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| 00:47:00 | ChristianGibbons | Hey guys, I just signed up for the Rockbox Twiki and I need write permission to upload a few themes i've done |
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| 00:50:45 | moos | done, you have now write permission |
| 00:51:18 | ChristianGibbons | thanks |
| 00:51:57 | moos | no problem, just please don't spam us :) |
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| 01:26:07 | MarcGuayAway | Soap: Any luck getting your c100 open? |
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| 01:27:08 | Soap | MarcGuay, I haven't tried since we last spoke. |
| 01:27:31 | MarcGuay | I've gotten quite skilled at it if you need any tips. ;) |
| 01:31:32 | Soap | where do I even start? |
| 01:31:46 | Soap | I've chewed up the edging pretty good already. |
| 01:32:54 | MarcGuay | I had good luck wedging in around the USB port, or the corners near there, and then moving it over to the sides, and popping up somewhat forcefully around 1/4 to 1/3 the way up the side... then again about 2/3 the way down. That should get the top face up. |
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| 01:40:08 | Soap | what tool? |
| 01:41:03 | MarcGuay | Basic flathead screwdriver. Not even very thin. |
| 01:42:49 | * | scorche|sh uses fingernails |
| 01:43:10 | * | MarcGuay eats his nervously |
| 01:43:33 | scorche|sh | mine have worked on many such devices and tend to not marr the plastic near as much if at all |
| 01:43:58 | MarcGuay | The face on this one is clipped on really tight. I had to put my back into it. |
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| 01:53:52 | Soap | my nails, haven't tried them yet. Tried a 1" plastic putty knife, and a small regular screwdriver (which did the damage). |
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| 02:49:12 | ackers | hello |
| 02:49:34 | ackers | is rockbox coming to sansa clip? |
| 02:50:05 | advcomp2019 | ackers, nope.. look on the forums for that info |
| 02:50:34 | ackers | lol didnt realize you was here as well |
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| 02:54:56 | Dhraakellian | sansa clip plays vorbis out of the box |
| 02:55:05 | Dhraakellian | erm... not quite |
| 02:55:13 | Dhraakellian | but almost |
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| 02:56:55 | ackers | what makes vorbis better than mp3? |
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| 03:10:48 | Unhelpful | ackers: happy to answer that, but it's off-topic here, if you join #rockbox-community i can explain. |
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| 03:22:36 | juxt_ | just wanted to say thanks for everyones hardwork with rockbox. i really enjoy it and appreciate your hardwork. |
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| 04:38:28 | hasmind | hello? |
| 04:38:42 | advcomp2019 | hello Hadaka |
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| 07:34:53 | Dhraakellian | hmm... the q6 Vorbis with which I did the battery test had an ABR of 173 |
| 07:35:05 | Dhraakellian | the V2 mp3 has an ABR of 199 |
| 07:35:41 | Dhraakellian | should I do V3 instead for closer bitrates, or should I stick with V2? |
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| 08:29:42 | vitja | TMM, hi! |
| 08:29:58 | vitja | I know you was working on iaudio7 port, right? |
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| 08:33:47 | vitja | does anyone has copy of tcc77x data sheet? |
| 08:36:41 | tomers | Does anyone knows how to compile rbutil on Windows? Should I use Cygwin for that? |
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| 08:45:02 | linuxstb__ | tomers: This page describes what you need to do install - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityDevelopment |
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| 08:45:32 | vitja | linuxstb, can you help me with tcc77x? |
| 08:46:22 | vitja | i've found ds for tcc76x only |
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| 08:58:49 | vitja | ok if none could help tcc76x will be enought for me now |
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| 09:17:01 | funman | hello |
| 09:18:38 | LinusN | funman: fyi, it is not customary to greet the channel unless you have something more to say |
| 09:18:50 | LinusN | but hello to you anyway :-) |
| 09:19:48 | GodEater | yeah, we normally just walk in, flip everyone a finger, and then sulk in a corner until we have something constructive to come out with. |
| 09:19:49 | GodEater | :D |
| 09:20:01 | LinusN | haha |
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| 09:24:49 | funman | well I have to say that I'm looking for people analyzing the sansav2 firmware :) |
| 09:26:45 | funman | some great work have been made but there's still plenty to do |
| 09:27:16 | LinusN | i haven't followed the sansav2 progress, so i wouldn't know :-) |
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| 09:41:06 | JdGordon | does anyone know if anyone is planing on doing anything about fontcache re multifont? |
| 09:41:44 | LinusN | i hope so... |
| 09:42:01 | * | JdGordon had a few ideas in the car on the way home and might start working on it.. |
| 09:42:07 | JdGordon | unless someone has started already |
| 09:42:32 | LinusN | i say go ahead |
| 09:42:36 | linuxstb | AFAIK, no-one is working on it. At least, I haven't heard it mentioned here for a long time. |
| 09:43:10 | linuxstb | markun possibly has some ideas about it though |
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| 10:14:06 | LinusN | damn, i hate it when people take stuff from your desk without leaving a note - suddenly my oscilloscope probes are gone... grrr... |
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| 10:23:09 | Chriz21 | Hello |
| 10:23:24 | Chriz21 | is there anyway to get rb on my classic? |
| 10:23:35 | LinusN | unfortunately no... :-( |
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| 10:24:10 | Chriz21 | why not? |
| 10:24:21 | GodEater | *sigh* |
| 10:24:43 | Chriz21 | ? |
| 10:24:44 | linuxstb | Chriz21: Basically because no-one has done the work to make Rockbox work on the Classic. And that work is hard. |
| 10:24:48 | num1 | Chriz21: Because nobody's worked on it yet |
| 10:25:02 | Chriz21 | :( |
| 10:25:08 | Chriz21 | anyone wanna work on it? |
| 10:25:17 | GodEater | do you ? |
| 10:25:22 | Chriz21 | dunno how |
| 10:25:31 | GodEater | nor do we |
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| 10:27:54 | Chriz21 | what is different fromt he classic and the older ones? |
| 10:28:17 | linuxstb | Everything. |
| 10:28:37 | Chriz21 | like? |
| 10:28:45 | linuxstb | The hardware and the software. |
| 10:28:47 | funman | is classic an "ipod" classic ? |
| 10:28:49 | GodEater | I think everything covers it |
| 10:29:17 | LinusN | plus, the firmware is encrypted |
| 10:30:19 | GodEater | Chriz21: Read this : http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14871.0 |
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| 11:06:31 | * | JdGordon just loves opening files with no comments :( |
| 11:06:49 | JdGordon | fortunatly these are fairly short so they are work-out-able |
| 11:06:58 | LinusN | i have no comments on that |
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| 11:16:21 | wpyh | mcuelenaere (for the logs): I saw your fix for tools/configure, but I still cannot build the vx747 target properly |
| 11:16:55 | wpyh | after configuring for vx747 and bootloader, I ran make and ld gave me an error: "target elf32-tradlittlemips not found" |
| 11:18:07 | wpyh | I checked the ld binary in the toolchain, and it doesn't have this "tradlittlemips" target |
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| 11:24:03 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: sorry, I should've done a test-build before committing :) |
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| 11:28:45 | JdGordon | who knows what the magic number 0xFFDB is in font.c? |
| 11:28:57 | JdGordon | if ( pf->bits_size < 0xFFDB ) |
| 11:29:19 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: btw to fix this, change elf32-tradlittlemips to elf32-littlemips in firmware/target/mips/ingenic_jz47xx/apps.ld |
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| 11:43:11 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: sorry, my internet got cut off |
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| 11:44:43 | wpyh | ok, I didn't see a file named firmware/target/mips/ingenic_jz47xx/apps.ld |
| 11:45:04 | mcuelenaere | ah sorry it's boot.lds |
| 11:45:11 | wpyh | there is a boot.lds file inside that directory though, and if I modify it, there is still an error |
| 11:45:21 | wpyh | ah, I modified the boot.lds file :p |
| 11:45:30 | mcuelenaere | which error? |
| 11:45:53 | wpyh | now the error becomes: error: no memory region specified for loadable section `.rel.dyn' |
| 11:46:06 | Normmatt | i fixed that error |
| 11:46:13 | wpyh | sorry, I'm about blind when it comes to this |
| 11:46:21 | wpyh | Normmatt: I'll svn up again and see |
| 11:46:48 | Normmatt | I fixed it on my build but i dont have access to the files at the moment |
| 11:46:51 | wpyh | hm... I'm already at the latest revision |
| 11:47:09 | wpyh | Normmatt: any recollection of how you fixed the build? |
| 11:47:11 | mcuelenaere | Normmatt: are you normmat234@..? |
| 11:47:26 | Normmatt | mcuelenaere, yes |
| 11:47:30 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: and you could build correctly? |
| 11:47:36 | mcuelenaere | I currently can't |
| 11:47:43 | mcuelenaere | I used a different compiler |
| 11:47:55 | mcuelenaere | I'll put .rel.dyn in .text |
| 11:48:00 | Normmatt | I'll reboot into linux and tell you how i fixed it, give me a second |
| 11:48:10 | wpyh | ok, thanks guys :) |
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| 11:48:36 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: I got it working |
| 11:48:54 | wpyh | mcuelenare: hmm.... let's check our compiler versions |
| 11:48:54 | mcuelenaere | not sure why the compiler allocates something to .rel.dyn though |
| 11:49:04 | wpyh | oh.. |
| 11:49:09 | mcuelenaere | now I'm using the rockboxdev.sh one |
| 11:49:17 | wpyh | do I need to change something in the source? |
| 11:49:20 | mcuelenaere | previously I was using the one from emdebian |
| 11:49:25 | mcuelenaere | I'll commit it to SVN |
| 11:49:32 | wpyh | ok :) |
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| 11:54:24 | matt__ | all i did too fix that .rel.dyn error was add ".rel.dyn : { *(.rel.dyn) } > DRAM" to the lds file |
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| 11:54:36 | mcuelenaere | I added it into .text |
| 11:54:36 | * | wpyh is opening ingenic's website again to make sure about the rtc on the 4730 |
| 11:54:43 | * | mcuelenaere too |
| 11:55:16 | wpyh | yep, there it is: "Real Time Clock" instead of "RTC" |
| 11:56:00 | mcuelenaere | ok so it wasn't the rtc |
| 11:56:06 | mcuelenaere | but the 4730 doesn't seem to have an ADC |
| 11:56:15 | mcuelenaere | while I do have the SADC working for touchscreen |
| 11:56:30 | * | wpyh notices that the diagram for the 4740 also shows "Real Time Clock"... |
| 11:57:05 | wpyh | yeah, there isn't an ADC on the diagram |
| 11:57:30 | wpyh | I also read on one Chinese website, that the 4732 is most likely a stripped-down version of 4740 |
| 11:57:34 | wpyh | let me get the link for you |
| 11:57:38 | mcuelenaere | if Ingenic would provide some kind of processor identification thingy.. |
| 11:57:55 | mcuelenaere | I got the MIPS identification code's though |
| 11:58:07 | mcuelenaere | not that it's worth much.. |
| 11:58:18 | mcuelenaere | s/MIPS/MIPS core/ s/code's/codes/ |
| 11:59:30 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: maybe you can take a look at the linux source code that ingenic provided |
| 11:59:36 | wpyh | I haven't finished downloading yet :( |
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| 11:59:52 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: linuxstb has a mirror for that |
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| 12:00:08 | wpyh | the problem is not with network speed |
| 12:00:24 | wpyh | it's because I'm travelling right now and can't get a stable connection :p |
| 12:00:35 | mcuelenaere | ah ok :) |
| 12:00:57 | wpyh | and for the registers, my friend says we can look at the source |
| 12:01:05 | mcuelenaere | yes, most of it is GPL'ed |
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| 12:01:32 | wpyh | some aren't? |
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| 12:02:34 | mcuelenaere | perhaps some of the Cos stuff |
| 12:02:44 | mcuelenaere | but I'm wondering about the NAND driver |
| 12:02:49 | mcuelenaere | it has a binary blob provided |
| 12:03:01 | mcuelenaere | probably the NAND structure |
| 12:03:12 | mcuelenaere | can binaries be provided as GPL? |
| 12:03:27 | mcuelenaere | in that case, we could use it and wouldn't even have to bother reverse engineering the structure |
| 12:04:26 | wpyh | hm... this is a legal question |
| 12:04:38 | wpyh | (which I'm not sure the answer of) |
| 12:04:44 | mcuelenaere | if it can't be done, we just need to reverse engineer it |
| 12:04:53 | mcuelenaere | it's the same problem as with the TCC targets |
| 12:06:29 | wpyh | ok :) |
| 12:06:40 | wpyh | btw, I found the thread: http://bbs.imp3.net/viewthread.php?tid=464366&extra=page%3D1%26amp%3Bfilter%3Ddigest |
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| 12:07:19 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: do you speak chinese? |
| 12:07:56 | wpyh | the author says that "the 4732 is a small-sized version of the 4740, some pins that aren't commonly ued have been removed, so basically it's just a repackaging, and the core is the same" |
| 12:08:34 | wpyh | yeah, I do... sorry, here's a translation: http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbbs.imp3.net%2Fviewthread.php%3Ftid%3D464366%26extra%3Dpage%253D1%2526amp%253Bfilter%253Ddigest&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en |
| 12:09:31 | wpyh | and the good thing is: the author found the firmware recovery button. it's inside the casing so we have to open it to access the button |
| 12:09:39 | mcuelenaere | it's inside? |
| 12:09:51 | wpyh | yes |
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| 12:10:08 | mcuelenaere | hmm they appear to use a separate TV out IC in the VX777 |
| 12:10:19 | mcuelenaere | so the jz4740 isn't good enough for tv-out |
| 12:10:23 | wpyh | on this picture in the lower right corner: http://bbs.imp3.net/attachments/month_0807/20080718_ebd31bab048e1cc8ec06WBliiSAq1ZyG.jpg |
| 12:10:43 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: ah, yes, and the vx767 also uses a separate IC |
| 12:10:45 | mcuelenaere | is that a reset button ? |
| 12:11:13 | mcuelenaere | do they say which brand the FM chip is? |
| 12:11:20 | mcuelenaere | or if there's a separate audio codec? |
| 12:11:22 | wpyh | and there a two versions for the vx767: one uses the epson chip, the other one uses a chrontel chip |
| 12:11:57 | mcuelenaere | bleh only 16MB of SDRAM :( |
| 12:12:01 | wpyh | hmm... that's not a reset button |
| 12:12:43 | wpyh | the author says that "pressing that button gets the same effect as pressing the center button on the 989", which I think means that the device gets into firmware recovery mode |
| 12:13:04 | wpyh | yeah, 16 MB of sdram :p |
| 12:13:21 | wpyh | same as the vx747, right? |
| 12:13:25 | mcuelenaere | I don't know :( |
| 12:13:29 | mcuelenaere | probably |
| 12:13:47 | mcuelenaere | there are stickers over the chips, and if I pull them off the text comes off with them |
| 12:14:25 | wpyh | mcuelenare: the text is (I think) laser-engraved, so don't worry about that |
| 12:15:14 | mcuelenaere | well I tried and it didn't really worked I think |
| 12:15:16 | wpyh | as for the fm chip, they don't say anything about it. the audio codec is on the 4732 |
| 12:15:24 | mcuelenaere | ok |
| 12:15:38 | wpyh | at least I don't see a codec chip :p |
| 12:16:18 | wpyh | from this diagram: http://bbs.imp3.net/attachments/month_0807/20080718_fabb56f8825a9013de5bsR0VkwTTHLzC.jpg , it says that the 4732 connects directly to an amp and then to output. so the codec is on-chip |
| 12:17:07 | wpyh | for the sdram, isn't there a way to detect it at runtime? |
| 12:17:14 | mcuelenaere | perhaps, I'm not sure |
| 12:17:25 | mcuelenaere | there are only registers, not datasheets |
| 12:17:38 | mcuelenaere | also I'm not really familiar with the MIPS core |
| 12:17:43 | wpyh | ok.. |
| 12:18:11 | mcuelenaere | for example on an ARM target with a MMU, I could see from a disassembly how big the RAM is |
| 12:19:42 | wpyh | maybe we'll find out later, but I think the RAM is 16 MB (64*2/8) |
| 12:20:56 | mcuelenaere | 64*2/8? |
| 12:21:10 | wpyh | yeah, two 64-Mbit chips, total 16 MB |
| 12:21:27 | mcuelenaere | ah ok |
| 12:21:54 | wpyh | :) |
| 12:22:04 | mcuelenaere | is there some kind of NOR flash or ROM chip somewhere? |
| 12:22:19 | mcuelenaere | because I wonder where the onda bootloader/ingenic recovery mode is located |
| 12:22:23 | wpyh | I don't think there's a NOR flash |
| 12:22:49 | wpyh | but the boot mode is located in ROM inside the 4730/4740, according to my friend |
| 12:23:15 | mcuelenaere | hmm ok that would be logical |
| 12:23:27 | mcuelenaere | did he specify what the xburst is? |
| 12:23:34 | mcuelenaere | what capabilities etc |
| 12:23:41 | mcuelenaere | on what mips core it is based |
| 12:23:50 | wpyh | hm... no |
| 12:24:05 | mcuelenaere | I can read some information out of the core itself, but not much |
| 12:24:19 | wpyh | he only hints that the 4740 might be based on another mips chip |
| 12:24:41 | wpyh | (the dev team was "stolen" over from another chinese company that produces mips chips) |
| 12:25:10 | mcuelenaere | :) |
| 12:25:29 | mcuelenaere | and do you know what mips chip? |
| 12:26:30 | wpyh | he told me the series but I don't remember exactly... should be like "p2000" or something similar... |
| 12:27:15 | mcuelenaere | http://mips.com/products/processors/32-64-bit-cores/ |
| 12:27:45 | mcuelenaere | http://mips.com/products/product-materials/processor/ |
| 12:28:08 | mcuelenaere | any of those? |
| 12:28:22 | mcuelenaere | and does your friend has access to datasheets? |
| 12:28:29 | mcuelenaere | or does he know if ingenic would be willing to provide them? |
| 12:30:17 | wpyh | hmmm... I don't know |
| 12:30:20 | wpyh | I'll ask him |
| 12:30:42 | wpyh | he doesn't have access right now, but he may still have some coworker-friends |
| 12:31:05 | wpyh | he said that Ingenic would NOT provide the datasheets to us or any other small developer company |
| 12:31:13 | mcuelenaere | hmm too bad |
| 12:31:35 | mcuelenaere | you know why? |
| 12:31:39 | wpyh | they will only supply the datasheets to big partners under NDA, because of the similarities to other chips (hint, hint) |
| 12:31:44 | mcuelenaere | :) |
| 12:31:50 | wpyh | :p |
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| 12:32:54 | mcuelenaere | we'll find out about their chips sooner or later anyhow ;) |
| 12:33:07 | wpyh | yeah :) |
| 12:35:32 | wpyh | oh, and for uploading the firmware to the vx767, do I need to get another set of log files? (Log_Files.rar) |
| 12:36:02 | mcuelenaere | I'm not sure |
| 12:36:04 | mcuelenaere | probably not |
| 12:36:16 | mcuelenaere | what the files currently do is init the sdram, check nand flash |
| 12:36:21 | mcuelenaere | and perhaps some other gpio init |
| 12:36:30 | mcuelenaere | sdram init is provided by ingenic, so it's generic |
| 12:36:40 | mcuelenaere | nand flash init is made by onda, so also pretty generic |
| 12:36:53 | mcuelenaere | only difference probably is the lcd init |
| 12:37:07 | mcuelenaere | for that you'll either need to disassemble the appropriate ccpmp.bin |
| 12:37:15 | wpyh | ah |
| 12:37:16 | wpyh | ok |
| 12:37:19 | mcuelenaere | or find the vx767 recovery tool |
| 12:37:31 | wpyh | I've tried it again twice, and this time it worked |
| 12:37:33 | mcuelenaere | (second option is easier as it's a smaller file to disassemble) |
| 12:37:39 | wpyh | the first time I tried, it timed out |
| 12:37:49 | mcuelenaere | be sure to do svn up |
| 12:37:55 | wpyh | (but the lcd garbled) |
| 12:38:02 | mcuelenaere | I just erased someone else's NAND because of a mistake |
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| 12:38:08 | wpyh | uh? |
| 12:38:17 | * | wpyh did it before an svn up |
| 12:38:55 | wpyh | yeah, great |
| 12:39:02 | wpyh | my firmware is erased.. |
| 12:39:06 | mcuelenaere | no problem :) |
| 12:39:19 | mcuelenaere | you have the same as Normmatt |
| 12:39:28 | wpyh | I'll try the recovery procedure then :0 |
| 12:39:28 | mcuelenaere | do you have a reset button? |
| 12:39:29 | wpyh | :) |
| 12:39:31 | wpyh | yeah |
| 12:39:48 | mcuelenaere | try http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OndaVX747#Official_flash_recovery |
| 12:39:52 | wpyh | speaking of which, I'm haven't heard from him since just now |
| 12:40:04 | mcuelenaere | Normmatt? |
| 12:40:08 | wpyh | yeah |
| 12:40:16 | mcuelenaere | I've been PM'ing him |
| 12:40:32 | wpyh | he said he'll boot into linux, then he didn't appear anymore :p |
| 12:40:48 | mcuelenaere | he currently is formatting his device as fat :) |
| 12:40:57 | wpyh | ah, ok |
| 12:40:58 | mcuelenaere | so he got a bit further than you ;) |
| 12:41:03 | markun | Did anyone play with this codec a bit? http://celt-codec.org/ |
| 12:41:16 | wpyh | so, he also has a 767? |
| 12:41:38 | mcuelenaere | 747 |
| 12:41:52 | mcuelenaere | so you say the lcd is garbled? |
| 12:41:57 | wpyh | markun: no, I haven't... |
| 12:41:59 | wpyh | yes, the lcd is garbled |
| 12:42:10 | mcuelenaere | in what way? |
| 12:42:28 | mcuelenaere | does it display color? |
| 12:43:10 | wpyh | hm... half of the display is washed white, the other half changes color slowly |
| 12:43:21 | mcuelenaere | it changes color? |
| 12:43:22 | mcuelenaere | weird |
| 12:43:30 | mcuelenaere | normally, 10.bin displays a static image |
| 12:43:38 | mcuelenaere | saying it's erasing your flash |
| 12:43:41 | mcuelenaere | in chinese |
| 12:44:06 | wpyh | hm... maybe because it loads onda.bin? |
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| 12:44:41 | wpyh | hm... but it doesn't send onda.bin... |
| 12:44:53 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: ? the version you compiled loaded 10.bin in it's last stage; the version committed now to SVN loads onda.bin |
| 12:44:57 | wpyh | then maybe the log files are different |
| 12:45:01 | wpyh | yeah |
| 12:45:07 | mcuelenaere | all the x.bin files are extracted from the official onda recovery tool |
| 12:46:54 | wpyh | and that's for the vx747 right? |
| 12:47:00 | mcuelenaere | yep |
| 12:47:02 | mcuelenaere | currently.. |
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| 12:47:21 | mcuelenaere | there should be some vx767 writer tools around on the internet |
| 12:47:42 | mcuelenaere | like this http://www.mp4nation.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=4698&hilit=vx767 |
| 12:48:03 | wpyh | hm... let's see |
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| 12:50:32 | wpyh | I've got the vx767 writer tool now, but how do I extract the log files? |
| 12:50:40 | mcuelenaere | where did you find it? |
| 12:51:00 | mcuelenaere | I copied them from a usb log, but you can use a win32 resource extracter |
| 12:51:01 | wpyh | through baidu :p here: http://www.ziddu.com/download.php?uid=Zq2Zlp2marKZnOKnYaqhkZSqXqudmJyu1 |
| 12:51:25 | wpyh | hm... |
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| 12:52:22 | mcuelenaere | hmm that download site is slow |
| 12:52:35 | wpyh | the file is small :) |
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| 12:53:08 | mcuelenaere | it doesn't want to start the download.. |
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| 12:54:17 | mcuelenaere | after disabling adblock it works |
| 12:54:26 | wpyh | :) |
| 12:55:21 | mcuelenaere | hmm they provide a .dl file with it |
| 12:55:39 | mcuelenaere | so a full OS is sent for recovery probably |
| 12:56:41 | wpyh | hm... it's only 23kB? |
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| 12:57:14 | mcuelenaere | OS'es can be small ;) |
| 12:57:40 | mcuelenaere | if you look at it with resource hacker you'll see it contains about 7 binaries |
| 12:57:59 | mcuelenaere | one is the .inf file, another a .exe/.dll/.sys (probably the drivers) |
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| 13:02:57 | mcuelenaere | I think I found the main initialisation routine |
| 13:04:08 | wpyh | I tried the reovery tool, and the *.dl file is actually called a "配置文件" which means "settings file" or "configuration file" |
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| 13:10:17 | mcuelenaere | hmm lcd_init is a bit different |
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| 13:13:09 | mcuelenaere | bleh they use pointers and jump to it |
| 13:14:22 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: did you succeed in recovering? |
| 13:14:43 | wpyh | no |
| 13:16:15 | mcuelenaere | try this ( http://i33.tinypic.com/xqf505.jpg ) and press the right button |
| 13:16:46 | wpyh | hm... |
| 13:16:48 | mcuelenaere | whenever the lcd comes up reset it and hold the button which you normally press for a fw upgrade |
| 13:17:04 | mcuelenaere | then it should boot into an UMS mode |
| 13:17:42 | mcuelenaere | (vol down on the vx747) |
| 13:18:09 | wpyh | hm... ok |
| 13:18:15 | mcuelenaere | this should help http://www.mp4nation.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=29914#p29914 |
| 13:18:21 | wpyh | I did that on my sister's computer without chinese support |
| 13:18:27 | wpyh | so I clicked the left button :p |
| 13:18:35 | mcuelenaere | :) |
| 13:20:41 | wpyh | hm... ok, so it's recovered :) |
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| 13:20:48 | wpyh | for the logs: |
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| 13:21:06 | wpyh | 1. hold down M button and reset the device |
| 13:22:06 | wpyh | 2. connect usb, 3. install the drivers, 4. fire up the program, 5. choose the *.dl file for the first textbox on the right, 6. choose the firmware file for the second textbox on the right, 7. press the right button |
| 13:22:32 | mcuelenaere | you should probably put this in a wiki page |
| 13:23:01 | wpyh | 8. then the device will recover the firmware, 9. wait, since this takes a _long_ time, 10. when the device gets into the UMS mode, take it out, it's recovered |
| 13:23:16 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: ok, maybe later ;) |
| 13:23:17 | mcuelenaere | you can skip the long time |
| 13:23:31 | mcuelenaere | it's setting every bit to 0 during the "long time" |
| 13:23:41 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: every bit in what? :-\ |
| 13:23:44 | mcuelenaere | but there's the builtin onda bootloader |
| 13:23:45 | mcuelenaere | nand flash |
| 13:24:05 | mcuelenaere | if you hold vol down and the nand flash doesn't contain a valid fw |
| 13:24:11 | mcuelenaere | it'll boot into UMS |
| 13:24:22 | mcuelenaere | then you need to format the disk/flash as FAT |
| 13:24:22 | Normmatt | is there away to replace the .dl plugins for games, with custom code? |
| 13:24:25 | wpyh | hm.. I didn't hold down the VOL- |
| 13:24:26 | mcuelenaere | and put the file in it |
| 13:24:34 | mcuelenaere | because you did it right |
| 13:24:38 | mcuelenaere | @wpyh |
| 13:24:43 | mcuelenaere | Normmatt: yes there is |
| 13:24:50 | mcuelenaere | but I haven't been looking into this |
| 13:24:55 | mcuelenaere | tomac know a lot about that |
| 13:25:14 | mcuelenaere | he even made an emulator I believe |
| 13:25:16 | wpyh | hm... ok |
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| 13:25:29 | mcuelenaere | and a small file browser (which also works on the vx747) |
| 13:25:35 | Normmatt | mcuelenaere, how do you plan to release rockbox then? replacing ccpmp.bin?? |
| 13:25:41 | mcuelenaere | yes |
| 13:25:46 | mcuelenaere | with a bootloader |
| 13:25:50 | mcuelenaere | but it'll support dual boot |
| 13:25:58 | Normmatt | awesome |
| 13:26:12 | mcuelenaere | but for that, I need some read access to the nand flash |
| 13:26:25 | mcuelenaere | then I can copy the Original Fw to SDRAM and execute it |
| 13:26:31 | mcuelenaere | for dual booting |
| 13:26:42 | mcuelenaere | that's what the rockbox bootloader is for |
| 13:26:51 | mcuelenaere | it loads the main rockbox/OF fw |
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| 13:31:15 | wpy1 | mcuelenaere: you mean, the BL will replace ccpmp.bin, then it will look for RB in the FAT partition? |
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| 13:47:01 | mcuelenaere | wpy1: yes |
| 13:47:17 | * | wpy1 noticed that he's wpy1 now :\ |
| 13:47:27 | mcuelenaere | and the original ccpmp.bin will be named ccpmp2.bin or something like that |
| 13:47:33 | * | wpy1 is wpyh now |
| 13:47:34 | mcuelenaere | so that it can also get loaded |
| 13:47:36 | wpy1 | uh, no |
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| 13:48:36 | wpyh_ | mcuelenaere: yes, that's a good idea :) |
| 13:49:00 | mcuelenaere | let's hope it'll be more than theory :) |
| 13:49:38 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: do you have any reverse engineering experience? |
| 13:50:05 | wpyh_ | mcuelenaere: almost none :p |
| 13:51:31 | mcuelenaere | do you understand assembly? (ARM, MIPS?) |
| 13:52:12 | wpyh_ | mcuelenaere: no... I know the instructions, but I can't figure out what it does exactly.. |
| 13:52:24 | wpyh_ | maybe because I'm still thinking in C instead of assembly |
| 13:52:24 | wpyh_ | :p |
| 13:53:00 | mcuelenaere | but you have some experience in C, perhaps that's enough for a starter |
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| 14:01:36 | Plouj | are there any stores in the US(texas) where I can buy the sandisk e270 in person? |
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| 14:24:34 | linuxstb | Plouj: I assume you're looking for a "v1" e270? |
| 14:25:55 | Plouj | yeah |
| 14:26:06 | Plouj | something nice that supports rockbox, really |
| 14:27:09 | linuxstb | I would be surprised if any "real" shops had v1 Sansas any more. But I've no idea where you would buy one from. |
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| 14:32:48 | jac0b|w | is anyone using the gigabeat S with RB |
| 14:35:18 | BigBambi | yes |
| 14:36:34 | jac0b|w | is the initial install complicated or pretty easy |
| 14:36:43 | BigBambi | what OS? |
| 14:36:50 | jac0b|w | ubuntu |
| 14:36:54 | BigBambi | not too bad then |
| 14:37:00 | BigBambi | you need to do some compiling |
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| 14:37:12 | jac0b|w | thats ok |
| 14:37:14 | BigBambi | There is an install guide in the wiki |
| 14:37:21 | BigBambi | Be aware, it isn't finished |
| 14:37:32 | BigBambi | e.g. charging doesn't work, battery life isn't brilliant |
| 14:37:36 | jac0b|w | yeah I read the install steps |
| 14:37:46 | BigBambi | When I say it, I mean RB, not the install btw |
| 14:37:53 | BigBambi | jac0b|w: Well there you go then |
| 14:38:08 | BigBambi | If you think that is complicated it is, if you think it is OK, then cool |
| 14:38:25 | jac0b|w | I was just wondering, I should be getting one in mail here in a couple days |
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| 14:39:07 | BigBambi | If you are OK compiling, then it is pretty easy |
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| 14:39:26 | jac0b|w | Do you know if the OF firmware has the lock on files like the f series |
| 14:39:38 | BigBambi | Yes, in the sense that it is MTP only |
| 14:40:01 | BigBambi | So you can't play them in Rockbox, and if you transfer in Rockbox you can't use them in the OF |
| 14:40:07 | BigBambi | But the OF is simply hideous |
| 14:40:22 | jac0b|w | b/c I was going to try the OF maybe for a bit to see if they get the RB woking better on it |
| 14:40:26 | BigBambi | It being MTP only is why the initial install is a slight bugger |
| 14:40:27 | jac0b|w | working* |
| 14:40:36 | BigBambi | well, feel free, but it is horrible |
| 14:41:00 | BigBambi | It is possible under linux, but using anything other than WMP for transferring is not fun |
| 14:41:18 | jac0b|w | RB for me then |
| 14:41:39 | jac0b|w | I currently have the F series |
| 14:42:33 | BigBambi | I like the F, but the S is nicer (with RB) - a real cross is nice |
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| 14:49:08 | * | JdGordon|uni tries his luck and summons amiconn..... |
| 14:50:24 | BigBambi | He's on holiday I think |
| 14:50:34 | JdGordon|uni | nuts :p |
| 14:50:41 | BigBambi | On a bike tour :) |
| 14:53:16 | JdGordon|uni | markun: you round? |
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| 14:59:56 | linuxstb | krz: Hi. How are things going? |
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| 15:00:14 | krz | hi, i'm cleaning the code |
| 15:01:13 | Nico_P | krz: hi :) |
| 15:01:14 | linuxstb | I tried compiling your code, but get errors (in gui/) about missing .h files - qmp3state.h and qwpsstate.h. Did you forget to add them to SVN? |
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| 15:01:56 | krz | seems that you tried to compile them in linux? |
| 15:02:06 | krz | Nico_P: hi! |
| 15:02:08 | linuxstb | Yes. Is that wrong? |
| 15:02:50 | linuxstb | Ah, I see they are there, but with different names... |
| 15:02:57 | krz | hm, i changed register and, probably, forgot to commit changes |
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| 15:04:38 | markun | JdGordon: more or less. Is it about the fontcache? |
| 15:04:50 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 15:04:58 | JdGordon | if your busy i wont bother you though |
| 15:05:05 | markun | ok :) |
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| 15:52:06 | JdGordon | kugel: comment added.... ill be around for another few minutes to discuss/argue ( :D ) ... |
| 15:54:18 | JdGordon | markun: if/when you get a chance.... can you quickly run through how the fonts are stored in the .fnt file? I dont get it... |
| 15:55:06 | rasher | JdGordon: I'm pretty sure there's a page on it |
| 15:55:29 | JdGordon | I thought there was too but my net is too slow atm to search the wiki :( |
| 15:57:02 | rasher | JdGordon: FontFormat |
| 15:57:46 | JdGordon | thanks... although, thats about as useful as fonts.c is :( |
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| 15:58:28 | kugel | JdGordon: Well, I'm still not a fan of the extra file. |
| 15:58:49 | JdGordon | thats ok :) |
| 15:59:05 | JdGordon | its better than storing more barely used text in global_settings |
| 15:59:19 | kugel | JdGordon: Have you read the comment by linuxstb from 27th of march? That's the reason I went to the globally available list_info vp |
| 15:59:34 | JdGordon | i probably did 2 months ago... :p |
| 15:59:54 | JdGordon | 4 even |
| 15:59:58 | kugel | hehe |
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| 16:00:12 | kugel | time's moving faster than you can imagine :P |
| 16:01:20 | JdGordon | your missing the point of _something_... my version doesnt go against any of his points |
| 16:01:43 | kugel | JdGordon: I haven't said that |
| 16:02:06 | * | JdGordon is tired... sorry |
| 16:04:01 | kugel | JdGordon: I guess, since you stopped at the menu, you didn't stumble upon the still being problem of showing dead parts between the lcd boundary and the viewport boundary |
| 16:04:31 | kugel | JdGordon: that's the reason I have to have always a fullscreen parent |
| 16:04:41 | JdGordon | i did... but imo thats a problem with the viewports layout and shouldnt be handled by the individual screens |
| 16:06:30 | kugel | JdGordon: IMHO different dimensions for different screens is overkill |
| 16:06:52 | JdGordon | i agree... but i dont think overkill is bad... :D |
| 16:07:00 | kugel | and not needed in approx 99% of the time |
| 16:08:32 | kugel | just about every user will end up having a extra file containing 1 line (the default) and 1 line in the config pointing to the vpcfg |
| 16:09:23 | JdGordon | no... 90% of users will have no extra file because the feauter is pointless :p |
| 16:09:42 | JdGordon | but for the other 10%, it makes sense to go overkill |
| 16:09:46 | kugel | I don't think the feature is pointless |
| 16:10:10 | JdGordon | why do it half-assed? if your gonna make something customizable.. make it customizable... dont put artificial limitations on it |
| 16:11:29 | kugel | JdGordon: How about implementing different backdrops for different screens? I think I'd then see a sense in that |
| 16:12:02 | JdGordon | I wouldnt be against it.. |
| 16:13:10 | JdGordon | there was talk of making viewports be able to disable the backdrop which would make this nice also |
| 16:13:19 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Why have a separate file for viewports, instead of using the existing .cfg mechanism? |
| 16:13:33 | * | linuxstb wonders where in RAM all these backdrops would be stored... |
| 16:14:49 | JdGordon | because, with the extra file 1 filename needs to be saved per screen, without it, its 2 largeish strings per screen.. and those strings are only accessed once.. |
| 16:15:21 | JdGordon | heck, we use this file to specify the backdrop bmps and we can store them on the audiobuffer before playback starts |
| 16:15:39 | JdGordon | which saves a couple hundred bytes for those who dont use a backdrop at all |
| 16:15:52 | * | petur starts calling some RSB members to inform them of the bloat alert |
| 16:17:26 | kugel | I wonder what the other guys think about that: 1 viewport (i.e. only 1 vp struct) for every screen which shows the backdrop (or every screen if liked) or several viewports (and several structs) for every screen, which allows different dimensions for those screens |
| 16:17:35 | GodEater | and something that sounds suspiciously like malloc() with a different name - don't forget that petur |
| 16:18:20 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I don't understand your answer about the separate viewport .cfg file. Strings shouldn't be stored, the binary viewport struct should be, and how does loading from a different file reduce the storage requirements? |
| 16:18:25 | JdGordon | kugel: ??? |
| 16:19:06 | JdGordon | linuxstb: you actually waste more space storing the struct than the string... |
| 16:19:19 | linuxstb | JdGordon: "waste"? |
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| 16:19:32 | kugel | JdGordon: ??? |
| 16:20:00 | JdGordon | linuxstb: well.. not waste, use... |
| 16:20:12 | JdGordon | kugel: I dont understand what your talking about... |
| 16:20:25 | linuxstb | Probably true, but how does using a separate .cfg file make any difference to that? |
| 16:21:13 | JdGordon | it does't, but it does make that huge struct slightly more managable, it stays a constant 1 item for this no matter how many screens/viewports can be handled |
| 16:21:16 | kugel | JdGordon: Not? Which part is not clear to you? |
| 16:21:42 | JdGordon | godeater: you know storeing on the audiobuf pre audio is 100% fine with everyone right? |
| 16:22:06 | JdGordon | kugel: "I wonder what the other guys think about that: 1 viewport (i.e. only 1 vp struct) for every screen which shows the backdrop (or every screen if liked) or several viewports (and several structs) for every screen, which allows different dimensions for those screens" |
| 16:22:36 | GodEater | JdGordon: someone else's sarcasm detector is broken ;) |
| 16:22:46 | JdGordon | :) |
| 16:22:55 | kugel | seems so |
| 16:23:31 | kugel | I asked the others, if they like 1 viewport for all screens or 1 viewport for each screen |
| 16:24:14 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I'm still not understanding you - how can 1 item store an unlimited number of viewport definitions? |
| 16:24:52 | JdGordon | check out the patch... they are loaded from the text file into an array |
| 16:25:32 | linuxstb | So it's not 1 item... |
| 16:26:07 | JdGordon | kugel: what you meant was "do they prefer being stuck with the only confiurable option being moving the "fullscreen" viewport to a smaller rect wasting parts of the screen, instead of being able to choose the rctangle for every screen |
| 16:26:14 | JdGordon | linuxstb: in the global_settings struct |
| 16:26:22 | JdGordon | obviously they need to be stored somewhere... |
| 16:26:28 | kugel | JdGordon: Exactly |
| 16:27:09 | kugel | JdGordon: I just tried to express it less biased |
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| 16:27:16 | JdGordon | :) |
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| 16:27:56 | JdGordon | btw, if we decide to do the "statusbar" wps thing, then these could work well together |
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| 16:34:36 | JdGordon_ | anywho... bed time |
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| 16:48:02 | kugel | Hmm, a new bmp resize version is up, which moves the resizing into the core |
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| 17:02:55 | linuxstb | 4KB seems a bit excessive... |
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| 17:12:39 | kugel | worth it, imho |
| 17:12:57 | kugel | also, Nico_P optimized it a little a while ago |
| 17:13:10 | Nico_P | I did? |
| 17:14:09 | kugel | Nico_P: I remember you told me |
| 17:14:25 | kugel | Sorry, if I got it wrong |
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| 17:18:08 | Nico_P | kugel: there is some room for size optimisation, but I didn't do any of it |
| 17:18:22 | Nico_P | I figured it was unnecessary for plugins |
| 17:19:52 | kugel | Do color targets need simple_resize if smooth_resize is available? I think the guy put both into the core for color targets |
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| 17:20:23 | Nico_P | they probably don't need both |
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| 17:23:49 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Do you know if those two special cases are needed (downscaling in one direction only)? |
| 17:24:55 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I don't think they are. IIRC this code is optimised for speed, regardless of size |
| 17:25:17 | linuxstb | OK, then the comment I just posted isn't stupid... ;) |
| 17:25:30 | Nico_P | no, it isn't |
| 17:25:38 | Nico_P | maybe there can even be only one generic case |
| 17:25:46 | Nico_P | but I wouldn't know that |
| 17:26:38 | kugel | linuxstb: I think removing simple_resize for color targets will also decrease the bin size delta a bit |
| 17:26:40 | linuxstb | How does the album-art resize work? Is the full-size bmp loaded from disk, and then scaled? |
| 17:27:35 | linuxstb | There's a simple_resize? |
| 17:27:36 | kugel | linuxstb: There's some pre-calculations due to the ability for only upscale, only downscale and no scale (see my previous comment) |
| 17:28:25 | kugel | linuxstb: IIRC the cover is loaded into the image buffer, then resized and copied into the metadatabuffer |
| 17:29:06 | kugel | linuxstb: Yes, there's a simple_resize, which is used on greyscale targets AFAIR |
| 17:29:34 | linuxstb | You said it could be removed for colour targets... |
| 17:30:21 | linuxstb | The only resize function I can see is in the plugin lib, which is irrelevant. |
| 17:30:25 | kugel | linuxstb: Yea. idak moved that into the core, for both greyscale and color targets. And IMHO color doesn't need simple_resize, since smooth_resize is better |
| 17:30:49 | * | scorche|sh boggles at "idak" |
| 17:34:12 | linuxstb | kugel: What do you mean he moved it into the core? I can't see it in SVN... |
| 17:34:40 | linuxstb | OK, I think I understand - the patch moves two functions into the core... |
| 17:36:15 | kugel | linuxstb: With his latest bmp resize patch (which is the reason he gets the 4KB bin size delta) |
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| 17:40:24 | mcuelenaere | Anyone opposed to FS #9158 ? |
| 17:40:49 | linuxstb | There's always someone opposed to something ;) |
| 17:41:09 | funman | sorry, but I oppose to what you just said |
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| 17:42:36 | * | Nico_P doesn't agree |
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| 17:43:06 | mcuelenaere | :) ok then it's getting in |
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| 17:44:13 | * | kugel wants to remind people on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9012 |
| 17:44:20 | domonoky | hei krz, how is your gsoc project going ? |
| 17:44:54 | krz | hi, cleaned some code. now trying to remove some includes |
| 17:46:21 | mcuelenaere | kugel: I'm on it |
| 17:46:56 | kugel | mcuelenaere: Cool! It's really not a big patch |
| 17:47:02 | domonoky | krz: for your interrest, i am in holiday from about 5.8 - 15.8 , so you have to ask Nico_P, your co-mentor, in this time for help.. |
| 17:47:26 | mcuelenaere | kugel: no problem, I'm just testing my new Flyspray powers ;) |
| 17:47:28 | krz | domonoky: ok, sure |
| 17:48:45 | kugel | mcuelenaere: hehe :) |
| 17:49:28 | Nico_P | I'd just like to mention I don't have internet at home these days, but hopefully it'll be solved by the time domonoky leaves |
| 17:49:59 | Nico_P | speaking of home, I think I'll go there |
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| 17:53:04 | mcuelenaere | krz: I presume http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9175 can be removed? |
| 17:53:26 | domonoky | krz: as a note: please use commit messages when you commit to your svn |
| 17:54:02 | krz | mcuelenaere: jup, this fading bug was resolved :) |
| 17:54:11 | mcuelenaere | k |
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| 17:56:43 | kugel | Nico_P: The binsize delta is only 2KB without the special cases in smooth_resize |
| 17:57:04 | kugel | mcuelenaere: Thanks |
| 17:59:13 | Nico_P | kugel: nice |
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| 18:01:37 | domonoky | krz: i just checked out a fresh copy from your svn, and i had to update the .pro file to point to "../proxy/src/.." for some files. Also i had to update some other files from the gui, because of the moved wpsstate.h file (moved from gui to proxy? ). Could you please fix this ? :-) |
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| 18:02:14 | domonoky | also a little readme on what to do, to compile the wps editor would be nice, for others trying your programm :-) |
| 18:03:05 | kugel | Nico_P: not having simple_resize for color targets doesn't even save 1 byte |
| 18:03:35 | Nico_P | kugel: maybe because it wasn't used, so the linker didn't include it |
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| 18:09:32 | * | petur thinks that is a good idea |
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| 18:15:03 | mcuelenaere | domonoky: you mean you had to point some files to "../proxy/src/*"? |
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| 18:16:51 | mcuelenaere | krz: does "qmake && mingw32-make" works on Windows? |
| 18:17:25 | domonoky | jup, they were moved from proxy to proxy/src... |
| 18:17:36 | domonoky | krz already left ? |
| 18:17:45 | mcuelenaere | ah yes, missed that |
| 18:18:14 | * | domonoky uses "qmake && make" |
| 18:18:29 | mcuelenaere | should be the same |
| 18:18:33 | mcuelenaere | do you use windows or linux? |
| 18:18:50 | domonoky | windows, with mingw for this... |
| 18:19:06 | mcuelenaere | I get a "wpsstate.h not found" |
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| 18:20:08 | domonoky | thats the other change i mentioned, wpsstate.h moved to proxy/src i think, so i just changed the include directiv in the file to "#include ../proxy/src/wpsstate.h" |
| 18:20:39 | mcuelenaere | k thanks |
| 18:20:52 | domonoky | you could also add ../proxy/src/ to the Include dirs in the pro file i think... |
| 18:20:59 | mcuelenaere | that doesn't work |
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| 18:21:16 | mcuelenaere | for me |
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| 18:23:11 | * | domonoky just tried this and it works :-) just change the INCLUDEPATH in the gui.pro file to point also to ../proxy/src .. |
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| 18:24:46 | mcuelenaere | domonoky: so I should have "INCLUDEPATH += . src/QPropertyEditor ../proxy ../proxy/src"? |
| 18:25:20 | domonoky | you dont even need th proxy one anymore, sou you can just add "/src" :-) |
| 18:25:31 | domonoky | INCLUDEPATH += . src/QPropertyEditor ../proxy/src |
| 18:25:36 | mcuelenaere | http://pastebin.com/d4bbd5039 |
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| 18:27:03 | domonoky | the path to the api header is wrong. change the include in wpsdrawer.h to "#include "api.h"", should work with the corrected INCLUDEPATH |
| 18:27:15 | mcuelenaere | indeed :) |
| 18:27:30 | mcuelenaere | so that makes a total of 3 fixes |
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| 18:28:38 | mcuelenaere | D:\MinGW_QT\\bin\..\lib\gcc\mingw32\3.4.2\..\..\..\..\mingw32\bin\ld.exe: cannot find -lproxy |
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| 18:28:54 | mcuelenaere | should I do a make first in ../proxy ? |
| 18:29:39 | domonoky | jup, you should do a "make shared" in proxy... (maybe this makefile also needs tweaking :-) ) |
| 18:30:08 | domonoky | i should make a patch with the fixed things, and add rules to the pro file to build it in one go :-) |
| 18:30:11 | mcuelenaere | it does :) |
| 18:30:54 | mcuelenaere | hmm $(OS) gives Windows_NT instead of the expected w32 |
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| 18:32:24 | domonoky | its the same for me, i just added another else clause with OS set to w32 and CC to gcc |
| 18:32:48 | domonoky | also the copy command fails for me, so i copied the dll myself... |
| 18:32:57 | mcuelenaere | and windows expects backslashes instead of slashes.. |
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| 18:33:29 | domonoky | and i created a bin/debug/ dir... more fixes :-) |
| 18:33:57 | * | mcuelenaere wonders how he compile proxy last time... |
| 18:37:59 | mcuelenaere | domonoky: does your .exe also requires mingwm10.dll? |
| 18:39:19 | domonoky | mcuelenaere: i didnt checked which dlls it needs.. |
| 18:39:48 | mcuelenaere | ok, do you know how I can compile it static? (it works if I place the dll's in the same directory) |
| 18:41:07 | domonoky | there are ways, but i dont remember at moment (we had the same problem with rbutil), for you can just copy the dll to the bin dir, or add the mingw/bin dir to your PATH |
| 18:41:20 | domonoky | /for/for now/ |
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| 18:44:33 | mcuelenaere | ok |
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| 18:56:31 | domonoky | mcuelenaere: FS #9226 without the Makefile fixes for the proxy part for now.. :-) |
| 18:56:43 | mcuelenaere | ok :) |
| 18:57:03 | mcuelenaere | don't forget to inform krz about it |
| 18:57:11 | domonoky | sure.. :-) |
| 18:58:14 | mcuelenaere | @all: could FS #7943 do any harm? |
| 18:59:24 | rasher | It looks quite safe. Is it worth messing with though? Does it do any harm as it is? |
| 18:59:43 | mcuelenaere | no, but is a (very small) optimisation |
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| 19:00:08 | rasher | And very unlikely to be hit (ie. few users have unallocated partitions) |
| 19:00:18 | mcuelenaere | true |
| 19:00:35 | mcuelenaere | I'll just leave it in FS then |
| 19:02:11 | rasher | LambdaCalculus37: Does FS #9225 only include changed target-names? |
| 19:02:56 | rasher | Hm, not quite |
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| 19:04:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: Yes. |
| 19:04:18 | rasher | Also a bunch of untranslated strings at the bottom |
| 19:04:36 | rasher | I'll commit the good part |
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| 19:08:14 | rasher | domonoky: Remind me, does rbutil generate voicefiles? |
| 19:08:25 | domonoky | jup |
| 19:08:34 | rasher | Can it apply corrections? |
| 19:08:52 | domonoky | no, that feature is still missing.. |
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| 19:09:04 | * | rasher sighs |
| 19:09:12 | rasher | You just ruined my argument with this japanese guy |
| 19:09:34 | domonoky | :-) |
| 19:10:22 | domonoky | the buildsystem can apply corrections, i dont know about what the voicebox+ script can.. thats the other 2 possibilities |
| 19:10:26 | fml | JdGordon|zzz: (for the log) I think I understand what the magic value FFDB in font.c means. It's FFFF (max. unsigned 2 bytes) minus 36. And 36 is the total size of the fields in the font file before the bits. So if the bits_size is less than this value you can use an unsigned short to address the bytes in the file. Otherwise you have to use a four bytes int. |
| 19:11:08 | fml | Some comments would indeed be good. |
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| 19:11:46 | rasher | domonoky: I know the build system can - I wrote that. The old voicebox could - I don't know about this "Voicebox+" thing |
| 19:13:14 | rasher | He wants to modify the voice strings to fit a specific SAPI voice. I maintain that is awful and wrong, but I can understand why he wants to do it |
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| 19:15:04 | domonoky | hm, it seems this voicebox+ script doesnt even generate voicefiles (only talkfiles) ... |
| 19:15:27 | rasher | Generating voicefiles isn't easy, these days |
| 19:15:43 | rasher | Or rather, writing scripts to generate voicefiles isn't easy these days |
| 19:15:52 | domonoky | but if he uses the buildsystem he can do exactly that.. |
| 19:16:18 | rasher | Yeah. |
| 19:16:45 | domonoky | hm, but with the same help as rbutil has (genlang.cgi :-) ) it should be easy to generate voicefiles for other scripts |
| 19:17:19 | rasher | Ah, didn't know how rbutil did it |
| 19:18:57 | domonoky | so the only choice for this japanese gui, is to use the buildsystem, or add this feature to rbutil :-) |
| 19:19:26 | rasher | domonoky: Do you plan to allow configurable (or even hard-coded - maybe copied from voice.pl somehow) substitutions? |
| 19:20:29 | domonoky | i want a configurable list with a already built in set (copied from voice.pl) sometime in the future, but i dont know when i will find time.. |
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| 19:21:00 | rasher | That's good enough for my argument ("rbutil will do it eventually") |
| 19:22:07 | domonoky | inserting a replacement list is easy, but to get the layout correctly so you have different replacement depending on language and voice is harder.. :-) |
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| 19:23:47 | rasher | I can imagine |
| 19:24:31 | bluebrother | domonoky: what uname do you have installed? If you use the one of the gnuwin32 project you'll get windows_nt ... |
| 19:24:57 | bluebrother | besides, I think making the proxy stuff buildable using qmake would be also helpful |
| 19:25:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: Thanks for the commit. :) |
| 19:25:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm going to do a few more non-translation fixes like that later. |
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| 19:26:03 | rasher | LambdaCalculus37: If you'd be as good as to remove the untranslated strings from the patches, that'd be great (hope you read logs) |
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| 19:28:11 | domonoky | bluebrother: no uname available in the Qt/mingw console :-) |
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| 19:57:07 | * | rasher thinks we should in fact have headers in the language files |
| 19:57:25 | rasher | Including the names of translators |
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| 20:05:19 | bluebrother | domonoky: hmm. Any progress from your student? Just checked his repo and the latest (uncommented :/ ) changes only look like shuffling stuff around |
| 20:06:36 | domonoky | he was here earlier, said that he is working on cleanup, but he was gone before i could ask more.. |
| 20:08:29 | bluebrother | is he krz? |
| 20:09:44 | * | bluebrother figured himself |
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| 20:18:11 | petur | yes, he said he was cleaning up the code |
| 20:18:31 | bluebrother | still broken −− doesn't build without adjustements on windows :/ |
| 20:19:06 | bluebrother | now it can't find QPropertyEditord. hmpf. |
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| 20:21:13 | bluebrother | domonoky: how should qpropertyeditor get built? There is no Makefile or pro file |
| 20:21:39 | domonoky | there is a .pro file in gui/src/QPropertyEditor .. |
| 20:21:55 | bluebrother | ah, missed that. |
| 20:22:12 | kugel | linuxstb: welcome back! removing the special cases from smooth_resize saves 2KB |
| 20:22:19 | bluebrother | bah, that build setup is really crap :( |
| 20:22:27 | linuxstb | kugel: That's not surprising - it's 50% of the code... |
| 20:22:41 | * | bertrik hates special cases |
| 20:22:43 | domonoky | maybe take a look at: FS #9226 i took a fast shot to improve it a little |
| 20:23:08 | linuxstb | bertrik: They have their place (i.e. when optimising for speed). But not in that bmp resize function... |
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| 20:23:42 | linuxstb | kugel: But does the code still work correctly when downscaling in only a single direction? |
| 20:24:34 | bertrik | linuxstb, agreed. I like the principle of "as simple as possible, as complex as necessary" |
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| 20:24:52 | kugel | linuxstb: I think so. I ran test_resize, and I could resize the test.bmp horizontally in both directions |
| 20:25:13 | linuxstb | "horizontally in both directions" ? ;) |
| 20:26:00 | kugel | Yea. On the sansa sim, you resize horizontally and vertically if you turn the scroll wheel, and only horizontally with left/right |
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| 20:26:36 | kugel | and both worked |
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| 20:26:54 | linuxstb | What about only vertically? |
| 20:27:36 | linuxstb | domonoky: I assume there has been no progress trying to get krz's computer talking to the Rockbox svn? |
| 20:28:04 | kugel | linuxstb: Well, test_resize doesn't offer this, but I'll quickly implement it |
| 20:28:20 | linuxstb | domonoky: Sounds like it would be very useful if you and bluebrother could hack directly on his code... |
| 20:29:00 | linuxstb | kugel: So test_resize doesn't do any speed-testing? |
| 20:29:11 | kugel | linuxstb: What I found weird is, that (with idaks patch of course) removing simple_resize from the core for color targets didn't even save 1 byte |
| 20:29:38 | linuxstb | How are you measuring size? And on what target? |
| 20:29:53 | kugel | linuxstb: No, it doesn't |
| 20:30:00 | domonoky | i think there is a solution to his svn problem. a ssh tunnel via port 80 or a like, he just needs a account somewhere... but i dont think the code is really ready to commit... |
| 20:30:24 | kugel | linuxstb: sansa e200 sim. the screen the bitmap is resized "in realtime" |
| 20:30:47 | kugel | s/the screen// |
| 20:30:53 | linuxstb | I mean how are you measuring the binary size difference? |
| 20:31:03 | kugel | compiling a rockbox.mi4 |
| 20:31:15 | linuxstb | And then looking at the size of the .mi4 file? |
| 20:31:19 | kugel | yes |
| 20:31:42 | linuxstb | mi4 files are padded to (I think) 512-byte boundaries, so you won't see small increases/decreases. |
| 20:31:52 | kugel | ah ok, I didn't know that |
| 20:32:09 | linuxstb | Best to look at the apps/rockbox.bin file, or even better, the apps/rockbox.map file |
| 20:32:23 | linuxstb | You can tell the exact size of functions by looking at the .map |
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| 20:32:54 | kugel | If I knew this earlier :S |
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| 20:34:05 | bertrik | map files are great to spot global variables and unintended global functions too |
| 20:34:31 | linuxstb | How can you tell if a global function is unintended? |
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| 20:35:48 | bertrik | it's not automatic but takes some intelligence :P |
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| 20:36:47 | linuxstb | bertrik: I mean, what clues does it give that just looking at the source code doesn't? |
| 20:37:31 | bertrik | A lot of the rockbox global functions have been given a sub-system specific prefix like playlist_ , so a function in playlist.o that doesn't start with that is likely unintended global |
| 20:38:24 | rasher | Huh.. FS #6638 was committed without a realname |
| 20:38:31 | rasher | As far as I can tell |
| 20:38:40 | rasher | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=12255 |
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| 20:39:23 | linuxstb | His real name is "Dieter" ;) |
| 20:39:36 | linuxstb | (according to Flyspray...) |
| 20:39:56 | rasher | Guess I'll shoot him a mail |
| 20:40:11 | linuxstb | There was no subsequent commit to fix that? |
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| 20:41:29 | rasher | Hm, Nope |
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| 20:44:15 | linuxstb | There is a Dieter Pellkofer in CREDITS - added in r14242 Which was FS #7362 - also by "dip".... |
| 20:44:30 | rasher | Ah, that should do it |
| 20:45:06 | rasher | I did see that Dieter, but didn't think of checking which commit added that. |
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| 20:45:55 | rasher | Good catch |
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| 20:46:28 | linuxstb | I would prefer flyspray to require real names, but I recall others liking anonymous bug reports. |
| 20:46:42 | linuxstb | s/liking/wanting to allow/ |
| 20:47:03 | rasher | I agree with allowing anonymous bug reports. Some people might turn around if we require their full name |
| 20:47:59 | bluebrother | they could still report their issues on the mailing list. |
| 20:48:11 | rasher | Then what have we gained? |
| 20:48:35 | rasher | Not everyone wants to bother with subscribing to the mailinglist either |
| 20:48:36 | bluebrother | real names on the tracker? ;-) |
| 20:48:57 | bluebrother | true, but the same applies for signing up for the tracker |
| 20:49:06 | BigBambi | Why not require real names for patches? Surely the point of patches is inclusion, and if they are submitted without a real name they aren't going to get included |
| 20:49:13 | bluebrother | well, how about requiring a real name when posting a patch? |
| 20:49:28 | linuxstb | I think we do in theory, but we should perhaps enforce that more. |
| 20:49:46 | linuxstb | i.e. patches should only be posted if they're intended for inclusion |
| 20:49:48 | rasher | I don't think it needs to be a requirement for the account - as long as we can ask, and he answers (we should do that as the first comment on the patch, though) |
| 20:50:09 | BigBambi | linuxstb: exactly |
| 20:50:19 | linuxstb | This page should probably mention it... http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/newtask/proj1 |
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| 20:51:08 | kugel | linuxstb: Works |
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| 20:52:48 | bluebrother | wow, that h320 went up to almost 180EUR :/ |
| 20:52:49 | kugel | linuxstb: Would you consider 2KB binsize increase as worth it for resizing? |
| 20:53:28 | linuxstb | kugel: I think the feature is worthwhile, and it should be as compact as possible. I have a feeling it can be made smaller... |
| 20:54:13 | kugel | linuxstb: The bmp_resize patch (which actually enables the resize for album art) also adds ~1KB |
| 20:54:16 | linuxstb | But isn't "resize-on-load" the ideal approach? Is there a reason that patch doesn't do that? |
| 20:54:22 | bertrik | kugel: do you have a patch number for that resize patch? |
| 20:54:24 | kugel | But this one can be heavily optimized imo |
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| 20:54:46 | kugel | bertrik: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5697 |
| 20:55:34 | kugel | linuxstb: I'm not entirely sure how the patch works. It's been a while since I was into the algorithm |
| 20:55:47 | kugel | It's possible that the patch already works that way |
| 20:56:30 | linuxstb | No, the resize function takes two pointers - the input bitmap and the output bitmap. |
| 20:57:34 | kugel | linuxstb: I recommend you to read the comments after 14th feb, there already was a discussion on the tracker about this |
| 20:58:42 | kugel | idak says the cover is resized when loaded from disk into metabuffer |
| 20:58:47 | bertrik | is there a description of the "smoothscale" algorithm anywhere? |
| 20:59:37 | kugel | bertrik: it's based on imlib2, so you could google for it. But there's also comments in the file |
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| 21:02:36 | bertrik | I'll google for it, the comments tell me nothing |
| 21:04:01 | bluebrother | bertrik: iirc you can find imlib on the enlightenment homepage |
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| 21:05:59 | kugel | linuxstb: Have you read the comments? Any insight? |
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| 21:18:11 | kugel | I uploaded a new patch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5697 |
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| 21:26:22 | saratoga | haven't looked at the patch, but i'd be surprised if it wasn't bilinear interpolation |
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| 21:34:43 | linuxstb | saratoga: Hi. Thanks for cleaning up the patch - it's much easier to see the real changes now. |
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| 21:37:26 | kugel | Which patch are you talking about, if I may ask? |
| 21:40:15 | saratoga | linuxstb: yeah i'm not sure what happened to my first patch |
| 21:40:34 | linuxstb | kugel: 9222 |
| 21:42:35 | solexx | Which version of the bootloader does Rockbox Utility install on Iriver H120? |
| 21:42:36 | n1s | what do people think of adding some kind of table to the manual with the supported audio formats with some notes what is working nicely, sort of like the wiki page but more easily accessible? |
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| 21:43:26 | n1s | for example "OGG/Vorbis, q1-q10 working well, some old 'floor 0' files may crash rockbox" |
| 21:44:44 | linuxstb | They cause crashes? |
| 21:44:58 | pixelma | rasher: I noticed that in LambdaCalculus' patch you committed the translated "button light timeout" string was emptied (l. 3842 and 3847) - on purpose or a mistake? |
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| 21:46:01 | germanguest | test |
| 21:46:13 | preglow | n1s: they actually crash rockbox? |
| 21:46:14 | n1s | linuxstb: there was one problem sample that did posted in the tracker see FS #5796 |
| 21:46:17 | preglow | i thought they were just slow |
| 21:46:33 | preglow | n1s: but yes, i think that is a good idae |
| 21:46:41 | preglow | n1s: not mentioning audio formats would be silly, if you ask me |
| 21:47:03 | preglow | do we list what formats we support at all? |
| 21:47:41 | n1s | preglow: not in the manual, no, just soem other filetypes like cfg, wps, lng etc. |
| 21:47:43 | pixelma | rasher: and the last change (accessory power) seems to have the features the wrong way around |
| 21:48:44 | pixelma | in the dest and voice part |
| 21:48:50 | n1s | so, should this be an extension of the "Supported file formats" part of the appendix or somewhere in the getting started chapter? |
| 21:49:50 | linuxstb | Should it be "media formats"? Or is our video support too limited to include with audio? |
| 21:50:28 | preglow | n1s: i think perhaps that such lists of formats might be good appendix sections, but then again, they are very much concerned with the main parts of rockbox |
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| 21:51:14 | domonoky | solexx: rbutil install the latest bootloader aviable via the download server, dont know the version |
| 21:51:16 | bluebrother | solexx: the most recent one −− it gets downloaded off the website every time you install |
| 21:51:45 | linuxstb | Looking at the manual's table of contents now, it seems odd to have "Getting Started" and "Quick Start" chapters. What about renaming "Getting Started" to "Introduction" ? |
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| 21:52:41 | n1s | linuxstb: seems, logical since it is more of an introduction anyway :) |
| 21:52:51 | pixelma | n1s: my first thought is extending the supported file formats table because for hwcodec it's already sort of done this way because they use different icons for wav and mp3/mp2, not a strong opinion though. There still is a mistake in that because it's not excluded (yet) for the Player which has a different MAS that can not play wav... |
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| 21:53:44 | solexx | domonoky, bluebrother: that would be (at least) V7-pre4 then, thanks |
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| 21:54:33 | n1s | pixelma: how about putting audio formats in their own table since the "Action when selected" field would be odd for them... |
| 21:55:03 | n1s | also adding a ref somwhere in the early chapters |
| 21:55:06 | bluebrother | solexx: no, v7-pre4 hasn't been released. |
| 21:55:22 | bluebrother | for h100, latest is v6. |
| 21:55:39 | n1s | but maybe hwcodec should use the current table since it only supports mp2/mp3 and wav... |
| 21:55:53 | solexx | bluebrother: ok, thanks for looking that up. |
| 21:56:28 | solexx | I am about to introduce a friend to Rockbox because we are both going to replace the HD with a CF card |
| 21:56:29 | pixelma | n1s: a reference yes, action when selected makes sense for the Archos as long as wavplay is a plugin... hmm... needs some thoughts |
| 21:56:36 | solexx | and CF needs V7-pre4 |
| 21:57:15 | solexx | I just want to know what exactly to do before we get our hands durty |
| 21:57:19 | solexx | *dirty |
| 21:57:30 | bluebrother | well, you can install v6 using rbutil and afterwards use the flashing plugin to update to v7-pre4 |
| 21:57:44 | solexx | bluebrother: will do that |
| 21:57:50 | n1s | pixelma: i will try to look into this next week if i can find the time and the weather is bad :) |
| 21:58:11 | bertrik | n1s, some time ago (svn 14213) you committed some voice code, it seems there's a double "loading" message when loading a plugin: one at line 538 in filetree.c just before calling the plugin and another one inside the plugin_load code itself (plugin.c around line 644) |
| 21:58:13 | n1s | unless beaten to it of course ;) |
| 21:58:32 | n1s | bertrik: oh |
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| 22:00:25 | bertrik | n1s I think the one in filetree can be removed, but I'm not really a regular user of voice |
| 22:01:04 | n1s | bertrik: well spotted :) Ill look into it |
| 22:01:26 | n1s | s/I/I' |
| 22:02:45 | petur | afaik, the V7-pre4 is not enough to use a CF card, you need to build and load an svn bootloader and use it by loading it in some second part of the flash - a process not completely clear to me but I might CF mod my h120 and then find out ;) |
| 22:03:05 | petur | (the above was for solexx) |
| 22:03:39 | solexx | petur: the CFModGuide page says: |
| 22:03:40 | solexx | CF support was added to SVN on 2008-03-09 |
| 22:03:51 | n1s | petur: how's it looking for new official h*00 bootloaders with the imminent release? |
| 22:04:35 | petur | solexx: sure, but the V7-pre4 doesn't contain that |
| 22:05:17 | petur | n1s: Linus found which commit broke the bootloader on my h380, but I fear he hasn't had time for it since |
| 22:05:29 | solexx | petur: but if I install that version of the bootloader, followed by a current build from SVN? |
| 22:06:39 | petur | solexx: try it... I haven't followed the h1x0 much... |
| 22:07:44 | solexx | petur: I will. But of course I'd be grateful if anybody could tell me in advance whether it will actually work :) |
| 22:08:14 | petur | solexx: it will work in the end, you might need some help but we're here ;) |
| 22:08:31 | solexx | petur: the wiki page confused me as well, at first I thought I had to compile Rockbox myself |
| 22:08:51 | solexx | Before reading the sentence quoted above, I installed a build environment :) |
| 22:09:43 | petur | well, I *think* you need to compile a newer bootloader, and load it by using some clever trick in V7-pre4 that can load two bootloaders in flash, so there is no risk in bricking |
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| 22:10:43 | solexx | BTW, setting everything up was incredibly easy. I am completely agnostic re C and all the common tools in use, but that didn't matter at all. |
| 22:10:53 | * | bluebrother figured what made automatic install not work anymore |
| 22:12:50 | bluebrother | still, some stuff needs fixing first :/ |
| 22:15:55 | * | petur returns with a beer |
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| 22:18:07 | rasher | pixelma: I'll have a look |
| 22:18:34 | rasher | petur: Meanwhile, stern looks for committing r14374 http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=14374 |
| 22:21:09 | solexx | petur: CFModGuide's history shows reports of success "without any code modification", but they appear to be from the time before anything has been done in SVN. |
| 22:21:12 | n1s | bertrik: hmm, the sim isn't displaying not speaking any of the splashes... |
| 22:21:19 | * | n1s goes to fetch a device |
| 22:21:30 | solexx | petur: Anyway, I'll either report success or ask for help in here in a few days |
| 22:21:31 | petur | rasher: yeah, that was before I figured out his translations aren't that reliable... I gave up committing lang changes for languages I do not know well |
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| 22:21:48 | rasher | petur: FS #7605 should have been a hint |
| 22:22:01 | petur | solexx: for some cards it works just like that |
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| 22:22:21 | * | petur goes stand in the corner (but takes his beer with him) |
| 22:23:38 | BigBambi | Bagder: Should RSB be on the front page news? It seems an not inconsequential development for the project. |
| 22:23:49 | BigBambi | s/an/a/ |
| 22:24:47 | * | rasher notifies the Italian maintainer |
| 22:26:17 | * | petur does some more english.lang changes |
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| 22:28:49 | n1s | bertrik: the message is indeed spoken twice on target |
| 22:29:23 | solexx | petur: I never thought that "dumb" hardware like a CF card can be so tricky to choose |
| 22:29:47 | petur | CF is all but dumb, it contains a controller |
| 22:29:49 | bertrik | n1s, thanks for confirming, I'm a bit surprised nobody else noticed this so far |
| 22:30:44 | n1s | I'll remove the splash in filetree retest an commit |
| 22:34:17 | * | bluebrother add another workaround ... this really needs cleanup |
| 22:35:38 | ender` | CF cards are nice |
| 22:37:51 | n1s | bertrik: ok, fix is in :) i guess people using voice don't launch that many plugins since voice is not supported there (yet) |
| 22:38:28 | bertrik | n1s, ok thanks |
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| 22:45:14 | solexx | Is a declaration of read/write performance of 30MB/s credible for 1 32GB CF card? |
| 22:46:06 | solexx | that's probably faster than the original 1.8" HD |
| 22:46:07 | ender` | solexx: depends on the manufacturer |
| 22:46:21 | solexx | ender`: sandisk |
| 22:46:32 | ender` | if it's original, you can trust it |
| 22:46:40 | solexx | extreme III, wow |
| 22:46:42 | petur | solexx: I bet that speed will never be reached by the hardware of the iriver... |
| 22:46:57 | ender` | (be careful if you're buying on ebay, because there's a ton of fakes) |
| 22:47:18 | ender` | petur: does iriver use UDMA? |
| 22:47:31 | petur | rockbox uses PIO |
| 22:47:45 | ender` | ok, then it doesn't really matter what card you buy |
| 22:47:51 | ender` | PIO is 20MB/s at best |
| 22:48:13 | petur | and the original firmware doesn't work with most CF cards... |
| 22:48:24 | ender` | why not? |
| 22:48:33 | petur | not compatible? |
| 22:48:52 | ender` | (and you don't really need a sandisk card then either - you can get just about anything, which you'd usually avoid, since many no-name cards don't support UDMA) |
| 22:48:55 | solexx | ender`: I probably won't buy on ebay. But I am not sure yet. And I think there are some trustworthy sellers on ebay.de. It helps if they have a real shop somewhere |
| 22:49:33 | solexx | the original firmware doesn't matter to me, but to my friend it might do. |
| 22:49:41 | petur | iirc, amiconn is quite happy with his transcend 32GB card... not very expensive too |
| 22:50:08 | solexx | at least it's nice to know that buying the most expensive models won't help me anyway |
| 22:50:19 | petur | solexx: with the CF card the original firmware will most probably not work |
| 22:51:10 | solexx | petur: I already told him he needs Rockbox for CF anyway. :) But he is very cautious, he's trying to get an Iriver with a broken HD from ebay first. |
| 22:51:15 | * | ender` 's currently playing with microdrives |
| 22:51:58 | petur | solexx: hahaha, just get a normal h1x0 from ebay, 80% chance the hdd is broken |
| 22:52:21 | solexx | petur: but they are more expensive if the seller lies about it ;) |
| 22:52:24 | scorche|sh | petur: now you are just being bitter ;) |
| 22:52:25 | ender` | solexx: what kind of adapter do you use? |
| 22:52:26 | petur | mine is a refurb from mistic river store, and its hdd is broken as well |
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| 22:52:46 | solexx | ender`: I ordered the one from dealextreme.com, there's a link on the CFModGuide page |
| 22:53:10 | solexx | They shipped from Hongkong to Germany in four days - for free :) |
| 22:53:41 | ender` | what's the size limit of rockbox on iriver? |
| 22:53:43 | * | petur got his from ebay |
| 22:53:56 | solexx | BTW, can anybody confirm that it has to be inserted with its back down? |
| 22:54:09 | solexx | otherwise, it wouldn't fit into the player |
| 22:55:51 | solexx | http://www.dealextreme.com/productimages/sku_10886_1.jpg |
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| 22:56:22 | solexx | The holes left to "PIN1" don't have any counterpart on the connector, right? |
| 22:57:51 | petur | solexx: in my h320, the connectors were aligned on the right side. adapter placed normally (back down). You'll probably need to bend the jumper forward to make it fit |
| 22:59:03 | solexx | petur: Ok. How did you bridge the jumper? Aluminium foil? |
| 22:59:29 | ender` | you could probably just bend it together |
| 22:59:43 | ender` | that's what one of my old laptop hdds did :) |
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| 23:00:20 | petur | no, I left the jumper on it |
| 23:01:18 | bertrik | or just solder a wire between the traces to the jumper and snip the pins |
| 23:01:32 | solexx | bertrik: I didn't want to hear the s-word! |
| 23:01:33 | bertrik | s/jumper/pins/ |
| 23:01:57 | bluebrother | s-word? snip? |
| 23:02:21 | solexx | solder. But that might be an easy first try. |
| 23:02:21 | ender` | solexx: bend the pins and solder them |
| 23:03:00 | petur | pfff... just bend the bloody jumper forward and it's done... |
| 23:03:21 | petur | why make this so complicated |
| 23:03:52 | solexx | petur: I am just afraid they might break |
| 23:03:59 | petur | nah |
| 23:04:02 | ender` | petur: why go for the obviously easy solution? |
| 23:04:16 | bertrik | better buy two then |
| 23:04:18 | ender` | solexx: if it breaks, then solder it together :) |
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| 23:04:38 | petur | jumper pins do not break easily |
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| 23:07:02 | solexx | Ok, thanks all. My GF needs attention, so bye for now. |
| 23:09:28 | Soap | sansa R series on woot.com for the next few minutes. |
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| 23:14:27 | rasher | Should language files include GPL information? |
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| 23:19:44 | * | rasher decides that they should |
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| 23:33:01 | joshin | How's the new USB stack on the e2xx series these days? Is writing to internal flash safe? |
| 23:33:49 | bertrik | the problem was some kind of interaction between USB and SD, I think gevaerts fixed it by making sure that USB and SD access are not overlapping |
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| 23:34:20 | bertrik | I haven't tried rockbox USB myself in a while |
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| 23:38:55 | joshin | thanks bertrik |
| 23:42:09 | Soap | * bluebrother thinks we should get a codename for 3.0 |
| 23:42:22 | rasher | Didn't we have one? |
| 23:42:22 | Soap | swordfish is always the password, perhaps it should be the codename. |
| 23:43:57 | bluebrother | Soap: we do? |
| 23:44:04 | * | petur votes for BoS |
| 23:44:08 | bertrik | there was some talk yesterday about using beer varieties as release/code name |
| 23:44:09 | bluebrother | "mayday" is ... outdated ;-) |
| 23:44:13 | scorche|sh | Soap: eh...i will probably put a proposal on the list tonight or some such...i thought about beer varieties =P |
| 23:44:34 | scorche|sh | "as a tribute to the thing that makes the rockbox project possible" |
| 23:45:28 | * | petur then votes for Cantillon |
| 23:45:51 | petur | or maybe mort subite ;) |
| 23:46:02 | petur | damn, so many possible names |
| 23:46:05 | linuxstb | Maybe we can get sponsership... |
| 23:46:06 | * | Llorean doesn't like codenames. |
| 23:46:16 | linuxstb | (in product of course, not cash...) |
| 23:46:26 | Llorean | Someone will ask for support with Rockbox Cantillon, and I'll have to go and check a crib sheet. |
| 23:47:03 | bluebrother | codenames for rbutil would be nice too :) |
| 23:47:04 | Soap | beer is fine for the release name. Still need a code name. |
| 23:47:05 | * | linuxstb also dislikes codenames, and finds simple version numbers... errr, simpler. |
| 23:47:12 | Soap | boo |
| 23:48:54 | bluebrother | well, call it release name ;-) |
| 23:50:11 | * | bluebrother thinks release names are fun |
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| 23:51:34 | rasher | In an amazing turn of events, only one person contributed to more than one translation, and that may have been a mistake on my part. |
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| 23:53:14 | webguest46 | hey |
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| 23:54:10 | webguest46 | i was wondering if theirs any progress on the sansa sandisk e200 v2 project |
| 23:54:30 | webguest46 | i got a sandisk e280 v2 |
| 23:54:53 | linuxstb | webguest46: All progress is in the forum thread(s). But I don't think it's much. |
| 23:54:57 | bertrik | I think the most up-to-date info can be found on the forum |
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| 23:55:26 | webguest46 | i was working on trying to mod it myself |
| 23:56:09 | webguest46 | but i figured out you can manually change the firmware maybe can coperate OF bootloader in it |
| 23:56:50 | webguest46 | then you can load .rockbox |
| 23:57:08 | webguest46 | im not sure.... just was thinking |
| 23:57:29 | linuxstb | "coperate" ? |
| 23:58:18 | webguest46 | work with it |
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