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#rockbox log for 2008-07-25

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01:14:46Dhraakellianyippee! battery bench actually gave me some output!
01:15:07*Dhraakellian plugs the e200 in to charge up to full now
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01:26:30krazykit`dogdayafternoon, if you have a question, just ask.
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01:36:11J-_How has the ZVM 30gb firmware been going?
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01:36:52krazykit`J-_, read the thread on the relevant forum thread
01:37:05krazykit`er, read the relevant forum thread in the New Ports forum
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01:44:40J-_Nice, looks like something was installing rockbox onto the player, but, I could be wrong.
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02:20:46LloreanJdGordon: I was slightly unclear. I meant he should resume playback rather than re-clicking on the playlist (which is what I consider re-starting it, different from resuming)
02:21:04JdGordonah, then ok
02:21:58LloreanBut yeah, my sentence was unclear
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04:02:34KeripoWell, in the end, even finding an 8GB Sansa e200 V1 on eBay is pretty hard, so I suppose I'll give that up
04:02:50MarcGuayAnyone who cares : Interesting, I can find an entire set of routines pointing to the SD Controller (0x90000100) in the Sansa c100 v2 firmware but none in the v1. Now to understand them and reverse them is another thing...
04:03:57KeripoI'm seriously looking for a new, hackable MP3 player to replace my current 2GB iPod nano. Any recommendations among the newer MP3 player models (even if ports are experimental at this point)?
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04:06:29toffe82Keripo: try here,
04:07:13toffe82it seems to be a good deal , I order one and wait for it at the end of the week, hoping it is really rockbox ready :)
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04:08:43*Keripo hugs toffe82 ; )
04:08:58MU{lappy}i like my S60, but you need to boot the OF to charge it, and the OF never "really" shuts off, so you need to then do a hard reset by disconnecting the battery to get it back to rockbox :/
04:09:04MU{lappy}at least there's a switch for that ;)
04:09:15MarcGuaytoffe82: I'd be surprised if they actually checked. Looks like a shameless, risk-free marketing ploy on their part.
04:09:29toffe82cross my finger
04:09:38Keripoodd that they'd only stick that on the 6GB version though...
04:09:48MarcGuayit's on the other one as well...
04:09:50toffe82on the 2gb also no ?
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04:11:47KeripoI guess I'll email them about the 8GB then and hope ; )
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04:13:07MarcGuayKeripo: If you're worried about space the e200s can use microSD/HC cards.
04:14:00Dhraakellianalthough you'll need a separate adapter for anything >2GB
04:14:10Dhraakellianerm... to put stuff on it, that is
04:14:10KeripoMarcGuay: You mean as an add-on to the internal 6GB? How much extra could be added on in that case?
04:14:32DhraakellianKeripo: I think the microSDHC spec has an arbitrary limit of 32GB
04:14:42MarcGuayI'm not sure what the biggest are right now... Maybe 16GB? check ebay, they're plentiful.
04:14:43DhraakellianKeripo: but the most you can find right now is 8GB
04:14:51Dhraakellian...last I checked, at least
04:15:13Dhraakellianbut I remember reading that the 16GB cards are(/were?) due out some time this summer
04:15:41Dhraakellianwhat's the shipping on that e270v1?
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04:16:27Dhraakelliansince $60-$15coupon+shipping for 6GB looks like a really good price
04:17:08Dhraakelliancompared to the $50-$10+$5 I payed for my e260v1 from Woot
04:19:18Dhraakellianhaven't seen any e200 or c200 sansas on Woot since the last wootoff, though
04:21:16KeripoAlright, thanks very much for all the info. I suppose I'll look into it some more and probably will buy from there
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04:23:13toffe82i paid 44.66$ for the 6gb all include
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04:23:42toffe8248.66 :)
04:24:10Dhraakellian$45 for 4GB, once shipping is added and the shirt.woot coupon price is ignored
04:25:59Dhraakellianif you're in the USA, woot seems a good source for rockboxable sansas if you catch it on the right day
04:28:27MarcGuayDoes anyone know whos got which version of the m200s? I can't keep track. Musical DAPs.
04:29:03MarcGuayTrying to find out who's in the same boat as me with the SD/Harp business.
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07:18:50io_errorAnybody know where the atapwd.exe file went?
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07:29:14DarkShadow791is there anyone here that can answer a simple question?
07:30:17Battousaiwell that one seems simple enough, so yes
07:30:50DarkShadow791lol :P
07:31:11DarkShadow791well i wanted to know if rockbox currently supports fm radio on ipod 5g's with an fm receiver attached to it
07:31:26DarkShadow791i searched on the forums but everything i found was fairly old and i wondered if there was anything new about it
07:31:53DarkShadow791the ipod 5g software is able to do this but needs the hardware from the fm receiver so i figured it would be simple to do this and am kind of surprised i didnt see it on a feature list
07:32:22Battousaithat's significantly less simple, i'm afraid i haven't the answer
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07:32:43JdGordonnot yet...
07:33:02JdGordonand thats far from simple...
07:33:37DarkShadow791i figured it would be simple because i figured someone would be able to crack the ipod software on it...
07:33:55DarkShadow791seeing as how you're able to stick a new os on it, i figured reading from the current os would be easy
07:34:00DarkShadow791but i guess thats not quite true :o
07:34:09DarkShadow791are there any development plans for this?
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07:35:38num1firmware/target/arm/system-arm.h swap32(uint32_t value) is an empty method
07:35:57num1can anyone explain why?
07:37:46DarkShadow791in development as in it's in the next release or people are looking at it and it could take a while?
07:38:04DarkShadow791also another odd Q: Why can't i post in the forum (or: why am i too stupid to find the new topic button)
07:38:47num1nevermind, it's not empty. but the code in prints the same thing every time, so the function isn't doing anything?
07:39:04amiconnnum1: C has no methods, only functions
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07:39:52amiconnAnd if you don't use the return value, nothing will happen...
07:40:50num1amiconn: thanks, I must just be too tired to code right now...
07:40:52amiconnIt's result = htoXe(value); , and the value itself won't be changed of course
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08:15:10Ub3rMariohello everyone, i'm in need of some help choosing a DAP
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08:15:40Ub3rMarioanyone around?
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08:18:56Ub3rMarioanyone around?
08:19:01advcomp2019hello Ub3rMario
08:19:17Ub3rMariohi! could you help me with some DAP choosing issues?
08:20:03advcomp2019have you looked at this page:
08:20:09*GodEater wonders what "issues" could surround choosing a dap
08:20:40Ub3rMarioi have not, but i've narrowed it down to 3 players
08:20:48Ub3rMarioand perhaps just some other opinions would help
08:20:51GodEatertoss a three sided coin!
08:21:00Ub3rMarioit isn't that easy
08:21:04GodEaterwhat are your choices then ?
08:21:15Ub3rMariotheres a 30 gig iaudio x5L
08:21:23Ub3rMarioa 60 gig iaudio x5
08:21:25Ub3rMarioand a 80 gig zune
08:21:34GodEaterwell forget the zune if you want Rockbox on it
08:21:39Ub3rMarioyeah i know
08:21:53Ub3rMarioi can get the zune for 210
08:21:58Ub3rMariothe 60 for 250
08:22:00Ub3rMarioand the 30 for 175
08:22:12Ub3rMarioso i'm unsure based on price, storage, and sound quality
08:22:15Ub3rMario+ rock box factor
08:22:38GodEaterhave you ever used Rockbox before ?
08:22:47Ub3rMarionope, but i hear it's wonderful
08:22:47advcomp2019plus what are you looking for in this rockbox player
08:23:18Ub3rMarioi want good SQ, ability to hold my library, and ease of use
08:24:14Ub3rMariothe iaudios have better sq than the zune, but less storage cap
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08:24:45Ub3rMarioand within the iaudios, the x5L has better battery life, but i'm afraid i'll run out of space too quickly as my library is already about 20 gigs. I'm not sure if i'll be able to tolerate swapping music in and out
08:25:02Ub3rMarioonce it's full.
08:25:11GodEatergetter a bigger hard drive for it ?
08:25:33GodEaterwhat's funny ?
08:25:35Ub3rMariowait you can get a bigger hd for the 30?
08:25:41Ub3rMarioand just...pop it in?
08:25:47scorcheyou can get a bigger hard drive for most devices...
08:26:03Ub3rMarioi'd be scared of wrecking the insides
08:26:07Ub3rMariois it difficult?
08:26:12GodEaterthe change isn't too hard usually
08:26:20pixelmawell if it should stay an X5L you'd need a single platter though - or take a CF or so
08:26:23GodEatermany Rockboxers have upgraded their devices
08:26:37Ub3rMarioi have no idea what that means pixelma
08:26:41Ub3rMariocf=compact flash?
08:26:50Ub3rMarioand....single platter refers to what
08:27:00pixelmasingle platter hard disk
08:27:01scorcheto there being only one platter inside
08:27:04GodEaterthe physical size of a hard drive
08:27:09Ub3rMarioah i c
08:27:13GodEateryou can get single and dual platters
08:27:17GodEaterthe duals tend to be thicker
08:27:23GodEaterand wouldn't fit in an X5L
08:27:28Ub3rMarioahhh i seeee
08:27:38Ub3rMarioso have you all heard of x5l's getting new HD's?
08:28:32Ub3rMario1.8" hd right?
08:28:35GodEaterwe have a page in our wiki detailing what you should look for
08:29:08Ub3rMariothat page?
08:30:06pixelmato imagine that better -the X5L and the 60GB X5 use the same casing, in the 60GB version there's a thicker disk and in the L they used a thinner drive so they could fit a second battery
08:32:06Ub3rMarioohhhh i see.
08:32:13Ub3rMariowhere would i go about getting one of these tiny HD's
08:34:07GodEaterebay ?
08:34:14GodEateror numerous other internet sites
08:35:01Ub3rMarioman that's confusing. So it says this Iaudio X5L 30GB 50 Pins 5mm MK3006GAL
08:35:23Ub3rMarioso am i going to search for... a cowon hd 50 pins? or does any brand suffice
08:35:24GodEaterwhat's confusing about that ?
08:35:24Ub3rMarioas logn as it's 50 pins
08:35:37GodEater"cowon" don't make hard drives
08:35:54GodEaterso you're looking for a 50 pin hard drive from pretty much any of the three manufacturers listed on the replacement page
08:36:05GodEateri.e. Toshiba, Hitachi, or Seagate
08:36:24GodEateralthough I seem to recall Hitachi have their male/female connectors the wrong way round? Can anyone confirm ?
08:36:59Ub3rMario50-pin ATA (male connector for Hitachi, female connector for Toshiba)
08:37:02Ub3rMariothat what you're talking about?
08:37:13GodEaterthat's the one
08:37:27GodEaterso the drive in your cowon is Toshiba, then you'll need to steer clear or Hitachi drives
08:37:31GodEaterbecause they won't go in
08:37:47GodEaterand according to the chart, it will be a Toshiba in the Cowon
08:38:12Ub3rMariook so i should look for a toshiba then
08:38:52GodEaterideally yes :)
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08:39:30Ub3rMariowell that sux the most i can do is 40 gigs lol
08:39:55Ub3rMariobut then again that's double my current library....
08:39:58Ub3rMarioso probably will suffice
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09:25:57webguest00does rockbox make the ipod mini use a color screen
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09:28:25GodEateroh he left ;)
09:28:55linuxstbUb3rMario: I think I'm correct in saying that if you bought an X5L, you could sacrifice one of the battery cells to install a larger "dual-platter" drive if you ever wanted to sacrifice some battery life for extra storage in the future.
09:29:22*linuxstb was tempted to answer "yes"
09:29:48Ub3rMarioit's hard to find the hard drives...i googled for like 20 minutes
09:29:52Ub3rMarioand no place was selling them haha
09:30:18linuxstbDid you try ebay?
09:30:18amiconnlinuxstb: You are correct.
09:30:24*pixelma wanted to suggest that it will also make coffee
09:30:25Ub3rMariono not ebay
09:30:38Ub3rMariowould you personally take a rockboxed x5L over a new zune?
09:30:48linuxstbOf course...
09:31:28linuxstbBut it's your choice - you'll be using it...
09:31:31Ub3rMarioyeah i know
09:31:46Ub3rMariowith the rockbox, it said the original firmware is completely replaced
09:31:58Ub3rMarioso....will i not have some of the features that the x5l started with?
09:32:07Ub3rMarioi like the idea ofa sleep timer haha
09:32:18Ub3rMarioit's minor doesn't really matter, but just wondering
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09:35:23pixelmathe one thing on the X5s that Rockbox currently not supports but the original firmware is the USB host functionality
09:35:31webguest92if i play video on ipod mini will they be incolor
09:35:51Ub3rMariooh yeah i heard about that. so everything is there still except usb host...and i don't need taht haha
09:35:55Ub3rMarioWOOO x5L HERE I COME
09:36:12linuxstbwebguest92: No. Rockbox is good, but it can't perform miracles...
09:36:20pixelmahow could they? The screen doesn't magically turn into a colour screen
09:36:30webguest92would b nice
09:36:51webguest92is there a alternate lcd screen i could put in
09:37:41webguest92my friend wants me to put rockbox on
09:37:43Ub3rMariolinuxstb, if i take out a battery on the x5L, can i justget a 8mm hd instead of the 5mm that it would usually take?
09:37:53webguest92i told him 20 dollars
09:38:35MU{lappy}webguest92: what's his email address? i know how he can save $20 ;P
09:38:37linuxstbUb3rMario: Yes, that's what I was saying. I don't know how easy it is though (I've never seen an X5)
09:38:40pixelmaUb3rMario: yes, that's basically what the manufacturer did too...
09:38:53Ub3rMariohmmm ok then
09:39:07Ub3rMariolol i'm scared it will be difficult!
09:39:15Ub3rMarioknow where i could find a guide?
09:39:56webguest92i need the money
09:40:06linuxstbUb3rMario: You could try - a site dedicated to the cowon/iaudio players. Or wait until amiconn returns, I'm guessing he knows what the insides of an x5(l) look like.
09:40:20webguest92and he dont kno much bout comps
09:40:46Ub3rMariohmm well i'm about to go to sleep haha
09:40:50pixelmalinuxstb: the latter could take a while
09:40:53Ub3rMariobut, thank you for the link
09:41:06Ub3rMarioawesome lappy thank you!
09:41:10webguest92if u get a diff lcd screen for his mini could i put it in
09:41:22MU{lappy}but i can't attest to the quality of the pics. they're not loading, and might be too big to hope to get on this connection :/
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09:41:50webguest92btw i love rockbox
09:41:57MU{lappy}webguest92: afaik, no, not and have it work, either w/ rockbox or OF.
09:42:16linuxstbwebguest92: That would depend how skilled you are with electronics, and with modifying Rockbox to use it...
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09:42:52webguest92i can put a diff lcd screen in i just dont wanna mess the mini up
09:43:00webguest92and why wiuldnt it work
09:43:41webguest92why would i have to modify rockbox
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09:43:46GodEaterbecause the rockbox build for the mini has drivers for the current lcd in it, not a colour one
09:43:58GodEateryou'd have to write a driver for whatever lcd you put in it
09:44:02MU{lappy}you might have trouble finding a color LCD in the same size w/ the same interface. then you would need to modify rockbox to drive the color lcd. the OF would probably never work w/ it.
09:44:20webguest92i dont care about of
09:44:33webguest92the of suxs compared to rockbox
09:45:17webguest92i would haveta write new drivers for a color lcd
09:45:24linuxstbBut Rockbox doesn't completely replace the OF - we don't replace the Apple bootloader for example, or the emergency disk mode (yet).
09:45:26AlsonBlackHi,there.i'm finding someone can give me permissions to edit wiki pages.
09:45:45linuxstbAlsonBlack: What do you want to edit?
09:46:38webguest92so i cant do it then
09:47:03webguest92i forgot that the ipod boots up on of
09:47:10webguest92so forget it then
09:47:22webguest92he can just deal wit black and white vid
09:47:30linuxstbAlsonBlack: What is your wiki name?
09:47:33webguest92damn sux
09:47:51webguest92what can i do wit rockbox for my nano
09:48:20webguest92i do got one good qustion
09:48:43webguest92why do i got to update then initlize everytime i add music wit itunes to my ipod
09:48:48webguest92that get annoying
09:49:15linuxstbAlsonBlack: Is that your real name?
09:49:34MU{lappy}update *and* initialize?
09:49:45AlsonBlackYes,my English name
09:49:53webguest92thats really annoying
09:50:33webguest92is there anything i can do to stop that
09:50:43linuxstbAlsonBlack: OK, done. Have fun. (and don't spam us!)
09:50:53webguest92cuz i add music alot
09:51:09AlsonBlackOK,many thx.:-)
09:51:56pixelmapetur: I wanted to ask whether your new recording screen keeps (or better: restores) the dropping of the "Filename:" line on the smallest displays (Archos, Iriver remotes)
09:52:38webguest92is there anything i can do
09:52:46pixelmapetur: or with a large font maybe
09:53:07webguest92to make it where i wont haveto do that
09:53:09MU{lappy}i don't see why initializing would be necessary?
09:53:19webguest92thats what i got to do
09:53:32MU{lappy}... why?
09:53:42peturpixelma: yes, it shows all data, including filename. Right now it falls back to sysfont if the lines do not fit.
09:53:45webguest92otherwise it wont show up
09:54:01MU{lappy}"update" scans for new or deleted files
09:54:06peturright now = current version of my patch
09:54:21webguest92well i just updated
09:54:24webguest92and nothing
09:54:25pixelmapetur: the explanation would be a "no" to my question
09:54:27MU{lappy}"initialize" rebuilds from scratch, and will take a long time, because it's not only looking at the files you added
09:54:42webguest92i do it everytime
09:55:18peturpixelma: ? you asked if it restored the filename line
09:55:36webguest92i dont get it
09:56:06pixelmapetur: even with the sysfont the filename line does not fit on the 64 pixels high display if you enabled triggered recording and need to see the bar... no I asked about dropping that line
09:56:21pixelmacurrently it is there on the Archos screens...
09:56:31MU{lappy}so your real problem is that new files aren't showing up after database update? i'm not sure if that's a nano or ipod issue, but i don't see why it would be.
09:56:58webguest92i don know either otherwise i love rockbox
09:57:03webguest92and i can make money
09:57:24webguest92cuz i know a lotta ppl who want there nano to play video like mine
09:57:38webguest92its funny i charge 20
09:57:45webguest92for installation
09:57:57webguest92and charge seperate for vids
09:58:03peturpixelma: I tried on an archos sim and everything fits. Tell me what sim to test or try yourself. The trigger bar found a nice spot (peakmeter halved in size and put in place of the lower pm)
09:58:24webguest92does anyone know if there will b a build avalable for the rca pearl
09:58:38webguest92my girl likes the sounds on my ipod nano
09:58:56webguest92and wants to know if i can put rockbox on hers
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09:59:23advcomp2019webguest92, unless you make it, nope
09:59:23linuxstbwebguest92: No-one is working on a build for the rca pearl.
09:59:55webguest92i mean i know its not the greatest
10:00:02webguest92but it would be nice
10:00:15webguest92id like to learn how to make builds
10:00:22webguest92but how would i go aboutit
10:00:50webguest92if anyone wants to give input or help would be greatly appericated
10:00:53pixelmapetur: in the current build on my Ondio, I can't see the trigger bar when the source is set to line in (i.e. 2 gain lines)
10:01:44pixelmaand the peakmeter already is a one line height one
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10:02:33peturpixelma: I can't test here at work. Try it or wait until tonight... The list with volume/gain only takes two lines now as it is a listbox - could change that to one line even.
10:03:09webguest92so i take it noone wants to help build
10:03:26MU{lappy}i don't *have* a pearl, for one thing.
10:04:03webguest92i do
10:04:06linuxstbwebguest92: People here will help in general, but you need interested owners if a device to help do the real work.
10:04:17webguest92well my girl does
10:04:23pixelmafor me the gain info is much more important than the filename (though the volume isn't very important to me either). I'd prefer to see both gain left and right...
10:04:23webguest92she wants it on there
10:05:02MU{lappy}webguest92: then you or she needs to be doing the work.
10:05:09peturpixelma: you should be able to see them both now if you scroll down...
10:05:14webguest92well i dont even know where to start
10:05:21webguest92thats the problem
10:05:26webguest92i wish i did
10:05:31MU{lappy}it's that simple, somebody with the device, and interest, and skills, needs to work on it
10:06:06webguest92well i lack skills to do it sadly
10:06:34patrakovwhat are the requirements for the audio track imposed by mpegplayer? i.e., can I just copy the existing ac3 track instead of transcoding to mp3?
10:06:57pixelmapetur: I mean in one glance, no scrolling. Maybe it's just because I'm used to it but the filename line which is currently there feels like a waste of space to me
10:07:22webguest92well that sux
10:07:42webguest92what is the smallest audio file rockbox supports
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10:08:45peturpixelma: I guess we could get rid of the filename line.... and then somebody will come in screaming for it ;)
10:09:54webguest92does anyone have the nano faceplates are batteries for sale
10:10:16webguest92and about how much
10:10:26webguest92would it cost to get them to me
10:11:42pixelmapetur: could that line be in the list part too? Btw. that line wasn't there on these small screens until the trigger screen viewportification which also disabled that line unnecessarily on the c200 and JdGordon's "fix" for the latter
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10:12:10peturpixelma: great idea... - must write that down
10:16:02pixelmaonly one thing - the filename can change during recording (starting a new file...) but on the other hand the gain can change too...
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10:22:30tcookseyHiya... I'm a Qt/Embedded developer working for Trolltech (now a part of Nokia) and I'm looking to port qt/embedded to rockbox... Is C++ supported?
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10:28:44linuxstbtcooksey: In theory you could use C++, but Rockbox is currently just plain C (plus some assembly). We also have no dynamic memory allocation (i.e. malloc), which may also be an issue for you.
10:30:18tcookseylinuxstb: Ah... No malloc or new? ok, that will be a no then. :-)
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10:36:00pixelmapetur: I'll be willing to test the recording screen patch on my Ondio but will only be able to do so after the weekend...
10:37:33peturI'll see what I can do tonight. The weekend is pretty much filled up completely (evenings included) so if not tonight it will be next week too ;)
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10:47:30Nico_Ptcooksey: why would you want to port Qt/Embedded to rockbox? to me the other way would have made more sense
10:47:49linuxstbNico_P: That wouldn't allow QT/embedded on our targets though, which I guess is the aim.
10:49:48Nico_Plinuxstb: they could just use our drivers
10:50:13linuxstbNico_P: But with what OS? I'm assuming QT/E is just a GUI layer which needs an OS kernel...
10:51:09Nico_Pyou're probably right, altough: I'm not sure rockbox offers enough for a straight port (not taking malloc into consideration)
10:52:02GodEatertcooksey appears to have gone for a smoke ;)
10:55:47Nico_Plinuxstb: assuming we drop the requirement that as much memory as possible is used for music, I assume adding malloc to rockbox wouldn't be too much work, would it?
10:56:29linuxstbThere's also the lack of a hardware MMU on most (all?) targets.
10:56:33GodEaterNico_P: "malloc()" would be easy I think, it's implementing "free()" as well which would be tricky
10:56:43GodEaterwithout getting horribly fragmented memory
10:57:11Nico_Plinuxstb: I think the only targets with MMU are the gigabeats (not sure about the F)
10:57:15*GodEater thinks the beast has MMU
10:57:28Nico_Pis an MMU really necessary?
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10:57:39GodEaterNico_P: see above ?
10:57:39linuxstbDidn't the F run "proper" Linux? Which probably implies an MMU.
10:57:48GodEaterI thought it ran uclinux ?
10:58:14linuxstbI'm not sure.
10:58:15peturI think the requirement of an MMU does not come from 'malloc' but from the OS
10:58:46GodEaterI thought the MMU's job was to basically "keep memory tidy"
10:59:21Nico_Pgodeater: AFAIK it handles virtual memory
10:59:33Nico_Pyou can implment free without an MMU
11:00:16GodEaterNico_P: yes you can, but then your free() and malloc() implementations have to keep track of which bits of memory are allocated, and which aren't, which could go all over the place pretty quickly
11:00:45GodEaterthe "fake" malloc() implementations I've seen just increment a pointer to a buffer somewhere
11:00:52GodEater(the ones in rockbox that is)
11:06:54markunGodEater: the F has an MMU too
11:07:06*GodEater stands corrected (as usual!)
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11:09:06markunmrobe 500, creative ZVx as well
11:14:46GodEatermarkun: now you're just showing off ;)
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11:21:17linuxstbmarkun: So the F ran "proper" Linux?
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11:28:06markunlinuxstb: yes, I think so. I have the sources here.
11:29:51markunusing kernel 2.4.18
11:41:35tcookseyThe idea is to show Qt/Embedded running mmu-less. We have experemental blackfin support for uclinux, but was hoping for another os too.
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11:42:12tcookseyWhat libc does rockbox use?
11:43:28GodEaterI *think* it's our own based on glibc, but I could be wrong
11:44:46tcookseyI'm just thinking uclibc is designed for mmu-less so must have a half decent algorithm for heap management without virtual memory.
11:45:27*GodEater wonders where amiconn is when you need him
11:55:07linuxstbtcooksey: There's been talk of incorporating a half-decent malloc/free implementation for Rockbox plugins to use (to make it easier to port things to Rockbox), but it hasn't happened yet. In general we prefer people porting code to get rid of malloc/free from their code (but obviously that may be very hard/impossible for you).
11:59:58tcookseylinuxstb: We need C++ and we need new, there's no way round it, unless we override the new operator globally.
12:00:33tcookseylinuxstb: Hmmm.. actually overriding new might be the way forward.
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12:03:23linuxstbtcooksey: Is this something "official" - i.e. is trolltech paying you to do it?
12:03:59tcookseylinuxstb: Trolltech has "create fridays" where all developers are basically free to hack on whatever they want.
12:04:23peturoh, /me wants one of those :)
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12:04:42tcookseylinuxstb: so 1/5 of our time is spent on our own pet projects. I want this one to be mine
12:05:22linuxstbDo you own any devices Rockbox runs on? i.e. have you tried it?
12:05:42tcookseylinuxstb: Nope :-)
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12:13:31nyeoNhello can someone please help me out I'm new to rockbox
12:14:16advcomp2019nyeoN, what is your question
12:14:37nyeoNhow do I start? I got sansa e250 and I bought microsdc 8gb
12:14:48nyeoNand I installed the rockbox
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12:17:38linuxstbnyeoN: So Rockbox is installed OK? i.e. it runs when you turn on your Sansa?
12:18:19linuxstbHave you read the Rockbox manual?
12:19:04linuxstbYou'll need to be specific about what you want to do...
12:19:49nyeoNI want to play music
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12:23:30advcomp2019the manual talk about how to play music
12:24:10linuxstbnyeoN: I just browse to my files using the "Files" option, and select one to play that entire folder... Or you can read about using the database option.
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12:24:28nyeoNI tried the database but it didnt work
12:24:39nyeoNand I get to many times codec failure and such things
12:24:42nyeoNwhy is that?
12:24:51advcomp2019what kind of files are they?
12:26:34linuxstbAre they MP3, WMA, something else? Are they "DRM protected (i.e. bought/rented from an online store)?
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13:02:44advcomp2019nyeoN, have you check?
13:12:58nyeoNno they arent
13:13:01nyeoNthey all mp3
13:13:08nyeoNand why cant I use database?
13:13:13nyeoNadvcomp2019, linuxstb
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13:16:23advcomp2019sounds like something is wrong with your mp3 or your rockbox install might be corrupted somewhere
13:16:44nyeoNhow do I uninstall?
13:16:50nyeoNand could you help me install it?
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13:18:15advcomp2019try reinstalling it by downloading the latest build and unzip it and drag and drop the .rockbox folder to the root of the sansa
13:19:08nyeoNisnt there any other way to uninstall and to make a fresh copy?
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13:20:22linuxstbnyeoN: Do your files show up in the Database? i.e. can you see the lists of artists, albums etc?
13:20:38nyeoNit tells me it counting files
13:20:42nyeoNbut after couple of hours
13:20:44nyeoNit stucks
13:21:52advcomp2019wait.. did you load the mp3s while using mtp mode?
13:22:22nyeoNI uploaded them straight to the microsdc
13:22:28nyeoNand then attached it to the mp3
13:27:05advcomp2019so it is only the mp3's on the microsdhc card or does mp3's on the sansa do the same thing?
13:28:18nyeoNi cant even see the mp3s on the sansa threw the rockbox
13:30:19advcomp2019the music folder is hidden.. so show all files in the settings of rockbox
13:30:47nyeoNit says building database 2975 files
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13:32:51advcomp2019is it just stuck there then? if so, try the reset
13:33:54nyeoNits alwyas like this
13:34:04nyeoN2983 files
13:37:01nyeoNwhat do you think? should I reinstall the rockbox?
13:39:10advcomp2019just let it go if it is working
13:39:35nyeoNand why do I get codec failure when I browse threw files?
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13:41:13advcomp2019i am not sure
13:41:32nyeoNso should I reinstall? :)
13:41:40nyeoN3002 files
13:41:42nyeoNhow come?!?!
13:41:48nyeoNI dont have so many songs
13:42:14advcomp2019not yet till the database builds
13:42:28PaulJamthe count shows all files, not only music.
13:43:09nyeoNok I'll wait
13:44:24PaulJambut usually initialising the database shouldn't take that long. on my player it only takes a few minutes.
13:44:30pixelmado you know whether your files have huge metadata (tags) like embedded album art or really long comments etc.?
13:46:04nyeoNI think so
13:46:33nyeoNdo I have an option to save the database or the files instead to the ram to the microsdc?
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14:19:44nyeoN3095 files and it doesnt stop
14:19:53nyeoNits counting for 3 hours now :(
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15:54:59feindbildI googled for gapless playback on the sansa e200 and search for it in the config menu ... isn't it supported on the e200?
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15:56:30domonokygapless playpack means that i can play two tunes without extra gap between the songs. Rockbox always does this, so no need for a config..
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16:03:00GodEaterfeindbild: i.e. you can't turn it off on Rockbox
16:03:32feindbilddomonoky: GodEater: does that mean silence at the end/beginning of a song should get skipped, or just that it prebuffers the next song?
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16:04:08GodEaterif silence is actually *encoded* into the track, Rockbox will play it
16:04:11domonokyno it doesnt skip silence, it just does not insert extra silence..
16:04:33feindbildok ... I thought that was what gapless was about ...
16:04:33GodEaterbut there will be no pause between one track finishing and the next starting
16:04:42feindbildthank you guys :)
16:04:46GodEaterno problem
16:05:08feindbildI guess a silnce cutoff feature isn't in the planning?
16:05:26GodEaterif you wish to remove silence from your tracks, use an audio editor
16:05:47GodEaterfeindbild: out of interest, what on earth have you got with silence in it in the first place ?
16:06:09feindbildGodEater: well, because a lot of CDs come with silence at the beginning/end of a song ...
16:06:16GodEaterthey do ?
16:06:21*GodEater hasn't found this on any of his
16:07:03feindbildGodEater: and when I moved to linux a few years ago I didn't know how to automatically remove it when ripping/encoding ...
16:07:16feindbildGodEater: tool for example ...
16:07:27feindbildtheyx have quite a few gaps ^^
16:08:00GodEatergapless is typical most obvious when you're listening to mix albums, where one track fades seamlessly into the next
16:08:19GodEaterif you have a platform that doesn't do gapless, you'll get a moment's pause between the track changeovers
16:08:33feindbildbut decoding to wav, cutting the silence and re-encoding is another quality loss ... and I honestly have no interest in re-ripping+encoding 100+ CDs ^^
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16:08:48GodEaterif people have put silence deliberately into their tunes, there's not much we can do about it
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16:11:47GodEaterfeindbild: I'm not sure how you think this could be implemented automatically in any case - how would you distinguish between a momentary pause in the middle of a track, and silence at the end of it ?
16:12:01PaulJamwell, gap detection/removal should be possible. i think some older player did this (carma?). the question is if there is someone who is going to implement it and if it is wanted.
16:12:12ReKleSSI think the iriver OFW does it
16:12:19ReKleSSif it's all in the buffer you can detect it...
16:12:23GodEaterReKleSS: yes, and it sucked
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16:13:47feindbildGodEater: you can scan from the end of the track until there's no more silence and store the time (or whatever threeshold you want to define as silence) ... I just don't have a clue if it's possible with the hardware contraints)
16:14:05feindbildas on the beginning ... decode+scan as fast as possible until there is no sileence ...
16:14:10GodEatersome people listen to very long tracks which would completely fill the buffer
16:14:19GodEatermeaning that would not be possible
16:14:30GodEaterespecially not on the more RAM constrained targets
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16:17:18nyeoNcan someone please tell me why do I get from time to time codec failure?
16:18:34PaulJamnyeoN: do you get it always with the same songs? which revision of rockbox do you use?
16:18:54nyeoNwell I dont know the answer to both quastions please guide me
16:18:59nyeoNand all my tracks are mp3
16:19:36LambdaCalculus37nyeoN: You can check which version of Rockbox you're running by going to System > Rockbox Info.
16:19:41LambdaCalculus37It starts with an r.
16:20:14nyeoNcurentlly my rockbox is building database 3033 files so as soon as it finish
16:21:15PaulJamdoes the error always happen when you play back the same song, or does it happen randomly.
16:22:07GodEaterthat's *extremely* unlikely
16:22:15GodEaterrandom is very hard for electronic devices to do
16:22:49ReKleSSGodEater: I can confirm this, actually... my H120 used to give me codec failure sometimes, but forcing it to try again usually made it work
16:22:51nyeoNwell maybe something is wrong with my install?
16:23:10nyeoNwhen I close the device and open it up the track works always
16:23:22ReKleSSbut that was a fairly old version, my H340 with newer ones has never done it afaik
16:23:27nyeoNI'm using sansa e250 with rockbox and microsdhc 8gb card
16:23:41GodEaterReKleSS: that doesn't meant the failure was random
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16:23:52feindbildGodEater: hmmm ... why would it fill the 'buffer'? you only need to scan until there's no silence ... that shouldn't be more than ~15 seconds ... except for some extreme exceptions ...
16:23:53GodEaterthat means that having the song at the start of the buffer rather than the end helped
16:24:01nyeoNcan someone tell me how do I start the rockbox what should be the first steps? maybe Ive done something wrong
16:24:21ReKleSSGodEater: it's always just as the song loads
16:24:24GodEaterfeindbild: where is the song going to be while you're scanning it ?
16:24:38domonokynyeoN: first check your version, and if its old update it and try again...
16:25:16GodEaterReKleSS: if it's "always" as the song loads, then that's not random is it ?
16:25:19nyeoNas soon as database finish uploading tracks *3045 wtf? *
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16:25:36ReKleSSI mean, if it occurs, it occurs at the start
16:25:48ReKleSSbut which songs it occurs on seems ot be random
16:25:59GodEaterReKleSS: but as soon as you start playback? Or in the middle of a playlist ?
16:26:06ReKleSSmiddle of a playlist
16:26:14GodEaterso again, not random
16:26:26feindbildGodEater: I didn't read the rockbox source code yet ... but I guess part of it in the buffer ... but if you begin scanning at the end of a file ... 15sec woth of file should not disturb it ...
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16:26:32ReKleSSerr... if it doesn't happen consistently on the same songs, how is it not random?
16:26:37PaulJamnyeoN: i would reccomend to do a check of the filesystem on your player. that the database initialisation takes _that_ long certainly isn't normal.
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16:26:52nyeoNcheck what?
16:26:58GodEaterfeindbild: beginning scanning at the end of the file would make playback awfully bad
16:27:13nyeoNPaulJam: check what?
16:27:30feindbildGodEater: ok, I'll believe you without trying :)
16:27:37GodEaterReKleSS: the *songs* it may happen on may be random, but the conditions under which it happens are not
16:27:46domonokynyeoN: check for errors in the filesystem, ie with checkdisk or alike..
16:28:01nyeoNcan I do it inside the device?
16:28:15PaulJamnyeoN: the filesystem. with chkdsk (or fsck.vfat if you use linux)
16:28:34nyeoNhmm I really dont know what ur talking about :(
16:28:52GodEaternyeoN: Consult google then
16:28:59nyeoNbtw version r17732m-080618
16:29:13nyeoNup to date?
16:29:38GodEaterhell no
16:29:41GodEaterthat's way old
16:29:43PaulJamthat is old.
16:29:55GodEaterit's also a patched build
16:30:01GodEaterwhich we do not support here in any event
16:30:28nyeoNoh so anyone can give me a link please
16:30:49PaulJamGodEater: it doesn't have to be. i saw in the past sometimes that offficial builds have the "m" too.
16:30:57GodEaterthen go to the "current builds" section
16:31:05GodEaterPaulJam: I've not seen one happen for a long time like that though
16:31:17GodEaterPaulJam: although I agree it could be an unfortunate coincidence
16:31:30GodEaterin any case, we like to make sure people are on a current build before we try supporting it
16:31:37domonokydoes someone here know if it is bad to use code from apps/codecs/<mycodeclib> in the metadata parsers in apps/metadata/ ?
16:31:38nyeoNGodEater: I downloaded..
16:31:50nyeoNnow what?
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16:32:15GodEaternyeoN: how did you install Rockbox to your player in the first place ?
16:32:23domonokynyeoN: take a look at the manual... (or use your brain :-) )
16:32:34nyeoNwell I installed the the exe
16:32:49GodEaternyeoN: use that to do the update then
16:33:11nyeoNjust to plug my mp3 to the pc and use update?
16:33:20domonokyjust press the the "install rockbox" button in rbutil..
16:33:25nyeoNgot nothing to do with the new zip file I downloaded?
16:33:39GodEateralthough I recommend upgrading to 1.0.6
16:33:53GodEaternyeoN: yeah, ignore the zip file
16:33:58domonokyrbutil downloads the zip for you, and extracts it to your player...
16:34:15GodEaternyeoN: how what ?
16:35:15nyeoNwhen plugging my sansa to the pc it uploads the original bootloader is it ok?
16:35:47GodEater"uploads" ?
16:36:15nyeoNstarts with..
16:36:58GodEaterokay, be clear, that is not what "uploads" means
16:37:03GodEaterand yes, it's fine :)
16:37:27nyeoNhaha ok :)
16:37:53nyeoNextracting failed: zlib library error...
16:38:13*GodEater hands over to domonoky ;)
16:38:25nyeoNplease guys help me out
16:38:33GodEaterwe are
16:38:58nyeoNmaybe I should uninstall and then install?
16:39:05*domonoky is annoyed. Just extract the zip file you downloaded to your player...
16:39:22GodEaterdomonoky: is there no way to force rbutil to redownload in this event ?
16:39:24nyeoNok so to uninstall and then extract?
16:39:32GodEaternyeoN: no need to uninstall
16:39:38nyeoNjust to copy?
16:39:58domonokyGodEater what do you mean ? redownload ?
16:40:08nyeoNextract to sansa e250?
16:40:14GodEaterdomonoky: well I assume the zlib error is because the .zip rbutil has pulled down is corrupt ?
16:40:17GodEaternyeoN: yes
16:40:39GodEaterI also assumed that it caches those zip files - perhaps I imagine wrongly ?
16:40:57domonokyGodEater: could be, but also could be another problem... but the user can easily use the same button again, and it will download a new zip..
16:41:07GodEaterah ok
16:41:15nyeoNit tells me not enough space :(
16:41:22GodEaterhe's not missing anything from running the older version of rbutil ?
16:41:31nyeoNit only reads the 2gb the device has and not the other 8gb
16:41:55domonokyno, that was probaly why zlib failed.. (no diskspace)...
16:42:20GodEaternyeoN: correct
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16:42:31GodEaternyeoN: the sansa firmware does not understand your sdhc card
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16:42:47nyeoNI know
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16:43:00GodEaterso free up some space on the 2GB bit
16:43:05GodEateryou shouldn't need much
16:43:09GodEatera couple of megabytes
16:43:18nyeoNerases 200mb
16:43:42PaulJami suspect that the lack of free disk space might also be responsible for the problems with the database.
16:44:12nyeoNbut I got 8 more gb
16:44:19nyeoNcant rockbox use that
16:44:20GodEaterPaulJam: very possibly!
16:44:31GodEaternyeoN: yes it can, but not to do the install to
16:44:45nyeoNbut with the database it can...?
16:44:56GodEaterthe database gets written to the 2GB part
16:45:02nyeoNinstallation successful
16:46:50nyeoNdatabase is running fast now
16:47:50nyeoNbut still stuck on 2078 :/
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16:49:27nyeoNGodEater got any clue?
16:50:05GodEaternyeoN: I never use the database I'm afraid, so no
16:50:19GodEaterI always just use the "Files" option to start my playback
16:50:20nyeoNwhat does it do anyway?
16:50:30GodEaterwhat does what do ?
16:50:37nyeoNdatabase button
16:50:58GodEaterit builds an index of all your music based on the metadata each file contains
16:51:08GodEatere.g. Artist / Album / Genre / Year etc.
16:51:19GodEaterso that you search using those criteria
16:51:27GodEaterit's entirely optional, and usage of Rockbox does not require it
16:55:09nyeoNworking great :)
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16:56:38PaulJamit could be that the database still has problems with extremly large tags (from embedded albumart or lyrics for example). i haven't had this kind of problems myself, so i'm not really sure.
16:56:47nyeoNbtw GodEater is there any chance to upload fonts so I could see my language instead of just squares?
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16:57:37feindbildbye ^^
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16:57:56PaulJamRbUtil should have an "extras" tab where you can install fonts if i remember correctly.
16:58:35nyeoNbut fonts in my own language?
16:58:44ReKleSSthere's a unicode font that should cover it
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17:00:21PaulJamnyeoN: here is an overview of which font supports which charactersets:
17:01:43nyeoNthanks alot for your help guys
17:08:19nyeoNI installed the font package but I still cant see the songs names in hebrew how come?
17:09:08nyeoNfixed that nvm
17:09:19LambdaCalculus37Not all of the fonts can display certain characters.
17:09:24LambdaCalculus37Try Unifont.
17:10:12nyeoNye did that
17:10:18nyeoNcan I make the size of the font smaller?
17:10:45LambdaCalculus37Unless someone makes a smaller Unifont-like font.
17:10:55ReKleSStry the unicatcher theme
17:10:58nyeoNroger that
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17:11:40PaulJamnyeoN: just use a smaller font that supports hebrew. nimbus12 for example
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18:05:10AndiTailshi. i just put the latest rockbox onto an aging iRiver H10 5gb player and install went great. my reason for wanting to change firmware is that I cannot load more than 4-6 songs onto the player before it crashes - that includes in UMS mode. is there anyway i can upload music to a rockbox player without being in UMS mode?
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18:05:39XqtftqxAnybody know why doom doesnt work on the beast?
18:06:00LambdaCalculus37Xqtftqx: I think that's something you have to ask jhMikeS.
18:06:08Xqtftqxit gets stuck on "Loading Graphics Engine..."
18:06:34LambdaCalculus37I get the same thing.
18:07:09LambdaCalculus37I'm not sure what's causing the problems, though.
18:07:21XqtftqxWonder what it is, its probly not even anything to do with the "graphics"
18:07:35XqtftqxIt works in the simulator though
18:08:44LloreanThe simulator isn't really demonstrative of anything
18:08:44XqtftqxWe Need jhMikeS
18:08:57AndiTails..anyone about the ums issue?
18:09:00LloreanThe simulator is just "it looks like the player", there is no "it does things like the player"
18:09:06LloreanAndiTails: Not until the USB stack is finished.
18:09:19Xqtftqxwhats the issue?
18:09:49GodEaterLlorean: I'm in favour of wiping the install sections
18:10:08AndiTailsiRiver H10 player crashes after about 5-6 songs uploading in normal iRiver firmware and UMS mode, so i can't upload music although rockbox has installed fine
18:10:15LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Second.
18:10:19LloreanGodEater: The post is more of a warning, unless someone comes up with a REALLY good objection.
18:10:47GodEaterLlorean: can you move them the way you have with the old archived ones to the "Trash" area and stop them showing up in searches that way ?
18:10:57GodEateror are we really going to vapourise them ? :)
18:11:05LloreanGodEater: I plan to move them.
18:11:14LloreanThey'll be Apple Install pre-3.0, etc, etc.
18:11:22GodEaterexcellent idea
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18:11:31GodEateras you say, I can't imagine we'd need anything in them
18:11:33GodEaterbut you never know
18:11:36LloreanI'm not sure there's any reason to keep them around, other than maybe a bit of mining for ideas for the manual, but I don't see any harm in it either.
18:12:20*GodEater notices the time and realises he's late to go and meet Mrs GodEater for a posh burger!
18:12:21LambdaCalculus37Or for some old laughs. ;)
18:12:28GodEatergood w/e all!
18:12:33LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Good night!
18:12:43LambdaCalculus37Enjoy that burger! ;)
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18:13:32LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: Greetings to you! :)
18:13:47MarcGuayLambdaCalculus37: Afternoons. What goes?
18:14:18MarcGuayAny idea who has what m200 model? Do you still have one?
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18:14:55LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: shotofadds has what was my m240. That was a NAND.
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18:15:12XqtftqxAnybody want to help get rockbox to work with the rb utility?
18:15:23MarcGuayNo clue who's got the SD/Harp models, if any?
18:15:29LambdaCalculus37I'm getting one.
18:15:38LambdaCalculus37An m230.
18:16:09MarcGuayExcellent. And you'll be getting tons of free time as well, right? ;)
18:16:48MarcGuayI'm starting to poke at the SD stuff... Have a nice stack of docs and code and read through...
18:17:00LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: If I can repent, quit my job, and slack off, then I'll have all the free time I need. ;)
18:17:35LambdaCalculus37But I'll be glad to help you test some stuff out.
18:19:01MarcGuayLambdaCalculus37: Have you messed with the new ipod recording screen keymap since I changed it?
18:19:30LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: Yep. Gave it a go-round on my iPod color.
18:19:42MarcGuayAny beef?
18:19:42LambdaCalculus37Feels much more natural now.
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18:20:01LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: Yes, medium rare, please. ;)
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18:24:08AndiTailsany advantage to using rockbox on osx? would it be nicer to my player in ums mode than xp is?
18:24:32AndiTailslooks like i'm stuffed then! :)
18:24:51MarcGuayWhat's wrong with the way XP treats it?
18:25:38AndiTailsplayer crashes after uploading about 5 songs in ums mode. does the same in normal iRiver firmware too, hence turning to rockbox −− but since the usb stack isn't done yet, i'm still stuck with a player and no songs :)
18:25:56AndiTails(iRiver H10 5gb)
18:26:14AndiTailswell, i say _I_, its my Dad's, and I'm trying to sort it for him. and failing.
18:26:57MarcGuayHow does the player crash?
18:27:37AndiTailswindows says "Path not found" and the player freezes on "USB In Use" but its not actually accessing the drive or anything. battery-out is the only way forward.
18:28:10MarcGuayHave you tried checking the disk for errors?
18:28:34AndiTailsno, actually.. would i just use the normal xp diskcheck whilst its in ums mode?
18:29:27AndiTailsi'll give that a go then...
18:29:52XqtftqxAndiTails: Do you have a linux computer avaible?
18:30:23AndiTailsi've just installed osx 10.5.4 on a machine.. that any good?
18:30:43Xqtftqxi dont know, i dont use osx
18:30:58AndiTailselse i have ubunutu 8 on a cd, would live mode be enough?
18:31:15AndiTailsok, what's the idea?
18:31:22Xqtftqxyou can use fsck
18:31:25Xqtftqxget on the cd
18:31:31Xqtftqxand join irc, ill help you in register with freenode?
18:32:17Xqtftqxgo to and join this irc
18:32:28Xqtftqxill give you the commands
18:33:20MarcGuayThe idea being that fsck is a superior way to check the disk than XP's checkdisk?
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18:35:52AndiTailswhat channel am i joining on mibbit?
18:36:39LloreanWhat he means is "boot up Linux, then come back here from within Linux" and #rockbox
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18:37:41AndiTailsfair enough, is my laptop right next to the pc not enough then? ;)
18:37:50AndiTailsubuntu is just booting..
18:38:07Xqtftqxif you wish to have to transfer commands
18:38:21AndiTailsi see your point ;)
18:38:30Xqtftqxit whould be easier to just copy the commands
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18:40:58XqtftqxOk, are you in linux?
18:41:08XqtftqxPM me
18:41:51XqtftqxSee the message?
18:44:59*domonoky has problems with his .sap codec. every chunk of PCM it inserts is somehow scrambled in the beginning. But if i directly dump to file its fine... i suspect i did not set the ci->configure option correctly.. :-/
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18:46:54domonokyi set freq to 44100, Sample depth to 16, Stereo mode to mono, which i think is what the asap codec outputs..
18:47:23domonokyanything else i need to set ?
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18:56:43LambdaCalculus37domonoky: I think that should be it.
18:57:33domonokyhow about endianess, which endian should the codec output ?
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18:58:39Lloreandomonoky: I wouldn't know, but I'd guess you should use the macros that convert to host endianness?
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19:00:03domonokythe asap codec has a setting to either output LE or BE, at the moment its LE and i am testing on sim..
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19:01:14LloreanI'd also imagine that if endianness was an issue, your whole thing would be garbled rather than just the start.
19:01:48BigBambiLlorean: FWIW I agree with you in general about the install forums - it would be nice to have a new start along with an (almost) exclusive use of rbutil
19:02:07LloreanHave you looked at the dumped file? Maybe it's got the trash at the beginning too, but whatever you're using to play the dumped file is "smart" enough to recognize the trash? (Or maybe it's metadata of some sort?)
19:02:24LambdaCalculus37domonoky: How does the codec sound in the sim?
19:03:20domonokyi got sound but there is something like noise witch interrupts the sound repetably
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19:04:03domonokyi tested with test_codec to write the codec output to file, so i can see this bursts of noise in a waveditor..
19:05:15domonokythe length and distanz between those bursts of noise map directly to the lenght of chunks i insert int pcm_buf
19:06:17LloreanBigBambi: Ideally I'd like to mark "ipodpatcher" and the like "development tools" and possibly entirely remove them from the manual, but I wouldn't want to do that until we at least have a CLI version of the utility, as I'm not fond of forcing a GUI.
19:06:31domonokyand i used test_codec to directly dump to file in at the beginning of pcmbuf_insert_wav, so i short a conversions etc. and then the wavfile is fine
19:06:41BigBambiLlorean: Or move them to an appendix
19:06:56LloreanI thought of moving them to the appendix at first.
19:07:03LloreanBut I don't think they need to be in the manual at all.
19:07:11LloreanIn many cases they're just a way for people to screw up their player.
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19:07:30LloreanIf RBUtil fails, we want someone to at least come here and ask about it so we can fix it.
19:07:51BigBambiWhether an appendix or something like a wiki page, I'm not too fussed, but I would like to present only rbutil as the install method
19:08:09LloreanI'd prefer to keep the development installers in the wiki. But that's just me.
19:08:26LloreanBut that's for 3.1 or later.
19:08:49LloreanBut RBUtil should at least be the primary
19:08:55BigBambiI'd be quite happy with that - I think the important thing is that we present one install method only, and that one method should be the lovely rbutil :)
19:10:03*LambdaCalculus37 is going to give Rbutil a nice testing when his Archos Jukebox 5000 arrives
19:10:41BigBambiIf people ask and it is necessary, people can be pointed at e.g. ipodpatcher, but it isn't necessary for the vast majority and can only confuse some of our users :)
19:10:49AndiTailsanyone else able to tell me how to fsck my player in UMS mode under linux?
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19:12:03LloreanBigBambi: Exactly. As far as I'm concerned, they shouldn't even know these other tools exist until *after* we've tried to provide support for RBUtil and realized it won't work in their case.
19:12:28BigBambi100% agree
19:13:23LloreanAndiTails: In all honesty, if you're having troubles with the original software you should be finding support in a place where people provide support for the original software.
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19:13:51AndiTailsthat doesn't exist though, sadly..
19:13:52LloreanNot only is this channel for Rockbox only, but none of us use the OF on the H10 (and very few of us even have one) so we couldn't provide any real help even if this were the right place.
19:13:57AndiTailshence the straw-clutching
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19:15:38AndiTailsif there was a fix-my-dads-crap-mp3-player channel, i'd be in there like a shot hehe
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19:16:01BigBambiUnfortunately, just because you can't find anywhere else doesn't make this the correct place
19:16:19LloreanAndiTails: I do sympathize, but this channel is logged and we like to keep them clean. So it really doesn't belong here, please.
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19:18:09AndiTailssorry, i shall battle on.
19:18:23BigBambigood luck :)
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19:25:13amiconnSpeaking about rbutil - any rbutil experts around now?
19:25:59*domonoky is here
19:26:20AndiTailsBigBambi: thanks, it seems Vista's checkdisk has done the job... files copying nicely now!
19:26:54amiconnYesterday I used rbutil to install rockbox on my target #14 (ipod photo)
19:27:13amiconnIt worked, but some thing don't work as I'd expect
19:27:42amiconnFirst thing is the "invalid configuration" splash
19:28:05amiconnI'd expect a bit more explanation/help if no config is found
19:28:17LloreanWe've already talked about that one. :)
19:28:38amiconnSome kind of wizard mode would probably be nice.
19:28:49domonokyi think we have now a special welcome screen you get for the first start. and there are plans to improve it..
19:29:03*LambdaCalculus37 was just about to say what domonoky did ;)
19:29:26LambdaCalculus37A splash screen for the first run that says "A config file will be created now."
19:29:27amiconnAnd imho the very first question should be the one for the UI language, and it shouldn't need a restart. Starting once via "Run as..." is cumbersome enough....
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19:30:47amiconnNext thing is that while the autodetection worked, first I didn't notice that it did. The highlight in the list is very faint...
19:31:20LambdaCalculus37amiconn: I agree that the first run of Rbutil shoould ask you what language to use.
19:31:55*LambdaCalculus37 removes an o from "shoould"
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19:32:44domonokyabout autodetection: i thought about changing it to show what it found, and perhaps let you select which one, if multible devices are found...
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19:33:19amiconnThen, while rbutil even installs the large freedoom datafile, for some reason it doesn't install the midi patchset
19:33:38LloreanI thought we hadn't determined if we could really distribute it yet?
19:33:51LloreanWasn't there some doubt, and discussion of removing it?
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19:34:54amiconnWell, of course the licensing needs to be checked, and if we aren't allowed to distribute it, then it should be removed from the wiki as well
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19:38:14amiconnFinally, some sort of multiple device support would be nice. While it's rather unlikely that a user will have as many targets as me, he could still have perhaps 2 targets, a flash and a hdd based one
19:39:34domonokyamiconn: could you perhaps add those notes to the rbutilDevelopment wiki page ? so they dont get forgotten..
19:43:29*domonoky has know made sure what the ASAP codec really outputs, its: 16bit signed mono PCM. so perhaps rockbox wants it unsigned ?
19:44:26amiconnAfaik rockbox wants 32 bit signed (mono or stereo)
19:45:09domonokyreally ? even when i set the sample_depth to 16 bit ?
19:45:12amiconnThere's some headroom reserved for filtering etc; iirc it's s2.29
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19:46:28amiconnWell, I'm not sure, as I never wrote a codec myself, but iirc the dsp input should be mentioned 32 bit format in order to at least avoid extra conversion
19:47:11amiconnTher should be quite a bit of explanation regarding this in the logs (by preglow probably 2007)
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20:04:18amiconndomonoky: Shall I add the ideas to milestone 2, milestone 3, or yet somewhere else?
20:05:18domonokyas you like, if think it important add it to milestones, if it is less importants you could open another Table :-)
20:05:57domonokycan someone tell me where pcmbuf_insert is define ? i somehow cant find it.. :-/
20:06:15amiconnThe mentioned welcome screen isn't in 1.0.6, or did I miss something?
20:06:49domonokyi think it got in too late, so its only in svn..
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20:08:33amiconnI'll add it to milestone 2 then. You can set the green tick if it's already done
20:12:41bluebrotherthere is no real welcome screen yet. Only a notification if no configuration has been found.
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20:14:04bluebrotherdomonoky: btw, what happened to festival support? Did you drop that idea?
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20:14:44domonokyif someone wants to include festival, it would be nice, but i wont do it :-)
20:15:20itchegbluebrother asked you yesterday... any chance you can synch
20:15:27*bluebrother wants this overview screen first
20:16:00bluebrotheritcheg: I've added it to my "look into it again" list. Spare time is always the problem :/
20:16:15itchegsure I understand
20:16:16bluebrotherbut a resync might be not that hard. Maybe I'll get around the weekend to do that.
20:17:02itchegnot a coder but failed for me on trying to extra storage for the markings
20:17:13itchegtrying to add*
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20:19:32*domonoky really needs someone who can tell me which audio format pcmbuf_insert expects..
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20:24:32bluebrotheramiconn: I already have some code around for selecting the language of rbutil based on system language.
20:25:15amiconnThat's a nice idea
20:25:21bluebrotherthere is only one small issue left: if you open the configuration dialog the language will get saved in the configuration. I'd prefer to not do that unless the user manually selected a different language.
20:26:00amiconnPerhaps rbutil could even pre-set the rockbox language in config.cfg (if we decide that rbutil should provice configuration editing, that is)
20:26:14bluebrothermaybe I should finish that before finishing the bootloader rework ... grabbing the system language is rather easy
20:26:30bertrikapparently USB devices can have a charger detection circuit that put a probing voltage on the D+ line and pull a defined current from the D- line. I wonder if accidentally enabling any of those could explain some of the USB reliability problems on PP we've seen
20:26:34bluebrotherI agree. I'd also like to have some preset-like thingy for initial configuration
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20:29:22num1GodEater: you said you looked at libpng and saw a lot of floating point math?
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20:33:11num1are there any platforms that don't use two's compliment form for storing negative numbers?
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20:40:13bluebrothernope. This is an english channel.
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20:47:23itchegbluebrother if you get a chance to work on the sudoku save patch would you consider to review/commit this one
20:47:41itchegI tested and it works great for me on a ipod 64
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20:49:17itchegit's a patch for markings for possible numbers
20:49:36bluebrotherjust looking at the task
20:51:10*domonoky solved hid sap codec problem.. :-) pcmbuf_insert wants the number of samples and not the number of bytes in the buffer. And it works with a 16bit pcm.. :-)
20:52:56domonokynow lets test decoding speed on target... :-)
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21:03:01domonokyso .sap playback on m:robe: 858 % realtime. 9,32 Mhz needed for realtime... sounds good :-)
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21:04:30*domonoky goes on to the next task, extracting the metadata parsing.. :-)
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21:06:42LambdaCalculus37domonoky: Very nice speeds for a PP target. :)
21:08:10Nico_Pdomonoky: wow that's efficient
21:09:43domonokyand i did no optimisations.. only the codec interface :-)
21:11:07bluebrother already runnig as codec?
21:11:42domonokyyup, i can play .sap files in a playlist on my m:robe :-)
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21:12:01domonokybut metadata, songlenght
21:12:06domonokyetc is all fake
21:14:18domonokyand this asap codec can possibly play more formats, i just begun with .sap
21:15:06*LambdaCalculus37 hands domonoky a beer
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21:24:15LambdaCalculus37domonoky: Will you be committing soon?
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21:24:48domonokyno, its not ready to commit, but you can now try yourself at: FS #9210 :-)
21:25:35domonokyit would be interessting to see how it works on other targets :-)
21:25:46LambdaCalculus37domonoky: Sure thing. I'll roll it for my targets.
21:26:12*LambdaCalculus37 has to remember to make sure to enable test_codec
21:26:27bertrikdomonoky, I can test it on sansa c200 and e200, do you have a link to some tunes?
21:27:00domonokythis site lists a big archiv :-)
21:27:06bertrikmaybe something like a reference tune
21:27:46saratogadomonoky: if your codec uses 32 bit ints internally, outputing those would be more efficient (and also more accurate), though it probably doesn't matter
21:27:52domonokyi only got good sound a few minutes ago, so its very early .. :-)
21:28:45domonokysaratoga: i just took the whole codec from this sourceforge page above. it works with nearly no modifikation.. :-)
21:29:12LambdaCalculus37bertrik: Atari SAP Music Archive.
21:29:17domonokyand the asap codec interface only gives option from 8 bit to 16 bit..
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21:29:26*bertrik was afraid to download the entire sap archive, but it turns out to be only 2.8 MB :P
21:29:42domonokythey are very small.. :-)
21:30:09num1if only all codecs used data that small...
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21:31:14domonokythey are this small, because they are code. ASAP emluates an atari and the atari soundcard :-)
21:31:46bluebrotherif all files were that small we couldn't play ogg, flac and mp3 :)
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21:35:57bertrikdomonoky, do you have any specific tune in mind to test?
21:36:12tlhiv_laptophi folks ... i have a SanDisk Sansa e250, and i want to find a theme that's similar to the default interface of the player
21:36:21tlhiv_laptopi see a e200 theme, but it doesn't look the same
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21:36:41Lloreantlhiv_laptop: There's not one that looks exactly the same, and reproducing the art would be copyright infringement.
21:36:48domonokybertrik: i only tested with the first tune in Demos :-)
21:36:59tlhiv_laptopLlorean: i understand ;)
21:37:21tlhiv_laptopi'd love to find some kind of theme that has nice large bold fonts at least
21:40:12bertrikI get a compilation error in asap.c line 118 and some warnings in lines 60,61
21:41:23bertrikoutputbuffer is not declared anywhere, compiling for sansa c200 BTW
21:41:33tlhiv_laptopi think i have turned the backlight off and i don't know how to get it back on since i can't see anything to navigate
21:41:41domonokyups forgot to the delete the memset. remove it and it will be fine :-)
21:42:24bertriktlhiv_laptop, if you hold rec during boot, all settings will be reset to default
21:42:36tlhiv_laptopnice ;)
21:45:09bertrikdomonoky, another compile error in acpu.c 26/1288, redefinition of opcode_cycles
21:46:31tlhiv_laptopExtracting failed: unable to create a directory
21:46:38tlhiv_laptopcan't seem to install a theme
21:46:38bertrikhmm, source file is duplicate within itself or something
21:47:07domonokyoh, then i messed up the patch :-)
21:51:19*bertrik waits patiently
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21:55:09*bluebrother hands domonoky the command line svn client :)
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21:57:50bluebrotherhmm, the possibility to tag FS entries with personal notes would be nice.
21:58:43*bertrik spots a spelling mistake in rbutilqt
21:59:38bertrikI think if I fix, it might break a lot of translations
22:00:07domonokybertrik: new patch in flyspray...
22:00:23bluebrothersource string mistake? You can easily adjust that in the ts files.
22:00:55bertriksuccessful is spelled as successfull in install.cpp around line 149 and in rbutilqt.cpp around line 517
22:01:45bertrikyay, patch is suddenly about half the size :)
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22:03:22bluebrotherhmm. I suddenly got lots of "chmod (file attributes) error: Operation not permitted" errors when unzipping the build on my mini (on linux). Aneone experienced something like that before?
22:08:12bluebrotheritcheg: just resynced FS #5737
22:16:47tlhiv_laptophi folks ... i have a MP3 that seems to just cut out and stop in the middle of the song ... i've tested the same MP3 on another Sandisk Sansa e250 v2 and it works fine, but on this e250 v1, it just stops and goes to the next track
22:17:04tlhiv_laptopthis happens using the original firmware and the rockbox as well
22:17:20LloreanThen it's not a Rockbox issue, is it?
22:17:30tlhiv_laptopno ... just thought i could get some advise
22:17:37tlhiv_laptopthe file plays fine on this computer
22:17:39LloreanThis channel is for Rockbox support and development.
22:17:46bertrikdomonoky, nice it works, no idea how the songs are supposed to sound though :P
22:17:51LloreanIf you're having problems with the hardware itself, you should contact the providers of the hardware.
22:18:10domonokybertrik: on which target ?
22:18:49bluebrothertlhiv_laptop: try #rockbox-community for such issues ...
22:18:51bertrikdomonoky, c200
22:18:59tlhiv_laptopbluebrother: ok ... thanx
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22:22:53tlhiv_laptopis it possible to have a different equilizer for each album?
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22:24:22bertrikdomonoky, 855% for
22:26:37bertrikhmm, does 232%
22:27:10LloreanSo very dependent on the file
22:28:20domonokyhm, which header do i need to include to get DEBUGF (in the core, ie metadata parsers). ?
22:28:38bluebrotheriirc that's debug.h :)
22:29:05bluebrotheryep: firmware/export/debug.h
22:29:17domonokythanks :-)
22:30:02bluebrotherhow good filenames are named rather self-explanatory in rockbox source. It's really annoying if they are not (like at work)
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22:39:47bluebrotherdomonoky: btw, any news from your student?
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22:41:20domonokyyes, he should be now back working on his project..i "strongly advised" him that he should now work on cleaning up the code and get at least the basics ready or he will fail..
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22:47:57tlhiv_laptophow does one refresh the database?
22:48:31bluebrotherthere's an entry in the menu. You can also enable auto-updating the database
22:48:46bluebrotherdomonoky: urgh, he doesn't seem to use commit messages :(
22:49:11num1tlhiv_laptop: Settings->General Settings->Database->Update now
22:50:19*bertrik is surprised by the USB current drawn by his c200 during charging. Max. I've measured is 353 mA with screen on, 318 mA with screen off
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22:53:07bluebroth3rdomonoky: nice: he applied my diff in FS #9179 but nobody said anything about :/ Going to close that task ...
22:53:48tlhiv_laptopnum1: updating didn't seem to work ... initializing did though (although it required a reboot)
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22:56:08num1I think, but I'm not sure that you can avoid the reboot by selecting the top option, load into ram
22:56:54bluebroth3rnum1: no, if you change that you need to reboot. Memory is only allocated upon startup
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22:56:59bluebroth3ras there is no malloc()
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22:59:46LambdaCalculus37domonoky: Ping!
23:00:15LambdaCalculus37Your most recent patch at FS #9210 failed to build.
23:01:08domonokyLambdaCalculus37: really ? bertrik got it to compile i think..
23:01:16bertrikI reverted keybox though
23:01:43LambdaCalculus37bertrik: Yes, I had a problem patching keybox as well.
23:02:32bertrikoh, it's just an $id$ in keybox, nothing that would prevent compilation
23:03:30LambdaCalculus37bertrik: Can you look at my pastebin above?
23:04:42LambdaCalculus37Also (and I know this is a silly question) did you use asap_codec.patch?
23:05:10bertrikNo, I used test-codec2.patch
23:05:19LambdaCalculus37I did, too.
23:05:59bertrikno idea what goes wrong for you, it works here, tried both make clean and make veryclean before building
23:06:24bertrikLambdaCalculus37, what target are you compiling for?
23:06:32LambdaCalculus37bertrik: Gigabeast.
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23:07:34domonokyhm, how should i handle subsongs ?
23:07:49domonokyand songs also can loop.. hm..
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23:08:04LambdaCalculus37domonoky: You could handle them similar to how it's done in SID and NSF files.
23:09:00bertrikJust tried building for gigabeat S, but the build fails in test_codec.c (CPUFREQ_MAX undeclared)
23:09:38LambdaCalculus37bertrik: Have you tried any other targets yet?
23:09:52LambdaCalculus37I'm going to try my iPod video instead.
23:09:53bertrikno, just beast and c200
23:10:01LambdaCalculus37Did it work on the c200?
23:10:29LambdaCalculus37Anyway, here's a pastebin of what happens when I patch:
23:11:16bertriklooks ok to me
23:11:31bluebrotherhandling subsongs like entries in a cuesheet would be kinda nice.
23:11:38*LambdaCalculus37 decides to try again on the c200 instead
23:11:54LambdaCalculus37bluebrother: Isn't that how the SID and NSF codecs handle subsongs?
23:12:58bluebrotherLambdaCalculus37: I don't think subsongs get displayed the same way (using small marks in the progress bar)
23:13:12bluebrotherbut I haven't tried for quite a while, could have changed ...
23:13:30LambdaCalculus37Crap, no dice again!
23:13:48*LambdaCalculus37 had another error when building asap.o
23:14:02bertrikcompiles fine here on e200 and ipod color too
23:14:16LambdaCalculus37What gives here? :?
23:15:42bertrikLambdaCalculus37, are you starting out with ../tools/configure and make clean?
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23:20:02bertrikhmm, maybe some file was left over from my previous attempt to patch that somehow got lost in the second patch...
23:24:16bertrikI get the same error after doing a clean patch
23:24:45LambdaCalculus37A fix may be in order.
23:25:14domonokythen you have to wait for may next try .. :-)
23:25:40LambdaCalculus37domonoky: It is said that the third time's the charm. ;)
23:26:08domonokyi cant do the same patch again, i still continue coding :-)
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23:26:32bertrikI can re-create the patch if LambdaCalculus37 really wants it
23:28:06LambdaCalculus37bertrik: Sounds good. :)
23:30:28bertrikOK, I'll post it in 10 minutes or so
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23:54:52bertrikOk, I've got it working again
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23:55:43num1240% longer than you said :)
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