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| 00:00:23 | bertrik | kugel, yes I noticed that and partially fixed that some time ago |
| 00:00:56 | bertrik | For some menus it was easy, but others are also used elsewhere and it's not so easy to make them go back to the WPS instead of the context menu |
| 00:01:14 | kugel | bertrik: the context menu was remade though, which probably introduced new inconsistencies |
| 00:01:50 | kugel | I think every item should lead you back to the context menu, since there's a dedicated button to return to the wps |
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| 00:03:09 | bertrik | IIRC I talked to amiconn about that and he said it should return to the WPS immediately, this also seems the intention of a macro in onplay.c |
| 00:04:04 | rasher | I'd expect that going back from something you opened through the context menu should return you to the context menu |
| 00:04:29 | petur | what's the difference between gui_statusbar_draw() and gui_syncstatusbar_draw() ? |
| 00:04:49 | linuxstb | petur: I think the "sync" functions do it for all screens |
| 00:05:13 | petur | aha |
| 00:05:24 | kugel | rasher: I agree, especially since there's a dedicated button to go to the wps (as I already mentioned) |
| 00:05:41 | * | linuxstb agrees with rasher and kugel - I would expect context menus to behave like any other menus |
| 00:05:52 | kugel | petur: and it respects the global_settings |
| 00:06:13 | petur | kugel: bingo |
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| 00:06:40 | kugel | petur: I've messed with it in my viewports for pitchscreen work ;) |
| 00:06:44 | bertrik | on c200 there is no such dedicated button to go to the WPS |
| 00:06:59 | * | petur is messing with it in the recscreen |
| 00:07:00 | linuxstb | bertrik: Don't you just exit the menu (press left?) |
| 00:07:06 | BigBambi | bertrik: Check out pixelma's keymap changes |
| 00:07:22 | bertrik | linuxstb, no |
| 00:07:54 | kugel | bertrik: That's a showstopper :P |
| 00:07:55 | pixelma | bertrik: eh? |
| 00:07:59 | bertrik | but I wouldn't mind if WPS context submenus returned to the menu they came from |
| 00:08:09 | kugel | bertrik: I say then get a combo |
| 00:08:30 | linuxstb | bertrik: You're saying you can't exit the menu? |
| 00:08:31 | kugel | select+up or something |
| 00:08:35 | * | BigBambi still thinks the pixelma's c200 changes so far should go in - even is aspects aren't perfect, they are better than now :) |
| 00:08:39 | pixelma | works here (running my patches though) but I didn't touch that |
| 00:08:44 | pixelma | ^bertrik |
| 00:09:23 | pixelma | kugel: a personal preference but I don't like combos |
| 00:09:25 | kugel | linuxstb: pressing left in the context menu should lead to the wps on the c200 too |
| 00:09:39 | bertrik | it does in the wps context menu, but nowhere else |
| 00:09:50 | bertrik | ergo, no dedicated WPS button |
| 00:09:54 | kugel | pixelma: Same, but I've just shortly looked at the keymap file, and it looked like every button is used |
| 00:11:11 | pixelma | yes, but being able to adjust volume in the list is an extra (that only the gigabeats have IIRC) and could be ditched in favour of a dedicated resume |
| 00:11:24 | pixelma | other than the c200 |
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| 00:15:50 | kugel | pixelma: agree |
| 00:17:01 | * | kugel keeps misstyping pitchscreen as quickscreen. Can someone fix it please (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9231) ... |
| 00:17:22 | bluebrother | as long as it doesn't get bitchscreen ... |
| 00:17:28 | kugel | heh |
| 00:17:41 | kugel | or quickyscreen :P |
| 00:18:06 | petur | pixelma: patch 15 is up (*sigh*) |
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| 00:18:35 | kugel | petur: 15th version already? |
| 00:18:54 | petur | debugging, man ;) |
| 00:19:01 | kugel | petur: I guess pitchscreen was much easier to viewportify than recscreen |
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| 00:19:59 | petur | kugel: recscreen was a mess, and the content got split now... not completely as it should but a better base for redesigning the gui |
| 00:23:22 | * | kugel still searches someone with flyspray powers to correct his silly typo |
| 00:24:09 | bertrik | kugel, I'll fix it |
| 00:24:25 | kugel | bertrik: Great. Thank you |
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| 00:30:52 | pixelma | petur: going to try in a bit |
| 00:31:03 | petur | nice, thanks! |
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| 00:34:58 | Bensawsome | sry |
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| 00:55:20 | pixelma | petur: looks good in a quick test, I can enter and quit the recording menu without a problem now and it looks like the "disk full" issue has been a stupid on my side. The only thing that's left is that the trigger bar still isn't shown |
| 00:55:49 | petur | que? still not shown? |
| 00:55:54 | * | petur checks again |
| 00:56:06 | pixelma | and I still don't like that double height peakmeter... ;) |
| 00:56:29 | petur | I'll show you where to change the code ;) |
| 00:59:07 | petur | pixelma: the triggerbar shows up fine in the sim. Are you sure. It only shows up during recording - is that correct? |
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| 01:01:14 | pixelma | eh, I expected it to always show when triggered recording is enabled, why should it have a "ready" state then? And I believe that it's been this way before the trigger screen viewportification |
| 01:01:29 | petur | ah |
| 01:01:38 | petur | I was comparing with svn |
| 01:01:48 | petur | so it should always show... |
| 01:03:08 | pixelma | I thought it did and it makes much more sense to me. Without it I would have no incidaction that triggered recording is enabled in SVN and with the patch I get a small hint since then the peak meters are at smaller |
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| 01:03:30 | pixelma | s/in SVN/like it is currently in SVN |
| 01:04:03 | petur | pixelma: Right now pressing record 'arms' the trigger and thus shows the bar (that is how I understand it) |
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| 01:04:27 | petur | and from first looks, this must have been like this before going to viewports |
| 01:05:45 | pixelma | oy, should have read that TriggerManual better. I tried that now, trigger bar appears but vanishes again after a few seconds |
| 01:06:15 | petur | eh? |
| 01:06:29 | pixelma | probably when the signal is below the "off" threshold? Didn't set anything yet |
| 01:08:28 | pixelma | "Trigger" was set to "Once" |
| 01:10:21 | petur | hmmm from the description in the manual, I would expect the triggerbar to be always visible... |
| 01:10:51 | pixelma | ok, stays there when set to "Repeat" and I can see the threshold markers in the peakmeter now and the signal could easily fell below (I'm currently using mic input only) |
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| 01:11:10 | kugel | why do i get "undefined reference to gui_syncpitchscreen_run" in the object files? |
| 01:11:31 | kugel | it compiled fine all the time, until i did "make clean" |
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| 01:13:14 | petur | pixelma: so it works as expected now? |
| 01:15:20 | pixelma | petur: yes, just tested with "Once" and I do get a file (so trigger hits but due to the settings it also finished so quickly that I didn't understand that it before) |
| 01:15:24 | kugel | I could need some help here: http://pastebin.ca/1092032 |
| 01:15:43 | pixelma | petur: sorry for the confusion |
| 01:16:11 | petur | nice... but now *I* am not sure anymore ;) |
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| 01:16:40 | kugel | it worked the whole day, but now I'm getting this errors |
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| 01:33:22 | kugel | Do I need to do something when I add a .h file in order to get it compiling properly? |
| 01:33:35 | kugel | I really don't get why it isn't working anymore :S |
| 01:33:40 | linuxstb | Did anyone ever manage to contact the creator of the "Rockbox cube" logo ? It seems a few themes are using it... |
| 01:33:55 | linuxstb | kugel: Have you tried a "make clean" ? |
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| 01:34:27 | kugel | linuxstb: Yea. No change |
| 01:34:40 | kugel | linuxstb: getting a whole fresh source didn't help either |
| 01:36:01 | kugel | linuxstb: I just added a pitchscreen.h, and I'm getting this errors (http://pastebin.ca/1092032) |
| 01:36:15 | kugel | it worked the past few days, which is weird |
| 01:37:56 | linuxstb | kugel: Can you post a patch somewhere? |
| 01:38:14 | kugel | linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9231 |
| 01:38:45 | kugel | v2 worked well. I used the same source for v3, so v3 was working too. but now it stopped working |
| 01:42:51 | kugel | linuxstb: I think I've found it. the #ifdef HAVE_PITCHSCREEN in pitchscreen.c doesn't seem to do well |
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| 01:44:27 | linuxstb | No, not before you #include config.h... |
| 01:44:49 | linuxstb | But you don't need it - it's in SOURCES |
| 01:45:23 | kugel | linuxstb: Ah, that makes sense. I didn't think of that |
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| 02:24:20 | saratoga2 | is there someone around who knows a lot about GPL versions? |
| 02:26:39 | danderson | depends what is meant by a lot |
| 02:26:44 | * | danderson mumbles something about meta-questions |
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| 02:35:30 | scorche | saratoga2: you should know better ;) |
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| 02:38:17 | saratoga2 | the Tremolo developer is hesistant about changing the "GPLv2" terms to "GPLV2 or later", but from his description of his concerns it seems like he'd probably be ok with it if someone explained why we need the "or later" |
| 02:38:53 | saratoga2 | i was going to say "it bans Tivoization, gets us compatability with any v3 code, and not a whole lot else of interest" but i'm not sure if thats entirely accurate |
| 02:40:30 | danderson | tremolo, isn't that the fixed point ogg vorbis codec? |
| 02:40:45 | scorche | i wouldnt say the first part, but it just gives up more flexibility for the future and broadens the pool of projects that we can pull from |
| 02:41:43 | saratoga2 | danderson: Its an optimization of Tremor for ARM CPUs |
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| 02:41:54 | scorche | danderson: http://wss.co.uk/pinknoise/tremolo/index.html |
| 02:42:34 | danderson | aha. |
| 02:42:58 | danderson | banning tivoization might be a good argument for going to gplv3 exclusively |
| 02:43:19 | scorche | right...but not really an argument for v2 or later |
| 02:43:27 | danderson | and it applies given the project |
| 02:43:45 | danderson | but if it is gplv2, the only real argument is that more projects get to use the code afaik |
| 02:44:02 | scorche | well, we have people on both sides and dont really plan on switching any time soon...what we are after is to have everything be GPLv2 or later |
| 02:44:51 | saratoga2 | from what I gather, the V3 is no less permissive then the V2, so there seems to be little harm in using both |
| 02:44:59 | saratoga2 | at worst people will just choose v2 |
| 02:45:08 | danderson | I'm looking at a comparison of the two right now |
| 02:45:11 | scorche | saratoga2: but it still isnt "GPLv2 or later" |
| 02:45:55 | scorche | saratoga2: it mainly just gives us more options and better flexibility instead of restricting us in case we wish to move on in the future or accept projects with different licensing |
| 02:46:30 | scorche | offering both a GPLv2 and a GPLv3 version is not the same as offering a GPLv2 or later version |
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| 02:46:34 | danderson | v3's main additions are anti-tivoization, and a patent clause that revokes rights if you sue the author(s) for patent infringement |
| 02:46:42 | danderson | the rest appears to be mostly clarifications |
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| 02:47:48 | danderson | and small additions like: not respecting the GPLv2 leads to revocation of rights granted by the license; GPLv3 is the same, but if the violator corrects the situation within 30/60 days restores your rights |
| 02:47:57 | scorche | dan_a: well, yes, but this isnt really a moving-to-v3 discussion...this is trying to get the Tremolo devloper to put out a "GPLv2 or later" version instead of just GPLv2 and GPLv3 versions |
| 02:48:06 | scorche | whoops |
| 02:48:13 | scorche | danderson: ^^ |
| 02:48:38 | danderson | right. I'm describing how the v3 differs from v2 because the tremolo author probably cares |
| 02:49:38 | num1 | http://rockbox.pastebin.com/d6d4a6b43 Is this allowed? To use target indicators in the translation but not in the source? |
| 02:49:43 | saratoga2 | danderson: do you have a link to the differences? |
| 02:50:38 | danderson | the one I just read is http://linuxdevices.com/files/misc/GPLv2_vs_GPLv3.pdf |
| 02:50:52 | danderson | the first part is not very relevant, but the annex has a section by section comparison of the two |
| 02:51:32 | danderson | also, http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20060118155841115 |
| 02:51:38 | danderson | a highlighted diff of textual changes |
| 02:51:59 | danderson | makes it easy to see that changes are mostly just wording, with the exception of patent and tivoization clauses |
| 02:52:14 | mrkiko | Ok, I built the build environment correctly and I'm able to compile rockbox within a x86-64 machine. |
| 02:53:03 | danderson | but, it boils down to: for tremolo, which is quite explicitely targetted at embedded systems, it is desirable to offer the option of gplv3 |
| 02:53:18 | danderson | since users of tremolo for embedded targets may feel very strongly about tivoization |
| 02:53:41 | danderson | so, even if you don't particularly care, it would be a good thing for your users to specify "v2 or later" |
| 02:53:50 | danderson | since it gives them the option of caring |
| 02:54:52 | danderson | (am I making any sense?) |
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| 03:04:47 | kugel | JdGordon: Morning :) |
| 03:05:34 | JdGordon | morning |
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| 03:07:06 | kugel | scorche: Why do you need "GPLv2 or later" on tremolo? |
| 03:07:32 | kugel | JdGordon: I think my pitchscreen vp patch is committable |
| 03:09:28 | scorche | kugel: to leave us open for whatever we might decide to do int he future |
| 03:10:12 | JdGordon | kugel: I can already see a few things which could be cleaned up first... |
| 03:10:27 | JdGordon | struct viewport pitch_icons = *parent; to start with |
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| 03:11:56 | JdGordon | gui_syncpitchscreen_run() is a wierd name... |
| 03:12:24 | JdGordon | also i has a parent viewport inside the funciotn.. the point of paretns is to pass them in... what your doing does nothing with them |
| 03:13:01 | JdGordon | and the .h still contains all the #defines which are not used anywhere except the .c so they shouldnt be external |
| 03:14:29 | kugel | hjm |
| 03:14:31 | kugel | hm |
| 03:16:31 | kugel | JdGordon: #defines are global anyway |
| 03:16:37 | kugel | aren't they? |
| 03:16:50 | JdGordon | no... and there is no need to put them there unless they are used elsewhere |
| 03:17:59 | JdGordon | but yes.. the patch is looking better |
| 03:19:07 | kugel | JdGordon: Why is gui_syncpitchscreen_run a weird name? To me, gui_syncquickscreen_run doesn't sound much different :P |
| 03:19:15 | JdGordon | ok, this is wierd.... h300 sim works with the PF patch.. e200 doesnt... both are using the same /music folder |
| 03:19:57 | JdGordon | neither is nice... |
| 03:20:08 | JdGordon | whats wrong with pitchscreen_run() and quickscreen_run() |
| 03:20:51 | kugel | JdGordon: gui_syncpitchscreen_run was your idea, remember? Also, the sync part implies (at least for me) that it's automatically done for all screens |
| 03:21:07 | kugel | gui_syncquickscreen_run |
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| 03:21:37 | JdGordon | i dont rmember.. and thats valid except all screens should be automatically done on both displays now... gui_sync is a relic from when there was no 2nd screen |
| 03:21:52 | JdGordon | or more specifically... during the change to mutliscreen api |
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| 03:26:38 | kugel | JdGordon: So, the pf patch doesn't work on e200 sim this time? Weird. The only difference is the PEFERRED_ALBUM_WIDTH/_HEIGHT (110 for e200) |
| 03:26:59 | kugel | disabling resizing in the pf settings should eliminate this difference |
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| 03:51:33 | kugel | JdGordon: Ok, I implemented a parent parameter in for the pitchscreen, I'm not too sure though if it's correct (because of the MENUITEM_FUNCTION in onplay.c) |
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| 03:52:36 | JdGordon | you need to tell that macro to use USE_PARAM (or whatever that flag is) and set it to NULL |
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| 03:59:02 | kugel | JdGordon: Ahh ok. So, gui_syncpitchscreen_run can take a parent, or NULL |
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| 04:02:05 | kugel | JdGordon: I didn't implement this before, since quickscreen_run doesn't take a viewport |
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| 04:02:25 | kugel | and since you've converted it to viewports, I assumed it's correct this way |
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| 04:04:14 | JdGordon | well... screens that work in a viewport should acept a parent... thats my opininon anyway, other may disagree |
| 04:04:44 | kugel | And why haven't you done this for quickscreen? |
| 04:05:14 | JdGordon | because im lazy probably |
| 04:05:20 | kugel | lol |
| 04:05:43 | JdGordon | any screens that dont accpet a viewport will always use the fullscreen... so your custom fullscreen patch wont work with them |
| 04:06:22 | JdGordon | breaky time |
| 04:06:25 | kugel | JdGordon: Well, I got quickscreen to work with it, by putting my list_info viewport directly in (instead of the vp created there) |
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| 04:18:32 | kugel | JdGordon: What's wrong with "struct viewport pitch_icons = *parent;" |
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| 04:22:53 | JdGordon | kugel: its unneeded.... pitch_icons can just be replaced with parent |
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| 04:23:14 | kugel | JdGordon: I don't intend to draw in the parent |
| 04:23:34 | JdGordon | your not changing it.. so there is no need to copy it |
| 04:23:49 | kugel | I draw into it |
| 04:24:13 | kugel | display->set_viewport(&pitch_icons); |
| 04:24:33 | JdGordon | just replace &pitch_icons with parent and it does the exact same thing |
| 04:25:14 | kugel | That's not my idea of the parent. The parent should just be like a container (in this case: dictate the margins to be used) |
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| 04:27:12 | JdGordon | your reading too much into the name parent... |
| 04:28:15 | kugel | JdGordon: Note: If I draw into that parent, the icons will remain after quitting the quickscreen, it's the same vp then gets passed to gui_syncpitchscreen_run |
| 04:29:30 | kugel | the parent isn't meant to be drawn anything in |
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| 04:31:22 | JdGordon | thats wrong.... a viewport is just a rectangle... no mater what its called... if its not cleared then yes it will stay... |
| 04:31:42 | kugel | sure if it's cleared... |
| 04:31:45 | JdGordon | and side not... if its 2 people in a conversatoin.. you really dont need to keep saying my name.. |
| 04:32:00 | JdGordon | copying the viewport doesnt magically clear it or stop that |
| 04:33:27 | kugel | I'd like to avoid clearing viewports, since e.g. that was the reason the statusbar flickered. So, unless I really need to, I avoid drawing into the parent |
| 04:34:14 | JdGordon | arg.. copying the viewport doesnt change anything... |
| 04:34:25 | JdGordon | drawing into the "parent" doesnt cause anything... |
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| 04:37:00 | kugel | well, if you want it like that |
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| 04:38:59 | JdGordon | food and then uni... ttyl |
| 04:41:01 | kugel | JdGordon: I'll quickly upload a new version which address your issues |
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| 10:15:14 | vitja | linuxstb, can you give me link to tcc77x sdk? |
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| 12:27:04 | Lear | linuxstb: Seen the bug FS #9189? |
| 12:29:18 | linuxstb | Lear: Just read it now.... |
| 12:30:08 | linuxstb | What version is the file that doesn't play? |
| 12:30:24 | Lear | Ok, regarding the first file, the metadata code checks for at least version 3.97, but shouldn't that check be for at least 3.95? |
| 12:30:34 | Lear | And the file version is 3.96. |
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| 12:31:22 | linuxstb | IIRC, files earlier than 3.97 shouldn't work... Or if they do, it's luck. |
| 12:33:36 | preglow | rasher: i know about the "" instead of none thing with the norwegian translation, and that kind of thing is the reason i want a proper translation tool |
| 12:34:23 | preglow | rasher: i replaced a bunch in my latest sync, but fixing all of them would require me to manually go over the entire file again, and i have better things to do |
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| 12:35:38 | Lear | This one seem to work (it's short though). For header parsing at least, tthe official source suggests that the versions to check are 3.95 and 3.98. But that's header only... |
| 12:36:34 | linuxstb | There are various checks throughout the code - the header format probably changed in 3.98, but the codec format itself changed with almost every release (helpfully...) |
| 12:37:27 | linuxstb | Which is one of the reasons it manages higher compression than other codecs - it didn't worry about backwards compatibility. |
| 12:38:20 | Lear | And for the track skip problem, there's a segfault in rangecoding.h:read_byte, I think towards the end of a track (haven't checked exactly where yet). That's for a 3.99 file. |
| 12:39:00 | linuxstb | Is it a 24-bit file? |
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| 12:39:46 | Lear | Nope. Plain 16 bit 44 kHz. |
| 12:39:56 | linuxstb | And presumably the official decoder works? |
| 12:40:42 | linuxstb | Could you give me these files? |
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| 12:41:45 | Lear | The APE plugin for Foobar seem to handle it fine. It's a ~40 MB zip. Ok to DCC? |
| 12:42:21 | linuxstb | I don't think DCC will work here, but you can try |
| 12:42:47 | Lear | It contains one 3.96 file, and two files for the track skip problem mentioned on FS. |
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| 13:51:34 | kugel | JdGordon: is the pf patch working on your target(s)? |
| 13:51:58 | JdGordon | havnt tried on target yet |
| 13:52:18 | kugel | ok |
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| 14:27:00 | kugel | Soap: I think Miss LED natural can stay in the WpsSansaE200 gallery. The original theme was posted under cc-by-sa on r-t.org, and the license requires any derivative work to use the same or a similar compatible license (and since it's not specified in the mod, I'd assume cc-by-sa) |
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| 14:39:50 | Bellski | guys, an1 know, it's possible stuck flac with Samsung T10 or not ? |
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| 14:43:29 | linuxstb | Bellski: I'm not sure what you're asking, but this is a channel about Rockbox, and Rockbox doesn't work on the Samsung T10. |
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| 14:46:02 | Bellski | sad :/ |
| 14:46:03 | Bellski | btw |
| 14:46:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's not sad. It's just how it is right now. If you want to see Rockbox on the Samsung T10, you should start working on the port. |
| 14:47:08 | Bellski | one problem i am not programmer :/ |
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| 14:47:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | What about getting hardware information? |
| 14:47:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | That just requires you to open the device, scan the board, and google for information about the chips inside. |
| 14:48:19 | vitja | Is anyone familar with usb-slave mode? |
| 14:48:41 | vitja | What should I do to test my usb driver? |
| 14:48:59 | Bellski | u mean if my T10 have ARM chip it's possible ? |
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| 14:49:15 | Bellski | vitja what wrong with ur usb ? |
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| 14:49:57 | vitja | Bellski, I'm trying to write usb-device driver for tcc77x |
| 14:50:12 | vitja | and I don't know how to add it to rockbox |
| 14:50:31 | vitja | in target configuration I enable USB stack |
| 14:50:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | vitja: If it's a TCC77X device, there are a few others working on devices with similar chipsets. |
| 14:51:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | Bellski: Having ARM or not has nothing to do with it. You have to identify what's in the device. |
| 14:51:18 | vitja | LambdaCalculus37, what do you want to say? |
| 14:51:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | vitja: I'm not exactly the guy to ask. I just help test the code. |
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| 14:52:21 | vitja | LambdaCalculus37, ok. I'm interested in rockbox usb infrastructure |
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| 14:53:37 | Bellski | btw i know AAC better than mp3 but how better ? |
| 14:54:03 | mcuelenaere | vitja: perhaps I could help you, I have added an USB driver in the past to Rockbox |
| 14:54:18 | vitja | mcuelenaere, Ok.. |
| 14:54:30 | mcuelenaere | what's the problem exactly? |
| 14:54:38 | BigBambi | Bellski: Please, stay on topic |
| 14:55:00 | vitja | mcuelenaere, I've written small code, that simply replies some control messages from the host |
| 14:55:09 | vitja | mcuelenaere, now I want let rockbox to handle them |
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| 14:56:14 | mcuelenaere | vitja: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/export/usb_drv.h?revision=17847 these are the functions you'd need to implement |
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| 14:57:10 | mcuelenaere | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/target/arm/usb-drv-arc.c?view=markup -> this is the working USB driver |
| 14:57:16 | mcuelenaere | (on PP targets) |
| 14:57:27 | vitja | mcuelenaere, okay when I'll write them, how can I test it, from bootloader? |
| 14:57:31 | mcuelenaere | this is the one I made (which doesn't work yet): http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/drivers/isp1583.c?view=markup |
| 14:57:42 | mcuelenaere | you'll need to edit the config-...h |
| 14:57:51 | vitja | mcuelenaere, in other words what should functions should I call? |
| 14:58:32 | mcuelenaere | see http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/export/config-creativezvm.h?view=markup below for an example (or look for other files) |
| 14:59:31 | mcuelenaere | vitja: I had this in a test bootloader: http://pastebin.com/d415dd9d |
| 14:59:37 | mcuelenaere | not sure if it's up to date though |
| 14:59:59 | mcuelenaere | you'll have to either wait till gevaerts get back or search yourself how the usb core communicates with the usb driver |
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| 15:01:38 | mcuelenaere | vitja: the usb driver (HW related) communicates with firmware/usbstack/usb_core.c (generic) |
| 15:02:00 | mcuelenaere | the best is to look how usb-drv-arc.c does it |
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| 15:02:41 | mcuelenaere | but I have to go now.. |
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| 16:41:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: My m230 is running v3.2.8A firmware. |
| 16:42:01 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Have you opened it up yet? |
| 16:42:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | No, not yet. |
| 16:42:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | But according to shotofadds, it's using a Tri-Flash encoder. |
| 16:42:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | And as for Telechips datasheets, I may have the TCC770 sheet somewhere. |
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| 16:43:21 | MarcGuay | Okay. Who knows what the firmware versions mean on the m200s. v1 could mean it's powered by squirrels. |
| 16:43:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | :D |
| 16:44:07 | MarcGuay | I got the bootloader to display the SD_STATUS... Which is NULL/default basically. That's as far as I've gotten.. |
| 16:44:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Any firmware that starts with 1.X.X or 2.X.X appear to be for NAND-based m200s. 3.X.X appears to be HARP, and I figure 4.X.X is AMD. |
| 16:44:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | s/AMD/AMS |
| 16:44:28 | MarcGuay | The SD_MCC stuff is around 0x90000100 I believe... |
| 16:45:40 | petur | MarcGuay: if you have time, please have a look at the updated patch of 9208 and see if the statusbar acts the way you want... (no hurry) |
| 16:46:21 | MarcGuay | petur: Okay, I saw the update but got myself wrapped up in something else. I'll see if I have a minute later on... |
| 16:46:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Have you got a file/folder listing of the c100's storage anywhere? |
| 16:47:09 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Could you reword that? |
| 16:47:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Do you have a directory listing of the c100? Basically everything that's on the c100, like a SYSTEM folder, or something? |
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| 18:41:51 | rasher | preglow: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/problems.php?lang=norsk points out exactly the IDs with "" rather than none (and the other way around) |
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| 18:42:37 | rasher | amiconn: have you seen the sapi_voice.vbs |
| 18:42:37 | rasher | sapi_voice.vbs |
| 18:42:38 | rasher | eh |
| 18:42:48 | rasher | amiconn: have you seen the sapi_voice.vbs changes in FS #9148? |
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| 18:46:13 | * | amiconn doesn't check the tracker regularly |
| 18:46:15 | amiconn | It' |
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| 18:47:24 | amiconn | The patch is backwards... |
| 18:47:45 | rasher | Yeah, I thought it might be |
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| 18:48:51 | rasher | I'm not entirely sure what he wants to achieve, and my knowledge of vbs and the appropriate tools is non-existing |
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| 18:52:58 | amiconn | I don't understand the changes in UTF8decode() at all. |
| 18:54:00 | amiconn | Using Split() with comma as a delimiter in this place doesn't do what it should. The function needs to operate on single (pseudo-)byte characters, not comma separated substrings |
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| 18:56:47 | amiconn | The other change should be okay, although this is the first time I hear of a sapi5 voice with no vendor attribute |
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| 18:57:31 | amiconn | The other freeware L&H voices which I checked (German, English, French) have it |
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| 18:57:39 | rasher | Weird |
| 18:58:40 | MarcGuay | Regarding the new theme guidelines, shouldn't themes with the ND (No Derivative) clause be in the graveyards? |
| 18:58:59 | BigBambi | MarcGuay: The Gallery is for now just 'permissive' |
| 18:59:07 | MarcGuay | It allows copying, but not altering ("You may not alter, transform, or build upon this work."). |
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| 18:59:21 | BigBambi | I guess that could be argued for ND, but it does let people fix them |
| 18:59:26 | BigBambi | or, my bad |
| 18:59:32 | BigBambi | s/or/ah/ |
| 18:59:34 | MarcGuay | BigBambi: So if I've found one with that clause, it should be moved...? |
| 18:59:41 | amiconn | And of course it shouldn't return 'Microsoft' if the vendor is not known. It should return something that properly indicates the fact, e.g. 'unknown' |
| 18:59:42 | BigBambi | I was getting confused :) |
| 18:59:56 | BigBambi | MarcGuay: I think so, yes |
| 18:59:58 | MarcGuay | BigBambi: That's what I call my "happy place". No worries/. |
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| 19:00:18 | pixelma | MarcGuay: do I remember correctly that you started the RockboxMuseum page? I'd like one thing taken off from there but am not sure of the page's purpose |
| 19:00:27 | rasher | amiconn: Do with it as you please - I'm certainly not going to touch it |
| 19:00:29 | BigBambi | MarcGuay: But yes, for me, ND is not 'permissive' |
| 19:01:16 | MarcGuay | pixelma: It's basically for pages that are currently not useful. Out of date stuff that will only confuse users... |
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| 19:01:51 | rasher | BigBambi: For our purpose (to be able to fix/modify themes), it's certainly not permissive. |
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| 19:02:04 | BigBambi | rasher: Exactly |
| 19:02:15 | pixelma | MarcGuay: I think the TriggerManual linked from there is still very helpful because the (tex) manual is not very detailed on that yet |
| 19:02:25 | BigBambi | rasher: I initially mis-read ND as NC |
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| 19:02:48 | MarcGuay | pixelma: I copied what I thought was important to the manual but I think you're right that some things may have been left out. |
| 19:03:10 | pixelma | I think I saw another page on triggered recording in the wiki but the former was more helpful to me |
| 19:03:18 | amiconn | rasher: Regarding japanese and pronunciation - if it's really the case that japanese sapi engines cannot cope well with kanji, perhaps the japanese *voice* strings should use hiragana and katakana only? Not sure; I don't speak or read japanese, I'm only basing this on basic information about the 3 japanese writing systems |
| 19:03:41 | MarcGuay | It's a pain moving themes because of the images. Are we just pointing them to the original uploaded location or moving the image? |
| 19:03:53 | rasher | amiconn: Ah, so the issue is not one of pronounciation, but one of writing system? |
| 19:04:09 | BigBambi | MarcGuay: If you look at what soap and I have done, we have replaced all relative paths with absolute, so you can just cut and paste |
| 19:04:11 | rasher | amiconn: I must have missed that. I thought he was simply modifying strings to sound better. |
| 19:04:15 | pixelma | MarcGuay: ok, I'll keep that on my ToDo list only for now |
| 19:04:21 | BigBambi | MarcGuay: The images aren't a problem |
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| 19:04:41 | MarcGuay | BigBambi: Great, thanks. |
| 19:05:01 | MarcGuay | pixelma: Alrighty. There's always that dusty ManualToDo page as well... :) |
| 19:05:27 | MarcGuay | pixelma: Feel free to move stuff though, that Museum page is by no means fixed.. |
| 19:07:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: I just found the honey pot in one of my thumb drives! |
| 19:07:16 | amiconn | rasher: This was just a related idea of mine; the patch looks like it modifies strings to sound better (which is the wrong way of course) |
| 19:07:38 | rasher | amiconn: Ah okay. |
| 19:08:18 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Ha. Nice. Sorry for disasspearing earlier I had shattered Windows. Gotta run again now.. A demain... |
| 19:08:22 | rasher | amiconn: I'll suggest it to him |
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| 19:10:14 | amiconn | rasher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_writing_system and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiragana especially "Hiragana are also used to give the pronunciation of kanji in a reading aid called furigana" |
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| 19:18:23 | amiconn | The check for existing vendor attribute is weird too. The sapi docs say that one should use 'On Error' to catch runtime errors caused by nonexisting attributes. MatchAttributes() has a very different purpose |
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| 19:20:13 | amiconn | While it might work here, it's undocumented use (MatchAttributes requires a semicolon separated list of <attribute>=<value> pairs, which are then checked against the object |
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| 19:40:04 | Imaginal | I am still having problems with nothing showing up in the "recently added" section. The database has been initialized. Files were added. Database updated. Ipod powered back down, and database committed. Any ideas? |
| 19:43:21 | pixelma | I believe this function needs the "Gather Runtime Data" option enabled to work, maybe you can find that info in the manual or the DataBase wiki page |
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| 19:45:32 | Imaginal | Gather runtime data is set to yes |
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| 19:59:50 | mrkiko | Has anyone talked about rockbox crashing with voice enabled on H3xx models? I tried with a site-generated build downloaded some days ago, 7 days ago. |
| 19:59:54 | mrkiko | and it happens |
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| 20:01:19 | domonoky | how does it crash ? any error message ? |
| 20:02:41 | mrkiko | No: as always the crash is immediate and there are no ways to catch the player off the crash: I need to reset it. And, interesting: I can reproduce the crash only when no audio is active except for the voice. |
| 20:02:44 | bertrik | mrkiko, I know of a bug with H3xx that causes it to skip tracks sometimes when battery level announcing is enabled |
| 20:03:13 | mrkiko | I know this also but it's not my problem... |
| 20:03:22 | mrkiko | since I have the time to find skipped tracks :) |
| 20:03:28 | mrkiko | fortunately... |
| 20:03:44 | domonoky | mrkiko: please retest with current build and voice file from the website. |
| 20:03:47 | Llorean | Well, if there's no error message, what do you mean by "crash"? |
| 20:03:48 | mrkiko | the problem with the bug I'm referring is basically one - I can't trigger it reliably enough... |
| 20:04:13 | mrkiko | I mean that the player will not react aniway to anything and will stay locked. |
| 20:04:18 | Llorean | So it freezes? |
| 20:04:19 | mrkiko | the battery in this state consumes very quickly |
| 20:04:24 | Llorean | Does the screen continue to update or not? |
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| 20:04:25 | mrkiko | so I imagine the CPU is in a loop. |
| 20:04:33 | mrkiko | no |
| 20:04:44 | Llorean | So the RTC stops changing? |
| 20:04:54 | mrkiko | any key is ignored. I made a screen check with the help of someone and it seems the player is freezed |
| 20:05:57 | mrkiko | Don't know. I spoke about this constantly on september, but since I haven't found a way to produce the problem reliably I stopped. Now I have 3 H3xx players, and the bug verifies on all them. |
| 20:06:04 | mrkiko | So it's not an hardware specificp roblem. |
| 20:06:14 | Llorean | Is there a bug report for it, with steps to reproduce using a current build? |
| 20:06:33 | pixelma | I saw occasional and unexpected freezes on my M5 (which uses the same CPU as the H300), just when browsing the file tree for example, with voice enabled but that hasn't happened in a while to me |
| 20:07:12 | mrkiko | No: a bug report was filled at that time by another user (blind, I remember), but it was closed since no-one was able to reproduce it... |
| 20:07:41 | Llorean | mrkiko: Well if you can verify absolutely that the problem is still around, file a new one with new instructions. |
| 20:08:29 | mrkiko | Llorean: yes, I'll do. Tonight, I will try to reproduce it in my bed :) |
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| 20:09:19 | mrkiko | aniway: I can trigger it more esaily whitin the file browser. |
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| 20:10:34 | mrkiko | should I be registered to fill a bug report? |
| 20:10:39 | mrkiko | And if so, is the registration process accessible? |
| 20:11:09 | Llorean | We've had blind users make use of the tracker before, so some have found it so. |
| 20:12:12 | pixelma | mrkiko: do you use a different language (other than English). I'm not sure if that matters but maybe it does... |
| 20:13:34 | * | pixelma wonders whether "Catch mem accesses" works on H300 and if that could give some info |
| 20:13:56 | pixelma | guess it should work but I don't know |
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| 20:18:26 | Nico_P | bertrik: maybe Thomas Schott should be added to CREDITS |
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| 20:20:22 | bertrik | Nico_P, I don't know the policy for that. Should anyone who gets their patch submitted be added to the CREDITS? |
| 20:20:32 | Nico_P | I think that's the policy |
| 20:20:39 | bertrik | Ok |
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| 20:22:21 | rasher | Unless it's a change that is small enough that it could have been given verbally, I think anyone who writes code that ends up in Rockbox gets added. |
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| 20:24:17 | Bagder | yes, we should not be restrictive about adding contributors there imho |
| 20:24:34 | bertrik | This is the fix he contributed: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9203?getfile=17119 |
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| 20:29:00 | bertrik | OK, I'll add him then |
| 20:29:47 | rasher | I'd say that's just over the lower limit if it was up to me |
| 20:31:40 | petur | bugger... MarcGuay said 'A demain' :( |
| 20:31:49 | mrkiko | ... |
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| 20:32:13 | mrkiko | pixelma: english |
| 20:32:49 | * | petur kicks mrkiko |
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| 20:33:41 | pixelma | petur: why? |
| 20:34:07 | mrkiko | petur: why |
| 20:34:35 | mrkiko | petur: "..." means I'm reading text |
| 20:34:43 | mrkiko | not on the current window |
| 20:34:55 | petur | mrkiko: I thought the 'english' was directed at me, not pixelma |
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| 20:36:04 | mrkiko | petur: ok; english is an insult? :) |
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| 20:36:49 | pixelma | a misunderstanding... |
| 20:37:29 | mrkiko | pixelma: aniway Now I'm not able to trigger it. I know it will happen when I won't, so these days I will retry. |
| 20:37:33 | mrkiko | I'm sure... |
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| 20:41:39 | preglow | rasher: why, that's most excellent |
| 20:41:44 | preglow | your web tools really are great |
| 20:42:39 | rasher | I just added that test - I never knew it was an issue until pixelma/petur noticed |
| 20:42:57 | rasher | By pure luck, the Danish translation only had a couple |
| 20:43:34 | petur | I never knew until the compilation of my patch gave a warning for certain languages... still do not understand why |
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| 20:44:37 | pixelma | I don't understand why it doesn't show in other places if it is an issue |
| 20:46:05 | rasher | I guess we need to make translators aware of the problems.php page in some way |
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| 20:47:35 | bertrik | petur, I notice that some dutch translations are taken literally from english but could have been translated, also some voice translations seem to be missing. Ok if I have a go at some of them? |
| 20:47:51 | petur | sure |
| 20:48:11 | Imaginal | I am still having problems with nothing showing up in the "recently added" section. The database has been initialized. Files were added. Database updated. Ipod powered back down, and database committed. Any ideas? |
| 20:48:48 | Llorean | Imaginal: You shouldn't need to commit after an update. |
| 20:49:23 | Imaginal | Llorean: It just says that when i turn it back on |
| 20:49:43 | Llorean | How did you update? |
| 20:49:49 | bertrik | If a voice translation is missing, it's not spoken right? or is there some kind of fallback mechanism such that the normal translation is spoken in that case? |
| 20:50:05 | Imaginal | Settings->General->Database->Update Database |
| 20:50:20 | Llorean | Imaginal: And had you had your database committed and fully working before doing that? |
| 20:50:21 | pixelma | bertrik: no fallback |
| 20:50:34 | Imaginal | Llorean: yes |
| 20:51:09 | Imaginal | The new additions can be found in the database artist, album... but not in recently added |
| 20:51:27 | Llorean | Imaginal: If you're getting a commit on reboot it's re-initializing. |
| 20:51:31 | Llorean | You shouldn't need to reboot in the first place. |
| 20:51:53 | Llorean | What revision of Rockbox are you using? |
| 20:51:59 | Imaginal | Llorean: today's build |
| 20:52:05 | Llorean | That's not an answer |
| 20:52:08 | Llorean | There are many builds a day. |
| 20:52:20 | Imaginal | Llorean: one moment |
| 20:52:30 | Llorean | It's a download from the website, unpatched? |
| 20:53:04 | Imaginal | Llorean: yes r18192-080804 |
| 20:53:17 | Llorean | Why are you rebooting after updating? |
| 20:53:56 | Imaginal | Llorean: just powering it off. I wasn't sure if it needed it or not, because whatever I'm doing right now isn't working. Why not? |
| 20:55:25 | Llorean | Well, your database is having some sort of problem because it shouldn't re-commit. |
| 20:55:34 | Imaginal | What steps should I take to make sure this problem is not my fault? |
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| 20:55:49 | Llorean | Does it re-commit occasionally if you don't change the files on your disk? |
| 20:56:38 | Imaginal | When I had autoupdate on, it seemed to commit after every powerdown, but when I don't change files, it doesn't commit |
| 20:56:48 | Imaginal | or powerup, i guess |
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| 20:56:57 | Llorean | Do your files have album art or large comments in their metadata? |
| 20:57:27 | Imaginal | Llorean: no, they have been optimized for portable playback |
| 20:58:06 | Llorean | "Optimized for portable playback" doesn't mean anything to me. |
| 20:58:16 | Llorean | What, exactly, do you mean by that term? |
| 20:59:07 | Imaginal | I had some m4a's with album art, ran them through a program to strip the album art and comments |
| 20:59:39 | Imaginal | there are many formats through many years on this device though, so I don't think that is the problem |
| 20:59:47 | Llorean | the only program I know of that uses the term "optimize" for MP4 metadata simply moves it to the front of the file, it doesn't remove any. |
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| 21:00:37 | Llorean | Having a wide range of files and types increases the odds of the problem. If a single file is causing the update to fail and require a re-commit, then it's going to happen every time until you identify that one file and fix it. |
| 21:01:04 | Imaginal | fair enough, would that really have anything to do with "recently added" not working but everything else, including playback and ratings, works fine? |
| 21:01:20 | Llorean | "recently added" won't work after a commit, because *everything* is readded in that case. |
| 21:01:34 | Imaginal | it remembers the number of times it was played though |
| 21:01:42 | Llorean | So? |
| 21:01:54 | Llorean | You're making assumptions based on two different features. |
| 21:02:23 | Imaginal | It is the same database, though, isn't it? |
| 21:02:47 | Llorean | But two different features of the database. |
| 21:03:18 | Llorean | Look, I've told you what needs to be done. You need to figure out which files are causing it to commit again. This is a problem whether or not it fixes the recently added issue. |
| 21:03:27 | Llorean | If you don't believe it will, it's still the first thing you need to do toward figuring it out. |
| 21:03:39 | Llorean | So you're welcome to believe I'm incorrect, but you still need to do it before proceeding. |
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| 21:05:20 | Imaginal | Llorean: Thank you for your help. I think, to narrow this down, I will remove all audio file. Add one mp3, update, then add another and see if it appears. That should show either *all* of my files are bad, or something else is going on, right? |
| 21:06:03 | Llorean | Or that some are, and among those are the ones you picked. |
| 21:07:40 | Imaginal | Yes, i understand that, but i think that is unlikely. I will try across several file types, and recently copied cds. |
| 21:07:52 | Imaginal | Just to make sure |
| 21:08:01 | Llorean | It seems very likely one of your files is the problem |
| 21:08:09 | Llorean | Thousands of people are using the database without this problem. |
| 21:08:13 | Llorean | You, on the other hand, are having it. |
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| 21:09:12 | Imaginal | Again, I understand and would like to fix it. |
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| 21:10:08 | Llorean | Well, you seem to keep suggesting that you think something else is at fault, and that you should put a minimal amount of effort into checking, then if something happens that you expected to happen, say the problem is elsewhere. |
| 21:11:20 | Llorean | You're going to need to do quite a bit of testing before you can discount your files as being the problem, and may need to go so far as to find a known good file. |
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| 21:12:32 | Llorean | Though you can probably create one by stripping all tags from an MP3 and then putting just Title, Artist, and Album on it. |
| 21:13:25 | Imaginal | Llorean: I'm sorry if I offended you. I've been testing for 2 days, running different scenarios. Accounts of this same problem have shown up in the forums too, but I haven't heard a solution. I will get back to you after I have tried your suggestions. Hopefully you are right. |
| 21:14:40 | Llorean | Imaginal: Accounts in the forum are *regularly* resolved by finding a file with problematic metadata. |
| 21:14:59 | Llorean | It's not that we haven't seen this problem before, but that we haven't seen it where deep investigation of the involved files hasn't resolved it. |
| 21:15:41 | Llorean | What would be particularly helpful is if, after you've identified which files are problematic, you file a proper bug report with what exact metadata causes the database update to fail |
| 21:16:48 | Imaginal | Sounds good to me. Have a great day. |
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| 21:18:21 | petur | bah... the term 'scrolling' really is confusing in the list code - should have been 'wrapping' |
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| 21:20:13 | * | amiconn experienced nasty side effects of mixed viewported / not viewported screens several times now |
| 21:20:52 | amiconn | If you enter the radio context menu and select an item that scrolls, this scrolling item won't vanish when you go back to the radio screen, but will overlay it |
| 21:21:53 | petur | at least you get scrolling - I can't get my list item(s) to scroll :( |
| 21:22:16 | petur | even when setting scroll_all to true, nothing |
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| 21:22:37 | * | petur fires up insight |
| 21:22:48 | amiconn | Perhaps you're redrawing too often? |
| 21:22:56 | amiconn | Items only scroll if you let them |
| 21:23:02 | petur | hmmmm |
| 21:23:10 | petur | good point |
| 21:24:17 | pixelma | it's probably updated quite often for the file size? |
| 21:25:01 | pixelma | or peakmeters |
| 21:25:30 | amiconn | The list? |
| 21:26:16 | pixelma | well I don't know the viewport borders |
| 21:31:34 | Juho_ | oh man my sansa player doesnt show as a portable drive |
| 21:32:16 | Juho_ | so rockbox utility doesnt find it |
| 21:32:44 | scorche | Juho_: is it in MSC/UMS mode as opposed to MTP? |
| 21:32:59 | Juho_ | oh jeah -.- |
| 21:33:12 | pixelma | and which sansa player and the original firmware version could be helpful too |
| 21:34:48 | Juho_ | ok i set it to msc |
| 21:35:49 | Juho_ | e260 is the model and firmware is 01.02.24E |
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| 21:41:11 | Juho_ | so i ran the complete installation |
| 21:41:29 | Juho_ | now it should work when i plug the player out? |
| 21:41:36 | Juho_ | off* |
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| 21:42:29 | Horscht | so, who won the summer of code? |
| 21:44:41 | petur | see wiki |
| 21:45:02 | Juho_ | how can i boot the original firmware? |
| 21:45:20 | linuxstb | see manual |
| 21:45:54 | scorche | it isnt really a "won" sort of thing... |
| 21:46:28 | Llorean | scorche: Perhaps the correct answer is "the users"? |
| 21:46:42 | scorche | that remains to be seen ;) |
| 21:46:46 | Horscht | it's not a competition? |
| 21:47:10 | linuxstb | No, it's a summer job for a few hundred (?) people. |
| 21:47:10 | scorche | Horscht: certain people are selected to complete their proposed projects |
| 21:47:31 | petur | linuxstb: 900+ I think |
| 21:47:33 | scorche | students are essentially working for an open source org while google funds their work |
| 21:48:02 | scorche | Llorean: although the main purpose is to get more committers, so the project as a whole, i would say |
| 21:48:25 | linuxstb | We should stop hiring committers then ;) |
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| 21:52:00 | bertrik | hmm, do we accept patches that only fix source code comments? |
| 21:52:10 | petur | why not |
| 21:52:25 | linuxstb | bertrik: Are you talking about the c200/e200 radio comment? |
| 21:52:37 | bertrik | linuxstb, yes, FS #9234 |
| 21:52:59 | linuxstb | That comment seems against the whole idea of using hardware-feature defines - if we need to update comments every time a new target using that hardware is added... |
| 21:55:15 | bertrik | petur, it may set a precedent for people to submit non-essential patches |
| 21:55:19 | pixelma | yeah, that comment should refer to the tuner chip IMO |
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| 21:57:14 | petur | betrik: in the end, you always commit patches on a case by case basis, so no problem there |
| 21:57:55 | mrkiko | I'm trying th understand better how rockbox works, but datasheets are at least never accessible :) |
| 21:58:59 | linuxstb | bertrik: That patch isn't even correct - the Cowon D2 also uses that tuner.... |
| 21:59:25 | bertrik | maybe we should not even mention sansa c200 or e200 at all then |
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| 21:59:50 | linuxstb | bertrik: Yes, that's what I was trying to say. |
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| 22:00:18 | * | pixelma feels ignored ;) |
| 22:01:10 | * | mrkiko feels displeased for pixelma |
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| 22:06:16 | MyGeneration | hi |
| 22:07:04 | mrkiko | MyGeneration: hi |
| 22:07:08 | bluebrother | ho |
| 22:07:31 | scorche | ho |
| 22:09:37 | MyGeneration | bye |
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| 22:09:45 | mrkiko | is "ho" a synonimn of "hi"? |
| 22:10:05 | bluebrother | bo |
| 22:10:08 | petur | it's a dwarf thing... |
| 22:10:22 | ZincAlloy | 'lo |
| 22:10:25 | mrkiko | oops, I don't know "dwaf" either - I need to be flashed :) |
| 22:10:28 | bluebrother | and now for the hard question: what did MyGeneration want to tell us? |
| 22:10:51 | mrkiko | probably nothing |
| 22:12:08 | bertrik | oh sorry pixelma |
| 22:12:32 | pixelma | ;) |
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| 22:26:20 | mrkiko | MyGeneration: and so? :) |
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| 22:27:13 | bertrik | bluebrother, can't get rbutil to run in dutch anymore |
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| 22:29:36 | bluebrother | bertrik: strange. You have removed the quotes from the options line, have you? |
| 22:29:53 | bertrik | bluebrother, I mean the user interface language |
| 22:30:46 | bluebrother | ah, you mean the dropdown list from the voice file dialog? |
| 22:31:57 | bertrik | no, I mean the language tab in the configuration dialog shows nederlands, but all of the user interface texts are still english |
| 22:33:10 | bluebrother | hmm. Checking ... |
| 22:33:35 | bertrik | german seems to work though |
| 22:33:51 | bertrik | maybe I just need to do a make clean, I'll try that |
| 22:34:09 | bluebrother | no, I can reproduce the issue. |
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| 22:43:18 | rasher | bertrik: Have you checked http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/problems.php?lang=nederlands ? |
| 22:44:31 | * | petur reckons a lot of those sysfonts will soon be history |
| 22:51:56 | bertrik | rasher, yes it helped a lot, but I see now I missed a few and there were also a few where I didn't know what to do |
| 22:53:01 | * | domonoky can also reproduce this rbutil issue with nederlands translation... its strange.. |
| 22:53:54 | bluebrother | yep ... I really don't understand it |
| 22:54:47 | amiconn | rasher: I fail to understand why fs#9148 changes UTF8decode() in sapu_voice.vbs |
| 22:54:59 | amiconn | *sapi_voice.vbs |
| 22:55:54 | amiconn | I have a fix for the missing vendor attribute (although it's not really important - sapi_voice.vbs sets 'On Error Resume Next', meaning that error won't stop it, but just be reported on exit) |
| 22:56:43 | rasher | amiconn: Maybe his translation is using a broken charset? I really don't know what he's doing |
| 22:58:21 | amiconn | That might be the reason - *.lang must be utf-8, but if he uses the local charset, his "fix" will make UTF8decode() effectively do nothing, meaning it will work right for him |
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| 23:01:16 | petur | pixelma, MarcgGuay (for the logs),... : new recscreen patch at 9208, if all goes well I'll probably commit tomorrow (comments welcome) |
| 23:01:38 | Llorean | rasher: On the issue of "voicing other languages", any chance it might be possible to add an extra string containing a romanized, phonetic version of the string so that there's a standard for when there's not a native TTS, or for when native TTSes are finicky and a straight phonetic one might at least be more consistently understandable? Or does this sound crazy? |
| 23:01:41 | petur | *MarcGuay |
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| 23:03:08 | amiconn | A phonetic version would require using the international phonetic alphabet - and TTS engines which understand it |
| 23:05:49 | Llorean | Well, is that too problematic though? |
| 23:07:21 | amiconn | I don't know whether any of the widespread tts engines understand the international phonetic alphabet |
| 23:07:26 | rasher | I think the problem is finding someone who can reliably write anything in IPA |
| 23:07:50 | Llorean | rasher: Well, yeah. |
| 23:08:13 | rasher | I think such a feature would be woefully under-used |
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| 23:17:40 | Llorean | Zagor: Coarse seeking isn't much use within a short file, the normal accelerated seeking is *probably* going to be fast enough there? |
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| 23:19:19 | Zagor | Llorean: if speed is what you are looking for, perhaps. but that was not the purpose of study mode as I understand it. the rename to skip_length did more than rename, it changed the function into something else. I'm wondering if that was on purpose. |
| 23:20:24 | Llorean | I'm not sure. |
| 23:20:33 | Llorean | What purpose did you see study mode as then, that's different from the current feature? |
| 23:20:52 | linuxstb | What settings did we lose? |
| 23:21:23 | Zagor | we lost the ability to skip back/forth x seconds. |
| 23:22:26 | linuxstb | So "x" could be any number of seconds (from 1 upwards) ? |
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| 23:23:41 | Zagor | linuxstb: in study mode yes, iiuc. but the current code only steps whole minutes. |
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| 23:24:15 | Zagor | I can imagine cases where skipping 10 seconds or so would be useful. for example when, you know, studying... |
| 23:24:27 | linuxstb | Yes, I'm just looking at the patch that changed it, and it looks like the previous patch was configurable from 1 to 250 seconds. |
| 23:24:51 | Llorean | You can seek 10 seconds very quickly anyway, though. |
| 23:24:59 | linuxstb | Llorean: Exactly 10 seconds? |
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| 23:25:20 | Zagor | Llorean: not terribly quickly. and not terribly conveniently |
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| 23:25:24 | Llorean | linuxstb: If you needed to skip precisely 10 seconds, and did not need to seek 1 second either direction, I can see being able to jump 10 as being reliably faster. |
| 23:26:00 | Llorean | But if you need to go over one short passage repeatedly, A-B repeat is for that. |
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| 23:26:21 | Zagor | A-B is quite far from this |
| 23:26:30 | linuxstb | Llorean: But really, what's the harm in having sub 1-minute settings? |
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| 23:26:47 | Llorean | It takes me ~1.5 seconds to seek 10 seconds forward in a file. |
| 23:26:58 | Llorean | linuxstb: Mixing units was apparently a complication. |
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| 23:27:26 | Zagor | so let's just stick to seconds |
| 23:27:50 | Llorean | So we should have "60, 120, 180, etc" for the larger values? |
| 23:28:17 | Zagor | yes |
| 23:28:42 | linuxstb | Obviously it would be better to have a nice formatting function. I don't know if there are other cases where that could be used... |
| 23:29:45 | Zagor | or we make a fixed list, like today. only we include some sub-minute durations. then we can mix units any way we want. |
| 23:30:10 | Zagor | see the "trigger start duration" setting for example |
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| 23:31:09 | Llorean | Well, go ahead and fix it then. AFAIK it's the way it is just because minutes seemed a more reasonable unit than seconds to the person who finally said "Okay, fine, I'll fix study mode to make more sense" |
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| 23:31:36 | Llorean | It's one of those cases where nobody was doing the work, so it ended up how the person who stepped up saw the feature. |
| 23:32:04 | Llorean | Personally, I don't think it's problematic the way it is, but I don't see any reason not to include more options as long as nothing's lost. |
| 23:32:16 | Zagor | yeah that's what I thought. but I had to ask. |
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| 23:42:39 | Soap | kugel, on the "inheritance" of CC-BY-SA (or any other license for that matter) - This is something I am legally unsure of. I strongly suspect the derivative work's author needs to make the decision to either: A-Pull the theme or B-Honour the original license terms. I don't think we have the legal ground to stand on to take it upon ourselves to make that decision. |
| 23:43:30 | kugel | Soap: I thought it wouldn't need to be specifically CC-BY-SA for the wps gallery (only for the theme site) |
| 23:43:51 | Soap | you're missing my point. |
| 23:44:49 | Soap | My point is - in direct response to what you said to me in here earlier today - is that I do not think we can "assume" a license for derivative work "B" simply because work "A" (of which B is a modification of) is licensed. |
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| 23:45:32 | Soap | The author of B might be breaking the terms of the license for A by releasing B, but that does not mean we can put A's license on B for him. |
| 23:46:18 | Soap | IIUC the author of B needs to either 1 - remove the infringing work, or 2 - abide by the terms of the license on A. |
| 23:46:32 | Soap | I do not believe we have the legal right to assume answer #2. |
| 23:46:34 | Llorean | Soap: Actually. |
| 23:46:36 | bluebrother | there's another point: B might have taken the work of A before he released it with that specific license, and the license used earlier might be different |
| 23:46:44 | Soap | that too, bluebrother. |
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| 23:47:02 | jac0b|w | I am installing the gigabeat S bootloader |
| 23:47:07 | Soap | But with me unable to view history of the larger wiki pages (Server Error 500) I can't find that out. |
| 23:47:10 | bluebrother | or A released his work using various different licenses. See Qt for an example. |
| 23:47:11 | Llorean | My understanding of "Viral" licenses is that if the item A is "virally licensed" and item B is based on it, it gets the license whether the releasor of B states the license or not. |
| 23:47:22 | kugel | Soap: CC-BY-SA requires a license (simliar or compatible), so we can assume a license |
| 23:47:23 | jac0b|w | but the player didn't reboot after I sent the nk.bin to the player |
| 23:47:23 | Llorean | Assuming that B is based on the virally licensed copy of A |
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| 23:48:25 | Llorean | That's why once companies have distributed something based on GPL code, they're obligated to release the source and can't merely say "oops, we recall our distribution of that" |
| 23:48:26 | Soap | kugel, What if the author of B was ignorant of A's license, doesn't like A's license, and never intended to use A's license? IIUC the author of B can not be compelled to release using A's license, he can simply withdraw the work. |
| 23:48:33 | Llorean | But it does depend on the license being viral and clearly so. |
| 23:49:03 | Llorean | Soap: He can withdraw the work, but any copy of the work already released inherits the license still, because he did not have the ability to deny that license. |
| 23:49:09 | Llorean | Ignorance doesn't prevent the license from happening. |
| 23:49:18 | kugel | So, license inheritance is nonsense at all? |
| 23:49:39 | Soap | If you are correct, Llorean, then I am clearly wrong. It is still an unknown as far as I am concerned and until the issue is settled I am hesitant to start slapping licenses around. |
| 23:49:42 | Llorean | He can withdraw the original copy, and cease his own distribution of it, but if anyone else got the file, it's more or less too late. You see this with GPL disputes and commercial vendors frequently. |
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| 23:49:49 | Llorean | But, this is specifically GPL |
| 23:50:00 | Llorean | CC licenses I'm not familiar with how strictly they're inherited. |
| 23:50:14 | Soap | And we /clearly/ are not vetting the validity of these licenses. |
| 23:50:29 | Soap | How many of those "CC-BY-SA" works contain copyright infringing images? |
| 23:50:33 | Llorean | And, in this case, it sounds like B may be based on a copy of A without a clear license anyway. |
| 23:50:59 | kugel | you're not vetting the license you choosed for the theme site? |
| 23:51:13 | Soap | I really don't want to get into the game of making licensing decisions, I feel it is much safer to take authors at face value and not try to rewrite history. |
| 23:51:20 | Llorean | kugel: We aren't vetting whether the themes *can* be licensed under it. |
| 23:51:40 | Zagor | anybody want an archos jukebox 6000? |
| 23:52:00 | Soap | rockboxable? (I need to look up my archos lines) |
| 23:52:13 | Zagor | Soap: it's the first rockbox target |
| 23:52:29 | Soap | how much (delivered to the US)? |
| 23:52:37 | Zagor | I have an owner who offers to send it to a dev |
| 23:52:39 | Soap | (and how large of a drive in it currently?) |
| 23:52:49 | Soap | I'm no coder - forget it. |
| 23:53:11 | jac0b|w | hey on the gigabeat S can I delete the folders on the main drive? |
| 23:53:19 | Llorean | Soap: I think what is necessary is someone tell the author "You released the a work based on a CC-by-SA (or whatever) license. This obligates you to pick terms compatible with it. You can't unrelease it as it's been downloaded, but you can pick your own license within the limits of the original one and need to do so." |
| 23:53:54 | Soap | I feel much better about that, Llorean, than doing it ourselves. |
| 23:53:58 | Llorean | Yeah. |
| 23:55:07 | Llorean | Since I think there is some elbow room, but they do have obligations if they've distributed it at all (which they have simply by uploading it to us, as that's distribution) |
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| 23:56:05 | Soap | Zagor, on another topic: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/rdiff/Main/WpsIpod5g?type=history fails to load. |
| 23:56:22 | Soap | I ASSume it is because it is a 468 revision history of a large wiki page? |
| 23:56:35 | pixelma | Soap: in firefox? |
| 23:56:37 | Soap | *468 revision long |
| 23:56:47 | Soap | pixelma, yes - but it is a 500 server error, FWIW. |
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| 23:57:29 | pixelma | ah, ok. Didn't have a look and just assumed that it's the problem that FF often has with very long pages |
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| 23:57:58 | Soap | It might be - hold on FF is still trying. |
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