register on the wiki already? |
| 19:09:26 | scorche|sh | Spindizy: so should we not ever move to new, better systems?...it isnt really something that is scriptable |
| 19:09:28 | num1 | save it as "Aurora EN.wps" and replace the Aurora EN.wps that's already in the there at .rockbox/wps/ |
| 19:09:39 | num1 | yea, I just did, as BrianCloutier |
| 19:10:40 | PaulJam_ | num1: unfortunatey the theme doesn't seem to be under a license that allows modification. :( |
| 19:11:04 | scorche|sh | PaulJam_: well, it can be modified...it just cant be distributed in a modified state ;) |
| 19:11:14 | Spindizy | what about letting him post a link to his fix? |
| 19:11:49 | scorche|sh | he can put a patch up, sure...or tell people how to modify it |
| 19:11:55 | * | shotofadds thinks these broken and unmodifiable themes could be moved to a "ThemesGraveyard" page to avoid confusing people in future |
| 19:12:08 | * | LambdaCalculus37 seconds shotofadds' idea |
| 19:12:20 | * | scorche|sh looks over at linuxstb |
| 19:12:31 | shotofadds | he's got quite an audience now :p |
| 19:12:39 | scorche|sh | i know how he feels |
| 19:12:40 | scorche|sh | ;) |
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| 19:12:53 | num1 | Ignore my ignorance PaulJarn, it looks like it's not under a license at all |
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| 19:15:22 | Spindizy | you most certainly fixed it num1 |
| 19:15:24 | Spindizy | good job. |
| 19:15:42 | num1 | Spindizy: Thank you, I hope you enjoy using it |
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| 19:16:01 | Spindizy | i do, the only glitch is, theres some stacked stuff in the upper left. |
| 19:16:17 | Spindizy | and one thing is |
| 19:16:19 | Spindizy | the progress bar. |
| 19:16:21 | Spindizy | is at the top |
| 19:16:28 | Spindizy | instead of at the bottom where its supposed to be |
| 19:16:28 | num1 | Spindizy: can you describe that more clearly? |
| 19:16:36 | Spindizy | the progress bar starts behind the battery icon |
| 19:16:37 | Spindizy | heh |
| 19:16:43 | num1 | Spindizy: So you're saying I didn't fix it? :D |
| 19:16:57 | Spindizy | Well |
| 19:16:59 | Spindizy | it loads. |
| 19:17:03 | Spindizy | but its got bugs :) |
| 19:17:40 | num1 | lol, here, let me take another look, can you send me a screenshot of the new 'buggy' version or describe exectely what's stacked? |
| 19:17:41 | scorche|sh | Spindizy: please dont use the enter key as punctuation...it makes things harder to read and just fills up the logs |
| 19:18:04 | Spindizy | Sorry. |
| 19:18:05 | num1 | s/exectely/exactely |
| 19:18:36 | num1 | s/exactely/exactly |
| 19:19:04 | Spindizy | num1: instead of being in the lower middle of the screen, the progress bar starts in the upper middle.. behind the battery icon. |
| 19:19:56 | Spindizy | the progress bar runs right thru the middle of the words "Now Playing" |
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| 19:23:44 | PaulJam_ | Spindizy: try the following, open the .wps file with a text editor and replace the line starting with %pb with the following: %pb|ProgressBar.bmp|8|86|159|8| |
| 19:23:55 | num1 | Is the progress bar the only thing that's wierd? |
| 19:24:04 | Spindizy | seems to be. |
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| 19:25:14 | Spindizy | yeah, that fixed it num1 |
| 19:25:57 | Spindizy | so, my question is.. how trivial of a fix was that. |
| 19:26:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | Trivial enough that *anyone* who wanted to could fix it. |
| 19:26:54 | num1 | lol, that was an incredibly trivial fix, but it allowed you to have multiple (up to 3) status bars on the same WPS, along with 24 viewpoints |
| 19:27:17 | num1 | yeah, I just double checked it, %pb|ProgressBar.bmp|8|86|159|8| is what you should use |
| 19:27:55 | Spindizy | well, now that I have your fix.. and the origional, I can diff them and see what you did.. So that when I get some time i'll try to fix my own. |
| 19:28:14 | num1 | lol, it's a two line difference Spindizy |
| 19:28:14 | Spindizy | your help is much appreciated :) |
| 19:28:39 | Spindizy | either way, thanks. |
| 19:29:28 | Spindizy | for my brain, its easier to see it laid out like that, then spend a bunch of time reading up on the new syntax and guessing. |
| 19:29:41 | num1 | Spindizy: No problem, just try to bash the system a little less next time please, the developers think very carefully about every decision they make, especially ones that change formats like this |
| 19:30:20 | Spindizy | im not bashing the system.. I bashed ONE decision. Overall, im happy with rockbox.. thats why I get so excited about it when things dont work. |
| 19:30:42 | num1 | LambdeCalculus37: Did you reach a decision on the Wiki write permission? I'm pretty certain you can post a modified copy, or there's no copyright notice in the wiki right now |
| 19:30:54 | Spindizy | Im still not happy with a decision that breaks things like this.. because Ive turned on a lot of people to rockbox, who will have no idea how to fix that. |
| 19:31:36 | Spindizy | I understand why the decision was made, i just think it could possibly have been made a little more elegant. |
| 19:31:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | num1: I think you should try contacting the original author of the WPS and asking them if it's okay to post a modified version, just to be safe. |
| 19:31:58 | num1 | LambdaCalculus37: okay, will do |
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| 19:37:59 | num1 | LambdaCalculus37: I just checked there's no e-mail address on his user page, and I don't know enough arabic to find his address on his personal page |
| 19:38:20 | num1 | s/his/'the person who made the wps' |
| 19:38:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hmmm... |
| 19:40:05 | scorche|sh | Spindizy: how could it have been made more elegantly? |
| 19:40:22 | num1 | How about doing as __ suggested and posting a link or providing instructions on fixing it inline with the screenshots |
| 19:40:48 | scorche|sh | num1: there are lots of instructions how to fix it in the forums |
| 19:42:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | num1: You have write permission now. Make sure to mention that you updated the theme to use conditional viewports when you post it up! |
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| 19:42:47 | PaulJam_ | LambdaCalculus37: why? there are no cond VPs in thet theme. |
| 19:42:50 | pedrov | fdinel: hi :) |
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| 19:43:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | PaulJam_: Oh, right. Sorry. :P |
| 19:43:25 | fdinel | hey pedrov how are you :) |
| 19:43:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | num1: Make that "Updated to use new WPS syntax". |
| 19:43:38 | pedrov | fdinel: fine :) |
| 19:44:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | pedrov & fdnel: This isn't a social channel. Take the social talk elsewhere. |
| 19:44:12 | pedrov | LambdaCalculus37: ok, sorry |
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| 19:46:51 | num1 | LombdaCalculus37: alright, thanks |
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| 19:51:38 | fml | Hello. The CustomWPS page in the wiki states that e.g. the label for the repeat mode (%mm) gives the values 0 to 4. But in the code (in gwps-common.c), one is added to the setting's current value. Doesn't that mean the the values returned by the tag is 1 to 5? |
| 19:52:58 | fml | I'm asking because I try to update the patch in FS #8965. |
| 19:55:07 | fml | Nico_P: have you had a chance to look at FS #9197? |
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| 20:00:31 | Nico_P | fml: only a quick glance. I'll check it more seriously this weekend hopefully |
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| 20:02:10 | fml | Nico_P: ok. Do you have admin rights in FlySpray? Could you reopen FS #8965. I requested to close it but it can actually still be used (I'll provide a patch soon). |
| 20:03:42 | PaulJam_ | fml: you could make a test WPS containing a %mm tag to find out. |
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| 20:08:55 | fml | PaulJam_: I think I'm right. The string and num values returned are 1 based (in all tags). The wps displaying code assumes so. |
| 20:09:58 | fml | But it's weird: if I use the new %ms tag in a conditional everything works as expected. But if I use it 'naked' (i.e. %ms) I get a seg fault (in the sim). |
| 20:11:35 | fml | Same with other tags, e.g. %mm |
| 20:12:18 | PaulJam_ | here too. i guess noone notices since it doesn't make sense to use them not in a conditional |
| 20:16:12 | fml | PaulJam_: can you read C code? I think the code in gwps-common.c (e.g. line 1145) is weird. If intval is NULL, the *intval isn't changed but then is written to buf. I think both statements should be protected, i.e. we need {} |
| 20:19:04 | PaulJam_ | i can read it. not sure if i understand it, though :) but i can take a look |
| 20:21:17 | domonoky | fml, i think you are right, it would access the null pointer in the snprintf it surely segfaults (on sim).. |
| 20:23:09 | fml | domonoky: yes, that's wrong but that's not the cause of the seg fault. How are the settings stored? I.e. if we have the values 1, 3, 5, 10, is the actual value of the setting 0, 1, 2, 3 (i.e. the index in the list of possible values) or the value itself? |
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| 20:25:03 | domonoky | hm, i dont really know how they are stored..but accessing a NULL pointer is always bad, so *someone* should commit a fix :-) |
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| 20:29:07 | domonoky | settings.h tells me these settings begin counting with 0. |
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| 20:34:15 | fml | I've tried and found out that skip_length is stored as a value, not as index |
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| 20:36:15 | PaulJam_ | fml: concerning the %mm tag, i think line 1146 should be: snprintf(buf, buf_size, "%d", global_settings.repeat_mode); |
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| 20:37:38 | fml | PaulJam_: no I think it's correct. gwps-common awaits it 1-based. |
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| 20:42:39 | PaulJam_ | well, it doesn't segfault anymore when i use that. but Nico_P and JdGorddon are the WPS experts. and i'm not too god at C. |
| 20:42:47 | PaulJam_ | *good |
| 20:45:11 | PaulJam_ | i thought when "intval" is a null pointer then "snprintf(buf, buf_size, "%d", *intval);" would be bad. |
| 20:45:25 | fml | Do you use it in conditional or naked? |
| 20:45:39 | fml | PaulJam_: that would still be bad and needs a fix |
| 20:46:24 | PaulJam_ | just %mm (not as a conditional) |
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| 21:00:51 | fml | PaulJam_: it doesn't crash here but I get garbage with %mm :-/ |
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| 22:15:41 | fml | Hello. Could a FS admin reopen the task FS #8965 please? |
| 22:17:24 | petur | done |
| 22:17:48 | petur | I remember that Moos got told to reopen it, seems he forgot |
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| 22:22:43 | fml | petur: thanks. I've put the patch in. |
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| 22:27:31 | PaulJam_ | fml: are you sure you posted the correct patch? |
| 22:29:01 | fml | PaulJam_ : no! :-) |
| 22:30:21 | fml | PaulJam_: updated |
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| 22:31:38 | midgey | anyone ever gotten an abort while building rbspeexenc? |
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| 22:32:15 | fml | midgey: you? |
| 22:32:42 | Luigi12 | does rockbox support any filesystems besides FAT32? |
| 22:32:51 | midgey | i've been hacking up espeak to get it working on mac and i somehow broke my build environment |
| 22:32:55 | midgey | Luigi12: no |
| 22:33:05 | Luigi12 | midgey: thanks |
| 22:33:13 | linuxstb | FAT16 ;) |
| 22:33:16 | midgey | well, do we support FAT16 or FAT12 on sd? |
| 22:33:29 | midgey | linuxstb: :) |
| 22:33:47 | linuxstb | Luigi12: It's considered a _lot_ of work for very small gain. |
| 22:33:56 | amiconn | midgey: FAT16: yes, FAT12: no |
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| 22:35:05 | Luigi12 | interesting. The reason I ask is I use Linux, so my music is stored on ext3 which supports a few chars in filenames that FAT32 doesn't ", \, : , and ? namely, and I'm trying to figure out an easy way to get those files onto the system. NTFS or ext3 would make it trivial of course.. |
| 22:35:57 | num1 | Luigi12: I recommend writing a script to remove the offending characters |
| 22:36:50 | Luigi12 | num1: yep, I will have to do that, just need to figure out how |
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| 22:38:19 | num1 | Luigi12: I would recommend for'ing all the files in the directory, and mv'ing them to a place specified by sed, which replaces the chars with _ or sumthing |
| 22:38:28 | scorche|sh | i am sure scripts are around on the internet somewhere, but this is getting a it offtopic here |
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| 23:05:44 | fml | PaulJam_: how did you spot the wrong patch? |
| 23:06:05 | PaulJam_ | i looked at it? |
| 23:06:36 | fml | PaulJam_: ah, I thought by the file name :-) |
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| 23:47:29 | agaffney | bah, the e260 froze again |
| 23:47:34 | agaffney | I just left it playing all day |
| 23:47:40 | agaffney | after updating rockbox today |
| 23:47:54 | agaffney | the display shows that it's 2s from the end of song 54 in the playlist |
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| 23:51:22 | Keripo | Hello, I'm planning on buying a new 8GB Sansa e200 (from a Future Shop sale) and I was wondering what the chances are that it is a Rockbox compatible V1 |
| 23:51:34 | agaffney | 50/50 |
| 23:51:39 | agaffney | the v1 is and the v2 isn't (yet) |
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| 23:53:13 | Keripo | No way to tell apart other than inspecting the box (or the player itself)? |
| 23:53:33 | agaffney | you have to look at the firmware version on the player |
| 23:53:47 | Keripo | all new e200s that are being shipped aren't all V2s? |
| 23:54:09 | agaffney | if it's new, it's likely v2 |
| 23:54:29 | Keripo | alright, makes sense. Thanks. |
| 23:57:48 | rasher | Keripo: If the box mentions audible support, it's definitely a v2 |
| 23:57:52 | bertrik | I think there are other clues like audible support for v2's but the only sure way to be sure is by looking at the firmware version |
| 23:58:27 | Keripo | Sansa's with Rhapsody can also be V2s? |
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| 23:58:49 | rasher | If it doesn't mention Audible support, there's a good chance it's a v1 (but you might still get unlucky and get a v2) |
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