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#rockbox log for 2008-07-23

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00:01:01linuxstbshotofadds: Reading a file works...
00:01:37linuxstbI guess that's just luck though.
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00:05:01num1linuxstb: what are you working on?
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00:07:56scorche|shnot ?
00:07:58*scorche|sh ducks
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00:14:39ipodcan i put a pic as my backround
00:14:57scorche|shsure....have you read the manual?
00:14:58num1ipod: define a custom theme
00:15:26ipodso how do i do it
00:15:35ipodor can someone gimme a link
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00:15:49scorche|shipod: i would suggest having a look at our fine manual
00:16:12ipodcan u link it to me
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00:18:25fmlHello. The manual says that, on H100, while in WPS, I can press PowerOn+Up/Down and get to the pitch screen. But this doesn't work for me. Can anybody confirm?
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00:18:29num1so I'm currently trying to port the libpng and zlib code to rockbox, the code is obviously going to be heavily modified, (using integer math, support for reading only no writing, no malloc) the licenses can be found here and I'm wondering if anybody can tell me what to include in the comment header of any files I write for the png plugin
00:18:51webguest10can someone plz walk me though on how to put custom bacround
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00:19:27safetydannum1: if you're writing a file from scratch, I'd say you should use the Rockbox header
00:19:40scorche|shwebguest10: you cnat find the manual from our webpage?
00:19:50PaulJamfml: you need to press the button combo quickly
00:19:54webguest10no i find it i just dont get it
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00:20:02scorche|shwebguest10: what dont you get?
00:20:02webguest10i got a ipod nano
00:20:08webguest10i just want to get a pic
00:20:13num1" 1. The origin of this software must not be misrepresented; you must not claim that you wrote the original software. If you use this software in a product, an acknowledgment in the product documentation would be appreciated but is not required. "
00:20:25webguest10i got to write a whole theme
00:20:28fermcglinuxstb: about porting sbagen to rockbox - the maintainer Jim mailed me saying he'll license sbagen as gpl 2 or later
00:20:33scorche|shwebguest10: no you the manual
00:20:42webguest10i tried could u tell me
00:20:48webguest10how to do it
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00:20:54num1webguest10: I'll be back in a few minutes, if you can wait I'll tell you how then
00:21:01linuxstbfermcg: That makes things simpler then.
00:21:06PaulJamsearch in the manual for "backdrop"
00:21:28PaulJam(that was for webguest10)
00:21:32fermcglinuxstb: really :) do you have something to point me (a document or code) to understand how a plugin works?
00:21:41webguest10k is it hard
00:22:00fmlPaulJam: do you mean ON and then quickly Up/Down?
00:22:21linuxstbfermcg: I think there's a page in the wiki - something like HowToWritePlugins Also look at the existing plugins in apps/plugins/ - especially helloworld.c to see how to get started
00:22:44PaulJamfml: yes, it doesn't work if you hold down ON for too long before pressing UP/DOWN.
00:22:44fmlPaulJam: ah, now I've got it! Thanks!
00:22:45fermcglinuxstb: ok I'm checking this right now
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00:23:43webguest10i found loading backdrops
00:24:03xnyhpsnum1: Have you seen there's an PNG_FIXED_POINT_SUPPORTED and PNG_FLOATING_POINT_SUPPORTED option in png.h? I *suspect* it can run exclusively in fixed point mode.
00:24:22MarcGuayshotofadds: Any point in me trying out the NAND reading if that other patch didn't read my IDs?
00:24:25webguest10i think i found it thanks man
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00:28:28num1webguest10: okay, I'm back, It's nice to know you could find how ;)
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00:29:20num1xnyhps: yeah, I saw that, I'm hoping you're right but there's a chance it's only for the optional chunks
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00:32:39xnyhpsI'm not sure, haven't looked at the rest of the code much..
00:34:12shotofaddsMarcGuay: if the ID reading didn't work there's not much point trying anything more complicated.
00:35:16MarcGuayshotofadds: Gotcha. I find it odd how that patch worked for the c140 but not the c150 - especially given that the init code came from the firmware version I'm running (I've double checked it myself as well).
00:35:42shotofaddsso they both run the same firmware version?
00:36:27MarcGuayNo. The c140 runs v1 and the c150 v2 - but lowlight's disassembly is of the v2.
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00:36:52shotofaddsIf you've opened your C150, can you tell if there's a tiny SanDisk-branded chip anywhere near the NAND chip (like the v3 HARP M200s have)?
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00:38:30MarcGuayshotofadds: I haven't opened it, but this is definitely inspiring me. :) Perhaps I'll try upgrading to the newer firmware and see if it takes first (that should confirm that the one which is being disassembled is in fact the one that works on my device).
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00:39:16linuxstbshotofadds: Have you tried a regular Rockbox build for the m200, or are you still playing with the bootloader?
00:39:23MarcGuayOr would that only mean that the code for this style is branched off somewhere else in the code?
00:40:23shotofaddslinuxstb: no, I haven't built the main binary. I haven't looked at what's missing yet.
00:40:51shotofaddsMarcGuay: it could mean anything ;-)
00:42:53shotofaddsMarcGuay: a Rockbox port for those HARP devices is potentially much easier, btw. it should just need an SD driver (talk to preglow) which will give you a read/write filesystem. The Telechips NAND driver I'm working on will only be read-only.
00:43:56shotofaddsRockbox definitely isn't built for read-only devices (having used it on the d2 for the last couple of months...(
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00:48:21num1I'm having trouble writing a plugin, I put the source in aps/plugins, I added an entry to SOURCES and CATEGORIES but when I build I can't fin the .rock
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00:48:57linuxstbWhere in SOURCES did you add it? Can you see it being compiled?
00:49:35num1no I can't see it being compiled
00:49:48num1it's listed right between jpeg.c and mendelbrot.c
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00:50:27num1both of which are properly compiled
00:52:32linuxstbCan you upload your SOURCES file somewhere?
00:52:53num1nevermind, I foudn the problem
00:53:03num1eclipse was just screwing around with me
00:53:04ImaginalI'm trying to get one of the themes from the wiki working. What should I change %pb|7|51|160| to make the theme load?
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00:57:58PaulJamImaginal: what peas tell the line starting with %P too
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01:01:18ImaginalPaulJam: There isn't one.
01:02:30PaulJamImaginal: ok, then try: %pb|-|-|51|110|7|
01:04:09PaulJamImaginal: maybe this will work better: %pb|-|51|-|110|7|
01:05:23ImaginalWhy 110 and not 160?
01:06:52PaulJamthe old syntax for the %pb tag was: %pb|height|leftpos|rightpos|toppos|
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01:07:28PaulJamso the new width is 1+rightpos-leftpos
01:08:16num1the new one is %pb|image.bmp|leftpos|toppos|width|height| if I remember correctly
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01:19:38num1what just happened?
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01:21:28scorche|shnum1: netsplit...
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01:31:35num1what's the format of viewers.config?
01:31:51num1eg. what's the integer after each entry indicate?
01:32:15JdGordonthe icon number
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01:46:56alleleare plugins only able to display one bitmap each cycle?
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01:55:47webguest10guys i sitll havent got iy
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01:57:59webguest10i havent got it
01:58:03webguest10i dont get it
01:58:21webguest10wtf am i doing wrong i go to the context menu and i dont see set as backdrop
01:58:43PaulJamis it a .bmp (Bitmap)?
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02:41:39webguest10srry about that
02:41:48webguest10i was fixing my gf mp3
02:43:40webguest10anyone there
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02:46:32webguest10hey can anyone help me where am i supposed toput the bmp
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02:49:43safetydanwebguest10: did you read the manual? it tells you where to put it
02:50:19zeya know if somebody doesn't find where to put in the manual and comes in here asking
02:50:27zemaybe you should tell them an alternate location where to put it
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02:57:39webguest10yea i found it
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02:58:01webguest10what other things can i do wit rockbox
02:58:19webguest10how do i just make it my pic and nothing to show
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03:01:18alleleokay, my program seems to be working until I get this: "Data abort at 40006170 (0)" does this mean its trying to access a location outside an array?
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03:06:59cool_walking_ has a broken link. It seems the "latest" source archive should point to instead of
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03:13:59MarcGuayshotofadds: Looks like there are some hardware differences between the c140 and c150. Posted a photo here: The rest seems hard to get at without destroying the player.
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03:35:50MarcGuayAre there any scans of the m200 HARP versions that I can compare to
03:36:02allelethe exact error message I got was "Data abort at 40006170 (0)" does this make any sense to anyone?
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03:39:24ryranthis is kinda random (and not a BIG deal), but are there any sansa users here that know of a way to disable the OF from doing it's "Refreshing Database" thing after changing files around over usb?
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03:44:58MarcGuayryran: Check the SansaFAQ.
03:48:40MarcGuayOkay, I got brave and cracker her open (didn't realize the NAND had a connector to the board, I thought it was soldered on and was starting to wonder how they manufactured it without using magic). The NAND is Sandisk brand and there is indeed a smaller Sandisk chip on the backside of it. Adding pics to the wiki page...
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03:51:38ryranSWEET thanks MarcGuay! I looked at that page earlier on in my sansa lifetime but I guess it wasn't bothering me much back then. :)
03:52:00MarcGuayryran: Or maybe the info wasn't there yet..? :)
03:52:17ryrannah.. just a couple weeks ago
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03:54:51soaphow did you get it open, MarcGuay?
03:55:03cool_walking_allele: in my experience, that means you've found a bug.
03:55:04MarcGuayScrewdriver + anger.
03:55:42MarcGuaysoap: Looks like it, I'm almost done the scans so I'll let you know in a bit.
03:55:54MarcGuayc140 or c150?
03:55:57soaplast question - I assume a flat-blade?
03:56:13cool_walking_allele: Make sure you're running the current build.
03:56:42MarcGuaysoap: Did you try the TCC77X patch to read the NAND ids?
03:57:02soapno, after my first attempt at opening it, I can no longer power it on.
03:57:13MarcGuayIf that returns values I think you can safely say what type it is without opening. Oh...
03:57:14alleleits fairly recent, maybe a month old, is indexing an out of bound array a possibility?
03:57:14soap(and the case is still on there)
03:57:45MarcGuaysoap: Have you tried connecting in usb bootloader mode?
03:58:03soapno power.
03:58:42MarcGuayUSB or battery... Shitty... I'll let you know how the re-assembly goes, but it seems you don't have much to lose... :)
03:59:24soapI don't have much to lose, but I lost my drive when I (appeared to have) broke it.
03:59:26cool_walking_allele: Nevermind me, I thought you were a user having a problem.
04:00:47allelenah, just a user trying to make a plugin :-)
04:01:26alleleit compiles and runs alright, results as expected, but then I get that when I move around
04:04:48MarcGuayWow I'm glad I'm not a poverty stricken 12 year old with small hands working in a Sandisk sweatshop...
04:05:24allele.reminesces about his youth
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04:12:59alleleoh, quick sansa question, does the original firmware function with a larger capacity microsd than it is able to handle in the player (as in it just ignores the card)?
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04:16:34MarcGuaysoap: got it back togehter and it's working. looks like it got bitten a few times, though.
04:17:28MarcGuaythe NAND is a bit of a pain to re-connect (make sure it's clicked in tightly before you start closing it back up).
04:19:08soapI'll attempt again when I get back in town. Thanks.
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04:19:32MarcGuayoh, and tarsius' instructions in the forum thread were helpful for the first part.
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04:20:15MarcGuaya bit of this as well:
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04:24:28MarcGuayI guess the c150 has two 1GB chips treated as one 2GB capacity by using a third chip (bridge?)
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04:26:38MarcGuayI wonder why they didn't just use the 2GB version of the Samsung they stuck in the c140.
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04:32:42andrewbeveridgeI can't *any* theme other than the default cabbie to display text centered, or in any position even vaguely like what it is supposed to look like, on my iPod nano with the latest official build. Any ideas what I could be doing wrong?
04:33:18MarcGuayAre you making your own theme or using ones from the WPS gallery?
04:33:23andrewbeveridgeWPS gallery
04:33:28andrewbeveridgeall of them display fine
04:33:29MarcGuayAnd what about the other included themes?
04:33:32andrewbeveridgeother than the play screen
04:33:47andrewbeveridgeon the now playing screen, the text is all to the left
04:33:52andrewbeveridgeeven most of the included ones
04:34:01andrewbeveridgethough, ah i cant remember the name now
04:34:09andrewbeveridgeone of them other than cabbie works
04:34:12andrewbeveridgelemme see
04:34:33andrewbeveridgeoh yeah, rockboxed
04:35:45andrewbeveridgeoh, and iCatcher. ah. um so what might I be doing wrong which causes the themes from the WPS gallery to work incorrectly?
04:35:48MarcGuayTry Plain & Simple. Do you know that there were changes to the WPS syntax recently that screwed up most of the themes in the wiki? And is the text not being centered the only problem?
04:36:06andrewbeveridgei see
04:36:08andrewbeveridgehold on
04:36:12MarcGuay... Or do they all look like "rockbox_default"?
04:36:45andrewbeveridgeyeah, they all look exactly like rockbox_default on the play screen
04:36:53andrewbeveridge(but all other screens are perfect)
04:39:22MarcGuayYour choices are 1) Find themes that work and use those. 2) Fix the themes by following the CustomWPS page and searching the forums (you aren't the first person to run into this). or 3) Find the author of the theme you want fixed and ask them if they plan on updating it.
04:39:27andrewbeveridgeplain & simple works great
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04:39:40andrewbeveridgeah ok
04:39:54MarcGuayandrewbeveridge: That's because it doesn't have a progress bar and doesn't use the right margin tags (the 2 things which changed).
04:40:07MarcGuayThe newer ones towards the bottom of the page should work as well.
04:40:11andrewbeveridgeout of interest, have you got any idea why the developers (you included perhaps, I don't know ;) changed the WPS syntax?
04:40:34andrewbeveridgeis any new functionality added?
04:40:36safetydanandrewbeveridge: support for view ports IIRC
04:40:41andrewbeveridgeah ok
04:41:08andrewbeveridgejust, a lot of the older themes (which are some of the best, still) are not actively maintained by anybody
04:41:16andrewbeveridgeI'm happy to have a crack at development
04:41:50safetydanwatch out for licensing issues. a lot of themes have been made available with no clear license for modification
04:41:54andrewbeveridgeso I'm sure I'll solve my own problem :) but I mean, could you perhaps tell me which build the syntax (mainly) changed, if that makes sense?
04:42:16safetydanI think it's documented on the MajorChanges page
04:42:20andrewbeveridgethanks :)
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04:45:49ffmWhat languaages do I have to know to be able to contribute?
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04:47:51scorcheffm: rockbox is mostly in C
04:47:54scorcheand hi ;)
04:48:22ffmscorche: heya. didn't want to ask in #olpc-*, cause that'd be offtopic, and we can't have that1
04:48:30ffmscorche: no python :)
04:48:32andrewbeveridgeMarcGuay,safetydan: thanks, I've grabbed the build just before the 'major' WPS changes, as far as I'm concerned I'm happy to backtrack a bit until I've got time to develop my own theme. Is there, by any chance a certain part of the rockbox build I should overwrite? or, just the entire folder?
04:48:47ffmscorche: what other languages?
04:48:59scorchevarious ASM
04:49:45MarcGuayandrewbeveridge: Extract it to the root and overwrite.
04:49:50scorcheusually on the very performance intensive parts and certain other i said, for the most part, rockbox is in C
04:50:13*ffm takes out his programming books.
04:50:27ffmscorche: if I learn c++, would that transfer well to c?
04:50:36ffmscorche: ( I know, c++ is a superset of C)
04:50:39andrewbeveridgeMarcGuay: ok, i guess trying to merge the older build with the current wouldnt be too sensible.
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04:50:53scorchewell, it has similar parts, but...
04:52:56scorcheffm: there is the classic K&R, but one learns a lot by jumping into the code (depending on one's learning style)...but this is more #rockbox-community chat (our off-topic/social channel)
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04:58:27alleleafter more toying it seems that I get a data abort at random intervals, would it be because one of my arrays are about 800x3?
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05:07:16webguest01so what other cool stuff can rockbox do
05:07:41scorchewebguest01: see the WhyRockbox wiki page and the manual
05:08:02webguest01can u just tell me
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05:08:11webguest01one of the cool thing
05:08:27scorchethere is lots of stuff...just look at those would be much easier ;)
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05:17:09MarcGuayAnyone know how to uninstall the tcctool drivers and revert to the TCC77X USB recognition in Windows?
05:17:23MarcGuayI've done it before but can't seem to recall how..
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05:23:47MarcGuayGot it.
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05:55:11advcomp2019SuperHumanly, hello
05:55:23SuperHumanlywhat's up?
05:56:21advcomp2019not much.. you have a question??
05:56:33SuperHumanlynot really.
05:56:43SuperHumanlyjust bought a sansa e250 today and realized it's v2
05:57:14SuperHumanlyspent a good amount of time searchin the net for a way to make rockbox work on it, got tired and came here :P
05:57:31scorchethere isnt one
05:57:57SuperHumanlyi know that now lol
05:58:13SuperHumanlyhopefully soon there is...oh well. its alright for now
05:58:28num1SuperHumanly: But quite a few people would fall in love with you if you helped port them
05:58:41SuperHumanlyhow would I go about doing that?
05:59:37SuperHumanlycuz i would definately help out
06:00:57scorchedo you know C? hardware reverse engineering?
06:01:05SuperHumanlynope and nope
06:01:11num1 and should tell you how much progress is bring made, contact the people listed on those pages and they'll be sure to tell you how you can be of help
06:02:02SuperHumanlythey actively work on getting it working on v2s right
06:02:21num1I have no clue
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06:06:58CrazyDhey guys..
06:07:09CrazyDwhat about the Zen Vision M?
06:07:30CrazyDi see how it is to be done... with the port's progress so far
06:07:37CrazyDdoesn't seem too complicated...
06:07:48CrazyDanyone here do it yet?
06:08:07scorcheif it doesnt seem too complicated, then why dont you do it yourself?
06:08:09SuperHumanlynot me.. :P
06:08:16CrazyDand are there any games that can be run on it yet? there is preliminary button support
06:08:51CrazyDit may be complicated getting it back to the original state
06:08:53CrazyDi assume
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06:21:25num1hey I'm having a build error in a plugin, "undefined reference to memcpy" but I'm not using memcpy anywhere in the offending function. The closest is rb->memcmp (where rb is a pointer to the pluginapi struct)
06:21:31num1anyone have any ideas?
06:23:43num1correction, it's not a build error, it's a linker error
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06:35:45num1okay, I'd narrowed it down, it's definitely a problem with the rb->memcmp call
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07:03:09num1isn't that a mystery, the problem suddenly went away, even with an identical source file
07:08:11safetydannum1: you may need to use the MEM_WRAPPERS macro from plugin.h
07:08:26safetydangcc has a habit of secretly using memcpy when you do array initialisers
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07:16:52num1safetydan: thanks for removing the black magic attitude I'd gotten, that makes sense
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07:34:49copyrighthello, everyone! i have some problem with my ipod. will you help me?
07:35:00Dhraakelliandon't ask to ask; just ask
07:36:11*Dhraakellian can't guarantee that he'll be of any real assistance though
07:36:42num1copyright: what's your problem?
07:38:02copyrightthe main problem is that my computer (OS is windows Xp sp2) see ipod, itunes see too, but i can not write on it... dialogbox "can't find disk"(or somethink like that) appears...
07:38:25num1does your ipod have rockbox on it?
07:39:11copyrightno...i want to know: will rockbox solve this problem?
07:40:05Dhraakellianand anyway, wouldn't installing rockbox require that USB storage mode works already?
07:40:08num1sorry if I sound insulting, but if you can't write to your ipod how do you suggest installing rockbox on it?
07:40:46copyrightso what root of this problem can be? is it "apple device support"-driver?
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07:44:10Dhraakellianwith my sansa, I'd double-check to make sure it's in UMS mode instead of MTP mode, but I don't know how such things work with iPods
07:44:13copyrightit's 4-th gen ipod 20Gb... i bought it without a disk...
07:46:07cool_walking_iPods only use UMS.
07:47:33Dhraakellianah. okay
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07:47:56DhraakellianI seem to remember reading something about a setting for putting them in mass storage mode
07:48:43DhraakellianI could easily be misremembering
07:48:53cool_walking_There *is* a setting in iTunes something like that... I don't know what it does exactly.
07:48:56num1cool_walking_: I almost specifically remember that MTP was invented by apple for the ipods... but I don't own one so I have no credibility
07:49:27cool_walking_Microsoft created MTP
07:49:45scorchenum1: ipods have never used MTP
07:52:18cool_walking_Here: . I've never turned "Enable Disk Use" off so I'm not sure what it does.
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07:54:59AcheronI have managed to completely fuck my OS up on my gigabeat F40 and I can't find a download for the original firmware. can anyone help out?
07:55:30markunDo you still want to use the original firmware or just rockbox?
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08:05:44Acheron_could someone tell me where I can get the V2 firmware for a gigabeat f40?
08:06:07Acheron_or if anyone has one could they please .rar their system files and send them to me? I'm desperate, I sold mine and formatted it, now i cant get it to work again
08:07:34cool_walking_markun asked you a question ...
08:07:39markunAcheron_: do you want to install rockbox again or go back to the original firmware?
08:07:53Acheron_i want to install rockbox again
08:08:12markunok, then we have a dummy firmware for you somewhere
08:08:14markunhold on
08:08:24Acheron_oh thatd be nice
08:08:36Acheron_all i get is the no system found on hdd, i been looking for a solution for 3 hours now
08:08:54markuncan you make a USB connection?
08:09:05Acheron_yes, i have access to the hdd
08:09:12markunExtract the rar here under "improved boot time"
08:09:19markunand also copy the FMIMG01.DAT file
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08:10:41Acheron_into the root or the gbsystem dir?
08:10:52Acheron_FMIMG01.DAT i mean
08:13:35Acheron_oh man you're a legend
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08:14:07Acheron_thank you very much
08:14:12markundid it work?
08:14:19Acheron_we're up and running
08:14:24Acheron_again, thank you man!
08:14:45markunWe should put this in the wiki instead of just talking about improved boot time :)
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08:22:23GodEaterWe should put a "Don't format your Gigabeat" notice in big letters somewhere too
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08:23:25*GodEater nominates Llorean to go on a hunt through other forums and flame everyone who posts "format your device" as advice anywhere
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08:45:36num1so I noticed zlib requires exactly 64K, are there any targets that don't have or can't spare that much ram?
08:46:02num1(this is for a plugin)
08:47:39scorcheGodEater: he already does...
08:47:41GodEaterexactly 64K on all architectures ? Are you sure...
08:47:43scorchepoor soul
08:47:44GodEaterscorche: I know ;)
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08:49:15num1GodEater: well, I haven't looked too hard at the zLib code, but the docs say it uses a minimum of 64K
08:49:28GodEaterso not "exactly" then :)
08:49:36amiconnnum1: Depends on what the plugin should do. There are targets which cannot spend that much without stopping music playback
08:49:39num1lol, no not exactly
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08:50:04GodEaternum1: most of the targets could manage it, as amiconn says, but the hwcodec ones might struggle.
08:50:22num1amiconn: I'm writing a png viewer
08:50:59amiconnAh, so stopping playback should be ok. The jpeg viewer also does this
08:51:00num1this is probably a question for once I'm done coding, but I wanted to know the targets that couldn't handle it so I could add #ifdef s and exclude them
08:51:17*amiconn would like an unzip plugin, btw
08:52:08amiconnThen one could upgrade the build on-target e.g. on Ondio or Sansa (unzipping a build from MMC or microSD, respectively)
08:52:29num1amiconn: that *would* be helpful...
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10:11:30DJF5I'm new to rockbox and i've had iPL on my ipod before... after installing rockbox and the bootloader it just boots rockbox
10:11:40DJF5the iPL seems to be offline everywhere
10:11:45DJF5where can i get it?
10:11:51GodEaterget what ?
10:11:55DJF5the ipod bootloader
10:12:02DJF5so i can switch between original os and rockbox
10:12:07GodEaterno idea, ask in #ipodlinux
10:12:49amiconnDJF5: You installed the rockbox bootlaoder?
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10:13:11DJF5well, yes... it just boots rockbox
10:13:19DJF5i used to run ipod linux on it (a year ago?)
10:13:27amiconnThe rockbox bootloader can triple boot
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10:13:33DJF5now i installed rockbox and want to install the latest iPL
10:13:39amiconnThat should be documented in the manual
10:13:45DJF5how can i switch then?
10:14:00GodEaterhold play whilst booting
10:14:10GodEaterbut you can't pass kernel arguments with the Rockbox bootloader
10:14:16amiconnFor booting ipl, the rockbox bootloader needs the ipl kernel as a file on the fat32 partition though
10:14:36GodEaterthat too
10:14:43amiconnYou can probably copy it from the etx2 partition using a linux box
10:14:55DJF5that shouldn't be a problem... I run debian in VM
10:15:09markunDJF5: the iPL boorloader also has support for booting rockbox, but we don't give support for the iPL bootloader :)
10:15:23DJF5okay, i get that
10:15:36DJF5but if i reboot and press play, it normally should run Discmode right
10:15:56cool_walking_No, that's play AND select
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10:16:30DJF5oh right
10:16:35DJF5lemme test :D
10:18:02DJF5i can se the bootloader
10:18:08DJF5Can't load linux.bin
10:18:23DJF5so linux.bin should be the kernel for the AppleOS?
10:18:31linuxstbNo, the linux kernel...
10:18:34GodEaterlinux.bin is the kernel for iPL
10:18:50DJF5but iPL is offline everywhere :P:X
10:19:01GodEaterbut you said you already had it on your ipod
10:19:05DJF5uhm, yes
10:19:12DJF5but it was overwritten by rockbox loader
10:19:19GodEaterno, the bootloader was overwritten
10:19:23DJF5and i had a very old version
10:19:24GodEateriPL itself is still there
10:19:45GodEaterunless you changed the partitions on your ipod before you did the rockbox install
10:19:47linuxstbA very old IPL install (i.e. using loader1) would have installed the kernel in the firmware partition.
10:20:18DJF5ive found out that iPL is now at... v2.5?
10:20:28GodEateroh well in that case I think you're out of luck
10:20:33DJF5but the site\svn\mirrors are down :S
10:20:41DJF5nobody got an installationfile for me? :o
10:22:31GodEaterDerPapst and DataGhost are the only people in this channel that I know of that run iPL
10:22:31GodEaterDerPapst isn't online, and DataGhost has been idle for about 6 months :)
10:22:31GodEaterDJF5: I still recommend you ask the rest of your questions in #ipodlinux, rather than here
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10:23:30num1is that possible? It seems like some kind of sin to be away that long...
10:24:29DJF5Thank you, i just did :) thnx for the support so far, every piece of information counts :)
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10:28:15markunDJF5: I'm still able to download the source from svn here:
10:29:03DJF5omg, i've searched every page google returned :x
10:29:17DJF5thnx, ill co latest svn :D
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11:24:09num1how much ram does the target with the least amount of ram have for plugins?
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11:25:57ReKleSSa H300.hex file is meant to be flashed by the original firmware, right?
11:27:08BigBambiIn what context?
11:27:38ReKleSSit's from the wiki, on the CFModGuide page
11:27:48BigBambiIf you are doing the bootloader install, and you have downloaded the OF from iriver, and then patched it, then yes
11:27:59BigBambior that :)
11:28:09peturBigBambi: that hex file is already patched
11:28:25ReKleSSok, cool
11:28:32ReKleSSjust checking, that's how I killed my H120...
11:28:34linuxstbnum1: 32KB. If a plugin needs more than that, it can stop audio playback and take over the large audio buffer (about 1.3MB on those targets - they have 2MB in total)
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11:28:40BigBambipetur: sure, when typing the answer I assumed he was doing the standaerd install
11:28:54num1linuxstb: thanks
11:29:03BigBambiOn another note, does that mean we are redistributing the iriver firmware?
11:29:43peturBigBambi: yup :/ I can host it on my privater account if that's better
11:29:54BigBambiI would have thought so
11:30:11BigBambiIt doesn't seem a brilliant idea for 'Rockbox' to be doing it
11:31:00ReKleSShrm... original firmware refuses to boot
11:31:04ReKleSSit just turns off immediately
11:31:16BigBambiare you holding the button long enough?
11:31:27BigBambiThe H300 requires a good long hold IIRC
11:31:35BigBambiIt surprised me the first time
11:31:54ReKleSSahhh, that's it
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11:39:31ReKleSSyay, it works
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11:46:24DerPapsthello all :-)
11:49:07GodEatergood morning ;)
11:59:49DJF5is there any way to load the AppleOS by running an .ipod file? I've found out you can load firmware with that extension?
12:00:14DJF5so i can use Rockbox for default, then load the AppleOS if i want, and reboot to get back into Rockbox
12:02:11linuxstbIn theory, but it doesn't work.
12:02:51linuxstbBut the bootloader lets you choose the Apple OS...
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12:18:20skythersomebody try lg fm37?
12:18:39skyther(sory bad english)
12:19:13*GodEater doesn't understand the question
12:20:14mrfreehi all today I tryed to compile rbutil using gcc-4.3 and it doesn't work is there any known issue about that?
12:21:13GodEatermrfree: none that I'm aware of - what errors did you get ?
12:22:33mrfreeafter a better reading I found this "gcc: x86: No such file or directory"
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12:24:11GodEatermrfree: you're probably best off pastebining the whole output so we can look at it all
12:26:21skythersomebody port rockbox on lg fm37?
12:27:15GodEatermrfree: ah - sadly you've picked the only pastebin I have no access to from work - could you do it again at please ? :)
12:27:30linuxstbmrfree: That seems to be a problem with rbspeex - are you compiling on Mac OS X?
12:27:44mrfreelinuxstb, no under linux
12:28:06GodEateror just let linuxstb sort it out ;)
12:28:08linuxstbYou probably want to wait until bluebrother is around - I think he modified the makefile recently for the rbspeex part of rbutil, so he may well have broken things.
12:28:26DerPapstskyther: check the new ports subforum. if there isn't any information there probably nobody is porting rockbox to this device currently
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12:58:14etkohello may i ask does rockbox run on Sansa E260?
13:01:47GodEateretko: provided it's a version 1 then yes
13:02:15etkoGodEater how can check whether its 1 or 2?
13:02:45GodEaterby looking at the version of firmware it's running currently
13:02:59GodEaterif the firmware reports as version 1.x.xxxx something, then it's a version 1
13:03:10GodEaterif it reports as version 3.x.xxxx then it's a version 2
13:04:29etkothx GodEater you helped me very much
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15:08:03xqtftqxDoes anybody know where keybox stores the master password? i noticed it stays when you delete keybox.dat
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19:06:44xqtftqxHey everybody
19:07:51xqtftqxIs anybody intrested in making a xbox 360 support in rockbox?
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19:09:03agaffneyapparently he's not
19:09:16LambdaCalculus37What's the point of Xbox 360 support, anyway?
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19:10:58linuxstbWhat does that mean anyway? MTP support?
19:11:39LambdaCalculus37I guess so.
19:11:55LambdaCalculus37But we need to actually have MTP support first, right? ;)
19:12:29GodEater_not necessarily MTP support
19:12:36GodEater_360's work with ipods too
19:12:52*LambdaCalculus37 doesn't have a 360 to begin with
19:13:29GodEater_they don't work with RB'd ipods though, so someone's added the ipod database support into the 360 OS
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19:15:32*LambdaCalculus37 will take the 360 talk over to the other channel
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19:39:05yeahx360 ipod support is pretty nifty
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19:40:01LambdaCalculus37yeahx: You're more than welcome to work on it, then. ;)
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19:44:31yeahxoh no I mean regular, not rockbox
19:44:43yeahxI dont get what you would do with rockbox and 360
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19:45:22GodEater_well what do you do with a regular ipod and a 360 ?
19:45:27yeahxbtw I got an LOD for my ipod the other day yaaay!
19:45:42GodEater_LOD ?
19:45:43scorche|shyeahx: this isnt really a social channel...
19:45:48yeahxplay music from the ipod and have trippty screen saver
19:45:55yeahxyah I know, just wanted to say :)
19:46:15scorche|shif you know about the rule, then why did you break it?
19:46:28yeahxhaha its a rule? how lame
19:46:34yeahxno sorry I didnt know
19:46:45scorche| just said "i know"
19:47:13yeahxI knew it wasnt social, but I didnt know it was because its a rule
19:47:46*yeahx shuts up
19:47:53*LambdaCalculus37 thinks that's a wise idea
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19:47:54scorche|shthere is a link that is messaged to you upon entry of this channel and that is also in the topic that lists the guidelines/rules for this channel...if you havent read it, please do
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19:49:02yeahxno rockbox for current ipods anyway
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19:49:24GodEater_what's that got to do with anything ?
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21:14:38*domonoky made a first attempt for a ASAP port to rockbox (FS #9210). Its a asap2wav plugin for the first try, it works on Sim, but fails (runs, but produces garbled sound) on Target (i suspect endianess problems). If "someone" wants to help out.. feel free :-)
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21:20:35amiconndomonoky: m:robe 100 is little endian, so it can't be an endian problem
21:21:05domonokyuh really ?
21:21:18amiconnarm is LE, coldfire and SH1 are BE
21:21:38amiconnThat is, arm can be either, but all the current arm targets use it LE
21:21:52domonokyarm is bi-endian, but we choose LE ?
21:22:06amiconnThe target manufacturers chose LE
21:22:20domonokyah, thanks for the info :-)
21:22:58amiconn*iirc* the newer ones can be switched on the fly, but arm7tdmi (i.e. portalplayer) can only be switched via a config pin
21:23:21domonokygood to know, so it must be some other problems..
21:23:46amiconnarm seems to be more commonly used in LE mode than BE mode
21:30:06num1obo: Thanks for the link, that should help a lot
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21:42:53peturis there anybody here that knows about the recording trigger functionality? That horizontal scrollbar in particular...
21:44:10pixelma is the best explanation I know of
21:44:19*petur plans to dump that whole scrollbar and state icon stuff and just keep the level indicators
21:45:06peturpixelma: thanks, didn't know it had a wiki page too - had just read the manual
21:45:20pixelmathe pictures in the end shows the different states and meanings
21:45:37peturanyway, the code is broken in current SVN - the scrollbar isn shown on my h300
21:45:56pixelmaI believe the bar is quite important for one that uses it...
21:46:16peturthen I'll have to find some room for it
21:46:27peturand fix that code too
21:46:45*petur reads up a bit on the subject
21:47:38pixelmadidn't use it myself yet
21:54:31pixelmathe trigger bar also vanished from the Archos/Iriver remote screens I guess since now the "Filename:" line is there. I guess this happened with JdGordon's "fix" of the c200's recording screen where that line disappeared after the trigger screen viewportification...
21:55:32peturto be honest, the trigger display calculations are *very* ugly
21:55:37pixelmajust noticed last weekend
21:56:13peturfor example, it checks the height of the LCD to determine the width of the trigger bar
21:56:51bertrikamiconn, do you know if it is safe to assume that a disk-based device still has enough battery power to spin up the disk (and save the playlist or a battery bench file) when it gets shut down by rockbox because the voltage gets too low?
21:56:52pixelmathings like that again? ...
21:57:47peturbah, need to recalc a lot of stuff when coming out of settings....
21:59:51pixelmapetur: "calculating" the width from the height of the LCD works nicely for e.g. the small H10...
22:00:32pixelmaer the E200/H300
22:00:41pixelma*or too
22:00:46peturI'm just going to rewrite that whole thing while I'm at it
22:01:00linuxstbdomonoky: I've also ported asap2wav to Rockbox, but haven't tested it on target yet. One issue I saw was the use of "char", when it probably needs to be "signed char"
22:01:45domonokylinuxstb: could you post you port also to the tracker ? then i could try it :-)
22:02:01linuxstbIt was a very quick job, but sure.
22:02:58domonokymine is also a very quickone.. but i stoppted because of the problem :-)
22:06:51num1what are the endian-ness of the targets? within a byte are the bits big-endian on all targets?
22:07:10GodEater_num1: they vary
22:07:40GodEater_amiconn can probably remember them all off the top of his head :)
22:07:42num1GodEater_: is there some kind of list floating around?
22:07:57GodEater_probably in the wiki somewhere, but I've no idea where
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22:09:18linuxstbnum1: bits are always the same order. The difference is how bytes are ordered in memory for multi-byte values (shorts, ints, pointers etc).
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22:10:53linuxstbnum1: Ignoring the just-started MIPS port(s), Rockbox runs on ARM (little-endian) and SH/Coldfire (big-endian). The Rockbox UI sim can run on PCs of either endianness.
22:11:18num1linuxstb: Thanks, that helps a lot
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22:13:40bertrikI thought there were m68k targets too
22:14:40linuxstbThat's Coldfire
22:15:30Bagderthe new mips ones are little-endian and there's newly started big-endian ARM ones
22:16:02domonokylinuxstb: yours works fine on target.. :-) so i must have done something wrong :-)
22:16:09num1that gets confusing fast, but all the official ones are as linuxstb said?
22:16:23Bagdernum1: yes
22:16:26linuxstbdomonoky: I'm guessing it's the delta_buffer definition that I changed from char to signed char.
22:17:08linuxstbnum1: You shouldn't care - there's a #define to state the endianness, plus a helpful set of macros (in system.h IIRC)
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22:17:32linuxstbROCKBOX_BIG_ENDIAN and ROCKBOX_LITTLE_ENDIAN (one of them will be defined)
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22:23:36linuxstbdomonoky: What was the speed like? (and what target did you test on?)
22:25:26domonokyi tested it on m:robe100.. it took about 6 seconds to generate a 26seconds wav (no exact measurement) which seems fine.. :-)
22:25:59amiconnbertrik: When rockbox shuts down due to low battery, it blocks disk writing for safety reasons. Some targets (non-LiIon/LiPo) also don't have low bat shutdown, they run until the hardware shuts down
22:27:43linuxstbdomonoky: Not too bad, considering it's writing data one sample at a time...
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22:31:57domonokyso i will try to make a codec out of it in the next days (if time allows) shouldnt be too hard..:-)
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22:56:24bertrikamiconn, thanks for the answer, though I was hoping that it was still possible to save something. I'll have a closer look at the code how this works.
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23:35:43MarcGuayDoesn't RButil download the current build? Is just a misunderstanding?
23:37:50MarcGuaypreglow: Have you committed any of the SD code or is it still a local WIP?
23:37:54PaulJami think this is about RbUtility itself and not the build it downloads.
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23:38:38MarcGuayPaulJam: But still.. Oh wait, I get it..
23:43:37shotofaddsMarcGuay: the SD stuff is still very much work in progress.. (btw. I think preglow said he was away this week)
23:44:24MarcGuayshotofadds: Alright, thanks. Doing a diff of the v1/v2 firmwares now, maybe something will turn up...
23:45:03MarcGuayThough it seems as though the regular NAND interface code is in the v2 as that's where lowlight found the init he used... Hrrmmm
23:45:24shotofaddsmaybe v2 works on both types of player?
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23:45:56MarcGuayAh yes, I've tried to downgrade but I'm not sure anyone's tried to upgrade...
23:46:38shotofaddswhat's the firmware upgrade process on those - can you just drop a player.rom into the root?
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23:47:15MarcGuayshotofadds: Yep.
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23:49:38shotofaddsMarcGuay: you could just try uploading a v2 player.rom to the v1 player using tcctool
23:49:53shotofaddsI wouldn't bother trying to flash it
23:51:52shotofaddsalthough if anything went wrong, you could probably still boot v1 via tcctool and use that to flash the v1 player.rom again
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23:54:01MarcGuayI've got a v2 player...
23:55:50shotofaddsah, I had it in my head that you had both c140 and c150
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