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| 00:02:01 | afruff23 | does "Distribute and modify as you wish" count as a license? |
| 00:02:48 | linuxstb | afruff23: Seems clear to me. |
| 00:02:55 | Hillshum | to distribute and modify as wished |
| 00:02:58 | petur | pixelma: that hebrew lang file is really weird. many of the voice entries are placed incorrect |
| 00:03:06 | petur | not just for recording or agc |
| 00:03:35 | pixelma | wow I can see the peakmeters moving from voice output in the trigger screen on my Ondio, wonder if that's always been the case |
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| 00:04:20 | desowin | afruff23: I'd add no warranty info to it |
| 00:04:20 | petur | oh, so the peakmeters are still in output mode? |
| 00:05:52 | pixelma | in the trigger screen where it speaks the options now, maybe that's not right on hwcodec at all? I don't know enough though :\ |
| 00:06:36 | petur | it's a very good hint and probably explains why recording doesn't work... I'll write it down and check |
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| 00:09:31 | pixelma | I turned voice off now but that didn't help. Regarding the speaking trigger screen, I really start thinking that it shouldn't on hwcodec, if I remember correctly I've been told once that the MAS itself needs to be in recording mode |
| 00:10:13 | pixelma | triggered recording is off though |
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| 00:30:36 | Xqtftqx | Can somebody help me to edit the source to exclude a directory in the database, or only search one directory? |
| 00:31:15 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: Put a file called database.ignore in the directories you want ignored |
| 00:31:32 | Xqtftqx | hmmm, thanks |
| 00:31:42 | afruff23 | there's already one in the rockbox folder |
| 00:31:45 | afruff23 | just copy and paste it |
| 00:32:24 | Xqtftqx | wheres the default settings in the source for that file? |
| 00:32:40 | linuxstb | "default settings"? |
| 00:32:47 | Xqtftqx | i want to make it add the dir everytime |
| 00:32:59 | BigBambi | eh? |
| 00:33:00 | Xqtftqx | where the file is the source |
| 00:33:22 | BigBambi | If you leave the file there, the database will permanently ignore it... |
| 00:33:22 | linuxstb | Xqtftqx: Why don't you start by explaining what you want to do? |
| 00:33:28 | * | petur wonders why he's fixing hebrew.lang and not doing something useful |
| 00:34:02 | Xqtftqx | i already said above, i want to include a lin in database.ignore when i build rockbox |
| 00:34:07 | pixelma | petur: I just compared to a non-patched build of the same revision on my Ondio - recording works and the trigger screen doesn't talk |
| 00:34:16 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: Just leave it on your player |
| 00:34:33 | BigBambi | The database.ignore relates to the music on the disk, not to the source |
| 00:34:39 | Xqtftqx | i know |
| 00:34:49 | Xqtftqx | open(IGNORE, ">.rockbox/database.ignore") || die "can't open database.ignore"; |
| 00:34:59 | BigBambi | ? |
| 00:35:06 | Xqtftqx | in makezip.pl i want to add a line there |
| 00:35:14 | BigBambi | I don't understand |
| 00:35:26 | Xqtftqx | whould i just do "echo /My_Podcasts >> .rockbox/database.ignore" |
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| 00:35:39 | Xqtftqx | after that, to add that line everytime i compile |
| 00:35:54 | scorche|sh | Xqtftqx: why would you ever need to do that? |
| 00:36:01 | BigBambi | I still don't understand what you are trying to do |
| 00:36:11 | linuxstb | Xqtftqx: No, you create a file called database.ignore in the /My_Podcasts directory. |
| 00:36:15 | scorche|sh | you simply place a file called database.ignore in whatever folder you want ignored as has been said... |
| 00:36:15 | Xqtftqx | ok, heres what im trying to do |
| 00:36:34 | Xqtftqx | oh i get it thanks linuxstb |
| 00:36:45 | BigBambi | Isn't that what I said? |
| 00:37:00 | scorche|sh | BigBambi: it is what all 3 of us said ;) |
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| 00:37:12 | Xqtftqx | i though you meant, in the .rockbox dir, with the directories i want to ignore |
| 00:37:19 | BigBambi | er, no |
| 00:37:27 | scorche|sh | < BigBambi> Xqtftqx: Put a file called database.ignore in the directories you want ignored |
| 00:37:34 | Xqtftqx | i know |
| 00:37:40 | Xqtftqx | sorry, i was confused, its fine now |
| 00:37:45 | BigBambi | scorche|sh: The combined will power won :) |
| 00:37:50 | BigBambi | Xqtftqx: cool :) |
| 00:40:10 | Xqtftqx | will it ignore all subdirs to? |
| 00:40:56 | BigBambi | yes |
| 00:41:10 | BigBambi | Unless you put a database.unignore file in a subdir |
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| 00:49:45 | Marfugga | I'm trying to use v10 of this patch (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8799) to resize the list in rockbox to show up on the right half of my screen (my left side is cracked) I applied the patch, recompiled, installed rockbox, and added "list viewport: -,160,-,-,-,-,-" to config.cfg. then when rockbox starts the menu is still normal, unchanged. any idea what i did wrong? |
| 00:50:03 | Marfugga | oh and i have an ipod video 5.5g |
| 00:51:44 | linuxstb | If you go to the System->Info (I think...) screen, what version of Rockbox does it say you're running? |
| 00:52:09 | Marfugga | well remember it's almost impossible for me to see |
| 00:52:19 | Marfugga | cause the left side of my screen is cracked, and that's where the menu is |
| 00:53:04 | Marfugga | right now i'm compiling revision 18104 which is the same as the one they were using for the patch if i'm not mistaken |
| 00:53:05 | linuxstb | Ah yes, sorry... OK, then what does the .rockbox/rockbox-info.txt file on your iopd say for "Version:" |
| 00:53:11 | Marfugga | let me check |
| 00:54:26 | petur | I assume it is known that the build server is down? |
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| 00:54:46 | linuxstb | petur: I don't think anyone has noticed... |
| 00:55:02 | petur | last build was yesterday evening |
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| 00:55:18 | petur | I mean 30/7 |
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| 00:56:12 | zeleftikam | I have installed a 2GB microSD card for the first time on my Sansa C250 running Rockbox. When I select `Database`, it says "Database is not ready, Initialize now?" I select "Yes", and the device hangs for about a half an hour counting songs, committing database, and then turn turns off. When I restart, the database is not initialized and I get this message again. Any ideas? |
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| 00:56:22 | Marfugga | linuxstb: Version: r18096M-080801 |
| 00:57:02 | linuxstb | Marfugga: OK, I just wanted to check for the obvious - that you hadn't correctly installed the modified version. That seems to show you have (the M means the source is modified from SVN) |
| 00:57:08 | zeleftikam | Specifically, it hangs on :Committing Database [5/9] |
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| 00:57:43 | Marfugga | maybe kugel can help |
| 00:57:48 | Marfugga | since it's his patch i think |
| 00:58:00 | linuxstb | Marfugga: Have you tried building the UI simulator? It may be easier to debug things there. |
| 00:58:47 | Marfugga | linuxstb: i'll try that, but since i'm building revision 18104 you think it might work on that instead of 18096? even though the patch didn't fail with either refision |
| 00:58:51 | kugel | Marfugga: sure, what's up? |
| 00:59:09 | linuxstb | Marfugga: I would be surprised if that made a difference. |
| 00:59:10 | Llorean | zeleftikam: It shouldn't turn itself off. |
| 00:59:33 | Marfugga | kugel: i'm trying v10 of your patch, i added that line you told me to add to config.cfg, but the menu is unchanged when i start rockbox |
| 00:59:34 | advcomp2019 | zeleftikam, what kind of music files are you using? |
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| 00:59:49 | zeleftikam | they are all MP3. there is one JPEG on the microSD card. |
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| 01:00:24 | kugel | Marfugga: I already told you, but ok |
| 01:00:30 | kugel | take the .patch file |
| 01:00:35 | kugel | open it in an editor |
| 01:00:37 | webguest92 | wish i could compile my own version of rockbox |
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| 01:01:17 | kugel | and remove anything from Index: wps/WPSLIST to Index: wps/wpsbuild.pl |
| 01:01:32 | petur | pixelma: I think I found and fixed the archos issue, new patch is up but take your time (I'm off to bed now anyway) |
| 01:01:39 | kugel | Marfugga: I changed the default themes to automatically reset the custom list, but that's obviously not wanted in your case |
| 01:01:57 | pixelma | petur: nice, will try |
| 01:02:13 | kugel | removing the changes to WPSLIST will NOT cause the included themes to reset the custom list |
| 01:02:17 | linuxstb | kugel: But if Marfugga added the line to the .cfg file, why would the theme.cfg files affect anything? |
| 01:02:18 | stripwax | webguest92 - nothing stopping you, all the instructions are in the wiki pages on rockbox.org |
| 01:02:22 | Marfugga | kugel: i think i already did that, going to check now |
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| 01:03:21 | webguest92 | after two attempts i give up! I even used the "simple" guide |
| 01:03:30 | kugel | linuxstb: Hmm, not actually sure (maybe I missread, I |
| 01:03:37 | kugel | 'm slightly drunken) |
| 01:04:01 | kugel | anyway, if he checks it, it'll remove 1 error source from the check list |
| 01:04:36 | kugel | from my experience with my patch, the custom list doesn |
| 01:04:44 | kugel | 't change after a reboot |
| 01:05:01 | * | kugel hates apostrophe being next to enter |
| 01:05:42 | kugel | Marfugga: Please copy&paste the line you added to your config.cfg |
| 01:05:55 | Marfugga | list viewport: -,160,-,-,-,-,- |
| 01:06:25 | kugel | I'll check it on my sansa |
| 01:06:29 | zeleftikam | i solved my problem (the internal memory was full and it couldn't write the database) |
| 01:07:09 | Marfugga | kugel: i deffinately removed the WPSLIST part |
| 01:07:17 | stripwax | zeleftikam - interesting - I (and you!) would have expected it to show an error message and not lock up |
| 01:07:57 | zeleftikam | yeah, a message reflecting this would have been nice. the space wasn't an issue until i installed the accessory card and it tried to add those files to the catalog |
| 01:08:07 | webguest92 | nyways,, before i waste anouther two hours,,,if i compile my own version using 3 patches,,am i correct to assume that i'll never be able to update using the r,b-utility?,,(i'll have to compile a new version every day?) |
| 01:08:41 | pixelma | petur: sorry to say but now compiling fails |
| 01:09:01 | petur | hmmm sorry bout that |
| 01:09:11 | BigBambi | webguest92: correct, rbutil will not sort out patched versions for you |
| 01:09:15 | zeleftikam | cheers folks! |
| 01:09:16 | stripwax | webguest92 - you can update using the rb utility, but what you'll get when you update is just the latest regular build without your patches. so, I think that means 'yes' |
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| 01:09:28 | stripwax | but there's nothing stopping you running rb util to update anyway |
| 01:09:30 | webguest92 | all i wanted to do is add a couple of patches,,,darn,,,lol |
| 01:09:38 | kugel | Marfugga: Ok, I see. Doesn't work for me either |
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| 01:09:58 | sophie` | hi there :) |
| 01:10:05 | linuxstb | webguest92: What patches? Maybe you can pursuade people to accept them... |
| 01:10:06 | BigBambi | webguest92: rbutil installs the official build - it can't possibly create all the millions of possible combinations of patched builds |
| 01:10:08 | sophie` | Can anyone help me ? I just setup Rockbox on my Ipod 5.5 |
| 01:10:16 | sophie` | But I'm not able to play any MP3 or MP4 video.. |
| 01:10:17 | BigBambi | If you tell us the problem, sure |
| 01:10:25 | BigBambi | MP4 video is not supported |
| 01:10:29 | sophie` | ok |
| 01:10:30 | BigBambi | on MPEG1/" |
| 01:10:33 | sophie` | and MP3 ? |
| 01:10:36 | BigBambi | *2 |
| 01:10:43 | BigBambi | MP3 should be fine |
| 01:10:46 | webguest92 | i am really happy with the software,,,i just wanted these upgrades ,,,oh well,,,i'll list them ass soon as i get them looked up again,,,give me a sec or two |
| 01:11:01 | Marfugga | kugel: are you still working on that patch? that is to say, will you look into it when you have time? |
| 01:11:02 | BigBambi | for video see www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer |
| 01:11:21 | BigBambi | sophie`: What is the problem with MP3? |
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| 01:11:34 | webguest92 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9088 heres one |
| 01:11:40 | sophie` | No sound, and always at 00:00 / 00:00 |
| 01:11:51 | kugel | Marfugga: Try 160,0,-,-,-,-,- |
| 01:12:00 | scorche|sh | sophie`: where did you aquire this MP3? |
| 01:12:12 | BigBambi | How did you transfer them and how are you accessing them? And how did you install rockbox? |
| 01:12:12 | sophie` | From an album I own |
| 01:12:15 | sophie` | Used CDEX to ripp it |
| 01:12:47 | kugel | besides that I messed up x and y, replacing any of x and y with and - seems not to work (blame JdGordon in this case) |
| 01:13:12 | petur | pixelma: fixed... |
| 01:13:15 | sophie` | And it's strange because If I select "properties" the artist and title are showed. But when trying to play it it says "unknown artist" |
| 01:13:36 | sophie` | it does that for all my MP3 |
| 01:13:38 | Marfugga | kugel: it works now |
| 01:13:46 | BigBambi | <BigBambi> How did you transfer them and how are you accessing them? And how did you install rockbox? |
| 01:13:57 | Marfugga | kugel: you pretty much made me able to use my broken ipod again, i love you |
| 01:14:23 | scorche|sh | o_O |
| 01:14:24 | kugel | Marfugga: great! I have to thank you too, I didn't know that you cannot replace the first 2 parameters with an - |
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| 01:15:27 | kugel | Marfugga: See, the first parameter is the x, the second is the y coordinate of the top left corner of the viewport. So, you can "optimize" the list viewport even more to fit your broken LCD |
| 01:15:45 | kugel | linuxstb: one more reason to commit custom list vp :P |
| 01:16:16 | sophie` | Solved...; |
| 01:16:20 | sophie` | with a simple reboot of ipod.. |
| 01:16:33 | kugel | sophie`: that sounds like windows |
| 01:16:42 | sophie` | what ? |
| 01:16:55 | BigBambi | don't worry |
| 01:17:02 | kugel | sophie`: Rebooting is the magic medicine for windows |
| 01:17:07 | sophie` | lol :P |
| 01:17:08 | Marfugga | kugel: sweet, it's actually a little less than half of my screen that's broken, so i'll play with the values till it fits just right :D |
| 01:17:13 | sophie` | That's why I don't use Windows :P |
| 01:17:18 | webguest92 | well i cant find the other two,,,anyways i dont think i'd want to have to compile it again every day |
| 01:17:38 | kugel | although, I wouldn't call a reboot a solution, it'll probably happen again |
| 01:17:41 | sophie` | Woaw, videos functions of Rockbox seems to sucks.. |
| 01:17:47 | BigBambi | why? |
| 01:17:57 | linuxstb | sophie`: On the video ipod it does... |
| 01:18:31 | sophie` | 14fps ?! |
| 01:18:42 | BigBambi | Yes, we don't know how to use the broadcom chip |
| 01:18:49 | kugel | Marfugga: the 3rd and the 4th parameters are the width and height respectively, as long as you don't need a right margin, you can leave the "-", but you are able to put a margin on the right side too |
| 01:18:50 | BigBambi | Ask Apple to give us the specs |
| 01:18:50 | linuxstb | It just uses the main CPU to decode the video, not the video processing chip (which is undocumented and therefore unused). |
| 01:19:01 | BigBambi | sophie`: However look ast it on the other targets... |
| 01:19:03 | sophie` | Ok. I'm gonna call Steve |
| 01:19:07 | BigBambi | please do |
| 01:19:11 | sophie` | :P |
| 01:19:16 | kugel | sophie`: generally on ipod G5+, use the OF to watch videos |
| 01:19:19 | BigBambi | If we had the specs, it would work and not "suck" |
| 01:19:26 | BigBambi | Sorry about that |
| 01:19:28 | sophie` | Sorry If you think I was rude :P |
| 01:19:52 | sophie` | I know how hard is to code something like Rockbox :) |
| 01:20:07 | BigBambi | especially with zero documentation |
| 01:20:15 | sophie` | heheh |
| 01:20:37 | kugel | Marfugga: Am I right that you don't use any other patch now? |
| 01:21:05 | sophie` | Someone knows how to use Rockboy on an ipod video ? All the roms I tried were horrible |
| 01:21:15 | kugel | Marfugga: I'd highly appreciate feedback on the patch (if they are not obviously related to your broken LCD), so feel free to post on the tracker |
| 01:21:16 | BigBambi | Have you looked at the manual? |
| 01:21:30 | Xqtftqx | sophie`: You probly used bad roms |
| 01:21:33 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:21:36 | sophie` | Absolutely BigBambi ! |
| 01:21:38 | sophie` | <−−−− *lies* |
| 01:21:45 | BigBambi | Well please do then |
| 01:21:49 | linuxstb | sophie`: You also seem to be going through the worst-performing features in Rockbox (on your particular device - large LCD and relatively slow CPU) |
| 01:22:10 | Marfugga | kugel: Before today I hadn't even tried rockbox, or even used cygwin, and i don't even get on irc |
| 01:22:16 | sophie` | linuxstb: Hey, it's my first time on rockbox so I'm trying to look at all it can do :P |
| 01:22:28 | kugel | Marfugga: You're welcome in any case :) |
| 01:22:33 | Marfugga | kugel: it's the only patch i used :D |
| 01:22:50 | Marfugga | kugel: I was saying i'll deffinately post feedback, just need to think of something to write :D |
| 01:23:18 | kugel | Marfugga: Just to let you know, most plugin (except for the options menu) will not use the list, also the pitch- and recording screen ignore it (as of now) |
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| 01:24:33 | pixelma | petur: for the logs - progress but still some very weird issuses. Ask my tomorrow about it in case I forget to comment on the tracker, need to get some sleep now too |
| 01:24:36 | kugel | I'm working on the pitchscreen, and petur is working on recording, so those two are likely to be "converted" in the future. |
| 01:24:53 | sophie` | Oh |
| 01:24:56 | sophie` | About Recorder |
| 01:25:00 | kugel | But I guess you're just happy that you can browse your music again, and that makes me smile too :) |
| 01:25:01 | sophie` | I don't know how it should work |
| 01:25:12 | Xqtftqx | pitchscreen? whats the matter with it? |
| 01:25:25 | kugel | Xqtftqx: it doesn't use viewports |
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| 01:25:32 | sophie` | Do I need to plug a microphone on the ipod ? O_o |
| 01:25:41 | Xqtftqx | huh |
| 01:26:09 | kugel | Xqtftqx: Not a problem (IMHO) alone, but required for my custom list vp patch |
| 01:26:10 | Hillshum | to record? |
| 01:26:14 | sophie` | yes |
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| 01:26:33 | Marfugga | kugel: yeah it's like being blind and then being able to see again :) more literal than you'd think hah |
| 01:26:35 | BigBambi | It only has line in via the dock connector |
| 01:26:37 | linuxstb | sophie`: Your ipod has a line-in connection hidden in the dock connector. You need to build/buy a suitable adapter, then plug something into it. |
| 01:26:45 | sophie` | oh cool |
| 01:26:48 | sophie` | didnt know that |
| 01:27:00 | Hillshum | what pins |
| 01:27:37 | webguest92 | so is it easier to compile under linux? |
| 01:27:42 | linuxstb | It was documented on the ipodlinux wiki, so let's hope that returns... |
| 01:27:50 | kugel | Marfugga: To be honest, when creating this patch, I didn't think of people with broken displays, but rather of beatiful themes :P Anyway, I'm happy that you're happy due to my patch |
| 01:27:53 | sophie` | I'm soooo tired |
| 01:27:55 | sophie` | I leave now :) |
| 01:27:58 | sophie` | See you! |
| 01:28:03 | BigBambi | sophie`: This is an on-topic channel |
| 01:28:14 | kugel | Marfugga: Actually, I would also be happy if you are happy due to rockbox itself .) |
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| 01:29:02 | linuxstb | webguest92: Everything is easier under linux. ;) Feel free to discuss in #rockbox-community... |
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| 01:29:39 | webguest92 | if i cant discuss compiling rockbox here i guess i cant anywhere |
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| 01:29:59 | linuxstb | Oops. A misunderstanding there.... |
| 01:30:43 | kugel | linuxstb: Isn't it great that the guy can use his dap again due to rockbox? I definitely think so |
| 01:31:00 | BigBambi | That's always been true |
| 01:31:06 | Viperfang | I have a creative zen vision:m and would like to try rockbox, can I go back to the original zen firmware? |
| 01:31:17 | BigBambi | I wouldn't be able to use my gigabeat S without Rockbox |
| 01:31:26 | BigBambi | The OF is just too bad |
| 01:32:29 | kugel | linuxstb: Great idea of you to point him to the custom list patch |
| 01:32:57 | Viperfang | also, how do I attach a compact flash card to the hard disk connector of the zen? I know its possible as there is talk of it on the info pages. |
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| 01:35:52 | kugel | Marfugga: Be sure that you are using an unsupported build now. So, in case of problems, first contact me |
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| 01:40:54 | Marfugga | kugel: now that you mention it i can't seem to get the database to initialize |
| 01:41:19 | Marfugga | kugel: nothing seems to happen when i select database, except a blank screen, and as soon as i touch the wheel it goes back to menu |
| 01:41:43 | Marfugga | kugel: but i doubt it's got anything to do with your patch |
| 01:46:33 | kugel | Marfugga: Well, I think it does. The database is unitialized by default. When you first select it, you need to confirm "initialize now?" with the select button. You can possibly not read the text, because that message doesn't use the custom list |
| 01:46:54 | Marfugga | kugel: gonna get to sleep now though, i'll be on tomorrow regardless of whether or not i solve it :) |
| 01:47:03 | Marfugga | kugel: oh i'll try pressing center or something then |
| 01:47:08 | Marfugga | ku |
| 01:47:15 | Marfugga | kugel: good night! |
| 01:47:26 | kugel | Marfugga: Now wait. If you are lucky you'll see the half of the splash which tells you to reboot |
| 01:48:21 | kugel | Marfugga: that's the reason you need to contact me first. Most of the time, users of unsupported builds don't think the error is related to the build, which is sometimes a wrong assumtion |
| 01:48:57 | Marfugga | kugel: i pressed the centre button and now it's initializing |
| 01:49:05 | Marfugga | kugel: good call |
| 01:49:46 | pbryan | Can I ask a dumb question, now I've been lurking for a while? Why does RB need to reboot after building database? |
| 01:49:59 | Marfugga | night all! kugel i'll leave you feedback tomororw morning, or rather this morning |
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| 01:50:28 | kugel | Marfugga: have a good night |
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| 01:54:44 | kugel | pbryan: It doesn't always do it |
| 01:54:57 | kugel | I can't tell you the conditions though |
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| 01:55:57 | kugel | Slasheri: I need to have a talk with you! ;) |
| 01:56:11 | pbryan | kugel: thx. |
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| 01:58:23 | kugel | pbryan: It's possibly related with the load into ram feature. I can imagine, that if you have enabled this, and there's not enough ram, you'll need to reboot |
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| 02:00:44 | * | kugel is still unsure what's more hilarious: 0xdeadbeef or 0xdeadface |
| 02:03:02 | * | scorche|sh remembers back when we had a lot of bug reports about 0xc0edbabe |
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| 02:07:37 | kugel | scorche|sh: c0edbabe is boring :P |
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| 02:12:17 | Viperfang | Any response to my queries? |
| 02:12:28 | kugel | Does anyone know if there's a computer equivalent for crossfeed? |
| 02:13:07 | kugel | Viperfang: There's a wiki page which should tell you everything |
| 02:13:16 | kugel | mabe even more wiki pages! |
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| 02:19:03 | kugel | Viperfang: Did you find needed information? |
| 02:19:35 | Viperfang | Im gonna work on it tomorrow, bit tired |
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| 02:28:58 | kugel | advcomp2019: ping |
| 02:29:14 | advcomp2019 | kugel, pong |
| 02:29:33 | kugel | advcomp2019: regarding abi, you are mod, aren't you? |
| 02:29:47 | advcomp2019 | yea why |
| 02:30:58 | kugel | advcomp2019: Coud you please enforce 2 things? when people release themes for rockbox, force them to a) state which build is required (i.e. current build/a specific custom build/required patches) and b(even more important)) a license? |
| 02:32:08 | kugel | it pretty much sucks, when people just post their themes, and do not use a license. |
| 02:34:15 | MarcGuay | Soap: Does Cabbie 2.0 have a license automatically by it's inclusion? |
| 02:36:16 | advcomp2019 | i will work on a thread for that.. it might take me a bit unless Llorean or another rockbox dev that looks on their get to it before me |
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| 02:37:18 | kugel | advcomp2019: Especially regarding the license issue: Non-licensed themes are highly disliked (e.g. forbidding for the upcoming official theme site). |
| 02:37:19 | MarcGuay | Soap: Good luck sorting through all that, by the way. If I have some free time I'll try to chip in. |
| 02:37:45 | kugel | Also, I have to fight for 2 of the themes in my build, since the authors were to lazy to put a license on it. |
| 02:38:25 | MarcGuay | Most authors probably wouldn't give a crap either way, you just need to tell them to copy and paste something and explain what it means. |
| 02:38:37 | kugel | advcomp2019: For the other issue: iDop in the sansa rockbox -> finished theme section created confusion, since it basically only works with my build, but the authot didn't tell that |
| 02:39:01 | advcomp2019 | i know have updated and modified one that was on the old theme site |
| 02:41:43 | kugel | advcomp2019, MarcGuay: I'd call abi a major theme repository. And there are loads of themes which are great, but de facto incompatible with rockbox, since they are license-less |
| 02:42:04 | kugel | advcomp2019: It'd be very nice, if you could pay a bit attention on this 2 issues. I highly appreciate that |
| 02:42:30 | kugel | especially since I ran into a wall myself due to unlicensed themes |
| 02:44:03 | advcomp2019 | yea i might make a sticky about it.. is there a rockbox page with this info of the copyright one mainly so people will say "i am not going to do this because i do not believe you" |
| 02:45:43 | kugel | advcomp2019: Not that I know of. But, as long as the authors created the theme themselves, they own the copyright. They just need a permissive license for a) people like me, who are willing to redistribute the theme and b) people who wants to update (=modify) the theme. |
| 02:46:17 | Soap | MarcGuay, I am running under the ASSumption that those distributed in SVN are GPL. |
| 02:46:24 | kugel | advcomp2019: I'd handly it like the upcoming official theme site: If there's no license, there's no theme; if you know what i mean |
| 02:46:40 | advcomp2019 | yea |
| 02:46:54 | Viperfang | gnite |
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| 02:47:06 | MarcGuay | Soap: Nice ASSumption. :) Is that license not similar to by-SA? |
| 02:47:30 | Soap | for what we want it is similar enough TTBOMK |
| 02:47:31 | MarcGuay | I noticed Cabbie 2.0 had been moved to the graveyard, which seems like an odd contradiction... |
| 02:47:41 | Soap | Archos or Iriver? |
| 02:47:45 | Soap | (H100) |
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| 02:48:11 | MarcGuay | iriver grey |
| 02:48:18 | kugel | I am wonderign: by-sa isn't gpl-compatible. So, is preinstalling them in a package allowed (since the themes are not compiled) or not (since gpl software doesn't do well with non-gpl one)? |
| 02:48:42 | Soap | yea - I'm still in the process of cleaning that one up. I broke some of the links, fixing those now, will get cabbie in a sec. |
| 02:48:46 | kugel | non-gpl by the means of gpl-incompatible |
| 02:48:52 | MarcGuay | Soap: I have a modified version of it on the e200 page, which I guess I should tag with GPL, then? |
| 02:49:27 | Soap | I'm not going to get to the colour targets tonight, so either fix it now and I'll move it, or fix it later and you can move it then. ;) |
| 02:49:55 | MarcGuay | Is writing "License: GPLv2" enough? |
| 02:50:57 | Soap | _I_ would prefer the license was explicitly stated 1-On the wiki, 2-In the .wps and .cfg files. |
| 02:52:00 | Soap | Would prefer a full chain-of-license in the .wps and .cfg files. ie comments which additively list all modifications. |
| 02:53:07 | scorche|sh | kugel: nothing links... |
| 02:53:47 | * | scorche|sh thinks that cc-by-sa is better suited to themes than GPL though |
| 02:55:29 | kugel | scorche|sh: I agree on your latest statement, but I didn't not understand what you meant with "nothing links" |
| 02:56:46 | scorche|sh | you can throw whatever you wish together in a "package" as long as you dont say things like "everything in this package is licensed GPLv2"...your hard drive could be considered a package |
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| 02:56:57 | scorche|sh | the issue comes when GPL code links non-GPL code |
| 02:57:11 | scorche|sh | which doesnt happen with WPSs |
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| 02:57:33 | kugel | scorche|sh: ah ok, thanks for clearing up |
| 02:58:13 | kugel | scorche|sh: I actually wasn't sure if preinstalling themes into my build is legal |
| 02:58:45 | scorche|sh | sure it is...just make sure you abide by whatever licenses they are under and if they arent under any, make sure you have explicit permission |
| 02:59:04 | scorche|sh | and distribute the build with licensing info with it, of course |
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| 03:06:19 | kugel | scorche|sh: Yea, Llorean already "forced" me to include license info (I' actually thankful for that) |
| 03:08:22 | Xqtftqx | Anybody think a gui tool for creating themes is a good idea? like a vb.net layout kind of thing? users select where they want things and such |
| 03:08:41 | Soap | MarcGuay, maybe you know why the text isn't wrapping on my new "graveyard" pages, My paragraphs are all on one line, forcing a horizontal scroll. |
| 03:08:42 | scorche|sh | Xqtftqx: it is being worked on as a summer of code project.. |
| 03:09:04 | Xqtftqx | It is? i didnt see anything on the summercode page |
| 03:09:05 | MarcGuay | Soap: I noticed that. I'll take a look if you'd like. |
| 03:09:10 | Soap | please |
| 03:10:07 | MarcGuay | Soap: Strange, they seem fine now...? |
| 03:11:08 | Soap | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH100Graveyard ? |
| 03:11:26 | Soap | the first paragraph does not wrap for me (FF3.0.1) |
| 03:11:48 | advcomp2019 | Soap, i have the same issue |
| 03:12:14 | MarcGuay | It didn't wrap for me the first time I looked at it but they are now. Maybe a page refresh is all it needs? |
| 03:12:23 | MarcGuay | *it is |
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| 03:13:12 | Soap | not here. |
| 03:13:23 | Soap | alt-F5, it does nothing! |
| 03:14:12 | Soap | ahh, it's the <verbatim> text of PeterErakhov's wps which is doing it! |
| 03:14:39 | Soap | and oezuylasi's |
| 03:15:39 | MarcGuay | FF2.0.0.16 is only putting scrollers on those sections. |
| 03:15:48 | Soap | that's nice |
| 03:15:48 | MarcGuay | And leaving the rest alone.. |
| 03:16:12 | MarcGuay | Those are monster lines though, damn. |
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| 03:17:23 | Xqtftqx | Anybody know how i convert a wav file to a talk file? |
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| 03:22:56 | kugel | wow |
| 03:23:48 | * | MarcGuay wonders when the blank screen in Flyspray will be looked into... |
| 03:23:57 | kugel | there's just 1 guy who says "do not post this theme elsewhere without my permission", even though he didn't created the theme alone (but with the help of someone who's able to code) |
| 03:25:00 | MarcGuay | kugel: If I was going to give the updated bmp resize a test run, I'd apply which patches? |
| 03:26:54 | Xqtftqx | The latest ones... |
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| 03:28:11 | Xqtftqx | MarcGuay: Flyspray loads for me |
| 03:28:44 | MarcGuay | Xqtftqx: Click on Tasklist or the Show Task # button. |
| 03:29:07 | MarcGuay | Empty searches bug out,. |
| 03:29:08 | advcomp2019 | kugel or MarcGuay or scorche even, i think you might want to talk to Enzo about themes because i am not thinking right today for sure and i do not want to mistype something that is needed |
| 03:31:56 | Xqtftqx | MarcGuay: It still loads |
| 03:32:34 | MarcGuay | Xqtftqx: What browser are you using? Anyone else? |
| 03:32:54 | Xqtftqx | Firefox 3.0 in ubuntu |
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| 03:34:12 | MarcGuay | Xqtftqx: It's giving you a full tasklist? I guess you win some (see convo with Soap above) and lose some (this). |
| 03:34:50 | Xqtftqx | yep |
| 03:34:56 | Xqtftqx | h/o ill show you something |
| 03:35:02 | MarcGuay | Xqtftqx: What's the address in the taskbar? "http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/proj1?do=index"? |
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| 03:35:31 | Xqtftqx | oh, now it doesnt load |
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| 03:35:50 | Xqtftqx | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index/proj1?type=4&order=id&sort=desc&order2=&sort2= |
| 03:35:54 | Xqtftqx | that page loads for me |
| 03:36:31 | MarcGuay | Xqtftqx: Right, but you've filtered for patches. Any search for "all" returns a blank sheet. |
| 03:36:59 | MarcGuay | No biggie, there are workarounds, but... |
| 03:37:20 | Xqtftqx | Huh |
| 03:39:14 | kugel | advcomp2019: just require any license. Don't force them to use a specific one. You can only say "if you want you theme to be free, use cc-by-sa, else say I do not allow any redistribution or modification" |
| 03:39:35 | MarcGuay | Is the "usual" development order LCD/Buttons -> ATA driver in order to read from the drive and load_firmware()? |
| 03:40:00 | kugel | advcomp2019: The important fact is: no license means not allowed to resdistribute or modify or anything (no license = *all* rights resevered) |
| 03:40:10 | MarcGuay | I've been going over the read/write stuff for the c100 and would like to make sure I'm heading in the right direction. |
| 03:42:22 | kugel | advcomp2019: I'd glady talk to the abi staff, but a) they don't like me anymore and b) I'm not an "official rockbox guy", which means they |
| 03:42:30 | kugel | 'll probably laugh at me anyway |
| 03:42:49 | advcomp2019 | kugel, i know |
| 03:42:58 | Xqtftqx | What did abi do? |
| 03:43:20 | kugel | Xqtftqx: I can't remember anymore actally |
| 03:43:39 | Xqtftqx | Lol, then why talk to them |
| 03:44:04 | kugel | Xqtftqx: The only thing I remember is that they banned me from the irc channel and the forum (in the forums for a short perioid only though) |
| 03:44:21 | Xqtftqx | what did you do |
| 03:44:26 | kugel | ahh! Wait I remember! I said I didn't like dfkt's theme |
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| 03:44:43 | kugel | dfkt is an admin |
| 03:44:53 | kugel | he instantly banned from the irc channel for that |
| 03:45:09 | * | Llorean wonders what this discussion has to do with Rockbox. |
| 03:45:31 | Xqtftqx | Lol, (ok im about to go off topic) "You dont like my car?!? Then you dont get a ride home!!!" |
| 03:45:45 | kugel | exactly |
| 03:45:54 | Llorean | Xqtftqx: You don't get to pick to go off topic. |
| 03:46:04 | Xqtftqx | sorry, i had to say that |
| 03:46:08 | Llorean | No, you didn't. |
| 03:46:10 | Llorean | And you won't do it again. |
| 03:46:12 | Llorean | Understand? |
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| 03:46:47 | Xqtftqx | yes |
| 03:47:10 | Llorean | There's an off-topic channel. If you can't resist the urge to talk about non-Rockbox things, do it there, it's that simple. |
| 03:47:27 | Xqtftqx | alright, im sorry |
| 03:48:40 | advcomp2019 | Llorean, i think you might want to work on something for the abi forums for the themes since i do not want to mess it up mainly and get yelled at by someone from here :) |
| 03:50:09 | Llorean | I have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 03:52:03 | advcomp2019 | kugel, MarcGuay, and maybe Soap know what is going on |
| 03:52:26 | Llorean | Well, I can't work on anything if I don't know what's going on... |
| 03:52:59 | MarcGuay | kugel suggested that the people at ABI tell the people making themes that they should license them. |
| 03:53:06 | advcomp2019 | it is something with themes and the licenses |
| 03:53:19 | Llorean | Well, here's what they can be told. |
| 03:53:34 | Llorean | "CC-by-SA" is a popular license that a lot of us like because it gives very similar rights to the GPL. |
| 03:53:53 | Llorean | "CC-by-SA" is also probably the license we'll pick for the new theme site, meaning your theme won't be postable there without it. |
| 03:54:25 | advcomp2019 | i wish my head was not hurting after read all this heh |
| 03:54:31 | Llorean | Licenses must be explicit: You have to say, clearly, "You are allowed to do this, this, and this." If you don't say "You are allowed to do X" then people aren't allowed to do it. |
| 03:54:52 | Llorean | People can of course license their themes however they like, but being clear about it means that other people can fix them, which is important. |
| 03:55:26 | scorche|sh | advcomp2019: i will bug dfkt next i see him about it |
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| 03:56:23 | advcomp2019 | o ok thanks scorche|sh |
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| 04:00:46 | Soap | I'm confused about what my name has been dragged into. ;) |
| 04:01:04 | Galois | some would say that there are rights of fair use and first sale which exist even when the license does not specifically allow it |
| 04:01:23 | Soap | "first sale" LMFAO |
| 04:01:36 | Soap | "fair use" is a PERSONAL right, not a redistributable right. |
| 04:01:56 | Galois | indeed, fair use is not a redistributable right. What would it mean to distribute a right anyway? |
| 04:02:29 | Galois | fair use is a right available to any member of the public. Or at least I've heard rumours that it is. The RIAA of course disagrees strongly with the rumours. |
| 04:02:49 | Soap | I have no idea how anything you are saying is topical, Galois. |
| 04:03:27 | Galois | I was responding to the claim that Llorean made |
| 04:03:28 | Galois | If you don't say "You are allowed to do X" then people aren't allowed to do it. |
| 04:03:38 | Llorean | Galois: In terms of distribution and modification. |
| 04:03:48 | Llorean | We're clearly discussing distribution licenses here. |
| 04:03:52 | Soap | We are talking about the redistribution of WPSs. Neither of the legal concepts you threw out there like so much mud against the wall stick. Neither of them grants you the right to redistribute anything in the best of times, and clearly nothing in this situation. |
| 04:04:01 | Unhelpful | and that is what is being discussed, for example, the case of fixing a theme broken by changes in rockbox |
| 04:04:18 | Galois | fair use grants the ability to redistribute in certain settings, such as educational. |
| 04:05:02 | Soap | is this one of those settings? |
| 04:05:21 | Galois | no, but it's overbroad to say as a blanket statement that under all circumstances the license must explicitly allow something before it is allowed |
| 04:05:44 | Soap | Nothing Rockbox has done suggests such a straw man. |
| 04:06:01 | Galois | I agree. I am not responding to anything Rockbox has done. I am responding to one line that Llorean wrote five minutes ago. |
| 04:06:07 | Llorean | Galois: It is fair to say "the license must explicitly allow something before it is allowed, except in cases where law makes an exception" |
| 04:06:17 | Galois | Llorean: yes, that is certainly correct |
| 04:06:19 | Llorean | I thought legal exception was automatically implied since no license can remove your legal rights. |
| 04:06:40 | Llorean | Since it is physically impossible for them to do so, I thought it would be a reasonable assumption on the reader's end that I was not implying they could. |
| 04:07:05 | Soap | (and I thought "in this context" was automatically implied as my sentences would be even longer if I had to issue a twenty line disclaimer on everything I said in this channel.) |
| 04:07:17 | * | Llorean agrees |
| 04:07:59 | scorche|sh | this is #rockbox...it should be generally accepted that we are referring to how things pertain to Rockbox and not "in general" unless it is explicitely said |
| 04:08:19 | Soap | Looks like many more of the recent target's WPSs are licensed permissively than the two B/W ones I did already. |
| 04:08:40 | scorche|sh | Soap: thanks to the little clause on r-t.o |
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| 04:42:46 | JThundley | I'd like to upload my wps/theme to the wiki, it says I need to ask for wiki write permission first, is that right? |
| 04:44:14 | MarcGuay | Yep. What's your full name? |
| 04:44:44 | MarcGuay | Did you register yet? That's the first step. |
| 04:44:49 | JThundley | yeah I did |
| 04:44:58 | JThundley | <−−- full name |
| 04:45:29 | JThundley | I might have registered with John Hundley |
| 04:45:43 | num1 | might have? |
| 04:45:46 | MarcGuay | I'll need the name you registered with. |
| 04:45:53 | JThundley | JThundley |
| 04:46:21 | Soap | Not an allowed wiki name |
| 04:46:29 | MarcGuay | I see a John Hundley who registered on July 13th. |
| 04:46:40 | JThundley | that's me |
| 04:46:51 | Soap | 1 - does your theme meet the theme guidelines? |
| 04:47:14 | JThundley | I followed this page if that's what you mean: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery#WPS_Upload_Guide |
| 04:47:49 | Soap | which links to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ThemeGuidelines |
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| 04:49:42 | Soap | You're registered, just alerting you on the theme expectations. |
| 04:50:55 | JThundley | it's a good thing you did, I have a few changes to make. I need to specify colors and add some comments to the theme file... Would calling my theme 'jt' would be inappropriate? |
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| 04:51:49 | Soap | I don't think it would be. |
| 04:52:12 | cool_walking_ | It could cause confusion if people just refer to "jt" on the forums, without specifying that it's a theme. |
| 04:52:33 | cool_walking_ | But that's their problem |
| 04:53:23 | JThundley | I'll call it jt1 then, in case I ever make another theme :) |
| 04:53:30 | num1 | JThundley: fine with us |
| 04:53:49 | JThundley | rofl |
| 04:54:04 | JThundley | says "num1" |
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| 05:48:00 | advcomp2019 | Soap, thanks for that link for the theme guidelines.. i asked someone if there was something like that and they said they did not know |
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| 06:05:20 | lymeca | linuxstb: You around? |
| 06:07:31 | lymeca | I'm redoing my FAT32 partition in fdisk and I don't know which type to choose |
| 06:08:08 | JThundley | lymeca: vfat |
| 06:08:09 | lymeca | b W95 FAT32 or c W95 FAT32 (LBA) or e W95 FAT16 (LBA) or f W95 Ext'd (LBA) |
| 06:08:16 | JThundley | b |
| 06:15:50 | lymeca | JThundley: It won't mount? |
| 06:16:00 | lymeca | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 06:16:00 | JThundley | mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 |
| 06:16:08 | JThundley | sudo of course |
| 06:16:12 | lymeca | JThundley: carefule!! |
| 06:16:21 | JThundley | or whatever your device is |
| 06:16:23 | lymeca | Don't recommend that to inexperienced users, my goodness. |
| 06:16:33 | JThundley | /dev/sda1 is my root partition :) |
| 06:16:38 | lymeca | I have SATA so /dev/sda1 is my root computer partition |
| 06:16:47 | lymeca | My iPod is /dev/sdb |
| 06:16:53 | JThundley | well sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1 then |
| 06:16:56 | lymeca | But why would I want the FIRST partition on it to be vfat? |
| 06:17:07 | JThundley | what else would the first partition be? |
| 06:17:08 | lymeca | The second partition has the data... |
| 06:17:13 | lymeca | Rockbox boot loader? |
| 06:17:18 | lymeca | and Apple firmware? |
| 06:17:42 | JThundley | they use multiple partitions on the ipods? I don't have an ipod |
| 06:17:48 | lymeca | Haha |
| 06:17:58 | lymeca | yeah careful on advice giving then |
| 06:18:14 | lymeca | JThundley: before it goes to FAT32, HFS+ iPods have THREE partitions |
| 06:18:22 | JThundley | well I'm still nudging you in the right direction, I'm sure you know what you're doing |
| 06:18:27 | lymeca | When "PC formatted" to FAT32 it goes down to two |
| 06:18:31 | lymeca | Yeah... |
| 06:18:32 | JThundley | that's whacky |
| 06:18:49 | lymeca | Okay so fdisk didn't create the filesystem, just the partition |
| 06:19:00 | lymeca | What is the purpose of selecting the "type" in fdisk then? |
| 06:19:01 | scorche | there should be a wiki page about all this...IpodManualRestore or something liek that |
| 06:19:49 | lymeca | scorche: my case is a bit different because of the fact I have a 30GB 4th gen |
| 06:20:00 | lymeca | There is no MBR image on the wiki for a 30GB 4th gen |
| 06:20:16 | lymeca | I have to tweak the MBR manually and get the filesystem working on it myself |
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| 06:21:04 | scorche | ah |
| 06:21:04 | lymeca | JThundley, linuxstb: But just out of curiosity, if fdisk didn't create the filesystem, then why do I have to select FS type when creating the partition? |
| 06:21:21 | lymeca | That's the last thing I think I don't understand |
| 06:21:28 | JThundley | I'm not exactly sure, I've always just done it and not dwelled on it ;) |
| 06:25:08 | lymeca | wtf |
| 06:25:15 | lymeca | stupid folder icon with eclamation point |
| 06:25:23 | lymeca | WHY CAN'T APPLE MAKE PROPER ERROR MESSAGES |
| 06:26:27 | lymeca | Oh shoot, what the hell happened? |
| 06:26:43 | lymeca | the /dev/sdb1 AND /dev/sdb2 are vfat |
| 06:26:54 | lymeca | That's no good... both are being automounted and both show the same contents. |
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| 07:43:43 | ___lx_ | hi all. i've got a problem. some of my files have russian id3 tags. i've changed default codepage to utf-8 and font to unifont. when i'm looking at database i see correct song names, but in the playback screen tags dont look correct. i see ??? instead of tags. could anybody help me? sorry for my english |
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| 07:56:22 | OneFix | Has anyone thought of porting the mp3 decoder used in tuniac to RockBox? |
| 07:56:44 | scorche | any special reason why? |
| 07:57:51 | OneFix | Because Tony Million seems to write the best decoders out there. I just found his newest project...I used Sonique up until recently and Tuniac still has the same puch and quality that AudioEnlightenment did |
| 07:58:49 | scorche | i am not well aware of "tuniac"...do you know what he based the codec off of?...if it is fixed point?...in C?...etc? |
| 07:59:16 | scorche | our mp3 codec works just fine for the moment... |
| 07:59:27 | OneFix | I don't know what he tweaks in mpg123 or how his decoders sound so good, I'm told that they actually break a lot of standards to sound the way they do...but I don't care then because it sounds better than anything I've heard since |
| 07:59:39 | OneFix | scorche: mpg123 |
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| 08:01:11 | OneFix | scorche: Yea, I know it does...and I think it sound a little better than the official iPod decoder, but it would be great if I could get the same sound quality out of my portable player |
| 08:02:13 | scorche | are there RMAA comparisons for this particular codec that would show "how good it sounds" without taking placebo and such into effect? |
| 08:02:15 | OneFix | scorche: http://tuniac.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tuniac/Tuniac1/mp3_Plugin/ <−− for the source code |
| 08:02:18 | num1_away | Can you describe how it sounds differently that say, the decoder we use? |
| 08:02:35 | num1_away | s/that/than |
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| 08:03:42 | OneFix | There's more punch to the bass, mids and highs are clearer (mids don't sound muddy) and yet the audio never sounds overdriven |
| 08:04:21 | scorche | that doesnt tell me anything...is there any objective proof such as RMAA tests? |
| 08:04:59 | num1_away | ___lx_: I recommend asking again in about 10 hours, most of the lead developers are not awake at the moment |
| 08:05:13 | ___lx_ | ok |
| 08:05:40 | scorche | OneFix: also, that code in in both C++ and is floating point...it wouldnt be very simple to port at all.. |
| 08:05:53 | scorche | s/in in/is in |
| 08:06:26 | LinusN | num1_away: most of the european lead developers are soon awake |
| 08:06:48 | OneFix | scorche: Well, I know, but the tweaks he makes might not be as hard to impliment |
| 08:06:48 | GodEater | those that aren't still on holiday anyway ;) |
| 08:07:17 | LinusN | OneFix: regardless of how "good" it sounds, we prefer decoding as accurate as possible |
| 08:07:17 | scorche | OneFix: such as?...and i still havent seen anything that might prove "the quality" of this codec... |
| 08:07:40 | LinusN | this sounds more like an EQ tweak |
| 08:07:58 | num1_away | I stand corrected. But I was under the assumption the european developers mainly worked at their night, as opposed to in their morning. (Wheras I'm just about to hit the sack) |
| 08:08:48 | LinusN | num1_away: that might be somewhat true |
| 08:09:10 | LinusN | ___lx_: which WPS theme are you using? |
| 08:09:45 | OneFix | scorche: Well, if you remember the days of WinAmp 2 and Sonique, there was a big war between the 2 and WinAmp 3 tried to compete with Sonique, but Sonique was sold to Lycos and Lycos let it flounder. The 2 best things Sonique had fgoing for it were the interface and the MP3 decoder |
| 08:10:00 | ___lx_ | LinusN> cabbiev2 |
| 08:10:16 | LinusN | ___lx_: ...with a unicode font? |
| 08:10:20 | scorche | OneFix: i dont remember that, but this still sint telling me anything |
| 08:10:41 | scorche | OneFix: regardless, i very much doubt this codec would be ported unless you were to do it yourself |
| 08:11:04 | ___lx_ | <LinusN> is font included into theme? i selected _unifont_ in menu |
| 08:12:08 | LinusN | ___lx_: ok, then the unicode font should be used in the wps |
| 08:12:13 | OneFix | scorche: And because AudioEnlightenment (the decoder) sounded better to most of us with *ears*, there were lots of tests about how inaccurate it was at decoding and yet anyone that listened to it could tell the difference from the start. The audio just sounds more alive. |
| 08:12:22 | LinusN | can i have one of those songs? |
| 08:12:47 | ___lx_ | just a minute ) |
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| 08:14:00 | scorche | "with *ears*?"...i dont get what you are trying to say...also, inaccuracy is not one of the things we desire in our codecs...also, i very much doubt your "anyone" comments |
| 08:14:08 | scorche | [23:12:34] <scorche> OneFix: regardless, i very much doubt this codec would be ported unless you were to do it yourself |
| 08:14:18 | OneFix | scorche: Have you heard of musikCube? |
| 08:14:35 | scorche | no |
| 08:18:29 | LinusN | hehe, i just read an old MP3 decoder comparison, where Sonique was "Terrible" and MAD was "Very Good" :-) |
| 08:19:28 | scorche | LinusN: isnt audiologica great? =P |
| 08:19:30 | GodEater | LinusN: if the decoder doesn't sound like a Bag of Shit, I'm not interested frankly. |
| 08:19:38 | LinusN | HAHAHA |
| 08:20:32 | ___lx_ | LinusN −−- http://www.sendspace.com/file/zxfp3h |
| 08:21:28 | GodEater | I think we have that as a unique feature of our decoder, and I wouldn't want to squander it. What other application can say that they sound like a bag of shit? No-one, that's who. |
| 08:21:47 | OneFix | LinusN: There were many that went the other way as well. Almost all of them that said Sonique was horrible were testing how close to the origonal it was...which dosn't exactly work in the real world |
| 08:23:17 | scorche | OneFix: all of this is conjecture and opinions... |
| 08:23:22 | LinusN | ___lx_: does it help setting the default codepage to cyrillic? |
| 08:26:32 | ___lx_ | LinusN> thank you ) i'm stupid :D i though my tags were in unicode. sorry for lame question |
| 08:26:49 | OneFix | scorche: Yea, I know...but you can do you own objective comparison and I still get people that love the sound of Sonique when comparied to more contemporary decoders and I can see the same quality in tuniac |
| 08:27:16 | LinusN | OneFix: does that apply to all kinds of music and all kinds of earphones? |
| 08:27:30 | LinusN | i suspect that it won't |
| 08:27:31 | OneFix | LinusN: Everything I've put up against it |
| 08:27:56 | scorche | OneFix: i also know people that love 64kbps mp3 files..."what people like" varies wildly |
| 08:28:01 | scorche | but... [23:16:01] <scorche> [23:12:34] <scorche> OneFix: regardless, i very much doubt this codec would be ported unless you were to do it yourself |
| 08:28:34 | LinusN | regardless, it's not the job of the decoder to shape the audio different from the original |
| 08:28:38 | * | GodEater has deja vu |
| 08:28:53 | OneFix | scorche: I know :) |
| 08:29:33 | LinusN | this reminds me of the "audiophiles" that reviewed the 5-band hardware eq in rockbox |
| 08:29:42 | LinusN | which never existed |
| 08:29:47 | OneFix | LinusN: Well, that's a differing opinion...since MP3 cuts out some of that origonal sound, I would argue that it's the job of the decoder to make the data it is given sound the best that it can |
| 08:29:51 | scorche | hahaha...i did love that |
| 08:30:16 | LinusN | OneFix: yes, and "best" in this case is nothing else than "close to the original" |
| 08:31:05 | LinusN | OneFix: and "original" means the uncompressed version |
| 08:31:25 | OneFix | LinusN: Well, if everyone cared about exacting detail, we would al be using FLAC |
| 08:31:43 | * | scorche uses FLAC... |
| 08:32:25 | LinusN | OneFix: you have a point there |
| 08:32:55 | OneFix | scorche: And so do I for some stuff...and I use OGG for a good bit of stuff too...bot most people use MP3 |
| 08:33:07 | * | GodEater would much rather his mp3 decoder didn't "make stuff up as it went along" thanks |
| 08:33:19 | scorche | not a point that says that trying to be as accurate as possible isnt the way to go |
| 08:33:53 | LinusN | OneFix: still, i think a decoder should always strive for accuracy |
| 08:34:47 | OneFix | I'm told (and this comes from old reviews that may or may not be available) that the decoder introduces what can only be termed as some "error" that is pleasing to the ear. So while it might not be as accurate as mpg123 was origonally, it is prefered over the origonal. |
| 08:35:44 | * | GodEater would argue "it's not preferred here" |
| 08:35:49 | LinusN | OneFix: that is probably true, but is it pleasing to all ears? |
| 08:35:53 | OneFix | Kind of like how a lot of DVD encoders run a sharpen filter first to make the video seem clearer |
| 08:35:55 | scorche | really...you can stop saying all of these things that you have heard... |
| 08:36:07 | scorche | i dont see that this conversation is going to get anywhere... |
| 08:36:17 | scorche | are you here to try and convince a developer to port it for you? |
| 08:38:35 | OneFix | No, I was origonally asking if there was anyone that had looked at the decoder. The next question would be, can it be done? Or in other words, has anyone replaced a plugin in RockBox? |
| 08:39:14 | GodEater | why would you replace one? You'd have it as an additional. And you mean "codec" not "plugin" |
| 08:39:18 | scorche | OneFix: as i have already said, the porting would be non-trivial as the code that you pointed to is both in C++ and uses floating point |
| 08:39:42 | scorche | among other reasons |
| 08:40:07 | LinusN | however, it would surely be interesting to know what it does to the sound to make it sound "better" |
| 08:40:31 | OneFix | ok, no problem...just interested...maybe that's why we havent heard a portable device that sounds like it |
| 08:41:47 | OneFix | http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t42660.html <−− here's a link that may help in explaining some of the reasons it sounds better... |
| 08:41:54 | * | GodEater goes to download tuniac to see if he can even tell the difference |
| 08:43:02 | GodEater | oh good lord, it's windows crap |
| 08:43:45 | OneFix | GodEater: Yea, I know...that's the other thing I would like to fix...which might be eaiser (port it to Linux) |
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| 08:44:02 | GodEater | how do you even know it's output isn't being butchered by DirectX ? |
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| 08:44:58 | OneFix | GodEater: Because at least Sonque could use the RAW audio output |
| 08:45:29 | OneFix | I haven't checked it in Tuniqc yet, but I would hope that's the default now too |
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| 09:29:07 | GodEater | what is the default sort order in flyspray ? |
| 09:30:25 | linuxstb | I think it's sorted by priority first, then date |
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| 09:33:28 | GodEater | ah thanks |
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| 09:48:03 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Can remote WPSs have album-art? |
| 09:50:42 | pixelma | no (as far as I know). That would mean searching for 2 album art images would be needed. Technically the Iaudio remote could though as album art is enabled on greyscale... |
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| 09:51:04 | linuxstb | pixelma: I'm thinking about the upcoming (?) bmp resize patch. |
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| 09:53:38 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I think they can have it, but it most likely won't show. I'm checking the code |
| 09:54:39 | Nico_P | really I'm not sure what would happen if both had AA |
| 09:55:09 | LinusN | sounds like a nearly useless feature, but i think we should support it if it isn |
| 09:55:16 | LinusN | 't a big problem |
| 09:55:32 | linuxstb | I would expect to see colour remotes at some point as well... |
| 09:56:20 | pixelma | some people already asked about 2 album art images in the main WPS (for the back or the next track album art)... |
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| 09:59:53 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Have you looked at the latest album-art bmp resize patch? IIUC (which I may not...) it loads the bmp temporarily into the audio buffer, then resizes it into the audio buffer, then discards the original version. |
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| 10:00:22 | Nico_P | I think it's the reverse |
| 10:00:59 | Nico_P | ... or not. I read too fast |
| 10:01:30 | Nico_P | but no, I haven't had a look at it yet. I should though |
| 10:07:02 | * | petur wonders if Bagder is already around.... |
| 10:07:46 | LinusN | he is on vacation, but doesn't log off IRC when he is away, for some reason |
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| 10:08:30 | petur | LinusN: did you know the build server needs some poking? |
| 10:08:44 | LinusN | i didn't know |
| 10:08:54 | LinusN | lemme check |
| 10:08:54 | petur | last build 2 days ago |
| 10:11:30 | pixelma | reading the log reminds me that I wanted to contact the main cabbiev2 author and ask him about switching to nimbus fonts as that one at least has greek/cyrillic/hebrew letters in all font sizes... |
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| 10:14:21 | pixelma | petur: tried the rec_v12 patch, peakmeters move now and the trigger screen doesn't talk but I already found 2 other problems. Should I comment on it in the tracker or here? |
| 10:14:34 | petur | tracker please |
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| 10:17:02 | pixelma | ok |
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| 10:17:38 | petur | thanks for testing, btw |
| 10:17:42 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Regarding the bmp resize, something I'm not sure about is what happens if there isn't enough room in the buffer to load the original image. Is loading delayed, or the image ignored? Also, does it take care of the buffer wraparound? |
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| 10:20:45 | Nico_P | linuxstb: depends where the original image is loaded. I thought it was in the image buffer, but if it's in the audio buffer there'll be no wraparound and it there's not enough room the track loading will be aborted |
| 10:21:07 | Nico_P | (because it means the buffer is full so it's not worth loading any audio data) |
| 10:22:13 | Nico_P | hmm actually no sorry, failing to load AA doesn't abort the buffering of the song |
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| 10:39:56 | nyeonaway | hello everyone, can anyone help me to define playlist? |
| 10:40:03 | LinusN | define? |
| 10:40:08 | nyeonaway | to create |
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| 10:40:27 | LinusN | there are many ways |
| 10:40:42 | nyeoN | like how? |
| 10:40:51 | LinusN | what part of the manual didn't you understand? |
| 10:41:37 | LinusN | nyeoN: which target? |
| 10:41:53 | nyeoN | just a playlist with favorite songs... |
| 10:42:04 | LinusN | nyeoN: which target? |
| 10:42:14 | LinusN | as in "which player do you have" |
| 10:42:23 | nyeoN | oh sansa e200 |
| 10:42:49 | LinusN | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-670004.4.2 |
| 10:43:40 | nyeoN | btw can you help me choose good earphones for running? |
| 10:44:06 | LinusN | not really :-) |
| 10:44:21 | LinusN | that depends on what you define as "good" |
| 10:45:07 | LinusN | still, i have had the same headphones for years, so i don't know what other headphones there are nowadays :-) |
| 10:46:18 | nyeoN | well I've read the manual but still cant figure how to create the playlist with couple of songs I choose |
| 10:46:49 | petur | phew... all green |
| 10:47:51 | nyeoN | LinusN can you guide me? :D |
| 10:48:07 | LinusN | nyeoN: now you can help us update the manual by telling us what you don't understand |
| 10:48:22 | LinusN | what did you try and what happened? |
| 10:48:28 | nyeoN | playlist submenu what is that? |
| 10:50:15 | nyeoN | well I got into playlist but I dont see where can I insert songs I want to... it just created a playlist by itself |
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| 10:51:59 | LinusN | nyeoN: i assume you are browsing the file tree? |
| 10:52:13 | nyeoN | what? |
| 10:52:28 | LinusN | are you looking at the file list? |
| 10:52:35 | LinusN | or are you using the database? |
| 10:52:45 | nyeoN | file list. |
| 10:53:04 | LinusN | good, now go to a directory where the songs you want to add are |
| 10:53:31 | nyeoN | there are no directore |
| 10:53:33 | nyeoN | there are no directorires |
| 10:53:43 | LinusN | all files in one directory? |
| 10:53:57 | nyeoN | yes |
| 10:54:32 | LinusN | place the cursor on the file you want to add and hold the SELECT button to pop up the context menu |
| 10:54:50 | LinusN | i don't have a sansa so i don't know which button that is |
| 10:55:11 | LinusN | in the context menu you can select "playlist catalog" |
| 10:56:53 | LinusN | if this is the first time you can now select "Add to new playlist" and then enter the name of the new playlist |
| 10:57:29 | GodEater | Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy biiiiirthday dear Nico_P, happy birthday to yoooooooou. |
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| 10:57:53 | LinusN | for subsequent songs, you do the same thing, but select "Add to playlist" instead |
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| 10:58:26 | nyeoN | I did that |
| 10:58:38 | LinusN | oh, it's Nico_P's birthday? Congratulations Nico_P!!!!!!!! |
| 10:58:51 | nyeoN | opened new playlist added one song, now I open the menu press playlist and insert and the song isnt in the playlist menu... |
| 10:58:51 | LinusN | nyeoN: good, now you have a playlist |
| 10:59:17 | LinusN | nyeoN: it's "playlist catalog", not "playlist" |
| 10:59:41 | nyeoN | I press view current playlist... |
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| 11:00:03 | LinusN | the current playlist is the one you are playing at the moment |
| 11:00:49 | LinusN | to find the playlist catalog, go to the main menu and select "Playlists", then "View catalog" |
| 11:01:12 | nyeoN | did that but only one song is showing up instead of the seven I added |
| 11:01:54 | LinusN | then you did something wrong |
| 11:02:21 | LinusN | did you really add the other 6 to the same playlist, using the playlist catalog? |
| 11:02:51 | nyeoN | ok I figured that out thanks :D |
| 11:03:10 | LinusN | so it works for you now? |
| 11:03:34 | nyeoN | yes thanks |
| 11:03:37 | LinusN | i'm glad i could help |
| 11:03:42 | LinusN | can i ask a favour in return? |
| 11:05:02 | Nico_P | thank you GodEater and LinusN :) |
| 11:05:16 | GodEater | :D |
| 11:05:16 | nyeoN | yes you can |
| 11:06:17 | LinusN | nyeoN: please take a few minutes and see if you can find a way to improve the manual, to make it more clear |
| 11:07:31 | nyeoN | np |
| 11:08:43 | LinusN | thanks |
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| 11:13:52 | petur | LinusN: had a good vacation? |
| 11:14:41 | LinusN | petur: yup, it was nice - which made getting back to work so much more painful :-) |
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| 11:15:06 | petur | LinusN: I can tell, you're so nice and friendly :p |
| 11:15:16 | LinusN | hahaha |
| 11:15:34 | LinusN | ...which i normally isn't? ;-) |
| 11:16:05 | petur | ;) |
| 11:16:20 | * | GodEater tries to remember who it was said "the RSB is composed of the five grumpiest developers we have" recently |
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| 11:16:53 | petur | grumpyness is a requirement for the RSB! |
| 11:17:18 | * | Nico_P takes a piece of petur's cake :) |
| 11:17:22 | petur | LinusN should be replaced! |
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| 11:17:34 | LinusN | GodEater: hahahaha |
| 11:18:33 | linuxstb | GodEater: That was me ;) |
| 11:19:01 | * | GodEater couldn't actually think of many more cheerful developers to have on it.. |
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| 11:40:55 | mcuelenaere | Nico_P: Congrats! :) |
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| 11:42:48 | Nico_P | thanks :) |
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| 12:06:00 | mcuelenaere | rasher: I read from the logs you had a look at working on the theme site; how far did you get? |
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| 12:06:50 | rasher | mculeneare: Not much farther than having a look around and figuring out how it works |
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| 12:06:57 | mcuelenaere | ok |
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| 12:07:45 | robin0800 | How do you build sansapatcher on vmware? |
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| 12:08:28 | linuxstb | robin0800: Look at the README file in rbutil/sansapatcher |
| 12:09:26 | robin0800 | linuxstb, thanks will do |
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| 12:21:35 | robin0800 | did the read me but no exe file made is this broken or did i do something wrong? |
| 12:21:58 | linuxstb | It wouldn't make an .exe, you're compiling in Linux... |
| 12:22:38 | robin0800 | can i make one that runs in windows? |
| 12:22:40 | linuxstb | Do you have the mingw32 cross-compiler installed ? I don't know if that's a standard part of the Rockbox vmware images. |
| 12:22:53 | rasher | Is apps/ really required to build rbutil? |
| 12:23:30 | linuxstb | Possibly for the voice stuff? Or the speex encoder? |
| 12:23:56 | linuxstb | robin0800: Does typing "i586-mingw32msvc-gcc −−version" work? |
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| 12:24:42 | salty-horse | hi. what's the difference between rbutil/e200patcher and rbutil/sansapatcher? |
| 12:25:06 | linuxstb | e200rpatcher is for the e200r - it's a different install procedure. |
| 12:25:54 | salty-horse | oops. missed the 'r' :) |
| 12:26:03 | linuxstb | sansapatcher modifies the firmware partition directly. On the e200r, the firmware partition isn't accessible, so e200rpatcher using "manufacturer mode" on the e200r to upload a little program which then modifies things. |
| 12:26:48 | robin0800 | I had it installed before but it probably needs to be reinstalled could things like this be included in the next vmware image it would make life easier |
| 12:30:20 | linuxstb | robin0800: It should just be a matter of typing "apt-get install mingw32" (as root) |
| 12:30:29 | linuxstb | Maybe running "apt-get update" first |
| 12:30:53 | * | petur stubles upon the sourceforge pages for rockbox and thinks some admin should clear them out to prevent confusion |
| 12:30:53 | salty-horse | linuxstb, the README in the e200rpatcher dir is much more detailed than sansapatcher's. do you mind updating it with instructions on how to build the two required firmware files (that you have to build the bootloaders with tools/configure) |
| 12:32:08 | linuxstb | salty-horse: The wiki contains lots of information on how to compile Rockbox (both the main builds and bootloaders). I'm not sure it's worth duplicating that information. |
| 12:33:07 | salty-horse | linuxstb, I disagree. the source tree should have that information as well. otherwise, why not delete all README's then, if they're in the wiki? |
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| 12:33:16 | linuxstb | Or are you simply looking for the same level of instructions as in the e200rpatcher README - i.e. "select e200, then B for bootloader" |
| 12:33:42 | linuxstb | salty-horse: Do you know how many different wiki pages there are about compiling? For lInux, vmware, cygwin, ..... |
| 12:35:38 | salty-horse | linuxstb, I am simply looking for the "GENERAL BUILD INSTRUCTIONS" section (with the pre-requisites) −− it could be in addition to the binary download location (unless they're out of date - then they should be removed) |
| 12:39:15 | linuxstb | salty-horse: As the README states, those URLs always contain the latest bootloaders. We would recommend that users always use the official bootloader binaries (which are tested before release), not ones built from a randomly selected SVN version. But yes, I accept that README could be more verbose, and would be happy to commit changes to it if someone writes them... |
| 12:39:45 | salty-horse | ok. I'll try editing |
| 12:40:27 | salty-horse | btw, are you admitting to rockbox having "releases"? :D |
| 12:40:39 | linuxstb | The bootloaders have releases. |
| 12:41:17 | linuxstb | And I seem to recall my grandparents talking about Rockbox releases... |
| 12:41:21 | salty-horse | so should there be a warning about compiling your own untested bootloaders? |
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| 12:42:22 | BigBambi | salty-horse: The extent of that warning depends very much on the target |
| 12:42:37 | salty-horse | BigBambi, I'm focusing on sansapatcher's README :) |
| 12:42:38 | linuxstb | salty-horse: Yes. On the Sansas, it's not that serious, as you should always be able to go into recovery mode and copy an original firmware mi4 file, which will overwrite a bad Rockbox bootloader. So it should at least warn that SVN bootloaders are untested, and therefore not guaranteed to work. |
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| 12:47:01 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: the ini file you're talking about in the theme site README, is this available in that theme_dump.tgz or do I need to make it myself? |
| 12:47:53 | salty-horse | can someone close this bug please? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7526 |
| 12:48:15 | mcuelenaere | salty-horse: on it |
| 12:48:19 | salty-horse | :D |
| 12:48:26 | salty-horse | I was just looking for you |
| 12:49:01 | mcuelenaere | bleh LinusN was faster |
| 12:49:06 | LinusN | muhahahaaaa! |
| 12:49:11 | mcuelenaere | :) |
| 12:49:21 | mcuelenaere | I had a nice text description.. |
| 12:50:12 | LinusN | i didn't have time for that :-P |
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| 12:50:23 | LinusN | otherwise you would have won |
| 12:50:36 | mcuelenaere | me neither, someone else clicked the Close button faster.. |
| 12:51:11 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Hmm, seems I forgot some bits... There should have been a PHP/ini.php file, which you edit, rather than a .ini file. |
| 12:51:28 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: could you commit that file? |
| 12:51:42 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: If I still have it... |
| 12:52:10 | salty-horse | can anyone consider these fonts for inclusion in the tree? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8877 |
| 12:52:24 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: hmm ini.php also seems to be missing |
| 12:53:18 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Only the ini.php is needed. I'm looking at it now. |
| 12:53:33 | mcuelenaere | ok |
| 12:55:51 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Committed |
| 12:55:59 | mcuelenaere | ok |
| 12:56:02 | * | linuxstb wonders why rasher didn't mention that... |
| 12:57:54 | rasher | linuxstb: I just made one up |
| 12:58:31 | mcuelenaere | hmm globals.. |
| 12:58:50 | linuxstb | How can you have configuration variables without using globals? |
| 12:58:57 | mcuelenaere | shouldn't these be defines? |
| 12:59:13 | * | linuxstb allows people that know php better than him to get on with it.... |
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| 13:02:47 | * | pixelma doesn't understand why some translated languages use English in their voice strings |
| 13:08:46 | linuxstb | pixelma: For all the voice strings, or just some? |
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| 13:12:55 | pixelma | linuxstb: I mean the ones that have all voice strings in English, see hebrew.lang as an example |
| 13:13:33 | pixelma | or the new arabic.lang |
| 13:13:39 | linuxstb | That does seem odd... Maybe they don't realise you can use a voice file from a different language to the lang file |
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| 13:15:17 | pixelma | yes and would make life hard for ones that actually have the right tts engine/voice |
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| 13:18:54 | pixelma | I wonder whether it would be possible to create a script that copies the "dest" strings into the "voice" part and run that on the affected languages, seems tedious to do it manually... |
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| 13:22:49 | pixelma | some also have empty voice strings |
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| 13:25:12 | petur | yeah, and some were clearly edited by idiots :/ |
| 13:26:47 | * | petur spots a new BOFH episode an uses that to get his mind off .lang |
| 13:27:06 | salty-horse | linuxstb, here's my README suggestion: http://pastebin.com/m4a2f03 |
| 13:30:43 | linuxstb | salty-horse: Looks good. Is the name attached to your flyspray account your real name? |
| 13:30:53 | salty-horse | yes |
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| 13:35:50 | linuxstb | salty-horse: Thanks, committed. |
| 13:35:59 | salty-horse | thanks |
| 13:36:13 | linuxstb | I expanded the "why we recommend official bootloader" paragraph a little as well. |
| 13:37:41 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: are you ok with it if I go change some things on the theme site like renaming/deleting/moving variables and other perhaps fundamental changes? |
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| 13:38:32 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: I'm not working on it any more, so I don't mind. I don't know if rasher was planning on changing things though. But it may be a good idea to commit to SVN often... |
| 13:38:47 | mcuelenaere | ok; rasher: what do you think? |
| 13:40:31 | * | linuxstb wonders if it would make any sense for the theme site to commit uploaded themes to an svn repository... |
| 13:41:07 | * | linuxstb stops wondering and gets back to work |
| 13:42:27 | petur | good idea though |
| 13:42:32 | rasher | mcuelenaere: I haven't planned anything, so if you go ahead with something, that'd be fine |
| 13:42:41 | mcuelenaere | ok |
| 13:43:31 | pixelma | petur: the mistakes in the features and the trouble with "none" in hebre.lang seem to have been introduced in r15114. The commit message mentions that it is taken from FS #7957 which in turn mentions "Used rasher's Online Translator web interface."... |
| 13:43:43 | pixelma | hebrew too |
| 13:43:55 | petur | so we blame rasher? |
| 13:44:21 | rasher | pixelma: What exactly is this mistake? |
| 13:44:35 | rasher | I understand it's to do with none vs "", but what are the details? |
| 13:44:38 | pixelma | rasher: see petur's commit |
| 13:45:29 | rasher | That doesn't really explain why those changes were made |
| 13:46:06 | pixelma | some strings had "" in the dest or voice part for the default case where it should be "none" and some didn't have the translated string in the "features:" part but for the default case |
| 13:46:33 | rasher | I'm pretty sure the latter is the fault of the translator, and not me |
| 13:46:47 | rasher | Ie. he didn't notice the source had changed |
| 13:47:00 | pixelma | maybe |
| 13:47:04 | rasher | However, in which cases should none be used, where "" won't do? |
| 13:47:22 | rasher | pixelma: The same thing would happen with genlang if you don't notice the changed source |
| 13:47:46 | petur | rasher: must be identical to english.lang.... |
| 13:48:29 | rasher | alright, so I just mirror all occurances of "" and none from english.lang into the result? Should work |
| 13:48:43 | pixelma | it seems that the "none" needs to be the same in the <dest> and <voice> as it is in the source |
| 13:49:01 | rasher | Actually, I'm going to blame this on the translator as well, because I clearly instruct that you should "translate" none into none |
| 13:49:06 | petur | but not the "" |
| 13:49:09 | rasher | But I guess I could add some more magic |
| 13:49:30 | pixelma | yeah, maybe that tool just makes it seem too easy ;) |
| 13:50:12 | pixelma | should have been a :) |
| 13:50:42 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: do you normally run PHP files with display_errors off? |
| 13:51:05 | linuxstb | I don't know... |
| 13:51:10 | rasher | mcuelenaere: you should |
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| 13:51:32 | mcuelenaere | rasher: why? if in test phase isn't it easier to see the errors? |
| 13:52:36 | mcuelenaere | BTW are url rewritings with .htaccess on the server supported? |
| 13:52:37 | rasher | mcuelenaere: yeah, that's what I meant |
| 13:52:40 | mcuelenaere | ok |
| 13:52:57 | rasher | Actually, I like to turn on notices as well |
| 13:53:17 | rasher | I'd be surprised if mod_rewrite wasn't available |
| 13:53:43 | mcuelenaere | ok, notices are on (the 'error' I was talking about was a notice :) ) |
| 13:55:12 | mcuelenaere | is mixing php with html allowed? ( http://pastebin.com/d2ea67da4 ) |
| 13:58:54 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Isn't that just a matter of personal style? Personally I like to keep .php files as PHP. |
| 13:59:30 | mcuelenaere | yes it's a matter of taste, but perhaps there were some styling guidelines like there are when submitting code to Rockbox.. |
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| 14:00:01 | linuxstb | I think we're free to create them now... This is the first PHP website as part of Rockbox... |
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| 14:28:22 | sparkeater | is anyone here? |
| 14:28:38 | LinusN | sparkeater: nope, we are 136 bots |
| 14:28:51 | sparkeater | I've got an iriver h300 running a 60gb hard drive, a while ago rockbox stopped booting but the standard firmware still works |
| 14:29:04 | sparkeater | and when I put in the 40gb hard drive rockbox boots fine, same with the stock firmware |
| 14:29:30 | LinusN | sparkeater: what is the error message? |
| 14:29:42 | sparkeater | with the 60 I dunno what happened but it doesn't load past the battery voltage |
| 14:29:47 | sparkeater | there is none |
| 14:29:51 | sparkeater | it just refuses to load |
| 14:29:59 | sparkeater | it says the battery voltage then nothing happens |
| 14:30:01 | LinusN | oh, that sounds weird |
| 14:30:23 | * | petur thinks it sounds familiar |
| 14:30:29 | sparkeater | but with the other drive it's fine. and the stock firmware loads fine too |
| 14:30:36 | LinusN | sparkeater: so you can use the original firmware to play music? |
| 14:30:42 | sparkeater | yeah |
| 14:30:52 | sparkeater | but obviously I want rockbox |
| 14:30:54 | petur | bootloader v5? |
| 14:31:01 | LinusN | and rockbox stopped working all of a sudden? |
| 14:31:01 | sparkeater | yes |
| 14:31:07 | sparkeater | bootloader v5 |
| 14:31:14 | sparkeater | it just stopped working randomly |
| 14:31:24 | mcuelenaere | pixelma: any idea how to fix the height problem of http://veldrijden.info/themes_rockbox/index.php?model=ipodvideo ? I based it on your site |
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| 14:33:12 | sparkeater | I flashed the firmware a couple of times, I reloaded the patched iriver firmware but that didn't help, I flashed the original korean firmware and that worked, then flashed the rockbox modded .hex firmware and it did the same thing, rockbox just refused to load past the part where it says the battery voltage |
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| 14:34:07 | sparkeater | what should I try? |
| 14:34:26 | LinusN | does it matter if you have tha charger inserted? |
| 14:34:39 | sparkeater | I'mnot sure |
| 14:35:10 | sparkeater | oh, actually, I inserted the usb cable, it goes to the rockbox bootloader screen |
| 14:35:37 | pixelma | mcuelenaere: that shows the problem with different high divs (due to the different description lengths), I set the min-height so it fits the largest one (in "em"s (size of the m in the font used so it works with a few browser fonts but isn't 100% reliable either) - and you can't automate it, the only chance would be to restrict the length of the descriptions... |
| 14:35:38 | LinusN | sparkeater: do you hear the hard drive spin? |
| 14:35:44 | sparkeater | then I unplug it and it goes up to the same point |
| 14:35:57 | LinusN | sparkeater: can you access the drive in usb mode? |
| 14:36:28 | sparkeater | um |
| 14:36:55 | mcuelenaere | pixelma: well we could restrict the length's description |
| 14:37:01 | pixelma | mcuelenaere: not nice too. As I said, there are downsides too |
| 14:37:12 | petur | LinusN: if you want him to try an SVN bootloader, then http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/CFModGuide/H300.zip is a tested version |
| 14:37:12 | sparkeater | I could never access the drive in bootloader mode |
| 14:37:37 | sparkeater | it was working up until the other day |
| 14:37:54 | sparkeater | and the same firmware boots with the other 40gb drive, the stock iriver one |
| 14:38:10 | mcuelenaere | pixelma: we could use scrollbars, but those are... ugly |
| 14:38:42 | LinusN | sparkeater: have you done a scandisk? |
| 14:38:55 | sparkeater | I tried with easyrecovery professional |
| 14:39:00 | sparkeater | itt said there were no physical errors |
| 14:39:28 | LinusN | ok |
| 14:39:53 | LinusN | then i am at a loss |
| 14:39:56 | sparkeater | do you think it's a drive error? why would the standard firmware work but rockbox just stop functioning all of a sudden |
| 14:41:06 | LinusN | something could have happened to the hardware, and that rockbox can |
| 14:41:09 | LinusN | t handle it |
| 14:41:25 | sparkeater | but with the 40gb drive it functions fine |
| 14:41:26 | pixelma | mcuelenaere: would there be a possibility to automatically find the height the longest description would take in the user's browser? Though I doubt it... |
| 14:41:29 | LinusN | or the partition table has changed in a way that makes rockbox crash |
| 14:41:45 | LinusN | sparkeater: the hardware includes the hard drive |
| 14:41:57 | mcuelenaere | pixelma: I can get a strlen() and divide it into lcd_width*font_width ? |
| 14:41:59 | sparkeater | how should I alter the partitions |
| 14:42:06 | mcuelenaere | divide it with* |
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| 14:42:28 | sparkeater | it said there were no physical errors with the 60gb drive |
| 14:42:49 | pixelma | would that work when someone doesn't use the browser full-screen? |
| 14:43:12 | LinusN | sparkeater: and you believe that a pc program can diagnose all the electronic components inside a hard drive? |
| 14:43:13 | mcuelenaere | pixelma: this is the scrollbar result: http://veldrijden.info/themes_rockbox/index.php?model=ipodvideo |
| 14:43:31 | mcuelenaere | pixelma: I'll test it |
| 14:43:38 | sparkeater | well easy recovery proffessional has done stuff that NO other software has |
| 14:43:45 | sparkeater | it's pretty damn good |
| 14:43:52 | * | petur wonders if mcuelenaere is into veldrijden ;) |
| 14:44:00 | mcuelenaere | :P |
| 14:44:04 | LinusN | the "no physical errors" means that the *media* is OK, not the electronics |
| 14:44:45 | LinusN | still, i am pretty sure it is a flaw in rockbox |
| 14:45:16 | sparkeater | but rockbox has been working fine for a long time |
| 14:45:32 | LinusN | but since you don't remember the circumstances when it happened, we have a hard time finding it |
| 14:45:37 | sparkeater | now it refuses to load at all past the battery voltage part |
| 14:45:57 | LinusN | i have a h120 back home that exhibits the same problem |
| 14:46:13 | sparkeater | but the 40gb drive is fine |
| 14:46:16 | pixelma | mcuelenaere: don't like the scrollbars too much, especially that they force horizontal scrolling too because of the space the vertical scrollbar takes |
| 14:46:17 | LinusN | with the slight difference that the original firmware fails as well :-) |
| 14:46:20 | sparkeater | it loads rockbox perfectly |
| 14:46:30 | mcuelenaere | pixelma: yes that's one downside |
| 14:46:40 | mcuelenaere | I can make the horizontal space bigger though |
| 14:47:01 | mcuelenaere | something like this |
| 14:47:08 | LinusN | sparkeater: for example, the buffer chip in the ATA hardware could have been damaged to the point where the fastest ATA timing will break |
| 14:47:53 | LinusN | iirc, rockbox live on the edge when it comes to ata timing on the h-series |
| 14:48:16 | LinusN | lives |
| 14:48:28 | mcuelenaere | pixelma: do you know a way to get the font width of a font in HTML/CSS ? or to set it? |
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| 14:49:19 | sparkeater | ata hardware in the iriver? |
| 14:49:23 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:49:39 | sparkeater | damnit. |
| 14:49:56 | LinusN | that's just a guess |
| 14:50:04 | sparkeater | I hope that's wrong |
| 14:50:25 | LinusN | well, since the original firmware works, there must be something that rockbox does wrong |
| 14:51:05 | pixelma | mcuelenaere: no. And forcing a certain font on the user is somewhat ugly in my opinion. I wouldn't like such a page |
| 14:51:24 | mcuelenaere | never mind, it was a mistake on my side |
| 14:51:27 | mcuelenaere | I meant the font height |
| 14:51:36 | mcuelenaere | and AFAIK this is the same as font-size? |
| 14:51:53 | sparkeater | but I change the hard drive back to the 40gb and rockbox loads up on that just fine |
| 14:52:27 | LinusN | sparkeater: so? |
| 14:52:57 | sparkeater | I don't know. that's why I'm asking |
| 14:53:09 | LinusN | sparkeater: tha 40gb hard drive may very well be different hardware wise |
| 14:53:20 | sparkeater | no they're identical |
| 14:53:24 | sparkeater | single platter |
| 14:53:25 | LinusN | draws less current, better signal wuality on the bus etc |
| 14:53:43 | sparkeater | same code, 400gah and 600gah or someting like that |
| 14:53:44 | LinusN | if they were identical, they would both be 60GB |
| 14:53:55 | sparkeater | I mean they're not drastically different |
| 14:54:17 | sparkeater | I didn't come here to argue I came to ask for some advice on how to get rockbox working again |
| 14:54:24 | LinusN | i know |
| 14:54:37 | LinusN | i am trying to determine what to try |
| 14:55:08 | LinusN | the first thing you could do is to repartition and reformat the 60GB drive |
| 14:55:40 | LinusN | if that doesn't help, we would have to try some bootloader changes |
| 14:58:06 | sparkeater | repartition it exactly the same? |
| 14:58:18 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:58:21 | sparkeater | how will it boot with the formatted drive |
| 14:58:31 | sparkeater | oh, the stock fw |
| 14:58:33 | LinusN | remove all partitions first and then partition it again |
| 14:59:00 | sparkeater | would't that be enough |
| 14:59:13 | * | petur advises swissknife to repartition if you're on windows |
| 14:59:17 | sparkeater | just over write the dat aleft on there |
| 14:59:43 | sparkeater | I use partition magic |
| 14:59:49 | petur | even better |
| 14:59:52 | sparkeater | 8.something |
| 14:59:54 | petur | if you have it ;) |
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| 15:00:16 | sparkeater | I'll do that |
| 15:00:18 | petur | (swissknife is free, that is why I mentioned it) |
| 15:00:23 | sparkeater | it took SO long to copy all my music over |
| 15:02:22 | LinusN | sparkeater: at least you have your data elsewhere. there have been others who lost their entire collection because they had it only on their player (!) |
| 15:03:05 | * | petur counts and figures he has his entire music collection on 5 different places |
| 15:03:21 | sparkeater | I've got mine on about 3 places |
| 15:03:30 | petur | uhm... 6 places :) |
| 15:03:37 | sparkeater | last time I lost a whole player |
| 15:03:39 | LinusN | hmmm, 2 |
| 15:04:02 | GodEater | petur: does swissknife do partitioning as WELL as formatting then? |
| 15:04:32 | petur | yes, but it is unable to convert a superfloppy into a proper partitioned disk |
| 15:04:53 | petur | superfloppy = partitionless disk |
| 15:05:29 | petur | unless you wipe the first sector with a hex editor I think... |
| 15:06:34 | LinusN | how lame |
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| 15:07:01 | petur | neither can the windows disk manager :( |
| 15:07:22 | petur | although Galois would say that is to be expected |
| 15:08:37 | LinusN | must be a windows thing then |
| 15:09:25 | petur | nah, I'm sure partitionmagic can do it... if they can't then it is windows ;) |
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| 15:10:16 | * | petur no longer has it installed - can't check :( |
| 15:10:35 | sparkeater | how do I try different bootloaders? |
| 15:11:16 | petur | sparkeater: you receive them from us ;) |
| 15:11:28 | petur | us being mostly LinusN ;) |
| 15:11:49 | sparkeater | so how can I try one |
| 15:11:50 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:12:40 | petur | you could try the one I linked earlier |
| 15:13:13 | petur | but that is just a more recent one that has some issues on some devices, so maybe not such a good idea |
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| 15:15:00 | sparkeater | :( |
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| 15:15:31 | sparkeater | I get the choice between rockbox + 40gb and iriver firmware + 60gb |
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| 15:27:55 | petur | sparkeater: although a mighty bit of work (depending the number of files), the suggestion to repartition is actually the best thing to test first. |
| 15:28:22 | sparkeater | well, I use mp3s |
| 15:28:27 | sparkeater | there are a lot of files |
| 15:28:31 | sparkeater | but I'll try that |
| 15:28:49 | petur | good luck |
| 15:29:09 | sparkeater | repartition then just load the same version of rockbox I was using? |
| 15:29:36 | petur | first let it boot without, it should give an error |
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| 15:33:31 | sparkeater | h |
| 15:33:34 | sparkeater | oh |
| 15:33:39 | sparkeater | like a -1 error? |
| 15:33:55 | petur | yeah, I think it is -1 |
| 15:33:57 | sparkeater | I have to go home then do this, then write it all down and come back to the net cafe |
| 15:34:06 | petur | ouch |
| 15:34:25 | sparkeater | my new apartment doesn't have a phone line or net |
| 15:34:27 | petur | if it gives the error, you can put rockbox back on it |
| 15:34:58 | petur | if not, there is a hardware issue and we need to try bootloader stuff (well, you'll need LinusN) |
| 15:36:10 | sparkeater | cool |
| 15:36:13 | sparkeater | thanks! |
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| 15:44:38 | robin0800 | how do you use mingw on vmware to make a sasapatcher.exe file? |
| 15:46:14 | robin0800 | sansapatcher.exe |
| 15:46:31 | domonoky | robin0800: run "make" in the sansapatcher directory.. |
| 15:47:06 | robin0800 | tried that doesn't work |
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| 15:49:23 | domonoky | whats the error ? it probably needs the bootloader files (because they will be built into sansapatcher).. |
| 15:51:06 | robin0800 | there is no error it makes the linux files but not the exe |
| 15:52:28 | domonoky | and where are you building ? under mingw or vmware with linux ? |
| 15:53:59 | linuxstb | robin0800: Have you tried "make sansapatcher.exe" ? |
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| 15:54:08 | robin0800 | domonoky,no using vmplayer and rockbox vm image in windows |
| 15:54:18 | domonoky | to crosscompile a windows version from linux try "make sansapatcher.exe" |
| 15:54:29 | domonoky | the rockbox vmware image is LINUX ! :-) |
| 15:54:49 | rasher | domonoky: Is apps/ really needed to build rbutil? (README says so) |
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| 15:55:38 | domonoky | apps/codecs/libspeex is needed for our rbspeex encoder.. |
| 15:56:20 | rasher | Damn. Makes the sources needed for rbutil rather huge |
| 15:56:33 | rasher | (regarding Debian package) |
| 15:57:57 | linuxstb | Can't you just include apps/codecs/libspeex/ ? |
| 15:58:09 | XavierGr | anyone with experience stuffing a 2 platter disk on an H320? |
| 15:58:46 | robin0800 | yes yes make sansapatcher.exe works perhaps add this to the read me |
| 15:59:37 | domonoky | linuxstb: i dont really know, librbpeex.a is built by the makefile in tools/rbspeex, i dont know what else it needs.. |
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| 15:59:51 | linuxstb | robin0800: Out of curiousity, why are you compiling sansapatcher? Is something wrong with the released version? |
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| 16:01:42 | linuxstb | domonoky: I don't think it needs anything apart from that directory. |
| 16:02:08 | mcuelenaere | who made the site at themes.rockbox.org ? |
| 16:02:50 | robin0800 | no i'm going to try the new firmware 01.01.07 for the c200 |
| 16:02:56 | rasher | domonoky: could we use a system libspeex, or does it have to be the rockbox one? |
| 16:03:12 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: I think that's on scorche's server. I'm not sure what code he's using... |
| 16:03:24 | super | i think my screen is broken? |
| 16:03:29 | domonoky | i think we have to use rockbox libspeex, otherwise voice wont work.. |
| 16:03:38 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: shouldn't it be merged with the 'new' site? |
| 16:03:42 | super | i reinstalled rockbox but the graphics are still messed up |
| 16:03:48 | rasher | domonoky: damn |
| 16:03:49 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: I think it's a modified (by scorche) version of the original www.rockbox-themes.org code. |
| 16:04:02 | super | there is a big line across the screen |
| 16:04:10 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: The code I've written was intended to completely replace that. What did you want to merge? |
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| 16:04:56 | domonoky | super: to test if the screen is broken, you could try it with the original firmware... if the error is also in the OF, its a hardware failure.. |
| 16:05:09 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: I don't know, is there a need for themes to support patched builds? and the guidelines, should this be a link to the wiki or a page on the server itself (like at themes.rockbox)? |
| 16:05:17 | mcuelenaere | should there* |
| 16:05:27 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: The code I've committed to SVN is how I think it should be... |
| 16:05:41 | linuxstb | i.e. put documentation on the wiki and only support official builds. |
| 16:06:28 | super | well its always there |
| 16:06:38 | mcuelenaere | has there been some kind of similar discussion about this in the past? |
| 16:06:42 | super | the chargingscreen is OF? |
| 16:06:46 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: IMO we should keep the theme site as simple as possible, and not bloat with features (at least not at the start) |
| 16:07:19 | LinusN | super: which device? |
| 16:07:52 | mcuelenaere | yes perhaps the foundations should be rather solid and then perhaps it could be expanded |
| 16:08:30 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Yes, that's why I haven't worried about things like how the themes are displayed. The important thing is the upload.php script, and making sure we're building a good database of themes that we can work with. |
| 16:11:12 | super | nano 1g |
| 16:11:59 | linuxstb | super: Do you get the same issue with the Apple firmware? |
| 16:13:38 | Nico_P | does someone run a public webserver with the svn theme site? |
| 16:14:38 | linuxstb | This is probably quite close - linuxstb.cream.org/themes/">http://linuxstb.cream.org/themes/ |
| 16:15:04 | linuxstb | Unless people have committed changes today - I haven't checked... |
| 16:15:21 | * | linuxstb notices that someone has... |
| 16:16:24 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Why add the .htaccess rewrite rules? |
| 16:16:33 | rasher | To give nicer urls? |
| 16:16:59 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: google friendlier? nice urls in general? |
| 16:17:07 | mcuelenaere | nicer* |
| 16:17:46 | mcuelenaere | Nico_P: http://veldrijden.info/themes_rockbox/ should be SVN version |
| 16:18:15 | linuxstb | I just don't like hiding things like that... But it's obviously just me. |
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| 16:20:04 | rasher | linuxstb: in regards to who? The user or the developer? |
| 16:20:23 | linuxstb | And the layout now seems broken... |
| 16:20:44 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: in what browser? |
| 16:21:01 | Nico_P | mcuelenaere: thanks |
| 16:21:41 | linuxstb | rasher: I can only speak for myself, but as a user I don't care what URLs are inside a site, as long as I can bookmark them. As a developer, I like to see script names and query strings. |
| 16:21:54 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Firefox (2.0.0.14) |
| 16:22:26 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: you can still access the site through index.php?model= |
| 16:22:27 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: But you shouldn't need to ask that - keep things simple, and it will work everywhere. |
| 16:22:37 | * | Nico_P rather likes rewritten URLS when they convey the same info but in a cleaner way |
| 16:23:07 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: the new layout is based on pixelma's one and should have a glitch in Firefox 2 |
| 16:23:22 | mcuelenaere | how bad is it? |
| 16:24:05 | linuxstb | The immediate problems I see are that a) rows all appear to be the same height, rather than adjusting to the amount of text in that row; b) scrollbars are appearing within cells, sometimes when they're not even needed. |
| 16:24:20 | linuxstb | I haven't tried resizing the window, which is the problem pixelma mentioned. |
| 16:25:05 | mcuelenaere | I tried a javascript solution, but my JS skills aren't that good and got stuck |
| 16:25:24 | linuxstb | KISS... |
| 16:26:13 | mcuelenaere | so you would go back to the initial 3-columns fixed way? |
| 16:26:55 | linuxstb | For now at least. I wouldn't change from there to a partially-working solution. |
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| 16:31:53 | mcuelenaere | and what about a user-changeable column size but based on tables? |
| 16:32:00 | mcuelenaere | number of colums* |
| 16:32:03 | rasher | preglow: What would it take to make vanilla libspeex capable of producing files that the voice-ui can accept? |
| 16:32:17 | pixelma | my version was only a suggestion/proof of concept. I wasn't sure myself because of its drawbacks and only wanted to throw that into the discussion |
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| 16:33:15 | pixelma | linuxstb: the "rows" can't be of a different size because they are not rows... |
| 16:33:38 | linuxstb | pixelma: Ah, OK... Then that seems a big drawback. |
| 16:35:28 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Yes, I thought about that, but preferred to work on the upload script. |
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| 16:36:40 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: BTW, you've been adding TABs to the source.... I know I said there were no guidelines, but IMO we should stick to the existing coding guidelines where they apply... |
| 16:37:05 | mcuelenaere | ok, that's dreamweaver but I'll look into it |
| 16:38:28 | low_light | you can use http://browsershots.org/ to test the layout on multiple browsers/systems |
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| 16:49:01 | linuxstb | rasher: I think the issue with speex is simply that we produce raw speex files - i.e. no Ogg container. I don't think the official encoder can do that. |
| 16:49:39 | linuxstb | rasher: But maybe rbutil could be using the official libspeex, rather than our version... |
| 16:51:01 | rasher | linuxstb: that's the thinking. Or maybe we could simply push that ability upstream? |
| 16:51:31 | linuxstb | rasher: Are you talking about the lib or the actual speex command-line encoder? |
| 16:51:48 | linuxstb | If it's just the lib, then I doubt there's anything to push upstream. |
| 16:52:08 | rasher | linuxstb: Ah, so rbutil might very well be able to make do with standard libspeex? |
| 16:52:46 | linuxstb | That would be my guess - probably with very little (if any) changes. |
| 16:53:08 | domonoky | if the only change in our encoder is that it produces raw files, rbutil could easily use the official rbspeexlib.. |
| 16:53:18 | domonoky | -rb :-) |
| 16:54:56 | linuxstb | domonoky: Yes, but I think that's a feature of the wrapper preglow wrote around the encoder, rather than the encoder lib itself. |
| 16:55:20 | * | linuxstb tries... |
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| 17:00:59 | linuxstb | Hmm, seems speex_resampler.h isn't included (at least with the latest Ubuntu version of libspeex...) |
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| 17:08:49 | linuxstb | rasher, domonoky: Seems Rockbox needs libspeex 1.2 - but that's not released yet... (rc1 is available) |
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| 17:12:36 | rasher | linuxstb: but other than that, vanilla libspeex is fine? |
| 17:13:18 | linuxstb | I haven't tried it yet... I'll install 1.2-rc1 now |
| 17:13:46 | rasher | Ah okay |
| 17:14:17 | rasher | This is the only "bundled" library, related to rbutil, right? |
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| 17:18:12 | linuxstb | rasher: It compiles without warnings, so I assume it will work.... You need -lspeex and -lspeexdsp though (it's been split into the actual codec, and pre-processing functions) |
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| 17:18:55 | linuxstb | You just need rbspeex.c and rbspeexenc.c from the tools/rbspeex/ directory, plus libspeex 1.2 |
| 17:19:49 | pixelma | low_light: hi, about one or two weeks ago I once again saw the radio "vanishing" on my c200 again, this time even a simple reboot didn't help as it usually did but using the radio in the OF did. It hasn't happened to me for a long time and I forgot what to try. Do you remember? |
| 17:20:01 | linuxstb | And I'm guessing rbutil just needs rbspeex.c.... |
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| 17:21:11 | linuxstb | rasher: I'm assuming that doesn't help us, if the distros aren't packaging 1.2 yet? |
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| 17:24:00 | scorche|sh | package can depend on rc1 or later...and you either install the rc yourself or wait for 1.2 |
| 17:25:20 | linuxstb | But that still means someone needs to package it? |
| 17:26:52 | domonoky | rasher: rbutil whill the still need stuff from tools... |
| 17:27:17 | domonoky | s/whill the/ will then/ |
| 17:27:44 | linuxstb | domonoky: What else does it need? |
| 17:27:54 | kugel | linuxstb: You could've made use of the parameters for target and type configure has for the README |
| 17:28:34 | kugel | "../tools/configure −−target=50 −−type=b" will create a bootloader w/o further need for input by the user |
| 17:29:14 | rasher | domonoky: needing the stuff from tools is not a problem |
| 17:29:16 | domonoky | rbutil also needs voicefont.c/h and wavetrim.c/h. on windows also the sapi_voice.vbs script.. |
| 17:29:43 | rasher | Including an external library is more iffy |
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| 17:34:09 | linuxstb | kugel: Yes, I could have done. −−target=e200 would be better... |
| 17:34:30 | kugel | linuxstb: That works too |
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| 17:37:29 | ArLub | Hello! I've just created a fmr for my hometown of Söderhamn, Sweden. I wanted to upload it to the FM Presets page on wiki if anyone else is interested in it so I registered for the Wiki. But the mail says I need a edit permission for editing the Wiki and that this chanel is where i can get it... |
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| 17:38:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | Sure thing. What's your wiki name? |
| 17:38:14 | ArLub | Anyone here willing to heltp a newbie? :) |
| 17:38:28 | ArLub | Same as my username here ArLub. |
| 17:38:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | You really should be using your complete name on the wiki. |
| 17:38:51 | domonoky | and thats your realname ? as per wiki guidlines ? |
| 17:39:00 | ArLub | Arek Lubniewicz |
| 17:39:16 | mcuelenaere | could someone test-try/comment this? http://veldrijden.info/themes_rockbox/upload.php (ZIP file checking isn't done yet) |
| 17:39:21 | ArLub | (See where I got the idea dor my WikiName? :) |
| 17:39:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | mcuelenaere: I don't have a theme to upload. Want me to just try the page out? |
| 17:40:00 | mcuelenaere | yes, the theme adding isn't even working yet |
| 17:40:08 | mcuelenaere | it's just the validation |
| 17:41:06 | ArLub | Thought that my wikiname would be like a nickname. Filled my realname as well. Is it to late to change it to my realname now? |
| 17:41:25 | BigBambi | ArLub: It does say quite clearly on the sign up page that you are required to use your real name |
| 17:41:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | mcuelenaere: Seems to work. Of course, it rejected the dummy files I used to test it. |
| 17:42:00 | XavierGr | what the hell? I wonder how someone managed to put a double plattered disk into an H320 without damaging it |
| 17:42:03 | mcuelenaere | file type checking is currently only MIME-type based; is that safe enough? |
| 17:42:05 | linuxstb | ArLub: I think you need to create another account, and the "ArLub" one will be purged sometime. |
| 17:42:06 | ArLub | Yes, and eager that I was to register and contribute I've missed it untill you pointed it out... :( |
| 17:42:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | XavierGr: Eh? Where? |
| 17:42:19 | BigBambi | ArLub: I don't think you can change it - sign up properly with your real name and we can ask an admin to delete the other one |
| 17:42:24 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: What do you mean by "mime-type based"? |
| 17:42:35 | ArLub | OK. Will create anoter account then and get back to you. |
| 17:42:40 | XavierGr | without the padding I can't screw all the screws and the HD spins and rattles like mad (probably the padding muffled the spin) |
| 17:42:42 | linuxstb | If that's what the browser is telling you, then no, don't trust that... |
| 17:42:47 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: PHP returns a $_FILE array containing a ["type"] key |
| 17:43:02 | XavierGr | LambdaCalculus37: I think I heard it once on MisticRiver |
| 17:43:06 | mcuelenaere | I can extend it to do a server mime type check |
| 17:43:24 | XavierGr | so I bought an H320 from ebay to put in my car and now I am trying to fit my extra 40GB 2 platter drive |
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| 17:43:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | XavierGr: I wonder who's crazy enough to risk that. |
| 17:43:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | I wouldn't do it unless I had the backing for an H340 on hand. |
| 17:44:14 | XavierGr | but the fit is so tight that it might damage the player not to mention that the driver is now very loud without the padding. It's about as an external 3.5 drive (sound wise) |
| 17:44:42 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinks that people should be sensible when upgrading hard drives. |
| 17:44:48 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: If it's not a valid zip file, unzip will fail... |
| 17:45:00 | mcuelenaere | there are also the PNG files to check |
| 17:45:36 | * | domonoky gets the error: "ZIP contents too large with a ipod5g theme from the wiki, on the new theme site.. :-) |
| 17:45:41 | linuxstb | I would probably just use the "file" command. Or even parse the PNG file... |
| 17:45:53 | linuxstb | domonoky: How large is it? |
| 17:46:02 | ArLub | OK. I'm back with a new account and a real wikiname this time. :) |
| 17:46:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | XavierGr: I would figure that a double platter drive in such a tight space must put a lot of pressure on the drive itself. |
| 17:46:17 | BigBambi | Promise not to spam? :) |
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| 17:46:26 | ArLub | Anyone here willing to enable ArekLubniewicz? |
| 17:46:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | Plus the heat from the battery must take a toll on it as well. |
| 17:46:35 | domonoky | linuxstb: unpacked its: 1.110.016 bytes.. |
| 17:46:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'll do it. |
| 17:46:45 | ArLub | Sure. :) Hate SPAM at least as much as every other internet user. ;) |
| 17:46:50 | BigBambi | ArLub: OK, done, have fun |
| 17:47:07 | linuxstb | domonoky: The limit is set to 1.000.000 bytes... |
| 17:47:11 | * | LambdaCalculus37 was too slow ;) |
| 17:47:29 | linuxstb | domonoky: So I guess that needs increasing a little... Does the zip just contain one theme, or many? |
| 17:47:46 | ArLub | For now on I'm planning to contribute with the fmr file for my home town. If I'll make something else worthwile i might contribute with it as welll. |
| 17:47:51 | BigBambi | coolio |
| 17:47:58 | ArLub | Thanks for the help. |
| 17:48:01 | domonoky | linuxstb: juts one theme |
| 17:48:03 | BigBambi | no problem |
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| 17:48:52 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: I've seen themes on the size of over >2MB |
| 17:49:00 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Looking at the description of the PNG format, parsing it looks relatively easy... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Network_Graphics |
| 17:49:07 | pixelma | I believe some include their images source files (as psd or whatever), what about those? (general question) |
| 17:49:21 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: doesn't the theme server has GD support? |
| 17:49:21 | linuxstb | Maybe they include a large font as well. |
| 17:49:43 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: I don't know... But that's of course an option. |
| 17:50:08 | mcuelenaere | normally every PHP installation has it |
| 17:50:14 | mcuelenaere | and GD is integrated into PHP so.. |
| 17:50:36 | linuxstb | pixelma: Good point - I think we would want to encourage source files, but not everyone needs to download them... |
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| 17:50:43 | scorche|sh | mcuelenaere: it has been bundled in since 4.3, so yes |
| 17:51:25 | scorche|sh | currently running: Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) PHP/5.2.6-2 with Suhosin-Patch Server |
| 17:51:34 | mcuelenaere | ok |
| 17:52:12 | ArekLubniewicz | Humm. Still can't edit... I think I might still be loged in as ArLub and not ArkadiuszLubniewicz... A reallt stupid question... How do you logout from the Wiki? Don't see any log out button anywhere... |
| 17:54:24 | pixelma | you registered with "ArekLubniewicz" tried to log in as that? |
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| 17:56:09 | ArekLubniewicz | The problem is that I see no login button or anything... When I first tried to edit it prompted me for usernamn and pasword, but I've loged in with ArLub then (was before I've read about proper Wikinames). |
| 17:56:20 | ArekLubniewicz | I think I'm still loged in as ArLub. :( |
| 17:57:17 | linuxstb | ArekLubniewicz: You may need to close your browser... |
| 17:59:30 | ArekLubniewicz | Will try that. :) My prior experience with Wikis was some minor spelling corrections on Wikipedia, so I expected a login form and a logout button. :) |
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| 18:01:35 | domonoky | hm, it seems the current zipfile checking of the new theme site, happens inplace, ie without unpacking the zip ? but we will need to unpack it anyway for the checkwps test... |
| 18:02:34 | mcuelenaere | domonoky: AFAIS there's only a zip listing, the files aren't even unpacked |
| 18:04:06 | domonoky | oki, |
| 18:05:40 | linuxstb | Yes, that's not finished yet - the first part is to verify the contents (based on filenames/.sizes), and only if it passes all those checks, will it be unzipped. |
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| 18:06:41 | kugel | Slasheri: ping |
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| 18:17:08 | ArekLubniewicz | Hi again guys. Just wanted to say that I have now added a FM preset file for Söderhamn, Sweden to the presets page. Hope somebody else will find that useful as well. |
| 18:17:29 | ArekLubniewicz | And thank you for your help and activating editing for my acount. |
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| 18:20:32 | ArekLubniewicz | Gonna continue to play around with my Rockbox. Just installed it today on my Sandisk Sansa c240 and am really impressed with it so far. Can you belive that with the original Firmware my player didn't even seem to have FM radio? Was really possitivly suprised to find working option för FM radio in Rockbox. :) |
| 18:23:08 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: what's the id for in themes.txt? |
| 18:23:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | ArekLubniewicz: Glad you're enjoying Rockbox! :) |
| 18:24:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Have fun! Explore! Play! Do! Hack! ;) |
| 18:24:30 | ArekLubniewicz | Will do. :) Thanx again for the help. Bye all. |
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| 18:48:23 | * | bertrik spots a possible problem in fm presets |
| 18:49:17 | preglow | rasher: vanille libspeex can |
| 18:50:02 | rasher | preglow: sounds good. linuxstb seem to discover that libspeex-1.2-rc1 was required? |
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| 18:58:47 | mcuelenaere | scorche: does your server has the ImageMagick tool 'identify'? |
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| 19:00:06 | scorche|sh | if it doesnt, i can install it |
| 19:00:21 | mcuelenaere | ok |
| 19:00:25 | scorche|sh | it is my server...not shared...i have full control over it |
| 19:02:13 | pixelma | bertrik: what problem do you mean? Reminds me... I know of the problem that if the file has a BOM the first entry gets skipped |
| 19:02:28 | bertrik | all of the presets I tried on the FmPresetsEurope page are prefixed by 0xEF 0xBB 0xBF |
| 19:02:34 | bertrik | yeah, that's what I mean |
| 19:03:11 | bertrik | Are those files supposed to have a BOM? or is it a problem of the webserver? |
| 19:03:34 | bertrik | or something else (like rockbox)? |
| 19:03:42 | pixelma | that was probably my fault when I sorted that page. Bluebrother once made an "ignore BOM" patch, I believe it's still in the tracker |
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| 19:05:04 | pixelma | I opened the files and saved them again and didn't check the BOM setting in my editor, not knowing that it could be a problem |
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| 19:07:15 | bertrik | ok thanks, I'll have a look |
| 19:07:32 | pixelma | some were not even files before, just text on the presets page |
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| 19:13:41 | preglow | rasher: 1.2 is probably required, yes |
| 19:13:59 | preglow | rasher: i didn't care about that requirement, since we use our own libspeex anyway. what's this for? |
| 19:14:45 | rasher | preglow: Debian (and other distros) packaging of rbutil. Staticly linking standard libraries isn't something distros enjoy much |
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| 19:17:59 | preglow | rasher: right. well, it shouldn't be hard to convert to libspeex standard, i think i use only one or two 1.2 api calls |
| 19:18:34 | rasher | preglow: So 1.2 isn't even strictly needed? Anyway, depending on 1.2 isn't a huge problem, presumably it'll hit distros eventually |
| 19:18:45 | preglow | yeah, an rc is out, afaik |
| 19:19:20 | preglow | rasher: i would be very much surprised if making it use libspeex 1.1 turned out to be a problem |
| 19:19:56 | preglow | i didn't really foresee any distros packacking rbutil |
| 19:20:02 | preglow | packaging... |
| 19:21:54 | preglow | is this going to be a special build, or will svn always depend on our own libspeex? |
| 19:22:31 | rasher | Either could work, really |
| 19:24:43 | * | shotofadds received atomikpunk's M230 today (I seem to be collecting the buggers). hopefully the screen works on this one ;) |
| 19:25:15 | shotofadds | unfortunately won't have time to do any more NAND debugging for a few weeks. I'm off on holiday in about 12hrs time... |
| 19:26:04 | rasher | preglow: I suppose having it a compile-time option would be ideal, but it being a distro-specific patch could work too I suppose |
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| 19:32:03 | mcuelenaere | should checkwps work with the standard Rockbox wps'es? |
| 19:32:33 | bertrik | pixelma, I looked at patch in FS #6203 and it looks OK to me, but unfortunately it won't compile anymore |
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| 19:48:44 | mcuelenaere | can someone test the integration of checkwps with the theme site? my site doesn't want to run the checkwps.* executable for some reason |
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| 19:52:22 | pixelma | bertrik: maybe ask bluebrother about it? |
| 19:52:43 | pixelma | would also be interesting to know why it wasn't committed yet |
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| 20:06:45 | low_light | pixelma: I've haven't had my radio vanish in a loooong time...not since the last time I fixed the radio, if not before |
| 20:12:52 | bertrik | low_light, what did you fix? |
| 20:13:19 | * | bertrik hasn't noticed any vanishing radio on his c200 yet |
| 20:14:45 | pixelma | low_light: me neither but now it happened again. And there is still a bug report on it (seems to happen on e200s as well) and it looks like some see it more frequently: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7515 |
| 20:16:10 | low_light | bertrik: some c200's had trouble tuning properly before |
| 20:20:37 | low_light | pixelma: do you use the database? that bug report suggests a connection between the two. (I don't use database). |
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| 20:22:53 | pixelma | I don't really use it but it is enabled (not loaded to RAM, no auto-update, no dircache) |
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| 20:27:00 | pixelma | low_light: maybe it's not really related to the database just that the something in the timing changes during boot? |
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| 20:31:52 | bertrik | I'll pay more attention to the radio the coming time and check if I can trigger the problem too |
| 20:32:51 | solexx | What's the "play" key in H1xx UI simulator? The wiki says 'Q', but it doesn't appear to work. |
| 20:33:45 | solexx | and I don't have a numpad here |
| 20:35:01 | solexx | Ok, using Num-+ works if I enable the pseudo-numpad on my laptop, but an alternative would be nice. |
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| 20:41:07 | pixelma | low_light: but wasn't there something I could check (something that would needed a patched build or so)? Maybe I remembering wrong though... |
| 20:41:43 | low_light | maybe, but I don't remember either :) |
| 20:42:24 | pixelma | a pity... but can't change that :) |
| 20:44:51 | pixelma | bluebrother: the topic came up before... is there any reason your "skip BOM" patch wasn't committed? |
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| 21:06:05 | bertrik_ | The sansa c200 seems to have two "button lights", one in the center of the keypad and one under the menu button, has it ever been considered to do something with the menu button light? |
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| 21:14:35 | pixelma | I think one idea was to use it has disk activity light but don't know... and yes it can be controlled independently. I remember when I started with the c200 the buttonlights couldn't be switched off at all, then the main buttonlights could and then the menu LED |
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| 21:28:12 | bertrik_ | pixelma, was just curious, I don't have any particular use in mind for it. |
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| 21:31:53 | petur | pixelma: regarding your last remark: I also do not know why the selected list entry doesn't scroll |
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| 21:37:33 | pixelma | petur: ok, as said I don't think that's very important. By the way I forget to mention that I can now leave the recording screen without trouble (when I didn't enter the recording menu before of course). This caused crashes with the v10 patch yesterday and is solved too. |
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| 21:39:45 | petur | pixelma: I'm probably going to reproduce a few more patches for you to test ;) |
| 21:39:56 | petur | s/reproduce/produce |
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| 22:24:02 | XavierGr | those boxwave H340s case did the job. If anyone wants to transform an H320 to an H340 all you need is a silicon boxwave H340 case. You don't have to screw the backplate. The silicon case will hold it for you (even with the blue hard drive padding) |
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| 22:50:05 | solexx | Am I missing something or isn't it possible to display mono/stereo information in the WPS? |
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| 23:18:04 | BigBambi | I'd like to pop up a post in the WPS forum to explain to people the importance of licensing and why we are currently sorting them out etc - any thoughts on this - http://www.pastebin.ca/1090152 |
| 23:18:48 | B4gder | "theme suitable theme licensing" ? |
| 23:19:05 | BigBambi | fixing |
| 23:19:20 | BigBambi | -first theme |
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| 23:20:58 | B4gder | I think it sounds fine |
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| 23:21:40 | BigBambi | OK, cheers |
| 23:22:12 | kugel | BigBambi: Sounds fine to me too |
| 23:22:22 | BigBambi | coolio |
| 23:26:08 | BigBambi | I'm sure I'm being dense now - how do I do a link in the forums such that it isn't the full link - i.e. the standard click "here" for something |
| 23:26:35 | B4gder | [url src=http:moo]here[/url] |
| 23:26:40 | BigBambi | thanks |
| 23:26:56 | B4gder | or possibly src shouldn't be there |
| 23:27:01 | B4gder | can't remember exactly |
| 23:27:21 | petur | just [url=http://...]here[/url] |
| 23:27:23 | scorche|sh | url= i think |
| 23:27:28 | scorche|sh | see petur |
| 23:27:29 | scorche|sh | =) |
| 23:27:36 | BigBambi | yes indeed |
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| 23:33:28 | kugel | can anyone explain this to me? http://imagebin.ca/view/oA2RNX.html |
| 23:33:34 | kugel | that's after doing ./rockboxui |
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| 23:34:58 | petur | slow site |
| 23:36:06 | ender` | kugel: looks like you're trying to use a framebuffer program in X |
| 23:36:57 | kugel | ender`: I'm trying to run the sim ;) |
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| 23:45:33 | linuxstb | kugel: Then it's an SDL issue... |
| 23:46:21 | bluebrother | pixelma: there's no specific reason −− I partly forgot about it, wanted to redo some short test after my resync and planned trying to get it committed this weekend (ok, this answer is like 3 hours late :o ) |
| 23:47:14 | pixelma | :) |
| 23:47:26 | pixelma | nice to hear |
| 23:47:29 | kugel | linuxstb: thanks, you're right. dkpg-reconfigure libsdl1.2-dev helped |
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