00:00:09 | petur | hmmm when I change all the SYSFONT_ lang strings to normal ones for the rec screen, should I depricate the SYSFONT ones and leave them in, adding the new ones? |
00:00:31 | petur | or just rename them everywhere |
00:00:49 | amiconn | I guess renaming would be ok here, as there are no non-sysfont alternatives |
00:01:20 | petur | but I ĺl have to rename them in all lang files or genlang won't like it, right? |
00:02:02 | amiconn | You don't have to, but it would be better |
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00:02:27 | amiconn | Otherwise all other languages would lose their translations for these strings, and fall back to english |
00:02:45 | petur | ... wthat I thought... not good |
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00:03:15 | amiconn | Otoh this would signal those translators of non-latin languages that they should redo the thing properly |
00:03:23 | * | petur blames bad typing on the beer, even if it wasn't much and not very strong |
00:04:01 | petur | true |
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00:25:29 | Casainho | hello Rockbox people!! |
00:25:50 | Casainho | I am looking for information about USB stack on wiki pages... can someone point me to there? |
00:25:51 | DerPapst | hello Casainho!! |
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00:27:14 | linuxstb | Casainho: The wiki has a search feature - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebSearch?search=usb&scope=topic |
00:28:41 | Casainho | oh, thanks, I did found the page I was looking with your help :-) |
00:28:48 | Casainho | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsbSoftwareStack |
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00:32:14 | Casainho | bye bye :-) |
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00:33:06 | * | scorche|sh wonders if he read the notice at the top of that page |
00:33:32 | * | DerPapst makes a guess.. |
00:33:36 | DerPapst | no. :-P |
00:34:02 | DerPapst | it less bold and read |
00:34:51 | DerPapst | meh... i can't type n stuff |
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00:42:07 | kugel | linuxstb: Hey, I think I could optimize my custom list vp code, so that it only parses the config once, instead of 4 times at every redraw |
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00:51:41 | linuxstb | kugel: Then do it ;) |
00:52:11 | kugel | linuxstb: Already did, but I'm fighting new problem now |
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00:56:54 | kugel | solved! |
00:57:18 | DerPapst | wheeee! |
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00:59:17 | DerPapst | might all :-) |
00:59:24 | DerPapst | *night even :-P |
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01:06:13 | kugel | linuxstb: Is it ok to set a variable to true upon config/settings load in order to have the custom list vp reinitialized? |
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01:07:13 | kugel | linuxstb: if that's not ok, I think I need to go back to reparse at every list redraw :S |
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01:08:34 | soap | Am I correct in saying only the 1st and 2nd generation iPods lack a dock connector? |
01:09:24 | linuxstb | kugel: Don't just ask me... I would need to see the code, but it sounds reasonable enough to me. |
01:10:19 | kugel | linuxstb: I think I'll just put it this way on the tracker soon. People will hopefully comment on that |
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01:11:53 | linuxstb | soap: That's what wikipedia says... Seems the earlier ipods just had a real firewire port. |
01:14:01 | soap | thank you. Embarrassed to admit I didn't even think of looking at wikipedia for such an obvious answer. |
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05:46:16 | num1 | I was just looking through the code for the sansa e200 series, and I noticed rockbox acts like the PP5024 processor is a PP5020 processor. However the 5024 supports quite a few things that I know through experience rockbox supports, but the PP5020 doesn't. How can this be? (As example of something the PP5020 doesn't support is more than 256M of flash memory, where my Sansa e280 has 8G) |
05:49:07 | num1 | is anyone here that worked on the e200 port? |
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06:05:29 | saratoga | num1: i saw your question in the logs |
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06:06:01 | saratoga | we don't actually assume the PP5024 is exactly the same as the PP5020, however they're similar enough that for most things the differences can be ignored |
06:06:56 | saratoga | for things like flash memory and hard disks, targets use their own drivers if needed |
06:08:40 | num1 | thanks for the clarification |
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06:26:06 | num1 | firmware/export/tuner.h:89 should say /* Sansa e200 or c200 Series */ |
06:28:04 | num1 | it's not really worth making a patch for |
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07:23:59 | num1 | I'm trying to understand the build process of rockbox, how is the target initially passed to build? For example, the very first file imported by main.c is config.h, which imports other config files based on defines "#if defined(ARCHOS_PLAYER) |
07:23:59 | num1 | #include "config-player.h"" but where is ARCHOS_PLAYER or any other variable defined? |
07:25:00 | num1 | Sorry, I don't quite know the terminology for a variable defined for the pre-compiler |
07:27:32 | safetydan | num1: there's a config file generated by the configure tool |
07:28:36 | MU{lappy} | it seems to be in the generated makefile in my build directory |
07:28:44 | num1 | safetydan: do you mean the makefile? |
07:28:53 | MU{lappy} | export TARGET=-DGIGABEAT_S |
07:29:30 | num1 | yes but look at the targets |
07:29:32 | num1 | build: tools langs |
07:29:32 | num1 | $(SILENT)$(MAKE) -C $(FIRMDIR) OBJDIR=$(BUILDDIR)/firmware |
07:29:32 | num1 | $(SILENT)$(MAKE) -C $(APPSDIR) OBJDIR=$(BUILDDIR)/apps |
07:30:07 | kushal_12_27_200 | how do I know when a new version of rockbox is available for my sansa c250? If I want to update using rbutilqt, how can I do it? |
07:30:21 | num1 | the only references to TARGET are in the fontzip, zip, fullzip, 7zip and tar targets |
07:30:47 | num1 | kushal_12_27_200: rockbox doesn't really use versions |
07:31:13 | num1 | kushal_12_27_200: there's a daily build at http://build.rockbox.org/ |
07:32:02 | kushal_12_27_200 | thanks. |
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07:39:42 | num1 | I'm seriously confused about this makefile thing |
07:40:07 | num1 | the makefile exports TARGET but where is it referenced? |
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07:48:23 | safetydan | num1: have you looked at the makefiles in firmware and apps? |
07:49:09 | safetydan | those makefile lines you quoted are just the master makefile calling sub-makefiles |
07:51:25 | num1 | this is going to sound retarded, but I don't see any makefiles in the firmware of apps directory |
07:51:42 | num1 | nevermind, I found them |
07:52:41 | num1 | okay, thanks, I was only looking at the build directory the whole time |
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08:44:49 | linuxstb | soap: Awake? |
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10:33:29 | Imaginal | I am having a problem with unprotected m4a files refusing to play, and freezing the box from playing anything on a 4g ipod. Does anyone have any ideas? |
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10:37:32 | BigBambi | Imaginal: What version of Rockbox? |
10:38:15 | Imaginal | yesterday's build? |
10:38:29 | BigBambi | There are many builds per day |
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10:38:59 | BigBambi | You can find out from info in the system menu (I think from memory) |
10:39:14 | num1 | Imaginal: start rockbox, from the main menu choose system->version |
10:39:29 | num1 | what's the number at the bottom of the screen? |
10:39:29 | Imaginal | r18085-080717 |
10:47:11 | Imaginal | updated to current build... r18113-080721 |
10:47:20 | num1 | does it work now? |
10:47:31 | Imaginal | able to replicate the problem. |
10:48:00 | num1 | does the player play any other files without crashing? |
10:48:54 | Imaginal | after a hard reset, it will play mp3, wma, and flac, but as soon as I try to play any m4a, the device requires a reset |
10:49:19 | Llorean | How were the M4A created? |
10:50:32 | Imaginal | my particular m4a says iTunes v6.0.2.23, QuickTime 7.0.4 |
10:51:09 | Llorean | When you attempt to play it, what happens? Does it go to the playback screen, but stay at 0:00? |
10:52:58 | Imaginal | at the wps, the file name is displayed, but no tag information, question marks for bitrate and file type, 0:00/0:00 and will stay there with a play icon |
10:53:07 | Llorean | Okay |
10:53:18 | Llorean | I'm pretty sure this means the M4A isn't streamable |
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10:53:31 | Llorean | Either that, or it has tags that are interfering (sometimes large album art) |
10:53:32 | num1 | can you open the file on your computer? Double check that the codec matches with mp4 wrapper |
10:53:47 | brianqueefcookie | hey can anyone here help me with a quickkk question plzzz |
10:53:55 | num1 | brianqueefcookie: just ask |
10:54:11 | Llorean | Foobar2000 has a feature, "Optimize MP4 layout" that can fix it if it was the first problem I suggested. |
10:54:18 | Llorean | If you're not able to use that, I'm not sure what other programs may do this |
10:54:20 | Imaginal | num1: I can open the file, yes |
10:54:34 | brianqueefcookie | im new to this, but im tryin to get rockbox on my ipod....but when i downloaded and ran the bootloader thing..it says the ipod can not be found |
10:54:47 | brianqueefcookie | but my ipod is connected to my comp |
10:55:15 | advcomp2019 | brianqueefcookie, what ipod |
10:55:35 | brianqueefcookie | 80g |
10:56:17 | advcomp2019 | 5.5 gen or 6th gen? |
10:56:20 | linuxstb | brianqueefcookie: Is it an "ipod Classic" |
10:56:31 | brianqueefcookie | yeah |
10:56:48 | Imaginal | num1: mp4 wrapper? what is this? |
10:56:53 | linuxstb | brianqueefcookie: Then see the front page of the Rockbox website - http://www.rockbox.org |
10:58:45 | brianqueefcookie | oh |
10:58:47 | brianqueefcookie | haha |
10:58:49 | brianqueefcookie | i see it now |
10:58:54 | brianqueefcookie | thx |
10:59:12 | Imaginal | Llorean: I am using linux, and would rather stay away from foobar if I can |
10:59:13 | num1 | Imaginal: well, I probably said that one wrong, but if you didn't understand me then it's probably not your problem. I once spent 2 months trying to figure out why my mp3s didn't play to find they were encoded as mp2s. I though you might have some unsupported format with an mp4 extension |
10:59:31 | Llorean | Imaginal: You'll need to find your own tool then, if that's the problem. |
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11:00:37 | num1 | Imaginal: you could use vlc to convert to mp3, I don't know if it fixes mp4s |
11:00:56 | GodEater | there's a tool under linux to optimise .m4as too |
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11:01:59 | GodEater | mp4creator will do it |
11:02:45 | Llorean | Although very long MP4s will also have this problem optimized or not. |
11:02:50 | Imaginal | GodEater: looking into it. I'll update after I know more |
11:03:05 | Imaginal | Llorean: They are typical song-length |
11:03:32 | Llorean | Then it's most likely a metada concern, I think |
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11:07:09 | GodEater | Imaginal: if you're on ubuntu or debian of some flavour, the package is called mpeg4ip-server |
11:08:50 | Imaginal | GodEater: I am, and the package is helping in the detective work :) |
11:10:15 | GodEater | Imaginal: I think it's something as simple as "mp4creator -optimize <your .m4a file>" |
11:11:08 | Imaginal | Looks right, there is artwork saved to them, so I'm wondering if that matters. Optimizing now |
11:12:17 | GodEater | well try the optimize first, if that doesn't help, then remove the artwork |
11:13:33 | * | amiconn hates codecs which crash on problematic files |
11:13:50 | Imaginal | Good news and bad news... |
11:14:13 | Llorean | amiconn: It's the MP4 parser, not the codec itself (just to be precise), it encounters the same issues with ALAC. |
11:14:35 | amiconn | Ok, but that wasn't really the point |
11:14:41 | Imaginal | Optimizing worked... but now I have to fix a bunch of m4a... :P |
11:14:51 | amiconn | Rockbox shouldn't crash regardless what file you throw at it |
11:14:57 | Llorean | amiconn: Agreed. |
11:15:19 | GodEater | Imaginal : for i in "*.m4a";do mp4creator -optimize "$i";done |
11:15:25 | amiconn | It should refuse to play the file if it cannot be played properly |
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11:16:08 | amiconn | Making some nasty noises would also be bearable, as long as stop and skip keep working |
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11:16:31 | * | amiconn remembers some funny noises from trying to play mp1 on the MAS |
11:20:38 | Imaginal | GodEater: I always have problems decipering these strings... error |
11:21:16 | GodEater | "error" on it's own isn't a lot of help... |
11:22:05 | Imaginal | GodEater: Sorry, that was stupid.MP4ERROR: MP4Open: failed: No such file or directory |
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11:23:22 | GodEater | perhaps try this instead then |
11:23:34 | GodEater | you're still using your ipod music directory structure under ipod_control I assume ? |
11:24:09 | Imaginal | GodEater: no |
11:24:31 | GodEater | ok - never mind that then, you have your ipod mounted on your PC ? |
11:24:41 | Imaginal | yes |
11:24:47 | GodEater | /media/<your ipod name> somewhere ? |
11:24:56 | Imaginal | you bet |
11:25:06 | GodEater | ok so in a terminal, cd into that directory |
11:25:30 | GodEater | and then run : find . -name "*.m4a" -exec mp4creator -optimize \{\} \; |
11:28:05 | Imaginal | : find . -name "*.m4a" -exec mp4creator -optimize \{\} \; |
11:28:24 | GodEater | you didn't type the ":" too did you ? |
11:28:36 | Imaginal | no, i didn't, sorry |
11:28:39 | Imaginal | find: missing argument to `-exec' |
11:29:35 | BigBambi | Perhaps this ought to go to -community? It seems to be getting more into shell stuff than strictly RB |
11:29:50 | GodEater | there's not much else RB going on |
11:29:55 | Imaginal | BigBambi: I'm sorry, you are correct |
11:30:00 | GodEater | and it might help other people who bother to search the logs (hahahaha) in future |
11:30:02 | BigBambi | I'm thinking of those that read the logs |
11:30:28 | GodEater | Imaginal: you just copied and pasted my command into your terminal ? |
11:30:36 | BigBambi | Trouble is, those who need this probably won't read the logs, and those that don't but do read the logs will probably get irritated by it :) |
11:30:43 | Imaginal | GodEater: yes |
11:30:50 | GodEater | curious, it works here |
11:30:54 | GodEater | what shell are you using ? |
11:31:01 | Imaginal | bash |
11:31:21 | GodEater | I'm baffled then |
11:31:48 | GodEater | can you copy the entire text from your terminal window, and paste it into a pastebin.ca post please ? |
11:34:18 | Imaginal | Nothing awesome... http://pastebin.ca/1079323 |
11:35:37 | GodEater | you cleared the terminal window first ? |
11:35:42 | GodEater | that's not terribly useful |
11:35:53 | Imaginal | there are no windows |
11:36:00 | Imaginal | err... errros |
11:36:27 | GodEater | so where did the "missing argument to '-exec'" go then ? |
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11:39:34 | Imaginal | Got it, typo caused that. Now I enter the line, then nothing |
11:40:09 | amiconn | uit bbl |
11:40:12 | GodEater | that means it's working |
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11:40:22 | GodEater | leave it alone |
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11:40:58 | Imaginal | I understand. Thank you for your patience. |
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11:41:32 | GodEater | you'll get the prompt back when it's finished |
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11:45:43 | Imaginal | Things worked perfect, thanks again for the help! |
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11:48:54 | Imaginal | I also through -verbose into the string while it scans the rest of my drives. It spits out too much to be useful, but I like to see when something is working ^_^ |
11:49:11 | Imaginal | *threw |
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12:10:40 | soap | linuxstb, I am awake now |
12:11:10 | linuxstb | soap: I noticed your "ipod accessories" build - are you sure it works on the 3G? I would have thought the serial driver was just for pp502x (i.e. 4th gen and later) |
12:12:17 | soap | I have no idea - no 3G to play with. I simply built for all with the Dock Connector. ;) |
12:12:25 | linuxstb | Also, even though the 1st/2nd gen don't have a dock connector, they might have a serial port via the "remote control connector" which (on my ipod Color at least) is next to the headphone socket. But I don't know when that was introduced (I know it was removed with the Nano/Video). |
12:16:33 | soap | I can add those this evening. |
12:26:21 | linuxstb | soap: Have you modified the patch at all? |
12:26:57 | soap | not at all, why do you ask? |
12:26:58 | linuxstb | Looking at the latest version on flyspray, it only seems to be enabled for the Nano and Video. |
12:27:12 | soap | crap - forgot about that. |
12:27:13 | linuxstb | And the code is only for pp502x ipods - so 4th gen and above. |
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12:28:05 | soap | forgot to enable the others, thanks. I should have done this when more awake. I had been meaning to do this, and instead of waiting until I had the time I rushed it out the door. |
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12:29:02 | linuxstb | It also seems to have some target-specific code, so I would doubt it will work as-is on all ipods. |
12:31:44 | linuxstb | The code only seems to have cases for the 4G greyscale, Nano and Video.. |
12:34:28 | soap | I need to leave for work, modified the forum thread and website to address this as much as I can this morning. Will look into adding 4G color and Mini 2G as well this evening. |
12:34:45 | soap | Thank you for pointing that out. Completely forgot about that aspect. |
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13:51:11 | wpyh | hi |
13:51:32 | * | wpyh notices that he always starts conversations with "hi" |
13:52:29 | wpyh | which one is the correct prefix for mips tools: mipsel-linux or mipsel-elf? |
13:52:48 | wpyh | tools/configure seems to prefer mipsel-linux and tools/rockboxdev.sh seems to prefer mipsel-elf |
13:52:59 | wpyh | which results in an error when trying to build the Onda target |
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13:58:07 | * | wpyh wonders whether everyone's busy at -community |
13:59:01 | Llorean | Or maybe, because the Onda is a very limited target worked on by very few, simply nobody knows. |
13:59:08 | Llorean | You'd probably be best off asking in the thread for it in the forums. |
13:59:17 | wpyh | hm... |
13:59:32 | wpyh | I googled for it and it seems that the correct one is mipsel-elf |
13:59:33 | linuxstb | wpyh: I would look at "svn blame tools/configure" and see who added the line to use mipsel-linux, and ask them. |
13:59:57 | wpyh | Llorean: I'm a bit impatient so... :p but I'll try the forums next time |
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14:00:11 | * | wpyh will try svn blame as linuxstb says |
14:00:47 | linuxstb | wpyh: Also look at the commit message for the svn revision that added that line - that may explain why |
14:00:50 | wpyh | mcuelenaere |
14:01:10 | Nico_P | linuxstb: there's an interesting (IMO) question in the forums about the theme site... are you planning on having download counters? |
14:01:20 | linuxstb | wpyh: Then you probably need to wait until he's around.... |
14:01:33 | wpyh | linuxstb: thanks |
14:01:39 | wpyh | will a small patch be accepted? |
14:01:47 | wpyh | mipsel-linux- -> mipsel-elf- |
14:01:57 | BigBambi | If it is correct, yes |
14:01:58 | wpyh | or maybe someone can just make that commit |
14:02:10 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Hadn't really thought about it. But we should at least make sure that downloads are logged, even if we don't (at first) display the results |
14:02:23 | wpyh | BigBambi: OK, I'll try |
14:02:46 | linuxstb | wpyh: I don't think anyone would want to commit that without talking to mcuelenaere |
14:02:55 | wpyh | hmmm |
14:03:03 | BigBambi | This was my point |
14:03:08 | wpyh | ok then, I'll wait until he's around |
14:03:11 | wpyh | two weeks? |
14:03:15 | BigBambi | hence "if it is correct" :) |
14:03:53 | wpyh | so "correct" == "mcuelenaere says it's correct"? |
14:04:16 | BigBambi | Or someone else who understands what is going on there |
14:04:28 | BigBambi | For now, that is probably mcuelenaere |
14:04:36 | wpyh | ok :) |
14:04:37 | Nico_P | linuxstb: yeah, I think it would be nice to have some stats... the ability to sort themes by most downloaded would be nice |
14:04:56 | Nico_P | maybe even having ratings, but I might be getting a little carried away |
14:05:10 | wpyh | stats+ratings are commonly used on sites like kde-look |
14:05:13 | wpyh | (IIRC) |
14:05:21 | wpyh | I think it would be a good idea |
14:05:51 | wpyh | the downside may be that new themes don't get looked at because most people download only the most-downloaded or highly-rated themes |
14:06:47 | wpyh | hm... lots of missing #define's when building the vx747 target −− I guess I'll just wait for mcuelenaere |
14:07:17 | wpyh | btw, does anyone notice the change on IpodConversionToFAT32? |
14:07:24 | Nico_P | a way to see new additions would be nice too... it's hard to see which themes are new when tere are already lots |
14:07:47 | wpyh | I made the mformat section "old, alternative" and suggested newfs_msdos as the correct way |
14:08:10 | wpyh | I've tested it on a friend's macbook, and both RB and the OF runs fine |
14:08:43 | wpyh | additionally, I've captured the output of 'file' before and after the operation, and they display very similar structures indicating that they may be based on the same code |
14:08:54 | wpyh | should I make it available? |
14:09:14 | wpyh | Nico_P: yes, there should be a way to show newly added/updated themes |
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14:14:30 | kugel | Slasheri: ping |
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14:22:54 | BigBambi | wpyh: Try searching the logs - there was some discussion after your last changes resulting in what you see now IIRC |
14:25:28 | Slasheri | kugel: hi |
14:25:28 | wpyh | BigBambi: are you referring to the wiki page IpodConversionToFAT32? |
14:25:44 | BigBambi | yes |
14:26:19 | wpyh | hm... I see myself as the person who made the last change |
14:26:31 | wpyh | I mean, at the bottom right corner of the page |
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14:26:56 | BigBambi | Look for who made the change between what you thought and what you see now |
14:27:29 | * | wpyh doesn't understand what BigBambi is saying |
14:28:08 | BigBambi | Perhaps I misunderstood what you said |
14:28:25 | BigBambi | I read your statement above as that you had made some changes that are no longer there |
14:28:35 | wpyh | ah, no |
14:28:46 | wpyh | what I mean is that I made some changes to the page :) |
14:28:51 | BigBambi | ah |
14:29:07 | wpyh | and since I didn't talk about it on IRC, I would like to announce the changes |
14:29:34 | BigBambi | I was confused with you saying "the changes" implying by someone else, and not "my changes" |
14:30:18 | * | wpyh needs to be more clear... |
14:30:41 | BigBambi | Just a minor misunderstanding :) |
14:30:43 | wpyh | BigBambi: thanks. sometimes I just assume things :p |
14:30:45 | wpyh | yeah |
14:31:01 | wpyh | anyway, please test newfs_msdos |
14:31:24 | wpyh | it's way more convenient than mformat, which requires one to modify a configuration file before it can format |
14:32:15 | GodEater | the only people that can test are OSX owners |
14:32:23 | GodEater | which I think we've established in here, are few and far between |
14:35:53 | wpyh | yeah |
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14:43:46 | kugel | Slasheri: have you already taken a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7287? |
14:44:38 | kugel | Slasheri: support for sort tags. I already implemented tags, but not that the database shows the normal tags but sorts internally by the sort tags |
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15:05:22 | Slasheri | kugel: hmm, i will have a look |
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15:11:27 | kugel | Slasheri: Thanks, I think the support of this tags would be great |
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15:20:55 | JdGordon | linuxstb: hey, I know why there are no photos of the e100 internals... its not obvious how you open the thing without breaking it |
15:22:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | JdGordon: The e100 is a SigmaTel-based player. And here I was thinking it was a Telechips-based DAP with an SD slot. |
15:22:25 | JdGordon | its a very nice player... |
15:22:32 | JdGordon | 8gb, big screen, micro sd |
15:23:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | JdGordon: Eh? Are we on the same wavelength here? |
15:23:29 | JdGordon | iriver e100 |
15:23:30 | petur | LambdaCalculus37: where did you find that info? |
15:23:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | JdGordon: Ohhh! I thought you meant the Sansa e100! :P |
15:23:56 | JdGordon | :) |
15:24:05 | petur | the iriver e100 has line-in |
15:25:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | petur: Sorry, I thought JdGordon meant this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Sandisk.jpg/800px-Sandisk.jpg |
15:26:16 | petur | hmmm |
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15:26:46 | Lifthanger | Hello,I guess this is asked a thousand times a day, but i couldn |
15:26:50 | JdGordon | LambdaCalculus37: yeah, I should have said iriver, but linuxstb (should) know what i was talking about.. unless i have the person or target wrong :p |
15:27:13 | petur | LambdaCalculus37: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iriver_E100 |
15:27:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | petur: Yes, I've seen the iriver E100 series already, although I don't really have plans on getting one. |
15:28:37 | petur | with the h3x0/h1x0/x5 getting more and more difficult to get, we need a new recording-centric target (ie one that has line-in) |
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15:28:54 | Strife89 | I'm looking for Marc Guay. |
15:28:58 | Lifthanger | Hello,I guess this is asked a thousand times a day, but i couldn't find an answer on the forums. Is it technically impossible to use rockbox on the newer ipods or is it just not implemented? thanks |
15:29:12 | GodEater | Lifthanger: not impossible, just very difficult |
15:29:13 | JdGordon | nothing is impossible |
15:29:27 | GodEater | Lifthanger: and no-one has done the enormous amount of work involved in making it happen |
15:29:30 | Strife89 | lifthanger:the newest iPods have their firmware encrypted |
15:29:42 | GodEater | Strife89: Marc doesn't often hang out here |
15:29:43 | JdGordon | petur: do none of the "newer" targets have linein? |
15:29:52 | petur | not that I know |
15:30:02 | JdGordon | GodEater: he does.. just your at opposite timezones |
15:30:13 | petur | most have internal mic only or something that requires a doc |
15:30:18 | Lifthanger | Ah thanks, now I understand |
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15:30:37 | GodEater | Lifthanger: this explanation is given in much greater detail in the forum thread |
15:31:34 | Strife89 | Oh, well. |
15:31:59 | GodEater | JdGordon: really? I must have missed him in the logs... |
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15:32:15 | Strife89 | What's his nick? |
15:32:16 | JdGordon | he's usually on around lunch time here.. |
15:32:26 | JdGordon | Strife89: MarcGuay :p |
15:32:28 | GodEater | Strife89: what do you want him for anyway ? |
15:32:45 | Strife89 | I ported PlainandSimple..... but with heavy changes. |
15:33:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: You could always PM him on the forums. |
15:33:11 | Strife89 | I know it's under CC 3.0, but..... |
15:33:13 | tonsOfSparks | hello, everyone. I am trying to install rockbox in a sansa c240, but the bootloader refuses to install - the patcher says "failed to decrypt image". what do I do? if this helps, i have used the sansa update tool to update the firmware to 01.XX.07 before. |
15:33:40 | Strife89 | You want the firmware LOWER than 01.xx.07. |
15:34:04 | Strife89 | Like 01.xx.03 -ish. |
15:34:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | tonsOfSparks: Here's where you can get a lower firmware version: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Port#Sansapatcher_isn_t_finding_my_c2 |
15:36:45 | tonsOfSparks | thanks, i'm trying that right now |
15:42:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | Make sure to read the instructions *exactly*! |
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15:51:33 | tonsOfSparks | thanks, dudes! (and gals if there are any, which i doubt) |
15:51:40 | tonsOfSparks | i now have XXXX.00 |
15:51:49 | tonsOfSparks | trying to do auto rockbox install |
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15:56:54 | tonsOfSparks | ok, it said th installatio successful |
15:57:01 | tonsOfSparks | unplugging |
15:57:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | Both of the bootloader and a build? |
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15:57:17 | tonsOfSparks | yes |
15:57:37 | tonsOfSparks | and rockdoom - which i'm not sur if i'll be using, but whatever |
15:57:47 | tonsOfSparks | rebooting |
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15:58:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rockdoom on a c240? Don't bother, to be honest. The LCD on the c200 isn't really the best for a high speed game like Doom. |
15:58:29 | tonsOfSparks | YESS! my SansaC240 is not a ROCKsansaBOX-C240 |
15:58:35 | tonsOfSparks | thany you all |
15:58:41 | tonsOfSparks | thank you |
15:58:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's not a Rockboxed c240? :P |
15:58:55 | * | LambdaCalculus37 points to tonOfSparks' little typo |
15:59:01 | tonsOfSparks | you know what i mean, whatever is is |
15:59:11 | tonsOfSparks | lol |
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16:00:08 | tonsOfSparks | ok, now how do i get it off MSC mode (under rockbox) so i can add mucic to it? |
16:01:10 | BigBambi | You need to use the Sansa OF as MSC to add music for now |
16:01:31 | BigBambi | Rockbox doesn't yet have USB for some players, including the c200 |
16:01:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | Here's how to get back into the Sansa OF: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansac200/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-290003.1.3 |
16:02:22 | tonsOfSparks | Power+left, right? thats as far as i got in the manual. thanks |
16:02:47 | tonsOfSparks | yup, that works |
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16:04:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | tonsOfSparks: Don't forget to check out more of the manual. It explains a lot of how to make the most of Rockbox. |
16:05:53 | Strife89 | Er, how do I add images to the Wiki? |
16:08:11 | tonsOfSparks | yeah. i definately will. |
16:08:31 | petur | Strife89: as attachments? |
16:08:54 | Strife89 | petur: Yes. |
16:08:58 | tonsOfSparks | ok, my first problem. I was playing spacerocks and it says Prefetch abort at <hex value> what's that mean and what do i do about it? |
16:09:16 | Strife89 | tonsOfSparks: it's a bug |
16:09:25 | petur | Strife89: my question was actually an answer ;) |
16:09:44 | tonsOfSparks | so how do I restart? |
16:09:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | tonsOfSparks: How the Power/Menu button down for about 15-20 seconds to force the Sansa to shut off. |
16:09:46 | Strife89 | petur: I'm not sure how to attach files |
16:10:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then give it about a second or two before powering it back on again. |
16:10:22 | tonsOfSparks | gracias, sapasibo, and thatever else... |
16:10:30 | tonsOfSparks | k |
16:10:45 | Strife89 | And ignore SpaceRocks until it's fixed. :p |
16:10:52 | tonsOfSparks | perfect! |
16:10:56 | tonsOfSparks | i love it! |
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16:11:01 | petur | Strife89: there's an Attach link at the bottom of each page |
16:11:08 | tonsOfSparks | now i'm gonna go and read the manual. |
16:11:16 | tonsOfSparks | c yall and thnks again |
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16:11:48 | Strife89 | petur: Ohhhhhhhh..... I was looking in the edit page. |
16:12:20 | GodEater | Strife89: rather than litter that thread with more cruft, want to visit -community for an ex-falso lesson ? |
16:12:32 | Strife89 | Sure. |
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16:13:07 | Strife89 | Ready and waitin'. :) |
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16:25:45 | linuxstb | JdGordon|zzz: I think you're mistaking me for someone else - I know nothing about the iriver e100 |
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16:34:34 | tonsOfSparks | hello again. i've read a lot of the manual but cant find the solution to this problem anywhere: when i try to build database, it gets stuck at 704. when i try to browse files, it shows all the stuff i get under windows under MSC mode. I switched mrom MSC to auto in the regular firmware, but it makes not difference. what do I do? |
16:35:44 | Strife89 | Have you set the View Files setting to All? |
16:36:19 | BigBambi | He is using the database |
16:36:48 | Strife89 | Did you transfer your music while under MSC mode? |
16:36:52 | BigBambi | tonsOfSparks: You do need it in MSC not auto in the OF. What type of files are you adding? Do you have any embedded album art? |
16:37:09 | BigBambi | Strife89: Yes, at first |
16:37:36 | BigBambi | strife89: His message says he can see what he added as MSC under files, but the database fails to build |
16:37:56 | Strife89 | Time to get a cup of coffee. |
16:38:29 | tonsOfSparks | it's on teh default value. I'm assuming that's all. when i use the file browser i get the SYSTEM folder. whenever i plug into my computer i see my music folder, etc, but under rockbox i see SYSTEM folder and the Version.txt file |
16:38:51 | BigBambi | What is on the default value? |
16:39:39 | tonsOfSparks | oh ,yeah, sorry - the "view Files" setting is on the dafault value |
16:39:51 | BigBambi | You just said you can see everything under file browser (in Rockbox). If you cannot, as Strife89 said, turn show files setting to all. The Sansa OF hides the music folder (annoyingly) |
16:40:25 | BigBambi | You can either put your music in a different folder of your choosing, or you can set show all files to all |
16:40:38 | BigBambi | This is a different issue to the database not finishing building though |
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16:40:46 | Strife89 | Then, if your music shows up, try to play it from the File Browser. |
16:40:58 | Strife89 | One step at a time. :) |
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16:43:56 | tonsOfSparks | ok, i set it to view all files, and now i get ALL the folders, as normal, but when i enter my music folder i see none of the subfolders or files that are supposed to be there. |
16:45:00 | tonsOfSparks | i'll try deleting all my music and syncing again, i'll see if that helps |
16:45:06 | BigBambi | And you transfered this music in MSC mode? |
16:45:28 | tonsOfSparks | uh.. no that was the music I had on befire i installed rockbox. |
16:45:33 | BigBambi | I'd put it in a different folder to Music this time, it'll be a lot easier in the long run |
16:45:53 | BigBambi | tonsOfSparks: As I said, you need to use MSC to transfer music that Rockbox will see |
16:46:01 | BigBambi | MTP changes names and stuff |
16:47:01 | tonsOfSparks | oh! will the sansa OS see the music i transfered in MSC? (just wondering) |
16:47:10 | BigBambi | yes |
16:51:46 | Strife89 | tonsofSparks: I just uploaded a theme port to the WPS gallery if you want to try it later. |
16:51:49 | Strife89 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsSansaC200#Plain_and_Simple |
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16:56:16 | tonsOfSparks | ok, I'm assuming that I can't use RockBox to play DRM'd Spiralfrog downloads, am I right? |
16:56:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | That's right. |
16:56:37 | tonsOfSparks | can I play WMA's at all? |
16:56:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | As long as they're not encumbered by DRM. |
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16:57:01 | tonsOfSparks | ok, thanks |
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17:23:36 | stony | hi guys |
17:23:58 | stony | can i reconfigure rockbox the way to lock all the menus and only put a few settings available to use it as a audio guide ? |
17:24:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes you can, but that will require you to edit the source code and compile a new build. |
17:26:25 | stony | hmm dirty hack, i see |
17:26:51 | stony | but that would be ok |
17:29:00 | stony | i'm missing the "license" point on the homepage |
17:29:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rockbox is under GPLv2 or later. |
17:30:37 | stony | hmm this virii thingie |
17:32:07 | * | rasher doesn't see why this would be a big issue if you're building an audio guide |
17:32:48 | stony | rasher: i hate the point that i have to release the code i've written for some company back under the gpl, and make it public |
17:33:30 | stony | but i don't want to start a licensing-(meta)-discussion here - i'm sorry for that |
17:34:33 | rasher | stony: No, it's fine. We do it once in a while. You don't have to release the code to the world. Just to people you're distributing binaries to. And that's the price for using "our" code as a base. |
17:36:33 | stony | rasher: as far as i understand the gpl i have to distribute the changed code to everony who wants it, binary or not, or at least i have to make an offer for at least 3 years to "spread the code" |
17:37:01 | stony | so as far as i understand it, i have to give to code ALWAYS away |
17:37:16 | stony | i think the *BSD-"do with it what you want"-style is the better one |
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17:38:11 | rasher | stony: I'm pretty sure that's a misunderstanding, you only have to distribute source to people who you've distributed binaries to. If you code the stuff, and it's used internally by a company, the only people who have the right to ask you for source is the company. |
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17:38:50 | rasher | Of course, they're then free to release the source to the world, but that's the price you pay for piggy-backing on our work. |
17:39:53 | rasher | I'm mostly a fan of BSD-style licenses as well, but you have to respect the wishes of the authors. |
17:41:58 | stony | sure i do |
17:43:01 | stony | i hack it, compile it, test it, publish it, and then i delete the source ;D |
17:43:04 | stony | just a joke |
17:43:07 | petur | well if you don't want to release your code but do want to grab all the work the OSS community did, they go and write it all yourself. OSS is about giving and taking, not taking and taking |
17:43:23 | petur | s/they/then |
17:43:54 | stony | the point is not the giving and taking - the point is more the licensing-lawyer-thingie |
17:44:04 | petur | no it is not |
17:44:13 | stony | it is |
17:44:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | It is not. |
17:44:23 | petur | 2-1 |
17:44:33 | * | petur hands LambdaCalculus37 a beer |
17:44:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | petur: Thanks! :) |
17:45:40 | stony | one example: a few days ago i was thinking about hacking a piece of software that does imap - it and the modules in it, are under 10 different licenses, some bsd style, some gpl style ... if i go and hack this piece of soft, i have to get a lawyer later to safe my neck ... |
17:45:46 | stony | i bet 101% |
17:46:09 | petur | ah, mixing licenses is something else |
17:47:18 | stony | also i think that this gpl-thing sometimes avoids software-patches, add-ons, whatever 'cause the ppl that are programming on it don't like the license style |
17:47:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | What!? |
17:48:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | What kind of rubbish talk is that, and from where in your butt did you get that one from? |
17:48:46 | scorche|sh | if you dont like the GPL, dont use GPL-ed code...simple |
17:48:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | Do you know how many people have contributed addons and patches to this project? |
17:49:00 | stony | the freedom that is given to the user/developer on the one side is taken from some developers on the other side, as they only want to develope something on top of that, and their software is GPLed later because it used some libs ... |
17:49:47 | scorche|sh | stony: if you want to try and argue this further, hop into #rockbox-community |
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17:50:15 | stony | scorche|sh: as i said, i don't want this licensing discussion - so i think we should stop it here |
17:51:02 | scorche|sh | if you dont want to discuss it, then dont...if you dont like abiding by the GPL's terms, then dont use GPLed code...it is simple either way |
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18:16:06 | * | linuxstb wonders if anyone is interested in a SAP codec (music from Atari 8-bit computers) |
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18:24:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: More chiptunes? ;) |
18:24:20 | linuxstb | Yes - I hate them... |
18:24:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | Well, I do have the Atari SAP Music Archive in my collection. |
18:24:47 | linuxstb | But a codec would seem to be relatively easy, based on the asap player. |
18:24:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | Doesn't mean that I listen to them, though. ;) |
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19:56:58 | codesuperking | hello everybody. I am new to rockbox just installed today. learnt that rockbox can enable ipod nano 1st G to lay video. So curious. Need ur help |
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19:57:48 | codesuperking | In which folder do I add any file be it video or audio when rockbox is installed ? |
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19:58:05 | domonoky | codesuperking: anywhere you like.. |
19:58:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Anywhere you'd like. |
19:58:19 | scorche|sh | whichever you want although we dont suggest the .rockbox folder |
19:58:19 | PaulJam | anywhere you want (preferrably not the .rockbox folder) |
19:58:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | codesuperking: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
19:58:34 | scorche|sh | codesuperking: might i suggest having a look at the manual? |
19:58:36 | Bagder | codesuperking: we also have a great manual |
19:58:41 | codesuperking | I added in Ipod_Control in F00 folder |
19:58:50 | domonoky | for the videos: you have to covert them to right format and size, see wiki.. :-) |
19:58:55 | codesuperking | However unable to navigate to that file using rockbox |
19:59:12 | scorche|sh | codesuperking: you need to change the file view option...but it is easier to just not use that folder |
19:59:49 | codesuperking | I have read the manual before posting here but the manual does not clarify which folder which is the reason I ask here |
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20:00:04 | scorche|sh | because there is no specific folder |
20:00:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rockbox doesn't care where you copy videos to. |
20:00:07 | codesuperking | I have downloaded elephants dream |
20:00:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Make a /HeapOfMovies folder, for all Rockbox cares. |
20:01:05 | codesuperking | @LambdaCalculus37: What is the meaning of / in /HeapOfMovies |
20:01:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | Folder designation. |
20:01:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | On Windows, that would be X:\HeapOfMovies (replace X: with your nano's drive letter). |
20:02:09 | codesuperking | Thanks. Let me try |
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20:05:36 | codesuperking | I created a movies folder and copied the video to it. On navigating rockbox and going to that folder I am unable to see that video filename. Please let me know any updation is required |
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20:08:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | What's the file's extension? |
20:08:41 | codesuperking | .mpg |
20:09:02 | PaulJam | and check what your "show files" setting is set to. it schould be "All" or "supported" |
20:09:15 | codesuperking | The full file name is elephantsdream-q6-176x128-310kbps.mpg |
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20:10:43 | codesuperking | thanks a ton. It solved the problem. The show files was not selected to All |
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20:15:20 | codesuperking | I encounter one problem also - whenever I connect my ipod that has rockbox started to my computer, it takes a while for my computer to detect that Ipod is connected. I once encountered a case when the computer did not detect it, the ipod did not show charging icon and on unplugging it suddenly displayed the charging icon |
20:18:07 | codesuperking | Does rockbox has a feature by which any files updated by it are displayed by the original Ipod firmware |
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20:20:07 | PaulJam | rockbox has no own USB mode yet. it uses the emergency disk mode of the apple firmware. if you want the apple firmware to see your music, than you have to put the music on the player with itunes |
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20:22:32 | codesuperking | Dear ppl, I am impressed with the kind of software rockbox is. Please accept my compliments |
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20:25:13 | codesuperking | I am a developer and would like to contribute to rockbox in my spare time be it documentation,testing or coding. Please let me know the right channels |
20:25:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | You're in the right channel. |
20:29:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | This is where the devs come to talk. |
20:30:33 | scorche|sh | why exactly do we need yet another guide?: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling |
20:31:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | scorche|sh: Strife89 wrote that one. |
20:33:36 | Llorean | I think that guide will inspire bad questions |
20:33:48 | Llorean | I suspect some people will try "cd /home/username" only to find such a directory does not exist. |
20:34:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | I wonder why he didn't just write "cd ~" instead, since that's basically the same switch. |
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20:36:12 | Llorean | I almost kinda think we should dump the SimpleGuide pages and and make http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile include rockboxdev.sh and mention adding them to your path. |
20:36:14 | scorche|sh | either way, why write yet another one instead of just improving the current "simple guide"? |
20:36:23 | * | LambdaCalculus37 shrugs |
20:36:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think we should talk to him about merging the two pages back into one. |
20:37:05 | Llorean | Then put some notes on it like "Compiling Rockbox is a technical process and should be done by someone with familiarity with their host operating system and the environment they're compiling in. If you don't understand the guide's instructions it is recommended that you seek tutorials for your environment" |
20:37:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: Good idea. |
20:41:15 | codesuperking | Friends I would prefer starting with documentation to gain some familiarity with rockbox terminology. I am adept at writing good manuals apart from good coding - (sorry for some immodesty ;-) ) |
20:41:39 | Llorean | codesuperking: Well the manual and the code are both available via our SVN repository |
20:41:53 | Llorean | And we accept patches to both by way of the patch tracker linked to on nearly every page of the site |
20:41:55 | scorche|sh | codesuperking: do you know tex? |
20:42:14 | codesuperking | no but I can learn it |
20:43:03 | codesuperking | I think tex will be useful if the code is in some state of already some documentation. Otherwise it will be whole lot of time |
20:43:04 | num1 | codesuperking: from what I remember tex takes more than a little effort to learn |
20:43:48 | codesuperking | If the intention is to generate docs from code, may i suggest doxygen that I have used in many of my projects |
20:44:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ummm, we use TeX for the manual. |
20:44:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | LaTeX, to be exact. |
20:45:34 | codesuperking | What is the current state of this type of document ? |
20:46:00 | domonoky | you can see your self, the manual is linked from the webpage.. :-) |
20:46:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | And the manual source code is in the SVN trunk. |
20:46:41 | num1 | The way the menus are currently implemented, is there anyway to make an animation across menus? Like when you choose database the current menu slides off the screen to be replaced by the selected menu |
20:46:45 | domonoky | and we do generate specific manuals for every target out of one manual Tex "source - code" :-) |
20:46:56 | num1 | how hard would that be to code, or would it require a rewrite of some parts |
20:47:33 | rasher | codesuperking: The code isn't documented much. A few specific parts are, but the manual is a completely separate piece of work. |
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20:47:48 | codesuperking | I will check this out |
20:48:07 | codesuperking | Are there any specific deadlines ? |
20:48:12 | bertrik | yeah, the manual is really a user manual, not a description of the rockbox API or anything like that |
20:48:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Deadlines? What are those? ;) |
20:48:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | What do we look like? A coding sweatshop? |
20:49:01 | domonoky | no deadlines in volunteering rockbox work .. :-) |
20:49:13 | bertrik | codesuperking, yes there is a release planned sometime this summer (don't know exactly when) |
20:49:18 | codesuperking | that is say u are going to deliver a major release at this date and would like the documentation to be in this state at that date −− just an example |
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20:51:43 | Llorean | bertrik: End of Aug. |
20:52:30 | codesuperking | I realise that volunteering needs no deadlines but just my opinion no deadlines means work goes at a very easy going pace |
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20:53:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | We're not getting paid anyway. Why rush good things? |
20:53:42 | Llorean | codesuperking: While we have no deadlines, we do occasionally have targets. |
20:54:03 | Llorean | One target is having the manual cover all the features of Rockbox, and preferably easy to read, but the end of Aug for the release. |
20:55:00 | codesuperking | Frankly ,when my boss gives deadlines, I resent him but then I realise its for some good - the only thing is it be realistic |
20:55:16 | bertrik | codesuperking, rockbox get updates every day and there's plenty of work in the pipeline and being done on new ports |
20:56:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | codesuperking, here people work on what they want to work on, when they get some time to. |
20:56:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | We have lives to tend to, as well. |
20:56:53 | codesuperking | @Llorean: My plan is to first check the state of documentation go through its features, work with rockbox on my Ipod and will start working on the documentation |
20:57:24 | Llorean | codesuperking: We appreciate any and all contributions. |
20:57:46 | codesuperking | thanks |
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20:58:07 | linuxstb | codesuperking: Which ipod do you have? |
20:58:12 | codesuperking | goodbye friends. Its night out here and feeling zzzzzzzzzz |
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20:58:50 | esperegu_ | anyone knows if png albumart support is planned? |
20:59:06 | GodEater_ | we'd need plain png support first |
20:59:09 | GodEater_ | which we don't have |
20:59:26 | esperegu_ | ok. so is that planned? ;-) |
20:59:33 | BigBambi | not that I know of |
20:59:34 | GodEater_ | nothing is planned really |
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20:59:39 | domonoky | esperegu_: we normally dont have any plans. if someone likes to work on it, we have it, otherwise not.. |
20:59:40 | GodEater_ | things just happen when people work on them |
20:59:43 | esperegu_ | hehe |
20:59:43 | BigBambi | But people tend to work on what they want to |
20:59:58 | esperegu_ | so.. anyone workin on it? :-D |
20:59:59 | GodEater_ | to my knowledge, no-one is working on it currently |
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21:00:05 | esperegu_ | k |
21:00:18 | esperegu_ | any current devices that are supported? |
21:00:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nope. |
21:00:22 | GodEater_ | nope |
21:00:31 | esperegu_ | :-( |
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21:00:47 | esperegu_ | when do those stupid manufactures wake up and deliver supported devices? |
21:00:47 | codesuperking | I have ipod nano 1st G |
21:00:49 | esperegu_ | dammit |
21:00:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | Although if you'd like a device, here's a nice Sansa e270 deal: http://www.froobi.com/SanDisk-Sansa-e270-6GB-MP3-Media-Player-w-FMVoice-Recorder-Factory-Recertified-Rockbox-Ready_p_78-32282.html# |
21:01:24 | linuxstb | codesuperking: Ah, OK. I was hoping you would have a rarer device - some ipods don't have very many (or any) developers |
21:01:31 | BigBambi | LambdaCalculus37: *and you are in the US :) |
21:01:33 | GodEater_ | "Rockbox Ready"? :) |
21:01:34 | GodEater_ | haha |
21:01:41 | GodEater_ | we should have a certification program |
21:01:42 | linuxstb | Rocks for Sure... |
21:01:48 | domonoky | :-) |
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21:01:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | I like that. :) |
21:01:57 | GodEater_ | hahaha |
21:01:58 | esperegu_ | looks nice |
21:02:08 | num1 | esperegu_: You could try porting the libpng code if you wanted to |
21:02:19 | BigBambi | I do like that it is being sold as Rockbox ready though |
21:02:20 | * | GodEater_ looked at that a while ago |
21:02:27 | GodEater_ | it's full of floating point math though :( |
21:02:29 | codesuperking | @linuxstb: No rare device however I have a old PC that I am thinking over of putting to some use |
21:02:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | codesuperking: You can set it up as a build server for us. |
21:02:53 | num1 | GodEater_: that's unfortunate |
21:03:15 | BigBambi | Depends how old - too old will be too slow to be of much use |
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21:03:54 | esperegu_ | LambdaCalculus37: they only ship to USA |
21:04:05 | codesuperking | @lambdaCalculus37: I am a person of limited means and will not be able to afford costs of bband here |
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21:05:12 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinks of something Rockbox needs more of that codesuperking can help with |
21:05:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Beer! We need more beer! :) |
21:05:48 | num1 | LambdaCalculus37: The wiki has some pages that need to be clesned up |
21:05:56 | num1 | he could work on those |
21:06:02 | codesuperking | ahh! I am not a drinker and have unfavourable opinion abt alcoholics ;-) |
21:06:53 | GodEater_ | oh dear |
21:07:01 | GodEater_ | what an unfortunate place to voice such an opinion |
21:07:23 | * | BigBambi claims drinking alcohol != alcoholic |
21:07:47 | * | GodEater_ would agree with that claim |
21:07:59 | linuxstb | shotofadds: I tried the SVN NAND code on my Logik DAX, without any success (nothing mounted), but I'm not really sure what I need to look for/at... |
21:08:05 | * | GodEater_ hides his half empty vodka bottle |
21:08:11 | BigBambi | amateur |
21:08:28 | num1 | This is getting a little offtopic |
21:08:37 | GodEater_ | beer is never off topic |
21:08:38 | BigBambi | beer is always on topic |
21:08:39 | num1 | lol |
21:09:14 | nardul | Am i correct in assuming that rockbox only uses fat32? |
21:09:16 | * | GodEater_ high fives BigBambi |
21:09:19 | GodEater_ | nardul: yes |
21:09:26 | num1 | nardul: you're correct |
21:09:34 | BigBambi | at fat16 on removable cards IIRC |
21:09:38 | BigBambi | s/at/and |
21:09:38 | domonoky | and fat16 :-) |
21:09:49 | nardul | Am i further correct in assuming that no other FS will be support for a while? |
21:09:51 | shotofadds | linuxstb: yes, I saw that in the logs. I'm 90% sure the 77x driver works as well as it does on the D2, but it seems the smaller block size on the 1Gb chips means block translation errors occur more often (including logical sector 0...) |
21:09:58 | BigBambi | nardul: I'd say so |
21:10:00 | GodEater_ | nardul: if you take while and replace it with never |
21:10:00 | BigBambi | if at all |
21:10:04 | codesuperking | goodbye friends will meet you soon again. <going for sleep> |
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21:10:17 | GodEater_ | there is no reason to support another FS |
21:10:33 | linuxstb | shotofadds: Is there anything I can do to verify that the raw reads are working correctly? Or are you confident about those? |
21:10:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Another FS means bloated code, which we don't want. |
21:10:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Besides, all the major OS'es support FAT32. |
21:11:10 | GodEater_ | plus no other FS is supported on as many OSs |
21:11:13 | GodEater_ | dammit |
21:11:21 | nardul | GodEater_, There's many good reasons to support another fs. Fat is giving me many problems. And i'd like to have big files on there. And worst of all, fat sucks pipes. |
21:11:32 | nardul | But you have points. |
21:11:44 | num1 | LambdaCalculus37: you keep talking about bloated code, wouldn't it be possible to do a unix'ism and write filesystem handlers as plugins? |
21:11:45 | linuxstb | nardul: Then write a new filesystem driver... Basically, it's going to be a _lot_ of work, for very small gain. |
21:12:00 | linuxstb | I would like to see someone do it though (but others disagree...). |
21:12:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | num1: What linuxstb said also applies to you. |
21:12:13 | nardul | linuxstb, I'd like to, but i'm afraid i'm not smart enough. |
21:12:19 | shotofadds | linuxstb: raw reads are fine. the tests I've done involve writing known values to the volume from Windows, then reading them back using the Rockbox driver. The errors in block translation occur because there are multiple physical blocks marked with the same logical block number - the problem is figuring out which copy is correct |
21:12:56 | linuxstb | shotofadds: That's on an m200 though? |
21:13:02 | nardul | ext2 would be pretty sweet though. |
21:13:22 | shotofadds | linuxstb: both. the translation scheme is exactly the same |
21:13:24 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is glad shotofadds is having fun with the m240 :) |
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21:13:28 | GodEater_ | it would only be of use to unix users though |
21:13:37 | GodEater_ | linux at that |
21:13:40 | linuxstb | shotofadds: You mean an m200 and a DAX? Or m200 and D2? |
21:13:48 | * | shotofadds thinks it'd be more fun if the screen worked |
21:14:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | shotofadds: Still can't get it to work correctly? |
21:14:11 | nardul | GodEater_, There's drivers for windows. And mac. And it's a better FS. imo. And even i have to add drivers for fat in linux. |
21:14:11 | shotofadds | linuxstb: m200 and D2. I doubt the DAX/M200 differ significantly |
21:14:36 | BigBambi | nardul: You have to add fat drivers to linux? |
21:14:36 | GodEater_ | nardul: really? what weird distro are you using then ? |
21:14:41 | BigBambi | What odd distro? |
21:14:43 | linuxstb | So I do, but it could be useful to confirm that. |
21:14:47 | shotofadds | LambdaCalculus37: nope. the ribbon connector seems to have a dodgy connection, but I can't seem to make it better. |
21:15:12 | nardul | I use gentoo, there's not much to it. But in principle... |
21:15:17 | BigBambi | .... |
21:15:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | shotofadds: Must've been when I accidentally bumped the ribbon into the front panel when closing it. Sorry. :) |
21:15:51 | scorche|sh | nardul: it still is a lot of work for a little gain not to mention the disadvantages...really you are going to have to learn how if you want it |
21:15:51 | * | GodEater_ doesn't every remember having to "add" Fat support when he ran gentoo |
21:15:53 | GodEater_ | when did they remove it ? |
21:16:13 | * | LambdaCalculus37 remembers FAT support in Gentoo when he ran a LiveCD of it |
21:16:15 | GodEater_ | and why for gods sake? |
21:16:16 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
21:16:25 | GodEater_ | that's a dumb decision |
21:16:33 | scorche|sh | certainly |
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21:16:41 | nardul | GodEater_, You add it in the kernel. |
21:16:47 | num1 | maybe support was bloating the system ;) |
21:16:56 | GodEater_ | it's a default option in the kernel last time I built in gentoo |
21:17:03 | GodEater_ | you have to *remove* it if you dont want it |
21:17:05 | GodEater_ | not the other way round |
21:17:49 | * | GodEater_ remembers why he stopped running gentoo |
21:17:52 | nardul | Wow, bad argument then. |
21:17:58 | rasher | Besides, some of our targets won't boot if not running on FAT. |
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21:18:27 | GodEater_ | nardul: it's a frequent one, we get a little tired of it sometimes =/ |
21:18:29 | GodEater_ | sorry |
21:18:38 | nardul | Quite okay. |
21:19:35 | GodEater_ | there are essentially zero people here willing to implement it |
21:19:47 | GodEater_ | so if anyone wants it, they're going to *have* to do it themselves |
21:19:47 | nardul | I'm just annoyed aswell, fat32 and rsync are giving me problems. Filenames are limited, and char-cases change. |
21:19:59 | nardul | GodEater_, If i ever get smart enough, i might. |
21:20:03 | nardul | For funsies. |
21:20:12 | scorche|sh | never a time like the present to learn... |
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21:23:21 | nardul | *sigh*, a folder can't be called "R", it's translated to "r", "CD1" will be renamed to "cd1". I like nitpicking, but i have a fever. |
21:23:21 | shotofadds | linuxstb: it'd be quite easy to verify that reads are working on the DAX. Write a file with known data to the DAX and write a simple loop in ata_init() to scan the first few bytes of every physical sector for that string. I'll pastebin you some code to do it, if you like. |
21:23:32 | num1 | okay, so say I'm crazy enough to attempt to port libpng to rockbox, where would I find information on including a codec in the rockbox source code? |
21:23:57 | GodEater_ | a codec ? |
21:24:05 | GodEater_ | I'd do it as a plugin first... |
21:24:07 | scorche|sh | you mean a plugin/viewer? |
21:24:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | I imagine so. |
21:24:14 | num1 | erm, yeah, I meant a viewer |
21:24:27 | scorche|sh | there are a few guides in the wiki |
21:24:44 | GodEater_ | and the code in the jpegviewer would probably be a good starter too |
21:24:54 | num1 | allright |
21:27:46 | linuxstb | shotofadds: Sure, thanks. |
21:28:19 | linuxstb | num1: Also look at the "helloworld.c" plugin, plus plugin.h and all the other plugins. |
21:28:44 | GodEater_ | nardul: you can specify the mount option shortname=mixed to your fat32 volumes if you want to preserve case |
21:29:04 | GodEater_ | still won't make the system case sensitive, but the display will be as you want |
21:29:26 | GodEater_ | allegedly :) |
21:29:30 | * | GodEater_ hasn't ever tried it |
21:29:49 | * | linuxstb notices the "posix" option, which would seem to allow two files with the same name (only varying in case) |
21:29:57 | nardul | GodEater_, You will know in a second! |
21:30:28 | * | linuxstb uses it, when he remembers... |
21:31:06 | nardul | linuxstb, shortname=posix that is? |
21:31:53 | * | GodEater_ wonders what man page linuxstb is reading |
21:32:31 | GodEater_ | wow |
21:32:46 | GodEater_ | nardul: no, it's not shortname=posix, it's just posix on it's own |
21:32:51 | MU{lappy} | prolly mount. mine has a "posix" option (bare, not shortname=) that claims to do that. |
21:32:53 | * | GodEater_ wonders how the hell that works |
21:33:33 | num1 | GodEater_: magic, and a little bit of smoke and mirrors |
21:33:36 | MU{lappy} | prolly this should be in community? |
21:33:39 | linuxstb | nardul: No, just "posix" |
21:33:47 | MU{lappy} | and i imagine the results aren't nice if you mount on windows |
21:33:56 | GodEater_ | no, probably not |
21:34:58 | * | GodEater_ notes it's not a default option used by ubuntu's hal install |
21:35:05 | GodEater_ | nor is the shortname one |
21:35:28 | nardul | neither in gentoo. Surprise. |
21:35:31 | shotofadds | linuxstb: save a file on your DAX that begins with a unique string eg. "RoCkBoXx" and try something like this: http://www.pastebin.ca/1079814 |
21:35:37 | GodEater_ | although somehow mine is preserving case without it =/ |
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21:35:39 | GodEater_ | go figure |
21:35:50 | shotofadds | linuxstb: should only take a minute or so to run |
21:36:01 | MU{lappy} | all of the shortname options preserve case on longnamed files |
21:36:06 | MU{lappy} | (afaik) |
21:37:28 | nardul | linuxstb, I can't make it work in gconf though. Kernel misconfigured? |
21:38:19 | linuxstb | What's gconf? I just edit /etc/fstab... |
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21:38:42 | nardul | linuxstb, I like just plugging it in and letting HAL take care of it. |
21:38:51 | nardul | Can't be bothered to mount -a |
21:40:10 | GodEater_ | yes, the format for options in gconf and fstab appear to be different |
21:40:14 | GodEater_ | which is a royal pain in the arse |
21:40:36 | GodEater_ | for example filemode and dirmode work in fstab, but it's fmask and dmask in gconf |
21:40:39 | GodEater_ | it's bloody stupid |
21:41:27 | nardul | someone screwed up then |
21:43:28 | kugel | linuxstb: I uploaded the new version of custom list vp if you're interested |
21:44:07 | nardul | GodEater_, Any luck finding references on the web? |
21:44:13 | linuxstb | shotofadds: Thanks. I can't run it now, but will try later tonight. |
21:44:20 | GodEater_ | nardul: to what ? |
21:44:27 | nardul | GodEater_, gconf and posix. |
21:44:36 | GodEater_ | I've not been looking |
21:44:41 | nardul | okay. |
21:46:38 | nardul | shortname=mixed works anyway. |
21:47:34 | itcheg | any dev with commit access an owner of an Ipod |
21:47:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | nardul: Okay, off-topic talk is over now. |
21:47:58 | nardul | ok |
21:48:05 | itcheg | was hopping a few simple patches can get commited |
21:49:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | itcheg: Any dev can commit patches. What have you got? |
21:49:35 | itcheg | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8428?histring=sudoku |
21:49:58 | itcheg | really simple might not be the best solution but definitely better than what there is now |
21:50:14 | itcheg | (I tested it and it works perfectely) |
21:50:55 | itcheg | I also test this one - works just fine http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8364?histring=sudoku |
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21:55:13 | itcheg | that's the thing quiet simple but if your not an owner of ipod there doesn't seem to be much interest |
21:55:36 | linuxstb | The second one has nothing to do with ipods... |
21:56:07 | itcheg | true |
21:56:25 | linuxstb | And the first may be applicable to other targets with wheels... |
21:56:25 | itcheg | first is major annoyance second a feature |
21:56:39 | itcheg | true as well |
21:56:39 | linuxstb | I'm not annoyed at all by the first though. |
21:57:13 | itcheg | well it wont make it worse, will it? |
21:57:21 | num1 | Wait, there's really a maximum file path size of 260? |
21:57:31 | num1 | what happens if you have a file path bigger than that? |
21:57:52 | linuxstb | itcheg: Well, it prevents the use of SELECT to toggle the numbers. I'm not saying it shouldn't be committed though... |
21:57:53 | itcheg | currenly there are two buttons to increment on the ipod, the select and the right buttons |
21:57:59 | * | nardul mutters incoherently about fat. |
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22:02:41 | itcheg | so linuxstb I take it you have an ipod, what do you think about the fact the now there are two buttons to increment both select and right? |
22:03:34 | linuxstb | It's been a while since I used sudoku on an ipod, but I recall that I normally used select to toggle the number. I would have to try again, and also with that patch. |
22:04:37 | itcheg | I, see and I guess it's not very high on the priority list... o well |
22:05:33 | linuxstb | No, I'll try and look at them soon - there are a few sudoku patches rotting on the tracker. (I wrote it in the first place) |
22:06:28 | nardul | itcheg, I like the patch. If i had a vote i'd agree with you. |
22:07:16 | itcheg | henri valta? |
22:07:36 | Imaginal | I'm trying to load a wps theme, and my 4g ipod is giving me the no-theme-theme instead. Prepackaged, extracted to the right directory, for my gen ipod. What should i check next to make it work? |
22:08:10 | linuxstb | Imaginal: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17507.0 |
22:08:19 | itcheg | linuxstb if your looking at them have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5737?histring=sudoku although it didn't compile for me |
22:09:26 | * | linuxstb wonders if bluebrother would want to update that patch and commit it... |
22:10:58 | Imaginal | linuxstb: much thanks. Will continue to read |
22:11:00 | * | pixelma still thinks the solution to sudoku controls on Ipod is an overall better keymap |
22:11:03 | itcheg | I tried to look at it but couldn't figure out why it wouldn't merge (not a coder) seems like it dies and trying to allocate so mem to save the extra info |
22:11:34 | linuxstb | pixelma: Any suggestions? |
22:11:34 | itcheg | pixelma I agree with you but this patch doesnt imho make it worse than it is currently |
22:13:55 | pixelma | I once tried to find one, amiconn too and there were two results (which might be the reason I forgot about it)... must be quite long ago, let's see if I can still find it |
22:14:11 | linuxstb | Isn't there an official ipod sudoku from Apple? Anyone have any idea how that works? |
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22:17:15 | pixelma | found it. My suggestion was to use the scrollwheel for up and down, prev and next for left and right, select to select and to not remove the "alt toggle" and "toggle back" I put them on button combos with select+prev and select+right |
22:18:01 | pixelma | note: I don't have a scrollwheel target and don't remember testing it |
22:19:22 | * | linuxstb reads a review of Apple's sudoku - http://podophile.com/2006/12/26/ipod-game-review-sudoku/ |
22:19:40 | * | bertrik is doing charge current measurements |
22:20:06 | linuxstb | Seems it has two scrollwheel modes - the same as Rockbox, and a "touch" mode where touching the wheel moves the cursor in that direction |
22:20:34 | * | petur gets some flyspray errors thrown in his face |
22:21:29 | advcomp2019 | is the rockbox site not working today? |
22:21:57 | pixelma | linuxstb: two scrollwheel modes in Rockbox? |
22:22:31 | linuxstb | No, I meant to say that "Apple mode #1 is the same as Rockbox" |
22:22:59 | linuxstb | i.e. the scrollwheel moves horizontally, wrapping onto the next/prev row |
22:23:08 | pixelma | that was too shortened ;) |
22:23:17 | num1 | advcomp2019: it works for me, but it's running very slow |
22:24:39 | linuxstb | Seems it has two scrollwheel modes: 1) the same as Rockbox, and 2) a "touch" mode where touching the wheel moves the cursor in that direction |
22:24:43 | * | linuxstb corrects himself |
22:24:53 | advcomp2019 | num1, yea, the first time i clicked it said page could not find, but now it is slowly coming up |
22:26:25 | num1 | Can someone else check the rockbox website and see if it's running slow for them? |
22:27:31 | PaulJam | num1: doesn't load here |
22:28:10 | linuxstb | Bagder: ping... (www.rockbox.org seems to be on vacation...) |
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22:28:57 | * | Bagder checks |
22:29:13 | BigBambi | num1: It works but is very slow here |
22:29:36 | advcomp2019 | yea it is slow here too |
22:29:39 | Bagder | load average: 119.06 ... |
22:29:45 | num1 | that's odd, I have pings at 200ms but the page isn't loading in my browser |
22:30:17 | BigBambi | I take that back, it is no longer loading :) |
22:30:43 | num1 | lol, I probably sent it over by asking you guys to check ;) |
22:31:09 | num1 | pushed* it over |
22:31:11 | BigBambi | but ping is only 80 ms |
22:35:10 | * | BigBambi just notices Bagder's last line :P |
22:35:27 | Bagder | yeah, load is now down to 22 |
22:35:46 | Bagder | seems to be responsive now |
22:37:50 | BigBambi | yep, back to speedy |
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22:38:03 | num1 | same here |
22:38:40 | Bagder | it bascially took me several minutes to "su" and by then it was fine again... |
22:38:57 | BigBambi | odd |
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22:41:58 | Rockets | hi |
22:42:25 | Rockets | is there a way to scroll the entrys that are displayed on the Linux bootloader? |
22:42:34 | BigBambi | That is off topic for here |
22:42:45 | Rockets | sorry |
22:42:54 | Rockets | but don't know where to ask else |
22:43:00 | BigBambi | Still not here |
22:43:05 | Rockets | I'm sure you guys know the answear |
22:43:13 | Llorean | No, we don't. |
22:43:14 | BigBambi | This is a channel for Rockbox support and development only |
22:43:21 | Rockets | but com on |
22:43:26 | BigBambi | Stop now |
22:43:29 | Llorean | It's not our software, and we don't provide support for it. |
22:43:33 | Rockets | you need the bootloader for rockbox |
22:43:35 | Llorean | No |
22:43:38 | Bagder | Rockets: read /topic |
22:43:38 | Llorean | We have our own bootloader. |
22:43:41 | BigBambi | The Rockbox bootloader, yes |
22:43:44 | Rockets | OK OK |
22:43:48 | Rockets | wait |
22:44:01 | Rockets | can i launch iNES games with the rockbox bootloader? |
22:44:08 | Llorean | No. |
22:44:08 | Bagder | I did an interesting count on the rockbox.org web logs |
22:44:16 | Rockets | couse thats what I wanna do |
22:44:18 | Bagder | the most busy second this week, we got 199 requests ;-) |
22:44:25 | itcheg | linuxstb not to nag, just curious how does this proceed? |
22:44:31 | agaffney | wow, my scrollback buffer just exploded |
22:44:36 | Llorean | Bagder: That's pretty impressive. |
22:44:55 | Bagder | yes I think so too |
22:44:58 | num1 | Bagder: I like the odds, that's cool |
22:45:04 | BigBambi | No there are places selling refurb Sansa's as RB ready :) |
22:45:16 | Bagder | but that was not during this "slow" period |
22:45:25 | Bagder | I suspected that, but it proved I was wrong |
22:45:27 | BigBambi | Damn impressive. How many hits per day (roughly)? |
22:45:59 | BigBambi | and s/no/now/ two lines up :) |
22:46:22 | Bagder | during July, 384K hits/day in average |
22:46:30 | BigBambi | Not bad at all :) |
22:46:40 | num1 | Bagder: that's pretty nice |
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22:47:16 | Bagder | this is www.rockbox.org alone |
22:48:12 | Imaginal | How do I get to the wps without a file to play? (theme testing?) |
22:48:22 | num1 | thats 4.5 per second, which means that busiest second was 4477% above average |
22:48:40 | Bagder | haha |
22:48:59 | BigBambi | Imaginal: easiest way is to use a sim and just copy a music file (or symlink) to it |
22:50:05 | Imaginal | BigBambi: the sim is crashing wine on playback, and I don't have the patience for wine troubleshooting :) |
22:50:15 | BigBambi | So why not use the linux sim? |
22:50:27 | BigBambi | Instead of using the win sim with wine? |
22:51:13 | BigBambi | I don't think it is available pre-compiled, but it isn't too hard to do and will probably pay off |
22:51:39 | BigBambi | Seeing as it is (AFAIK) the only way to view a WPS (except for on target obviously) |
22:51:45 | Imaginal | BigBambi: for sure, I just haven't found it yet |
22:51:54 | BigBambi | Well, you compile it |
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22:55:09 | Bagder | "Some people have had some problems with the ==dir== and ==daily== commands" |
22:55:13 | Bagder | daily? |
22:55:29 | Bagder | quote from "SimpleGuideToCompiling" |
22:56:40 | BigBambi | it confused me too, but I left it assuming it might be an alias in the VMWare image or something |
22:57:05 | Bagder | it probably is something like that, it's still confusing... |
22:57:20 | BigBambi | yep |
22:57:45 | BigBambi | I don't think commands ought to be hidden like that anyway |
22:57:50 | Llorean | Nah |
22:57:53 | Bagder | I agree |
22:57:57 | Llorean | it's not an alias in the vmware image as far as I know. |
22:58:01 | Llorean | At least, it didn't used to be. |
22:58:07 | Llorean | Is it maybe something from the old "DevKit" thingy? |
22:58:08 | BigBambi | Fair enough if *you* set one up to be quick, but in something like this it can only cause issues |
22:58:25 | Bagder | it sounds like something from the way way old devkit thing |
22:58:29 | BigBambi | Llorean: Could well be |
22:58:33 | Bagder | it was packed with such stuff |
22:58:47 | BigBambi | I vaguely remember that :) It confused me :) |
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23:02:16 | Imaginal | BigBambi: laziness won. Wine will crash at the wps screen, but just long enough to see if the theme is working ^_^ |
23:04:18 | BigBambi | heh |
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23:26:47 | xnyhps | Is it me or is something wrong with the formatting on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins ? |
23:28:44 | num1 | yeah, the %code{"cpp"}% tags aren't working |
23:29:02 | num1 | why in the world does HowToWritePlugins include a section writing a function? aren't we assuming people know how to code in c? |
23:29:37 | num1 | section about* writing |
23:33:27 | petur | it's a wiki.... |
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23:40:23 | linuxstb | shotofadds: I've just tried that patch - it seems to be doing things... |
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23:43:02 | shotofadds | linuxstb: any particular sort of things? |
23:43:43 | linuxstb | First line says "bank: 0 pseg: 0xNNN" (NNN counting up very fast) |
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23:44:08 | linuxstb | Then "ps:0x60 p:16 s:0", then "T:17(13) LS:0348" |
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23:44:34 | linuxstb | NNN stopped at 0x1FF0 |
23:45:56 | shotofadds | ok, there ox2000 blocks, so it's done the full search |
23:46:14 | shotofadds | *there are |
23:47:10 | shotofadds | ps:0x60 p:16 s:0 means your string was found at physical segment (block) 0x60, page 16, sector 0 |
23:47:41 | shotofadds | LS:0348 is logical segment (block) 0x348 - ie. where your string was in the UMS volume |
23:48:10 | linuxstb | How is the m200 formatted? Is there a partition table? |
23:48:14 | shotofadds | so.. I think we can surmise that raw reads work fine on the DAX |
23:48:23 | shotofadds | mine is FAT16 superfloppy |
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23:48:33 | * | linuxstb should enable FAT16 support... |
23:48:55 | * | shotofadds points linuxstb to the forum post which says to enable HAVE_FAT16SUPPORT :p |
23:49:25 | linuxstb | The Logik DAX forum thread? ;) |
23:49:51 | shotofadds | hmm, good piont |
23:50:24 | linuxstb | Seems to work ;) |
23:50:41 | linuxstb | I no longer get a mount error. |
23:50:43 | shotofadds | you probably won't be able to read any files though, I can't. |
23:51:03 | shotofadds | there seem to be way more translation errors than on the D2, I guess because of the smaller block size |
23:52:27 | shotofadds | btw. this evening wrote 512Mb of sequential sectors to the D2 UMS volume, and read them all back using the Rockbox driver without _any_ errors. I wonder if the same happens if my writes are a little more random? |
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23:53:08 | days_of_ruin | Dont shoot me for asking, but is rockbox on the sansa fuze? |
23:53:15 | linuxstb | no |
23:53:16 | num1 | days_of_ruin: no |
23:53:28 | scorche|sh | days_of_ruin: the list of what rockbox runs on is on the front page |
23:53:33 | days_of_ruin | expletive |
23:53:37 | num1 | days_of_ruin: I don't believe anybody's working on it either, sorry |
23:54:01 | * | shotofadds will test random writes tomorrow. I need to dash. |
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23:54:19 | linuxstb | shotofadds: Goodnight. Thanks for helping me catch up... |