| 00:00:48 | itcheg | not too bad as I prob. almost will always add the patches that I need/want |
| 00:02:12 | bluebrother | hehe ... in fact I checked about file formats for sudoku saves. |
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| 00:02:41 | bluebrother | unfortunately I haven't found out if this is somewhat compatible or if we are creating our own format now ... wouldn't want to do that. |
| 00:03:28 | itcheg | own as in per device or rockbox as opposed to others? |
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| 00:04:20 | BigBambi | Rockbox as opposed to something else |
| 00:04:48 | itcheg | that's what I thought, so why would it be that bad |
| 00:05:00 | itcheg | and can't you always change it if you find somehting better |
| 00:05:24 | itcheg | why is it better to not get a feature in than get it 100% right? |
| 00:05:24 | BigBambi | It would be nice to change formats randomly, thus making all earlier format files useless |
| 00:05:47 | BigBambi | And it would be nice to be compatible with an existing system, so that a wider range is available, easier to swap between etc |
| 00:06:14 | BigBambi | Because often if something goes in not right it doesn't get made right, it gets forgotten about |
| 00:06:24 | itcheg | well this patch is sitting to 2006 |
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| 00:06:36 | BigBambi | So if it won't go in until it is right, if someone wants it in they will do it right |
| 00:06:41 | itcheg | so I would say it's kind of forgoten |
| 00:06:54 | BigBambi | itcheg: Clearly no-one bothers enough to do it properly then |
| 00:07:06 | bluebrother | well, I was bothered with that issue like two years ago. Then I stopped playing sudoku :) |
| 00:07:30 | itcheg | I understand the thinking but if we wanted to do it 100% right 100% of the time you'll be left with nothing |
| 00:07:33 | bluebrother | I'm still kinda interested in getting it in, but first I need to figure if I want to go with the current save format. |
| 00:07:44 | BigBambi | itcheg: That clearly isn't true |
| 00:08:10 | itcheg | I'm no coder so my say doesn't matter much, just one mans opinion |
| 00:08:15 | bluebrother | well, the plugin itself is working right now. Question is, will we create a new incompatible format or not? |
| 00:08:31 | itcheg | I'm happy now thanks to bluebrother I have the feature |
| 00:08:40 | BigBambi | bluebrother: What are the other options? Is there a 'standard' format? |
| 00:09:08 | bluebrother | given the fact that I haven't found details about the way the already selected numbers are saved we could of course assume we already have our own file format version ... |
| 00:09:28 | bluebrother | BigBambi: well, there are several, and those come with several flavours. So ... |
| 00:09:33 | BigBambi | hmmm |
| 00:09:35 | itcheg | my argument is that it just seems like a shame that nothing was done for 2 years because there might be a better way |
| 00:10:06 | BigBambi | bluebrother: Perhaps just pick a major one that comes with gnome or something (assuming such a thing exists) |
| 00:10:07 | Llorean | What patch # are we talking about? |
| 00:10:08 | Bagder | itcheg: I'd say nothing was done for 2 years because nobody cares very much... |
| 00:10:35 | Llorean | itcheg: If people cared, they could overcome "there might be a better way" by either doing it a better way, or showing there isn't a better way. |
| 00:10:38 | itcheg | 5737 |
| 00:10:39 | Llorean | It's not a one-sided process |
| 00:10:44 | BigBambi | bluebrother: It might as well be compatible with an other, as opposed to creating another new one |
| 00:10:47 | bluebrother | also, the encoding I picked for the scratchpad was just something I found suitable that time −− but even back that time I wasn't too sure if the format was the best one. |
| 00:10:56 | itcheg | Llorean ^ |
| 00:11:37 | bluebrother | BigBambi: well, my idea was to add additional information after a ; at the end of the line and hope everyone who doesn't understand this just ignores it |
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| 00:12:09 | pixelma | bluebrother: wasn't the sudoku format derived from "Simple Sudoku" - hence the file extension and the hint to download its puzzle pack? |
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| 00:12:37 | BigBambi | I downloaded some puzzles in the past, I know that |
| 00:12:51 | pixelma | me too |
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| 00:12:57 | bluebrother | pixelma: yes. |
| 00:14:00 | BigBambi | Does Simple Sudoku allow saving of the scratchpad? /me goes to look |
| 00:14:11 | bluebrother | I don't think so |
| 00:14:14 | pixelma | would this mean testing in Simple Sudoku would be best |
| 00:14:17 | pixelma | ? |
| 00:14:28 | BigBambi | To see if it ignores the extras you mean? |
| 00:14:36 | linuxstb | IIRC, Simple Sudoku didn't have a scratchpad |
| 00:14:38 | pixelma | IIRC there is no scratchpad like that |
| 00:14:44 | BigBambi | That'd make sense - then at least they would still be compatible |
| 00:14:54 | bluebrother | good point. |
| 00:14:59 | pixelma | yes, that was my question |
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| 00:16:03 | n9xvt | is there any limits on the number of patches a person can apply? |
| 00:16:08 | BigBambi | nope |
| 00:16:15 | BigBambi | As long as they don't conflict |
| 00:16:31 | itcheg | There is a bug that I'm lazy to submit, to reproduce, add a nuber to the scratchpad that is wrong and choose reload, it locks the game up and you need to reset |
| 00:16:47 | itcheg | this had nothing to do with this patch, I tested it with and with out |
| 00:18:13 | BigBambi | pixelma, other manual people: Is there a define for portrait vs landscape displays? |
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| 00:19:32 | BigBambi | As I note that on portrait display manuals the scratchpad is referred to as "The thing on the left" whereas it should be something like "The thing underneath" |
| 00:19:36 | * | linuxstb spots the RSB results, thanks people, and also cynically wonders how the person counting the votes managed to finish top... ;) |
| 00:19:53 | markun | :) |
| 00:19:54 | BigBambi | Are, has that been done? |
| 00:20:06 | BigBambi | Is there going to be an announcement for us normals? |
| 00:20:11 | bluebrother | itcheg: you sure you haven't left the invalid number in the cell? |
| 00:20:13 | BigBambi | s/Are/Ah/ |
| 00:20:38 | Bagder | BigBambi: yes, that'll come "soon" |
| 00:20:45 | bluebrother | BigBambi: domonoky mentioned the winners earlier, and Bagder said he's planning to email -dev later |
| 00:20:52 | linuxstb | 23.02.46 # * domonoky applauds to Bagder,LinusN,linuxsts,Llorean and amiconn !! *cheers* :-) |
| 00:20:53 | * | bluebrother too slow |
| 00:21:00 | BigBambi | aha, cheers |
| 00:21:11 | bluebrother | who's cheers? |
| 00:22:09 | bluebrother | hmm, simple sudoku doesn't load the rb sudoku file. |
| 00:23:04 | pixelma | trying to load a Rockbox saved (without patch) but solved sudoku.ss gives me "this is not a valid Simple Sudoku file" |
| 00:23:08 | bluebrother | otoh, the saves aren't recognized too, so we are already incompatible. |
| 00:23:24 | rasher | Any objections to committing a langfile only 12-14% translated? (Indonesian - FS #8456) |
| 00:23:47 | linuxstb | rasher: That's a new language? |
| 00:23:48 | pixelma | it works when there is nothing filled out |
| 00:23:49 | rasher | It seems likely to get improved since both wpyh and zajacattack are around still |
| 00:23:55 | rasher | linuxstb: Yeah |
| 00:24:07 | bluebrother | so in that case compatibility isn't much of a concern to me anymore. |
| 00:24:48 | bluebrother | maybe not save scratchpad information if it hasn't been used ... |
| 00:25:32 | Llorean | rasher: Some of the translations look a little dubious to me. |
| 00:25:36 | bluebrother | so we even can create new puzzles that are compatible with simple sudoku |
| 00:25:52 | rasher | Llorean: Which, and why? |
| 00:26:09 | linuxstb | rasher: My initial reaction is to wait and see if they progress further. 12-14% seems quite low... |
| 00:26:13 | Llorean | rasher: I'm not sure if they're right or wrong, since I don't know the language well. But bookmarks is a literal translation (marks for books, I think), and "Off" is "Die" (which may also be "Kill") |
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| 00:26:45 | Llorean | So I'm not sure if the translations are going to be understandable by a native, or if they're translations made by someone with a dictionary. |
| 00:26:49 | pixelma | bluebrother: this way nothing would change compared to now... |
| 00:27:05 | bluebrother | right, so I'd be fine with it. |
| 00:27:14 | pixelma | I think so too |
| 00:27:25 | rasher | Llorean: wpyh has changed some - did you look at his file? |
| 00:27:35 | Llorean | rasher: Just looked at the last one in the tracker |
| 00:27:38 | Llorean | Or looking at, rather |
| 00:27:58 | bluebrother | I'll look at it the next days. Maybe I even get around looking at this "inline scratchpad" patch |
| 00:28:51 | Llorean | rasher: It's been over 15 years since I've even *seen* Indonesian. It may just be a case of "things don't translate well into this language" |
| 00:29:18 | Llorean | 10 years, sorry |
| 00:29:38 | rasher | The danish translation for bookmarks is "book + marks" as well |
| 00:30:08 | Llorean | Well, if wpyh is okay with it, they're probably fine. |
| 00:31:23 | bluebrother | anyway, time for some sleep now. cu guys |
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| 00:32:18 | rasher | Any thoughts on moving to 7zip or tar.bz2/tar.gz for distribution? Would allow non-ascii in filenames (I'm thinking languages here) |
| 00:33:15 | BigBambi | Plus would likely be a bit smaller filesize |
| 00:33:16 | rasher | Seeing as rbutil is getting better fast, the users who are likely to download Rockbox manually, are also increasingly likely to be fine with using an external program on Windows |
| 00:34:00 | rasher | BigBambi: I wonder if that matters much - is bandwidth likely to be a problem? |
| 00:34:26 | BigBambi | I don't think it is a big issue at all - just another tick in the plus column |
| 00:34:34 | BigBambi | I wouldn't change just for that |
| 00:34:41 | linuxstb | rasher: How does tar deal with non-ascii? |
| 00:34:56 | rasher | Hm, actually I don't know. |
| 00:35:35 | linuxstb | And can rbutil deal with 7zip? |
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| 00:36:51 | pixelma | I wouldn't be surprised if the current font of the default theme wouldn't contain the needed non-ascii chars... on many targets (all that use a different size than "helvR12"). Which reminds me... |
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| 00:37:20 | rasher | pixelma: which is why the filename should also include the English name of the language |
| 00:37:41 | rasher | linuxstb: It can't. It'd need to gain some code |
| 00:37:43 | saratoga | the new profile patch works great |
| 00:37:46 | saratoga | i'm going to commit it |
| 00:38:02 | pixelma | rasher: the filenames should then consist of 2 parts? |
| 00:38:13 | rasher | pixelma: That's what I figure |
| 00:38:42 | rasher | pixelma: FS #7637 |
| 00:38:55 | pixelma | still it would look odd if the filename isn't displayed correctly by default I think |
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| 00:39:24 | linuxstb | rasher: I meant to say "can rbutil be easily extended to deal with 7zip" ? |
| 00:39:49 | rasher | linuxstb: http://www.7-zip.org/sdk.html looks promising, but I'm not one to judge that |
| 00:41:58 | rasher | Probably not worth the hassle, just to display nicer language names. |
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| 00:48:01 | pixelma | hmm... looking at that list, suomi could be renamed without taking care of non-ascii chars IIUC |
| 00:48:15 | rasher | Yup |
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| 00:49:10 | rasher | Not quite sure why that hasn't been done. Maybe we should keep an empty "finnish.lang" with only the "Rockbox" string translated as "Your language is outdated" |
| 00:49:20 | rasher | So people notice they should switch langauge |
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| 00:55:25 | * | pixelma can't ignore that "paruski" suggestion though it already has been turned down... that would be the same as naming the English one inenglish.lang |
| 00:56:03 | rasher | I don't think we should romanize. |
| 00:57:34 | pixelma | yeah and it would also have been wrong in my eyes (few years of Russian in school though I didn't keep much, still can read it) |
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| 01:10:57 | kugel | JdGordon: Hey, have you already looked at FS #8799? |
| 01:11:39 | kugel | I'd like to get some feedback on that one |
| 01:13:42 | saratoga | how do I get the inline source code option in arm-elf-objdump to work? |
| 01:13:54 | saratoga | do i need to add a special flag to the makefile to get it to work? |
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| 01:20:06 | JdGordon | kugel: no, i havnt had much time for rockbox in a while |
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| 01:20:47 | JdGordon | kugel: ah, dont expect that to get much of a looking at before 3.0 ... |
| 01:22:27 | kugel | JdGordon: No hurry. But I think the latest version of the patch works very well, and I of course aim for getting it committed. I'd really like to hear opinions about it. Also, from what I've noticed, the feature is generally wanted by the users. |
| 01:22:43 | kugel | JdGordon: Sure, but there was no freeze yet, so I'm still hoping ;) |
| 01:24:00 | JdGordon | yes, I think it will be commited, but its a pretty "big" feature and will probably cause some problems which would delay it if it goes in right now... |
| 01:24:07 | Llorean | Even without a freeze, we shouldn't commit anything "risky" until after. |
| 01:24:43 | Llorean | If it does get committed, it probably just means that 3.0 will be branched from the build before it. We really don't want any experimental features at this point, while *after* 3.0 is the perfect time to put in possibly-buggy stuff |
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| 01:29:21 | kugel | I understand. But I wouldn't call it experimental anymore :) |
| 01:30:15 | rasher | Major new features not in SVN are pretty much by definition experimental |
| 01:31:28 | JdGordon | heck, even some of svn is still experimental :) |
| 01:31:48 | kugel | Okok :) |
| 01:32:05 | kugel | Anyway, I'd like to hear some comments on the way the patch works. |
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| 01:34:31 | kugel | JdGordon: BTW, MarcGuay tried the pictureflow patch and didn't have problems like you |
| 01:35:05 | MarcGuay | kugel: Had some quirks like I mentionned on the task but major functions were fine. |
| 01:35:30 | JdGordon | kugel: i'd be more insterested in getting pf fixed... maybe its a 64bit sim problem? |
| 01:35:48 | JdGordon | I doubt it.. but if i have time, and remmber, ill try it toinght on both my targets |
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| 01:38:32 | kugel | JdGordon: I don't think so. AFAIK I also ran it on my 64bit machine |
| 01:38:42 | kugel | AFAIR rather |
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| 03:42:49 | n9xvt | i'm haveing trouble compiling? |
| 03:45:37 | Unhelpful | you're going to need to be more specific, nobody knows how to help you from that, unfortunately. |
| 03:47:18 | n9xvt | when i go to configure it tells me that it cant find the configure file even though it's right there in the tools directory,, |
| 03:47:29 | * | MarcGuay wonders how long the H10 manuals have been brokened |
| 03:47:41 | n9xvt | all i wanted to do is try to add a couple of patches,,, |
| 03:49:24 | Llorean | n9xvt: You're going to need to be more precise still. Exact error messages, and exactly what you're typing. |
| 03:50:01 | Unhelpful | indeed |
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| 03:50:15 | Unhelpful | cut and paste is best, if possible |
| 03:51:31 | MarcGuay | Err, no select button on the H10? |
| 03:52:21 | n9xvt | this compilier wont let me cut and paste? |
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| 03:53:45 | n9xvt | bash: /tools/configure no such file or directory |
| 03:53:56 | MarcGuay | ../tools/configure |
| 03:54:02 | n9xvt | yes |
| 03:54:07 | MarcGuay | The two periods are important |
| 03:54:17 | n9xvt | ok,, |
| 03:54:37 | Unhelpful | well, it really depends on where you are relative to the src directory |
| 03:54:51 | Unhelpful | ../tools/configure only if you're in a subdirectory of the src |
| 03:54:56 | MarcGuay | If you're following a guide, it's probably that. |
| 03:55:01 | n9xvt | right,, |
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| 04:25:37 | n9xvt | aright ima givin up i think,,two of the patches have errors the make command produces errors,,,this needs to be easier |
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| 04:28:51 | MarcGuay | The patch −−binary -p0 < blah.diff is throwing hunks? |
| 04:29:02 | n9xvt | yes |
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| 04:29:52 | MarcGuay | Then the patches need to be updated because the code they were patched against has changed. You could fix them yourself or ask the original coder to update them. |
| 04:29:54 | Unhelpful | then your sources are broken, until you resolve the merge errors |
| 04:30:13 | Unhelpful | (unless you used −−dry-run) |
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| 09:34:14 | gammy | Good morning! |
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| 09:38:37 | LinusN | hmmm, i'm looking into the modulo bias issue in the playlist shuffling code |
| 09:39:06 | gammy | I wonder - does anyone know where I can find pictures of the iRiver iHP-1xx series? I'm planning on replacing the drive and would like to have a look at the connectors. A description of these would of course suffice as well :) |
| 09:39:26 | BigBambi | gammy: There was a good guide on the misticriver.net wiki |
| 09:40:17 | gammy | God I hate that flash menu |
| 09:40:19 | LinusN | my first attempt discards out-of-range numbers, but with the current shuffle algorithm, it needs to discard quite a few |
| 09:40:32 | crwll | gammy, http://www.misticriver.net/wiki/index.php/H1xx_Hard_Drive_Replacement |
| 09:40:47 | BigBambi | There you go :) |
| 09:40:49 | gammy | Ahh |
| 09:40:54 | gammy | That was fast! :) |
| 09:41:00 | LinusN | probably not even noticeable in real life, but still... |
| 09:41:14 | crwll | i had it in my page history as i just replaced the battery on my h120 last week :) |
| 09:41:19 | gammy | Ah |
| 09:41:21 | gammy | Excellent |
| 09:41:28 | gammy | crwll: How much more time do you get? I |
| 09:41:36 | gammy | crwll: I am still quite happy with the original battery time! |
| 09:42:01 | crwll | it was my third battery now |
| 09:42:10 | gammy | crwll: The plan for me is to replace the drive with a compact flash card |
| 09:42:13 | gammy | crwll: Really? |
| 09:42:26 | crwll | the original battery was quite fine after about 1,5 years when i replaced it in late 2005 (or so) with a 2200 mAh noname battery from ebay |
| 09:42:27 | gammy | crwll: For some incredibly odd reason my battery doesn't seem to get worse through the years |
| 09:42:46 | crwll | the 2200 mAh battery was still doing pretty good but for some reason it refused to charge anymore, so i replaced it again |
| 09:43:06 | crwll | i suspect i'm getting much over 20 hours runtime now |
| 09:43:53 | * | GodEater has never come close to running out of battery on his H140 now it has a 2200mAh battery in it |
| 09:43:53 | gammy | this is this batteries fith year I suppose |
| 09:43:59 | GodEater | I've no idea how long it lasts now |
| 09:44:05 | gammy | You could indeed say that I am impressed |
| 09:44:11 | gammy | however I don't think I get over 14 hours |
| 09:44:17 | gammy | But still. :) |
| 09:44:22 | crwll | GodEater, i ran batterybench with a 2200 mAh battery when it had been in use for a little over a year, i think i got something like 26 hours out of it |
| 09:44:51 | GodEater | crwll: that's pretty good :) |
| 09:45:08 | gammy | Is there any way from software to check the battery capacity? |
| 09:45:11 | GodEater | I only use my H140 in the car now, so it doesn't get the "exercise" my other targets do |
| 09:45:28 | crwll | still after almost 3 years the 2200 mAh battery was going strong and could keep at least >10 hours of charge (i never ran out of charge either) but then it suddenly refused to charge (the led was just blinking no matter what) so i had to replace it |
| 09:45:49 | crwll | and it was no big deal to replace it as a replacement battery cost something like 14 EUR, including shipping... |
| 09:45:52 | GodEater | crwll: that's what happened to my original battery too |
| 09:46:07 | Slasheri | crwll: nice, i have also replaced to 2200 mAh battery because mine refused to get charge too. now the H140 is working great again |
| 09:46:12 | gammy | crwll: Really? Where did you get it from? Maybe I should get a replacement battery at the same time as the CF |
| 09:46:30 | crwll | gammy, i just searched on ebay |
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| 09:46:39 | gammy | Aw. |
| 09:46:52 | gammy | crwll: Oh you're in finland |
| 09:46:55 | crwll | there are shops from china / hong kong selling batteries that fit directly to the h100 series without needing to change the wires like in ipod batteries |
| 09:46:57 | crwll | yep |
| 09:47:01 | gammy | crwll: Finnish ebay or US? |
| 09:47:01 | GodEater | gammy: most 2200mAh batteries you find on the internet are designed for the first / second generation ipods |
| 09:47:14 | GodEater | this means you have to swap the polarity on them if you fit one in an H100 |
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| 09:47:53 | crwll | GodEater, ebay isn't localised to finland, but all the ebays are the same to my understanding, they just differ in default geographical search area and currency |
| 09:48:00 | gammy | GodEater: Doesn't sound too dreadful I suppose |
| 09:48:11 | Slasheri | gammy: for small orders US ebay works great (no customs). For big orders, .co.uk or .de (no customs either in EU) |
| 09:48:33 | gammy | The problem with most US/co/de sellers is that they don't bloody ship to Sweden :) |
| 09:48:35 | crwll | gammy, i think it was this seller: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2200mAh-HI-BATTERY-FOR-iRiver-H110-H120-H140-H320-H340_W0QQitemZ360072076392QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item360072076392&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318 |
| 09:49:03 | Slasheri | gammy: you need to ask for shipping charges. most of them do ship after that |
| 09:49:11 | crwll | they don't have very good feedback though, but i'm not too rigorous when it comes to low value orders like this |
| 09:49:12 | gammy | A-ha. |
| 09:49:50 | BigBambi | gammy: I get over 29 hrs out of my H140 with a 2200 mAh battery |
| 09:50:07 | crwll | this battery wasn't even a complete noname battery like my first 2200 mAh battery was, the manufacturer was "Cameron Sino" (i have no idea if it's a respectable brand, though) |
| 09:50:13 | gammy | Haha what |
| 09:50:16 | gammy | How can it be five quid |
| 09:50:27 | BigBambi | crwll: It is |
| 09:50:39 | gammy | ÂŁ3.99 as a buy now price |
| 09:50:41 | gammy | that's crazy! |
| 09:50:55 | gammy | I can even just have a british mate get that for me and send it over in an envelope |
| 09:51:09 | BigBambi | Indeed, but there is always a danger with no name ones that they might balloon |
| 09:51:20 | gammy | Balloon you say. |
| 09:51:28 | BigBambi | yes... |
| 09:51:36 | crwll | another 2200 mAh noname battery my friend had his battery balloon |
| 09:51:39 | gammy | Not sure about what that means, but it doesn't sound very good :). |
| 09:51:39 | crwll | mine didn't, luckily |
| 09:51:49 | gammy | BigBambi: You mean it bloats up? |
| 09:51:49 | BigBambi | gammy: Expand a lot |
| 09:51:51 | crwll | well, the battery swelled noticeably |
| 09:51:54 | BigBambi | like a balloon |
| 09:52:01 | gammy | Wow that's poopy. |
| 09:52:12 | crwll | and then it caused problems to the HD, it refused to spin up |
| 09:52:14 | gammy | However what does that imply in reality? |
| 09:52:44 | crwll | it didn't break his player though, he just replaced the battery again (and i think the battery kept swelling when it was out of the case) |
| 09:52:53 | BigBambi | gammy: What do you mean? |
| 09:53:02 | crwll | ...he broke his player with the more classical way - using a Nokia charger |
| 09:53:22 | BigBambi | It means that it presses on other parts, possibly damaging them, as well as possibly causing other electrical related problems |
| 09:53:31 | BigBambi | crwll: Far too common that |
| 09:53:35 | crwll | BigBambi, yep |
| 09:53:43 | crwll | i'm lucky i've never had nokia phones :) |
| 09:53:45 | gammy | BigBambi: Swelling to some extent is (presumably) normal |
| 09:53:53 | BigBambi | I wouldn't say so, no |
| 09:54:05 | BigBambi | It should stay the same size |
| 09:54:08 | BigBambi | It is quite a tight fit in there |
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| 09:54:35 | gammy | Well I mean all batteries swell at extremes |
| 09:54:39 | gammy | Nothing odd about that |
| 09:54:45 | JdGordon | can anyone test out fs#8335? |
| 09:54:58 | JdGordon | patch for pictureflow |
| 09:55:05 | gammy | BigBambi: But - so what you're saying is an unhealthy expansion :) |
| 09:55:05 | BigBambi | gammy: They shouldn't in normal use, not noticably anyway |
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| 09:55:11 | gammy | Yeah |
| 09:56:01 | gammy | So, I wonder, where do I find a more "posh" battery at a reasonable price? |
| 09:56:29 | BigBambi | ebay also is good, but look for something like cameron sino |
| 09:56:35 | crwll | the link i posted should be fine, it's a brand name battery |
| 09:56:43 | gammy | crwll: Oh? |
| 09:56:43 | crwll | or at least i got one |
| 09:56:45 | gammy | Was it? |
| 09:56:53 | gammy | I couldn't see a brand |
| 09:57:18 | crwll | indeed it doesn't seem to say it |
| 09:58:26 | crwll | there's "sino_battery" written in the picture in the auction page, but not much else |
| 09:58:30 | gammy | however their url (stores.ebay.com/SINO-BATTERY) certainly implies 'sino' |
| 09:58:36 | gammy | Yeah |
| 09:58:44 | gammy | Presumably a ploy. |
| 09:58:55 | gammy | 365 days warranty. Hmm. |
| 09:59:26 | crwll | i just checked, that was the seller i bought my battery from |
| 09:59:29 | BigBambi | Could I shove this into #rockbox-community - I think we are getting a little off-topic now |
| 09:59:40 | gammy | Oh I'm sorry |
| 09:59:43 | gammy | I didn't know it existed. |
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| 10:00:01 | BigBambi | No problem (check out the channel topic though) :) |
| 10:00:03 | crwll | sure :) |
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| 13:30:51 | LinusN | that is true |
| 13:31:22 | LinusN | call it a safety measure if you like |
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| 13:39:36 | LinusN | ReKleSS: yes i did, but i haven't had much success using it :-( |
| 13:39:51 | MarcGuay | Thanks guys. |
| 13:40:09 | ReKleSS | ah |
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| 15:20:57 | JdGordon | kugel: well... it depends on what you want the patch to do... |
| 15:21:19 | JdGordon | I think what I suggested is far more flexible than what your patch is... |
| 15:22:42 | kugel | I think just including list.h to get the dimensions is flexible as well. Adding the possibilty to have alternating dimensions for different screens (especially without the ability to change the backdrop as well) just adds complexity and is IMHO just not worth it |
| 15:23:28 | kugel | I didn't ever feel like having other dimensions for the quickscreen than for the list |
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| 15:25:23 | kugel | JdGordon|uni: Have you read my messages? |
| 15:25:37 | JdGordon|uni | yeah, mibbit shows the last fdew messages :) |
| 15:26:00 | JdGordon|uni | I'm just saying that if we are going to do this.. we may as well overdo it.. |
| 15:26:22 | JdGordon|uni | having the ability to put the QS in an artibrary rectangle that isnt related to the list makes sense |
| 15:26:32 | JdGordon|uni | if the user wants it in the same rect then so be it.. |
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| 15:27:21 | kugel | JdGordon|uni: I rather keep it simple. Imho it's very unlikely that the user chooses other dimensions for other contexts |
| 15:27:33 | JdGordon | why? |
| 15:27:45 | kugel | because the backdrop is the same |
| 15:27:53 | JdGordon | why? |
| 15:28:02 | JdGordon | and its not about the background anyway... |
| 15:28:26 | JdGordon | you could make it look like the context menu is more like a overlapped menu |
| 15:28:37 | kugel | I want my patch to offer one custom vp, which is (in the best case) always used when the backdrop is shown |
| 15:29:12 | JdGordon | I know.... I'm saying that thats pretty limiting |
| 15:29:23 | JdGordon | when the bin difference would be negligable |
| 15:30:04 | kugel | You call it limiting, I call it "keep it simply for the users (and for me too)" |
| 15:30:11 | kugel | simple* |
| 15:30:44 | JdGordon | the complexity difference is negligable also |
| 15:31:20 | kugel | Not if the user has to create loads of files to apply the same dimensions for all the contexts |
| 15:31:59 | JdGordon | what I meant was aa single file that contained every viewport definition |
| 15:32:10 | JdGordon | -a |
| 15:33:24 | kugel | JdGordon: Well, I actually don't want the patch to work this way. But the framework you've mentioned is actually already there. With the viewport_parse_viewport function you can parse any vp string |
| 15:34:05 | JdGordon | even simpler than that... viewport_load_default() could do it easily without any extra changes |
| 15:34:35 | JdGordon | chanigng the topic.... pf needs fixing.. have you seen my comment? |
| 15:34:42 | kugel | Sure |
| 15:35:33 | kugel | Is your album art all like "cover.100x100.bmp"?# |
| 15:35:46 | JdGordon | yes |
| 15:36:13 | JdGordon | ideally, the aa searching function should check all cover.*.bmp files up to a maximum specified size |
| 15:36:21 | kugel | mine is only cover.bmp, since I use bmp resize in my build. (That does NOT mean that I tried my patch only with my build) |
| 15:36:36 | JdGordon | but even fixing that call, it still wouldnt work which was irritating |
| 15:37:02 | JdGordon | bmp resize shuold get commited.. or fixed so it could be |
| 15:37:21 | kugel | yea |
| 15:37:50 | kugel | but the current bmp resize patch adds a giant bin size delta |
| 15:38:28 | JdGordon | and IMO that is no excuse :p |
| 15:38:58 | JdGordon | especially when it probably doesnt make sense on the current bin limited targets |
| 15:40:06 | kugel | You don't need to convince me, I was always in favor of bmp resize :P |
| 15:40:26 | JdGordon | arnt there code issues with it atm thoguh? |
| 15:42:36 | kugel | I didn't experience any flaws |
| 15:43:11 | JdGordon | no, I mean problems with how it does it or something? |
| 15:44:28 | kugel | Not that I know of. The only thing I think I remember is that algorithm does a bit more than we want (e.g. scaling in one direction, imho this is not needed) |
| 15:45:08 | kugel | the rb->search_albumart_files looks weird to me. Why does it need a filename pattern? |
| 15:45:27 | * | JdGordon doesnt know |
| 15:46:08 | kugel | imho it should automatically use the priority list |
| 15:50:24 | Nico_P | kugel: the "filename pattern" is a string with the size |
| 15:51:02 | Nico_P | take a look at the implementation (apps/recorder/albumart.c) |
| 15:51:14 | JdGordon | we cant get it to just check every file which starts with cover. and get the largest one under the specified size? |
| 15:52:06 | Nico_P | that would be much more intensive |
| 15:52:19 | JdGordon | not really... a few extra string compares |
| 15:52:43 | kugel | Nico_P: I know. I meant rb->search_albumart_files() should not need such a pattern, but search for all possibly covers by default (so, cover.bmp, cover.XXxXX.bmp, <title>.bmp and so on) |
| 15:53:00 | Nico_P | you'd need to get all the files in the dir and check their names, then find out their size |
| 15:53:24 | JdGordon | the first part yes... but assume the size int he file name is correct |
| 15:53:40 | Nico_P | sometimes the size isn't in the file name |
| 15:55:05 | kugel | Nico_P: i'd take this priority http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt#How_To_Use_Album_Art , and only compare sizes if cover.XXxXX.bmps where found |
| 15:55:08 | Nico_P | I know having to specify a size isn't ideal, but I didn't think looking at all the files was acceptable... maybe there's a nice way to do it though |
| 15:55:23 | Nico_P | kugel: how do you find them efficiently? |
| 15:55:55 | kugel | the same way the normal implementation does it |
| 15:56:57 | Nico_P | I'm not exactly clear on what you mean... long time since I haven't looked at that code |
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| 15:57:25 | kugel | Anyway, the current implementation in pf together with my patch doesn't seem to find JdGordon's cover.100x100.bmp files |
| 15:57:41 | kugel | while the svn pf does |
| 15:58:08 | PeterVasilevskiy | Hello! Could you give me permission to edit wiki pages. wiki name PeterVasilevskiy |
| 15:58:26 | BigBambi | What are you planning to edit? |
| 15:58:59 | PeterVasilevskiy | Well ofcourse the meizu m6 port page |
| 15:59:02 | PeterVasilevskiy | i am vcf |
| 15:59:12 | PeterVasilevskiy | form the rockbox forums |
| 15:59:22 | BigBambi | a) I didn't know your nick, b) I don't know vcf |
| 15:59:36 | BigBambi | So the of course seems a bit out of place :) |
| 15:59:45 | markun | PeterVasilevskiy: hi! |
| 15:59:49 | PeterVasilevskiy | hi! |
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| 16:00:06 | BigBambi | PeterVasilevskiy: Promise not to spam now :) |
| 16:00:39 | PeterVasilevskiy | <BigBambi> I Promise =) |
| 16:00:45 | BigBambi | OK, edit away |
| 16:00:52 | PeterVasilevskiy | thanks |
| 16:00:57 | BigBambi | no problem |
| 16:01:28 | PeterVasilevskiy | <markun> i want to edit the wiki page cause its out of date |
| 16:03:30 | PeterVasilevskiy | <markun> there is no info about that we have the specs of cpu as well |
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| 16:04:01 | rasher | markun: Are you our font-rendering person? |
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| 16:04:43 | rasher | markun: Have you seen FS #8491? |
| 16:04:57 | markun | at this moment I'm not much of a rockbox person.. :( |
| 16:05:02 | markun | busy with other things |
| 16:06:03 | PeterVasilevskiy | <markun> i see. i will try to do what i can |
| 16:06:17 | markun | PeterVasilevskiy: which IRC client are you using? |
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| 16:07:02 | markun | it looks like you are quoting people because it types the name <like this> |
| 16:07:28 | PeterVasilevskiy | markun ah |
| 16:07:59 | PeterVasilevskiy | markun i use the rockbox web client. |
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| 17:51:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: Still here? |
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| 18:04:23 | crwl | any ideas, why my new sansa e280 refuses to load any wps's (themes load ok, but wps stays at the default) |
| 18:04:52 | GodEater | because the themes you're trying are still "broken" (using the pre June 23rd syntax) |
| 18:05:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | Look for themes that have been updated after June 23rd. Those will work. |
| 18:05:21 | GodEater | or should do :P |
| 18:05:41 | rasher | LambdaCalculus37: Barely |
| 18:05:51 | crwl | ah. any suggestions? :) |
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| 18:06:08 | GodEater | crwl: LamdaCalculs37 just made one... |
| 18:06:13 | GodEater | or else you could fix them yourself |
| 18:06:20 | GodEater | instructions are still in the sticky in the forums |
| 18:06:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: Regarding a few of the lang files... I noticed something peculiar about the strings, as per your translation page. Here's an example: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/?cmd=edit&lang=portugues |
| 18:07:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | It looks like a few of the strings are in the wrong place. |
| 18:08:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | If that's the case, I'll set out to fix the strings at lunch and submit a patch later. |
| 18:09:17 | rasher | I don't have time to check that right now, sorry |
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| 18:11:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: No worries. I'll look into it further to see if there's some fixing to be done. |
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| 18:21:18 | rasher | LambdaCalculus37: Ah yes, but that'd be the same if you did it using genlang, I'm pretty sure. It's because the string got moved into a feature section from * |
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| 18:30:39 | crwl | does it make sense to use dircache on a flash target like e280? (does it help eg. database refreshing speed?) |
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| 19:14:02 | Strife89 | LambdaCalculus37: Just so I'm clear on it, what exactly are the "kinks" in the USB driver? |
| 19:15:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: There are still some risks with corruption of the volume when writing. |
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| 19:15:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | I don't know how severe they are, but IIRC they were mostly present when using the higher speed USB driver. |
| 19:16:31 | Strife89 | Corruption of the volume, eh? Are we talking about just files, or the entire file system? |
| 19:16:40 | GodEater_ | and mostly on sdhc cards too |
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| 19:16:45 | GodEater_ | the file system |
| 19:16:55 | Strife89 | Ouch. |
| 19:17:09 | GodEater_ | fairly rare though |
| 19:17:21 | GodEater_ | I've been using the rockbox usb stack for months, and it's never happened to me |
| 19:17:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | Same here. |
| 19:17:50 | Strife89 | I'm considering enabling low-speed USB so I can update Rockbox and transfer small files without much hassle. |
| 19:18:12 | GodEater_ | you won't get "low speed" - you'll get "full speed" |
| 19:18:20 | GodEater_ | which confusingly, is slower than "high speed" :) |
| 19:18:33 | bertrik | AFAIK gevaerts fixed the flash corruption that was related to the extra bytes written to the flash |
| 19:19:00 | Strife89 | Well, you knew what I meant. I try to use the right terms, but you're right: it's confusing. |
| 19:19:31 | GodEater_ | bertrik: really? |
| 19:19:38 | GodEater_ | then why haven't we enabled it by default yet ? |
| 19:19:55 | bertrik | I'll have a quick search in the commit logs |
| 19:19:56 | Strife89 | bertrik: Really? When did that happen? |
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| 19:20:56 | bertrik | just before he went on holiday |
| 19:21:04 | itcheg | does rpress show much here in irc? |
| 19:21:17 | GodEater_ | who ? |
| 19:21:24 | itcheg | Ryan Press |
| 19:21:33 | itcheg | I guess not |
| 19:21:34 | GodEater_ | never seen him while I'm online |
| 19:21:39 | GodEater_ | but I'm not here 24/7 |
| 19:21:56 | itcheg | ok he has a patch on Ipod accessory protocal |
| 19:22:14 | itcheg | how some questions/comments for him |
| 19:22:24 | itcheg | s/how/had |
| 19:23:11 | GodEater_ | I'd post them on the patch |
| 19:23:32 | itcheg | don't have a login lazy to set one up |
| 19:24:09 | GodEater_ | not a good attitude |
| 19:24:16 | itcheg | I know |
| 19:24:21 | itcheg | but lazy I am |
| 19:24:45 | bertrik | gevaerts made a fix that to avoid overlapping USB transactions and SD writes, 9-11 july, around svn version 18000 |
| 19:25:04 | GodEater_ | he did that very quietly |
| 19:32:39 | bertrik | There's still a problem with a USB hub of amiconn's that causes reset with RB USB, but works fine with the OF |
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| 19:33:09 | bertrik | At least, that's the last I remember reading of it |
| 19:34:07 | Strife89 | bertrik: "causes reset"? |
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| 19:37:32 | bertrik | USB resets |
| 19:37:55 | Strife89 | The "unplug-replug" effect? |
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| 19:38:44 | Strife89 | That's happened with the OF, for me. |
| 19:40:17 | GodEater_ | Strife89: not quite no |
| 19:41:16 | Strife89 | GodEater: Do tell. :) |
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| 19:42:39 | GodEater_ | as an end user you probably wouldn't notice the resets |
| 19:42:45 | GodEater_ | except as poor performance perhaps |
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| 19:43:59 | Strife89 | Guess I'll take the plunge and try it. |
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| 19:48:21 | * | bertrik hears "loading" twice when loading a plugin |
| 19:48:39 | * | GodEater_ doesn't use voice |
| 19:49:29 | * | LambdaCalculus37 neither |
| 19:50:23 | * | bertrik likes to have stuff work even if he doesn't use it personally |
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| 20:03:47 | bluebrother | domonoky: any response from your student regarding your not-so-nice mail? |
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| 20:04:09 | domonoky | nto till now.. :-/ |
| 20:04:15 | domonoky | s/nto/not |
| 20:04:22 | bluebrother | doesn't sound good :( |
| 20:11:30 | * | bluebrother thinks we should get a codename for 3.0 |
| 20:11:46 | GodEater_ | "Big Fish, Little Fish, Cardboard Box" |
| 20:12:03 | BigBambi | BoS? |
| 20:12:07 | bluebrother | :) |
| 20:12:10 | num1 | "Rockbox 3.0" |
| 20:12:34 | * | GodEater_ thinks BigBambi's is the clear winner |
| 20:12:40 | BigBambi | \o/ |
| 20:12:43 | bluebrother | and for later releases make every new code name have a part in common with the old one. That's a quite funny thing :) |
| 20:13:22 | GodEater_ | we just need variations on the word "Bag" |
| 20:13:27 | GodEater_ | we can go for "sack" |
| 20:13:28 | BigBambi | Sack |
| 20:13:34 | BigBambi | You win this time |
| 20:14:06 | BigBambi | When (if) Rockbox gets too bloated we can go for Suitcase |
| 20:14:11 | GodEater_ | pouch |
| 20:14:14 | bluebrother | "shit was last release" |
| 20:14:16 | GodEater_ | holdall |
| 20:14:21 | BigBambi | Rucksack |
| 20:14:23 | GodEater_ | skip |
| 20:14:28 | BigBambi | haha |
| 20:14:30 | bluebrother | Rockbox 3.0 "switch hold off" |
| 20:14:41 | bluebrother | "skipless playback" |
| 20:14:53 | GodEater_ | nice |
| 20:14:55 | domonoky | "rockbox 3.0 with Doom" :-) |
| 20:15:07 | num1 | "Write it yourself" |
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| 20:15:29 | num1 | "Think of your own damn codename" (TOYODC) |
| 20:15:43 | BigBambi | Rockbox 3.0 - RTFM |
| 20:15:52 | bluebrother | that's a nice one as well. |
| 20:16:17 | bluebrother | "3.0 −− now heavily loaded (with games)" |
| 20:16:51 | domonoky | "3.0 −− rocks for sure" :- |
| 20:16:57 | bluebrother | hehe :) |
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| 20:17:30 | bluebrother | "beat the player" |
| 20:17:42 | num1 | How'd long it take to move from rockbox, "box of rocks" to BoS? :) |
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| 20:17:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rockbox 3.0 "Bomb More Bass" |
| 20:18:43 | bluebrother | "themes are broken" |
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| 20:19:31 | bluebrother | or ... "the themes they are a-changing" |
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| 20:20:25 | bertrik | "Man, it's so loud in here" |
| 20:20:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | "Loud Like Nature" |
| 20:21:57 | toffe82 | LoudBy Nature |
| 20:22:07 | toffe82 | loud by ^^ |
| 20:22:38 | bluebrother | "unlimited playback" |
| 20:22:49 | bluebrother | "beware of the bugs" |
| 20:22:56 | BigBambi | "You are welcome to a full refund" |
| 20:22:59 | domonoky | hm, shouldnt a "codename" be more like a name ? somethink like: "3.0 Codename: Icebreaker" |
| 20:24:04 | scorche|sh | we need to come up with some sort of theme...such as debian's is toy story characters, etc |
| 20:24:31 | bluebrother | bagders! |
| 20:24:34 | scorche|sh | species of badgers? |
| 20:24:37 | scorche|sh | hahaha |
| 20:24:55 | bluebrother | or something like "Amarok 1.4.9.1 - a we still love you release" |
| 20:24:57 | toffe82 | "cool as beer" |
| 20:25:06 | * | domonoky wants different releases like: rockbox 3.0 basic, 3.0 professional and of course "rockbox 3.0 server edition" :-) |
| 20:25:06 | scorche|sh | ooo...varieties of beer might work |
| 20:25:14 | bluebrother | "Rockbox 3.0 −− beer is always on topic" |
| 20:25:17 | * | bertrik likes beer varieties |
| 20:25:23 | BigBambi | Beer! |
| 20:25:27 | bluebrother | rockbox 3.0 beer edition |
| 20:25:41 | scorche|sh | Rockbox 3.0 Trappist |
| 20:25:54 | toffe82 | rockbox 3.0 lambic edition |
| 20:26:03 | scorche|sh | there are lots of beer names to supply us too => |
| 20:26:09 | BigBambi | yay! |
| 20:26:16 | * | domonoky wants rockbox 3.0 "oktoberfest edition" :-) |
| 20:26:25 | * | bluebrother likes "Hoepfner" pretty much (a local beer) |
| 20:26:37 | toffe82 | we are better than ubuntu with this |
| 20:26:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rockbox 3.0 "Delicious Duvel"! :) |
| 20:26:59 | bluebrother | but beer would be a great theme for naming :) |
| 20:27:12 | scorche|sh | "As a tribute to the thing that makes Rockbox possible, we have decided to name all Rockbox releases after varieties of beer." |
| 20:27:19 | BigBambi | hehe |
| 20:27:22 | bluebrother | cool. |
| 20:27:28 | domonoky | :-) |
| 20:27:29 | * | bluebrother would kinda like that |
| 20:27:29 | BigBambi | Rockbox: Powered by beer |
| 20:28:00 | bluebrother | "crafted with the help of beer" |
| 20:28:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Now who's going to work on that beer plugin for Rockbox? :P |
| 20:29:54 | toffe82 | this one : http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/lyrics.html |
| 20:30:57 | scorche|sh | perhaps i should write up a proposal on the dev-ml to have the releases named after beer varieties and perhaps lay down some sort of way we can agree on names? =P |
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| 20:31:53 | bluebrother | grrr. stupid router. |
| 20:32:02 | toffe82 | yes |
| 20:32:33 | bluebrother | scorche|sh: good idea. |
| 20:32:46 | * | scorche|sh puts it on the list |
| 20:34:19 | bluebrother | hehe: http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-c-820.html |
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| 20:46:01 | Strife89 | Say I just made a build with USB enabled. As long as the revisions are the same, I only NEED to copy the .mi4 file, right? |
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| 20:46:31 | GodEater_ | Strife89: we never recommend that approach |
| 20:46:39 | GodEater_ | always take the entire zip |
| 20:46:47 | Strife89 | Alrighty, then. |
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| 20:56:56 | Plouj | is sansa e200 a good buy if I want a good rockbox flash based player? |
| 20:57:05 | Plouj | it seems a bit expensive at a local store: http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=010803&cid=MP.29 |
| 20:58:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Plouj: It's a decent flash-based player, but this is a better deal (and guaranteed to get you a v1): http://www.froobi.com/SanDisk-Sansa-e270-6GB-MP3-Media-Player-w-FMVoice-Recorder-Factory-Recertified-Rockbox-Ready_p_0-32282.html |
| 20:58:23 | domonoky | Plouj: with the sansas you have to make sure dont get a "v2" model, rockbox doesnt work on these.. |
| 20:58:48 | tehpaper | can you downgrade the firmware? |
| 20:58:54 | tehpaper | i got a 260 coming in |
| 20:59:10 | Plouj | heh, shipping to canada will be a killer |
| 20:59:11 | domonoky | tehpaper: nope the "v2" has different hardware inside.. |
| 20:59:16 | scorche|sh | tehpaper: it isnt a firmware thing...completely different hardware |
| 20:59:26 | tehpaper | and that froobi one costs less than the one i got |
| 20:59:42 | tehpaper | and 2gig larger |
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| 21:00:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | tehpaper: And they're v1's. |
| 21:00:32 | tehpaper | teh 260s? |
| 21:00:37 | tehpaper | or this 270 |
| 21:00:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | The e270 I showed you. |
| 21:00:54 | Strife89 | Hence the "Rockbox Ready". :) |
| 21:01:02 | tehpaper | nice to see its $15 off if you put in rockbox |
| 21:01:10 | tehpaper | for the cupon code |
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| 21:06:21 | Plouj | what's the diff between 260 and 270? |
| 21:06:55 | BigBambi | 2 GB |
| 21:07:23 | Plouj | http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3402958&CatId=2761 |
| 21:07:28 | BigBambi | e260 = 4GB, e270 = 6 GB |
| 21:07:33 | Plouj | given that I can use an SD card, it's ok |
| 21:07:37 | Plouj | that's a cheap price |
| 21:07:51 | Strife89 | Law of Buying Storage: Always buy way more than you think you'll ever need. |
| 21:09:02 | Plouj | does the SD card stick out a lot when inserted? |
| 21:09:05 | BigBambi | no |
| 21:09:06 | Strife89 | No |
| 21:09:12 | Plouj | anyone else? |
| 21:09:12 | BigBambi | It is a micro sd card |
| 21:09:14 | Plouj | :p |
| 21:09:23 | BigBambi | It is tiny, and it goes in completely |
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| 21:12:50 | Strife89 | Again, my advice is to buy more storage than you think you'll need. |
| 21:12:50 | Strife89 | Were it not for Rockbox, I wouldn't have a 260 MB chiptune collection. |
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| 21:21:49 | Plouj | Strife89: are you suggesting that I buy a player with already a lot of storage or just a lot of storage in general (including add-on cards)? |
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| 21:23:09 | Plouj | am I wrong in looking only at flash based players for longer-lasting solutions? |
| 21:23:32 | Strife89 | Buy a DAP with a lot of internal storage, then buy a big card if/when you decide to. |
| 21:23:48 | Strife89 | Hard drive players probably last longer. |
| 21:23:54 | Plouj | what's a dap? |
| 21:24:01 | Strife89 | digital audio player |
| 21:24:05 | Plouj | why do you think that dd players last longer? |
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| 21:24:10 | Plouj | hdd* |
| 21:24:28 | Strife89 | Flash has a limited number of read/write operations. |
| 21:24:52 | Strife89 | Longest estimated life of flash is about 10 years on average. |
| 21:25:20 | Strife89 | On the other hand, HDD based players are subject to damage from shock, etc. |
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| 21:25:34 | domonoky | the harddrives also a limited lifetime.. and they are sensible to shock.. but they are much bigger :-) |
| 21:25:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | It also depends on how well you take care of your DAPs. |
| 21:25:58 | bertrik | Strife89, where did you get that 10 years average flash lifetime figure? |
| 21:26:08 | crwl | has anyone actually worn out a flash drive? especially in a dap type usage where you read often and don't write all that often |
| 21:26:22 | Strife89 | bertrik: I don't remember. Too high? |
| 21:26:26 | scorche|sh | crwl: good luck with that... |
| 21:27:02 | scorche|sh | Strife89: it isnt anywhere near as limited as people tend to say it is |
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| 21:29:48 | Galois | wow, that's a great deal on the e270. |
| 21:29:49 | * | Galois buys one |
| 21:30:10 | crwl | too bad they don't ship outside the states |
| 21:30:28 | crwl | i think i paid about double for my e280, but that doesn't seem that bad either |
| 21:31:00 | Galois | yeah, I'll have to ship to my homies in the US, no big deal |
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| 21:34:47 | Strife89 | Hmmmm. I've made and installed a build with USB enabled, but it still reboots to the Sansa OF. Any ideas how to make that stop? |
| 21:36:15 | bluebrother | you sure you did a full rebuild? Tried a make clean already? |
| 21:36:56 | Strife89 | didn't think about a make clean |
| 21:37:30 | bluebrother | if you put the options in CCOPTS it's quite possible the make system didn't notice that change. Not exactly sure about that though. |
| 21:37:46 | bluebrother | but doing a full rebuild is usually a good idea :) |
| 21:39:22 | Strife89 | All I did was this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17947.msg131005#msg131005 |
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| 21:40:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: Do a make clean, then edit the Makefile and add the line before you start compiling. |
| 21:41:16 | Strife89 | Linux Torvalds doesn't flush. He just says "make clean". :D |
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| 21:41:31 | Strife89 | *Linus |
| 21:42:39 | * | bluebrother prefers to add the defines to config-<foo>.h |
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| 21:44:12 | fml | Hello. Could an expert tell me if the approach described in http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17718.msg130903#msg130903 would be a (or the) right one? |
| 21:44:28 | fml | If yes, I'd try to implement the feature. |
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| 21:48:36 | alex_dinamo | hello guys |
| 21:48:49 | alex_dinamo | I just installed rockbox but need some help :( |
| 21:49:01 | BigBambi | best tell us then |
| 21:49:16 | alex_dinamo | I did somethng to my fonts (resetted color or something) and now the font color is the same as the background color, can't read anything |
| 21:49:17 | BigBambi | My mind reading skills aren't very well developed |
| 21:49:23 | bluebrother | he already told us he has a problem. Now get your crystal ball ;-) |
| 21:49:28 | BigBambi | alex_dinamo: Which player? |
| 21:49:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | alex_dinamo: What device is it? |
| 21:49:39 | alex_dinamo | it is an ipod video |
| 21:49:44 | alex_dinamo | 30Gb |
| 21:49:50 | BigBambi | turn hold on as it starts booting |
| 21:49:54 | BigBambi | after the apple logo |
| 21:50:01 | BigBambi | it will reset the settings |
| 21:50:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Time it to the backlight coming on. |
| 21:50:05 | alex_dinamo | it boots, it sounds... all ok... just color of font... can't read |
| 21:50:15 | BigBambi | By the way, this is in the manual.... |
| 21:50:21 | alex_dinamo | oh, I see... |
| 21:50:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | Or boot into Disk Mode, hook it to your PC, and delete the .rockbox/config.cfg file. |
| 21:50:41 | linuxstb | Or just edit that file to remove the fg/bg colour settings |
| 21:50:42 | alex_dinamo | great LambdaCalculus37 |
| 21:50:47 | bluebrother | fml: I'm no core dev but it doesn't sound nice to me −− you still call apps code from the firmware level |
| 21:50:55 | alex_dinamo | one mor thing... little thing |
| 21:51:02 | alex_dinamo | I downloaded some themes.. installed... ok |
| 21:51:05 | bluebrother | but better wait for core devs to raise their voice. |
| 21:51:15 | alex_dinamo | but I do not get the same image as in the webpage |
| 21:51:18 | BigBambi | The WPS syntax xhanged recently, so they are out of date |
| 21:51:35 | BigBambi | You need to fix them - see www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWps |
| 21:51:41 | bluebrother | hmm, we should _really_ get a theme site working before 3.0 gets released |
| 21:51:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | alex_dinamo: Look for any themes that have been updated after June 23rd. |
| 21:51:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | Or do what BigBambi says. |
| 21:51:50 | linuxstb | fml: I haven't looked at your patch, but calling apps/ code from firmware is a no-no. |
| 21:51:58 | alex_dinamo | after jun 23 |
| 21:51:59 | alex_dinamo | ok |
| 21:52:00 | alex_dinamo | great |
| 21:52:01 | BigBambi | Sorry, www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS |
| 21:52:02 | alex_dinamo | thanks! |
| 21:52:09 | alex_dinamo | you've been very helpful |
| 21:52:11 | alex_dinamo | byt |
| 21:52:13 | alex_dinamo | bye |
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| 21:52:35 | BigBambi | The lack of consistency in capitalisation of acronyms etc in the wiki is really annoying |
| 21:52:36 | bluebrother | linuxstb: how's the state of the themes website code? |
| 21:52:45 | BigBambi | e.g. WpsGallery vs CustomWPS |
| 21:53:17 | bluebrother | maybe there's a way to redirect pages like mediawiki can do? |
| 21:53:38 | BigBambi | Don't know |
| 21:53:51 | BigBambi | I think I'm right in saying only admin's can rename pages? |
| 21:53:55 | BigBambi | *admins |
| 21:54:00 | bluebrother | I think so. |
| 21:54:13 | bluebrother | not sure either |
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| 21:55:14 | linuxstb | Or switch to a Windows web server ;) |
| 21:55:21 | BigBambi | heh :) |
| 21:55:48 | Llorean | BigBambi: I think it's usually only when an acronym is the first "word" in a page name that it isn't all caps. |
| 21:55:55 | Llorean | But I'm not sure. |
| 21:56:02 | BigBambi | Hmmm, interesting thought |
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| 21:56:40 | BigBambi | Llorean: PluginMpegplayer :( |
| 21:56:57 | Llorean | Well the plugin isn't named MPEGPlayer |
| 21:57:13 | BigBambi | Maybe not, but it isn't exactly clear |
| 21:57:20 | Llorean | True |
| 21:57:26 | Llorean | And the wiki page refers to it as MPEGPlayer actually |
| 21:57:32 | BigBambi | :) |
| 21:57:39 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Same as ever... :( I'll try and put what I've got in SVN asap, so others can start hacking... |
| 21:57:47 | Llorean | BigBambi: But I do agree, some solid rule would be nice |
| 21:57:52 | Llorean | For future pages, and to eventually fix existing ones. |
| 21:58:09 | BigBambi | yep, I don't really care which way, I'd just like a convention |
| 21:58:12 | bluebrother | yeah, I'd really like to take a peek. IMO we should really get a at least basic (read only?) website up for 3.0 |
| 21:58:36 | fml | bluebrother, linuxstb: I have no patch yet, just thinking about making one. The firmware code would not call app code directly. The app code would register a callback function which would then get called by the firmware. |
| 21:59:03 | bluebrother | well, that's still calling apps code from firmware from my point of view ... |
| 21:59:20 | fml | So API wise there would be no such calls. |
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| 22:00:09 | fml | The possibility of a callback would be a firmware feature. I.e. the type for the callback function would be defined in a firmware .h file. |
| 22:01:21 | fml | Then the firmware doesn't care who provides the function. It just happens ;-) that it's provided by the app layer in my (still hypothetical) case. |
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| 22:11:25 | sepsep | can someone help me? |
| 22:11:48 | sepsep | hello?? |
| 22:11:56 | fml | Not if you don't tell us what the problem is |
| 22:11:58 | bluebrother | are we in a hurry? |
| 22:12:04 | sepsep | sorry |
| 22:12:35 | bluebrother | this is irc, people usually do things the same time ... and you need to ask a question. Crystal balls are quite problematic these days :) |
| 22:12:36 | sepsep | my sansa e260 wont mount after i installed rockbox |
| 22:12:50 | sepsep | any help?? |
| 22:13:01 | bluebrother | does it reboot into the OF for disc mode? |
| 22:13:06 | bertrik | boot the OF for disk access over USB |
| 22:13:11 | sepsep | t??wh |
| 22:13:12 | bertrik | (original firmware) |
| 22:13:35 | bluebrother | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaFAQ#Does_USB_work |
| 22:13:47 | sepsep | screen goes black or error -4 |
| 22:14:15 | sepsep | n origional firnware boot |
| 22:14:21 | fml | Doesn't that mean that the firmware file can't be found? |
| 22:14:42 | bluebrother | hmm, shouldn't that not be an issue on the sansa? |
| 22:14:47 | sepsep | error with it |
| 22:14:59 | sepsep | after installing rockbox |
| 22:15:05 | Llorean | bluebrother: Depends on how he installed |
| 22:15:10 | Llorean | If he installed the old, old way. |
| 22:15:16 | sepsep | yep old |
| 22:15:23 | bluebrother | old, old? I even can't remember how that worked :) |
| 22:15:26 | sepsep | did in 2006 lol |
| 22:15:37 | Llorean | bluebrother: Rockbox bootloader replaced OF, and loaded OF from a .mi4 file |
| 22:15:40 | Llorean | Much like the e200R |
| 22:15:55 | bluebrother | then you need to reinstall the OF, then reinstall the bootloader ... |
| 22:16:03 | sepsep | how?? |
| 22:16:14 | sepsep | usb not rechniozed |
| 22:16:23 | linuxstb | Enter recovery mode |
| 22:16:33 | sepsep | hold while i do |
| 22:16:56 | sepsep | usb cable conected on screen |
| 22:17:02 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick has instructions and links |
| 22:17:05 | sepsep | in recovery mode |
| 22:18:08 | sepsep | still not shown on comp in rec mode |
| 22:19:11 | bluebrother | well, if you have a microsd card you could try to move the OF.mi4 file that way (given that rockbox still boots) |
| 22:19:48 | sepsep | it does |
| 22:20:03 | bluebrother | but recovery mode works −− I used it myself before. |
| 22:20:27 | sepsep | what should it say in recovery mode? |
| 22:20:48 | bluebrother | something like "welcome to recovery mode" −− isn't that stated on the wiki page? |
| 22:20:59 | sepsep | then what? |
| 22:21:12 | bluebrother | nothing. It appears as (small) drive on the pc. |
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| 22:22:04 | sepsep | for me after that it says on device usb cable connected only |
| 22:23:40 | bertrik | how does the bootloading process on sansa work anyway? is it described in a wiki somewhere? |
| 22:23:56 | mcuelenaere | Bagder: could you "upgrade" my FlySpray status to Developer instead of "Reporter"? |
| 22:24:09 | Bagder | oh indeed! |
| 22:24:49 | bluebrother | sepsep: just tried it, works fine for me. After the welcome it only says "usb connected" |
| 22:24:55 | linuxstb | bertrik: As it comes from the factory, there is a Sandisk bootloader and the OF in the firmware partition. The boot code in ROM loads the Sandisk bootloader, which in turn loads the OF. |
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| 22:25:12 | bluebrother | and it appears as "16MB-FORMAT" on my pc. |
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| 22:25:39 | Bagder | mcuelenaere: done! |
| 22:25:40 | linuxstb | bertrik: Sansapatcher (by default) replaces the OF in the firmware partition with the Rockbox bootloader, and then writes an unencrypted version of that firmware to an unused part of that partition (so the Rockbox bootloader can dual-boot). |
| 22:25:49 | mcuelenaere | Bagder: thanks! |
| 22:26:06 | fml | bluebrother, linuxstb: so no more comments about the suppressing the backlight? I'll leave it then as it's not a very important feature for me. It was more of a academical interest. |
| 22:26:09 | linuxstb | bertrik: Sansapatcher can also replace the Sansa bootloader with the Rockbox bootloader, but then you lose recovery mode. |
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| 22:27:05 | bertrik | linuxstb, ok thanks, that explains a lot |
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| 22:30:09 | bluebrother | bertrik: now "someone" write it down ;-) |
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| 22:33:56 | andrewbeveridge- | hey, are saratoga, preglow or linuxstb around? :) |
| 22:36:29 | Bagder | andrewbeveridge-: try asking your question |
| 22:37:17 | Bagder | and I'm sure one of the guys who knows will answer if around... |
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| 22:38:50 | * | bluebrother adds "question" to ignore list :P |
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| 22:41:45 | andrewbeveridge- | well, see it is kinda specific to the people who I have already spoken to, who are working on SoundCodecWMA in rockbox. But anyway, I've posted what I wanted to in the ongoing bug (9205). I really just wanted to see if what I found was of use :) |
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| 22:42:28 | Bagder | andrewbeveridge-: still, people read logs at times so expressing the points out loud up front is often the better approach |
| 22:42:38 | mcuelenaere | can someone confirm FS #7526 is fixed? |
| 22:42:55 | mcuelenaere | verify* |
| 22:43:12 | yonkeltron | i can't seem to get the bootloader to load and i'm wondering if i'm doing something wrong |
| 22:44:55 | yonkeltron | i have tried numerous time and done both the manual and the automagic install but no dice |
| 22:44:56 | andrewbeveridge- | Badger: ok sure. basically, there was some sort of bug in rockbox's WMA decoder which caused all of my WMA files to play badly, with skips every few seconds. I noticed the same behaviour in VLC media player, and as both use FFMpeg, assumed it was an FFMpeg problem. I have finally now confirmed that. |
| 22:45:07 | bertrik | yonkeltron, what player do you have? |
| 22:45:54 | yonkeltron | bertrik: iaudo x5 |
| 22:45:58 | domonoky | andrewbeveridge-: it would be good to track down the revision of ffmpeg which made it work... *just updating rockbox wmaCodec to lates ffmpeg" isnt that easy |
| 22:46:27 | bluebrother | yonkeltron: how did you install? Did you follow the flashing procedure using the AC adapter? |
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| 22:49:13 | yonkeltron | bluebrother: oh wait, srsly, that time it worked |
| 22:49:19 | yonkeltron | i must have had something wrong with the dir structure |
| 22:51:06 | andrewbeveridge- | domonoky: yeah, I figured that - trouble is I don't know where to start. I can't realistically test more than 20-30 FFmpeg builds. I'll go have a look at the trunk and see which builds affect WMA decoding |
| 22:51:14 | andrewbeveridge- | domonoky: yeah, I figured that - trouble is I don't know where to start. I can't realistically test more than 20-30 FFmpeg builds. I'll go have a look at the trunk and see which builds affect WMA decoding. |
| 22:51:29 | * | bluebrother throws some vowels at yonkeltron |
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| 22:52:54 | rasher | andrewbeveridge-: 20-30 builds should be more than enough if you do a binary search |
| 22:53:00 | domonoky | andrewbeveridge-: the key is a binary search, take build in the middle between rockboxs version and the known working.. if it works take the lower half, it doesnt the upper half.. and the do the same.. |
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| 22:55:15 | bertrik | andrew_beveridge, you could narrow the search down a bit too by only testing revisions that actually contained a wma change |
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| 22:55:31 | bluebrother | andrewbeveridge: mibbit.com is a much nicer replacement for cgi::irc ... just in case ;-) |
| 22:55:54 | andrewbeveridge | yeah I figured that - I can't realistically test more than 20-30 FFmpeg builds. I'll go have a look at the trunk and see which builds affect WMA decoding. |
| 22:56:23 | andrewbeveridge | bluebrother: thanks lol, but mIRC beats all. I was onyl using the web interface cos i was lazy ;-) |
| 22:56:51 | * | bluebrother tried mirc once and hated it. irssi is wayyy better :) |
| 22:57:06 | bertrik | andrewbeveridge, oh sorry, somehow didn't you mentioned that already :) |
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| 23:10:17 | bertrik | Anyone have objections against FS #9217? is a patch to improve line drawing in rockpaint by using bresenham instead of using multiplies/divisions |
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