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#rockbox log for 2008-08-05

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00:05:37Soapyes, it is an apache 500 error.
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00:21:14jac0b|wdo I have to do the fdisk thing for the gigabeat S if I am on windows
00:22:55Nico_Pjac0b|w: no, it'll detect both partitions fine
00:23:08Nico_Pwindows is less picky than linux
00:24:28jac0b|wwell I do have unbuntu also
00:25:18jac0b|wunfortunately my machine is down and I am using my G/F's
00:25:29jac0b|whow do I fdisk with windows xp
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00:59:38HTMLCODERcan anyone find a reason on why Rockbox has severe problems reading wps files?
01:00:03MarcGuayWhat are the rules regarding culling information from datasheets found on random internet sites and adding it to the wiki? The datahseet appears to have no privacy notice apart from the regular copyright.
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01:00:47safetydanHTMLCODER: did you just update to a newer build? There as a big change to the WPS syntax that broke a lot of older WPS's
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01:01:31HTMLCODERsafetydan: thanks for the info, i did not but i *might* do that accidentally..
01:01:44HTMLCODERany converters?
01:01:58safetydanyou'll need to either find a new version, or fix them yourself
01:02:03HTMLCODERok thanks bye
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01:03:43pixelmain the tracker task, there was also a script for some conversion (not sure what it did exactly and what not)
01:05:33pixelmasafetydan: it's named "", so at least one for the progress bar changes (in FS #9027)
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01:10:49kugelsafetydan: there's a converter for the %pb tag
01:11:00kugeloh, pixelma already said, sorry
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01:11:17safetydanI was not aware of that.
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01:11:52safetydanI thought there was more than just the %pb change though?
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01:12:39MarcGuayThe %margin tags get really sticky.
01:12:50pixelmathe margin tag %m was also removed but if it's there it doesn't break the wps completely, it'll just look weird
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01:14:27pixelmaand I guess slightly less WPSs used that in comparison to %pb
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01:58:42kugelpixelma: no, it'll break
01:59:20kugelwps with unkown tags are rejected
01:59:22pixelmait didn't for me and linuxstb
01:59:31kugelit did for me
01:59:37kugeli'm pretty sure
01:59:38pixelmaaccording to linuxstb they are not
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02:02:24kugelpixelma: a quick test showed that it breaks
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02:37:25pixelmain case of the margins tag it could also break because of the | and not because of an unknown tag... but he already left. Well, I should get some sleep too
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04:13:57alleleis there a reason some plugins are able to run while playing music like sudoku while others aren't?
04:14:24LloreanDepends on how much RAM the plugin needs.
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04:36:48allelealso for rockbox what are the limits on integer size?
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04:38:39safetydanallele: see inttypes.h, but generally int is 32 bit
04:38:56alleleok, thanks
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07:44:04AntonioThomasHi I would like to submit battery benchmark for the iaudio x5, how do I get permission to edit the wiki?
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07:51:56cool_walking_AntonioThomas: That's how :) I just gave you write permission.
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09:31:33vitjaanyone familar with rockbox usbstack here?
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09:33:10GodEatergevaerts is the expert, but he's still on holiday
09:33:27JdGordonpetur: hey, at 5am its usualy a safe bet that im either asleep or drunk on my way to bed :) still need me?
09:33:57peturheh, I was too lazy to see/calc what time it was down under ;)
09:34:24peturI was just wondering if you had some remarks about the rec screen patch
09:34:37linuxstbLear: ping (for the logs...)
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09:35:40JdGordonpetur: add a world clock to your computer clock :) I havnt looked at it, but from the comments it looks like its almost done so I'll have a look in a while..
09:35:53JdGordonunless your fidgety and I can look now
09:36:25peturnext rockbox time is tonight very late or tomorrow, so no hurry...
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11:56:55JdGordonpetur: have you checked deltas for the rec patch?
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11:59:38peturyes, last time I looked it was around -1700. might be a bit more or less with the latest patch
12:00:11JdGordonI dont tihnk the viewports actually need to be globals if you want to save a bit more...
12:00:31peturhmmm true
12:00:34JdGordonand line 1026 of the patch you have // commented out code to redraw the lists
12:00:47peturmight see if I can shave some more off
12:01:11peturJdGordon: ah, that needs to go obviously ;)
12:01:50JdGordonalso, 1079? your clearing the vp without setting it? (only looking at the diff right now...)
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12:02:38andrewbeveridgehey, just wondering if anybody else has noticed that when the database is not used for tracks, and one track in a folder full of tracks is selected for playback, the playlist is ordered by filename, but numerically wrong, in my opinion.
12:02:40andrewbeveridgeFor example, a folder full of twelve tracks (each filename starting with the track number) would be played back in this order: "1,10,11,12,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9" instead of "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12". Is there any way to change this?
12:03:22peturJdGordon: put your remarks in the tracker and I'll have a look tonight - no time now
12:03:29JdGordonandrewbeveridge: yes, rename your files
12:03:35JdGordonpetur: ok
12:04:52andrewbeveridgeJdGordon: um, to what - how would that help?
12:05:13JdGordon01, 02 ....
12:05:23andrewbeveridgeah ok
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12:20:22crwli don't know if this is a FAQ, but as the only option in the context menu when browsing the database is the playlist submenu, why can't it just jump straight to that menu?
12:22:44JdGordonbecause we are lazy... but yes maybe that shold happen
12:24:01LinusNi guess it is for consistency
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12:26:24LinusNit would be somewhat confusing to have it enter the context menu when you're in the file browser, and the playlist menu when you're in the database browser
12:26:53LinusNand it's only a matter of time before we add more entries in the database context menu
12:27:59crwlyou are probably right
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14:22:01jac0b|wI noticed that the gigabeat S doesn't charge from USB
14:22:21LambdaCalculus37The Gigabeat S doesn't charge from Rockbox at all yet.
14:22:22jac0b|wis this a known issue?
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14:22:33LambdaCalculus37Power management is about the only thing missing that's vital.
14:22:45LambdaCalculus37Well, that and FM radio on the 60GB model.
14:24:00BigBambijac0b|w: Yes, the port not being finished is a known issue
14:24:38BigBambiThat's why it isn't offered for download, there is no manual, etc....
14:24:49jac0b|wI had a problem with mine, I transferred all my music from my old gigabeat F to the gigabeat S last nite and when I disconnected the S and it restarted it deleted all my stuff
14:25:01LambdaCalculus37How did you do the transfer?
14:25:05LambdaCalculus37Through MTP?
14:25:13BigBambiEverytime it goes into recovery mode, it repartitions and reformats
14:25:32LambdaCalculus37Also if you fiddle with the OF files on the main partition.
14:25:42jac0b|wthat must have been what happened it did a recovery
14:26:00BigBambiLambdaCalculus37: I happily deleted all the extra files on both partitions
14:26:13BigBambiApart from them being recreated when you run the OF, there is no issue
14:26:25jac0b|wI deleted the content folder and some files on hte main partition
14:26:31LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: I tried replacing them with dummy files, and that's when it freaked out and wiped my drive.
14:26:43BigBambiLambdaCalculus37: Coincidence I think
14:26:58BigBambiI have deleted them all with no problems many times
14:27:18LambdaCalculus37I'll probably wait until the port's complete and we don't have to dual-boot anymore.
14:27:24jac0b|wso you can delete all the files
14:27:28BigBambiI have done
14:27:41BigBambiWell, not all - depends what partition you are talking about
14:27:52jac0b|wthe main partition
14:27:56LambdaCalculus37Not the firmware partition.
14:27:58BigBambiBut LambdaCalculus37 seems to have had trouble with it, so maybe they are different
14:28:18LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: The MediaLibrary*.edb files in the storage partition.
14:28:29BigBambijac0b|w: Yes, I deleted all files from the main partition
14:28:33jac0b|wyeah I deleted that file
14:28:40BigBambiLambdaCalculus37: yeah, all that crap + whatever else was there
14:28:46LambdaCalculus37I replaced them with dummy files exactly 0 bytes long, and when I went to charge the S, that's when it flipped out.
14:28:58LambdaCalculus37I threw the "Content" folder out.
14:29:13BigBambiWell, as I say, I deleted all of them with no issues
14:29:25BigBambiMaybe the dummy files is the issue
14:29:33GodEaterI've also deleted them all with no issues
14:29:36jac0b|wI just recovered it back to the OF, I'm going to wait for it to supported
14:30:21BigBambiI wonder how jhMikeS is doing with power management
14:30:31BigBambiI also wonder where jhMikeS is :)
14:30:52jac0b|wis the EQ working
14:31:00LambdaCalculus37It seems that he's still around somewhere, because I've seen recent comments by him in Flyspray.
14:31:04BigBambijac0b|w: software maybe
14:31:19BigBambijac0b|w: But seriously - it isn't finished, it isn't supported
14:31:35BigBambiIt really isn't ready for end user use yet
14:31:51jac0b|wyeah I noticed that last nite
14:32:03LambdaCalculus37Especially since we haven't got a simpler install method, and like BigBambi said, no manual, etc...
14:32:22BigBambiLambdaCalculus37: Well, sendfirm works on windows now, so the install isn't too bad
14:32:42jac0b|wyeah the install wasn't that hard
14:33:37jac0b|wis it always going to show both partitions when connected
14:33:50BigBambijac0b|w: That hasn't been decided
14:33:51GodEaterjac0b|w: can I ask how you've recovered it back to the OF ?
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14:34:56jac0b|wI added files from this to the firmware partition
14:35:25jac0b|whe has a recovery program
14:35:36GodEaterah Zunepet
14:35:48jac0b|wbut the program didn't work so I added them manually
14:35:53BigBambijac0b|w: I think the question was more getting at where did you get the OF from
14:35:59GodEaterdamn, thought someone had found where to get them from legally
14:36:20BigBambiWe can send it using sendfirm, the problem is there is no proper source of the OF itself
14:36:34BigBambiGodEater: would be nice
14:36:44jac0b|wwhat do you mean "proper"
14:36:50BigBambinot illegal
14:37:08GodEaterwell there is - we can get people to pull the harddrive out of their S before they do the RB install
14:37:13GodEaterbut it's not exactly user friendly
14:37:16BigBambiwell, yes
14:37:34BigBambiBut having to buy a caddy and dismantle your player puts the install back to hard :)
14:37:54jac0b|wyes that would
14:38:00BigBambiStill, once charging is there the only disadvantage will be no uninstall
14:38:28BigBambiNot that (IMO) that is a disadvantage of course
14:38:29GodEaterand no FM radio ;)
14:38:43GodEaternot that it works very well mind you
14:38:45BigBambitrue, but that is fixable :)
14:38:50BigBambiI've never tried
14:39:14GodEaterum "diabolically bad" would be my review
14:39:36GodEaterI'm on the top floor of an eleven storey building, and I get no reception at all
14:39:40BigBambiI'd rate the whole OF as "diabolically bad" :)
14:39:51LambdaCalculus37Second. :)
14:39:54jac0b|wI don't use the radio anymore anyways
14:40:05jac0b|wso I don't care about that
14:40:16GodEateryou may not, but other people might
14:40:38jac0b|wyes that is true
14:42:11LambdaCalculus37There's probably going to be people who want TV out as well.
14:42:34jac0b|wthat isn't work either?
14:44:43BigBambiTV out would be quite nice :)
14:45:21*LambdaCalculus37 wouldn't mind having TV out, as he can drop a few movies onto his beast and watch them on a nice big screen
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16:50:03Danzhas anyone here ever purchased a system from ? I'm looking at getting a new system through them because their prices are really great
16:50:53LambdaCalculus37Danz: This channel is about Rockbox.
16:51:06LambdaCalculus37This is not a general computer help channel.
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17:27:14GodEaterI think you can, I think you just have to say *which* patches, and ideally, provide a working build which includes them.
17:27:31jac0b|wokay thanks
17:27:42jac0b|wI am updating my themes that are in the graveyard
17:28:41GodEaterand licensing them too I hope ;)
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17:33:45jac0b|wwhat if I am using images taken from another theme?
17:34:22jac0b|wI have adapted the escape pod theme for the ipod to be used on the gigabeat
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17:35:33LambdaCalculus37What license was the original theme under?
17:35:59jac0b|wit seems that was taken from another theme
17:36:15jac0b|wit uses the GPL
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17:40:08jac0b|wis that okay?
17:40:44*LambdaCalculus37 asks Stallman
17:41:01LambdaCalculus37Stallman approves. ;)
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18:19:44JTHarbinI mean i knew it was about rockbox but, i dont know what rockbox is.
18:21:27JTHarbinReason why i ask is im mobile, and cant just close windows to go to the site
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18:47:36ZambeziI just have Ipod mini 2g with 4 GB and now I'm looking for another and it might be an old iPod Video 80 GB, but it's called Classic on the site (and video Pricerunner). I'm not sure I would like to take a chance if Rockbox won't work for Classic in the future.
18:49:18ZambeziCause iPod Classic 160 GB isn't that much more expensive and it would be lovely to have Rockbox on it.
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19:02:16ender`Zacam: rockbox doesn't work on classic
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19:12:18Zambeziender`: I know. That's why I'm unsure, but my question was more like: Will it work in the future or if I should stick to 80 GB 5.5 gen.
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19:18:02BigBambiZambezi: Not remotely son, if ever
19:19:17ZambeziBigBambi: Sounds like I have to look for 60 GB then so I know I won't get a Classic. I've been using Linux for over two years so opensource is my way to go. :-)
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19:21:11LambdaCalculus37You can buy a 5.5G 80GB; Rockbox works with them.
19:21:20LambdaCalculus37Just don't buy a new Classic.
19:24:59ZambeziLambdaCalculus37: The problem is to know you're getting a 5.5G and not a classic. I'm going to buy over internet, but not now. So I have to look later.
19:27:41ChrononZambezi, the serial number should tell you. Also, the Classic has a rounded metallic (anodized) front surface. The 5.5g has a plastic front surface.
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19:29:10LambdaCalculus37If there's a picture of the user interface as well, that'll be a sure sign of a Classic or a video.
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19:54:53SXIIIwant to contribute in translating rockbox to russian :) some parts still aren't translated... can someone give me reccomendations? :)
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19:56:18BagderSXIII: yes, get the lang file and edit it to become better, then post your patch!
19:56:26bertrikrasher has a webbased tool to help translations, I think you should use that and post it in the tracker">
19:57:31SXIIIoh.. thanks, now i'll have a look :)
19:58:39LambdaCalculus37SXIII: Are you a native Russian speaker?
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20:05:59bertrikweird, the sansa c200 battery discharge curve starts below the shutoff voltage
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20:11:25pixelmaSXIII: the LangFiles wiki page could be helpful too
20:14:14SXIIILambda: yes
20:14:16SXIIInative :)
20:14:27pixelmathough I guess rasher's tool is easier
20:14:53SXIIIjust received the .diff file :)
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20:18:20SXIIIpfff... something with tracker. can't log in
20:18:26SXIIIFatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 35 bytes) in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/adodb/ on line 2859
20:19:38LambdaCalculus37Keep the diff for now, and try Flyspray again later.
20:27:30SXIIIworks... mm.. posted... is that okay? :)
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20:30:02LambdaCalculus37Looks good.
20:30:11LambdaCalculus37There are a couple of things you should fix, though.
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20:32:30LambdaCalculus37A string that says something like "PLAY = Set" only needs "Set" changed. PLAY is the button to press, and is usually labeled as such on a DAP.
20:32:39LambdaCalculus37So to prevent confusion, button names are left along.
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20:34:07SXIIIyep, but i just looked in other already translated stuff and there was a letter PLAY already translated...
20:34:26SXIIIprobably if I would translate all the .lang file from 0 i would leave PLAY as is :)
20:36:45rasherLambdaCalculus37: How many DAPs actually have the function spelled out, rather than just a symbol?
20:37:41LambdaCalculus37rasher: Point taken.
20:39:28linuxstbrasher: So do you normally translate button descriptions like "play" ?
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20:42:52SXIIIin my opinion, there are no diff between lefting things like PLAY on english or translating it to some lang -> because it will be anyway understood by the user :D
20:43:40rasherlinuxstb: I believe I've done so in the Danish translation. On the basis that a non-english speaker will would know "this is the play button", without knowing the English word for play
20:43:51LloreanWell, in my opinion if you translate it, it will always be understood. If you do not translate it, there is some small chance it won't be, especially if the language is then being used to generate voice.
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20:44:39linuxstbrasher: I agree, I just haven't noticed it in translations (but I don't really look at lang files much)
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20:45:23rasherlinuxstb: I haven't checked what other translations do.
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20:45:45pixelmainteresting, I think I remember that there was some discussion somewhen and there the consensus was more in the lines of not translating those would be better
20:46:23linuxstbLear: I looked at those ape files this morning - the two 3.99 files that crash Rockbox near the end decode perfectly with the standalone "demac" program (also in SVN, using the same decoding code). I haven't investigated further though...
20:47:09ImaginalI am still having issues getting "recently added" to work. Llorean and I were working on this yesterday, and I've been unable to locate any metadata issues with my audio. Am I missing something?
20:47:57robin0800bertrik,charging on c200 even with the patch won't work will it?
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20:49:08LloreanImaginal: You've tested all your files and tested with files that work for other people?
20:51:08pixelmaI think it's a matter of how common it is to translate these button names in general (what manufacturers of cd or video players or whatever do)
20:51:21ImaginalLlorean: I started by installing the newest (at the time) build of rockbox, cleared all other files, and tried adding 1 audio file several times. One of which is a very popular mp3 podcast, which I'm sure other people can use. Still, no dice
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20:52:31ImaginalIn theory, going from an empty device to just one file that works should show results, right?
20:52:44LloreanImaginal: Okay, so you did the steps in this order: Deleted your .rockbox folder, installed new Rockbox build, enabled gather runtime data, put one episode of the podcast on, initialized database, rebooted, put second different episode on, updated, checked database?
20:53:18LloreanAnd you're sure this podcast doesn't contain any extra metadata beyond tags the database uses?
20:53:19bertrikrobin0800, it will probably charge, but the patch is still quite crude
20:54:52ImaginalYes indeed. They both show up in other database functions. And the tags appear normal and basic
20:55:21LloreanImaginal: I asked a very explicit question. Not whether they appear normal.
20:55:34LloreanPlease, try to answer the questions I've asked clearly and explicitly so that I know we're on the exact same page.
20:57:40LloreanYes you checked and verified there are no other tags beyond those the database makes use of, yes you did the steps in the order I specified and only those steps, or yes you will answer questions explicitly?
21:01:31ImaginalLlorean: What is the best way for me to get this problem solved? I would rather not battle symantics with every line I type. Obviously, I am not communicating clearly enough for you, but I am trying and have been trying for the last 2 conversations
21:02:17rasherpixelma: manufacturers notoriously translate as little as possible - at least in Danish. I don't think that means we should do the same
21:02:25ImaginalYes, the tags are normal, and you can check yourself if you wish from the podcast
21:02:40ImaginalYes, I did those steps in order
21:02:57ImaginalYes, I will answer as explicitly as possible
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21:03:02LloreanImaginal: You said you tried it with just one file, though.
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21:03:52LloreanImaginal: I'm confused because as far as I can tell you seem to want to do as little testing as possible then offload it to being "something must be wrong with Rockbox." You said you "assume" the tags are normal, which is not inline with having verified them in a tag editor.
21:03:54ImaginalLlorean: I tried it after one file. Then I added another file, updated the database
21:04:11LloreanThe reason I'm asking for explicit answers is because you seem to be telling me contradictory things.
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21:04:43ImaginalLlorean: I have tested the tags of the specified podcasts using mp3tag in windows and ex falso in linux
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21:04:55LloreanImaginal: What does "tested" the tags mean?
21:05:13pixelmarasher: people will understand what they are used too. In case of German I could even imagaine that translating could couse some confusion or at least will sound very strange. (I'm usually all for translating as much as possible but not if things don't sound "natural" anymore)
21:05:45rasherpixelma: It's not like people actually read manuals anyway
21:05:57ImaginalLlorean: In ex falso, there are 6 tags. title, artist, album, comment, date, and genre. The comment tag is ""
21:05:59LloreanImaginal: Here's the deal, as simple as I can put it: You are the only person experiencing this problem at this time. Until such time as you determine what's causing it, nobody can help you with it, merely suggest ways for you to investigate it.
21:06:19ImaginalI understand
21:06:32LloreanYou seem to want to do the bare minimum of tests, then come back and ask for more help
21:06:35pixelmarasher: maybe, but they'll seee "ffwd/rew" or somesuch on the device
21:06:43LloreanYou really need to see if you can find any files of yours that DO work.
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21:07:04rasherpixelma: I think there's a stronger connection to "what this button does" than "what some devices call this button"
21:08:22LloreanImaginal: I suggested you test all of your files yesterday because as long as we're merely in a "it doesn't work" loop without any more information added, all anyone can really do is say "Well, what more can you tell me?"
21:09:43ImaginalLlorean: I understand. Aside from metadata, what could be causing this?
21:10:43LloreanFrankly that's the only thing that could reasonably cause this, that's why I keep coming back to "please continue testing your files"
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21:11:16LearImaginal: Last I checked, the MP3 version of Twit included cover art. Don't think that should cause problems...
21:11:26pixelmarasher: I wouldn't know how to
21:11:50pixelmain a way that it is understood
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21:11:55ImaginalUsing the same logic, if a file works on someone elses device, and not on mine, could it be the something other than the file?
21:12:25rasherpixelma: I'm not really arguing that any of the existing translations should be changed, just laying out the reasons why I did it for Danish.
21:13:13ImaginalLear: It doesn't seem to be showing up in mp3tag, but you could be correct
21:13:26rasherpixelma: There's no real reason that translations should need to be consistent in what they translate. Users aren't going to use more than one translation anyway.
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21:13:51rasherSo I have no problem with different policies for the various translations
21:13:53LearImaginal: Also, which version do you download, more exactly. I.e, iTunes or something else (there are different RSS feeds).
21:15:31pixelmaI understand that (I'd prefer that too for German, the "but" laid out above). And if it works well in a language it's nice. So I guess it's just that there can't be a general rule...
21:15:49pixelma^ rasher
21:15:51ImaginalLear: specifically,
21:16:03ImaginalFrom the website
21:19:32amiconnrasher: I think it makes sense to translate button names if it doesn't sound too strange and the name isn't printed onto the button
21:19:51amiconnI.e. I wouldn't translate 'NAVI' on H300 for any language
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21:21:11LearImaginal: Same as I just downloaded then, and that one contains cover art. But Rockbox reads the metadata just fine, so that shouldn't be the reason for the database problem at least...
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21:23:42ImaginalLear: Thank you.
21:24:49ImaginalWould the way I move music to the ipod matter? I'm just using nautilis to drag and drop into the root directory
21:25:04LambdaCalculus37That works just fine.
21:25:31LambdaCalculus37I think very few of us actually still use iTunes after installing Rockbox on an iPod.
21:25:45LloreanLear: AFAIK embedded cover art has still been known to cause database problems from time to time.
21:26:05LloreanThere are at least still people who've reported stripping it has fixed database issues.
21:26:42amiconnLlorean: I wonder why... and imho that bug should be fixed
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21:28:30ImaginalRockbox doesn't require a certain version of the original apple os, does it?
21:28:42LambdaCalculus37AFAIK, no.
21:30:17Lloreanamiconn: I have no clue, just going on "what fixes things for people" and it seems to be pretty clear large unsupported tags (art, large comments) can still trip up database.
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21:36:10LearLlorean: Maybe, but in this case the tag was read properly. All the expected data was shown in the ID3 screen and in the WPS.
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21:39:33LearLlorean: Large tags can cause problems for Vorbis tags, since Rockbox only reads the first comment page (which often means the first 4-8 kB or so).
21:47:13Haos32Hello. I my player is based on rockchip which can run rkp games. Using RockChip Game Disassembler I got a full list of any possible commands. I meen the hex view of this commands. Could anybody help to make assembler compiler or give any other help? It seem to me that these lists have almost all commands from rockchip datasheet.
21:49:25Haos32May be as a result I can be able to make a version of rockbox for this and other players like TecLast C260
21:53:35bertrikI think you're welcome to start a port, it's a lot of work though. Probably the best way to start is to collect as much information as possible about a specific player, what processor it has, codec, RTC chips, RAM/flash chips, tuner chips, etc.
21:54:47bertrikIt's basically impossible for someone to develop a rockbox port on a device that he/she doesn't have personally
21:55:05Haos32I understand...
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22:25:18rasherpixelma: New translations should now always mirror the english.lang where it's empty or none
22:25:24rasher(if based on my tool)
22:26:38rasherThis does make it slightly harder for the translator, as it might overwrite an existing translation that would otherwise be available for copy-pasting, but it seems translators aren't good at catching this
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22:54:47pixelmarasher: I wonder which option is the better one..
22:59:08rasherpixelma: This way is slightly more inconvenient for the translator, in certain cases, but the result will be better
23:01:11pixelmahmm, yes. Later fixes are annoying too just for someone else
23:02:32rasherAnd it's only really a problem in the case where the * target gets changed to "" or none, and another target is added. (because the previous translation won't be shown)
23:02:36*petur wonders how to fix the 'remote disabled' feature in the rec screen
23:03:13peturreal translators use genlang anyway :P
23:04:32rasherNot going to change that. Hopefully genlang translators are slightly more awake
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23:10:59peturany viewport gurus around?
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23:33:58ZambeziI'm going to install Rockbox this week, but I'm thinking about measuring original firmware first and then with Rockbox. But should I measure with just orignal, then Rockbox and then orignal again to see if there a difference?
23:34:19ZambeziRuntime then. I forgot to make that clear.
23:34:42peturthe presence or rockbox should have no influence on the original firmware
23:35:33*petur kicks JdGordon awake
23:35:56ZambeziI assume so, but I would be cool to know just for sure.
23:36:06pixelmaZambezi: on what player?
23:36:27Zambezipixelma: iPod Mini 2gen. Last added time is like a year old.
23:39:02pixelmawas just asking because on a few players the original firmware is not available when Rockbox is installed (the Ipods all dual boot though). I also can't imagine a difference in the original firmware with or without Rockbox there then
23:39:44peturoh bugger.. there seems to be no way to update a list on a specific screen, all update routines are gui_syncXXX :(
23:42:08LearBut doesn't the sync functions just loop over all screens? I.e., just call the specific function directly?
23:42:19Zambezipixelma: Me neither, but it's worth a shot. The problem is I don't know a good way to meassure the time automaticly. I need to be there when it ends.
23:42:48peturLear: not in the case of gui_synclist_draw()
23:43:03pixelmaZambezi: you could record the output with another device
23:43:41pixelmae.g. your computer
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23:44:41Zambezipixelma: Good idea. I need to do some reading first though what I need to install.
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23:55:47Strife89Quick question: if I update my copy of the sources (through SVN), do I have to create a new makefile (i.e., run /tools/configure)? Or can I just make clean and make an up-to-date build straight away?
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23:56:21stripwaxcan usually just make
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23:56:57Strife89Alrighty, then. Thanks.
23:57:00stripwaxdon't usually need to make clean
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