#rockbox 2008-07-21

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#rockbox log for 2008-07-21

00:00:17	amiconn	And the only difference is again database.ignore
00:00:52	linuxstb	bluebrother: That sounds fair enough to me. The advantage would be that the install chapter would then be more or less identical for all targets...
00:01:40	amiconn	rasher: Hmm, and it didn't clean up the 'codepages' output in the build dir
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00:02:32	rasher	Ah right, forgot about that.
00:03:39	bluebrother	and I'd really like to see all those outdated tutorials based on the patchers getting broken. Maybe move the patchers out of the bootloader/ folder on the webserver?
00:04:10	pixelma	before the manual installation gets just moved it needs to be reviewed for general information that you should know while attempting an automatic install. IMO there is some.
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00:04:41	bluebrother	true.
00:04:46	pixelma	I mean the chapters of course
00:05:16	bluebrother	optimally those information would be present in rbutil, but this will take some time ...
00:05:29	linuxstb	bluebrother: I partly agree, but for example ipodpatcher is used by IPL, so that would also break (probably correct) IPL install instructions.
00:06:55	bluebrother	is IPLs website up again anyway?
00:07:53	bluebrother	well, another (but IMO more annoying) way would be to redirect download attempts to a website pointing out rbutil and the differences, and only if you click a button you get to download the file
00:08:40	bluebrother	of course we could simply move the files so IPL has a chance to update their links, and redirect the old links to some explanation html page
00:09:07	amiconn	rasher: I see that you replaced the 'touch' that added database.ignore by an open(). Maybe you need to close() it explicitly before zipping?
00:09:18	amiconn	Could be tha the file is locked while it's open
00:09:51	*	amiconn should just try that
00:09:53	rasher	amiconn: Nope - the default mode is to open with mode 'r', which doesn't create the file if it doesn't exist
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00:10:05	amiconn	ah
00:10:24	rasher	New (final?) patch submitted
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00:13:46	amiconn	"cannot remove directory for .rockbox: Directory not empty at /home/Jens/rockbox/tools/buildzip.pl line 464"
00:14:07	amiconn	This is because of the still opened file
00:14:17	amiconn	Closing it fixes the problem
00:14:33	rasher	Ah, that was a silly mistake.
00:15:52	amiconn	The created .zip now matches svn
00:16:19	rasher	Beautiful.
00:16:36	rasher	Now it's just a matter of whether or not I dare commit it.
00:16:52	rasher	(with a close(IGNORE) added, of course)
00:17:00	*	amiconn would appreciate it
00:18:03	linuxstb	bluebrother: No, IPL's website isn't back yet, but I believe it's being worked on (i.e. not abandoned)
00:19:07	*	amiconn wonders whether the >/dev/null in the if($verbose) print .... is on purpose
00:20:09	amiconn	Umm, of course it is...
00:20:49	*	rasher made the same mistake
00:21:41	rasher	Committed.
00:22:18	Nico_P	rasher: you make it use perl functions instead of system ones for file operations?
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00:22:59	Nico_P	hmm I should've read the FS task summary before asking
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00:23:25	rasher	I should have linked the task in my commit message, of course.
00:23:46	rasher	But yes, that's exactly what I do
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00:24:04	Nico_P	nice
00:24:55	Nico_P	is the sim's "make install" still "make zip + unzip"?
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00:25:50	rasher	I think the cygwin-using people owe me a beer now
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00:26:14	rasher	Nico_P: Yeah, I think so. It seems a bit silly
00:26:21	Nico_P	indeed
00:26:43	amiconn	rasher: Would it perhaps pay off to add a glob_move() as well? (for the .cp files)
00:27:36	rasher	amiconn: I doubt it matters much, speed-wise. But it'd probably look nicer
00:27:58	Nico_P	rasher: there's the overhead of compression
00:30:15	rasher	Nico_P: not in what amiconn is talking about. But yes, separating the zipping part would be a welcome change I guess
00:30:25	Nico_P	ah, sorry
00:30:29	amiconn	Also, is there a difference in using system() vs. using backticks for calling programs, performance wise?
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00:31:06	rasher	amiconn: I think they're the same. I just changed to system() because it's more obvious than backticks imho
00:31:30	amiconn	I'm asking because the ziptool call uses system, and convbdf uses backticks
00:32:13	rasher	I'd be surprised if there was any difference.
00:34:44	amiconn	Also, there is still a 'find' call which checks for any codecs present
00:34:54	amiconn	(line 287ff)
00:35:58	rasher	Yeah. Didn't quite fit in with the other find calls I changed, and it's only a single command, so it shouldn't be a big slowdown
00:36:13	*	amiconn thinks it's strange to first create the destination dir, then copy (maybe zero) files, and then check whethere there are files in the diestination dir
00:36:35	rasher	Actually, just running rmdir regardless should work (and ignore any errors)
00:36:51	amiconn	Imho it would make sense to check the source first, and only create the destination dir if there is something to copy
00:37:14	amiconn	I know that this was there before your commit...
00:38:16	rasher	I think it makes more sense to not do any checking, and just attempt to remove the dir (which will fail if it's not empty)
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00:44:53	rasher	There's no real reason to do the check
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00:55:19	amiconn	rasher: Btw, convbdf can batch-convert input files matching a pattern, but then it outputs to the current directory
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00:56:10	rasher	That sounds promising
00:56:31	amiconn	So if the perl script could temporarily change to $ROOT/fonts/ , it would be possible to replace lines 210..228 with a single call
00:57:19	amiconn	It's just $ROOT/tools/convbdf -f -\"$ROOT/fonts/*.bdf\" >/dev/null 2>&1
00:58:05	amiconn	This would speed up 'make fullzip'
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01:00:15	amiconn	Err, of course it'd need to change into .rockbox/fonts/ temporarily
01:01:17	rasher	Yeah, and add a few ../ to the path
01:01:21	rasher	Trying it out
01:06:33	amiconn	Hmm, $ROOT isn't absolute...
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01:08:29	rasher	Actually it is, it seems. It's defined a few times
01:08:55	rasher	Or else Perl applies some sort of magic
01:11:17	rasher	amiconn: Got it working now. Let's see. I'll just commit it this time
01:12:08	rasher	(Famous last words)
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01:15:18	amiconn	The if ($verbose) got lost again...
01:15:43	amiconn	But it shaves another 20s from 'make fullzip'
01:19:16	rasher	Just a tiny difference on native Linux. Less than a second for me.
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01:39:53	amiconn	rasher: Umm, there is a bug now: The .rock files in the .zip no longer have the x bit set, meaning that sims can no longer execute plugins...
01:41:53	rasher	Oh dear
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01:49:09	rasher	amiconn: should codecs be executable as well?
01:50:01	amiconn	YEs
01:50:30	amiconn	I'm not sure whether this is true for linux, but windows wants its shared objects (aka dlls) being executable
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01:52:12	*	amiconn wonders why copy() doesn't keep permissions
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01:52:54	rasher	You're creating a new file. There's no reason why it should inherit permissions. Especially if you didn't own the original
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01:54:15	rasher	amiconn: should be fixed now
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02:01:27	amiconn	rasher: Thanks, it works now
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02:21:08	DerPapst	Bagder: still there?
02:23:50	Dhraakellian	what's the best way to uninstall manually installed themes?
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03:01:26	soap	delete the folder
03:02:48	Dhraakellian	delete everything bearing the themes name in .rockbox/themes, .rockbox/wps and .rockbox/backdrops?
03:02:55	*	Dhraakellian adds an apostrophe
03:05:02	soap	aye, folders and files.
03:07:00	Dhraakellian	I'm just glad Plain Text was easy to fix
03:07:36	Dhraakellian	simple, not very flashy, but informative and easy to read
03:09:16	Dhraakellian	now I just need to figure out how to get moodbars rendered as 176- (or would it be 174-)pixel-wide images so I can use them as per-track album art right above the progress bar
03:10:10	soap	is this going to be a bastardization of album art? (I say that in only the kindest way)
03:10:28	soap	Or do you have some other method for per-track conditionals?
03:10:38	Dhraakellian	hmm
03:11:09	Dhraakellian	I thought it already worked if there was a bmp with a name based on the current track's info
03:11:14	Dhraakellian	I might be mistaken though
03:11:41	soap	Current track's name, album name, or such.
03:12:13	soap	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt#Picture_Format
03:12:53	Dhraakellian	./ filename .bmp - same filename as currently playing music file
03:13:05	Dhraakellian	that'd be what I was remembering, I think
03:13:06	soap	there is no reason you couldn't create a "moodbar" image for specific albums / tracks, make it 176 pixels wide and 10 pixels high (for example) and use that.
03:13:16	Dhraakellian	hmm
03:13:33	Dhraakellian	or 1 pixel high and stack it?
03:13:53	soap	IIUC only one image can be called in this manner.
03:13:57	Dhraakellian	okay
03:14:35	soap	as there is no provision to call the last song's "album art" or the next song's "album art" :()
03:15:11	Dhraakellian	well, given that the progressbar itself is only about four pixels high, including the border, I don't think I'd want the moodbar to be too tall
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03:16:10	Dhraakellian	I think the main problem would be getting the .mood files rendered as 176x4 bitmaps
03:17:33	Dhraakellian	hmm... easiest way would probably be to yank the code from amarok and then see how to save a qpixmap as a .bmp
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03:20:16	soap	if you script that all up I am sure others would be interested in such a theme.
03:22:51	Dhraakellian	yarr
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04:09:02	ThomasG33K	So anyone up to a challenge?
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04:13:35	ThomasG33K	I have a 1st gen nano, using a mac. iPodpatcher does not detect my device even after I have it in FAT32 format
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04:16:58	webguest24	ThomasG33K: please double check if it is really a 1st gen: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 . Have you tried RbUtil?
04:17:38	ThomasG33K	yes, I am sure. Rbutil says it cant access the ipod
04:18:03	ThomasG33K	I did it manual but ipodpatcher cant find it either. Its mounted and all and formatted fat32
04:18:16	webguest24	do you run RbUtil or ipodpatcher with administrative rights?
04:19:21	ThomasG33K	I have admin privs yes
04:19:32	ThomasG33K	I didnt use sudo with catcher tho
04:20:58	webguest24	does the apple os on your ipod run fine?
04:22:14	ThomasG33K	yes
04:22:42	ThomasG33K	fyi I used manual way of formatting the ipod to fat32 on a mac
04:23:16	webguest24	then i'm out of ideas, sorry.
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04:26:07	ThomasG33K	thx for trying anyways :(
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04:28:22	flyback	any further status on the sansa m200 v1 port
04:28:36	flyback	I just bought my dad a new m250 to replace his m230 I broke the lcd on
04:28:45	flyback	so a rockbox port on this thing would let me work around the dead lcd
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04:30:29	webguest24	have you checked the thread in the new ports section of the forums?
04:32:01	flyback	yes
04:32:13	flyback	but sometimes live gets updated a bit faster than forum :P
04:32:24	flyback	looks like they need to write a nand driver next
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04:51:15	Llorean	ThomasG33K_away: You should try it with sudo.
04:51:51	jrincon87	hey, I just installed Rockbox on an Ipod mini but after that, I don't have access to it. I mean I can't even see my ipod mounted as a hard disk
04:52:04	Llorean	flyback: Please don't just show up to ask for status reports. People will update the thread when there's something to update, but if everyone interested in a port came in for status reports it'd get really noisy in here.
04:52:13	jrincon87	I don't have access from my computer
04:52:21	flyback	that's fine
04:52:23	Llorean	jrincon87: Have you tried manually rebooting into disk mode?
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04:52:42	jrincon87	how do I do that?
04:53:54	Llorean	Well, actually, first try this.
04:53:58	Llorean	Turn off your iPod
04:54:00	Llorean	Turn the hold switch on.
04:54:10	Llorean	While the switch is on, plug in USB and wait for it to boot up and see if it connects.
04:54:35	jrincon87	ok, hold on
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04:56:57	jrincon87	Llorean: I've done that but I doesn't happen anything...
04:57:22	Llorean	What do you mean?
04:57:29	Llorean	Surely it at least starts to boot?
04:57:36	jrincon87	I installed Rockbox from a machine with Windows and Windows didn't mounted it after that... now I'm trying to do that in Ubuntu
04:57:42	jrincon87	yes, it boots
04:57:50	Llorean	And you left the hold switch on?
04:57:54	jrincon87	now I'm seeing the apple logo
04:57:55	jrincon87	yes
04:58:05	Llorean	After you see the apple logo, it should boot into the apple software.
04:58:13	jrincon87	it doesn't
04:58:20	Llorean	Then you didn't install properly.
04:58:28	Llorean	Was the Apple software working immediately before you ran ipodpatcher?
04:58:40	jrincon87	yes
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04:59:17	Llorean	But you can no longer dual boot?
04:59:30	Llorean	It just stays on the Apple logo?
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05:00:19	jrincon87	yes... you mean dual boot between Rockbox and Apple?
05:00:33	Llorean	yes
05:00:57	jrincon87	with the instructions I followed when I installed Rockbox, I wasn't able to dual boot
05:01:08	jrincon87	it just boots onto the Rockbox software
05:01:39	Llorean	What instructions did you follow?
05:03:34	jrincon87	I downloaded Rockbox for mi ipod mini 2G from the rockbox webpage, moved the folder called .rockbox into the main directory of the ipod, downloaded and ran ipodpatcher.exe with the option to install, and that's it
05:04:18	Llorean	Did you use the ipodpatcher from download.rockbox.org?
05:04:23	Llorean	And why didn't you use the RButil method?
05:04:24	jrincon87	yes
05:05:38	Llorean	What version numbers does your ipodpatcher report? It should tell you when you run it "version X with version Y bootloaders"
05:06:18	jrincon87	I don't know... when I was deciding to install Rockbox I read a Blog and he has the instructions after giving a good experience with it, so I followed his instructions
05:06:41	jrincon87	hm, hold on
05:07:35	Llorean	We really recommend you follow our install instructions. Ipodpatcher is an outdated tool, and while it should work I'm not wholly certain it's the most up to date.
05:07:59	jrincon87	I used the last version for Windows...
05:08:16	Llorean	"Outdated" means "It hasn't been updated in a while"...
05:08:38	Llorean	It should still work to dual boot.
05:08:55	Llorean	But that's a "should" and not a "will certainly"
05:09:36	Llorean	Disk mode can be reached by holding Menu+Select to reboot, and as soon as the screen is blank, holding Select+Play
05:10:13	jrincon87	sure... what do you think I should do? is there a way to reinstall it, to format the ipod, or should I throw it to the trash?
05:10:20	jrincon87	ok, I'm gonna try that now
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05:11:46	jrincon87	weeeee!!!!!! the last thing worked!
05:11:50	jrincon87	I has access now
05:11:54	jrincon87	I have*
05:12:29	jrincon87	now, what do you think I should do to get it to work properly when connected
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05:14:03	lymeca	Anyone know where I can get an MBR image to dd onto my 4th gen 30GB ipod?
05:14:57	Llorean	jrincon87: Well Rockbox doesn't have its own USB mode. It's supposed to automatically reboot into this disk mode, but that behaviour's a little buggy right now. You'll basically either just have to put up with manually doing it, or get dual boot working so that you can plug in a USB cable while it's shut off with hold on to easily get into USB.
05:15:22	Llorean	Please, do not pester me with PMs. If I don't respond to you in-channel it's because I'm busy, and a PM is not going to make me less busy.
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05:15:35	jrincon87	ok, sorry
05:15:58	jrincon87	I'm gonna do some research to get the dual boot working
05:16:01	jrincon87	thanks for everything
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06:01:26	ryran	hey everyone. just updated my svn trunk and compiled fine but now when I try to make zip (or gzip/bzip2/7zip) I get a an error (command not found OR rockbox.tar: Cannot stat: No such file or directory). saw rasher made a bunch of changes to buildzip and I could maybe figure this out, but I was hoping to get a quick fix from someone more guru-esque than I. any takers?
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06:16:39	ryran	figured it out pretty quick by the way. perhaps obvious, but for the record: unrelated to rasher's changes. my bad for setting up build env on a new server and assuming zip / 7zip etc should've been there.
06:17:06	Llorean	That happens a lot.
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06:19:05	ryran	:)
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11:02:07	ddalton	we still all against talking plugins?
11:04:05	ddalton	hello?
11:04:05	linuxstb	I've never heard anyone say they're against talking plugins. We have a Google Summer of Code project to make them happen.
11:05:09	ddalton	linuxstb: thought the voice files were an issue, to large for those archoes, which BTW, I think we should drop, but thats just my opinion. doesn't rbspeexenc help that anyway?
11:05:31	ddalton	I have plugins talking here...
11:05:46	ddalton	but, only a few, because haven't hacked much code until lately
11:06:01	linuxstb	People were probably against your method of implementing them - I'm guessing you've added plugin voice strings to the core voice file?
11:08:00	ddalton	linuxstb: I didn't ipliment it, I don't have those skills :-), but yeah. it just adds prto type functions in plugin.h and plugin.c for the talk stuff, and uses english.lang. I guess the second voice file could be added, that patdch isn't a waste, but I wouldn't think it would be to big for most targets?
11:08:12	ddalton	linuxstb: can you see?
11:08:25	linuxstb	Yes
11:08:42	Llorean	"Not too big" doesn't mean it isn't wasteful if it can be done another way better.
11:09:08	ddalton	linuxstb: would by any chance you be able to test a patch for me? the coding isn't great, indenting is wrong and some other messing crap, but could you make sure it speaks the right time in the stopwatch to what is the screen?
11:09:28	ddalton	I'm blind, so can't tell if the voice speaks what is on the screen, and I don't trust my own code :-)
11:09:53	ddalton	Llorean: whats our current limit?
11:10:45	*	ddalton voice file is 643 K with 3 or 4 extra strings...
11:10:51	Llorean	ddalton: It's not an issue of "limits"
11:10:59	Llorean	It's an issue of "it should be as small as possible"
11:11:19	Llorean	If we can swap it out for plugin voices, we should, rather than saying "sure, we can waste a few bytes here or there"
11:11:32	ddalton	erm, well, i believe we can go past 3 mb on most targets, plenty of room I believe, we could just impliment this method, and when someone gets around to fixing the voice file how you devs want, you could change it.
11:11:55	amiconn	ddalton: We can doesn't mean we should. And there are targets where we can't
11:12:08	amiconn	There is no sane reason to waste memory when we don't have to
11:12:16	Llorean	ddalton: Why is there such a hurry to do it the wrong way? All that means is more work for whoever tries to fix it later.
11:12:28	Llorean	Since they have to clean up and remove the old code too.
11:12:42	Llorean	Why not just do it right the first time if you're going to put time into it?
11:13:12	ddalton	Llorean: Basically, because I don't have the skills
11:13:35	ddalton	as I said, this same code will still be usedd, just extra code will be added most likely
11:13:37	amiconn	That's not a valid reason
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11:14:12	ddalton	what, i don't have the skills? well, if someone would help, sure i would do it, but I dunno....
11:14:29	ddalton	if I upload the first part of this patch, will it be worth it, or should I just wait?
11:14:47	linuxstb	ddalton: I've already said - someone (midgey) is working on this at the moment, as part of the Google summer of code.
11:15:01	amiconn	There is a gsoc prject dealing with this
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11:15:32	ddalton	linuxstb: can I see progress somewhere? and, ill upload my current version if you like,
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11:15:45	linuxstb	ddalton: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9067
11:15:52	ddalton	hey, can anyone who can see test a patch for me when i get back from eating in about 10 mins
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11:25:03	ddalton	ok back, let me check it out
11:25:23	pixelma	ddalton: "nice" that someone who doesn't have an Archos says "we should drop them" (and giving no reason). Also speex doesn't help them because they can only play mp3 (and wav) which means the voice file needs to stay mp3 data...
11:26:42	pixelma	I still like using the Ondio even though I have two software codec targets now
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11:31:19	ddalton	ok
11:31:23	ddalton	so,
11:32:09	ddalton	FS #9067 re this talk plugin stuff, is it using a new voice file or something? how does it work? I don't understand his code much.
11:32:41	ddalton	pixelma: can you see? if so, do you have time to test a patch?
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11:36:27	Nico_P	ddalton: yes you are
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11:43:52	ddalton	can anyone here test a talking patch and just make sure it reads the info on the screen in stopwatch plugin?
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11:47:42	super	: \|
11:48:03	super	wierd that i cant change nick just because im muted on one channel
11:49:28	Llorean	super: This channel is for Rockbox discussion. Please try to keep to questions or development.
11:49:53	super	yes
11:49:55	super	sorry
11:49:56	super	: 9
11:50:14	super	any new luck on the 2g arm crypt?
11:51:44	Llorean	I have no idea what you're talking about, but all new port work should be tracked in the appropriate wiki pages and forum threads.
11:52:20	markun	super: I don't think anyone (at least from rockbox) is working on it
11:53:25	markun	super: better contact these guys: http://home.gna.org/linux4nano/
11:57:19	ddalton	don't worry, it works, fine.
11:57:46	*	ddalton crosses his finger seconds will work when an hour ticks over, then he has a talking stop watch
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12:19:40	ddalton	works!!!
12:32:28	*	pondlife finds it slightly amusing that the http://home.gna.org/linux4nano/ guys intend to "synthesize" information... I guess I could help them with that ;)
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13:28:28	alphasynaptic	so does anyone have any suggestions for getting a Heretic wad working either in the rockdoom plugin or in iDoom. I just cant seem to figure it out.
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13:30:36	alphasynaptic	anyone had any luck getting a Heretic wad working in either iPodLinux or rockbox? anyone at all?
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13:31:03	Nico_P	alphasynaptic: I'm not sure that many people have tried
13:31:11	alphasynaptic	o :-(
13:31:25	alphasynaptic	i liked heretic much better than doom back in the day
13:31:38	Nico_P	doom isn't exactly the primary focus in development
13:31:46	alphasynaptic	i'd imagine
13:32:52	alphasynaptic	i had just read that people had gotten Heretic working but I can't seem to and was wondering if anyone who had was on :-)
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13:37:09	osmodiar	Hey, I'm trying to use the Rockbox Utility, but I have no idea what a TTS engine is and I can't do anything until I specify one, can anyone help?
13:39:22	alphasynaptic	when are you getting that error?
13:41:13	osmodiar	It's the only thing in the configuration that isn't set correctly and every time I click ok on the configuration window it tells me something is wrong and reopens the window
13:42:31	alphasynaptic	configuration window? all you have to do to install rockbox is extract the .rockbox folder into your mp3 player's root
13:42:46	alphasynaptic	there shouldn't be a config window
13:42:55	alphasynaptic	and an installer is a waste of time
13:43:04	alphasynaptic	takes 10 seconds to install manually
13:43:15	osmodiar	I'll try that, then
13:44:28	alphasynaptic	oh im sorry
13:44:36	alphasynaptic	you have to use the bootloader too
13:44:43	alphasynaptic	ill fetch a link h/o
13:45:02	osmodiar	That's the part I didn't particularly want to do, heh
13:45:40	alphasynaptic	dont worry it leaves appleos intact
13:45:48	alphasynaptic	or whichever os for whichever mp3 player
13:45:54	alphasynaptic	and you can always restore
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13:46:10	alphasynaptic	by forcing disk mode and doing a restore in itunes
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13:46:40	osmodiar	Yeah, I don't much care for restoring (I bought the ipod to install rockbox on it to try it out)
13:46:42	amiconn	alphasynaptic: " all you have to do to install rockbox is extract the .rockbox folder into your mp3 player's root" <== Not true, unless you happen to have one of the supported (old) archos devices
13:46:59	amiconn	All others need an extra step when doing the first-time installation
13:48:01	alphasynaptic	i already corrected muself
13:48:06	*	alphasynaptic rolls eyes.
13:48:23	alphasynaptic	*myself
13:49:17	alphasynaptic	http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/win32/ipodpatcher.exe if you are under win32
13:49:43	Nico_P	alphasynaptic: using the manual install is no longer the recommended way
13:49:59	alphasynaptic	orly?
13:50:04	alphasynaptic	i found it easy as hell
13:50:43	Nico_P	well rbutil is even easier... and osmodiar's question isn't even related to installing rockbox
13:50:46	osmodiar	This isn't good... Booted into disk mode and it wants me to format :\|
13:50:50	alphasynaptic	and found multiple people saying the installer method is glitchy
13:51:06	Nico_P	have you tried it?
13:51:27	alphasynaptic	no but manual install took 10 seconds for me flat no hitches
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13:53:28	Nico_P	I'm not saying the manual install is hard, just that we recommend rbutil now, because it's more user-friendly
13:53:49	Nico_P	if you know of glitches, you're welcome to report them ;)
13:53:53	alphasynaptic	i guess
13:54:17	alphasynaptic	@osmodiar check the manual for your model
13:54:27	osmodiar	Nico_P: ok, trying rbutil, but it complains that I've not configured it when I have
13:54:27	alphasynaptic	for the two methods of installation
13:55:02	Nico_P	alphasynaptic: have you tried the device autodetection?
13:55:10	Nico_P	err that was for osmodiar, sorry
13:55:15	alphasynaptic	heh
13:55:21	alphasynaptic	was about to say
13:55:36	osmodiar	that all went through well, detected it
13:58:55	Nico_P	osmodiar: and you can't install?
13:58:55	osmodiar	nope
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13:59:08	osmodiar	nevermind, I fixed it, it seems
13:59:38	osmodiar	"No Ipods found"
13:59:40	Nico_P	still, it's weird. I'll try to mention it to the guys that work on rbutil
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14:01:15	PaulJam	osmodiar: which ipod do you have?
14:02:18	osmodiar	5th gen 30gb
14:03:31	PaulJam	do you run RbUtility as administrator?
14:03:47	osmodiar	just as the usual user
14:04:04	osmodiar	but I think I've broken the Ipod anyway now...
14:04:32	PaulJam	for the bootloader installation it need administrative rights, not sure if this is also true for the device detection.
14:04:52	PaulJam	a working apple firmware is also neccessary
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14:05:52	osmodiar	installing itunes to restore the ipod to how it was
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14:07:24	alphasynaptic	why'd the ipod linux page get suspended?
14:07:51	PaulJam	ask in #ipodlinux
14:08:36	alphasynaptic	o my bad
14:08:40	alphasynaptic	have both channels open
14:08:43	alphasynaptic	heh
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14:17:16	osmodiar	ok, tried rbutil again and it magically started to work
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14:18:45	Nico_P	Bagder: here§
14:18:51	osmodiar	is it right that there are no themes to install via rbutil? I think I heard something about themes needed to be changed?
14:19:09	Nico_P	osmodiar: yeah they're out of date ATM
14:19:45	kugel	Slasheri: ping
14:20:18	Nico_P	Bagder: I've just noticed that there are some svn repos I can check out from work using an http:// URL, but rockbox's fails
14:21:03	kugel	JdGordon: hey. Are you still interested in the pf updates (sorry for the inactivity, I was in spain the past 2 weeks)
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14:21:45	kugel	It'd be nice of everyone who could test http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8335
14:23:20	alphasynaptic	oh i fixed one of the old themes to work with the new viewer system. is there a way to submit the fixed .wps file?
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14:24:14	kugel	alphasynaptic: In the wps gallery for your player
14:24:30	alphasynaptic	alright
14:24:50	kugel	alphasynaptic: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery
14:25:11	Llorean	Make sure the license allows redistribution
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14:25:48	alphasynaptic	good point
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14:28:16	alphasynaptic	yeah i guess i can just have to credit him for the work. i only edited like 10 bytes of text lmao
14:28:55	alphasynaptic	im kinda surprised more themes havent been fixed? when did they all get broken? fairly recently?
14:31:09	Llorean	It's not an issue of credit.
14:31:21	Llorean	Technically if they haven't released their theme under a suitable license, you can't make any changes to it.
14:31:32	Llorean	Which is unfortunate, but the proper solution is to get them to license it properly.
14:31:53	alphasynaptic	its CC3
14:31:58	alphasynaptic	so it is an issue of credit
14:32:06	kugel	alphasynaptic: basically all themes got broken by a single commit some weeks ago. And since rockbox-themes.org is closed for submussion, updates themes can not reach the user as easily as before
14:32:10	alphasynaptic	i have to attribute to work to the origincal author
14:32:21	alphasynaptic	damn typos
14:32:29	alphasynaptic	original the
14:32:51	alphasynaptic	ah
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14:50:25	alphasynaptic	well i can't get uploader at the cleansoap mirror to take my package
14:50:36	alphasynaptic	anyone interested in the fixed Bloodstained theme?
14:51:10	DerPapst	put it on the wiki? (dunno if that's wanted though :-P)
14:51:24	pondlife	alphasynaptic: Which device?
14:51:34	DerPapst	ipod video i guess
14:51:36	alphasynaptic	5th gen vid
14:51:42	DerPapst	ah :D
14:52:22	pondlife	alphasynaptic: Pop it on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g ?
14:54:04	alphasynaptic	checking that out
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15:03:10	alphasynaptic	access denied
15:03:16	alphasynaptic	made an account already
15:03:22	alphasynaptic	tried editing the wiki page
15:03:26	alphasynaptic	nada
15:04:18	alphasynaptic	btw i'll fix a few themes to work with the new Rockbox for anyone who can help me get Heretic working on my iPod
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15:17:18	sacarasc	hmmm, installed rockbox, worked well for a bit, now my ipod won't turn on
15:17:36	alphasynaptic	u try a soft reset?
15:17:38	linuxstb	Hold MENU+SELECT together for a few seconds (maybe up to 20-30)
15:17:49	alphasynaptic	exactly
15:18:04	sacarasc	that got it, thanks
15:18:46	sacarasc	by the way, this is osmodiar on a different computer (but still as clueless)
15:20:20	LambdaCalculus37	alphasynaptic: By the way, no internet slang on this channel, and no text-speak.
15:20:32	alphasynaptic	oh my bad
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15:25:50	petur	JdGordon: you here?
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15:26:23	sacarasc	Nico_P, alphasynaptic, linuxstb, and anyone I forgot, thanks for helping me today :)
15:26:33	sacarasc	and sorry for the smilie
15:27:02	GodEater_	smilies are allowed
15:27:15	GodEater_	just silly "text speak" abbreviations are what we object to
15:27:37	alphasynaptic	but do da street talk be acceptable yo?
15:27:44	alphasynaptic	had to sorry
15:27:50	LambdaCalculus37	Yes, so no "y0 g1mm3 d4 r0mZ" crap here. ;)
15:28:23	alphasynaptic	roms for me?
15:28:54	alphasynaptic	anyone looking for roms in an irc channel needs to learn to use google
15:30:17	LambdaCalculus37	Actually, anyone looking for ROMs shouldn't come here asking us.
15:30:46	alphasynaptic	i know. as i pointed out google will be happy to point you in the right direction.
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15:31:47	alphasynaptic	roms are not illegal if it is no longer viable to buy a console or the media. they are also legal if you own the actual media
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15:39:12	GodEater_	"roms are not illegal if it is no longer viable to buy a console or the media." <−− this is not true at all
15:39:25	GodEater_	they are only legal if you own the originals
15:39:32	LambdaCalculus37	Exactly.
15:39:43	LambdaCalculus37	You are allowed to make a backup of media that you own.
15:40:07	PaulJam	not in every country
15:40:18	LambdaCalculus37	I own physical copies of each Game Boy game I have dumped to my DAPs.
15:40:30	LambdaCalculus37	I made the dumps myself.
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16:01:33	JdGordon	petur: hey, wassup?
16:02:19	petur	was going to ask if you already had an FS task for the recscreen, but went ahead and created 9208
16:02:27	petur	for my work in progress...
16:02:38	JdGordon	i didnt, and cool
16:02:58	petur	it is quite functional but the code is still a bit of a mess
16:03:15	petur	and some features like trigger need testing
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16:03:55	JdGordon	I dont use the rec screen but ill have a look at the patch when I get a chance (unless it oes in before hand)
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16:05:49	petur	might have an updated patch in a few hours ;)
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16:09:45	alpha367	fixing themes for people if anyone wants me to one for me
16:09:50	alpha367	*do one
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16:11:18	sacarasc	how does one add all the music on an ipod to the current playlist and then shuffle play it?
16:11:52	GodEater	sacarasc: have you read the friendly manual ?
16:12:09	sacarasc	i'm reading it, but i get distracte oooh shiny
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16:14:35	sacarasc	the Database menu seems to be different than what is described in the manual
16:16:35	LambdaCalculus37	How so?
16:16:47	LambdaCalculus37	If there are errors in the manual, they'll be taken care of.
16:18:09	sacarasc	when I go to the Database menu, I get things like "Album" "Artist", but in the manual http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-480004.2.3 it's totally different (or I'm looking in the wrong place, which is probably the case)
16:19:27	alpha367	album and artist are what it shows for me
16:19:44	PaulJam	this is the actual database. the database menu which is described in the manual can be found in the settings (or in the context menu of the database entry of the main menu)
16:19:45	LambdaCalculus37	You're looking in the wrong place. What you're reading is the database context menu.
16:20:02	sacarasc	ah, thanks
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16:28:45	PaulJam	btw. the h300 online manual seems to have a wrong screenshot. the vkeyboard screenschot in chapter 4.1.3 has a 320x240 resolution.
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16:34:01	PaulJam	the image in the sources (/manual/rockbox_interface/images/ss-virtual-keyboard-220x176x16.png) is also too big.
16:34:29	GodEater	which is probably why the resolution is wrong in the manual
16:34:58	PaulJam	well, it could have been a cache issue or something like that
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16:36:08	GodEater	not for building the manual I don't think
16:36:16	GodEater	there is no cache issue when checking out over svn
16:36:36	PaulJam	i mean on my side (browser cache)
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18:10:48	DerPapst	o/
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18:12:01	Casainho	hello Rockbox people :-)
18:12:18	Casainho	I would like to know if USB stack is working, and in what models?
18:13:57	domonoky	usb stack works, but still has some problems, so its not enabled by default..
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18:14:40	Casainho	usb_serial.c −− whats the purpose? what would this code do?
18:14:56	domonoky	i dont know on which targets it works, at least ipods, sansa perhaps gigabeat s ?
18:14:56	Casainho	RS232 over USB?
18:15:05	domonoky	yes, serial over USB.
18:15:40	Casainho	and "usb_storage.c", mass storage device?
18:16:13	domonoky	yes, i think thats the code for the ums (universal mass storage) mode
18:16:43	linuxstb	Casainho: Not all devices need a software USB stack though - many have a hardware USB<->ATA bridge chip, which Rockbox supports.
18:17:24	DerPapst	domonoky: the usb stack works pretty good on the beast.
18:17:26	Casainho	nice :-) −− but I would like to know if that USB stack code needs drivers... let's say I would like if It works on a specific MCU...
18:17:48	DerPapst	domonoky: and it's enabled there by default too :)
18:17:55	Casainho	DerPapst: where is the drivers for USB to beast?
18:17:56	linuxstb	Yes, the USB stack is specific to one particular USB chip (the iMX31, but the same USB is used in the PortalPlayer PP502x chips)
18:18:02	domonoky	Casainho: sure it needs a driver for the specific usb chip in the player..
18:18:36	Casainho	domonoky: where can I find that driver on source code? - I am looking but I can't find...
18:18:44	DerPapst	Casainho: it's more or less the same for iPods and the supported sansas
18:19:35	linuxstb	Casainho: firmware/target/arm/usb-drv-arc.c
18:20:12	Casainho	okok - thanks - I will look at it, I am curious since last time I didn't seen USB stack :-)
18:20:34	bertrik	Can all HD based player still spin up the disk (to save some data) when rockbox shuts down due to low voltage?
18:22:21	kugel	bertrik: I can't compile a sim when I apply the simplify battery bench patch
18:22:59	bertrik	kugel: I think the problem is ata_disk_is_active, right?
18:23:10	domonoky	bertrik: i think there could be situations, where it cant spinup the disk before shutdown (very low battery) ..
18:23:39	kugel	bertrik: No, "unregistred_ata_idle_func" isn't declared (IIRC)
18:23:49	bertrik	domonoky, but isn't the playlist control list also saved on shutdown?
18:24:24	kugel	bertrik: there's a #define of this function for the sim, but it doesn't work somehow
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18:24:39	bertrik	hmm, make gzip stopped working for me on ubuntu 8.04
18:24:54	domonoky	bertrik: yes, but it doesnt really hurt if it cant save it..
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18:27:00	bertrik	domonoky, I'm working on a simplified battery bench and someone suggested to have a special case in case battery < 10% but I don't like special cases like that and rather rely on choosing the shutdown voltage such that it is still possible to save the bench data if the battery gets low
18:27:41	bertrik	I don't like to add a lot of special cases, the old battery bench was a spiderweb of special cases and exceptions and I'd like to make a clean break with that
18:28:21	bertrik	kugel, I'll update the patch to make it work in a sim build
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18:30:41	Nico_P	Bagder: (for the logs) when trying to checkout rockbox's svn through HTTP, I get "svn: Server sent unexpected return value (405 Method Not Allowed) in response to PROPFIND request for '/rockbox/trunk' "
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18:30:53	domonoky	the problem with the shutdown voltage is that it is not exact, it depends on the battery, the age of the battery and on the current power consumtion.. and if you set the shutdown threshold too high, you loose too much runtime.
18:31:02	kugel	bertrik: thanks
18:31:04	Nico_P	I have managed to checkout some other svn repos that way
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18:59:57	amiconn	bertrik: Seems like rasher's builzip.pl speed improvements broke 'make gzip' and 'make bzip2'
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19:00:16	amiconn	'make 7zip' (and of course 'make zip' and 'make fullzip') work
19:00:39	rasher	Oh dear. Didn't consider those.
19:00:43	bertrik	amiconn, ok, I'll use those in the meantime
19:00:51	*	amiconn should switch to 'make 7zip'
19:00:57	rasher	I'll have a look later tonight
19:01:16	amiconn	Saves quite a lot on archive size, and I do use (gui) 7zip for unzipping anyway
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19:01:49	amiconn	rasher: Hint: Both calls work somewhat
19:01:50	rasher	Ditching (pk)zip would make utf8 language-names possible
19:02:02	rasher	amiconn: I assume it's a matter of removing -r?
19:02:32	amiconn	They do create a rockbox.tar.gz resp. rockbox.tar.bz2, which however contain the rockbox binary only
19:02:38	rasher	Eh, there's no -r.. erm.
19:02:39	*	bertrik suddenly spot a file called '-r'
19:02:41	amiconn	There is also a file named '-r'
19:02:46	amiconn	..created
19:03:01	rasher	Oh right, there is. I don't think that's even needed for zip or 7zip
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20:28:36	kugel	bertrik: How's ata_disk_is_active supposed to be replaced? Let's say I have a plugin which uses this?
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20:29:55	bertrik	kugel, a plugin registers a callback to be notified when the disk is spinning but idle instead of polling for it
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20:34:39	kugel	bertrik: You patch doesn't fix the battery bench problems on e200, does it (maybe as a side-effect)?
20:35:08	bertrik	kugel, what problems?
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20:35:22	kugel	bertrik: The problems reported in the related tast
20:35:24	kugel	task*
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20:36:23	kugel	bertrik: Well, it didn't even start measuring when I tried it yesterday
20:36:32	bertrik	I tested it with a c200 and e200 and it worked fine for me
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20:37:14	kugel	bertrik: Ok, cool
20:37:23	bertrik	I'll try the very latest version on my e200 again
20:37:51	kugel	bertrik: Will do. The comment of pixelma in the related task describes the problem
20:38:51	kugel	bertrik: I didn't try a full bench with your patch yet. The problem is with the svn version
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22:23:35	fml	Nico_P: ping
22:23:49	Nico_P	fml: pong
22:24:26	Nico_P	fml: last time I looked at your patch I was pondering whether it was a good idea or not ;)
22:24:54	fml	Nico_P: I'm re-reading the code in wps_parser.c and have a question. Is the failure code 'PARSE_FAIL_COND_INVALID_PARAM' thought only for conditionals? Or does 'cond' mean 'failure condition'?
22:25:13	Nico_P	it means conditional
22:25:58	fml	Nico_P: but it was used (at least once) not in conditional. And I used it all the way to signal an invalid parameter value.
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22:26:20	Nico_P	hmm that's not what it was meant for, but I guess it was extended
22:27:39	fml	Nico_P: and I've gone further that way (in the patch) :-) I used it instead of WPS_ERROR (why wasn't it included in the enum?)
22:29:29	Nico_P	you mean WPS_ERROR_INVALID_PARAM?
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22:30:46	fml	Nico_P: yes
22:31:31	Nico_P	well, currently wps_parse and the special parse functions don't return the same thing
22:31:50	Nico_P	that's why I'm still not convinced your patch is the way to go
22:32:36	fml	Nico_P: I unified that (I hope)
22:37:34	fml	Nico_P: btw when I implemented the other patch I was pleasantly surprised by how smart the conditional handling is! I.e. how it works depending on the numeric value returned.
22:39:17	Nico_P	hehe, thanks :)
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22:40:43	fml	Nico_P: the comment for 'evaluate_conditional' (in gwps-common.c) isn't quite correct
22:41:32	Nico_P	because it returns a bool and not an int?
22:42:17	fml	IIUC the func sets the value pointed to by the param to what is described in the comment. But it returns a bool.
22:44:16	Nico_P	yes, it was changed in http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/gui/gwps-common.c?view=diff&r1=15656&r2=15657 ... I forgot to update the comment
22:44:41	Nico_P	the param can still be considered a return value though :p
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22:48:16	Nico_P	fml: by "the other patch", did you mean wps_parser2.patch or another one?
22:48:59	fml	Nico_P: no, I mean the patch for the skip length, don't remember the FS number
22:49:18	Nico_P	ah, to add a WPS tag?
22:50:12	fml	yes. That also corrects reading at 0x0 and evaluates tags as 0-based (as it should be), not 1-based
22:51:38	Nico_P	FS #8965, right?
22:52:22	Nico_P	intval is 1-based on purpose
22:53:19	Nico_P	I can't exactly remember a compelling reason for that, but I remember it was a conscious decision
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22:54:28	fml	Nico_P: the numeric value is still 1-based. But the string produced was also 1-based whie it should be 0-based (according to e.g. CustomWPS)
22:54:36	Nico_P	ah, right
22:54:54	Nico_P	clearly I didn't look at the patch long enough :)
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23:01:14	fml	Nico_P: I can't see a reason to have it 1-based. But if it's the convention now it's also OK.
23:02:35	Nico_P	it's more adapted to how the conds are done in the token array... 0 is for other cases
23:05:14	fml	Nico_P: the main thing is that we have a 'specification' and all tags stick to it.
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23:09:42	webguest24	Is anyone here I need some support =3
23:09:55	webguest24	Is anyone here I need some support =3
23:10:11	linuxstb	Just ask...
23:10:28	webguest24	The ipod patcher thing while installing Rockbox is stuck at the second step
23:10:35	webguest24	Is it supposed to take like 10 minutes because that's how long it's been stuck there
23:10:37	webguest24	x_x
23:10:50	webguest24	It says moving images to create new room for firmware
23:10:55	webguest24	And it's been there for quite a while
23:11:03	webguest24	I'm trying to install Rockbox on my 80GB iPod
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23:13:35	*	bluebrother wonders why there is still so much people using ipodpatcher instead of rbutil :/
23:13:54	*	linuxstb tries not to be offended ;)
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23:17:56	*	petur wonders how to accept rec trigger settings in the sim
23:19:03	*	petur finds nr 5
23:23:57	*	petur thinks the rec trigger gui code is awfull and tries to understand what it wants to do
23:28:32	fml	petur: it wants to be simplified I guess
23:29:00	petur	it needs a rtewrite for my viewport changes anyway
23:29:07	petur	*rewrite
23:30:01	petur	trying to figure out what trig_width[] is for
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23:33:40	petur	that code could have used some comment :/
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23:37:52	fml	petur: just looked at the code briefly. Not the easiest code to understand!
23:38:15	petur	that UGLY! comment above it is mine iirc ;)
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23:39:26	fml	He-he. Triple yield!
23:39:29	*	petur builds an svn version to test on target
23:41:17	petur	remind me to kick LinusN when he's around, that bootloader I have now hangs at usb connect :/
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23:43:54	*	kugel could hopefully optimize custom list vp patch a bit
23:44:31	Nico_P	Bagder: here?
23:44:51	*	bluebrother likes the new look of his wiki page :)
23:45:01	Bagder	Nico_P: yes
23:45:16	Nico_P	Bagder: seen my messages from earlier about svn over HTTP?
23:45:25	Bagder	no...
23:46:26	Nico_P	when trying to checkout rockbox's svn through HTTP, I get "svn: Server sent unexpected return value (405 Method Not Allowed) in response to PROPFIND request for '/rockbox/trunk' "
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23:46:51	Nico_P	I have managed to checkout some other svn repos with HTTP, so it's not (only) work's proxy
23:47:19	amiconn	Does SVN hook into apache, or does it have it sown http server?
23:47:24	Bagder	I don't think we have the necessary setup done for svn over http
23:47:35	Bagder	amiconn: it's a module for apache
23:47:36	amiconn	s/it sown/its own/
23:47:43	Nico_P	amiconn: it can hook into apache, but there's svnserve as an alternative
23:48:01	Bagder	svnserve is for the svn:// protocol
23:48:19	Nico_P	can the apache module do the svn:// protocol too?
23:48:31	Bagder	no I don't think so
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23:48:42	Bagder	but both can run fine together
23:48:49	Nico_P	Bagder: so we're using svnserve only?
23:48:53	Bagder	yes
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23:49:35	Nico_P	oh, that would explain it then :) I was mistaken by the alleged availability of http://svn.rockbox.org (on the wiki IIRC)
23:49:54	bluebrother	what's the reason for svn over http?
23:49:57	Bagder	right, but that only has the viewvc for browsing atm
23:50:06	Bagder	bluebrother: proxy support basically
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23:50:20	DerPapst	Bagder: could you please commit http://pastebin.ca/1078843? It contains changes to the irc reader to get rid of some bugs and issues.
23:50:56	Nico_P	Bagder: yeah, and UsingSVN doesn't mention http://... I don't know where I got this idea
23:51:14	Nico_P	would adding http access be a possibility though?
23:51:21	Bagder	it would indeed
23:51:45	Bagder	DerPapst: I prefer to leave those things to zagor
23:52:27	DerPapst	Bagder: mkay. thanks anyway.
23:52:43	DerPapst	do you know when he's around again?
23:52:54	Bagder	nope
23:53:10	DerPapst	k..
23:53:17	petur	holidays in Sweden?
23:53:18	Nico_P	Bagder: it would be great, I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one to be thankful :)
23:54:03	Bagder	petur: yes, all three of us Swedes are on holiday atm
23:54:20	petur	I figured...
23:54:36	Bagder	Nico_P: yes, I have it planned but during my vacations I've been held back to only do my "essentials" so I haven't gotten to the http for svn part yet
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